From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 1 07:58:59 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 06:58:59 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3957] Claws-Mail 64bit crashes when saving a draft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3957 --- Comment #3 from users at lists.claws-mail.org --- Changes related to this bug have been committed. Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly. You can also get the patch from: http://git.claws-mail.org/ ++ ChangeLog 2018-02-28 19:47:03.203159083 +0100 http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=a73cd56b0852e8e249abe4ae285946f10dc4cf81 Merge: ebbb94b bafb3e4 Author: Colin Leroy Date: Wed Feb 28 19:47:02 2018 +0100 Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=bafb3e43d73525659b4b391526880f5119e06af2 Author: Andrej Kacian Date: Wed Feb 28 19:43:43 2018 +0100 Fix a dumb double-free on Windows. Closes bug 3957: Claws-Mail 64bit crashes when saving a draft --- Comment #4 from Cristian Secară --- I assume bug 3942 should be closed too ? Cristi -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 1 12:28:23 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 11:28:23 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3957] Claws-Mail 64bit crashes when saving a draft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3957 --- Comment #5 from Andrej Kacian --- I want to test it also on different Windows version before closing (I did not have my laptop with me yesterday), but yes, it's the same bug. Thanks for the reminder. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From codejodler at gmx.ch Thu Mar 1 14:56:14 2018 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 14:56:14 +0100 Subject: [Users] Viewing threads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180301145614.0d2a9d95@gandalf.lan3> George, For my POP folders, it works like this: On folder, right click -> properties -> Compose -> Save outgoing message to this folder instead of Sent I believe it would be the same for IMAP (but YMMV). > 3. Is there a way to display a whole thread like a linear sequence in > Claws similar to the "Expand all" function in Gmail's web interface? I would believe that's the default, once a thread is unified in one folder. You can expand / collapse a thread by clicking the tiny triangle icon, and there are some more configuration options in the Preferences. hth 😺 From codejodler at gmx.ch Thu Mar 1 15:08:18 2018 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 15:08:18 +0100 Subject: [Users] Viewing threads In-Reply-To: <20180301145614.0d2a9d95@gandalf.lan3> References: <20180301145614.0d2a9d95@gandalf.lan3> Message-ID: <20180301150818.2af465a1@gandalf.lan3> It works best if you filter -> move incoming things into thematic folders. That said, personally i really do not see a need for a 'sent messages' view. I mean, you can anyway see on first sight (in the message list thread view) if a message was incoming or sent, e.g. if you have summary display the 'from' field. And if you needed all 'sent' messages in one list (say, for deleting them altogether) you can simply sort by this field. And probably there's also some Extended QuickSearch option. [ btw you know the message list fields are customizable in the prefs? Prefs -> Display -> Summaries -> Displayed columns (the second one, scroll way down) ] From removed-gdpr at example.com Thu Mar 1 16:03:33 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 17:03:33 +0200 Subject: [Users] Viewing threads In-Reply-To: <20180301150818.2af465a1@gandalf.lan3> References: <20180301145614.0d2a9d95@gandalf.lan3> <20180301150818.2af465a1@gandalf.lan3> Message-ID: > On folder, right click -> properties -> Compose -> Save outgoing > message to this folder instead of Sent Won't that make the outgoing messages to appear only in the particular folder (and not in Sent)? Ideally what I would want is to still have the outgoing in Sent but be able to see the whole thread in the particular folder in which the incoming message is (the one starting the thread). That is how it is in Gmail's UI. > It works best if you filter -> move incoming things into thematic > folders. I already have that set through filters in Gmail itself. But it makes no sense to create filters for each particular address. It would need hundreds of filters. Or are you suggesting to do that at the root account "folder" and simply choose "Apply to subfolders"? Would that work? > That said, personally i really do not see a need for a 'sent > messages' view. I mean, you can anyway see on first sight (in the > message list thread view) if a message was incoming or sent, e.g. if > you have summary display the 'from' field. And if you needed all > 'sent' messages in one list (say, for deleting them altogether) you > can simply sort by this field. And probably there's also some > Extended QuickSearch option. Actually I thought about that too. But I was hesitant to do it in order no to break any "standard" of how mail is kept server side. > [ btw you know the message list fields are customizable in the prefs? > Prefs -> Display -> Summaries -> Displayed columns (the second one, > scroll way down) ] Yes, I know that. Thanks :) From removed-gdpr at example.com Thu Mar 1 16:15:54 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 17:15:54 +0200 Subject: [Users] Viewing threads In-Reply-To: References: <20180301145614.0d2a9d95@gandalf.lan3> <20180301150818.2af465a1@gandalf.lan3> Message-ID: > On folder, right click -> properties -> Compose -> Save outgoing > message to this folder instead of Sent Actually this won't work in general because when I send from Gmail's UI the outgoing message always goes to Sent. From ticho at claws-mail.org Thu Mar 1 17:32:06 2018 From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 17:32:06 +0100 Subject: [Users] Viewing threads In-Reply-To: References: <20180301145614.0d2a9d95@gandalf.lan3> <20180301150818.2af465a1@gandalf.lan3> Message-ID: <20180301173206.61f7e6e3@penny> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 17:15:54 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > > On folder, right click -> properties -> Compose -> Save outgoing > > message to this folder instead of Sent > > Actually this won't work in general because when I send from Gmail's UI > the outgoing message always goes to Sent. Perhaps open a feature request to Gmail, then? -- Andrej From removed-gdpr at example.com Thu Mar 1 17:35:10 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 18:35:10 +0200 Subject: [Users] Viewing threads In-Reply-To: <20180301173206.61f7e6e3@penny> References: <20180301145614.0d2a9d95@gandalf.lan3> <20180301150818.2af465a1@gandalf.lan3> <20180301173206.61f7e6e3@penny> Message-ID: > Perhaps open a feature request to Gmail, then? Why would I do that? In Gmail everything works as expected - I can always see the whole thread with all the received and sent messages. The question is how to have that in Claws. From de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 20:50:39 2018 From: de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com (de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 14:50:39 -0500 Subject: [Users] Viewing threads In-Reply-To: References: <20180301145614.0d2a9d95@gandalf.lan3> <20180301150818.2af465a1@gandalf.lan3> <20180301173206.61f7e6e3@penny> Message-ID: <5a9859ac.4202c80a.63f63.772b@mx.google.com> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 18:35:10 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: >> Perhaps open a feature request to Gmail, then? > >Why would I do that? In Gmail everything works as expected - I can >always see the whole thread with all the received and sent messages. >The question is how to have that in Claws. Claws is not a database, its an MUA. -- John From codejodler at gmx.ch Thu Mar 1 23:41:10 2018 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 23:41:10 +0100 Subject: [Users] Viewing threads In-Reply-To: <5a9859ac.4202c80a.63f63.772b@mx.google.com> References: <20180301145614.0d2a9d95@gandalf.lan3> <20180301150818.2af465a1@gandalf.lan3> <20180301173206.61f7e6e3@penny> <5a9859ac.4202c80a.63f63.772b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20180301234110.0b9a1b7d@gandalf.lan3> George, I don't use gmail and will not going to verify; but anyway. It may be the case that gmail shows different 'virtual' views no matter where they store those mails for real, and never move anything 'for real'. Maybe their API simply does not have such a feature, not internally and also not for remote MUA clients ? Or maybe you can / need to configure gmail for that feature (e.g. switch off 'all mail'), in addition to claws. Try searching the web. What you can do to help tracking it down is launch another MUA like Thunderbird and compare if they can do it. Try Thunderbird with https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/copy-sent-to-current and note there are some configuration options, e.g. meantioned here https://superuser.com/questions/67488/can-mozilla-thunderbird-show-sent-replies-in-threaded-view/795667 which is arguably some years old now. John, > Claws is not a database, its an MUA. Well at least for POP a MUA does some storage management which could be described as (simple) database. But you probably meant that a MUA is rather acting as just a frontend to the server side database when using the IMAP protocol. Still, the question is, who is not compliant here: gmail, claws, or maybe even the IMAP specs are lacking ? From removed-gdpr at example.com Thu Mar 1 23:57:42 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 00:57:42 +0200 Subject: [Users] Viewing threads In-Reply-To: <20180301234110.0b9a1b7d@gandalf.lan3> References: <20180301145614.0d2a9d95@gandalf.lan3> <20180301150818.2af465a1@gandalf.lan3> <20180301173206.61f7e6e3@penny> <5a9859ac.4202c80a.63f63.772b@mx.google.com> <20180301234110.0b9a1b7d@gandalf.lan3> Message-ID: > I don't use gmail and will not going to verify; but anyway. It may be > the case that gmail shows different 'virtual' views no matter where > they store those mails for real, and never move anything 'for real'. > Maybe their API simply does not have such a feature, not internally > and also not for remote MUA clients ? Or maybe you can / need to > configure gmail for that feature (e.g. switch off 'all mail'), in > addition to claws. Try searching the web. Yes, obviously Gmail has different views scheme. "All mail" cannot be turned off. It can only be hidden from IMAP but it is still there and contains all emails. I suppose internally the database stores everything in "All mail" and simply tags/labels the messages imitating folders in this way optimizing storage usage. Another thing about which I read is that in Gmail when you label/folder a message - only the first message in the thread is labeled. That obviously creates a mess for a MUA like Claws. > What you can do to help tracking it down is launch another MUA like > Thunderbird and compare if they can do it. I have deliberately moved away from all Mozilla products. They leak info in the background connecting to hosts of Amazon, Akamai etc. I don't need their "privacy" and telemetry nonsense :) Claws is the best thing I have found so far. > But you probably meant that a MUA is rather acting as just a frontend > to the server side database when using the IMAP protocol. Still, the > question is, who is not compliant here: gmail, claws, or maybe even > the IMAP specs are lacking ? Good question. When I tested Thunderbird some time ago for example it had a feature to show in which locations (labels/folders) the current message is which is similar to how Gmail puts visually labels in the message list. Claws doesn't seem to have that unfortunately. Another thing which I found lacking in Claws is the ability to select more than one folder and see the messages in all selected folders. If that was possible then I suppose it would not be difficult to have a config option for seeing treads which span across folders. From removed-gdpr at example.com Fri Mar 2 00:39:40 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 01:39:40 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? Message-ID: Hi, I have a folder with 3000+ DMARC reports. Each message seems to contain one .zip or .xml.gz attachment. How can I save all attached files in these messages to a local folder, so that I can unpack and parse the reports for further analysis? From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Mar 2 04:00:27 2018 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 04:00:27 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> George, Huh and i had exactly the same question yesterday, but wouldn't ask. But now i just found http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Actions -> Examples -> Save attachments and it seems to be what you are asking for. Claws actions basically work e.g. like piping the mail file "| your_script" or using %F like in the example. You can apply that action on all mails with attachment by sorting after attachment column and then mark these all; or use the 'ha' extendet search. Then right-click -> actions. With 3000 mails still could be calling for trouble, so good luck (x * With IMAP, you probably need to have all mails fully download of course. From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Fri Mar 2 11:32:50 2018 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 10:32:50 +0000 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> Message-ID: <20180302113250.00001497@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 04:00:27 +0100 Michael wrote: > George, > > Huh and i had exactly the same question yesterday, but wouldn't ask. > > But now i just found http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Actions > -> Examples -> Save attachments and it seems to be what you are > asking for. > > Claws actions basically work e.g. like piping the mail file "| > your_script" or using %F like in the example. You can apply that > action on all mails with attachment by sorting after attachment > column and then mark these all; or use the 'ha' extendet search. Then > right-click -> actions. With 3000 mails still could be calling for > trouble, so good luck (x > > * With IMAP, you probably need to have all mails fully download of > course. _______________________________________________ You can also use the Perl and Python plugins to do clever stuff, but of course it means some effort on the part of the user. The developer community for Claws is a core of maybe half a dozen people, so new features are often slow to appear or aimed at particular itches that the devs need to scratch. Help is always welcome. -- Brian Morrison From removed-gdpr at example.com Fri Mar 2 12:12:10 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 13:12:10 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> Message-ID: > But now i just found http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Actions > -> Examples -> Save attachments and it seems to be what you are > asking for. Thanks Michael. Unfortunately on openSUSE Leap 42.3 I can't find a package which provides munpack. After some web searching I found an alternative: https://superuser.com/questions/187106/extract-save-a-mail-attachment-using-bash However trying that directly in claws gave me some error. So I saved manually one message in a temp directory and tried from console: ---- [/tmp/download]: metamail -yw msg Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 10:13:53 +0000 Subject: Report domain: ████████ Submitter: ████████ From: noreply-dmarc-support at google.com To: ████████ This message contains data in an unrecognized format, application/zip, which can either be viewed as text or written to a file. What do you want to do with the application/zip data? 1 -- See it as text 2 -- Write it to a file 3 -- Just skip it 2 Please enter the name of a file to which the data should be written (Default: ████████.zip) > Wrote file ████████.zip ---- In other words it works but I can't figure a way how to avoid the interactive prompt as obviously it is not an option for 3000 mails. Any idea how to do that? Maybe it could help to add another option to the docs. From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Mar 2 16:43:27 2018 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 16:43:27 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: <20180302113250.00001497@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302113250.00001497@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20180302164327.37fa39c1@gandalf.lan3> > You can also use the Perl and Python plugins to do clever stuff, but of > course it means some effort on the part of the user. True. For starters, one could try modify the attachment remover plugin to have the options to save only, remove only, or save and remove. I was enteretaining an action shellscript using uudecode (to convert from base64), but there are different types of attachments and i am not into that. For sure it needs some devel time and testing. And if we are talking 3000 mails then bash is not exactly the fastest thing. If mpack works as explained then there's no need for all that hassle. From dave at howorth.org.uk Fri Mar 2 17:17:40 2018 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 16:17:40 +0000 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> Message-ID: <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 13:12:10 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > > But now i just found > > http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Actions -> Examples -> Save > > attachments and it seems to be what you are asking for. > > Thanks Michael. Unfortunately on openSUSE Leap 42.3 I can't find a > package which provides munpack. Interesting. When I search for 'opensuse munpack' without the quotes in google, the first hit describes 'Mpack and munpack are utilities for encoding and decoding (respectively) binary files in MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) format mail messages'. Clicking on the link shows that the mpack package now appears to be something different 'Multiple precision linear algebra package' but the google cache currently shows what was there. Unfortunately the actual package links seem to go to the new meaning. Reusing package names for something completely different seems like a bad idea to me, but what do I know? :( It seems that metamail is recommended as an alternative to munpack, since the cache says 'For a more sophisticated MIME implementation, MetaMail'. metamail is available from the standard repositories and indeed is already installed on my system for some reason, although I've never selected it specifically. It's man page looks like it might conceivably do the job, but I haven't studied it closely or done any experiments. That is left for the interested reader :) From lfiskgr at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 18:19:16 2018 From: lfiskgr at gmail.com (Leon Fisk) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 13:19:16 -0400 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 16:17:40 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote: >It seems that metamail is recommended as an alternative to munpack, >since the cache says 'For a more sophisticated MIME implementation, >MetaMail'. metamail is available from the standard repositories and >indeed is already installed on my system for some reason, although I've >never selected it specifically. It's man page looks like it might >conceivably do the job, but I haven't studied it closely or done any >experiments. That is left for the interested reader :) I'll add another possibility that might work: http://www.pldaniels.com/ripmime I'm sure I had to build it myself. Needed something that could disassemble ".mht" files I had saved on my computer while web browsing. It worked fine... From removed-gdpr at example.com Fri Mar 2 18:43:49 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 19:43:49 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> Message-ID: With some digging and a little help from Stackoverflow I think I found the answer. The command which worked for me is: export METAMAIL_TMPDIR=/tmp/download; metamail -w -x -q %F > /tmp/export.log Unfortunately for some reason it works only for 1600 mails. If I select 1601 and try to run the action Claws tells me (sanitized the paste): --- Could not fork to execute the following command: export METAMAIL_TMPDIR=/tmp/download; metamail -w -x -q "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/100" "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/99" "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/98" "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/97" "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/96" "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/95" "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/94" "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/93" "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/92" "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/91" "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/90" "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.c --- Also: If my selection contains 1-1236 messages I don't get any dialog. Everything is exported in a single second. If my selection contains 1237-1600 messages the export is somewhat slower (takes a few seconds) and claws shows a dialog (see attached screenshot). And for 1601 and above export is impossible as explained. Another thing: After finishing the export /tmp/download also contains not only the attachments but also some files like: -rw------- 1 ████ users 0 Mar 2 19:19 mm.EcPvNM -rw------- 1 ████ users 152 Mar 2 19:19 mm.eeiyIh Opening one of them (non-zero sized) shows me the text of a mail message. I.e. it seems this extraction also extracts the messages but not all of them. For example selecting 1000 messages and running the action gives me: [/tmp/download]: ls -a *.zip *.gz | wc -l 995 [/tmp/download]: ls -a mm.* | wc -l 384 Perhaps this process could be optimized so that it does not include these mm.* files and that it works with more than 1600 messages but I don't know how. From ticho at claws-mail.org Fri Mar 2 19:35:50 2018 From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 19:35:50 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20180302193550.5ff7e494@penny> On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 19:43:49 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > Unfortunately for some reason it works only for 1600 mails. If I select > 1601 and try to run the action Claws tells me (sanitized the paste): > > --- > Could not fork to execute the following command: > export METAMAIL_TMPDIR=/tmp/download; metamail -w -x -q > "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/100" > "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/99" > "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/98" > "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/97" > "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/96" > "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/95" > "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/94" > "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/93" > "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/92" > "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/91" > "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/████/DMARC/90" > "/home/████/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.c > --- That looks like you're hitting the shell command length limit ("getconf ARG_MAX" to see the exact limit), since this action seems to try doing it all in one command. -- Andrej From removed-gdpr at example.com Fri Mar 2 19:40:49 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 20:40:49 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: <20180302193550.5ff7e494@penny> References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> <20180302193550.5ff7e494@penny> Message-ID: > That looks like you're hitting the shell command length limit > ("getconf ARG_MAX" to see the exact limit), since this action seems > to try doing it all in one command. I suppose that is due to how claws handles the action command, no? Can you suggest an improvement so that no limits are hit and that only the attachments are extracted (i.e. without those mm.* files)? From ticho at claws-mail.org Fri Mar 2 20:52:29 2018 From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 20:52:29 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> <20180302193550.5ff7e494@penny> Message-ID: <20180302205229.587f7011@penny> On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 20:40:49 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > > That looks like you're hitting the shell command length limit > > ("getconf ARG_MAX" to see the exact limit), since this action seems > > to try doing it all in one command. > > I suppose that is due to how claws handles the action command, no? > Can you suggest an improvement so that no limits are hit and that only > the attachments are extracted (i.e. without those mm.* files)? Not at the moment, no. Either the actions system would have to be changed to allow separate handling of each selected message, or the already existing Attachment Remover plugin could be enhanced to be able to save attachments, instead of removing them (and perhaps renamed to Attachment Handler? :) ). Regards, -- Andrej From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Mar 2 21:33:32 2018 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 21:33:32 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: <20180302205229.587f7011@penny> References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> <20180302193550.5ff7e494@penny> <20180302205229.587f7011@penny> Message-ID: <20180302213332.31a11841@gandalf.lan3> > > > That looks like you're hitting the shell command length limit > > > ("getconf ARG_MAX" to see the exact limit), since this action seems > > > to try doing it all in one command. > > > > I suppose that is due to how claws handles the action command, no? > > Can you suggest an improvement so that no limits are hit and that only > > the attachments are extracted (i.e. without those mm.* files)? maybe saving %F as a string into a tempfile and let a small script operate on that From colin at colino.net Fri Mar 2 21:48:35 2018 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 21:48:35 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: <20180302193550.5ff7e494@penny> References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> <20180302193550.5ff7e494@penny> Message-ID: <20180302214835.6c6443c4@mike> On 02 March 2018 at 19h35, Andrej Kacian wrote: Hi, > That looks like you're hitting the shell command length limit > ("getconf ARG_MAX" to see the exact limit), since this action seems > to try doing it all in one command. You could try %f instead of %F. If I remember correctly, running a %F action with N mails selected runs the action once on the list of N mails, and running a %f action runs the action N time with one mail each. It's probably slower though, of course. -- Colin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From colin at colino.net Fri Mar 2 21:55:01 2018 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 21:55:01 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: <20180302214835.6c6443c4@mike> References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> <20180302193550.5ff7e494@penny> <20180302214835.6c6443c4@mike> Message-ID: <20180302215501.4bd11b0f@mike> On 02 March 2018 at 21h48, Colin Leroy wrote: Hi, > > That looks like you're hitting the shell command length limit > > ("getconf ARG_MAX" to see the exact limit), since this action seems > > to try doing it all in one command. > > You could try %f instead of %F. If I remember correctly, running a %F > action with N mails selected runs the action once on the list of N > mails, and running a %f action runs the action N time with one mail > each. It's probably slower though, of course. Testing confirms that :) -- Colin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From removed-gdpr at example.com Fri Mar 2 22:12:35 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 23:12:35 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: <20180302213332.31a11841@gandalf.lan3> References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> <20180302193550.5ff7e494@penny> <20180302205229.587f7011@penny> <20180302213332.31a11841@gandalf.lan3> Message-ID: > maybe saving %F as a string into a tempfile and let a small script > operate on that What does that mean? %F is already a string. How saving it to another string (text file) would change anything? From removed-gdpr at example.com Fri Mar 2 22:12:46 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 23:12:46 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: <20180302215501.4bd11b0f@mike> References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> <20180302193550.5ff7e494@penny> <20180302214835.6c6443c4@mike> <20180302215501.4bd11b0f@mike> Message-ID: > > > That looks like you're hitting the shell command length limit > > > ("getconf ARG_MAX" to see the exact limit), since this action > > > seems to try doing it all in one command. [~]: getconf ARG_MAX 2097152 > > You could try %f instead of %F. If I remember correctly, running a > > %F action with N mails selected runs the action once on the list of > > N mails, and running a %f action runs the action N time with one > > mail each. It's probably slower though, of course. > > Testing confirms that :) It doesn't confirm it for me. I replaced %F with %f, selected all the 3000+ messages and called the action. The result was: 645 files appeared in the target directory, claws showed a dialog with title "Error" and empty window below and I had to kill the process. From colin at colino.net Fri Mar 2 22:16:44 2018 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 22:16:44 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> <20180302193550.5ff7e494@penny> <20180302214835.6c6443c4@mike> <20180302215501.4bd11b0f@mike> Message-ID: <20180302221644.6c1340d0@mike> On 02 March 2018 at 23h12, Removed GDPR wrote: Hi, > It doesn't confirm it for me. I replaced %F with %f, selected all the > 3000+ messages and called the action. The result was: 645 files > appeared in the target directory, claws showed a dialog with title > "Error" and empty window below and I had to kill the process. Could you send us the end of the debug log when that happens? (claws-mail --debug) -- Colin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From removed-gdpr at example.com Fri Mar 2 22:46:20 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 23:46:20 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: <20180302221644.6c1340d0@mike> References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> <20180302193550.5ff7e494@penny> <20180302214835.6c6443c4@mike> <20180302215501.4bd11b0f@mike> <20180302221644.6c1340d0@mike> Message-ID: > Could you send us the end of the debug log when that happens? > (claws-mail --debug) Attached. I have hidden the specific hex and other numbers as I don't know what they mean and what info they may contain (passwords or anything else). -------------- next part -------------- // before that ther are many similar lines... action.c:981:spawning export METAMAIL_TMPDIR=/tmp/download; metamail -w -x -q "/home/������������/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/������������/DMARC/405" > /tmp/export.log: 1 imap.c:1552:trying to fetch cached /home/������������/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/������������/DMARC/404 imap.c:1562:message 404 has been already fully cached. action.c:981:spawning export METAMAIL_TMPDIR=/tmp/download; metamail -w -x -q "/home/������������/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/������������/DMARC/404" > /tmp/export.log: 1 imap.c:1552:trying to fetch cached /home/������������/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/������������/DMARC/403 imap.c:1562:message 403 has been already fully cached. action.c:981:spawning export METAMAIL_TMPDIR=/tmp/download; metamail -w -x -q "/home/������������/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/������������/DMARC/403" > /tmp/export.log: 0 alertpanel.c:254:Creating alert panel dialog... alertpanel.c:213:called inc_lock (lock count 1) action.c:1522:Catching grand child's output. action.c:1168:Freeing children data 0x������������ action.c:1522:Catching grand child's output. (claws-mail:19503): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_destroy: assertion 'GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed action.c:1522:Catching grand child's output. action.c:1168:Freeing children data 0x������������ *** Error in `claws-mail': double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x������������ *** ======= Backtrace: ========= /lib64/libc.so.6(+0x������������)[0x������������] /lib64/libc.so.6(+0x������������)[0x������������] /lib64/libc.so.6(+0x������������)[0x������������] claws-mail[0x������������] claws-mail[0x������������] claws-mail[0x������������] claws-mail[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_main_context_dispatch+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0(+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_main_context_iteration+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_main_iteration+0x������������)[0x������������] claws-mail[0x������������] claws-mail(alertpanel_error+0x������������)[0x������������] claws-mail[0x������������] claws-mail[0x������������] claws-mail[0x������������] claws-mail[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_closure_invoke+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0(+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_signal_emit_valist+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_signal_emit+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_widget_activate+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_menu_shell_activate_item+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_closure_invoke+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0(+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_signal_emit_valist+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0(g_signal_emit+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_propagate_event+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_main_do_event+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0(+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_main_context_dispatch+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0(+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_main_loop_run+0x������������)[0x������������] /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_main+0x������������)[0x������������] claws-mail(main+0x������������)[0x������������] /lib64/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0x������������)[0x������������] claws-mail(_start+0x������������)[0x������������] ======= Memory map: ======== ������������-������������ r-xp ������������ 08:35 ������������ /usr/bin/claws-mail ������������-������������ r--p ������������ 08:35 ������������ /usr/bin/claws-mail ������������-������������ rw-p ������������ 08:35 ������������ /usr/bin/claws-mail ������������-������������ rw-p ������������ 00:00 ������������ ������������-������������ rw-p ������������ 00:00 ������������ [heap] ������������-������������ rw-p ������������ 00:00 ������������ ������������-������������ ---p ������������ 00:00 ������������ ������������-������������ rw-p ������������ 00:00 ������������ ������������-������������ ---p ������������ 00:00 ������������ ������������-������������ rw-s ������������ 00:12 ������������ /dev/shm/pulse-shm-320768811 ������������-������������ rw-p ������������ 00:00 ������������ ������������-������������ ---p ������������ 00:00 ������������ ������������-������������ rw-s ������������ 00:05 ������������ /SYSV00000000 (deleted) ������������-������������ ---p ������������ 00:00 ������������ ������������-������������ rw-p ������������ 00:00 ������������ ������������-������������ rw-s ������������ 00:05 ������������ /memfd:pulseaudio (deleted) ������������-������������ rw-p ������������ 00:00 ������������ ������������-������������ ---p ������������ 00:00 ������������ ������������-������������ r--s ������������ 00:13 ������������ /var/run/nscd/dbm1GF5g (deleted) ������������-������������ r-xp ������������ 08:35 ������������ /usr/lib64/libcanberra-0.30/libcanberra-oss.so ������������-������������ ---p ������������ 08:35 ������������ /usr/lib64/libcanberra-0.30/libcanberra-oss.so ������������-������������ r--p ������������ 08:35 ������������ /usr/lib64/libcanberra-0.30/libcanberra-oss.so ������������-������������ rw-p ������������ 08:35 ������������ /usr/lib64/libcanberra-0.30/libcanberra-oss.so ������������-������������ r-xp ������������ 08:35 ������������ /usr/lib64/libasound.so.2.0.0 ������������-������������ ---p ������������ 08:35 ������������ /usr/lib64/libasound.so.2.0.0 ������������-������������ r--p ������������ 08:35 ������������ /usr/lib64/libasound.so.2.0.0 ������������-������������ rw-p ������������ 08:35 ������������ /usr/lib64/libasound.so.2.0.0 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Here the empty dialog is already shown and I have to kill the program. Killed From colin at colino.net Sat Mar 3 20:22:37 2018 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 20:22:37 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> <20180302193550.5ff7e494@penny> <20180302214835.6c6443c4@mike> <20180302215501.4bd11b0f@mike> <20180302221644.6c1340d0@mike> Message-ID: <20180303202237.652cf9c7@mike> On 02 March 2018 at 23h46, Removed GDPR wrote: Hi, > > Could you send us the end of the debug log when that happens? > > (claws-mail --debug) > > Attached. > > I have hidden the specific hex and other numbers as I don't know what > they mean and what info they may contain (passwords or anything else). That seems like a Claws bug (double free). Can you check if you have the same error with the latest version? -- Colin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From removed-gdpr at example.com Sat Mar 3 20:38:45 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 21:38:45 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: <20180303202237.652cf9c7@mike> References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> <20180302193550.5ff7e494@penny> <20180302214835.6c6443c4@mike> <20180302215501.4bd11b0f@mike> <20180302221644.6c1340d0@mike> <20180303202237.652cf9c7@mike> Message-ID: > That seems like a Claws bug (double free). Can you check if you have > the same error with the latest version? I am using 3.16.0 from: https://build.opensuse.org/package/users/server:mail/claws-mail There is no newer version for openSUSE Leap 42.3: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1080550 From colin at colino.net Sat Mar 3 20:46:50 2018 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 20:46:50 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> <20180302193550.5ff7e494@penny> <20180302214835.6c6443c4@mike> <20180302215501.4bd11b0f@mike> <20180302221644.6c1340d0@mike> <20180303202237.652cf9c7@mike> Message-ID: <20180303204650.3f935440@mike> On 03 March 2018 at 21h38, Removed GDPR wrote: Hi, > > That seems like a Claws bug (double free). Can you check if you have > > the same error with the latest version? > > I am using 3.16.0 from: > > https://build.opensuse.org/package/users/server:mail/claws-mail Oh, it's an unfixed bug then. Could you open a bugzilla bug with the debug log and the backtrace? Thanks, -- Colin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From removed-gdpr at example.com Sat Mar 3 20:53:25 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 21:53:25 +0200 Subject: [Users] Look for 'summary_from_show' hidden preference at http://www.claws-mail.org/manual/claws-mail-manual.html In-Reply-To: References: <20180226112520.4bd5be3f.andrej@kacian.sk> <20180226104201.2e46ae16@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180226123051.31788e89@ladybug> Message-ID: I am not sure if that is a bug but when viewing the Outbox it shows both name and address (unlike other folders). http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3978 If it is not a bug - please someone explain the difference if possible. From ticho at claws-mail.org Sat Mar 3 21:03:54 2018 From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 21:03:54 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: <20180303204650.3f935440@mike> References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> <20180302193550.5ff7e494@penny> <20180302214835.6c6443c4@mike> <20180302215501.4bd11b0f@mike> <20180302221644.6c1340d0@mike> <20180303202237.652cf9c7@mike> <20180303204650.3f935440@mike> Message-ID: <20180303210339.307fa9e7@penny> On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 20:46:50 +0100 Colin Leroy wrote: > On 03 March 2018 at 21h38, Removed GDPR wrote: > > Hi, > > > > That seems like a Claws bug (double free). Can you check if you have > > > the same error with the latest version? > > > > I am using 3.16.0 from: > > > > https://build.opensuse.org/package/users/server:mail/claws-mail > > Oh, it's an unfixed bug then. Could you open a bugzilla bug with the > debug log and the backtrace? Ideally with a backtrace after installing debug symbols for Claws Mail (I'm sure opensuse has a package for that), to fill the empty lines in the backtrace you posted to this thread. -- Andrej -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From removed-gdpr at example.com Sat Mar 3 22:28:13 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 23:28:13 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to save all attachments from all emails in a folder? In-Reply-To: <20180303210339.307fa9e7@penny> References: <20180302040027.0cb75125@gandalf.lan3> <20180302161740.4a18578a@acer-suse.lan> <5a998795.55956b0a.6713a.c763@mx.google.com> <20180302193550.5ff7e494@penny> <20180302214835.6c6443c4@mike> <20180302215501.4bd11b0f@mike> <20180302221644.6c1340d0@mike> <20180303202237.652cf9c7@mike> <20180303204650.3f935440@mike> <20180303210339.307fa9e7@penny> Message-ID: > > Oh, it's an unfixed bug then. Could you open a bugzilla bug with the > > debug log and the backtrace? > > Ideally with a backtrace after installing debug symbols for Claws Mail > (I'm sure opensuse has a package for that), to fill the empty lines in > the backtrace you posted to this thread. http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3979 From removed-gdpr at example.com Sat Mar 3 22:36:46 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 23:36:46 +0200 Subject: [Users] How can I install alternate dictionaries? Message-ID: In preferences section Spell Checking I see only en_US. How can I get other dictionaries? From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Mar 3 22:25:23 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 21:25:23 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3979] New: Hang (with killing needed) during action which extracts attachments Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3979 Bug ID: 3979 Summary: Hang (with killing needed) during action which extracts attachments Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI/Actions Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com STR: 1. "Download messages" from an IMAP folder with 3000+ DMARC reports, each one attached as a .zip or .gz file 2. Execute action: export METAMAIL_TMPDIR=/tmp/download; metamail -w -x -q %f > /tmp/export.log EXPECTED All attachments should be extracted in /tmp/download ACTUAL The program hangs during execution with an empty "Error" dialog and becomes unresponsive - needs killing of the process. In /tmp/download there are only 645 files. Attaching debug log with hidden specific hex and other numbers as I don't know what they mean and what info they may contain (privacy concern). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Mar 3 22:26:01 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 21:26:01 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3979] Hang (with killing needed) during action which extracts attachments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3979 --- Comment #1 from Removed after GDPR request --- Created attachment 1850 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1850&action=edit debug log -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From removed-gdpr at example.com Sat Mar 3 23:17:37 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 00:17:37 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> Message-ID: Can anyone help please? My backup program also shows shows entries like: ~/.claws-mail/tagsdb/#imap// Where are names of IMAP folders which existed before but were deleted long ago. I don't need to backup (or have) unnecessary data. How can I cleanup that mess? I need a clean backup, so that if I need to restore only correct data is there, not some temp or stale files. From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Sun Mar 4 00:29:30 2018 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 23:29:30 +0000 Subject: [Users] How can I install alternate dictionaries? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180304002930.000066ca@prost.fenrir.org.uk> On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 23:36:46 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > In preferences section Spell Checking I see only en_US. > How can I get other dictionaries? I would imagine that you need to look for appropriate packages in the SuSE repos. I don't know any details as I use Fedora but I would expect these to be related to Enchant assuming that's in SuSE. Enchant is a wrapper that uses various other spelling backends. On Fedora I have various packages installed with aspell, hunspell, gspell and gtkspell as part or all of the package names. HTH -- Brian From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 4 09:11:16 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 10:11:16 +0200 Subject: [Users] How can I install alternate dictionaries? In-Reply-To: <20180304002930.000066ca@prost.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20180304002930.000066ca@prost.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: > I would imagine that you need to look for appropriate packages in the > SuSE repos. In YaST I have language packages for aspell, ispell and myspell. I guess the question comes down to: which ones CM takes advantage of, so that I install them? From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 4 10:17:06 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 11:17:06 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to prevent IMAP NOOP? Message-ID: I noticed in the network log that every minute Claws sends a NOOP: [10:55:34] IMAP> 720 NOOP [10:55:34] IMAP< 720 OK Success [10:56:34] IMAP> 721 NOOP [10:56:34] IMAP< 721 OK Success [10:57:34] IMAP> 722 NOOP [10:57:34] IMAP< 722 OK Success ... I don't want the server to know that I am online and that my mail client is running. I want to check my email manually only and not notify anyone what I am doing meanwhile. So how can I prevent this NOOP sequence? From ticho at claws-mail.org Sun Mar 4 11:12:35 2018 From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 11:12:35 +0100 Subject: [Users] How can I install alternate dictionaries? In-Reply-To: References: <20180304002930.000066ca@prost.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20180304111235.21407977@penny> On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 10:11:16 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > > I would imagine that you need to look for appropriate packages in the > > SuSE repos. > > In YaST I have language packages for aspell, ispell and myspell. I > guess the question comes down to: which ones CM takes advantage of, so > that I install them? CM uses the Enchant library[1], which is sort of a front-end to different dictionaries. Most common are aspell and hunspell, so in your case, probably aspell language packages. You should be able to see the new language as an option in CM spellchecking preferences after installing the package(s) and restarting CM. 1. https://abiword.github.io/enchant/ Regards, -- Andrej From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Mar 4 01:03:33 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2018 00:03:33 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3979] Hang (with killing needed) during action which extracts attachments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3979 --- Comment #2 from Andrej Kacian --- Are you sure there is just the one empty error dialog? When I try something like this, I first get an error dialog with: Could not fork to execute the following command: ... Too many open files Only after I close that one, CM continues, and eventually it hangs, sometimes with an empty error dialog. Colin, is there a particular reason why you used g_spawn_async() and not g_spawn_sync() when reworking the actions in commit 52516eabc ? Originally, it was done with fork()+waitpid() combo, which would block the whole program - not ideal, but I don't think the underlying code handles asynchronous children well. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Mar 4 09:06:57 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2018 08:06:57 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3979] Hang (with killing needed) during action which extracts attachments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3979 --- Comment #3 from Removed after GDPR request --- Yes, I am sure. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 4 11:54:36 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:54:36 +0200 Subject: [Users] How can I install alternate dictionaries? In-Reply-To: <20180304111235.21407977@penny> References: <20180304002930.000066ca@prost.fenrir.org.uk> <20180304111235.21407977@penny> Message-ID: Thanks for this info. I actually saw in YaST that I already had myspell-en_US installed so I installed also myspell-bg_BG. Then in preferences I could select the later one as alternate dictionary and enable spell checking with both. However when typing a message - anything typed in Bulgarian gets highlighted as wrongly spelled, i.e. spell checking works only for English. Any idea how to make it work properly? From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 4 12:01:44 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 13:01:44 +0200 Subject: [Users] How can I install alternate dictionaries? In-Reply-To: References: <20180304002930.000066ca@prost.fenrir.org.uk> <20180304111235.21407977@penny> Message-ID: > Any idea how to make it work properly? Tried also ispell - didn't work at all. Then aspell: and now I have proper spell checking for both languages. From lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net Sun Mar 4 17:11:22 2018 From: lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net (Richard) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2018 16:11:22 +0000 Subject: [Users] How to prevent IMAP NOOP? Message-ID: <16E1B21E2744A5030202362A@ritz.innovate.net> > Date: Sunday, March 04, 2018 11:17:06 +0200 > From: Removed GDPR > > I noticed in the network log that every minute Claws sends a NOOP: > > [10:55:34] IMAP> 720 NOOP > [10:55:34] IMAP< 720 OK Success > [10:56:34] IMAP> 721 NOOP > [10:56:34] IMAP< 721 OK Success > [10:57:34] IMAP> 722 NOOP > [10:57:34] IMAP< 722 OK Success > ... > > I don't want the server to know that I am online and that my mail > client is running. I want to check my email manually only and not > notify anyone what I am doing meanwhile. > > So how can I prevent this NOOP sequence? With an IMAP client [in the early days the "I" stood for "interactive"] you will have one active connection to the server for each login and an additional one for each open mail "folder" under a login. So generally that means a minimum of two active connections, often rather more. As such, you can't go "dark" from the perspective of the IMAP server unless you use "offline mode" or otherwise log out. From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 4 17:20:58 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:20:58 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to prevent IMAP NOOP? In-Reply-To: <16E1B21E2744A5030202362A@ritz.innovate.net> References: <16E1B21E2744A5030202362A@ritz.innovate.net> Message-ID: Thanks, I understand. Yes, I found that using "offline mode" stops that. I wonder if it would make sense to request a feature to automatically go offline after checking mail. Otherwise whatever one does locally can really result in his behavior being analyzed and profiled by the server. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Mar 4 15:42:35 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2018 14:42:35 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3979] Hang (with killing needed) during action which extracts attachments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3979 --- Comment #4 from Colin Leroy --- Andrej: I don't really remember. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From codejodler at gmx.ch Sun Mar 4 18:32:49 2018 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:32:49 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to prevent IMAP NOOP? In-Reply-To: References: <16E1B21E2744A5030202362A@ritz.innovate.net> Message-ID: <20180304183249.334d5849@gandalf.lan3> George, > Thanks, I understand. > > Yes, I found that using "offline mode" stops that. I wonder if it would > make sense to request a feature to automatically go offline after > checking mail. Otherwise whatever one does locally can really result in > his behavior being analyzed and profiled by the server. Well, with IMAP 'whatever one does' is anyway there (and logged) on the server .... if you are concerned about privacy, why not go for POP in the first place ? (removing all mails from server after they are d/l) From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 4 18:39:45 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 19:39:45 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to prevent IMAP NOOP? In-Reply-To: <20180304183249.334d5849@gandalf.lan3> References: <16E1B21E2744A5030202362A@ritz.innovate.net> <20180304183249.334d5849@gandalf.lan3> Message-ID: > if you are concerned about privacy, why not go for POP in the first > place ? (removing all mails from server after they are d/l) I am actually considering it. The only thing that is stopping me is that I need to be able to access my email from different computers (and from phone rarely, sometimes) and syncing that would be a pain. Any solutions to that which you could recommend? From codejodler at gmx.ch Sun Mar 4 19:06:24 2018 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 19:06:24 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to prevent IMAP NOOP? In-Reply-To: References: <16E1B21E2744A5030202362A@ritz.innovate.net> <20180304183249.334d5849@gandalf.lan3> Message-ID: <20180304190624.4f0c9016@gandalf.lan3> George, > Any solutions to that which you could recommend? No. That's what IMAP was made for .... Or, maybe, if you're using only Linux, and are that concerned about privacy, could locate your claws config dir and mailbox on an USB flashdrive. And doing daily backups :D From codejodler at gmx.ch Sun Mar 4 19:19:22 2018 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 19:19:22 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to prevent IMAP NOOP? In-Reply-To: <20180304190624.4f0c9016@gandalf.lan3> References: <16E1B21E2744A5030202362A@ritz.innovate.net> <20180304183249.334d5849@gandalf.lan3> <20180304190624.4f0c9016@gandalf.lan3> Message-ID: <20180304191922.10d27aaa@gandalf.lan3> Or go local (in-house) servers. From m8il1ists at gmail.com Sun Mar 4 20:11:18 2018 From: m8il1ists at gmail.com (Kevin Chadwick) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 19:11:18 +0000 Subject: [Users] How to prevent IMAP NOOP? In-Reply-To: References: <16E1B21E2744A5030202362A@ritz.innovate.net> <20180304183249.334d5849@gandalf.lan3> Message-ID: <20180304191118.02074c0f@mechanicum.chadwicks.me.uk> On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 19:39:45 +0200 > Any > solutions to that which you could recommend? You could R-sync your claws folder or use a server that you trust. From bugs.michael at gmx.net Sun Mar 4 21:19:04 2018 From: bugs.michael at gmx.net (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 21:19:04 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to prevent IMAP NOOP? In-Reply-To: References: <16E1B21E2744A5030202362A@ritz.innovate.net> Message-ID: <20180304211904.13ed64fa@gmx.net> On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:20:58 +0200, Removed GDPR wrote: > Yes, I found that using "offline mode" stops that. I wonder if it would > make sense to request a feature to automatically go offline after > checking mail. Otherwise whatever one does locally can really result in > his behavior being analyzed and profiled by the server. Enter offline mode, access your IMAP folders, and Claws Mail would offer going online for 10 minutes. You may refuse and stay offline, of course, but then you would only browse locally cached messages. From dave at howorth.org.uk Sun Mar 4 21:19:36 2018 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 20:19:36 +0000 Subject: [Users] How to prevent IMAP NOOP? In-Reply-To: <20180304191922.10d27aaa@gandalf.lan3> References: <16E1B21E2744A5030202362A@ritz.innovate.net> <20180304183249.334d5849@gandalf.lan3> <20180304190624.4f0c9016@gandalf.lan3> <20180304191922.10d27aaa@gandalf.lan3> Message-ID: <20180304201936.171e58ce@acer-suse.lan> On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 19:19:22 +0100 Michael wrote: > Or go local (in-house) servers. Exactly. Make a POP connection to the remote server and serve your own local requirements from a private IMAP server, such as Dovecot. https://www.dovecot.org/ From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 4 22:26:19 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 23:26:19 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to prevent IMAP NOOP? In-Reply-To: <20180304201936.171e58ce@acer-suse.lan> References: <16E1B21E2744A5030202362A@ritz.innovate.net> <20180304183249.334d5849@gandalf.lan3> <20180304190624.4f0c9016@gandalf.lan3> <20180304191922.10d27aaa@gandalf.lan3> <20180304201936.171e58ce@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: Thanks everyone! Interesting tips. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Mar 5 13:22:05 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 12:22:05 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3980] New: S/MIME gets selected when replying to PGP email Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3980 Bug ID: 3980 Summary: S/MIME gets selected when replying to PGP email Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.15.1 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: minor Priority: P3 Component: Plugins Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: clmabuac.rhn at porcupinefactory.org When replying to undecrypted PGP email, S/MIME gets selected as the default security system. This caused at least one person to get confused "why is my PGP key failing to sign". Observed on Fedora 26, with PGP/Core, PGP/MIME and S/MIME plugins enabled. To reproduce: 1. Receive a PGP-encrypted email *without being able to decrypt it* 2. Hit Reply Results: Options->Privacy systems is set to S/MIME Expected results: Options->Privacy systems is set to PGP -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 6 00:38:53 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 23:38:53 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3981] New: Undo does not restore quoted text color Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3981 Bug ID: 3981 Summary: Undo does not restore quoted text color Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI/Compose Window Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com STR: 1. Open to edit some message containing quoted text. 2. Delete some of the colored quoted text 3. Undo EXPECTED: Quoted text should be colored properly after Undo ACTUAL: All text restored through Undo is the same default color. Attaching a screencast -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 6 00:40:24 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 23:40:24 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3981] Undo does not restore quoted text color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3981 --- Comment #1 from Removed after GDPR request --- Created attachment 1851 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1851&action=edit screencast -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 6 00:45:04 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 23:45:04 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3981] Undo does not restore quoted text color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3981 --- Comment #2 from Removed after GDPR request --- P.S. As it can be seen on the video, after inserting a line before the restored quoted text the colors are restored but not before that. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 6 10:34:39 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2018 09:34:39 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3982] New: tagsdb subdirectory keeps data for deleted IMAP folders Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3982 Bug ID: 3982 Summary: tagsdb subdirectory keeps data for deleted IMAP folders Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Folders/IMAP Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com In the following tree ~/.claws-mail/tagsdb/#imap// are names of IMAP folders which existed but were deleted long ago. This means Claws keeps them although they are not related to any actual data. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From removed-gdpr at example.com Tue Mar 6 10:50:15 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 11:50:15 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to use the 'status' column in message list? Message-ID: <20180306115015.25ad0c22@localhost> I notice that messages in a thread: - don't always have the left arrow icon indicating a replied status - sometimes my own replies have the arrow although the reply was sent to another, not to myself Also messages which are not part of a thread sometimes have the left arrow. So considering these discrepancies: What does that left arrow actually show and how can one use it correctly? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: screenshot.png Type: image/png Size: 87048 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bobgoodwin at fastmail.us Tue Mar 6 12:08:08 2018 From: bobgoodwin at fastmail.us (Bob Goodwin) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 06:08:08 -0500 Subject: [Users] Address problem Message-ID: <79e6b1f3-1472-3dce-8556-4aa9c052dd1d@fastmail.us> I can't send  from my new claws-mail. I used the addresses from received messages in my address book but when used I get a send error message: [05:54:45] ESMTP< 235 2.0.0 OK [05:54:45] ESMTP> MAIL FROM: SIZE=520 [05:54:46] SMTP< 250 2.1.0 Ok [05:54:46] SMTP> RCPT TO: [05:54:46] SMTP< 504 5.5.2 : Recipient address rejected: need fully-qualified address ** error occurred on SMTP session *** Error occurred while sending the message: 504 5.5.2 : Recipient address rejected: need fully-qualified address What is wrong here? Is this complaining about dns? If so, dns is provided by my ISP Viasat and usually works properly. -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-27/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From subscript at free.fr Tue Mar 6 12:34:03 2018 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 12:34:03 +0100 Subject: [Users] Address problem In-Reply-To: <79e6b1f3-1472-3dce-8556-4aa9c052dd1d@fastmail.us> References: <79e6b1f3-1472-3dce-8556-4aa9c052dd1d@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <20180306123403.053b437b@ladybug> Hello Bob, On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 06:08:08 -0500 Bob Goodwin wrote: > I can't send  from my new claws-mail. I used the addresses from received messages in my address book but when used I get a send error message: > > [05:54:45] ESMTP< 235 2.0.0 OK > [05:54:45] ESMTP> MAIL FROM: SIZE=520 > [05:54:46] SMTP< 250 2.1.0 Ok > [05:54:46] SMTP> RCPT TO: > [05:54:46] SMTP< 504 5.5.2 : Recipient address rejected: need fully-qualified address > ** error occurred on SMTP session > *** Error occurred while sending the message: > 504 5.5.2 : Recipient address rejected: need fully-qualified address > > What is wrong here? Is this complaining about dns? If so, dns is provided by my ISP Viasat and usually works properly. What's obviously wrong to me, is that the address, whatever it's really you were sending to or if you replaced the real address with in order to preserve anonymity, is *not* a correct email address. Could you show us the address? Eventually replace few a-z characters by other a-z ones to make it anonymous? Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bobgoodwin at fastmail.us Tue Mar 6 12:51:07 2018 From: bobgoodwin at fastmail.us (Bob Goodwin) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 06:51:07 -0500 Subject: [Users] Address problem In-Reply-To: <20180306123403.053b437b@ladybug> References: <79e6b1f3-1472-3dce-8556-4aa9c052dd1d@fastmail.us> <20180306123403.053b437b@ladybug> Message-ID: <50d85627-8cd7-36d2-4016-b843371df22c@fastmail.us> On 03/06/18 06:34, wwp wrote: > What's obviously wrong to me, is that the address, whatever it's > really you were sending to or if you replaced the real address with > in order to preserve anonymity, is*not* a correct email address. > Could you show us the address? Eventually replace few a-z characters by > other a-z ones to make it anonymous? > > > Regards, > > -- wwp Well I considered that but couldn't see why it is happening. The address book contains:  Rusty rleee at verizon.net So I enter 'r' or 'ru' and press 'Tab' and send. The error message results. I haven't been able to find where that 'R' comes from? Thanks, -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-27/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 From bugs.michael at gmx.net Tue Mar 6 13:15:21 2018 From: bugs.michael at gmx.net (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 13:15:21 +0100 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 11:58:12 +0200, Removed GDPR wrote: > I am subscribed to the users mailing list but it seems linked to the > bug reports. > > How can I configure preferences for bug reports so that I don't receive > (as part of the mailing list subscription): > > - my own bug reports > - my own replies to bug reports > - bug reports by others > > Currently I have the settings as per the attached screenshot. You would need to do that with email filters at your end. Bugzilla's preferences are only for activity within Bugzilla. They don't affect the messages forwarded to the users@ list deliberately as to increase visibility. Only the devs can stop the forwarding in cases where they think that's better. From subscript at free.fr Tue Mar 6 13:15:40 2018 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 13:15:40 +0100 Subject: [Users] Address problem In-Reply-To: <50d85627-8cd7-36d2-4016-b843371df22c@fastmail.us> References: <79e6b1f3-1472-3dce-8556-4aa9c052dd1d@fastmail.us> <20180306123403.053b437b@ladybug> <50d85627-8cd7-36d2-4016-b843371df22c@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <20180306131540.60adb711@ladybug> Hello Bob, On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 06:51:07 -0500 Bob Goodwin wrote: > On 03/06/18 06:34, wwp wrote: > > What's obviously wrong to me, is that the address, whatever it's > > really you were sending to or if you replaced the real address with > > in order to preserve anonymity, is*not* a correct email address. > > Could you show us the address? Eventually replace few a-z characters by > > other a-z ones to make it anonymous? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > -- wwp > > Well I considered that but couldn't see why it is happening. > > The address book contains:  Rusty rleee at verizon.net > > So I enter 'r' or 'ru' and press 'Tab' and send. The error message results. I haven't been able to find where that 'R' comes from? Oh, I see. The address can be either: rleee at verizon.net or Rusty or "Rusty James" What I recommend is that in your address book, when editing your contacts, the "Email Address" field only contain the email address (rleee at verizon.net), not the name (Rusty). "Rusty" must go in the Display Name, First Name, Last Name or nickname field. Claws Mail will put both display name (if set) and address in the To: field of the compose window, at the end, using this form: "display name"
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From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Tue Mar 6 13:33:37 2018 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 09:33:37 -0300 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20180306093337.26b05cfb@ron.cerrocora.org> On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 13:15:21 +0100 Michael Schwendt wrote: > You would need to do that with email filters at your end. subject matchcase "[Users] [Bug" and mark_as_read move "#mh/Mail/Wastebin" Cheers, Ron. -- A closed mouth gathers no foot. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From removed-gdpr at example.com Tue Mar 6 13:46:54 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 14:46:54 +0200 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <20180306093337.26b05cfb@ron.cerrocora.org> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180306093337.26b05cfb@ron.cerrocora.org> Message-ID: > subject matchcase "[Users] [Bug" > and > mark_as_read move "#mh/Mail/Wastebin" Thanks but my question is not how to filter the messages but how NOT to receive the unnecessary ones :) In my case I am using Gmail's server side filtering (which is not as sophisticated as Claws's) as I don't always access mail from Claws and I need to keep my mailbox clean regardless of the mail client in use. IOW: the concern is not for claws mail in particular but about the system which sends around emails. Sending a message to someone else (a bug report) and receiving it without option to disable that is no good. I hope that clarifies. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 6 13:42:57 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2018 12:42:57 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3983] New: Configure does not find "libical" and "libgdata" even the dev packages are installed. Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3983 Bug ID: 3983 Summary: Configure does not find "libical" and "libgdata" even the dev packages are installed. Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Other Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: zaxonxp45 at gmail.com Created attachment 1852 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1852&action=edit ./configure > configure.log Downloaded the source code of claws mail and ran ./configure, then installed libgdatta and libical. However the configure still complains about them. Here is the list of packages: user at localhost:~$ sudo apt search libgdata | grep dev libgdata-dev/oldstable,now 0.16.1-1 i386 [installed] user at localhost:~$ sudo apt search libical | grep dev libical-dev/oldstable,now 1.0-1.3 i386 [installed] user at localhost:~/zzzz/claws-mail-3.16.0$ ./configure > configure.log configure: WARNING: python-config not found. Maybe you need to install development packages for Python. configure: WARNING: "Plugin gdata will not be built; missing libgdata " configure: WARNING: "Plugin perl will not be built; missing libperl " configure: WARNING: "Plugin python will not be built; missing python " configure: WARNING: "Plugin vcalendar will not be built; missing libical " Is it a bug or do I miss something? Regards, Piotr -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From bobgoodwin at fastmail.us Tue Mar 6 16:31:01 2018 From: bobgoodwin at fastmail.us (Bob Goodwin) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 10:31:01 -0500 Subject: [Users] Address problem In-Reply-To: <20180306131540.60adb711@ladybug> References: <79e6b1f3-1472-3dce-8556-4aa9c052dd1d@fastmail.us> <20180306123403.053b437b@ladybug> <50d85627-8cd7-36d2-4016-b843371df22c@fastmail.us> <20180306131540.60adb711@ladybug> Message-ID: <20180306103101.100fe95f.bobgoodwin@fastmail.us> On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 13:15:40 +0100 wwp wrote: > Hello Bob, > > What I recommend is that in your address book, when editing your > contacts, the "Email Address" field only contain the email address > (rleee at verizon.net), not the name (Rusty). "Rusty" must go in the > Display Name, First Name, Last Name or nickname field. > > Claws Mail will put both display name (if set) and address in the To: > field of the compose window, at the end, using this form: > "display name"
. Good, now I think I have the address book file working. Claws definitely requires some learning effort but I am learning. Another problem is the colored text in the received messages, I need to have everything in white text on a black background due to my color perception problems. I can make out the 'red' spelling errors but the blue text in the body is unreadable. Can I change this? Thanks, Bob From removed-gdpr at example.com Tue Mar 6 16:40:40 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 17:40:40 +0200 Subject: [Users] Address problem In-Reply-To: <20180306103101.100fe95f.bobgoodwin@fastmail.us> References: <79e6b1f3-1472-3dce-8556-4aa9c052dd1d@fastmail.us> <20180306123403.053b437b@ladybug> <50d85627-8cd7-36d2-4016-b843371df22c@fastmail.us> <20180306131540.60adb711@ladybug> <20180306103101.100fe95f.bobgoodwin@fastmail.us> Message-ID: > Another problem is the colored text in the received messages, I need > to have everything in white text on a black background due to my color > perception problems. I can make out the 'red' spelling errors but the > blue text in the body is unreadable. Can I change this? Turn off: Preferences > Display > Colors > Other > Enable coloration of message text Then you will have everything black on white. No idea about white on black. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 6 15:52:10 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2018 14:52:10 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3983] Configure does not find "libical" and "libgdata" even the dev packages are installed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3983 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones --- You need higher versions of those libraries, from configure.ac: PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GDATA, libgdata >= 0.17.2, HAVE_GDATA=yes, HAVE_GDATA=no) PKG_CHECK_MODULES(LIBICAL, libical >= 2.0, HAVE_LIBICAL=yes, HAVE_LIBICAL=no) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From bobgoodwin at fastmail.us Tue Mar 6 16:59:54 2018 From: bobgoodwin at fastmail.us (Bob Goodwin) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 10:59:54 -0500 Subject: [Users] Address problem In-Reply-To: References: <79e6b1f3-1472-3dce-8556-4aa9c052dd1d@fastmail.us> <20180306123403.053b437b@ladybug> <50d85627-8cd7-36d2-4016-b843371df22c@fastmail.us> <20180306131540.60adb711@ladybug> <20180306103101.100fe95f.bobgoodwin@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <20180306105954.64518e12.bobgoodwin@fastmail.us> On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 17:40:40 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > > Another problem is the colored text in the received messages, I need > > to have everything in white text on a black background due to my > > color perception problems. I can make out the 'red' spelling errors > > but the blue text in the body is unreadable. Can I change this? > > Turn off: > > Preferences > Display > Colors > Other > Enable coloration of message > text > > Then you will have everything black on white. No idea about white on > black . That works, with the theme I have it produces white text on black. However it doesn't change the qouted text in my reply to you. That's step in the right direction, makes it easier for me, thank you, Bob From subscript at free.fr Tue Mar 6 17:21:00 2018 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 17:21:00 +0100 Subject: [Users] Address problem In-Reply-To: <20180306105954.64518e12.bobgoodwin@fastmail.us> References: <79e6b1f3-1472-3dce-8556-4aa9c052dd1d@fastmail.us> <20180306123403.053b437b@ladybug> <50d85627-8cd7-36d2-4016-b843371df22c@fastmail.us> <20180306131540.60adb711@ladybug> <20180306103101.100fe95f.bobgoodwin@fastmail.us> <20180306105954.64518e12.bobgoodwin@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <20180306172100.35a0ff23@ladybug> Hello Bob, On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 10:59:54 -0500 Bob Goodwin wrote: > On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 17:40:40 +0200 > Removed GDPR wrote: > > > > Another problem is the colored text in the received messages, I need > > > to have everything in white text on a black background due to my > > > color perception problems. I can make out the 'red' spelling errors > > > but the blue text in the body is unreadable. Can I change this? > > > > Turn off: > > > > Preferences > Display > Colors > Other > Enable coloration of message > > text > > > > Then you will have everything black on white. No idea about white on > > black > . > That works, with the theme I have it produces white text on black. > However it doesn't change the qouted text in my reply to you. > > That's step in the right direction, makes it easier for me, thank you, Your needs are a little specific (color perception issues), but you can set up all colors by customizing them in Claws Mail (in addition to what your GTK theme does). To refine color values, change them all in the preferences, under "Enable coloration of message". I'm suggesting NOT to turn this settings off but to change the colors defined below to what you need. Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From brad at fineby.me.uk Tue Mar 6 17:41:57 2018 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 16:41:57 +0000 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180306093337.26b05cfb@ron.cerrocora.org> Message-ID: <20180306164157.5cbd0789@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 14:46:54 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: Hello George, >Thanks but my question is not how to filter the messages but how NOT to >receive the unnecessary ones :) In the same way as I choose not to receive 32kByte+ messages from people: Delete at server. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Everything in life should be free, except the bits that belong to me Selfish Rubbish - Public Image Ltd -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From removed-gdpr at example.com Tue Mar 6 19:06:49 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 20:06:49 +0200 Subject: [Users] How do I search for a message with particular reply-to header value? In-Reply-To: <20180306183502.57066e00@ladybug> References: <20180306183502.57066e00@ladybug> Message-ID: > RTFM? It does not contain an answer to my question. I have tried using Extended filter with headers_cont and headers_part but it doesn't filter the messages as expected. For example headers_cont matchcase "asdf at asdf.com" does not show in the list messages with asdf at asdf.com in the reply-to header. Also: found_in_addressbook "Any" in "addrbook-000006.xml" doesn't filter messages only with addresses from the particularl address book but shows all messages. So I am asking here. From bobgoodwin at fastmail.us Wed Mar 7 12:05:37 2018 From: bobgoodwin at fastmail.us (Bob Goodwin) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 06:05:37 -0500 Subject: [Users] Clear claws mail - Message-ID: <9ce8012a-e766-09ac-d84c-13b857c124d3@fastmail.us> I exited claws and did: [bobg at Box10 ~]$ rm .claws-mail -fr dnf remove claws-mail dnf install claws-mail I even restarted the computer but I still have 90 messages left in the inbox when I start claws. What am I missing? -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-27/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 From subscript at free.fr Wed Mar 7 12:15:44 2018 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 12:15:44 +0100 Subject: [Users] Clear claws mail - In-Reply-To: <9ce8012a-e766-09ac-d84c-13b857c124d3@fastmail.us> References: <9ce8012a-e766-09ac-d84c-13b857c124d3@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <20180307121544.63703e7e@ladybug> Hello Bob, On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 06:05:37 -0500 Bob Goodwin wrote: > I exited claws and did: > > [bobg at Box10 ~]$ rm .claws-mail -fr > > dnf remove claws-mail > > dnf install claws-mail > > I even restarted the computer but I still have 90 messages left in the inbox when I start claws. > > What am I missing? $ rm -Rf ~/Mail Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From removed-gdpr at example.com Wed Mar 7 12:43:44 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 13:43:44 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> Message-ID: Is anyone reading this thread please? From bobgoodwin at fastmail.us Wed Mar 7 12:54:29 2018 From: bobgoodwin at fastmail.us (Bob Goodwin) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 06:54:29 -0500 Subject: [Users] Clear claws mail - In-Reply-To: <20180307121544.63703e7e@ladybug> References: <9ce8012a-e766-09ac-d84c-13b857c124d3@fastmail.us> <20180307121544.63703e7e@ladybug> Message-ID: <7bab56ef-7859-ebbc-8799-5d1e40331ca6@fastmail.us> On 03/07/18 06:15, wwp wrote: >> What am I missing? > $ rm -Rf ~/Mail > . Ok, did that and restated claws, still had 90 listed in Inbox ans 6 in Sent. However, when I "clicked" on those items both cleared to zero! Probably, had I done that an hour ago I would have saved a lot of effort ... Well now I should have a clean claws installation to create filters for again now that I have some understanding of the procedure. Thank you for the help, -- Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box10 FEDORA-27/64bit LINUX XFCE Fastmail POP3 From usenet at karmasailing.uk Wed Mar 7 13:03:01 2018 From: usenet at karmasailing.uk (Bob Williams) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 12:03:01 +0000 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> Message-ID: <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 13:43:44 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > Is anyone reading this thread please? Yes, but it's hard to follow. The conversation seems to jump from Subject: to body message without warning. -- Bob Williams System: Linux 4.4.114-42-default Distro: openSUSE 42.3 (x86_64) Desktop: KDE Frameworks: 5.32.0, Qt: 5.6.2 and Plasma: 5.8.7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From removed-gdpr at example.com Wed Mar 7 13:15:28 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 14:15:28 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> Message-ID: > Yes, but it's hard to follow. The conversation seems to jump from > Subject: to body message without warning. What do you mean jump? Is it not clear from the mail archive thread? Do I have to repeat anything? Please explain. I really need to get this done right. From brad at fineby.me.uk Wed Mar 7 13:56:22 2018 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 12:56:22 +0000 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> Message-ID: <20180307125622.027c9585@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 14:15:28 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: Hello George, I'm not one of the developers, so I *don't* speak on their behalf. Therefore, consider what I say to be the word of a not-so-disinterested onlooker. >What do you mean jump? Is it not clear from the mail archive thread? Do Making us do the work you should be doing - using search engines to find out what you can before asking questions here. Possibly even explaining what steps you've taken to get to where you are. >I have to repeat anything? Please explain. I really need to get this >done right. Since 16 Feb, I have received 234 messages from this list, (not counting messages from bug list, which I put in a different folder), of which 106 have been from you. Very nearly half. Some of those messages had needless attachments: 30k+ images when a few words of text would have done. Often you post in reply to yourself because you've forgotten to add info, or want to correct errors in previous posts, or just want to ask why you've not had an answer. And you've had the cheek to complain about the 'spammy' nature of posting bug reports to the list. I'll just say this: Pot, kettle black. You've complained that CM isn't gmail. Well, no shit Sherlock. If you want to use gmail's features, use gmail. Just don't expect CM to conform to google's world view. People will have started killfiling you by now, I'm sure. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" You criticize us, you say we're sh*t, but we're up here doin' it We're The League - Anti-Nowhere League -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From usenet at karmasailing.uk Wed Mar 7 14:20:47 2018 From: usenet at karmasailing.uk (Bob Williams) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 13:20:47 +0000 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> Message-ID: <20180307132047.4cd53adc@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 14:15:28 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > > Yes, but it's hard to follow. The conversation seems to jump from > > Subject: to body message without warning. > > What do you mean jump? Is it not clear from the mail archive thread? > Do I have to repeat anything? Please explain. I really need to get > this done right. Message-ID: Message-ID: <20180218091955.38dd4334 at kujata> -- Bob Williams System: Linux 4.4.114-42-default Distro: openSUSE 42.3 (x86_64) Desktop: KDE Frameworks: 5.32.0, Qt: 5.6.2 and Plasma: 5.8.7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Wed Mar 7 15:08:54 2018 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 14:08:54 +0000 Subject: [Users] How do I search for a message with particular reply-to header value? In-Reply-To: References: <20180306183502.57066e00@ladybug> Message-ID: <20180307150854.00002b76@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 20:06:49 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > I have tried using > Extended filter with headers_cont and headers_part but it doesn't > filter the messages as expected. Click the ellipsis button on the Search folder dialog and use the resulting filter builder dialog to select Header and then enter Reply-To in the selection box (this can be anything and should be remembered). I just tried it and it works for me. -- Brian Morrison From removed-gdpr at example.com Wed Mar 7 19:02:00 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 20:02:00 +0200 Subject: [Users] How do I search for a message with particular reply-to header value? In-Reply-To: <20180307150854.00002b76@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20180306183502.57066e00@ladybug> <20180307150854.00002b76@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Brian! This works: header "Reply-To" matchcase "some at thing.com" Obviously the key is to type manually "reply-to" From removed-gdpr at example.com Wed Mar 7 19:03:31 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 20:03:31 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180307125622.027c9585@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180307125622.027c9585@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: Brad, > Making us do the work you should be doing - using search engines to > find out what you can before asking questions here. I have searched and I have not found, so I asked. > Possibly even explaining what steps you've taken to get to where you > are. I have read the full man page as suggested by Paul but unfortunately it doesn't answer my question completely. So I have only looked at the file structure and noticed certain undocumented names which caught my attention, so I asked specifically about them. > Since 16 Feb, I have received... I am sorry if you have got more messages from me than you expected. Obviously mailing lists have their cons. From removed-gdpr at example.com Wed Mar 7 19:03:40 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 20:03:40 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180307132047.4cd53adc@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180307132047.4cd53adc@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 13:20:47 +0000 Bob Williams wrote: > Message-ID: > > Message-ID: <20180218091955.38dd4334 at kujata> All I see that Paul replied through modifying the Subject. From usenet at karmasailing.uk Wed Mar 7 19:20:24 2018 From: usenet at karmasailing.uk (Bob Williams) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 18:20:24 +0000 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180307132047.4cd53adc@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> Message-ID: <20180307182024.6deb0158@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 20:03:40 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 13:20:47 +0000 Bob Williams wrote: > > > Message-ID: > > > > Message-ID: <20180218091955.38dd4334 at kujata> > > All I see that Paul replied through modifying the Subject. Precisely. I expect the conversation to take place in the message body. BTW, I think Paul might have done that to point out that your message, to which he was replying, posed one question in the Subject and another in the message body. It sometimes means repeating the same question in both Subject and body, but that does make it easier for your audience. HAND Bob -- Bob Williams System: Linux 4.4.114-42-default Distro: openSUSE 42.3 (x86_64) Desktop: KDE Frameworks: 5.32.0, Qt: 5.6.2 and Plasma: 5.8.7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From removed-gdpr at example.com Wed Mar 7 23:25:37 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 00:25:37 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180307182024.6deb0158@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180307132047.4cd53adc@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180307182024.6deb0158@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> Message-ID: > BTW, I think Paul might have done that to point out that your > message, to which he was replying, posed one question in the Subject > and another in the message body. In this particular case the text in the body rather clarifies the purpose of the question. It doesn't ask about anything different. From myetto1 at nycap.rr.com Wed Mar 7 23:50:10 2018 From: myetto1 at nycap.rr.com (Mike Yetto) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2018 17:50:10 -0500 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180307132047.4cd53adc@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180307182024.6deb0158@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> Message-ID: <691857AD-53D5-4CBD-A09E-368D07ECFB94@nycap.rr.com> On March 7, 2018 5:25:37 PM GMT-05:00, Removed GDPR wrote: >> BTW, I think Paul might have done that to point out that your >> message, to which he was replying, posed one question in the Subject >> and another in the message body. > >In this particular case the text in the body rather clarifies the >purpose of the question. It doesn't ask about anything different. >_______________________________________________ >Users mailing list >Users at lists.claws-mail.org >http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users The Subject: should be a short descriptive statement about the message. The body should be able to stand on its own. In this way there is nothing lost if or when the subject is changed or the thread drifts. This is an simple basic rule of email, mailing lists, and Usenet. The discusion belongs completely in the body. Oh, trim and don't top post. -- Mike Yetto -- Mike From removed-gdpr at example.com Thu Mar 8 00:49:52 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 01:49:52 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <691857AD-53D5-4CBD-A09E-368D07ECFB94@nycap.rr.com> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180307132047.4cd53adc@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180307182024.6deb0158@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <691857AD-53D5-4CBD-A09E-368D07ECFB94@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: > The Subject: should be a short descriptive statement about the > message. The body should be able to stand on its own. In this way > there is nothing lost if or when the subject is changed or the thread > drifts. Is that not the case? Or is there anything unclear in the question that I have to ask in a different way? Or are you explaining in general? > This is an simple basic rule of email, mailing lists, and Usenet. The > discusion belongs completely in the body. I am sure Paul knows much better than me how these things work. FWIW: This is the first time I am using a mailing list. Never touched Usenet. From subscript at free.fr Thu Mar 8 01:29:19 2018 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 01:29:19 +0100 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180307132047.4cd53adc@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180307182024.6deb0158@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <691857AD-53D5-4CBD-A09E-368D07ECFB94@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <20180308012919.50e048d5@ladybug> Hello George, On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 01:49:52 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > > The Subject: should be a short descriptive statement about the > > message. The body should be able to stand on its own. In this way > > there is nothing lost if or when the subject is changed or the thread > > drifts. > > Is that not the case? Or is there anything unclear in the question that > I have to ask in a different way? Or are you explaining in general? > > > This is an simple basic rule of email, mailing lists, and Usenet. The > > discusion belongs completely in the body. > > I am sure Paul knows much better than me how these things work. > FWIW: This is the first time I am using a mailing list. Never touched > Usenet. Mike did summarize very well the very few common rules in mailing lists (1), without mentioning the whole netiquette (2) or local rules (like avoid big attachments, don't post twice the same question, avoid political or off-topic subjects): don't communicate using the subject only (it's just a short version of the whole question asked in body - the discussion resides in the body), don't top-post, use prefixed quotation (see the > chars above), trim long stuff, don't steal topics by asking your own question into a thread that has nothing to do with it (post a new email instead of replying to an existing one, in that case), generally don't change subject when replying, be polite, watch your tone, etc. There are also norms and standardization efforts about email and other communications ways (some RFC's you can consult online (3)) but they are quite technical. In addition to that, since it's very hard to guess one's tone and intentions by reading him/her (unless you know him/her well), the use of smileys can save us flame wars, sometimes. The notion of trolling and flooding also matters. All that usually helps in mailing list where individualities, cultures and personal characters try to communicate. But, if you're new to mailing lists, (and nobody here can presume about your use to email software) nobody should invoke common sense since it's all about (a very little bit of common sense but a lot of) education and learning, so be forgiven and feel free to ask what are the rules in case of any doubt. Commonly, if you get to reply it's either because you did something wrong (nobody wants to reply because of that), nobody reads or nobody knows. (1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style (2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette (3) https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From removed-gdpr at example.com Thu Mar 8 02:11:56 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 03:11:56 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180308012919.50e048d5@ladybug> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180307132047.4cd53adc@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180307182024.6deb0158@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <691857AD-53D5-4CBD-A09E-368D07ECFB94@nycap.rr.com> <20180308012919.50e048d5@ladybug> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 01:29:19 +0100 wwp wrote: > ... Thanks for the added explanations. I think the initial question and the additional ones added to it do not conflict any of the things you explained. If you are criticizing anyone for changing the subject - well, it wasn't me who did that. :) I am taking a general note for not "pinging" for an answer. Still it is fair to note that this is due to incomplete documentation and lack of any response for 17 days. It is logical and natural that if there is no other info source providing the answer one needs to ask. From subscript at free.fr Thu Mar 8 07:16:24 2018 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 07:16:24 +0100 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180307132047.4cd53adc@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180307182024.6deb0158@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <691857AD-53D5-4CBD-A09E-368D07ECFB94@nycap.rr.com> <20180308012919.50e048d5@ladybug> Message-ID: <20180308071624.15d042af@ladybug> Hi George, On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 03:11:56 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 01:29:19 +0100 wwp wrote: > > > ... > > Thanks for the added explanations. I think the initial question and the > additional ones added to it do not conflict any of the things you > explained. If you are criticizing anyone for changing the subject - > well, it wasn't me who did that. :) My intention was to inform, not to criticize. :-) > I am taking a general note for not "pinging" for an answer. Still it is > fair to note that this is due to incomplete documentation and lack of > any response for 17 days. It is logical and natural that if there is no > other info source providing the answer one needs to ask. Agree on all that! Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From edodd55 at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 09:45:55 2018 From: edodd55 at gmail.com (Liz) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 19:45:55 +1100 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> Message-ID: <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 14:15:28 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > > Yes, but it's hard to follow. The conversation seems to jump from > > Subject: to body message without warning. > > What do you mean jump? Is it not clear from the mail archive thread? > Do I have to repeat anything? Please explain. I really need to get > this done right. I don't read the subject. I belong to many lists where the subject line is not changed when it should be. However, I read the text. So yes, people are reading this thread. Some like me may be tired of reading your questions. I learn by experimentation. I know each of us learns in a different way, but we do appreciate when someone tries to find a solution for themselves. Liz From edodd55 at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 09:49:48 2018 From: edodd55 at gmail.com (Liz) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 19:49:48 +1100 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 14:21:06 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > I hope they will do that. It is spammy to receive duplicate or > unneeded info for whatever purpose. > ____________________________________ There would be broad agreement here with that statement. Liz From removed-gdpr at example.com Thu Mar 8 11:49:41 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 12:49:41 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Some like me may be tired of reading your questions. I learn by > experimentation. Can you please share how you find through experimentation the undocumented purpose of each file, how it is used by the program and whether it is necessary to include it in backup? From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Thu Mar 8 13:22:42 2018 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 12:22:42 +0000 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 12:49:41 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > > Some like me may be tired of reading your questions. I learn by > > experimentation. > > Can you please share how you find through experimentation the > undocumented purpose of each file, how it is used by the program and > whether it is necessary to include it in backup? The simple answer is that the source code is there to be read but I realise that it takes time to learn how to do that and how to find the information you need. When it comes to backup, just backup all of .claws-mail, you can't go wrong that way. The extra space it takes is irrelevant in today's computers and you won't be risking anything. Claws is a work in progress, there are always bugs and things that aren't clear. I've been using Claws and its antecedents for well over a decade and I don't know it all, but I have stuck with Claws because there are no better alternatives. Constructive criticism and questions are fine, demanding answers is not. -- Brian Morrison From removed-gdpr at example.com Thu Mar 8 14:07:32 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:07:32 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: > The simple answer is that the source code is there to be read but I > realise that it takes time to learn how to do that and how to find the > information you need. I am glad you realize that because that would rather be an escape from answering :) > When it comes to backup, just backup all of .claws-mail, you can't go > wrong that way. The extra space it takes is irrelevant in today's > computers and you won't be risking anything. Claws is a work in > progress, there are always bugs and things that aren't clear. It is not just a question of space but rather of order and information collision. For example I notice the following structure exists: ~/.claws-mail/RSSyl/...//1 ~/.claws-mail/RSSyl/...//2 ... ~/.claws-mail/RSSyl/...//N The messages seems to always be 1-N. When I delete (inside CM) certain RSS messages which I have read and then refresh the feed - new messages may arrive. So consider a scenario like this: 1. Your refresh an RSS feed 2. For simplicity lets suppose 3 messages arrive only (1, 2, 3) 3. You backup everything 4. On the next day your read messages 1, 2, 3 and delete them 5. Refresh RSS feed 6. This time new 5 messages arrive (1, 2, ... 5) 7. Something happens and you have to restore from backup 8. During the restore messages 1, 2, 3 get overridden with older files The question is: how will CM handle such logical/sequence conflict? Obviously it is even more complicated with a non-sequential mix. Another example: ~/.claws-mail/tmp/claws-crashed contains only a string "foo". There are also other tmp files in the same directory. There are also other files which look as temp data but it is not clear how CM uses them. Also as mentioned in an earlier message CM seems not to clean up file structure for deleted IMAP folders. So considering all that: Why would anyone want to back up unnecessary or volatile data which can only create conflict upon restore? That contradicts the very essence of having a backup. As you see - the answer is not as simple as "backup everything". After all one of the reasons for which one chooses to use a powerful mail client as CM is to have communication organized and handled better, not merely piled up and randomly colliding with itself. So I still think it is relevant to have more detailed clarifications re. the file organization. > Constructive criticism and questions are fine, demanding answers is > not. A demand for clarity should not be automatically condemned as a caprice. It may be an actual and reasonable necessity, just like I explained. In software projects documentation is often improved due to such demands. So it should not be easily refuted or marked as anti-netiquette. The questions are quite valid and on topic. From jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org Thu Mar 8 15:00:54 2018 From: jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org (Jeremy Nicoll) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2018 14:00:54 +0000 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <1520517654.3156689.1296054568.14B73B9F@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Thu, 8 Mar 2018, at 13:07, Removed GDPR wrote: > It is not just a question of space but rather of order and information > collision. For example I notice the following structure exists: > > ~/.claws-mail/RSSyl/...//1 > ~/.claws-mail/RSSyl/...//2 > ... > ~/.claws-mail/RSSyl/...//N > > The messages seems to always be 1-N. When I delete (inside CM) certain > RSS messages which I have read and then refresh the feed - new messages > may arrive. So consider a scenario like this: > > 1. Your refresh an RSS feed > 2. For simplicity lets suppose 3 messages arrive only (1, 2, 3) > 3. You backup everything > 4. On the next day your read messages 1, 2, 3 and delete them > 5. Refresh RSS feed > 6. This time new 5 messages arrive (1, 2, ... 5) > 7. Something happens and you have to restore from backup > 8. During the restore messages 1, 2, 3 get overridden with older files > > The question is: how will CM handle such logical/sequence conflict? There's no conflict. If you replace (by doing a restore) one complete set of Claws files by another complete set, you will have restored Claws to the state it was in when that backup was originally made. What you must not do is pick and choose which files within a backup you restore. It must be the whole lot. (That's not Claws-specific. Many applications' backups require the whole set of logically consistent files to be backed-up or restored in one complete set.) -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Thu Mar 8 17:02:15 2018 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 16:02:15 +0000 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:07:32 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > > The simple answer is that the source code is there to be read but I > > realise that it takes time to learn how to do that and how to find > > the information you need. > > I am glad you realize that because that would rather be an escape from > answering :) Well you need to realise that nothing comes for nothing, if you want knowledge you need to invest time and effort. > > > When it comes to backup, just backup all of .claws-mail, you can't > > go wrong that way. The extra space it takes is irrelevant in today's > > computers and you won't be risking anything. Claws is a work in > > progress, there are always bugs and things that aren't clear. > > It is not just a question of space but rather of order and information > collision. For example I notice the following structure exists: > > ~/.claws-mail/RSSyl/...//1 > ~/.claws-mail/RSSyl/...//2 > ... > ~/.claws-mail/RSSyl/...//N > > The messages seems to always be 1-N. When I delete (inside CM) certain > RSS messages which I have read and then refresh the feed - new > messages may arrive. So consider a scenario like this: > > 1. Your refresh an RSS feed > 2. For simplicity lets suppose 3 messages arrive only (1, 2, 3) > 3. You backup everything > 4. On the next day your read messages 1, 2, 3 and delete them > 5. Refresh RSS feed > 6. This time new 5 messages arrive (1, 2, ... 5) > 7. Something happens and you have to restore from backup > 8. During the restore messages 1, 2, 3 get overridden with older files > > The question is: how will CM handle such logical/sequence conflict? It won't. Everything will be fucked up. You are asking for a database, Claws doesn't have one. RSS feeds are viewed as volatile and non-protected. > Obviously it is even more complicated with a non-sequential mix. > > Another example: > > ~/.claws-mail/tmp/claws-crashed > > contains only a string "foo". There are also other tmp files in the > same directory. There are also other files which look as temp data but > it is not clear how CM uses them. Also as mentioned in an earlier > message CM seems not to clean up file structure for deleted IMAP > folders. Temp folders are never intended to be permanent, if it says "temp" or "tmp" then ignore that folder. If you restore from a backup then do that in a new directory and sanitise it before you copy it over your real .claws-mail, always have copies of the current file tree in case you make a mistake. > > So considering all that: Why would anyone want to back up > unnecessary or volatile data which can only create conflict upon > restore? That contradicts the very essence of having a backup. > > As you see - the answer is not as simple as "backup everything". After > all one of the reasons for which one chooses to use a powerful mail > client as CM is to have communication organized and handled better, > not merely piled up and randomly colliding with itself. > > So I still think it is relevant to have more detailed clarifications > re. the file organization. Free Software is not expected to be perfect, when there is something wrong that bugs you then it is reasonable to expect you to fix it either by submitting code or by offering improved documentation. If it breaks, you get to keep all the pieces. > > > Constructive criticism and questions are fine, demanding answers is > > not. > > A demand for clarity should not be automatically condemned as a > caprice. It may be an actual and reasonable necessity, just like I > explained. In software projects documentation is often improved due > to such demands. So it should not be easily refuted or marked as > anti-netiquette. The questions are quite valid and on topic. I've tried to be helpful and have replied to you several times with assistance and suggestions. I don't have to, no one pays me to be here or read anything anyone writes. I don't want to be rude but as you can see some people have already been provoked into telling you you're being too demanding. I think you need to consider what you can reasonably expect, especially because you are clearly very demanding of your email experience and in terms of security and privacy. None of those things are easy or come for nothing. HTH -- Brian Morrison From codejodler at gmx.ch Thu Mar 8 17:32:09 2018 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 17:32:09 +0100 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20180308173209.54631e91@gandalf.lan3> As a sidenote (no need to follow-up): When writing to developers (like, mailing lists or bug reports or personal) i try to point out my problem and also tell how i expect it to work, instead (which always is part of a good bug report) and if i have that time, i try to find out how it could work 'internally' and what part might be difficult to implement. Sometimes this leads me to realize that i am very demanding (implying a large refactoring or redesign of the whole thing) and then i change the problem to some core element that could-be-achieved-rather-easily even if it does not fully solve my full needs. This often results in re-wording the subject to something more precise, too. It's a little precompiling of the problem, trying to see it from the developers point of view. (I admit that i still often suck with spontaneous tatter, for many human reasons, don't nail me down on that) From removed-gdpr at example.com Thu Mar 8 17:41:15 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 18:41:15 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <1520517654.3156689.1296054568.14B73B9F@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <1520517654.3156689.1296054568.14B73B9F@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: > What you must not do is pick and choose which files within a backup > you restore. It must be the whole lot. Yes, generally that is the way it should be done. However it is still not clear how this will work for IMAP messages for example. In particular: IMAP messages are also numbered files locally. I don't know how it is on the server (if they have other numbers etc). So if you delete IMAP message X locally which results in deleting it on the server and then you restore from backup in which that same message X is not deleted - will that re-upload the message to the server or what? The other examples which I mentioned still remain too. From finkandreas at web.de Thu Mar 8 17:49:08 2018 From: finkandreas at web.de (Andreas Fink) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 17:49:08 +0100 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <1520517654.3156689.1296054568.14B73B9F@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20180308174908.669340f3@web.de> On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 18:41:15 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > > What you must not do is pick and choose which files within a backup > > you restore. It must be the whole lot. > > Yes, generally that is the way it should be done. However it is still > not clear how this will work for IMAP messages for example. In > particular: IMAP messages are also numbered files locally. I don't > know how it is on the server (if they have other numbers etc). So if > you delete IMAP message X locally which results in deleting it on the > server and then you restore from backup in which that same message X > is not deleted - will that re-upload the message to the server or > what? > > The other examples which I mentioned still remain too. > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users How is your described scenario in any way different than logging into your mail account via web frontend, delete the mails there, and open afterwards claws-mail. Claws-mail would have in its cache the email from a previous run and realize that it is not there on the server anymore, so it should be deleted also locally. A full backup of the whole folder is the most consistent thing, that you can do, and expect it to behave in exactly the same way, as if you haven't opened claws-mail from the backup date until today. Cheers Andreas From removed-gdpr at example.com Thu Mar 8 17:50:17 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 18:50:17 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: > Well you need to realise that nothing comes for nothing, if you want > knowledge you need to invest time and effort. I already explained that I have read the man page as suggested. If you suggest that one should become an electronics engineer if the TV manual is incomplete that is hardly the best suggestion :) > It won't. Everything will be fucked up. You are asking for a database, > Claws doesn't have one. RSS feeds are viewed as volatile and > non-protected. Which contradicts the whole suggestion to backup everything. > Temp folders are never intended to be permanent, if it says "temp" or > "tmp" then ignore that folder. If you restore from a backup then do > that in a new directory and sanitise it before you copy it over your > real .claws-mail, always have copies of the current file tree in case > you make a mistake. Sure, this sanitizing is a common sense. But although file names can imply they cannot reveal the complete role of the file or its time span in the functionality of a program. Also as I mentioned there are leftovers which are not named "temp". > I've tried to be helpful and have replied to you several times with > assistance and suggestions... Thanks - for all the times. Unfortunately the question still remains and it seems that only a developer who knows the intricacies of the program can shed light on the subject. There is hardly any need to accuse the questioner for being too interested just because others also don't have the info he is asking for. Surely there are people who have it, so my question is to whoever this may apply. Peace. From removed-gdpr at example.com Thu Mar 8 18:01:35 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 19:01:35 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180308174908.669340f3@web.de> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <1520517654.3156689.1296054568.14B73B9F@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180308174908.669340f3@web.de> Message-ID: > Claws-mail would have in its cache the email from a previous run and > realize that it is not there on the server anymore, so it should be > deleted also locally. If it works this way - then that is fine. But it seems tagsdb keeps deleted stuff. Check bug 3982. From slitt at troubleshooters.com Thu Mar 8 18:37:11 2018 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 12:37:11 -0500 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20180308123711.0ad24489@mydesk.domain.cxm> On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 18:50:17 +0200, Removed GDPR wrote: > > Well you need to realise that nothing comes for nothing, if you want > > knowledge you need to invest time and effort. > > I already explained that I have read the man page as suggested. If you > suggest that one should become an electronics engineer if the TV > manual is incomplete that is hardly the best suggestion :) The best suggestion is to do what I just did: Filter all email from Removed GDPR to /dev/null. Life's too short to read 5 emails a day from a guy criticizing software given them for free, stridently asking for help, and then arguing with help suggestions instead of trying them. SteveT From myetto1 at nycap.rr.com Thu Mar 8 19:46:16 2018 From: myetto1 at nycap.rr.com (Michael A. Yetto) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 13:46:16 -0500 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20180308134616.2e241e78@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 18:50:17 +0200 Removed GDPR writes, and having writ moves on: >Unfortunately the question still remains and it seems that only a >developer who knows the intricacies of theprogram can shed light on >the subject. Offer to pay that developer's customary consulting fee and you might a more complete answer. A frequent reply to a storm of questions such as your is "Do your own homework." Fortunately, you have been treated much better than the privileged students who typically try this. Mike Yetto -- "I like to think that the moon is there even if I am not looking at it." - Albert Einstein -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From removed-gdpr at example.com Thu Mar 8 19:57:37 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 20:57:37 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180308123711.0ad24489@mydesk.domain.cxm> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308123711.0ad24489@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: > Life's too short to read 5 emails a day from a guy criticizing > software given them for free, stridently asking for help, and then > arguing with help suggestions instead of trying them. Actually if you really read those emails you would see that I am not the one who criticizes. From removed-gdpr at example.com Thu Mar 8 19:58:19 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 20:58:19 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180308134616.2e241e78@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308134616.2e241e78@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> Message-ID: > Offer to pay that developer's customary consulting fee and you might > a more complete answer. Fair enough. How much do I have to pay and to who in particular so that I know which files do (not) need backup? From de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 20:06:31 2018 From: de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com (de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 14:06:31 -0500 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <5aa189d8.0807c80a.6a7c2.5d52@mx.google.com> On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 18:50:17 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > >Thanks - for all the times. Unfortunately the question still remains >and it seems that only a developer who knows the intricacies of the >program can shed light on the subject. There is hardly any need to >accuse the questioner for being too interested just because others >also don't have the info he is asking for. Surely there are people >who have it, so my question is to whoever this may apply. Peace. > If you can not get the answers you are looking for which leaves you uncomfortable with what Claws provides, then it probably isn't for you. I hope you can find another free client that suits all your needs and a developer that is willing to be your personal consultant. I heard the Gmail web interface is peachy. Cheers! -- John From myetto1 at nycap.rr.com Thu Mar 8 20:13:39 2018 From: myetto1 at nycap.rr.com (Michael A. Yetto) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 14:13:39 -0500 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308134616.2e241e78@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> Message-ID: <20180308141339.7e628064@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 20:58:19 +0200 Removed GDPR writes, and having writ moves on: >> Offer to pay that developer's customary consulting fee and you might >> a more complete answer. > >Fair enough. How much do I have to pay and to who in particular so that >I know which files do (not) need backup? Publish an RFC. Mike Yetto -- "This quote only looks profound when it's in a script font over a sunset." - Randall Munroe (XKCD) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ticho at claws-mail.org Thu Mar 8 20:45:45 2018 From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 20:45:45 +0100 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <5aa189d8.0807c80a.6a7c2.5d52@mx.google.com> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <5aa189d8.0807c80a.6a7c2.5d52@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20180308204545.6b257211@penny> Ok, can we all please stop dogpiling on George now? Sure, he ruffled a few feathers with some aspects of how he communicates on this list (I too am grinding my teeth everytime he asks a question in subject and only says "Subject" in the message body :) ), but I believe he is in earnest and not acting with any malice. Plus, like any other new user with a fresh perspective, he often asks very pertinent (if sometimes uncomfortable, at least for the developers) questions, and notices bugs that developers or long-time users do not even notice, or take for granted. That alone is worth it, in my view. George, lot of the stuff you mention is something that could use some work, be it documentation that we know is often lacking, or incorrect behavior in the app itself. Claws Mail is a rather big program with lot of layers of code, both newer and older, and there are only a few active developers left, with very limited time, and big TODO lists each. By all means, keep asking questions, but be aware that sometimes the answers won't be exactly what you need or want. There are hidden bugs that need uncovering, but there are also features which have been the way they are for many years for a good reason. Anyway, I wrote a bit more than I initially set out to. Basically, we all discharged some of the tension, but let's dial it down now, please. :) Regards, -- Andrej -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dave at howorth.org.uk Thu Mar 8 22:43:16 2018 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 21:43:16 +0000 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308134616.2e241e78@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> Message-ID: <20180308214316.68246554@acer-suse.lan> On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 20:58:19 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > > Offer to pay that developer's customary consulting fee and you might > > a more complete answer. > > Fair enough. How much do I have to pay and to who in particular so > that I know which files do (not) need backup? Full marks to Andrej for his recent intervention, and I too have noticed that your questions are well-intentioned although your way of asking sometimes appears thoughtless. If we look at your question above,and with my perspective as a developer although NOT a Claws developer, I would suggest you first need to ask yourself some further questions and answer them. Firstly, is it a serious question? Secondly what level of accuracy and completeness would you want to pay for? And thirdly, what warranty would you expect? It seems quite likely to me that nobody has ever thought about the notion of an exact backup. It seems much more likely that developers' concerns have centred on things like not crashing if there is an inconsistency between the claws file collection and the various remote message stores for any reason at all, of which an inconsistent backup would be just one possible case. If they had thought about the notion, I'd have expected them to step forward by now, especially in response to your present question. So answering your question is going to involve somebody spelunking the code, trying to determine the result of various situations. And that won't be easy, given that the code (probably) wasn't written with that as an identified requirement. It will likely involve a lot of code reading and a bunch of experiments, such as making a whole load more tests for claws. And even after they've done that, they won't be sure they've caught all the possible cases, and they won't want to be committed forevermore to fixing and documenting whatever new use case you come up with. They certainly won't want to be liable for the possibility of any consequential damages. Set against that we notice that nobody, neither a developer nor any other user, has apparently ever had a problem by just taking a full backup and restoring from it. Sure they may have had some local breakage of some message stream or lost a few messages, but things like that can usually be recovered out of band - by going to a web archive, by asking senders to resend etc. So the community seems to have historically judged that there's little value in answering your question. So you'd be asking a developer to work on something essentially of use just to you, in preference to work that would benefit everybody. That's not an attractive proposition. Further, there's the risk of scope growth and ongoing support issues (depending on your answers to my supplementary questions). So anybody standing up to offer to answer your question is going to want to be well paid for their time on what's likely to prove a tedious and thankless task. Are you up for spending thousands of dollars to answer your question? An alternative possibility might actually be for you to answer the question yourself. If you were prepared to write tests and/or learn to read the code in order to answer your question, and then write it up for the documentation, I'm sure the developers would be more than happy to help you learn how to do it. It seems to me that you have the necessary attitude and abilities. It's not rocket science. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 8 23:18:28 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 22:18:28 +0000 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180308204545.6b257211@penny> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <5aa189d8.0807c80a.6a7c2.5d52@mx.google.com> <20180308204545.6b257211@penny> Message-ID: <20180308221828.0bfb7d39@kujata> On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 20:45:45 +0100 Andrej Kacian wrote: > By all means, keep asking questions, but ask them in the message body and not in the subject, yes? :) with regards Paul From removed-gdpr at example.com Thu Mar 8 23:55:24 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 00:55:24 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180308221828.0bfb7d39@kujata> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <5aa189d8.0807c80a.6a7c2.5d52@mx.google.com> <20180308204545.6b257211@penny> <20180308221828.0bfb7d39@kujata> Message-ID: Thank you guys. Surely I am not ready to spend thousands of dollars for anything like that. I don't feel it is an utterly complicated question and surely a developer who knows how the program works and how its files are organized should be able to answer instantly, without testing any complicated scenarios etc. E.g. what are the "cache" and "tmp" files/dirs used for, if they need to be backed up etc. I understand there is a concern about the way I ask questions: > but ask them in the message body and not in the subject, yes? :) Can you please explain what would be the proper form to ask this current question? I think the subject is the proper place to put the question shortly because it is the first thing which one sees and based on that one can decide whether to read the body or not. Then the body can contain details. In some cases I put in the body just "subject" to avoid repetition. It is more time efficient, wouldn't you agree? Or would you insist that I repeat the subject in the body too? From myetto1 at nycap.rr.com Fri Mar 9 02:44:49 2018 From: myetto1 at nycap.rr.com (Michael A. Yetto) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 20:44:49 -0500 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <5aa189d8.0807c80a.6a7c2.5d52@mx.google.com> <20180308204545.6b257211@penny> <20180308221828.0bfb7d39@kujata> Message-ID: <20180308204449.0ce70a32@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 00:55:24 +0200 Removed GDPR writes, and having writ moves on: >Thank you guys. Surely I am not ready to spend thousands of dollars for >anything like that. I don't feel it is an utterly complicated question >and surely a developer who knows how the program works and how its >files are organized should be able to answer instantly, without >testing any complicated scenarios etc. E.g. what are the "cache" and >"tmp" files/dirs used for, if they need to be backed up etc. > >I understand there is a concern about the way I ask questions: > >> but ask them in the message body and not in the subject, yes? :) > >Can you please explain what would be the proper form to ask this >current question? > >I think the subject is the proper place to put the question shortly >because it is the first thing which one sees and based on that one >can decide whether to read the body or not. Then the body can contain >details. In some cases I put in the body just "subject" to avoid >repetition. It is more time efficient, wouldn't you agree? Or would you >insist that I repeat the subject in the body too? The Subject: is just for an eye-catcher or headline if you prefer. The body of the message should be complete. That is, it should not depend on a changeable Subject:, it should have enough information to explain the problem without being to long to read, it should define what was expected of the program, and it should enumerate all that occurred instead. Any message that consists in its entirety of the word "Subject" is very likely to be ignored, possibly even by someone who is familiar with the problem and a solution. Mike Yetto -- "Human memory is a marvelous but fallacious instrument. The memories which lie within us are not carved in stone; not only do they tend to become erased as the years go by, but often they change, or even increase by incorporating extraneous features." - Primo Levi -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Investigating the first item may be quite informative. -- John From usenet at karmasailing.uk Fri Mar 9 08:32:48 2018 From: usenet at karmasailing.uk (Bob Williams) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 07:32:48 +0000 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <5aa189d8.0807c80a.6a7c2.5d52@mx.google.com> <20180308204545.6b257211@penny> <20180308221828.0bfb7d39@kujata> Message-ID: <20180309073248.05875669@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 00:55:24 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > I think the subject is the proper place to put the question shortly > because it is the first thing which one sees and based on that one > can decide whether to read the body or not. Then the body can contain > details. Correct > In some cases I put in the body just "subject" to avoid > repetition. It is more time efficient, wouldn't you agree? Or would > you insist that I repeat the subject in the body too? It may be more efficient for you, but not for your readers. Good luck Bob -- Bob Williams System: Linux 4.4.114-42-default Distro: openSUSE 42.3 (x86_64) Desktop: KDE Frameworks: 5.32.0, Qt: 5.6.2 and Plasma: 5.8.7 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From edodd55 at gmail.com Fri Mar 9 10:47:51 2018 From: edodd55 at gmail.com (Liz) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 20:47:51 +1100 Subject: [Users] Unwanted option on right click menu Message-ID: <20180309204751.3fc7ea73.edodd55@gmail.com> I've accidentally made an unwanted option on my right click menu for my mailbox folders. I had sticky keys on my trackball which led to this happening, but I'm not sure how it can be reversed. I have dismantled and cleaned the trackball so it won't be happening again. Claws Mail version 3.14.1 XFCE desktop on Debian buster/sid Attached screenshot shows the new option "XF86AudioRaiseVolume" which has been added to the "Mark all read" option line. Can someone advise me how I can remove this? Liz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: new_option.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 137640 bytes Desc: not available URL: From subscript at free.fr Fri Mar 9 11:01:57 2018 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 11:01:57 +0100 Subject: [Users] Unwanted option on right click menu In-Reply-To: <20180309204751.3fc7ea73.edodd55@gmail.com> References: <20180309204751.3fc7ea73.edodd55@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20180309110157.72909dc6@ladybug> Hello Liz, On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 20:47:51 +1100 Liz wrote: > I've accidentally made an unwanted option on my right click menu for my > mailbox folders. > I had sticky keys on my trackball which led to this happening, but I'm > not sure how it can be reversed. > I have dismantled and cleaned the trackball so it won't be happening > again. > > Claws Mail version 3.14.1 > XFCE desktop on Debian buster/sid > > Attached screenshot shows the new option "XF86AudioRaiseVolume" which > has been added to the "Mark all read" option line. > > Can someone advise me how I can remove this? Make this menu appear again. Now, use keyboard arrows to highlight the menu item "mark all read", press the Del key. Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From removed-gdpr at example.com Fri Mar 9 13:11:28 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 14:11:28 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180309073248.05875669@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <5aa189d8.0807c80a.6a7c2.5d52@mx.google.com> <20180308204545.6b257211@penny> <20180308221828.0bfb7d39@kujata> <20180309073248.05875669@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> Message-ID: > It may be more efficient for you, but not for your readers. Are you saying that people would rather prefer to read the same thing twice? To avoid any further confusion - can you please give an example how you would formulate the current question? Perhaps it would be good to have short guidelines about "How to post in mailing CM's lists" if the messages must be strictly structured up to a certain protocol. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 9 13:20:30 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 12:20:30 +0000 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <5aa189d8.0807c80a.6a7c2.5d52@mx.google.com> <20180308204545.6b257211@penny> <20180308221828.0bfb7d39@kujata> <20180309073248.05875669@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> Message-ID: <20180309122030.16819f18@kujata> On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 14:11:28 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > Are you saying that people would rather prefer to read the same > thing twice? To avoid any further confusion - can you please give > an example how you would formulate the current question? E.g. Subject: backing-up Body: Which files from ~/.claws-mail should be backed up? (+ thanks in advance, etc, etc) > Perhaps it would be good to have short guidelines about "How to > post in mailing CM's lists" if the messages must be strictly > structured up to a certain protocol. There's nothing particularly special about this list when compared to most lists out there. with regards Paul From removed-gdpr at example.com Fri Mar 9 13:27:14 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 14:27:14 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180309122030.16819f18@kujata> References: <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <5aa189d8.0807c80a.6a7c2.5d52@mx.google.com> <20180308204545.6b257211@penny> <20180308221828.0bfb7d39@kujata> <20180309073248.05875669@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180309122030.16819f18@kujata> Message-ID: > Subject: backing-up > Body: Which files from ~/.claws-mail should be backed up? (+ thanks > in advance, etc, etc) Thanks. > There's nothing particularly special about this list when compared to > most lists out there. In such case: Is there a particular establishment for lists as a whole? I have seen all kinds of craziness on mailing list archives. Sorry to ask so much about that but I don't want any other future outrage regarding my questions so I am trying to learn not to be a pain. Personally I communicate by email with all kinds of people and so far nobody has complained, on the contrary. Logically it makes one think that this (or any other) mailing lists may be special in a way. From subscript at free.fr Fri Mar 9 13:34:46 2018 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 13:34:46 +0100 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <5aa189d8.0807c80a.6a7c2.5d52@mx.google.com> <20180308204545.6b257211@penny> <20180308221828.0bfb7d39@kujata> <20180309073248.05875669@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> Message-ID: <20180309133446.3fa8fc3d@ladybug> Hello George, On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 14:11:28 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > > It may be more efficient for you, but not for your readers. > > Are you saying that people would rather prefer to read the same thing > twice? To avoid any further confusion - can you please give an example > how you would formulate the current question? > > Perhaps it would be good to have short guidelines about "How to post in > mailing CM's lists" if the messages must be strictly structured up to a > certain protocol. I started writing this email upper case, but remembered that this was not so important, no need to lose my temper. You've been posted netiquette and common rules in previous emails, I guess you didn't spend a minute reading all that nor trying to understand what everyone here is telling you about the subject. If you're too lazy to make the effort to put your question in the body and a summary of the request in subject, it's either that you don't want to follow common rules, or you want to do differently. Then do it, but you'll be ignored, if not banned. Starting from now, I will blacklist you locally, had enough of your dump crap, I'm losing my time reading or answering you. Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As Paul said there's nothing special on this list, but since it seems you like to read things you can start reading RFC-1855's § 3.0 titled “One-to-Many Communication (Mailing Lists, NetNews)”¹. Reading the rest of the document won't harm either. regards, ¹ https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc1855 -- Ricardo Mones ~ The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. Unknown -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: not available URL: From finkandreas at web.de Fri Mar 9 13:58:31 2018 From: finkandreas at web.de (Andreas Fink) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 13:58:31 +0100 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <1520517654.3156689.1296054568.14B73B9F@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180308174908.669340f3@web.de> Message-ID: <20180309135831.1f040cdf@web.de> On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 19:01:35 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > > Claws-mail would have in its cache the email from a previous run and > > realize that it is not there on the server anymore, so it should be > > deleted also locally. > > If it works this way - then that is fine. But it seems tagsdb keeps > deleted stuff. Check bug 3982. > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users And does the existence of these files/folders stop claws-mail from functioning, or is it just some garbage lying around on your harddisk, and claws-mail shows the correct things to you as user. I agree this is a bug and could be fixed, but it is unrelated to your issue of a backup. You want a safe way for backup, and I suggested to backup the whole folder, because this is the sanest thing you could do. Claws-mail is not the first program that would leave some cruft on the harddisk, and it is not the last to do so. As long as it doesn't choke on it, I guess it's acceptable to be fixed rather later than sooner ;) Cheers Andreas From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 9 13:21:26 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2018 12:21:26 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3984] New: Copy-paste in find/filter field works incorrectly Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3984 Bug ID: 3984 Summary: Copy-paste in find/filter field works incorrectly Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI/Message List Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com STR: 1. Open some folder 2. Choose to some way to filter/find messages, e.g. "From/To/Cc/Subject/Tag" 3. Type some text, e.g. ABC 4. Select the typed text 5. Ctrl+C to copy 6. Ctrl+V to paste EXPECTED: Ctrl+V should paste ABC ACTUAL: Ctrl+V pastes the text of the currently selected message body (which implies that Ctrl+C has copied actually that text and not what was selected in the typing field) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From christoph at miedermacher.de Fri Mar 9 16:08:39 2018 From: christoph at miedermacher.de (Christoph Stracke) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 16:08:39 +0100 Subject: [Users] "From"-field in an mail-answer doesn't match with the "To" in the replied mail Message-ID: <20180309160839.4f923d61@aeon.tonga.net> Dear Claws-Users, this is my first posting. I have subscribed to this list, because I have a problem, which is very similar to "Bug 2168": I have several email-addresses, which are forwarded into one "collecting-account". When I answer to a mail, Claws normally takes the address, to which the sender posted his mail, as my answer-address. So, the sender get's the answer from the address, which he wrote to. Mostly this is working fine. BUT: When the sender is a mailing-list or when I get an email from a list with hidden (BCC:) addresses, Claws does not take the right address for the answer, but instead the address of the "collecting-account". When I look at the header, Claws takes the "Delivered-To"-address to send the answer, but instead it should take the "Envelope-To"-address. Is it possible for me to change this behaviour, or is it a bug? Thanks in advance … :-) Christoph -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP URL: From myetto1 at nycap.rr.com Fri Mar 9 18:34:04 2018 From: myetto1 at nycap.rr.com (Michael A. Yetto) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 12:34:04 -0500 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <5aa189d8.0807c80a.6a7c2.5d52@mx.google.com> <20180308204545.6b257211@penny> <20180308221828.0bfb7d39@kujata> <20180309073248.05875669@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> Message-ID: <20180309123404.6d43af0f@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 14:11:28 +0200 Removed GDPR writes, and having writ moves on: >Are you saying that people would rather prefer to read the same thing >twice? To avoid any further confusion - can you please give an example >how you would formulate the current question? This has been around for a while and pertains to mailing lists as well as Usenet or any othe help forum. Now you know. Mike "and knowing is half the battle" Yetto -- "Boy, the idea of chaos is a scary proposition to some people. It is a scary proposition. 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What happens here is that the main window gets the keypress first, and the /Edit/Copy menu item gets executed, while the GtkEntry in quicksearch box never even receives this keypress event. This has been sort-of handled for certain keypresses, in a rather messy way (the main_window_accel_activate() and quicksearch_pass_key()) functions. Attached patch changes it to be cleaner - if quicksearch has focus, main window's accelerators are ignored, and instead the signal gets propagated (well, re-emitted) directly to the quicksearch GtkEntry. Although the behavior seems to be correct with this patch, and there seem to be no side effects, I would still prefer if other people would test it, because this solution seems too easy to be complete. :) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From colin at colino.net Fri Mar 9 20:33:57 2018 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 20:33:57 +0100 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <1520517654.3156689.1296054568.14B73B9F@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20180309203357.33c1c59b@mike> On 08 March 2018 at 18h41, Removed GDPR wrote: Hi, > So if you delete IMAP message X locally which results in deleting it > on the server Deleting an IMAP message locally deletes it on the server first, then the local copy. If you just rm the local copy, the mail will still be on the server and will get re-cached to disk should you open it. With a new number. -- Colin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From edodd55 at gmail.com Sat Mar 10 04:34:52 2018 From: edodd55 at gmail.com (Liz) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 14:34:52 +1100 Subject: [Users] Unwanted option on right click menu In-Reply-To: <20180309110157.72909dc6@ladybug> References: <20180309204751.3fc7ea73.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309110157.72909dc6@ladybug> Message-ID: <20180310143438.391b0ddd.edodd55@gmail.com> On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 11:01:57 +0100 wwp wrote: > Make this menu appear again. Now, use keyboard arrows to highlight the > menu item "mark all read", press the Del key. thankyou, 100% success From removed-gdpr at example.com Sat Mar 10 18:35:28 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 19:35:28 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180309124852.ojjbeewyuos7atsa@busgosu> References: <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180308170215.00000a0f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <5aa189d8.0807c80a.6a7c2.5d52@mx.google.com> <20180308204545.6b257211@penny> <20180308221828.0bfb7d39@kujata> <20180309073248.05875669@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180309124852.ojjbeewyuos7atsa@busgosu> Message-ID: Thanks Ricardo. I have read all the info right after these links were previously shared. Although that RFC is not a strict standard I apologize once again if any of my posts were not shaped properly or sounded too demanding. It was never my intention to offend anyone. -- George From removed-gdpr at example.com Sat Mar 10 18:35:37 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 19:35:37 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180309135831.1f040cdf@web.de> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <1520517654.3156689.1296054568.14B73B9F@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180308174908.669340f3@web.de> <20180309135831.1f040cdf@web.de> Message-ID: You are right Andreas and I have already filed a bug report about it as you may have noticed. -- George From removed-gdpr at example.com Sat Mar 10 18:35:48 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 19:35:48 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180309203357.33c1c59b@mike> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <1520517654.3156689.1296054568.14B73B9F@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180309203357.33c1c59b@mike> Message-ID: Thanks Colin. Yes, I think understand the process of deletion. My confusion is/was rather about what happens if a message deleted on the server gets restored from backup locally, i.e if it will be re-uploaded to the server thus creating a duplicate (one copy in inbox/folder and another in Trash). Similarly it is not completely clear if restoring from backup a local cache file would prevent the proper synchronization. That depends on the program logic. For example the following logic would prevent the sync (pseudo code): if (local_cache_file_exists) { // Do not sync } else { // Fetch new items // Update tags for existing items // ... } -- George From ticho at claws-mail.org Sat Mar 10 19:57:17 2018 From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 19:57:17 +0100 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <1520517654.3156689.1296054568.14B73B9F@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180309203357.33c1c59b@mike> Message-ID: <20180310195717.4d9110b7@penny> On Sat, 10 Mar 2018 19:35:48 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > Yes, I think understand the process of deletion. My > confusion is/was rather about what happens if a message deleted on the > server gets restored from backup locally, i.e if it will be re-uploaded > to the server thus creating a duplicate (one copy in inbox/folder and > another in Trash). No, this will not happen. The local copy is only used as a ephemeral "mirror" of the message with the same ID on server, for purposes of displaying the message. If there is no message with that ID on server, Claws Mail will not even try to access the local copy. > Similarly it is not completely clear if restoring from backup a local > cache file would prevent the proper synchronization. That depends on > the program logic. For example the following logic would prevent the > sync (pseudo code): > > if (local_cache_file_exists) { > // Do not sync > } else { > // Fetch new items > // Update tags for existing items > // ... > } In some cases, this can cause issues. That is what "Discard folder cache" button in folder properties dialog is there for - it will delete everything cached locally for that particular folder. Regards, -- Andrej From removed-gdpr at example.com Sat Mar 10 20:50:09 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 21:50:09 +0200 Subject: [Users] See the 'FILES' section of `man claws-mail` for brief descriptions of the files. In-Reply-To: <20180310195717.4d9110b7@penny> References: <20180218091955.38dd4334@kujata> <20180307120301.558e0713@blackbox.karmasailing.uk> <20180308194555.237dea45.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180308132242.00001cf5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <1520517654.3156689.1296054568.14B73B9F@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180309203357.33c1c59b@mike> <20180310195717.4d9110b7@penny> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Mar 2018 19:57:17 +0100 Andrej Kacian wrote: > In some cases, this can cause issues. That is what "Discard folder > cache" button in folder properties dialog is there for - it will > delete everything cached locally for that particular folder. Thanks for explaining Andrej. Can you also recommend a workaround for cleaning up of ~/.claws-mail/tagsdb/#imap// until bug 3982 is fixed? -- George From shai at platonix.com Sun Mar 11 00:11:56 2018 From: shai at platonix.com (Shai Berger) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 01:11:56 +0200 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> Message-ID: <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 20:35:57 +0100 Colin Leroy wrote: > On 08 March 2018 at 19h49, Liz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I hope they will do that. It is spammy to receive duplicate or > > > unneeded info for whatever purpose. > > > ____________________________________ > > > > There would be broad agreement here with that statement. > > Would there? I think the last time the subject was brought there, most > people were OK with that. > As a person who's happy to see all the bug reports in my mail, I think it makes better sense to separate these from the users' list. Probably best would be an RSS feed (some ticketing systems, e.g. Trac, have this feature), but a separate mailing-list for bug reports (like the one which already exists for commits) would work just fine and would probably not be hard to set up. My 2 cents, Shai. From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 11 01:01:57 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 02:01:57 +0200 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> Message-ID: openSUSE's community system is very well organized. They use vBulletin for discussions which sends notifications only for the thread which one subscribes to. There is also NNTP for those who want to receive all updates for all forum threads. And their bugzilla sends you notifications only if you are in the CC list of the particular bug. And they use SSL for these systems. IMO it should be the job of the machines to filter data and deliver securely to us only what we have requested, not the other way around. -- George From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Mar 11 11:38:07 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:38:07 +0000 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> Message-ID: <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 02:01:57 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > openSUSE's community system is very well organized. They use > vBulletin for discussions which sends notifications only for the > thread which one subscribes to. There is also NNTP for those who > want to receive all updates for all forum threads. And their > bugzilla sends you notifications only if you are in the CC list of > the particular bug. And they use SSL for these systems. You are not comparing like for like. A distro with thousands of packages, and no users will be interested in them all, with an email list for one programme which you only subscribe to if you are interested in it specifically. > IMO it should be the job of the machines to filter data and deliver > securely to us only what we have requested, not the other way > around. That's what is happening here. You subscribed to this list and this list, besides user queries and release announcements, also gets mail from the claws-mail bugzilla. If you don't want to see the bug items then filter them. with regards Paul From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Mar 11 11:49:32 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:49:32 +0000 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> Message-ID: <20180311104932.18bf2c68@kujata> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 01:11:56 +0200 Shai Berger wrote: > As a person who's happy to see all the bug reports in my mail, I > think it makes better sense to separate these from the users' list. > Probably best would be an RSS feed (some ticketing systems, e.g. > Trac, have this feature), but a separate mailing-list for bug > reports (like the one which already exists for commits) would work > just fine and would probably not be hard to set up. That's all very well but the reason we decided to have the bugzilla items sent to this list is to try to engage with users, (those who don't have a bugzilla account), who could verify patches attached to bug items, add further information, and other things that I can't think of right now. IMO, there would be little point in creating a mailing list just for bug reports. I would guess that it would get few subscribers and generally be a waste of time. with regards Paul From linux at slavino.sk Sun Mar 11 12:17:09 2018 From: linux at slavino.sk (Slavko) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 12:17:09 +0100 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <20180311104932.18bf2c68@kujata> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311104932.18bf2c68@kujata> Message-ID: <20180311121709.69a61f99@bonifac.skk> Ahoj, Dňa Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:49:32 +0000 Paul napísal: > That's all very well but the reason we decided to have the bugzilla > items sent to this list is to try to engage with users, (those who > don't have a bugzilla account), who could verify patches attached to > bug items, add further information, and other things that I can't > think of right now. > > IMO, there would be little point in creating a mailing list just for > bug reports. I would guess that it would get few subscribers and > generally be a waste of time. I consider as good to leave people to decide, if they are interested in bugreports or not (by deleting them on client side) as i am. But IMO, for new CM users (especially those not familiar with customizing SW behavior) can be a bit tricky to set the right filtering rule for bugreports from ML - i remember how i bother with this some years ago. Then it will be great if this filtering rule can be somewhere documented, that those can simple Copy&Paste it ;-) Of course, i can share my filtering rule, but i am not sure if it is universal, it simple works for me... regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here I receive my own bug reports and updates for them through the: 1. bugzilla system 2. user mailing list I need neither of those and as far as I understand the only control I have is to unsubscribe entirely from one or the other (or both). So it is pretty much an all or nothing approach without option for fine grained control on what one receives. > If you don't want to see the bug items then filter them. While that may be possible as a final brute-force measure, it contradicts RFC 1855 which was recommended in another thread, in particular: the principle of sending just the necessary info and not exposing the receiver to a scenario in which he needs to pay with his time and bandwidth struggling to get only the info he needs. -- George From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Mar 11 12:40:04 2018 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 12:40:04 +0100 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <20180311121709.69a61f99@bonifac.skk> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311104932.18bf2c68@kujata> <20180311121709.69a61f99@bonifac.skk> Message-ID: <20180311124004.71051dc8@utnubu> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 12:17:09 +0100, Slavko wrote: >Then it will be great if this filtering rule can be somewhere >documented, that those can simple Copy&Paste it ;-) Here here Slavko! +1 From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Mar 11 12:43:29 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 11:43:29 +0000 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <20180311124004.71051dc8@utnubu> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311104932.18bf2c68@kujata> <20180311121709.69a61f99@bonifac.skk> <20180311124004.71051dc8@utnubu> Message-ID: <20180311114329.23da9183@kujata> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 12:40:04 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Here here Slavko! > > +1 Here is the wiki: http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Main_Page The rest is up to you. with regards Paul From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Mar 11 12:46:55 2018 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 12:46:55 +0100 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> Message-ID: <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 13:31:35 +0200, Removed GDPR wrote: >which he needs to pay with his time and bandwidth That's a littel bit melodramatically ;). From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 11 12:51:21 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 13:51:21 +0200 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 12:46:55 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > That's a littel bit melodramatically ;). Re. bandwidth (nowadays) - yes. But regarding time - no. In any case, arguing further won't make it more efficient ;) -- George From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Mar 11 12:53:09 2018 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 12:53:09 +0100 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <20180311114329.23da9183@kujata> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311104932.18bf2c68@kujata> <20180311121709.69a61f99@bonifac.skk> <20180311124004.71051dc8@utnubu> <20180311114329.23da9183@kujata> Message-ID: <20180311125309.2efd65a3@utnubu> On Sun, 2018-03-11 at 11:43 +0000, Paul wrote: > On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 12:40:04 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > Here here Slavko! > > > > +1 > > Here is the wiki: http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Main_Page > The rest is up to you. It's neither an issue for Slavko, nor for me. The link to the main page doesn't help a novice ;). Consider to get off your high horse ;). From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Mar 11 13:01:05 2018 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 13:01:05 +0100 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> Message-ID: <20180311130105.425b9b99@utnubu> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 13:51:21 +0200, Removed GDPR wrote: >On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 12:46:55 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> That's a littel bit melodramatically ;). > >Re. bandwidth (nowadays) - yes. But regarding time - no. Bandwith correlates with time, you reply doesn't make sense :D. From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 11 13:05:54 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 14:05:54 +0200 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <20180311130105.425b9b99@utnubu> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> <20180311130105.425b9b99@utnubu> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 13:01:05 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Bandwith correlates with time, you reply doesn't make sense :D. It makes sense if you consider the time spent in browsing through unsolicited messages (or even the time spent in creating sophisticated filtering). So time is not only the time for downloading. In that sense - my time is more important than that of the machine :) -- George From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 11 13:06:23 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 14:06:23 +0200 Subject: [Users] Searching the mailing list archive Message-ID: I would like to avoid asking questions which may have been answered in the past. So I have been looking to find some documentation/guide on how to search the users mailing list archive but couldn't find anything. How do you do that? From dave at howorth.org.uk Sun Mar 11 13:21:07 2018 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 12:21:07 +0000 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <20180311125309.2efd65a3@utnubu> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311104932.18bf2c68@kujata> <20180311121709.69a61f99@bonifac.skk> <20180311124004.71051dc8@utnubu> <20180311114329.23da9183@kujata> <20180311125309.2efd65a3@utnubu> Message-ID: <20180311122107.4bc3df87@acer-suse.lan> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 12:53:09 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2018-03-11 at 11:43 +0000, Paul wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 12:40:04 +0100 > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > Here here Slavko! > > > > > > +1 > > > > Here is the wiki: http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Main_Page > > The rest is up to you. > > It's neither an issue for Slavko, nor for me. The link to the main > page doesn't help a novice ;). Consider to get off your high horse ;). Paul isn't on his high horse. You and Slavko, after some provocation by George, are rabbiting on about the filters and documentation. Paul is simply pointing out where you interested people can create the documentation you feel is desirable. You can help your postulated novice. Preferably without bothering the rest of us. :) From jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org Sun Mar 11 14:17:20 2018 From: jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org (Jeremy Nicoll) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 13:17:20 +0000 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> <20180311130105.425b9b99@utnubu> Message-ID: <1520774240.603733.1299017080.7DE83A75@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018, at 12:05, Removed GDPR wrote: > On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 13:01:05 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > Bandwith correlates with time, you reply doesn't make sense :D. > > It makes sense if you consider the time spent in browsing through > unsolicited messages (or even the time spent in creating sophisticated > filtering). So time is not only the time for downloading. In that > sense - my time is more important than that of the machine :) Somehow I doubt you value your time as highly as you claim, for you are happy to waste it going on and on about this issue. You can separate the Bug emails with a filter that looks for "[Bug " in the Subject. Tht's harly a "sophisticted filter", and even if it were... you need to learn how to use CM to get the best out of it. A quick look inside one of these emails suggests that filtering on the X-Bugzilla-Who: removed-gdpr at example.com line will allow you to delete those that are copies of things you entered on Bugzilla. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. From myetto1 at nycap.rr.com Sun Mar 11 16:48:26 2018 From: myetto1 at nycap.rr.com (Michael A. Yetto) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 11:48:26 -0400 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> <20180311130105.425b9b99@utnubu> Message-ID: <20180311114716.0fb3ef3b@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 14:05:54 +0200 Removed GDPR writes, and having writ moves on: >On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 13:01:05 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> Bandwith correlates with time, you reply doesn't make sense :D. > >It makes sense if you consider the time spent in browsing through >unsolicited messages (or even the time spent in creating sophisticated >filtering). So time is not only the time for downloading. In that >sense - my time is more important than that of the machine :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Based on how much kvetching you do, I find that hard to believe. Mike Yetto -- "Science is the poetry of the Universe, a way to understand its beauty, power, and subtlety." - Phil Plait -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Mar 11 17:21:21 2018 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 17:21:21 +0100 Subject: [Users] Searching the mailing list archive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180311172121.7898fd39@utnubu> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 14:06:23 +0200, Removed GDPR wrote: >I would like to avoid asking questions which may have been answered in >the past. So I have been looking to find some documentation/guide on >how to search the users mailing list archive but couldn't find >anything. How do you do that? I use https://www.google.de/ to search mailing list archives. I've got concerns regarding Google, but actually it does the job. You could try another search engine. From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 11 19:46:04 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:46:04 +0200 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <1520774240.603733.1299017080.7DE83A75@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> <20180311130105.425b9b99@utnubu> <1520774240.603733.1299017080.7DE83A75@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 13:17:20 +0000 Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > Somehow I doubt you value your time as highly as you claim, > for you are happy to waste it going on and on about this issue. I didn't raise this question because I am happy with it. > You can separate the Bug emails with a filter that looks for > "[Bug " in the Subject. [...] Sure but that would work only when checking email through CM. When I check it on my phone it won't. In that sense it is sophisticated - only an advanced MUA like CM can do this. -- George From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 11 19:46:26 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:46:26 +0200 Subject: [Users] Searching the mailing list archive In-Reply-To: <20180311172121.7898fd39@utnubu> References: <20180311172121.7898fd39@utnubu> Message-ID: I already tried that but unfortunately external search engines don't index everything and don't show all the info (especially recent one). -- George From myetto1 at nycap.rr.com Sun Mar 11 20:02:23 2018 From: myetto1 at nycap.rr.com (Michael A. Yetto) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 15:02:23 -0400 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> <20180311130105.425b9b99@utnubu> <1520774240.603733.1299017080.7DE83A75@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20180311150223.69016598@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:46:04 +0200 Removed GDPR writes, and having writ moves on: >Sure but that would work only when checking email through CM. When I >check it on my phone it won't. In that sense it is sophisticated - only >an advanced MUA like CM can do this. This mailing lists is for questions or news involving Claws-Mail. It is not for supplying solutions to every request/problem involving any device that uses any MUA and might be used by someone that also uses Claw-Mail mail. Send all of you mail to a Dovecot account and connect to that with all of your various methods. Mike Yetto -- "How can I achieve everything all the time, with little or no effort on my part? Please limit responses to 2 or 3 words because reading makes me tired." - dfrench in comp.unix.shell -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Mar 11 20:11:12 2018 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:11:12 +0100 Subject: [Users] Searching the mailing list archive In-Reply-To: References: <20180311172121.7898fd39@utnubu> Message-ID: <20180311201112.62112bef@utnubu> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:46:26 +0200, Removed GDPR wrote: >I already tried that but unfortunately external search engines don't >index everything and don't show all the info (especially recent one). While I dislike Google a lot, there is a reason for mentioning Google ;), you could do very fast and detailed searches using advanced semantics and while your privacy is touched, you fortunately get hints while typing. Even if the Claws mailing list archive should be copied by one of the known copies of mailing list archives, that provide their own search engine, in my experiences Google still does a better job. From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Mar 11 20:12:38 2018 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:12:38 +0100 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> <20180311130105.425b9b99@utnubu> <1520774240.603733.1299017080.7DE83A75@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20180311201238.24c6be5f@utnubu> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:46:04 +0200, Removed GDPR wrote: >> You can separate the Bug emails with a filter that looks for >> "[Bug " in the Subject. [...] > >Sure but that would work only when checking email through CM. When I >check it on my phone it won't. In that sense it is sophisticated - only >an advanced MUA like CM can do this. Use the filters provided by your ISP ;). From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 11 21:00:25 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 22:00:25 +0200 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <20180311150223.69016598@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> <20180311130105.425b9b99@utnubu> <1520774240.603733.1299017080.7DE83A75@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180311150223.69016598@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 15:02:23 -0400 Michael A. Yetto wrote: > This mailing lists is for questions or news involving Claws-Mail. My question is about the list itself. I hope that is on-topic. > Send all of you mail to a Dovecot account and connect to that with > all of your various methods. I have zero knowledge about that. I will look into it. Thanks for the suggestion. -- George From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 11 21:00:35 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 22:00:35 +0200 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <20180311201238.24c6be5f@utnubu> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> <20180311130105.425b9b99@utnubu> <1520774240.603733.1299017080.7DE83A75@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180311201238.24c6be5f@utnubu> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:12:38 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Use the filters provided by your ISP ;). I have tried that before asking here, similar to the way Jeremy suggested. My current mail service provider is Gmail (and researching for alternatives). Unfortunately it seems Gmail's filters won't distinguish "[Bug ]" and "bug" in subject and know nothing about "X-Bugzilla-Who". -- George From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 11 21:00:52 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 22:00:52 +0200 Subject: [Users] Searching the mailing list archive In-Reply-To: <20180311201112.62112bef@utnubu> References: <20180311172121.7898fd39@utnubu> <20180311201112.62112bef@utnubu> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:11:12 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > While I dislike Google a lot, there is a reason for mentioning > Google ;), you could do very fast and detailed searches using advanced > semantics and while your privacy is touched, you fortunately get hints > while typing. I use DDG and browse the web with JS disabled. But regardless of that what I said previously is a fact - search engines can't show everything. -- George From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Mar 11 21:19:25 2018 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 21:19:25 +0100 Subject: [Users] Searching the mailing list archive In-Reply-To: References: <20180311172121.7898fd39@utnubu> <20180311201112.62112bef@utnubu> Message-ID: <20180311211925.252cacd8@utnubu> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 22:00:52 +0200, Removed GDPR wrote: >On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:11:12 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> While I dislike Google a lot, there is a reason for mentioning >> Google ;), you could do very fast and detailed searches using >> advanced semantics and while your privacy is touched, you >> fortunately get hints while typing. > >I use DDG and browse the web with JS disabled. But regardless of that >what I said previously is a fact - search engines can't show >everything. Well, I can't balme you for beeing in favour of DuckDuckGo and/or disabling JavaScript, since one of the browsers I'm using is Icecat and as for the happy medium, I tend to make https://www.startpage.com/ my default search engine. However, if you don't care regarding privacy and security and you should use plain Google, you would be surprised how good the hits are. One cannot have everything ;). From jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org Sun Mar 11 21:33:43 2018 From: jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org (Jeremy Nicoll) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:33:43 +0000 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> <20180311130105.425b9b99@utnubu> <1520774240.603733.1299017080.7DE83A75@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180311201238.24c6be5f@utnubu> Message-ID: <1520800423.782952.1299272752.462E516D@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018, at 20:00, Removed GDPR wrote: > On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:12:38 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > Use the filters provided by your ISP ;). > > I have tried that before asking here, similar to the way Jeremy > suggested. My current mail service provider is Gmail (and researching > for alternatives). Unfortunately it seems Gmail's filters won't > distinguish "[Bug ]" and "bug" in subject and know nothing about > "X-Bugzilla-Who". I've never used Gmail but I get the impression that filtering there uses the same syntax as searching. I think (after reading several hints pages) that subject:"[Bug " addresses the first issue. I've not seen anything that supports search for arbitrary headers though. In your situation I think I'd change the email address I use on Bugzilla and have all the emails it sends sent somewhere else, or just not get any of them. I'd use the suggestion above to separate Bugzilla mails that everyone sees from other chat on this mail list (and use the list: search criterion too so that the filters only apply to this list's traffic). I don't really see why you'd object to seeing your own Bugzilla contributions in amongst other people's replies - it'd let you see the whole lot in context. I don't use any of the free email suppliers. Currently the suppliers I use offer reasonably versatile webmail systems. One is 'fastmail' - https://www.fastmail.com - who have their own webmail system and their own app for mobile use - I use the webmail system which really is very fast and versatile (though I'd prefer to use a client which is why I started to look at CM - crashes of CM's Windows client have kept me from pursuing that at the moment). The other supplier uses 'Roundcube' which I think many mail providers use. Both of those systems offer versatile filtering. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 11 21:49:10 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 22:49:10 +0200 Subject: [Users] Searching the mailing list archive In-Reply-To: <20180311211925.252cacd8@utnubu> References: <20180311172121.7898fd39@utnubu> <20180311201112.62112bef@utnubu> <20180311211925.252cacd8@utnubu> Message-ID: Thanks Ralf. I understand the only option is to use external search engines. -- George From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 11 22:14:57 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 23:14:57 +0200 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <1520800423.782952.1299272752.462E516D@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> <20180311130105.425b9b99@utnubu> <1520774240.603733.1299017080.7DE83A75@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180311201238.24c6be5f@utnubu> <1520800423.782952.1299272752.462E516D@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:33:43 +0000 Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > I've never used Gmail but I get the impression that filtering there > uses the same syntax as searching. I think (after reading several > hints pages) that > > subject:"[Bug " > > addresses the first issue. It doesn't because as I explained subject:"Bug" gives the exact same result, i.e. it catches even the current thread (which it would delete if one would relying on it). IOW that would catch everything that contains the word "bug" in subject disregarding the extra symbols in the "exact search" string. > I've not seen anything that supports search for arbitrary headers > though. There is some limited support only: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7190?hl=en > In your situation I think I'd change the email address I use on > Bugzilla and have all the emails it sends sent somewhere else, or > just not get any of them. [...] While that is possible the need for such gym only proves that the messaging system needs improvement. > I don't really see why you'd object to seeing your own Bugzilla > contributions in amongst other people's replies - it'd let you see > the whole lot in context. Because I know what I have already said in the bug report + I can always check it on the bugzilla itself. So there is no need to have that same info 2 more times (or even 1). I delete these email messages manually but I would prefer not to have to do it. But as far as I understand there are no plans to change anything on the sender's side. So if that is final perhaps there isn't anything more to say. Thanks everyone for your suggestions. -- George From jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org Sun Mar 11 22:28:28 2018 From: jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org (Jeremy Nicoll) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 21:28:28 +0000 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> <20180311130105.425b9b99@utnubu> <1520774240.603733.1299017080.7DE83A75@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180311201238.24c6be5f@utnubu> <1520800423.782952.1299272752.462E516D@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1520803708.806076.1299315280.75AD0626@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018, at 21:14, Removed GDPR wrote: > On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:33:43 +0000 Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > > > I've never used Gmail but I get the impression that filtering there > > uses the same syntax as searching. I think (after reading several > > hints pages) that > > > > subject:"[Bug " > > > > addresses the first issue. > > It doesn't because as I explained subject:"Bug" gives the exact same > result, i.e. it catches even the current thread (which it would delete > if one would relying on it). IOW that would catch everything that > contains the word "bug" in subject disregarding the extra symbols in > the "exact search" string. Ah, what you said earlier was ambiguous, in that it didn't make it clear that you'd used quotes in your search arguments. I read the quotes you had just as ordinary ones in your description of the problem. > > I've not seen anything that supports search for arbitrary headers > > though. > > There is some limited support only: > > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7190?hl=en There's no /arbitrary/ header search described there. It's one of the pages I read before I replied. > > In your situation I think I'd change the email address I use on > > Bugzilla and have all the emails it sends sent somewhere else, or > > just not get any of them. [...] > > While that is possible the need for such gym only proves that the > messaging system needs improvement. The important thing is that it's something you can do for yourself that goes some way to solve what only you seem to see as a problem. > > I don't really see why you'd object to seeing your own Bugzilla > > contributions in amongst other people's replies - it'd let you see > > the whole lot in context. > > Because I know what I have already said in the bug report + I can > always check it on the bugzilla itself. You may know... but I bet you find in a few years you can't remember the exact text of very bug report you've ever made. And, personally. I prefer to have my own copies of things that might not be available online when I later want to read them. > I delete these email messages > manually but I would prefer not to have to do it. If they can be deleted in CM with its filtering, is there really a problem? (Leaving aside seeing them on your phone.) -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Mar 11 22:44:00 2018 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 22:44:00 +0100 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <1520803708.806076.1299315280.75AD0626@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> <20180311130105.425b9b99@utnubu> <1520774240.603733.1299017080.7DE83A75@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180311201238.24c6be5f@utnubu> <1520800423.782952.1299272752.462E516D@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1520803708.806076.1299315280.75AD0626@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20180311224400.0eedcc09@utnubu> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 21:28:28 +0000, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: >You may know... but I bet you find in a few years you can't remember >the exact text of very bug report you've ever made. If you log in to your "good designed" bug tracker account, you simply could select one of all the reports you ever made. I'm aware that this is not provided by most bug trackers, unfortunately after a while they "forget" to list some of your still available bug reports, while Google still remembers ;). From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 11 22:50:17 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 23:50:17 +0200 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <1520803708.806076.1299315280.75AD0626@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> <20180311130105.425b9b99@utnubu> <1520774240.603733.1299017080.7DE83A75@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180311201238.24c6be5f@utnubu> <1520800423.782952.1299272752.462E516D@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1520803708.806076.1299315280.75AD0626@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 21:28:28 +0000 Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > You may know... but I bet you find in a few years you can't remember > the exact text of very bug report you've ever made. I wouldn't even try to :) > If they can be deleted in CM with its filtering, is there really a > problem? (Leaving aside seeing them on your phone.) Yes because the problem is the lack of control over sending. Filtering the received messages is just a workaround, it does not remove the problem. -- George From pf at pfortin.com Mon Mar 12 05:15:40 2018 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 00:15:40 -0400 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <20180311124004.71051dc8@utnubu> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311104932.18bf2c68@kujata> <20180311121709.69a61f99@bonifac.skk> <20180311124004.71051dc8@utnubu> Message-ID: <20180312001540.5df3850d@pfortin.com> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 12:40:04 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 12:17:09 +0100, Slavko wrote: >>Then it will be great if this filtering rule can be somewhere >>documented, that those can simple Copy&Paste it ;-) > >Here here Slavko! > >+1 If it'll help quiet this list; here are the rules I've been using for years... (attached) What they do... (the colors are what I prefer; change as desired) Using folder structure: #mh/Mailbox/claws-mail #mh/Mailbox/claws-mail/Bugs #mh/Mailbox/claws-mail/Commits Self: this rule appears early in matherrc; colors any messages I sent and received blue (makes my postings easy to spot within threads) The following rules are in order, and are even named to allow sorting. Claws Bug Alert: [replace XXXXXXXXXXXXXX with your email address) Colors bug info directed at me orange and leaves it in Inbox for action. Claws Bug New: colors New bug reports red and moves them to Bugs folder Claws Bugs: moves them to Bugs folder (enable threading to associate them) Claws Commits: move commit messages to Commits folder Claws List Unleashed: colors announcement messages green and moves them to the list's folder Claws Mailing List: moves all other CM messages to list's folder HTH, Pierre -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Like you have (hopefully) realised, every community has its rules, culture, conventions, and peculiarities. What you (and a few others) have not seemed to realise is that when you join one, you see an oddity you did not expect (bug reports on a users mailing list), when you ask either why or for the removal of the oddity (your email about it) it is for the community managers to decide. In this case, it has been said the bugzilla echo on the mailing list is deliberate. End of story. Now it is your job to deal with it. The door is always open. 3. Because you cannot fathom how to use a software or figure out workflows with multiple software/situations, you should not hope to bend the environment to suite you. You need to adapt. There is help available. However, there is a huge difference in asking "How do I do X" vs "Why do I have to do X". -JP From removed-gdpr at example.com Mon Mar 12 12:08:38 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:08:38 +0200 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: <20180312001540.5df3850d@pfortin.com> References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311104932.18bf2c68@kujata> <20180311121709.69a61f99@bonifac.skk> <20180311124004.71051dc8@utnubu> <20180312001540.5df3850d@pfortin.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 00:15:40 -0400 Pierre Fortin wrote: > If it'll help quiet this list; here are the rules I've been using for > years... (attached) Thanks Pierre. I will look into these. -- George From removed-gdpr at example.com Mon Mar 12 12:19:05 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:19:05 +0200 Subject: [Users] I keep receiving my own posts for bug reports In-Reply-To: References: <20180306131521.586de3ce@gmx.net> <20180308194948.54c7b25f.edodd55@gmail.com> <20180309203557.17fcf93a@mike> <20180311011156.2e0952d3.shai@platonix.com> <20180311103807.50033c70@kujata> <20180311124655.136364dd@utnubu> <20180311130105.425b9b99@utnubu> <1520774240.603733.1299017080.7DE83A75@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180311201238.24c6be5f@utnubu> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 10:02:00 +0530 Jim Pachowski wrote: > 1. Gmail supports advanced filtering. It is hidden. I use Gmail. Can > confirm. Anyway, figure it out or ask Gmail users or Google support. > Not here. As I have clarified so many times the original question is: "How can I configure preferences for bug reports so that I don't receive" and not: "How to keep receiving (and then filter)" Gmail's limitations were mentioned just because that got derailed into a filtering discussion. > What you (and a few others) have not seemed to realise is that [...] > it is for the community managers to decide. That doesn't mean it should not be asked. Otherwise we should assume that a community denies the possibility of communing or improving anything. > 3. Because you cannot fathom how to use a software or figure out > workflows with multiple software/situations, you should not hope to > bend the environment to suite you. You need to adapt. On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 23:14:57 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > > But as far as I understand there are no plans to change anything on > > the sender's side. So if that is final perhaps there isn't anything > > more to say. -- George From claws.paws at mailmight.com Mon Mar 12 14:19:15 2018 From: claws.paws at mailmight.com (claws.paws at mailmight.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:19:15 +0000 Subject: [Users] Message going to both accounts. Message-ID: <1520860755.3826976.1300016760.0081F830@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hello, New to this type of communication so apologies for any 'misdeeds'. I have two accounts set up and one (of course) is the default. Addresses are not alike apart from the providers details after '@'. Issue: The second account keeps receiving messages addressed to the first. This is not with every message just some. The reverse does not happen. I have redone both accounts and checked with the provider but the issue remains. This has only happened since the last upgrade. Any ideas? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net Mon Mar 12 14:33:06 2018 From: lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net (Richard) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:33:06 +0000 Subject: [Users] Message going to both accounts. In-Reply-To: <1520860755.3826976.1300016760.0081F830@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1520860755.3826976.1300016760.0081F830@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: > Date: Monday, March 12, 2018 13:19:15 +0000 > From: claws.paws at mailmight.com > > I have two accounts set up and one (of course) is the default. > Addresses are not alike apart from the providers details after '@'. > Issue: The second account keeps receiving messages addressed to the > first. This is not with every message just some. The reverse does > not happen. I have redone both accounts and checked with the > provider but the issue remains. This has only happened since the > last upgrade. > An IMAP client will only have access to the mailbox(s)/messages that the IMAP server gives it access to, based on the credentials presented by the client. Upgrading/changing the client won't change the messages the client gets. You can look at the full message headers to see how the messages are addressed and delivered, looking for things like aliasing. Specifically compare the addressing in the headers of messages that get delivered to both accounts with those that get delivered to only one mailbox. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Mar 12 15:11:43 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 14:11:43 +0000 Subject: [Users] Message going to both accounts. In-Reply-To: <1520860755.3826976.1300016760.0081F830@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1520860755.3826976.1300016760.0081F830@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20180312141143.477579aa@kujata> On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 13:19:15 +0000 claws.paws at mailmight.com wrote: > New to this type of communication so apologies for any 'misdeeds'. > > I have two accounts set up and one (of course) is the default. > Addresses are not alike apart from the providers details after '@'. > Issue: The second account keeps receiving messages addressed to the > first. This is not with every message just some. The reverse does > not happen. I have redone both accounts and checked with the > provider but the issue remains. This has only happened since the > last upgrade. Any ideas? Are these POP accounts or IMAP accounts? If the former, are you sharing a mailbox between the two or do they each have their own mailbox? Have you configured the accounts correctly? E.g. on the Advanced page? What makes you think that the 2nd account gets messages addressed to the first? You need to tell us more about your set-up before any reasons can be determined. with regards Paul From removed-gdpr at example.com Mon Mar 12 19:04:20 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 20:04:20 +0200 Subject: [Users] Quick filtering based on correspondent email address Message-ID: Clicking on a tag in the message preview results directly in quick filtering with: tag matchcase "". OTOH clicking on a From/Reply-to address opens a new message compositor. I am looking for a way to configure similar functionality but with From/Reply-to. Currently I have a short bash script which converts some at thing.com to message matchcase "some at thing.com" which used in "Extended" filtering mode gives me all messages containing the correspondent address - what I want. However I still need to right click the From/Reply-to, copy the address, then run the script. It is a pain because I have to go through several thousand messages and sort them, so I need to do it as quickly as possible. (all messages are 1-to-1 correspondence) How can I: 1. Create a one click (or one shortcut key) action which creates and applies the quick filter as explained 2. Assign a keyboard shortcut to the "Clear" button (I couldn't find it in Clawsker) -- George From bugs.michael at gmx.net Tue Mar 13 14:18:26 2018 From: bugs.michael at gmx.net (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:18:26 +0100 Subject: [Users] Fwd: Deprecate libcrypt and don't build it by default. In-Reply-To: <20180201114211.73318366.andrej@kacian.sk> References: <20180201030354.729d2527@noname> <20180201114211.73318366.andrej@kacian.sk> Message-ID: <20180313141826.09c2e5e6@gmx.net> On Thu, 1 Feb 2018 11:43:36 +0100, Andrej Kacian wrote: > > The following has been causing some disturbance recently: > > > > | Deprecate libcrypt and don't build it by default. > > | https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2017-08/msg01257.html > > > > | The function prototypes for crypt and encrypt are removed from > > | unistd.h, and the function prototype for setkey is removed from > > | stdlib.h; they do *not* come back with --enable-obsolete-crypt. > > > > Claws Mail still contains compatibility code to decrypt old passwords > > which the user has not changed. As I understand it, Claws Mail does > > not re-encrypt those old passwords automatically, because it would not > > add security before the user would set a customized Master Password > > (a feature since 3.14.0). > > > > Are there any plans with regard to this? > > There are no plans as of yet. The idea was that the old-style passwords > would eventually disappear, one by one, from users' configurations, and > the compatibility code will be removed many, many years from now. > > I guess we could look at adding our own > --disable-obsolete-password-encryption configure option sometimes. Some time has passed by without changing the fundamental problem. Therefore I've refreshed the topic at Fedora. From a few alternative APIs for DES, which may be used as a replacement, the Nettle library has been pointed at because it's used by GnuTLS already anyway. Here's a brief version of the patch that simulates encrypt() with Nettle as to decode old passwords in Claws Mail: https://mschwendt.fedorapeople.org/claws-mail-3.16.0-encrypt-nettle.diff From claws.paws at mailmight.com Tue Mar 13 18:09:51 2018 From: claws.paws at mailmight.com (claws.paws at mailmight.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 17:09:51 +0000 Subject: [Users] Message going to both account s (Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 34) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1520960991.1932389.1301750624.5AE41C35@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi, > Are these POP accounts or IMAP accounts? If the former, are you > sharing a mailbox between the two or do they each have their own > mailbox? Have you configured the accounts correctly? E.g. on the > Advanced page? > > What makes you think that the 2nd account gets messages addressed to > the first? > > You need to tell us more about your set-up before any reasons can be > determined. > > with regards > > Paul Accounts RX = IMAP TX = SMTP 'Advanced' option has greyed out ports and the only things checked are the 'sent' message go in 'sent' folder etc. No option with regard to received messages. Using Claws-Mail 3.15.1-dirty on Linux Mint 18.3 Mate 64 bit Each account has its own password and a totally different address apart from after the @. Some of the messages addressed to the default account address end up in the other account, not as copies or duplicates but as originals. Not looked at headers yet. Will revert in due course. Thanks Paul. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 18:41:30 2018 From: de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com (de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 13:41:30 -0400 Subject: [Users] Message going to both account s (Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 34) In-Reply-To: <1520960991.1932389.1301750624.5AE41C35@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1520960991.1932389.1301750624.5AE41C35@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <5aa80d71.b51bc80a.8eb08.43e5@mx.google.com> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 17:09:51 +0000 claws.paws at mailmight.com wrote: > >Accounts RX = IMAP > TX = SMTP > >'Advanced' option has greyed out ports and the only things checked are >the 'sent' message go in 'sent' folder etc. No option with regard to >received messages. >Using Claws-Mail 3.15.1-dirty on Linux Mint 18.3 Mate 64 bit > >Each account has its own password and a totally different address apart >from after the @. >Some of the messages addressed to the default account address end up in >the other account, not as copies or duplicates but as originals. >Not looked at headers yet. Will revert in due course. > It appears you are using Fastmail so you could use the web interface to check for any server-side filters. -- JT From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 13 18:57:55 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 17:57:55 +0000 Subject: [Users] Message going to both account s (Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 34) In-Reply-To: <1520960991.1932389.1301750624.5AE41C35@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1520960991.1932389.1301750624.5AE41C35@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20180313175755.242c9208@kujata> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 17:09:51 +0000 claws.paws at mailmight.com wrote: > Accounts RX = IMAP > TX = SMTP So this is one IMAP account and one SMTP-only account? > Each account has its own password and a totally different address > apart from after the @. > Some of the messages addressed to the default account address end > up in the other account, not as copies or duplicates but as > originals. Not looked at headers yet. Will revert in due course. How many mailboxes do you have? Do you have a separate mailbox for each account? with regards Paul From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 13 21:00:18 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:00:18 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3985] New: An empty progress bar remains after POP mail check completes Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3985 Bug ID: 3985 Summary: An empty progress bar remains after POP mail check completes Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com Created attachment 1854 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1854&action=edit screenshot When clicking "Get mail" and choosing from the dropdown one of my POP mail accounts messages are downloaded properly, then the connection is closed: [21:58:01] POP> QUIT [21:58:01] POP< +OK abv POP3 Server signing off. but the progress bar on bottom right still remains. When checking IMAP account this doesn't happen, only with POP. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 13 21:56:46 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:56:46 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3985] An empty progress bar remains after POP mail check completes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3985 --- Comment #1 from Paul --- What does your screenshot indicate, that it's a darker grey? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 13 22:13:21 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 21:13:21 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3985] An empty progress bar remains after POP mail check completes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3985 --- Comment #2 from Removed after GDPR request --- It shows the empty progress bar which remains. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 13 22:14:14 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 21:14:14 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3985] An empty progress bar remains after POP mail check completes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3985 --- Comment #3 from Removed after GDPR request --- Created attachment 1855 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1855&action=edit expected (no progress bar) This is how it should be (and how it is with IMAP check) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From dave at howorth.org.uk Tue Mar 13 23:21:07 2018 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 22:21:07 +0000 Subject: [Users] [ re: Bug 3985] An empty progress bar remains after POP mail check completes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180313222107.0fad8f44@acer-suse.lan> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 21:14:14 +0000 noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3985 > > --- Comment #3 from Removed after GDPR request --- > Created attachment 1855 > --> > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1855&action=edit > expected (no progress bar) > > This is how it should be (and how it is with IMAP check) FWIW, I see the persistent grey box with my POP account but only after scanning for incoming mail and NOT finding any. It disappears after a scan that does find some mail has completed running my filters on the new mail. I don't view this behaviour as a bug. openSUSE Leap 42.3, Claws Mail 3.13.2 From removed-gdpr at example.com Wed Mar 14 08:55:34 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:55:34 +0200 Subject: [Users] [ re: Bug 3985] An empty progress bar remains after POP mail check completes In-Reply-To: <20180313222107.0fad8f44@acer-suse.lan> References: <20180313222107.0fad8f44@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 22:21:07 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote: > I don't view this behaviour as a bug. It is a bug because visually it indicates a process which has started but not completed although the process is actually finished. -- George From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 14 00:42:12 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 23:42:12 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3985] An empty progress bar remains after POP mail check completes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3985 --- Comment #4 from wwp --- Does this happen every time you get mail from this POP account? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 14 08:53:42 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 07:53:42 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3985] An empty progress bar remains after POP mail check completes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3985 --- Comment #5 from Removed after GDPR request --- Yes. Same for other POP accounts too. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 14 10:38:01 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:38:01 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3986] New: Recursive quick search for Phrase in 'whole message' or 'body part' creates an infinite loop Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3986 Bug ID: 3986 Summary: Recursive quick search for Phrase in 'whole message' or 'body part' creates an infinite loop Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: QuickSearch Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com Created attachment 1856 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1856&action=edit network log STR: 1. Open an IMAP folder containing some subfolders 2. Run an Extended quick search with "Recursive" box checked for a phrase in 'whole message' or 'body part', e.g. body_part matchcase "something" EXPECTED: Messages should be found ACTUAL: Waiting forever without finding any messages. Looking at network log (attached) shows errors. The only way to stop this is to kill claws-mail process. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 14 10:47:26 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:47:26 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3986] IMAP recursive quick search for Phrase in 'whole message' or 'body part' creates an infinite loop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3986 Removed after GDPR request changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|Recursive quick search for |IMAP recursive quick search |Phrase in 'whole message' |for Phrase in 'whole |or 'body part' creates an |message' or 'body part' |infinite loop |creates an infinite loop -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 14 11:10:45 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 10:10:45 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3986] IMAP recursive quick search for Phrase in 'whole message' or 'body part' creates an infinite loop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3986 --- Comment #1 from Removed after GDPR request --- With a search like: message matchcase "some at thing.com" when the "some at thing.com" is part of some message's headers the problems seems not to appear. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 14 16:25:44 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:25:44 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3987] New: Magnifier icon on folders does not update correctly upon update of folder contents Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3987 Bug ID: 3987 Summary: Magnifier icon on folders does not update correctly upon update of folder contents Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: QuickSearch Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com STR: 1. Have an example folder structure in Mailbox (MH) like: Parent Parent/Child1 Parent/Child2 ... Parent/ChildN/... and put some messages in all folders except Parent. 2. Create a sticky+recursive Extended quick search such as: message matchcase "something" & ~tag matchcase "ZZZ" and run it on Parent 3. The folders containing the messages with given parameters get the "magnifier" icon after the search is completed. Suppose Child2 has matches 4. Click to open Child2 folder 5. Select all the filtered messages and apply tag "ZZZ" 6. Click to open Parent folder EXPECTED: The "magnifier" icon should be removed from Child2. ACTUAL: The "magnifier" icon remains on Child2 although it does not contain matches 7. Click to open Child2 folder EXPECTED and ACTUAL: same as above. The only way to have proper update is to clear the filter and reapply it on Parent, i.e. not a "sticky" behavior. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 14 16:28:31 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:28:31 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3988] New: "Run on select" is not documented Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3988 Bug ID: 3988 Summary: "Run on select" is not documented Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Other Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com The manual doesn't mention what "Run on select" does (Quick search). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 14 16:46:48 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:46:48 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3988] "Run on select" is not documented In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3988 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #1 from Paul --- not a bug -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From claws.paws at mailmight.com Wed Mar 14 16:55:45 2018 From: claws.paws at mailmight.com (claws.paws at mailmight.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:55:45 +0000 Subject: [Users] Message going to both account s (Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 35) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1521042945.2386169.1303008792.6689B689@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018, at 22:08, users-request at lists.claws-mail.org wrote:> Hi, > >> Are these POP accounts or IMAP accounts? If the former, are you >> sharing a mailbox between the two or do they each have their own >> mailbox? Have you configured the accounts correctly? E.g. on the >> Advanced page? >> >> What makes you think that the 2nd account gets messages addressed to>> the first? >> >> You need to tell us more about your set-up before any reasons can be>> determined. >> >> with regards >> >> Paul > > Accounts RX = IMAP > TX = SMTP > > 'Advanced' option has greyed out ports and the only things checked are> the 'sent' message go in 'sent' folder etc. No option with regard to > received messages. > Using Claws-Mail 3.15.1-dirty on Linux Mint 18.3 Mate 64 bit > > Each account has its own password and a totally different > address apart> from after the @. > Some of the messages addressed to the default account address > end up in> the other account, not as copies or duplicates but as originals. > Not looked at headers yet. Will revert in due course. > > Thanks > > Paul. > > From: de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com > To: users at lists.claws-mail.org > > > It appears you are using Fastmail so you could use the web > interface to> check for any server-side filters. > > JT > JT, My Fastmail account has no connection with Claws - totally separate entities. >> Accounts RX = IMAP >> TX = SMTP > > So this is one IMAP account and one SMTP-only account? One account for each address i.e. an Imap and SMTP each. >> Each account has its own password and a totally different address >> apart from after the @. >> Some of the messages addressed to the default account address end >> up in the other account, not as copies or duplicates but as >> originals. Not looked at headers yet. Will revert in due course. > > How many mailboxes do you have? Do you have a separate mailbox for > each account? Two one for each address. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 14 17:00:56 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 16:00:56 +0000 Subject: [Users] Message going to both account s (Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 35) In-Reply-To: <1521042945.2386169.1303008792.6689B689@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1521042945.2386169.1303008792.6689B689@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20180314160056.1ff39197@kujata> On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:55:45 +0000 claws.paws at mailmight.com wrote: > Two one for each address. So you have an IMAP mailbox and an MH mailbox? The latter for the SMTP-only account? with regards Paul From de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 19:29:14 2018 From: de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com (de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 14:29:14 -0400 Subject: [Users] Message going to both account s (Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 35) In-Reply-To: <1521042945.2386169.1303008792.6689B689@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1521042945.2386169.1303008792.6689B689@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <5aa96a28.4127370a.11db5.d823@mx.google.com> On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:55:45 +0000 claws.paws at mailmight.com wrote: >> >> From: de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com >> To: users at lists.claws-mail.org >> >> >> It appears you are using Fastmail so you could use the web >> interface to> check for any server-side filters. >> >> JT >> >JT, My Fastmail account has no connection with Claws - totally >separate entities. > From your description, Claws is displaying mail on the Fastmail server, not in a local mailbox. Isn't the issue that you are seeing mail in the wrong mailbox on the IMAP server? Therefore that led to my question about server-side filters since I believe you have said that you have no Claws filters. -- JT From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 14 20:19:18 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 19:19:18 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3986] IMAP recursive quick search for Phrase in 'whole message' or 'body part' creates an infinite loop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3986 --- Comment #2 from Andrej Kacian --- I can confirm this, but only on Gmail, and only if the searched string contains non-ASCII characters. Libetpan adds the "CHARSET UTF-8" parameter to the UID SEARCH command, which Gmail's IMAP implementation apparently does not support, and this error case apparently is not handled in Claws Mail, as it should error out instead of diving into an endless loop. For now, you can get out of the loop by hitting Ctrl+W twice to toggle offline mode. That should make Claws snap out of it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 14 21:34:27 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 20:34:27 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3986] IMAP recursive quick search for Phrase in 'whole message' or 'body part' creates an infinite loop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3986 --- Comment #3 from Andrej Kacian --- Created attachment 1857 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1857&action=edit Handle IMAP search failure instead of ignoring it Attached patch makes Claws Mail error out on protocol error during search, disconnect the IMAP session, and display an error dialog about it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 14 23:18:09 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:18:09 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3986] IMAP recursive quick search for Phrase in 'whole message' or 'body part' creates an infinite loop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3986 --- Comment #4 from Removed after GDPR request --- Thanks Andrej! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From sylpheed at 911networks.com Thu Mar 15 01:36:17 2018 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 17:36:17 -0700 Subject: [Users] Is there a way of locking a message? Message-ID: <20180314173617.0b011e50@frogguski.911networks.com> CM 3.16.0 I have a few messages in the inbox, almost everything gets moved to different folders or to the trash. I have a message in the inbox that I want to keep there and not move it. I have already deleted it once by accident (operator incompetency). Is there a way of locking it so it doesn't get moved? -- sknahT vyS From ticho at claws-mail.org Thu Mar 15 01:55:33 2018 From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 01:55:33 +0100 Subject: [Users] Is there a way of locking a message? In-Reply-To: <20180314173617.0b011e50@frogguski.911networks.com> References: <20180314173617.0b011e50@frogguski.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20180315015533.5b8f280a@penny> On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 17:36:17 -0700 sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > Is there a way of locking it so it doesn't get moved? Right-click the message and select /Mark/Lock menu item, or a similar menu item in main window's Message menu. Regards, -- Andrej From jpaulb at eastlink.ca Thu Mar 15 02:03:51 2018 From: jpaulb at eastlink.ca (J. Paul Bissonnette) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:03:51 -0300 Subject: [Users] Is there a way of locking a message? In-Reply-To: <20180315015533.5b8f280a@penny> References: <20180314173617.0b011e50@frogguski.911networks.com> <20180315015533.5b8f280a@penny> Message-ID: <20180314220351.07a3b5b8@maple> On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 01:55:33 +0100 Andrej Kacian wrote: > On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 17:36:17 -0700 > sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > > > Is there a way of locking it so it doesn't get moved? > > Right-click the message and select /Mark/Lock menu item, or a similar > menu item in main window's Message menu. > > Regards, Thanks From sylpheed at 911networks.com Thu Mar 15 02:05:44 2018 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:05:44 -0700 Subject: [Users] Is there a way of locking a message? In-Reply-To: <20180315015533.5b8f280a@penny> References: <20180314173617.0b011e50@frogguski.911networks.com> <20180315015533.5b8f280a@penny> Message-ID: <20180314180544.12ecd6a6@frogguski.911networks.com> On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 01:55:33 +0100 Andrej Kacian wrote: >On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 17:36:17 -0700 >sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > >> Is there a way of locking it so it doesn't get moved? > >Right-click the message and select /Mark/Lock menu item, or a similar >menu item in main window's Message menu. Thanks you. 8 years user of CM and I didn't know that. -- sknahT vyS From slitt at troubleshooters.com Thu Mar 15 01:20:44 2018 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 20:20:44 -0400 Subject: [Users] Dovecot 2.2.34 can break your world Message-ID: <20180314202044.28173aa0@mydesk.domain.cxm> Hi all, If you're using Claws-Mail as a window into your local Dovecot IMAP server, when you get bumped up to Dovecot 2.2.34 is going to break your world. Claws will tell you something like "handshake error". The root cause is that Dovecot 2.2.34 dropped support for SSLv2, so any SSLv2 in your config breaks Dovecot. But I'm pretty sure that even if you don't specify an SSL version, 2.2.34 defaults to SSLv2 (which it dropped support for), so you need to manually write in uncommented SSLv3 in 10-ssl.conf everywhere commented SSLv2 occurs. Cranking up the log levels in 10-logging.conf help in diagnosis, as do commands like: openssl s_client -connect 127.0.0.1:993 If you use Dovecot as an IMAP for Claws and stuff stops working, remember this email. SteveT From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 15 08:55:03 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 07:55:03 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3985] An empty progress bar remains after POP mail check completes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3985 --- Comment #6 from Shai Berger --- FWIW, I use POP and never encounter the problem; one apparent difference is that the POP account is the only one I have configured. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 15 11:51:40 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 10:51:40 +0000 Subject: [Users] Is there a way of locking a message? In-Reply-To: <20180314180544.12ecd6a6@frogguski.911networks.com> References: <20180314173617.0b011e50@frogguski.911networks.com> <20180315015533.5b8f280a@penny> <20180314180544.12ecd6a6@frogguski.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20180315105140.3fed9c28@kujata> On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:05:44 -0700 sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > 8 years user of CM and I didn't know that. It is also possible to display the Locked column in the message list and click in that column to lock or unlock a message. /View/Set displayed columns/In message list... with regards Paul From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 15 11:56:24 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 10:56:24 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3985] An empty progress bar remains after POP mail check completes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3985 --- Comment #7 from wwp --- AFAICS, it can be reproduced only if your POP account is configured to leave messages on server. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Thu Mar 15 12:15:58 2018 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 11:15:58 +0000 Subject: [Users] SSL cipher recommendations - was Re: Dovecot 2.2.34 can break your world In-Reply-To: <20180314202044.28173aa0@mydesk.domain.cxm> References: <20180314202044.28173aa0@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: <20180315121558.000035bc@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 20:20:44 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > you need to manually write in uncommented SSLv3 > in 10-ssl.conf everywhere commented SSLv2 occurs. While this might make things work, it's worth pointing out that SSLv3 is regarded as very insecure these days, so it's better to use a list of defined ciphers in your SSL configs. This link: https://www.acunetix.com/blog/articles/tls-ssl-cipher-hardening/ provides some information on what is good and bad, naturally it's sensible to back up your various configs before making changes. It's interesting to look at ssh logs after these changes, if you run public facing servers there is a big increase in failed sessions because the other end doesn't support crypto that has been in public use for 20 years and is recommended for these uses. -- Brian Morrison From claws.paws at mailmight.com Thu Mar 15 15:27:02 2018 From: claws.paws at mailmight.com (claws.paws at mailmight.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:27:02 +0000 Subject: [Users] Message going to both account s. Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 37 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1521124022.1285987.1304253552.17D556F9@webmail.messagingengine.com> Paul & JT . . > So you have an IMAP mailbox and an MH mailbox? The latter for the > SMTP-only account? Sorry Paul you lost me there. What is an MH mailbox? Each address uses IMAP for RX and SMTP for TX > From your description, Claws is displaying mail on the Fastmail > server,> not in a local mailbox. Isn't the issue that you are seeing > mail in the> wrong mailbox on the IMAP server? Therefore that led to my question > about server-side filters since I believe you have said that > you have no> Claws filters. 'Fraid not. Claws runs stand-alone with no connection to Fastmail as I said previously. I run Fastmail via its web-interface and it has no connection with the Claws Mail service provider. Thanks and Regards, Paul. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Thu Mar 15 15:31:53 2018 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:31:53 +0000 Subject: [Users] Status of claws-contacts and new address book? Message-ID: <20180315153153.00002c8a@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> Would one of the devs care to comment on where this is currently? I have never built the claws-contact dbus service and enabled it, so is there any benefit to that? If I add --enable-new-addrbook to the CM build process, is this still valid and still useful? Sorry to appear less than clued up, I lost track of this some time ago and never got round to asking about it before. -- Brian Morrison From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Thu Mar 15 15:40:48 2018 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:40:48 +0000 Subject: [Users] Message going to both account s. Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 37 In-Reply-To: <1521124022.1285987.1304253552.17D556F9@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1521124022.1285987.1304253552.17D556F9@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20180315154048.00002682@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:27:02 +0000 claws.paws at mailmight.com wrote: > Sorry Paul you lost me there. What is an MH mailbox? File->Add Mailbox->MH This adds a local mailbox which uses MH format, it allows you to store locally so that, for instance, you can queue mail or drafts offline for when you don't have access to a remote mailbox such as IMAP. Each folder can be set to point at an MH mailbox, so only those you need to be local use this mechanism. -- Brian Morrison From lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net Thu Mar 15 15:41:58 2018 From: lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net (Richard) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:41:58 +0000 Subject: [Users] Message going to both account s. Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 37 In-Reply-To: <1521124022.1285987.1304253552.17D556F9@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1521124022.1285987.1304253552.17D556F9@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: > Date: Thursday, March 15, 2018 14:27:02 +0000 > From: claws.paws at mailmight.com > > Paul & JT . . > >> So you have an IMAP mailbox and an MH mailbox? The latter for the >> SMTP-only account? > > Sorry Paul you lost me there. What is an MH mailbox? > Each address uses IMAP for RX and SMTP for TX > >> From your description, Claws is displaying mail on the Fastmail >> server,> not in a local mailbox. Isn't the issue that you are >> seeing mail in the> wrong mailbox on the IMAP server? Therefore >> that led to my question about server-side filters since I believe >> you have said that you have no> Claws filters. > > 'Fraid not. Claws runs stand-alone with no connection to Fastmail > as I said previously. I run Fastmail via its web-interface and it > has no connection with the Claws Mail service provider. > Thanks and Regards, > > Paul. > Have you had a chance to look at the received headers of a duplicated and non- message on each account? As I believe you reported that it's a "sometimes" occurrence I'm suspecting aliasing, or some such, but without a close review of the headers that's hard to rule that in or out. From rezso at rezso.net Thu Mar 15 15:58:58 2018 From: rezso at rezso.net (=?UTF-8?B?UMOhZGVyIFJlenPFkQ==?=) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:58:58 +0100 Subject: [Users] Status of claws-contacts and new address book? In-Reply-To: <20180315153153.00002c8a@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20180315153153.00002c8a@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20180315155858.51e09a22@papi.home> Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:31:53 +0000 -n Brian Morrison írta: >Would one of the devs care to comment on where this is currently? I >have never built the claws-contact dbus service and enabled it, so is >there any benefit to that? > >If I add --enable-new-addrbook to the CM build process, is this still >valid and still useful? > >Sorry to appear less than clued up, I lost track of this some time ago >and never got round to asking about it before. I used it before reinstalling my system, with empty home directory. If you have a compiled claws-contacts, you can use the --enable-new-addrbook option, and the new addressbook will work. If you have any existing address book in CM (under ~/.claws-mail/addrbook), claws-contacts uses it. But if not exists any address book, claws-contacts doesn't makes any new address book, and if you try to made a new one, it creates under ~ by default, instead of ~/.contacts/. -- R. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 15 16:07:31 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:07:31 +0000 Subject: [Users] Message going to both account s. Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 37 In-Reply-To: <20180315154048.00002682@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> References: <1521124022.1285987.1304253552.17D556F9@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180315154048.00002682@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20180315150731.29b41bef@kujata> On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:40:48 +0000 Brian Morrison wrote: > This adds a local mailbox which uses MH format, it allows you to > store locally so that, for instance, you can queue mail or drafts > offline for when you don't have access to a remote mailbox such as > IMAP. Or, more pertinently, to hold mail received via a POP account. with regards Paul From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Thu Mar 15 16:13:56 2018 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:13:56 +0000 Subject: [Users] Status of claws-contacts and new address book? In-Reply-To: <20180315155858.51e09a22@papi.home> References: <20180315153153.00002c8a@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180315155858.51e09a22@papi.home> Message-ID: <20180315161356.000002c7@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:58:58 +0100 Páder Rezső wrote: > Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:31:53 +0000 -n > Brian Morrison írta: > > >Would one of the devs care to comment on where this is currently? I > >have never built the claws-contact dbus service and enabled it, so is > >there any benefit to that? > > > >If I add --enable-new-addrbook to the CM build process, is this still > >valid and still useful? > > > >Sorry to appear less than clued up, I lost track of this some time > >ago and never got round to asking about it before. > > I used it before reinstalling my system, with empty home directory. > > If you have a compiled claws-contacts, you can use the > --enable-new-addrbook option, and the new addressbook will work. Does that mean that if I don't have the claws-contacts service that this option should not be enabled? Or would it just do nothing? > If you have any existing address book in CM > (under ~/.claws-mail/addrbook), claws-contacts uses it. OK > But if not exists any address book, claws-contacts doesn't makes any > new address book, and if you try to made a new one, it > creates under ~ by default, instead of ~/.contacts/. > So if I create ~/.contacts a new address book will be placed there? What's the advantage of the new address book, is it shared with other applications? Is there any intention to roll this function into CM's normal release version? -- Brian Morrison From rezso at rezso.net Thu Mar 15 16:31:46 2018 From: rezso at rezso.net (=?UTF-8?B?UMOhZGVyIFJlenPFkQ==?=) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:31:46 +0100 Subject: [Users] Status of claws-contacts and new address book? In-Reply-To: <20180315161356.000002c7@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20180315153153.00002c8a@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180315155858.51e09a22@papi.home> <20180315161356.000002c7@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20180315163146.1bd439fe@papi.home> >Does that mean that if I don't have the claws-contacts service that >this option should not be enabled? Or would it just do nothing? If you want to use claws-contacts, you must to compile it from git (http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=contacts.git;a=summary) before compiling CM: PKG_CHECK_MODULES(CONTACTS, [claws-contacts], >So if I create ~/.contacts a new address book will be placed there? No. The existing CM addressbook(s) will be placed here. The default path of the new addressbok in claws-contacts is the "main" home directory. >What's the advantage of the new address book, is it shared with other >applications? I don't know, but it works as standalone application also. >Is there any intention to roll this function into CM's normal release >version? Good question, but I am not a developer. -- R. From rezso at rezso.net Thu Mar 15 17:00:48 2018 From: rezso at rezso.net (=?UTF-8?B?UMOhZGVyIFJlenPFkQ==?=) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 17:00:48 +0100 Subject: [Users] Status of claws-contacts and new address book? In-Reply-To: <20180315163146.1bd439fe@papi.home> References: <20180315153153.00002c8a@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180315155858.51e09a22@papi.home> <20180315161356.000002c7@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180315163146.1bd439fe@papi.home> Message-ID: <20180315170048.3791b1e8@papi.home> >If you want to use claws-contacts, you must to compile it from git >(http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=contacts.git;a=summary) before compiling >CM: >PKG_CHECK_MODULES(CONTACTS, [claws-contacts], Note: you can compile the new addressbook support with --enable-alternate-addressbook, not with --enable-new-addrbook. -- R. From mir at miras.org Thu Mar 15 17:00:56 2018 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 17:00:56 +0100 Subject: [Users] Status of claws-contacts and new address book? In-Reply-To: <20180315163146.1bd439fe@papi.home> References: <20180315153153.00002c8a@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180315155858.51e09a22@papi.home> <20180315161356.000002c7@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180315163146.1bd439fe@papi.home> Message-ID: <20180315170056.1bbcbc8d@sleipner.datanom.net> On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:31:46 +0100 Páder Rezső wrote: > > >What's the advantage of the new address book, is it shared with other > >applications? > > I don't know, but it works as standalone application also. > It provides the same back-ends as the native claws address book but can be extended with plugins to support any format (caldav, iCalendar etc). Also import and export is supported for ldif and vCard. > >Is there any intention to roll this function into CM's normal release > >version? > > Good question, but I am not a developer. > > Since there were never any interest for adding this to claws mail I stopped spending time on it some years back. -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/games/fortune -es says: Feminists just want the human race to be a tie. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 15 17:12:18 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:12:18 +0000 Subject: [Users] Status of claws-contacts and new address book? In-Reply-To: <20180315170056.1bbcbc8d@sleipner.datanom.net> References: <20180315153153.00002c8a@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180315155858.51e09a22@papi.home> <20180315161356.000002c7@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180315163146.1bd439fe@papi.home> <20180315170056.1bbcbc8d@sleipner.datanom.net> Message-ID: <20180315161218.45e34ccb@kujata> On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 17:00:56 +0100 Michael Rasmussen wrote: > Since there were never any interest for adding this to claws mail I > stopped spending time on it some years back. There was some interest. Not enough (or perhaps not the right sort) for you, perhaps? with regards Paul From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Thu Mar 15 18:32:31 2018 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 11:32:31 -0600 Subject: [Users] Status of claws-contacts and new address book? In-Reply-To: <20180315161218.45e34ccb@kujata> References: <20180315153153.00002c8a@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180315155858.51e09a22@papi.home> <20180315161356.000002c7@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180315163146.1bd439fe@papi.home> <20180315170056.1bbcbc8d@sleipner.datanom.net> <20180315161218.45e34ccb@kujata> Message-ID: <20180315113231.455d23ee@hawk.localdomain> On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:12:18 +0000 Paul wrote: > > Since there were never any interest for adding this to claws mail I > > stopped spending time on it some years back. > > There was some interest. Not enough (or perhaps not the right sort) > for you, perhaps? I'm interested. I'd like to be able to move data between Claws and my iPhone, via NextCloud or directly. I also have a database I first wrote back in the late Pliocene which I would like to move away from. -- A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within. The essential causes of Rome's decline lay in her people, her morals, her class struggle, her failing trade, her bureaucratic despotism, her stifling taxes, her consuming wars. -- Will and Ariel Durant, III The Story of Civilization (1944) epilogue From de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 19:46:40 2018 From: de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com (JT) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:46:40 -0400 Subject: [Users] Message going to both account s. Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 37 In-Reply-To: <1521124022.1285987.1304253552.17D556F9@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1521124022.1285987.1304253552.17D556F9@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <5aaabfcb.876d370a.864fe.a248@mx.google.com> On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:27:02 +0000 claws.paws at mailmight.com wrote: > >> From your description, Claws is displaying mail on the Fastmail >> server,> not in a local mailbox. Isn't the issue that you are >> seeing mail in the> wrong mailbox on the IMAP server? Therefore that >> led to my question about server-side filters since I believe you >> have said that you have no> Claws filters. > >'Fraid not. Claws runs stand-alone with no connection to Fastmail as I >said previously. I run Fastmail via its web-interface and it has no >connection with the Claws Mail service provider. >Thanks and Regards, > Holy moly. If Claws is not connecting to Fastmail via IMAP, what is it connecting to? I was unaware Claws had a service provider. Who might that be? -- JT From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 15 20:29:28 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:29:28 +0000 Subject: [Users] deeply indented threads In-Reply-To: <20171031121435.6b51f502@acer-suse.lan> References: <20171031121435.6b51f502@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20180315192928.455a3bd3@kujata> On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:14:35 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote: > For most of my folders, I use threaded display. In some - I'm > thinking of one particular mailing list at the moment - threads > sometimes get quite deep, with the result that the Subject moves > ever rightwards and disappears entirely. Quite a belated answer, not sure what reminded me of your question... Anyway, there is a hidden pref 'enable_hscrollbar' which adds a horizontal scrollbar to the message list. It's on by default, I guess you turned it off at some point. with regards Paul From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 15 20:33:52 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:33:52 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3986] IMAP quick search using non-ASCII characters creates an infinite loop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3986 Andrej Kacian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|IMAP recursive quick search |IMAP quick search using |for Phrase in 'whole |non-ASCII characters |message' or 'body part' |creates an infinite loop |creates an infinite loop | -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From dave at howorth.org.uk Thu Mar 15 21:25:29 2018 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 20:25:29 +0000 Subject: [Users] deeply indented threads In-Reply-To: <20180315192928.455a3bd3@kujata> References: <20171031121435.6b51f502@acer-suse.lan> <20180315192928.455a3bd3@kujata> Message-ID: <20180315202529.4cb79390@acer-suse.lan> On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:29:28 +0000 Paul wrote: > On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:14:35 +0000 > Dave Howorth wrote: > > > For most of my folders, I use threaded display. In some - I'm > > thinking of one particular mailing list at the moment - threads > > sometimes get quite deep, with the result that the Subject moves > > ever rightwards and disappears entirely. > > Quite a belated answer, not sure what reminded me of your question... > Anyway, there is a hidden pref 'enable_hscrollbar' which adds a > horizontal scrollbar to the message list. It's on by default, I guess > you turned it off at some point. Thanks for the reply. I have that scrollbar enabled: clawsrc:enable_hscrollbar=1 But that only applies if the widths of the columns on display are greater than the width available in the window. That's not my problem. I have the widths set as I want them for normal use; it's what happens in exceptionally deep threads that is my issue. A possible solution might be allowing me to nominate the Subject column to be expanded instead of the Size column (which happens to be rightmost) when I maximise the claws window. From tanramon at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 22:05:40 2018 From: tanramon at gmail.com (tanramon) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 17:05:40 -0400 Subject: [Users] How can I migrate MS-OUTLOOK (2007) PST files to CLAWS format? Message-ID: <000001d3bca1$60285990$20790cb0$@com> Hello, I'm a new user, and I'm interested in moving to Claws on Windows 7 (64-bit). However, I have over 10 years of critical emails which are archived in PST format - this is the standard for MS-OUTLOOK. Is there a tool that can do this migration? I do not know what mail format is used by CLAWS, but from what I've been reading on these user forums, it is MH (?). I also read somewhere that I must migrate first from PST to MBOX, and then from MBOX to MH. My other questions concern the mail client/server setup: I am MS-OUTLOOK client, to SMTP/POP3 server of GMAIL. I keep all my emails on my PC hard drive in PST format. I delete all my INBOX and SENT folders in GMAIL as soon as my OUTLOOK client downloads the incoming emails. Can Claws work with a GMAIL POP3/SMTP, or does it have a different architecture? Any tips, advice, references, etc. will be highly appreciated. Thank you. RTan From ticho at claws-mail.org Thu Mar 15 23:18:03 2018 From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 23:18:03 +0100 Subject: [Users] How can I migrate MS-OUTLOOK (2007) PST files to CLAWS format? In-Reply-To: <000001d3bca1$60285990$20790cb0$@com> References: <000001d3bca1$60285990$20790cb0$@com> Message-ID: <20180315231803.48d9cf3e@penny> On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 17:05:40 -0400 "tanramon" wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a new user, and I'm interested in moving to Claws on Windows 7 > (64-bit). I would suggest using the 32-bit version of Claws Mail, even if your Windows OS is 64-bit, due to better stability of that version. > However, I have over 10 years of critical emails which are archived in > PST format - > this is the standard for MS-OUTLOOK. > > Is there a tool that can do this migration? I do not know what mail > format is used by CLAWS, > but from what I've been reading on these user forums, it is MH (?). I > also read somewhere > that I must migrate first from PST to MBOX, and then from MBOX to MH. On Unix-shaped operating systems, there is a nice set of utilities at http://www.five-ten-sg.com/libpst/, one of which can convert PST directly to a MH format. No idea about what is available for Windows, though. > My other questions concern the mail client/server setup: I am > MS-OUTLOOK client, to SMTP/POP3 > server of GMAIL. I keep all my emails on my PC hard drive in PST > format. I delete all my > INBOX and SENT folders in GMAIL as soon as my OUTLOOK client downloads > the incoming emails. > > Can Claws work with a GMAIL POP3/SMTP, or does it have a different > architecture? Yes, Claws Mail works with Gmail's POP3 and SMTP, or with any other server supporting these protocols. Regards, -- Andrej From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 15 22:18:18 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 21:18:18 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3986] IMAP quick search using non-ASCII characters creates an infinite loop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3986 Andrej Kacian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #5 from users at lists.claws-mail.org --- Changes related to this bug have been committed. Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly. You can also get the patch from: http://git.claws-mail.org/ ++ ChangeLog 2018-03-15 20:35:05.470526677 +0100 http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=9af9b6b567dc2b2e16fec0566807666724836b2a Merge: 8f860bf 2d03eb9 Author: Colin Leroy Date: Thu Mar 15 20:35:04 2018 +0100 Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d03eb98268e11b12c698bb6f98c7fb2f3559e3b Author: Andrej Kacian Date: Wed Mar 14 21:35:05 2018 +0100 Handle IMAP search failure instead of ignoring it. Error out on protocol error during search, disconnect the IMAP session, and display an error dialog about it. Closes bug 3986 - IMAP quick search using non-ASCII characters creates an infinite loop --- Comment #6 from Andrej Kacian --- Thanks for the report, the fix will be in next release. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From mjr at phonecoop.coop Fri Mar 16 14:42:03 2018 From: mjr at phonecoop.coop (MJ Ray) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:42:03 +0000 Subject: [Users] "From"-field in an mail-answer doesn't match with the "To" in the replied mail In-Reply-To: <20180309160839.4f923d61@aeon.tonga.net> References: <20180309160839.4f923d61@aeon.tonga.net> Message-ID: <20180316134154.2b9a159e@bletchley.towers.org.uk> On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 16:08:39 +0100 Christoph Stracke wrote: > BUT: When the sender is a mailing-list or when I get an email from a > list with hidden (BCC:) addresses, Claws does not take the right > address for the answer, but instead the address of the > "collecting-account". When I look at the header, Claws takes the > "Delivered-To"-address to send the answer, but instead it should take > the "Envelope-To"-address. > > Is it possible for me to change this behaviour, or is it a bug? I didn't figure out how either. Report it as a bug. I'd hope someone will close it as worksforme or something with an explanation if it's not one. Thanks, -- MJR http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ Member of http://www.software.coop/ (but this email is my personal view only) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 16 15:22:59 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 14:22:59 +0000 Subject: [Users] "From"-field in an mail-answer doesn't match with the "To" in the replied mail In-Reply-To: <20180316134154.2b9a159e@bletchley.towers.org.uk> References: <20180309160839.4f923d61@aeon.tonga.net> <20180316134154.2b9a159e@bletchley.towers.org.uk> Message-ID: <20180316142259.4d1d8b8f@kujata> On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:42:03 +0000 MJ Ray wrote: > I didn't figure out how either. Report it as a bug. I'd hope someone > will close it as worksforme or something with an explanation if > it's not one. The description was hard to make sense of, I found. Anyway, there are options for Automatic Account Selection, there are folder Properties for selecting an Account, there's an option for the Reply button to invoke a Mailing List reply, there's the /Message/Mailing-List/... menu. Somewhere amongst that lot is presumably a solution to whatever the problem is. with regards Paul From claws.paws at mailmight.com Fri Mar 16 18:40:43 2018 From: claws.paws at mailmight.com (claws.paws at mailmight.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 17:40:43 +0000 Subject: [Users] Message going to both account s Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 40 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1521222043.3651755.1305752288.03CA6500@webmail.messagingengine.com> JL, >> >> 'Fraid not. Claws runs stand-alone with no connection to >> Fastmail as I>> said previously. I run Fastmail via its web-interface and it has no >> connection with the Claws Mail service provider. >> Thanks and Regards, >> > Holy moly. If Claws is not connecting to Fastmail via IMAP, > what is it> connecting to? I was unaware Claws had a service provider. Who might> that be? This is nothing special - I just use the email facility provided by my Internet/Land Line supplier and Claws is my interface. Thanks, And . . . Paul I have been looking at headers but can find nothing that looks odd to me but I am not a 'geek'. Soooo I think I may just uninstall Claws and re-do it all from scratch. Nothing to be lost in doing that as all the profiles/whatever are backed up daily. Thanks for advice. Regards - Paul. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net Fri Mar 16 18:51:27 2018 From: lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net (Richard) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 17:51:27 +0000 Subject: [Users] Message going to both account s Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 40 In-Reply-To: <1521222043.3651755.1305752288.03CA6500@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1521222043.3651755.1305752288.03CA6500@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <4E7EA98BEECB896143B9E872@ritz.innovate.net> > Date: Friday, March 16, 2018 17:40:43 +0000 > From: claws.paws at mailmight.com > > And . . . > > Paul I have been looking at headers but can find nothing that looks > odd to me but I am not a 'geek'. Soooo I think I may just uninstall > Claws and re-do it all from scratch. Nothing to be lost in doing > that as all the profiles/whatever are backed up daily. > Thanks for advice. > In the headers the things to specifically look at include: Delivered-To: X-Orig-To: To: The "Delivered-To:" value should be the address of the mailbox you retrieved the message from. The other two addresses, if not the same as the "Delivered-To", could be indications of addresses that are aliases/distribution lists/etc. There are other bits in the "received" lines, but the above can generally help to sort out the obvious. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 16 18:58:14 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 17:58:14 +0000 Subject: [Users] Message going to both account s Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 40 In-Reply-To: <1521222043.3651755.1305752288.03CA6500@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1521222043.3651755.1305752288.03CA6500@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20180316175814.005ebba3@kujata> I'm still trying to understand what you are trying to describe. You said, "The second account keeps receiving messages addressed to the first", but then said (I think) that you have an IMAP account and an SMTP-only, but this latter cannot receive mail at all, it's a send-only account. You have not managed to describe your mailboxes or, with any certainty, what accounts you have. Until you can at least do this, I cannot even begin to help you. regards Paul From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 16 19:23:45 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 18:23:45 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3985] An empty progress bar remains after POP mail check completes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3985 --- Comment #8 from Shai Berger --- (In reply to comment #7) I do leave messages on the server, it's my way of getting them into multiple devices. Claws Mail is the one which gets to delete them, but only with a few weeks' delay. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From christoph at miedermacher.de Sat Mar 17 00:01:04 2018 From: christoph at miedermacher.de (Christoph Stracke) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 00:01:04 +0100 Subject: [Users] "From"-field in an mail-answer doesn't match with the "To" in the replied mail In-Reply-To: <20180316142259.4d1d8b8f@kujata> References: <20180309160839.4f923d61@aeon.tonga.net> <20180316134154.2b9a159e@bletchley.towers.org.uk> <20180316142259.4d1d8b8f@kujata> Message-ID: <20180317000104.2c333c3e@aeon.tonga.net> Paul schrieb: > The description was hard to make sense of, I found. Okay, another try … ;-) I have several mail-accounts, assuming 1. abc at xyz.xy 2. cde at wxy.xy 3. efg at uvw.xy All mails will be collected from my provider and send to zzz at aaa.xy. From this last account, claws takes the incoming mails. When I answer to a mail then, addressed to (1.), the answer-address is "abc at xyz.xy". When I answer to a mail addressed to (2.), the answer-address will be "cde at wxy.xy" and so on. But when a mail to one of the accounts 1-3 either comes from a mailing list or as a "Bcc", claws will always take zzz at aaa.xy as the answer-address, and I have to change it manually to the correct address every time. When I look into the header (with Ctrl-h), I can see, that the field "envelope-to" contains the correct address (1-3), which should be used as the answer-address, when I answer to this mail. But claws doesn't take the content of "envelope-to" as the answer-address, but instead the content of "delivered-to" (which is always "zzz at aaa.xy" in this case). I hope, that I have described it comprehensible now. If not, please apologize my crude english (I'm not a native speaker …). If you think, it's really a bug: How can I report it? Thank you Christoph -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP URL: From jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org Sat Mar 17 00:43:38 2018 From: jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org (Jeremy Nicoll) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 23:43:38 +0000 Subject: [Users] "From"-field in an mail-answer doesn't match with the "To" in the replied mail In-Reply-To: <20180317000104.2c333c3e@aeon.tonga.net> References: <20180309160839.4f923d61@aeon.tonga.net> <20180316134154.2b9a159e@bletchley.towers.org.uk> <20180316142259.4d1d8b8f@kujata> <20180317000104.2c333c3e@aeon.tonga.net> Message-ID: <1521243818.3794816.1306073952.7A5C7104@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Fri, 16 Mar 2018, at 23:01, Christoph Stracke wrote: > Paul schrieb: > > > The description was hard to make sense of, I found. > > Okay, another try … ;-) > > I have several mail-accounts, assuming > > 1. abc at xyz.xy > 2. cde at wxy.xy > 3. efg at uvw.xy > > All mails will be collected from my provider and send to zzz at aaa.xy. > From this last account, claws takes the incoming mails. > > When I answer to a mail then, addressed to (1.), the answer-address is > "abc at xyz.xy". When I answer to a mail addressed to (2.), the > answer-address will be "cde at wxy.xy" and so on. > > But when a mail to one of the accounts 1-3 either comes from a mailing > list or as a "Bcc", claws will always take zzz at aaa.xy as the > answer-address, and I have to change it manually to the correct address > every time. > > When I look into the header (with Ctrl-h), I can see, that the field > "envelope-to" contains the correct address (1-3), which should be used > as the answer-address, when I answer to this mail. But claws doesn't > take the content of "envelope-to" as the answer-address, but instead > the content of "delivered-to" (which is always "zzz at aaa.xy" in this > case). > > I hope, that I have described it comprehensible now. If not, please > apologize my crude english (I'm not a native speaker …). I don't know the Claws-isms for this (I lurk here because I'm considering starting to use Claws, but don't now). But using either webmail or (in the past other email clients) the way I deal with this is to filter incoming mails which arrive with envelope-to set to eg clawsmail at my.domain to a folder which will only contain that mail-list's traffic. Then I configure that /folder/ so that any reply I send to such a mail goes to the mail- list address. The webmail system(*) then ignores the contents of the incoming mail's headers and does what I told it to do. * except in fastmail's web interface where a bug means this doesn't work properly This does require a webmail system or client that's sufficiently versatile to let one do that. I use separate email addresses for different mail lists etc - currently somewhere between 600 and 900 different addresses, in fact, so there are lots of folders, and lots of work setting it all up. (Not all addresses have their own folders - groups of addresses whose mails I rarely reply to get to share some folders. In those cases I have to pick the reply address I want to use from a drop- down menu. Neither of the webmail systems I use are perfect for this. In the email client I used a few years ago I had filters set to monitor my outgoing mail looking for sender addresses that seemed not to match the sort of place I was sending mail to; that was possible because there are regex-detectable patterns in the outgoing addresses I use.) -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Mar 17 01:06:17 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 00:06:17 +0000 Subject: [Users] "From"-field in an mail-answer doesn't match with the "To" in the replied mail In-Reply-To: <1521243818.3794816.1306073952.7A5C7104@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <20180309160839.4f923d61@aeon.tonga.net> <20180316134154.2b9a159e@bletchley.towers.org.uk> <20180316142259.4d1d8b8f@kujata> <20180317000104.2c333c3e@aeon.tonga.net> <1521243818.3794816.1306073952.7A5C7104@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20180317000617.1f53a5de@kujata> On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 23:43:38 +0000 Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > I don't know the Claws-isms for this (I lurk here because I'm > considering starting to use Claws, but don't now). But using > either webmail or (in the past other email clients) the way I > deal with this is to filter incoming mails which arrive with > envelope-to set to eg clawsmail at my.domain to a folder which > will only contain that mail-list's traffic. Then I configure that > /folder/ so that any reply I send to such a mail goes to the mail- > list address. Normally describing the process of something that is not Claws Mail would be strictly off-topic here but it just so happens that what you describe applies to Claws Mail, using Filtering and folder Properties. with regards Paul From claws.paws at mailmight.com Sat Mar 17 11:58:52 2018 From: claws.paws at mailmight.com (claws.paws at mailmight.com) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:58:52 +0000 Subject: [Users] Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 42 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1521284332.2153329.1306379752.6753BE32@webmail.messagingengine.com> Richard, > > In the headers the things to specifically look at include: > > Delivered-To: > X-Orig-To: > To: > > The "Delivered-To:" value should be the address of the mailbox you > retrieved the message from. The other two addresses, if not the same > as the "Delivered-To", could be indications of addresses that are > aliases/distribution lists/etc. > > There are other bits in the "received" lines, but the above can > generally help to sort out the obvious. Thanks for that - I shall pay attention to those fields. Paul, > I'm still trying to understand what you are trying to describe. > > You said, "The second account keeps receiving messages addressed to > the first", but then said (I think) that you have an IMAP account and> an SMTP-only, but this latter cannot receive mail at all, it's a > send-only account. > > You have not managed to describe your mailboxes or, with any > certainty, what accounts you have. Until you can at least do this, I > cannot even begin to help you. > Urm well here is the set-up using fake addresses: Account 1: george at phonecoop.coop IMAP for RX and SMTP for TX. Account 2: fox at phonecoop.coop IMAP for Rx and SMTP for TX. Account 1 is the default account. SOME messages for 'george' go to 'fox'. They are not duplicates or copies just the original message. I cannot be any clearer than that. Cheers, Paul. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Mar 17 12:08:53 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:08:53 +0000 Subject: [Users] Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 42 In-Reply-To: <1521284332.2153329.1306379752.6753BE32@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1521284332.2153329.1306379752.6753BE32@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20180317110853.148377a7@kujata> On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:58:52 +0000 claws.paws at mailmight.com wrote: > Urm well here is the set-up using fake addresses: > > Account 1: george at phonecoop.coop IMAP for RX and SMTP for TX. > Account 2: fox at phonecoop.coop IMAP for Rx and SMTP for TX. > > Account 1 is the default account. SOME messages for 'george' go to > 'fox'. They are not duplicates or copies just the original message. > I cannot be any clearer than that. Cheers, Paul. That is clearer. Do you have Filters configured in claws-mail? Do you have server-side filters? Is it claws-mail moving some msgs for 'george' to 'fox', or are they are already moved on the server before you receive them with claws-mail? For this last question it should become clear by running `claws-mail --debug` and looking at the debug output during a receive. If you can't make sense of the debug output, then attach the portion of it which shows the complete mail fetching operation and attach it to a msg here. with regards Paul From jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org Sat Mar 17 12:23:50 2018 From: jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org (Jeremy Nicoll) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:23:50 +0000 Subject: [Users] Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 42 In-Reply-To: <1521284332.2153329.1306379752.6753BE32@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1521284332.2153329.1306379752.6753BE32@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1521285830.4085748.1306388624.4FC49D55@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sat, 17 Mar 2018, at 10:58, claws.paws at mailmight.com wrote: > Richard, > > > > > In the headers the things to specifically look at include: > > > > Delivered-To: > > X-Orig-To: > > To: > > > > The "Delivered-To:" value should be the address of the mailbox you > > retrieved the message from. The other two addresses, if not the same > > as the "Delivered-To", could be indications of addresses that are > > aliases/distribution lists/etc. > > > > There are other bits in the "received" lines, but the above can > > generally help to sort out the obvious. > Thanks for that - I shall pay attention to those fields. Be aware that some mail providers use slightly different versions of these, eg "x-delivered-to" rather than "delivered-to". > Urm well here is the set-up using fake addresses: > > Account 1: george at phonecoop.coop IMAP for RX and SMTP for TX. > Account 2: fox at phonecoop.coop IMAP for Rx and SMTP for TX. > > Account 1 is the default account. SOME messages for 'george' go to > 'fox'. They are not duplicates or copies just the original message. > I cannot be any clearer than that. Cheers, Paul. A big problem here is that different mail providers use terms like "account" to mean different things, and indeed use "mailbox" to mean different things. No-one's sure how your provider's system is meant to work let alone how you're using it... Are these addresses provided by the company whose entire mail FAQ is the handful of points listed here: https://www.thephone.coop/help-resources/email-support/ I've just poked around on that site and can't find anything about how to define more than one email address on an account - and I'm using "account" to mean "your single contract with that provider". Nothing eg about "aliases" or "mailboxes" or any aid to using their webmail system, which might give a clue. Have you tried their webmail system? If so to see the mixture of messages do you login to just one place, or do you have to log in to two places? (I mean the same system, but with two sets of userrid/password credentials.) -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. From ticho at claws-mail.org Sat Mar 17 18:19:29 2018 From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 18:19:29 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.16.0-2 for Windows unleashed Message-ID: <20180317181929.583109fb@penny> 17th March 2018 Claws Mail 3.16.0-2 CLAWS MAIL FOR WINDOWS RELEASE NOTES http://www.claws-mail.org/win32 Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast email client. Changes since previous Windows release are: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Fixed crash when saving a draft * Some supporting libraries have been updated to more recent versions: o libtasn1 from 4.12 to 4.13 o nettle from 3.3 to 3.4 o gnutls from 3.5.9 to 3.5.18 o expat from 2.2.0 to 2.2.5 o curl from 7.57.0 to 7.59.0 o libxml2 from 2.9.4 to 2.9.7 o libxslt from 1.1.29 to 1.1.32 o glib from 2.54.2 to 2.54.3 o gtk+ from 2.24.31 to 2.24.32 o atk from 2.20.0 to 2.26.1 o glib-networking from 2.50.0 to 2.54.1 o libsoup from 2.58.1 to 2.60.3 o webkitgtk from 2.3.5a to 2.4.11 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Sat Mar 17 19:29:50 2018 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 18:29:50 +0000 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.16.0-2 for Windows unleashed In-Reply-To: <20180317181929.583109fb@penny> References: <20180317181929.583109fb@penny> Message-ID: <20180317192950.00007949@prost.fenrir.org.uk> On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 18:19:29 +0100 Andrej Kacian wrote: > 17th March 2018 Claws Mail > 3.16.0-2 CLAWS MAIL FOR WINDOWS RELEASE NOTES > http://www.claws-mail.org/win32 > > Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast > email client. > > Changes since previous Windows release are: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > * Fixed crash when saving a draft > * Some supporting libraries have been updated to more recent > versions: > o libtasn1 from 4.12 to 4.13 > o nettle from 3.3 to 3.4 > o gnutls from 3.5.9 to 3.5.18 > o expat from 2.2.0 to 2.2.5 > o curl from 7.57.0 to 7.59.0 > o libxml2 from 2.9.4 to 2.9.7 > o libxslt from 1.1.29 to 1.1.32 > o glib from 2.54.2 to 2.54.3 > o gtk+ from 2.24.31 to 2.24.32 > o atk from 2.20.0 to 2.26.1 > o glib-networking from 2.50.0 to 2.54.1 > o libsoup from 2.58.1 to 2.60.3 > o webkitgtk from 2.3.5a to 2.4.11 > Thanks Andrej, will install, test and report back on this if anything shows up or if it just works :) Much appreciated. -- Brian From removed-gdpr at example.com Sat Mar 17 23:54:01 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 00:54:01 +0200 Subject: [Users] Menu for editing processing rules Message-ID: Hi, I see Configuration->Pre/Post-processing but I can't find any explicit menu for only Processing (without Pre/Post). The only way to edit a processing rule which I have found is to right click on a message. Is there any menu which I simply don't see? -- George From removed-gdpr at example.com Sat Mar 17 23:54:11 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 00:54:11 +0200 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) Message-ID: I understand that pre-processing rules run before processing ones and post-processing ones after. However it is unclear to me what is the purpose of having pre and post at all. In other words: Why only processing itself may be insufficient and in what situations could one benefit by having the additional functionality of pre/post-processing? -- George From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 18 00:17:36 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:17:36 +0200 Subject: [Users] Seeing subscription status of folders Message-ID: Is there a way to see which folders one has subscribed to and which not when looking at the full list of folders? -- George From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Sun Mar 18 02:49:09 2018 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:49:09 +0000 Subject: [Users] Menu for editing processing rules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180318014909.5679d726@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 00:54:01 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > Hi, > > I see Configuration->Pre/Post-processing but I can't find any explicit > menu for only Processing (without Pre/Post). The only way to edit a > processing rule which I have found is to right click on a message. > > Is there any menu which I simply don't see? Right click on a folder to get to per-folder processing rules. -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Sun Mar 18 02:50:34 2018 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:50:34 +0000 Subject: [Users] Seeing subscription status of folders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180318015034.41d1dab6@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:17:36 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > Is there a way to see which folders one has subscribed to and which not > when looking at the full list of folders? > Right click on mailbox or folders, there is a checkbox for see only subscribed folders. -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 18 09:44:56 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 10:44:56 +0200 Subject: [Users] Menu for editing processing rules In-Reply-To: <20180318014909.5679d726@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20180318014909.5679d726@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:49:09 +0000 Brian Morrison wrote: > Right click on a folder to get to per-folder processing rules. Thanks! -- George From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 18 09:45:07 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 10:45:07 +0200 Subject: [Users] Seeing subscription status of folders In-Reply-To: <20180318015034.41d1dab6@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20180318015034.41d1dab6@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:50:34 +0000 Brian Morrison wrote: > Right click on mailbox or folders, there is a checkbox for see only > subscribed folders. I know that but with many folders it takes such clicks and there is still room for mistakes. So I am not looking to merely toggle visibility of subscribed folders but to see a full list of folders with some indicator (e.g. a checkbox) next to each one indicating its status. Is that possible? (Evolution has similar functionality) -- George From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Mar 18 11:25:50 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 10:25:50 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3982] tagsdb subdirectory keeps data for deleted IMAP folders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3982 --- Comment #1 from Removed after GDPR request --- I just noticed that folderitemrc also keeps data for deleted folders. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From kk3ith at yahoo.it Sun Mar 18 12:14:19 2018 From: kk3ith at yahoo.it (kk3ith at yahoo.it) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 12:14:19 +0100 Subject: [Users] Set a different automatic time check for every account Message-ID: <2018318121419.598872@user1-0fd48ef96> Hi, is there the way to set a diffent automatic time check of new mails for every single account in Claws Mail? I use Windows XP. From myetto1 at nycap.rr.com Sun Mar 18 16:57:56 2018 From: myetto1 at nycap.rr.com (Michael A. Yetto) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 11:57:56 -0400 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180318115756.39ace30a@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 00:54:11 +0200 Removed GDPR writes, and having writ moves on: >I understand that pre-processing rules run before processing ones and >post-processing ones after. However it is unclear to me what is the >purpose of having pre and post at all. In other words: Why only >processing itself may be insufficient and in what situations could one >benefit by having the additional functionality of pre/post-processing? Some users other than yourself process their mail in ways that having some rules run on all folders first, some run only on specific folders, and others run on all folders last is an efficient way to handle the mail. In other words, there are features that you don't need, but others find very useful. Mike Yetto -- "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts." - Arthur Conan Doyle -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 18 17:30:16 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 18:30:16 +0200 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: <20180318115756.39ace30a@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> References: <20180318115756.39ace30a@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 11:57:56 -0400 Michael A. Yetto wrote: > In other words, there are features that you don't need, but others > find very useful. I am sure they do, that's why I am asking and willing to learn more about the workflows these features are aimed to facilitate. So it would be very helpful if you can give examples and/or explain a little more. -- George From claws.paws at mailmight.com Sun Mar 18 19:51:58 2018 From: claws.paws at mailmight.com (claws.paws at mailmight.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 18:51:58 +0000 Subject: [Users] Messages going to wrong account - cont'd - Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 44 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1521399118.287428.1307370216.2AB9F6A4@webmail.messagingengine.com> Paul, > claws.paws at mailmight.com wrote: > >> Urm well here is the set-up using fake addresses: >> >> Account 1: george at phonecoop.coop IMAP for RX and SMTP for TX. >> Account 2: fox at phonecoop.coop IMAP for Rx and SMTP for TX. >> >> Account 1 is the default account. SOME messages for 'george' go to >> 'fox'. They are not duplicates or copies just the original message. >> I cannot be any clearer than that. Cheers, Paul. > > That is clearer. > > Do you have Filters configured in claws-mail? No > Do you have server-side filters? No > Is it claws-mail moving some msgs for 'george' to 'fox', or are they > are already moved on the server before you receive them with > claws-mail? Arh that is a question I cannot anwser. I am assuming Claws is moving them as the Service provider said it was not the server(!).> > For this last question it should become clear by running `claws-mail > --debug` and looking at the debug output during a receive. If you > can't make sense of the debug output, then attach the portion of it > which shows the complete mail fetching operation and attach it to a > msg here. Right I shall do that. Please allow me some time to revert - getting rather busy at the moment.Thanks & Regards, Paul. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am assuming Claws is > moving them as the Service provider said it was not the server(!).> Claws Mail won't do that if you don't ask for it to happen. with regards Paul From jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org Sun Mar 18 20:23:32 2018 From: jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org (Jeremy Nicoll) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 19:23:32 +0000 Subject: [Users] Messages going to wrong account - cont'd - Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 44 In-Reply-To: <1521399118.287428.1307370216.2AB9F6A4@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1521399118.287428.1307370216.2AB9F6A4@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1521401012.1708261.1307388472.02A268F8@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018, at 18:51, claws.paws at mailmight.com wrote: > Paul, > > > claws.paws at mailmight.com wrote: > > Is it claws-mail moving some msgs for 'george' to 'fox', or are they > > are already moved on the server before you receive them with > > claws-mail? > Arh that is a question I cannot anwser. I am assuming Claws is moving > them as the Service provider said it was not the server(!). What you should do is log-in to your provider's webmail system and see what messages are in what folders. Don't run Claws while you do this. If messages are gooing astray with Claws not being involved you'll know it's not Claws. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. From myetto1 at nycap.rr.com Sun Mar 18 20:41:27 2018 From: myetto1 at nycap.rr.com (Michael A. Yetto) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 15:41:27 -0400 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: References: <20180318115756.39ace30a@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> Message-ID: <20180318154127.42790e99@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 18:30:16 +0200 Removed GDPR writes, and having writ moves on: >On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 11:57:56 -0400 Michael A. Yetto wrote: > >> In other words, there are features that you don't need, but others >> find very useful. > >I am sure they do, that's why I am asking and willing to learn more >about the workflows these features are aimed to facilitate. So it >would be very helpful if you can give examples and/or explain a little >more. > It would be even better if you would put in as much effort to learn this program on your own as you want others to put in teaching you. The more common way of expressing this is. "Do your own homework." Mike Yetto -- "The capacity to blunder slightly is the real marvel of DNA. Without this special attribute, we would still be anaerobic bacteria and there would be no music." - Lewis Thomas -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com Sun Mar 18 20:48:44 2018 From: de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com (JT) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 15:48:44 -0400 Subject: [Users] Messages going to wrong account - cont'd - Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 44 In-Reply-To: <1521399118.287428.1307370216.2AB9F6A4@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1521399118.287428.1307370216.2AB9F6A4@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <5aaec2c7.0744c80a.1f88b.abf2@mx.google.com> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 18:51:58 +0000 claws.paws at mailmight.com wrote: >> Do you have Filters configured in claws-mail? >No >> Do you have server-side filters? >No >> Is it claws-mail moving some msgs for 'george' to 'fox', or are they >> are already moved on the server before you receive them with >> claws-mail? >Arh that is a question I cannot anwser. I am assuming Claws is moving >them as the Service provider said it was not the server(!).> Enable the filtering/processing log and it will tell you if Claws is moving them. Preferences-Other-logging -- JT From removed-gdpr at example.com Sun Mar 18 22:05:10 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 23:05:10 +0200 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: <20180318154127.42790e99@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> References: <20180318115756.39ace30a@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <20180318154127.42790e99@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 15:41:27 -0400 Michael A. Yetto wrote: > It would be even better if you would put in as much effort to learn > this program on your own as you want others to put in teaching you. > > The more common way of expressing this is. "Do your own homework." Mike, just because one is asking a question doesn't mean one expects some tremendous effort from others or that one has not searched and experimented. FYI I have read the full manual and it does not answer the particular question I am putting here. -- George From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Mar 18 22:34:13 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 21:34:13 +0000 Subject: [Users] Messages going to wrong account - cont'd - Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 44 In-Reply-To: <5aaec2c7.0744c80a.1f88b.abf2@mx.google.com> References: <1521399118.287428.1307370216.2AB9F6A4@webmail.messagingengine.com> <5aaec2c7.0744c80a.1f88b.abf2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20180318213413.46123211@kujata> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 15:48:44 -0400 JT wrote: > Enable the filtering/processing log and it will tell you if Claws is > moving them. Preferences-Other-logging But it was already stated that filtering is not being used. with regards Paul From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Mar 18 22:37:47 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 21:37:47 +0000 Subject: [Users] Messages going to wrong account - cont'd - Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 44 In-Reply-To: <1521401012.1708261.1307388472.02A268F8@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1521399118.287428.1307370216.2AB9F6A4@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1521401012.1708261.1307388472.02A268F8@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20180318213747.19fa5ff9@kujata> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 19:23:32 +0000 Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > What you should do is log-in to your provider's webmail system and > see what messages are in what folders. Don't run Claws while you > do this. If messages are gooing astray with Claws not being > involved you'll know it's not Claws. I don't understand why there are so many apparently different, almost contradictory responses with different ideas of how to get to the bottom of this. The claws-mail debug output should be enough to understand what is happening here, as I said. Or at least, to confirm whether it is or is not claws-mail (with some user settings) which is causing this perceived behaviour. with regards Paul From dave at howorth.org.uk Sun Mar 18 22:43:46 2018 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 21:43:46 +0000 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: References: <20180318115756.39ace30a@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <20180318154127.42790e99@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> Message-ID: <20180318214346.427a2520@acer-suse.lan> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 23:05:10 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 15:41:27 -0400 Michael A. Yetto wrote: > > > It would be even better if you would put in as much effort to learn > > this program on your own as you want others to put in teaching you. > > > > The more common way of expressing this is. "Do your own homework." > > Mike, just because one is asking a question doesn't mean one expects > some tremendous effort from others or that one has not searched and > experimented. FYI I have read the full manual and it does not answer > the particular question I am putting here. George, just because one asks a question implies one expects somebody else to put effort into answering that question. In return it's a reasonable expectation that the questioner will say upfront what research and experimentation they have already done to answer the question, to avoid the responder having to repeat such information, and to explain why they want the question answered so the responder can estimate how much effort it's worth spending to answer the question. In your case, you didn't do any of those things and upon prompting, you made us aware that you're aware of research and of experimentation, but only told us about your research, and nothing about experimentation or what your needs actually are, apart from curiosity. So full marks to Mike for trying to help. From jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org Sun Mar 18 23:02:57 2018 From: jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org (Jeremy Nicoll) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 22:02:57 +0000 Subject: [Users] Messages going to wrong account - cont'd - Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 44 In-Reply-To: <20180318213747.19fa5ff9@kujata> References: <1521399118.287428.1307370216.2AB9F6A4@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1521401012.1708261.1307388472.02A268F8@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180318213747.19fa5ff9@kujata> Message-ID: <1521410577.1770323.1307492664.5727E291@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018, at 21:37, Paul wrote: > The claws-mail debug output should be enough to understand what is > happening here, as I said. Or at least, to confirm whether it is or > is not claws-mail (with some user settings) which is causing this > perceived behaviour. I dare say, but the OP doesn't seem very clued-up about how things work, and I might not plough through the debug output, or put the effort in to understand what it shows. Looking at what's on the provider's server using a differnt interface (and sending test messages to see what happens to them - which I guess they might not be able to do) might be easier - never mind the details just test the effects. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. From de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 00:12:13 2018 From: de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com (de3uca1li0onn at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 19:12:13 -0400 Subject: [Users] Messages going to wrong account - cont'd - Re: Users Digest, Vol 79, Issue 44 In-Reply-To: <20180318213413.46123211@kujata> References: <1521399118.287428.1307370216.2AB9F6A4@webmail.messagingengine.com> <5aaec2c7.0744c80a.1f88b.abf2@mx.google.com> <20180318213413.46123211@kujata> Message-ID: <5aaef25c.0e30c80a.1b0df.0457@mx.google.com> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 21:34:13 +0000 claws at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: >On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 15:48:44 -0400 >JT wrote: > >> Enable the filtering/processing log and it will tell you if Claws is >> moving them. Preferences-Other-logging > >But it was already stated that filtering is not being used. > You are assuming he knows how to check if there are filters. I don't presume that. Based on some of his comments, I'm not convinced he even knows that Claws is only displaying what is on the IMAP server(s) or that there is a difference between local and server folders or that his answers are the result of research. But you are right in that he should create a debug log. -- John From removed-gdpr at example.com Mon Mar 19 00:36:56 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 01:36:56 +0200 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: <20180318214346.427a2520@acer-suse.lan> References: <20180318115756.39ace30a@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <20180318154127.42790e99@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <20180318214346.427a2520@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 21:43:46 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote: > In return it's a reasonable expectation that the questioner will say > upfront what research and experimentation they have already done to > answer the question After reading the manual and before asking here I have searched the web for the intended use of pre/post processing and I have found no useful answers. I have also done a simple test with pre-processing to apply a color to messages based on a header. Still this experimentation does not really answer the question as it reveals nothing about the intended workflow, what rules should go into filtering, what in pre/post/processing and in what situations all this is aimed to be used. -- George From myetto1 at nycap.rr.com Mon Mar 19 01:45:58 2018 From: myetto1 at nycap.rr.com (Michael A. Yetto) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 20:45:58 -0400 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: References: <20180318115756.39ace30a@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <20180318154127.42790e99@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> Message-ID: <20180318204558.404c1db9@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 23:05:10 +0200 Removed GDPR writes, and having writ moves on: >On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 15:41:27 -0400 Michael A. Yetto wrote: > >> It would be even better if you would put in as much effort to learn >> this program on your own as you want others to put in teaching you. >> >> The more common way of expressing this is. "Do your own homework." > >Mike, just because one is asking a question doesn't mean one expects >some tremendous effort from others or that one has not searched and >experimented. FYI I have read the full manual and it does not answer >the particular question I am putting here. > Rather than asking people here to try things for you to see what happens, do it yourself. Try making filters, observe what happens, thing about what you found, try again. Then ask here when you have spent some time doing your own homework and if anyone is still willing to donate you might get some help. Mike Yetto -- "Cognitive psychology tells us that the unaided human mind is vulnerable to many fallacies and illusions because of its reliance on its memory for vivid anecdotes rather than systematic statistics." - Steven Pinker -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From myetto1 at nycap.rr.com Mon Mar 19 01:51:09 2018 From: myetto1 at nycap.rr.com (Michael A. Yetto) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 20:51:09 -0400 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: References: <20180318115756.39ace30a@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <20180318154127.42790e99@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <20180318214346.427a2520@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20180318205109.58e1f6cf@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 01:36:56 +0200 Removed GDPR writes, and having writ moves on: >On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 21:43:46 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote: > >> In return it's a reasonable expectation that the questioner will say >> upfront what research and experimentation they have already done to >> answer the question > >After reading the manual and before asking here I have searched the web >for the intended use of pre/post processing and I have found no >useful answers. I have also done a simple test with pre-processing to >apply a color to messages based on a header. Still this experimentation >does not really answer the question as it reveals nothing about the >intended workflow, what rules should go into filtering, what in >pre/post/processing and in what situations all this is aimed to be >used. > The rules and work flow that go into my filters and processes are those that accomplish *my goals*. Your rules and work flow should be based on your needs and goals. That is self-evident enough that no one will bother supply that answer unless pestered mercilessly on Usenet or a mailing list. Mike Yetto -- "You look at science (or at least talk of it) as some sort of demoralising invention of man, something apart from real life, and which must be cautiously guarded and kept separate from everyday existence. But science and everyday life cannot and should not be separated." — Rosalind Franklin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From pf at pfortin.com Mon Mar 19 03:09:35 2018 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 22:09:35 -0400 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180318220935.1cf21acf@pfortin.com> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 00:54:11 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: >I understand that pre-processing rules run before processing ones and >post-processing ones after. However it is unclear to me what is the >purpose of having pre and post at all. In other words: Why only >processing itself may be insufficient and in what situations could one >benefit by having the additional functionality of pre/post-processing? If it helps... I've been a SC/CM user since 2001 -- have over 300 filter rules (a few of which I shared with you the other day); over 600 folders. Some rules, when faxing was more in vogue, invoked scripts to extract and archive the fax images. Yet, never created a {pre,post}-processing rule. From removed-gdpr at example.com Mon Mar 19 03:19:04 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 04:19:04 +0200 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: <20180318220935.1cf21acf@pfortin.com> References: <20180318220935.1cf21acf@pfortin.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 22:09:35 -0400 Pierre Fortin wrote: > If it helps... Thanks Pierre. Yes, it helps to know. BTW I found that duplicating the filter you shared earlier (called "Self") in a pre-processing rule makes the idea of having it even more useful. -- George From littlergirl at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 03:31:44 2018 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 22:31:44 -0400 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: References: <20180318115756.39ace30a@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <20180318154127.42790e99@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <20180318214346.427a2520@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <5aaf2162.10ab370a.e9c93.9be6@mx.google.com> Hey there, Removed GDPR wrote: > After reading the manual and before asking here I have searched the > web for the intended use of pre/post processing and I have found no > useful answers. I have also done a simple test with pre-processing > to apply a color to messages based on a header. Still this > experimentation does not really answer the question as it reveals > nothing about the intended workflow, what rules should go into > filtering, what in pre/post/processing and in what situations all > this is aimed to be used. If you click "Configuration" in the upper menu and then click "Pre-processing..." in the submenu, the title of the window that opens is "Processing rules to apply before folder rules". If you right-click a folder and click "Processing..." in the context menu, the title of the window that opens is "Processing configuration for folder #mh/Mailbox/Something (with "Something" being the name of the folder you right-clicked. If you click "Configuration" in the upper menu and then click "Post-processing..." in the submenu, the title of the window that opens is "Processing rules to apply after folder rules". From those, you can see that there's an order in which the rules are applied, which gives you specific control over what happens when and where, also making it possible for you to set rules to override rules that have previously been set by other filters (for example, coloring a certain type of message red when it arrives in the inbox by using pre-processing and then coloring it green when it's put into another folder by using folder processing). There's probably quite a bit more to it than that, but it's my basic understanding of how they work. I've never gotten so fancy with my filters, just making everything a pre-processing rule. I might want to look into mixing things up a bit by taking advantage of the power provided by these three different ways of coming at the filtering of messages. Thanks for bringing this up. -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From removed-gdpr at example.com Mon Mar 19 11:47:07 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 12:47:07 +0200 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: <5aaf2162.10ab370a.e9c93.9be6@mx.google.com> References: <20180318115756.39ace30a@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <20180318154127.42790e99@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <20180318214346.427a2520@acer-suse.lan> <5aaf2162.10ab370a.e9c93.9be6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 22:31:44 -0400 Little Girl wrote: > From those, you can see that there's an order in which the rules are > applied [...] Yes, I understand how it works but thanks for taking the time to summarize. > There's probably quite a bit more to it than that [...] That's I am trying to find out too as obviously some significant thought and time has been put into it. -- George From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Mon Mar 19 20:39:49 2018 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:39:49 -0600 Subject: [Users] Tags? Message-ID: <20180319133949.66e9459f@hawk.localdomain> Is there any way to get a list of emails with a given tag? -- A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within. The essential causes of Rome's decline lay in her people, her morals, her class struggle, her failing trade, her bureaucratic despotism, her stifling taxes, her consuming wars. -- Will and Ariel Durant, III The Story of Civilization (1944) epilogue From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Mon Mar 19 20:54:26 2018 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:54:26 -0600 Subject: [Users] Tags? In-Reply-To: <20180319133949.66e9459f@hawk.localdomain> References: <20180319133949.66e9459f@hawk.localdomain> Message-ID: <20180319135426.57ccfcba@hawk.localdomain> On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:39:49 -0600 Charles Curley wrote: > Is there any way to get a list of emails with a given tag? Sorry, I should be clearer. A global list, across all directories and accounts. -- A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within. The essential causes of Rome's decline lay in her people, her morals, her class struggle, her failing trade, her bureaucratic despotism, her stifling taxes, her consuming wars. -- Will and Ariel Durant, III The Story of Civilization (1944) epilogue From littlergirl at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 00:01:10 2018 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 19:01:10 -0400 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: References: <20180318115756.39ace30a@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <20180318154127.42790e99@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <20180318214346.427a2520@acer-suse.lan> <5aaf2162.10ab370a.e9c93.9be6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5ab04147.84d1370a.38b97.6243@mx.google.com> Hey there, Removed GDPR wrote: > On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 22:31:44 -0400 Little Girl wrote: > > From those, you can see that there's an order in which the rules > > are applied [...] > Yes, I understand how it works but thanks for taking the time to > summarize. Sorry about that. > > There's probably quite a bit more to it than that [...] > That's I am trying to find out too as obviously some significant > thought and time has been put into it. Yeah, I had quite a bit of trouble coming up with examples, because anything I could think of that could be done with a combination of pre and folder and post filters can probably be done with just one of them. There must be filters that require the fine timing those offer, though. Maybe someone who requires them will jump in and give a solid example of when they're necessary. I probably use filters incorrectly (or at least not quite as intended) since I just use the pre filter for everything and filter all my messages globally. -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Mar 19 23:22:10 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 22:22:10 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3990] New: Deleted address books remain as .bak files Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3990 Bug ID: 3990 Summary: Deleted address books remain as .bak files Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Other Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com Deleting address books does not remove them from the file system but they remain as files creating clutter on file system: ~/.claws-mail/addrbook/addrbook-000003.xml.bak ~/.claws-mail/addrbook/addrbook-000004.xml.bak ~/.claws-mail/addrbook/addrbook-000005.xml.bak ~/.claws-mail/addrbook/addrbook-000006.xml.bak -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Mar 19 23:30:54 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 22:30:54 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3991] New: Deleting news subscription preserves its newscache subfolder Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3991 Bug ID: 3991 Summary: Deleting news subscription preserves its newscache subfolder Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: NNTP Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com Deleting news subscription preserves its ~/.claws-mail/newscache/ which (in my case) contains only one empty file .newsgroup_list. Still it would be correct not to pile up alienated items on file system regardless of their size. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Mar 19 23:42:27 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 22:42:27 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3992] New: folderitemrc keeps stale data for deleted/renamed folders/accounts Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3992 Bug ID: 3992 Summary: folderitemrc keeps stale data for deleted/renamed folders/accounts Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Folders Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com STR: 1. Rename an IMAP account or reorganize/rename folders EXPECTED: ~/.claws-mail/folderitemrc should update accordingly, removing entries for non-existing items ACTUAL: It piles up new data keeping the old. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From jimmy.patch at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 01:45:32 2018 From: jimmy.patch at gmail.com (Jim Pachowski) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 06:15:32 +0530 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I understand that pre-processing rules run before processing ones and > post-processing ones after. However it is unclear to me what is the > purpose of having pre and post at all. Mainly for organisation & ease. > In other words: Why only processing itself may be insufficient > and in what situations could one benefit by having the additional > functionality of pre/post-processing? Pre & Post run on every folder, every time you open a folder. Folder processing only runs on that specific folder. Example 1: I want all my emails that I have replied to, moved to my "Archive" folder. Option 1: I set up that processing rule in ALL folders individually. Option 2: I set up a pre or post-processing rule. Voila! Example 2: I want all emails addressed to me that I have not replied to, marked in orange when they are 2 days old, red when they are 4 days old. Option 1: I set up that processing rule in ALL folders individually. Option 2: I set up a pre or post-processing rule. Voila! Now you will wonder what is the point in having pre AND post if either can be used. Well, those were basic examples. Here is something based on what I use (my rules are more complex): Example 3 [ADVANCED]: All emails with me in TO or CC, not replied to, older than 2 days marked red & set flag (makes navigation easy), but for claws-mailing list, only older than 5 days marked red & flagged, and any red that are replied to anywhere, set to normal & moved to my archive folder segregated by quarters (18q1, 18q2, etc.). pre-processing (all folders): to or CC has me and age is more than 2 that I have not replied yet, mark it red & set flag claws-mailing list only processing: red and age less than 5, clear red & flag. post-processing (all folders): red & replied to, clear red & flag, then move to current archive (one place sets target for ALL folders). Now while you may question me on why I do mail like that, the fact is that I do and the bigger fact is that tthere is no way that level of complexity can be achieved sanely and in so few steps across my entire folder tree without pre-folder-post processing. - JP From codejodler at gmx.ch Tue Mar 20 02:28:40 2018 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 02:28:40 +0100 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180320022840.395d46cd@gandalf.lan3> Now this is an answer, right. (maybe add it to the manual) ___ As a sidenote, couldn't claws spare one menu entry when pre/post becomes a checkbox column in the configurator ? From removed-gdpr at example.com Tue Mar 20 02:47:14 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 03:47:14 +0200 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 06:15:32 +0530 Jim Pachowski wrote: > [excellent examples] Thanks Jim! That's exactly an answer which gives good info. I was looking for something similar to your example 3 but for manipulating whole threads based on the newest message in the thread instead of individual messages. Do you think that's possible considering that Gmail always puts what one sends in "Sent mail" and thus splits the thread (which needs additional manual or automated processing etc)? Also how do you select messages you have (not) replied to? By using 'replied' in CM rules or something else? -- George From colin at colino.net Tue Mar 20 09:06:49 2018 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 09:06:49 +0100 Subject: [Users] Tags? In-Reply-To: <20180319135426.57ccfcba@hawk.localdomain> References: <20180319133949.66e9459f@hawk.localdomain> <20180319135426.57ccfcba@hawk.localdomain> Message-ID: <20180320090649.2b729680@colin.i-run.lau> On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:54:26 -0600, Charles Curley wrote: Hi, > > Is there any way to get a list of emails with a given tag? > > Sorry, I should be clearer. A global list, across all directories and > accounts. Across one mailbox, it's possible, using Quicksearch (below the email list) in recursive mode and either Tag or Extended search, if you start the search in the top-level folder. -- Colin From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 20 00:25:04 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 23:25:04 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] New: Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 Bug ID: 3993 Summary: Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Other Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com Created attachment 1858 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1858&action=edit network log exceprt I noticed that CM starts very slowly during the last few runs. So I tried to find out why. It turns out that the slowdown was due to a connection it attempts. ** IMAP error on imap.mail.yahoo.com: stream error ** IMAP connection broken [01:00:20] IMAP< Error logging in to imap.mail.yahoo.com (the error was temporary and server side) Investigating further: STR: 1. Add an IMAP account (tested with GMAIL one) 'Get Mail' checks for new messages on this account = enabled. 2. Add another IMAP account (tested with YAHOO one) 'Get Mail' checks for new messages on this account = disabled. 3. 'Check for new mail on start-up' = disabled. 4. Quit CM leaving the selected folder to be some of the folders of the first account 5. Restart CM EXPECTED: Connection only to the Gmail account. ACTUAL: Network log shows that CM logs in the Yahoo account too (see attachment). Seems to happen only with IMAP accounts (not with POP3). Additional note (can be filed in a separate bug if needed): The program windows does not to show up if there is some slow down in connectivity (as explained in the beginning). This is incorrect behavior: The main window must show regardless of network problems. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 20 02:16:48 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 01:16:48 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3992] folderitemrc keeps stale data for deleted/renamed folders/accounts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3992 --- Comment #1 from codejodler at gmx.ch --- I looked up my own claws (Debian Linux, all updated to 'testing' = Sid) and found my folderitemrc is nearly 2 Mb, with entries dating back to at least 2003. I create / rename / delete again folders very often, with every new project, and also use arbitrary mail IDs, both of which can be confidental. When i deleted this stuff, i thought it's gne for good now, with no traces except maybe on some unkown server logs. I maintain some 100 folders or so, but the file contaied probably in the thousands. Because i chose 'telling' folder names, it represents kind of a history of all my mail activities over the past 15 years. I just deleted the file, including the bak, right away, but now i need to reconfigure all those 'default account' settings, and colors, and templates. Which i leaned on a lot. I know that special privacy requires special measurements, which i are willing to do only to some limited degree. The point is that i don't like the idea of my mail history (obsolete IDs and folder names) 'archived' in one central place (which is claws in my harddisk), not because i've got so much to hide, but rather by principle; and yes, i fear some kind of trojan sniffer or local attacker. In a nutshell, it means i can not trust claws. Please think about a fix. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 20 03:05:52 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 02:05:52 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3992] folderitemrc keeps stale data for deleted/renamed folders/accounts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3992 --- Comment #2 from Removed after GDPR request --- Michael, you may want to check bug#3982 as it has the same privacy implications which you may want to clean up. *.bak and *_history files could also be considered a privacy issue and IMO there should be an option to either not create them or automatically delete them (in case the program closes normally without crash). Otherwise one could manually link them to /dev/null but that is rather an overkill and may not work properly. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From ricardo at mones.org Tue Mar 20 11:11:46 2018 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 11:11:46 +0100 Subject: [Users] deeply indented threads In-Reply-To: <20180315202529.4cb79390@acer-suse.lan> References: <20171031121435.6b51f502@acer-suse.lan> <20180315192928.455a3bd3@kujata> <20180315202529.4cb79390@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20180320101146.tmoda5ihcczamoun@busgosu> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 08:25:29PM +0000, Dave Howorth wrote: > On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:29:28 +0000 > Paul wrote: > > > On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:14:35 +0000 > > Dave Howorth wrote: > > > > > For most of my folders, I use threaded display. In some - I'm > > > thinking of one particular mailing list at the moment - threads > > > sometimes get quite deep, with the result that the Subject moves > > > ever rightwards and disappears entirely. > > > > Quite a belated answer, not sure what reminded me of your question... > > Anyway, there is a hidden pref 'enable_hscrollbar' which adds a > > horizontal scrollbar to the message list. It's on by default, I guess > > you turned it off at some point. > > Thanks for the reply. I have that scrollbar enabled: > > clawsrc:enable_hscrollbar=1 > > But that only applies if the widths of the columns on display are > greater than the width available in the window. That's not my problem. > I have the widths set as I want them for normal use; it's what happens > in exceptionally deep threads that is my issue. > > A possible solution might be allowing me to nominate the Subject > column to be expanded instead of the Size column (which happens to be > rightmost) when I maximise the claws window. That's only a workaround which lasts until the thread grows big enough to escape the subject column width on a maximised window. The solution is to stop indenting when sufficient depth is reached (IIRC like mutt does). The depth can be simply user configured or perhaps automatically computed based on widget width, though this probably requires some extra care to avoid unpleasant results. Feel free to add a RFE to bugzilla ;-) regards, -- Ricardo Mones ~ Don't take the name of root in vain. /usr/src/linux/README -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: not available URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 20 11:27:58 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:27:58 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 --- Comment #1 from Paul --- your attached extracts from the netwok log are too brief. Start with `claws-mail --debug` and attach the debug output. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Tue Mar 20 12:17:20 2018 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 11:17:20 +0000 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: <20180320022840.395d46cd@gandalf.lan3> References: <20180320022840.395d46cd@gandalf.lan3> Message-ID: <20180320121720.0000767d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 02:28:40 +0100 Michael wrote: > Now this is an answer, right. > > (maybe add it to the manual) If you want it in there then you can add it to the manual yourself locally and then create a diff and provide the patch to the devs. Free software works this way, people are expected to support it with some effort that then benefits everyone. You can also contribute to the tip jar and buy the devs some beer. -- Brian Morrison From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 20 13:06:00 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 12:06:00 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 --- Comment #2 from Removed after GDPR request --- Created attachment 1859 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1859&action=edit debug.txt Well, it still illustrates the fact that an unrequested connection is made. Anyway I am attaching a more detailed excerpt. It shows that a whole 1 minute is lost in attempting this connection. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 20 13:18:13 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 12:18:13 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 --- Comment #3 from Paul --- Even this longer debug output is chopped too much. It shows a connection is made, yes, but it doesn't show that this was an unrequested connection. What is the output of grep -n receive_at ~/.claws-mail/accountrc -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 20 13:21:22 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 12:21:22 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 --- Comment #4 from Paul --- What your debug.txt does suggest is that you are selecting one of the folders within your yahoo imap mailbox. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 20 13:26:26 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 12:26:26 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 --- Comment #5 from Removed after GDPR request --- Of course it will be chopped. You are asking for a debug of a login process, so I am careful not to publish any secure info. [~]: grep -n receive_at ~/.claws-mail/accountrc 27:receive_at_get_all=1 133:receive_at_get_all=0 239:receive_at_get_all=1 345:receive_at_get_all=0 451:receive_at_get_all=0 557:receive_at_get_all=0 663:receive_at_get_all=0 None of these 2 enabled accounts are Yahoo accounts. The first one (27) is an IMAP account, the other one (239) is a POP account. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 20 13:28:24 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 12:28:24 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 --- Comment #6 from Removed after GDPR request --- > What your debug.txt does suggest is that you are selecting one of the folders within your yahoo imap mailbox. That is not true. The Yahoo account folders are completely collapsed under their root (account level) folder and the selected folder is one of the folders in the active ('get mail' enabled) IMAP account. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 20 14:20:11 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 13:20:11 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 --- Comment #7 from Paul --- If you provided the complete debug output - which you can send privately, if you want - then it may become more apparent what is happening. What I can say is that the behaviour you describe has never been reported by anyone else and is not repducible. This suggests the root cause is your local set up and configuration choices. The more information you can give the more likely a cause, be it a bug or not, can be found. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 20 14:47:11 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 13:47:11 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 --- Comment #8 from Removed after GDPR request --- Which part of the STR is not reproducible? The full debug output was 3.8Mb txt revealing all my IMAP folder structures, particular message counts and all kinds of other private info. There is no way to send this to anyone - even privately. It is not even necessary as it has nothing to do with the bug report. That's why I have extracted just the part which reveals the actual connection and the startup slowdown it results in. I hope you understand, so if you need further info please advise how to provide what you actually need, not just "complete debug log". -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 20 15:18:44 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 14:18:44 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 --- Comment #9 from Paul --- (In reply to comment #8) > Which part of the STR is not reproducible? "Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not" > The full debug output was 3.8Mb txt revealing all my IMAP folder structures, > particular message counts and all kinds of other private info. There is no > way to send this to anyone - even privately. Nothing very private would be be revealed, including your passwords. > It is not even necessary as it > has nothing to do with the bug report. If you know best then there's nothing further I can do here. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 20 17:02:36 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:02:36 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 --- Comment #10 from Andrej Kacian --- How does "last_opened_folder" line look in your ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc ? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 20 17:46:56 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:46:56 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 --- Comment #11 from Removed after GDPR request --- Created attachment 1860 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1860&action=edit screenshot Paul, the way you reply is telling me that either you are using different software version or you have not repeated the STR. To triple check the validity of my own words I have started from scratch, deleted all my accounts and followed strictly the STR provided here and I am getting the same result. I am attaching a screenshot showing that. Here is also the additional info requested: [~]: grep -n receive_at ~/.claws-mail/accountrc 27:receive_at_get_all=1 133:receive_at_get_all=0 [~]: grep last_opened_folder ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc last_opened_folder=#imap/GMAIL/INBOX I am not going to paste the full output of '--debug' because as explained it reveals private data but you can debug further yourself. The STR are valid and reproducible. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From codejodler at gmx.ch Tue Mar 20 21:01:08 2018 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 21:01:08 +0100 Subject: [Users] Understanding processing (and pre/post-) In-Reply-To: <20180320121720.0000767d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20180320022840.395d46cd@gandalf.lan3> <20180320121720.0000767d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20180320210108.30cbf9c4@gandalf.lan3> Here is the updated version (attch, chapter Advanced Features -> Processing). Although i still don't know if the devos like it, and of course it would need an OK from Jim too, to go into the package. ( I took the HTML from claws-mail-doc 3.16.0 ) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: claws-mail-manual.html.bz2 Type: application/x-bzip Size: 28568 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org Tue Mar 20 22:49:35 2018 From: jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org (Jeremy Nicoll) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 21:49:35 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1521582575.2259738.1310207696.435C1375@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Tue, 20 Mar 2018, at 16:46, noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 > > --- Comment #11 from Removed after GDPR request --- > I am not going to paste the full output of '--debug' because as explained it > reveals private data but you can debug further yourself. The whole world solves that problem by either a) trusting the developer, or b) eliding the sensitive parts of the debug data. So remove userids and passwords, or financial data. Honestly programmers trying to solve bugs don't care about the personal stuff in dumps and traces. Failing that, set up your own test data and process it alone (eg by sending yourself test messages, or getting other people to send them etc). -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. From removed-gdpr at example.com Tue Mar 20 23:40:35 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 00:40:35 +0200 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: <1521582575.2259738.1310207696.435C1375@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1521582575.2259738.1310207696.435C1375@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 21:49:35 +0000 Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > The whole world solves that problem by either > > a) trusting the developer, or Bug reporting does not require unlimited trust for the sake of proving some virtue or idealism. It needs reproducible steps and those have been provided. > b) eliding the sensitive parts of the debug data. So remove userids > and passwords, or financial data. I have already done that in the supplied excerpt. But he wants the full unedited debug log claiming that "nothing very private would be revealed" (which is not true). I don't have dedicated throw-away email accounts just for testing bugs. > Honestly programmers trying to solve bugs don't care about the > personal stuff in dumps and traces. Exactly. And neither they need that. The bug report already contains all the data needed to reproduce the issue. I have demonstrated this by starting from scratch which means anyone can start with an empty ~/.claws-mail and repeat the steps. -- George From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 21 00:01:58 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 23:01:58 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: <1521582575.2259738.1310207696.435C1375@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20180320230158.7e65402d@kujata> On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 00:40:35 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > I have already done that in the supplied excerpt. But he wants the > full unedited debug log claiming that "nothing very private would be > revealed" (which is not true). What sort of private data do you not want him to see? Arbitrarily named folders, server addresses, stuff like that? > The bug report already > contains all the data needed to reproduce the issue. The trouble with that is that you only provided (apparently) enough data for /you/ to reproduce the issue. That data is not all that is needed to reproduce it elsewhere. So, possibly, the issue is caused by something in your set-up you are not aware of. And also the debug info is more precise. with regards Paul From removed-gdpr at example.com Wed Mar 21 00:35:17 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 01:35:17 +0200 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: <20180320230158.7e65402d@kujata> References: <1521582575.2259738.1310207696.435C1375@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180320230158.7e65402d@kujata> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 23:01:58 +0000 Paul wrote: > What sort of private data do you not want him to see? Arbitrarily > named folders, server addresses, stuff like that? Yes, but this is not arbitrary data (at least in my case). It contains information about my interlocutors and I cannot disrespect their privacy and their trust just because there is a bug in a program I use. As I said - I have no scratchpad accounts to test with. > The trouble with that is that you only provided (apparently) enough > data for /you/ to reproduce the issue. That data is not all that is > needed to reproduce it elsewhere. So, possibly, the issue is caused by > something in your set-up you are not aware of. And also the debug > info is more precise. What set-up? I have started from scratch, removing all accounts. Also deleting completely clawsrc still results in attempts to connect to both accounts. Have you tried deleting ~/.claws-mail and reproducing the steps I provided? I don't see why a from-scratch scenario should work for me only. I am using claws-mail 3.16.0 installed from: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/mail/openSUSE_Leap_42.3/ Help -> About shows: System Information GTK+ 2.24.31 / GLib 2.48.2 Locale: en_US.UTF-8 (charset: UTF-8) Operating System: Linux 4.4.114-42-default (x86_64) Compiled-in Features compface adds support for the X-Face header Enchant adds support for spell checking GnuTLS adds support for encrypted connections to servers IPv6 adds support for IPv6 addresses, the new Internet addressing protocol iconv allows converting to and from different character sets JPilot adds support for PalmOS addressbooks LDAP adds support for LDAP shared addressbooks libetpan adds support for IMAP and NNTP servers libSM adds support for session handling NetworkManager adds support for detection of network connection changes librSVG adds support for SVG themes -- George From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Wed Mar 21 12:19:29 2018 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 11:19:29 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: <1521582575.2259738.1310207696.435C1375@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180320230158.7e65402d@kujata> Message-ID: <20180321121929.000069d6@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 01:35:17 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > What set-up? I have started from scratch, removing all accounts. Also > deleting completely clawsrc still results in attempts to connect to > both accounts. > > Have you tried deleting ~/.claws-mail and reproducing the steps I > provided? I don't see why a from-scratch scenario should work for me > only. > > I am using claws-mail 3.16.0 installed from: > > http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/mail/openSUSE_Leap_42.3/ You're using SuSE which makes you a bit of an unusual case on the list here. It's possible that something about your network settings and DNS setup is a bit different, I really don't know. Whatever else, you're doing that thing where you expect everyone to bend over backwards for you while you sit there and bluster about privacy and what *you* want. It's not a good look. -- Brian Morrison From eagirard at cox.net Wed Mar 21 12:35:53 2018 From: eagirard at cox.net (Ed Ahlsen-Girard) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 06:35:53 -0500 Subject: [Users] Oops. I should *not* have emptied the trash. Message-ID: <20180321063553.0136cfde@cox.net> I emptied the trash before verifying that the messages I thought were duplicates actually had copies elsewhere. They did not. All of these messages have been backed up (OpenBSD dump(8) of the /home directory) so I know I can get to them. What I don't know is the kind, graceful, please don't corrupt the mailbox way to restore(8) and reintegrate them. Will a simple restore(8) of the files that were in Trash bring them back without breaking things? -- Edward Ahlsen-Girard Ft Walton Beach, FL From removed-gdpr at example.com Wed Mar 21 12:39:54 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 13:39:54 +0200 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: <20180321121929.000069d6@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> References: <1521582575.2259738.1310207696.435C1375@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180320230158.7e65402d@kujata> <20180321121929.000069d6@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 11:19:29 +0000 Brian Morrison wrote: > You're using SuSE which makes you a bit of an unusual case on the list > here. In what way? (and it is openSUSE) > It's possible that something about your network settings and DNS > setup is a bit different, I really don't know. How exactly is it possible that network settings can lead to connection and login to yahoo.com? > Whatever else, you're doing that thing where you expect everyone to > bend over backwards for you while you sit there and bluster about > privacy and what *you* want. It's not a good look. Refusing to share private info especially when it is not even necessary is not "blustering about privacy". Also filing a bug report is not "expecting everyone to bend over backwards". Please if you can't be helpful at least try not to be cynical. -- George From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 21 12:42:08 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 11:42:08 +0000 Subject: [Users] Oops. I should *not* have emptied the trash. In-Reply-To: <20180321063553.0136cfde@cox.net> References: <20180321063553.0136cfde@cox.net> Message-ID: <20180321114208.32cae5ae@kujata> On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 06:35:53 -0500 Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > Will a simple restore(8) of the files that were in Trash bring them > back without breaking things? If the files are not overwriting other files, then it should be fine. Normally just selecting the folder after you added the files should be enough to show them. If not, try 'check for new messages' from the top-level mailbox folder's context menu. with regards Paul From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 21 12:51:48 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 11:51:48 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: <1521582575.2259738.1310207696.435C1375@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180320230158.7e65402d@kujata> <20180321121929.000069d6@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20180321115148.6e12185e@kujata> On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 13:39:54 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > when it is not even necessary You have no idea what is necessary and what is not in relation to debugging your issue. Certainly your folder names and your login usernames are of no use, but you cut out the full process, which could be useful in debugging your issue. Anyway, it seems a bit rich to me that you speak of what is unnecessary! :) I hesitated to respond, expecting only obstinate refutation and resistance, but anyway, here it is. with regards Paul From removed-gdpr at example.com Wed Mar 21 13:13:28 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 14:13:28 +0200 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: <20180321115148.6e12185e@kujata> References: <1521582575.2259738.1310207696.435C1375@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180320230158.7e65402d@kujata> <20180321121929.000069d6@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180321115148.6e12185e@kujata> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 11:51:48 +0000 Paul wrote: > You have no idea what is necessary and what is not in relation to > debugging your issue. You have still not answered these 2 questions: 1. Have you repeated the STR starting with an empty ~/.claws-mail? 2. Are you testing with the same version for which the bug report is? If both have a YES answer then you already have the full debug log. -- George From subscript at free.fr Wed Mar 21 13:31:50 2018 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 13:31:50 +0100 Subject: [Users] Oops. I should *not* have emptied the trash. In-Reply-To: <20180321114208.32cae5ae@kujata> References: <20180321063553.0136cfde@cox.net> <20180321114208.32cae5ae@kujata> Message-ID: <20180321133150.6099a292@ladybug> Hello, On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 11:42:08 +0000 Paul wrote: > On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 06:35:53 -0500 > Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote: > > > Will a simple restore(8) of the files that were in Trash bring them > > back without breaking things? > > If the files are not overwriting other files, then it should be fine. > Normally just selecting the folder after you added the files should > be enough to show them. If not, try 'check for new messages' from the > top-level mailbox folder's context menu. What's I'd do there, is from Claws-Mail, create a new folder, move all messages in trash (if any) to that folder. Now leave Claws-Mail, proceed to `restore`. Open Claws-Mail back, 'check for new messages' as said by Paul to get the restored messages up, then move all messages from the "new folder" back to Trash. Eventually 'Tools/Delete duplicated messages'. That's a way to get your old trash w/ any new trashed messages merged. Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I won't be responding again. -- Brian Morrison From colin at colino.net Wed Mar 21 15:19:11 2018 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 15:19:11 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: <1521582575.2259738.1310207696.435C1375@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180320230158.7e65402d@kujata> <20180321121929.000069d6@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180321115148.6e12185e@kujata> Message-ID: <20180321151911.6e61a6c8@colin.i-run.lau> On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 14:13:28 +0200, Removed GDPR wrote: > 1. Have you repeated the STR starting with an empty ~/.claws-mail? > 2. Are you testing with the same version for which the bug report is? Dude, do you really think Paul and the other Claws Mail devs are being paid to get out of their way and spend two hours trying to replicate your setup in hope to reproduce the bug you face ? You want free help ? At least facilitate it. -- Colin From myetto1 at nycap.rr.com Wed Mar 21 15:53:31 2018 From: myetto1 at nycap.rr.com (Michael A. Yetto) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 10:53:31 -0400 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: <1521582575.2259738.1310207696.435C1375@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180320230158.7e65402d@kujata> <20180321121929.000069d6@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180321115148.6e12185e@kujata> Message-ID: <20180321105331.3ec4b70d@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 14:13:28 +0200 Removed GDPR writes, and having writ moves on: >On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 11:51:48 +0000 Paul wrote: > >> You have no idea what is necessary and what is not in relation to >> debugging your issue. > >You have still not answered these 2 questions: > >1. Have you repeated the STR starting with an empty ~/.claws-mail? >2. Are you testing with the same version for which the bug report is? > >If both have a YES answer then you already have the full debug log. > If you had a Dodge Ram pickup-truck that shimmied at 65 mph would you tell the service department at the dealer to test drive the same model to find the problem? From the last sentence I quoted it seems that you might, but most people wouldn't. Send the information for which you were asked and you might get the answer that you demand. Mike Yetto -- "Uncertainty makes people anxious, and anxiety is related to magical thinking." - Michael Shermer -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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File is in manual/advanced.xml if you can clone git¹, otherwise you can just save the "raw" link from that file page on gitweb: http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=blob;f=manual/advanced.xml;h=1be15915103ce6ffdf98bd320d7941713fdefb92;hb=HEAD thanks! ¹ Instructions to get git here: http://claws-mail.org/git.php -- Ricardo Mones ~ The three principal virtues of a programmer are Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris. man perl -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That is, this program will go over a text file, and replace any occurence of a folder name (of the form '#imap/GMAIL/x/' or '#imap/YAHOO/y/z/') with an anonymized form ('#imap/YAHOO/folder/folder/' for the last example); it also replaces any one of a sequecnce of strings (defined in line 5 as "PASSWORDS" -- put whatever you want to hide there) with the string SECRET. I believe if you run your log through this -- that is, put your passwords in the script and execute the command python3 script.py < debug_log.txt > clean_debug_log.txt You will have a file which, on one hand, reveals none of your personal info, and on the other, is the whole debug log as developers asked. As I noted, this is simple, took about 15 minutes to put together. I hope it helps. No guarantees, if it breaks you get to keep both pieces. Have fun, Shai. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I keep a log of everything out to /dev/null, and in the past couple days Prolific George accounted for 15 of my 66 /dev/nulled messages. And I'm on A LOT of mailing lists, including several LUG mailing lists. Of course, I still have to wade through responses to Prolific George, and then arguments start and I have to read the other side of those. I suggest everyone either /dev/null Prolific George, or if you must respond, respond directly to George with no copy for the list. Everyone's life will be much easier. SteveT From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 21 20:55:33 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:55:33 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 --- Comment #12 from Andrej Kacian --- I tried reproducing this step by step, but I do not see any connection to the second account's server. Claws Mail started, and opened the folder I had opened before. Network log shows no second connection attempt. The only difference was that I did not use Yahoo and Gmail, but my private IMAP account, and my work IMAP account. There has to be something else happening at your end. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From anmeyer at mailbox.org Thu Mar 22 00:56:24 2018 From: anmeyer at mailbox.org (Andreas Meyer) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 00:56:24 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws-mail on CentOS Message-ID: <20180322005624.4ca6a26a.anmeyer@mailbox.org> Hello! I want to install claws-mail on CentOS but I have to compile it myself. Got a prolem with libetpam, it fails to compile: gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I../include -DDEBUG -D_REENTRANT -g -O2 -O2 -g -W -Wall -ULIBETPAN_DLL -MT smime.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/smime.Tpo -c -o smime.o smime.c mv -f .deps/smime.Tpo .deps/smime.Po /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link gcc -g -O2 -O2 -g -W -Wall -ULIBETPAN_DLL -lexpat -lz -o smime smime.o ../src/libetpan.la -lz -pthread libtool: link: gcc -g -O2 -O2 -g -W -Wall -ULIBETPAN_DLL -o .libs/smime smime.o -pthread ../src/.libs/libetpan.so -lexpat -lz -pthread -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib gcc: error: ../src/.libs/libetpan.so: No such file or directory make[3]: *** [smime] Fehler 1 What can I do? 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 213 bytes Desc: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP URL: From lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net Thu Mar 22 01:10:47 2018 From: lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net (Richard) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 00:10:47 +0000 Subject: [Users] Claws-mail on CentOS In-Reply-To: <20180322005624.4ca6a26a.anmeyer@mailbox.org> References: <20180322005624.4ca6a26a.anmeyer@mailbox.org> Message-ID: > Date: Thursday, March 22, 2018 00:56:24 +0100 > From: Andreas Meyer > > Hello! > > I want to install claws-mail on CentOS but I have to compile it > myself. > > Got a prolem with libetpam, it fails to compile: > > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I../include -DDEBUG -D_REENTRANT -g > -O2 -O2 -g -W -Wall -ULIBETPAN_DLL -MT smime.o -MD -MP -MF > .deps/smime.Tpo -c -o smime.o smime.c mv -f .deps/smime.Tpo > .deps/smime.Po > /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link gcc -g -O2 -O2 -g -W > -Wall -ULIBETPAN_DLL -lexpat -lz -o smime smime.o > ../src/libetpan.la -lz -pthread libtool: link: gcc -g -O2 -O2 -g > -W -Wall -ULIBETPAN_DLL -o .libs/smime smime.o -pthread > ../src/.libs/libetpan.so -lexpat -lz -pthread -Wl,-rpath > -Wl,/usr/local/lib gcc: error: ../src/.libs/libetpan.so: No such > file or directory make[3]: *** [smime] Fehler 1 > > What can I do? I don't want to miss claws-mail in CentOS. > > Kind regards > > Andreas >From the output you show, it's libetpan, not libetpam. libetpan-devel-1.5-2.el7.nux.x86_64 is available from the nux repository. That's the version that I installed/used to compile claws a few months ago. For more details, that repository is listed on the Centos - additional repositories page: From removed-gdpr at example.com Thu Mar 22 02:58:59 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 03:58:59 +0200 Subject: [Users] [SPAM] Re: [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: <20180321213600.663425e2.shai@platonix.com> References: <1521582575.2259738.1310207696.435C1375@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180320230158.7e65402d@kujata> <20180321121929.000069d6@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180321115148.6e12185e@kujata> <20180321213600.663425e2.shai@platonix.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 21:36:00 +0200 Shai Berger wrote: > Hi George, > > I've attempted to write a simple script to anonymize the debug log. Thanks Shai. Earlier I used similar regex too. -- George From lists at lazygranch.com Thu Mar 22 03:22:43 2018 From: lists at lazygranch.com (lists at lazygranch.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:22:43 -0700 Subject: [Users] cert issue Message-ID: <20180321192243.5613983f.lists@lazygranch.com> This may not be a claws issue. Using letsencrypt, I set up a cert with mail.example.com and example.com. I set up claws to use mail.example.com. This cert caused a problem with the website at example.com, so I got rid of the mail.example.com subdomain. I changed the claws accounts to use example.com The cert for mail.example.com has expired and I intend not to use it. (letsencrypt is going to allow wildcard certs soon if not already, but that is another story.) I would like claws to use the cert for example.com, but I keep getting the message that mail.example.com has expired. How do I force claws to use the top level domain cert (example.com). From shai at platonix.com Thu Mar 22 07:59:11 2018 From: shai at platonix.com (Shai Berger) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 08:59:11 +0200 Subject: [Users] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: <1521582575.2259738.1310207696.435C1375@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180320230158.7e65402d@kujata> <20180321121929.000069d6@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180321115148.6e12185e@kujata> <20180321213600.663425e2.shai@platonix.com> Message-ID: <20180322085911.5477cc37.shai@platonix.com> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 03:58:59 +0200 Removed GDPR wrote: > On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 21:36:00 +0200 Shai Berger wrote: > > > I've attempted to write a simple script to anonymize the debug > > log. > > Thanks Shai. Earlier I used similar regex too. > Then why didn't you just use it again to provide the requested log, while protecting your privacy? From olaf at aepfle.de Thu Mar 22 08:07:00 2018 From: olaf at aepfle.de (Olaf Hering) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 08:07:00 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: <20180321152501.6aa6ed45@mydesk.domain.cxm> References: <1521582575.2259738.1310207696.435C1375@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180320230158.7e65402d@kujata> <20180321121929.000069d6@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180321150450.00001640@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180321152501.6aa6ed45@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: <20180322080700.30a037e8.olaf@aepfle.de> Am Wed, 21 Mar 2018 15:25:01 -0400 schrieb Steve Litt : > Of course, I still have to wade through responses to Prolific George, > and then arguments start and I have to read the other side of those. Really, as a claws-mail user? No need to filter anyone. Claws has the ignore-thread feature. Olaf -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Using the problematic .claws-mail dir I removed all existing accounts except the GMAIL and YAHOO ones: [~]: grep Account .claws-mail/accountrc [Account: 1] // GMAIL [Account: 5] [Account: 10] [Account: 7] [Account: 8] // YAHOO [Account: 9] [Account: 4] I.e. after the change only 1 and 8 were left. Then I closed CM and deleted everything except: ~/.claws-mail/accountrc ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc ~/.claws-mail/folderlist.xml ~/.claws-mail/passwordstorerc To make sure I have the same settings as in the "problematic" version I diff-ed them with the files in the "clean" (non-problematic version) and reduced the differences to a point at which only the account IDs of the YAHOO account were different. In particular: In the problematic .claws-mail YAHOO account had ID=8 (as seen above) and in the "clean" one it had ID=2. Everything else was the same. So I went on and deleted the YAHOO account from the problematic version and re-added it again, using identical settings. RESULT: no more connection to yahoo. The only change I noticed the config files was that now that account received ID=6. This made me question: is the number '8' special in some way? So I went on and changed account numbers from '2' to '8' in the clean version (checking each relevant section in the files above) and ran CM again: no connection to yahoo. I also did the opposite: I changed the account number from '8' to '6' in the initial .claws-mail version. RESULT: there still IS connection to yahoo. I also tried changing '8' to '2' - same, still connection to yahoo. I remember a few days ago by mistake I did some drag and drop of one or two the accounts in the window which lists all accounts. This resulted in duplicated accounts and I had to delete the duplicates. I am mentioning this because it may in some way be related to the non-sequential account IDs. But still I can't find what the exact mathematical or logical relationship may be. So this is totally mysterious to me. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 22 09:44:12 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 08:44:12 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #14 from Ricardo Mones --- (In reply to comment #13) [...] > > So this is totally mysterious to me. Assuming you also had disabled automatic mail checking and enabled the 'Open last opened folder at start-up', which you didn't mention in your initial description, I've followed your steps and no connection was made to the disabled server. The only explanation I can found is that you may have inadvertently left open a folder of the second (disabled) account instead of first, which obviously makes it to connect. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 22 10:15:24 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 09:15:24 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3990] Deleted address books remain as .bak files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3990 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|normal |enhancement --- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones --- These are not address book files, are backups of the addressbook files, which may save you some headache in case of accidents. If you don't want backups you can make a trivial shell script which reviews your ~/.claws-mail/addrbook folder and removes those addrbook-*.xml.bak files which don't have the corresponding addrbook-*.xml file. Put it under cron for automated deletions. As a general idea I don't think is a good idea that the application making backups is also able to delete them, but, anyway, this would be a RFE not a bug. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 22 11:21:33 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:21:33 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3994] New: Numeric character references ignored in HTML viewer Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3994 Bug ID: 3994 Summary: Numeric character references ignored in HTML viewer Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.15.1 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI/Message View Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: clmabuac.rhn at porcupinefactory.org Numeric character references are not unescaped when viewing the HTML alternative. To reproduce: 1. Receive an email with HTML only part and non-ASCII contents like "абвгд" encoded with numeric character reference 2. View it Expected result: The message frame displays "абвгд" Actual results: Message window displays the raw string "абвгд" -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From anmeyer at mailbox.org Thu Mar 22 11:26:18 2018 From: anmeyer at mailbox.org (Andreas Meyer) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:26:18 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] Claws-mail on CentOS In-Reply-To: References: <20180322005624.4ca6a26a.anmeyer@mailbox.org> Message-ID: <684425582.5637.1521714379275@office.mailbox.org> Hello! > Richard hat am 22. März 2018 um 01:10 geschrieben: > > I want to install claws-mail on CentOS but I have to compile it > > myself. > > > > Got a prolem with libetpam, it fails to compile: > > > > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I../include -DDEBUG -D_REENTRANT -g > > -O2 -O2 -g -W -Wall -ULIBETPAN_DLL -MT smime.o -MD -MP -MF > > .deps/smime.Tpo -c -o smime.o smime.c mv -f .deps/smime.Tpo > > .deps/smime.Po > > /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link gcc -g -O2 -O2 -g -W > > -Wall -ULIBETPAN_DLL -lexpat -lz -o smime smime.o > > ../src/libetpan.la -lz -pthread libtool: link: gcc -g -O2 -O2 -g > > -W -Wall -ULIBETPAN_DLL -o .libs/smime smime.o -pthread > > ../src/.libs/libetpan.so -lexpat -lz -pthread -Wl,-rpath > > -Wl,/usr/local/lib gcc: error: ../src/.libs/libetpan.so: No such > > file or directory make[3]: *** [smime] Fehler 1 > > > > What can I do? I don't want to miss claws-mail in CentOS. > >From the output you show, it's libetpan, not libetpam. > libetpan-devel-1.5-2.el7.nux.x86_64 is available from the nux > repository. That's the version that I installed/used to compile claws > a few months ago. > > For more details, that repository is listed on the Centos - > additional repositories page: > > Thank you! I installed the nux-repository and libetpan-devel.x86_64 0:1.5-2.el7.nux and libetpan.x86_64 0:1.5-2.el7.nux but get checking whether to use libetpan... yes checking for libetpan-config... no *** Claws Mail requires libetpan 0.57 or newer. See http://www.etpan.org/ *** You can use --disable-libetpan if you don't need IMAP4 and/or NNTP support. configure: error: libetpan 0.57 not found I am a bit clueless at the moment. Kind regards Andreas From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 22 11:31:49 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:31:49 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3994] Numeric character references ignored in HTML viewer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3994 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #1 from Paul --- You need to upgrade to the latest release. This is resolved there. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From brad at fineby.me.uk Thu Mar 22 09:56:46 2018 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 08:56:46 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: <20180322080700.30a037e8.olaf@aepfle.de> References: <1521582575.2259738.1310207696.435C1375@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180320230158.7e65402d@kujata> <20180321121929.000069d6@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180321150450.00001640@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180321152501.6aa6ed45@mydesk.domain.cxm> <20180322080700.30a037e8.olaf@aepfle.de> Message-ID: <20180322085646.76509f0e@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 08:07:00 +0100 Olaf Hering wrote: Hello Olaf, >No need to filter anyone. I disagree; If one has no desire to have dealings with a particular person, deleting mails (ideally at the server so they never make it to your own machine) is the best option. One can then use ignore thread on anything that is sent to (for example) this list in response without having introduce sanctions against the good folk of the list. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" You're only 29 got a lot to learn Seventeen - Sex Pistols -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From subscript at free.fr Thu Mar 22 12:57:18 2018 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 12:57:18 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws-mail on CentOS In-Reply-To: <684425582.5637.1521714379275@office.mailbox.org> References: <20180322005624.4ca6a26a.anmeyer@mailbox.org> <684425582.5637.1521714379275@office.mailbox.org> Message-ID: <20180322125718.3fe88a8f@ladybug> Hello Andreas, On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:26:18 +0100 (CET) Andreas Meyer wrote: > Hello! > > > Richard hat am 22. März 2018 um 01:10 geschrieben: > > > > I want to install claws-mail on CentOS but I have to compile it > > > myself. > > > > > > Got a prolem with libetpam, it fails to compile: > > > > > > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I../include -DDEBUG -D_REENTRANT -g > > > -O2 -O2 -g -W -Wall -ULIBETPAN_DLL -MT smime.o -MD -MP -MF > > > .deps/smime.Tpo -c -o smime.o smime.c mv -f .deps/smime.Tpo > > > .deps/smime.Po > > > /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link gcc -g -O2 -O2 -g -W > > > -Wall -ULIBETPAN_DLL -lexpat -lz -o smime smime.o > > > ../src/libetpan.la -lz -pthread libtool: link: gcc -g -O2 -O2 -g > > > -W -Wall -ULIBETPAN_DLL -o .libs/smime smime.o -pthread > > > ../src/.libs/libetpan.so -lexpat -lz -pthread -Wl,-rpath > > > -Wl,/usr/local/lib gcc: error: ../src/.libs/libetpan.so: No such > > > file or directory make[3]: *** [smime] Fehler 1 > > > > > > What can I do? I don't want to miss claws-mail in CentOS. > > > >From the output you show, it's libetpan, not libetpam. > > libetpan-devel-1.5-2.el7.nux.x86_64 is available from the nux > > repository. That's the version that I installed/used to compile claws > > a few months ago. > > > > For more details, that repository is listed on the Centos - > > additional repositories page: > > > > > > Thank you! I installed the nux-repository and libetpan-devel.x86_64 0:1.5-2.el7.nux > and libetpan.x86_64 0:1.5-2.el7.nux but get > > checking whether to use libetpan... yes > checking for libetpan-config... no > *** Claws Mail requires libetpan 0.57 or newer. See http://www.etpan.org/ > *** You can use --disable-libetpan if you don't need IMAP4 and/or NNTP support. > configure: error: libetpan 0.57 not found > > I am a bit clueless at the moment. Here, CentOS6/7, I compiled libetpan 1.7.2 from the sources (in /usr/local). https://github.com/dinhviethoa/libetpan/releases Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From anmeyer at mailbox.org Thu Mar 22 13:39:09 2018 From: anmeyer at mailbox.org (Andreas Meyer) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:39:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] Claws-mail on CentOS In-Reply-To: <20180322125718.3fe88a8f@ladybug> References: <20180322005624.4ca6a26a.anmeyer@mailbox.org> <684425582.5637.1521714379275@office.mailbox.org> <20180322125718.3fe88a8f@ladybug> Message-ID: <1091752678.6200.1521722349680@office.mailbox.org> wwp hat am 22. März 2018 um 12:57 geschrieben: > > > > Got a prolem with libetpam, it fails to compile: > > > > > > > > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I../include -DDEBUG -D_REENTRANT -g > > > > -O2 -O2 -g -W -Wall -ULIBETPAN_DLL -MT smime.o -MD -MP -MF > > > > .deps/smime.Tpo -c -o smime.o smime.c mv -f .deps/smime.Tpo > > > > .deps/smime.Po > > > > /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link gcc -g -O2 -O2 -g -W > > > > -Wall -ULIBETPAN_DLL -lexpat -lz -o smime smime.o > > > > ../src/libetpan.la -lz -pthread libtool: link: gcc -g -O2 -O2 -g > > > > -W -Wall -ULIBETPAN_DLL -o .libs/smime smime.o -pthread > > > > ../src/.libs/libetpan.so -lexpat -lz -pthread -Wl,-rpath > > > > -Wl,/usr/local/lib gcc: error: ../src/.libs/libetpan.so: No such > > > > file or directory make[3]: *** [smime] Fehler 1 > > > > > > > > What can I do? I don't want to miss claws-mail in CentOS. > > > > > >From the output you show, it's libetpan, not libetpam. > > > libetpan-devel-1.5-2.el7.nux.x86_64 is available from the nux > > > repository. That's the version that I installed/used to compile claws > > > a few months ago. > > > > > > For more details, that repository is listed on the Centos - > > > additional repositories page: > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! I installed the nux-repository and libetpan-devel.x86_64 0:1.5-2.el7.nux > > and libetpan.x86_64 0:1.5-2.el7.nux but get > > > > checking whether to use libetpan... yes > > checking for libetpan-config... no > > *** Claws Mail requires libetpan 0.57 or newer. See http://www.etpan.org/ > > *** You can use --disable-libetpan if you don't need IMAP4 and/or NNTP support. > > configure: error: libetpan 0.57 not found > > > > I am a bit clueless at the moment. > > Here, CentOS6/7, I compiled libetpan 1.7.2 from the sources > (in /usr/local). > > https://github.com/dinhviethoa/libetpan/releases Now I installed ibetpan-devel.x86_64 0:1.5-2.el7.nux too and claws-mail compiles. puh Andreas From anmeyer at mailbox.org Thu Mar 22 14:08:07 2018 From: anmeyer at mailbox.org (Andreas Meyer) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:08:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] Claws-mail on CentOS In-Reply-To: <1091752678.6200.1521722349680@office.mailbox.org> References: <20180322005624.4ca6a26a.anmeyer@mailbox.org> <684425582.5637.1521714379275@office.mailbox.org> <20180322125718.3fe88a8f@ladybug> <1091752678.6200.1521722349680@office.mailbox.org> Message-ID: <1678316044.6457.1521724090243@office.mailbox.org> > Andreas Meyer hat am 22. März 2018 um 13:39 geschrieben: > Now I installed ibetpan-devel.x86_64 0:1.5-2.el7.nux too and claws-mail compiles. Are python and perl essential for claws-mail to work? There are other problems compiling with python and perl. Kind regards Andreas From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 22 14:22:47 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:22:47 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 --- Comment #15 from Removed after GDPR request --- Thanks for testing Ricardo. The explanation you give may sound logical and I would think about it myself as a side observer but it is not the actuality. The last selected folder has always been in the GMAIL account as previously mentioned. I actually found that CM makes a connection even to a third account (when using my actual setup which has more than 2 accounts). So I have been digging further into this because I really wanted to see what was causing it. And I think/hope I have nailed it. The things which result in connection related to the secondary (YAHOO) account: 1. Not having the file: ~/.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.mail.yahoo.com//Queue/.claws_cache 2. Having any rule(s) in the [preglobal] section of ~/.claws-mail/matcherrc Any or both of this result in a connection to the YAHOO account on program start. FWIW: this is not information which the debug log would show directly or explicitly. I found the first factor by running diff on 2 different debug logs which simply showed me that .claws_cache was not found but there was no direct feedback explaining that *because* of that a connection is made. I just guessed it through the sequence of things and was able to confirm it only after more meticulous testing. For the second factor I found no mention in the debug log whatsoever. Please consider reopening this ticket to investigate this further because it seems related to program logic, not to settings per se. Another thing I found during testing: right after setting up the secondary account (YAHOO) a connection to yahoo is made immediately after completing the configuration without clicking "Get mail" or anything explicitly requiring connectivity. I don't know if that is a bug or deliberate logic but you may want to check it too because ideally in a system in which the user (and not the program) is in control the connection should be initiated not upon account setup but when the user explicitly requests it (e.g. on "Get mail", folder select/refresh etc). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net Thu Mar 22 14:26:36 2018 From: lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net (Richard) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:26:36 +0000 Subject: [Users] Claws-mail on CentOS In-Reply-To: <1678316044.6457.1521724090243@office.mailbox.org> References: <20180322005624.4ca6a26a.anmeyer@mailbox.org> <684425582.5637.1521714379275@office.mailbox.org> <20180322125718.3fe88a8f@ladybug> <1091752678.6200.1521722349680@office.mailbox.org> <1678316044.6457.1521724090243@office.mailbox.org> Message-ID: <0576FBD65CE8A11942D0183A@ritz.innovate.net> > Date: Thursday, March 22, 2018 14:08:07 +0100 > From: Andreas Meyer > > Are python and perl essential for claws-mail to work? There are > other problems compiling with python and perl. > Could you be more specific about your python and perl issues? Your centos system will have python (it's integral to some system management aspects, and updating it has to be done with great care). I believe that base perl is also installed by default. You may need development libraries that don't get installed by default. From anmeyer at mailbox.org Thu Mar 22 15:13:26 2018 From: anmeyer at mailbox.org (Andreas Meyer) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 15:13:26 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] Claws-mail on CentOS In-Reply-To: <0576FBD65CE8A11942D0183A@ritz.innovate.net> References: <20180322005624.4ca6a26a.anmeyer@mailbox.org> <684425582.5637.1521714379275@office.mailbox.org> <20180322125718.3fe88a8f@ladybug> <1091752678.6200.1521722349680@office.mailbox.org> <1678316044.6457.1521724090243@office.mailbox.org> <0576FBD65CE8A11942D0183A@ritz.innovate.net> Message-ID: <389211513.6982.1521728006882@office.mailbox.org> > Richard hat am 22. März 2018 um 14:26 geschrieben: > > Are python and perl essential for claws-mail to work? There are > > other problems compiling with python and perl. > > > > Could you be more specific about your python and perl issues? Your > centos system will have python (it's integral to some system > management aspects, and updating it has to be done with great care). > I believe that base perl is also installed by default. > > You may need development libraries that don't get installed by > default. checking whether to build newmail plugin... yes checking whether to build notification plugin... yes checking whether to build pdf_viewer plugin... no configure: WARNING: "Plugin pdf_viewer will not be built; missing libpoppler-glib " checking whether to build perl plugin... no configure: WARNING: "Plugin perl will not be built; missing libperl " checking whether to build python plugin... no configure: WARNING: "Plugin python will not be built; missing python " checking whether to build pgpcore plugin... yes Disabled due to missing dependencies: - fancy - pdf_viewer - perl - python - vcalendar But python-devel-2.7.5-58.el7.x86_64 and perl-devel-5.16.3-292.el7.x86_64 are already installed. Also is libical-devel-1.0.1-1.el7.x86_64 Kind regards Andreas From subscript at free.fr Thu Mar 22 16:35:24 2018 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:35:24 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws-mail on CentOS In-Reply-To: <389211513.6982.1521728006882@office.mailbox.org> References: <20180322005624.4ca6a26a.anmeyer@mailbox.org> <684425582.5637.1521714379275@office.mailbox.org> <20180322125718.3fe88a8f@ladybug> <1091752678.6200.1521722349680@office.mailbox.org> <1678316044.6457.1521724090243@office.mailbox.org> <0576FBD65CE8A11942D0183A@ritz.innovate.net> <389211513.6982.1521728006882@office.mailbox.org> Message-ID: <20180322163524.0444006d@ladybug> Hello Andreas, On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 15:13:26 +0100 (CET) Andreas Meyer wrote: > > Richard hat am 22. März 2018 um 14:26 geschrieben: > > > > Are python and perl essential for claws-mail to work? There are > > > other problems compiling with python and perl. > > > > > > > Could you be more specific about your python and perl issues? Your > > centos system will have python (it's integral to some system > > management aspects, and updating it has to be done with great care). > > I believe that base perl is also installed by default. > > > > You may need development libraries that don't get installed by > > default. > > checking whether to build newmail plugin... yes > checking whether to build notification plugin... yes > checking whether to build pdf_viewer plugin... no > configure: WARNING: "Plugin pdf_viewer will not be built; missing libpoppler-glib " > checking whether to build perl plugin... no > configure: WARNING: "Plugin perl will not be built; missing libperl " > checking whether to build python plugin... no > configure: WARNING: "Plugin python will not be built; missing python " > checking whether to build pgpcore plugin... yes > > Disabled due to missing dependencies: > - fancy > - pdf_viewer > - perl > - python > - vcalendar > > But python-devel-2.7.5-58.el7.x86_64 and perl-devel-5.16.3-292.el7.x86_64 are already installed. > Also is libical-devel-1.0.1-1.el7.x86_64 For perl (based on what's installed here, I presume it's): perl-devel perl-Glib-devel would you mind trying that? If more is needed, we'd need to dig into the detail. For python (based on ..): python-devel but since you have it.. I don't remember what more is needed :-/, I must admit that perl and python deps are often a nightmare since they imply lots of packages, not always the same across distros, nothing obvious. For fancy: webkitgtk-devel you might want to check how the RPM for centos is build and what are its dependencies, for instance: https://centos.pkgs.org/7/epel-testing-x86_64/claws-mail-plugins-fancy-3.11.1-5.el7.x86_64.rpm.html there, you can see that it 'requires' libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0()(64bit), which is: https://centos.pkgs.org/7/epel-x86_64/webkitgtk-2.4.9-1.el7.x86_64.rpm.html (install the -devel one). For pdf_viewer: poppler-devel and probably compat-poppler022-glib, if what I see at: https://centos.pkgs.org/7/epel-testing-x86_64/claws-mail-plugins-pdf-viewer-3.11.1-5.el7.x86_64.rpm.html leads me to : https://centos.pkgs.org/7/centos-x86_64/compat-poppler022-glib-0.22.5-4.el7.x86_64.rpm.html You might want to install libical 2.0.0 from the sources, for vcalendar, see https://github.com/libical/libical/releases. I didn't try the 3.x. You might also want to install a recent ytnef from the sources in /usr/local/ (see https://github.com/Yeraze/ytnef/releases). Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From subscript at free.fr Thu Mar 22 16:41:51 2018 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:41:51 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws-mail on CentOS In-Reply-To: <20180322163524.0444006d@ladybug> References: <20180322005624.4ca6a26a.anmeyer@mailbox.org> <684425582.5637.1521714379275@office.mailbox.org> <20180322125718.3fe88a8f@ladybug> <1091752678.6200.1521722349680@office.mailbox.org> <1678316044.6457.1521724090243@office.mailbox.org> <0576FBD65CE8A11942D0183A@ritz.innovate.net> <389211513.6982.1521728006882@office.mailbox.org> <20180322163524.0444006d@ladybug> Message-ID: <20180322164151.5b5dd39c@ladybug> Hi, On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:35:24 +0100 wwp wrote: [snip] > > checking whether to build newmail plugin... yes > > checking whether to build notification plugin... yes > > checking whether to build pdf_viewer plugin... no > > configure: WARNING: "Plugin pdf_viewer will not be built; missing libpoppler-glib " > > checking whether to build perl plugin... no > > configure: WARNING: "Plugin perl will not be built; missing libperl " > > checking whether to build python plugin... no > > configure: WARNING: "Plugin python will not be built; missing python " > > checking whether to build pgpcore plugin... yes > > > > Disabled due to missing dependencies: > > - fancy > > - pdf_viewer > > - perl > > - python > > - vcalendar > > > > But python-devel-2.7.5-58.el7.x86_64 and perl-devel-5.16.3-292.el7.x86_64 are already installed. > > Also is libical-devel-1.0.1-1.el7.x86_64 > > For perl (based on what's installed here, I presume it's): > perl-devel > perl-Glib-devel > would you mind trying that? If more is needed, we'd need to dig into > the detail. > > For python (based on ..): > python-devel > but since you have it.. I don't remember what more is needed :-/, I > must admit that perl and python deps are often a nightmare since they > imply lots of packages, not always the same across distros, nothing > obvious. [snip] python-libs! Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If more is needed, we'd need to dig into > the detail. Strangely, I had the perl plugin disabled too. See, some configure's excerpts: checking for Perl compile flags... Can't locate ExtUtils/Embed.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .). BEGIN failed--compilation aborted. Can't locate ExtUtils/Embed.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .). BEGIN failed--compilation aborted. ok configure: Adding perl LIBS checking for perl_alloc in -lperl... no As root: yum install perl-ExtUtils-Embed Et voila. Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From removed-gdpr at example.com Thu Mar 22 16:57:12 2018 From: removed-gdpr at example.com (Removed GDPR) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:57:12 +0200 Subject: [Users] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: <20180322085911.5477cc37.shai@platonix.com> References: <1521582575.2259738.1310207696.435C1375@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180320230158.7e65402d@kujata> <20180321121929.000069d6@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> <20180321115148.6e12185e@kujata> <20180321213600.663425e2.shai@platonix.com> <20180322085911.5477cc37.shai@platonix.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 08:59:11 +0200 Shai Berger wrote: > Then why didn't you just use it again to provide the requested log, > while protecting your privacy? Because it sanitizes the log just partially, i.e. additional sanitizing is needed and I decided to rather use my time to try to find what's causing the issue (which the debug log doesn't seem to show) rather then merely observing the effect of it. Still - thanks for the script. -- George From lbickley at bickleywest.com Thu Mar 22 16:57:42 2018 From: lbickley at bickleywest.com (Lyle Bickley) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 08:57:42 -0700 Subject: [Users] Claws-mail on CentOS In-Reply-To: <20180322163524.0444006d@ladybug> References: <20180322005624.4ca6a26a.anmeyer@mailbox.org> <684425582.5637.1521714379275@office.mailbox.org> <20180322125718.3fe88a8f@ladybug> <1091752678.6200.1521722349680@office.mailbox.org> <1678316044.6457.1521724090243@office.mailbox.org> <0576FBD65CE8A11942D0183A@ritz.innovate.net> <389211513.6982.1521728006882@office.mailbox.org> <20180322163524.0444006d@ladybug> Message-ID: <20180322085742.03dbda06@asrock.bcwi.net> The procedure you have stated for compiling Claws from source for CentOS is exactly what I have used for years for OpenSUSE Linux. IMHO, a more "generic" version of this procedure, stating what libraries and version levels are required to build Claws, should be included in the Claws documentation under the title "How to Build Claws From Source". Cheers, Lyle On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:35:24 +0100 wwp wrote: > Hello Andreas, > > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 15:13:26 +0100 (CET) Andreas Meyer > wrote: > > > > Richard hat am 22. März 2018 > > > um 14:26 geschrieben: > > > > > > Are python and perl essential for claws-mail to work? There are > > > > other problems compiling with python and perl. > > > > > > > > > > Could you be more specific about your python and perl issues? Your > > > centos system will have python (it's integral to some system > > > management aspects, and updating it has to be done with great > > > care). I believe that base perl is also installed by default. > > > > > > You may need development libraries that don't get installed by > > > default. > > > > checking whether to build newmail plugin... yes > > checking whether to build notification plugin... yes > > checking whether to build pdf_viewer plugin... no > > configure: WARNING: "Plugin pdf_viewer will not be built; missing > > libpoppler-glib " checking whether to build perl plugin... no > > configure: WARNING: "Plugin perl will not be built; missing libperl > > " checking whether to build python plugin... no > > configure: WARNING: "Plugin python will not be built; missing > > python " checking whether to build pgpcore plugin... yes > > > > Disabled due to missing dependencies: > > - fancy > > - pdf_viewer > > - perl > > - python > > - vcalendar > > > > But python-devel-2.7.5-58.el7.x86_64 and > > perl-devel-5.16.3-292.el7.x86_64 are already installed. Also is > > libical-devel-1.0.1-1.el7.x86_64 > > For perl (based on what's installed here, I presume it's): > perl-devel > perl-Glib-devel > would you mind trying that? If more is needed, we'd need to dig into > the detail. > > For python (based on ..): > python-devel > but since you have it.. I don't remember what more is needed :-/, I > must admit that perl and python deps are often a nightmare since they > imply lots of packages, not always the same across distros, nothing > obvious. > > For fancy: > webkitgtk-devel > you might want to check how the RPM for centos is build and what are > its dependencies, for instance: > https://centos.pkgs.org/7/epel-testing-x86_64/claws-mail-plugins-fancy-3.11.1-5.el7.x86_64.rpm.html > there, you can see that it 'requires' libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0()(64bit), > which is: > https://centos.pkgs.org/7/epel-x86_64/webkitgtk-2.4.9-1.el7.x86_64.rpm.html > (install the -devel one). > > For pdf_viewer: > poppler-devel > and probably compat-poppler022-glib, if what I see at: > https://centos.pkgs.org/7/epel-testing-x86_64/claws-mail-plugins-pdf-viewer-3.11.1-5.el7.x86_64.rpm.html > leads me to : > https://centos.pkgs.org/7/centos-x86_64/compat-poppler022-glib-0.22.5-4.el7.x86_64.rpm.html > > You might want to install libical 2.0.0 from the sources, for > vcalendar, see https://github.com/libical/libical/releases. I didn't > try the 3.x. > > You might also want to install a recent ytnef from the sources > in /usr/local/ (see https://github.com/Yeraze/ytnef/releases). > > > Regards, > -- 73 AF6WS Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" From anmeyer at mailbox.org Thu Mar 22 17:18:30 2018 From: anmeyer at mailbox.org (Andreas Meyer) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:18:30 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws-mail on CentOS In-Reply-To: <20180322165645.254e55d6@ladybug> References: <20180322005624.4ca6a26a.anmeyer@mailbox.org> <684425582.5637.1521714379275@office.mailbox.org> <20180322125718.3fe88a8f@ladybug> <1091752678.6200.1521722349680@office.mailbox.org> <1678316044.6457.1521724090243@office.mailbox.org> <0576FBD65CE8A11942D0183A@ritz.innovate.net> <389211513.6982.1521728006882@office.mailbox.org> <20180322163524.0444006d@ladybug> <20180322165645.254e55d6@ladybug> Message-ID: <20180322171830.7ee8b49f.anmeyer@mailbox.org> wwp schrieb am 22.03.18 um 16:56:45 Uhr: > On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:35:24 +0100 wwp wrote: > > [snip] > > > But python-devel-2.7.5-58.el7.x86_64 and perl-devel-5.16.3-292.el7.x86_64 are already installed. > > > Also is libical-devel-1.0.1-1.el7.x86_64 > > > > For perl (based on what's installed here, I presume it's): > > perl-devel > > perl-Glib-devel > > would you mind trying that? If more is needed, we'd need to dig into > > the detail. > > Strangely, I had the perl plugin disabled too. > See, some configure's excerpts: > > checking for Perl compile flags... Can't locate ExtUtils/Embed.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .). > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted. > Can't locate ExtUtils/Embed.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .). > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted. > ok > configure: Adding perl LIBS > checking for perl_alloc in -lperl... no > > As root: yum install perl-ExtUtils-Embed > Et voila. Thank you for your suggestions! I will try all that stuff this evening, when I got the time. 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From anmeyer at mailbox.org Thu Mar 22 22:46:44 2018 From: anmeyer at mailbox.org (Andreas Meyer) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 22:46:44 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws-mail on CentOS In-Reply-To: <20180322165645.254e55d6@ladybug> References: <20180322005624.4ca6a26a.anmeyer@mailbox.org> <684425582.5637.1521714379275@office.mailbox.org> <20180322125718.3fe88a8f@ladybug> <1091752678.6200.1521722349680@office.mailbox.org> <1678316044.6457.1521724090243@office.mailbox.org> <0576FBD65CE8A11942D0183A@ritz.innovate.net> <389211513.6982.1521728006882@office.mailbox.org> <20180322163524.0444006d@ladybug> <20180322165645.254e55d6@ladybug> Message-ID: <20180322224644.6641c0da@workstation.bitcorner.intern> Am Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:56:45 +0100 schrieb wwp : > > > But python-devel-2.7.5-58.el7.x86_64 and > > > perl-devel-5.16.3-292.el7.x86_64 are already installed. Also is > > > libical-devel-1.0.1-1.el7.x86_64 > > > > For perl (based on what's installed here, I presume it's): > > perl-devel > > perl-Glib-devel > > would you mind trying that? If more is needed, we'd need to dig into > > the detail. > > Strangely, I had the perl plugin disabled too. > See, some configure's excerpts: > > checking for Perl compile flags... Can't locate ExtUtils/Embed.pm in > @INC (@INC > contains: /usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .). > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted. Can't locate ExtUtils/Embed.pm in > @INC (@INC > contains: /usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .). > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted. ok configure: Adding perl LIBS > checking for perl_alloc in -lperl... no > > As root: yum install perl-ExtUtils-Embed > Et voila. Fine! That did work out! Disabled due to missing dependencies: - fancy - pdf_viewer - python - vcalendar I don't think I need the disabled ones. Tried all that stuff. Claws-mail 3.16 is working just fine at the moment. Have to do configuration now. Kind regards Andreas From subscript at free.fr Thu Mar 22 23:02:17 2018 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 23:02:17 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws-mail on CentOS In-Reply-To: <20180322224644.6641c0da@workstation.bitcorner.intern> References: <20180322005624.4ca6a26a.anmeyer@mailbox.org> <684425582.5637.1521714379275@office.mailbox.org> <20180322125718.3fe88a8f@ladybug> <1091752678.6200.1521722349680@office.mailbox.org> <1678316044.6457.1521724090243@office.mailbox.org> <0576FBD65CE8A11942D0183A@ritz.innovate.net> <389211513.6982.1521728006882@office.mailbox.org> <20180322163524.0444006d@ladybug> <20180322165645.254e55d6@ladybug> <20180322224644.6641c0da@workstation.bitcorner.intern> Message-ID: <20180322230217.148a2105@ladybug> Hello Andreas, On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 22:46:44 +0100 Andreas Meyer wrote: > Am Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:56:45 +0100 schrieb wwp : > > > > > But python-devel-2.7.5-58.el7.x86_64 and > > > > perl-devel-5.16.3-292.el7.x86_64 are already installed. Also is > > > > libical-devel-1.0.1-1.el7.x86_64 > > > > > > For perl (based on what's installed here, I presume it's): > > > perl-devel > > > perl-Glib-devel > > > would you mind trying that? If more is needed, we'd need to dig into > > > the detail. > > > > Strangely, I had the perl plugin disabled too. > > See, some configure's excerpts: > > > > checking for Perl compile flags... Can't locate ExtUtils/Embed.pm in > > @INC (@INC > > contains: /usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .). > > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted. Can't locate ExtUtils/Embed.pm in > > @INC (@INC > > contains: /usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib64/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 .). > > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted. ok configure: Adding perl LIBS > > checking for perl_alloc in -lperl... no > > > > As root: yum install perl-ExtUtils-Embed > > Et voila. > > Fine! That did work out! Glad to hear that! > Disabled due to missing dependencies: > - fancy > - pdf_viewer > - python > - vcalendar > > I don't think I need the disabled ones. Tried all that stuff. Claws-mail > 3.16 is working just fine at the moment. Have to do configuration now. Well, if you don't need to visualize HTML emails or PDF attachments, which are quite common, you don't need the two first ones. If you need them, I already provided some detail to get the dependencies installed. Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From anmeyer at mailbox.org Fri Mar 23 00:35:30 2018 From: anmeyer at mailbox.org (Andreas Meyer) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 00:35:30 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws-mail on CentOS In-Reply-To: <20180322230217.148a2105@ladybug> References: <20180322005624.4ca6a26a.anmeyer@mailbox.org> <684425582.5637.1521714379275@office.mailbox.org> <20180322125718.3fe88a8f@ladybug> <1091752678.6200.1521722349680@office.mailbox.org> <1678316044.6457.1521724090243@office.mailbox.org> <0576FBD65CE8A11942D0183A@ritz.innovate.net> <389211513.6982.1521728006882@office.mailbox.org> <20180322163524.0444006d@ladybug> <20180322165645.254e55d6@ladybug> <20180322224644.6641c0da@workstation.bitcorner.intern> <20180322230217.148a2105@ladybug> Message-ID: <20180323003517.74ec124a@workstation.bitcorner.intern> Am Thu, 22 Mar 2018 23:02:17 +0100 schrieb wwp : > > Disabled due to missing dependencies: > > - fancy > > - pdf_viewer > > - python > > - vcalendar > > > > I don't think I need the disabled ones. Tried all that stuff. > > Claws-mail 3.16 is working just fine at the moment. Have to do > > configuration now. > > Well, if you don't need to visualize HTML emails or PDF attachments, > which are quite common, you don't need the two first ones. If you need > them, I already provided some detail to get the dependencies > installed. Yes! I am sure I come back to this if I find the time in the next days. For now with the state claws-mail is in, I have all I need. Kind regards Andreas From bleketux at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 05:01:00 2018 From: bleketux at gmail.com (M. Sulchan Darmawan) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:01:00 +0700 Subject: [Users] Filtering rule with exception Message-ID: <20180323110100.5fab543c@mc33> Hi there, I would like to filter every message from @domain.com and move it to promotion folder, except from someone at domain.com should stay at inbox. How should I do? Thanks. Sulchan From subscript at free.fr Fri Mar 23 08:03:21 2018 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 08:03:21 +0100 Subject: [Users] Filtering rule with exception In-Reply-To: <20180323110100.5fab543c@mc33> References: <20180323110100.5fab543c@mc33> Message-ID: <20180323080321.63eb9c24@ladybug> Hello M., On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:01:00 +0700 "M. Sulchan Darmawan" wrote: > Hi there, > > I would like to filter every message from @domain.com and move it to > promotion folder, except from someone at domain.com should stay at inbox. > > How should I do? Maybe something like: condition: from matchcase "@domain.com" & ~from matchcase "someone at domain.com" action: move "#mh/Mail/promotionfolder" Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org Fri Mar 23 12:12:35 2018 From: jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org (Jeremy Nicoll) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:12:35 +0000 Subject: [Users] Filtering rule with exception In-Reply-To: <20180323110100.5fab543c@mc33> References: <20180323110100.5fab543c@mc33> Message-ID: <1521803555.3232364.1313425304.6FA651D7@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Fri, 23 Mar 2018, at 04:01, M. Sulchan Darmawan wrote: > Hi there, > > I would like to filter every message from @domain.com and move it to > promotion folder, except from someone at domain.com should stay at inbox. Probably by defining a filter rule that explicitly deals with the someone@ instance forcing it into Inbox, and following it with another filter rule that says anything @domain.com should go to the promotion folder. Because the someone@ emails will be processed by the earlier filter rule they wll not be considered for the following rule. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 23 12:52:02 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:52:02 +0000 Subject: [Users] Filtering rule with exception In-Reply-To: <1521803555.3232364.1313425304.6FA651D7@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <20180323110100.5fab543c@mc33> <1521803555.3232364.1313425304.6FA651D7@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20180323115202.6656554c@kujata> On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:12:35 +0000 Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > Probably by defining a filter rule that explicitly deals with the > someone@ instance forcing it into Inbox, and following it with > another filter rule that says anything @domain.com should go to the > promotion folder. No, it's like wwp said. You don't force it into the Inbox, because that's is where it will stay if it is not filtered. with regards Paul From shai at platonix.com Sat Mar 24 11:27:16 2018 From: shai at platonix.com (Shai Berger) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:27:16 +0300 Subject: [Users] Filtering rule with exception In-Reply-To: <20180323115202.6656554c@kujata> References: <20180323110100.5fab543c@mc33> <1521803555.3232364.1313425304.6FA651D7@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180323115202.6656554c@kujata> Message-ID: <20180324132716.52d1b069.shai@platonix.com> On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:52:02 +0000 Paul wrote: > On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:12:35 +0000 > Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > > > Probably by defining a filter rule that explicitly deals with the > > someone@ instance forcing it into Inbox, and following it with > > another filter rule that says anything @domain.com should go to the > > promotion folder. > > No, it's like wwp said. > > You don't force it into the Inbox, because that's is where it will > stay if it is not filtered. > I think the rule Jeremy suggested would actually work, because "move" is a "final action" -- after a "move" action, no more filters are applied. So a "move" which doesn't actually move may be used to stop processing and prevent a later rule from moving these messages. However, there's an explicit action "stop" if that's the way you want to achieve this; using "stop" would be more explicit, and more robust, because completely ignoring a move-to-the-same-folder action seems like a sensible thing to do, and something Claws-Mail might do in a future version, if it doesn't already. My 2 cents, Shai. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Mar 24 11:45:07 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 10:45:07 +0000 Subject: [Users] Filtering rule with exception In-Reply-To: <20180324132716.52d1b069.shai@platonix.com> References: <20180323110100.5fab543c@mc33> <1521803555.3232364.1313425304.6FA651D7@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180323115202.6656554c@kujata> <20180324132716.52d1b069.shai@platonix.com> Message-ID: <20180324104507.7e27a4f1@kujata> On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:27:16 +0300 Shai Berger wrote: > I think the rule Jeremy suggested would actually work, because > "move" is a "final action" -- after a "move" action, no more > filters are applied. Well, yes. But, imo, it's a much better idea to keep it in one single filter item - in the first place, and many months down the line. Why make it unnecessarily complicated? The two rules are supposed to work together, so keep them together. with regards Paul From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Mar 24 13:39:33 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 12:39:33 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3995] New: "Replied" button works incorrectly Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3995 Bug ID: 3995 Summary: "Replied" button works incorrectly Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Windows 10 Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P3 Component: UI/Message List Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: kacmalina at gmail.com When replied to a mail which is on account X using account Y, so reply is in Y's sent folder, clicking on Replied button in message list of X it looks for this reply in X's sent folder. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Mar 24 14:08:30 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:08:30 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3995] "Replied" button works incorrectly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3995 --- Comment #1 from Paul --- what do you mean by 'a mail which is on account X', do you mean a mailbox, (perhaps an IMAP mailbox)? Do you have the 'automatic account selection' option set? (/Configuration/Preferences/Compose/Writing) Is the mail addressed to account X (To or Cc header)? What are your settings in the 'Folder' frame of the Advanced page of the Account Preferences? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Mar 24 14:19:02 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:19:02 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3995] "Replied" button works incorrectly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3995 --- Comment #2 from Kacper Malina --- Yup, I mean mailbox. Both are IMAP mailboxes. I do, but I've switched the account on purpose. Email is addressed to mailbox X (also account X) and I reply with account Y. As for Advanced tab, there's nothing there. Well, following behavior is expected since clicking on replied button in message list looks for mails in sent folder of mailbox where button has been clicked, but it can be misleading. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Mar 24 15:28:18 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 14:28:18 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3995] "Replied" button works incorrectly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3995 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #3 from Paul --- That's not a bug, that's how the reply-finder feature works, it looks in the current mailbox's Sent folder(s). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From charles at stremen.xs4all.nl Sat Mar 24 17:14:03 2018 From: charles at stremen.xs4all.nl (Charles Stroom) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:14:03 +0100 Subject: [Users] Setting colors to folder names Message-ID: <20180324171403.45ac4dfe@fiume7.localnet> Hi, newby on this mailing list but a long-time user of claws mail. A simple user that is, just for reading and sending email. And this is my first post here, so it might have been discussed already, but it is rather complicated to search old postings. Long time ago, I have managed to set the color to some specific folder names (like "Drafts", etc), but I couldn't remember how I have done it. At present I have found that in folderitemrc (in ~/.claws-mail) there are entries for the folders and one of the options is the option "folder_color=", which usually is 0 (black), but has a value like folder_color=15607821 for a red colored folder (probably set by me in the past). 1670426 seems to be representing green. I have 2 questions. - what color code is used here? It is not RGB in decimal or hex. - the strange thing is that not all (sub)folders in folderitemrc are present. Sometimes sub-folders are present, but not the parent. For example an entry [#mh/Mailbox/mailinglists/mailman-l] is there, but not [#mh/Mailbox/mailinglists]. "Drafts" is also missing, although it has a specific color. But there are also entries for folders which are in fact not existing any more. Could this be explained? Are there other places to look besides ~/.claws-mail? Thanks, Charles -- Charles Stroom email: charles at no-spam.stremen.xs4all.nl (remove the "no-spam.") From brad at fineby.me.uk Sat Mar 24 17:38:31 2018 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 16:38:31 +0000 Subject: [Users] Setting colors to folder names In-Reply-To: <20180324171403.45ac4dfe@fiume7.localnet> References: <20180324171403.45ac4dfe@fiume7.localnet> Message-ID: <20180324163831.2089ed86@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:14:03 +0100 Charles Stroom wrote: Hello Charles, >Long time ago, I have managed to set the color to some specific folder >names (like "Drafts", etc), but I couldn't remember how I have done it. Right click on the folder; Folder colour is in the "General" settings, which appears. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Black man got a lot of problems, but he don't mind throwing a brick White Riot - The Clash -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From francois.ochsenbein at gmail.com Sat Mar 24 18:27:56 2018 From: francois.ochsenbein at gmail.com (Francois Ochsenbein) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:27:56 +0100 Subject: [Users] Setting colors to folder names In-Reply-To: <20180324171403.45ac4dfe@fiume7.localnet> References: <20180324171403.45ac4dfe@fiume7.localnet> Message-ID: <20180324182756.2d0621a8@pi3> Hi, The number 15607821 represents a kind of red (=hex EE280D) and 1670426 (=hex 197D1A) should is green... François ==> Le samedi 2018-03-24 à 17:14+0100, Charles Stroom a écrit: >Hi, > >newby on this mailing list but a long-time user of claws mail. A >simple user that is, just for reading and sending email. And this is >my first post here, so it might have been discussed already, but it is >rather complicated to search old postings. > >Long time ago, I have managed to set the color to some specific folder >names (like "Drafts", etc), but I couldn't remember how I have done it. >At present I have found that in folderitemrc (in ~/.claws-mail) there >are entries for the folders and one of the options is the option >"folder_color=", which usually is 0 (black), but has a value like >folder_color=15607821 for a red colored folder (probably set by me in >the past). 1670426 seems to be representing green. I have 2 questions. >- what color code is used here? It is not RGB in decimal or hex. >- the strange thing is that not all (sub)folders in folderitemrc are > present. Sometimes sub-folders are present, but not the parent. For > example an entry [#mh/Mailbox/mailinglists/mailman-l] is there, but > not [#mh/Mailbox/mailinglists]. "Drafts" is also missing, although it > has a specific color. But there are also entries for folders > which are in fact not existing any more. Could this be explained? > Are there other places to look besides ~/.claws-mail? > >Thanks, Charles > > > -- ====================================================================== Francois Ochsenbein --- 6, rue des Vosges -- 67380 Lingolsheim ochsenbein at evc.net --- francois.ochsenbein at gmail.com +33 (0)388 77 81 17 --- +33 (0)602 39 60 78 ====================================================================== From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Mar 24 20:10:45 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:10:45 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3996] New: Fancy plug-in won't load Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3996 Bug ID: 3996 Summary: Fancy plug-in won't load Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail (Windows) Version: GIT Hardware: PC OS: Windows 10 Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: default Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: pigsoverhead-bugzilla at yahoo.com This is on the Win10-64 version. Despite the dll being in the correct place (c:\Program Files\Claws Mail\lib\claws-mail\plugins\fancy.dll and running with Administrator rights the program reports The following error occurred while loading fancy.dll: 'C:\Program Files\Claws Mail\lib\claws-mail\plugins\fancy.dll’: The specified module could not be found. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Mar 24 20:47:04 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:47:04 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3996] Fancy plug-in won't load In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3996 --- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian --- You need to download the Microsoft Visual C++ Redistributable, which contains the missing msvcr100.dll file. 32 bit Windows: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=5555 64 bit Windows: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=14632 That said, I have no idea why this is needed all of a sudden. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From dave at howorth.org.uk Sat Mar 24 21:41:03 2018 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 20:41:03 +0000 Subject: [Users] Setting colors to folder names In-Reply-To: <20180324163831.2089ed86@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <20180324171403.45ac4dfe@fiume7.localnet> <20180324163831.2089ed86@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: <20180324204103.41952b05@acer-suse.lan> On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 16:38:31 +0000 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:14:03 +0100 > Charles Stroom wrote: > > Hello Charles, > > >Long time ago, I have managed to set the color to some specific > >folder names (like "Drafts", etc), but I couldn't remember how I > >have done it. > > Right click on the folder; Folder colour is in the "General" > settings, which appears. You mean it is on the General tab of the dialog that pops up when you click on the Properties meu entry, I think. From charles at stremen.xs4all.nl Sun Mar 25 00:04:52 2018 From: charles at stremen.xs4all.nl (Charles Stroom) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 00:04:52 +0100 Subject: [Users] Setting colors to folder names In-Reply-To: <20180324204103.41952b05@acer-suse.lan> References: <20180324171403.45ac4dfe@fiume7.localnet> <20180324163831.2089ed86@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20180324204103.41952b05@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20180325000452.2c82acee@fiume7.localnet> Thank you, stupid me, I overlooked something which was blatantly clear, even though I looked several times at the properties. Problem solved. But still this question: I can see the complete tree of folders in folderlist.xml, but this is only the tree, no properties. There is also the tree in folderitemrc and in this file properties of the folders are specified, such as color. But the tree in folderitemrc is not complete. Amongst others, there is no entry for the draft folder, hence no color= option. Nevertheless, the folder color is blue, not the default black. How come? Charles On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 20:41:03 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote: > On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 16:38:31 +0000 > Brad Rogers wrote: > > > On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:14:03 +0100 > > Charles Stroom wrote: > > > > Hello Charles, > > > > >Long time ago, I have managed to set the color to some specific > > >folder names (like "Drafts", etc), but I couldn't remember how I > > >have done it. > > > > Right click on the folder; Folder colour is in the "General" > > settings, which appears. > > You mean it is on the General tab of the dialog that pops up when you > click on the Properties meu entry, I think. > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > -- Charles Stroom email: charles at no-spam.stremen.xs4all.nl (remove the "no-spam.") From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Mar 25 00:54:17 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 23:54:17 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3996] Fancy plug-in won't load In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3996 --- Comment #2 from pigsoverhead-bugzilla at yahoo.com --- Thanks, that worked a treat ! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From brad at fineby.me.uk Sun Mar 25 07:03:23 2018 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 06:03:23 +0100 Subject: [Users] Setting colors to folder names In-Reply-To: <20180324204103.41952b05@acer-suse.lan> References: <20180324171403.45ac4dfe@fiume7.localnet> <20180324163831.2089ed86@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20180324204103.41952b05@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20180325060323.1fa5698f@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 20:41:03 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote: Hello Dave, >You mean it is on the General tab of the dialog that pops up when you >click on the Properties meu entry, I think. Indeed I do - fingers type faster than my brain thinks. :-( -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" You couldn't find your feet, if you were looking for them I Don't Like You - Stiff Little Fingers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anyone know how one is supposed to import a list of feeds into Claws with RSSyl? -- Respectfully, Denis Shadrin From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Mar 25 15:19:00 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 14:19:00 +0100 Subject: [Users] Importing feed list In-Reply-To: <20180325160027.4c7a7be9@manjaro> References: <20180325160027.4c7a7be9@manjaro> Message-ID: <20180325141900.46ad4167@kujata> On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 16:00:27 +0300 Denis wrote: > I am subscribed to a lot of feeds via Bamboo reader, so I don't > want to add them one by one to Claws Mail. And RSSyl plugin does > have an option "Import feed list...", but when I choose it, I can't > pick the file with feeds exported from Bamboo reader. Does RSSyl > require that the file be not in OPML but in some other format? Does > anyone know how one is supposed to import a list of feeds into > Claws with RSSyl? When you click 'import feed list...' the resultant dialogue's title is "Select an OPML file". You say you can't pick the file, but what is stopping you from picking the file? with regards Paul From den_ml at posteo.de Sun Mar 25 15:41:55 2018 From: den_ml at posteo.de (Denis) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 16:41:55 +0300 Subject: [Users] Importing feed list In-Reply-To: <20180325141900.46ad4167@kujata> References: <20180325160027.4c7a7be9@manjaro> <20180325141900.46ad4167@kujata> Message-ID: <20180325164155.0dde3355@manjaro> On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 14:19:00 +0100 Paul wrote: > On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 16:00:27 +0300 > Denis wrote: > > > I am subscribed to a lot of feeds via Bamboo reader, so I don't > > want to add them one by one to Claws Mail. And RSSyl plugin does > > have an option "Import feed list...", but when I choose it, I can't > > pick the file with feeds exported from Bamboo reader. Does RSSyl > > require that the file be not in OPML but in some other format? Does > > anyone know how one is supposed to import a list of feeds into > > Claws with RSSyl? > > When you click 'import feed list...' the resultant dialogue's title > is "Select an OPML file". > > You say you can't pick the file, but what is stopping you from picking > the file? > > with regards > > Paul It is not displayed in the file picker. Wait, I didn't think to check it, but turns out Bamboo reader appends "xml" suffix to the file to which it exports the feeds! I should have thought about it, just didn't expect that the file suffix would matter, especially since OPML is a subset of XML anyway. I changed the suffix to opml, the file became visible in the file picker, and the feeds are being imported as I write this message :) Thanks, you made me think! :) -- Respectfully, Denis Shadrin From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 09:45:17 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 07:45:17 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3997] New: Date is not translated when you reply to a mail Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3997 Bug ID: 3997 Summary: Date is not translated when you reply to a mail Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.15.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI/Translations Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: marius.spix at web.de When you reply to a mail, a text in the form On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:05:19 +0000 Anna wrote: is put in the response mail which is Am Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:05:19 +0000 schrieb Anna : in the German localization of Claws Mail (on Linux), however, the name of the month is not correctly translated to German. It must say "Mrz" instead of "Mar". The German short month names are: Jan, Feb, Mrz, Apr, Mai, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Okt, Nov, Dez As they only differ in four months ("Mar" -> "Mrz", "May" -> "Mai", "Oct" -> "Okt", "Dec" -> "Dez"), the bug does not always occur. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 10:12:16 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 08:12:16 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3997] Date is not translated when you reply to a mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3997 --- Comment #1 from marius.spix at web.de --- And there is also a missing dots after the day of the month and the month. Valid date formats in German are: Montag, den 5. Januar 2018 Montag, 5. Januar 2018 Mo., den 5. Januar 2018 Mo., 5. Januar 2018 5. Januar 2018 5. Jan. 2018 05.01.2018 05.01.18 2018-01-05 18-01-05 Instead of Mrz., Jun., Jul. you can also write März, Juni, Juli. The days of the week are also not correctly translated, they must be: Mo., Di., Mi., Do., Fr., Sa., So. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 10:26:56 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 08:26:56 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3998] New: it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3998 Bug ID: 3998 Summary: it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: major Priority: P3 Component: Folders/IMAP Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: thomas.a.kaeding at gmail.com Something is different. Maybe my gnutls library. However, the same versions of libetpan and claws-mail work on my old system, but give the error "cannot STARTTLS" and "stream error" on my new system. I have tried 3.13.2 and 3.16.0 with libetpan 1.6 and 1.8. All combinations give such an error on the system with gnutls 3.6.0. However, 3.13.2 with libetpan 1.6 and gnutls 3.2.12.1 still works. The SMTP server is the same one in all cases. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 10:43:00 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 08:43:00 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3998] it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3998 --- Comment #1 from Paul --- This is a bug tracker, not a help forum. Please use either the users' mailing list or the #claws IRC on freenode. Details there: http://www.claws-mail.org/MLs.php -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 10:46:53 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 08:46:53 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3998] it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3998 --- Comment #2 from thomas.a.kaeding at gmail.com --- * Account 'quaillake': Connecting to IMAP server: quaillake.duckdns.org:143... [04:45:23] IMAP< * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE IDLE STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] Dovecot ready. [04:45:23] IMAP> 1 STARTTLS [04:45:23] IMAP< 1 OK Begin TLS negotiation now. ** IMAP error on quaillake.duckdns.org: stream error ** IMAP connection broken ** Can't start STARTTLS session. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 10:50:13 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 08:50:13 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3998] it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3998 --- Comment #3 from thomas.a.kaeding at gmail.com --- openssl s_client -host quaillake.duckdns.org -port 993 does not give any errors. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 10:51:22 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 08:51:22 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3998] it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3998 --- Comment #4 from thomas.a.kaeding at gmail.com --- I think it's a bug -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 11:03:36 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:03:36 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3997] Date is not translated when you reply to a mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3997 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #2 from Paul --- You don't say what you are using in your Template(s) to produce that line. Use %date_fmt{fmt}, e.g. %date_fmt{%c}. %c is "The preferred date and time representation for the current locale", coming from your system, (strftime), and not claws-mail. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From thomas.a.kaeding at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 11:05:47 2018 From: thomas.a.kaeding at gmail.com (thomas kaeding) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 05:05:47 -0400 Subject: [Users] cannot use claws mail any more (tls errors) Message-ID: Hi, everyone. I am told that this is not a bug, but is a support issue. I have tried four setups for claws mail: Version 3.13.2 with libetpan 1.6 and gnutls 3.2.12.1 (works fine). Version 3.13.2 with libetpan 1.6 and gnutls 3.6.0 (ERROR). Version 3.16.0 with libetpan 1.6 and gnutls 3.6.0 (ERROR). Version 3.16.0 with libetpan 1.8 and gnutls 3.6.0 (ERROR). The error is 04:57:26] IMAP< 1 OK Begin TLS negotiation now. ** IMAP error on quaillake.duckdns.org: stream error ** IMAP connection broken ** Can't start STARTTLS session. openssl s_client -host quaillake.duckdns.org -port 993 reports that the certificate is expired, but no other error. The first setup in my list sees that the cert is expired and gives me a dialog box allowing me to accept it any. The other three setups just throw errors. -- Thomas Kaeding my public key: http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x81B0FCA32599BE6F From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 11:08:27 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:08:27 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3998] it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3998 --- Comment #5 from Paul --- claws-mail does not use openssl, it use gnutls. Try it from the command line using gnutls-cli. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 13:21:31 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 11:21:31 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3998] it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3998 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #6 from Paul --- gnutls 3.6.0 is listed as 'next stable' on the gnutls site, i.e. it is not yet stable. It would appear that here is the root of the problem. I tested with the current stable release of gnutls and there was no problem. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 14:59:45 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 12:59:45 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3998] it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3998 thomas.a.kaeding at gmail.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|INVALID |--- --- Comment #7 from thomas.a.kaeding at gmail.com --- Nope. Just built gnutls 3.5.18, and the same error occurs. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 16:26:04 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 14:26:04 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3998] it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3998 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|major |normal --- Comment #8 from Paul --- I am using gnutls 3.5.18 without problems. Did you try the gnutls commandline tool? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 16:55:21 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 14:55:21 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3998] it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3998 --- Comment #9 from thomas.a.kaeding at gmail.com --- This is what I got, even after generating a new self-signed certificate for dovecot: - Status: The certificate is NOT trusted. The certificate issuer is unknown. The name in the certificate does not match the expected. *** PKI verification of server certificate failed... *** Fatal error: Error in the certificate. *** handshake has failed: Error in the certificate. Furthermore, the old claws-mail STILL WORKS in spite of this. GNUTLS "down"graded to stable 3.5.18 already. New claws-mail says: This message can't be displayed. This is probably due to a network error. Use 'Network Log' in the Tools menu for more information. Network log says: [10:50:28] IMAP< * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE IDLE STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] Dovecot ready. [10:50:28] IMAP> 1 STARTTLS [10:50:28] IMAP< 1 OK Begin TLS negotiation now. ** IMAP error on quaillake.duckdns.org: stream error ** IMAP connection broken ** Can't start STARTTLS session. OLD claws-mail network log (no errors): [10:51:24] IMAP4< * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE IDLE STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] Dovecot ready. [10:51:24] IMAP4> 1 STARTTLS [10:51:24] IMAP4< 1 OK Begin TLS negotiation now. * IMAP connection is un-authenticated [10:51:34] IMAP4> 2 CAPABILITY [10:51:34] IMAP4< * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE IDLE AUTH=PLAIN [10:51:34] IMAP4< 2 OK Pre-login capabilities listed, post-login capabilities have more. [10:51:34] IMAP4> Logging kaeding to quaillake.duckdns.org using LOGIN [10:51:34] IMAP4< Logged in [10:51:34] IMAP4< Login to quaillake.duckdns.org successful [10:51:34] IMAP4> 4 LIST "" "" [10:51:34] IMAP4< * LIST (\Noselect) "/" "" [10:51:34] IMAP4< 4 OK List completed (0.000 + 0.000 secs). [10:51:34] IMAP4> 5 STATUS INBOX (MESSAGES UIDNEXT UIDVALIDITY UNSEEN) [10:51:34] IMAP4< * STATUS INBOX (MESSAGES 36 UIDNEXT 37 UIDVALIDITY 1522128198 UNSEEN 11) [10:51:34] IMAP4< 5 OK Status completed (0.000 + 0.000 secs). [10:51:34] IMAP4> 6 SELECT INBOX [10:51:44] IMAP4< * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Draft) [10:51:44] IMAP4< * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Draft \*)] Flags permitted. [10:51:44] IMAP4< * 36 EXISTS [10:51:44] IMAP4< * 0 RECENT [10:51:44] IMAP4< * OK [UNSEEN 16] First unseen. [10:51:44] IMAP4< * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1522128198] UIDs valid [10:51:44] IMAP4< * OK [UIDNEXT 37] Predicted next UID [10:51:44] IMAP4< * OK [HIGHESTMODSEQ 43] Highest [10:51:44] IMAP4< 6 OK [READ-WRITE] Select completed (0.000 + 0.000 secs). [10:51:44] IMAP4- [fetching flags...] [10:51:44] IMAP4> 7 UID FETCH 1:* (FLAGS UID) [10:51:44] IMAP4< [FETCH data - 1024 bytes] [10:51:44] IMAP4< [FETCH data - 207 bytes] -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 17:09:30 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 15:09:30 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3998] it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3998 --- Comment #10 from Paul --- That sounds reminiscent of this: http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2018-March/021338.html -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 17:14:04 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 15:14:04 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3998] it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3998 --- Comment #11 from thomas.a.kaeding at gmail.com --- Nope. I have dovecot 2.2.24 And the old version of claws-mail breaks when I compile it on the new system. It still works from my old system. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From ticho at claws-mail.org Tue Mar 27 17:27:18 2018 From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:27:18 +0200 Subject: [Users] cannot use claws mail any more (tls errors) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180327172718.6d28fd9c@penny> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 05:05:47 -0400 thomas kaeding wrote: > openssl s_client -host quaillake.duckdns.org -port 993 > reports that the certificate is expired, but no other error. > The first setup in my list sees that the cert is expired and > gives me a dialog box allowing me to accept it any. The > other three setups just throw errors. As was already pointed out in the bugzilla report you opened, Claws Mail does not use OpenSSL. Try the connection with gnutls-cli to get a closer approximation to what Claws Mail does. There is also discrepancy between the port you use in Claws Mail (143 with STARTTLS, according to the debug log excerpt you posted to the bug), and port you are using for the openssl s_client command (993). That is not where your problem lies, though. Your problem seems to be in the fact that the certificate the server is using does not match the hostname used. It is issued for "imap.example.com", and GnuTLS seems to be more strict about that than OpenSSL. Both of these commands fail over here, because of this. gnutls-cli --starttls-proto=imap quaillake.duckdns.org:143 gnutls-cli quaillake.duckdns.org:993 Regards, -- Andrej -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From lane at duphy4.physics.drexel.edu Tue Mar 27 17:27:07 2018 From: lane at duphy4.physics.drexel.edu (Charles Lane) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 10:27:07 -0500 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3998] New: it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180327102707.073f24f0@wombat5> Relevant email: http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2018-February/020887.html It's a libetpan bug. -- Chuck Lane Drexel Univ. =]--p-|<≡π*π*π*~ν~~~ν~~~ν~~~ν FNAL x5484 \-µ-µ-µ-[*e] lane at duphy4.physics.drexel.edu From ticho at claws-mail.org Tue Mar 27 17:35:26 2018 From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:35:26 +0200 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3998] New: it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) In-Reply-To: <20180327102707.073f24f0@wombat5> References: <20180327102707.073f24f0@wombat5> Message-ID: <20180327173526.29b92c56@penny> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 10:27:07 -0500 Charles Lane wrote: > Relevant email: > http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2018-February/020887.html > > It's a libetpan bug. Not relevant at all, sorry. This has nothing to do with client certificates, but rather in initial TLS handshake between client and server. Regards, -- Andrej -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rol at witbe.net Tue Mar 27 17:44:01 2018 From: rol at witbe.net (Paul Rolland (=?UTF-8?B?44Od44O844Or44O744Ot44Op44Oz?=)) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:44:01 +0200 Subject: [Users] cannot use claws mail any more (tls errors) In-Reply-To: <20180327172718.6d28fd9c@penny> References: <20180327172718.6d28fd9c@penny> Message-ID: <20180327174401.055e8170@riri.DEF.witbe.net> Hello, On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:27:18 +0200 Andrej Kacian wrote: > Your problem seems to be in the fact that the certificate the server is > using does not match the hostname used. It is issued for > "imap.example.com", and GnuTLS seems to be more strict about that than > OpenSSL. Both of these commands fail over here, because of this. > > gnutls-cli --starttls-proto=imap quaillake.duckdns.org:143 > gnutls-cli quaillake.duckdns.org:993 Adding --no-ca-verification allows gnutls to be happy ;) Paul -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 21:35:41 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 19:35:41 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3997] Date is not translated when you reply to a mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3997 marius.spix at web.de changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|INVALID |--- --- Comment #3 from marius.spix at web.de --- I did not change the default template and my system’s locale is "de_DE.utf8". Claws Mail is compiled against glibc 2.25. The following program #include #include int main(argc, argv) int argc; char *argv[]; { time_t rawtime; struct tm *timeinfo; time(&rawtime); timeinfo = localtime(&rawtime); char buf[255]; strftime(buf, sizeof(buf), "%c", timeinfo); puts(buf); return 0; } writes "Tue Mar 27 21:19:35 2018" However, the program #include #include #include #include int main(argc, argv) int argc; char *argv[]; { char *locale; locale = getenv("LC_ALL"); setlocale(LC_ALL, locale); time_t rawtime; struct tm *timeinfo; time(&rawtime); timeinfo = localtime(&rawtime); char buf[255]; strftime(buf, sizeof(buf), "%c", timeinfo); puts(buf); return 0; } correctly prints "Di 27 Mär 2018 21:35:12 CEST". So I think, you are just missing a setlocale() call in Claws Mail. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 21:56:45 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 19:56:45 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3997] Date is not translated when you reply to a mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3997 --- Comment #4 from Andrej Kacian --- Nope, it works correctly. When starting Claws mail with "LC_ALL=de_DE claws-mail" and using %date_fmt{%c} in the template, I get this: On Di 27 Mär 2018 19:35:41 CEST noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 22:20:15 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 20:20:15 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3997] Date is not translated when you reply to a mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3997 --- Comment #5 from marius.spix at web.de --- This does not work for me, neither LC_ALL=de, LC_ALL=de_DE nor LC_ALL=de_DE.utf8 The UI text is correctly translated and so is the "Am ... schrieb ..." (English: "On ... ... wrote"). Only date and time are not correctly translated. I am using Gentoo Linux with glibc-2.25-r10. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 23:03:53 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 21:03:53 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3997] Date is not translated when you reply to a mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3997 --- Comment #6 from Andrej Kacian --- What do "locale" and "locale -a" shell commands print? What does your sample program print if you replace the setlocale() call with this? setlocale(LC_ALL, ""); -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From dave at howorth.org.uk Tue Mar 27 23:11:53 2018 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 22:11:53 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3997] Date is not translated when you reply to a mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180327221153.63208913@acer-suse.lan> Am Tue, 27 Mar 2018 20:20:15 +0000 schrieb noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk: > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3997 > > --- Comment #5 from marius.spix at web.de --- > This does not work for me, > > neither LC_ALL=de, LC_ALL=de_DE nor LC_ALL=de_DE.utf8 > > The UI text is correctly translated and so is the "Am ... schrieb ..." > (English: "On ... ... wrote"). Only date and time are not correctly > translated. I am using Gentoo Linux with glibc-2.25-r10. FWIW, I just restarted claws (3.13.2 on openSUSE Leap 42.3 from standard repositories) using $ LC_ALL=de_DE.utf-8 claws-mail and I see the same broken translation as in the first two lines of this message. I also notice that the From: and Subject: etc headers in the message display are also still in English. PS I thought about adding my observation to the bug, but that's an HTTP link and Firefox objects to the HTTPS version. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Mar 27 23:39:16 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 21:39:16 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3997] Date is not translated when you reply to a mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3997 --- Comment #7 from Paul --- It also work correctly for me, that's why I said what I said. I specified using %date_fmt{fmt} rather than simply %date. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 28 11:37:35 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 09:37:35 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3997] Date is not translated when you reply to a mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3997 --- Comment #8 from marius.spix at web.de --- locale LANG=de_DE.utf8 LC_CTYPE="de_DE.utf8" LC_NUMERIC="de_DE.utf8" LC_TIME="de_DE.utf8" LC_COLLATE=C LC_MONETARY="de_DE.utf8" LC_MESSAGES="de_DE.utf8" LC_PAPER="de_DE.utf8" LC_NAME="de_DE.utf8" LC_ADDRESS="de_DE.utf8" LC_TELEPHONE="de_DE.utf8" LC_MEASUREMENT="de_DE.utf8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="de_DE.utf8" LC_ALL= locale -a C POSIX aa aa_DJ aa_DJ.iso88591 aa_DJ.utf8 aa_ER aa_ER.utf8 aa_ER.utf8 at saaho aa_ER at saaho aa_ET aa_ET.utf8 af af_ZA af_ZA.iso88591 af_ZA.utf8 ak ak_GH ak_GH.utf8 am am_ET am_ET.utf8 an an_ES an_ES.iso885915 an_ES.utf8 anp anp_IN anp_IN.utf8 ar ar_AE ar_AE.iso88596 ar_AE.utf8 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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 28 12:16:24 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:16:24 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3999] New: No spell checker Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3999 Bug ID: 3999 Summary: No spell checker Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: GIT Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: major Priority: P3 Component: UI/Compose Window/Spell Checker Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com In January upstream moved /usr/bin/enchant and the libraries to enchant-2, hence spell checking doesn't work anymore, when building claws against the current release of enchant. Several distros, not only rolling releases already migrated to the latest release of enchant. [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ claws-mail -v Claws Mail version 3.16.0git97 [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ enchant-2 -v @(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 (but really Enchant 2.2.3) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 28 12:25:08 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:25:08 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3999] add support for enchant-2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3999 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|No spell checker |add support for enchant-2 Severity|major |enhancement -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From sylpheed at 911networks.com Wed Mar 28 15:49:11 2018 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 06:49:11 -0700 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3999] New: No spell checker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180328064911.0de973d8@frogguski.911networks.com> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:16:24 +0000 noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: >http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3999 > > Bug ID: 3999 > Summary: No spell checker > Classification: Unclassified > Product: Claws Mail > Version: GIT > Hardware: PC > OS: Linux > Status: NEW > Severity: major > Priority: P3 > Component: UI/Compose Window/Spell Checker > Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org > Reporter: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com > >In January upstream moved /usr/bin/enchant and the libraries to >enchant-2, hence spell checking doesn't work anymore, when building >claws against the current release of enchant. > >Several distros, not only rolling releases already migrated to the >latest release of enchant. > >[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ claws-mail -v >Claws Mail version 3.16.0git97 >[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ enchant-2 -v >@(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 (but really Enchant 2.2.3) Somehow spellchecking works here: $ cat /etc/lsb-release DISTRIB_ID=ManjaroLinux DISTRIB_RELEASE=17.1.6 DISTRIB_CODENAME=Hakoila DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Manjaro Linux" $claws-mail -v Claws Mail version 3.16.0 $enchant-2 -v @(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 (but really Enchant 2.2.3) It could a git version problem -- sknahT vyS From rezso at rezso.net Wed Mar 28 16:11:54 2018 From: rezso at rezso.net (=?UTF-8?B?UMOhZGVyIFJlenPFkQ==?=) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:11:54 +0200 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3999] New: No spell checker In-Reply-To: <20180328064911.0de973d8@frogguski.911networks.com> References: <20180328064911.0de973d8@frogguski.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20180328161154.5b5225f2@papi.home> > >Somehow spellchecking works here: > >$ cat /etc/lsb-release >DISTRIB_ID=ManjaroLinux >DISTRIB_RELEASE=17.1.6 >DISTRIB_CODENAME=Hakoila >DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Manjaro Linux" > > >$claws-mail -v >Claws Mail version 3.16.0 > >$enchant-2 -v >@(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 (but really Enchant 2.2.3) > >It could a git version problem > # fix new versioned enchant pkgconfig detection sed -i "s:PKG_CHECK_MODULES(ENCHANT, enchant >= 1.4.0:PKG_CHECK_MODULES(ENCHANT, enchant-2 >= 1.4.0:" configure.ac sed -i "s:--cflags enchant:--cflags enchant-2:" configure.ac This is enough with an autoreconf, because the enchant code in CM is compatible with enchant-2. -- R. From ticho at claws-mail.org Wed Mar 28 17:14:09 2018 From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:14:09 +0200 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3999] New: No spell checker In-Reply-To: <20180328161154.5b5225f2@papi.home> References: <20180328064911.0de973d8@frogguski.911networks.com> <20180328161154.5b5225f2@papi.home> Message-ID: <20180328171409.5cf25853@penny> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:11:54 +0200 Páder Rezső wrote: > # fix new versioned enchant pkgconfig detection > sed -i "s:PKG_CHECK_MODULES(ENCHANT, enchant >= 1.4.0:PKG_CHECK_MODULES(ENCHANT, enchant-2 >= 1.4.0:" configure.ac > sed -i "s:--cflags enchant:--cflags enchant-2:" configure.ac > > This is enough with an autoreconf, because the enchant code in CM is > compatible with enchant-2. Yes, something like that, although we still have to check for the old pkg-config name as well, to maintain backwards compatibility. Regards, -- Andrej -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From silver.bullet at zoho.com Wed Mar 28 18:28:42 2018 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:28:42 +0200 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3999] New: No spell checker In-Reply-To: <20180328064911.0de973d8@frogguski.911networks.com> References: <20180328064911.0de973d8@frogguski.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20180328182842.4f781a9a@utnubu> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 06:49:11 -0700, sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: >On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:16:24 +0000 >noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: > >>http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3999 >> >> Bug ID: 3999 >> Summary: No spell checker >> Classification: Unclassified >> Product: Claws Mail >> Version: GIT >> Hardware: PC >> OS: Linux >> Status: NEW >> Severity: major >> Priority: P3 >> Component: UI/Compose Window/Spell Checker >> Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org >> Reporter: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com >> >>In January upstream moved /usr/bin/enchant and the libraries to >>enchant-2, hence spell checking doesn't work anymore, when building >>claws against the current release of enchant. >> >>Several distros, not only rolling releases already migrated to the >>latest release of enchant. >> >>[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ claws-mail -v >>Claws Mail version 3.16.0git97 >>[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ enchant-2 -v >>@(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 (but really Enchant 2.2.3) > >Somehow spellchecking works here: > >$ cat /etc/lsb-release >DISTRIB_ID=ManjaroLinux >DISTRIB_RELEASE=17.1.6 >DISTRIB_CODENAME=Hakoila >DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Manjaro Linux" > > >$claws-mail -v >Claws Mail version 3.16.0 > >$enchant-2 -v >@(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 (but really Enchant 2.2.3) > >It could a git version problem Distro's not only build claws-mail patched to work with enchant-2, they patch several packages. The bug report explicitly mentions "when building claws against the current release of enchant" and "Version: GIT". Of course, copying a distro's patch from official packages seemingly isn't rocket science, but that's not the point. The reason for this ticket is to get the upstream source code being compatible with enchant and enchant-2. I'm not a coder, so I can't comment on the configure.ac hint, IIUC some distros patch gtkaspell.c with enchant_dict_add(gtkaspell->gtkaspeller->speller, gtkaspell->theword, strlen(gtkaspell->theword)); For Arch Linux see https://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/claws-mail&id=08c232c39c98f5652a8b74db212b2138b053973a for Debian and Ubuntu flavours or derivatives, see https://sources.debian.org/src/claws-mail/3.16.0-1/src/gtk/gtkaspell.c/ . From silver.bullet at zoho.com Wed Mar 28 18:34:24 2018 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:34:24 +0200 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3999] New: No spell checker In-Reply-To: <20180328182842.4f781a9a@utnubu> References: <20180328064911.0de973d8@frogguski.911networks.com> <20180328182842.4f781a9a@utnubu> Message-ID: <20180328183424.451c46ab@utnubu> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:28:42 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 06:49:11 -0700, sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: >>On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:16:24 +0000 >>noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: >> >>>http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3999 >>> >>> Bug ID: 3999 >>> Summary: No spell checker >>> Classification: Unclassified >>> Product: Claws Mail >>> Version: GIT >>> Hardware: PC >>> OS: Linux >>> Status: NEW >>> Severity: major >>> Priority: P3 >>> Component: UI/Compose Window/Spell Checker >>> Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org >>> Reporter: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com >>> >>>In January upstream moved /usr/bin/enchant and the libraries to >>>enchant-2, hence spell checking doesn't work anymore, when building >>>claws against the current release of enchant. >>> >>>Several distros, not only rolling releases already migrated to the >>>latest release of enchant. >>> >>>[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ claws-mail -v >>>Claws Mail version 3.16.0git97 >>>[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ enchant-2 -v >>>@(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 (but really Enchant >>>2.2.3) >> >>Somehow spellchecking works here: >> >>$ cat /etc/lsb-release >>DISTRIB_ID=ManjaroLinux >>DISTRIB_RELEASE=17.1.6 >>DISTRIB_CODENAME=Hakoila >>DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Manjaro Linux" >> >> >>$claws-mail -v >>Claws Mail version 3.16.0 >> >>$enchant-2 -v >>@(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 (but really Enchant 2.2.3) >> >>It could a git version problem > >Distro's not only build claws-mail patched to work with enchant-2, >they patch several packages. The bug report explicitly mentions "when >building claws against the current release of enchant" and "Version: >GIT". Of course, copying a distro's patch from official packages >seemingly isn't rocket science, but that's not the point. The reason >for this ticket is to get the upstream source code being compatible >with enchant and enchant-2. > >I'm not a coder, so I can't comment on the configure.ac hint For + sed -i 's/, enchant/, enchant-2/' configure.ac see https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/commit/?h=xed&id=a1dcf8ce0644b35f4a4ecd295d3c44db80f7327c >, IIUC some distros patch gtkaspell.c with > >enchant_dict_add(gtkaspell->gtkaspeller->speller, gtkaspell->theword, >strlen(gtkaspell->theword)); > >For Arch Linux see >https://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/claws-mail&id=08c232c39c98f5652a8b74db212b2138b053973a >for Debian and Ubuntu flavours or derivatives, see >https://sources.debian.org/src/claws-mail/3.16.0-1/src/gtk/gtkaspell.c/ . From jvromans at squirrel.nl Wed Mar 28 19:15:51 2018 From: jvromans at squirrel.nl (Johan Vromans) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 19:15:51 +0200 Subject: [Users] Filter upon receipt Message-ID: <20180328191551.1b614489@phoenix.squirrel.nl> Hi, I have an IMAP account (Home) with many mailfolders. On one of these folders, SpamFolder, I want messages that are from a certain sender delivered in a different folder. So I have a folder rule: [#imap/Home/SpamFolder] enabled rulename "Facebook Xxx" from matchcase "facebookmail.com" & to matchcase "xxx" move "#imap/Home/XxxFacebook" This causes the messages to be received in the SpamFolder, and as soon as I visit this folder these messages are moved to the XxxFacebook folder. However, I would want these messages to be moved to the XxxFacebook folder immedeately upon receipt. So I copied this rule globally: [filtering] enabled rulename "Facebook Xxx" from matchcase "facebookmail.com" & to matchcase "xxx" move "#imap/Home/XxxFacebook" But the messages still end up initially in the SpamFolder. Is there something I'm missing? -- Johan From silver.bullet at zoho.com Wed Mar 28 19:39:48 2018 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 19:39:48 +0200 Subject: [Users] Filter upon receipt In-Reply-To: <20180328191551.1b614489@phoenix.squirrel.nl> References: <20180328191551.1b614489@phoenix.squirrel.nl> Message-ID: <20180328193948.5ca5c861@utnubu> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 19:15:51 +0200, Johan Vromans wrote: >Is there something I'm missing? Yes, the spam filter is an external command that conflicts with Claws receiving filters. Instead of using a spam filter plugin you could run the external command by your filter rules, or since at least the bogofilter plugin preferences has got a few options, that might help you to work around the issue, perhaps white listing this address helps. From silver.bullet at zoho.com Wed Mar 28 19:43:32 2018 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 19:43:32 +0200 Subject: [Users] Filter upon receipt In-Reply-To: <20180328193948.5ca5c861@utnubu> References: <20180328191551.1b614489@phoenix.squirrel.nl> <20180328193948.5ca5c861@utnubu> Message-ID: <20180328194332.2100804c@utnubu> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 19:39:48 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 19:15:51 +0200, Johan Vromans wrote: >>Is there something I'm missing? > >Yes, the spam filter is an external command that conflicts with Claws >receiving filters. Instead of using a spam filter plugin you could run >the external command by your filter rules, or since at least the >bogofilter plugin preferences has got a few options, that might help >you to work around the issue, perhaps white listing this address helps. That's not really good phrased, not a sentence at all :D, but I guess you understand what I tried to explain. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Mar 28 22:15:13 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 20:15:13 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3957] Claws-Mail 64bit crashes when saving a draft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3957 --- Comment #6 from mergia at gmx.net --- (In reply to comment #4) > I assume bug 3942 should be closed too ? As reporter, you can close bug 3942 yourself by clicking on "mark as duplicate" beneath the message window and entering the number of this bug (3957). That will link your bug report to this one and vice versa. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 29 12:30:20 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:30:20 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3998] it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3998 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 29 12:32:00 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:32:00 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3997] Date is not translated when you reply to a mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3997 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 29 12:55:59 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:55:59 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3998] it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3998 --- Comment #12 from thomas.a.kaeding at gmail.com --- If it's not a valid bug, then please, what is it? Thank you. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 29 13:02:33 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 11:02:33 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3998] it simply doesn't work any more (gnutls change?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3998 --- Comment #13 from Paul --- possibly, for example, gnutls 3.6 is stricter in what it accepts, and your server set up is not up to the mark. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From rezso at rezso.net Thu Mar 29 13:45:14 2018 From: rezso at rezso.net (=?UTF-8?B?UMOhZGVyIFJlenPFkQ==?=) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 13:45:14 +0200 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3999] New: No spell checker In-Reply-To: <20180328171409.5cf25853@penny> References: <20180328064911.0de973d8@frogguski.911networks.com> <20180328161154.5b5225f2@papi.home> <20180328171409.5cf25853@penny> Message-ID: <20180329134501.7eb650b0@papi.home> >Yes, something like that, although we still have to check for the old >pkg-config name as well, to maintain backwards compatibility. I think, the configure script can check enchant-2 also. -- R. From jvromans at squirrel.nl Thu Mar 29 16:43:21 2018 From: jvromans at squirrel.nl (Johan Vromans) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 16:43:21 +0200 Subject: [Users] Filter upon receipt In-Reply-To: <20180328194332.2100804c@utnubu> References: <20180328191551.1b614489@phoenix.squirrel.nl> <20180328193948.5ca5c861@utnubu> <20180328194332.2100804c@utnubu> Message-ID: <20180329164321.4b8637ab@phoenix.squirrel.nl> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 19:43:32 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > That's not really good phrased, not a sentence at all :D, but I guess > you understand what I tried to explain. Actually, not at all :( . From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 29 18:19:09 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 17:19:09 +0100 Subject: [Users] Filter upon receipt In-Reply-To: <20180328191551.1b614489@phoenix.squirrel.nl> References: <20180328191551.1b614489@phoenix.squirrel.nl> Message-ID: <20180329171909.1ab8585e@kujata> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 19:15:51 +0200 Johan Vromans wrote: > But the messages still end up initially in the SpamFolder. It is because the spam plugins run before the Filtering rules, so by the time you reach the Filtering your messages (which are spam) have already been moved. What you can do is unload the spam plugin and instead run bogofilter or spamassassin using a filter rule. (Details on the FAQ.) with regards Paul From jvromans at squirrel.nl Thu Mar 29 18:59:03 2018 From: jvromans at squirrel.nl (Johan Vromans) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 18:59:03 +0200 Subject: [Users] Filter upon receipt In-Reply-To: <20180329171909.1ab8585e@kujata> References: <20180328191551.1b614489@phoenix.squirrel.nl> <20180329171909.1ab8585e@kujata> Message-ID: <20180329185903.0025f190@phoenix.squirrel.nl> On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 17:19:09 +0100, Paul wrote: > > But the messages still end up initially in the SpamFolder. > > It is because the spam plugins run before the Filtering rules, so by > the time you reach the Filtering your messages (which are spam) have > already been moved. I think I created confusion by using the name SpamFolder -- this folder has nothing to do with Spam filtering, it is just a custom folder named that way. The mail messages that are delivered to this folder are normal messages. So the question boils down to: Can I have messages that arrive in a certain folder A be filtered and moved to a different folder B without having to actually visit folder A. -- Johan From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Mar 29 19:08:47 2018 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 18:08:47 +0100 Subject: [Users] Filter upon receipt In-Reply-To: <20180329185903.0025f190@phoenix.squirrel.nl> References: <20180328191551.1b614489@phoenix.squirrel.nl> <20180329171909.1ab8585e@kujata> <20180329185903.0025f190@phoenix.squirrel.nl> Message-ID: <20180329180847.20ed909e@kujata> On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 18:59:03 +0200 Johan Vromans wrote: > So the question boils down to: Can I have messages that arrive in a > certain folder A be filtered and moved to a different folder B > without having to actually visit folder A. No. You'll have to filter them correctly in the first place. with regards Paul From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 30 07:56:44 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 05:56:44 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3984] Copy-paste in find/filter field works incorrectly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3984 Andrej Kacian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #3 from users at lists.claws-mail.org --- Changes related to this bug have been committed. Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly. You can also get the patch from: http://git.claws-mail.org/ ++ ChangeLog 2018-03-29 17:37:04.011563057 +0200 http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=478d99a13b62c38fc55760bbe97c0db15dfa34a8 Merge: 8f0ab2e 7fafe08 Author: Colin Leroy Date: Thu Mar 29 17:37:03 2018 +0200 Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=7fafe08ddd93145b93b9f95a423ed2af8d9f9369 Author: Andrej Kacian Date: Fri Mar 9 19:24:44 2018 +0100 Change how main window's keyboard accelerators are bypassed when quicksearch has focus. Instead of artificially forwarding the keypress to quicksearch (only when Shift is pressed), we emit a new "key-press-event" signal directly to the quicksearch entry, and block the original signal before it reaches the accelerator handling. Closes bug #3984: Copy-paste in find/filter field works incorrectly -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 30 07:58:39 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 05:58:39 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3942] Claws Mail 64bit crashes at save or autosave In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3942 Andrej Kacian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE --- Comment #2 from Andrej Kacian --- *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 3957 *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 30 07:58:39 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 05:58:39 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3957] Claws-Mail 64bit crashes when saving a draft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3957 Andrej Kacian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |bugz at secarica.ro --- Comment #7 from Andrej Kacian --- *** Bug 3942 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 30 08:02:12 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 06:02:12 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3953] TSS handshake failure after updating from 3.15 to 3.16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3953 --- Comment #2 from Andrej Kacian --- Can you say what server this is? With 3.16.0 we upgraded GnuTLS (the library responsible for TLS connections from version 3.5.2 to 3.5.9, so perhaps the server is too old and uses TLS settings which are considered insecure by this newer version. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From jvromans at squirrel.nl Fri Mar 30 08:12:22 2018 From: jvromans at squirrel.nl (Johan Vromans) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 08:12:22 +0200 Subject: [Users] Filter upon receipt In-Reply-To: <20180329180847.20ed909e@kujata> References: <20180328191551.1b614489@phoenix.squirrel.nl> <20180329171909.1ab8585e@kujata> <20180329185903.0025f190@phoenix.squirrel.nl> <20180329180847.20ed909e@kujata> Message-ID: <20180330081222.3295ba3e@phoenix.squirrel.nl> On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 18:08:47 +0100, Paul wrote: > No. You'll have to filter them correctly in the first place. Ok, sounds reasonable. Thanks. From chris2014 at postbox.xyz Fri Mar 30 08:44:30 2018 From: chris2014 at postbox.xyz (Chris) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 08:44:30 +0200 Subject: [Users] Sort by Thread Date als Default? Message-ID: <20180330084430.18895946@cd> All, is it possible to make Sort by Thread Date the default setting for all folders? - Chris -- Papst Franziskus ruft zum Kampf gegen Fake News auf. Wir finden, der Mann, der sich als Stellvertreter Christi ausgibt, von dem er behauptet, dessen Mutter sei zeitlebens Jungfrau gewesen, er hätte über Wasser gehen und selbiges in Wein verwandeln können, hat vollkommen recht. From flongbox at gmail.com Fri Mar 30 09:28:51 2018 From: flongbox at gmail.com (appakhabar) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 15:28:51 +0800 Subject: [Users] URL not passed to Firefox Message-ID: <20180330152851.2e4b452c@thinkpad.lan> Hello all Lately, clicking on a link in an email does not result in the link being passed to Firefox, which merely opens a blank window. This only happened in the past couple of weeks. Changing from "use system default" and choosing one of the firefox or mozilla choices in Preferences > External programs doesn't work. Using "qupzilla "%s" does open the URL. It's a minor inconvenience I can live with, but it would be good to know how to restore the default behaviour. System: Claws-Mail 3.15.0, Firefox 59.0.2 (64-bit) Mageia 6 version 4.14.25 on Thinkpad laptop Regards. -- G Rudra From silver.bullet at zoho.com Fri Mar 30 10:19:22 2018 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 10:19:22 +0200 Subject: [Users] URL not passed to Firefox In-Reply-To: <20180330152851.2e4b452c@thinkpad.lan> References: <20180330152851.2e4b452c@thinkpad.lan> Message-ID: <20180330101922.30525617@utnubu> On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 15:28:51 +0800, appakhabar wrote: >Firefox 59.0.2 (64-bit) >Mageia 6 Because you mentioned QupZilla, an outdated browser, since QupZilla was renamed to Falkon, but at the same time you mention the latest release of Firefox I'm curious, so I used your distro's package search. Regarding https://madb.mageia.org/package/show/name/firefox/release/6/arch/x86_64 it seems to be, that official repositories of your distro do not provide Firefox 59.0.2. Perhaps you are using a third party thingy, installing the executable to e.g. /opt or /usr/lib/foo or similar? The location might be not part of PATH, but the desktop file might execute Firefox via the path or by a different named launcher. IOW what do you get, if you try to start Firefox from command line without a path? Just run firefox from command line. From silver.bullet at zoho.com Fri Mar 30 10:38:47 2018 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 10:38:47 +0200 Subject: [Users] URL not passed to Firefox In-Reply-To: <20180330101922.30525617@utnubu> References: <20180330152851.2e4b452c@thinkpad.lan> <20180330101922.30525617@utnubu> Message-ID: <20180330103847.24172c06@utnubu> On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 10:19:22 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 15:28:51 +0800, appakhabar wrote: >>Firefox 59.0.2 (64-bit) >>Mageia 6 > >Because you mentioned QupZilla, an outdated browser, since QupZilla was >renamed to Falkon, but at the same time you mention the latest release >of Firefox I'm curious, so I used your distro's package search. >Regarding >https://madb.mageia.org/package/show/name/firefox/release/6/arch/x86_64 >it seems to be, that official repositories of your distro do not >provide Firefox 59.0.2. > >Perhaps you are using a third party thingy, installing the executable >to e.g. /opt or /usr/lib/foo or similar? The location might be not >part of PATH, but the desktop file might execute Firefox via the path >or by a different named launcher. > >IOW what do you get, if you try to start Firefox from command line >without a path? > >Just run > > firefox > >from command line. Oops! IIUC now, Firefox does start, it just does not get the URL? It still could be possible, that in e.g. /usr/bin is a bad written wrapper script named firefox, that does not pass the URL through to the executalble. From silver.bullet at zoho.com Fri Mar 30 10:43:18 2018 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 10:43:18 +0200 Subject: [Users] URL not passed to Firefox In-Reply-To: <20180330103847.24172c06@utnubu> References: <20180330152851.2e4b452c@thinkpad.lan> <20180330101922.30525617@utnubu> <20180330103847.24172c06@utnubu> Message-ID: <20180330104318.3ceda230@utnubu> Does it work if you run firefox https://duckduckgo.com/ https://www.startpage.com/ or similar from command line? From ticho at claws-mail.org Fri Mar 30 11:02:30 2018 From: ticho at claws-mail.org (Andrej Kacian) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 11:02:30 +0200 Subject: [Users] URL not passed to Firefox In-Reply-To: <20180330152851.2e4b452c@thinkpad.lan> References: <20180330152851.2e4b452c@thinkpad.lan> Message-ID: <20180330110230.1f3e17b9@penny> On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 15:28:51 +0800 appakhabar wrote: > Hello all > > Lately, clicking on a link in an email does not result in the link > being passed to Firefox, which merely opens a blank window. This only > happened in the past couple of weeks. > > Changing from "use system default" and choosing one of the firefox or > mozilla choices in Preferences > External programs doesn't work. Using > "qupzilla "%s" does open the URL. It's a minor inconvenience I can live > with, but it would be good to know how to restore the default behaviour. > > System: > Claws-Mail 3.15.0, Firefox 59.0.2 (64-bit) > Mageia 6 version 4.14.25 on Thinkpad laptop You could probably get some hint about what's wrong by running "claws-mail --debug" in a terminal emulator, and looking at what gets printed when you click on a link. Regards, -- Andrej From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 30 12:00:22 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 10:00:22 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 4000] New: Particular combination of UTF8 characters results in corrupt subject in Yahoo mail Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4000 Bug ID: 4000 Summary: Particular combination of UTF8 characters results in corrupt subject in Yahoo mail Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: major Priority: P3 Component: Plugins Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: removed-gdpr at example.com Created attachment 1861 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1861&action=edit screenshots + message sources STR: 1. Using a Yahoo IMAP account open to compose a new message in CM 2. Type in subject: Абв 123 ( - где 12345-6) + жзи 3. Save in Drafts (or send) 4. Go to Yahoo web mail 5. Repeat 1-3 creating another message EXPECTED The 2 messages should have the same subject exactly as typed ACTUAL The message created in CM shows in Yahoo with subject Абвгдежзи and looking at the source of both messages reveals that there it is different too. Yet in CM's message list the two subjects look identical NOTE: Tested with a Gmail account too - no issue there. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From flongbox at gmail.com Fri Mar 30 13:30:15 2018 From: flongbox at gmail.com (flongbox at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 19:30:15 +0800 Subject: [Users] URL not passed to Firefox In-Reply-To: <20180330101922.30525617@utnubu> References: <20180330152851.2e4b452c@thinkpad.lan> <20180330101922.30525617@utnubu> Message-ID: <20180330193015.19aecf77@thinkpad.lan> On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 10:19:22 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Perhaps you are using a third party thingy, installing the executable > to e.g. /opt or /usr/lib/foo or similar? The location might be not I think this was an update installed through the browser. It is installed in /usr/local/lib with a link in /usr/bin -- G Rudra From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 30 13:43:50 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 11:43:50 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 4000] Particular combination of UTF8 characters results in corrupt subject in Yahoo mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4000 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #1 from Paul --- They both display fine in claws-mail, they just different character encoding. There is no bug here. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From flongbox at gmail.com Fri Mar 30 14:16:37 2018 From: flongbox at gmail.com (flongbox at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 20:16:37 +0800 Subject: [Users] SOLVED Re: URL not passed to Firefox In-Reply-To: <20180330101922.30525617@utnubu> References: <20180330152851.2e4b452c@thinkpad.lan> <20180330101922.30525617@utnubu> Message-ID: <20180330201313.3bafa03a@thinkpad.lan> On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 10:19:22 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Because you mentioned QupZilla, an outdated browser, since QupZilla > was renamed to Falkon, but at the same time you mention the latest > release of Firefox I'm curious Mageia only have Falkon on the Cauldron (testing) version, not in the regular repo, which has Qupzilla. The latest Firefox was probably through a separate download from an update notice in the browser. > part of PATH, but the desktop file might execute Firefox via the path > or by a different named launcher. That was it. I replaced the Claws-Mail desktop file and Firefox now opens from commandline Claws-Mail and launching from the shortcut. Thanks for your help. -- G Rudra From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 30 14:58:09 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 12:58:09 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 4000] Particular combination of UTF8 characters results in corrupt subject in Yahoo mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4000 --- Comment #2 from Removed after GDPR request --- There is a bug because it results in incompatibility and because it is happening only with particular set of characters. If the subject is simply "Абв" it does not happen. I don't know what standard Yahoo uses for encoding the subject and what CM uses but it would be good to check why this is happening (perhaps provide an option for being compatible). Yahoo is quite popular (for good or bad). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 30 15:01:12 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 13:01:12 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 Removed after GDPR request changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|INVALID |--- --- Comment #17 from Removed after GDPR request --- Please kindly review this bug report. It was unfairly marked as invalid. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 30 15:08:55 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 13:08:55 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 4000] Particular combination of UTF8 characters results in corrupt subject in Yahoo mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4000 --- Comment #3 from Paul --- (In reply to comment #2) > There is a bug because it results in incompatibility and because it is > happening only with particular set of characters. If the subject is simply > "Абв" it does not happen. > > I don't know what standard Yahoo uses for encoding the subject and what CM > uses but it would be good to check why this is happening (perhaps provide an > option for being compatible). Yahoo is quite popular (for good or bad). Yes, and it's yahoo's bug. In one the subject was encoded using quoted-printable and the other is base64. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 30 15:09:20 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 13:09:20 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 4001] New: New window opening on wrong display Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4001 Bug ID: 4001 Summary: New window opening on wrong display Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail (Windows) Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Windows 7 Status: NEW Severity: trivial Priority: P3 Component: default Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: clawsmail at dreema.com I have a dual monitor set up. My primary display is screen 2, secondary display screen 1. When opening a message or creating a new message, the new message window always opens on the secondary display (screen 1) not the primary display. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 30 15:11:11 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 13:11:11 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #18 from Paul --- There was no unfairness that I could see. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From silver.bullet at zoho.com Fri Mar 30 16:55:30 2018 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 16:55:30 +0200 Subject: [Users] SOLVED Re: URL not passed to Firefox In-Reply-To: <20180330201313.3bafa03a@thinkpad.lan> References: <20180330152851.2e4b452c@thinkpad.lan> <20180330101922.30525617@utnubu> <20180330201313.3bafa03a@thinkpad.lan> Message-ID: <20180330165530.6a98cd75@utnubu> On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 20:16:37 +0800, flongbox at gmail.com wrote: >On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 10:19:22 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> part of PATH, but the desktop file might execute Firefox via the path >> or by a different named launcher. > >That was it. I replaced the Claws-Mail desktop file and Firefox now >opens from commandline Claws-Mail and launching from the shortcut. > >Thanks for your help. You are welcome, but I'm confused. Should it read that you actually replaced the Firefox desktop file and now Claws passes the URL through to Firefox? Which also doesn't make much sense, I'm already confused by On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 19:30:15 +0800, flongbox at gmail.com wrote: >I think this was an update installed through the browser. It is >installed in /usr/local/lib with a link in /usr/bin /usr/bin by default is included to PATH for every distro, so if Claws does run firefox '%s' or similar, it should do the job. [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ env | grep /usr/bin: PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/lib/icecat:/usr/lib/jvm/default/bin:/usr/bin/site_perl:/usr/bin/vendor_perl:/usr/bin/core_perl However, it seemingly isn't a Claws issue, but seemingly (was) caused by this third party install. From flongbox at gmail.com Fri Mar 30 18:06:23 2018 From: flongbox at gmail.com (flongbox at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 00:06:23 +0800 Subject: [Users] SOLVED Re: URL not passed to Firefox In-Reply-To: <20180330165530.6a98cd75@utnubu> References: <20180330152851.2e4b452c@thinkpad.lan> <20180330101922.30525617@utnubu> <20180330201313.3bafa03a@thinkpad.lan> <20180330165530.6a98cd75@utnubu> Message-ID: <20180331000623.736181e4@thinkpad.lan> On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 16:55:30 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > replaced the Firefox desktop file and now Claws passes the URL through > to Firefox? Which also doesn't make much sense, I'm already confused Sorry, I should have made clear I replaced the Claws desktop file with the stock one. The previous desktop file was left over from some testing with Tor, maybe that was why the url was not passed through. Claws works ok with Firefox through the stock desktop config. -- G Rudra From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 30 18:19:20 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 16:19:20 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 --- Comment #19 from Removed after GDPR request --- Here has been given a factual evidence of a bug, investigated down to the exact cause for it. If you are closing it as invalid you are trying to ignore an actual fact (perhaps without even testing it). It is a valid issue. The existence of a pre/post-processing rule should not lead to unnecessary connections to mail servers when they were not requested, especially on startup, especially if "Check for new mail on startup" is off. Anyway I am not looking for an argument. It is your software and it is up to you if you want to improve it and how you (dis)regard bug reports. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 30 19:09:36 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 17:09:36 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 --- Comment #20 from Paul --- (In reply to comment #19) > Here has been given a factual evidence of a bug, investigated down to the > exact cause for it. If you are closing it as invalid you are trying to > ignore an actual fact (perhaps without even testing it). It was tested, by at least 3 different people. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Mar 30 21:41:24 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 19:41:24 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3993] Claws Mail connects to IMAP server when it should not In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3993 --- Comment #21 from Removed after GDPR request --- > It was tested, by at least 3 different people. The bug was marked as invalid before Comment #15. There is no indication that anyone has tested what was described in #15 and #16. If anyone has taken 10 minutes to do it I am sure he would be able to confirm the issue because the test starts with an empty ~/.claws-mail -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Mar 31 13:42:43 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 11:42:43 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 4002] New: Claws Mail 64bit: Saving email with attachment fails without error notice Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4002 Bug ID: 4002 Summary: Claws Mail 64bit: Saving email with attachment fails without error notice Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail (Windows) Version: 3.16.0 Hardware: PC OS: Windows 10 Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: default Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: mergia at gmx.net When I try to save a normal email with only a message body, it works as expected. If, however, I try to save an email with attachments, there is simply nothing happening. It does not matter which method I use to save the email (context menu, shortcut, file menu). Failure: Email save dialog does not open. No error message either. Expected behaviour: Either the email is saved with attachments in the mail body, or an error message appears telling me that it is not possible to save emails with attachments. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Mar 31 15:17:00 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 13:17:00 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 4002] Claws Mail 64bit: Saving email with attachment fails without error notice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4002 --- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian --- Hm, it works over here just fine, on both 32-bit and 64-bit versions, and on Windows 10 and 7. Can you try looking at the debug output to see if something goes wrong when you try saving an attachment, and perhaps posting the output file here or send it to me privately? Info on how to get the debug output: http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Claws_Mail_on_Windows Also, does it work when you uninstall the 64-bit version and install the 32-bit version of Claws Mail? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Mar 31 17:15:21 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 15:15:21 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 4002] Claws Mail 64bit: Saving email with attachment fails without error notice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4002 --- Comment #2 from mergia at gmx.net --- Created attachment 1862 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1862&action=edit Logfile for saving emails The logfile contains two attempts for saving an email: The first one worked (two attachments), the second one did not (three attachments). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Mar 31 17:25:39 2018 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 15:25:39 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 4002] Claws Mail 64bit: Saving email with attachment fails without error notice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4002 --- Comment #3 from mergia at gmx.net --- OK, I tested this some more. I can save some emails with attachments, but not others. I am not quite certain what the differences are, except for the number of attachments (all attachments were PDF files) - as far as I can see, I can save emails with up to two attachments, but not with more than two attachments. (This might be due to the small number of emails I can test this on, though). I installed the 32bit version of Claws Mail, the problem occurs there as well: I cannot save the three-attachment message, but I can save the two-attachment message. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.