[Users] Gmail still driving me crazy

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I run my own mail server, so I am not a user of gmail. I do have a few accounts because Google forces you to get an account with Android and if you run a webserver. 

That said, I like Gmail based on what I read in the headers. They use DKIM, so you can be assured the email hasn't been altered in transit. 

While I prefer an email client for security reasons, that is I don't trust browsers, I will say that gmail webmail is very good. They check both DKIM‎ and SPF, so it is unlikely you will be fooled by a forged email header.  Since I rarely use Gmail, I just use the browser. 

I gather that the Gmail apps you mention relative to less security probably means no security. I would not use any email that doesn't use TLS. Your password will be sent in the clear and easily intercepted on public wifi or even a LAN at work by that dude who always wears a hoodie. 

Lastly in 2017, you ought to be imap, preferably starttls. These days everyone has a phone and a laptop/desktop. Imap is a cloud service of sorts. Your draft messages will by synced on all your devices, as well as your sent messages. This comes in handy when say you sent something from your desktop and then you need it later when all you have is your phone. 

At one time I was using claws for imap and then using Thunderbird to download the mail later as pop3. That is, take it off the server. But I like how you can add a folder to claws to stuff saved email. Now I dumped Tbird and just save important messages with claws.  You can delete multiple messages at once in claws.

Gmail ports are here:
https://developers.google.com/gmail/imap/imap-smtp

I would say send email using starttls on 587. All this stuff is kind of nuanced, but you really should not be using port 465. So that would be 
stmp.google.com on 587 with starttls.

Download your email on 993. That would be 
imap.gmail.com port 993 ssl/tls. In reality, it will be TLS since SSL is deprecated due to the poodle exploit.

Set up the account and use the Claws "build tree" option if needed.

I've got this love/hate thing going with Google. I hate how they spy on me. However when Google really wants to do something, they do it right. Incidentally Google pays half the salary of the maintainer for the open source program Postfix, which is a critical piece of the email puzzle.

  Original Message  
From: John Jason Jordan
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 11:42 PM
To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
Subject: Re: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy

On Sat, 20 May 2017 12:44:10 +1000
Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> dijo:

>From
>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18492681/what-is-the-smtp-noop-command-used-for
>
>"The simplest of these commands is NOOP, useful mostly in testing to
>avoid timeouts; it does nothing and can generate only a successful
>response, with no change in state..."

Sorry, I understood almost nothing of that web page. :(

>Have you tried setting up another account on Claws, to access the
>GMail. My GMail wouldn't POP3 until I adjusted a setting within GMail.
>Something like allowing 'less secure' apps or similar ??

Interesting idea. I just did so using the standard settings. Attempting
to get messages resulted in a quick flash of the screen, way to fast to
read anything that Claws Mail might have tried to announce. No new
messages were retrieved, there are still 4 in the Inbox (via Firefox),
and the log shows the same results as what I posted with my original
post above - lots of NOOP and Success announcements, amounting to
nothing.

I really think it's time to abandon Gmail. Life is too short to put up
with this hassle.
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