[Users] Users Digest, Vol 75, Issue 24

Mon Nov 27 00:26:03 CET 2017

Hi Paul,

> I consider 'Quick Search' to be a "proper search functionality".

When I launch the "Quick Search" item from the edit menu, nothing happens. However, I noticed that there are two search functionalities in Claws. One is the "Search Folder" functionality from the Edit menu (that pops up a selection-screen window) and one is the search field between the message list and the preview pane. I suppose you mean the latter, and the menu item does nothing because the search field is already there in the main window, awaiting input.

Yes, I tried that as well. But still you have a dropdown there where you are - once again - required to select where to search. The most general item in the dropdown is "From/To/Cc/Subject/Tag" - but that means it only searches the header, not the message body. In fact, none of the dropdown items includes the message body. In other words, Quick Search is incapable to search in the most important part of the messages: the body. If there was a "From/To/Cc/Subject/Tag/Message Body" option that covers all folders (not only the currently selected one), I would be happy.

And please, don't argue with the "Extended" option where you can enter regular expressions that may or may not be capable of searching the message body as well. Having to learn the syntax of regular expressions and being required to construct and enter such a thing in order to search for a simply keyword in all parts of all messages is pretty much the opposite of usability.

Regards,

Jens

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 22:07:31 +0100
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> Subject: Re: [Users] Implementing proper search functionality
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> I consider 'Quick Search' to be a "proper search functionality". It's
> method for displaying results does not quite match what you want, but
> OTOH it can do a lot of the stuff which you complain about as being
> missing.
> 
> For example, Quick Search can do a recursive search through all
> folders, if you start at the root folder. In its Extended mode you can
> search in complete messages. Folders with matching messages are
> indicated.
> 
> Did you know about Quick Search's Extended Mode? For some info about
> it, see the "5. Quick Search with extended search" section here:
> http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=blob_plain;f=README;hb=HEAD
> 
> regards
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:47:25 +0100
> From: Jens Petersen <xyzxyz123 at freenet.de>
> To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
> Subject: [Users] mairix and recoll
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> Thank you for the suggestions. However, I am using Claws for Windows, so integrating external tools (other than the few that have been ported and come with Claws) does not seem like an option.
> 
> Generally, I agree with Paul that this is such a basic and important functionality that it should be native. IMHO the search functionality that is there, with the search window where you can specify all sorts of useless restrictions and then heeding these, was harder to implement than a basic "search through all".
> 
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> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:00:01 +0100
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> > Hello everyone,
> > 
> > I wanted to ask  whether there are any plans to implement a proper hassle-free text search functionality for emails. Right now, when I search for some text, Claws is asking me where to search for it. That is not a feasible approach, IMHO. When I want to search through my emails for a keyword, I do not want to enter a specific folger or part of the email. I want to search through ALL emails in ALL folders (including SENT folder) in BOTH header and body, and want to get a list of all emails in which the keyword was found so I can browse them. Plain text searches are so easy and fast that even Calypso email from 1996 on correspondingly ancient hardware could do it in no time, so I wonder why Claws needs to bother me with detailed questions where to search for my keyword. I specify a folder, no that wasn't it. Another folder, still nothing. Was it in the header or in the body? Try one, then the other.
> > 
> > IMHO users should not need to bother about this 19 years after the first email program was released that covered it all without discussion (provided there weren't ones that could do that even prior to Calypso).
> > 
> > So, please, could you make the search restrictions optional (in case anyone really wants them) and add a quick "search for keyword(s) in all folders, in both subjects and email bodies, and list all emails that contain a match" option?
> > 
> > Thank you in advance,
> > 
> > Jens
> > 
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> > From: Charles Curley <charlescurley at charlescurley.com>
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> > Subject: Re: [Users] Implementing proper search functionality
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> > On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 20:55:23 +0100
> > Jens Petersen <xyzxyz123 at freenet.de> wrote:
> >   
> > > I wanted to ask  whether there are any plans to implement a proper
> > > hassle-free text search functionality for emails.    
> > 
> > You might look into mairix. Search on "mairix" in the archives for
> > several approaches to integrating it into Claws-Mail.
> >   
> 
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> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:56:30 +0000
> From: Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk>
> To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
> Subject: Re: [Users] mairix and recoll
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> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:47:25 +0100
> Jens Petersen <xyzxyz123 at freenet.de> wrote: 
> 
> > Generally, I agree with Paul that this is such a basic and
> > important functionality that it should be native.  
> 
> Err... sounds like you misunderstood me.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
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> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:08:03 +0100
> From: wwp <subscript at free.fr>
> To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
> Subject: Re: [Users] mairix and recoll
> Message-ID: <20171126190803.2a40d7d1 at ladybug>
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> Hello Paul,
> 
> 
> On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:56:30 +0000 Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:47:25 +0100
> > Jens Petersen <xyzxyz123 at freenet.de> wrote: 
> >   
> > > Generally, I agree with Paul that this is such a basic and
> > > important functionality that it should be native.    
> > 
> > Err... sounds like you misunderstood me.  
> 
> Anyway, what about pushing the vfolder thing again? Way better than
> mairix (I used mairix for a while here, it's not really user-friendly).
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 