From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov  1 11:30:38 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 10:30:38 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4109] core dump on create folder
In-Reply-To: <bug-4109-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4109-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4109-595-DRXrDo7hfu@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4109

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
this is not a claws-mail bug, but something outside of claws-mail. If you think
differently, get a backtrace and re-open. Thanks.

https://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Debugging_Claws

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov  1 12:31:11 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 11:31:11 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4108] Page preview appears beyond page border at zoom
	> 100%
In-Reply-To: <bug-4108-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4108-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4108-595-0ctHPYbSLL@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4108

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
That's not a bug, that's the preview showing you that the scale you've selected
is too large.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov  1 13:51:41 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 12:51:41 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4105] Selected text becomes invisible upon swithing to
 another UI section
In-Reply-To: <bug-4105-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4105-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4105-595-ClMluJisMM@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4105

Removed after GDPR request <removed-gdpr at example.com> changed:

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             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
         Resolution|WORKSFORME                  |---

--- Comment #3 from Removed after GDPR request <removed-gdpr at example.com> ---
Tested in XFCE too - same behavior as reported initially. However in XFCE I
have found no workaround (like in KDE).

Could you please have another look?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov  1 14:09:47 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 13:09:47 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4105] Selected text becomes invisible upon swithing to
 another UI section
In-Reply-To: <bug-4105-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4105-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4105-595-tvG4QykF7R@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4105

Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> changed:

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             Status|REOPENED                    |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #4 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
We don't do anything specific with the appearance of selected text, so if
there's a bug, it's either in GTK+ or in the theme engine you are using.

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov  1 14:20:12 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 13:20:12 -0000
Subject: [Users] wrapping on open
In-Reply-To: <20181028134611.2aaf3377@jasniac.instanton>
References: <20181028134611.2aaf3377@jasniac.instanton>
Message-ID: <20181101132012.6b444ddb@localhost>

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 13:46:11 +0100
Marco van Hulten <marco at hulten.org> wrote: 

> When I go to Configuration -> Preferences -> Compose/Wrapping, and I
> deselect all options there (especially Auto wrapping, Wrap
> quotation, Wrap pasted text), I expect there to be no wrapping.
> 
> However, when I open an e-mail with long lines from my Sent folder,
> the lines are wrapped.  Is this a bug?

Claws Mail uses special headers internally, so when you re-edit it
uses the settings which were used when the message was sent. These
include the auto-wrap setting you used when you sent the message.

with regards

Paul


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov  1 14:33:52 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 13:33:52 -0000
Subject: [Users] claws-mail 3.17.1 and selective mail download
In-Reply-To: <5BD9AFAA.23718.3EBB5E@sawbona.gmx.net>
References: <5BD9AFAA.23718.3EBB5E@sawbona.gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20181101133352.216cc280@localhost>

On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 10:35:38 -0300
sawbona at gmx.net wrote: 

> As Claws was in it's origins a fork of Sylpheed and although it is 
> not mentioned in the FAQ or user manual, I was wondering if 
> 'selective mail download' was/would/could be (eventually) available 
> as a feature or maybe a plugin.

Selective download was never in sylpheed, iirc, but it was in
Sylpheed-Claws many years ago, but was dropped by the time we
switched from gtk1 to gtk2, and has never reappeared (and is not
likely to).

The nearest thing to it would be to set a 'Receive size limit' on the
Receive page of the account preferences. Messages which have been
partially retrieved will show a button when opened, allowing you to
download the message in full.

with regards

Paul


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov  1 14:38:13 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 13:38:13 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4105] Selected text becomes invisible upon swithing to
 another UI section
In-Reply-To: <bug-4105-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4105-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4105-595-tUg80xt41R@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4105

--- Comment #5 from Removed after GDPR request <removed-gdpr at example.com> ---
I have tested on 2 different computers, using 2 different desktop environments
and it happens on both, so I am not quite sure what else to check.

Which GTK+ version and theme engine work for you, in which you don't see the
issue?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov  1 15:20:09 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 14:20:09 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4105] Selected text becomes invisible upon swithing to
 another UI section
In-Reply-To: <bug-4105-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4105-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4105-595-uqT8HLYISG@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4105

--- Comment #6 from Michal Suchánek <msuchanek at suse.de> ---
How is this specific to claws?

Some themes are just broken. If you can find difference in behavior between
claws and other GTK applications that might be a bug in claws. However, theme
not working is most likely theme bug.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov  2 11:48:11 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2018 10:48:11 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4111] New: "Highlight all matches" in
	MessageSearchWindow
Message-ID: <bug-4111-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4111

            Bug ID: 4111
           Summary: "Highlight all matches" in MessageSearchWindow
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: other
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message View
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: rep.dot.nop at gmail.com

Hi!

It would be nice to have an option (maybe checkbox) to highlight all matches in
the MessageSearchWindow.

gtk seems to support this by means of tags in the text; See
gtk_text_buffer_apply_tag_by_name()

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov  2 11:51:47 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2018 10:51:47 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4112] New: Support Regular Expression search in
	message text
Message-ID: <bug-4112-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4112

            Bug ID: 4112
           Summary: Support Regular Expression search in message text
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: other
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message View
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: rep.dot.nop at gmail.com

Hi!

It would be awesome to be able to search by means of a regex in a message.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov  2 12:16:35 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2018 11:16:35 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4113] New: Add option to never mark mails read
Message-ID: <bug-4113-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4113

            Bug ID: 4113
           Summary: Add option to never mark mails read
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: other
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: rep.dot.nop at gmail.com

Created attachment 1930
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v4

Certain workflows require not to automatically mark mails as read; Not when
viewing and also not when replying.

This patch adds an option to turn off all such automatically marking as read.

Also, in the preferences, change the hbox title from "Mark message as read" to
"Automatically mark message as read" as suggested by Ticho.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov  2 12:18:47 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2018 11:18:47 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4114] New: autogen.sh: Fix argument quoting
Message-ID: <bug-4114-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4114

            Bug ID: 4114
           Summary: autogen.sh: Fix argument quoting
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: other
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: rep.dot.nop at gmail.com

Created attachment 1931
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quote $@ for proper expansion

without proper $@ expansion something this would fail:
./autogen.sh --prefix=/opt/x86_64/claws \
        CFLAGS='-O2 -pg' \
        LDFLAGS='-O1 -pg'

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov  2 12:23:55 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2018 11:23:55 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4115] New: autogen: avoid unwarranted re-configure
Message-ID: <bug-4115-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4115

            Bug ID: 4115
           Summary: autogen: avoid unwarranted re-configure
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: other
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: rep.dot.nop at gmail.com

Created attachment 1932
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prevent spurious configure upon first make after autogen.sh

libtoolize can install new m4 helpers and thus has to be run _before_
aclocal. See autoreconf(1) for the required ordering.

Alternatively you could just switch to autoreconf for simplicity.

Previously a ./autogen.sh && make erroneously did run configure upon the
make-invocation since libtool had updated some m4 and thus automake rightly
thought it has to re-build aclocal.m4.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov  2 21:18:18 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2018 20:18:18 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4116] New: Provide warnings and option to disable weak
 TLS ciphers suites
Message-ID: <bug-4116-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4116

            Bug ID: 4116
           Summary: Provide warnings and option to disable weak TLS
                    ciphers suites
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: GIT
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com

Currently Claws Mail has no feature to warn the user that a weak TLS cipher is
in use or to disable usage of weak ciphers. Having one would improve security.

Example: RSS feed https://news.opensuse.org/feed/ for which the host uses weak
ciphers only and CM shows no warning about it:

https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=news.opensuse.org&hideResults=on

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From pezcurrel at tiscali.it  Sat Nov  3 07:13:05 2018
From: pezcurrel at tiscali.it (pezcurrel)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 07:13:05 +0100
Subject: [Users] SVG theme
Message-ID: <20181103071305.46e9c25d@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>

Hi,
I've made this svg icons theme
http://rame.altervista.org/cmbasicsvg/
It's sketchy but at least it has all the icons and they're finally
properly visible on my HiDPI display.
Hope it could be useful for someone else.

Cheers


From removed-gdpr at example.com  Sat Nov  3 11:01:22 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 12:01:22 +0200
Subject: [Users] SVG theme
In-Reply-To: <20181103071305.46e9c25d@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>
References: <20181103071305.46e9c25d@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>
Message-ID: <20181103120122.72042072@localhost>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 07:13:05 +0100 pezcurrel wrote:

> Hi,
> I've made this svg icons theme
> http://rame.altervista.org/cmbasicsvg/
> It's sketchy but at least it has all the icons and
> they're finally properly visible on my HiDPI display.
> Hope it could be useful for someone else.

Looks great. Thanks for sharing!
One thing:

In KDE Plasma the icon in the tray area (next to the
clock) looks blurry, just like I have noticed with
other themes. I don't know if this is a KDE issue or
of Claws.

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From pezcurrel at tiscali.it  Sat Nov  3 12:29:26 2018
From: pezcurrel at tiscali.it (pezcurrel)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 12:29:26 +0100
Subject: [Users] SVG theme
In-Reply-To: <20181103120122.72042072@localhost>
References: <20181103071305.46e9c25d@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>
 <20181103120122.72042072@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181103122926.5b008aea@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 12:01:22 +0200 Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 07:13:05 +0100 pezcurrel wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I've made this svg icons theme
>> http://rame.altervista.org/cmbasicsvg/
>> It's sketchy but at least it has all the icons and
>> they're finally properly visible on my HiDPI display.
>> Hope it could be useful for someone else.  
>
>Looks great.

I'm glad you like it :)

>Thanks for sharing!

You're welcome :)

>One thing:
>
>In KDE Plasma the icon in the tray area (next to the
>clock) looks blurry, just like I have noticed with
>other themes. I don't know if this is a KDE issue or
>of Claws.

I don't know, here I'm using XFCE and it doesn't look blurry.

Cheers


From removed-gdpr at example.com  Sat Nov  3 12:40:42 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 13:40:42 +0200
Subject: [Users] SVG theme
In-Reply-To: <20181103122926.5b008aea@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>
References: <20181103071305.46e9c25d@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>
 <20181103120122.72042072@localhost>
 <20181103122926.5b008aea@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>
Message-ID: <20181103134042.3988be00@localhost>

> I don't know, here I'm using XFCE and it doesn't
> look blurry.

I will test that later. Thanks.

Are you open to suggestions for improvement?

Certain color combinations need improvement to make
them more "readable". Examples:

Dark red on dark green
Dark green on red
Dark green on blue
Dark green on gray
Black on brown
Dark red on gray

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From msuchanek at suse.de  Sat Nov  3 13:30:22 2018
From: msuchanek at suse.de (Michal =?UTF-8?B?U3VjaMOhbmVr?=)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 13:30:22 +0100
Subject: [Users] SVG theme
In-Reply-To: <20181103134042.3988be00@localhost>
References: <20181103071305.46e9c25d@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>
 <20181103120122.72042072@localhost>
 <20181103122926.5b008aea@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>
 <20181103134042.3988be00@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181103133022.250e615f@naga>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 13:40:42 +0200
Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com> wrote:

> > I don't know, here I'm using XFCE and it doesn't
> > look blurry.  
> 
> I will test that later. Thanks.
> 
> Are you open to suggestions for improvement?
> 
> Certain color combinations need improvement to make
> them more "readable". Examples:
> 
> Dark red on dark green
> Dark green on red
> Dark green on blue
> Dark green on gray
> Black on brown
> Dark red on gray

While at it something like

https://openclipart.org/detail/26557/check-mark

tends to be more readable than

http://rame.altervista.org/cmbasicsvg/mark.png

especially when overlaid on other icons. The reason is that with most
of the icon set rectangular due to the envelopes the slanted and curved
shape is easy to distinguish.

Also the envelopes with dark sides like this 

http://rame.altervista.org/cmbasicsvg/mark_read.png

are way too distracting as background for additional icons making them
hard to read. Using more uniform envelope like

http://rame.altervista.org/cmbasicsvg/unread.png

would be probably better.

Another nit is using pens slanted both left and right. I see no reason
why they could not be all slanted the same way.

Thanks

Michal


From pezcurrel at tiscali.it  Sat Nov  3 19:33:46 2018
From: pezcurrel at tiscali.it (pezcurrel)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:33:46 +0100
Subject: [Users] SVG theme
In-Reply-To: <20181103134042.3988be00@localhost>
References: <20181103071305.46e9c25d@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>
 <20181103120122.72042072@localhost>
 <20181103122926.5b008aea@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>
 <20181103134042.3988be00@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181103193346.7654b347@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 13:40:42 +0200 Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com>
wrote:

>Certain color combinations need improvement to make
>them more "readable". Examples:
>
>Dark red on dark green
>Dark green on red
>Dark green on blue
>Dark green on gray
>Black on brown
>Dark red on gray

Thanks for your suggestions, I tried and take them into account ;)

Cheers


From pezcurrel at tiscali.it  Sat Nov  3 19:36:19 2018
From: pezcurrel at tiscali.it (pezcurrel)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:36:19 +0100
Subject: [Users] SVG theme
In-Reply-To: <20181103133022.250e615f@naga>
References: <20181103071305.46e9c25d@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>
 <20181103120122.72042072@localhost>
 <20181103122926.5b008aea@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>
 <20181103134042.3988be00@localhost> <20181103133022.250e615f@naga>
Message-ID: <20181103193619.7c945fd2@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 13:30:22 +0100 Michal Suchánek <msuchanek at suse.de>
wrote:

>While at it something like
>
>https://openclipart.org/detail/26557/check-mark
>
>tends to be more readable than
>
>http://rame.altervista.org/cmbasicsvg/mark.png
>
>especially when overlaid on other icons. The reason is that with most
>of the icon set rectangular due to the envelopes the slanted and curved
>shape is easy to distinguish.
>
>Also the envelopes with dark sides like this 
>
>http://rame.altervista.org/cmbasicsvg/mark_read.png
>
>are way too distracting as background for additional icons making them
>hard to read. Using more uniform envelope like
>
>http://rame.altervista.org/cmbasicsvg/unread.png
>
>would be probably better.
>
>Another nit is using pens slanted both left and right. I see no reason
>why they could not be all slanted the same way.

Thanks for your suggestions too, I tried and take them into account ;)

Cheers



From rol at witbe.net  Sat Nov  3 19:57:01 2018
From: rol at witbe.net (Paul Rolland (=?UTF-8?B?44Od44O844Or44O744Ot44Op44Oz?=))
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:57:01 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
Message-ID: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>

Hello,

I've just finished upgrading from Fedora 21 to Fedora 29, and then
recompiled Claws to link to the new libraries... But fancy is not compiling
because I have no "webkit-1.0".

Anyone knows which F29 package provides webkit-1.0 ? In the meantime, I've
compiled with dillo, but I like the fancy plugin, the way to control if
external elements are loaded or not, etc...

If any Fedora user reads the list, please help ;)
I've tried the "yum whatprovides \*webkit-1.0.pc" but this is only
returning some mingw packages ;(

Thanks,
Paul
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From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Sat Nov  3 20:07:50 2018
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:07:50 +0000
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
Message-ID: <20181103190750.402a2abf@peterson.fenrir.org.uk>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:57:01 +0100
"Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン)" <rol at witbe.net> wrote:

> Anyone knows which F29 package provides webkit-1.0 ?

Yes, none, it's in the obsolete lists.

There is a fix. I used mock to rebuild the cairo libraries, you do need
to doctor the spec file and remove the bit that disables cairogl, I did
this:

#%if 0%{?fedora} > 26 || 0%{?rhel} > 7
#%global cairogl --disable-gl
#%else
%global cairogl --enable-gl
%global with_gl 1
#%endif

then created a new src rpm and rebuilt it with mock. I also altered the
version to make it slightly later than the distro version of cairo.

You can then download the webkitgtk rpms for Fedora 26 and install
them, I did this using rpm -ivh --nodeps to avoid things complaining.

Note that the reason Fedora has made webkitgtk obsolete is that it's
buggy in a security sense, so there is a risk due to installing it.

HTH.

-- 

Brian Morrison

                "I am not young enough to know everything"
                                                          Oscar Wilde


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Sat Nov  3 20:14:36 2018
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:14:36 +0000
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
Message-ID: <20181103191436.435eb614@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:57:01 +0100
"Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン)" <rol at witbe.net> wrote:

Hello Paul,

>recompiled Claws to link to the new libraries... But fancy is not
>compiling because I have no "webkit-1.0".

A quick search indicates it went away in Fed27 for security reasons.

Same applies to Debian.  It won't be in next stable, having been removed
from testing.  The reasons being a) it's old (not a crime in itself) and
b) it's unmaintained.

At this point you have four choices:

Use the dillo plugin 
Install the webkit stuff from source
Wait for fancy-plugin to be ported to webkit2
Do away with html viewer plugins altogether

Each has its own (de)merits.  The third is option depends on whether such
a move is planned.  I know nothing about that.

I could keep the old webkit packages necessary to build the fancy
plugin, but sooner or later, an update will force their removal.  So I
decided to do away with html plugins altogether (dillo looks awful) in
Claws and just open anything that absolutely must be displayed as HTML in
a browser.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Age of destruction, age of oblivion
Neuromancer - Billy Idol
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From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Sat Nov  3 20:20:49 2018
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:20:49 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
Message-ID: <20181103202049.52950dbd@utnubu>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:57:01 +0100, Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン) wrote:
>I've just finished upgrading from Fedora 21 to Fedora 29, and then
>recompiled Claws to link to the new libraries... But fancy is not
>compiling because I have no "webkit-1.0".
>
>Anyone knows which F29 package provides webkit-1.0 ? In the meantime,
>I've compiled with dillo, but I like the fancy plugin, the way to
>control if external elements are loaded or not, etc...
>
>If any Fedora user reads the list, please help ;)
>I've tried the "yum whatprovides \*webkit-1.0.pc" but this is only
>returning some mingw packages ;(

I'm not a Fedora user, however, for security reasons hopefully most
Linux distros dropped it already or will drop it as soon as possible. I
suspect that Fedora dropped it.

The distro I'm using dropped it a long, long time ago, but it's still
provided by a user repository for this distro.

If you should consider to compile it yourself, consider first to read
the pinned comments here: https://aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase/webkitgtk

An excerpt from the above link:

"Q3. Building takes too long time!

A3: WebKit is inherently big and complex. It can take up to 13.5 hours"

Anyway, while Claws 3.17.0 still is stable on Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS, it's
nearly completely unusable, when running on Arch Linux and it was
already more or less unusable several release before, either when
installing it from official repositories, as well as when building it
from git, as I do for Ubuntu.

[root at archlinux moonstudio]# systemd-nspawn -q apt -qq list claws-mail-git
claws-mail-git/now 3.17.0-1 amd64 [installed,local]
[root at archlinux moonstudio]# pacman -Q claws-mail
claws-mail 3.17.1-1

Even if I ever should have used Fancy, I wouldn't try to build it.
You better find another MUA, since soon or later Claws will be broken on
other systems, too. On my machine there are no issues on my Arch
install, when using Sylpheed or Evolution.

YMMV!

-- 
Kitty, Daisy & Lewis - The Game Is On
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6Cuo0YPlo
Kitty, Daisy & Lewis - Down On My Knees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD86aRsJ1N0
Kitty, Daisy & Lewis - Black Van
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lL--_xzNLI



From rol at witbe.net  Sat Nov  3 20:31:33 2018
From: rol at witbe.net (Paul Rolland (=?UTF-8?B?44Od44O844Or44O744Ot44Op44Oz?=))
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:31:33 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181103190750.402a2abf@peterson.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103190750.402a2abf@peterson.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20181103203133.4e1dd0a9@riri.DEF.witbe.net>

Hello,

Thanks to all of you !

I've been carefully reading your mails and the security warnings related to
webkit-1... I'll continue with Dillo (which is awful, I agree), and will
open in a browser when needed.

Thanks to all for the very prompt replies !

Best,
Paul


On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:07:50 +0000
Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:57:01 +0100
> "Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン)" <rol at witbe.net> wrote:
> 
> > Anyone knows which F29 package provides webkit-1.0 ?  
> 
> Yes, none, it's in the obsolete lists.
> 
> There is a fix. I used mock to rebuild the cairo libraries, you do need
> to doctor the spec file and remove the bit that disables cairogl, I did
> this:
> 
> #%if 0%{?fedora} > 26 || 0%{?rhel} > 7
> #%global cairogl --disable-gl
> #%else
> %global cairogl --enable-gl
> %global with_gl 1
> #%endif
> 
> then created a new src rpm and rebuilt it with mock. I also altered the
> version to make it slightly later than the distro version of cairo.
> 
> You can then download the webkitgtk rpms for Fedora 26 and install
> them, I did this using rpm -ivh --nodeps to avoid things complaining.
> 
> Note that the reason Fedora has made webkitgtk obsolete is that it's
> buggy in a security sense, so there is a risk due to installing it.
> 
> HTH.
> 


-- 

Paul Rolland                                E-Mail : rol(at)witbe.net
CTO - Witbe.net SA                          Tel. +33 (0)1 47 67 77 77
Les Collines de l'Arche                     Fax. +33 (0)1 47 67 77 99
F-92057 Paris La Defense                    RIPE : PR12-RIPE

LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulrolland
Skype    : rollandpaul

"I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's
too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10
or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you
when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?'"
--Mike Godwin, Electronic Frontier Foundation 


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From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Sat Nov  3 20:33:30 2018
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:33:30 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181103202049.52950dbd@utnubu>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103202049.52950dbd@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20181103203330.4da14871@utnubu>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:20:49 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>[root at archlinux moonstudio]# systemd-nspawn -q apt -qq list
>claws-mail-git
>claws-mail-git/now 3.17.0-1 amd64 [installed,local]
>[root at archlinux moonstudio]# pacman -Q claws-mail
>claws-mail 3.17.1-1

Oops, time to upgrade to 3.17.1 on my Ubuntu install :D. However, on
Arch, a real rolling release, I don't rely on Claws anymore. It was
unstable for <= 3.17.0 and still is for 3.17.1.

-- 
pacman -Q linux{,-rt{-securityink,-pussytoes,-cornflower,}}|cut -d\  -f2
4.19.arch1-1
4.19_rt1-0
4.18.16_rt9-1
4.18.16_rt8-1
4.18.12_rt7-1



From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov  3 20:35:14 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:35:14 -0000
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181103202049.52950dbd@utnubu>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103202049.52950dbd@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20181103193514.7003f31d@localhost>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:20:49 +0100
Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote: 

> Anyway, while Claws 3.17.0 still is stable on Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS,
> it's nearly completely unusable, when running on Arch Linux and it
> was already more or less unusable several release before, either
> when installing it from official repositories, as well as when
> building it from git, as I do for Ubuntu.

What are you talking about? This is news to me. What is the problem
with Claws Mail on Arch?

with regards

Paul


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov  3 20:41:43 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:41:43 -0000
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181103203330.4da14871@utnubu>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103202049.52950dbd@utnubu> <20181103203330.4da14871@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20181103194143.34896a0d@localhost>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:33:30 +0100
Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote: 

> Oops, time to upgrade to 3.17.1 on my Ubuntu install :D. However, on
> Arch, a real rolling release, I don't rely on Claws anymore. It was
> unstable for <= 3.17.0 and still is for 3.17.1.

What on earth are you talking about? I suspect that this is just FUD.

with regards

Paul


From ticho at claws-mail.org  Sat Nov  3 21:01:42 2018
From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:01:42 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181103193514.7003f31d@localhost>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103202049.52950dbd@utnubu>
 <20181103193514.7003f31d@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181103210142.10389739@penny>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:35:14 -0000
Paul wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:20:49 +0100
> Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote: 
> 
> > Anyway, while Claws 3.17.0 still is stable on Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS,
> > it's nearly completely unusable, when running on Arch Linux and it
> > was already more or less unusable several release before, either
> > when installing it from official repositories, as well as when
> > building it from git, as I do for Ubuntu.  
> 
> What are you talking about? This is news to me. What is the problem
> with Claws Mail on Arch?

I think it says more about Archlinux than about Claws Mail. :)

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Sat Nov  3 21:09:40 2018
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:09:40 +0000
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181103210142.10389739@penny>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103202049.52950dbd@utnubu>
 <20181103193514.7003f31d@localhost> <20181103210142.10389739@penny>
Message-ID: <20181103200940.7b28be25@peterson.fenrir.org.uk>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:01:42 +0100
Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:

> > What are you talking about? This is news to me. What is the problem
> > with Claws Mail on Arch?  
> 
> I think it says more about Archlinux than about Claws Mail. :)

Meeeeeow! ;-)

-- 

Brian Morrison

                "I am not young enough to know everything"
                                                          Oscar Wilde


From pezcurrel at tiscali.it  Sat Nov  3 21:17:50 2018
From: pezcurrel at tiscali.it (pezcurrel)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:17:50 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181103194143.34896a0d@localhost>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103202049.52950dbd@utnubu> <20181103203330.4da14871@utnubu>
 <20181103194143.34896a0d@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181103211750.7699b1c2@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:41:43 -0000 Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:33:30 +0100
>Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote: 
>
>> Oops, time to upgrade to 3.17.1 on my Ubuntu install :D. However, on
>> Arch, a real rolling release, I don't rely on Claws anymore. It was
>> unstable for <= 3.17.0 and still is for 3.17.1.  
>
>What on earth are you talking about? I suspect that this is just FUD.

Me too, I've been using Claws on Arch without any problem for so long.

Cheers


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov  3 21:18:29 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:18:29 -0000
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181103210142.10389739@penny>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103202049.52950dbd@utnubu>
 <20181103193514.7003f31d@localhost> <20181103210142.10389739@penny>
Message-ID: <20181103201829.5116d3b4@localhost>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:01:42 +0100
Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote: 

> I think it says more about Archlinux than about Claws Mail. :)

OTOH, Claws Mail 3.17.1 is available here:
https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/claws-mail/

with regards

Paul


From ticho at claws-mail.org  Sat Nov  3 21:22:27 2018
From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:22:27 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181103191436.435eb614@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103191436.435eb614@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20181103212227.585665ba@penny>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:14:36 +0000
Brad Rogers wrote:

> Install the webkit stuff from source
> Wait for fancy-plugin to be ported to webkit2
> Do away with html viewer plugins altogether
> 
> Each has its own (de)merits.  The third is option depends on whether such
> a move is planned.  I know nothing about that.

Yes, it is planned. However, since Webkit people have decided that
GTK2 is not good enough to work with Webkit2, this will have to wait
until Claws Mail is ported to GTK3. Work on that is ongoing, but could
of course use more manpower.

Regards,
-- 
Andrej
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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Sat Nov  3 21:50:42 2018
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:50:42 +0000
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181103212227.585665ba@penny>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
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 <20181103212227.585665ba@penny>
Message-ID: <20181103205042.55b704ab@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:22:27 +0100
Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:

Hello Andrej,

>Yes, it is planned. However, since Webkit people have decided that

Good to know.  Thanks for the info.

>GTK2 is not good enough to work with Webkit2, this will have to wait
>until Claws Mail is ported to GTK3. Work on that is ongoing, but could

There's always something, isn't there?

>of course use more manpower.

Sadly, my ability to program amounts to nil.  Letting me loose on the CM
code would be disastrous.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
There's no point in asking you'll get no reply
Pretty Vacant - Sex Pistols
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From ticho at claws-mail.org  Sat Nov  3 22:26:06 2018
From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 22:26:06 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181103205042.55b704ab@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103191436.435eb614@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103212227.585665ba@penny>
 <20181103205042.55b704ab@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20181103222606.61ad716b@penny>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:50:42 +0000
Brad Rogers wrote:

> >of course use more manpower.  
> 
> Sadly, my ability to program amounts to nil.  Letting me loose on the CM
> code would be disastrous.

Well, the good thing is that we are in the stage where the GTK3 port
mostly works, and will soon need "user eyeballs" to find and report
things which don't work, or work differently than the main GTK2
version. In fact, I'm writing this e-mail in it, as the X-Mailer header
will show. :)

So, if you (generic you) can live without Fancy plugin, feel free to
check out the gtk3 branch from our git server, and give it a whirl.

Regards,
-- 
Andrej
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From rol at witbe.net  Sun Nov  4 10:50:30 2018
From: rol at witbe.net (Paul Rolland (=?UTF-8?B?44Od44O844Or44O744Ot44Op44Oz?=))
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 10:50:30 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181103222606.61ad716b@penny>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103191436.435eb614@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103212227.585665ba@penny>
 <20181103205042.55b704ab@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103222606.61ad716b@penny>
Message-ID: <20181104105030.1af4cba3@riri.DEF.witbe.net>

Hello Andrej,

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 22:26:06 +0100
Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:

> Well, the good thing is that we are in the stage where the GTK3 port
> mostly works, and will soon need "user eyeballs" to find and report
> things which don't work, or work differently than the main GTK2
> version. In fact, I'm writing this e-mail in it, as the X-Mailer header
> will show. :)
> 
> So, if you (generic you) can live without Fancy plugin, feel free to
> check out the gtk3 branch from our git server, and give it a whirl.

Just done that, and it started... but do you have any reference that I
could you to convert my gtkrc-2.0 file to something that gtk3 understands ?
I've configured a dark theme that is matching my global destktop settings,
and default for gtk3 seems to be a light themes.

Any pointer/example would be appreciated ;)

Thanks,
Paul

-- 

Paul Rolland                                E-Mail : rol(at)witbe.net
CTO - Witbe.net SA                          Tel. +33 (0)1 47 67 77 77
Les Collines de l'Arche                     Fax. +33 (0)1 47 67 77 99
F-92057 Paris La Defense                    RIPE : PR12-RIPE

LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulrolland
Skype    : rollandpaul

"I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's
too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10
or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you
when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?'"
--Mike Godwin, Electronic Frontier Foundation 


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From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Sun Nov  4 11:56:55 2018
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 11:56:55 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181104105030.1af4cba3@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103191436.435eb614@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103212227.585665ba@penny>
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 10:50:30 +0100, Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン) wrote:
>Hello Andrej,
>
>On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 22:26:06 +0100
>Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:
>
>> Well, the good thing is that we are in the stage where the GTK3 port
>> mostly works, and will soon need "user eyeballs" to find and report
>> things which don't work, or work differently than the main GTK2
>> version. In fact, I'm writing this e-mail in it, as the X-Mailer
>> header will show. :)
>> 
>> So, if you (generic you) can live without Fancy plugin, feel free to
>> check out the gtk3 branch from our git server, and give it a whirl.  
>
>Just done that, and it started... but do you have any reference that I
>could you to convert my gtkrc-2.0 file to something that gtk3
>understands ? I've configured a dark theme that is matching my global
>destktop settings, and default for gtk3 seems to be a light themes.
>
>Any pointer/example would be appreciated ;)

First of all you need a GTK theme that still provides working themes
for GTK 2 and GTK 3. A lot of themes were discontinued by upstream.

If you have got a theme installed that does work for GTK3 as well as
GTK2, consider to manually edit $HOME/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini, to
fit to $HOME/.gtkrc-2.0.

[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ grep -v \# .gtkrc-2.0

include "/home/rocketmouse/.gtkrc-2.0.mine"
gtk-theme-name="Arc-RM-Cornflower"
gtk-icon-theme-name="Sardi-Mono-Papirus-Colora-Havelock"
gtk-font-name="Cantarell 11"
gtk-cursor-theme-name="Paper"
gtk-cursor-theme-size=0
gtk-toolbar-style=GTK_TOOLBAR_BOTH_HORIZ
gtk-toolbar-icon-size=GTK_ICON_SIZE_LARGE_TOOLBAR
gtk-button-images=1
gtk-menu-images=1
gtk-enable-event-sounds=0
gtk-enable-input-feedback-sounds=0
gtk-xft-antialias=1
gtk-xft-hinting=1
gtk-xft-hintstyle="hintfull"
gtk-xft-rgba="rgb"
[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ grep -v \# .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[Settings]
gtk-theme-name=Arc-RM-Cornflower
gtk-font-name=Cantarell 11
gtk-icon-theme-name=Sardi-Mono-Papirus-Colora-Havelock
gtk-cursor-theme-name=Paper
gtk-cursor-theme-size=0
gtk-toolbar-style=GTK_TOOLBAR_BOTH_HORIZ
gtk-toolbar-icon-size=GTK_ICON_SIZE_LARGE_TOOLBAR
gtk-button-images=1
gtk-menu-images=1
gtk-enable-event-sounds=0
gtk-enable-input-feedback-sounds=0
gtk-xft-antialias=1
gtk-xft-hinting=1
gtk-xft-hintstyle=hintfull
gtk-xft-rgba=rgb



From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov  4 12:14:05 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 11:14:05 -0000
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181104115655.657901be@utnubu>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
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Message-ID: <20181104111405.6ab16893@localhost>

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 11:56:55 +0100
Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote: 

> First of all you need a GTK theme that still provides working themes
> for GTK 2 and GTK 3. A lot of themes were discontinued by upstream.

No, Ralf. You are confusing 'you need' with 'it might be preferable
to use'.


From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Sun Nov  4 12:56:49 2018
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 12:56:49 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181104111405.6ab16893@localhost>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
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Message-ID: <20181104125649.1dd2abe4@utnubu>

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 11:14:05 -0000, Paul wrote:
>On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 11:56:55 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: 
>> First of all you need a GTK theme that still provides working themes
>> for GTK 2 and GTK 3. A lot of themes were discontinued by upstream.  
>
>No, Ralf. You are confusing 'you need' with 'it might be preferable
>to use'.

My bad, you're right. I assume that users usually want a consistent
theme for all GTK apps and at least a similar theme for Qt apps and
perhaps even for tricky GTK GNOME apps. Btw. there is
https://github.com/PCMan/gtk3-nocsd for all those who might use GNOME
applications, but want to get at least a "normal" title bar for GNOME
apps, too.

Regarding my claim that Claws is unstable (on Arch, not Ubuntu 16.04
LTS), I experienced the same for SpaceFM GTK2 and _needed_ to migrate
to SpaceFM GTK3 on Arch Linux, to get rid of the issues. I'll test Claws
GTK3 port ASAP, too.



From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov  4 13:22:32 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 12:22:32 -0000
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181104125649.1dd2abe4@utnubu>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
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Message-ID: <20181104122232.28aac466@localhost>

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 12:56:49 +0100
Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote: 

> Regarding my claim that Claws is unstable (on Arch, not Ubuntu 16.04
> LTS), I experienced the same for SpaceFM GTK2 and _needed_ to
> migrate to SpaceFM GTK3 on Arch Linux, to get rid of the issues.
> I'll test Claws GTK3 port ASAP, too.

That doesn't say what you claim to have experienced, so that still
doesn't answer my question.

And what about this?:

> You better find another MUA, since soon or later Claws will be
> broken on other systems, too.

You are just trolling here, it seems. If not, then please explain why
you've said this.

with regards

Paul


From msuchanek at suse.de  Sun Nov  4 13:44:52 2018
From: msuchanek at suse.de (Michal =?UTF-8?B?U3VjaMOhbmVr?=)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 13:44:52 +0100
Subject: [Users] SVG theme
In-Reply-To: <20181103193619.7c945fd2@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>
References: <20181103071305.46e9c25d@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>
 <20181103120122.72042072@localhost>
 <20181103122926.5b008aea@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>
 <20181103134042.3988be00@localhost> <20181103133022.250e615f@naga>
 <20181103193619.7c945fd2@pantagruel.manuelito.lan>
Message-ID: <20181104134452.584d1e09@naga>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:36:19 +0100
pezcurrel <pezcurrel at tiscali.it> wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 13:30:22 +0100 Michal Suchánek <msuchanek at suse.de>
> wrote:
> 
> >While at it something like
> >
> >https://openclipart.org/detail/26557/check-mark
> >
> >tends to be more readable than
> >
> >http://rame.altervista.org/cmbasicsvg/mark.png
> >
> >especially when overlaid on other icons. The reason is that with most
> >of the icon set rectangular due to the envelopes the slanted and
> >curved shape is easy to distinguish.
> >
> >Also the envelopes with dark sides like this 
> >
> >http://rame.altervista.org/cmbasicsvg/mark_read.png
> >
> >are way too distracting as background for additional icons making
> >them hard to read. Using more uniform envelope like
> >
> >http://rame.altervista.org/cmbasicsvg/unread.png
> >
> >would be probably better.
> >
> >Another nit is using pens slanted both left and right. I see no
> >reason why they could not be all slanted the same way.  
> 
> Thanks for your suggestions too, I tried and take them into account ;)

Hello,

thanks for the update. IT is not reflected on the web site, though.

I tried the updated theme and in comparison with the default theme I
observe these issues:

The "Forward" and "Next" arrows are in uniform dark blue which is hard
to read against my GTK theme dark background. Note the default theme
uses a gradient of blue color from light to dark making the shape
readable on both dark and light background. Same for the red arrows but
they do not appear separately so it less important for those. 

The folder icons are rendered very small so it is important that the
overlays be as big as possible and not limited to fitting into the
envelope shape.

Also note the sent and inbox icons which are rendered as completely
different kind of folder which makes them more distinct. The default
theme does not provide an 'open' graphics for this folder type, though.

In your theme the 'open' graphics for folders is pretty much
indistinguishable from closed folder. The default theme does way better
job at this where the 'open' graphics exists.

The 'Reply all' icon is very crowded in your theme.

Note also that for the SVG theme to be universally useful and not only
for hi-dpi it should render clearly in the size the default icons are
provided. That means no details smaller than the pixel size in this
rendering. However, to get that right might require quite a bit of
tuning.

You can do this comparison yourself by changing your display resolution
or attaching a lo-dpi screen for testing. Then both themes get
rendered in the same size and you can do apples-to-apples comparison of
your theme vs default or any other.

Thanks

Michal


From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Sun Nov  4 13:55:52 2018
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 13:55:52 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181104122232.28aac466@localhost>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103191436.435eb614@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103212227.585665ba@penny>
 <20181103205042.55b704ab@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103222606.61ad716b@penny>
 <20181104105030.1af4cba3@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181104115655.657901be@utnubu>
 <20181104111405.6ab16893@localhost>
 <20181104125649.1dd2abe4@utnubu>
 <20181104122232.28aac466@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181104135552.1f8bd811@utnubu>

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 12:22:32 -0000, Paul wrote:
>On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 12:56:49 +0100
>Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote: 
>
>> Regarding my claim that Claws is unstable (on Arch, not Ubuntu 16.04
>> LTS), I experienced the same for SpaceFM GTK2 and _needed_ to
>> migrate to SpaceFM GTK3 on Arch Linux, to get rid of the issues.
>> I'll test Claws GTK3 port ASAP, too.  
>
>That doesn't say what you claim to have experienced, so that still
>doesn't answer my question.
>
>And what about this?:
>
>> You better find another MUA, since soon or later Claws will be
>> broken on other systems, too.  
>
>You are just trolling here, it seems. If not, then please explain why
>you've said this.

Counterquestions: If there will be no issues with GTK 2 in the near
future for almost any GTK 2 based app, for what reason are you working
on a Claws GTK 3 port? Apart from the GNOME folks, several upstream
developers for good reasons prefer old faithful GTK 2 over GTK 3, so
they either sometimes discontinued their software or unwillingly
migrate to GTK 3. There might be still some projects that were neither
dropped, nor a migration is planed. Do they have got a future, if
they rely on GTK 2?



From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Sun Nov  4 14:04:21 2018
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 14:04:21 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181104135552.1f8bd811@utnubu>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103191436.435eb614@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103212227.585665ba@penny>
 <20181103205042.55b704ab@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103222606.61ad716b@penny>
 <20181104105030.1af4cba3@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181104115655.657901be@utnubu>
 <20181104111405.6ab16893@localhost>
 <20181104125649.1dd2abe4@utnubu>
 <20181104122232.28aac466@localhost>
 <20181104135552.1f8bd811@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20181104140421.76b70f6f@utnubu>

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 13:55:52 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 12:22:32 -0000, Paul wrote:
>>On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 12:56:49 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: 
>>  
>>> Regarding my claim that Claws is unstable (on Arch, not Ubuntu 16.04
>>> LTS), I experienced the same for SpaceFM GTK2 and _needed_ to
>>> migrate to SpaceFM GTK3 on Arch Linux, to get rid of the issues.
>>> I'll test Claws GTK3 port ASAP, too.    
>>
>>That doesn't say what you claim to have experienced, so that still
>>doesn't answer my question.
>>
>>And what about this?:
>>  
>>> You better find another MUA, since soon or later Claws will be
>>> broken on other systems, too.    
>>
>>You are just trolling here, it seems. If not, then please explain why
>>you've said this.  
>
>Counterquestions: If there will be no issues with GTK 2 in the near
>future for almost any GTK 2 based app, for what reason are you working
>on a Claws GTK 3 port? Apart from the GNOME folks, several upstream
>developers for good reasons prefer old faithful GTK 2 over GTK 3, so
>they either sometimes discontinued their software or unwillingly
>migrate to GTK 3. There might be still some projects that were neither
>dropped, nor a migration is planed. Do they have got a future, if
>they rely on GTK 2?

I forgot to mention that upstream sometimes migrates from GTK to Qt! A
famous example is LXDE.



From ticho at claws-mail.org  Sun Nov  4 14:20:21 2018
From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 14:20:21 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181104135552.1f8bd811@utnubu>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
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Message-ID: <20181104142021.2d24b738@penny>

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 13:55:52 +0100
Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 12:22:32 -0000, Paul wrote:
> >On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 12:56:49 +0100
> >Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote: 
> >  
> >> Regarding my claim that Claws is unstable (on Arch, not Ubuntu 16.04
> >> LTS), I experienced the same for SpaceFM GTK2 and _needed_ to
> >> migrate to SpaceFM GTK3 on Arch Linux, to get rid of the issues.
> >> I'll test Claws GTK3 port ASAP, too.    
> >
> >That doesn't say what you claim to have experienced, so that still
> >doesn't answer my question.
> >
> >And what about this?:
> >  
> >> You better find another MUA, since soon or later Claws will be
> >> broken on other systems, too.    
> >
> >You are just trolling here, it seems. If not, then please explain why
> >you've said this.  
> 
> Counterquestions: If there will be no issues with GTK 2 in the near
> future for almost any GTK 2 based app, for what reason are you working
> on a Claws GTK 3 port? Apart from the GNOME folks, several upstream
> developers for good reasons prefer old faithful GTK 2 over GTK 3, so
> they either sometimes discontinued their software or unwillingly
> migrate to GTK 3. There might be still some projects that were neither
> dropped, nor a migration is planed. Do they have got a future, if
> they rely on GTK 2?

We're working on a GTK3 port to have way forward open. GTK2 will not be
around forever (unless someone forks and maintains it, which is
unlikely).

I do not expect us to stop releasing GTK2 version anytime soon, as
apart from not having Fancy, it is still fully working, and IMHO better
looking. Even after GTK3 version is fully finished (as much as
something like that can ever be "finished") and working, we will likely
just release both versions concurrently. Time will tell.

Or perhaps my pet project, Qt port, will take off and we will leave GTK
behind altogether. :)

With that being said, your counterquestions seem to me like an attempt
to change topic, and avoid having to explain your rather toxic remark.
Not cool.

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de  Sun Nov  4 17:51:52 2018
From: claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de (KJD)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 17:51:52 +0100
Subject: [Users] GPG - KeyRing with some uid's Choose the wanted uid
Message-ID: <20181104175152.3e897c66@zeithaben.de>

Hey folks!

Ho do I select a designated uid from gpg keyring for singning a mail
with claws.

Thank you!

Karl


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Sun Nov  4 18:03:39 2018
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 17:03:39 +0000
Subject: [Users] GPG - KeyRing with some uid's Choose the wanted uid
In-Reply-To: <20181104175152.3e897c66@zeithaben.de>
References: <20181104175152.3e897c66@zeithaben.de>
Message-ID: <20181104170339.06199b15@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 17:51:52 +0100
KJD <claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de> wrote:

Hello KJD,

>Ho do I select a designated uid from gpg keyring for singning a mail
>with claws.

Configuration menu, Edit Accounts....

Select the account you wish, then go to Plugins and there are three
options for key use:  default, based on email address or specify
manually.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Words as weapons sharper than knives
Devil Inside - INXS
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From claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de  Sun Nov  4 18:29:00 2018
From: claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de (KJD)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:29:00 +0100
Subject: [Users] GPG - KeyRing with some uid's Choose the wanted uid
In-Reply-To: <20181104170339.06199b15@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20181104175152.3e897c66@zeithaben.de>
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Message-ID: <20181104182900.5b0b7995@zeithaben.de>

Hey,
sadly isn't it.

gpg2 --list-keys shows as an example 5 email adresses for one user.
1. fist at zeithaben.de
2. second at zeithaben.de
3. third .....

In claws I only can choose the nr. 1 one the toplist and not the second
or third mail adress. I tested (all) settings in clwas mail ...

Karl

Am Sun, 4 Nov 2018 17:03:39 +0000
schrieb Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk>:

> On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 17:51:52 +0100
> KJD <claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de> wrote:
> 
> Hello KJD,
> 
> >Ho do I select a designated uid from gpg keyring for singning a mail
> >with claws.  
> 
> Configuration menu, Edit Accounts....
> 
> Select the account you wish, then go to Plugins and there are three
> options for key use:  default, based on email address or specify
> manually.
> 

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From colin at colino.net  Sun Nov  4 18:45:10 2018
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy-Mira)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:45:10 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181104142021.2d24b738@penny>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103191436.435eb614@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103212227.585665ba@penny>
 <20181103205042.55b704ab@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103222606.61ad716b@penny>
 <20181104105030.1af4cba3@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181104115655.657901be@utnubu>
 <20181104111405.6ab16893@localhost>
 <20181104125649.1dd2abe4@utnubu>
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Message-ID: <20181104184510.57dfca89@mike>

On 04 November 2018 at 14h20, Andrej Kacian wrote:

Hi, 

> With that being said, your counterquestions seem to me like an attempt
> to change topic, and avoid having to explain your rather toxic remark.
> Not cool.

Also I can't see why the existence of GTK3 would cause GTK2 to go
unstable all by itself.

-- 
Colin
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From ticho at claws-mail.org  Sun Nov  4 19:19:12 2018
From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 19:19:12 +0100
Subject: [Users] GPG - KeyRing with some uid's Choose the wanted uid
In-Reply-To: <20181104182900.5b0b7995@zeithaben.de>
References: <20181104175152.3e897c66@zeithaben.de>
 <20181104170339.06199b15@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181104182900.5b0b7995@zeithaben.de>
Message-ID: <20181104191912.24f77701@penny>

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:29:00 +0100
KJD wrote:

> Hey,
> sadly isn't it.
> 
> gpg2 --list-keys shows as an example 5 email adresses for one user.
> 1. fist at zeithaben.de
> 2. second at zeithaben.de
> 3. third .....
> 
> In claws I only can choose the nr. 1 one the toplist and not the second
> or third mail adress. I tested (all) settings in clwas mail ...

That command lists public keys only, and for signing, you need a secret
key.

Claws Mail should be able to find the correct secret key by e-mail
address you use to send the message, or pick up the default key, if you
have one configured in your gpg.conf. There are options to set that on
/Plugins/GPG page of account preferences.

Regards,
-- 
Andrej
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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Sun Nov  4 19:33:57 2018
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:33:57 +0000
Subject: [Users] GPG - KeyRing with some uid's Choose the wanted uid
In-Reply-To: <20181104182900.5b0b7995@zeithaben.de>
References: <20181104175152.3e897c66@zeithaben.de>
 <20181104170339.06199b15@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181104182900.5b0b7995@zeithaben.de>
Message-ID: <20181104183357.27340713@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:29:00 +0100
KJD <claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de> wrote:

Hello KJD,

>1. fist at zeithaben.de
>2. second at zeithaben.de
>3. third .....

With only the one UID here, I couldn't test, unfortunately.

And with the additional info from Andrej, it seems you've got hold of
the wrong end of the stick, anyway.

-- 
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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
It's the age of destruction, in a world of corruption
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From mir at miras.org  Sun Nov  4 19:40:54 2018
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 19:40:54 +0100
Subject: [Users] GPG - KeyRing with some uid's Choose the wanted uid
In-Reply-To: <20181104182900.5b0b7995@zeithaben.de>
References: <20181104175152.3e897c66@zeithaben.de>
 <20181104170339.06199b15@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181104182900.5b0b7995@zeithaben.de>
Message-ID: <20181104194054.45c98764@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:29:00 +0100
KJD <claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de> wrote:

> Hey,
> sadly isn't it.
> 
> gpg2 --list-keys shows as an example 5 email adresses for one user.
> 1. fist at zeithaben.de
> 2. second at zeithaben.de
> 3. third .....
> 
> In claws I only can choose the nr. 1 one the toplist and not the
> second or third mail adress. I tested (all) settings in clwas mail ...
> 
You need to run:
gpg --list-secret-keys
to get the uid's required to use in claws.

-- 
Hilsen/Regards
Michael Rasmussen

Get my public GnuPG keys:
michael <at> rasmussen <dot> cc
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E
mir <at> datanom <dot> net
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C
mir <at> miras <dot> org
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917
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From pf at pfortin.com  Sun Nov  4 20:12:24 2018
From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 14:12:24 -0500
Subject: [Users] new-mail notifications on message open
Message-ID: <20181104141224.2c398074@pfortin.com>

I've noticed some new (New vs Unread) messages (already filtered to
folders) trigger the new-mail sound when opened.

If I get multiple copies of a message (as I do on devel list -- leftover
from previous testing), it does not matter what order the copies arrive;
they are all filtered into my claws-mail-dev folder.  I don't know if they
trigger the new-mail sound when they arrive; but they do while still
marked as "new" and only if they are opened 1st or 2nd, never 3rd.

NS = Notification Sound
ie, messages arrive as A1 A2 A3 B2 B1 B3 C3 C2 C1
Opened in order:       NS NS    NS NS    NS NS
   in reverse order:      NS NS    NS NS    NS NS

Opened in this order:  A3 B1 C2 B2 C3 C1 A1 A2 B3
                       NS NS NS NS NS    NS      
  
The first 2 copies opened give:
[11:47:21] notification_core.c:440:Notification Plugin: Found msg 20181104115538.389dc8f8 at sleipner.datanom.net, checking if it is in hash...
[11:47:21] notification_core.c:449:no, added to table.
[11:47:21] notification_core.c:452:notification_new_unnotified_do_msg
[11:47:21] notification_core.c:472:notification_new_unnotified_do_msg
while the 3rd gives:
[11:47:29] notification_core.c:440:Notification Plugin: Found msg 20181104130414.47e84bd8 at sleipner.datanom.net, checking if it is in hash...
[11:47:29] notification_core.c:444:yes.

If I exit the folder and return before reading all the messages, they are
now "unread" and do not trigger a notification sound.

Is this a bug, or undocumented feature?

Pierre


From epodata at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 20:29:14 2018
From: epodata at gmail.com (Erik P. Olsen)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 20:29:14 +0100
Subject: [Users] Toolbar text translated.
Message-ID: <20181104202914.6baaec6e@Erik-PC.epolan.dk>

I normally run Claws-Mail in Danish but sometimes I change the language to English when I
need to communicate some elements with someone who does not understand Danish. Then I
have noticed that the toolbar text remain Danish after having changed language to
English. When I then change the toolbar into icon only the text now comes in English when
I hover the mouse over the icon.

Is this a bug or have I somehow customised some settings wrongly?

--
Regards,
Erik P. Olsen


From jvromans at squirrel.nl  Sun Nov  4 20:57:10 2018
From: jvromans at squirrel.nl (Johan Vromans)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 20:57:10 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181103212227.585665ba@penny>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103191436.435eb614@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103212227.585665ba@penny>
Message-ID: <20181104205710.787de0a6@phoenix.squirrel.nl>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:22:27 +0100, Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org>
wrote:

> Yes, it is planned. However, since Webkit people have decided that
> GTK2 is not good enough to work with Webkit2, this will have to wait
> until Claws Mail is ported to GTK3. [...]

Does that mean that the GTK3 version will have fancy again?


From ticho at claws-mail.org  Sun Nov  4 21:58:29 2018
From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 21:58:29 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181104205710.787de0a6@phoenix.squirrel.nl>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103191436.435eb614@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103212227.585665ba@penny>
 <20181104205710.787de0a6@phoenix.squirrel.nl>
Message-ID: <20181104215829.2a0c95c1@penny>

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 20:57:10 +0100
Johan Vromans wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:22:27 +0100, Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > Yes, it is planned. However, since Webkit people have decided that
> > GTK2 is not good enough to work with Webkit2, this will have to wait
> > until Claws Mail is ported to GTK3. [...]  
> 
> Does that mean that the GTK3 version will have fancy again?

Yes, that is the plan. :)

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov  4 23:19:06 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 22:19:06 -0000
Subject: [Users] Toolbar text translated.
In-Reply-To: <20181104202914.6baaec6e@Erik-PC.epolan.dk>
References: <20181104202914.6baaec6e@Erik-PC.epolan.dk>
Message-ID: <20181104221906.4f1b89d3@localhost>

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 20:29:14 +0100
"Erik P. Olsen" <epodata at gmail.com> wrote: 

> I normally run Claws-Mail in Danish but sometimes I change the
> language to English when I need to communicate some elements with
> someone who does not understand Danish. Then I have noticed that
> the toolbar text remain Danish after having changed language to
> English. When I then change the toolbar into icon only the text now
> comes in English when I hover the mouse over the icon.
> 
> Is this a bug or have I somehow customised some settings wrongly?

A very similar question was asked recently on the translators' ml
(where this should have probably been asked also). The toolbar labels
are created the first time you run claws-mail, it seems that you ran
it first in Danish.  They can be changed via the sub-pages under
/Configuration/Preferences/Toolbars.

The tooltips, on the other hand, are not configurable, so they /are/
translated.

with regards

Paul


From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Mon Nov  5 02:19:10 2018
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 17:19:10 -0800
Subject: [Users] KDE?
Message-ID: <20181104171910.5fa5ce7d@frogguski.911networks.com>

I'm planning, in the near future to switch from XFCE to KDE. Does CM
works well under KDE (gtk to plasma)?

Thanks

-- 
sknahT

vyS


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Mon Nov  5 07:01:16 2018
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 06:01:16 +0000
Subject: [Users] KDE?
In-Reply-To: <20181104171910.5fa5ce7d@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20181104171910.5fa5ce7d@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20181105060116.29ecbc6e@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 17:19:10 -0800
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:

Hello sylpheed at 911networks.com,

>I'm planning, in the near future to switch from XFCE to KDE. Does CM
>works well under KDE (gtk to plasma)?

Yes.  Using KDE here.  You may want to tweak settings in KDE to apply KDE
settings to GTK apps.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
You don't entertain ideas you simply bore them
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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Mon Nov  5 07:02:43 2018
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 06:02:43 +0000
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181103222606.61ad716b@penny>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103191436.435eb614@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103212227.585665ba@penny>
 <20181103205042.55b704ab@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103222606.61ad716b@penny>
Message-ID: <20181105060243.4307720f@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 22:26:06 +0100
Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:

Hello Andrej,

>So, if you (generic you) can live without Fancy plugin, feel free to
>check out the gtk3 branch from our git server, and give it a whirl.

I must be doing something wrong, since I can't get it to compile here.
Certainly the fault is with me - Paul Rolland managed to compile the
GTK3 branch successfully.

When I've got more time, I'll investigate.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
What the hell has this place done for me?
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From rol at witbe.net  Mon Nov  5 08:51:05 2018
From: rol at witbe.net (Paul Rolland (=?UTF-8?B?44Od44O844Or44O744Ot44Op44Oz?=))
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 08:51:05 +0100
Subject: [Users] KDE?
In-Reply-To: <20181104171910.5fa5ce7d@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20181104171910.5fa5ce7d@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20181105085105.5e689ffa@riri.DEF.witbe.net>

Hello,

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 17:19:10 -0800
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:

> I'm planning, in the near future to switch from XFCE to KDE. Does CM
> works well under KDE (gtk to plasma)?


I've been using Claws and KDE for years... working perfectly, nothing
special to mention.

Feel free to switch, IMHO going from XFCE to KDE will be a bigger change ;)

Paul

-- 

Paul Rolland                                E-Mail : rol(at)witbe.net
CTO - Witbe.net SA                          Tel. +33 (0)1 47 67 77 77
Les Collines de l'Arche                     Fax. +33 (0)1 47 67 77 99
F-92057 Paris La Defense                    RIPE : PR12-RIPE

LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulrolland
Skype    : rollandpaul

"I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's
too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10
or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you
when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?'"
--Mike Godwin, Electronic Frontier Foundation 


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov  5 11:00:20 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 10:00:20 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4105] Selected text becomes invisible upon swithing to
 another UI section
In-Reply-To: <bug-4105-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4105-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4105-595-v8EEckYTDs@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4105

--- Comment #7 from Removed after GDPR request <removed-gdpr at example.com> ---
Using 'kcmshell5 kde-gtk-config' I tried all available themes:

Adwaita
Adwaita-dark
Breeze (the which was set when reporting the issue)
Breeze-dark
HighContrast
Raleigh

The only ones which give readable (light BG, black FG) tooltips are
HighContrast and Raleigh but they look terrible as a whole.

Again: what are you guys using? (so I can test with it)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov  5 11:38:05 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 10:38:05 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4105] Selected text becomes invisible upon swithing to
 another UI section
In-Reply-To: <bug-4105-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4105-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4105-595-oWLiK3yGvr@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4105

--- Comment #8 from Michal Suchánek <msuchanek at suse.de> ---
I am using themes from the MATE desktop environment. In particular blackMATE.

I can see selection in inactive window just fine. 

I am running claws  3.17.1

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov  5 11:43:01 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 10:43:01 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4105] Selected text becomes invisible upon swithing to
 another UI section
In-Reply-To: <bug-4105-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4105-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4105-595-AOEjpKe8Zd@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4105

--- Comment #9 from Removed after GDPR request <removed-gdpr at example.com> ---
Thanks. ^^

After installing some other themes I found a nice one (Gilouche). There are
also a few others which don't have this issue.

Obviously not a CM issue indeed.

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From chrisretusn at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 14:02:41 2018
From: chrisretusn at gmail.com (Chris Schrauben)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 21:02:41 +0800
Subject: [Users] KDE?
In-Reply-To: <20181104171910.5fa5ce7d@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20181104171910.5fa5ce7d@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20181105210241.6ec812e4@racermach.home.lan>

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 17:19:10 -0800
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:

> I'm planning, in the near future to switch from XFCE to KDE. Does CM
> works well under KDE (gtk to plasma)?
> 
> Thanks
> 

Yes, I've been using Claws Mail for quite a while with Plasma 5.

Operating System: Slackware 14.2
KDE Plasma Version: 5.14.1
Qt Version: 5.11.2
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.51.0

Claws Mail Version 3.17.1
System Information
GTK+ 2.24.32 / GLib 2.56.2


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov  5 15:52:14 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 14:52:14 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4117] New: migrate clawsker to Perl-Gtk3
Message-ID: <bug-4117-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4117

            Bug ID: 4117
           Summary: migrate clawsker to Perl-Gtk3
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: clawsker
           Version: GIT
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mones at users.sourceforge.net

Seems the ongoing race for Gtk2 removal has reached the point where the Perl
bindings for the library are not desired anymore in Debian. Other distributions
are probably reaching this point soon…

This RFE is for tracking this migration, if possible.

Of course, if anybody has a secret patch to make this happen, now it's the time
to show it and claim your glory!

Nobody yet?! Well, well, I had to try ;-)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov  5 15:53:05 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 14:53:05 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4117] migrate clawsker to Perl-Gtk3
In-Reply-To: <bug-4117-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4117-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4117-595-Rf1HlcDkZ6@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4117

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
                URL|                            |https://bugs.debian.org/912
                   |                            |872

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From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Mon Nov  5 16:00:56 2018
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 07:00:56 -0800
Subject: [Users] KDE?
In-Reply-To: <20181105060116.29ecbc6e@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20181104171910.5fa5ce7d@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20181105060116.29ecbc6e@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20181105070056.0c582691@frogguski.911networks.com>

On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 06:01:16 +0000
Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote:

>Yes.  Using KDE here.  You may want to tweak settings in KDE to
>apply KDE settings to GTK apps.

Thanks, I didn't know that, but I've found something on arch:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and_GTK_applications

anything else that you recommend?

Thanks

-- 
sknahT

vyS


From removed-gdpr at example.com  Mon Nov  5 16:08:37 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:08:37 +0200
Subject: [Users] KDE?
In-Reply-To: <20181104171910.5fa5ce7d@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20181104171910.5fa5ce7d@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20181105170837.25adbe7e@localhost>

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 17:19:10 -0800
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:

> Does CM works well under KDE (gtk to plasma)?

Yes.

--
George


From removed-gdpr at example.com  Mon Nov  5 16:10:43 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:10:43 +0200
Subject: [Users] KDE?
In-Reply-To: <20181105070056.0c582691@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20181104171910.5fa5ce7d@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20181105060116.29ecbc6e@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181105070056.0c582691@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20181105171043.100abda3@localhost>

On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 07:00:56 -0800
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:

> anything else that you recommend?

Consider this non-CM bug when choosing a theme:

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4105

--
George


From claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de  Mon Nov  5 18:59:20 2018
From: claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de (KJD)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 18:59:20 +0100
Subject: [Users] GPG - KeyRing with some uid's Choose the wanted uid
In-Reply-To: <20181104191912.24f77701@penny>
References: <20181104175152.3e897c66@zeithaben.de>
 <20181104170339.06199b15@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181104182900.5b0b7995@zeithaben.de>
 <20181104191912.24f77701@penny>
Message-ID: <20181105185920.14dad4a2@zeithaben.de>

Am Sun, 4 Nov 2018 19:19:12 +0100
schrieb Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org>:

> On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:29:00 +0100
> KJD wrote:
> 
> > Hey,
> > sadly isn't it.
> > 
> > gpg2 --list-keys shows as an example 5 email adresses for one user.
> > 1. fist at zeithaben.de
> > 2. second at zeithaben.de
> > 3. third .....
> > 
> > In claws I only can choose the nr. 1 one the toplist and not the
> > second or third mail adress. I tested (all) settings in clwas
> > mail ...  
> 
> That command lists public keys only, and for signing, you need a
> secret key.
> 
> Claws Mail should be able to find the correct secret key by e-mail
> address you use to send the message, or pick up the default key, if
> you have one configured in your gpg.conf. There are options to set
> that on /Plugins/GPG page of account preferences.
> 
> Regards,

Hey,
if I use: gpg --list-secret-keys
sec   rsa2048 2014-04-02 [SC]
      XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX9E1FXXXXXXXXZZZ
uid           [ultimate] XXXXWW (TROLUG) <trolug_k at zeithaben.de>
uid           [ultimate] ZZZZ ZZZZZZ (privat)
<k.ccccc at zeithaben.de> 
ssb   rsa2048 2014-04-02 [E]

Ever I want signing a Mail, it is only possibel to use the first
mailadress trolug_k at eithaben.de. It is not possible to create a
signing Mail with k.ccccc at zeithaben.

After gpg2 edit-key 
deluid trolug_k at zeithaben.de it is possible to choose
k.cccc at zeithaben.de

In enigmail it is possible to choose the mail adress from one key.

Regards

Karl
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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Mon Nov  5 22:12:53 2018
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 21:12:53 +0000
Subject: [Users] KDE?
In-Reply-To: <20181105070056.0c582691@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20181104171910.5fa5ce7d@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20181105060116.29ecbc6e@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181105070056.0c582691@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20181105211253.2bbeed09@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 07:00:56 -0800
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:

Hello sylpheed at 911networks.com,

>Thanks, I didn't know that, but I've found something on arch:

YW.  It's not necessary, of course, but I do find it desirable.  Purely
from an aesthetic PoV.  An entirely personal choice.

>anything else that you recommend?

No that I can think of.

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov  5 23:15:15 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 22:15:15 -0000
Subject: [Users] GPG - KeyRing with some uid's Choose the wanted uid
In-Reply-To: <20181105185920.14dad4a2@zeithaben.de>
References: <20181104175152.3e897c66@zeithaben.de>
 <20181104170339.06199b15@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181104182900.5b0b7995@zeithaben.de>
 <20181104191912.24f77701@penny>
 <20181105185920.14dad4a2@zeithaben.de>
Message-ID: <20181105221515.543e8dda@localhost>

On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 18:59:20 +0100
KJD <claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de> wrote: 

> Ever I want signing a Mail, it is only possibel to use the first
> mailadress trolug_k at eithaben.de. It is not possible to create a
> signing Mail with k.ccccc at zeithaben.

So use the Key ID instead of the email address?

with regards

Paul


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  6 01:05:12 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 00:05:12 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4118] New: Vary background of selected message in list
 based on color label
Message-ID: <bug-4118-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4118

            Bug ID: 4118
           Summary: Vary background of selected message in list based on
                    color label
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: GIT
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message List
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com

Created attachment 1933
  -->
https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1933&action=edit
suggestion

Currently selecting messages in message list shows the selection with the same
background color. However the readability of the lines for messages with
certain color tags is greatly reduced as a result of this (e.g. blue on blue,
green on blue etc.)

It would be better if the background color of selected items is determined by
the color tag itself while the foreground remains white (or whatever suits the
color theme background for non-selected items).

Attaching a quick draft of the suggestion

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  6 01:07:28 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 00:07:28 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4118] Vary background of selected message in list
 based on color label
In-Reply-To: <bug-4118-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4118-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4118-595-DtULSRSEBJ@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4118

--- Comment #1 from Removed after GDPR request <removed-gdpr at example.com> ---
*The line with 2018-11-06 [16:36] should obviously be black BG, white FG
(missed that while preparing the example)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  6 06:16:55 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 05:16:55 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4118] Vary background of selected message in list
 based on color label
In-Reply-To: <bug-4118-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4118-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4118-595-Ai9fxkYuvm@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4118

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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         Resolution|---                         |DUPLICATE

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*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 3693 ***

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  6 06:16:55 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 05:16:55 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3693] Background color of selected message in list
 does not match label color
In-Reply-To: <bug-3693-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3693-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3693-595-XkgIGaAH6N@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3693

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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                 CC|                            |removed-gdpr at example.com

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
*** Bug 4118 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  6 06:18:16 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 05:18:16 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3693] Background color of selected message in list
 does not match label color
In-Reply-To: <bug-3693-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3693-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3693-595-Hq5zev9Cts@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3693

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           Hardware|PC                          |All
                 OS|Windows 10                  |All

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  6 07:17:04 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 06:17:04 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4115] autogen: avoid unwarranted re-configure
In-Reply-To: <bug-4115-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4115-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4115-595-yhG4aKOphm@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4115

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

--- Comment #1 from users at lists.claws-mail.org ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://git.claws-mail.org/

++ ChangeLog    2018-11-06 07:15:04.600267081 +0100
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=56604ac29eba4a357aeefe73a4b28f49d06edfa9
Author: Paul <paul at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Tue Nov 6 06:14:37 2018 +0000

    fix bug 4115 'autogen: avoid unwarranted re-configure'

    patch by Bernhard <rep.dot.nop at gmail.com>

--- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
thanks!

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  6 07:17:25 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 06:17:25 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4114] autogen.sh: Fix argument quoting
In-Reply-To: <bug-4114-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4114-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4114-595-TVWSwdRXO7@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4114

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

--- Comment #1 from users at lists.claws-mail.org ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://git.claws-mail.org/

++ ChangeLog    2018-11-06 07:16:02.491752599 +0100
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=037e9121b124d1b534f5ff53f9fe656c2a71346f
Author: Paul <paul at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Tue Nov 6 06:15:38 2018 +0000

    fix bug 4114, 'autogen.sh: Fix argument quoting'

    patch by Berhard <rep.dot.nop at gmail.com>

--- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
Thanks!

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  6 07:23:27 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 06:23:27 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3896] clawsmail crashes after a while
In-Reply-To: <bug-3896-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3896-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3896-595-gTiUs1FFPn@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3896

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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         Resolution|---                         |WONTFIX

--- Comment #9 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
no response in over a year, closing now.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  6 07:25:28 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 06:25:28 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3896] clawsmail crashes after a while
In-Reply-To: <bug-3896-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3896-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3896-595-1Cfq4EX7q9@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3896

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From claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de  Tue Nov  6 08:42:06 2018
From: claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de (KJD)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 08:42:06 +0100
Subject: [Users] GPG - KeyRing with some uid's Choose the wanted uid
In-Reply-To: <20181105221515.543e8dda@localhost>
References: <20181104175152.3e897c66@zeithaben.de>
 <20181104170339.06199b15@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181104182900.5b0b7995@zeithaben.de>
 <20181104191912.24f77701@penny>
 <20181105185920.14dad4a2@zeithaben.de>
 <20181105221515.543e8dda@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181106084206.417cf9de@zeithaben.de>

Hey,
it is not the question of KEY ID but rather of access the uid inside
the key ID.
Look here: (I know it is older, but basically the same.) Access the uid
in gpg with mailadress doesn't work in clawsmail.

Regards

Karl

Am Mon, 5 Nov 2018 22:15:15 -0000
schrieb Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk>:

> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 18:59:20 +0100
> KJD <claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de> wrote: 
> 
> > Ever I want signing a Mail, it is only possibel to use the first
> > mailadress trolug_k at eithaben.de. It is not possible to create a
> > signing Mail with k.ccccc at zeithaben.  
> 
> So use the Key ID instead of the email address?
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  6 08:59:31 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 07:59:31 -0000
Subject: [Users] GPG - KeyRing with some uid's Choose the wanted uid
In-Reply-To: <20181106084206.417cf9de@zeithaben.de>
References: <20181104175152.3e897c66@zeithaben.de>
 <20181104170339.06199b15@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181104182900.5b0b7995@zeithaben.de>
 <20181104191912.24f77701@penny>
 <20181105185920.14dad4a2@zeithaben.de>
 <20181105221515.543e8dda@localhost>
 <20181106084206.417cf9de@zeithaben.de>
Message-ID: <20181106075931.34a59ba6@localhost>

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 08:42:06 +0100
KJD <claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de> wrote: 

> it is not the question of KEY ID but rather of access the uid inside
> the key ID.
> Look here: (I know it is older, but basically the same.) Access the
> uid in gpg with mailadress doesn't work in clawsmail.

I just got around to testing this.

If I specify in the C-M account prefs to select the key based on the
email address, and the email address of the sending account is not
the first UID, there is no problem.

So, you are mistaken, and C-M does consider all email addresses from
all UIDs.

with regards

Paul


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  6 09:04:12 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 08:04:12 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4070] Outlook HTML e-mails are converted to text by
 claws upon replying - badly
In-Reply-To: <bug-4070-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4070-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4070-595-f9K86RNLeB@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4070

--- Comment #4 from Arthur HUILLET <arthur.huillet at free.fr> ---
I have been using my patch for a few months now and observed no problem. Would
you please merge it?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  6 09:20:09 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 08:20:09 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4070] Outlook HTML e-mails are converted to text by
 claws upon replying - badly
In-Reply-To: <bug-4070-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4070-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4070-595-RrapPB03GW@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4070

--- Comment #5 from wwp <wwp at claws-mail.org> ---
I'm still unsatisfied how CM shows text out of HTML, adding extraneous newlines
between paragraphs. Your patch is fixing some (newlines were added at every
single line) but not all, and until I (or somebody else) can afford spending
more time on this topic, I'd prefer holding the patch on for a while.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  6 09:42:44 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 08:42:44 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4070] Outlook HTML e-mails are converted to text by
 claws upon replying - badly
In-Reply-To: <bug-4070-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4070-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4070-595-6YeRRLhBtV@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4070

--- Comment #6 from Arthur HUILLET <arthur.huillet at free.fr> ---
Do you have examples of incorrect output that my patch isn't fixing? I can take
a look, but I haven't noticed any problem that my patch isn't fixing.

Either way, my current patch is a net improvement, and you can always revert it
later if a more complete fix comes in. As it is upstream, replies to
Outlook-sent e-mails look super crappy. This ought to be fixed for more than
just me.

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From pf at pfortin.com  Tue Nov  6 16:30:20 2018
From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 10:30:20 -0500
Subject: [Users] new-mail notifications on message open
In-Reply-To: <20181104141224.2c398074@pfortin.com>
References: <20181104141224.2c398074@pfortin.com>
Message-ID: <20181106103020.7fb8ddcb@pfortin.com>

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 14:12:24 -0500 Pierre Fortin wrote:

>I've noticed some new (New vs Unread) messages (already filtered to
>folders) trigger the new-mail sound when opened.

Looks like some messages come in as duplicates with the same message-id
and this triggers the new-mail sound.  It appears that some senders have
harvested multiple email addresses and are sending one message to more
than one of my addresses resulting in duplicate copies with the same
message-id in one folder.  When I open these duplicates (sometimes more
than 2), the first 2 opened trigger the new-mail sound on open.

In the case of the devel mailing list; I get 3 copies, sent as 3
separate originating messages, with the same message-id in all 3...
eg,
482:Message-ID: <20181106082139.qenesy4salbszrag at busgosu>
483:Message-ID: <20181106082139.qenesy4salbszrag at busgosu>
484:Message-ID: <20181106082139.qenesy4salbszrag at busgosu>
All 3 took different paths...


>If I get multiple copies of a message (as I do on devel list -- leftover
>from previous testing), it does not matter what order the copies arrive;
>they are all filtered into my claws-mail-dev folder.  I don't know if they
>trigger the new-mail sound when they arrive; but they do while still
>marked as "new" and only if they are opened 1st or 2nd, never 3rd.
>
>NS = Notification Sound
>ie, messages arrive as A1 A2 A3 B2 B1 B3 C3 C2 C1
>Opened in order:       NS NS    NS NS    NS NS
>   in reverse order:      NS NS    NS NS    NS NS
>
>Opened in this order:  A3 B1 C2 B2 C3 C1 A1 A2 B3
>                       NS NS NS NS NS    NS      
>  
>The first 2 copies opened give:
>[11:47:21] notification_core.c:440:Notification Plugin: Found msg 20181104115538.389dc8f8 at sleipner.datanom.net, checking if it is in hash...
>[11:47:21] notification_core.c:449:no, added to table.
>[11:47:21] notification_core.c:452:notification_new_unnotified_do_msg
>[11:47:21] notification_core.c:472:notification_new_unnotified_do_msg
>while the 3rd gives:
>[11:47:29] notification_core.c:440:Notification Plugin: Found msg 20181104130414.47e84bd8 at sleipner.datanom.net, checking if it is in hash...
>[11:47:29] notification_core.c:444:yes.
>
>If I exit the folder and return before reading all the messages, they are
>now "unread" and do not trigger a notification sound.
>
>Is this a bug, or undocumented feature?
>
>Pierre
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  6 18:03:46 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 17:03:46 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4119] New: claws-mail segfaults with old IMAP profile
Message-ID: <bug-4119-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4119

            Bug ID: 4119
           Summary: claws-mail segfaults with old IMAP profile
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.17.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: critical
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: rmb at caa.columbia.edu

I upgraded from claws-mail 3.13.2 on Ubuntu 16.04 to claws-mail 3.17.1 on
Ubuntu 18.10 and copied my files over.  Claws-mail segfaults on start-up, but
if I delete my .claws-mail directory, it works fine.  I also tried claws-mail
3.16 on Ubuntu 18.04, and it also segfaults on startup when my old IMAP profile
is present. 

This appears to be similar to
https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3855, which
was claimed to be resolved.  However, the proposed temporary fix of changing
'protocol=3' to 'protocol=1' in accountrc and adding 'config_version=2' to
clawsrc does not fix the problem for me.

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From claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de  Tue Nov  6 21:48:39 2018
From: claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de (KJD)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 21:48:39 +0100
Subject: [Users] GPG - KeyRing with some uid's Choose the wanted uid
In-Reply-To: <20181106075931.34a59ba6@localhost>
References: <20181104175152.3e897c66@zeithaben.de>
 <20181104170339.06199b15@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181104182900.5b0b7995@zeithaben.de>
 <20181104191912.24f77701@penny>
 <20181105185920.14dad4a2@zeithaben.de>
 <20181105221515.543e8dda@localhost>
 <20181106084206.417cf9de@zeithaben.de>
 <20181106075931.34a59ba6@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181106214839.23dcb2ba@zeithaben.de>

Am Tue, 6 Nov 2018 07:59:31 -0000
schrieb Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk>:

> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 08:42:06 +0100
> KJD <claws_mail_list at zeithaben.de> wrote: 
> 
> > it is not the question of KEY ID but rather of access the uid inside
> > the key ID.
> > Look here: (I know it is older, but basically the same.) Access the
> > uid in gpg with mailadress doesn't work in clawsmail.  
> 
> I just got around to testing this.
> 
> If I specify in the C-M account prefs to select the key based on the
> email address, and the email address of the sending account is not
> the first UID, there is no problem.
> 
> So, you are mistaken, and C-M does consider all email addresses from
> all UIDs.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> https://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

Hey Paul!
Thanks a lot!

Regards 

Karl


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov  7 11:06:20 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 10:06:20 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3810] SSL certificate manager: add Signature Status
 and Expiration
In-Reply-To: <bug-3810-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3810-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3810-595-RCag7VGtXv@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3810

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

--- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
see
https://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=45fa8affd2bcce904ab1fb2be9bed2aed5741ffa

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From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Wed Nov  7 11:46:44 2018
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 11:46:44 +0100
Subject: [Users] building against GTK 3 fails regarding a quicksearch issue
Message-ID: <20181107114644.5c6c623e@utnubu>

Hi,

on Arch Linux

building claws 3.17.0 r149 against gtk3 3.24.1+8+g220f77d8c1 fails [1]

and on Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS

building claws 3.17.0 r150 against gtk3 3.18.9 fails [2].

Regards,
Ralf









[1]
[rocketmouse at archlinux claws-mail-gtk3-git]$ pacman -Q gtk3
gtk3 3.24.1+8+g220f77d8c1-1
[rocketmouse at archlinux claws-mail-gtk3-git]$ grep -v \# PKGBUILD | grep /configure -A15
	./configure \
        --build=$HOSTTYPE-arch-linux-gnu \
		--prefix=/usr \
		--disable-jpilot \
		--disable-maintainer-mode \
		--disable-manual \
		--disable-static \
		--enable-bogofilter-plugin \
		--enable-crash-dialog \
		--enable-enchant \
		--enable-gnutls \
        --enable-gtk3 \
		--enable-ldap \
		--enable-pgpmime-plugin \
		--enable-silent-rules \
		--enable-spamassassin-plugin
[rocketmouse at archlinux claws-mail-gtk3-git]$ makepkg -s 
[snip] claws-mail-gtk3-git 3.17.0.r149.g037e9121b-1
[snip]
quicksearch.c: In function ‘searchbar_pressed’:
quicksearch.c:337:38: error: ‘QuickSearch’ {aka ‘struct _QuickSearch’} has no member named ‘search_type_opt’; did you mean ‘search_type’?
   gtk_widget_grab_focus(quicksearch->search_type_opt);
                                      ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                      search_type
[snip]
quicksearch.c:988:4: warning: ‘gtk_widget_modify_text’ is deprecated: Use 'CSS style classes' instead [-Wdeprecated-declarations]
    gtk_widget_modify_text(
    ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In file included from /usr/include/gtk-3.0/gtk/gtk.h:277,
                 from quicksearch.c:28:
/usr/include/gtk-3.0/gtk/deprecated/gtkstyle.h:757:13: note: declared here
 void        gtk_widget_modify_text        (GtkWidget            *widget,
             ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
make[5]: *** [Makefile:701: quicksearch.lo] Error 1
make[5]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
In file included from ./../toolbar.h:22,
                 from ./../mainwindow.h:29,
                 from ./../prefs_common.h:29,
                 from spell_entry.c:41:
./../gtk/gtkutils.h:253: warning: "GTK_TYPE_VBOX" redefined
 #define GTK_TYPE_VBOX GTK_TYPE_BOX
[snip]
make[5]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/claws-mail-gtk3-git/src/claws-mail/src/gtk'
make[4]: *** [Makefile:596: all] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/claws-mail-gtk3-git/src/claws-mail/src/gtk'
make[3]: *** [Makefile:1649: all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/claws-mail-gtk3-git/src/claws-mail/src'
make[2]: *** [Makefile:1331: all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/claws-mail-gtk3-git/src/claws-mail/src'
make[1]: *** [Makefile:786: all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/claws-mail-gtk3-git/src/claws-mail'
make: *** [Makefile:560: all] Error 2
==> ERROR: A failure occurred in build().
    Aborting...









[2]
[weremouse at moonstudio src]$ apt list -qq 'libgtk-3-dev'
libgtk-3-dev/xenial-updates,now 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.3 amd64 [installed,automatic]
[weremouse at moonstudio src]$ git clone git://git.claws-mail.org/claws.git
[snip]
[weremouse at moonstudio claws]$ ./configure --build=$HOSTTYPE-ubuntu-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --disable-static --enable-enchant --enable-gnutls --enable-gtk3 --enable-ldap --enable-crash-dialog --enable-pgpmime-plugin --enable-spamassassin-plugin --enable-bogofilter-plugin
[snip]
[weremouse at moonstudio claws]$ sh version
3.17.0-150-g45fa8a
[weremouse at moonstudio claws]$ make
quicksearch.c: In function ‘searchbar_pressed’:
quicksearch.c:337:36: error: ‘QuickSearch {aka struct _QuickSearch}’ has no member named ‘search_type_opt’
   gtk_widget_grab_focus(quicksearch->search_type_opt);
[snip]
Makefile:681: recipe for target 'quicksearch.lo' failed
make[5]: *** [quicksearch.lo] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/claws/src/gtk'
Makefile:582: recipe for target 'all' failed
make[4]: *** [all] Error 2
make[4]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/claws/src/gtk'
Makefile:1564: recipe for target 'all-recursive' failed
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/claws/src'
Makefile:1252: recipe for target 'all' failed
make[2]: *** [all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/claws/src'
Makefile:787: recipe for target 'all-recursive' failed
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/claws'
Makefile:561: recipe for target 'all' failed
make: *** [all] Error 2



From usenet at karmasailing.uk  Wed Nov  7 12:39:29 2018
From: usenet at karmasailing.uk (Bob Williams)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 11:39:29 +0000
Subject: [Users] Claws-Mail and ProtonMail Bridge
Message-ID: <20181107113929.1fc43922@blackbox.karmasailing.uk>

If anyone is testing ProtonMail Bridge with Claws-Mail, you need to make both Drafts and Queued local folders in the account settings.

HTH

Bob
-- 
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   System:  Linux 4.19.0-2.g09557ad-default
   Distro:  
   Desktop: KDE Frameworks: 5.45.0, Qt: 5.9.4 and Plasma: 5.12.5
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov  7 13:03:04 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 12:03:04 -0000
Subject: [Users] building against GTK 3 fails regarding a quicksearch
 issue
In-Reply-To: <20181107114644.5c6c623e@utnubu>
References: <20181107114644.5c6c623e@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20181107120304.16ea5b3f@localhost>

On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 11:46:44 +0100
Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote: 

> on Arch Linux
> 
> building claws 3.17.0 r149 against gtk3 3.24.1+8+g220f77d8c1 fails
> [1]
> 
> and on Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS
> 
> building claws 3.17.0 r150 against gtk3 3.18.9 fails [2].

Try the gtk3 branch instead.

with regards

Paul


From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Wed Nov  7 15:49:17 2018
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 15:49:17 +0100
Subject: [Users] building against GTK 3 fails regarding a quicksearch
 issue
In-Reply-To: <20181107120304.16ea5b3f@localhost>
References: <20181107114644.5c6c623e@utnubu>
 <20181107120304.16ea5b3f@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181107154917.0c5f40da@utnubu>

On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 12:03:04 -0000, Paul wrote:
>Try the gtk3 branch instead.

Thank you Paul,

the good news, it works and since I would build the Ubuntu package with
checkinstall, it most likely isn't an issue to build an Ubuntu package.

The bad news, I'm unable to build an Arch Linux package when using the
gtk3 branch, see

https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2018-November/034558.html
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2018-November/034559.html
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2018-November/034563.html
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2018-November/034560.html
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2018-November/034564.html
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2018-November/034565.html
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2018-November/034566.html

and perhaps follow-ups at

https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2018-November/thread.html#start

Does anybody on this list know how to build an Arch package for the
gtk3 branch?

Regards,
Ralf



From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Wed Nov  7 16:42:52 2018
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 16:42:52 +0100
Subject: [Users] building against GTK 3 fails regarding a quicksearch
 issue
In-Reply-To: <20181107154917.0c5f40da@utnubu>
References: <20181107114644.5c6c623e@utnubu>
 <20181107120304.16ea5b3f@localhost>
 <20181107154917.0c5f40da@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20181107164252.269bcce3@utnubu>

Hi,

ok, now I understand my mistake [1]. The latest Claws gtk2 version is
3.17, but the current Claws gtk3 version is 3.16.

Is all the Claws data, including all the POP accounts compatible, if I
downgrade from Claws gtk2 version 3.17.0 and 3.17.1, to Claws gtk3
version 3.16.0?

Regards,
Ralf


[1]
Begin forwarded message:

Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 16:32:54 +0100
From: Ralf Mardorf
To: aur-general archlinux org
Subject: [aur-general] [solved]  PKGBUILD git remote branch issue


On Wed, 2018-11-07 at 10:08 -0500, Eli Schwartz via aur-general wrote:
> But the PKGBUILD is at least getting the correct version of the gtk3
> branch, unlike you --- in other words, the #branch=gtk3 notation is
> designed to accurately do exactly "what it says on the label", whereas
> humans are error-prone and sometimes forget to switch from the master
> branch to the gtk3 branch.  

Thank you,

so I made two mistakes. I forgot to switch and assumed that development
of the gtk3 port is in sync with the gtk2 version of Claws.

[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ cd /tmp/claws
[rocketmouse at archlinux claws]$ git describe --abbrev=0 --tags
3.17.0
[rocketmouse at archlinux claws]$ git rev-parse --short HEAD
f4607b4b6
[rocketmouse at archlinux claws]$ git checkout gtk3
Switched to branch 'gtk3'
Your branch is up to date with 'origin/gtk3'.
[rocketmouse at archlinux claws]$ git describe --abbrev=0 --tags
3.16.0
[rocketmouse at archlinux claws]$ git rev-parse --short HEAD
04185a6e4

Regards,
Ralf



From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Wed Nov  7 17:33:51 2018
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 17:33:51 +0100
Subject: [Users] building against GTK 3 fails regarding a quicksearch
 issue
In-Reply-To: <20181107164252.269bcce3@utnubu>
References: <20181107114644.5c6c623e@utnubu>
 <20181107120304.16ea5b3f@localhost>
 <20181107154917.0c5f40da@utnubu> <20181107164252.269bcce3@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20181107173351.10b376fe@utnubu>

Résumé:

It doesn't build on Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS, but might do on newer Ubuntu
releases, if you follow the instructions in the attached
claws-gtk3.configure file, but you need to remove split packages of
other claws-mail builds, before installing this not split package and
you need to install all dependencies manually.

[weremouse at moonstudio claws]$ ./autogen.sh
[snip]
configure: error: Package requirements (gtk+-3.0 >= 3.20 cairo) were not met:

Requested 'gtk+-3.0 >= 3.20' but version of GTK+ is 3.18.9
[snip]
[weremouse at moonstudio src]$ lsb_release -d
Description:	Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS



It builds on Arch Linux, when using the attached PKGBUILD and should
handle everything automatically.

[rocketmouse at archlinux claws-mail-gtk3-git]$ makepkg -s
[snip]
==> Finished making: claws-mail-gtk3-git 3.16.0.r463.g04185a6e4-1 (Wed 07 Nov 2018 05:17:42 PM CET)



I need Ubuntu's Claws with Arch's Claws in version sync, since they
share the folders with each other.

However, if downgrading and upgrading shouldn't cause issues, I would
install claws-mail-gtk3-git on Arch Linux temporarily and then upgrade
to the gtk2 version, since the Ubuntu and Arch install don't access the
folders at the same time. Before I install the package I wait for a
reply.

Regards,
Ralf

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From ticho at claws-mail.org  Wed Nov  7 18:14:00 2018
From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:14:00 +0100
Subject: [Users] building against GTK 3 fails regarding a quicksearch
 issue
In-Reply-To: <20181107164252.269bcce3@utnubu>
References: <20181107114644.5c6c623e@utnubu>
 <20181107120304.16ea5b3f@localhost>
 <20181107154917.0c5f40da@utnubu> <20181107164252.269bcce3@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20181107181400.60e02463@penny>

On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 16:42:52 +0100
Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> ok, now I understand my mistake [1]. The latest Claws gtk2 version is
> 3.17, but the current Claws gtk3 version is 3.16.
> 
> Is all the Claws data, including all the POP accounts compatible, if I
> downgrade from Claws gtk2 version 3.17.0 and 3.17.1, to Claws gtk3
> version 3.16.0?

It's not really a downgrade, the code in gtk3 branch is kept up to date
with the master branch (sometimes with a few days of delay, depending
on how busy I am). So you can use the same config for each. I switch
between gtk2 and gtk3 versions sometimes several times per day,
depending on what I happen to be working on and testing at the
moment. :) I don't think we will need to break config compatibility
between the two versions for a good while - in fact, we try not to.

You are seeing version "3.16.0gitXXX", because for git builds, the
version string is generated from last release tag in that branch, plus
number of commits in the branch since that tag. And since tag names
have to be unique across the entire repository, and not just the
branch, we can't have the same release tags both in master, and in gtk3
branch.

I admit that it is a rather strange situation, which will definitely
need to be resolved sometimes in the future, but while the gtk3 branch
is still under development, nobody is really bothered about it. :)

Regards,
-- 
Andrej
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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Wed Nov  7 18:32:25 2018
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 17:32:25 +0000
Subject: [Users] building against GTK 3 fails regarding a quicksearch
 issue
In-Reply-To: <20181107181400.60e02463@penny>
References: <20181107114644.5c6c623e@utnubu>
 <20181107120304.16ea5b3f@localhost>
 <20181107154917.0c5f40da@utnubu> <20181107164252.269bcce3@utnubu>
 <20181107181400.60e02463@penny>
Message-ID: <20181107173225.063391a6@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:14:00 +0100
Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:

Hello Andrej,

>It's not really a downgrade, the code in gtk3 branch is kept up to date

A silly question, perhaps, but how do I pull the GTK3 branch from GIT?
My online searches have failed me.  It's this, no doubt, that tripped me
up compiling for GTK3.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
White people going to school, where they teach you to be thick
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From ticho at claws-mail.org  Wed Nov  7 18:36:41 2018
From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:36:41 +0100
Subject: [Users] building against GTK 3 fails regarding a quicksearch
 issue
In-Reply-To: <20181107173225.063391a6@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20181107114644.5c6c623e@utnubu>
 <20181107120304.16ea5b3f@localhost>
 <20181107154917.0c5f40da@utnubu> <20181107164252.269bcce3@utnubu>
 <20181107181400.60e02463@penny>
 <20181107173225.063391a6@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20181107183641.26f0aee3@penny>

On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 17:32:25 +0000
Brad Rogers wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:14:00 +0100
> Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Andrej,
> 
> >It's not really a downgrade, the code in gtk3 branch is kept up to date  
> 
> A silly question, perhaps, but how do I pull the GTK3 branch from GIT?
> My online searches have failed me.  It's this, no doubt, that tripped me
> up compiling for GTK3.

Simply by adding "-b branchname" switch when cloning. E.g. when cloning into
a dir named "gtk3claws":

$ git clone https://git.claws-mail.org/readonly/claws.git gtk3claws -b gtk3

-- 
Andrej
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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Wed Nov  7 19:03:37 2018
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:03:37 +0000
Subject: [Users] building against GTK 3 fails regarding a quicksearch
 issue
In-Reply-To: <20181107183641.26f0aee3@penny>
References: <20181107114644.5c6c623e@utnubu>
 <20181107120304.16ea5b3f@localhost>
 <20181107154917.0c5f40da@utnubu> <20181107164252.269bcce3@utnubu>
 <20181107181400.60e02463@penny>
 <20181107173225.063391a6@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181107183641.26f0aee3@penny>
Message-ID: <20181107180337.62d4d5a1@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:36:41 +0100
Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:

Hello Andrej,

>Simply by adding "-b branchname" switch when cloning. E.g. when cloning
>into a dir named "gtk3claws":

Brilliant stuff.  Many thanks, Andrej.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
They really dig me man, and I dig them
To Be Someone (Didn't We Have A Nice Time) - The Jam
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From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Wed Nov  7 20:24:26 2018
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:24:26 +0100
Subject: [Users] building against GTK 3 fails regarding a quicksearch
 issue
In-Reply-To: <20181107181400.60e02463@penny>
References: <20181107114644.5c6c623e@utnubu>
 <20181107120304.16ea5b3f@localhost>
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Message-ID: <20181107202426.7446dc7a@utnubu>

On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:14:00 +0100, Andrej Kacian wrote:
>On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 16:42:52 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: 
>> ok, now I understand my mistake [1]. The latest Claws gtk2 version is
>> 3.17, but the current Claws gtk3 version is 3.16.
>> 
>> Is all the Claws data, including all the POP accounts compatible, if
>> I downgrade from Claws gtk2 version 3.17.0 and 3.17.1, to Claws gtk3
>> version 3.16.0?  
>
>It's not really a downgrade, the code in gtk3 branch is kept up to date
>with the master branch (sometimes with a few days of delay, depending
>on how busy I am). So you can use the same config for each. I switch
>between gtk2 and gtk3 versions sometimes several times per day,
>depending on what I happen to be working on and testing at the
>moment. :) I don't think we will need to break config compatibility
>between the two versions for a good while - in fact, we try not to.
>
>You are seeing version "3.16.0gitXXX", because for git builds, the
>version string is generated from last release tag in that branch, plus
>number of commits in the branch since that tag. And since tag names
>have to be unique across the entire repository, and not just the
>branch, we can't have the same release tags both in master, and in gtk3
>branch.
>
>I admit that it is a rather strange situation, which will definitely
>need to be resolved sometimes in the future, but while the gtk3 branch
>is still under development, nobody is really bothered about it. :)

Thank you Andrej :).



From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Wed Nov  7 21:04:19 2018
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 21:04:19 +0100
Subject: [Users] Screenshots of Claws gtk2 and gtk3
Message-ID: <20181107210419.4f1950bb@utnubu>

Hi,

the gtk3 version doesn't look bad.

claws gtk2 https://i.imgur.com/vczASne.png
claws gtk3 https://i.imgur.com/X1XDeHk.png

Ensure that the screenshots are shown full size, by a mouse click.

There are several graphic issues, if I move the mouse pointer or use
the mouse scroll wheel. The "Compose Email" button doesn't work at all.

It was a very short test...

[rocketmouse at archlinux aur]$ grep claws-mail /var/log/pacman.log | grep 2018-11-07
[2018-11-07 20:32] [PACMAN] Running 'pacman -U claws-mail-gtk3-git-3.16.0.r463.g04185a6e4-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz'
[2018-11-07 20:32] [ALPM] removed claws-mail (3.17.1-1)
[2018-11-07 20:32] [ALPM] installed claws-mail-gtk3-git (3.16.0.r463.g04185a6e4-1)
[2018-11-07 20:40] [PACMAN] Running 'pacman -S claws-mail'
[2018-11-07 20:40] [ALPM] removed claws-mail-gtk3-git (3.16.0.r463.g04185a6e4-1)
[2018-11-07 20:40] [ALPM] installed claws-mail (3.17.1-1)

...but I'll test it again.

Regards,
Ralf



From brad at fineby.me.uk  Wed Nov  7 21:10:39 2018
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:10:39 +0000
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181104142021.2d24b738@penny>
References: <20181103195701.59eb8215@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181103191436.435eb614@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103212227.585665ba@penny>
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 14:20:21 +0100
Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:

Hello Andrej,

>I do not expect us to stop releasing GTK2 version anytime soon, as
>apart from not having Fancy, it is still fully working, and IMHO better
>looking. 

Just downloaded, compiled and run the GTK3 branch.  I think you're right
- GTK3 has a very different, and to my mind, rather clunky appearance
compared with GTK2.  Toolbar buttons, in particular, take massive amounts
of space.

That said, it fired up fine, and worked well for the short period of
time I had it running.  I'll fiddle with it more over the next few days.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
My body's an oasis to drink from as you please
Mirage - Siouxsie & The Banshees
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From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Thu Nov  8 03:54:52 2018
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:54:52 -0800
Subject: [Users] RSSyl inconsistencies
Message-ID: <20181107185452.6a2d1965@frogguski.911networks.com>

CM 3.17.1 on Manjaro and works very well than you.

I also have RSSyl installed.

I have CM set to manual email pickups, but even though the emails
accounts are set manual pickups, the RSS feed are being collected
every 2 hours (the default). 

Shouldn't it be done just during the "internet access"?

-- 
sknahT

vyS


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov  8 06:28:54 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 05:28:54 -0000
Subject: [Users] RSSyl inconsistencies
In-Reply-To: <20181107185452.6a2d1965@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20181107185452.6a2d1965@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20181108052854.6ed6cb77@localhost>

On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:54:52 -0800
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: 

> I have CM set to manual email pickups, but even though the emails
> accounts are set manual pickups, the RSS feed are being collected
> every 2 hours (the default). 

The RSSyl plugin has its own setting for this, and the rss feed
folders can override the refresh period individually.

> Shouldn't it be done just during the "internet access"?

Do you mean that you have NetworkManager support built in?

with regards

Paul


From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Thu Nov  8 15:46:22 2018
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 06:46:22 -0800
Subject: [Users] RSSyl inconsistencies
In-Reply-To: <20181108052854.6ed6cb77@localhost>
References: <20181107185452.6a2d1965@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20181108052854.6ed6cb77@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181108064622.22cec2e0@frogguski.911networks.com>

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 05:28:54 -0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

>
>The RSSyl plugin has its own setting for this, and the rss feed
>folders can override the refresh period individually.
>
>> Shouldn't it be done just during the "internet access"?  
>
>Do you mean that you have NetworkManager support built in?

No, each account has the setting: 

receive > automatic checking > use global settings checkmark or not

I think that RSSyl should also honor the global settings.

-- 
sknahT

vyS


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov  8 15:52:16 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 14:52:16 -0000
Subject: [Users] RSSyl inconsistencies
In-Reply-To: <20181108064622.22cec2e0@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20181107185452.6a2d1965@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20181108052854.6ed6cb77@localhost>
 <20181108064622.22cec2e0@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20181108145216.2851166d@localhost>

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 06:46:22 -0800
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: 

> No, each account has the setting: 
> 
> receive > automatic checking > use global settings checkmark or not
> 
> I think that RSSyl should also honor the global settings.

That is the global RSSyl settings.
See /Configuration/Preferences/Plugins/RSSyl

with regards

Paul


From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Thu Nov  8 16:03:22 2018
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 07:03:22 -0800
Subject: [Users] RSSyl inconsistencies
In-Reply-To: <20181108145216.2851166d@localhost>
References: <20181107185452.6a2d1965@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20181108052854.6ed6cb77@localhost>
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 <20181108145216.2851166d@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181108070322.7f7bfd60@frogguski.911networks.com>

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 14:52:16 -0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

>On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 06:46:22 -0800
>sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: 
>
>> No, each account has the setting: 
>> 
>> receive > automatic checking > use global settings checkmark or not
>> 
>> I think that RSSyl should also honor the global settings.  
>
>That is the global RSSyl settings.
>See /Configuration/Preferences/Plugins/RSSyl

Are you saying that removing the default time checkmark will allow
RSSyl to obey the same rules are the emails?

sknahT

vyS

>
>with regards
>
>Paul
>_______________________________________________
>Users mailing list
>Users at lists.claws-mail.org
>https://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users


-- 
sknahT

vyS


From ricardo at mones.org  Thu Nov  8 16:18:36 2018
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 16:18:36 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181107201039.6c4833c5@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20181103205042.55b704ab@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103222606.61ad716b@penny>
 <20181104105030.1af4cba3@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181104115655.657901be@utnubu>
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Message-ID: <20181108151836.2vjau5neu5voganj@busgosu>

On Wed, Nov 07, 2018 at 08:10:39PM +0000, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 14:20:21 +0100
> Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Andrej,
> 
> >I do not expect us to stop releasing GTK2 version anytime soon, as
> >apart from not having Fancy, it is still fully working, and IMHO better
> >looking. 
> 
> Just downloaded, compiled and run the GTK3 branch.  I think you're right
> - GTK3 has a very different, and to my mind, rather clunky appearance
> compared with GTK2.  Toolbar buttons, in particular, take massive amounts
> of space.

You may try to change your GTK3 theme and see if it improves.

Default theme makes widgets kinda bulky when you're used to GTK2,
perhaps to look better on hi-DPI, but that's just a wild guess of mine.

regards,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but 
  that's not why we do it.                            Richard Feynman

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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Thu Nov  8 16:43:43 2018
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 15:43:43 +0000
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181108151836.2vjau5neu5voganj@busgosu>
References: <20181103205042.55b704ab@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 16:18:36 +0100
Ricardo Mones <ricardo at mones.org> wrote:

Hello Ricardo,

>You may try to change your GTK3 theme and see if it improves.

Now why didn't I thnik of that?  Definitely a step in the right
direction, thanks Ricardo.

>Default theme makes widgets kinda bulky when you're used to GTK2,
>perhaps to look better on hi-DPI, but that's just a wild guess of mine.

You may well be on the money there.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Everything in life should be free, except the bits that belong to me
Selfish Rubbish - Public Image Ltd
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From ticho at claws-mail.org  Thu Nov  8 16:49:53 2018
From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 16:49:53 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181108151836.2vjau5neu5voganj@busgosu>
References: <20181103205042.55b704ab@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103222606.61ad716b@penny>
 <20181104105030.1af4cba3@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
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Message-ID: <20181108164953.0b6361e9@penny>

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 16:18:36 +0100
Ricardo Mones wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 07, 2018 at 08:10:39PM +0000, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 14:20:21 +0100
> > Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Andrej,
> >   
> > >I do not expect us to stop releasing GTK2 version anytime soon, as
> > >apart from not having Fancy, it is still fully working, and IMHO better
> > >looking.   
> > 
> > Just downloaded, compiled and run the GTK3 branch.  I think you're right
> > - GTK3 has a very different, and to my mind, rather clunky appearance
> > compared with GTK2.  Toolbar buttons, in particular, take massive amounts
> > of space.  
> 
> You may try to change your GTK3 theme and see if it improves.
> 
> Default theme makes widgets kinda bulky when you're used to GTK2,
> perhaps to look better on hi-DPI, but that's just a wild guess of mine.

Some widgets have also been redesigned in GTK3 to be intentionally
bigger. Compare the spin button widgets and how efficiently they use
space:

https://developer.gnome.org/gtk2/2.24/spinbutton.png
https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.22/spinbutton.png

Regards,
-- 
Andrej
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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Thu Nov  8 17:01:11 2018
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 16:01:11 +0000
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181108164953.0b6361e9@penny>
References: <20181103205042.55b704ab@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 16:49:53 +0100
Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:

Hello Andrej,

>Some widgets have also been redesigned in GTK3 to be intentionally

Thanks Andrej.  As suggested by Ricardo, I've changed themes (Why didn't
I think of that?), which goes along way to improving space usage.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
People stare like they've seen a ghost
Titanic (My Over) Reaction - 999
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From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Thu Nov  8 17:08:34 2018
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 17:08:34 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181108154343.3b009dc8@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20181103205042.55b704ab@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
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Message-ID: <20181108170834.7d32a031@utnubu>

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 15:43:43 +0000, Brad Rogers wrote:
>On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 16:18:36 +0100 Ricardo Mones wrote:
>>You may try to change your GTK3 theme and see if it improves.  
>Now why didn't I thnik of that?  Definitely a step in the right
>direction, thanks Ricardo.

Consider to post screenshots, too.

The screenshots I already posted:

claws gtk2 https://i.imgur.com/vczASne.png
claws gtk3 https://i.imgur.com/X1XDeHk.png

It's a customized Arc theme, after customizing it, I updated the
original theme, but never the customized theme.

I only found https://github.com/horst3180/arc-theme/issues/597, but it
seemingly doesn't covers the changes for the customized version shown by
the screenshots.

[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ grep -v  \# .gtkrc-2.0

include "/home/rocketmouse/.gtkrc-2.0.mine"
gtk-theme-name="Arc-RM-Cornflower"
gtk-icon-theme-name="Sardi-Mono-Papirus-Colora-Havelock"
gtk-font-name="Cantarell 11"
gtk-cursor-theme-name="Paper"
gtk-cursor-theme-size=0
gtk-toolbar-style=GTK_TOOLBAR_BOTH_HORIZ
gtk-toolbar-icon-size=GTK_ICON_SIZE_LARGE_TOOLBAR
gtk-button-images=1
gtk-menu-images=1
gtk-enable-event-sounds=0
gtk-enable-input-feedback-sounds=0
gtk-xft-antialias=1
gtk-xft-hinting=1
gtk-xft-hintstyle="hintfull"
gtk-xft-rgba="rgb"
[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ grep -v  \# .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[Settings]
gtk-theme-name=Arc-RM-Cornflower
gtk-font-name=Cantarell 11
gtk-icon-theme-name=Sardi-Mono-Papirus-Colora-Havelock
gtk-cursor-theme-name=Paper
gtk-cursor-theme-size=0
gtk-toolbar-style=GTK_TOOLBAR_BOTH_HORIZ
gtk-toolbar-icon-size=GTK_ICON_SIZE_LARGE_TOOLBAR
gtk-button-images=1
gtk-menu-images=1
gtk-enable-event-sounds=0
gtk-enable-input-feedback-sounds=0
gtk-xft-antialias=1
gtk-xft-hinting=1
gtk-xft-hintstyle=hintfull
gtk-xft-rgba=rgb



From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Thu Nov  8 17:12:23 2018
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 17:12:23 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181108170834.7d32a031@utnubu>
References: <20181103205042.55b704ab@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103222606.61ad716b@penny>
 <20181104105030.1af4cba3@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181104115655.657901be@utnubu>
 <20181104111405.6ab16893@localhost>
 <20181104125649.1dd2abe4@utnubu>
 <20181104122232.28aac466@localhost>
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 <20181108170834.7d32a031@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20181108171223.1a519e29@utnubu>

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 17:08:34 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>I only found https://github.com/horst3180/arc-theme/issues/597, but it
>seemingly doesn't covers the changes for the customized version shown
>by the screenshots.

Oops, wrong link, it should read
https://github.com/horst3180/arc-theme/issues/406.



From ricardo at mones.org  Thu Nov  8 19:32:40 2018
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 19:32:40 +0100
Subject: [Users] Using Fancy with Fedora 29 ?
In-Reply-To: <20181108164953.0b6361e9@penny>
References: <20181103205042.55b704ab@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181103222606.61ad716b@penny>
 <20181104105030.1af4cba3@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
 <20181104115655.657901be@utnubu>
 <20181104111405.6ab16893@localhost>
 <20181104125649.1dd2abe4@utnubu>
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 16:49:53 +0100
Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 16:18:36 +0100
> Ricardo Mones wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Nov 07, 2018 at 08:10:39PM +0000, Brad Rogers wrote:  
> > > On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 14:20:21 +0100
> > > Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hello Andrej,
> > >     
> > > >I do not expect us to stop releasing GTK2 version anytime soon, as
> > > >apart from not having Fancy, it is still fully working, and IMHO
> > > >better looking.     
> > > 
> > > Just downloaded, compiled and run the GTK3 branch.  I think you're
> > > right
> > > - GTK3 has a very different, and to my mind, rather clunky appearance
> > > compared with GTK2.  Toolbar buttons, in particular, take massive
> > > amounts of space.    
> > 
> > You may try to change your GTK3 theme and see if it improves.
> > 
> > Default theme makes widgets kinda bulky when you're used to GTK2,
> > perhaps to look better on hi-DPI, but that's just a wild guess of mine.  
> 
> Some widgets have also been redesigned in GTK3 to be intentionally
> bigger. Compare the spin button widgets and how efficiently they use
> space:
> 
> https://developer.gnome.org/gtk2/2.24/spinbutton.png
> https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.22/spinbutton.png

Well, yes, there's a design component there where the minimalistic
heavily-packed arrows have become two complete buttons.

But to be fair that comparison should have been done with same font
settings, the gtk3 font size is way larger than the gtk2 font ;-)

regards,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov  9 00:23:09 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 23:23:09 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3909] No option to use IMAP delete flag
In-Reply-To: <bug-3909-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3909-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3909-595-EQhkQJgUvR@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3909

--- Comment #4 from Wim Lewis <wiml at hhhh.org> ---
(In reply to comment #1)
> That is exactly what disabling "Execute immediately when moving or deleting
> messages" checkbox in preferences does. It is on the Summaries page.
> 
> With that checkbox disabled, your IMAP messages will be marked as deleted
> when you "Delete", and marked for moving when you "Move to trash".

I'm not seeing that behavior. Even with "Execute immediately when moving or
deleting messages" unchecked, and all of the "Put deleted messages in..."
options unchecked, Claws (3.16.0, ubuntu) still uses the old bad behavior of
moving messages to a separate folder --- it just waits until I "execute" before
doing so. Claws still doesn't use the Deleted flag properly.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov  9 08:37:11 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 07:37:11 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3909] No option to use IMAP delete flag
In-Reply-To: <bug-3909-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3909-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3909-595-xHObCvZTi6@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3909

--- Comment #5 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
(In reply to comment #4)
> Even with "Execute immediately when moving or
> deleting messages" unchecked, and all of the "Put deleted messages in..."
> options unchecked, Claws (3.16.0, ubuntu) still uses the old bad behavior of
> moving messages to a separate folder --- it just waits until I "execute"
> before doing so. Claws still doesn't use the Deleted flag properly.

What are you expecting to happen? What do you think is using "the Deleted flag
properly"?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov  9 12:36:11 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 11:36:11 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4067] to be able to set the thread view default to off
In-Reply-To: <bug-4067-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4067-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4067-595-FlEGjB8IOu@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4067

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

--- Comment #5 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
This option, (along with other defaults for new folders), has now been added to
GIT.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov  9 12:56:49 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 11:56:49 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3930] message view reverts to text on receipt of new
	message
In-Reply-To: <bug-3930-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3930-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3930-595-x1xgJf16Ml@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3930

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov  9 13:02:28 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 12:02:28 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3811] deleting SSL certs doesn't always work
In-Reply-To: <bug-3811-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3811-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3811-595-XlOwXsNT9t@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3811

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov  9 13:12:48 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 12:12:48 -0000
Subject: [Users] RSSyl inconsistencies
In-Reply-To: <20181108070322.7f7bfd60@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20181107185452.6a2d1965@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20181108052854.6ed6cb77@localhost>
 <20181108064622.22cec2e0@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20181108145216.2851166d@localhost>
 <20181108070322.7f7bfd60@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20181109121248.008b95b8@localhost>

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 07:03:22 -0800
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: 

> Are you saying that removing the default time checkmark will allow
> RSSyl to obey the same rules are the emails?

No. They are separate things.

with regards

Paul


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Sat Nov 10 16:24:01 2018
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 15:24:01 +0000
Subject: [Users] Odd behaviour introduced somewhere between git150 and git155
Message-ID: <20181110152401.7e89c42c@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

Hello,

I've not raised a bug report since this is GIT I'm talking about, and it
might be due to something ongoing and, as yet, unfinished.  Just
wondered if anybody else has seen this, or might be able to explain.

I have CM (GTK2 branch) poll for mail on start up.  Up to git150,
everything behaved as expected - CM started, polled for mail without
putting up a dialog (as per my prefs - show only on manual download)
from all sources and then sat patiently waiting for me to do stuff, or
until the next poll.

My next update was to git155, and now what happens is that CM starts,
polls for mail, then polls again, but puts up the dialog this time.  It
doesn't appear to collect mail from all sources the first time through,
as the network log shows.

I have six accounts and polling goes like this;

Poll accounts:
* Account 'b.rogers at yandex.com': Connecting to POP3 server:
* Account 'yoss1960 at bikerider.com': Connecting to POP3 server:
* Account 'yoss1960 at gmx.com': Connecting to POP3 server:
* Account 'yoss1960 at zoho.com': Connecting to POP3 server:

Go again, with dialog
* Account 'brad at fineby.me.uk': Connecting to POP3 server:
* Account 'info at fineby.me.uk': Connecting to POP3 server:
* Account 'b.rogers at yandex.com': Connecting to POP3 server:
* Account 'yoss1960 at bikerider.com': Connecting to POP3 server:
* Account 'yoss1960 at gmx.com': Connecting to POP3 server:
* Account 'yoss1960 at zoho.com': Connecting to POP3 server:

-- 
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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Walking through town is quite scary
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 10 17:49:05 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 16:49:05 -0000
Subject: [Users] Odd behaviour introduced somewhere between git150 and
 git155
In-Reply-To: <20181110152401.7e89c42c@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20181110152401.7e89c42c@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20181110164905.3c87d6a1@localhost>

On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 15:24:01 +0000
Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote: 

> My next update was to git155, and now what happens is that CM
> starts, polls for mail, then polls again,

Do you mean it polls for mail twice at start-up?

What are your settings for auto-fetching mail, both the global
setting and account settings?

with regards

Paul


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Sat Nov 10 18:50:28 2018
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:50:28 +0000
Subject: [Users] Odd behaviour introduced somewhere between git150 and
 git155
In-Reply-To: <20181110164905.3c87d6a1@localhost>
References: <20181110152401.7e89c42c@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181110164905.3c87d6a1@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181110175028.1bc21a2a@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 16:49:05 -0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

Hello Paul,

>Do you mean it polls for mail twice at start-up?

Yes, although not all accounts both times.  See below for further info.

>What are your settings for auto-fetching mail, both the global
>setting and account settings?

Global: Poll every hour

Accounts:
 4 set to Use Global
 1 set to Every 15 mins
 1 set to Every 24 hrs

On the first go round at start of CM, the four accounts that use the
global settings are polled, but not the two that have custom settings.
As soon as that completes, the second poll starts (when the dialog gets
put up) and mail from all six accounts is collected.
 
-- 
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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
I'll be the rubbish you'll be the bin
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 10 18:54:57 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:54:57 -0000
Subject: [Users] Odd behaviour introduced somewhere between git150 and
 git155
In-Reply-To: <20181110175028.1bc21a2a@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20181110152401.7e89c42c@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181110164905.3c87d6a1@localhost>
 <20181110175028.1bc21a2a@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20181110175457.7e0218cb@localhost>

On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:50:28 +0000
Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote: 

> On the first go round at start of CM, the four accounts that use the
> global settings are polled, but not the two that have custom
> settings. As soon as that completes, the second poll starts (when
> the dialog gets put up) and mail from all six accounts is collected.

Do those 4 have the 'G' column checked in the Edit accounts window
and the others don't?

with regards

Paul


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Sat Nov 10 19:08:21 2018
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 18:08:21 +0000
Subject: [Users] Odd behaviour introduced somewhere between git150 and
 git155
In-Reply-To: <20181110175457.7e0218cb@localhost>
References: <20181110152401.7e89c42c@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181110164905.3c87d6a1@localhost>
 <20181110175028.1bc21a2a@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181110175457.7e0218cb@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181110180729.7dbc0f87@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:54:57 -0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

Hello Paul,

>Do those 4 have the 'G' column checked in the Edit accounts window
>and the others don't?

Damn.  I missed a setting.   :-D

All six have G marked.

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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
You're all invited to a party, you don't even have to come
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 10 20:54:20 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:54:20 -0000
Subject: [Users] Odd behaviour introduced somewhere between git150 and
 git155
In-Reply-To: <20181110180729.7dbc0f87@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20181110152401.7e89c42c@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181110164905.3c87d6a1@localhost>
 <20181110175028.1bc21a2a@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181110175457.7e0218cb@localhost>
 <20181110180729.7dbc0f87@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20181110195420.17defd98@localhost>

That should be fixed now, git160.

thanks for the report,

regards

Paul


From removed-gdpr at example.com  Sat Nov 10 21:07:57 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 22:07:57 +0200
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
Message-ID: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>

Hi,

I have just built Clawsker from git source (the same
way I have been doing for a long time) but it won't
start:

[~]: /opt/clawsker/bin/clawsker
Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Gtk3 module) (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.26.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.26.1 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.26.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.26.1 /usr/lib/perl5/5.26.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.26.1 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl) at /opt/clawsker/bin/clawsker line 22.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /opt/clawsker/bin/clawsker line 22.

How do I fix this please?

FWIW this is an openSUSE Leap 15 system and:

[~]: rpm -q gtk3-devel
gtk3-devel-3.22.30-lp150.3.3.1.x86_64

--
George


From dave at howorth.org.uk  Sat Nov 10 21:26:08 2018
From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:26:08 +0000
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181110202608.7c0bd030@acer-suse.lan>

On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 22:07:57 +0200
Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have just built Clawsker from git source (the same
> way I have been doing for a long time) but it won't
> start:
> 
> [~]: /opt/clawsker/bin/clawsker
> Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Gtk3
> module)

As it says, you need to install Gtk3.pm

There don't appear to be any perl-gtk3 modules in the standard
repositories for Leap 15.0 (evidently the maintainers share my own
scepticism about the benefits of this latest, greatest 'improvement')
so you'll need to search for it in a non-standard repository or else
install it the perl way. i.e. cpan Gtk3 or cpanm Gtk3

> (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.26.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.26.1 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.26.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.26.1 /usr/lib/perl5/5.26.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.26.1 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl)
> at /opt/clawsker/bin/clawsker line 22. BEGIN failed--compilation
> aborted at /opt/clawsker/bin/clawsker line 22.
> 
> How do I fix this please?
> 
> FWIW this is an openSUSE Leap 15 system and:
> 
> [~]: rpm -q gtk3-devel
> gtk3-devel-3.22.30-lp150.3.3.1.x86_64

The c/c++ packages have not a lot to do with perl.


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Sat Nov 10 21:20:46 2018
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:20:46 +0000
Subject: [Users] Odd behaviour introduced somewhere between git150 and
 git155
In-Reply-To: <20181110195420.17defd98@localhost>
References: <20181110152401.7e89c42c@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181110164905.3c87d6a1@localhost>
 <20181110175028.1bc21a2a@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181110175457.7e0218cb@localhost>
 <20181110180729.7dbc0f87@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181110195420.17defd98@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181110202046.6b6617f5@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 19:54:20 -0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

Hello Paul,

>That should be fixed now, git160.

I'm happy to confirm that it is.  Many thanks, Paul.

>thanks for the report,

You're welcome.

For my future reference, would you have preferred the bug report on
bugzilla?

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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
What the hell has this place done for me?
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From removed-gdpr at example.com  Sun Nov 11 09:50:50 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 10:50:50 +0200
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181110202608.7c0bd030@acer-suse.lan>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
 <20181110202608.7c0bd030@acer-suse.lan>
Message-ID: <20181111105050.07d264f8@localhost>

On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:26:08 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:

> As it says, you need to install Gtk3.pm
> 
> There don't appear to be any perl-gtk3 modules in
> the standard repositories for Leap 15.0 (evidently
> the maintainers share my own scepticism about the
> benefits of this latest, greatest 'improvement') so
> you'll need to search for it in a non-standard
> repository or else install it the perl way. i.e.
> cpan Gtk3 or cpanm Gtk3

Thanks for explaining Dave.

I find it quite awkward when one must "modify the
distro" (by including non-standard repos or other
external stuff).

Isn't there a way to build it with Gtk2 instead (as it
used to be so far)?

--
George


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 11 11:46:51 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 10:46:51 -0000
Subject: [Users] Odd behaviour introduced somewhere between git150 and
 git155
In-Reply-To: <20181110202046.6b6617f5@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20181110152401.7e89c42c@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181110164905.3c87d6a1@localhost>
 <20181110175028.1bc21a2a@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181110175457.7e0218cb@localhost>
 <20181110180729.7dbc0f87@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20181110195420.17defd98@localhost>
 <20181110202046.6b6617f5@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20181111104651.15cbf7a4@localhost>

On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:20:46 +0000
Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote: 

> For my future reference, would you have preferred the bug report on
> bugzilla?

When you use the git version and report breakage caused by a recent
(unreleased) change then, for me, reporting here is preferable. You
might then be asked to open a bug report, depending on time
restraints, but reporting here first is always a good move. imo.

with regards

Paul


From dave at howorth.org.uk  Sun Nov 11 12:30:37 2018
From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 11:30:37 +0000
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181111105050.07d264f8@localhost>
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 10:50:50 +0200
Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:26:08 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:
> 
> > As it says, you need to install Gtk3.pm
> > 
> > There don't appear to be any perl-gtk3 modules in
> > the standard repositories for Leap 15.0 (evidently
> > the maintainers share my own scepticism about the
> > benefits of this latest, greatest 'improvement') so
> > you'll need to search for it in a non-standard
> > repository or else install it the perl way. i.e.
> > cpan Gtk3 or cpanm Gtk3  
> 
> Thanks for explaining Dave.
> 
> I find it quite awkward when one must "modify the
> distro" (by including non-standard repos or other
> external stuff).
> 
> Isn't there a way to build it with Gtk2 instead (as it
> used to be so far)?

Hmm, pot calling kettle black? You're trying to build a non-standard
version of an application and complaining about it using non-standard
versions of libraries?

If you use the distro-supplied version of clawsker, you won't have this
problem.


From ricardo at mones.org  Sun Nov 11 12:44:49 2018
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 12:44:49 +0100
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181111105050.07d264f8@localhost>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
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Hi,

On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 10:50:50AM +0200, Removed GDPR wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:26:08 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:
> 
> > As it says, you need to install Gtk3.pm
> > 
> > There don't appear to be any perl-gtk3 modules in
> > the standard repositories for Leap 15.0 (evidently
> > the maintainers share my own scepticism about the
> > benefits of this latest, greatest 'improvement') so
> > you'll need to search for it in a non-standard
> > repository or else install it the perl way. i.e.
> > cpan Gtk3 or cpanm Gtk3
> 
> Thanks for explaining Dave.
> 
> I find it quite awkward when one must "modify the
> distro" (by including non-standard repos or other
> external stuff).
> 
> Isn't there a way to build it with Gtk2 instead (as it
> used to be so far)?

No, master branch has now switched to Perl-GTK3. If you want a GTK2
version stay with latest stable release (1.2).

Ask your distro to include Perl-GTK3, shouldn't be too difficult.

regards,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  00:45 < hammar> cool.. have you used rssyl?                          
  00:46 <@Ticho> um, yes                            Seen on #sylpheed

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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Sun Nov 11 12:09:45 2018
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 11:09:45 +0000
Subject: [Users] Odd behaviour introduced somewhere between git150 and
 git155
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 10:46:51 -0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

Hello Paul,

>When you use the git version and report breakage caused by a recent
>(unreleased) change then, for me, reporting here is preferable. You

That was my thinking.  IMO, GIT is really a work in progress.  Opening
bug reports just seems 'unfair' - without checking on the list first.

Thanks for confirming, Paul.  And again, thank you for the quick work
fixing the problem I was experiencing.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Let them go, set them free, let them be who they wanna be
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From removed-gdpr at example.com  Sun Nov 11 16:29:16 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 17:29:16 +0200
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181111113037.0b51b601@acer-suse.lan>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
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Message-ID: <20181111172916.531de58c@localhost>

On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 11:30:37 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 10:50:50 +0200
> Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com> wrote:

> > Isn't there a way to build it with Gtk2 instead
> > (as it used to be so far)?  
> 
> Hmm, pot calling kettle black? You're trying to
> build a non-standard version of an application and
> complaining about it using non-standard versions of
> libraries?

No, I am not doing that. What I am doing is asking the
question quoted above.

> If you use the distro-supplied version of clawsker,
> you won't have this problem.

But I will have other problems (as I did before
switching to building the software myself).

--
George


From removed-gdpr at example.com  Sun Nov 11 16:37:07 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 17:37:07 +0200
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181111114449.xz52kdnwhkquzyy5@busgosu>
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Message-ID: <20181111173707.563f86c0@localhost>

On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 12:44:49 +0100 Ricardo Mones wrote:

> Ask your distro to include Perl-GTK3, shouldn't be
> too difficult.

Asking is not difficult but my experience shows that
openSUSE are not very interested in providing new
software versions (even if they are stable). I will
try though.

--
George


From dave at howorth.org.uk  Sun Nov 11 17:17:35 2018
From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 16:17:35 +0000
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181111173707.563f86c0@localhost>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 17:37:07 +0200
Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 12:44:49 +0100 Ricardo Mones wrote:
> 
> > Ask your distro to include Perl-GTK3, shouldn't be
> > too difficult.  
> 
> Asking is not difficult but my experience shows that
> openSUSE are not very interested in providing new
> software versions (even if they are stable). I will
> try though.

There appears to be only one perl-gtk3 module in any repository for any
version of openSUSE. Just an experimental perl-Gtk3-Helper for
Tumbleweed. So I would agree with your assessment of the likelihood.

As I said before, just install it from CPAN. It's quite safe and easy.


From removed-gdpr at example.com  Sun Nov 11 18:47:12 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 19:47:12 +0200
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181111161735.47706b1d@acer-suse.lan>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
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Message-ID: <20181111194712.40162679@localhost>

On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 16:17:35 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:

> As I said before, just install it from CPAN. It's
> quite safe and easy.

I am hesitant to do that as I read there is no
'uninstall' after installing (at least not easily) and
I have no experience with Perl and its intricacies.

--
George


From ticho at claws-mail.org  Sun Nov 11 19:07:55 2018
From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 19:07:55 +0100
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181111194712.40162679@localhost>
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Message-ID: <20181111190755.5134dd6b@penny>

On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 19:47:12 +0200
Removed GDPR wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 16:17:35 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:
> 
> > As I said before, just install it from CPAN. It's
> > quite safe and easy.  
> 
> I am hesitant to do that as I read there is no
> 'uninstall' after installing (at least not easily) and
> I have no experience with Perl and its intricacies.

So make an RPM package, using specfile from some other Perl module as a
guide. Perl modules are mostly very uniform and well-behaved when it
comes to building and installation - perl Makefile.pl, make, make install)

Regards,
-- 
Andrej
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From 7703632265 at comcast.net  Sun Nov 11 19:50:32 2018
From: 7703632265 at comcast.net (Lavert)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 13:50:32 -0500
Subject: [Users] Queue
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Clicking on send email produces the error "could not queue".

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From dave at howorth.org.uk  Sun Nov 11 21:12:04 2018
From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 20:12:04 +0000
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 19:07:55 +0100
Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 19:47:12 +0200
> Removed GDPR wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 16:17:35 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:
> >   
> > > As I said before, just install it from CPAN. It's
> > > quite safe and easy.    
> > 
> > I am hesitant to do that as I read there is no
> > 'uninstall' after installing (at least not easily) and
> > I have no experience with Perl and its intricacies.  
> 
> So make an RPM package, using specfile from some other Perl module as
> a guide. Perl modules are mostly very uniform and well-behaved when it
> comes to building and installation - perl Makefile.pl, make, make
> install)

No, no, no!

I said it was SAFE and EASY.

$ # install
$ cpanm Gtk3

$ # uninstall
$ cpanm -U Gtk3

I confess I had to look the last one up (man cpanm), because I have
never needed to use it. Even if a perl module is completely broken, it
does no harm to have it on your system. Perl automatically installs
them in a safe place, where they have no effect unless you use them.


From usenet at karmasailing.uk  Sun Nov 11 21:22:55 2018
From: usenet at karmasailing.uk (Bob Williams)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 20:22:55 +0000
Subject: [Users] Queue
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 13:50:32 -0500
"Lavert" <7703632265 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Clicking on send email produces the error "could not queue".
> 

You will need to supply more details. What kind of account? IMAP or POP? Which version of Claws-Mail? Which operating system?

-- 
Bob Williams

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From removed-gdpr at example.com  Sun Nov 11 21:26:35 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:26:35 +0200
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 19:07:55 +0100 Andrej Kacian wrote:

> So make an RPM package, using specfile from some
> other Perl module as a guide.

Why would I do that? I am not going to redistribute
the software (+ I don't even know how to create RPM).
I just build it for one particular machine and put it
in /opt.

On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 20:12:04 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:

> I said it was SAFE and EASY.
> 
> $ # install
> $ cpanm Gtk3
> 
> $ # uninstall
> $ cpanm -U Gtk3
> 
> I confess I had to look the last one up (man cpanm),
> because I have never needed to use it. Even if a
> perl module is completely broken, it does no harm to
> have it on your system. Perl automatically installs
> them in a safe place, where they have no effect
> unless you use them.

Thanks for this info. Need I do all this as root? Or
would it be better to do it as user? (considering I
run clawsker as user)

BTW if anyone else is interested about the openSUSE
report on this:

https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1115549

--
George


From dave at howorth.org.uk  Sun Nov 11 21:43:35 2018
From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 20:43:35 +0000
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:26:35 +0200
Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 19:07:55 +0100 Andrej Kacian wrote:
> 
> > So make an RPM package, using specfile from some
> > other Perl module as a guide.  
> 
> Why would I do that? I am not going to redistribute
> the software (+ I don't even know how to create RPM).
> I just build it for one particular machine and put it
> in /opt.
> 
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 20:12:04 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:
> 
> > I said it was SAFE and EASY.
> > 
> > $ # install
> > $ cpanm Gtk3
> > 
> > $ # uninstall
> > $ cpanm -U Gtk3
> > 
> > I confess I had to look the last one up (man cpanm),
> > because I have never needed to use it. Even if a
> > perl module is completely broken, it does no harm to
> > have it on your system. Perl automatically installs
> > them in a safe place, where they have no effect
> > unless you use them.  
> 
> Thanks for this info. Need I do all this as root? Or
> would it be better to do it as user? (considering I
> run clawsker as user)

If you install it as root then it is available to all users. If you
install it as a user then it is only available to that user. So your
choice depending on your circumstances. If you want to get really
clever, you can use perlbrew or local::lib to have multiple different
perl environments for each user, but I would suggest that is a massive
overkill for your situation.

If you haven't used cpanm before, you'll probably get asked various
questions about mirrors etc. Just take the defaults or offer sensible
answers if you know them. You won't break anything.

> BTW if anyone else is interested about the openSUSE
> report on this:
> 
> https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1115549

Thanks for the link. perl-Gtk3 doesn't show up in a search, but I
expect Andreas knows better than me. I don't much care what perl
modules are in the distro.


From lbickley at bickleywest.com  Sun Nov 11 22:04:39 2018
From: lbickley at bickleywest.com (Lyle Bickley)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 13:04:39 -0800
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181111201204.1d78e0e5@acer-suse.lan>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
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Message-ID: <20181111130439.6fc5b17f@asrock>

Hi Dave,

On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 20:12:04 +0000
Dave Howorth <dave at howorth.org.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 19:07:55 +0100
> Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 19:47:12 +0200
> > Removed GDPR wrote:
> >   
> > > On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 16:17:35 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:
> > >     
> > > > As I said before, just install it from CPAN. It's
> > > > quite safe and easy.      
> > > 
> > > I am hesitant to do that as I read there is no
> > > 'uninstall' after installing (at least not easily) and
> > > I have no experience with Perl and its intricacies.    
> > 
> > So make an RPM package, using specfile from some other Perl module
> > as a guide. Perl modules are mostly very uniform and well-behaved
> > when it comes to building and installation - perl Makefile.pl,
> > make, make install)  
> 
> No, no, no!
> 
> I said it was SAFE and EASY.
> 
> $ # install
> $ cpanm Gtk3
> 
> $ # uninstall
> $ cpanm -U Gtk3

I'm running OpenSUSE lean 15.0 and installed Gtk3 per your guidance
above. The install went perfectly.

However, when I run clawsker I now get the following:
-------------------------------------------------------------------
./clawsker

(clawsker:5453): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:68:35:
The style property GtkButton:child-displacement-x is deprecated and
shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version

(clawsker:5453): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:69:35:
The style property GtkButton:child-displacement-y is deprecated and
shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version

(clawsker:5453): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:70:34:
The style property GtkCheckButton:indicator-size is deprecated and
shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version

(clawsker:5453): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:71:36:
The style property GtkCheckMenuItem:indicator-size is deprecated and
shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version

(clawsker:5453): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:73:46:
The style property GtkScrolledWindow:scrollbars-within-bevel is
deprecated and shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a
future version

(clawsker:5453): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:76:30:
The style property GtkExpander:expander-size is deprecated and
shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version

(clawsker:5453): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:83:29:
The style property GtkStatusbar:shadow-type is deprecated and shouldn't
be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version Undefined
subroutine &Gtk3::major_version called at ./clawsker line 2391.
lpb at asrock:~/clawsker/clawsker-10306eb> 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
--snip--

Here's more details on my system:

System Information
GTK+ 2.24.32 / GLib 2.54.3
Locale: C (charset: US-ASCII)
Operating System: Linux 4.12.14-lp150.12.22-default (x86_64)

Cheers,
Lyle
-- 
73   NM6Y
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
http://bickleywest.com

"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"


From removed-gdpr at example.com  Sun Nov 11 22:43:23 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 23:43:23 +0200
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181111204335.3ffa223f@acer-suse.lan>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
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 <20181111105050.07d264f8@localhost>
 <20181111114449.xz52kdnwhkquzyy5@busgosu>
 <20181111173707.563f86c0@localhost>
 <20181111161735.47706b1d@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181111194712.40162679@localhost> <20181111190755.5134dd6b@penny>
 <20181111201204.1d78e0e5@acer-suse.lan>
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Message-ID: <20181111234323.1e346b42@localhost>

On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 20:43:35 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:

> You won't break anything.

OK, not trying to be clever but rather to work safely
(as a user) and following the directions given by the
command in my first attempts to `cpanm Gtk3` I reached
this point which tells me:

! Configure failed for Glib-Object-Introspection-0.046. See /home/████/.cpanm/work/1541971185.305/build.log for details.

Here is the full console output:

https://susepaste.org/09c1c5b1

and the build.log:

https://susepaste.org/658fdcb3

I understand it is possible to use `--force` but I
would rather hope not to have failures than forcing
through them (which doesn't seem to help anyway).

Also trying to uninstall gives some other errors and
actually files remain in the created structure:

https://susepaste.org/3e2a938f

This kind of justifies my concerns that doing it all
that as a root and thus modifying (content of) system
(sub)directories may not be quite safe and clean way to
do things.

What do you say?

--
George


From dave at howorth.org.uk  Mon Nov 12 01:25:47 2018
From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 00:25:47 +0000
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181111234323.1e346b42@localhost>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
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 <20181111114449.xz52kdnwhkquzyy5@busgosu>
 <20181111173707.563f86c0@localhost>
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 23:43:23 +0200
Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 20:43:35 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:
> 
> > You won't break anything.  
> 
> OK, not trying to be clever but rather to work safely
> (as a user) and following the directions given by the
> command in my first attempts to `cpanm Gtk3` I reached
> this point which tells me:
> 
> ! Configure failed for Glib-Object-Introspection-0.046.
> See /home/████/.cpanm/work/1541971185.305/build.log for details.
> 
> Here is the full console output:
> 
> https://susepaste.org/09c1c5b1
> 
> and the build.log:
> 
> https://susepaste.org/658fdcb3
> 
> I understand it is possible to use `--force`

I would never use force.

It is claiming that you do not have gobject-introspection. Is that
correct? You can check in YaST or use some zypper command or other and
then install it if necessary with the same tool.

FWIW, I do have gobject-introspection installed for whatever reason and
Gtk3.pm installs cleanly.

> but I
> would rather hope not to have failures than forcing
> through them (which doesn't seem to help anyway).
> 
> Also trying to uninstall gives some other errors and
> actually files remain in the created structure:
> 
> https://susepaste.org/3e2a938f
> 
> This kind of justifies my concerns that doing it all
> that as a root and thus modifying (content of) system
> (sub)directories may not be quite safe and clean way to
> do things.
>
> What do you say?

Well, you haven't made a clean installation yet, so it's perhaps not
entirely surprising you don't get a clean uninstall.

But whilst I understand your paranoia, I can only repeat that you would
not damage anything if you were to repeat the installation as root,
whether it was successful or not. If you care to understand, you can
examine the paths used by modules installed by the system as compared
with those installed from CPAN, even as root.


From mykhyggz at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 01:26:28 2018
From: mykhyggz at gmail.com (Michael Higgins)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 16:26:28 -0800
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181111234323.1e346b42@localhost>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
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Message-ID: <20181111162628.39587493@lappytoppy>

On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 23:43:23 +0200
Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com> wrote:

> OK, not trying to be clever but rather to work safely
> (as a user) and following the directions given by the
> command in my first attempts to `cpanm Gtk3` I reached
> this point which tells me:


-> FAIL Installing the dependencies failed: Module
'Glib::Object::Introspection' is not installed

That is the failure that bails the entire installation. Very safe, that.

Anyway, if you can get that one module installed, it seems the package
would build and install.

https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/openSUSE:Leap:15.0:Update/perl-Glib-Object-Introspection

... seems promising.

HTH,

-- 
  |\  /|        |   |          ~ ~
  | \/ |        |---|          `|` ?
  |    |ichael  |   |iggins    \^ / 
     mykhyggz[at]gmail[dot]com      


From ricardo at mones.org  Mon Nov 12 02:06:22 2018
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:06:22 +0100
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181111130439.6fc5b17f@asrock>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
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Message-ID: <20181112020622.058b1c98@busgosu>

On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 13:04:39 -0800
Lyle Bickley <lbickley at bickleywest.com> wrote:

> (clawsker:5453): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:83:29:
> The style property GtkStatusbar:shadow-type is deprecated and shouldn't
> be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version 

These are theme warnings detected upon initialization of GTK3, nothing do do
with clawsker.

> Undefined subroutine &Gtk3::major_version called at ./clawsker line 2391.

This is fixed now in git ;-) thanks for testing!

regards,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.          Carl Sagan



From lbickley at bickleywest.com  Mon Nov 12 06:30:13 2018
From: lbickley at bickleywest.com (Lyle Bickley)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 21:30:13 -0800
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181112020622.058b1c98@busgosu>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
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 <20181111105050.07d264f8@localhost>
 <20181111114449.xz52kdnwhkquzyy5@busgosu>
 <20181111173707.563f86c0@localhost>
 <20181111161735.47706b1d@acer-suse.lan>
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Message-ID: <20181111213013.3f868a90@asrock>

Hi Ricardo,

Just retested with OpenSUSE Leap 15.0 w/GTK3 and latest clawsker GIT
Sun, 11 Nov 2018 17:02:52 -0800 (02:02 +0100):

clawsker runs w/o issues

Best,
Lyle

Claws Mail
version 3.17.0git160
System Information
GTK+ 2.24.32 / GLib 2.54.3
Locale: C (charset: US-ASCII)
Operating System: Linux 4.12.14-lp150.12.22-default (x86_64)

------------------------------------------------------------

On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:06:22 +0100
Ricardo Mones <ricardo at mones.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 13:04:39 -0800
> Lyle Bickley <lbickley at bickleywest.com> wrote:
> 
> > (clawsker:5453): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:83:29:
> > The style property GtkStatusbar:shadow-type is deprecated and
> > shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version   
> 
> These are theme warnings detected upon initialization of GTK3,
> nothing do do with clawsker.
> 
> > Undefined subroutine &Gtk3::major_version called at ./clawsker line
> > 2391.  
> 
> This is fixed now in git ;-) thanks for testing!
> 
> regards,



-- 
73   NM6Y
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
http://bickleywest.com

"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"


From removed-gdpr at example.com  Mon Nov 12 13:50:54 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:50:54 +0200
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181112002547.42be4050@acer-suse.lan>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
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 <20181111105050.07d264f8@localhost>
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Message-ID: <20181112145054.38e6216f@localhost>

On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 00:25:47 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:

> It is claiming that you do not have
> gobject-introspection. Is that correct? You can
> check in YaST or use some zypper command or other
> and then install it if necessary with the same tool.
> 
> FWIW, I do have gobject-introspection installed for
> whatever reason and Gtk3.pm installs cleanly.

OK. I have installed both (the first one seemed not
needed but anyway):

gobject-introspection-1.54.1-lp150.2.10.x86_64
perl-Glib-Object-Introspection-0.042-lp150.1.3.x86_64

Now cpanm complains that version is 0.042:

-> FAIL Installing the dependencies failed: Installed version (0.042) of Glib::Object::Introspection is not in range '0.043'

Here is the full build.log:

https://susepaste.org/3c640cfd

> But whilst I understand your paranoia, I can only
> repeat that you would not damage anything if you
> were to repeat the installation as root, whether it
> was successful or not. If you care to understand,
> you can examine the paths used by modules installed
> by the system as compared with those installed from
> CPAN, even as root.

Paranoia is a mental disorder with fear related to
delusions. It is not a delusion that modifying the
distro and making it depend on externals makes
everything difficult to maintain long term. So such
modifications and complications create disorder
themselves. So I hope you would understand that what I
am trying to do is to preserve order, rather than
"fix" it as root, keep track of what that did etc. :)

--
George


From h.m.brand at xs4all.nl  Mon Nov 12 14:19:45 2018
From: h.m.brand at xs4all.nl (H.Merijn Brand)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:19:45 +0100
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181112145054.38e6216f@localhost>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
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 <20181111114449.xz52kdnwhkquzyy5@busgosu>
 <20181111173707.563f86c0@localhost>
 <20181111161735.47706b1d@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181111194712.40162679@localhost> <20181111190755.5134dd6b@penny>
 <20181111201204.1d78e0e5@acer-suse.lan>
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Message-ID: <20181112141945.19f398a3@pc09.procura.nl>

On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:50:54 +0200, Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 00:25:47 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:
> 
> > It is claiming that you do not have
> > gobject-introspection. Is that correct? You can
> > check in YaST or use some zypper command or other
> > and then install it if necessary with the same tool.
> > 
> > FWIW, I do have gobject-introspection installed for
> > whatever reason and Gtk3.pm installs cleanly.  
> 
> OK. I have installed both (the first one seemed not
> needed but anyway):
> 
> gobject-introspection-1.54.1-lp150.2.10.x86_64
> perl-Glib-Object-Introspection-0.042-lp150.1.3.x86_64
> 
> Now cpanm complains that version is 0.042:
> 
> -> FAIL Installing the dependencies failed: Installed version (0.042) of Glib::Object::Introspection is not in range '0.043'  
> 
> Here is the full build.log:
> 
> https://susepaste.org/3c640cfd

The current version of Gtk3 (0.034) requires
Glib::Object::Introspection version 0.043 (see
https://metacpan.org/source/XAOC/Gtk3-0.034/META.json)
--8<---
   "prereqs" : {
      "configure" : {
         "requires" : {
            "ExtUtils::MakeMaker" : "0"
            }
         },
      "runtime" : {
         "requires" : {
            "Cairo::GObject" : "1.000",
            "Carp" : "0",
            "Exporter" : "0",
            "Glib::Object::Introspection" : "0.043",
            "Test::Simple" : "0.96"
            }
         }
      },
-->8---

The last version of Gtk3 that still runs on older version of
introspection is release 0.032:
https://metacpan.org/source/XAOC/Gtk3-0.032/META.json
--8<---
         "requires" : {
            "Cairo::GObject" : "1.000",
            "Carp" : "0",
            "Exporter" : "0",
            "Glib::Object::Introspection" : "0.016",
            "Test::Simple" : "0.96"
            }
-->8---

So, with what you have, you could try

# cpanm XAOC/Gtk3-0.032.tar.gz

> > But whilst I understand your paranoia, I can only
> > repeat that you would not damage anything if you
> > were to repeat the installation as root, whether it
> > was successful or not. If you care to understand,
> > you can examine the paths used by modules installed
> > by the system as compared with those installed from
> > CPAN, even as root.  
> 
> Paranoia is a mental disorder with fear related to
> delusions. It is not a delusion that modifying the
> distro and making it depend on externals makes
> everything difficult to maintain long term. So such
> modifications and complications create disorder
> themselves. So I hope you would understand that what I
> am trying to do is to preserve order, rather than
> "fix" it as root, keep track of what that did etc. :)
> 
> --
> George


-- 
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From dave at howorth.org.uk  Mon Nov 12 16:13:06 2018
From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 15:13:06 +0000
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:50:54 +0200
Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 00:25:47 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:
> 
> > It is claiming that you do not have
> > gobject-introspection. Is that correct? You can
> > check in YaST or use some zypper command or other
> > and then install it if necessary with the same tool.
> > 
> > FWIW, I do have gobject-introspection installed for
> > whatever reason and Gtk3.pm installs cleanly.  
> 
> OK. I have installed both (the first one seemed not
> needed but anyway):

No, wrong. The first one IS needed, as I said. The second one is the
system-provided version of the perl package, which as you have now
discovered is too old to build the module that you want.
 
> gobject-introspection-1.54.1-lp150.2.10.x86_64
> perl-Glib-Object-Introspection-0.042-lp150.1.3.x86_64
> 
> Now cpanm complains that version is 0.042:
> 
> -> FAIL Installing the dependencies failed: Installed version (0.042)
> of Glib::Object::Introspection is not in range '0.043'  

So remove the system-installed version of Glib::Object::Introspection
and then try cpanm Gtk3 again.

[Note: I don't understand why cpanm didn't install the new version as
well, since there won't be any conflict, but I can't be bothered
investigating the reason.]

> Here is the full build.log:
> 
> https://susepaste.org/3c640cfd
> 
> > But whilst I understand your paranoia, I can only
> > repeat that you would not damage anything if you
> > were to repeat the installation as root, whether it
> > was successful or not. If you care to understand,
> > you can examine the paths used by modules installed
> > by the system as compared with those installed from
> > CPAN, even as root.  
> 
> Paranoia is a mental disorder with fear related to
> delusions. It is not a delusion that modifying the
> distro and making it depend on externals makes
> everything difficult to maintain long term.

Sorry, my use of 'paranoia' was idiomatic and evidently does not
translate well.

Actually, taking the decision to install all perl modules directly from
CPAN and to ignore the old and sometimes buggy versions provided by the
distro has made my life simpler and easier for many years. Mixing the
two methods does make life more complicated and difficult, I agree.

> So such
> modifications and complications create disorder
> themselves. So I hope you would understand that what I
> am trying to do is to preserve order, rather than
> "fix" it as root, keep track of what that did etc. :)


From removed-gdpr at example.com  Mon Nov 12 16:50:39 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:50:39 +0200
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181112151306.72c4696b@acer-suse.lan>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:19:45 +0100 H.Merijn Brand
wrote:

> So, with what you have, you could try
> 
> # cpanm XAOC/Gtk3-0.032.tar.gz

Tried. The result is on the link below.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 15:13:06 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:

> No, wrong. The first one IS needed, as I said. The
> second one is the system-provided version of the
> perl package, which as you have now discovered is
> too old to build the module that you want.

I don't know what you mean by "system-provided". I
installed both manually (from the official repos),
i.e. nothing was provided out of the box or by the
default installation.

> So remove the system-installed version of
> Glib::Object::Introspection and then try cpanm Gtk3
> again.

OK. I followed your and H.Merijn Brand's advice
but unfortunately the result is the same:

https://files.invalid.tld/2018-11-12-cpanm-3.txt

--
George


From h.m.brand at xs4all.nl  Mon Nov 12 17:28:10 2018
From: h.m.brand at xs4all.nl (H.Merijn Brand)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:28:10 +0100
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181112175039.430d6307@localhost>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
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 <20181111105050.07d264f8@localhost>
 <20181111114449.xz52kdnwhkquzyy5@busgosu>
 <20181111173707.563f86c0@localhost>
 <20181111161735.47706b1d@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181111194712.40162679@localhost> <20181111190755.5134dd6b@penny>
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:50:39 +0200, Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 14:19:45 +0100 H.Merijn Brand
> wrote:
> 
> > So, with what you have, you could try
> > 
> > # cpanm XAOC/Gtk3-0.032.tar.gz  
> 
> Tried. The result is on the link below.
> 
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 15:13:06 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:
> 
> > No, wrong. The first one IS needed, as I said. The
> > second one is the system-provided version of the
> > perl package, which as you have now discovered is
> > too old to build the module that you want.  
> 
> I don't know what you mean by "system-provided". I
> installed both manually (from the official repos),
> i.e. nothing was provided out of the box or by the
> default installation.
> 
> > So remove the system-installed version of
> > Glib::Object::Introspection and then try cpanm Gtk3
> > again.  
> 
> OK. I followed your and H.Merijn Brand's advice
> but unfortunately the result is the same:

Oké, but our advices, though both valid and sane, should not be mixed

My proposition was to use an older version of Gtk3 to match the system
installed introspection stuff. As you first tried Dave's solution, you
uninstalled the system stuff, and thereby removed the situation my
advice was based on.

Dave's advice was to install from scratch giving you the newest
versions.

> https://files.invalid.tld/2018-11-12-cpanm-3.txt

As you now uninstalled the system stuff, and you have run several cpanm
commands using local::lib, your ~/perl5/lib/perl5/ might now contain
stuff that mismatches your expectations.

On my openSUSE-42.3 I use a non-system perl-5.24.1, and typing

 $ cpan Gtk3

worked like a charm.

Then I took clawsker-1.0.2, changed all Gtk2:: to Gtk3::, split the now
unsupported new_with_markup into new + set_markup, and stopped trying
after

utf8 "\xB4" does not map to Unicode at ./clawsker line 2493, <RCF> line 699.
utf8 "\xA9" does not map to Unicode at ./clawsker line 2493, <RCF> line 699.
utf8 "\xAE" does not map to Unicode at ./clawsker line 2493, <RCF> line 699.
Can't locate object method "sensitive" via package "Gtk3::SpinButton" at ./clawsker line 571.

Commenting out the two sensitive lines for the spinbutton caused

utf8 "\xB4" does not map to Unicode at ./clawsker line 2493, <RCF> line 699.
utf8 "\xA9" does not map to Unicode at ./clawsker line 2493, <RCF> line 699.
utf8 "\xAE" does not map to Unicode at ./clawsker line 2493, <RCF> line 699.
`Behaviour' is not of type Gtk3::Widget at /pro/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.24.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi-ld/Glib/Object/Introspection.pm line 67.

no more time to dig deeper. I'll stick to the Gtk2 version

> George

-- 
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From removed-gdpr at example.com  Mon Nov 12 18:00:09 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 19:00:09 +0200
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:28:10 +0100 H.Merijn Brand
wrote:

> Oké, but our advices, though both valid and sane,
> should not be mixed

Actually I tried your advice first (before proceeding
with Dave's) and the result was the same as before. In
what I pasted I simply repeated the step you suggested
*again* after following Dave's advise, just to see if
the result would be different. It wasn't.

> My proposition was to use an older version of Gtk3
> to match the system installed introspection stuff.
> As you first tried Dave's solution, you uninstalled
> the system stuff, and thereby removed the situation
> my advice was based on.

I still don't know what you guys mean by "system
installed". I install everything manually. The system
does not install anything itself, so this is quite
confusing for me.

To test things with the opposite combination I removed
gobject-introspection and installed
perl-Glib-Object-Introspection.

Then I ran:

$ rm -rf ~/.cpanm/ ~/perl5/
$ cpanm XAOC/Gtk3-0.032.tar.gz

which gave:

! Installing XAOC/Gtk3-0.032.tar.gz failed.

Here is the full output:

https://files.invalid.tld/2018-11-12-cpanm-4.txt

> As you now uninstalled the system stuff, and you
> have run several cpanm commands using local::lib,
> your ~/perl5/lib/perl5/ might now contain stuff that
> mismatches your expectations.

So far I have run command #1 from above before each
attempt. If that is wrong please suggest a procedure
which I should try.

> On my openSUSE-42.3 I use a non-system perl-5.24.1,
> and typing
> 
>  $ cpan Gtk3
> 
> worked like a charm.

I am on Leap 15.0 here and using
perl-5.26.1-lp150.6.3.1.x86_64. Not sure if that
matters.

> Then I took clawsker-1.0.2, changed all Gtk2:: to
> Gtk3::, split the [...]
> no more time to dig deeper. I'll stick to the Gtk2
> version

You are a Perl expert and you obviously know what you
are doing but as of this moment I know neither how to
use Gtk3 for the needs of clawsker, nor how to "stick
to the Gtk2 version" (which I was actually asking for
in my second message in this thread).

--
George


From dave at howorth.org.uk  Mon Nov 12 18:41:43 2018
From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:41:43 +0000
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 19:00:09 +0200
Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:28:10 +0100 H.Merijn Brand
> wrote:
> 
> > Oké, but our advices, though both valid and sane,
> > should not be mixed  
> 
> Actually I tried your advice first (before proceeding
> with Dave's) and the result was the same as before. In
> what I pasted I simply repeated the step you suggested
> *again* after following Dave's advise, just to see if
> the result would be different. It wasn't.

My suggestion is to remove all the perl stuff you just installed (i.e.
rm -r the directories). Then start the installation again and follow my
suggestions, suitably adapted hopefully by yourself to be in the
correct order so things progress smoothly and without errors.

> I still don't know what you guys mean by "system
> installed".

System installed in this context is another piece of idiom, meaning
packages in the normal openSUSE format installed from the openSUSE
repositories using an openSUSE-supplied tool.

As opposed to installing perl modules from CPAN using cpanm (or cpan,
a traditional older but similar tool, but please just stick to one of
them)
 
> You are a Perl expert and you obviously know what you
> are doing but as of this moment I know neither how to
> use Gtk3 for the needs of clawsker, nor how to "stick
> to the Gtk2 version" (which I was actually asking for
> in my second message in this thread).

No, you asked how to build a Gtk2 version of the latest clawsker
source. Not how to build an older Gtk2 version.


From h.m.brand at xs4all.nl  Mon Nov 12 18:57:35 2018
From: h.m.brand at xs4all.nl (H.Merijn Brand)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 18:57:35 +0100
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 19:00:09 +0200, Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:28:10 +0100 H.Merijn Brand
> wrote:
> 
> > Oké, but our advices, though both valid and sane,
> > should not be mixed  
> 
> Actually I tried your advice first (before proceeding
> with Dave's) and the result was the same as before. In
> what I pasted I simply repeated the step you suggested
> *again* after following Dave's advise, just to see if
> the result would be different. It wasn't.
> 
> > My proposition was to use an older version of Gtk3
> > to match the system installed introspection stuff.
> > As you first tried Dave's solution, you uninstalled
> > the system stuff, and thereby removed the situation
> > my advice was based on.  
> 
> I still don't know what you guys mean by "system
> installed". I install everything manually. The system
> does not install anything itself, so this is quite
> confusing for me.

System installed perl is what is installed through the package system,
in case of openSUSE, that is zypper

$ rpm -qf /usr/bin/perl
perl-base-5.26.1-lp150.6.3.1.x86_64

The core perl comes with its own set of basic modules:

$ rpm -ql perl-base-5.26.1-lp150.6.3.1.x86_64 | grep '\.pm$' | wc -l
93

but zypper offers a whole lot more

$ zypper se perl- | grep ' perl-' | wc -l
1334

With "just" 246 out of those installed

$ zypper se -i perl- | wc -l
246

You see the increase of .pm files:

$ find /usr/lib/perl5/ -name \*.pm | wc -l
5108

That is system perl. Now compare to my personal perl farm

$ find /pro/lib/perl5 -name \*.pm | wc -l
107650

(I know, a bit insane)

> To test things with the opposite combination I removed
> gobject-introspection and installed
> perl-Glib-Object-Introspection.
> 
> Then I ran:
> 
> $ rm -rf ~/.cpanm/ ~/perl5/
> $ cpanm XAOC/Gtk3-0.032.tar.gz
> 
> which gave:
> 
> ! Installing XAOC/Gtk3-0.032.tar.gz failed.
> 
> Here is the full output:
> 
> https://files.invalid.tld/2018-11-12-cpanm-4.txt

File not found

> > As you now uninstalled the system stuff, and you
> > have run several cpanm commands using local::lib,
> > your ~/perl5/lib/perl5/ might now contain stuff that
> > mismatches your expectations.  
> 
> So far I have run command #1 from above before each
> attempt. If that is wrong please suggest a procedure
> which I should try.
> 
> > On my openSUSE-42.3 I use a non-system perl-5.24.1,
> > and typing
> > 
> >  $ cpan Gtk3
> > 
> > worked like a charm.  
> 
> I am on Leap 15.0 here and using
> perl-5.26.1-lp150.6.3.1.x86_64. Not sure if that
> matters.

No, it doesn't

System perl:
$ /usr/bin/perl -v
This is perl 5, version 26, subversion 1 (v5.26.1) built for x86_64-linux-thread-multi

My perl:
$ /pro/bin/perl -v
This is perl 5, version 28, subversion 0 (v5.28.0) built for x86_64-linux-thread-multi-ld

Note that on openSUSE 42.3 and 15.0 perl-Gtk3 is not available (yet).
But you w=found that earlier in this thread

$ zypper se perl-gtk
Loading repository data...
Reading installed packages...

S  | Name                           | Summary                                               | Type
---+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------------------+-----------
i+ | perl-Gtk2                      | Perl interface to the 2.x series of the GTK+ library  | package
   | perl-Gtk2-AppIndicator         | Perl interface to the libappindicator                 | package
i+ | perl-Gtk2-Ex-FormFactory       | Makes building complex GUI's easy                     | package
   | perl-Gtk2-Ex-FormFactory       | Makes building complex GUI's easy                     | srcpackage
   | perl-Gtk2-GladeXML             | Create user interfaces directly from Glade XML files  | package
   | perl-Gtk2-GladeXML             | Create user interfaces directly from Glade XML files  | srcpackage
   | perl-Gtk2-GladeXML-debuginfo   | Debug information for package perl-Gtk2-GladeXML      | package
   | perl-Gtk2-GladeXML-debugsource | Debug sources for package perl-Gtk2-GladeXML          | package
   | perl-Gtk2-ImageView            | Perl bindings to the GtkImageView image viewer widget | package
   | perl-Gtk2-Notify               | Perl interface to libnotify                           | package
   | perl-Gtk2-Notify               | Perl interface to libnotify                           | srcpackage
   | perl-Gtk2-Notify-debuginfo     | Debug information for package perl-Gtk2-Notify        | package
   | perl-Gtk2-Notify-debugsource   | Debug sources for package perl-Gtk2-Notify            | package
   | perl-Gtk2-TrayIcon             | Perl interface to the EggTrayIcon library             | package
   | perl-Gtk2-TrayIcon             | Perl interface to the EggTrayIcon library             | srcpackage
   | perl-Gtk2-TrayIcon-debuginfo   | Debug information for package perl-Gtk2-TrayIcon      | package
   | perl-Gtk2-TrayIcon-debugsource | Debug sources for package perl-Gtk2-TrayIcon          | package
   | perl-Gtk2-Unique               | Perl bindings for the C library "libunique"           | package
   | perl-Gtk2-Unique               | Perl bindings for the C library "libunique"           | srcpackage
   | perl-Gtk2-WebKit               | Web content engine library for Gtk2                   | package
   | perl-Gtk2-WebKit               | Web content engine library for Gtk2                   | srcpackage
   | perl-Gtk2-WebKit-debuginfo     | Debug information for package perl-Gtk2-WebKit        | package
   | perl-Gtk2-WebKit-debugsource   | Debug sources for package perl-Gtk2-WebKit            | package

> > Then I took clawsker-1.0.2, changed all Gtk2:: to
> > Gtk3::, split the [...]
> > no more time to dig deeper. I'll stick to the Gtk2
> > version  
> 
> You are a Perl expert and you obviously know what you
> are doing but as of this moment I know neither how to
> use Gtk3 for the needs of clawsker, nor how to "stick
> to the Gtk2 version" (which I was actually asking for
> in my second message in this thread).

Stick to the 1.2.0 version: (I accidentally said 1.0.2 in my previous
post), visit https://www.claws-mail.org/clawsker.php to check the most
recent version

$ wget https://www.claws-mail.org/tools/clawsker-1.2.0.tar.xz
$ xz -d < clawsker-1.2.0.tar.xz | tar xf -
$ cd clawsker-1.2.0
$ perl ./clawsker

This needs Gtk2, which my perl had not installed (yet). As my perl is
my perl, I just installed that

$ cpan Gtk2

that also installed Cairo and Pango, and

$ perl ./clawsker ran fine

(with one warning on my 15.0 box:

Argument "3.15.0.28" isn't numeric in subroutine entry at clawsker line 562.

To show what modules it actually used I used Devel::TraceUse

$ perl -d:TraceUse ./clawsker
Argument "3.15.0.28" isn't numeric in subroutine entry at ./clawsker line 562.
Modules used from ./clawsker:
   1.  strict 1.11, ./clawsker line 18 [main]
   2.  utf8 1.21, ./clawsker line 19 [main]
   3.  version 0.9924, ./clawsker line 20 [main]
   4.    warnings::register 1.04, version.pm line 6
   5.      warnings 1.42, warnings/register.pm line 4
   6.    version::vxs 0.9924, version.pm line 18 (eval 1)
   7.      XSLoader 0.30, version/vxs.pm line 12
   8.    version::regex 0.9924, version.pm line 62
   9.  Glib 1.328, ./clawsker line 21 [main]
  10.    Exporter 5.73, Glib.pm line 26
  24.      Exporter::Heavy 5.73, Exporter.pm line 16
  11.    constant 1.33, Glib.pm line 43
  12.    overload 1.30, Glib.pm line 89 [Glib::Flags]
  13.      overloading 0.02, overload.pm line 81
  14.    Carp 1.50, Glib.pm line 111 [Glib::Object::Property]
  15.    vars 1.04, Glib.pm line 192 [Glib::Object::_LazyLoader]
  16.    DynaLoader 1.45, Glib.pm line 27
  17.      Config 5.028000, DynaLoader.pm line 22
  18.  Gtk2 1.24992, ./clawsker line 22 [main]
  19.    Pango 1.227, Gtk2.pm line 31
  20.      Cairo 1.106, Pango.pm line 27 (eval 6)
  21.    POSIX 1.84, Gtk2.pm line 108
  22.      Fcntl 1.13, POSIX.pm line 17
  23.      Tie::Hash 1.05, POSIX.pm line 505 [POSIX::SigRt]
  25.  Locale::gettext 1.07, ./clawsker line 24 [main]
  26.    Encode 2.98, Locale/gettext.pm line 43
  27.      Encode::Alias 2.24, Encode.pm line 52
  28.      Encode::MIME::Name 1.03, Encode.pm line 53
  29.      Storable 3.11, Encode.pm line 55
  30.        Log::Agent, Storable.pm line 47 (FAILED)
  31.        Storable::Limit, Storable.pm line 35
  32.      parent 0.237, Encode.pm line 305 [Encode::UTF_EBCDIC]
  33.        Encode::Encoding 2.08, parent.pm line 16
  34.      bytes 1.06, Encode.pm line 368 [Encode::utf8]
  35.      Encode::Config 2.05, Encode.pm line 60
  36.      Encode::ConfigLocal, Encode.pm line 69 (FAILED)
  37.  Digest::MD5 2.55, ./clawsker line 26 [main]
  38.    Digest::base 1.16, Digest/MD5.pm line 13
  39.  Getopt::Long 2.5, ./clawsker line 27 [main]
  40.  PerlIO 1.10, ./clawsker line 15 [main]
  41.    PerlIO::encoding 0.26, PerlIO.pm line 22

> George

-- 
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using perl5.00307 .. 5.29   porting perl5 on HP-UX, AIX, and openSUSE
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From removed-gdpr at example.com  Mon Nov 12 19:12:15 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 20:12:15 +0200
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 18:57:35 +0100 H.Merijn Brand
wrote:

> > https://files.invalid.tld/2018-11-12-cpanm-4.txt  
> 
> File not found

Sorry, there was a typo. Try again please.

> Stick to the 1.2.0 version: [...]

I can do that. But in the past it happened so that if
I find and report some issue it turns out the devs and
I are looking at different versions which was one of
the reasons for which I switched to building CM and
Clawsker myself (rather than using those provided by
openSUSE). The other one was: Git versions work better.

--
George


From removed-gdpr at example.com  Mon Nov 12 19:12:12 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 20:12:12 +0200
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:41:43 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:

> My suggestion is to remove all the perl stuff you
> just installed (i.e. rm -r the directories).

I do this every time = after each email I receive from
you guys.

> Then start the installation again and follow my
> suggestions, suitably adapted hopefully by yourself
> to be in the correct order so things progress
> smoothly and without errors.

I already did that. Please let me know if I have done
something wrong and what should be the correct one.

> System installed [...]

Thanks for clarifying.

> As opposed to installing perl modules from CPAN
> using cpanm (or cpan, a traditional older but
> similar tool, but please just stick to one of them)

OK. Here is an attempt in which:

1. I removed the "system-installed" introspection
packages.

2. rm -rf ~/.cpanm/ ~/perl5/

3. Tried again the same cpanm commands

Result:

-> FAIL Installing the dependencies failed: Module 'Glib::Object::Introspection' is not installed

Full output:

https://files.invalid.tld/2018-11-12-cpanm-5.txt

--
George


From dave at howorth.org.uk  Mon Nov 12 20:58:10 2018
From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 19:58:10 +0000
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 20:12:12 +0200
Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:41:43 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:
> 
> > My suggestion is to remove all the perl stuff you
> > just installed (i.e. rm -r the directories).  
> 
> I do this every time = after each email I receive from
> you guys.
> 
> > Then start the installation again and follow my
> > suggestions, suitably adapted hopefully by yourself
> > to be in the correct order so things progress
> > smoothly and without errors.  
> 
> I already did that. Please let me know if I have done
> something wrong and what should be the correct one.
> 
> > System installed [...]  
> 
> Thanks for clarifying.
> 
> > As opposed to installing perl modules from CPAN
> > using cpanm (or cpan, a traditional older but
> > similar tool, but please just stick to one of them)  
> 
> OK. Here is an attempt in which:
> 
> 1. I removed the "system-installed" introspection
> packages.
> 
> 2. rm -rf ~/.cpanm/ ~/perl5/
> 
> 3. Tried again the same cpanm commands
> 
> Result:
> 
> -> FAIL Installing the dependencies failed: Module
> 'Glib::Object::Introspection' is not installed  
> 
> Full output:
> 
> https://files.invalid.tld/2018-11-12-cpanm-5.txt

And again you have the same error as you started with, because you did
not re-order my suggestions to suit your current situation, given what
we now know about it. So you have to follow the next step in my original
suggestions.

You have to think for yourself.

And as before, do not mix my suggestions with those of Merijn.


From removed-gdpr at example.com  Mon Nov 12 21:45:24 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 22:45:24 +0200
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181112195810.7e164cfd@acer-suse.lan>
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 19:58:10 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:

> And again you have the same error as you started
> with, because you did not re-order my suggestions to
> suit your current situation, given what we now know
> about it. So you have to follow the next step in my
> original suggestions.

Your original suggestion was to do everything as root
and that everything would be safe and easy. Nothing to
reorder there as it was only 1 step. But we already
clarified why I prefer not to do it as root.

Then you said that gobject-introspection was needed
and the other package was not. So I followed that and
the result is in:

https://files.invalid.tld/2018-11-12-cpanm-3.txt

There are really only 3 steps in all that:

1. rm -rf ~/.cpanm/ ~/perl5/ (not shown on the link)

2. cpanm --local-lib=~/perl5 local::lib && eval $(perl -I ~/perl5/lib/perl5/ -Mlocal::lib)

3. cpanm Gtk3

> And as before, do not mix my suggestions with those
> of Merijn.

It was not really a mix, just one more step #4 per
Merijn's suggestion (which doesn't influence the
failure in step #3).

> You have to think for yourself.

I have already tested all the 4 possible combinations
of the 2 system packages and the steps are always the
same. I can't think of anything else, so it would be
helpful if you can provide the steps you followed to
install Gtk3 as user, like I am showing what I do and
what the result is. Hopefully without idioms and
references, to avoid further confusion :)

--
George


From h.m.brand at xs4all.nl  Tue Nov 13 09:12:02 2018
From: h.m.brand at xs4all.nl (H.Merijn Brand)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 09:12:02 +0100
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181112201215.37f92def@localhost>
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 20:12:15 +0200, Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 18:57:35 +0100 H.Merijn Brand
> wrote:
> 
> > > https://files.invalid.tld/2018-11-12-cpanm-4.txt    
> > 
> > File not found  
> 
> Sorry, there was a typo. Try again please.
> 
> > Stick to the 1.2.0 version: [...]  
> 
> I can do that. But in the past it happened so that if
> I find and report some issue it turns out the devs and
> I are looking at different versions which was one of
> the reasons for which I switched to building CM and
> Clawsker myself (rather than using those provided by
> openSUSE). The other one was: Git versions work better.

Ok, let's rewind ...

https://www.claws-mail.org/clawsker.php ships 1.2.0 as latest version:
https://www.claws-mail.org/tools/clawsker-1.2.0.tar.xz which still uses
Gtk2, which should work on your system

The repo https://git.claws-mail.org/?p=clawsker.git has 1.2.0 as latest
tag (2 month ago) and there is no other current branch than master

The switch to Gtk3 was made on 10-11-2018 (two days ago) in commit 81c8d:
https://git.claws-mail.org/?p=clawsker.git;a=commit;h=81c8d99f9f131e00475f9b1d9e069288aac8be31
and that has not yet been released. The commits immediately after that
one fix all of the issues I encountered in previous posts.

I understand that you want to help the devs in staying as close as
possible, but in this case, the git repo is obviously work-in-progress

On the other side, I just typed

$ cpan Gtk3

which worked fine on my openSUSE 15.0 and with my own perl
(/pro/bin/perl instead of /usr/bin/perl) and then clawsker from git
started as intended, but way more noisier than the Gtk2 version

On *your* system, it doesn't work, because prerequisites cannot be met:

> Then you said that gobject-introspection was needed
> and the other package was not. So I followed that and
> the result is in:
> 
> https://files.invalid.tld/2018-11-12-cpanm-3.txt

[/tmp/download]: cpanm Gtk3
--> Working on Gtk3
Fetching http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/X/XA/XAOC/Gtk3-0.034.tar.gz ... OK
Configuring Gtk3-0.034 ... OK
==> Found dependencies: Glib::Object::Introspection, Cairo::GObject
--> Working on Glib::Object::Introspection
Fetching http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/X/XA/XAOC/Glib-Object-Introspection-0.046.tar.gz ... OK
Configuring Glib-Object-Introspection-0.046 ... N/A
! Configure failed for Glib-Object-Introspection-0.046. See /home/████/.cpanm/work/1542036596.13751/build.log for details.

which prevents the rest of the installation. I suggest you red the
messages in .cpanm/work/1542036596.13751/build.log for more details,
as cpanm kindly tells you to do

continuing with the alternative approach won't get you much further

With Gtk3 installed, I get

$ perl clawsker

(clawsker:18199): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:68:35: The style property GtkButton:child-displacement-x is deprecated and shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version
(clawsker:18199): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:69:35: The style property GtkButton:child-displacement-y is deprecated and shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version
(clawsker:18199): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:70:34: The style property GtkCheckButton:indicator-size is deprecated and shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version
(clawsker:18199): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:71:36: The style property GtkCheckMenuItem:indicator-size is deprecated and shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version
(clawsker:18199): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:73:46: The style property GtkScrolledWindow:scrollbars-within-bevel is deprecated and shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version
(clawsker:18199): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:76:30: The style property GtkExpander:expander-size is deprecated and shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version
(clawsker:18199): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:83:29: The style property GtkStatusbar:shadow-type is deprecated and shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version

Argument "3.15.0.28" isn't numeric in subroutine entry at /pro/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.28.0/x86_64-linux-thread-multi-ld/Glib/Object/Introspection.pm line 67.


Note: these Gtk-messaged are caused by the settings in
/usr/share/themes/Breeze/gtk-3.20/gtk.css which is installed from
gtk3-metatheme-breeze-5.12.6-lp150.2.3.1.noarch - nothing to do with
clawsker and that should be fixed in a next release of Breeze. I
commented out the deprecated lines in that file and I now just have
that last warning.

The code where the warning is generated in Glib::Object::Introspection
is horrible: the use else after return, which IMHO shows a lack of
programming capabilities. There should never be an else after an
if-block that ends the scope: return/exit/die/croak/throw

http://tux.nl/Files/20181113085508.png

Meanwhile, I suggest you either stick to the Gtk2 version, as that is
supported by your system's installed packages or read the feedback of
cpanm and fix the prerequisites. This process will show you exactly
where things turn nasty and what packages you might be missing in order
to get stuff running. I *think* you need to install one more system package

$ y2 se -i introspect
Loading repository data...
Reading installed packages...

S | Name                        | Summary                                 | Type
--+-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------+--------
i | gobject-introspection       | GObject Introspection Tools             | package
i | gobject-introspection-devel | GObject Introspection Development Files | package

do you have installed gobject-introspection-devel ? I bet not.

$ rpm -q gobject-introspection gobject-introspection-devel
gobject-introspection-1.54.1-lp150.2.10.x86_64
gobject-introspection-devel-1.54.1-lp150.2.10.x86_64

-- 
H.Merijn Brand  http://tux.nl   Perl Monger  http://amsterdam.pm.org/
using perl5.00307 .. 5.29   porting perl5 on HP-UX, AIX, and openSUSE
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From removed-gdpr at example.com  Tue Nov 13 09:50:02 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 10:50:02 +0200
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 09:12:02 +0100 H.Merijn Brand
wrote:

> do you have installed gobject-introspection-devel ?
> I bet not.

That's it! Thanks :)

I didn't have the "-devel" package because nobody said
I had to. So I had only gobject-introspection in my
previous test.

Now everything works as you explained.
Thanks again!

--
George


From removed-gdpr at example.com  Tue Nov 13 10:23:15 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 11:23:15 +0200
Subject: [Users] --disable-ipv6
Message-ID: <20181113112315.26fb12d1@localhost>

Hi,

In /etc/sysctl.conf I have:

net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1

Should I also use --disable-ipv6 when building Claws?

--
George


From ticho at claws-mail.org  Tue Nov 13 18:19:56 2018
From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 18:19:56 +0100
Subject: [Users] --disable-ipv6
In-Reply-To: <20181113112315.26fb12d1@localhost>
References: <20181113112315.26fb12d1@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181113181956.45a14fbe@penny>

On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 11:23:15 +0200
Removed GDPR wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> In /etc/sysctl.conf I have:
> 
> net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1
> 
> Should I also use --disable-ipv6 when building Claws?

It's not really necessary. With IPv6 support enabled, Claws Mail will
use IPv6 where it is appropriate - e.g. if server DNS resolution returns
an IPv6 address as first result, and the local system has IPv6
connectivity.

If your system does not have any IPv6 capability, that simply means
IPv4 is always used, because it is never appropriate to use IPv6.

Disabling this option during configure simply means that use of IPv4 is
forced even in case where an IPv6 connection is possible.

HTH,
-- 
Andrej
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From removed-gdpr at example.com  Tue Nov 13 18:33:14 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 19:33:14 +0200
Subject: [Users] --disable-ipv6
In-Reply-To: <20181113181956.45a14fbe@penny>
References: <20181113112315.26fb12d1@localhost> <20181113181956.45a14fbe@penny>
Message-ID: <20181113193314.33dfe260@localhost>

Thanks for explaining.

On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 18:19:56 +0100 Andrej Kacian wrote:

> Disabling this option during configure simply means
> that use of IPv4 is forced even in case where an
> IPv6 connection is possible.

Does that imply that if there is only IPv6 connection
available it will still be used, i.e. regardless of
the build using --disable-ipv6?

Also: Wouldn't it be more appropriate to have an
option in preferences to control all this?

--
George


From ticho at claws-mail.org  Tue Nov 13 20:07:10 2018
From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 20:07:10 +0100
Subject: [Users] --disable-ipv6
In-Reply-To: <20181113193314.33dfe260@localhost>
References: <20181113112315.26fb12d1@localhost> <20181113181956.45a14fbe@penny>
 <20181113193314.33dfe260@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181113200710.488fe15c@penny>

On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 19:33:14 +0200
Removed GDPR wrote:

> Thanks for explaining.
> 
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 18:19:56 +0100 Andrej Kacian wrote:
> 
> > Disabling this option during configure simply means
> > that use of IPv4 is forced even in case where an
> > IPv6 connection is possible.  
> 
> Does that imply that if there is only IPv6 connection
> available it will still be used, i.e. regardless of
> the build using --disable-ipv6?

No, if IPv6 is disabled, anything IPv6 is skipped or ignored in
evaluation of what to do.

> Also: Wouldn't it be more appropriate to have an
> option in preferences to control all this?

Probably, yes. In the past, it had to be a configure option because
different code was needed for DNS resolution for IPv6 and IPv4, but we
unified it since, and now it could be a runtime option.

Perhaps something for a low-priority TODO list, or for some new
contributor to cut their teeth on. :)

Regards,
-- 
Andrej
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From removed-gdpr at example.com  Tue Nov 13 21:13:48 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 22:13:48 +0200
Subject: [Users] --disable-ipv6
In-Reply-To: <20181113200710.488fe15c@penny>
References: <20181113112315.26fb12d1@localhost> <20181113181956.45a14fbe@penny>
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Message-ID: <20181113221348.16b30a72@localhost>

On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 20:07:10 +0100 Andrej Kacian wrote:

> No, if IPv6 is disabled, anything IPv6 is skipped or
> ignored in evaluation of what to do.

Thanks for explaining.

> Perhaps something for a low-priority TODO list, or
> for some new contributor to cut their teeth on. :)

:)

--
George


From eagirard at cox.net  Wed Nov 14 14:00:07 2018
From: eagirard at cox.net (Ed Ahlsen-Girard)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 07:00:07 -0600
Subject: [Users] Live.com problem
Message-ID: <20181114070007.540f73ef@cox.net>

My outlook.com address has failed to retrieve since 11/10:

Error
Can't connect to IMAP server: imap-mail.outlook.com:993

Settings unchanged for years.

-- 

Edward Ahlsen-Girard
Ft Walton Beach, FL




From mir at miras.org  Wed Nov 14 14:24:43 2018
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 14:24:43 +0100
Subject: [Users] Live.com problem
In-Reply-To: <20181114070007.540f73ef@cox.net>
References: <20181114070007.540f73ef@cox.net>
Message-ID: <e3ed37bb-bf34-4eee-8497-c00ef2865269@miras.org>


Which version of Claws? Works here.
⁣Sendt af BlueMail ​

Den 14. nov. 2018 14.00, fra 14.00, Ed Ahlsen-Girard <eagirard at cox.net> skrev:
>My outlook.com address has failed to retrieve since 11/10:
>
>Error
>Can't connect to IMAP server: imap-mail.outlook.com:993
>
>Settings unchanged for years.
>
>-- 
>
>Edward Ahlsen-Girard
>Ft Walton Beach, FL
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Users mailing list
>Users at lists.claws-mail.org
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From eagirard at cox.net  Thu Nov 15 05:12:38 2018
From: eagirard at cox.net (Ed Ahlsen-Girard)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 22:12:38 -0600
Subject: [Users] Live.com problem
In-Reply-To: <20181114070007.540f73ef@cox.net>
References: <20181114070007.540f73ef@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20181114221238.23769b09@cox.net>

version 3.17.1 on OpenBSD snapshot of 13 November 2018.

> Which version of Claws? Works here.
> ⁣Sendt af BlueMail ​
> 
> Den 14. nov. 2018 14.00, fra 14.00, Ed Ahlsen-Girard <eagirard at
> cox.net> skrev:
> >My outlook.com address has failed to retrieve since 11/10:
> >
> >Error
> >Can't connect to IMAP server: imap-mail.outlook.com:993
> >
> >Settings unchanged for years.
> >
> >-- 
> >
> >Edward Ahlsen-Girard
> >Ft Walton Beach, FL
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Users mailing list
> >Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> >https://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users


From mir at miras.org  Thu Nov 15 07:37:38 2018
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 07:37:38 +0100
Subject: [Users] Live.com problem
In-Reply-To: <20181114221238.23769b09@cox.net>
References: <20181114070007.540f73ef@cox.net> <20181114221238.23769b09@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20181115073738.0f5028ba@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 22:12:38 -0600
Ed Ahlsen-Girard <eagirard at cox.net> wrote:

> version 3.17.1 on OpenBSD snapshot of 13 November 2018.
> 
Then you would have to provide more info like running claws with option
--debug and send output to the list.

-- 
Hilsen/Regards
Michael Rasmussen

Get my public GnuPG keys:
michael <at> rasmussen <dot> cc
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E
mir <at> datanom <dot> net
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C
mir <at> miras <dot> org
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 15 10:43:07 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 09:43:07 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4120] New: New cert files are created in $HOME instead
 of in ~/.claws-mail/certs
Message-ID: <bug-4120-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4120

            Bug ID: 4120
           Summary: New cert files are created in $HOME instead of in
                    ~/.claws-mail/certs
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: GIT
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: major
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com

Change noticed after commit b040d141d67d2fccf9e0fe56443edbfa3244ba13.

STR:

1. [OPTIONAL] rm $HOME/.claws-mail/certs/*
2. Restart CM
3. Check email

EXPECTED:

New certs should be created in $HOME/.claws-mail/certs/

ACTUAL:

New cert files are created in $HOME dir with file names like:

_home_<current_username>_.claws-mail_certs_imap.<domain>.com.993.cert


/opt/claws-mail/bin/claws-mail -V
Claws Mail version 3.17.0-166-gb040d1
runtime GTK+ 2.24.32 / GLib 2.54.3
buildtime GTK+ 2.24.32 / GLib 2.54.3
Compiled-in features:
 compface
 Enchant
 GnuTLS
 IPv6
 iconv
 LDAP
 libetpan 1.8
 libSM
 librSVG 2.42.3

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 15 11:04:32 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:04:32 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4120] New cert files are created in $HOME instead of
 in ~/.claws-mail/certs
In-Reply-To: <bug-4120-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4120-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4120-595-uYEoGiX9GF@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4120

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED
           Severity|major                       |normal

--- Comment #1 from users at lists.claws-mail.org ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://git.claws-mail.org/

++ ChangeLog    2018-11-15 10:57:04.434556805 +0100
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=85f10a0e2c357bb2d67cd41891aa06a7af818b49
Author: Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net>
Date:   Thu Nov 15 10:56:23 2018 +0100

    Fix bug #4120, "New cert files are created in $HOME instead  of in
~/.claws-mail/certs"

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 15 11:36:45 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:36:45 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4120] New cert files are created in $HOME instead of
 in ~/.claws-mail/certs
In-Reply-To: <bug-4120-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4120-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4120-595-o02VcLJ8Py@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4120

--- Comment #2 from Removed after GDPR request <removed-gdpr at example.com> ---
That was quick!
Thanks :)

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 15 11:42:10 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:42:10 -0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4120] New cert files are created in $HOME instead
 of in ~/.claws-mail/certs
In-Reply-To: <bug-4120-595-o02VcLJ8Py@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4120-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-4120-595-o02VcLJ8Py@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20181115104210.0f7cff92@localhost>

George,

let me draw your attention to this thread, (starting here):

https://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2018-November/023205.html



From lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net  Thu Nov 15 14:02:17 2018
From: lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net (Richard)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 13:02:17 +0000
Subject: [Users] Live.com problem
In-Reply-To: <20181115073738.0f5028ba@sleipner.datanom.net>
References: <20181114070007.540f73ef@cox.net> <20181114221238.23769b09@cox.net>
 <20181115073738.0f5028ba@sleipner.datanom.net>
Message-ID: <0964C2F6F2C603AB79DAD770@ritz.innovate.net>



> Date: Thursday, November 15, 2018 07:37:38 +0100
> From: Michael Rasmussen <mir at miras.org>
>
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 22:12:38 -0600
> Ed Ahlsen-Girard <eagirard at cox.net> wrote:
> 
>> version 3.17.1 on OpenBSD snapshot of 13 November 2018.
>> 
> Then you would have to provide more info like running claws with
> option --debug and send output to the list.

Or ... simply try telnetting to:

  imap-mail.outlook.com 993

as a first step and see what happens. The error message you are
showing is vague and your issue could be dns/firewall/routing, in
which case you'll get a hang or error message of some type in
response to the telnet. If it's not a network-related problem you
should get something like:

   Trying <ipnumber>...
   Connected to imap-mail.outlook.com.
   Escape character is '^]'.

in which case the --debug output is the next step.




From 7703632265 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 15 21:56:54 2018
From: 7703632265 at comcast.net (LAVERT Y BRYANT)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 15:56:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Users] Remove From Users Lists.
Message-ID: <229311490.697416.1542315414875@connect.xfinity.com>

Please remove me from claws mail user list. I uninstalled the program and don't need to receive email from users list.
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From myetto at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 22:08:58 2018
From: myetto at gmail.com (Michael A. Yetto)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 16:08:58 -0500
Subject: [Users] Remove From Users Lists.
In-Reply-To: <229311490.697416.1542315414875@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <229311490.697416.1542315414875@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <20181115160858.1c3ad5e8@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet>

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 15:56:54 -0500 (EST)
LAVERT Y BRYANT <7703632265 at comcast.net> writes, and having writ moves
on:

>Please remove me from claws mail user list. I uninstalled the program
>and don't need to receive email from users list.

Check the headers of any email you ever received from the list and you
will find the instructions you need.

Mike Yetto
-- 
"Is it not better to place a question mark upon a problem while seeking
an answer than to put the label "God" there and consider the matter
solved?"
 - Joseph Lewis
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From eagirard at cox.net  Fri Nov 16 03:48:50 2018
From: eagirard at cox.net (Ed Ahlsen-Girard)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:48:50 -0600
Subject: [Users] Live.com problem
Message-ID: <20181115204850.78ba78ea@cox.net>

> > Date: Thursday, November 15, 2018 07:37:38 +0100
> > From: Michael Rasmussen <mir at miras.org>
> >
> > On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 22:12:38 -0600
> > Ed Ahlsen-Girard <eagirard at cox.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> version 3.17.1 on OpenBSD snapshot of 13 November 2018.
> >> 
> > Then you would have to provide more info like running claws with
> > option --debug and send output to the list.
> 
> Or ... simply try telnetting to:
> 
>   imap-mail.outlook.com 993
> 
> as a first step and see what happens. The error message you are
> showing is vague and your issue could be dns/firewall/routing, in
> which case you'll get a hang or error message of some type in
> response to the telnet. If it's not a network-related problem you
> should get something like:
> 
>    Trying <ipnumber>...
>    Connected to imap-mail.outlook.com.
>    Escape character is '^]'.
> 
> in which case the --debug output is the next step.

Telnet connected fine. Sample debug output below:

map-thread.c:446:found imap 0x1d27f3a72d00
[20:39:51] IMAP> 23 STATUS "[Gmail]/Sent Mail" (MESSAGES UIDNEXT UIDVALIDITY UNS
[20:39:51] IMAP< * STATUS "[Gmail]/Sent Mail" (MESSAGES 50 UIDNEXT 51 UIDVALIDIT
[20:39:51] IMAP< 23 OK Success 
imap-thread.c:1062:imap status run - end 0
imap-thread.c:462:generic_cb
imap-thread.c:446:found imap 0x1d27f3a72d00
imap-thread.c:1102:imap status - end
imap.c:4874:exists 50, item->item.total_msgs 50
        unseen 0, item->item.unread_msgs 0
        uid_next 51, item->uid_next 51
        uid_val 628018833, item->item.mtime 628018833
imap.c:539:unlocking session 0x1d283d816000
imap.c:4826:getting session...
imap.c:526:locking session 0x1d283d816000 (0)
imap.c:3790:using separator: /
imap-thread.c:1073:imap status - begin
imap-thread.c:446:found imap 0x1d27f3a72d00
imap-thread.c:446:found imap 0x1d27f3a72d00
[20:39:51] IMAP> 24 STATUS "[Gmail]/Spam" (MESSAGES UIDNEXT UIDVALIDITY UNSEEN) 
[20:39:51] IMAP< * STATUS "[Gmail]/Spam" (MESSAGES 10 UIDNEXT 789 UIDVALIDITY 62
[20:39:51] IMAP< 24 OK Success 
imap-thread.c:1062:imap status run - end 0
imap-thread.c:462:generic_cb
imap-thread.c:446:found imap 0x1d27f3a72d00
imap-thread.c:1102:imap status - end
imap.c:4874:exists 10, item->item.total_msgs 10
        unseen 10, item->item.unread_msgs 10
        uid_next 789, item->uid_next 789
        uid_val 628018830, item->item.mtime 628018830
imap.c:539:unlocking session 0x1d283d816000
imap.c:4826:getting session...
imap.c:526:locking session 0x1d283d816000 (0)
imap.c:3790:using separator: /
imap-thread.c:1073:imap status - begin
imap-thread.c:446:found imap 0x1d27f3a72d00
imap-thread.c:446:found imap 0x1d27f3a72d00
[20:39:51] IMAP> 25 STATUS "[Gmail]/Starred" (MESSAGES UIDNEXT UIDVALIDITY UNSEE
[20:39:51] IMAP< * STATUS "[Gmail]/Starred" (MESSAGES 23 UIDNEXT 28 UIDVALIDITY 
[20:39:51] IMAP< 25 OK Success 
imap-thread.c:1062:imap status run - end 0
imap-thread.c:462:generic_cb
imap-thread.c:446:found imap 0x1d27f3a72d00
imap-thread.c:1102:imap status - end
imap.c:4874:exists 23, item->item.total_msgs 23
        unseen 0, item->item.unread_msgs 0
        uid_next 28, item->uid_next 28
        uid_val 628018831, item->item.mtime 628018831

imap.c:526:locking session 0x1d283d816000 (0)
imap.c:3790:using separator: /
imap-thread.c:1073:imap status - begin
imap-thread.c:446:found imap 0x1d27f3a72d00
imap-thread.c:446:found imap 0x1d27f3a72d00
[20:39:51] IMAP> 26 STATUS "[Gmail]/Trash" (MESSAGES UIDNEXT UIDVALIDITY UNSEEN) 
[20:39:51] IMAP< * STATUS "[Gmail]/Trash" (MESSAGES 0 UIDNEXT 120 UIDVALIDITY 628018829 UNSEEN 0) 
[20:39:51] IMAP< 26 OK Success 
imap-thread.c:1062:imap status run - end 0
imap-thread.c:462:generic_cb
imap-thread.c:446:found imap 0x1d27f3a72d00
imap-thread.c:1102:imap status - end
imap.c:4874:exists 0, item->item.total_msgs 0
        unseen 0, item->item.unread_msgs 0
        uid_next 120, item->uid_next 120
        uid_val 628018829, item->item.mtime 628018829
imap.c:539:unlocking session 0x1d283d816000
folderview.c:1233:called inc_unlock (lock count 0)
inc.c:359:INC: checking account 4
folderview.c:1160:called inc_lock (lock count 1)
imap.c:4826:getting session...
** Message: 20:39:51.815: Account 'Live.com': Connecting to IMAP server: imap-mail.outlook.com:993...

imap-thread.c:446:found imap 0x1d2855a3c700
imap-thread.c:672:deleting old imap 0x1d2855a3c700
imap-thread.c:563:threaded delete imap posted
imap-thread.c:446:found imap 0x1d2807e51d00
imap-thread.c:462:generic_cb
imap-thread.c:446:found imap 0x1d2807e51d00
imap-thread.c:701:connect 43 with imap 0x1d2807e51d00

** (claws-mail:24024): WARNING **: 20:39:51.968: [20:39:51] SSL/TLS handshake failed

alertpanel.c:253:Creating alert panel dialog...
alertpanel.c:211:called inc_lock (lock count 2)
imap.c:526:locking session 0x1d283d816000 (0)
imap-thread.c:1149:imap noop - begin
imap-thread.c:446:found imap 0x1d27f3a72d00
imap-thread.c:446:found imap 0x1d27f3a72d00
[20:40:41] IMAP> 27 NOOP 
imap-thread.c:1135:imap noop run - end 4
imap-thread.c:462:generic_cb
imap-thread.c:446:found imap 0x1d27f3a72d00
imap-thread.c:1176:imap noop - end [EXISTS 0 RECENT 0 EXPUNGE 0 UNSEEN 0 UIDNEXT 0 UIDVAL 0]

** (claws-mail:24024): WARNING **: 20:40:41.081: [20:40:41] IMAP error on imap.gmail.com: stream error


** (claws-mail:24024): WARNING **: 20:40:41.081: [20:40:41] IMAP connection broken

imap.c:4153:noop err 4
imap.c:539:unlocking session 0x1d283d816000



From mir at miras.org  Fri Nov 16 07:41:51 2018
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 07:41:51 +0100
Subject: [Users] Live.com problem
In-Reply-To: <20181115204850.78ba78ea@cox.net>
References: <20181115204850.78ba78ea@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20181116074151.15c3d636@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:48:50 -0600
Ed Ahlsen-Girard <eagirard at cox.net> wrote:

> ** (claws-mail:24024): WARNING **: 20:39:51.968: [20:39:51] SSL/TLS
> handshake failed
Above is your error. If you were able to get any meaningful back using
telnet which is plain text then it could indicate that the server does
not speak SSL over port 993 as one could expect.

Instead of telnet try openssl s_client to verify that SSL is infact
working.

-- 
Hilsen/Regards
Michael Rasmussen

Get my public GnuPG keys:
michael <at> rasmussen <dot> cc
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E
mir <at> datanom <dot> net
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C
mir <at> miras <dot> org
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917
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From edodd at billiau.net  Fri Nov 16 09:49:41 2018
From: edodd at billiau.net (Liz)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 19:49:41 +1100
Subject: [Users] Remove From Users Lists.
In-Reply-To: <20181115160858.1c3ad5e8@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet>
References: <229311490.697416.1542315414875@connect.xfinity.com>
 <20181115160858.1c3ad5e8@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet>
Message-ID: <20181116194941.093ac890@billiau.net>

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 16:08:58 -0500
"Michael A. Yetto" <myetto at gmail.com> wrote:

> >Please remove me from claws mail user list. I uninstalled the program
> >and don't need to receive email from users list.  
> 
> Check the headers of any email you ever received from the list and you
> will find the instructions you need.

On another mailing list I saw a wonderful reply to a similar query from
a psychologist

It started
"There are some things in life you have to do for yourself."

Liz


From removed-gdpr at example.com  Fri Nov 16 10:07:45 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 11:07:45 +0200
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181113091202.7ed8d4a1@pc09.procura.nl>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
 <20181110202608.7c0bd030@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181111105050.07d264f8@localhost>
 <20181111114449.xz52kdnwhkquzyy5@busgosu>
 <20181111173707.563f86c0@localhost>
 <20181111161735.47706b1d@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181111194712.40162679@localhost> <20181111190755.5134dd6b@penny>
 <20181111201204.1d78e0e5@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181111222635.69b5e783@localhost>
 <20181111204335.3ffa223f@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181111234323.1e346b42@localhost>
 <20181112002547.42be4050@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181112145054.38e6216f@localhost>
 <20181112151306.72c4696b@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181112175039.430d6307@localhost>
 <20181112172810.1584a979@pc09.procura.nl>
 <20181112190009.6073475a@localhost>
 <20181112185735.546a900f@pc09.procura.nl>
 <20181112201215.37f92def@localhost>
 <20181113091202.7ed8d4a1@pc09.procura.nl>
Message-ID: <20181116110745.696b3c9b@localhost>

I have just cloned from git latest source and built
clawsker and it happened again: trying to start the
program complained about Gtk3.pm although it was
installed previously as discussed:

https://susepaste.org/a57b45c6

As seen in the paste, after re-running the 2 cpanm
commands the program starts.

Do I have to redo this after each build?

--
George


From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Fri Nov 16 10:17:59 2018
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:17:59 +0100
Subject: [Users] Remove From Users Lists.
In-Reply-To: <20181116194941.093ac890@billiau.net>
References: <229311490.697416.1542315414875@connect.xfinity.com>
 <20181115160858.1c3ad5e8@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet>
 <20181116194941.093ac890@billiau.net>
Message-ID: <20181116101759.0ff7a362@utnubu>

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 19:49:41 +1100, Liz wrote:
>On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 16:08:58 -0500
>"Michael A. Yetto" <myetto at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >Please remove me from claws mail user list. I uninstalled the
>> >program and don't need to receive email from users list.    
>> 
>> Check the headers of any email you ever received from the list and
>> you will find the instructions you need.  
>
>On another mailing list I saw a wonderful reply to a similar query from
>a psychologist
>
>It started
>"There are some things in life you have to do for yourself."

Most psychologist are incompetent, completely unable to help their
clients. This is a good example how a psychologist does miss reasons
for a "problem", since psychologists usually claim that "problems" don't
exist. Just calling a "problem" a "task" the client needs to do do is
idiotic.

Perhaps the OP already tried to unsubscribe by the address mentioned by
the footer or by following the header via the Claws menu

  Message > Mailing-List > Unsubscribe

before the OP removed Claws.

Did the OP  send a message with an empty body, but the subject

  unsubscribe

to
  
  users-request at lists.claws-mail.org

?

Does it require a confirmation and if so are confirmation request
emails moved to a providers spam folder?

If unsubscribing by an email shouldn't work, a temporarily workaround
could be to send a mail without a subject, but message body

  set authenticate THE_OP's_PASSWORD
  set delivery off

to

  users-request at lists.claws-mail.org

JFTR _not_ to

  users at lists.claws-mail.org

so the OP at least wouldn't receive emails anymore.

Perhaps the OP already did this, maybe not. Maybe the OP should have
sent a better phrased request to the mailing list. However, a
psychologist should know better, then just ridicule somebody.

Regards,
Ralf



From h.m.brand at xs4all.nl  Fri Nov 16 10:22:27 2018
From: h.m.brand at xs4all.nl (H.Merijn Brand)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:22:27 +0100
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181116110745.696b3c9b@localhost>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
 <20181110202608.7c0bd030@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181111105050.07d264f8@localhost>
 <20181111114449.xz52kdnwhkquzyy5@busgosu>
 <20181111173707.563f86c0@localhost>
 <20181111161735.47706b1d@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181111194712.40162679@localhost> <20181111190755.5134dd6b@penny>
 <20181111201204.1d78e0e5@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181111222635.69b5e783@localhost>
 <20181111204335.3ffa223f@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181111234323.1e346b42@localhost>
 <20181112002547.42be4050@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181112145054.38e6216f@localhost>
 <20181112151306.72c4696b@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181112175039.430d6307@localhost>
 <20181112172810.1584a979@pc09.procura.nl>
 <20181112190009.6073475a@localhost>
 <20181112185735.546a900f@pc09.procura.nl>
 <20181112201215.37f92def@localhost>
 <20181113091202.7ed8d4a1@pc09.procura.nl>
 <20181116110745.696b3c9b@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181116102227.59ff9ba9@pc09.procura.nl>

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 11:07:45 +0200, Removed GDPR <removed-gdpr at example.com>
wrote:

> I have just cloned from git latest source and built
> clawsker and it happened again: trying to start the
> program complained about Gtk3.pm although it was
> installed previously as discussed:
> 
> https://susepaste.org/a57b45c6

You installed Gtk3 in your local lib, but that is not available in your
default environment:

Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Gtk3 module) (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.26.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.26.1 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.26.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.26.1 /usr/lib/perl5/5.26.1/x86_64-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.26.1 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl) at /opt/clawsker/bin/clawsker line 22.

I suggest setting up $PERL5LIB in ~/.profile, ~/.bashrc or ~/.tcshrc
(whatever shell you are using) and add your local lib, something like

see https://metacpan.org/pod/local::lib for more information:

export PERL5LIB=$HOME/perl5/lib/perl5

> As seen in the paste, after re-running the 2 cpanm
> commands the program starts.
> 
> Do I have to redo this after each build?
> 
> --
> George

-- 
H.Merijn Brand  http://tux.nl   Perl Monger  http://amsterdam.pm.org/
using perl5.00307 .. 5.29   porting perl5 on HP-UX, AIX, and openSUSE
http://mirrors.develooper.com/hpux/        http://www.test-smoke.org/
http://qa.perl.org   http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/
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From removed-gdpr at example.com  Fri Nov 16 10:37:13 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 11:37:13 +0200
Subject: [Users] Clawsker doesn't start (Can't locate Gtk3.pm in @INC...)
In-Reply-To: <20181116102227.59ff9ba9@pc09.procura.nl>
References: <20181110220757.44241596@localhost>
 <20181110202608.7c0bd030@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181111105050.07d264f8@localhost>
 <20181111114449.xz52kdnwhkquzyy5@busgosu>
 <20181111173707.563f86c0@localhost>
 <20181111161735.47706b1d@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181111194712.40162679@localhost> <20181111190755.5134dd6b@penny>
 <20181111201204.1d78e0e5@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181111222635.69b5e783@localhost>
 <20181111204335.3ffa223f@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181111234323.1e346b42@localhost>
 <20181112002547.42be4050@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181112145054.38e6216f@localhost>
 <20181112151306.72c4696b@acer-suse.lan>
 <20181112175039.430d6307@localhost>
 <20181112172810.1584a979@pc09.procura.nl>
 <20181112190009.6073475a@localhost>
 <20181112185735.546a900f@pc09.procura.nl>
 <20181112201215.37f92def@localhost>
 <20181113091202.7ed8d4a1@pc09.procura.nl>
 <20181116110745.696b3c9b@localhost>
 <20181116102227.59ff9ba9@pc09.procura.nl>
Message-ID: <20181116113713.7edcd206@localhost>

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:22:27 +0100 H.Merijn Brand
wrote:

> I suggest setting up $PERL5LIB in ~/.profile,
> ~/.bashrc or ~/.tcshrc (whatever shell you are
> using) and add your local lib, something like
> 
> see https://metacpan.org/pod/local::lib for more
> information:
> 
> export PERL5LIB=$HOME/perl5/lib/perl5

That worked. Thanks!

--
George


From eagirard at cox.net  Fri Nov 16 12:31:47 2018
From: eagirard at cox.net (Ed Ahlsen-Girard)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 05:31:47 -0600
Subject: [Users] Live.com problem
Message-ID: <20181116053147.0a098780@cox.net>

> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:48:50 -0600
> Ed Ahlsen-Girard <eagirard at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > ** (claws-mail:24024): WARNING **: 20:39:51.968: [20:39:51] SSL/TLS
> > handshake failed
> Above is your error. If you were able to get any meaningful back using
> telnet which is plain text then it could indicate that the server does
> not speak SSL over port 993 as one could expect.
> 
> Instead of telnet try openssl s_client to verify that SSL is infact
> working.
> 
> -- 
> Hilsen/Regards
> Michael Rasmussen
> 
> Get my public GnuPG keys:
> michael <at> rasmussen <dot> cc
> http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E
> mir <at> datanom <dot> net
> http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C
> mir <at> miras <dot> org
> http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> /usr/games/fortune -es says:
> Let no guilty man escape.
> 		-- U. S. Grant

Results of openssl s_client below signature. Appears to connect.
-- 

Edward Ahlsen-Girard
Ft Walton Beach, FL

openssl s_client -connect imap-mail.outlook.com:993
CONNECTED(00000003)
depth=2 C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com, CN = DigiCert
Global Root CA verify return:1
depth=1 C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, CN = DigiCert Cloud Services CA-1
verify return:1
depth=0 C = US, ST = Washington, L = Redmond, O = Microsoft
Corporation, CN = outlook.com verify return:1
20401814089808:error:04FFF08F:rsa routines:CRYPTO_internal:invalid
digest length:/usr/src/lib/libcrypto/rsa/rsa_sign.c:205:
20401814089808:error:1400907B:SSL routines:CONNECT_CR_KEY_EXCH:bad
signature:/usr/src/lib/libssl/ssl_clnt.c:1572: --- Certificate chain
 0 s:/C=US/ST=Washington/L=Redmond/O=Microsoft
Corporation/CN=outlook.com i:/C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/CN=DigiCert Cloud
Services CA-1 1 s:/C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/CN=DigiCert Cloud Services CA-1
   i:/C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert Global Root CA
---
Server certificate
-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----
MIIIljCCB36gAwIBAgIQAwuxqX4xVa7w1UuyqyFJJDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADBL
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subject=/C=US/ST=Washington/L=Redmond/O=Microsoft \
Corporation/CN=outlook.com 
issuer=/C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/CN=DigiCert Cloud Services CA-1 
---
No client certificate CA names sent
Server Temp Key: ECDH, P-256, 256 bits
---
SSL handshake has read 3812 bytes and written 7 bytes
---
New, (NONE), Cipher is (NONE)
Server public key is 2048 bit
Secure Renegotiation IS supported
Compression: NONE
Expansion: NONE
No ALPN negotiated
SSL-Session:
    Protocol  : TLSv1.2
    Cipher    : 0000
    Session-ID:
7225000075F41B7FC00248144B76D4BA56EBF11B0FDD0C0D506A8854CCAFCE85
Session-ID-ctx: 
    Master-Key: 
    Start Time: 1542367461
    Timeout   : 7200 (sec)
    Verify return code: 0 (ok)
---


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 16 12:48:42 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 11:48:42 -0000
Subject: [Users] Live.com problem
In-Reply-To: <20181116053147.0a098780@cox.net>
References: <20181116053147.0a098780@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20181116114842.653f01bd@localhost>

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 05:31:47 -0600
Ed Ahlsen-Girard <eagirard at cox.net> wrote: 

> Results of openssl s_client below signature. Appears to connect.

gnutls-cli also produces no error. (claws-mail uses gnutls, openssl),
which suggests a configuration error in your account settings.

What settings are you using?

with regards

Paul


From jerry at seibercom.net  Fri Nov 16 15:13:15 2018
From: jerry at seibercom.net (Jerry)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:13:15 -0500
Subject: [Users] Live.com problem
In-Reply-To: <20181116053147.0a098780@cox.net>
References: <20181116053147.0a098780@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20181116091315.000029f3@seibercom.net>

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 05:31:47 -0600, Ed Ahlsen-Girard stated:

>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:48:50 -0600
>> Ed Ahlsen-Girard <eagirard at cox.net> wrote:
>>   
>> > ** (claws-mail:24024): WARNING **: 20:39:51.968: [20:39:51] SSL/TLS
>> > handshake failed  
>> Above is your error. If you were able to get any meaningful back using
>> telnet which is plain text then it could indicate that the server does
>> not speak SSL over port 993 as one could expect.
>> 
>> Instead of telnet try openssl s_client to verify that SSL is infact
>> working.

Check your settings against the ones recommended by outlook:

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/POP-and-IMAP-email-settings-for-Outlook-8361e398-8af4-4e97-b147-6c6c4ac95353

-- 
Jerry



From jerry at seibercom.net  Fri Nov 16 15:34:27 2018
From: jerry at seibercom.net (Jerry)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:34:27 -0500
Subject: [Users] Live.com problem
In-Reply-To: <20181116053147.0a098780@cox.net>
References: <20181116053147.0a098780@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20181116093427.00006d5d@seibercom.net>

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 05:31:47 -0600, Ed Ahlsen-Girard stated:

>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:48:50 -0600
>> Ed Ahlsen-Girard <eagirard at cox.net> wrote:
>>   
>> > ** (claws-mail:24024): WARNING **: 20:39:51.968: [20:39:51] SSL/TLS
>> > handshake failed  
>> Above is your error. If you were able to get any meaningful back using
>> telnet which is plain text then it could indicate that the server does
>> not speak SSL over port 993 as one could expect.
>> 
>> Instead of telnet try openssl s_client to verify that SSL is infact
>> working.
>> 
>Results of openssl s_client below signature. Appears to connect.

//truncated//

I got a slightly different output, but I did request more info.

openssl s_client -connect imap-mail.outlook.com:993 -tls1_2 -showcerts

CONNECTED(00000003)
---
Certificate chain
 0 s:/C=US/ST=Washington/L=Redmond/O=Microsoft Corporation/CN=outlook.com
   i:/C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/CN=DigiCert Cloud Services CA-1
-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----
MIIIljCCB36gAwIBAgIQAwuxqX4xVa7w1UuyqyFJJDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADBL
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subject=/C=US/ST=Washington/L=Redmond/O=Microsoft Corporation/CN=outlook.com
issuer=/C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/CN=DigiCert Cloud Services CA-1
---
No client certificate CA names sent
Peer signing digest: SHA1
Server Temp Key: ECDH, P-256, 256 bits
---
SSL handshake has read 3863 bytes and written 433 bytes
---
New, TLSv1/SSLv3, Cipher is ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384
Server public key is 2048 bit
Secure Renegotiation IS supported
Compression: NONE
Expansion: NONE
No ALPN negotiated
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    Cipher    : ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384
    Session-ID: 78450000358A06D84EE8AAAAC631BBF14D44672E152C9709D43086E984847EC9
    Session-ID-ctx: 
    Master-Key: D4EE066B6F9087FFFB6CFD2D36EEC9AA165C95CD3E86268E9A9D032B95B5D46F67B7DA22C0218321C45E9399EFE823A3
    Key-Arg   : None
    PSK identity: None
    PSK identity hint: None
    SRP username: None
    Start Time: 1542378556
    Timeout   : 7200 (sec)
    Verify return code: 0 (ok)
---
* OK The Microsoft Exchange IMAP4 service is ready. [QgBOADcAUABSADEAMABDAEEAMAAwADEAOAAuAG4AYQBtAHAAcgBkADEAMAAuAHAAcgBvAGQALgBvAHUAdABsAG8AbwBrAC4AYwBvAG0A]





From myetto at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 15:56:10 2018
From: myetto at gmail.com (Michael A. Yetto)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:56:10 -0500
Subject: [Users] Remove From Users Lists.
In-Reply-To: <20181116194941.093ac890@billiau.net>
References: <229311490.697416.1542315414875@connect.xfinity.com>
 <20181115160858.1c3ad5e8@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet>
 <20181116194941.093ac890@billiau.net>
Message-ID: <20181116095610.2982328d@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet>

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 19:49:41 +1100
Liz <edodd at billiau.net> writes, and having writ moves on:

>On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 16:08:58 -0500
>"Michael A. Yetto" <myetto at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >Please remove me from claws mail user list. I uninstalled the
>> >program and don't need to receive email from users list.    
>> 
>> Check the headers of any email you ever received from the list and
>> you will find the instructions you need.  
>
>On another mailing list I saw a wonderful reply to a similar query from
>a psychologist
>
>It started
>"There are some things in life you have to do for yourself."
>

How do you tell someone what they need to do for themselves if reading
replies is one of those things they need to be told to do?

It often devolves to just that situation.

Mike Yetto
-- 
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an answer than to put the label "God" there and consider the matter
solved?"
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From eagirard at cox.net  Sat Nov 17 03:28:38 2018
From: eagirard at cox.net (Ed Ahlsen-Girard)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 20:28:38 -0600
Subject: [Users] Users Digest, Vol 87, Issue 33
In-Reply-To: <mailman.558.1542380193.32287.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
References: <mailman.558.1542380193.32287.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
Message-ID: <20181116202818.2785f12f@pav.my.domain>

> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:13:15 -0500
> From: Jerry <jerry at seibercom.net>
> To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
> Subject: Re: [Users] Live.com problem
> Message-ID: <20181116091315.000029f3 at seibercom.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 05:31:47 -0600, Ed Ahlsen-Girard stated:
> 
>  [...]  
>  [...]  
>  [...]  
> 
> Check your settings against the ones recommended by outlook:
> 
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/POP-and-IMAP-email-settings-for-Outlook-8361e398-8af4-4e97-b147-6c6c4ac95353
> 
> -- 
> Jerry

I have checked - the settings match (imap-mail.outlook.com, port 993,
SSL/TLS).

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Ft Walton Beach, FL




From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 17 16:41:43 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 15:41:43 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2197] Rssyl makes a new item,
 if the rss item title updated (modified)
In-Reply-To: <bug-2197-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2197-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2197-595-JEOWXqUsPn@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2197

--- Comment #7 from Denis <den_ml at posteo.de> ---
Created attachment 1934
  -->
https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1934&action=edit
Triple item

I just wanted to remind that this bug still persists and on some feeds this is
getting out of hand, as you can see on the screenshot :) Two double items and
one triple!

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 17 17:07:55 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 16:07:55 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2197] Rssyl makes a new item,
 if the rss item title updated (modified)
In-Reply-To: <bug-2197-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2197-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2197-595-X8OxUg37OK@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2197

--- Comment #8 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
What feed is this?

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 17 17:49:18 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 16:49:18 -0000
Subject: [Users] Users Digest, Vol 87, Issue 33
In-Reply-To: <20181116202818.2785f12f@pav.my.domain>
References: <mailman.558.1542380193.32287.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
 <20181116202818.2785f12f@pav.my.domain>
Message-ID: <20181117164918.2f42f7e3@localhost>

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 20:28:38 -0600
Ed Ahlsen-Girard <eagirard at cox.net> wrote: 

> I have checked - the settings match (imap-mail.outlook.com, port
> 993, SSL/TLS).

What settings do you have?

I created an IMAP account for imap-mail.outlook.com and it connected
to the server without any problems.

with regards

Paul


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 18 16:13:47 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 15:13:47 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4121] New: Moving a subfolder in another folder erases
 its processing rules
Message-ID: <bug-4121-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4121

            Bug ID: 4121
           Summary: Moving a subfolder in another folder erases its
                    processing rules
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: GIT
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Filtering
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com

version 3.17.0git172

STR:

1. Have a folder structure like:

+ My Feeds (RSSyl)
++ Folder1
+++ Feed
++ Folder2

2. Right click "Feed" and create a processing rule for it

3. Move "Feed" in "Folder2"

4. Right click "Feed" to check processing rules

EXPECTED:

The rule created in step 2 should be there.

ACTUAL:

There are no rules.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 18 19:12:09 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 18:12:09 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4121] Moving a subfolder in another folder erases its
 processing rules
In-Reply-To: <bug-4121-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4121-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4121-595-EdAHIWDX1y@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4121

--- Comment #1 from users at lists.claws-mail.org ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://git.claws-mail.org/

++ ChangeLog    2018-11-18 18:24:05.268296877 +0100
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=acf535ca86d1a52902646c6248f7446e10899df2
Author: Paul <paul at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Sun Nov 18 17:23:35 2018 +0000

    fix bug where creating a new folder wth inheriting properties doesn't write
processinf rules

    after copying folder with 'inherit properties from parent folder' set,
    the processing rules are (initially) present in the processing rules
    dialogue, but are not actually written. So on a restart they are 'lost'.

    This is probably the actual bug 4121, ' Moving a subfolder in another
    folder erases  its processing rules', rather than the description given.

--- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
(In reply to comment #1)
>     after copying folder with 'inherit properties from parent folder' set,

What i meant to say was 'when creating a new folder' rather than 'after copy
folder'.

Moving this folder after creating it thus will not carry over the unsaved
processing rules, which is probably what you meant to say.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 18 19:42:09 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 18:42:09 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4121] Moving a subfolder in another folder erases its
 processing rules
In-Reply-To: <bug-4121-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4121-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4121-595-7GBoJIJ5tN@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4121

--- Comment #3 from Removed after GDPR request <removed-gdpr at example.com> ---
No, I didn't mean to say anything about copying or creating a folder but about
moving it as this is what I did: I simply dragged and dropped it in another
folder.

Anyway this commit seems to fix it.

Thanks :)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 18 19:50:36 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 18:50:36 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4121] Moving a subfolder in another folder erases its
 processing rules
In-Reply-To: <bug-4121-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4121-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4121-595-1ovkdxchJI@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4121

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

--- Comment #4 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
I could not reproduce what you described, only what I fixed. My fix did not
alter (for me) what you described.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 19 10:16:45 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:16:45 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4121] Moving a subfolder in another folder erases its
 processing rules
In-Reply-To: <bug-4121-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4121-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4121-595-WTgYJ9EDXF@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4121

--- Comment #5 from Removed after GDPR request <removed-gdpr at example.com> ---
I see. Hm. I don't know if that changes the STR essentially but what I actually
did initially was:

1. Have a folder structure like:

+ My Feeds (RSSyl)
++ Folder1 (no any processing rules)
+++ Feed (with some processing rules)

2. Create Folder2 and structure becomes

+ My Feeds (RSSyl)
++ Folder1
+++ Feed
++ Folder2

3. Drag'n'drop Feed into Folder2

And the result was: the processing rules for Feed were lost.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 19 10:26:06 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 09:26:06 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4122] New: Create UI clues for errors when refreshing
	feeds
Message-ID: <bug-4122-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4122

            Bug ID: 4122
           Summary: Create UI clues for errors when refreshing feeds
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: GIT
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: Plugins/RSSyl
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com

Currently if a feed cannot be updated due to some HTTP error (e.g. 403 or
other) the only way to know that is to monitor the network log. Generally that
is not what a user would do, so it would be good to have some visual
notification about such feed refresh problems (e.g. a small icon or
color/background variation for problematic feed)

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From eagirard at cox.net  Mon Nov 19 23:16:09 2018
From: eagirard at cox.net (Ed Ahlsen-Girard)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 16:16:09 -0600
Subject: [Users] Live.com problem
Message-ID: <20181119161609.7a657b8c@cox.net>

> Jerry jerry at seibercom.net
> Fri Nov 16 15:34:27 CET 2018
> 
>     Previous message: [Users] Live.com problem
>     Next message: [Users] [Bug 4120] New: New cert files are created
> in $HOME instead of in ~/.claws-mail/certs Messages sorted by:
>     [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> 
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 05:31:47 -0600, Ed Ahlsen-Girard stated:
> 
> >> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:48:50 -0600
> >> Ed Ahlsen-Girard <eagirard at cox.net> wrote:
> >>   
> >> > ** (claws-mail:24024): WARNING **: 20:39:51.968: [20:39:51]
> >> > SSL/TLS handshake failed  
> >> Above is your error. If you were able to get any meaningful back
> >> using telnet which is plain text then it could indicate that the
> >> server does not speak SSL over port 993 as one could expect.
> >> 
> >> Instead of telnet try openssl s_client to verify that SSL is infact
> >> working.
> >> 
> >Results of openssl s_client below signature. Appears to connect.
> 
> //truncated//
> 
> I got a slightly different output, but I did request more info.
> 
> openssl s_client -connect imap-mail.outlook.com:993 -tls1_2 -showcerts
> 
> CONNECTED(00000003)
> ---
> Certificate chain
>  0 s:/C=US/ST=Washington/L=Redmond/O=Microsoft
------------------>% (snip)

The problem may have been with the OpenBSD package last week. I've
updated snapshots and all is well. Thanks to all.


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 20 17:20:09 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 16:20:09 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4123] New: highlight addresses listed in to/cc/etc.
 based on domain filter
Message-ID: <bug-4123-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4123

            Bug ID: 4123
           Summary: highlight addresses listed in to/cc/etc. based on
                    domain filter
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.17.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Compose Window
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: ddiss at samba.org

I make heavy use of Claws Mail's useful address tab-completion in to/cc text
boxes, and fear that I'll erroneously send to an unintended address.
Erroneously sending to addressees within my company wouldn't be too
problematic, but sending externally i.e. to a public mailing list / customer,
etc. could be quite embarrassing, despite using GPG for truly private mail.

For this reason I'd love to have the ability to have the to/cc addressee fields
colour-highlighted, based on whether the addressee's domain matches a
user-defined filter.

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From corbinbird at charter.net  Wed Nov 21 14:57:05 2018
From: corbinbird at charter.net (Corbin Bird)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 07:57:05 -0600
Subject: [Users] Question
Message-ID: <f33e9c18-50ac-f9d0-8e06-ecc1927df43d@charter.net>

I am trying to switch from Thunderbird to Claws-Mail and having a problem.

I am using an ISP IMAP email account. How do I download and store email
in mbox's on my local hard drive?

( Or did I miss the instructions, somewhere? )

Thanks.


From removed-gdpr at example.com  Wed Nov 21 15:26:37 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed after GDPR request)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:26:37 +0200
Subject: [Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <f33e9c18-50ac-f9d0-8e06-ecc1927df43d@charter.net>
References: <f33e9c18-50ac-f9d0-8e06-ecc1927df43d@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20181121162637.208e0978@localhost>

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 07:57:05 -0600 Corbin Bird wrote:

> I am using an ISP IMAP email account. How do I
> download and store email in mbox's on my local hard
> drive?

Right click on IMAP folder, "Copy folder..." and choose
where you want to store the copy (e.g. in a subfolder
of MH). Repeat for the other IMAP folders.

Or if you are looking to always store the mail only on
your local machine and not keep a copy on the server
you can set up a filter with:

Condition: all
Action: move "#mh/Mailbox/inbox"

This will move all messages from IMAP's inbox to your
local MH inbox each time you "Get Mail".

-- 
George


From dave at howorth.org.uk  Wed Nov 21 18:10:16 2018
From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:10:16 +0000
Subject: [Users] saving local copies of IMAP mail. Was: Question
In-Reply-To: <f33e9c18-50ac-f9d0-8e06-ecc1927df43d@charter.net>
References: <f33e9c18-50ac-f9d0-8e06-ecc1927df43d@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20181121171016.490cac86@acer-suse.lan>

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 07:57:05 -0600
Corbin Bird <corbinbird at charter.net> wrote:

> I am trying to switch from Thunderbird to Claws-Mail and having a
> problem.
> 
> I am using an ISP IMAP email account. How do I download and store
> email in mbox's on my local hard drive?

Claws mail doesn't use 'mbox' format. It uses something called 'MH'.

There's some info on making local copies of IMAP mail at
https://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=107280.0

> ( Or did I miss the instructions, somewhere? )
> 
> Thanks.

BTW. Try using a more explicit subject when seeking help.


From mir at miras.org  Wed Nov 21 19:02:59 2018
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 19:02:59 +0100
Subject: [Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <f33e9c18-50ac-f9d0-8e06-ecc1927df43d@charter.net>
References: <f33e9c18-50ac-f9d0-8e06-ecc1927df43d@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20181121190259.029a2bdc@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 07:57:05 -0600
Corbin Bird <corbinbird at charter.net> wrote:

> I am trying to switch from Thunderbird to Claws-Mail and having a
> problem.
> 
> I am using an ISP IMAP email account. How do I download and store
> email in mbox's on my local hard drive?
> 
You could also right-click on the inbox, choose properties, and mark
'synchronize for offline use'. This will fetch all messages to the
local cache whenever you run 'Get Mail'.

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From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Thu Nov 22 02:24:50 2018
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:24:50 -0800
Subject: [Users] RSSyl stopped working
Message-ID: <20181121172450.16e6ef6b@frogguski.911networks.com>

CM 3.17.1 on Manjaro.

I have been using RSSyl for at least 5 years, without problem but the
last couple of days, it has stopped working. It goes through the
motions, but there no new posts but I can see when I use the feed in
my browser that there are new posts.

No change on my end (that I know off)

example from the log:

[17:14:43] RSSyl: Updating feed: http://feedproxy.google.com/typepad/sethsmainblog
[17:14:43] RSSyl: Feed update finished: http://feedproxy.google.com/typepad/sethsmainblog

but there's no new post, while there's nothing for that entry and it
wipes it to 0 deleting all of my existing entries.


-- 
sknahT

vyS


From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Thu Nov 22 02:28:23 2018
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:28:23 -0800
Subject: [Users] RSSyl stopped working
In-Reply-To: <20181121172450.16e6ef6b@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20181121172450.16e6ef6b@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20181121172823.7045f9f5@frogguski.911networks.com>

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:24:50 -0800
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:

>CM 3.17.1 on Manjaro.
>
>I have been using RSSyl for at least 5 years, without problem but the
>last couple of days, it has stopped working. It goes through the
>motions, but there no new posts but I can see when I use the feed in
>my browser that there are new posts.
>
>No change on my end (that I know off)
>
>example from the log:
>
>[17:14:43] RSSyl: Updating feed:
>http://feedproxy.google.com/typepad/sethsmainblog [17:14:43] RSSyl:
>Feed update finished:
>http://feedproxy.google.com/typepad/sethsmainblog
>
>but there's no new post, while there's nothing for that entry and it
>wipes it to 0 deleting all of my existing entries.

Extra information:

Settings: https://i.imgur.com/foQql3R.png

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vyS


From ticho at claws-mail.org  Thu Nov 22 08:57:18 2018
From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 08:57:18 +0100
Subject: [Users] RSSyl stopped working
In-Reply-To: <20181121172450.16e6ef6b@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20181121172450.16e6ef6b@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20181122085718.1140e7b0@penny>

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:24:50 -0800
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:

> CM 3.17.1 on Manjaro.
> 
> I have been using RSSyl for at least 5 years, without problem but the
> last couple of days, it has stopped working. It goes through the
> motions, but there no new posts but I can see when I use the feed in
> my browser that there are new posts.
> 
> No change on my end (that I know off)
> 
> example from the log:
> 
> [17:14:43] RSSyl: Updating feed: http://feedproxy.google.com/typepad/sethsmainblog
> [17:14:43] RSSyl: Feed update finished: http://feedproxy.google.com/typepad/sethsmainblog
> 
> but there's no new post, while there's nothing for that entry and it
> wipes it to 0 deleting all of my existing entries.

Hi, can I see the --debug output from the moment you trigger a refresh
of this feed, until it finishes?

Regards,
-- 
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 22 14:11:10 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 13:11:10 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4124] New: Option to save a copy of a reply in the
 Folder with the message replying to
Message-ID: <bug-4124-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4124

            Bug ID: 4124
           Summary: Option to save a copy of a reply in the Folder with
                    the message replying to
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: other
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Compose Window
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: wastenspam at gmail.com

To have a consistent thread view it is crucial to have ones own replies in the
folder with the thread; the current work around is to send a bcc copy to the
own account. But still this is a quite crude tactic. It would be far better to
have the option (maybe account wide) to save a reply to the folder with the
message replying to.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 22 14:56:16 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 13:56:16 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4124] Option to save a copy of a reply in the Folder
 with the message replying to
In-Reply-To: <bug-4124-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4124-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4124-595-thy1gJod1F@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4124

--- Comment #1 from brad at fineby.me.uk <brad at fineby.me.uk> ---
Already been thought of;

Check out (from folder context menu) Properties.../Compose...

Second item is "Save a copy of outgoing messages to this folder instead of
Sent".

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From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Thu Nov 22 15:52:10 2018
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 06:52:10 -0800
Subject: [Users] RSSyl stopped working
In-Reply-To: <20181122085718.1140e7b0@penny>
References: <20181121172450.16e6ef6b@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20181122085718.1140e7b0@penny>
Message-ID: <20181122065210.78dce1db@frogguski.911networks.com>

On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 08:57:18 +0100
Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:24:50 -0800
>sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:
>
>> CM 3.17.1 on Manjaro.
>> 
>> I have been using RSSyl for at least 5 years, without problem but
>> the last couple of days, it has stopped working. It goes through
>> the motions, but there no new posts but I can see when I use the
>> feed in my browser that there are new posts.
>> 
>> No change on my end (that I know off)
>> 
>> example from the log:
>> 
>> [17:14:43] RSSyl: Updating feed:
>> http://feedproxy.google.com/typepad/sethsmainblog [17:14:43]
>> RSSyl: Feed update finished:
>> http://feedproxy.google.com/typepad/sethsmainblog
>> 
>> but there's no new post, while there's nothing for that entry and
>> it wipes it to 0 deleting all of my existing entries.  
>
>Hi, can I see the --debug output from the moment you trigger a
>refresh of this feed, until it finishes?

Here are some of the messages related to RSSyl (so I can indclude it
in the email. They are all the same message:

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:00.618: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Masters of
Scale with Reid Hoffman/rssylBCI8SZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:00.618: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Masters of
Scale with Reid Hoffman/rssylHBI8SZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:00.618: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Masters of
Scale with Reid Hoffman/rssyl1CI8SZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:00.618: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Masters of
Scale with Reid Hoffman/rssylVEI8SZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:00.618: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Masters of
Scale with Reid Hoffman/rssyl1HI8SZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:00.618: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Masters of
Scale with Reid Hoffman/rssyl64H8SZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:00.618: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Masters of
Scale with Reid Hoffman/rssylR4H8SZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssyl1PXYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssylM8XYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssyl97XYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssyl99XYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssylFBYYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssylIDYYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssyl41XYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssylE3XYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssyl42XYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **:
06:46:00.618: Couldn't g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My
Feeds (RSSyl)/Masters of Scale with Reid Hoffman/rssylBCI8SZ'), not
adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:00.618: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Masters of
Scale with Reid Hoffman/rssylHBI8SZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:00.618: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Masters of
Scale with Reid Hoffman/rssyl1CI8SZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:00.618: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Masters of
Scale with Reid Hoffman/rssylVEI8SZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:00.618: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Masters of
Scale with Reid Hoffman/rssyl1HI8SZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:00.618: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Masters of
Scale with Reid Hoffman/rssyl64H8SZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:00.618: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Masters of
Scale with Reid Hoffman/rssylR4H8SZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssyl1PXYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssylM8XYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssyl97XYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssyl99XYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssylFBYYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssylIDYYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssyl41XYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssylE3XYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssyl42XYSZ'), not adding message!

** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
Marketing/rssyl74XYSZ'), not adding message!.claws-mail/RSSyl/My
Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape Marketing/rssyl74XYSZ'), not adding message!

Please note that:

.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/  was empty, no folder. Everything
was in 

.claws-mail/RSSyl/My-Feeds-(RSSyl)/

So I copied the feed from: "My-Feeds-(RSSyl)/" to "My Feeds (RSSyl)/"



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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 22 18:18:50 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 17:18:50 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4124] Option to save a copy of a reply in the Folder
 with the message replying to
In-Reply-To: <bug-4124-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4124-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4124-595-q91qvCgTQB@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4124

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 23 08:26:45 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 07:26:45 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3340] "General Assuan error" on signed email checking
In-Reply-To: <bug-3340-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3340-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3340-595-WrXupanDHe@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3340

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
was an upstream bug

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 23 08:37:39 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 07:37:39 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2197] Rssyl makes a new item,
 if the rss item title updated (modified)
In-Reply-To: <bug-2197-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2197-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2197-595-rtRo4xKaPf@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2197

--- Comment #9 from Denis <den_ml at posteo.de> ---
(In reply to comment #8)
> What feed is this?

Sorry about the late reply. It's http://elementy.ru/rss/news

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 23 08:53:12 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 07:53:12 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3533] DSN (delivery status notification)
In-Reply-To: <bug-3533-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3533-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3533-595-K2Na6t44iO@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3533

wwp <wwp at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Attachment #1915|0                           |1
        is obsolete|                            |

--- Comment #17 from wwp <wwp at claws-mail.org> ---
Created attachment 1935
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https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1935&action=edit
Add Delivery Status Notification (DSN) support

Updated to compile against -git176 (2018-11-23).

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 23 11:30:13 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 10:30:13 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3533] DSN (delivery status notification)
In-Reply-To: <bug-3533-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3533-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3533-595-61Xv399LBm@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3533

wwp <wwp at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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   Attachment #1935|0                           |1
        is obsolete|                            |

--- Comment #18 from wwp <wwp at claws-mail.org> ---
Created attachment 1936
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Add Delivery Status Notification (DSN) support

Fixes missing diff hunks for compose.h and prefs_folder_item.c, and fix widget
layout packing in prefs_account.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 23 12:16:28 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 11:16:28 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3533] DSN (delivery status notification)
In-Reply-To: <bug-3533-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3533-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3533-595-tu4LEaugzQ@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3533

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From ticho at claws-mail.org  Fri Nov 23 18:21:25 2018
From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2018 18:21:25 +0100
Subject: [Users] RSSyl stopped working
In-Reply-To: <20181122065210.78dce1db@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20181121172450.16e6ef6b@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20181122085718.1140e7b0@penny>
 <20181122065210.78dce1db@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20181123182125.1dfbdb85@penny>

On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 06:52:10 -0800
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:

> ** (claws-mail:2242): WARNING **: 06:46:02.926: Couldn't
> g_mkstemp('/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape
> Marketing/rssyl74XYSZ'), not adding message!.claws-mail/RSSyl/My
> Feeds (RSSyl)/Duct Tape Marketing/rssyl74XYSZ'), not adding message!
> 
> Please note that:
> 
> .claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)/  was empty, no folder. Everything
> was in 
> 
> .claws-mail/RSSyl/My-Feeds-(RSSyl)/
> 
> So I copied the feed from: "My-Feeds-(RSSyl)/" to "My Feeds (RSSyl)/"

The plugin has never used "My-Feeds-(RSSyl)" with dashes, it was always
"My Feeds (RSSyl)". Something or someone must have tampered with it on
your disk, perhaps some weird backup/restore mechanism.

Regards,
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 24 20:09:52 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 19:09:52 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4125] New: [Feature] Add Socks5 Proxy Support
Message-ID: <bug-4125-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4125

            Bug ID: 4125
           Summary: [Feature] Add Socks5 Proxy Support
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: other
          Hardware: PC
                OS: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: trd82098 at iencm.com

Feature: Add Socks5 Proxy Support to the UI
Why? : Many proxy applications utilize Socks5.

More info on SOCKS: https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOCKS

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 24 20:44:52 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 19:44:52 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4125] [Feature] Add Socks5 Proxy Support
In-Reply-To: <bug-4125-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4125-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4125-595-DNnRdtP8Ph@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4125

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
already present since version 3.17.0

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 25 14:03:10 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 13:03:10 +0000
Subject: [Users] =?utf-8?b?W0J1ZyA0MTI2XSBOZXc6ICDml6Dms5XlkK/liqjmi7w=?=
 =?utf-8?b?5YaZ5qOA5p+l5ZmoLg==?=
Message-ID: <bug-4126-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4126

            Bug ID: 4126
           Summary: 无法启动拼写检查器.
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.16.0
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Compose Window
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: liangzi at yandex.com

Created attachment 1937
  -->
https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1937&action=edit
error zh_CN

无法启动拼写检查器.
无法初始化zh_CN字典:
(null)
无法初始化zh_CN拼写工具。

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 25 17:04:35 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 16:04:35 +0000
Subject: [Users] =?utf-8?b?W0J1ZyA0MTI2XSAg5peg5rOV5ZCv5Yqo5ou85YaZ5qOA?=
 =?utf-8?b?5p+l5ZmoLg==?=
In-Reply-To: <bug-4126-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4126-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4126-595-n6Vny8KhrA@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4126

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
presumably you need to add a zh_CN dictionary to your system.

If you want further help, please use English, and enquire via the users'
mailing list or IRC: https://www.claws-mail.org/MLs.php

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 25 18:10:57 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 17:10:57 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4127] New: configure script assumes -export_dynamic
 always works on macOS
Message-ID: <bug-4127-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4127

            Bug ID: 4127
           Summary: configure script assumes -export_dynamic always works
                    on macOS
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.17.1
          Hardware: Macintosh
                OS: other
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: claws-mail at ryandesign.com

claws-mail fails to configure on the admittedly old Mac OS X 10.6.8:


checking whether to use libetpan... yes
checking for libetpan-config... /opt/local/bin/libetpan-config
checking libetpan/libetpan.h usability... yes
checking libetpan/libetpan.h presence... yes
checking for libetpan/libetpan.h... yes
checking whether libetpan-config hints compiles and links fine... no
*** Claws Mail requires libetpan 0.57 or newer. See http://www.etpan.org/ 
*** You can use --disable-libetpan if you don't need IMAP4 and/or NNTP support.
configure: error: libetpan 0.57 not found


Here's the full log from the MacPorts build system:

https://build.macports.org/builders/ports-10.6_i386_legacy-builder/builds/56474/steps/install-port/logs/stdio


libetpan is installed, but the configure script fails to detect it because it
is giving the linker a flag it does not understand, which causes an error
message. From config.log:


configure:20395: checking whether libetpan-config hints compiles and links fine
configure:20409: /usr/bin/gcc-4.2 -o conftest -pipe -Os -arch x86_64
-Wno-unused-function -Wno-pointer-sign -Wall -no-cpp-precomp -fno-common
-I/opt/local/include -I/opt/local/include -L/opt/local/lib
-Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names -arch x86_64 -Wl,-export_dynamic conftest.c 
-lm -lresolv -L/opt/local/lib -letpan -L/opt/local/lib
-Wl,-headerpad_max_install_names -L/opt/local/lib -L/opt/local/lib
-L/opt/local/lib -lcurl -lidn2 -lpsl -lssl -lcrypto -lssl -lcrypto -lz -lexpat
-lz -lssl -lcrypto -liconv -lsasl2 -lssl -lcrypto >&5
ld: unknown option: -export_dynamic
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status


Newer versions of Apple's ld understand -export_dynamic, but older ones don't.
You should check whether the linker understands the flag before you try to use
it.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 26 15:35:11 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:35:11 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4123] highlight addresses listed in to/cc/etc. based
 on domain filter
In-Reply-To: <bug-4123-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4123-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4123-595-OZZHumd4ER@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4123

ddiss at samba.org changed:

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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |DUPLICATE

--- Comment #1 from ddiss at samba.org ---
Forgot that I'd already raised this - marking as duplicate. Sorry for the
noise.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 4012 ***

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 26 15:35:11 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:35:11 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4012] External domain highlighting feature
In-Reply-To: <bug-4012-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4012-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4012-595-hD83Bsdmk2@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4012

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*** Bug 4123 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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From epodata at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 10:15:04 2018
From: epodata at gmail.com (Erik P. Olsen)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:15:04 +0100
Subject: [Users] Critical error.
Message-ID: <20181127101504.342671c0@Erik-PC.epolan.dk>

One of my accounts produces the error msg: suspecting a corrupt file in UTF8 conversion
and the receive function ends.

I have a 1100 line of debug messages that probably contain answer as to which mail causes
the error but I am unable understand what goes on. 

I could send the debug messages to whoever would be kind enough to take a look at it.

Thanks in advance.

Erik P. Olsen


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 27 10:21:36 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:21:36 -0000
Subject: [Users] Critical error.
In-Reply-To: <20181127101504.342671c0@Erik-PC.epolan.dk>
References: <20181127101504.342671c0@Erik-PC.epolan.dk>
Message-ID: <20181127092136.4a8ee163@localhost>

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:15:04 +0100
"Erik P. Olsen" <epodata at gmail.com> wrote: 

> One of my accounts produces the error msg: suspecting a corrupt
> file in UTF8 conversion and the receive function ends.
> 
> I have a 1100 line of debug messages that probably contain answer
> as to which mail causes the error but I am unable understand what
> goes on. 
> 
> I could send the debug messages to whoever would be kind enough to
> take a look at it.
> 
> Thanks in advance.

I am happy to take a look.

with regards

Paul


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 27 12:27:41 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 11:27:41 -0000
Subject: [Users] Critical error.
In-Reply-To: <20181127101504.342671c0@Erik-PC.epolan.dk>
References: <20181127101504.342671c0@Erik-PC.epolan.dk>
Message-ID: <20181127112741.55724c65@localhost>

Hi Erik,

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:15:04 +0100
"Erik P. Olsen" <epodata at gmail.com> wrote: 

> One of my accounts produces the error msg: suspecting a corrupt
> file in UTF8 conversion and the receive function ends.

The problem is caused by a bug in libytnef and a tnef attachment
with invalid UTF-8.

That's a known bug and has already been fixed in libytnef.
https://github.com/Yeraze/ytnef/pull/63

You need to upgrade libytnef to version 1.9.3.

with regards

Paul


From epodata at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 13:55:19 2018
From: epodata at gmail.com (Erik P. Olsen)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 13:55:19 +0100
Subject: [Users] Critical error.
In-Reply-To: <20181127112741.55724c65@localhost>
References: <20181127101504.342671c0@Erik-PC.epolan.dk>
 <20181127112741.55724c65@localhost>
Message-ID: <20181127135519.54433e1d@Erik-PC.epolan.dk>

On 2018-11-27 at 11:27:41 Paul wrote:

> Hi Erik,
> 
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:15:04 +0100
> "Erik P. Olsen" <epodata at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> > One of my accounts produces the error msg: suspecting a corrupt
> > file in UTF8 conversion and the receive function ends.  
> 
> The problem is caused by a bug in libytnef and a tnef attachment
> with invalid UTF-8.
> 
> That's a known bug and has already been fixed in libytnef.
> https://github.com/Yeraze/ytnef/pull/63
> 
> You need to upgrade libytnef to version 1.9.3.

That's not easy. Version 1.9.3 isn't available for fedora. However, after having
removed the tnef plugin, I receive mail again. 

Thanks for the help.

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From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Tue Nov 27 15:18:10 2018
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 14:18:10 +0000
Subject: [Users] Critical error.
In-Reply-To: <20181127135519.54433e1d@Erik-PC.epolan.dk>
References: <20181127101504.342671c0@Erik-PC.epolan.dk>
 <20181127112741.55724c65@localhost>
 <20181127135519.54433e1d@Erik-PC.epolan.dk>
Message-ID: <20181127141810.00006cfa@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 13:55:19 +0100
Erik P. Olsen wrote:

> > You need to upgrade libytnef to version 1.9.3.  
> 
> That's not easy. Version 1.9.3 isn't available for fedora. However,
> after having removed the tnef plugin, I receive mail again. 

It's quite easy to rebuild it using the tarball from github, the latest
in Fedora 29 is 1.9.2 and updating to 1.9.3 using the spec file from
the src rpm as the basis took me about 3 minutes.

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From removed-gdpr at example.com  Tue Nov 27 17:56:20 2018
From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed after GDPR request)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 18:56:20 +0200
Subject: [Users] Replies appear as unread in ignored thread
Message-ID: <20181127185620.56f0ac79@localhost>

Hi,

I notice something strange on one specific list:

http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cfe-dev

1. I mark a thread as ignored (right clicking on its
very first message)

2. When a reply to that thread is posted it appears in
CM as unread rather than being ignored too. (check
attached screenshot - the message after the selected
one).

I have seen this happen only in this list and in more
than one thread. The only filter which applies to this
list just moves the message to a folder:

Condition: header "List-Id" matchcase "cfe-dev.lists.llvm.org" | to_or_cc matchcase "cfe-dev at lists.llvm.org"

Action: move "#mh/Mailbox/cfe-dev"

I have no filters which would explicitly mark a
message as unread.

Has this anything to do with CM or is it a bug of the
list?

version 3.17.0git181

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From epodata at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 10:09:00 2018
From: epodata at gmail.com (Erik P. Olsen)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 10:09:00 +0100
Subject: [Users] Critical error.
In-Reply-To: <20181127141810.00006cfa@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <20181127101504.342671c0@Erik-PC.epolan.dk>
 <20181127112741.55724c65@localhost>
 <20181127135519.54433e1d@Erik-PC.epolan.dk>
 <20181127141810.00006cfa@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20181128100900.75c23a6a@Erik-PC.epolan.dk>

On 2018-11-27 at 14:18:10 Brian Morrison wrote:

> It's quite easy to rebuild it using the tarball from github, the latest
> in Fedora 29 is 1.9.2 and updating to 1.9.3 using the spec file from
> the src rpm as the basis took me about 3 minutes.
 
Can you tell me where I can read about how to do it. I don't know what a spec file
is and how to find the 1.9.3 source code.

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From msuchanek at suse.de  Wed Nov 28 13:07:21 2018
From: msuchanek at suse.de (Michal =?UTF-8?B?U3VjaMOhbmVr?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:07:21 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4104] SMTP doesn't work over VPN
In-Reply-To: <20181028195553.6bed5355@penny>
References: <bug-4104-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-4104-595-Rn1r8GSoa2@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20181027000337.27dd4081@naga.suse.cz>
 <20181027074139.68a11ccc@localhost>
 <20181028185447.562e5800@naga.suse.cz>
 <20181028195553.6bed5355@penny>
Message-ID: <20181128130710.2db4d532@naga.suse.cz>

On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 19:55:53 +0100
Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 18:54:47 +0100
> Michal Suchánek wrote:
> 
> > >     
> > > > These problems tend to affect SMTP
> > > > earlier than IMAP but over time both protocols are affected and
> > > > claws cannot do any networking until restarted.      
> > > 
> > > It would be good to see some justification of these statements.    
> > 
> > What do you want as justification? It just breaks from time to time.
> > Not often enough to see a pattern that warrants a bug report. No useful
> > information in the log either.  
> 
> Have you tried attaching strace, or gdb to the claws-mail process when
> it's in that "state", and looking at what happens when it tries to
> access network? I'm not saying it will reveal something obvious, but it
> might be worth looking at that...

Looks like problem is quite simple. claws uses a child process to
connect to the SMTP server. There is a memory leak in claws which
causes it to increase its memory footprint over time. At some point the
claws process is so big that the kernel thinks it cannot be forked and
fork() returns ENOMEM. Then SMTP stops working. Restarting claws
decreases the memory footprint again leading the SMTP working again.

Thanks

Michal


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov 28 13:49:51 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:49:51 -0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4104] SMTP doesn't work over VPN
In-Reply-To: <20181128130710.2db4d532@naga.suse.cz>
References: <bug-4104-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-4104-595-Rn1r8GSoa2@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20181027000337.27dd4081@naga.suse.cz>
 <20181027074139.68a11ccc@localhost>
 <20181028185447.562e5800@naga.suse.cz>
 <20181028195553.6bed5355@penny>
 <20181128130710.2db4d532@naga.suse.cz>
Message-ID: <20181128124951.0df0ffb9@localhost>

On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:07:21 +0100
Michal Suchánek <msuchanek at suse.de> wrote: 

> Looks like problem is quite simple. claws uses a child process to
> connect to the SMTP server. There is a memory leak in claws which
> causes it to increase its memory footprint over time. At some point
> the claws process is so big that the kernel thinks it cannot be
> forked and fork() returns ENOMEM. Then SMTP stops working.
> Restarting claws decreases the memory footprint again leading the
> SMTP working again.

That's an interesting theory. Do you have anything more? Do you
suggest that the solution is quite simple, like the problem? Do you
have a patch?

with regards

Paul


From msuchanek at suse.de  Wed Nov 28 13:57:07 2018
From: msuchanek at suse.de (Michal =?UTF-8?B?U3VjaMOhbmVr?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:57:07 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4104] SMTP doesn't work over VPN
In-Reply-To: <20181128124951.0df0ffb9@localhost>
References: <bug-4104-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:49:51 -0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:07:21 +0100
> Michal Suchánek <msuchanek at suse.de> wrote: 
> 
> > Looks like problem is quite simple. claws uses a child process to
> > connect to the SMTP server. There is a memory leak in claws which
> > causes it to increase its memory footprint over time. At some point
> > the claws process is so big that the kernel thinks it cannot be
> > forked and fork() returns ENOMEM. Then SMTP stops working.
> > Restarting claws decreases the memory footprint again leading the
> > SMTP working again.  
> 
> That's an interesting theory. Do you have anything more? Do you
> suggest that the solution is quite simple, like the problem? Do you
> have a patch?

I don't have a simple solution for memory leaks, unfortunately. What
can be done is more clearly reporting the ENOMEM when forking I suppose.

Thanks

Michal


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov 28 14:00:58 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:00:58 -0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4104] SMTP doesn't work over VPN
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:57:07 +0100
Michal Suchánek <msuchanek at suse.de> wrote: 

> I don't have a simple solution for memory leaks, unfortunately. What
> can be done is more clearly reporting the ENOMEM when forking I
> suppose.

Do you have the --debug output for when this happens?

with regards

Paul


From msuchanek at suse.de  Wed Nov 28 14:27:07 2018
From: msuchanek at suse.de (Michal =?UTF-8?B?U3VjaMOhbmVr?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:27:07 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4104] SMTP doesn't work over VPN
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:00:58 -0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:57:07 +0100
> Michal Suchánek <msuchanek at suse.de> wrote: 
> 
> > I don't have a simple solution for memory leaks, unfortunately. What
> > can be done is more clearly reporting the ENOMEM when forking I
> > suppose.  
> 
> Do you have the --debug output for when this happens?
>

No. It is reported in the terminal as 

fork: Cannot allocate memory

but it is not reported in the networking log window at all. Without
logging the terminal messages or tracing claws you have no idea what
happened.

Thanks

Michal


From mir at miras.org  Wed Nov 28 14:41:46 2018
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:41:46 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4104] SMTP doesn't work over VPN
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You could run claws with gdb.

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Den 28. nov. 2018 14.27, fra 14.27, "Michal Suchánek" <msuchanek at suse.de> skrev:
>On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:00:58 -0000
>Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:57:07 +0100
>> Michal Suchánek <msuchanek at suse.de> wrote: 
>> 
>> > I don't have a simple solution for memory leaks, unfortunately.
>What
>> > can be done is more clearly reporting the ENOMEM when forking I
>> > suppose.  
>> 
>> Do you have the --debug output for when this happens?
>>
>
>No. It is reported in the terminal as 
>
>fork: Cannot allocate memory
>
>but it is not reported in the networking log window at all. Without
>logging the terminal messages or tracing claws you have no idea what
>happened.
>
>Thanks
>
>Michal
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From rol at witbe.net  Wed Nov 28 14:57:35 2018
From: rol at witbe.net (Paul Rolland (=?UTF-8?B?44Od44O844Or44O744Ot44Op44Oz?=))
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:57:35 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4104] SMTP doesn't work over VPN
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Hello,

On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:27:07 +0100
Michal Suchánek <msuchanek at suse.de> wrote:

> No. It is reported in the terminal as 
> 
> fork: Cannot allocate memory
> 
> but it is not reported in the networking log window at all. Without
> logging the terminal messages or tracing claws you have no idea what
> happened.

Could it be conn_data->lookup_data not being freed ?

Not sure though, I'm not familiar with common/socket.c...

Paul



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From msuchanek at suse.de  Wed Nov 28 17:17:53 2018
From: msuchanek at suse.de (Michal =?UTF-8?B?U3VjaMOhbmVr?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 17:17:53 +0100
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:57:35 +0100
"Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン)" <rol at witbe.net> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:27:07 +0100
> Michal Suchánek <msuchanek at suse.de> wrote:
> 
> > No. It is reported in the terminal as 
> > 
> > fork: Cannot allocate memory
> > 
> > but it is not reported in the networking log window at all. Without
> > logging the terminal messages or tracing claws you have no idea what
> > happened.  
> 
> Could it be conn_data->lookup_data not being freed ?
> 
> Not sure though, I'm not familiar with common/socket.c...
> 

It looks like this code:

#ifndef G_OS_WIN32
        if ((lookup_data->child_pid = fork()) < 0) {
                perror("fork");
                func(NULL, data);
                g_free (lookup_data->hostname);
                g_free (lookup_data);
                return NULL;
        }

It produces the observed message and never propagates a meaningful
error. There you go.

Thanks

Michal
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov 28 17:30:02 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 16:30:02 -0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4104] SMTP doesn't work over VPN
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 17:17:53 +0100
Michal Suchánek <msuchanek at suse.de> wrote: 

> It produces the observed message and never propagates a meaningful
> error. There you go.

Yes, like you already said:

fork: Cannot allocate memory

with regards

Paul


From mir at miras.org  Wed Nov 28 17:51:08 2018
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 17:51:08 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4104] SMTP doesn't work over VPN
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 17:17:53 +0100
Michal Suchánek <msuchanek at suse.de> wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:57:35 +0100
> "Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン)" <rol at witbe.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:27:07 +0100
> > Michal Suchánek <msuchanek at suse.de> wrote:
> >   
> > > No. It is reported in the terminal as 
> > > 
> > > fork: Cannot allocate memory
> > > 
> > > but it is not reported in the networking log window at all.
> > > Without logging the terminal messages or tracing claws you have
> > > no idea what happened.    
> > 
> > Could it be conn_data->lookup_data not being freed ?
> > 
> > Not sure though, I'm not familiar with common/socket.c...
> >   
> 
> It looks like this code:
> 
> #ifndef G_OS_WIN32
>         if ((lookup_data->child_pid = fork()) < 0) {
>                 perror("fork");
>                 func(NULL, data);
>                 g_free (lookup_data->hostname);
>                 g_free (lookup_data);
>                 return NULL;
>         }
> 
> It produces the observed message and never propagates a meaningful
> error. There you go.
> 
RETURN VALUE
On success, the PID of the child process is returned in the parent, and
0 is returned in the child. On failure, -1 is returned in the parent,
no child process is created, and errno is set appropriately.

.....
ENOMEM
fork() failed to allocate the necessary kernel structures because
memory is tight.

CONFORMING TO SVr4, 4.3BSD, POSIX.1-2001.

So it does not necessarily mean that claws is leaking memory. It could
also be because other processes running on your system has taken all
available memory.

Try use top to see what is using memory.

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From msuchanek at suse.de  Wed Nov 28 18:10:36 2018
From: msuchanek at suse.de (Michal =?UTF-8?B?U3VjaMOhbmVr?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:10:36 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4104] SMTP doesn't work over VPN
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 17:51:08 +0100
Michael Rasmussen <mir at miras.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 17:17:53 +0100
> Michal Suchánek <msuchanek at suse.de> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:57:35 +0100
> > "Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン)" <rol at witbe.net> wrote:
> >   
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:27:07 +0100
> > > Michal Suchánek <msuchanek at suse.de> wrote:
> > >     
> > > > No. It is reported in the terminal as 
> > > > 
> > > > fork: Cannot allocate memory
> > > > 
> > > > but it is not reported in the networking log window at all.
> > > > Without logging the terminal messages or tracing claws you have
> > > > no idea what happened.      
> > > 
> > > Could it be conn_data->lookup_data not being freed ?
> > > 
> > > Not sure though, I'm not familiar with common/socket.c...
> > >     
> > 
> > It looks like this code:
> > 
> > #ifndef G_OS_WIN32
> >         if ((lookup_data->child_pid = fork()) < 0) {
> >                 perror("fork");
> >                 func(NULL, data);
> >                 g_free (lookup_data->hostname);
> >                 g_free (lookup_data);
> >                 return NULL;
> >         }
> > 
> > It produces the observed message and never propagates a meaningful
> > error. There you go.
> >   
> RETURN VALUE
> On success, the PID of the child process is returned in the parent, and
> 0 is returned in the child. On failure, -1 is returned in the parent,
> no child process is created, and errno is set appropriately.
> 
> .....
> ENOMEM
> fork() failed to allocate the necessary kernel structures because
> memory is tight.
> 
> CONFORMING TO SVr4, 4.3BSD, POSIX.1-2001.
> 
> So it does not necessarily mean that claws is leaking memory. It could
> also be because other processes running on your system has taken all
> available memory.
> 
> Try use top to see what is using memory.
> 

According to top it is claws using memory. It's the top offender. Also
when I run claws it takes about 700M virtual/60M resident. When I open a
small folder this does not change much. When I open inbox this grows to
like 2G VSS/ 1G RSS, and when I open small folder again it does not get
down. Opening inbox does not seem any faster the second time. So to me
it looks like claws is hoarding large amounts of memory for no good
reason (other than freeing it properly sounds like work). Worse, fork()
has to replicate the page tables for the process and it may run out of
memory for said tables which depend solely on VSS size.

Thanks

Michal
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From ticho at claws-mail.org  Wed Nov 28 21:24:11 2018
From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:24:11 +0100
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:10:36 +0100
Michal Suchánek wrote:

> According to top it is claws using memory. It's the top offender. Also
> when I run claws it takes about 700M virtual/60M resident. When I
> open a small folder this does not change much. When I open inbox this
> grows to like 2G VSS/ 1G RSS, and when I open small folder again it
> does not get down. Opening inbox does not seem any faster the second
> time. So to me it looks like claws is hoarding large amounts of
> memory for no good reason (other than freeing it properly sounds like
> work).

If only it was that simple. :) Besides Claws Mail data, VSS/RSS also
include any data and code objects from shared libraries (libc, glibc,
gtk+, ...). Those are loaded only when first needed, and not merely on
the application startup. That's why e.g. opening of a first folder
makes the memory footprint grow considerably more than opening of a
second folder, regardless of size of either, because for the second
opening operation, most of what's needed is already loaded in memory.

> Worse, fork()
> has to replicate the page tables for the process and it may run out of
> memory for said tables which depend solely on VSS size.

The way I understand it, page tables themselves are not very big,
perhaps 1-2MB of kernel space
("grep VmPTE /proc/$(pidof claws-mail)/status" for exact number at a
given moment). Content of those memory pages is another matter, but
that is not duplicated at the time of fork(). The memory pages are
duplicated and allocated for the child process only when parent of
child writes to them later (copy-on-write).

That's why I find it incredible that on any today's decent desktop
system, things could go as far as fork() reporting ENOMEM.

That said, it is entirely possible that the page tables for our process
grow unnecessarily large, if there is a lot of small memory leaks (or
a few often triggered ones), and there is a lot of small "chunks" of
alloacted memory.

There is a lot of such memory leaks during Claws Mail runtime. Vast
majority of those come from shared libraries the program uses. From
what I remember when running Claws Mail through valgrind's memcheck,
the worst offenders are Glibc, GTK+ and Pango. We cannot do anything
about these leaks on our end, they have to be fixed in code of the
respective libraries.

Of course, Claws Mail itself is not perfect, and also has a few
long-standing tiny memory leaks (there are one or two infuriating leaks
related to toolbar button icons that I just can't figure out even after
hours of looking at the code), but almost all of them only happen once,
during UI initialization on startup, so they should not contribute to
the described problem.

There could also be leaks which are triggered over and over again. Just
a few months ago, we fixed a leak which IIRC leaked a few hundreds
of bytes on every POP3 mail fetch, along with a dozen or so other,
smaller leaks. What can I say, C is hard, and we make mistakes. :)

There are probably other uncaught leaks in the code, perhaps some
triggered only in conditions which I, or whoever bothers running Claws
Mail through valgrind or similar tool, do not happen to have, so they
go undetected, and after weeks of uptime, they inevitably add up.

Regards,
-- 
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From ticho at claws-mail.org  Wed Nov 28 21:39:35 2018
From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:39:35 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4104] SMTP doesn't work over VPN
In-Reply-To: <20181128171753.3c7704e0@kitsune.suse.cz>
References: <bug-4104-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 17:17:53 +0100
Michal Suchánek wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:57:35 +0100
> "Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン)" <rol at witbe.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:27:07 +0100
> > Michal Suchánek <msuchanek at suse.de> wrote:
> >   
> > > No. It is reported in the terminal as 
> > > 
> > > fork: Cannot allocate memory
> > > 
> > > but it is not reported in the networking log window at all. Without
> > > logging the terminal messages or tracing claws you have no idea what
> > > happened.    
> > 
> > Could it be conn_data->lookup_data not being freed ?
> > 
> > Not sure though, I'm not familiar with common/socket.c...
> >   
> 
> It looks like this code:
> 
> #ifndef G_OS_WIN32
>         if ((lookup_data->child_pid = fork()) < 0) {
>                 perror("fork");
>                 func(NULL, data);
>                 g_free (lookup_data->hostname);
>                 g_free (lookup_data);
>                 return NULL;
>         }
> 
> It produces the observed message and never propagates a meaningful
> error. There you go.

Yes, perhas the error could be made a bit more apparent to the user. I
think that this (fork() failing) is one of those situations which nobody
expects to happen, so the author of the code just threw the perror() in
there to have that "fork: Cannot allocate memory" line shown on stderr,
and moved on. :)

Regards,
-- 
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From msuchanek at suse.de  Wed Nov 28 21:44:23 2018
From: msuchanek at suse.de (Michal =?UTF-8?B?U3VjaMOhbmVr?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:44:23 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4104] SMTP doesn't work over VPN
In-Reply-To: <20181128212411.6a13c71e@penny>
References: <bug-4104-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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Message-ID: <20181128214423.7fc08476@kitsune.suse.cz>

On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:24:11 +0100
Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 18:10:36 +0100
> Michal Suchánek wrote:
> 
> > According to top it is claws using memory. It's the top offender. Also
> > when I run claws it takes about 700M virtual/60M resident. When I
> > open a small folder this does not change much. When I open inbox this
> > grows to like 2G VSS/ 1G RSS, and when I open small folder again it
> > does not get down. Opening inbox does not seem any faster the second
> > time. So to me it looks like claws is hoarding large amounts of
> > memory for no good reason (other than freeing it properly sounds like
> > work).  
> 
> If only it was that simple. :) Besides Claws Mail data, VSS/RSS also
> include any data and code objects from shared libraries (libc, glibc,
> gtk+, ...). Those are loaded only when first needed, and not merely on
> the application startup. That's why e.g. opening of a first folder
> makes the memory footprint grow considerably more than opening of a
> second folder, regardless of size of either, because for the second
> opening operation, most of what's needed is already loaded in memory.

And that's not the problem here. I specifically open a small folder
first for comparison. After opening a big folder the occupied memory
grows significantly and never drops.

> 
> > Worse, fork()
> > has to replicate the page tables for the process and it may run out of
> > memory for said tables which depend solely on VSS size.  
> 
> The way I understand it, page tables themselves are not very big,
> perhaps 1-2MB of kernel space
> ("grep VmPTE /proc/$(pidof claws-mail)/status" for exact number at a
> given moment). Content of those memory pages is another matter, but
> that is not duplicated at the time of fork(). The memory pages are
> duplicated and allocated for the child process only when parent of
> child writes to them later (copy-on-write).
> 
> That's why I find it incredible that on any today's decent desktop
> system, things could go as far as fork() reporting ENOMEM.

Processes grow until they occupy all available memory. Plus this is on
a laptop which is more a thin client than a decent machine. I suppose I
could run claws on a remote machine to save memory at the expense of
network bandwidth.

> 
> There could also be leaks which are triggered over and over again. Just
> a few months ago, we fixed a leak which IIRC leaked a few hundreds
> of bytes on every POP3 mail fetch, along with a dozen or so other,
> smaller leaks. What can I say, C is hard, and we make mistakes. :)
> 
> There are probably other uncaught leaks in the code, perhaps some
> triggered only in conditions which I, or whoever bothers running Claws
> Mail through valgrind or similar tool, do not happen to have, so they
> go undetected, and after weeks of uptime, they inevitably add up.

They add up by opening inbox for me. It should be quite easy to run
through valgrind then I suppose.

Thanks

Michal
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From colin at colino.net  Thu Nov 29 14:13:07 2018
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy-Mira)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:13:07 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4104] SMTP doesn't work over VPN
In-Reply-To: <20181128145735.3ac9edbb@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
References: <bug-4104-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:57:35 +0100, "Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン)"
<rol at witbe.net> wrote:

> Could it be conn_data->lookup_data not being freed ?

It is freed in sock_get_address_info_async_cb(). Maybe I missed an
error codepath where it's not freed. Valgrinding for leaks could help.

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From shai at platonix.com  Fri Nov 30 03:22:02 2018
From: shai at platonix.com (Shai Berger)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 04:22:02 +0200
Subject: [Users] Freeze on specific messages retrieval via POP
Message-ID: <20181130041917.67e4c412.shai@platonix.com>

Hi,

In the last few weeks I've run a couple of times into a problem where
specific messages seem to cause Claws to freeze when attempting
retrieval. I haven't found an opportunity to really investigate, but
the symptoms are always the same: During message retrieval (via POP3),
Claws suddenly goes into 100% CPU and stays there, unresponsive, until
killed. A repeat of the retrieval ends the same, at the same point (as
far as the retrieval progress bar, or network log, shows).

Luckily, I can access the mailbox via a web interface. When I do this,
and move the problem message from the inbox folder to another folder
(which is not retrieved by Claws), the retrieval can continue to other
messages (and complete in all cases I encountered, as it seems problem
messages are not all that common).

Tonight I took a debug log too -- a reduced version is attached, if you
see anything there that could help or is missing please let me know.
You can see there that the session starts and progresses nicely
until the POP request "RETR 3366", for which Claws does not record a
response, followed by the messages for being killed. This is 3.17.1,
compiled by myself on Debian testing (because it was the easiest way to
get Fancy), although I've had the experience with a previous version
(3.16.0 with a couple of patches).

I have a similar, separate installation on a laptop (3.16.0git163)
where this never happened -- including when these specific messages
were retrieved, so this is probably something to do with my local
installation -- but I don't know where to begin to look.

In case this matters, I do not use automatic mail checking -- mail
retrieval is always initiated from the "Get Mail" button, and is
usually getting several dozen messages.

Any pointers would be helpful.

Thanks,
	Shai.
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 30 09:41:46 2018
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 08:41:46 -0000
Subject: [Users] Freeze on specific messages retrieval via POP
In-Reply-To: <20181130041917.67e4c412.shai@platonix.com>
References: <20181130041917.67e4c412.shai@platonix.com>
Message-ID: <20181130084146.1853530f@localhost>

On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 04:22:02 +0200
Shai Berger <shai at platonix.com> wrote: 

> Any pointers would be helpful.

First, try unloading the TNEF Parser plugin.

with regards

Paul


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 30 13:22:13 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 12:22:13 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4128] New: Can not display "About",
 "Quit" and "Apply" line of window
Message-ID: <bug-4128-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4128

            Bug ID: 4128
           Summary: Can not display "About", "Quit" and "Apply" line of
                    window
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: clawsker
           Version: GIT
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: if.gnu.linux at gmail.com

Hi,

The laptop I am using has a 1366x768 pixels (361x203 millimeters) screen. In
this laptop, I can not see a section of Clawsker's window where "Info",
"Quit/Exit" and "Apply" buttons lay.

Steps to produce problem:
0. Use a GTK+3 theme
1. Clone Clawsker git repository and compile it after installing necessary
dependencies
2. Start newly compiled Clawsker
3. Look for "Info" button :)

Clawsker version 1.2.0 has a window geometry of 587x700 pixels; but to be
released 1.3.0 version has a window geometry of 950x753 pixels. Both version
can be re-sized horizontally but not vertically.

I tried a couple of GTK+3 and GTK+2 themes. While using GTK+2 themes, window
geometry of Clawsker let me see the hole window. On the other hand, while using
GTK+3 themes, the problem above is occurring.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 30 14:22:20 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:22:20 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4128] Can not display "About",
 "Quit" and "Apply" line of window
In-Reply-To: <bug-4128-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4128-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4128-595-48zn1h9btu@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4128

--- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
Created attachment 1938
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https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1938&action=edit
Adjust height

Can you check if the attached patch fixes the problem for you?

During migrationg I tried to prevent it growing too much, but in a 1920x1200
screen these are small differences and harder to catch, thanks for reporting!
;-)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 30 14:22:38 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:22:38 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4128] Can not display "About",
 "Quit" and "Apply" line of window
In-Reply-To: <bug-4128-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4128-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4128-595-ryc2dhRZYP@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4128

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|UNCONFIRMED                 |NEW
     Ever confirmed|0                           |1

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 30 14:33:57 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:33:57 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4128] Can not display "About",
 "Quit" and "Apply" line of window
In-Reply-To: <bug-4128-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4128-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4128-595-vlz8ZxuJ34@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4128

Numan Demirdöğen <if.gnu.linux at gmail.com> changed:

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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

--- Comment #2 from Numan Demirdöğen <if.gnu.linux at gmail.com> ---
(In reply to comment #1)
> Created attachment 1938 [details]
> Adjust height
> 
> Can you check if the attached patch fixes the problem for you?
> 
> During migrationg I tried to prevent it growing too much, but in a 1920x1200
> screen these are small differences and harder to catch, thanks for
> reporting! ;-)

I confirm that the patch fixed the problem. Thank you for fixing it and fast
response!

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 30 17:15:08 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:15:08 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4129] New: claws-mail freezes during network changes
Message-ID: <bug-4129-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4129

            Bug ID: 4129
           Summary: claws-mail freezes during network changes
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: other
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Windows 2000
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: greencoppermine at yandex.com

claws-mail always freezes if there are any changes to the network while it is
running and it has to be killed manually to overcome this.

The is all versions.

I don't think claws-mail should be affected by network changes while it is up
as long as it isn't directly in the process of doing something. The problem
happens even when claws-mail is just idle sitting by.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 30 17:16:18 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:16:18 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4129] claws-mail freezes during network changes
In-Reply-To: <bug-4129-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4129-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4129-595-16oOUL3ren@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4129

--- Comment #1 from greencoppermine at yandex.com ---
Sorry, this is on Linux and BSD OS's. I don't know anything about the Windows
versions.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 30 17:18:31 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:18:31 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4129] claws-mail freezes during network changes
In-Reply-To: <bug-4129-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4129-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4129

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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                 OS|Windows 2000                |Linux

--- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
Never happens here.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 30 17:21:55 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:21:55 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4129] claws-mail freezes during network changes
In-Reply-To: <bug-4129-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4129-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4129-595-Ta5HgPBCod@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4129

--- Comment #3 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
(In reply to comment #2)
> Never happens here.

That is, you need to tell us more about your set up. e.g. is that IMAP? Are you
using buuilt-in NetworkManger support? etc

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 30 18:11:49 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 17:11:49 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4129] claws-mail freezes during network changes
In-Reply-To: <bug-4129-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4129-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4129-595-bnwbOYb7Na@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4129

--- Comment #4 from greencoppermine at yandex.com ---
Thanks for the reply :) And sorry for the missing details!

No network manager, only manual terminal management. And only IMAP.

I have tested this on a huge rage of setups over an extended time (years) - not
by design, but simply because I use all these systems and have run into this
problem persistently, just never sat down and filed a rapport.

I have tested on Arch, Debian, Mint, Void and FreeBSD.

The problem is persistent and relatively easy to replicate.

One simple way to experience the problem is to:

1. Enable a VPN service (get an IP).
2. Start claws-mail and open an Inbox.
3. Re-start the VPN service (get another IP).
4. Try to read another email.

It's like claws-mail tries to "keep" the connection open all time and since the
IP changes, it freezes up and has to be killed.

Kindest regards.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 30 18:33:51 2018
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 17:33:51 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 4129] claws-mail freezes during network changes
In-Reply-To: <bug-4129-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-4129-595@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-4129-595-wgomddsnD6@https.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4129

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
          Component|Other                       |Folders/IMAP
         Resolution|---                         |WONTFIX

--- Comment #5 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
Yes, IMAP connections are kept alive. So you can either build/use claws-mail
with NetworkManager support, or, click the 'offline' button (or '/File/Offline
Mode') twice, to go offline and then back online when your network changes.

Going into offline mode will terminate the IMAP acconection.

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