[Users] Claws-Mail configuration problems following upgrade to Mint 21.3

[Gil Weber]

On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 01:30:00 +0800
Bret Busby <bret at busby.net> wrote:

> On 27/3/24 23:44, Gil Weber wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 06:51:29 +0800
> > Bret Busby <bret at busby.net> wrote:
> >   
> >> On 27/3/24 04:32, Gil Weber wrote:  
> >>> Hello. I am running Claws-Mail 4.1.1. Two days ago I upgraded from
> >>> Mint 20.3 to 21.3 following all the online instructions from Mint.
> >>> Ended up with some issues for Claws-Mail. And I'm hoping the gurus
> >>> here can help.  
> >>
> >> Hello.
> >>
> >> I am wondering from whence, you got Claws Mail 4.1.1 .
> >>
> >> I installed Claws Mail, when I first installed Linux Mint (I
> >> believe it was 21,0).
> >>
> >> On the particular computer on which I use Claws mail,  I
> >> inadvertently upgraded Linux Mint to 21.3 - I am running 21.0 and
> >> 21.2 on my two main other computers - I won't upgrade the OS on
> >> them, to a later version, because  the version upgrades involve
> >> downgrading Thunderbird to the trojan horse version. The earlier
> >> OS versions are running Thunderbird 104.x, from before mozilla
> >> sabotaged thunderbird and turned it trojan horse.
> >>
> >> On the Linux Mint 21.3 installation, which is up to date, I have
> >> Claws Mail 4.0.0 .
> >>
> >> So, I am wondering how you have Claws Mail 4.1.1 on Linux Mint
> >> 21.3; a later version than I have on my updated system.
> >>
> >> ...
> >> Bret Busby
> >> Armadale
> >> Western Australia
> >> (UTC+0800)  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hello, Bret. It's a bit of a strange story so bear with me please.
> > 
> > When I was running Mint 20.2 I would always look at the updates that
> > popped up in the Update Manager and individually decide what I
> > wanted to add and WHEN. For example, I typically would not
> > immediately update the kernel for a few days just in case someone
> > found a problem and that kernel was quickly corrected.
> > 
> > Of course this required a reboot. Not a big deal in my experience.
> > And it allowed me to keep track of kernels and remove old ones.
> > 
> > Well around end of October last year I discovered quite by accident
> > that I was no longer being given the option to choose what and when
> > to update. Instead the system was automatically updating without my
> > knowledge. Yikes!
> > 
> > My good friend who knows Linux told me he had also just noticed
> > the same and discovered that:
> > 
> > The Update Manager>Edit>Preferences>Automation Tab was turned on to
> > "Apply updates automatically."
> > 
> > Further, "Remove obsolete kernels and dependencies" under "Automatic
> > Maintenance" was also turned on.
> > 
> > Well, neither he nor I ever knowingly turned either of those on.
> > Somehow the system was now automatically updating.
> > 
> > So I turned both to the "off" position.
> > 
> > About the same time Claws-Mail which had for years been the "native"
> >   v3.17.5 suddenly became v4.1.1
> > 
> > I did not knowingly do this update. The system just did it.
> > 
> > So it seems (?) as if the Mint developers may have initiated an
> > automatic update system by default. My friend wrote to me that:
> >   
> >> "Rebooting" after kernel updates might be becoming a thing of the
> >> past, by the way. My understanding is this behavior is considered
> >> an anachronism and the engineers have been working their way
> >> towards implementing a seamless "update and resume" capability.  
> > 
> > Again to clarify, this update to Claws-Mail v4.1.1 occurred while I
> > was running Mint 20.2 and it came over in the update to 20.3 and
> > then 21.1.
> > 
> > Now, does any of that give you an indication as to why I have v4.1.1
> > after an upgrade that occurred while using Mint 20.2 and you can
> > only see v4.0.0 with a much more recent version of Mint?
> > 
> > Hope this helps or allows another participant to jump on the answer
> > with additional helpful information.
> > Gil
> > Florida USA  
> 
> Hello.
> 
> Whilst this is getting a bit digressed from the Claws Mail aspect
> (other than, on my 21.3 computers (I have my primary computer running
> 21.3, and, my other computer that runs 21.3, I do full system
> upgrades when I have to, for the kernel, which I put off upgrading,
> until I get a system crash, which requires system rebooting) on my
> primary computer, being, as I previously said, is up to date, that
> computer has Claws Mail 4,0.0 installed), the question of why and
> how, you have Claws Mail 4.1.1 installed, should probably be resolved.
> 
> I have just checked, on my Linux Mint Mate 21.3 computer, and,
> synaptic shows the latest available version of Claws Mail, as being
> 4.0.0-3 . That is in the Ubuntu 22.04 repository (the only standard
> system software, that comes from other than the Ubuntu repository, is
> Firefox, which Linux Mint sources from its own repository, avoiding
> the snap stuff, that turned a number of people, away from Ubuntu
> Linux).
> 
> I have other web browsers, also installed - Vivaldi, SeaMonkey, and
> Pale Moon, each of which, use their own repositories.
> 
> In my performing updates, I generally use the Update Manager (which
> may be a part of the Mate Desktop Environment; I am not sure), unless
> I am updating the kernel, in which case, I do it using four
> consecutive command line commands (as superuser). One of those
> commands, removes redundant kernel versions and their associated
> packages.
> 
> But, I have not encountered automated system upgrades in using Linux 
> Mint - automated system upgrades, and snap stuff, are reasons that I 
> switched from Ubuntu Linux, to Linux Mint. And, I use Linux Mint
> Mate, with my deprecated theme, to have the interface that I had,
> with gnome 2 
> - I regard Ubuntu Mate 16.04.x,as the latest stable and usable
> version of Ubuntu Linux .
> 
> So, I assume that your having encountered automated system upgrades, 
> and, the changes to the interface for Claws Mail, and, the different 
> version number that you acquired in Claws Mail, is likely, something
> to do with your using Cinnamon, instead of Mate.
> 
> If you download, install, and, run, neofetch, and the command line,
> what does that show as your version of Linux Mint? I am wondering
> whether, with the version that you have, of Claws Mail, and, in the
> context of what you have posted so far, you might have something
> other than Linux Mint 21.3 stable.
> 
> I understand, regarding what your friend told you, about "rebooting 
> after a kernel upgrade, being a thing of the past", that the
> elimination of booting after a kernel upgrade, may be available to
> paid Ubuntu subscription customers.
> 
> ...
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> Western Australia
> (UTC+0800)


Bret, please see attached screenshot. It says 21.3
Gil
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