From peter777 at users.sourceforge.net  Mon May  1 06:50:48 2017
From: peter777 at users.sourceforge.net (Peter Richards)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 14:50:48 +1000
Subject: [Users] Mouse hover and colours ?
Message-ID: <20170501145048.1bda7795@peter-asus64>

Whenever I use the mouse to hover in Claws, what appears in the
foreground is not clearly visible. It's a colour that is very
light/bright, so I can't see the words written in the foreground
display.

Have looked all through the preferences and configuration side of
things. Found a mention at
http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Interface#Why_doesn.27t_colour_labelling_work_under_KDE.3F ,
but couldn't find the files mentioned there, so I assume the
documentation there may need upating ??

I'm not sure this is a Claws problem though, more like my overall
display setup. Computer is 9 yrs old and I don't use the nvidia
drivers, as there were major problems last time I tried that.

Should I just persue this in a *buntu forum and look for any overrides
that KDE has put in place ?

i did wonder if the question had been asked previously on this list,
however couldn't find an easy method to search at
http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/index.html

Regards,

Peter


From peter777 at users.sourceforge.net  Mon May  1 08:09:24 2017
From: peter777 at users.sourceforge.net (Peter Richards)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 16:09:24 +1000
Subject: [Users] Mouse hover and colours ?
In-Reply-To: <20170501145048.1bda7795@peter-asus64>
References: <20170501145048.1bda7795@peter-asus64>
Message-ID: <20170501160924.271053d8@peter-asus64>

On Mon, 1 May 2017 14:50:48 +1000
Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> i did wonder if the question had been asked previously on this list,
> however couldn't find an easy method to search at
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/index.html

I forgot about this in Google:

site:lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users mouse

so will look through there.

Regards,

Peter


From john at pollardweb.com  Mon May  1 13:42:49 2017
From: john at pollardweb.com (John Pollard)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 12:42:49 +0100
Subject: [Users] Moving from Mac Mail to Claws
Message-ID: <A0A4A1F9-67A3-43FD-B084-E2A09F16CF60@pollardweb.com>

Hi list,

I am a Mac user and developer of software that is deployed to Linux. I am looking at Ubuntu as an alternative to Mac for everything and so far am very impressed with what is available. Switching from Mac Mail to an Ubuntu email client could be a sticking point. Claws seems like a good bet from what I have read and I have had a play. I am concerned about searches:

I can see in Quick Search, Extended, I can do B mystring to search within one email account. But is there a way to search across multiple email accounts at in a single search. Mac Mail handles this very well by default.

Edit, Search Folder… let’s me search Body (for example), but it seems only in the mailbox I am currently viewing, not all mailboxes at the same time.

Searching an inbox of just 700 messages (imap accounts) in Claws for body text took many seconds. Searching body text over 1,000’s of emails takes minutes. On Mac Mail I can search 100,000+ message bodies  in a second.

Are Linux email clients just a long way behind Mac Mail in these respects - am I expecting too much?

Many thanks for any input.

John
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From clifflaine at europe.com  Mon May  1 14:35:17 2017
From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 13:35:17 +0100
Subject: [Users] 3.15.0 Package for Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <20170421121417.2a64749e@utnubu>
References: <20170416140203.4dea5287@dz> <1492367217.811.2.camel@zoho.com>
 <20170417134749.201c5ae6@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170417144942.4b2ac591@sleipner.datanom.net>
 <20170417142837.5662eceb@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170417084914.35340491@hawk.localdomain>
 <20170421092344.305a893e@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170421121417.2a64749e@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20170501133517.54897f61@korky-Inspiron-1525>

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 12:14:17 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote:

> 
> How did you try to install the package or packages?

./configure , etc., didn't work, so tried autogen.sh -- that didn't
work either.


> 
> Did you run
> 
> sudo apt update
> sudo apt install build-essential
> sudo apt install automake autoconf
> 
> ?
> 
> Perhaps you missed to run "sudo apt update" first?

No, I did those.


> 
> You could also try running
> 
> cd /tmp/
> wget
> http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/build-essential/build-essential_12.1ubuntu2_i386.deb
> sudo apt update sudo apt full-upgrade
> sudo apt install ./build-essential_12.1ubuntu2_i386.deb
> 
> "apt install" does the same as "gdebi" does, it installs the local
> stored package and tries to resolve dependencies from the
> repositories.
> 
> If it should fail, post the complete output of the commands and the
> output of
> 
> grep -v "#" /etc/apt/sources.list
> 

Here we go:

user at user-computer /tmp $ wget
http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/build-essential/build-essential_12.1ubuntu2_i386.deb
--2017-05-01 13:17:48--
http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/build-essential/build-essential_12.1ubuntu2_i386.deb
Resolving de.archive.ubuntu.com (de.archive.ubuntu.com)...
141.76.1.208, 141.76.1.200, 141.30.13.10, ... Connecting to
de.archive.ubuntu.com (de.archive.ubuntu.com)|141.76.1.208|:80...
connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 4756
(4.6K) [application/x-debian-package] Saving to:
‘build-essential_12.1ubuntu2_i386.deb’

build-essential_12. 100%[===================>]   4.64K  --.-KB/s    in
0.001s  

2017-05-01 13:17:49 (3.43 MB/s) -
‘build-essential_12.1ubuntu2_i386.deb’ saved [4756/4756]

user at user-computer /tmp $ sudo apt update
[sudo] password for user: 
Hit:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net/hanipouspilot/rtlwifi/ubuntu xenial
InRelease Ign:2
http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/packages.linuxmint.com/packages
sarah InRelease Hit:3 http://ubuntu.mirrors.uk2.net/ubuntu xenial
InRelease Get:4 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security
InRelease [102 kB] Hit:5 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu xenial
InRelease Hit:6 http://ubuntu.mirrors.uk2.net/ubuntu xenial-updates
InRelease Hit:7
http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/packages.linuxmint.com/packages
sarah Release Hit:8 http://ubuntu.mirrors.uk2.net/ubuntu
xenial-backports InRelease Fetched 102 kB in 1s (86.9 kB/s) Reading
package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state
information... Done All packages are up-to-date.

user at user-computer /tmp $ sudo apt full-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade.

user at user-computer /tmp $ sudo apt
install ./build-essential_12.1ubuntu2_i386.deb Reading package lists...
Done Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Note, selecting 'build-essential' instead of
'./build-essential_12.1ubuntu2_i386.deb' build-essential is already the
newest version (12.1ubuntu2). 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to
remove and 0 not to upgrade.

user at user-computer /tmp $ grep -v "#" /etc/apt/sources.list
user at user-computer /tmp $ grep -v "#" /etc/apt/sources.list.d
grep: /etc/apt/sources.list.d: Is a directory
user at user-computer /tmp $ 

-------------

However -- sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list is

deb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/packages.linuxmint.com/packages
sarah main upstream import backport 

deb http://ubuntu.mirrors.uk2.net/ubuntu xenial main restricted
universe multiverse deb http://ubuntu.mirrors.uk2.net/ubuntu
xenial-updates main restricted universe multiverse deb
http://ubuntu.mirrors.uk2.net/ubuntu xenial-backports main restricted
universe multiverse

deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial-security main restricted
universe multiverse deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ xenial
partner

-------
and official-source-repositories.list just lists the same packages but
from the sources.



From john at pollardweb.com  Mon May  1 14:44:22 2017
From: john at pollardweb.com (John Pollard)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 13:44:22 +0100
Subject: [Users] Moving from Mac Mail to Claws - Smart Mailboxes
Message-ID: <AE1DBD1C-A69A-447A-9028-54E120A2E5A4@pollardweb.com>

Hi list,

I have had a look at Filtering in Claws, but am unclear if I can achieve the following…

In Mac Mail I use a Smart Mailbox to show me all unread emails (from any of 10 email accounts) and flagged emails. This is often less than 20 emails and are just those I need to work with; I find it a very efficient way to keep on top of emails. A Smart Mailbox is just a view onto a set of messages, it doesn’t involve any messages being moved or duplicated, they still live in their original mailboxes / folders.

It the Mac Mail toolbar, I have a Flag button I can click very quickly when I read an email that is important but I will deal with later, which ensures it doesn’t disappear from my Smart Mailbox until I unflag it.

Is there a way to achieve this workflow, or something close to it in Claws?

Thanks
John

From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Mon May  1 15:31:38 2017
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 15:31:38 +0200
Subject: [Users] 3.15.0 Package for Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <20170501133517.54897f61@korky-Inspiron-1525>
References: <20170416140203.4dea5287@dz> <1492367217.811.2.camel@zoho.com>
 <20170417134749.201c5ae6@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170417144942.4b2ac591@sleipner.datanom.net>
 <20170417142837.5662eceb@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170417084914.35340491@hawk.localdomain>
 <20170421092344.305a893e@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170421121417.2a64749e@utnubu>
 <20170501133517.54897f61@korky-Inspiron-1525>
Message-ID: <20170501153138.725d3c51@utnubu>

On Mon, 1 May 2017 13:35:17 +0100, Cliff Laine wrote:
>On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 12:14:17 +0200
>Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote:
>
>> 
>> How did you try to install the package or packages?  
>
>./configure , etc., didn't work, so tried autogen.sh -- that didn't
>work either.

Ok, this is not about the packages, but about configuring claws from
git.

>> Did you run
>> 
>> sudo apt update
>> sudo apt install build-essential
>> sudo apt install automake autoconf
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> Perhaps you missed to run "sudo apt update" first?  
>
>No, I did those.

Please run

sudo apt update
sudo apt install automake autoconf

again and post the output.

-- 
"Access to all language versions of Wikipedia was blocked in Turkey on
29 April 2017." -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_censorship_of_Wikipedia#Turkey



From clifflaine at europe.com  Mon May  1 15:37:32 2017
From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 14:37:32 +0100
Subject: [Users] 3.15.0 Package for Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <20170501153138.725d3c51@utnubu>
References: <20170416140203.4dea5287@dz> <1492367217.811.2.camel@zoho.com>
 <20170417134749.201c5ae6@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170417144942.4b2ac591@sleipner.datanom.net>
 <20170417142837.5662eceb@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170417084914.35340491@hawk.localdomain>
 <20170421092344.305a893e@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170421121417.2a64749e@utnubu>
 <20170501133517.54897f61@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170501153138.725d3c51@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20170501143732.508fc0af@korky-Inspiron-1525>

On Mon, 1 May 2017 15:31:38 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 1 May 2017 13:35:17 +0100, Cliff Laine wrote:
> >On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 12:14:17 +0200
> >Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote:
> >  
> >> 
> >> How did you try to install the package or packages?    
> >
> >./configure , etc., didn't work, so tried autogen.sh -- that didn't
> >work either.  
> 
> Ok, this is not about the packages, but about configuring claws from
> git.
> 
> >> Did you run
> >> 
> >> sudo apt update
> >> sudo apt install build-essential
> >> sudo apt install automake autoconf
> >> 
> >> ?
> >> 
> >> Perhaps you missed to run "sudo apt update" first?    
> >
> >No, I did those.  
> 
> Please run
> 
> sudo apt update
> sudo apt install automake autoconf
> 
> again and post the output.
> 

user at user-computer ~ $ sudo apt update
[sudo] password for user: 
Hit:1 http://ubuntu.mirrors.uk2.net/ubuntu xenial InRelease
Ign:2
http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/packages.linuxmint.com/packages
sarah InRelease Get:3 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security
InRelease [102 kB] Hit:4 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu xenial
InRelease Hit:5 http://ppa.launchpad.net/hanipouspilot/rtlwifi/ubuntu
xenial InRelease Hit:6 http://ubuntu.mirrors.uk2.net/ubuntu
xenial-updates InRelease Hit:7
http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/packages.linuxmint.com/packages
sarah Release Hit:8 http://ubuntu.mirrors.uk2.net/ubuntu
xenial-backports InRelease Fetched 102 kB in 1s (54.6 kB/s) Reading
package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state
information... Done All packages are up-to-date.

user at user-computer ~ $ sudo apt install automake autoconf Reading
package lists... Done Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
autoconf is already the newest version (2.69-9).
automake is already the newest version (1:1.15-4ubuntu1).
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
required: bogofilter bogofilter-bdb bogofilter-common
claws-mail-pgpinline claws-mail-pgpmime claws-mail-smime-plugin
claws-mail-spamassassin libgsl2 libnetaddr-ip-perl
libsys-hostname-long-perl spamassassin Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to
remove them. 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to
upgrade. 

user at user-computer ~ $ 


From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Mon May  1 16:04:33 2017
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 16:04:33 +0200
Subject: [Users] 3.15.0 Package for Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <20170501143732.508fc0af@korky-Inspiron-1525>
References: <20170416140203.4dea5287@dz> <1492367217.811.2.camel@zoho.com>
 <20170417134749.201c5ae6@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170417144942.4b2ac591@sleipner.datanom.net>
 <20170417142837.5662eceb@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170417084914.35340491@hawk.localdomain>
 <20170421092344.305a893e@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170421121417.2a64749e@utnubu>
 <20170501133517.54897f61@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170501153138.725d3c51@utnubu>
 <20170501143732.508fc0af@korky-Inspiron-1525>
Message-ID: <20170501160433.59f089b4@utnubu>

On Mon, 1 May 2017 14:37:32 +0100, Cliff Laine wrote:
>user at user-computer ~ $ sudo apt install automake autoconf Reading
>package lists... Done Building dependency tree       
>Reading state information... Done
>autoconf is already the newest version (2.69-9).
>automake is already the newest version (1:1.15-4ubuntu1).

Ok, they are already installed.

>The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
>required: bogofilter bogofilter-bdb bogofilter-common
>claws-mail-pgpinline claws-mail-pgpmime claws-mail-smime-plugin
>claws-mail-spamassassin libgsl2 libnetaddr-ip-perl
>libsys-hostname-long-perl spamassassin Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to
>remove them. 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to
>upgrade.

This would become an issue later. You need to mark all dependencies of
Claws related packages as manually installed, e.g. "spamassassin" and
autoremove the packages that belong to claws, e.g.
"claws-mail-spamassassin", but lets ignore this for the moment.

Please as user (not as superuser) run

git clone git://git.claws-mail.org/claws.git
cd claws/
git pull --all
make clean
./autogen.sh

and post the output of "./autogen.sh".

-- 
"Access to all language versions of Wikipedia was blocked in Turkey on
29 April 2017." -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_censorship_of_Wikipedia#Turkey



From clifflaine at europe.com  Mon May  1 16:14:33 2017
From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 15:14:33 +0100
Subject: [Users] 3.15.0 Package for Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <20170501160433.59f089b4@utnubu>
References: <20170416140203.4dea5287@dz> <1492367217.811.2.camel@zoho.com>
 <20170417134749.201c5ae6@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170417144942.4b2ac591@sleipner.datanom.net>
 <20170417142837.5662eceb@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170417084914.35340491@hawk.localdomain>
 <20170421092344.305a893e@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170421121417.2a64749e@utnubu>
 <20170501133517.54897f61@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170501153138.725d3c51@utnubu>
 <20170501143732.508fc0af@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170501160433.59f089b4@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20170501151433.671985bf@korky-Inspiron-1525>

On Mon, 1 May 2017 16:04:33 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote:
> 
> Please as user (not as superuser) run
> 
> git clone git://git.claws-mail.org/claws.git
> cd claws/
> git pull --all
> make clean
> ./autogen.sh
> 
> and post the output of "./autogen.sh".
> 

There's a long list of checks, which end...

checking for GLIB... no
configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.20 gmodule-2.0 >=
2.20 gobject-2.0 >= 2.20 gthread-2.0 >= 2.20) were not met:

No package 'glib-2.0' found
No package 'gmodule-2.0' found
No package 'gobject-2.0' found
No package 'gthread-2.0' found

Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

Alternatively, you may set the environment variables GLIB_CFLAGS
and GLIB_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.
user at user-computer ~/claws $ 



From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Mon May  1 17:02:58 2017
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 17:02:58 +0200
Subject: [Users] 3.15.0 Package for Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <20170501151433.671985bf@korky-Inspiron-1525>
References: <20170416140203.4dea5287@dz> <1492367217.811.2.camel@zoho.com>
 <20170417134749.201c5ae6@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170417144942.4b2ac591@sleipner.datanom.net>
 <20170417142837.5662eceb@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170417084914.35340491@hawk.localdomain>
 <20170421092344.305a893e@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170421121417.2a64749e@utnubu>
 <20170501133517.54897f61@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170501153138.725d3c51@utnubu>
 <20170501143732.508fc0af@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170501160433.59f089b4@utnubu>
 <20170501151433.671985bf@korky-Inspiron-1525>
Message-ID: <20170501170258.2c96b0d1@utnubu>

On Mon, 1 May 2017 15:14:33 +0100, Cliff Laine wrote:
>On Mon, 1 May 2017 16:04:33 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>post the output of "./autogen.sh".  
>
>There's a long list of checks, which end...
>
>checking for GLIB... no
>configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.20 gmodule-2.0 >=
>2.20 gobject-2.0 >= 2.20 gthread-2.0 >= 2.20) were not met:
>
>No package 'glib-2.0' found
>No package 'gmodule-2.0' found
>No package 'gobject-2.0' found
>No package 'gthread-2.0' found

You need to install the build dependencies. Most build dependencies, if
not all, could be installed automatically running

sudo apt build-dep claws-mail

(I don't know if you need to install the claws-mail source package to
use "apt build-dep", simply try first without installing it or by using
auto-apt, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutoApt .

However, it should be easy just to manually install the packages, maybe
with a little help from https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/claws-mail ,
resp.
https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/c/claws-mail/control-3.14.1-3
and http://packages.ubuntu.com/

For example 'glib-2.0' means that the development package of 'glib-2.0'
is missing, the Debian tracker helps you to find the Debian/Ubuntu
names, that usually divert in an idiotic way from upstream names.

Actually the name is "libglib2.0" and development packages have the
suffix "-dev", so you need to install the Ubuntu package
"libglib2.0-dev". The "Build-Depends" list should be more or less
complete, so start with installing all packages listed at
https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/c/claws-mail/control-3.14.1-3 .

Regarding the issue I mentioned by a previous mail read about "apt-mark
manual" e.g. at
https://superuser.com/questions/51158/in-ubuntu-debian-how-do-i-mark-a-package-as-non-auto-removable .

You might find additional Ubuntu related help at
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users .

Regards,
Ralf

-- 
"Access to all language versions of Wikipedia was blocked in Turkey on
29 April 2017." -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_censorship_of_Wikipedia#Turkey



From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Mon May  1 18:52:51 2017
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 12:52:51 -0400
Subject: [Users] Moving from Mac Mail to Claws - Smart Mailboxes
In-Reply-To: <AE1DBD1C-A69A-447A-9028-54E120A2E5A4@pollardweb.com>
References: <AE1DBD1C-A69A-447A-9028-54E120A2E5A4@pollardweb.com>
Message-ID: <20170501125251.7da12e9e@mydesk.domain.cxm>

On Mon, 1 May 2017 13:44:22 +0100, John Pollard <john at pollardweb.com>
wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> I have had a look at Filtering in Claws, but am unclear if I can
> achieve the following…
> 
> In Mac Mail I use a Smart Mailbox to show me all unread emails (from
> any of 10 email accounts) and flagged emails. This is often less than
> 20 emails and are just those I need to work with; I find it a very
> efficient way to keep on top of emails. A Smart Mailbox is just a
> view onto a set of messages, it doesn’t involve any messages being
> moved or duplicated, they still live in their original mailboxes /
> folders.
> 
> It the Mac Mail toolbar, I have a Flag button I can click very
> quickly when I read an email that is important but I will deal with
> later, which ensures it doesn’t disappear from my Smart Mailbox until
> I unflag it.
> 
> Is there a way to achieve this workflow, or something close to it in
> Claws?

Just make a "pending" folder, and move such emails to that folder.

SteveT


From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Mon May  1 18:58:50 2017
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 12:58:50 -0400
Subject: [Users] Moving from Mac Mail to Claws
In-Reply-To: <A0A4A1F9-67A3-43FD-B084-E2A09F16CF60@pollardweb.com>
References: <A0A4A1F9-67A3-43FD-B084-E2A09F16CF60@pollardweb.com>
Message-ID: <20170501125850.3af11107@mydesk.domain.cxm>

On Mon, 1 May 2017 12:42:49 +0100, John Pollard <john at pollardweb.com>
wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> I am a Mac user and developer of software that is deployed to Linux.
> I am looking at Ubuntu as an alternative to Mac for everything and so
> far am very impressed with what is available. Switching from Mac Mail
> to an Ubuntu email client could be a sticking point. Claws seems like
> a good bet from what I have read and I have had a play. I am
> concerned about searches:
> 
> I can see in Quick Search, Extended, I can do B mystring to search
> within one email account. But is there a way to search across
> multiple email accounts at in a single search. Mac Mail handles this
> very well by default.
> 
> Edit, Search Folder… let’s me search Body (for example), but it seems
> only in the mailbox I am currently viewing, not all mailboxes at the
> same time.
> 
> Searching an inbox of just 700 messages (imap accounts) in Claws for
> body text took many seconds. Searching body text over 1,000’s of
> emails takes minutes. On Mac Mail I can search 100,000+ message
> bodies  in a second.
> 
> Are Linux email clients just a long way behind Mac Mail in these
> respects - am I expecting too much?
> 
> Many thanks for any input.
> 
> John

Searching text in message bodies isn't Claws' long suit. I suspect but
can't prove that even when you issue a search like the following:

~D & al 20 & b beginner

it takes forever, and I suspect it's searching all messages for
"beginner" in the body, not just the not-deleted emails less than 20
days old.[1]

If I were a one issue voter and that issue were Claws Mail, I for
certain wouldn't be using Claws. But Claws-Mail has what I believe to
be the best mix of features.

[1] I store my messages in my local IMAP server,  so body searches must
go through IMAP, and that can't be fast. Your mileage may be different
with true local folders.

SteveT


From charlescurley at charlescurley.com  Mon May  1 19:09:08 2017
From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:09:08 -0600
Subject: [Users] Moving from Mac Mail to Claws
In-Reply-To: <20170501125850.3af11107@mydesk.domain.cxm>
References: <A0A4A1F9-67A3-43FD-B084-E2A09F16CF60@pollardweb.com>
 <20170501125850.3af11107@mydesk.domain.cxm>
Message-ID: <20170501110908.15828a39@hawk.localdomain>

On Mon, 1 May 2017 12:58:50 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> [1] I store my messages in my local IMAP server,  so body searches
> must go through IMAP, and that can't be fast. Your mileage may be
> different with true local folders.

For true local folders, you can use mairix. I am finding it to be very
fast. I think that might solve the OP's problem.

-- 

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the
place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
-- U.S. Const. Amendment IV

Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0  809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB


From andrej at kacian.sk  Mon May  1 20:07:49 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 20:07:49 +0200
Subject: [Users] Mouse hover and colours ?
In-Reply-To: <20170501145048.1bda7795@peter-asus64>
References: <20170501145048.1bda7795@peter-asus64>
Message-ID: <20170501200749.4d0641a8@hiker>

On Mon, 1 May 2017 14:50:48 +1000
Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Whenever I use the mouse to hover in Claws, what appears in the
> foreground is not clearly visible. It's a colour that is very
> light/bright, so I can't see the words written in the foreground
> display.

I'm not quite sure what you mean. The tooltip pop-ups (e.g. full
subject when hovering over a message in message list)? Their background
color is controlled by the window manager - at least in KDE
(systemsettings -> Application Appearance -> Colors).

Text color is probably as well.

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From codejodler at gmx.ch  Mon May  1 20:25:05 2017
From: codejodler at gmx.ch (mi)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 20:25:05 +0200
Subject: [Users] claws sending one IMAP account syncs also disabled
 other accounts ?
In-Reply-To: <20170430124017.3e9dc01f@kujata>
References: <20170430133217.36724fe5@lynx>
	<20170430124017.3e9dc01f@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170501202505.494bdc94@gandalf.lan2>

Paul,


ok, thx !

mi


From john at pollardweb.com  Mon May  1 20:36:08 2017
From: john at pollardweb.com (John Pollard)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 19:36:08 +0100
Subject: [Users] Moving from Mac Mail to Claws - Smart Mailboxes
In-Reply-To: <20170501125251.7da12e9e@mydesk.domain.cxm>
References: <AE1DBD1C-A69A-447A-9028-54E120A2E5A4@pollardweb.com>
 <20170501125251.7da12e9e@mydesk.domain.cxm>
Message-ID: <6CBFF50B-89BA-4AEF-A651-8C5FB456CFF8@pollardweb.com>

Do you mean with another filter to move them back to where they belong once marked as read / unflagged?
I guess if that is possible, each message would have to be moved back to the inbox from whence it originated, so a rule for each inbox.
I do think Apple are on to something with Smart Mailboxes giving a view onto sets of emails without having to shuffle them about.

> On 1 May 2017, at 17:52, Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 1 May 2017 13:44:22 +0100, John Pollard <john at pollardweb.com <mailto:john at pollardweb.com>>
> wrote:
>> Hi list,
>> 
>> I have had a look at Filtering in Claws, but am unclear if I can
>> achieve the following…
>> 
>> In Mac Mail I use a Smart Mailbox to show me all unread emails (from
>> any of 10 email accounts) and flagged emails. This is often less than
>> 20 emails and are just those I need to work with; I find it a very
>> efficient way to keep on top of emails. A Smart Mailbox is just a
>> view onto a set of messages, it doesn’t involve any messages being
>> moved or duplicated, they still live in their original mailboxes /
>> folders.
>> 
>> It the Mac Mail toolbar, I have a Flag button I can click very
>> quickly when I read an email that is important but I will deal with
>> later, which ensures it doesn’t disappear from my Smart Mailbox until
>> I unflag it.
>> 
>> Is there a way to achieve this workflow, or something close to it in
>> Claws?
> 
> Just make a "pending" folder, and move such emails to that folder.
> 
> SteveT
> _______________________________________________
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> Users at lists.claws-mail.org <mailto:Users at lists.claws-mail.org>
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From jjk at jjacky.com  Mon May  1 21:59:27 2017
From: jjk at jjacky.com (Olivier Brunel)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 21:59:27 +0200
Subject: [Users] Moving from Mac Mail to Claws - Smart Mailboxes
In-Reply-To: <AE1DBD1C-A69A-447A-9028-54E120A2E5A4@pollardweb.com>
References: <AE1DBD1C-A69A-447A-9028-54E120A2E5A4@pollardweb.com>
Message-ID: <20170501215927.3469ba60@jjacky.com>

On Mon, 1 May 2017 13:44:22 +0100
John Pollard <john at pollardweb.com> wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> I have had a look at Filtering in Claws, but am unclear if I can
> achieve the following…
> 
> In Mac Mail I use a Smart Mailbox to show me all unread emails (from
> any of 10 email accounts) and flagged emails. This is often less than
> 20 emails and are just those I need to work with; I find it a very
> efficient way to keep on top of emails. A Smart Mailbox is just a
> view onto a set of messages, it doesn’t involve any messages being
> moved or duplicated, they still live in their original mailboxes /
> folders.

Nothing in claws, but there's a patch[1] that adds a plugin for virtual
folders, which are basically search results. So you could have one that
shows all unread & flagged mails, even from different mailboxes.

Of course you'll have to patch/compile claws yourself to use it...

HTH,


[1]
http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2017-February/018660.html


> It the Mac Mail toolbar, I have a Flag button I can click very
> quickly when I read an email that is important but I will deal with
> later, which ensures it doesn’t disappear from my Smart Mailbox until
> I unflag it.
> 
> Is there a way to achieve this workflow, or something close to it in
> Claws?
> 
> Thanks
> John
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users


From john at pollardweb.com  Mon May  1 22:51:06 2017
From: john at pollardweb.com (John Pollard)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 21:51:06 +0100
Subject: [Users] Moving from Mac Mail to Claws - Smart Mailboxes
In-Reply-To: <20170501215927.3469ba60@jjacky.com>
References: <AE1DBD1C-A69A-447A-9028-54E120A2E5A4@pollardweb.com>
 <20170501215927.3469ba60@jjacky.com>
Message-ID: <240CDA83-D3BF-454F-BF51-1282E11C518F@pollardweb.com>

That sounds interesting. Would new emails arriving be able to combine with a vfolder of flagged and unread emails? It probably wouldn’t work for me if you have to manually run a new search to update that vfolder.

That patch with mairix might start to close the gap on Mac Mail smart mailbox and fast indexed searches.

Is Claws likely to adopt this vfolder patch into the main release in the future do you know?

Many thanks,
John

> On 1 May 2017, at 20:59, Olivier Brunel <jjk at jjacky.com> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 1 May 2017 13:44:22 +0100
> John Pollard <john at pollardweb.com <mailto:john at pollardweb.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi list,
>> 
>> I have had a look at Filtering in Claws, but am unclear if I can
>> achieve the following…
>> 
>> In Mac Mail I use a Smart Mailbox to show me all unread emails (from
>> any of 10 email accounts) and flagged emails. This is often less than
>> 20 emails and are just those I need to work with; I find it a very
>> efficient way to keep on top of emails. A Smart Mailbox is just a
>> view onto a set of messages, it doesn’t involve any messages being
>> moved or duplicated, they still live in their original mailboxes /
>> folders.
> 
> Nothing in claws, but there's a patch[1] that adds a plugin for virtual
> folders, which are basically search results. So you could have one that
> shows all unread & flagged mails, even from different mailboxes.
> 
> Of course you'll have to patch/compile claws yourself to use it...
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> [1]
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2017-February/018660.html <http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2017-February/018660.html>
> 
> 
>> It the Mac Mail toolbar, I have a Flag button I can click very
>> quickly when I read an email that is important but I will deal with
>> later, which ensures it doesn’t disappear from my Smart Mailbox until
>> I unflag it.
>> 
>> Is there a way to achieve this workflow, or something close to it in
>> Claws?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> John
>> _______________________________________________
>> Users mailing list
>> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
>> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org <mailto:Users at lists.claws-mail.org>
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users <http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users>
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From jjk at jjacky.com  Mon May  1 23:52:11 2017
From: jjk at jjacky.com (Olivier Brunel)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 23:52:11 +0200
Subject: [Users] Moving from Mac Mail to Claws - Smart Mailboxes
In-Reply-To: <240CDA83-D3BF-454F-BF51-1282E11C518F@pollardweb.com>
References: <AE1DBD1C-A69A-447A-9028-54E120A2E5A4@pollardweb.com>
 <20170501215927.3469ba60@jjacky.com>
 <240CDA83-D3BF-454F-BF51-1282E11C518F@pollardweb.com>
Message-ID: <20170501235211.2498a293@jjacky.com>

On Mon, 1 May 2017 21:51:06 +0100
John Pollard <john at pollardweb.com> wrote:

> That sounds interesting. Would new emails arriving be able to combine
> with a vfolder of flagged and unread emails? It probably wouldn’t
> work for me if you have to manually run a new search to update that
> vfolder.

virtual folders have an autorefresh option, so upon new mail in a
source folder the search is re-run automatically, therefore new mails
would show up both in the source folder (e.g. inbox) and the vfolder
automatically.

 
> That patch with mairix might start to close the gap on Mac Mail smart
> mailbox and fast indexed searches.
> 
> Is Claws likely to adopt this vfolder patch into the main release in
> the future do you know?

no idea, doesn't seem like there's much interest (from dev team) though.


> Many thanks,
> John
> 
> > On 1 May 2017, at 20:59, Olivier Brunel <jjk at jjacky.com> wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, 1 May 2017 13:44:22 +0100
> > John Pollard <john at pollardweb.com <mailto:john at pollardweb.com>>
> > wrote: 
> >> Hi list,
> >> 
> >> I have had a look at Filtering in Claws, but am unclear if I can
> >> achieve the following…
> >> 
> >> In Mac Mail I use a Smart Mailbox to show me all unread emails
> >> (from any of 10 email accounts) and flagged emails. This is often
> >> less than 20 emails and are just those I need to work with; I find
> >> it a very efficient way to keep on top of emails. A Smart Mailbox
> >> is just a view onto a set of messages, it doesn’t involve any
> >> messages being moved or duplicated, they still live in their
> >> original mailboxes / folders.  
> > 
> > Nothing in claws, but there's a patch[1] that adds a plugin for
> > virtual folders, which are basically search results. So you could
> > have one that shows all unread & flagged mails, even from different
> > mailboxes.
> > 
> > Of course you'll have to patch/compile claws yourself to use it...
> > 
> > HTH,
> > 
> > 
> > [1]
> > http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2017-February/018660.html
> > <http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2017-February/018660.html>
> > 
> >   
> >> It the Mac Mail toolbar, I have a Flag button I can click very
> >> quickly when I read an email that is important but I will deal with
> >> later, which ensures it doesn’t disappear from my Smart Mailbox
> >> until I unflag it.
> >> 
> >> Is there a way to achieve this workflow, or something close to it
> >> in Claws?
> >> 
> >> Thanks
> >> John
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Users mailing list
> >> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> >> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users  
> > _______________________________________________
> > Users mailing list
> > Users at lists.claws-mail.org <mailto:Users at lists.claws-mail.org>
> > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
> > <http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users>  



From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue May  2 00:15:40 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 23:15:40 +0100
Subject: [Users] Moving from Mac Mail to Claws - Smart Mailboxes
In-Reply-To: <20170501235211.2498a293@jjacky.com>
References: <AE1DBD1C-A69A-447A-9028-54E120A2E5A4@pollardweb.com>
 <20170501215927.3469ba60@jjacky.com>
 <240CDA83-D3BF-454F-BF51-1282E11C518F@pollardweb.com>
 <20170501235211.2498a293@jjacky.com>
Message-ID: <20170501231540.5669b1a9@kujata>

On Mon, 1 May 2017 23:52:11 +0200
Olivier Brunel <jjk at jjacky.com> wrote: 

> no idea, doesn't seem like there's much interest (from dev team)
> though.

Well, actually we've made attempts to engage with you and get a
conversation going - as you know - to discuss the plugin but you've
not proved very talkative so far.

with regards

Paul


From peter777 at users.sourceforge.net  Tue May  2 01:44:46 2017
From: peter777 at users.sourceforge.net (Peter Richards)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 09:44:46 +1000
Subject: [Users] Mouse hover and colours ?
In-Reply-To: <20170501200749.4d0641a8@hiker>
References: <20170501145048.1bda7795@peter-asus64>
 <20170501200749.4d0641a8@hiker>
Message-ID: <20170502094446.00b13bf1@peter-asus64>

On Mon, 1 May 2017 20:07:49 +0200
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

> On Mon, 1 May 2017 14:50:48 +1000
> Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> 
> > Whenever I use the mouse to hover in Claws, what appears in the
> > foreground is not clearly visible. It's a colour that is very
> > light/bright, so I can't see the words written in the foreground
> > display.  
> 
> I'm not quite sure what you mean. The tooltip pop-ups (e.g. full
> subject when hovering over a message in message list)? Their
> background color is controlled by the window manager - at least in KDE
> (systemsettings -> Application Appearance -> Colors).
> 
> Text color is probably as well.

The KDE/System settings seem fine, see:

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipOpK4-4kroECd89mIMHQYBtDX0mjPz0Nz0dKPhI/photo/AF1QipOF9eHVJinBwBkFESommbxXfew8x2oC_pMAi2eZ

Black background - white test for Tool Tip

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipOpK4-4kroECd89mIMHQYBtDX0mjPz0Nz0dKPhI/photo/AF1QipOJjJ2sJBjwYxQvT5HNBYWzox2VmS2j6F0Z0H73

However, whilst Claws seems to be doing the white text for the tool tip
(difficult to see), there is no black background. Seems the tool tip
background colour from KDE/System is being overwritten with the same
colour as the tool tip text. making it impossible to read any tool tips:

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipOpK4-4kroECd89mIMHQYBtDX0mjPz0Nz0dKPhI/photo/AF1QipM4HmhpM3wSlaY2EpKpwSS_JWzc1RqKMiuSuNfI

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipOpK4-4kroECd89mIMHQYBtDX0mjPz0Nz0dKPhI/photo/AF1QipPOMxFvL5MIuAEyyUI4kU8PiN6AOp8hEycVMK3h

Regards,

Peter


From peter777 at users.sourceforge.net  Tue May  2 02:00:24 2017
From: peter777 at users.sourceforge.net (Peter Richards)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 10:00:24 +1000
Subject: [Users] Mouse hover and colours ?
In-Reply-To: <20170502094446.00b13bf1@peter-asus64>
References: <20170501145048.1bda7795@peter-asus64>
 <20170501200749.4d0641a8@hiker>
 <20170502094446.00b13bf1@peter-asus64>
Message-ID: <20170502100024.3cacad2c@peter-asus64>

On Tue, 2 May 2017 09:44:46 +1000
Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 1 May 2017 20:07:49 +0200
> Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 1 May 2017 14:50:48 +1000
> > Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> >   
> > > Whenever I use the mouse to hover in Claws, what appears in the
> > > foreground is not clearly visible. It's a colour that is very
> > > light/bright, so I can't see the words written in the foreground
> > > display.    
> > 
> > I'm not quite sure what you mean. The tooltip pop-ups (e.g. full
> > subject when hovering over a message in message list)? Their
> > background color is controlled by the window manager - at least in
> > KDE (systemsettings -> Application Appearance -> Colors).
> > 
> > Text color is probably as well.  
> 
> The KDE/System settings seem fine, see:
> 
> https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipOpK4-4kroECd89mIMHQYBtDX0mjPz0Nz0dKPhI/photo/AF1QipOF9eHVJinBwBkFESommbxXfew8x2oC_pMAi2eZ
> 
> Black background - white test for Tool Tip
> 
> https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipOpK4-4kroECd89mIMHQYBtDX0mjPz0Nz0dKPhI/photo/AF1QipOJjJ2sJBjwYxQvT5HNBYWzox2VmS2j6F0Z0H73
> 
> However, whilst Claws seems to be doing the white text for the tool
> tip (difficult to see), there is no black background. Seems the tool
> tip background colour from KDE/System is being overwritten with the
> same colour as the tool tip text. making it impossible to read any
> tool tips:
> 
> https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipOpK4-4kroECd89mIMHQYBtDX0mjPz0Nz0dKPhI/photo/AF1QipM4HmhpM3wSlaY2EpKpwSS_JWzc1RqKMiuSuNfI
> 
> https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipOpK4-4kroECd89mIMHQYBtDX0mjPz0Nz0dKPhI/photo/AF1QipPOMxFvL5MIuAEyyUI4kU8PiN6AOp8hEycVMK3h
> 

Sorry, had problems with sharing on GMail/Google, there is a 'Claws'
album at:

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMljNig9oCqkjAMMn2cHMpBF-6KJuzBEAaY8RjXp1w5_rD36KrZfUvSo_2dksejUg?key=ZG40cFNFX0MtTkpOaWZ0S1FPZ3hpSld6anJabHJn

Peter


From eagirard at cox.net  Tue May  2 05:51:31 2017
From: eagirard at cox.net (eagirard at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 22:51:31 -0500
Subject: [Users] Outlook,com, IMAP, OpenBSD
Message-ID: <20170501235131.KU8VO.386631.imail@eastrmwml107>

Is outlook.com mail dog-slow over IMAP for the past couple of months nn
OpenBSD?

-- 

Edward Ahlsen-Girard
Ft Walton Beach, FL


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue May  2 06:43:41 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 04:43:41 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3820] New: Attachment filename not set correctly
Message-ID: <bug-3820-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3820

            Bug ID: 3820
           Summary: Attachment filename not set correctly
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail (Windows)
           Version: 3.15.0
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Windows 10
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mystara at me.com

I have found that ClawsMail cannot set the long filename to attachment
correctly.

_2旅費交通費精算書_201704_○○.xls    ⇒    旅費交通費精算書_201704_○○.x
_2旅費交通費精算書_20170_○○.xls    ⇒    旅費交通費精算書_20170_○○.xl

Is it some sort of limitation?

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.

From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue May  2 08:53:06 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 06:53:06 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3820] Attachment filename not set correctly
In-Reply-To: <bug-3820-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3820-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3820-595-VhiBRKRizN@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3820

--- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
Probably just a bug in conversion from UTF-16 to UTF-8. When do you see this?
When trying to attach a file to a new message?

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From jjk at jjacky.com  Tue May  2 09:36:22 2017
From: jjk at jjacky.com (Olivier Brunel)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 09:36:22 +0200
Subject: [Users] Moving from Mac Mail to Claws - Smart Mailboxes
In-Reply-To: <20170501231540.5669b1a9@kujata>
References: <AE1DBD1C-A69A-447A-9028-54E120A2E5A4@pollardweb.com>
 <20170501215927.3469ba60@jjacky.com>
 <240CDA83-D3BF-454F-BF51-1282E11C518F@pollardweb.com>
 <20170501235211.2498a293@jjacky.com>
 <20170501231540.5669b1a9@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170502093622.544c8157@jjacky.com>

On Mon, 1 May 2017 23:15:40 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 1 May 2017 23:52:11 +0200
> Olivier Brunel <jjk at jjacky.com> wrote: 
> 
> > no idea, doesn't seem like there's much interest (from dev team)
> > though.  
> 
> Well, actually we've made attempts to engage with you and get a
> conversation going - as you know - to discuss the plugin but you've
> not proved very talkative so far.

that's one way to present things I guess. you're referring to IRC,
where we have talked a bit yes, though not about vfolder. I've also
repeatedly told (you) that IRC wasn't really good for me/my schedule.

On the other hand you do have a mailing list, where patches are to be
sent & discussed. It was sent January 15. Few days later I had comments
about compatibility issue with old glib, so a v2 was sent that day.
Since then silence.

Little over a month later a v3 was sent, fixing some bugs. No response
either, though you pointed me (on IRC) to another ML more appropriate
for discussing the plugin/patch; so I then sent a mail there. That was
also late February and also got no response to this day.

Hence me saying you guys don't seem much interested, or should I have
said, have not been very talkative so far.

Cheers,


> with regards
> 
> Paul
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From olaf at aepfle.de  Tue May  2 10:19:51 2017
From: olaf at aepfle.de (Olaf Hering)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 10:19:51 +0200
Subject: [Users] Messages not marked as read in UI
Message-ID: <20170502101936.0626b4ab.olaf@aepfle.de>

When setting a conversation to ignore the UI us not fully updated:

Gmail IMAP folder, folder view set to threaded, all conversations collapsed, sorted by date, ascending.
Regular poll interval finds new messages in a folder, all new messages are part of a new conversation.
Shift+g to jump to this folder.
The new first mail in conversation is selected and opened.
Select Message->Mark->Ignore conversation.
The folder is marked as read in the folder list on the left side, no new messages anymore.
The conversation in message list is still selected, but still marked as unread/bold.
Shift+p to move to previous conversation, but the new conversation still marked as unread/bold.

To actually show it as read: either wait for the next poll interval or select another folder, then move back.


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From al-clawsmail at none.at  Tue May  2 11:30:51 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 11:30:51 +0200
Subject: [Users] Question about [Bug 2371] Port to GTK+3.0
Message-ID: <20170502113051.00004776@none.at>

Hi.

Are there any builds for windows with the first attemtpts for GTK+ 3?

I'm willing to test this version.

How are the opinions to port claws to qt?

Best regards
Aleks


From andrej at kacian.sk  Tue May  2 12:09:16 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 12:09:16 +0200
Subject: [Users] Question about [Bug 2371] Port to GTK+3.0
In-Reply-To: <20170502113051.00004776@none.at>
References: <20170502113051.00004776@none.at>
Message-ID: <20170502120916.18e8e06a@hiker>

On Tue, 2 May 2017 11:30:51 +0200
Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> Are there any builds for windows with the first attemtpts for GTK+ 3?
> 
> I'm willing to test this version.

There is nothing to test, as the source code will need lot of work to
even build against GTK3 successfully. And it seems that nobody is
bothered enough about it to work on it - or if they are, they're
working on it quietly, without telling anyone else.

> How are the opinions to port claws to qt?

Very divided. :)

Regards,
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue May  2 13:07:04 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 11:07:04 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3820] Attachment filename not set correctly
In-Reply-To: <bug-3820-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3820-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3820-595-wTLxA9OAhR@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3820

--- Comment #2 from mystara at me.com ---
Thanks for your reply. I attached the file just after create a new message.
The attachment tab of that message is showing filename correctly.
I can find the incorrect filename at sent-folder (and inbox -- I sent it me by
BCC) after I send it.

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From john at pollardweb.com  Tue May  2 13:59:17 2017
From: john at pollardweb.com (John Pollard)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 12:59:17 +0100
Subject: [Users] Moving from Mac Mail to Claws
In-Reply-To: <20170501110908.15828a39@hawk.localdomain>
References: <A0A4A1F9-67A3-43FD-B084-E2A09F16CF60@pollardweb.com>
 <20170501125850.3af11107@mydesk.domain.cxm>
 <20170501110908.15828a39@hawk.localdomain>
Message-ID: <F4185C3F-FD58-4698-8655-260CC8DACD5E@pollardweb.com>

Out of interest, I investigated recoll as an indexing/search tool and it did index all my emails and provided very fast search results. However, I think I would want email searches to happen within Claws, not run from a separate application. Recoll used to have a lens integration with Dash but that seems to have stopped working / is no longer supported. Being able to quickly search for emails via Dash might be a second best to searching directly within the Email program if I could get that working. I am yet to try mairix to see how smooth that might be with Claws.

> On 1 May 2017, at 18:09, Charles Curley <charlescurley at charlescurley.com> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 1 May 2017 12:58:50 -0400
> Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> 
>> [1] I store my messages in my local IMAP server,  so body searches
>> must go through IMAP, and that can't be fast. Your mileage may be
>> different with true local folders.
> 
> For true local folders, you can use mairix. I am finding it to be very
> fast. I think that might solve the OP's problem.
> 
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue May  2 15:59:53 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 13:59:53 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3818] On Mailbox with various folders with unread mail
 "next unread" jumps to next folder with unread mail
In-Reply-To: <bug-3818-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3818-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3818-595-VJ4chDqCMU@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3818

tschweikle at gmail.com changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
         Resolution|INVALID                     |---

--- Comment #2 from tschweikle at gmail.com ---
You did not understand what I was writing?!

Following:
- three folders with unread mail. I'll call them A,B,C

Now:
A -- Unread 1
     Unread 2
     Unread 3

B -- Unread 1
     Unread 2
     Unread 3

C -- Unread 1
     Unread 2
     Unread 3

First time pressing "next unread"

A -- read 1
     unread 2
     unread 3

B -- unread 1
     unread 2
     unread 3

C -- unread 1
     unread 2
     unread 3

Second time pressing "next unread"

A -- read 1
     unread 2
     unread 3

B -- read 1
     unread 2
     unread 3

C -- unread 1
     unread 2
     unread 3

Third time pressing "next unread"

A -- read 1
     unread 2
     unread 3

B -- read 1
     unread 2
     unread 3

C -- read 1
     unread 2
     unread 3

Fourth time pressing "next unread"

A -- read 1
     read 2
     unread 3

B -- read 1
     unread 2
     unread 3

C -- read 1
     unread 2
     unread 3

Fifth time pressing "next unread"

A -- read 1
     read 2
     unread 3

B -- read 1
     read 2
     unread 3

C -- read 1
     unread 2
     unread 3

...


Next is next. But I'd have had the intention going thru unread mail in folder
A, then B, then C, not A1, B1, C1, A2, B2, C2, A3, B3, C3.

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From al-clawsmail at none.at  Tue May  2 16:09:15 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 16:09:15 +0200
Subject: [Users] Question about [Bug 2371] Port to GTK+3.0
In-Reply-To: <20170502120916.18e8e06a@hiker>
References: <20170502113051.00004776@none.at> <20170502120916.18e8e06a@hiker>
Message-ID: <20170502160915.000042c7@none.at>

Am Tue, 2 May 2017 12:09:16 +0200
schrieb Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk>:

> Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at>
> > Hi.
> > 
> > Are there any builds for windows with the first attemtpts for GTK+
> > 3?
> > 
> > I'm willing to test this version.  
> 
> There is nothing to test, as the source code will need lot of work to
> even build against GTK3 successfully. And it seems that nobody is
> bothered enough about it to work on it - or if they are, they're
> working on it quietly, without telling anyone else.

Okay thanks.

> > How are the opinions to port claws to qt?  
> 
> Very divided. :)
> 
> Regards,


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue May  2 16:10:24 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 14:10:24 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3818] On Mailbox with various folders with unread mail
 "next unread" jumps to next folder with unread mail
In-Reply-To: <bug-3818-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3818-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3818-595-7jqHgFFwdg@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3818

--- Comment #3 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
When you say 'Selecting "next unread" will jump to next unread mail.' in
comment #1, what menu item is it that you are a "selecting"

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue May  2 16:50:07 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 14:50:07 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3818] On Mailbox with various folders with unread mail
 "next unread" jumps to next folder with unread mail
In-Reply-To: <bug-3818-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3818-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3818-595-89NDhkPzRe@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3818

--- Comment #4 from Olivier Brunel <jjk at jjacky.com> ---
Any chance you're sorting descending? Because then I would argue that 'next' is
previous (by way of the infamous "sort order awareness"), and since there's no
previous unread mail claws then continues to another folder...

Hence my proposal[1] for an option to disable such "awareness" some time ago...

[1] http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2017-March/018931.html

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From clifflaine at europe.com  Tue May  2 18:53:27 2017
From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 17:53:27 +0100
Subject: [Users] 3.15.0 Package for Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <20170501170258.2c96b0d1@utnubu>
References: <20170416140203.4dea5287@dz> <1492367217.811.2.camel@zoho.com>
 <20170417134749.201c5ae6@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170417144942.4b2ac591@sleipner.datanom.net>
 <20170417142837.5662eceb@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170417084914.35340491@hawk.localdomain>
 <20170421092344.305a893e@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170421121417.2a64749e@utnubu>
 <20170501133517.54897f61@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170501153138.725d3c51@utnubu>
 <20170501143732.508fc0af@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170501160433.59f089b4@utnubu>
 <20170501151433.671985bf@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170501170258.2c96b0d1@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20170502175327.055f282b@korky-Inspiron-1525>

Ralf, just a shorthand reply...I'd like to thank you for all the help
you've given me. I've ended up with a more up to date version of CM,
and more importantly than that, how to get there without relying on
repositories too much.

Many thanks

Cliff


From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Wed May  3 06:14:36 2017
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 06:14:36 +0200
Subject: [Users] 3.15.0 Package for Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <20170502175327.055f282b@korky-Inspiron-1525>
References: <20170416140203.4dea5287@dz> <1492367217.811.2.camel@zoho.com>
 <20170417134749.201c5ae6@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170417144942.4b2ac591@sleipner.datanom.net>
 <20170417142837.5662eceb@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170417084914.35340491@hawk.localdomain>
 <20170421092344.305a893e@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170421121417.2a64749e@utnubu>
 <20170501133517.54897f61@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170501153138.725d3c51@utnubu>
 <20170501143732.508fc0af@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170501160433.59f089b4@utnubu>
 <20170501151433.671985bf@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170501170258.2c96b0d1@utnubu>
 <20170502175327.055f282b@korky-Inspiron-1525>
Message-ID: <20170503061436.23b1e1a7@utnubu>

On Tue, 2 May 2017 17:53:27 +0100, Cliff Laine wrote:
>Ralf, just a shorthand reply...I'd like to thank you for all the help
>you've given me. I've ended up with a more up to date version of CM,
>and more importantly than that, how to get there without relying on
>repositories too much.
>
>Many thanks


You are welcome!

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed May  3 10:19:40 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 08:19:40 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3818] On Mailbox with various folders with unread mail
 "next unread" jumps to next folder with unread mail
In-Reply-To: <bug-3818-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3818-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3818-595-yYfQ21uXIn@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3818

--- Comment #5 from tschweikle at gmail.com ---
Menu-item selected: "Ansicht -> Gehe zu ... -> Nächste ungelesene Nachricht"
(View -> Go to ... -> Next unread message")

And as one stated: Sort order: by date, descending

It is right:
setting sort order to "ascending" makes it behave as i am awaiting: going
through all unread messages of one folder, then, after none are left going to
the next folder with unread messages, starting at the first unread message (the
oldest in this case).

setting sort order to "descending" makes it behave as I never would think of:
it jumps to the latest message in sort order, not the oldest unread, then I
have to use "previous unread message" to jump to the next message, telling me
no unread messages are left if I reach the last unread message within this
folder and no other folder upwards has unread messages. To move to the next
folder with unread messages I have to use "next unread message", within the
folder I have to switch to "previous unread message" to scan through all
messages within this folder.

In my opinion "next unread message" should behave intuitively in all cases:
* sort order "ascending": going to the top unread message in list, descending
downward until no more unread messages are left, then continuing with the next
folder in folder pane with unread messages.
* sort order "descending": going to the last unread message in list, ascending
upward until no more unread messages are left, then continuing with the next
folder in folder pane with unread messages.

For "previous unread message" the same:
* sort order "ascending": going to the last unread message in list, ascending
upward until no more unread messages are left, then continuing with the
previous folder in folder pane with unread messages.
* sort order "descending": going to the top unread message in list, descending
downward until no more unread messages are left, then continuing with the
previous folder in folder pane with unread messages.

In short:
- "next" in all cases means "next", as you would expect it.
- "previous" in all cases means "previous", as you would expect it.
regardless of displaying lists sorted "ascending" or "descending".

As it is now, "next" and "previous" change meaning if you change sort order,
because "next" doesn't do what would be correct in such cases: jump to the
downmost message and not to the top message. As does "previous": jump to the
downmost message, instead to the top one if sort order is descending.

This could be overcome, if not using displaylist, but the sorted list to find
the "next" or "previous" unread messages.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed May  3 10:22:21 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 08:22:21 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3818] On Mailbox with various folders with unread mail
 "next unread" jumps to next folder with unread mail
In-Reply-To: <bug-3818-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3818-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3818-595-Gd1DLr1KNK@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3818

--- Comment #6 from tschweikle at gmail.com ---
BTW: "previous unread message" doesn't jump to the previous folder, if no more
unread messages are in the current folder. "next unread message" does jump to
the next folder if no more unread messages are in the current folder.

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From al-clawsmail at none.at  Wed May  3 12:46:22 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 12:46:22 +0200
Subject: [Users] Question about plugin vcalendar
Message-ID: <20170503124622.00007feb@none.at>

Hi.

I have several ical calendars.

Is there an option where I can create a combined view to see all
events / entries in all calenderas in one view?

If not is there a plan to add such a feature?
What's the best place to add such a view in the vcalendar plugin?

Regards
aleks


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed May  3 12:56:50 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 10:56:50 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3818] On Mailbox with various folders with unread mail
 "next unread" jumps to next folder with unread mail
In-Reply-To: <bug-3818-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3818-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3818-595-bIVhp1EKey@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3818

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #7 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
(In reply to comment #5)
> setting sort order to "descending" makes it behave as I never would think
> of: it jumps to the latest message in sort order, not the oldest unread,
> then I have to use "previous unread message" to jump to the next message,

That's been fixed in GIT since the last release.

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From al-clawsmail at none.at  Wed May  3 15:31:06 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 15:31:06 +0200
Subject: [Users] Windows build question
Message-ID: <20170503153106.00007da5@none.at>

Hi all.

I have tried to build claws for windows on ubuntu 17.04 64bit.

I got this error.

###
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating packages/Makefile
config.status: creating src/Makefile
config.status: creating po/Makefile.in
config.status: creating src/Toolchain-mingw32.cmake
config.status: error: cannot find input file: `po/build-cc.in'
###

This are the steps which I have done.

###
curl -vLO
http://www.claws-mail.org/download.php?file=releases/claws-mail-3.15.0.tar.xz
curl -vOL
http://www.claws-mail.org/download.php?file=win32/claws-mail-win32-3.15.0-1.tar.bz2

apt install automake autoconf mingw-w64 mingw-w64-i686-dev
mingw-w64-x86-64-dev  nsis  stow unzip texinfo imagemagick
docbook-utils sharutils gettext libglib2.0-dev  libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev
docbook-utils ghostscript texlive  texlive-latex-extra  latex-xcolor
libqt4-dev-bin bison flex gperf intltool

tar xfvJ claws-mail-3.15.0.tar.xz
tar xfvz claws-mail-win32-3.15.0-1.tar.bz2
cd claws-mail-3.15.0/
cp -avx ../claws-mail-win32-3.15.0-1/* .
cd packages/
./download.sh
cd ../
./autogen.sh --build-w64
###

This is the full output of autogen

####
root at ubuntu-512mb-fra1-01:~/claws-mail-3.15.0# ./autogen.sh --build-w64
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for x86_64-w64-mingw32-strip... x86_64-w64-mingw32-strip
checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p
checking for gawk... gawk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking whether make supports nested variables... yes
checking whether UID '0' is supported by ustar format... yes
checking whether GID '0' is supported by ustar format... yes
checking how to create a ustar tar archive... gnutar
checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles...
yes checking build system type... x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
checking host system type... x86_64-w64-mingw32
checking whether NLS is requested... yes
checking for msgfmt... /usr/bin/msgfmt
checking for gmsgfmt... /usr/bin/msgfmt
checking for xgettext... /usr/bin/xgettext
checking for msgmerge... /usr/bin/msgmerge
checking for x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc... x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.exe
checking for suffix of executables... .exe
checking whether we are cross compiling... yes
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc option to accept ISO C89... none
needed checking whether x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc understands -c and -o
together... yes checking for style of include used by make... GNU
checking dependency style of x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc... gcc3
checking how to run the C preprocessor... x86_64-w64-mingw32-gcc -E
checking for x86_64-w64-mingw32-ranlib... x86_64-w64-mingw32-ranlib
checking for x86_64-w64-mingw32-ar... x86_64-w64-mingw32-ar
checking for x86_64-w64-mingw32-strip... (cached)
x86_64-w64-mingw32-strip checking for x86_64-w64-mingw32-dlltool...
x86_64-w64-mingw32-dlltool checking for make... make
checking for unzip... unzip
checking for tar... tar
checking for mkdir... mkdir
checking for cp... cp
checking for rm... rm
checking for bison... bison
checking for flex... flex
checking for pkg-config... pkg-config
checking for gperf... gperf
checking for intltool-merge... intltool-merge
checking for stow... stow
checking for makensis... makensis
checking for zcat... zcat
checking for texi2dvi... texi2dvi
checking for dvipdf... dvipdf
checking for convert... convert
checking for sha1sum... sha1sum
checking for msgfmt... /usr/bin/msgfmt
checking for gcc... gcc
checking for docbook2html... docbook2html
checking for docbook2txt... docbook2txt
checking for docbook2ps... docbook2ps
checking for docbook2pdf... docbook2pdf
checking for wget... wget
checking for packages directory... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages
checking for Bash... 4.4.5(1)-release
checking for package
zlib... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/zlib-1.2.11.tar.gz checking
for package
bzip2... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/bzip2-1.0.6-g10.tar.gz
checking for package
w32pth... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/w32pth-2.0.5.tar.bz2
checking for package
jpeg... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/jpeg-9.tar.gz checking for
package gmp... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/gmp-6.1.1.tar.xz
checking for package
regex... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/regex-20090805.tar.gz
checking for package
crypt... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/crypt-1.1.tar.gz checking for
package
pkgconfig... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/pkgconfig-0.23.zip
checking for package
pkgconfig... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/pkgconfig-0.23.tar.gz
checking for package
libiconv... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/libiconv-1.14.tar.gz
checking for package
gettext... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/gettext-0.19.8.tar.xz
checking for package
libffi... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/libffi-3.0.13.tar.gz
checking for package
glib... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/glib-2.49.2.tar.xz checking
for package
expat... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/expat-2.2.0.tar.bz2 checking
for package
pixman... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/pixman-0.32.6.tar.gz
checking for package
cairo... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/cairo-1.10.2.tar.gz checking
for package atk... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/atk-2.20.0.tar.xz
checking for package
fontconfig... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/fontconfig-2.11.1.tar.bz2
checking for package
freetype... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/freetype-2.6.tar.bz2
checking for package
gdk-pixbuf... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/gdk-pixbuf-2.35.2.tar.xz
checking for package
libpng... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/libpng-1.4.20.tar.xz
checking for package
enchant... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/enchant-1.6.0.tar.gz
checking for package
libgpg-error... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/libgpg-error-1.25.tar.bz2
checking for package
libgcrypt... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/libgcrypt-1.7.3.tar.bz2
checking for package
libassuan... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/libassuan-2.4.3.tar.bz2
checking for package
gpgme... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/gpgme-1.8.0.tar.bz2 checking
for package
libxml2... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/libxml2-2.9.4.tar.gz
checking for package
libxslt... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/libxslt-1.1.29.tar.gz
checking for package
libtasn1... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/libtasn1-4.8.tar.gz
checking for package
nettle... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/nettle-3.2.tar.gz checking
for package
gnutls... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/gnutls-3.5.2.tar.xz checking
for package
glib-networking... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/glib-networking-2.48.2.tar.xz
checking for package
sqlite-autoconf... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/sqlite-autoconf-3150200.tar.gz
checking for package
libsoup... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/libsoup-2.56.0.tar.xz
checking for package
libwebp... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/libwebp-0.5.1.tar.gz
checking for package
icu4c... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/icu4c-58_2-src.tgz checking
for package
harfbuzz... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/harfbuzz-1.3.3.tar.bz2
checking for package
pango... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/pango-1.34.1.tar.xz checking
for package
gtk+... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/gtk+-2.24.31.tar.xz checking
for package
webkitgtk... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/webkitgtk-2.3.5a.tar.xz
checking for package
curl... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/curl-7.51.0.tar.bz2 checking
for package
cyrus-sasl... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/cyrus-sasl-2.1.26.tar.gz
checking for package
libetpan... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/libetpan-1.6.tar.gz
checking for package
bsfilter-bin... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/bsfilter-1.0.16-bin.tar.gz
checking for package
bsfilter-lib... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/bsfilter-1.0.16-lib.tar.gz
checking for package
bsfilter-src... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/bsfilter-1.0.16-src.tar.gz
checking for package
libical... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/libical-2.0.0.tar.gz
checking for package
ytnef... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/ytnef-1.9.1.tar.xz
checking for package
claws-mail... /root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/claws-mail-3.15.0.tar.xz
checking build list... bsfilter bzip2 crypt cyrus-sasl expat gmp icu4c
jpeg libical libiconv libtasn1 pkgconfig regex sqlite-autoconf w32pth
ytnef zlib nettle gettext libpng libffi libwebp libxml2 freetype
libgpg-error pixman glib libxslt fontconfig libassuan libgcrypt enchant
gdk-pixbuf atk cairo gpgme gnutls harfbuzz libetpan curl
glib-networking pango libsoup gtk+ webkitgtk claws-mail
checking additional host build list... checking that generated files
are newer than configure... done
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating packages/Makefile
onfig.status: creating src/Makefile
config.status: creating po/Makefile.in
config.status: creating src/Toolchain-mingw32.cmake
config.status: error: cannot find input file: `po/build-cc.in'
###


From andrej at kacian.sk  Wed May  3 15:44:48 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 15:44:48 +0200
Subject: [Users] Windows build question
In-Reply-To: <20170503153106.00007da5@none.at>
References: <20170503153106.00007da5@none.at>
Message-ID: <20170503154448.77b9ea79@hiker>

On Wed, 3 May 2017 15:31:06 +0200
Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> I have tried to build claws for windows on ubuntu 17.04 64bit.
> 
> I got this error.
> 
> ###
> configure: creating ./config.status
> config.status: creating Makefile
> config.status: creating packages/Makefile
> config.status: creating src/Makefile
> config.status: creating po/Makefile.in
> config.status: creating src/Toolchain-mingw32.cmake
> config.status: error: cannot find input file: `po/build-cc.in'
> ###

Hello Aleks,

it is possible that this file is missing from the installer source
tarball. It is certainly included in the master git repo.
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws-win32-installer.git;a=tree;f=po

I will check it when I have time and make sure that it gets included in
future release tarballs if needed. In the meantime, you can get it from
git.

Thanks,
-- 
Andrej


From al-clawsmail at none.at  Wed May  3 17:36:32 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 17:36:32 +0200
Subject: [Users] Windows build question
In-Reply-To: <20170503154448.77b9ea79@hiker>
References: <20170503153106.00007da5@none.at> <20170503154448.77b9ea79@hiker>
Message-ID: <20170503173632.00001bd0@none.at>

Hi Andrej.

Am Wed, 3 May 2017 15:44:48 +0200
schrieb Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk>:

> On Wed, 3 May 2017 15:31:06 +0200
> Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all.
> > 
> > I have tried to build claws for windows on ubuntu 17.04 64bit.
> > 
> > I got this error.
> > 
> > ###
> > configure: creating ./config.status
> > config.status: creating Makefile
> > config.status: creating packages/Makefile
> > config.status: creating src/Makefile
> > config.status: creating po/Makefile.in
> > config.status: creating src/Toolchain-mingw32.cmake
> > config.status: error: cannot find input file: `po/build-cc.in'
> > ###  
> 
> Hello Aleks,
> 
> it is possible that this file is missing from the installer source
> tarball. It is certainly included in the master git repo.
> http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws-win32-installer.git;a=tree;f=po
> 
> I will check it when I have time and make sure that it gets included
> in future release tarballs if needed. In the meantime, you can get it
> from git.


Thanks.
I'm now on the way to build claws for windows.

Best regards
Aleks


From al-clawsmail at none.at  Wed May  3 18:00:00 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 18:00:00 +0200
Subject: [Users] change from per mail folder
Message-ID: <20170503180000.000022de@none.at>

Hi.

I have seen in the file folderitemrc several *_from_* options.

My current setup was in roundcube to add a e-mail alias like
al-clawsmail at none.at and when I klickend on 'Answer' roundcube checked
in the alias table if I have an alias and used this as 'From' mail
address.

Is a similar setup with claws-mail possible?

I'm sure I have search with the wrong terms in my prefered search
engine www.startpage.com ;-)

Regards
Aleks


From gour at atmarama.com  Thu May  4 11:03:34 2017
From: gour at atmarama.com (Gour)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 11:03:34 +0200
Subject: [Users] Question about plugin vcalendar
References: <20170503124622.00007feb@none.at>
Message-ID: <20170504110334.004ae04d@atmarama.dtdns.net>

On Wed, 3 May 2017 12:46:22 +0200
Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:

> I have several ical calendars.

Same here. :-)

> Is there an option where I can create a combined view to see all
> events / entries in all calenderas in one view?

No...I'd also like to see it.

> If not is there a plan to add such a feature?

Not that I know about it.


Sincerely,
Gour

-- 
As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist,
whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the
transcendent self.




From andrej at kacian.sk  Thu May  4 11:28:09 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 11:28:09 +0200
Subject: [Users] Question about plugin vcalendar
In-Reply-To: <20170504110334.004ae04d@atmarama.dtdns.net>
References: <20170503124622.00007feb@none.at>
 <20170504110334.004ae04d@atmarama.dtdns.net>
Message-ID: <20170504112809.04284786@hiker>

On Thu, 4 May 2017 11:03:34 +0200
Gour <gour at atmarama.com> wrote:

> > If not is there a plan to add such a feature?  
> 
> Not that I know about it.

Yes, there are plans for that. Unfortunately, there are plans for a lot
of other stuff as well, and there is very little free time, so do not
expect it anytime soon.

Unless of course someone makes it their priority and steps up - open
source and all that. :)

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From andrej at kacian.sk  Thu May  4 14:19:22 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 14:19:22 +0200
Subject: [Users] Windows build question
In-Reply-To: <20170503235402.000078f6@none.at>
References: <20170503153106.00007da5@none.at> <20170503154448.77b9ea79@hiker>
 <20170503173632.00001bd0@none.at> <20170503235402.000078f6@none.at>
Message-ID: <20170504141922.38094bc9@hiker>

On Wed, 3 May 2017 23:54:02 +0200
Aleksandar Lazic <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:

> ReserveFile: "installer-options.ini" -> no files found.
> Usage: ReserveFile [/nonfatal] [/r] [/x filespec [...]] file [file...]

Alas, another missing file, and there will be one more:
installer-setdefaultclient.ini

For now, get them both from git and place them in src/ subdirectory.

I have already made sure that all the missing files you encountered
will be added in future releases.

Sorry about that.

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu May  4 14:22:30 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 13:22:30 +0100
Subject: [Users] change from per mail folder
In-Reply-To: <20170503180000.000022de@none.at>
References: <20170503180000.000022de@none.at>
Message-ID: <20170504132230.16fde7f9@kujata>

On Wed, 3 May 2017 18:00:00 +0200
Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote: 

> I have seen in the file folderitemrc several *_from_* options.
> 
> My current setup was in roundcube to add a e-mail alias like
> al-clawsmail at none.at and when I klickend on 'Answer' roundcube
> checked in the alias table if I have an alias and used this as
> 'From' mail address.
> 
> Is a similar setup with claws-mail possible?

You can set a custom From address using the folder Templates:
right-click the folder, choose 'Properties', go to the Templates page
and proceed.

with regards

Paul


From al-clawsmail at none.at  Thu May  4 14:23:29 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleksandar Lazic)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 14:23:29 +0200
Subject: [Users] Windows build question
In-Reply-To: <20170503173632.00001bd0@none.at>
References: <20170503153106.00007da5@none.at> <20170503154448.77b9ea79@hiker>
 <20170503173632.00001bd0@none.at>
Message-ID: <20170503235402.000078f6@none.at>

Hi Andrej.

Am Wed, 3 May 2017 17:36:32 +0200
schrieb Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at>:

> Hi Andrej.
> 
> Am Wed, 3 May 2017 15:44:48 +0200
> schrieb Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk>:
> 
> > On Wed, 3 May 2017 15:31:06 +0200
> > Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:
> >   
> > > Hi all.
> > > 
> > > I have tried to build claws for windows on ubuntu 17.04 64bit.
> > > 
> > > I got this error.
> > > 
> > > ###
> > > configure: creating ./config.status
> > > config.status: creating Makefile
> > > config.status: creating packages/Makefile
> > > config.status: creating src/Makefile
> > > config.status: creating po/Makefile.in
> > > config.status: creating src/Toolchain-mingw32.cmake
> > > config.status: error: cannot find input file: `po/build-cc.in'
> > > ###    
> > 
> > Hello Aleks,
> > 
> > it is possible that this file is missing from the installer source
> > tarball. It is certainly included in the master git repo.
> > http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws-win32-installer.git;a=tree;f=po
> > 
> > I will check it when I have time and make sure that it gets included
> > in future release tarballs if needed. In the meantime, you can get
> > it from git.  
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> I'm now on the way to build claws for windows.

I got this error.

###
/root/claws-mail-3.15.0/packages/bsfilter-1.0.16-lib.tar.gz </dev/null
> versioninfo.tmp set -e; \
( while read a b; do echo "$a $(basename $b)"; \
            done < versioninfo.tmp \
          | sort -k2 -sf | tac | uniq -f1 ; \
          echo '=========== SHA-1 checksum ============= == package =='
\ ) | tac | awk '{printf "%s\r\n", $0}' > versioninfo.txt
rm versioninfo.tmp
makensis -V3 -DBUILD_DIR=`pwd` -DTOP_SRCDIR=.. \
           -DSRCDIR=.  ./claws-mail.nsi
MakeNSIS v2.51-1 - Copyright 1995-2015 Contributors
See the file COPYING for license details.
Credits can be found in the Users Manual.

Processing plugin dlls: "/usr/share/nsis/Plugins/*.dll"
 - AdvSplash::show
 - Banner::destroy
 - Banner::getWindow
 - Banner::show
 - BgImage::AddImage
 - BgImage::AddText
 - BgImage::Clear
 - BgImage::Destroy
 - BgImage::Redraw
 - BgImage::SetBg
 - BgImage::SetReturn
 - BgImage::Sound
 - Dialer::AttemptConnect
 - Dialer::AutodialHangup
 - Dialer::AutodialOnline
 - Dialer::AutodialUnattended
 - Dialer::GetConnectedState
 - InstallOptions::dialog
 - InstallOptions::initDialog
 - InstallOptions::show
 - LangDLL::LangDialog
 - Math::Script
 - NSISdl::download
 - NSISdl::download_quiet
 - Splash::show
 - StartMenu::Init
 - StartMenu::Select
 - StartMenu::Show
 - System::Alloc
 - System::Call
 - System::Copy
 - System::Free
 - System::Get
 - System::Int64Op
 - System::Store
 - TypeLib::GetLibVersion
 - TypeLib::Register
 - TypeLib::UnRegister
 - UserInfo::GetAccountType
 - UserInfo::GetName
 - UserInfo::GetOriginalAccountType
 - VPatch::GetFileCRC32
 - VPatch::GetFileMD5
 - VPatch::vpatchfile
 - nsDialogs::Create
 - nsDialogs::CreateControl
 - nsDialogs::CreateItem
 - nsDialogs::CreateTimer
 - nsDialogs::GetUserData
 - nsDialogs::KillTimer
 - nsDialogs::OnBack
 - nsDialogs::OnChange
 - nsDialogs::OnClick
 - nsDialogs::OnNotify
 - nsDialogs::SelectFileDialog
 - nsDialogs::SelectFolderDialog
 - nsDialogs::SetRTL
 - nsDialogs::SetUserData
 - nsDialogs::Show
 - nsExec::Exec
 - nsExec::ExecToLog
 - nsExec::ExecToStack

ReserveFile: "installer-options.ini" -> no files found.
Usage: ReserveFile [/nonfatal] [/r] [/x filespec [...]] file [file...]
Error in script "./claws-mail.nsi" on line 177 -- aborting creation
process Makefile:1401: recipe for target 'claws-mail-3.15.0-1.exe'
failed make[3]: *** [claws-mail-3.15.0-1.exe] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory '/root/claws-mail-3.15.0/src'
Makefile:972: recipe for target 'all-recursive' failed
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory '/root/claws-mail-3.15.0/src'
Makefile:692: recipe for target 'all-recursive' failed
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory '/root/claws-mail-3.15.0'
Makefile:633: recipe for target 'all' failed
make: *** [all] Error 2
###

Best regards
Aleks


From al-clawsmail at none.at  Thu May  4 14:35:03 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 14:35:03 +0200
Subject: [Users] change from per mail folder
In-Reply-To: <20170504132230.16fde7f9@kujata>
References: <20170503180000.000022de@none.at> <20170504132230.16fde7f9@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170504143503.000012af@none.at>

Hi Paul.

Paul have written on Thu, 4 May 2017 13:22:30 +0100:

> On Wed, 3 May 2017 18:00:00 +0200
> Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote: 
> 
> > I have seen in the file folderitemrc several *_from_* options.
> > 
> > My current setup was in roundcube to add a e-mail alias like
> > al-clawsmail at none.at and when I klickend on 'Answer' roundcube
> > checked in the alias table if I have an alias and used this as
> > 'From' mail address.
> > 
> > Is a similar setup with claws-mail possible?  
> 
> You can set a custom From address using the folder Templates:
> right-click the folder, choose 'Properties', go to the Templates page
> and proceed.

Cool thanks ;-)))

> with regards
> 
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users


From al-clawsmail at none.at  Thu May  4 14:52:23 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 14:52:23 +0200
Subject: [Users] Windows build question
In-Reply-To: <20170504141922.38094bc9@hiker>
References: <20170503153106.00007da5@none.at> <20170503154448.77b9ea79@hiker>
 <20170503173632.00001bd0@none.at> <20170503235402.000078f6@none.at>
 <20170504141922.38094bc9@hiker>
Message-ID: <20170504145223.000025e4@none.at>

Hi Andrej Kacian.

Andrej Kacian have written on Thu, 4 May 2017 14:19:22 +0200:

> On Wed, 3 May 2017 23:54:02 +0200
> Aleksandar Lazic <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:
> 
> > ReserveFile: "installer-options.ini" -> no files found.
> > Usage: ReserveFile [/nonfatal] [/r] [/x filespec [...]] file
> > [file...]  
> 
> Alas, another missing file, and there will be one more:
> installer-setdefaultclient.ini
> 
> For now, get them both from git and place them in src/ subdirectory.

Okay.

> I have already made sure that all the missing files you encountered
> will be added in future releases.

Thanks.

> Sorry about that.

never mind.
That's development and open source ;-)

I thank you and the other claws-mail developer for the Programm ;-)

> Regards,

Regards
Aleks


From al-clawsmail at none.at  Thu May  4 17:43:01 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 17:43:01 +0200
Subject: [Users] Question about plugin vcalendar
In-Reply-To: <20170504112809.04284786@hiker>
References: <20170503124622.00007feb@none.at>
 <20170504110334.004ae04d@atmarama.dtdns.net>
 <20170504112809.04284786@hiker>
Message-ID: <20170504174301.000036f3@none.at>

Hi Andrej Kacian.

Andrej Kacian have written on Thu, 4 May 2017 11:28:09 +0200:

> On Thu, 4 May 2017 11:03:34 +0200
> Gour <gour at atmarama.com> wrote:
> 
> > > If not is there a plan to add such a feature?    
> > 
> > Not that I know about it.  
> 
> Yes, there are plans for that. Unfortunately, there are plans for a
> lot of other stuff as well, and there is very little free time, so do
> not expect it anytime soon.
> 
> Unless of course someone makes it their priority and steps up - open
> source and all that. :)

Well I don't know if I should invest my time into gtk+2 or gtk+3 or the
qt version?

What's the way which claws mail will go for the future?

> Regards,

Regards
Aleks


From mir at miras.org  Thu May  4 18:05:33 2017
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 18:05:33 +0200
Subject: [Users] Question about plugin vcalendar
In-Reply-To: <20170504174301.000036f3@none.at>
References: <20170503124622.00007feb@none.at>
 <20170504110334.004ae04d@atmarama.dtdns.net>
 <20170504112809.04284786@hiker> <20170504174301.000036f3@none.at>
Message-ID: <20170504180533.56880bd9@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Thu, 4 May 2017 17:43:01 +0200
Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:

> 
> Well I don't know if I should invest my time into gtk+2 or gtk+3 or the
> qt version?
> 
> What's the way which claws mail will go for the future?
> 
qt also means c++ so this will not be a small task.

-- 
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From aasalem10 at gmail.com  Thu May  4 18:53:41 2017
From: aasalem10 at gmail.com (Alaa Salem)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 18:53:41 +0200
Subject: [Users] NetworkManager: network is offline.
Message-ID: <CAOcMw9i8+hp_wYfx_z+88Tb6a8=cPc1jzWKb0SGijmw1wB0KhA@mail.gmail.com>

This above error start showing after upgrading to 3.14.1 using (sudo
add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntuhandbook1/claws-mail )


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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu May  4 20:03:12 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 19:03:12 +0100
Subject: [Users] NetworkManager: network is offline.
In-Reply-To: <CAOcMw9i8+hp_wYfx_z+88Tb6a8=cPc1jzWKb0SGijmw1wB0KhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOcMw9i8+hp_wYfx_z+88Tb6a8=cPc1jzWKb0SGijmw1wB0KhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170504190312.6bca26b7@kujata>

On Thu, 4 May 2017 18:53:41 +0200
Alaa Salem <aasalem10 at gmail.com> wrote: 

> This above error start showing after upgrading to 3.14.1 using (sudo
> add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntuhandbook1/claws-mail )

This is not a bug, at least not a claws-mail bug, but a problem with
your network-manager installation, and that your claws-mail has been
built with network-manager support.

You can make claws-mail ignore network-manager by changing a hidden
pref.

* Quit claws-mail
* open ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc in your text editor
* find and set "use_networkmanager=0"
* save

with regards

Paul


From al-clawsmail at none.at  Thu May  4 20:09:00 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 20:09:00 +0200
Subject: [Users] Question about plugin vcalendar
In-Reply-To: <20170504180533.56880bd9@sleipner.datanom.net>
References: <20170503124622.00007feb@none.at>
 <20170504110334.004ae04d@atmarama.dtdns.net>
 <20170504112809.04284786@hiker> <20170504174301.000036f3@none.at>
 <20170504180533.56880bd9@sleipner.datanom.net>
Message-ID: <20170504200900.000038d2@none.at>

Hi Michael Rasmussen.

Michael Rasmussen have written on Thu, 4 May 2017 18:05:33 +0200:

> On Thu, 4 May 2017 17:43:01 +0200
> Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Well I don't know if I should invest my time into gtk+2 or gtk+3 or
> > the qt version?
> > 
> > What's the way which claws mail will go for the future?
> >   
> qt also means c++ so this will not be a small task.

Yes I full agree to this Statement.

I have read several articles about migration from gtk+2 to gtk+3 and
this looks to me that the migration isn't that easy, but still c.

I have also tried to use http://trojita.flaska.net/ the qt client.
This client was not able to connect to my imaps server so I can't use
it.

I'm not very familiar with the project structure, due to this fact I
just ask here.

Do the core developers want to stay with c => gtk+X or is it possible
to switch to c++ => qt?

For me I would prefer to go the qt way just because I like the
framework more, but this is just my opinion.

The concrete reason why I ask is that I want to try to add a 'meta
calender' view where all the different events from the different
calendars are visible like the http://www.businesscalendar.de/ or the
Google calendar.

Opinions and advices.

Regards
Aleks


From andrej at kacian.sk  Thu May  4 20:30:06 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 20:30:06 +0200
Subject: [Users] Question about plugin vcalendar
In-Reply-To: <20170504200900.000038d2@none.at>
References: <20170503124622.00007feb@none.at>
 <20170504110334.004ae04d@atmarama.dtdns.net>
 <20170504112809.04284786@hiker> <20170504174301.000036f3@none.at>
 <20170504180533.56880bd9@sleipner.datanom.net>
 <20170504200900.000038d2@none.at>
Message-ID: <20170504203006.35169217@penny>

On Thu, 4 May 2017 20:09:00 +0200
Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:

> Do the core developers want to stay with c => gtk+X or is it possible
> to switch to c++ => qt?

Opinions are very different among the developers, some do not want to
touch C++ at all, others would like to abandon GTK+.

For what it's worth, I have started work on a Qt port a while ago, and
still work on it every now and then. But since it basically means a
complete rewrite from scratch, it is moving slowly.

It is available at http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws-qt.git;a=summary

It's not secret, but it is not listed on git.claws-mail.org because it
still remains to be seen if it will go somewhere. So far, it's mostly
my little playground where I play with Qt. :)

Back to your original question, for now, probably the safest bet is to
focus on current codebase using GTK+2, and to try not to introduce too
much code incompatible with GTK+3. :)

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From al-clawsmail at none.at  Fri May  5 00:19:19 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 00:19:19 +0200
Subject: [Users] Question about plugin vcalendar
In-Reply-To: <20170504203006.35169217@penny>
References: <20170503124622.00007feb@none.at>
 <20170504110334.004ae04d@atmarama.dtdns.net>
 <20170504112809.04284786@hiker> <20170504174301.000036f3@none.at>
 <20170504180533.56880bd9@sleipner.datanom.net>
 <20170504200900.000038d2@none.at> <20170504203006.35169217@penny>
Message-ID: <20170505001919.00005e77@none.at>

Hi Andrej Kacian.

Andrej Kacian have written on Thu, 4 May 2017 20:30:06 +0200:

> On Thu, 4 May 2017 20:09:00 +0200
> Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:
> 
> > Do the core developers want to stay with c => gtk+X or is it
> > possible to switch to c++ => qt?  
> 
> Opinions are very different among the developers, some do not want to
> touch C++ at all, others would like to abandon GTK+.
> 
> For what it's worth, I have started work on a Qt port a while ago, and
> still work on it every now and then. But since it basically means a
> complete rewrite from scratch, it is moving slowly.
> 
> It is available at http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws-qt.git;a=summary
> 
> It's not secret, but it is not listed on git.claws-mail.org because it
> still remains to be seen if it will go somewhere. So far, it's mostly
> my little playground where I play with Qt. :)

Yes I try have tried it several times to build and run.
I keep an I on it ;-)

> Back to your original question, for now, probably the safest bet is to
> focus on current codebase using GTK+2, and to try not to introduce too
> much code incompatible with GTK+3. :)

Okay thanks for answer.

Regards,
Aleks


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May  5 00:24:28 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 22:24:28 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3819] Duplicate definition of global pygtk symbols
In-Reply-To: <bug-3819-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3819-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3819-595-mzkNAxSqbU@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3819

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

--- Comment #1 from users at lists.claws-mail.org ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://git.claws-mail.org/

++ ChangeLog    2017-05-05 00:23:03.072329821 +0200
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=27757159aa97b7e2c6892abb21cdd8716fb5116f
Merge: e877161 f6c690e
Author: Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net>
Date:   Fri May 5 00:23:02 2017 +0200

    Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws

http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6c690e3c9928eb3694c033ee081fecb2e57a4a1
Author: Ricardo Mones <ricardo at mones.org>
Date:   Fri May 5 00:20:39 2017 +0200

    Fix bug #3819 “Duplicate definition of global pygtk symbols”

    Patch by Hanno Boeck (thanks! :)

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From al-clawsmail at none.at  Fri May  5 01:22:10 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 01:22:10 +0200
Subject: [Users] Windows build question
In-Reply-To: <20170504145223.000025e4@none.at>
References: <20170503153106.00007da5@none.at> <20170503154448.77b9ea79@hiker>
 <20170503173632.00001bd0@none.at> <20170503235402.000078f6@none.at>
 <20170504141922.38094bc9@hiker> <20170504145223.000025e4@none.at>
Message-ID: <20170505012210.00001805@none.at>

Hi.

User have written on Thu, 4 May 2017 14:52:23 +0200:

> Hi Andrej Kacian.
> 
> Andrej Kacian have written on Thu, 4 May 2017 14:19:22 +0200:
> 
> > On Wed, 3 May 2017 23:54:02 +0200
> > Aleksandar Lazic <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:
> >   
> > > ReserveFile: "installer-options.ini" -> no files found.
> > > Usage: ReserveFile [/nonfatal] [/r] [/x filespec [...]] file
> > > [file...]    
> > 
> > Alas, another missing file, and there will be one more:
> > installer-setdefaultclient.ini
> > 
> > For now, get them both from git and place them in src/
> > subdirectory.  
> 
> Okay.
> 
> > I have already made sure that all the missing files you encountered
> > will be added in future releases.  
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> > Sorry about that.  
> 
> never mind.
> That's development and open source ;-)
> 
> I thank you and the other claws-mail developer for the Programm ;-)

I was now able to create the claws-mail-3.15.0-1-64bit.exe ;-)

This was the steps which I have run on Ubuntu 17.04.

###
apt -y install automake autoconf mingw-w64 mingw-w64-i686-dev mingw-w64-x86-64-dev  nsis  stow unzip texinfo imagemagick docbook-utils sharutils gettext libglib2.0-dev  libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev docbook-utils ghostscript texlive  texlive-latex-extra  latex-xcolor libqt4-dev-bin bison flex gperf intltool libtool cmake

curl -vLO http://www.claws-mail.org/download.php?file=releases/claws-mail-3.15.0.tar.xz
curl -vOL http://www.claws-mail.org/download.php?file=win32/claws-mail-win32-3.15.0-1.tar.bz2

tar xfvJ claws-mail-3.15.0.tar.xz
tar xfvj claws-mail-win32-3.15.0-1.tar.bz2
cd claws-mail-3.15.0/
cp -avx ../claws-mail-win32-3.15.0-1/* .
cd packages/
./download.sh
cd ../
curl -vo po/build-cc.in 'http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws-win32-installer.git;a=blob_plain;f=po/build-cc.in;h=27ae24c9143559e0afefc771acec3e29b89b585a;hb=HEAD'
curl -vo src/installer-options.ini 'http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws-win32-installer.git;a=blob_plain;f=src/installer-options.ini;hb=HEAD'
curl -vo src/installer-setdefaultclient.ini 'http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws-win32-installer.git;a=blob_plain;f=src/installer-setdefaultclient.ini;hb=HEAD'

./autogen.sh --build-w64
WAIT LOOONGTIME
###

How difficult is it to create a portable zip file?
Is it allowed, from the license to offer the file claws-mail-3.15.0-1-64bit.exe for download?

I do not want to install claws just because I test the vcalender view ;-)


Regards
Aleks


From peter777 at users.sourceforge.net  Fri May  5 05:18:25 2017
From: peter777 at users.sourceforge.net (Peter Richards)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 13:18:25 +1000
Subject: [Users] Mouse hover and colours ?
In-Reply-To: <20170501160924.271053d8@peter-asus64>
References: <20170501145048.1bda7795@peter-asus64>
 <20170501160924.271053d8@peter-asus64>
Message-ID: <20170505131825.7ab0a0fc@peter-asus64>

On Mon, 1 May 2017 16:09:24 +1000
Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 1 May 2017 14:50:48 +1000
> Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> 
> > i did wonder if the question had been asked previously on this list,
> > however couldn't find an easy method to search at
> > http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/index.html  
> 
> I forgot about this in Google:
> 
> site:lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users mouse
> 
> so will look through there.

Is it possible to run Claws in debug mode, to try and see what is
causing this ?

Peter


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May  5 08:06:34 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 07:06:34 +0100
Subject: [Users] Mouse hover and colours ?
In-Reply-To: <20170505131825.7ab0a0fc@peter-asus64>
References: <20170501145048.1bda7795@peter-asus64>
 <20170501160924.271053d8@peter-asus64>
 <20170505131825.7ab0a0fc@peter-asus64>
Message-ID: <20170505070634.4dbd9ca7@kujata>

On Fri, 5 May 2017 13:18:25 +1000
Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> wrote: 

> Is it possible to run Claws in debug mode, to try and see what is
> causing this ?

That won't help. Those colours are controlled by your GTK+ 2 theme.

with regards

Paul


From andrej at kacian.sk  Fri May  5 10:29:09 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 10:29:09 +0200
Subject: [Users] Windows build question
In-Reply-To: <20170505012210.00001805@none.at>
References: <20170503153106.00007da5@none.at> <20170503154448.77b9ea79@hiker>
 <20170503173632.00001bd0@none.at> <20170503235402.000078f6@none.at>
 <20170504141922.38094bc9@hiker> <20170504145223.000025e4@none.at>
 <20170505012210.00001805@none.at>
Message-ID: <20170505102909.19fe024a@hiker>

On Fri, 5 May 2017 01:22:10 +0200
Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:

> curl -vLO
> http://www.claws-mail.org/download.php?file=releases/claws-mail-3.15.0.tar.xz
> curl -vOL
> http://www.claws-mail.org/download.php?file=win32/claws-mail-win32-3.15.0-1.tar.bz2
> 
> tar xfvJ claws-mail-3.15.0.tar.xz
> tar xfvj claws-mail-win32-3.15.0-1.tar.bz2
> cd claws-mail-3.15.0/
> cp -avx ../claws-mail-win32-3.15.0-1/* .

I'm not sure why you're doing what you're doing here. You do not need
unpacked contents of claws-mail-3.15.0.tar.xz anywhere. Just put that
file in packages/ directory if you want, so the download.sh script,
which would download it, doesn't have to.

The tarball is later unpacked as part of the build process.

> cd packages/
> ./download.sh
> cd ../
> curl -vo po/build-cc.in
> 'http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws-win32-installer.git;a=blob_plain;f=po/build-cc.in;h=27ae24c9143559e0afefc771acec3e29b89b585a;hb=HEAD'
> curl -vo src/installer-options.ini
> 'http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws-win32-installer.git;a=blob_plain;f=src/installer-options.ini;hb=HEAD'
> curl -vo src/installer-setdefaultclient.ini
> 'http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws-win32-installer.git;a=blob_plain;f=src/installer-setdefaultclient.ini;hb=HEAD'
> 
> ./autogen.sh --build-w64
> WAIT LOOONGTIME
> ###
> 
> How difficult is it to create a portable zip file?

You can get fairly good portability if you use correct claws-mail.exe
parameters and some well thought out hand-edits of certain lines in
config files.

> Is it allowed, from the license to offer the file
> claws-mail-3.15.0-1-64bit.exe for download?

As long as you explicitly state that yours is an unofficial build, I
don't see a problem.

-- 
Regards,


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May  5 15:51:06 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 13:51:06 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 1692] Feature Request: Ability to display the remote
 IMAP root folder's total size
In-Reply-To: <bug-1692-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-1692-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-1692-595-gXB3PCmyOh@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1692

Marek Straka <marek at straka.info> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
                 CC|                            |marek at straka.info

--- Comment #7 from Marek Straka <marek at straka.info> ---
Is there a way how to display IMAP QUOTA in Claws Mail?
Something like
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/display-quota/?src=search

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From codejodler at gmx.ch  Fri May  5 21:10:08 2017
From: codejodler at gmx.ch (mi)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 21:10:08 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
Message-ID: <20170505211008.427097a8@gandalf.lan2>

Hello,

In a long due attempt to recover my forgotten passwords from the mail app, i finally found time to install claws-mails debugging symbols, but i had to downgrade from 3.14.1 to 3.11.1 all installed claws-mail packages (like pgp and mime plugins). 
After a fresh launch, all passwords of all accounts seem to be deleted (empty)!
( *sigh* that was a quite funny recover attempt, because now im in really big trouble.)
I
 just wonder, why this happen, and at least, why no warning ??


From andrej at kacian.sk  Fri May  5 21:23:36 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 21:23:36 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170505211008.427097a8@gandalf.lan2>
References: <20170505211008.427097a8@gandalf.lan2>
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On Fri, 5 May 2017 21:10:08 +0200
mi <codejodler at gmx.ch> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> In a long due attempt to recover my forgotten passwords from the mail app, i finally found time to install claws-mails debugging symbols, but i had to downgrade from 3.14.1 to 3.11.1 all installed claws-mail packages (like pgp and mime plugins). 
> After a fresh launch, all passwords of all accounts seem to be deleted (empty)!
> ( *sigh* that was a quite funny recover attempt, because now im in really big trouble.)
> I
>  just wonder, why this happen, and at least, why no warning ??

What do you mean, no warning? From 3.14.0 release notes:

* Passwords: The password storage method has changed. All passwords
  are now stored in a separate file, (~/.claws-mail/passwordstorerc),
  and use a stronger encryption than previously. Existing passwords
  are moved to the new file automatically, in the old format. The
  new format will be used whenever old passwords are changed or when
  a Master Passphrase is used. All new passwords are saved using the
  new format, irrespective of whether a Master Passphrase is used or
  not. Further information can be found here:
  http://www.claws-mail.org/doc/password_encryption.txt


Or do you expect us to go back in time and retroactively add warnings
from the future to old versions?

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From codejodler at gmx.ch  Fri May  5 22:17:28 2017
From: codejodler at gmx.ch (mi)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 22:17:28 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170505212336.77f72973@penny>
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Andrej,

ok i missed this serious change, sorry.

Now what can i do ?

I upgraded claws again to 3.14 and then there seemed to be the passwords again. Albeit, they did not work anymore. I got 'authentification failed' on the two main accounts i tried.

Then, i wanted to be clever, and went to the last backup, which was April 11 (and i di not change anything on the accounts since then) and copied passwordstorerc over.

Now it still does not work.

Also i got the feeling i did something silly, because now the most recent passwordstorerc file was overwritten (and even in the internal automatic claws backup) and i've got only the April 11 version, in all files. 

I hope that did not finally kill any option !


(besides, could claws have changed the internal account [number] somehow ? Because the password of this account, which i am now using, was way too long, about as long as the others accounts passwords would be.) 


From codejodler at gmx.ch  Fri May  5 22:20:04 2017
From: codejodler at gmx.ch (mi)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 22:20:04 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170505221728.1df016a4@gandalf.lan2>
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To draw back on my initial attempt, i downgraded because in debian testing, they got no dbg symbols for 3.14, only for 3.11. 
Do you happen to know where i could get a 3.14 dbg package ?


From codejodler at gmx.ch  Fri May  5 22:25:19 2017
From: codejodler at gmx.ch (mi)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 22:25:19 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170505221728.1df016a4@gandalf.lan2>
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I'm still on the back restored file. For one account (the most important one), the password asterisks number, in claws configurator, is 50, but that password never was so long - it was less then 20 chars. It's rather obvious that this is not the original password.

What does it mean ? What can i do ?




From andrej at kacian.sk  Fri May  5 22:34:49 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 22:34:49 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170505222519.0ba65319@gandalf.lan2>
References: <20170505211008.427097a8@gandalf.lan2>
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Message-ID: <20170505223449.77543a73@penny>

On Fri, 5 May 2017 22:25:19 +0200
mi <codejodler at gmx.ch> wrote:

> I'm still on the back restored file. For one account (the most important one), the password asterisks number, in claws configurator, is 50, but that password never was so long - it was less then 20 chars. It's rather obvious that this is not the original password.
> 
> What does it mean ? What can i do ?

Look if there is passwordstorerc.bak file, and try to replace
passwordstorerc with it - hopefully it will still have the original
passwords.

You see, when you downgraded to 3.11, started and closed Claws Mail at
least once, it would save new empty passwords "the old way", and after
you upgraded again, the new Claws Mail would move them to
passwordstorerc, overwriting what was there originally.

So the .bak file is your one option. Failing that, any backup of your
own you made. (You *do* back up your home directory regularly, right?
Everyone should.)

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From codejodler at gmx.ch  Fri May  5 23:12:21 2017
From: codejodler at gmx.ch (mi)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 23:12:21 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170505223449.77543a73@penny>
References: <20170505211008.427097a8@gandalf.lan2>
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Message-ID: <20170505231221.7a0dcf62@gandalf.lan2>

Andrej,

> Look if there is passwordstorerc.bak file, and try to replace
> passwordstorerc with it - hopefully it will still have the original
> passwords.

That was my very first attempt. But since these 2 files were of exactly the same byte size, it did not surprise me it diint work.

It seemed to me the .bak file is created every time claws closes ? Then of course it was gone, since i closed and restarted claws several times, in the process of down- and upgrade.

> You see, when you downgraded to 3.11, started and closed Claws Mail at
> least once, it would save new empty passwords "the old way", and after
> you upgraded again, the new Claws Mail would move them to
> passwordstorerc, overwriting what was there originally.

Yes i understood that. As you can figure out yourself now, this is a dangerous thing...

> So the .bak file is your one option. Failing that, any backup of your
> own you made. (You *do* back up your home directory regularly, right?

Yes, but my last backup is from 2017, April 11. But then gain, i did not change the passwords since April 11. I sent other mails regarding that, but in short, those passwords do not work anymore. And i really don't know what's going on here. Is it possible they get re-encrypted at some time, maybe when you change anything else in the account (like switch from STARTTLS to SSL or so) ? Or in the process of down- and re-upgrade ? Like, some claws key/Cert has changed ? What if the mailbox providers cert change, could it trigger re-encryption ?


From codejodler at gmx.ch  Fri May  5 23:17:09 2017
From: codejodler at gmx.ch (mi)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 23:17:09 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170505231221.7a0dcf62@gandalf.lan2>
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The problem is, i did not setup any kind of fallback address or phone number or whatever, and it might very well be that without any mailbox access left, i need to somehow fly to their headquerters and present myself and my passprt and stuff, but this will never happen. No time for this ! But one of the 'lost' accounts are my financials, life critical communications, and when i miss important mails there it might cause serious damage.


From codejodler at gmx.ch  Fri May  5 23:34:30 2017
From: codejodler at gmx.ch (mi)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 23:34:30 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170505231221.7a0dcf62@gandalf.lan2>
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Message-ID: <20170505233430.61362bb0@gandalf.lan2>


> > Look if there is passwordstorerc.bak file, and try to replace
> > passwordstorerc with it - hopefully it will still have the original
> > passwords.  

> It seemed to me the .bak file is created every time claws closes ? Then of course it was gone, since i closed and restarted claws several times, in the process of down- and upgrade.

Maybe think about this: Whenever something seems to be screwed, some users would first close the app, just for fear to break more things. Some others, like me, would close the app, to look into the configs, or maybe for an update. In any case, saving the same config as backup (and it seems to me, uncodnitionally?) redundantly, everytime when closing the app, doesn't help so much in these cases. I still can't figure what achievement it does.

It would be a small improvement when claws could backup that file only on-change (when modificated in the app). 
But finally, the best bet could be additional rotating.



From andrej at kacian.sk  Sat May  6 00:36:51 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 00:36:51 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170505233430.61362bb0@gandalf.lan2>
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Message-ID: <20170506003651.2c524901@penny>

On Fri, 5 May 2017 23:34:30 +0200
mi <codejodler at gmx.ch> wrote:

> > > Look if there is passwordstorerc.bak file, and try to replace
> > > passwordstorerc with it - hopefully it will still have the original
> > > passwords.    
> 
> > It seemed to me the .bak file is created every time claws closes ? Then of course it was gone, since i closed and restarted claws several times, in the process of down- and upgrade.  
> 
> Maybe think about this: Whenever something seems to be screwed, some users would first close the app, just for fear to break more things. Some others, like me, would close the app, to look into the configs, or maybe for an update. In any case, saving the same config as backup (and it seems to me, uncodnitionally?) redundantly, everytime when closing the app, doesn't help so much in these cases. I still can't figure what achievement it does.
> 
> It would be a small improvement when claws could backup that file only on-change (when modificated in the app). 
> But finally, the best bet could be additional rotating.

Yes, the current favourite (as discussed among developers) is more
file generations in rotation (.bak.1, .bak.2, ...). All that's needed
is for someone to implement it.

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From andrej at kacian.sk  Sat May  6 00:40:50 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 00:40:50 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170505231221.7a0dcf62@gandalf.lan2>
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On Fri, 5 May 2017 23:12:21 +0200
mi <codejodler at gmx.ch> wrote:

> > So the .bak file is your one option. Failing that, any backup of your
> > own you made. (You *do* back up your home directory regularly, right?  
> 
> Yes, but my last backup is from 2017, April 11. But then gain, i did not change the passwords since April 11. I sent other mails regarding that, but in short, those passwords do not work anymore. And i really don't know what's going on here. Is it possible they get re-encrypted at some time, maybe when you change anything else in the account (like switch from STARTTLS to SSL or so) ? Or in the process of down- and re-upgrade ? Like, some claws key/Cert has changed ? What if the mailbox providers cert change, could it trigger re-encryption ?

They get reencrypted anytime you change a password (just that
particular password gets reencrypted), or enable/disable master
passphrase (all passwords get reencrypted).

I think in your case it was your downgrade followed by an upgrade. When
writing the migration routine, I did not really think to handle someone
doing that kind of craziness.

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Sat May  6 00:41:52 2017
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud OLGIATI (Ron))
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 18:41:52 -0400
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170505233430.61362bb0@gandalf.lan2>
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On Fri, 5 May 2017 23:34:30 +0200
mi <codejodler at gmx.ch> wrote:

> Maybe think about this: Whenever something seems to be screwed, some users would first close the app, just for fear to break more things. Some others, like me, would close the app, to look into the configs, or maybe for an update. In any case, saving the same config as backup (and it seems to me, uncodnitionally?) redundantly, everytime when closing the app, doesn't help so much in these cases. I still can't figure what achievement it does.

While some, whose query to the mirror while shaving is not "Am I paranoid this morning ?" but "Am I sufficiently paranoid this morning ?" would stop all they are doing, plug in an external HD and run rsync to ensure their data and config are safe somewhere before trying anything to repair the problem.
 
But then I learned in the old days, when you learned to draw one or several diagonal lines across the top of your stack of punch cards, to make it less painful to put them back in order if you accidentally dropped them... 

Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
          Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we.
             They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our
                  country and our people, and neither do we.
                            -- President George W. Bush, Aug. 5, '04
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 


From codejodler at gmx.ch  Sat May  6 01:34:02 2017
From: codejodler at gmx.ch (mi)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 01:34:02 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170505184152.13021695@ron.cerrocora.org>
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Message-ID: <20170506013402.55542b4a@gandalf.lan2>

Renaud,

> While some, whose query to the mirror while shaving is not "Am I paranoid this morning ?" but "Am I sufficiently paranoid this morning ?"

Yes ...  "I didn't expect this" is not a good attitude towards life, it seems ...

> But then I learned in the old days, when you learned to draw one or several diagonal lines across the top of your stack of punch cards, to make it less painful to put them back in order if you accidentally dropped them... 

Believe it or not, i even write down my passwords. Of course, not in plain text. And this time i forgot the specific key ... too much work, too much stress.

Well, and i did do my backup, it's just copy over is not working for me, dunno why.


From andrej at kacian.sk  Sat May  6 02:02:40 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 02:02:40 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170506013402.55542b4a@gandalf.lan2>
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On Sat, 6 May 2017 01:34:02 +0200
mi <codejodler at gmx.ch> wrote:

> Well, and i did do my backup, it's just copy over is not working for me, dunno why.

What if you, together with the passwordstorerc file, you also restore
the clawsrc file from the very same backup?

-- 
Andrej


From edodd55 at gmail.com  Sat May  6 10:20:46 2017
From: edodd55 at gmail.com (Liz)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 18:20:46 +1000
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170506013402.55542b4a@gandalf.lan2>
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On Sat, 6 May 2017 01:34:02 +0200
mi <codejodler at gmx.ch> wrote:

> Believe it or not, i even write down my passwords. Of course, not in
> plain text. And this time i forgot the specific key ... too much
> work, too much stress.

I'm sorry to hear that you are in this situation.
I recommend the use of a password generator and manager, like
KeePassX and syncing this through a system like ownCloud, and then
keeping more copies of the encrypted password file on your phone,
laptop or other device.

Liz


From codejodler at gmx.ch  Sat May  6 13:23:08 2017
From: codejodler at gmx.ch (mi)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 13:23:08 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170506182046.7e8acc0b.edodd55@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20170506132308.57db24d1@gandalf.lan2>

Liz,

Yes i need to think about a working system. You know, when i started with online accounts, it was like 5 or 6. Then it became 20, 30 and i still maintained the 'old system'. Today, it's more than 50 and i actually feel a little bit lost, including shutting down obsolete things properly, which in many cases is not easy, and mostly tedious. 

I don't really need all of them, daily using onle about a dozen, but there are those rare occasions when i need anything else too. So although i do cleanups every 2-3 y or so, i basically have to keep a lot of stuff. This is not about 10 facebook accounts (i hate facebook and ignore it) but special logins for totally unrelated things, like different communication channels for different people, cloud storage things, devices passwords including appstores, technical maintenance e.g. webservers, botanic boards, geochaching, wikipedia, etc etc ... i bet you all know how this mess piles up over years.

And yes, lots of email accounts. My original plan was to have one for each purpose, which worked great so far. But then my personal circumstances changed and all my stuff got accesible in untrusted environments, and i started to modify passwords more often. Now i see why it's not working out and i need something better.

(*As a sidenote, if online / social media providers don't offer a clean erase of data, you can first change your data to crap, wait some weeks or so until it got synced, then terminate. But then, today, they can keep even your full history w/o any storage problem ...)


From codejodler at gmx.ch  Sat May  6 13:49:05 2017
From: codejodler at gmx.ch (mi)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 13:49:05 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170506020240.500f974f@penny>
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Message-ID: <20170506134905.46a8db40@gandalf.lan2>

Andrej,

Congrats ! That worked !! Many thanks !!

I'd be curious to know why ?

Now i'm back to square but i started already the complicated auth process with the most important provider, it's not your average one but special security so i need to send some documents and provide history infos. Luckily i got all that in backups, so it should work.

You knew that another provider, GMX, threw out online password recover for free accounts, and now requires you to phone calla nd they charge 4 Euro per minute, and i bet you'd need a coupls of them ... *sigh*

 

mi


From andrej at kacian.sk  Sat May  6 15:01:46 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 15:01:46 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170506134905.46a8db40@gandalf.lan2>
References: <20170505211008.427097a8@gandalf.lan2>
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Message-ID: <20170506150146.6c70960e@penny>

On Sat, 6 May 2017 13:49:05 +0200
mi <codejodler at gmx.ch> wrote:

> Andrej,
> 
> Congrats ! That worked !! Many thanks !!
> 
> I'd be curious to know why ?

I'm glad you got your passwords back. :)

My clue was you mentioning that the passwords in preference dialogs
were showing as too long. That is usually caused by decrypting with
wrong parameters, so instead of the password, you would get random
gibberish.

What happened is that when you started 3.11.1, salt[1] used to
encrypt/decrypt the passwords was deleted, since that version just
ignores unknown preferences. Salt is stored in clawsrc file.

So when you upgraded again, 3.14.1 had to generate a new random salt,
which of course did not work with passwords encrypted with the previous
one. Restoring both files from backup, instead of just one, caused
correct salt to be used with correct encrypted passwords.

> Now i'm back to square but i started already the complicated auth process with the most important provider, it's not your average one but special security so i need to send some documents and provide history infos. Luckily i got all that in backups, so it should work.
> 
> You knew that another provider, GMX, threw out online password recover for free accounts, and now requires you to phone calla nd they charge 4 Euro per minute, and i bet you'd need a coupls of them ... *sigh*

Liz in another reply already mentioned using a good password manager
with redundant backups of the database file. 0 Euro per minute. :)


1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_%28cryptography%29

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From geek at uniserve.com  Sat May  6 17:42:44 2017
From: geek at uniserve.com (Dave Stevens)
Date: Sat, 06 May 2017 08:42:44 -0700
Subject: [Users] could not queue message for sending - what's this?
Message-ID: <20170506084244.368657io7htlqzg4@webmail.uniserve.com>

Just started showing up now when I started claws 3.13.2 for the first  
time today, trying to reply, won't save to drafts either. known issue?

d


-- 
"As long as politics is the shadow cast on society by big business,
the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance."

-- John Dewey







From geek at uniserve.com  Sat May  6 20:08:28 2017
From: geek at uniserve.com (Dave Stevens)
Date: Sat, 06 May 2017 11:08:28 -0700
Subject: [Users] could not queue message for sending - what's
 this?[also...]
In-Reply-To: <20170506084244.368657io7htlqzg4@webmail.uniserve.com>
References: <20170506084244.368657io7htlqzg4@webmail.uniserve.com>
Message-ID: <20170506110828.58514l1grktrxmvw@webmail.uniserve.com>

Quoting Dave Stevens <geek at uniserve.com>:

> Just started showing up now when I started claws 3.13.2 for the  
> first time today, trying to reply, won't save to drafts either.  
> known issue?
>
> d
>

here:  
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2262#c14

is a statement that it's a windows issue and comment 14 says a fix is  
in commits but I'm using Mint 18. The network log shows nothing so I  
don't know what other diagnostics I can send along.

D

>
> -- 
> "As long as politics is the shadow cast on society by big business,
> the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance."
>
> -- John Dewey
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
>



-- 
"As long as politics is the shadow cast on society by big business,
the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance."

-- John Dewey







From suselist at cableone.net  Sat May  6 20:42:12 2017
From: suselist at cableone.net (listreader)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 13:42:12 -0500
Subject: [Users] could not queue message for sending - what's
 this?[also...]
In-Reply-To: <20170506110828.58514l1grktrxmvw@webmail.uniserve.com>
References: <20170506084244.368657io7htlqzg4@webmail.uniserve.com>
 <20170506110828.58514l1grktrxmvw@webmail.uniserve.com>
Message-ID: <20170506134212.77cfa710@msbhpmain.privatesite>

On Sat, 06 May 2017 11:08:28 -0700
Dave Stevens <geek at uniserve.com> wrote:

> Quoting Dave Stevens <geek at uniserve.com>:
> 
> > Just started showing up now when I started claws 3.13.2 for the  
> > first time today, trying to reply, won't save to drafts either.  
> > known issue?

> 
> here:  
> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2262#c14
> 
> is a statement that it's a windows issue and comment 14 says a fix
> is in commits but I'm using Mint 18. The network log shows nothing so
> I don't know what other diagnostics I can send along.
> 

Just another linux user here but: 3.13.2 is old. I'm running 3.14.0
under Leap 42.1 and I don't see that problem.  Try upgrading to at
least 3.14.0 (or newer) and see if that solves your problem.

Ralph


From al-clawsmail at none.at  Sat May  6 20:43:50 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 20:43:50 +0200
Subject: [Users] Windows build question
In-Reply-To: <20170505102909.19fe024a@hiker>
References: <20170503153106.00007da5@none.at> <20170503154448.77b9ea79@hiker>
 <20170503173632.00001bd0@none.at> <20170503235402.000078f6@none.at>
 <20170504141922.38094bc9@hiker> <20170504145223.000025e4@none.at>
 <20170505012210.00001805@none.at> <20170505102909.19fe024a@hiker>
Message-ID: <20170506204350.54854dec@homeal002>

Hi Andrej Kacian.

Andrej Kacian have written on Fri, 5 May 2017 10:29:09 +0200:

> On Fri, 5 May 2017 01:22:10 +0200
> Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:
> 
> > curl -vLO
> > http://www.claws-mail.org/download.php?file=releases/claws-mail-3.15.0.tar.xz
> > curl -vOL
> > http://www.claws-mail.org/download.php?file=win32/claws-mail-win32-3.15.0-1.tar.bz2
> > 
> > tar xfvJ claws-mail-3.15.0.tar.xz
> > tar xfvj claws-mail-win32-3.15.0-1.tar.bz2
> > cd claws-mail-3.15.0/
> > cp -avx ../claws-mail-win32-3.15.0-1/* .  
> 
> I'm not sure why you're doing what you're doing here. You do not need
> unpacked contents of claws-mail-3.15.0.tar.xz anywhere. Just put that
> file in packages/ directory if you want, so the download.sh script,
> which would download it, doesn't have to.
> 
> The tarball is later unpacked as part of the build process.

Thanks for the input. I have not fully discover the build process,
that's the reason why I have done this steps above.

> > cd packages/
> > ./download.sh
> > cd ../
> > curl -vo po/build-cc.in
> > 'http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws-win32-installer.git;a=blob_plain;f=po/build-cc.in;h=27ae24c9143559e0afefc771acec3e29b89b585a;hb=HEAD'
> > curl -vo src/installer-options.ini
> > 'http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws-win32-installer.git;a=blob_plain;f=src/installer-options.ini;hb=HEAD'
> > curl -vo src/installer-setdefaultclient.ini
> > 'http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws-win32-installer.git;a=blob_plain;f=src/installer-setdefaultclient.ini;hb=HEAD'
> > 
> > ./autogen.sh --build-w64
> > WAIT LOOONGTIME
> > ###
> > 
> > How difficult is it to create a portable zip file?  
> 
> You can get fairly good portability if you use correct claws-mail.exe
> parameters and some well thought out hand-edits of certain lines in
> config files.

Sorry but I haven't understand what you mean with this statement.

> > Is it allowed, from the license to offer the file
> > claws-mail-3.15.0-1-64bit.exe for download?  
> 
> As long as you explicitly state that yours is an unofficial build, I
> don't see a problem.

Thanks. I do not plan to populate the build.
I just ask in case when I start to develop and need to offer the build
for testing.

Regards
Aleks


From geek at uniserve.com  Sat May  6 21:20:48 2017
From: geek at uniserve.com (Dave Stevens)
Date: Sat, 06 May 2017 12:20:48 -0700
Subject: [Users] could not queue message for sending - what's
 this?[also...]
In-Reply-To: <20170506134212.77cfa710@msbhpmain.privatesite>
References: <20170506084244.368657io7htlqzg4@webmail.uniserve.com>
 <20170506110828.58514l1grktrxmvw@webmail.uniserve.com>
 <20170506134212.77cfa710@msbhpmain.privatesite>
Message-ID: <20170506122048.15382ip87f9j026o@webmail.uniserve.com>

Quoting listreader <suselist at cableone.net>:

> On Sat, 06 May 2017 11:08:28 -0700
> Dave Stevens <geek at uniserve.com> wrote:
>
>> Quoting Dave Stevens <geek at uniserve.com>:
>>
>> > Just started showing up now when I started claws 3.13.2 for the
>> > first time today, trying to reply, won't save to drafts either.
>> > known issue?
>
>>
>> here:
>> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2262#c14
>>
>> is a statement that it's a windows issue and comment 14 says a fix
>> is in commits but I'm using Mint 18. The network log shows nothing so
>> I don't know what other diagnostics I can send along.
>>
>
> Just another linux user here but: 3.13.2 is old. I'm running 3.14.0
> under Leap 42.1 and I don't see that problem.  Try upgrading to at
> least 3.14.0 (or newer) and see if that solves your problem.
>
> Ralph

Hi Ralph,

I don't know about reproducability or persistence across versions,
although I note that the first bug report linked above is stamped
"Colin Leroy 2012-11-15 10:54:48 CET " so I'm not sure of the value of
a newer version. Also I use what's in my distro's repo, which in the
case of a Ubuntu and Debian linux will always mean it's a  bit out of
date. I don't in general mind that.

My concern arises from the fact that last night I turned off my
computer in good apparent working order after having used Claws for
months without a hiccup and this AM (Pacific) it doesn't send mail.

So that doesn't smell like a versioning issue to me.

And I don't want to have to track down the source code and build with an
uncertain outcome.

Dave

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the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance."

-- John Dewey







From lfisk at iserv.net  Sat May  6 21:30:53 2017
From: lfisk at iserv.net (Leon Fisk)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 15:30:53 -0400
Subject: [Users] could not queue message for sending - what's
 this?[also...]
In-Reply-To: <20170506122048.15382ip87f9j026o@webmail.uniserve.com>
References: <20170506084244.368657io7htlqzg4@webmail.uniserve.com>
 <20170506110828.58514l1grktrxmvw@webmail.uniserve.com>
 <20170506134212.77cfa710@msbhpmain.privatesite>
 <20170506122048.15382ip87f9j026o@webmail.uniserve.com>
Message-ID: <201705061930.v46JUpVv015787@mail6.iserv.net>

On Sat, 06 May 2017 12:20:48 -0700
Dave Stevens <geek at uniserve.com> wrote:

<snip>
>My concern arises from the fact that last night I turned off my
>computer in good apparent working order after having used Claws for
>months without a hiccup and this AM (Pacific) it doesn't send mail.

Did you do a complete shutdown or just sleep/hibernate?

I've had problems like this after waking a desktop up from sleep.
Something got corrupted in the cache. A complete shutdown and reboot
would fix it or I've also had success by just quitting all my running
programs and then doing the following from a terminal:

sudo sh -c "sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches"

If you have already tried a clean boot disregard this...

-- 
Leon
Claws 3.15.0, Ubuntu Lucid


From peter777 at users.sourceforge.net  Sun May  7 00:55:34 2017
From: peter777 at users.sourceforge.net (Peter Richards)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 08:55:34 +1000
Subject: [Users] Mouse hover and colours ?
In-Reply-To: <20170505070634.4dbd9ca7@kujata>
References: <20170501145048.1bda7795@peter-asus64>
 <20170501160924.271053d8@peter-asus64>
 <20170505131825.7ab0a0fc@peter-asus64>
 <20170505070634.4dbd9ca7@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170507085534.4c92a2c5@peter-asus64>

On Fri, 5 May 2017 07:06:34 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 5 May 2017 13:18:25 +1000
> Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> wrote: 
> 
> > Is it possible to run Claws in debug mode, to try and see what is
> > causing this ?  
> 
> That won't help. Those colours are controlled by your GTK+ 2 theme.

Thanks Paul. However, the colours seem fine in other applications.
Claws seems to be overriding what is setup in the system, for tool
tips. Screen dumps at
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMljNig9oCqkjAMMn2cHMpBF-6KJuzBEAaY8RjXp1w5_rD36KrZfUvSo_2dksejUg?key=ZG40cFNFX0MtTkpOaWZ0S1FPZ3hpSld6anJabHJn

Regards,

Peter


From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Sun May  7 07:36:33 2017
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 01:36:33 -0400
Subject: [Users] Intermittent loss of SMTP user and password
Message-ID: <20170507013633.4458dfde@mydesk.domain.cxm>

Hi all,

For the second time in a year or so, my Claws setup magically lost its
SMTP auth info: Account name and password. And in fact, the "no auth"
checkbox (or whatever it's called) is checked. The reason I don't know
the exact names of these fields is because I can't pull up account
config while I'm typing this email.

Anyway, once I checked the proper box and put in the auth info, I was
able to send again. It's just bizarre that this happens every year or
so.

SteveT




From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun May  7 09:24:45 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 08:24:45 +0100
Subject: [Users] Mouse hover and colours ?
In-Reply-To: <20170507085534.4c92a2c5@peter-asus64>
References: <20170501145048.1bda7795@peter-asus64>
 <20170501160924.271053d8@peter-asus64>
 <20170505131825.7ab0a0fc@peter-asus64>
 <20170505070634.4dbd9ca7@kujata>
 <20170507085534.4c92a2c5@peter-asus64>
Message-ID: <20170507082445.11c9d743@kujata>

On Sun, 7 May 2017 08:55:34 +1000
Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> wrote: 

> However, the colours seem fine in other applications.
> Claws seems to be overriding what is setup in the system, for tool
> tips

Other GTK+ 2 applications?

with regards

Paul


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun May  7 09:25:49 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 08:25:49 +0100
Subject: [Users] Intermittent loss of SMTP user and password
In-Reply-To: <20170507013633.4458dfde@mydesk.domain.cxm>
References: <20170507013633.4458dfde@mydesk.domain.cxm>
Message-ID: <20170507082549.228dbcf0@kujata>

On Sun, 7 May 2017 01:36:33 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote: 

> Anyway, once I checked the proper box and put in the auth info, I
> was able to send again. It's just bizarre that this happens every
> year or so.

It's never happened here in even more years.

with regards

Paul


From subscript at free.fr  Sun May  7 10:45:47 2017
From: subscript at free.fr (wwp)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 10:45:47 +0200
Subject: [Users] Intermittent loss of SMTP user and password
In-Reply-To: <20170507013633.4458dfde@mydesk.domain.cxm>
References: <20170507013633.4458dfde@mydesk.domain.cxm>
Message-ID: <20170507104547.188f8b4a@anthra>

Hello Steve,


On Sun, 7 May 2017 01:36:33 -0400 Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> For the second time in a year or so, my Claws setup magically lost its
> SMTP auth info: Account name and password. And in fact, the "no auth"
> checkbox (or whatever it's called) is checked. The reason I don't know
> the exact names of these fields is because I can't pull up account
> config while I'm typing this email.
> 
> Anyway, once I checked the proper box and put in the auth info, I was
> able to send again. It's just bizarre that this happens every year or
> so.

Did you managed accounts, like made copy or reorder them? Do you see a
(unexpectedly) duplicate account?


Regards,

-- 
wwp
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun May  7 19:27:14 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 17:27:14 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3821] New: Potential security issue with libetpan
Message-ID: <bug-3821-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3821

            Bug ID: 3821
           Summary: Potential security issue with libetpan
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: other
          Hardware: All
                OS: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: critical
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: perry at piermont.com

About a week ago, someone reported that fuzzing with AFL had found a
number of possible problems in libetpan's mime handling. See:

https://github.com/dinhviethoa/libetpan/issues/274
and
https://github.com/rwhitworth/libetpan-fuzz/

for details.

It is probably worth fixing these internally to the project if the
libetpan maintainer doesn't fix them quickly himself, since remotely
exploitable bugs are a potentially significant issue for users.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun May  7 23:18:15 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 21:18:15 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3821] Potential security issue with libetpan
In-Reply-To: <bug-3821-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3821-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3821-595-fpR42TnCRK@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3821

--- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
At first, I wanted to close this, since we do not use the parts of libetpan
where the fuzzed segfaults happen (mailimf).

Then I noticed that our mailmbox plugin uses a very old copy of libetpan's
mailimf code, which probably is a bad itea all by itself. We should probably do
one of these:

1. update the src/plugins/mailmbox/mailimf* files from current libetpan
(copying also any eventual fixes to the reported issues
2. get rid of the local copy of mailimf code, link the plugin against libetpan
and use mailimf functions provided by it directly

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon May  8 00:32:16 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 22:32:16 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3821] Potential security issue with libetpan
In-Reply-To: <bug-3821-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3821-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3821-595-kuVp6MsRuN@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3821

--- Comment #2 from Perry E. Metzger <perry at piermont.com> ---
There is now a patch associated with libetpan issue 274 by the way. It might be
easy enough to apply to the legacy code for now.

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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Mon May  8 00:37:33 2017
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 18:37:33 -0400
Subject: [Users] Intermittent loss of SMTP user and password
In-Reply-To: <20170507104547.188f8b4a@anthra>
References: <20170507013633.4458dfde@mydesk.domain.cxm>
 <20170507104547.188f8b4a@anthra>
Message-ID: <20170507183733.01f0afac@mydesk.domain.cxm>

On Sun, 7 May 2017 10:45:47 +0200, wwp <subscript at free.fr> wrote:
> Hello Steve,
> 
> 
> On Sun, 7 May 2017 01:36:33 -0400 Steve Litt
> <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > For the second time in a year or so, my Claws setup magically lost
> > its SMTP auth info: Account name and password. And in fact, the "no
> > auth" checkbox (or whatever it's called) is checked. The reason I
> > don't know the exact names of these fields is because I can't pull
> > up account config while I'm typing this email.
> > 
> > Anyway, once I checked the proper box and put in the auth info, I
> > was able to send again. It's just bizarre that this happens every
> > year or so.  
> 
> Did you managed accounts, like made copy or reorder them?

The first time, maybe. The second time, no.


> Do you see a
> (unexpectedly) duplicate account?

I made a duplicate account a couple years ago, probably just before the
first occurrence. But I did nothing like that the last few days, just
before noticing it last night.

Thanks,

SteveT


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon May  8 01:12:00 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 23:12:00 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3821] Potential security issue with libetpan code in
 mailmbox plugin
In-Reply-To: <bug-3821-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3821-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3821-595-KrTGnPBw20@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3821

Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Summary|Potential security issue    |Potential security issue
                   |with libetpan               |with libetpan code in
                   |                            |mailmbox plugin

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon May  8 01:12:10 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 23:12:10 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3821] Potential security issue with libetpan code in
 mailmbox plugin
In-Reply-To: <bug-3821-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3821-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3821-595-8hbN7DGn7I@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3821

Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Component|Other                       |Plugins/mailMBOX

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon May  8 01:15:00 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 23:15:00 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3821] Potential security issue with libetpan code in
 mailmbox plugin
In-Reply-To: <bug-3821-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3821-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3821-595-n3Huvw6Wqx@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3821

Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

--- Comment #3 from users at lists.claws-mail.org ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://git.claws-mail.org/

++ ChangeLog    2017-05-08 01:14:02.523175950 +0200
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b2aaf6c8aa1fabd8737c21c63ebfccaa39feaad
Merge: 2775715 0c02106
Author: Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net>
Date:   Mon May 8 01:14:02 2017 +0200

    Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws

http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=0c021062d1ba763d57f37777cfe2e2119d3264ef
Author: Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Mon May 8 01:09:53 2017 +0200

    Fix crash in mailimf_group_parse() in mailmbox plugin.

    Fix based on upstream fix:
    https://github.com/dinhviethoa/libetpan/commit/1fe8fb

    Fixes our bug #3821:
    Potential security issue with libetpan code in mailmbox plugin

--- Comment #4 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
Hoa has provided an even better fix, which I copied into our copy of mailimf.c.
Thanks for the report!

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon May  8 01:54:25 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 23:54:25 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3821] Potential security issue with libetpan code in
 mailmbox plugin
In-Reply-To: <bug-3821-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3821-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3821-595-IzzxEE3Z01@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3821

--- Comment #5 from Perry E. Metzger <perry at piermont.com> ---
And thank you for the prompt fix! Does this merit a point release?

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From peter777 at users.sourceforge.net  Mon May  8 03:12:37 2017
From: peter777 at users.sourceforge.net (Peter Richards)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 11:12:37 +1000
Subject: [Users] Mouse hover and colours ?
In-Reply-To: <20170507082445.11c9d743@kujata>
References: <20170501145048.1bda7795@peter-asus64>
 <20170501160924.271053d8@peter-asus64>
 <20170505131825.7ab0a0fc@peter-asus64>
 <20170505070634.4dbd9ca7@kujata>
 <20170507085534.4c92a2c5@peter-asus64>
 <20170507082445.11c9d743@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170508111237.58fb8a57@peter-asus64>

On Sun, 7 May 2017 08:24:45 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 7 May 2017 08:55:34 +1000
> Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> wrote: 
> 
> > However, the colours seem fine in other applications.
> > Claws seems to be overriding what is setup in the system, for tool
> > tips  
> 
> Other GTK+ 2 applications?

Hmm, you are right, thanks. I just noticed it in GIMP, and that needs
libgtk2.

Regards,

Peter


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon May  8 09:47:14 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 07:47:14 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3821] Potential security issue with libetpan code in
 mailmbox plugin
In-Reply-To: <bug-3821-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3821-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3821-595-ZXa252cRIF@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3821

--- Comment #6 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
(In reply to comment #5)
> Does this merit a point release?

No, it doesn't. After further checks, we're only using two minor functions from
the mailimf code, and their call graphs do not touch code affected by that fix.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon May  8 16:43:23 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 14:43:23 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3821] Potential security issue with libetpan code in
 mailmbox plugin
In-Reply-To: <bug-3821-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3821-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3821-595-hIpAVVrNnA@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3821

--- Comment #7 from Perry E. Metzger <perry at piermont.com> ---
Good to hear.

On the wider issue, as you noted, it would still be good to update the plugin
not to use a local copy of libetpan.

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From ricardo at mones.org  Tue May  9 00:42:47 2017
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 00:42:47 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170505222004.2ec0a6b9@gandalf.lan2>
References: <20170505211008.427097a8@gandalf.lan2>
 <20170505212336.77f72973@penny>
 <20170505221728.1df016a4@gandalf.lan2>
 <20170505222004.2ec0a6b9@gandalf.lan2>
Message-ID: <20170508224247.gxntqnpwkfzjdaq5@curuxu>

On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 10:20:04PM +0200, mi wrote:
> To draw back on my initial attempt, i downgraded because in debian
> testing, they got no dbg symbols for 3.14, only for 3.11.  Do you
> happen to know where i could get a 3.14 dbg package ?

Stretch version has been migrated from 'dbg' packages to automatic debug
packages (AKA 'dbgsym'), which are in a dedicated repository.

See https://wiki.debian.org/AutomaticDebugPackages for details.

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From liste at secarica.ro  Tue May  9 17:10:38 2017
From: liste at secarica.ro (Cristian =?UTF-8?B?U2VjYXLEgw==?=)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 18:10:38 +0300
Subject: [Users] remove gray strips on folder list
Message-ID: <20170509181038.ac46f828a13c71bbc82139af@secarica.ro>

Is it possible to remove the white/gray horizontal background strips
from folder list view *but* keeping them on message list view ?

I just want the folder list (only) to look cleaner.
Prhaps by modifying a template parameter ?

Cristi

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From subscript at free.fr  Tue May  9 17:16:53 2017
From: subscript at free.fr (wwp)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 17:16:53 +0200
Subject: [Users] remove gray strips on folder list
In-Reply-To: <20170509181038.ac46f828a13c71bbc82139af@secarica.ro>
References: <20170509181038.ac46f828a13c71bbc82139af@secarica.ro>
Message-ID: <20170509171653.0c912989@anthra>

Hello Cristian,


On Tue, 9 May 2017 18:10:38 +0300 Cristian Secară <liste at secarica.ro> wrote:

> Is it possible to remove the white/gray horizontal background strips
> from folder list view *but* keeping them on message list view ?
> 
> I just want the folder list (only) to look cleaner.
> Prhaps by modifying a template parameter ?

http://www.claws-mail.org/documentation.php?section=general

Jump to the Advanced features, search for Hidden preferences, then find:
 use_stripes_everywhere
 use_stripes_in_summaries

and eventually:
 stripes_color_offset

Everything is there, if you can't find your way w/ this, then your way
is not possible.


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From charlescurley at charlescurley.com  Tue May  9 18:21:23 2017
From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 10:21:23 -0600
Subject: [Users] Loading the tnef plugin
Message-ID: <20170509102123.06213822@jhegaala.localdomain>

Using Claws-mail 3.14.1-1~bpo8+1 on Debian, from the jessie backports
repo.

So someone sent me an email with a

[winmail.dat  application/ms-tnef (12640 bytes)]

attachment. I shut claws down and installed the tnef plugin:

--------------------------------------------------
root at jhegaala:~# apt -t jessie-backports install claws-mail-tnef-parser
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  libnfsidmap2 libtirpc1 python-dialog
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  claws-mail-tnef-parser
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 215 not upgraded.
Need to get 160 kB of archives.
After this operation, 267 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://mirror.steadfast.net/debian/ jessie-backports/main claws-mail-tnef-parser amd64 3.14.1-1~bpo8+1 [160 kB]
Fetched 160 kB in 0s (257 kB/s)
Selecting previously unselected package claws-mail-tnef-parser.
(Reading database ... 168038 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../claws-mail-tnef-parser_3.14.1-1~bpo8+1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking claws-mail-tnef-parser (3.14.1-1~bpo8+1) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.0.2-5) ...
Setting up claws-mail-tnef-parser (3.14.1-1~bpo8+1) ...
Scanning processes...
Scanning candidates...
Scanning kernel images...
Running kernel seems to be up-to-date.
root at jhegaala:~#
--------------------------------------------------

However, on starting Claws I don't see the plugin in Configuration -->
Plugins or in Configuration --> Preferences --> Plugins. The message
looks like the "before" image in the web page for the tnef
plugin. http://www.claws-mail.org/plugin.php?plugin=tnef_parser

What am I missing?

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From andrej at kacian.sk  Tue May  9 19:02:54 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 19:02:54 +0200
Subject: [Users] Loading the tnef plugin
In-Reply-To: <20170509102123.06213822@jhegaala.localdomain>
References: <20170509102123.06213822@jhegaala.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20170509190254.7610950b@penny>

On Tue, 9 May 2017 10:21:23 -0600
Charles Curley <charlescurley at charlescurley.com> wrote:

> However, on starting Claws I don't see the plugin in Configuration -->
> Plugins or in Configuration --> Preferences --> Plugins. The message
> looks like the "before" image in the web page for the tnef
> plugin. http://www.claws-mail.org/plugin.php?plugin=tnef_parser
> 
> What am I missing?

You also need to load the plugin, via Configuration/Plugins menu.

Regards,
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From charlescurley at charlescurley.com  Tue May  9 19:41:05 2017
From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 11:41:05 -0600
Subject: [Users] Loading the tnef plugin
In-Reply-To: <20170509190254.7610950b@penny>
References: <20170509102123.06213822@jhegaala.localdomain>
 <20170509190254.7610950b@penny>
Message-ID: <20170509114105.515d2817@jhegaala.localdomain>

On Tue, 9 May 2017 19:02:54 +0200
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

> > 
> > What am I missing?  
> 
> You also need to load the plugin, via Configuration/Plugins menu.

OK, I see my mistake. I looked at that menu. I didn't see the TNEF
plugin in the list on the left, so I concluded it wasn't installed
correctly or some such.

But that is a list of *loaded* modules. Doh! I hit "load...", selected
the appropriate module, and went from there.

Thanks!

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and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
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supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the
place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
-- U.S. Const. Amendment IV

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From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Tue May  9 20:40:55 2017
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 19:40:55 +0100
Subject: [Users] Loading the tnef plugin
In-Reply-To: <20170509114105.515d2817@jhegaala.localdomain>
References: <20170509102123.06213822@jhegaala.localdomain>
 <20170509190254.7610950b@penny>
 <20170509114105.515d2817@jhegaala.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20170509194055.00006b23@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Tue, 9 May 2017 11:41:05 -0600
Charles Curley wrote:

> But that is a list of *loaded* modules. Doh! I hit "load...", selected
> the appropriate module, and went from there.

It might be useful if Claws said "<n> plugins loaded, <m> more
available to load" somewhere, not sure where would be best though.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue May  9 22:36:44 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 20:36:44 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3822] New: AttRemover deletes message and fails to
 create new one when disk is full
Message-ID: <bug-3822-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3822

            Bug ID: 3822
           Summary: AttRemover deletes message and fails to create new one
                    when disk is full
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.11.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Plugins/AttRemover
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: jerome at jolimont.fr

The other day, my server disk space was full. I tried to gain space using
AttRemover and realized that the messages were simply deleted.

I guess the plugin deletes the old message, then tries to create a new one
without the attachments, but if the creation fails, everything is lost.

Perhaps the new message should be created first and the whole process aborted
in case of creation failure.

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From codejodler at gmx.ch  Tue May  9 22:57:17 2017
From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Micha)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 22:57:17 +0200
Subject: [Users] passwords deleted after downgrade ?
In-Reply-To: <20170508224247.gxntqnpwkfzjdaq5@curuxu>
References: <20170505211008.427097a8@gandalf.lan2>
 <20170505212336.77f72973@penny>
 <20170505221728.1df016a4@gandalf.lan2>
 <20170505222004.2ec0a6b9@gandalf.lan2>
 <20170508224247.gxntqnpwkfzjdaq5@curuxu>
Message-ID: <20170509225717.5ae34351@lynx>

Thanks Ricardo !

I'll be looking into this when i'm back from the road (next weekend).


> See https://wiki.debian.org/AutomaticDebugPackages for details.

Huh some day they come up with building them just only on-demand (and it takes only 5s).



From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed May 10 02:12:37 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 00:12:37 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3822] AttRemover deletes message and fails to create
 new one when disk is full
In-Reply-To: <bug-3822-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3822-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3822-595-KHoBoUFlci@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3822

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
           Severity|normal                      |major

--- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
(In reply to comment #0)
> The other day, my server disk space was full. I tried to gain space using
> AttRemover and realized that the messages were simply deleted.
> 
> I guess the plugin deletes the old message, then tries to create a new one
> without the attachments, but if the creation fails, everything is lost.

That's correct, see
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=blob;f=src/plugins/att_remover/att_remover.c;h=1092c15ef650c18b226bdacee559de011f1583d3;hb=HEAD#l109

> Perhaps the new message should be created first and the whole process
> aborted in case of creation failure.

Yep, but checking for creation failure is also missing in current code.

And this is not just a normal bug, since it causes data loss.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed May 10 18:23:54 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:23:54 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3817] Rework alertpanel focus handling
In-Reply-To: <bug-3817-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3817-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3817-595-VbsoaY77uY@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3817

--- Comment #1 from flo.xfce at gmx-topmail.de ---
I thought about this some more. My intention was to ease porting efforts to
gtk3. However, in gtk3, stock items, which are heavily used in alertpanels will
be deprecated. Those stock items bundle a label and an icon name. Thus, if we
at one point in time port away from stock items we would have to rework the
alertpanel code again to take both the button labels and the button icons as
seperate parameters. I really don't want to go through the whole rework more
than once, better make it right the first time. Passing icon names and button
labels seperately, together with the focus parameter introduced in this bug
report, brings the number of parameters in alertpanel_create to 13, which I
consider bad coding style.
Any ideas how to proceed? Take the discussion to the mailing list or here in
bugzilla?

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From liste at secarica.ro  Wed May 10 23:18:57 2017
From: liste at secarica.ro (Cristian =?UTF-8?B?U2VjYXLEgw==?=)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 00:18:57 +0300
Subject: [Users] remove gray strips on folder list
In-Reply-To: <20170509171653.0c912989@anthra>
References: <20170509181038.ac46f828a13c71bbc82139af@secarica.ro>
 <20170509171653.0c912989@anthra>
Message-ID: <20170511001857.6e632ece80dc1c6144c484f0@secarica.ro>

În data de Tue, 9 May 2017 17:16:53 +0200, wwp a scris:

> > Is it possible to remove the white/gray horizontal background strips
> > from folder list view *but* keeping them on message list view ?
> 
> Jump to the Advanced features, search for Hidden preferences, then
> find: use_stripes_everywhere
>  use_stripes_in_summaries
> 
> and eventually:
>  stripes_color_offset

My exact desire seems unavailable, but playing with the color ofset
resulted in a reduced (light) contrast for overall stripes – which is
better than previous.

So, thank you for the tip :)

Cristi

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu May 11 01:18:52 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 23:18:52 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3817] Rework alertpanel focus handling
In-Reply-To: <bug-3817-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3817-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3817-595-OKgrCiMmhZ@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3817

--- Comment #2 from Michael Rasmussen <mir at datanom.net> ---
Perhaps pass a struct containing all parameters as parameter to alertpanel()?

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From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Thu May 11 03:14:13 2017
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 18:14:13 -0700
Subject: [Users] Filter/action problem
Message-ID: <20170510181413.6c8c644f@frogguski.911networks.com>

CM 3.14.1

I'm trying to run some action within a filter and it's not working

I'm trying to get a text file that list the subject lines from an
email as it is moved into a folder:

Condition: to_or_cc match "fail2ban@"

Action: execute "grep \"^Subject:\\ \" %f >> fail2ban.txt" move "#mh/Mailbox/work/server"

It does move the email to the proper folder, but it doesn't export
the subject line.

When running the action from the tool menu > action,
it works but not when running in the filter.

What am I doing wrong?


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From andrej at kacian.sk  Thu May 11 09:05:56 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 09:05:56 +0200
Subject: [Users] testmail:
Message-ID: <20170511090556.4da3e64c@penny>



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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu May 11 10:02:08 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 08:02:08 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3817] Rework alertpanel focus handling
In-Reply-To: <bug-3817-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3817-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3817-595-IulnbXbU9i@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3817

--- Comment #3 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
Please do not make a simple API into an unmaintainable and unusable nightmare
like this.

Surely GTK3 has support for freedesktop icon names, which can be used instead
of deprecated GTK stock icons?

https://specifications.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu May 11 12:16:48 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 10:16:48 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3817] Rework alertpanel focus handling
In-Reply-To: <bug-3817-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3817-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3817-595-Jhf031L9qX@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3817

--- Comment #4 from flo.xfce at gmx-topmail.de ---
Passing a struct will not really help. Look at the patch to get an idea of how
many call to alertpanel_* there are. Everytime we would have to fill a new
struct, this does not help readability or maintainability at all.
Of course gtk3 has support for freedesktop icon names, but it deprecated the
mapping between an icon and a label.
gtk_button_new_from_stock (which is used internally in alertpanel_create) just
needs the stock item and infers label and icon automatically, this is no longer
possible with non-deprecated api. gtk_button_new_from_icon_name and
gtk_button_set_label do this now.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu May 11 13:30:30 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 11:30:30 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3823] New: Adding signature via "Message -> append
 signature" fails
Message-ID: <bug-3823-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3823

            Bug ID: 3823
           Summary: Adding signature via "Message -> append signature"
                    fails
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail (Windows)
           Version: 3.15.0
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Windows 7
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: tschweikle at gmail.com

Trying to add a signature stored in a file via "Message -> append signature"
fails. It is just nothing done. If I click "Edit" to edit the signature-file,
an editor opens. I'd assume the file is found and accessible.

What I'd awaited:
appending signature

What really happens:
nothing

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu May 11 13:55:29 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 11:55:29 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3823] Adding signature via "Message -> append
	signature" fails
In-Reply-To: <bug-3823-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3823-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3823-595-8jayFIv6h0@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3823

--- Comment #1 from Abhay S. Kushwaha <clawsmail at kushwaha.com> ---
The account you've set the signature in, and the account you have selected
while composing the email, seem to be different in this case. Please confirm
they're the same.

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From geek at uniserve.com  Fri May 12 00:01:34 2017
From: geek at uniserve.com (Dave Stevens)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 15:01:34 -0700
Subject: [Users] could not queue message for sending - what's
 this?[also...] [SOLVED]
In-Reply-To: <201705061930.v46JUpVv015787@mail6.iserv.net>
References: <20170506084244.368657io7htlqzg4@webmail.uniserve.com>
 <20170506110828.58514l1grktrxmvw@webmail.uniserve.com>
 <20170506134212.77cfa710@msbhpmain.privatesite>
 <20170506122048.15382ip87f9j026o@webmail.uniserve.com>
 <201705061930.v46JUpVv015787@mail6.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <20170511150134.485897b2@user-Satellite-A100>

On Sat, 6 May 2017 15:30:53 -0400
Leon Fisk <lfisk at iserv.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 06 May 2017 12:20:48 -0700
> Dave Stevens <geek at uniserve.com> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> >My concern arises from the fact that last night I turned off my
> >computer in good apparent working order after having used Claws for
> >months without a hiccup and this AM (Pacific) it doesn't send mail.
> 
> Did you do a complete shutdown or just sleep/hibernate?
> 
> I've had problems like this after waking a desktop up from sleep.
> Something got corrupted in the cache. A complete shutdown and reboot
> would fix it or I've also had success by just quitting all my running
> programs and then doing the following from a terminal:
> 
> sudo sh -c "sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches"
> 
> If you have already tried a clean boot disregard this...
> 

yes, a good idea though, what worked is the bottom bit here:

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1879

so I can send again. I have no idea how or why this arose and it's been
a major PITA. Thanks to those who responded.

d


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May 12 01:14:19 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 23:14:19 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3822] AttRemover deletes message and fails to create
 new one when disk is full
In-Reply-To: <bug-3822-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3822-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3822-595-ZkkCL4a2CT@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3822

--- Comment #2 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
Created attachment 1749
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1749&action=edit
Possible fix for this

Hi! would be nice if you can build with the attached patch and test if it fixes
the problem for you. Any comment welcome.

Thanks in advance,

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May 12 09:22:23 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 07:22:23 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3822] AttRemover deletes message and fails to create
 new one when disk is full
In-Reply-To: <bug-3822-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3822-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3822-595-cn5IpIijEx@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3822

--- Comment #3 from J <jerome at jolimont.fr> ---
LGTM

I don't think I'll have the time to build and reproduce the test case
(fortunately, I fixed the "server full" issue, and I don't have any test server
to try that on).

Does claws-mail have a unit tests suite? I didn't find it in the source.

Thanks for the fix.

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From edodd55 at gmail.com  Fri May 12 13:23:33 2017
From: edodd55 at gmail.com (Liz)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 21:23:33 +1000
Subject: [Users] Restoring RSS feed list
Message-ID: <20170512212333.60db2e94.edodd55@gmail.com>

Today, my RSS feed list has emptied itself. After closing Claws-Mail, 
I have tried copying a backup of
~/.claws-mail/RSSyl/rssyl-feedlist.opml into place - an obvious size
difference, with the backup much larger.

This didn't restore my feed list.
Could someone advise what other steps are required?

Liz


From andrej at kacian.sk  Fri May 12 13:34:04 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 13:34:04 +0200
Subject: [Users] Restoring RSS feed list
In-Reply-To: <20170512212333.60db2e94.edodd55@gmail.com>
References: <20170512212333.60db2e94.edodd55@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170512133404.4ffb8ac1@hiker>

On Fri, 12 May 2017 21:23:33 +1000
Liz <edodd55 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Today, my RSS feed list has emptied itself. After closing Claws-Mail, 
> I have tried copying a backup of
> ~/.claws-mail/RSSyl/rssyl-feedlist.opml into place - an obvious size
> difference, with the backup much larger.
> 
> This didn't restore my feed list.
> Could someone advise what other steps are required?

Hi, that .opml file is just a dead export, Claws Mail just writes it
out and doesn't care about it further. You can import it manually by
right-clicking any RSSyl folder (I suggest creating e.g. "import"
folder for that), and selecting "Import feed list..."

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From andrej at kacian.sk  Fri May 12 18:23:53 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 18:23:53 +0200
Subject: [Users] [PATCH] Fix incorrect labels on folder selection
In-Reply-To: <20170327090535.23040-1-jjk@jjacky.com>
References: <20170327090535.23040-1-jjk@jjacky.com>
Message-ID: <20170512182353.58110191@penny>

On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:05:35 +0200
Olivier Brunel <jjk at jjacky.com> wrote:

> When custom label for folder selection were introduced (in bd8213fe) a
> few ones were wrongly set, specifically ones when copying/moving folders
> were talking about copying/moving message(s) instead.

Patch committed, thanks for catching this!

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From liste at secarica.ro  Sat May 13 01:34:52 2017
From: liste at secarica.ro (Cristian =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Secar=E3?=)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 02:34:52 +0300
Subject: [Users] batch refresh of attachment icon for copied messages ?
Message-ID: <20170513023452.00003860@secarica.ro>

I copied in Claws Mail mailbox a group of folders from an existing and 
working Sylpheed mailbox. Everything is fine, except for the attachment
icon (where applicable) in that it shows up next to the message only
after the message is selected at least once – either directly with the
mouse or by moving the selection up/down from message to message.

Is there a way to automate this process ? Manual selection scan will
last too long to be a reasonable solution in folders with more than
1000-2000 messages.

Cristi

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From liste at secarica.ro  Sat May 13 02:09:10 2017
From: liste at secarica.ro (Cristian =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Secar=E3?=)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 03:09:10 +0300
Subject: [Users] batch refresh of attachment icon for copied messages ?
In-Reply-To: <20170513023452.00003860@secarica.ro>
References: <20170513023452.00003860@secarica.ro>
Message-ID: <20170513030910.000052d8@secarica.ro>

În data de Sat, 13 May 2017 02:34:52 +0300, Cristian Secară a scris:

> [...] Everything is fine, except for the attachment icon (where
> applicable) in that it shows up next to the message only after the
> message is selected at least once – either directly with the mouse or
> by moving the selection up/down from message to message.

This kind of icon refresh is also not THE way it should be done,
because all are disappearing again after closing and reopening Claws
Mail (whereas a new message with attachment will always shows its
attachment icon)

Hmm...

Cristi

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From edodd55 at gmail.com  Sat May 13 08:47:43 2017
From: edodd55 at gmail.com (Liz)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 16:47:43 +1000
Subject: [Users] Restoring RSS feed list
In-Reply-To: <20170512133404.4ffb8ac1@hiker>
References: <20170512212333.60db2e94.edodd55@gmail.com>
 <20170512133404.4ffb8ac1@hiker>
Message-ID: <20170513164743.39f86b86.edodd55@gmail.com>

On Fri, 12 May 2017 13:34:04 +0200
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

> On Fri, 12 May 2017 21:23:33 +1000
> Liz <edodd55 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Today, my RSS feed list has emptied itself. After closing
> > Claws-Mail, I have tried copying a backup of
> > ~/.claws-mail/RSSyl/rssyl-feedlist.opml into place - an obvious size
> > difference, with the backup much larger.
> > 
> > This didn't restore my feed list.
> > Could someone advise what other steps are required?  
> 
> Hi, that .opml file is just a dead export, Claws Mail just writes it
> out and doesn't care about it further. You can import it manually by
> right-clicking any RSSyl folder (I suggest creating e.g. "import"
> folder for that), and selecting "Import feed list..."
> 
> Regards,

This is what I get, for every feed
Error while subscribing feed
http://www.abc.net.au/local/rss/riverina/news.xml

Folder name 'News from ABC Riverina' is not allowed.

Claws Mail 3.14.1 
System Information
GTK+ 2.24.31 / GLib 2.50.3
Locale: en_AU.utf8 (charset: UTF-8)
Operating System: Linux 4.9.0-3-amd64 (x86_64)

Does this explain why my news feeds have all been deleted?
Any more suggestions?

Liz


From edodd55 at gmail.com  Sat May 13 09:00:35 2017
From: edodd55 at gmail.com (Liz)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 17:00:35 +1000
Subject: [Users] Restoring RSS feed list
In-Reply-To: <20170513164743.39f86b86.edodd55@gmail.com>
References: <20170512212333.60db2e94.edodd55@gmail.com>
 <20170512133404.4ffb8ac1@hiker>
 <20170513164743.39f86b86.edodd55@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170513170035.4438fbf8.edodd55@gmail.com>

On Sat, 13 May 2017 16:47:43 +1000
Liz <edodd55 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 12 May 2017 13:34:04 +0200
> Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 12 May 2017 21:23:33 +1000
> > Liz <edodd55 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > Today, my RSS feed list has emptied itself. After closing
> > > Claws-Mail, I have tried copying a backup of
> > > ~/.claws-mail/RSSyl/rssyl-feedlist.opml into place - an obvious
> > > size difference, with the backup much larger.
> > > 
> > > This didn't restore my feed list.
> > > Could someone advise what other steps are required?    
> > 
> > Hi, that .opml file is just a dead export, Claws Mail just writes it
> > out and doesn't care about it further. You can import it manually by
> > right-clicking any RSSyl folder (I suggest creating e.g. "import"
> > folder for that), and selecting "Import feed list..."
> > 
> > Regards,  
> 
> This is what I get, for every feed
> Error while subscribing feed
> http://www.abc.net.au/local/rss/riverina/news.xml
> 
> Folder name 'News from ABC Riverina' is not allowed.
> 
> Claws Mail 3.14.1 
> System Information
> GTK+ 2.24.31 / GLib 2.50.3
> Locale: en_AU.utf8 (charset: UTF-8)
> Operating System: Linux 4.9.0-3-amd64 (x86_64)
> 
> Does this explain why my news feeds have all been deleted?
> Any more suggestions?
> 
> Liz


However, my mail feeds were restored by teh import procedure.
Thanks Andrej


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat May 13 12:39:30 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 10:39:30 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3822] AttRemover deletes message and fails to create
 new one when disk is full
In-Reply-To: <bug-3822-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3822-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3822-595-oHupMOsOpD@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3822

--- Comment #4 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
(In reply to comment #3)
> LGTM
> 
> I don't think I'll have the time to build and reproduce the test case
> (fortunately, I fixed the "server full" issue, and I don't have any test
> server to try that on).

A virtual machine with a small disc could be a cheap test server for this case.

> Does claws-mail have a unit tests suite? I didn't find it in the source.

You answered yourself ;)

> Thanks for the fix.

You're welcome!

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From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Sat May 13 19:14:11 2017
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 10:14:11 -0700
Subject: [Users] Is CM participating?
Message-ID: <20170513101411.0e6e38e6@frogguski.911networks.com>

Hi,

Google Found Over 1,000 Bugs In 47 Open Source Projects with the
Google's OSS-Fuzz program and is offering cash to participate.

https://it.slashdot.org/story/17/05/13/0113255/google-found-over-1000-bugs-in-47-open-source-projects

Projects participating:

Wireshark, LibreOffice, SQLite 3,...

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From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Sat May 13 19:34:43 2017
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 19:34:43 +0200
Subject: [Users] Is CM participating?
In-Reply-To: <20170513101411.0e6e38e6@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20170513101411.0e6e38e6@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20170513193443.224d9f61@utnubu>

On Sat, 13 May 2017 10:14:11 -0700, sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Google Found Over 1,000 Bugs In 47 Open Source Projects with the
>Google's OSS-Fuzz program and is offering cash to participate.
>
>https://it.slashdot.org/story/17/05/13/0113255/google-found-over-1000-bugs-in-47-open-source-projects
>
>Projects participating:
>
>Wireshark, LibreOffice, SQLite 3,...

Hi,

do you already care about at least CVE's yourself?

Some distros provide auditing tools, such as
https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/arch-audit/ ,
others at least provide a website, such as https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/
and even if a distro doesn't have a security team, there's still
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Vulnerabilities_and_Exposures#External_links .

Regarding bugs in general we could use the distros', as well as the
upstream bugtrackers to report issues we are experiencing, e.g. for
Claws http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/ .

If upstream of what ever software likes to participate, it's their
choice, however, I would like to see, that at least a few projects
don't become member of the big Google "family".

Regards,
Ralf



From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Sat May 13 19:54:41 2017
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 10:54:41 -0700
Subject: [Users] Is CM participating?
In-Reply-To: <20170513193443.224d9f61@utnubu>
References: <20170513101411.0e6e38e6@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170513193443.224d9f61@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20170513105441.44d996a1@frogguski.911networks.com>

On Sat, 13 May 2017 19:34:43 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote:

>If upstream of what ever software likes to participate, it's their
>choice, however, I would like to see, that at least a few projects
>don't become member of the big Google "family".

1. I'm NOT requesting/suggesting that CM should be part of the
OSS-Fuzz program.
2. I was only asking a question
3. CM is a 'core' program for me. After deleting 220,000 emails
(from some active mailing lists), I still have about 45,000 current
emails and it's working very well. But if 'they' can find bugs and
squash them...
4. From reading the reports, I don't see how it becomes part of the
"Google family", so I was asking for some information.

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From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Sat May 13 20:24:14 2017
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 20:24:14 +0200
Subject: [Users] Is CM participating?
In-Reply-To: <20170513105441.44d996a1@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20170513101411.0e6e38e6@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170513193443.224d9f61@utnubu>
 <20170513105441.44d996a1@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20170513202414.5ccf9f53@utnubu>

On Sat, 13 May 2017 10:54:41 -0700, sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:
>4. From reading the reports, I don't see how it becomes part of the
>"Google family", so I was asking for some information.

Hi,

I just wanted to add my opinion. I'm _not_ a Claws developer, I'm just
scared about the almighty Google and worry about that even a lot of
FLOSS developers IMO like Google too much.

Regards,
Ralf



From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Sat May 13 20:30:53 2017
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 20:30:53 +0200
Subject: [Users] Is CM participating?
In-Reply-To: <20170513202414.5ccf9f53@utnubu>
References: <20170513101411.0e6e38e6@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170513193443.224d9f61@utnubu>
 <20170513105441.44d996a1@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170513202414.5ccf9f53@utnubu>
Message-ID: <1494700253.2435.1.camel@zoho.com>

On Sat, 2017-05-13 at 20:24 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 13 May 2017 10:54:41 -0700, sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:
> > 4. From reading the reports, I don't see how it becomes part of the
> > "Google family", so I was asking for some information.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just wanted to add my opinion. I'm _not_ a Claws developer, I'm just
> scared about the almighty Google and worry about that even a lot of
> FLOSS developers IMO like Google too much.
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf

PS:

Don't get me wrong, I'm _not_ per se against Google. For Google it's the
same as it is for alcohol. I'm not drinking alcohol on a daily basis.
IMO Google shouldn't become part of anybodies daily routine.



From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat May 13 23:17:26 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 21:17:26 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3770] Hide tags/IMAP keywords and/or change tag row
 background color
In-Reply-To: <bug-3770-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3770-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3770-595-HvLUxM4clR@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3770

alt.rw-9o6f8p42 at yopmail.com changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Version|3.14.0                      |3.15.0

--- Comment #2 from alt.rw-9o6f8p42 at yopmail.com ---
Any plans to allow users to hide the tag line entirely?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun May 14 11:29:55 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 09:29:55 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3812] It is not possible to write "i" and
 "=?UTF-8?Q?=C4=B0?=" characters with W8.1's touchscreen keyboard
In-Reply-To: <bug-3812-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3812-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3812-595-Q6IWjgZBF1@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3812

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #2 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
Closing as invalid, as this is very likely a Windows 8 bug.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun May 14 11:52:05 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 09:52:05 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3795] [PATCH] Fix typo in utils.c
In-Reply-To: <bug-3795-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3795-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3795-595-niFIy34HWq@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3795

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

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   Attachment #1737|                            |applied+
              Flags|                            |

--- Comment #1 from users at lists.claws-mail.org ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://git.claws-mail.org/

++ ChangeLog    2017-05-14 11:52:02.310226671 +0200
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=6280b885817e804a2653b9533360ae9b021d2f0e
Merge: ceb194f 0899c77
Author: Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net>
Date:   Sun May 14 11:52:01 2017 +0200

    Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws

http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=0899c770a683f56b65bc64249421403a8e6ac7bf
Author: Andreas Bierfert <andreas.bierfert at lowlatency.de>
Date:   Wed Mar 29 09:54:27 2017 +0200

    Fix bug #3795 ‘typo in utils comparison’

    Fix a typo in utils.c which causes a wrong comparison.

--- Comment #2 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
Comment on attachment 1737
  --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1737
Patch against current git

Thanks for the patch!

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun May 14 11:52:30 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 09:52:30 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3795] [PATCH] Fix typo in utils.c
In-Reply-To: <bug-3795-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3795-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3795-595-sMWAbZFp8M@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3795

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun May 14 14:09:44 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 12:09:44 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3812] It is not possible to write "i" and
 "=?UTF-8?Q?=C4=B0?=" characters with W8.1's touchscreen keyboard
In-Reply-To: <bug-3812-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3812-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3812-595-v8oWHwkn90@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3812

--- Comment #3 from Cristian Secară <bugz at secarica.ro> ---
This seems to be a combination of bugs related to the Windows On-Screen
Keyboard (OSK) *AND* the GTK+ port on Windows. I am pretty sure it is not
application specific, i.e. not Claws Mail specific.

I am not using the OSK normally, but I tested now just for curiosity: either
combination of keys based on AltGr modifier (any character that should be
generated, not only i and İ) does not work at all when using OSK & GTK+ based
application – for example Inkscape or Claws Mail.

I'm on Windows 7 and tested this with the default keyboard for my language,
Romanian, but also with the Q-Turkish keyboard which I activated on purpose. It
is the same on Windows Vista (i.e. AltGr not working in OSK & GTK+ combination)
and I assume it is the same on Windows 8.x.

The same OSK does not have this problem when using native applications (Worpad,
for example).

Probably a quick fix could be to search and use an alternate OSK version
(third-party).

Cristi

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From ebosch at hofmann.es  Thu May 18 16:27:47 2017
From: ebosch at hofmann.es (Enrique Bosch)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 16:27:47 +0200
Subject: [Users] GData plugin: I cannot see domain contacts (those in
	Directory)
Message-ID: <20170518162747.6a4dd96a@raton.hofmann.es>



Hi All,

I use Claws Mail as my main email client with a Gmail for business account. I have installed the GData plugin to have the corporative contacts in Claws, it's working but there is a problem: the corporative domain contacts (they are in a folder called "Directory" from Gmail web interface) are not being synchronized, only the personal contacts I have added in "My contacts" folder are visible from Claws.

I can manually copy the contacts from "Directory" to "My contacts" page by page (there are thousands) and then they are visible in Claws. But this is very tedious and if there is an update in corporative contacts (add or delete), is not reflected in "My contacts".

Do you know why this is happening and how could be fixed? Thanks in advance.

Despite this problem I think the plugin is a great job and necessary for real work with Gmail accounts.

The version of Claws and plugins I'm using is: 3.14.1 under GNU/Linux (Debian).


Regards
Enrique Bosch


From codejodler at gmx.ch  Thu May 18 18:47:41 2017
From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Micha)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 18:47:41 +0200
Subject: [Users] IMAP and attachments
Message-ID: <20170518184741.4484258a@lynx.lan2>


I have to admit i don't know how IMAP deals with attachments. 

Let's say i save a draft with huge attachment, then is it also saved to some local cache too ? So that if i'm going to work on it again another day, i don't need to download the attachments again ?
 
But isn't that contradicting the idea of IMAP, when i could have modified the draft meanwhile from another machine, so it really needs ot be downloaded again ?

But can i configure or chose that behavior somehow ? Because i'm often on the road with rather low mobile bandwidth.

For example, i tried this:

With IMAP, i configured claws drafts to be saved in a local folder, instead of the IMAP mailbox, because of the the auto-save behavior. Let's say, i'm working on a draft and attach some huge files (which i do very often; 'huge' is 10 - 30M for me). Then at some point, that draft is saved automagically, and the slow upload of the attachments blocks me from going on with the mail work.
(There are some more things or cases when mails basically could be saved local, too.)

Is that an advised way of doing things, or could someone please enlighten me how to avoid my problems in the first place. is IMAP simply not meant or equipped for low bandwidth conditions ?











From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May 19 05:08:41 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 03:08:41 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3824] New: Claws is treating attachments as if they
	were email
Message-ID: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

            Bug ID: 3824
           Summary: Claws is treating attachments as if they were email
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: other
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: major
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: lbickley at bickleywest.com

version 3.15.0git17
GTK+ 2.24.31 / GLib 2.48.2
Locale: en_US.UTF-8 (charset: UTF-8)
Operating System: Linux 4.4.62-18.6-default (x86_64)



I attached a text file containing the following Python TensorFlow test program:
-------------------------------------------------
>>> import tensorflow as tf
>>> hello = tf.constant('Hello, TensorFlow')
>>> sess = tf.Session()
>>> print(sess.run(hello))
'Hello, TensorFlow'
-------------------------------------------------
What was actually sent was:

[...]
'Hello, TensorFlow'
-------------------------------------------------

Bug: Claws is incorrectly scanning text attachments and treating them as email
thereby assuming that embedded ">" are versions of email to be bracketed.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May 19 09:18:52 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 07:18:52 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3824] Claws is treating attachments as if they were
	email
In-Reply-To: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3824-595-a3qfIxC0wm@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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           Severity|major                       |normal

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
In order to help understand what you are describing, please attach an example
message file.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May 19 16:23:53 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 14:23:53 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3824] Claws is treating attachments as if they were
	email
In-Reply-To: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3824-595-5gGQjaAbgX@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

--- Comment #2 from lbickley <lbickley at bickleywest.com> ---
Created attachment 1750
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1750&action=edit
Attachment that got modified on being sent

When I sent this text as an attachment - the tensorflow lines with >>> got
modified to [...]

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May 19 16:28:33 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 14:28:33 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3824] Claws is treating attachments as if they were
	email
In-Reply-To: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3824-595-ouf0ZTAvvg@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

--- Comment #3 from lbickley <lbickley at bickleywest.com> ---
Created attachment 1751
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1751&action=edit
Same as txt file - but zipped

Here's a ZIP of the previously attached TXT file...

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May 19 16:51:44 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 14:51:44 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3824] Claws is treating attachments as if they were
	email
In-Reply-To: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3824-595-xRcgdrg23m@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

--- Comment #4 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
The attachments are the file you attached, what I want to see is the whole
message file.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May 19 16:52:43 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 14:52:43 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3824] Claws is treating attachments as if they were
	email
In-Reply-To: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3824-595-mokS9EcarL@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

--- Comment #5 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
The content of attachment 1751 has been deleted by
    Paul <paul at claws-mail.org>
who provided the following reason:

same as other attachment, but zipped

The token used to delete this attachment was generated at 2017-05-19 16:52:19
CEST.

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From liste at secarica.ro  Fri May 19 17:15:19 2017
From: liste at secarica.ro (Cristian =?UTF-8?Q?Secar=C4=83?=)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 18:15:19 +0300
Subject: [Users] remove gray strips on folder list
In-Reply-To: <20170511001857.6e632ece80dc1c6144c484f0@secarica.ro>
References: <20170509181038.ac46f828a13c71bbc82139af@secarica.ro>
 <20170509171653.0c912989@anthra>
 <20170511001857.6e632ece80dc1c6144c484f0@secarica.ro>
Message-ID: <20170519181519.0000617a@secarica.ro>

În data de Thu, 11 May 2017 00:18:57 +0300, Cristian Secară a scris:

> > and eventually:
> >  stripes_color_offset  
> 
> [...] playing with the color ofset resulted in a reduced (light)
> contrast for overall stripes – which is better than previous.

This works ok for the application main window, but the receiving dialog
(if enabled) does not follow that setting.

Cristi

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From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Fri May 19 17:47:16 2017
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 08:47:16 -0700
Subject: [Users] Changelog?
Message-ID: <20170519084636.6250456f@frogguski.911networks.com>

CM 3.15,

Just upgraded recently and there are new things! I was googling for
the changelog. I haven't found it.

Any link?

I'd like to look at the las few changelogs.

Thank you

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May 19 17:52:15 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 16:52:15 +0100
Subject: [Users] Changelog?
In-Reply-To: <20170519084636.6250456f@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20170519084636.6250456f@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20170519165215.57cc7376@kujata>

On Fri, 19 May 2017 08:47:16 -0700
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: 

> Just upgraded recently and there are new things! I was googling for
> the changelog. I haven't found it.
> 
> Any link?

There is a link to News on every page of the web site:
http://www.claws-mail.org/news.php

with regards

Paul


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Fri May 19 18:02:14 2017
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:02:14 +0100
Subject: [Users] Changelog?
In-Reply-To: <20170519084636.6250456f@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20170519084636.6250456f@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20170519165541.28f318a1@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Fri, 19 May 2017 08:47:16 -0700
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:

Hello sylpheed at 911networks.com,

>I'd like to look at the las few changelogs.

They're all posted to this list.  You can search for them in the
archives.

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From andrej at kacian.sk  Fri May 19 18:06:03 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 18:06:03 +0200
Subject: [Users] Changelog?
In-Reply-To: <20170519165541.28f318a1@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20170519084636.6250456f@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170519165541.28f318a1@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20170519180603.761dbf2c@penny>

On Fri, 19 May 2017 17:02:14 +0100
Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 19 May 2017 08:47:16 -0700
> sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:
> 
> Hello sylpheed at 911networks.com,
> 
> >I'd like to look at the las few changelogs.  
> 
> They're all posted to this list.  You can search for them in the
> archives.
> 

Or you can look at a page with all of them listed. :)

http://www.claws-mail.org/NEWS

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From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Fri May 19 18:26:16 2017
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 09:26:16 -0700
Subject: [Users] Changelog?
In-Reply-To: <20170519180603.761dbf2c@penny>
References: <20170519084636.6250456f@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170519165541.28f318a1@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20170519180603.761dbf2c@penny>
Message-ID: <20170519092616.6552d7e9@frogguski.911networks.com>

On Fri, 19 May 2017 18:06:03 +0200
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

>
>Or you can look at a page with all of them listed. :)
>
>http://www.claws-mail.org/NEWS

I saw news on google, but I didn't realized that news = changelog

Thank you

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vyS


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Fri May 19 18:38:08 2017
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:38:08 +0100
Subject: [Users] Changelog?
In-Reply-To: <20170519180603.761dbf2c@penny>
References: <20170519084636.6250456f@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170519165541.28f318a1@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20170519180603.761dbf2c@penny>
Message-ID: <20170519173706.3fd82592@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Fri, 19 May 2017 18:06:03 +0200
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

Hello Andrej,

>Or you can look at a page with all of them listed. :)

Thanks;  I haven't visited the CM web site in a long time (no need), so
I forget what's there.

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From jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org  Fri May 19 21:38:49 2017
From: jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org (Jeremy Nicoll)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 20:38:49 +0100
Subject: [Users] Error(?) messages in claws-win32.log
Message-ID: <1495222729.3438508.982426448.3CF6548B@webmail.messagingengine.com>

A few days ago I installed the 32-bit windows build:
claws-mail-3.15.0-1-32bit.exe
on my 64-bit Win8.1 system.

My first intention is to use it just for reasing some newsgroups, so
when the initial
wizard asked various questions about mail settings at their default
(nonsense) 
values.  When the application itself opened its main window I glanced at
it & then 
shut it down.

Since then although I've browsed through the various settings files,
I've not tried
to start it again.

In my %TEMP% folder, I found a: claws-win32.log  file containing five
lines of text.
Line 1 contained:

C:\Users\DayToDay01\AppData\Roaming\Claws-mail\clawsrc:
../../../claws-mail-3.15.0/src/common/xml.c:156 Condition file != NULL
failed 

(all on one line).    Line 2 was empty.    Line 3 had:

../../../claws-mail-3.15.0/src/common/xml.c:636 Condition node != NULL
failed

Line 4 was empty.    Line 5 had: 

C:\Users\DayToDay01\AppData\Roaming\Claws-mail\clawsrc:


Are these errors, if they are errors, expected?

For a log file, I expected to see timestamps at the start of the lines. 
Without them 
I was unable to tell if the lines had been created while I was running
through the 
Q&A at the start, trying to decide what to answer (and making notes), or
after the 
application itself started... or perhaps even as it shut down.

It also seemed odd to me that there's blank lines between the detailed
lines, and 
odd that some lines seem to start with 

   C:\Users\DayToDay01\AppData\Roaming\Claws-mail\clawsrc: 

but not all of them.  Is this normal too?


Also, are lines in:   claws-win32.log     something I should check after
each run of the
program, or are they ignorable?

-- 
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From ricardo at mones.org  Fri May 19 21:57:49 2017
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 21:57:49 +0200
Subject: [Users] Changelog?
In-Reply-To: <20170519092616.6552d7e9@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20170519084636.6250456f@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170519165541.28f318a1@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20170519180603.761dbf2c@penny>
 <20170519092616.6552d7e9@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20170519195749.knbzjsjailktpj4q@curuxu>

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 09:26:16AM -0700, sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:
> On Fri, 19 May 2017 18:06:03 +0200
> Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:
> 
> >
> >Or you can look at a page with all of them listed. :)
> >
> >http://www.claws-mail.org/NEWS
> 
> I saw news on google, but I didn't realized that news = changelog

It isn't, but gives you a nice summary of, hopefully, all the changes.

If you want the full changelog you need to run “git log” in a git clone
or read it online: http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=shortlog

regards,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  I'm sorry, my responses are limited. You must ask the right 
  questions.                                               A hologram

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From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Sat May 20 02:35:23 2017
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:35:23 -0700
Subject: [Users] HTML emails
Message-ID: <20170519173523.76f71d65@frogguski.911networks.com>

CM 3.15.

1. I'm not trying to revive the controversy of creating/sending HTML
emails

2. I'd like to know what's the better of viewing HTML emails since
fancy is gone.

Currently, I have dillo loaded but it only "kind of works". Fonts are
small and can't enlarge them on the fly. Often some the images either
do not load or are so distorted...

-- 
sknahT

vyS


From johnxj at gmx.com  Sat May 20 03:12:45 2017
From: johnxj at gmx.com (John Jason Jordan)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 18:12:45 -0700
Subject: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy
Message-ID: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>

Claws Mail 3.11.1 from the repositories on Xubuntu 14.04, up to date.

I have had a Gmail account for many years, and I have been using Claws
Mail on Linux since Ubuntu Breezy Badger was the latest and greatest
release (can it really have been that long?). I have always used POP3
with my Gmail account and lately it has become a major pain. Here is a
section of the log from a recent attempt to connect:

* Account 'Gmail': Connecting to POP3 server: pop.gmail.com:995...
[17:26:42] IMAP4> 634 NOOP 
[17:26:42] IMAP4< 634 OK Success 
[17:27:42] IMAP4> 635 NOOP 
[17:27:42] IMAP4< 635 OK Success 
** Session timed out. You may be able to recover by increasing the
  timeout value in Preferences/Other/Miscellaneous. [17:28:42] IMAP4>
  636 NOOP [17:28:42] IMAP4< 636 OK Success 
[17:29:42] IMAP4> 637 NOOP 
[17:29:42] IMAP4< 637 OK Success 
[17:30:42] IMAP4> 638 NOOP 
[17:30:42] IMAP4< 638 OK Success 
[17:31:42] IMAP4> 639 NOOP 
[17:31:42] IMAP4< 639 OK Success 
[17:32:42] IMAP4> 640 NOOP 
[17:32:42] IMAP4< 640 OK Success 
[17:33:42] IMAP4> 641 NOOP 
[17:33:42] IMAP4< 641 OK Success 
[17:34:42] IMAP4> 642 NOOP 
[17:34:42] IMAP4< 642 OK Success 
[17:35:42] IMAP4> 643 NOOP 
[17:35:42] IMAP4< 643 OK Success 
[17:36:42] IMAP4> 644 NOOP 
[17:36:42] IMAP4< 644 OK Success 
[17:37:42] IMAP4> 645 NOOP 
[17:37:42] IMAP4< 645 OK Success 
[17:38:42] IMAP4> 646 NOOP 
[17:38:42] IMAP4< 646 OK Success 

I have the timeout set to 2 minutes, which is when the Retrieving New
Messages window disappears, yet strangely, while watching the log
window new attempts continue (see above, starting at 17:26:42, timeout
at 17:28:42 (window disappears), and new attempts until 17:38:42). I
know little about how e-mail works, so I have questions:

Why does the log show continuing attempts after the timeout is reached?

What does NOOP mean? 

Why does it say OK Success when clearly it has not been successful? (At
the time of the above attempt logging into the account with Firefox
showed four messages in the Inbox.)

Why does the above log say IMAP4 when the account is set up with POP3?

I have been using this Gmail account for many years so it is used for a
lot of places (PayPal, my health insurance, etc.) - so changing to
another e-mail service would be a pain, but maybe it's time to kiss
Gmail goodbye. Should I bite the bullet? Any suggestions for
alternatives? Or another idea - can I set up an e-mail account
someplace that is easier to connect to and then have Google just
forward all mail?

All observations and suggestions welcome!


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat May 20 04:06:32 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 02:06:32 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3824] Claws is treating attachments as if they were
	email
In-Reply-To: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3824-595-qZA9rTqXA4@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

--- Comment #6 from lbickley <lbickley at bickleywest.com> ---
Hi Paul,

An easy test would be to email the attachment (unzipped as txt) to yourself.
You'll see the bug right away. You can look in your "send" folder or wait until
you receive it. It will be obvious.

Cheers,
Lyle

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From lists at lazygranch.com  Sat May 20 04:36:14 2017
From: lists at lazygranch.com (lists at lazygranch.com)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 19:36:14 -0700
Subject: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy
In-Reply-To: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
References: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
Message-ID: <20170520023614.5742678.50103.28930@lazygranch.com>

With advanced settings, you could tell claws you want imap on the pop3 port. That is I'm guessing your set up is wrong. 

The email server won't change protocols on a port. That is a pop port won't decide to go imap. Your client on the other is does whatever you instruct it to do.

  Original Message  
From: John Jason Jordan
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 6:13 PM
To: Claws Mail
Subject: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy

Claws Mail 3.11.1 from the repositories on Xubuntu 14.04, up to date.

I have had a Gmail account for many years, and I have been using Claws
Mail on Linux since Ubuntu Breezy Badger was the latest and greatest
release (can it really have been that long?). I have always used POP3
with my Gmail account and lately it has become a major pain. Here is a
section of the log from a recent attempt to connect:

* Account 'Gmail': Connecting to POP3 server: pop.gmail.com:995...
[17:26:42] IMAP4> 634 NOOP 
[17:26:42] IMAP4< 634 OK Success 
[17:27:42] IMAP4> 635 NOOP 
[17:27:42] IMAP4< 635 OK Success 
** Session timed out. You may be able to recover by increasing the
timeout value in Preferences/Other/Miscellaneous. [17:28:42] IMAP4>
636 NOOP [17:28:42] IMAP4< 636 OK Success 
[17:29:42] IMAP4> 637 NOOP 
[17:29:42] IMAP4< 637 OK Success 
[17:30:42] IMAP4> 638 NOOP 
[17:30:42] IMAP4< 638 OK Success 
[17:31:42] IMAP4> 639 NOOP 
[17:31:42] IMAP4< 639 OK Success 
[17:32:42] IMAP4> 640 NOOP 
[17:32:42] IMAP4< 640 OK Success 
[17:33:42] IMAP4> 641 NOOP 
[17:33:42] IMAP4< 641 OK Success 
[17:34:42] IMAP4> 642 NOOP 
[17:34:42] IMAP4< 642 OK Success 
[17:35:42] IMAP4> 643 NOOP 
[17:35:42] IMAP4< 643 OK Success 
[17:36:42] IMAP4> 644 NOOP 
[17:36:42] IMAP4< 644 OK Success 
[17:37:42] IMAP4> 645 NOOP 
[17:37:42] IMAP4< 645 OK Success 
[17:38:42] IMAP4> 646 NOOP 
[17:38:42] IMAP4< 646 OK Success 

I have the timeout set to 2 minutes, which is when the Retrieving New
Messages window disappears, yet strangely, while watching the log
window new attempts continue (see above, starting at 17:26:42, timeout
at 17:28:42 (window disappears), and new attempts until 17:38:42). I
know little about how e-mail works, so I have questions:

Why does the log show continuing attempts after the timeout is reached?

What does NOOP mean? 

Why does it say OK Success when clearly it has not been successful? (At
the time of the above attempt logging into the account with Firefox
showed four messages in the Inbox.)

Why does the above log say IMAP4 when the account is set up with POP3?

I have been using this Gmail account for many years so it is used for a
lot of places (PayPal, my health insurance, etc.) - so changing to
another e-mail service would be a pain, but maybe it's time to kiss
Gmail goodbye. Should I bite the bullet? Any suggestions for
alternatives? Or another idea - can I set up an e-mail account
someplace that is easier to connect to and then have Google just
forward all mail?

All observations and suggestions welcome!
_______________________________________________
Users mailing list
Users at lists.claws-mail.org
http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users


From peter777 at users.sourceforge.net  Sat May 20 04:44:10 2017
From: peter777 at users.sourceforge.net (Peter Richards)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 12:44:10 +1000
Subject: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy
In-Reply-To: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
References: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
Message-ID: <20170520124410.673a48aa@peter-asus64>

On Fri, 19 May 2017 18:12:45 -0700
John Jason Jordan <johnxj at gmx.com> wrote:

> Claws Mail 3.11.1 from the repositories on Xubuntu 14.04, up to date.

Running Kubuntu 16.02.1 here

> Why does the log show continuing attempts after the timeout is
> reached?
> 
> What does NOOP mean? 

From
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18492681/what-is-the-smtp-noop-command-used-for

"The simplest of these commands is NOOP, useful mostly in testing to
avoid timeouts; it does nothing and can generate only a successful
response, with no change in state..."

Have you tried setting up another account on Claws, to access the
GMail. My GMail wouldn't POP3 until I adjusted a setting within GMail.
Something like allowing 'less secure' apps or similar ??

Peter


From johnxj at gmx.com  Sat May 20 08:41:43 2017
From: johnxj at gmx.com (John Jason Jordan)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 23:41:43 -0700
Subject: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy
In-Reply-To: <20170520124410.673a48aa@peter-asus64>
References: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
 <20170520124410.673a48aa@peter-asus64>
Message-ID: <20170519234143.0b150f53@Devil-Bonobo>

On Sat, 20 May 2017 12:44:10 +1000
Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> dijo:

>From
>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18492681/what-is-the-smtp-noop-command-used-for
>
>"The simplest of these commands is NOOP, useful mostly in testing to
>avoid timeouts; it does nothing and can generate only a successful
>response, with no change in state..."

Sorry, I understood almost nothing of that web page. :(

>Have you tried setting up another account on Claws, to access the
>GMail. My GMail wouldn't POP3 until I adjusted a setting within GMail.
>Something like allowing 'less secure' apps or similar ??

Interesting idea. I just did so using the standard settings. Attempting
to get messages resulted in a quick flash of the screen, way to fast to
read anything that Claws Mail might have tried to announce. No new
messages were retrieved, there are still 4 in the Inbox (via Firefox),
and the log shows the same results as what I posted with my original
post above - lots of NOOP and Success announcements, amounting to
nothing.

I really think it's time to abandon Gmail. Life is too short to put up
with this hassle.


From lists at lazygranch.com  Sat May 20 09:33:14 2017
From: lists at lazygranch.com (lists at lazygranch.com)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 00:33:14 -0700
Subject: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy
In-Reply-To: <20170519234143.0b150f53@Devil-Bonobo>
References: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
 <20170520124410.673a48aa@peter-asus64>
 <20170519234143.0b150f53@Devil-Bonobo>
Message-ID: <20170520073314.5742678.3160.28939@lazygranch.com>

I run my own mail server, so I am not a user of gmail. I do have a few accounts because Google forces you to get an account with Android and if you run a webserver. 

That said, I like Gmail based on what I read in the headers. They use DKIM, so you can be assured the email hasn't been altered in transit. 

While I prefer an email client for security reasons, that is I don't trust browsers, I will say that gmail webmail is very good. They check both DKIM‎ and SPF, so it is unlikely you will be fooled by a forged email header.  Since I rarely use Gmail, I just use the browser. 

I gather that the Gmail apps you mention relative to less security probably means no security. I would not use any email that doesn't use TLS. Your password will be sent in the clear and easily intercepted on public wifi or even a LAN at work by that dude who always wears a hoodie. 

Lastly in 2017, you ought to be imap, preferably starttls. These days everyone has a phone and a laptop/desktop. Imap is a cloud service of sorts. Your draft messages will by synced on all your devices, as well as your sent messages. This comes in handy when say you sent something from your desktop and then you need it later when all you have is your phone. 

At one time I was using claws for imap and then using Thunderbird to download the mail later as pop3. That is, take it off the server. But I like how you can add a folder to claws to stuff saved email. Now I dumped Tbird and just save important messages with claws.  You can delete multiple messages at once in claws.

Gmail ports are here:
https://developers.google.com/gmail/imap/imap-smtp

I would say send email using starttls on 587. All this stuff is kind of nuanced, but you really should not be using port 465. So that would be 
stmp.google.com on 587 with starttls.

Download your email on 993. That would be 
imap.gmail.com port 993 ssl/tls. In reality, it will be TLS since SSL is deprecated due to the poodle exploit.

Set up the account and use the Claws "build tree" option if needed.

I've got this love/hate thing going with Google. I hate how they spy on me. However when Google really wants to do something, they do it right. Incidentally Google pays half the salary of the maintainer for the open source program Postfix, which is a critical piece of the email puzzle.

  Original Message  
From: John Jason Jordan
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 11:42 PM
To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
Subject: Re: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy

On Sat, 20 May 2017 12:44:10 +1000
Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> dijo:

>From
>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18492681/what-is-the-smtp-noop-command-used-for
>
>"The simplest of these commands is NOOP, useful mostly in testing to
>avoid timeouts; it does nothing and can generate only a successful
>response, with no change in state..."

Sorry, I understood almost nothing of that web page. :(

>Have you tried setting up another account on Claws, to access the
>GMail. My GMail wouldn't POP3 until I adjusted a setting within GMail.
>Something like allowing 'less secure' apps or similar ??

Interesting idea. I just did so using the standard settings. Attempting
to get messages resulted in a quick flash of the screen, way to fast to
read anything that Claws Mail might have tried to announce. No new
messages were retrieved, there are still 4 in the Inbox (via Firefox),
and the log shows the same results as what I posted with my original
post above - lots of NOOP and Success announcements, amounting to
nothing.

I really think it's time to abandon Gmail. Life is too short to put up
with this hassle.
_______________________________________________
Users mailing list
Users at lists.claws-mail.org
http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users


From jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org  Sat May 20 11:05:06 2017
From: jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org (Jeremy Nicoll)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 10:05:06 +0100
Subject: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy
In-Reply-To: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
References: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
Message-ID: <1495271106.3635684.982852792.3BB47087@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Sat, 20 May 2017, at 02:12, John Jason Jordan wrote:
> Claws Mail 3.11.1 from the repositories on Xubuntu 14.04, up to date.
> 
> I have had a Gmail account for many years, and I have been using Claws
> Mail on Linux since Ubuntu Breezy Badger was the latest and greatest
> release (can it really have been that long?). I have always used POP3
> with my Gmail account and lately it has become a major pain. Here is a
> section of the log from a recent attempt to connect:

How long ago did connecting to this account last work properly?


> * Account 'Gmail': Connecting to POP3 server: pop.gmail.com:995...
> [17:26:42] IMAP4> 634 NOOP 
> [17:26:42] IMAP4< 634 OK Success 
> [17:27:42] IMAP4> 635 NOOP 
> [17:27:42] IMAP4< 635 OK Success 
> ** Session timed out. You may be able to recover by increasing the
>   timeout value in Preferences/Other/Miscellaneous. [17:28:42] IMAP4>
>   636 NOOP [17:28:42] IMAP4< 636 OK Success 
> [17:29:42] IMAP4> 637 NOOP 
> [17:29:42] IMAP4< 637 OK Success 
> [17:30:42] IMAP4> 638 NOOP 
> [17:30:42] IMAP4< 638 OK Success 
> [17:31:42] IMAP4> 639 NOOP 
> [17:31:42] IMAP4< 639 OK Success 
> [17:32:42] IMAP4> 640 NOOP 
> [17:32:42] IMAP4< 640 OK Success 
> [17:33:42] IMAP4> 641 NOOP 
> [17:33:42] IMAP4< 641 OK Success 
> [17:34:42] IMAP4> 642 NOOP 
> [17:34:42] IMAP4< 642 OK Success 
> [17:35:42] IMAP4> 643 NOOP 
> [17:35:42] IMAP4< 643 OK Success 
> [17:36:42] IMAP4> 644 NOOP 
> [17:36:42] IMAP4< 644 OK Success 
> [17:37:42] IMAP4> 645 NOOP 
> [17:37:42] IMAP4< 645 OK Success 
> [17:38:42] IMAP4> 646 NOOP 
> [17:38:42] IMAP4< 646 OK Success 
> 
> I have the timeout set to 2 minutes, which is when the Retrieving New
> Messages window disappears, yet strangely, while watching the log
> window new attempts continue (see above, starting at 17:26:42, timeout
> at 17:28:42 (window disappears), and new attempts until 17:38:42). I
> know little about how e-mail works, so I have questions:
> 
> Why does the log show continuing attempts after the timeout is reached?
> 
> What does NOOP mean? 
> 
> Why does it say OK Success when clearly it has not been successful?

A log file like that shows commands that are being sent to a server
somewhere,
and the responses that the server makes to those commands.  I /think/
that
you're seeing Claws sending the "NOOP" command to a Gmail server, and
the 
Gmail server saying "OK" ... as in "OK, I got your command".

NOOP will be "no operation" ie "no op".   This looks to me like Claws
sending 
essentially a dummy command to Gmail once per minute, so that Gmail sees 
that the session with you is still doing something and doesn't
disconnect you.
On the other hand, if that's correct, the fact that you did get
timed-out suggests
that the Gmail server is clever enough not to be tricked this way.

A normal POP3 login would show a server saying something like:

here I am, what do you want to do?

Then your email client saying I'm User such-and-such

Then the server saying, OK, I got that, then your email client saying
here's my password
and the server would acknowledge that, and so on.

The client (Claws) waits after each command it sends for the server to
say that was ok, or
alternatively to send some sort of error message.



> Why does the above log say IMAP4 when the account is set up with POP3?

Maybe Gmail have removed their POP3 service?  Or maybe it's now on a
different
server or a different port?  Do you have it defined as described here:

 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7104828?hl=en



-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat May 20 11:08:05 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 10:08:05 +0100
Subject: [Users] HTML emails
In-Reply-To: <20170519173523.76f71d65@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20170519173523.76f71d65@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20170520100805.0e14731e@kujata>

On Fri, 19 May 2017 17:35:23 -0700
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: 

> 2. I'd like to know what's the better of viewing HTML emails since
> fancy is gone.
> 
> Currently, I have dillo loaded but it only "kind of works". Fonts
> are small and can't enlarge them on the fly. Often some the images
> either do not load or are so distorted...

The Fancy plugin has not gone. It was included in the last release.
The Dillo plugin was not included in the last release, as Dillo does
not allow blocking remote content and other such concerns.

Dillo can be configured by its preferences page, ~/.dillo/dillorc.
Here is what looks like a good example of its settings:
http://samiam.org/software/dillo/dillorc

with regards

Paul


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat May 20 11:18:16 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 10:18:16 +0100
Subject: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy
In-Reply-To: <20170520073314.5742678.3160.28939@lazygranch.com>
References: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
 <20170520124410.673a48aa@peter-asus64>
 <20170519234143.0b150f53@Devil-Bonobo>
 <20170520073314.5742678.3160.28939@lazygranch.com>
Message-ID: <20170520101816.468b20df@kujata>

On Sat, 20 May 2017 00:33:14 -0700
lists at lazygranch.com wrote: 

> Lastly in 2017, you ought to be imap

There is nothing to support that statement! :)

with regards

Paul


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat May 20 11:30:11 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 10:30:11 +0100
Subject: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy
In-Reply-To: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
References: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
Message-ID: <20170520103011.37b26c2c@kujata>

On Fri, 19 May 2017 18:12:45 -0700
John Jason Jordan <johnxj at gmx.com> wrote: 

> Why does the above log say IMAP4 when the account is set up with
> POP3?

You have upgraded Claws Mail and then afterwards downgraded it. This
would not normally be a problem but you've gone from a newer version
of Claws Mail which uses different protocol numbers internally and
then back to an older version.

In order to fix your problem, quit Claws Mail, open
~/.claws-mail/accountrc in a text editor, locate the line 'protocol'
line for your account block, and change it from 1 to 0 for a pop
account:

protocol=0

Restart Claws Mail and your pop account will be functioning properly
again.

with regards

Paul


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat May 20 11:34:37 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 09:34:37 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3824] Claws is treating attachments as if they were
	email
In-Reply-To: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3824-595-yGuQBZqIp0@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #7 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
Works fine here. I think you have probably inserted the file rather than
attached it. If you attach your message file to this bug item then that could
be determined for certain, I think.

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From obsazeny.cz at volny.cz  Sat May 20 11:51:49 2017
From: obsazeny.cz at volny.cz (obsazeny.cz at volny.cz)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 11:51:49 +0200
Subject: [Users] =?utf-8?q?lubuntu_upgrade_to_3=2E15_causes_sigserv?=
Message-ID: <20170520115149.3674B8A7@volny.cz>

Hello,
 
I have downloaded new CM 3.15.x for lubuntu, did configure/make/make install and got this error message. Any idea what is wrong?
 
Daniel
 
dan at dan-pavilion:~$ claws-mail 

(claws-mail:3753): Claws-Mail-CRITICAL **: imap_item_get_path: assertion 'folder_path != NULL' failed
folder.c:3967 Condition path != NULL failed
traceback:
0:    claws-mail() [0x80cc768]
1:    claws-mail() [0x80cf69a]
2:    claws-mail(folder_item_get_msg_list+0x47) [0x80cff37]
3:    claws-mail() [0x80d93b0]
4:    claws-mail() [0x80d9a71]
5:    claws-mail(gtk_sctree_insert_gnode+0x155) [0x8295f85]
6:    claws-mail(gtk_sctree_insert_gnode+0x233) [0x8296063]
7:    claws-mail(folderview_set+0x327) [0x80dc087]
8:    claws-mail() [0x80dc1d8]
9:    claws-mail() [0x8232101]
10:    /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_hook_list_marshal+0x8a) [0xb6ca9bfa]
11:    claws-mail(hooks_invoke+0x62) [0x8232872]
12:    claws-mail(folder_add+0x96) [0x80c9e46]
13:    claws-mail(folder_read_list+0x68) [0x80cdaf8]
14:    claws-mail(main+0xc71) [0x8081d71]
15:    /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xf3) [0xb6914af3]
16:    claws-mail() [0x8083b92]


(claws-mail:3753): Claws-Mail-CRITICAL **: imap_item_get_path: assertion 'folder_path != NULL' failed
folder.c:3991 Condition path != NULL failed
traceback:
0:    claws-mail() [0x80cca18]
1:    claws-mail() [0x80cf6a3]
2:    claws-mail(folder_item_get_msg_list+0x47) [0x80cff37]
3:    claws-mail() [0x80d93b0]
4:    claws-mail() [0x80d9a71]
5:    claws-mail(gtk_sctree_insert_gnode+0x155) [0x8295f85]
6:    claws-mail(gtk_sctree_insert_gnode+0x233) [0x8296063]
7:    claws-mail(folderview_set+0x327) [0x80dc087]
8:    claws-mail() [0x80dc1d8]
9:    claws-mail() [0x8232101]
10:    /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_hook_list_marshal+0x8a) [0xb6ca9bfa]
11:    claws-mail(hooks_invoke+0x62) [0x8232872]
12:    claws-mail(folder_add+0x96) [0x80c9e46]
13:    claws-mail(folder_read_list+0x68) [0x80cdaf8]
14:    claws-mail(main+0xc71) [0x8081d71]
15:    /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xf3) [0xb6914af3]
16:    claws-mail() [0x8083b92]

msgcache.c:586 Condition cache_file != NULL failed
traceback:
0:    claws-mail(msgcache_read_cache+0x1010) [0x812bdb0]
1:    claws-mail() [0x80cf6bc]
2:    claws-mail(folder_item_get_msg_list+0x47) [0x80cff37]
3:    claws-mail() [0x80d93b0]
4:    claws-mail() [0x80d9a71]
5:    claws-mail(gtk_sctree_insert_gnode+0x155) [0x8295f85]
6:    claws-mail(gtk_sctree_insert_gnode+0x233) [0x8296063]
7:    claws-mail(folderview_set+0x327) [0x80dc087]
8:    claws-mail() [0x80dc1d8]
9:    claws-mail() [0x8232101]
10:    /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_hook_list_marshal+0x8a) [0xb6ca9bfa]
11:    claws-mail(hooks_invoke+0x62) [0x8232872]
12:    claws-mail(folder_add+0x96) [0x80c9e46]
13:    claws-mail(folder_read_list+0x68) [0x80cdaf8]
14:    claws-mail(main+0xc71) [0x8081d71]
15:    /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xf3) [0xb6914af3]
16:    claws-mail() [0x8083b92]


(claws-mail:3753): Claws-Mail-CRITICAL **: imap_item_get_path: assertion 'folder_path != NULL' failed
Neoprávněný přístup do paměti (SIGSEGV) (core dumped [obraz paměti uložen])


 
 


From joebug at ouvaton.org  Sat May 20 13:41:43 2017
From: joebug at ouvaton.org (Joebug)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 13:41:43 +0200
Subject: [Users] Problem with resent-from and resent-to fields
Message-ID: <20170520134143.42080027.joebug@ouvaton.org>


Hi,

I just received a very confusing email since neither the sender nor the
receiver were shown correctly.

The headers showed that the message was 'resent' (with 'Resent-From' and
'Resent-To' fields I do not remember having seen before holding the
correct information) using Apple mail.

Claws-Mail (v3.11.1) still using original 'From' and 'To' in message
and message list. 

Please see screenshot if this is not clear
https://framadrop.org/r/5fGhKX3ozY#H50cdI1Y39xt3R6B7zHtTGp6Adj5R/ypHJWrTUbnok4=

Is there anything I can do about this?

Thanks,

Jerome Sequier


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat May 20 13:51:14 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 12:51:14 +0100
Subject: [Users] Problem with resent-from and resent-to fields
In-Reply-To: <20170520134143.42080027.joebug@ouvaton.org>
References: <20170520134143.42080027.joebug@ouvaton.org>
Message-ID: <20170520125114.6a1acc97@kujata>

On Sat, 20 May 2017 13:41:43 +0200
Joebug <joebug at ouvaton.org> wrote: 

> I just received a very confusing email since neither the sender nor
> the receiver were shown correctly.
> 
> The headers showed that the message was 'resent' (with
> 'Resent-From' and 'Resent-To' fields I do not remember having seen
> before holding the correct information) using Apple mail.
> 
> Claws-Mail (v3.11.1) still using original 'From' and 'To' in message
> and message list. 
> 
> Please see screenshot if this is not clear
> https://framadrop.org/r/5fGhKX3ozY#H50cdI1Y39xt3R6B7zHtTGp6Adj5R/ypHJWrTUbnok4=
> 
> Is there anything I can do about this?

This is entirely normal.

If you want Claws Mail to display the Resent-From and Resent-To
headers, go to /Configuration/Preferences/Message View/Text Options,
click the 'Edit' button next to 'Display headers in message view',
and on the dialogue write in those headers in the 'Header name' field
at the top, one at a time,  and click the 'Add' button.

Alternately, you can use /View/Show All Headers.

with regards

Paul


From joebug at ouvaton.org  Sat May 20 14:12:02 2017
From: joebug at ouvaton.org (Joebug)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 14:12:02 +0200
Subject: [Users] Problem with resent-from and resent-to fields
In-Reply-To: <20170520125114.6a1acc97@kujata>
References: <20170520134143.42080027.joebug@ouvaton.org>
 <20170520125114.6a1acc97@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170520141202.12613758.joebug@ouvaton.org>

Le sam. 20 mai 2017 12:51:14 CEST, Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> a
écrit :

> On Sat, 20 May 2017 13:41:43 +0200
> Joebug <joebug at ouvaton.org> wrote: 
> 
>> I just received a very confusing email since neither the sender nor
>> the receiver were shown correctly.
>> 
>> The headers showed that the message was 'resent' (with
>> 'Resent-From' and 'Resent-To' fields I do not remember having seen
>> before holding the correct information) using Apple mail.
>> 
>> Claws-Mail (v3.11.1) still using original 'From' and 'To' in message
>> and message list. 
>> 
>> Please see screenshot if this is not clear
>> https://framadrop.org/r/5fGhKX3ozY#H50cdI1Y39xt3R6B7zHtTGp6Adj5R/ypHJWrTUbnok4=
>> 
>> Is there anything I can do about this?
>
> This is entirely normal.
> 
> If you want Claws Mail to display the Resent-From and Resent-To
> headers, go to /Configuration/Preferences/Message View/Text Options,
> click the 'Edit' button next to 'Display headers in message view',
> and on the dialogue write in those headers in the 'Header name' field
> at the top, one at a time,  and click the 'Add' button.
> 
> Alternately, you can use /View/Show All Headers.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul

Thank you for the quick answer.

So I can now add the custom headers I want to see in the mail via this
configuration option which is great, but this does not change the
behaviour of the email list which still shows the original sender where
I would prefer to see the name/email of the last person having
're-sent' (which seems to be different from Forwarding - BTW is this
'resending' new? limited to Apple mail?). 

I can't see a way of adding a custom column 'Resent-From' column which
would in any case only be partially satisfactory because of the extra
space needed. Am I missing something?

Regards,

Jérôme Séquier


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From btj at havleik.no  Sat May 20 14:31:00 2017
From: btj at havleik.no (=?UTF-8?B?QmrDuHJu?= T Johansen)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 14:31:00 +0200
Subject: [Users] HTML emails
In-Reply-To: <20170520100805.0e14731e@kujata>
References: <20170519173523.76f71d65@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170520100805.0e14731e@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170520143100.3c001080@pennywise.havleik.net>

On Sat, 20 May 2017 10:08:05 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 19 May 2017 17:35:23 -0700
> sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: 
> 
> > 2. I'd like to know what's the better of viewing HTML emails since
> > fancy is gone.
> > 
> > Currently, I have dillo loaded but it only "kind of works". Fonts
> > are small and can't enlarge them on the fly. Often some the images
> > either do not load or are so distorted...  
> 
> The Fancy plugin has not gone. It was included in the last release.
> The Dillo plugin was not included in the last release, as Dillo does
> not allow blocking remote content and other such concerns.
> 
> Dillo can be configured by its preferences page, ~/.dillo/dillorc.
> Here is what looks like a good example of its settings:
> http://samiam.org/software/dillo/dillorc
> 

There is one setting missing. Is it possible to have the dillo plugin open links in the email in an external browser instead using dillo?


BTJ


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat May 20 16:25:04 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 14:25:04 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3824] Claws is treating attachments as if they were
	email
In-Reply-To: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3824-595-HdyZL6zo6S@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

--- Comment #8 from lbickley <lbickley at bickleywest.com> ---
Created attachment 1752
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1752&action=edit
mail as requested by Paul

I see that in the "saved" email, the "/// --source---" is correct - but when I
"click" on the sent attachment to view it I get :
----

Python 3.4.5 (default, Jul 03 2016, 12:57:15) [GCC] on linux
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
 [...]  
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
NameError: name 'sess' is not defined
 [...]  
2017-05-18 19:30:22.772159: W tensorflow/core/platform/cpu_feature_guard.cc:45]
The TensorFlow library wasn't compiled to use SSE4.1 instructions, but these
are available on your machine and c

---

So the problem ("[...]" which should be "/// something") appears to be in the
DISPLAY of the attachment as opposed to the attachment itself.

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From al-clawsmail at none.at  Sat May 20 16:27:23 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 16:27:23 +0200
Subject: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy
In-Reply-To: <20170520073314.5742678.3160.28939@lazygranch.com>
References: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
 <20170520124410.673a48aa@peter-asus64>
 <20170519234143.0b150f53@Devil-Bonobo>
 <20170520073314.5742678.3160.28939@lazygranch.com>
Message-ID: <20170520162723.00000408@none.at>

Hi lists at lazygranch.com.

lists at lazygranch.com have written on Sat, 20 May 2017 00:33:14 -0700:

> I run my own mail server, so I am not a user of gmail. I do have a
> few accounts because Google forces you to get an account with Android
> and if you run a webserver. 
> 
> That said, I like Gmail based on what I read in the headers. They use
> DKIM, so you can be assured the email hasn't been altered in transit. 
> 
> While I prefer an email client for security reasons, that is I don't
> trust browsers, I will say that gmail webmail is very good. They
> check both DKIM‎ and SPF, so it is unlikely you will be fooled by a
> forged email header.  Since I rarely use Gmail, I just use the
> browser. 

But when you use claws all the day with several imap accounts you miss
a lot on gmail.

My main point against gmail an the newer mailclient like email,
trojita, outlook and the other is that they have not implemented the
Threaded view.

I really like to see who have answered whom and not that flat view crap.

> I gather that the Gmail apps you mention relative to less security
> probably means no security. I would not use any email that doesn't
> use TLS. Your password will be sent in the clear and easily
> intercepted on public wifi or even a LAN at work by that dude who
> always wears a hoodie. 
> 
> Lastly in 2017, you ought to be imap, preferably starttls. These days
> everyone has a phone and a laptop/desktop. Imap is a cloud service of
> sorts. Your draft messages will by synced on all your devices, as
> well as your sent messages. This comes in handy when say you sent
> something from your desktop and then you need it later when all you
> have is your phone. 

I fully agree with you. Even IMAP ist not the youngest protocol it's by
default a 'cloud' protocol ;-)

1994 https://tools.ietf.org/search/rfc1730
1996 https://tools.ietf.org/search/rfc2060
2003 https://tools.ietf.org/search/rfc3501

But no one was thought to use 'labels' in imap!

> At one time I was using claws for imap and then using Thunderbird to
> download the mail later as pop3. That is, take it off the server. But
> I like how you can add a folder to claws to stuff saved email. Now I
> dumped Tbird and just save important messages with claws.  You can
> delete multiple messages at once in claws.
> 
> Gmail ports are here:
> https://developers.google.com/gmail/imap/imap-smtp

The pain point there is that the
https://developers.google.com/gmail/imap/imap-extensions does not work
as described with my company account.

For example

SEARCH X-GM-LABELS foo => not implemented

That's the outcome when a webcompany tries to run good old established
protocols.

> I would say send email using starttls on 587. All this stuff is kind
> of nuanced, but you really should not be using port 465. So that
> would be stmp.google.com on 587 with starttls.
> 
> Download your email on 993. That would be 
> imap.gmail.com port 993 ssl/tls. In reality, it will be TLS since SSL
> is deprecated due to the poodle exploit.
> 
> Set up the account and use the Claws "build tree" option if needed.
> 
> I've got this love/hate thing going with Google. I hate how they spy
> on me. However when Google really wants to do something, they do it
> right.

Well I would not say this in general.

Sometimes they create new stuff, which could be good as you can see
on H2 but sometimes they just throw the current established and well
know standards and ignore the rest of the world.

> Incidentally Google pays half the salary of the maintainer for
> the open source program Postfix, which is a critical piece of the
> email puzzle.

full ack.

>   Original Message  
> From: John Jason Jordan
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 11:42 PM
> To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
> Subject: Re: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy
> 
> On Sat, 20 May 2017 12:44:10 +1000
> Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> dijo:
> 
> >From
> >http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18492681/what-is-the-smtp-noop-command-used-for
> >
> >"The simplest of these commands is NOOP, useful mostly in testing to
> >avoid timeouts; it does nothing and can generate only a successful
> >response, with no change in state..."  
> 
> Sorry, I understood almost nothing of that web page. :(
> 
> >Have you tried setting up another account on Claws, to access the
> >GMail. My GMail wouldn't POP3 until I adjusted a setting within
> >GMail. Something like allowing 'less secure' apps or similar ??  
> 
> Interesting idea. I just did so using the standard settings.
> Attempting to get messages resulted in a quick flash of the screen,
> way to fast to read anything that Claws Mail might have tried to
> announce. No new messages were retrieved, there are still 4 in the
> Inbox (via Firefox), and the log shows the same results as what I
> posted with my original post above - lots of NOOP and Success
> announcements, amounting to nothing.
> 
> I really think it's time to abandon Gmail. Life is too short to put up
> with this hassle.

+1

regards
Aleks


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat May 20 16:40:05 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 15:40:05 +0100
Subject: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy
In-Reply-To: <20170520162723.00000408@none.at>
References: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
 <20170520124410.673a48aa@peter-asus64>
 <20170519234143.0b150f53@Devil-Bonobo>
 <20170520073314.5742678.3160.28939@lazygranch.com>
 <20170520162723.00000408@none.at>
Message-ID: <20170520154005.7cecdcef@kujata>

On Sat, 20 May 2017 16:27:23 +0200
Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote: 

> But no one was thought to use 'labels' in imap!

Last time I checked a gmail account, gmail's labels are really just
folders.

with regards
 
Paul


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat May 20 16:43:08 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 15:43:08 +0100
Subject: [Users] Problem with resent-from and resent-to fields
In-Reply-To: <20170520141202.12613758.joebug@ouvaton.org>
References: <20170520134143.42080027.joebug@ouvaton.org>
 <20170520125114.6a1acc97@kujata>
 <20170520141202.12613758.joebug@ouvaton.org>
Message-ID: <20170520154308.430f44eb@kujata>

On Sat, 20 May 2017 14:12:02 +0200
Joebug <joebug at ouvaton.org> wrote: 

> BTW is this
> 'resending' new? limited to Apple mail?). 

Not all all. In Claws Mail it's called 'Redirect'.

> I can't see a way of adding a custom column 'Resent-From' column
> which would in any case only be partially satisfactory because of
> the extra space needed. Am I missing something?

You're missing nothing. You cannot add a Resent-From column to the
message list.

with regards

Paul


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat May 20 16:53:48 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 14:53:48 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3824] Claws is treating attachments as if they were
	email
In-Reply-To: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3824-595-4rETcJymwD@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

--- Comment #9 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
That appears that it might be related to the python plugin, which I do not use.
Do you have that loaded? It all works exactly as expected here.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat May 20 16:57:39 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 14:57:39 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3824] Claws is treating attachments as if they were
	email
In-Reply-To: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3824-595-whgV7aAQl9@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

--- Comment #10 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
I take that back. The bit of text you pasted is just from that file.
The '[...]' you see is because you are collpasing quotations. So, if anything,
the quotation collapser is being a bit over enthusiastic, in that it's
collapsing part of the attached text file.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat May 20 17:39:12 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 15:39:12 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3824] Claws is treating attachments as if they were
	email
In-Reply-To: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3824-595-K042auH4bX@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

--- Comment #11 from lbickley <lbickley at bickleywest.com> ---
Yes, that's what I thought "an overly aggressive quotation collapser" -
although I made the mistake of assuming what I was seeing when I viewed the
attachment was what was actually sent ;)

BTW: The only plugins I have loaded are: "Fancy HTML Viewer", "Gdata" and
"PGP/Core"

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From johnxj at gmx.com  Sat May 20 17:59:44 2017
From: johnxj at gmx.com (John Jason Jordan)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 08:59:44 -0700
Subject: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy
In-Reply-To: <20170520103011.37b26c2c@kujata>
References: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
 <20170520103011.37b26c2c@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170520085944.26178b0c@Devil-Bonobo>

On Sat, 20 May 2017 10:30:11 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> dijo:

>On Fri, 19 May 2017 18:12:45 -0700
>John Jason Jordan <johnxj at gmx.com> wrote: 
>
>> Why does the above log say IMAP4 when the account is set up with
>> POP3?
>
>You have upgraded Claws Mail and then afterwards downgraded it. This
>would not normally be a problem but you've gone from a newer version
>of Claws Mail which uses different protocol numbers internally and
>then back to an older version.
>
>In order to fix your problem, quit Claws Mail, open
>~/.claws-mail/accountrc in a text editor, locate the line 'protocol'
>line for your account block, and change it from 1 to 0 for a pop
>account:
>
>protocol=0
>
>Restart Claws Mail and your pop account will be functioning properly
>again.

First, Jeremy Nicol asked how long ago was Gmail working correctly and
I have to say that it has been about a year. But I have to add that it
has always been maddeningly erratic. For example, I have not been able
to retrieve messages for several days. The log I posted at the start of
this thread has been going on all that time. But, without touching any
of the settings or restarting Claws Mail, suddenly this morning it
correctly retrieved messages. And the log shows correctly:

* Account 'Gmail': Connecting to POP3 server: pop.gmail.com:995...
[07:54:37] POP3< +OK Gpop ready for requests from
  2602:61:78f9:8f00:15d0:8351:d13:17e8 nt20mb266172103obb [07:54:37]
  POP3> USER johnjasonj [07:54:37] POP3< +OK send PASS
[07:54:37] POP3> PASS ********
[07:54:37] POP3< +OK Welcome.
[07:54:37] POP3> STAT
[07:54:37] POP3< +OK 5 127058
[07:54:37] POP3> UIDL
[07:54:37] POP3< +OK
[07:54:37] POP3> LIST
[07:54:38] POP3< +OK 5 messages (127058 bytes)
[07:54:38] POP3> RETR 1
[07:54:38] POP3< +OK message follows
[07:54:38] POP3> DELE 1
... <etc for remaining messages>
[07:54:39] POP3> QUIT
[07:54:39] POP3< +OK Farewell.
[07:55:04] IMAP4> 1731 NOOP 
[07:55:04] IMAP4< 1731 OK Success 
... <continuing NOOP and OK Success lines>

And now to Paul's message above, I just looked at the
~/.claws-mail/accountrc file and I see that it is set to protocol=0 for
the Gmail account, and ditto for the backup accountrc file.

Note also from the above log snip of this morning's successful
message retrieval that, after the Farewell, the log went back to the
NOOP / OK Success routine. As I send this at 8:58 am am it is still
adding NOOP and OK Success lines to the log. 

It's the randomness that drives me up the wall. If something works
reliably, that's great. If something never works, then fine, let's fix
it. But if it works sometimes randomly then I sit here shaking my
head as I slowly descend into insanity. :(


From jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org  Sat May 20 18:06:14 2017
From: jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org (Jeremy Nicoll)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 17:06:14 +0100
Subject: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy
In-Reply-To: <20170520085944.26178b0c@Devil-Bonobo>
References: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
 <20170520103011.37b26c2c@kujata>
 <20170520085944.26178b0c@Devil-Bonobo>
Message-ID: <1495296374.540907.983061336.67373719@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Sat, 20 May 2017, at 16:59, John Jason Jordan wrote:

> ... <etc for remaining messages>
> [07:54:39] POP3> QUIT
> [07:54:39] POP3< +OK Farewell.
> [07:55:04] IMAP4> 1731 NOOP 
> [07:55:04] IMAP4< 1731 OK Success 
> ... <continuing NOOP and OK Success lines>

> Note also from the above log snip of this morning's successful
> message retrieval that, after the Farewell, the log went back to the
> NOOP / OK Success routine. As I send this at 8:58 am am it is still
> adding NOOP and OK Success lines to the log. 

It seems to me to be odder still that the "IMAP" literal is back in 
the messages.

Is this log file shared between all accounts, or just for this account?

-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.


From johnxj at gmx.com  Sat May 20 18:57:15 2017
From: johnxj at gmx.com (John Jason Jordan)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 09:57:15 -0700
Subject: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy
In-Reply-To: <1495296374.540907.983061336.67373719@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
 <20170520103011.37b26c2c@kujata>
 <20170520085944.26178b0c@Devil-Bonobo>
 <1495296374.540907.983061336.67373719@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <20170520095715.4fa72271@Devil-Bonobo>

On Sat, 20 May 2017 17:06:14 +0100
Jeremy Nicoll <jn.ml.clwm.729 at letterboxes.org> dijo:

>On Sat, 20 May 2017, at 16:59, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>
>> ... <etc for remaining messages>
>> [07:54:39] POP3> QUIT
>> [07:54:39] POP3< +OK Farewell.
>> [07:55:04] IMAP4> 1731 NOOP 
>> [07:55:04] IMAP4< 1731 OK Success 
>> ... <continuing NOOP and OK Success lines>
>
>> Note also from the above log snip of this morning's successful
>> message retrieval that, after the Farewell, the log went back to the
>> NOOP / OK Success routine. As I send this at 8:58 am am it is still
>> adding NOOP and OK Success lines to the log. 
>
>It seems to me to be odder still that the "IMAP" literal is back in 
>the messages.
>
>Is this log file shared between all accounts, or just for this account?

Interestingly, the NOOP / OK Success lines stopped after I sent the
above message just before 9 am. 

Yes, the log file is shared. I have four accounts:

	GMX (used for listservs like this one) POP3
	Gmail university account (IMAP4)
	Gmail (the account under discussion here) POP3
	Comcast (being phased out) POP3

The Comcast account is going away because I changed ISPs, replaced by
the GMX account. It is no longer in the Get All list.

The Gmail university account is not set to query the server except when
I click on Get All. 


From al-clawsmail at none.at  Sat May 20 19:39:39 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 19:39:39 +0200
Subject: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy
In-Reply-To: <20170520154005.7cecdcef@kujata>
References: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
 <20170520124410.673a48aa@peter-asus64>
 <20170519234143.0b150f53@Devil-Bonobo>
 <20170520073314.5742678.3160.28939@lazygranch.com>
 <20170520162723.00000408@none.at> <20170520154005.7cecdcef@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170520193939.00001dbe@none.at>

Hi Paul.

Paul have written on Sat, 20 May 2017 15:40:05 +0100:

> On Sat, 20 May 2017 16:27:23 +0200
> Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote: 
> 
> > But no one was thought to use 'labels' in imap!  
> 
> Last time I checked a gmail account, gmail's labels are really just
> folders.

Well now not anymore

http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Using_Claws_with_Gmail

> with regards
>  
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat May 20 21:17:54 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 20:17:54 +0100
Subject: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy
In-Reply-To: <20170520193939.00001dbe@none.at>
References: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
 <20170520124410.673a48aa@peter-asus64>
 <20170519234143.0b150f53@Devil-Bonobo>
 <20170520073314.5742678.3160.28939@lazygranch.com>
 <20170520162723.00000408@none.at> <20170520154005.7cecdcef@kujata>
 <20170520193939.00001dbe@none.at>
Message-ID: <20170520201754.231f0390@kujata>

On Sat, 20 May 2017 19:39:39 +0200
Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote: 

> Well now not anymore
> 
> http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Using_Claws_with_Gmail

What does that prove?

with regards

Paul


From jjhung88 at hotmail.com  Sat May 20 21:30:48 2017
From: jjhung88 at hotmail.com (Jackie Hung)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 19:30:48 +0000
Subject: [Users] program hanging
Message-ID: <BY2PR19MB0295A052B4416EF284AF1FCDDBFA0@BY2PR19MB0295.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

I have a problem with the program hanging all the time. I use windows version on a win10 machine.

I have just updated the software but still no improvement. Does anyone know how to fix this?

I have a lot of email but I am trying to put them into folders so not everything is in the inbox.


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From liste at secarica.ro  Sat May 20 21:54:08 2017
From: liste at secarica.ro (Cristian =?UTF-8?Q?Secar=C4=83?=)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 22:54:08 +0300
Subject: [Users] Gmail still driving me crazy
In-Reply-To: <20170520201754.231f0390@kujata>
References: <20170519181245.5d310be7@Devil-Bonobo>
 <20170520124410.673a48aa@peter-asus64>
 <20170519234143.0b150f53@Devil-Bonobo>
 <20170520073314.5742678.3160.28939@lazygranch.com>
 <20170520162723.00000408@none.at> <20170520154005.7cecdcef@kujata>
 <20170520193939.00001dbe@none.at> <20170520201754.231f0390@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170520225408.00007c66@secarica.ro>

În data de Sat, 20 May 2017 20:17:54 +0100, Paul a scris:

> > Well now not anymore
> > http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Using_Claws_with_Gmail  
> 
> What does that prove?

Perhaps this article could add some more info on this
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3020447/data-center-cloud/folders-and-labels-the-trick-to-organizing-gmail.html

For me at least this is not something new: the e-mail client which was
part of the old Opera browser also uses a quite similar system
(whatever it called it then, labels or whatever) on top of a relatively
complex local database.

Cristi

-- 
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http://www.secărică.ro


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat May 20 23:09:49 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 21:09:49 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3825] New: non-English tooltip day names in Calendar
 not showing for names containing diacritical marks
Message-ID: <bug-3825-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3825

            Bug ID: 3825
           Summary: non-English tooltip day names in Calendar not showing
                    for names containing diacritical marks
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail (Windows)
           Version: 3.15.0
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Windows 7
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: bugz at secarica.ro

Created attachment 1753
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1753&action=edit
tooltip snapshot for Monday

The tooltip that appears over the actual date on top of Calendar does not
display at all for the days containing diacritical marks in their names. In my
case, Romanian, the situation is as follows:

Luni - ok (see snapshot)
Marți - does not show (see snapshot)
Miercuri - ok
Joi - ok
Vineri - ok
Sâmbătă - does not show (same as snapshot for Marți)
Duminică - does not show (same as snapshot for Marți)

Apparently this has nothing to do with the Claws Mail translation, because this
happens also without the entire specific locale for Romanian (i.e. by deleting
the entire ro directory from C:\Program Files\Claws Mail\share\locale\).

(cannot check this on Linux, sorry)

Cristi

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat May 20 23:10:26 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 21:10:26 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3825] non-English tooltip day names in Calendar not
 showing for names containing diacritical marks
In-Reply-To: <bug-3825-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3825-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3825-595-z2y1VWUK7f@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3825

--- Comment #1 from Cristian Secară <bugz at secarica.ro> ---
Created attachment 1754
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun May 21 11:51:40 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 10:51:40 +0100
Subject: [Users] lubuntu upgrade to 3.15 causes sigserv
In-Reply-To: <20170520115149.3674B8A7@volny.cz>
References: <20170520115149.3674B8A7@volny.cz>
Message-ID: <20170521105140.4510b28a@kujata>

On Sat, 20 May 2017 11:51:49 +0200
<obsazeny.cz at volny.cz> wrote: 

> I have downloaded new CM 3.15.x for lubuntu, did
> configure/make/make install and got this error message. Any idea
> what is wrong?

The output of `claws-mail --debug` may offer up a few more clues.

with regards

Paul


From epodata at gmail.com  Sun May 21 16:47:48 2017
From: epodata at gmail.com (Erik P. Olsen)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 16:47:48 +0200
Subject: [Users] POP -> IMAP
Message-ID: <20170521164748.27103d14@Erik-PC.epolan.dk>

What is the proper method to convert from POP3 to IMAP4?

-- 
Erik


From peter777 at users.sourceforge.net  Mon May 22 02:43:42 2017
From: peter777 at users.sourceforge.net (Peter Richards)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 10:43:42 +1000
Subject: [Users] Messages being expunged before retrieval
Message-ID: <20170522104342.1e8b9ddc@peter-asus64>

Claws is giving the message "expunged" in the logs on a POP3
account. This has been happening for a while now, but I
assumed it was some sort of timeout problem, and the next time I did a
POP3 on that account, it will retrive the messages.

Today I checked the logs, matching the messages retrived to what was on
the server. Seems Claws is deleting messages from the server before they are retrieved.

Here are the logs today ...

########################################################
* Account '*********': Connecting to POP3 server:
mail.example.com:995... [10:03:56] POP3< +OK Dovecot ready.
[10:03:56] POP3> USER ***********@example.com
[10:03:57] POP3< +OK
[10:03:57] POP3> PASS ********
[10:03:57] POP3< +OK Logged in.
[10:03:57] POP3> STAT
[10:03:57] POP3< +OK 2 11869
[10:03:57] POP3> UIDL
[10:03:57] POP3< +OK
[10:03:57] POP3> LIST
[10:03:58] POP3< +OK 2 messages:
[10:03:58] POP3> RETR 1
[10:03:58] POP3< -ERR Message 1 expunged.
*** error occurred on POP3 session
*** Error occurred while processing mail.
################################################


Then when I tried a POP3 on that account again ..


##########################################
* Account '**********': Connecting to POP3 server:
mail.example.com:995... [10:04:08] POP3< +OK Dovecot ready.
[10:04:08] POP3> USER ***********@example.com
[10:04:08] POP3< +OK
[10:04:08] POP3> PASS ********
[10:04:08] POP3< +OK Logged in.
[10:04:08] POP3> STAT
[10:04:08] POP3< +OK 1 5077
[10:04:08] POP3> UIDL
[10:04:08] POP3< +OK
[10:04:08] POP3> LIST
[10:04:08] POP3< +OK 1 messages:
[10:04:08] POP3> RETR 1
[10:04:09] POP3< +OK 5077 octets
[10:04:09] POP3> DELE 1
[10:04:09] POP3< +OK Marked to be deleted.
[10:04:09] POP3> QUIT
[10:04:10] POP3< +OK Logging out, messages deleted.
########################################

and then I checked in Claws - only 1 msg appears.

Logged onto the account where the mail server is, and there are no
messages in .Trash or /cur or/new or /tmp

So, it does appear that Claws has been deleting messages from the mail
server, before they have been successfully downloaded.

Had a quick look through the file claws.log.bak and the first 'set'
regards that account were 26 msgs, then the 'expunged' error, then only
19 retrieved.

Regards,

Peter



From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon May 22 09:41:23 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 07:41:23 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3826] New: UI not accessible after PC wakes up from
 sleep/hibernate
Message-ID: <bug-3826-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3826

            Bug ID: 3826
           Summary: UI not accessible after PC wakes up from
                    sleep/hibernate
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail (Windows)
           Version: 3.15.0
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Windows 10
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: clawsbugzilla at mailinator.com

After the PC is woken up from sleep, the claws mail window is not accessible
unless it a close is attempted and a dialog box to attempt asking to restore
the window is answered. This seems to be happening possibly after some recent
Windows updates.

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon May 22 09:49:44 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 08:49:44 +0100
Subject: [Users] Messages being expunged before retrieval
In-Reply-To: <20170522104342.1e8b9ddc@peter-asus64>
References: <20170522104342.1e8b9ddc@peter-asus64>
Message-ID: <20170522084944.5e7c94bf@kujata>

On Mon, 22 May 2017 10:43:42 +1000
Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> wrote: 

> Today I checked the logs, matching the messages retrived to what
> was on the server. Seems Claws is deleting messages from the server
> before they are retrieved.

No, it's not. In your log messages with 'POP3>' are commands sent by
Claws Mail, log messages with 'POP3<' are responses sent by the
server.

Claws Mail asks, how may messages have you got?
> [10:03:57] POP3> STAT

Server says 2
> [10:03:57] POP3< +OK 2 11869

Claws Mail attempts to retrieve one 
> [10:03:58] POP3> RETR 1

The server says that the message is not there
> [10:03:58] POP3< -ERR Message 1 expunged.


Claws Mail retrieves a message
> [10:04:08] POP3> RETR 1

Server says ok, here it is
> [10:04:09] POP3< +OK 5077 octets

Claws Mail tells the server to delete the message Claws Mail has
received
> [10:04:09] POP3> DELE 1

Server says
> [10:04:09] POP3< +OK Marked to be deleted.

So the problem is some kind of problem on the server side and not
Claws Mail deleting messages before they are received.

with regards

Paul


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon May 22 22:20:02 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 20:20:02 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3824] Claws is treating attachments as if they were
	email
In-Reply-To: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3824-595-uellseAdni@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

--- Comment #12 from lbickley <lbickley at bickleywest.com> ---
Paul - would you please mark this as unresolved/valid - as Claws is displaying
"sent" emails incorrectly. Perhaps you/I should rename the bug to "Claws is
compressing the display of sent messages"?

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From peter777 at users.sourceforge.net  Tue May 23 04:05:37 2017
From: peter777 at users.sourceforge.net (Peter Richards)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 12:05:37 +1000
Subject: [Users] Messages being expunged before retrieval
In-Reply-To: <20170522084944.5e7c94bf@kujata>
References: <20170522104342.1e8b9ddc@peter-asus64>
 <20170522084944.5e7c94bf@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170523120537.4ba7f25f@peter-asus64>

On Mon, 22 May 2017 08:49:44 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 22 May 2017 10:43:42 +1000
> Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> wrote: 
> 
> > Today I checked the logs, matching the messages retrived to what
> > was on the server. Seems Claws is deleting messages from the server
> > before they are retrieved.  
> 
> No, it's not. In your log messages with 'POP3>' are commands sent by
> Claws Mail, log messages with 'POP3<' are responses sent by the
> server.
> 
> Claws Mail asks, how may messages have you got?
> > [10:03:57] POP3> STAT  
> 
   {snip}

Okay thanks Paul for clarifying that for me. The support person for the
mail server said it was unlikely to be a server problem. However you
have shown that it is the server doing the expunging. I _may_ have a
theory, and will test that today.

Regards,

Peter


From linux at karmasailing.uk  Tue May 23 14:14:45 2017
From: linux at karmasailing.uk (Bob Williams)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 13:14:45 +0100
Subject: [Users] Filtering stopped working
Message-ID: <20170523131445.3f4afad5@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>

I'm using CM 3.14.1 on an openSUSE Leap 42.2 system.

Filtering has worked well until about a week ago. I was away, but left my main machine running CM 24/7, so difficult to know exactly when the problem started.

I have enabled logging of filter rules. Here is an example:

Message headers:

To: opensuse at opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Asus laptop ?
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 13:52:13 +0200
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/52.1.0

Logfile entry:

[13:02:31] processing rule 'opensuse' [ subject matchcase "[opensuse]" move "#imap/Karmasailing/INBOX/Lists/opensuse" ]
[13:02:31] checking if message matches [ subject matchcase "[opensuse]" ]
> message does not match

But the message clearly *does* match that rule.

Filtering works when I do Tools > Filter all messages in folder.

How can I fix this?

Bob
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   Desktop: KDE Frameworks: 5.26.0, Qt: 5.6.1 and Plasma: 5.8.2
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue May 23 15:22:14 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 14:22:14 +0100
Subject: [Users] Filtering stopped working
In-Reply-To: <20170523131445.3f4afad5@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
References: <20170523131445.3f4afad5@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
Message-ID: <20170523142214.1361dba5@kujata>

On Tue, 23 May 2017 13:14:45 +0100
Bob Williams <linux at karmasailing.uk> wrote: 

> But the message clearly *does* match that rule.
> 
> Filtering works when I do Tools > Filter all messages in folder.
> 
> How can I fix this?

Is is an account-based filtering rule?

with regards

Paul


From linux at karmasailing.uk  Tue May 23 15:54:13 2017
From: linux at karmasailing.uk (Bob Williams)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 14:54:13 +0100
Subject: [Users] Filtering stopped working
In-Reply-To: <20170523142214.1361dba5@kujata>
References: <20170523131445.3f4afad5@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170523142214.1361dba5@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170523145413.0990f295@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>

On Tue, 23 May 2017 14:22:14 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 23 May 2017 13:14:45 +0100
> Bob Williams <linux at karmasailing.uk> wrote: 
> 
> > But the message clearly *does* match that rule.
> > 
> > Filtering works when I do Tools > Filter all messages in folder.
> > 
> > How can I fix this?  
> 
> Is is an account-based filtering rule?
> 
No, all my filters are applied to all accounts (two plus an RSSyl feed). Oddly, the filtering seems to be working again since I switched on logging. I'll report back if the problem hasn't resolved.

Bob
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue May 23 18:24:52 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 16:24:52 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3824] Claws is compressing views of attachments
In-Reply-To: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3824-595-wmgusgIjby@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

lbickley <lbickley at bickleywest.com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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            Summary|Claws is treating           |Claws is compressing views
                   |attachments as if they were |of attachments
                   |email                       |

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue May 23 18:25:56 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 16:25:56 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3824] Claws is compressing views of attachments
In-Reply-To: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3824-595-MSvr7Yi44h@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

lbickley <lbickley at bickleywest.com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
         Resolution|INVALID                     |---

--- Comment #13 from lbickley <lbickley at bickleywest.com> ---
I modified the subject line to more aptly define the bug.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue May 23 20:04:37 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 18:04:37 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3824] Quotation Folding is wrongly applied to text
	attachments
In-Reply-To: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3824-595-pKJnUwMjNc@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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            Summary|Claws is compressing views  |Quotation Folding is
                   |of attachments              |wrongly applied to text
                   |                            |attachments

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From peter777 at users.sourceforge.net  Wed May 24 03:18:34 2017
From: peter777 at users.sourceforge.net (Peter Richards)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 11:18:34 +1000
Subject: [Users] Messages being expunged before retrieval
In-Reply-To: <20170522084944.5e7c94bf@kujata>
References: <20170522104342.1e8b9ddc@peter-asus64>
 <20170522084944.5e7c94bf@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170524111834.00bf778a@peter-asus64>

Regards this problem. I don't have any rules, filters,etc, setup at
all, so I can't see that there is anything within the Claws
configuration that can affect this.

After all, it is clearly the Dovecot mailserver, that has firstly
replied with 2 messages, then when Claws requested 1 msg, the
mailserver replied that the message had been expunged.

Will running Claws in debug help at all ? I have turned on
rules,filtering logs, even though I don't have any setup, and increased
the log file size and set to full.

However, it seems to me, that it is Dovecot that needs to supply more
detail. Can the Dovecot users on this list advise if there are any
additional logging functions for Dovecot please ?

The 'conversation' , in this scenario, between Dovecot and Claws, seems
to be one of conflict. That is, Dovecot advises of 2 messages, then
when Claws requests one, Dovecot states it is expunged. There is a file
called 'dovecot-uidlist' I can see under CPanel/File Manager, with
numbers then filenames.

Possibly this is a bug with Dovecot ? I notice that file I mentioned
still has quite a few entries in it. Shouldn't that file be empty if I
have retrieved all messages for that account ?

Clutching at straws I know.  :D

Peter


From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Wed May 24 04:08:51 2017
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 19:08:51 -0700
Subject: [Users] Action within filter not working
Message-ID: <20170523190851.4b888146@frogguski.911networks.com>

CM 3.15

I have a filter:

execute "grep \"^Subject:\\ \" %f >> server-2017.txt" move "#mh/Mailbox/work/server"

* The move works
* The execute doesn't work

I created an identical action:

grep "^Subject:\ " %f >> server-2017.txt

and it works.

What am I doing wrong?

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vyS


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed May 24 08:15:00 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 07:15:00 +0100
Subject: [Users] Action within filter not working
In-Reply-To: <20170523190851.4b888146@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20170523190851.4b888146@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20170524071500.2c03e2d4@kujata>

On Tue, 23 May 2017 19:08:51 -0700
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: 

> I have a filter:
> 
> execute "grep \"^Subject:\\ \" %f >> server-2017.txt" move
> "#mh/Mailbox/work/server"
> 
> * The move works
> * The execute doesn't work
> 
> I created an identical action:
> 
> grep "^Subject:\ " %f >> server-2017.txt
> 
> and it works.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?

In Filtering the symbol '%f' means the From header.
In Actions the symbol '%f' means the selected msg file.

with regards

Paul


From linux at karmasailing.uk  Wed May 24 10:01:35 2017
From: linux at karmasailing.uk (Bob Williams)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 09:01:35 +0100
Subject: [Users] Bug [3818]
Message-ID: <20170524090135.6103c398@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>

Yesterday I upgraded Claws-Mail from 3.14.1 to 3.15.0.

On 3.14.1 I would use the keyboard spacebar when reading mail. Pressing the spacebar would scroll through the current message until the end, then move to the next unread message in the same folder. Shift+n behaved the same way, apart from not scrolling through long messages. It just moved to the next unread message in the same folder.

On 3.15.0 I find that the spacebar does not scroll through the message body, it moves the focus to the first unread message in the next folder.

This seems to be Bug [3818]. Has it been resolved? How can I get back the behaviour I had in 3.14.1?

If necessary, I can revert to using 3.14.1, but that seems retrograde, and would deprive me of other improvements in 3.15.

Bob

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed May 24 10:07:05 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 09:07:05 +0100
Subject: [Users] Bug [3818]
In-Reply-To: <20170524090135.6103c398@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
References: <20170524090135.6103c398@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
Message-ID: <20170524090705.1aaec74f@kujata>

On Wed, 24 May 2017 09:01:35 +0100
Bob Williams <linux at karmasailing.uk> wrote: 

> On 3.15.0 I find that the spacebar does not scroll through the
> message body, it moves the focus to the first unread message in the
> next folder.

Nothing changed there. The spacebar will scroll to the end of the
message body, but if you are at the end of the message already, if
there is nowhere to scroll to, then the focus will move like you say.

with regards

Paul


From linux at karmasailing.uk  Wed May 24 10:28:13 2017
From: linux at karmasailing.uk (Bob Williams)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 09:28:13 +0100
Subject: [Users] Bug [3818]
In-Reply-To: <20170524090705.1aaec74f@kujata>
References: <20170524090135.6103c398@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170524090705.1aaec74f@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170524092813.1d2df02e@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>

On Wed, 24 May 2017 09:07:05 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 24 May 2017 09:01:35 +0100
> Bob Williams <linux at karmasailing.uk> wrote: 
> 
> > On 3.15.0 I find that the spacebar does not scroll through the
> > message body, it moves the focus to the first unread message in the
> > next folder.  
> 
> Nothing changed there. The spacebar will scroll to the end of the
> message body, but if you are at the end of the message already, if
> there is nowhere to scroll to, then the focus will move like you say.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul

Thank you. Just to be clear, the spacebar is intended to jump from folder to folder, not to the next unread message in the same folder?

Regards

Bob
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed May 24 10:45:25 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 09:45:25 +0100
Subject: [Users] Bug [3818]
In-Reply-To: <20170524092813.1d2df02e@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
References: <20170524090135.6103c398@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170524090705.1aaec74f@kujata>
 <20170524092813.1d2df02e@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
Message-ID: <20170524094525.6f848f4d@kujata>

On Wed, 24 May 2017 09:28:13 +0100
Bob Williams <linux at karmasailing.uk> wrote: 

> Thank you. Just to be clear, the spacebar is intended to jump from
> folder to folder, not to the next unread message in the same folder?

It does what it is supposed to do. I don't see any problem there.

with regards

Paul


From subscript at free.fr  Wed May 24 10:58:11 2017
From: subscript at free.fr (wwp)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 10:58:11 +0200
Subject: [Users] Bug [3818]
In-Reply-To: <20170524092813.1d2df02e@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
References: <20170524090135.6103c398@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170524090705.1aaec74f@kujata>
 <20170524092813.1d2df02e@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
Message-ID: <20170524105811.132457b0@anthra>

Hi Bob,


On Wed, 24 May 2017 09:28:13 +0100 Bob Williams <linux at karmasailing.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 24 May 2017 09:07:05 +0100
> Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 24 May 2017 09:01:35 +0100
> > Bob Williams <linux at karmasailing.uk> wrote: 
> >   
> > > On 3.15.0 I find that the spacebar does not scroll through the
> > > message body, it moves the focus to the first unread message in the
> > > next folder.    
> > 
> > Nothing changed there. The spacebar will scroll to the end of the
> > message body, but if you are at the end of the message already, if
> > there is nowhere to scroll to, then the focus will move like you say.
> > 
> > with regards
> > 
> > Paul  
> 
> Thank you. Just to be clear, the spacebar is intended to jump from folder to folder, not to the next unread message in the same folder?

Once it reaches the end of an unread message (following the behaviour
your properly described), it jumps to next folder that contains unread
message according to preferences, and if there's one.


Regards,

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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Wed May 24 11:05:50 2017
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 10:05:50 +0100
Subject: [Users] Bug [3818]
In-Reply-To: <20170524092813.1d2df02e@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
References: <20170524090135.6103c398@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170524090705.1aaec74f@kujata>
 <20170524092813.1d2df02e@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
Message-ID: <20170524100550.2ea1b896@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Wed, 24 May 2017 09:28:13 +0100
Bob Williams <linux at karmasailing.uk> wrote:

Hello Bob,

>Thank you. Just to be clear, the spacebar is intended to jump from
>folder to folder, not to the next unread message in the same folder?

In this context, CM now has a very strict definition for the word
"next" (I argue that it's too strict).  Whilst well intentioned, this
definition leads to what a growing number of people consider to be odd
behaviour, esp. in regard to moving to another folder whilst there are
still unread messages in the current folder.

CM is the only MUA I know of where selecting "Go to Next unread message"
will result in no action being taken under certain circumstances, despite
there being both new & unread messages to look at.  There are workarounds
of course.

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        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
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From linux at karmasailing.uk  Wed May 24 11:09:17 2017
From: linux at karmasailing.uk (Bob Williams)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 10:09:17 +0100
Subject: [Users] Bug [3818]
In-Reply-To: <20170524094525.6f848f4d@kujata>
References: <20170524090135.6103c398@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170524090705.1aaec74f@kujata>
 <20170524092813.1d2df02e@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170524094525.6f848f4d@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170524100917.511189dd@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>

On Wed, 24 May 2017 09:45:25 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 24 May 2017 09:28:13 +0100
> Bob Williams <linux at karmasailing.uk> wrote: 
> 
> > Thank you. Just to be clear, the spacebar is intended to jump from
> > folder to folder, not to the next unread message in the same
> > folder?  
> 
> It does what it is supposed to do. I don't see any problem there.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul

That's fine. I personally prefer the behaviour I described for 3.14.1, which is the same as all the other email clients I have used over the years; Turnpike, Thunderbird, Kmail...

I shall reinstall 3.14.1 as that suits my needs better.

Many thanks for your help.

Regards

Bob



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From linux at karmasailing.uk  Wed May 24 11:18:31 2017
From: linux at karmasailing.uk (Bob Williams)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 10:18:31 +0100
Subject: [Users] Bug [3818]
In-Reply-To: <20170524105811.132457b0@anthra>
References: <20170524090135.6103c398@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170524090705.1aaec74f@kujata>
 <20170524092813.1d2df02e@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170524105811.132457b0@anthra>
Message-ID: <20170524101831.163eaa99@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>

On Wed, 24 May 2017 10:58:11 +0200
wwp <subscript at free.fr> wrote:

> > Thank you. Just to be clear, the spacebar is intended to jump from
> > folder to folder, not to the next unread message in the same
> > folder?  
> 
> Once it reaches the end of an unread message (following the behaviour
> your properly described), it jumps to next folder that contains unread
> message according to preferences, and if there's one.

Thank you. That's exactly the behaviour I *don't* want. I prefer to read through all the unread messages in one folder, then move on to the next folder with unread messages. The way it works now means the context keeps changing as the focus switches from one folder (eg the claws-mail user list) to another (eg. the linux-raid list). I can follow a thread through in one folder using the mouse, but I prefer to use the keyboard.

What do you mean when you say "according to preferences"? I haven't changed anything between 3.14 and 3.15.

Regards

Bob

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From subscript at free.fr  Wed May 24 11:27:02 2017
From: subscript at free.fr (wwp)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 11:27:02 +0200
Subject: [Users] Bug [3818]
In-Reply-To: <20170524101831.163eaa99@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
References: <20170524090135.6103c398@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170524090705.1aaec74f@kujata>
 <20170524092813.1d2df02e@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170524105811.132457b0@anthra>
 <20170524101831.163eaa99@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
Message-ID: <20170524112652.58d847e2@anthra>

Hello Bob,


On Wed, 24 May 2017 10:18:31 +0100 Bob Williams <linux at karmasailing.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 24 May 2017 10:58:11 +0200
> wwp <subscript at free.fr> wrote:
> 
> > > Thank you. Just to be clear, the spacebar is intended to jump from
> > > folder to folder, not to the next unread message in the same
> > > folder?    
> > 
> > Once it reaches the end of an unread message (following the behaviour
> > your properly described), it jumps to next folder that contains unread
> > message according to preferences, and if there's one.  
> 
> Thank you. That's exactly the behaviour I *don't* want. I prefer to read through all the unread messages in one folder, then move on to the next folder with unread messages. The way it works now means the context keeps changing as the focus switches from one folder (eg the claws-mail user list) to another (eg. the linux-raid list). I can follow a thread through in one folder using the mouse, but I prefer to use the keyboard.
> 
> What do you mean when you say "according to preferences"? I haven't changed anything between 3.14 and 3.15.

You may have to.
See Display/Summary/Messages list -> "Set default selection when
entering a folder" and "Open message when selected". Those are the
settings recently changed that impact things around current topic. I'm
not sure that you will find anything that would help in your case,
though.


Regards,

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From linux at karmasailing.uk  Wed May 24 11:30:51 2017
From: linux at karmasailing.uk (Bob Williams)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 10:30:51 +0100
Subject: [Users] Bug [3818]
In-Reply-To: <20170524100550.2ea1b896@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20170524090135.6103c398@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170524090705.1aaec74f@kujata>
 <20170524092813.1d2df02e@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170524100550.2ea1b896@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20170524103051.40084e39@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>

On Wed, 24 May 2017 10:05:50 +0100
Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 24 May 2017 09:28:13 +0100
> Bob Williams <linux at karmasailing.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello Bob,
> 
> >Thank you. Just to be clear, the spacebar is intended to jump from
> >folder to folder, not to the next unread message in the same
> >folder?  
> 
> In this context, CM now has a very strict definition for the word
> "next" (I argue that it's too strict).  Whilst well intentioned, this
> definition leads to what a growing number of people consider to be odd
> behaviour, esp. in regard to moving to another folder whilst there are
> still unread messages in the current folder.
> 
> CM is the only MUA I know of where selecting "Go to Next unread
> message" will result in no action being taken under certain
> circumstances, despite there being both new & unread messages to look
> at.  There are workarounds of course.
> 

This what I am coming to realise.
Why did the behaviour change in 3.15?
Any clues about the workarounds?

Bob

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From olaf at aepfle.de  Wed May 24 11:33:21 2017
From: olaf at aepfle.de (Olaf Hering)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 11:33:21 +0200
Subject: [Users] Bug [3818]
In-Reply-To: <20170524101831.163eaa99@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
References: <20170524090135.6103c398@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170524090705.1aaec74f@kujata>
 <20170524092813.1d2df02e@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170524105811.132457b0@anthra>
 <20170524101831.163eaa99@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
Message-ID: <20170524113321.206797f6.olaf@aepfle.de>

Am Wed, 24 May 2017 10:18:31 +0100
schrieb Bob Williams <linux at karmasailing.uk>:

> What do you mean when you say "according to preferences"? I haven't changed anything between 3.14 and 3.15.

What works for me is:
Set sort order to "ascending"
Set sort order to "by date"
Set "Thread view"
In Settings -> Display -> Summaries -> Show "no unread (or new) message" dialog -> Assume 'No'

That way shift+n or shift+p remains in the current folder. There is no popup for shift+p if the end is reached. Selecting another folder is done with shift+g.

Olaf
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From dave at howorth.org.uk  Wed May 24 11:38:14 2017
From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 10:38:14 +0100
Subject: [Users] Bug [3818]
In-Reply-To: <20170524092813.1d2df02e@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
References: <20170524090135.6103c398@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170524090705.1aaec74f@kujata>
 <20170524092813.1d2df02e@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
Message-ID: <20170524103814.6415eed4@acer-suse.lan>

On Wed, 24 May 2017 09:28:13 +0100
Bob Williams <linux at karmasailing.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 24 May 2017 09:07:05 +0100
> Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 24 May 2017 09:01:35 +0100
> > Bob Williams <linux at karmasailing.uk> wrote: 
> > 
> > > On 3.15.0 I find that the spacebar does not scroll through the
> > > message body, it moves the focus to the first unread message in
> > > the next folder.  
> > 
> > Nothing changed there. The spacebar will scroll to the end of the
> > message body, but if you are at the end of the message already, if
> > there is nowhere to scroll to, then the focus will move like you
> > say.
> > 
> > with regards
> > 
> > Paul
> 
> Thank you. Just to be clear, the spacebar is intended to jump from
> folder to folder, not to the next unread message in the same folder?

Is it perhaps to do with whether messages are ordered oldest at the top
or oldest at the bottom and with the meanings of next and previous? I
understand the semantics has changed between some releases, though I
believe it can be configured. There have been several threads about the
issues.

HTH, Dave

> Regards
> 
> Bob



From brad at fineby.me.uk  Wed May 24 11:42:49 2017
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 10:42:49 +0100
Subject: [Users] Bug [3818]
In-Reply-To: <20170524103051.40084e39@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
References: <20170524090135.6103c398@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170524090705.1aaec74f@kujata>
 <20170524092813.1d2df02e@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
 <20170524100550.2ea1b896@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20170524103051.40084e39@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>
Message-ID: <20170524104249.01cafcce@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Wed, 24 May 2017 10:30:51 +0100
Bob Williams <linux at karmasailing.uk> wrote:

Hello Bob,

>Why did the behaviour change in 3.15?

IDK; The dev team would have the definitive answer.

>Any clues about the workarounds?

You mentioned one; use the mouse.

Another would be to use "go to previous".

Neither option is elegant.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
I ain't got no time for intellectual music, e.g. Hergest Ridge
Heads Down No Nonsense Mindless Boogie - Alberto y Lost Trios Paranoias
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From dave at howorth.org.uk  Wed May 24 13:59:38 2017
From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:59:38 +0100
Subject: [Users] automatically changing From address
Message-ID: <20170524125938.320aac78@acer-suse.lan>

I get all the mail sent to my domain, and frequently use unique mail
addresses when communicating with firms (e.g. I might have subscribed
here using claws-mail at howorth.org.uk). When they send me mail, they do
so to these unique addresses, but if I reply to the mail it is sent
from my main address. I'd like it to be sent from the unique address
instead. Presently I do this by editing the From line manually, but is
it possible to do this automatically? i.e. Use the To address as the
From address when replying to mail?

Some organizations that don't understand how things work insist on mail
coming from the 'correct' address. :(

Cheers, Dave


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Wed May 24 14:23:16 2017
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 13:23:16 +0100
Subject: [Users] automatically changing From address
In-Reply-To: <20170524125938.320aac78@acer-suse.lan>
References: <20170524125938.320aac78@acer-suse.lan>
Message-ID: <20170524132316.76f4a74d@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Wed, 24 May 2017 12:59:38 +0100
Dave Howorth <dave at howorth.org.uk> wrote:

Hello Dave,

>from my main address. I'd like it to be sent from the unique address
>instead. Presently I do this by editing the From line manually, but is
>it possible to do this automatically? i.e. Use the To address as the
>From address when replying to mail?

Preferences, Compose, Writing; 'Automatic account selection' will
definitely be helpful there.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Tired of doing day jobs with no thanks for what I do
Do Anything You Wanna Do - Eddie & The Hotrods
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed May 24 14:37:27 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 13:37:27 +0100
Subject: [Users] automatically changing From address
In-Reply-To: <20170524125938.320aac78@acer-suse.lan>
References: <20170524125938.320aac78@acer-suse.lan>
Message-ID: <20170524133727.76ecea98@kujata>

On Wed, 24 May 2017 12:59:38 +0100
Dave Howorth <dave at howorth.org.uk> wrote: 

> I get all the mail sent to my domain, and frequently use unique mail
> addresses when communicating with firms (e.g. I might have
> subscribed here using claws-mail at howorth.org.uk). When they send me
> mail, they do so to these unique addresses, but if I reply to the
> mail it is sent from my main address. I'd like it to be sent from
> the unique address instead. Presently I do this by editing the From
> line manually, but is it possible to do this automatically? i.e.
> Use the To address as the
> >From address when replying to mail?  
> 
> Some organizations that don't understand how things work insist on
> mail coming from the 'correct' address. :(

If you filter these messages into their respective folders, you can
use the Folder templates.

Right click the folder, choose Properties, choose the Templates page,
and then use %t as the From value. 

with regards

Paul


From dave at howorth.org.uk  Wed May 24 16:57:11 2017
From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 15:57:11 +0100
Subject: [Users] automatically changing From address
In-Reply-To: <20170524132316.76f4a74d@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20170524125938.320aac78@acer-suse.lan>
 <20170524132316.76f4a74d@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20170524155711.7f877777@acer-suse.lan>

On Wed, 24 May 2017 13:23:16 +0100
Brad Rogers wrote:
> Preferences, Compose, Writing; 'Automatic account selection' will
> definitely be helpful there.

It's all one account. It's just the from string that changes.

On Wed, 24 May 2017 13:37:27 +0100
Paul wrote:
> If you filter these messages into their respective folders, you can
> use the Folder templates.

Sadly I don't for most of them. I just have a general folder called
'Shops' and most of them go in there, but it will be useful ...

> Right click the folder, choose Properties, choose the Templates page,
> and then use %t as the From value. 

... for those that do have a specific folder. Many thanks.

Dave


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed May 24 16:59:01 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 15:59:01 +0100
Subject: [Users] automatically changing From address
In-Reply-To: <20170524155711.7f877777@acer-suse.lan>
References: <20170524125938.320aac78@acer-suse.lan>
 <20170524132316.76f4a74d@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20170524155711.7f877777@acer-suse.lan>
Message-ID: <20170524155901.25debccf@kujata>

On Wed, 24 May 2017 15:57:11 +0100
Dave Howorth <dave at howorth.org.uk> wrote: 

> Sadly I don't for most of them. I just have a general folder called
> 'Shops' and most of them go in there, but it will be useful ...

You could still use %t in the folder templates here, and it'd
probably work fine for you.

with regards

Paul


From dave at howorth.org.uk  Wed May 24 17:56:28 2017
From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 16:56:28 +0100
Subject: [Users] automatically changing From address
In-Reply-To: <20170524155901.25debccf@kujata>
References: <20170524125938.320aac78@acer-suse.lan>
 <20170524132316.76f4a74d@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20170524155711.7f877777@acer-suse.lan>
 <20170524155901.25debccf@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170524165628.67472f27@acer-suse.lan>

On Wed, 24 May 2017 15:59:01 +0100
Paul wrote:
> On Wed, 24 May 2017 15:57:11 +0100
> Dave Howorth <dave at howorth.org.uk> wrote: 
> 
> > Sadly I don't for most of them. I just have a general folder called
> > 'Shops' and most of them go in there, but it will be useful ...
> 
> You could still use %t in the folder templates here, and it'd
> probably work fine for you.

It does! Brilliant, thanks very much (doh, why didn't I work that out?)

Cheers, Dave

> with regards
> 
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users



From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Wed May 24 20:08:00 2017
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 11:08:00 -0700
Subject: [Users] Action within filter not working
In-Reply-To: <20170524071500.2c03e2d4@kujata>
References: <20170523190851.4b888146@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170524071500.2c03e2d4@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170524110800.6832f43b@frogguski.911networks.com>

On Wed, 24 May 2017 07:15:00 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

>
>In Filtering the symbol '%f' means the From header.
>In Actions the symbol '%f' means the selected msg file.

In the filtering, I want to get the subject line into
server-2017.txt:

execute "cat %s >> server-2017.txt" move "#mh/Mailbox/work/server"

and I get nothing

-- 
sknahT

vyS


From peter777 at users.sourceforge.net  Thu May 25 03:58:02 2017
From: peter777 at users.sourceforge.net (Peter Richards)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 11:58:02 +1000
Subject: [Users] Messages being expunged before retrieval
In-Reply-To: <20170523120537.4ba7f25f@peter-asus64>
References: <20170522104342.1e8b9ddc@peter-asus64>
 <20170522084944.5e7c94bf@kujata>
 <20170523120537.4ba7f25f@peter-asus64>
Message-ID: <20170525115802.52e6b23c@peter-asus64>

On Tue, 23 May 2017 12:05:37 +1000
Peter Richards <peter777 at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> ......... that it is the server doing the expunging. I _may_
> have a theory, and will test that today.

So, last night I logged in via CPanel/File manager and viewed how many
emails there were for one account. There were 14 there, and I went
through them, reading, and then deleted six. The delete was done from
the CPanel/ File Manager.

This morning, Dovecot informed Claws there were 21. On the Claws
'Get Mail', the expunged messages, and only 15 were retrived; a
difference of 6.

So, ..yes, my bad, as I had forgotten the other day that there had been
one email msg deleted via CPanel/ File Manager.

Obviously, CPanel/ File Manager does not update the Dovecot list of
files available for download. It would be smarter if it did.  lol

Thanks for your help and patience,

Peter



From jjhung88 at hotmail.com  Thu May 25 08:13:41 2017
From: jjhung88 at hotmail.com (Jackie Hung)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 06:13:41 +0000
Subject: [Users] how to download only email from 2 days before
Message-ID: <BY2PR19MB02959E028CA01D9DCE312659DBFF0@BY2PR19MB0295.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

If I install clawsmail to a new computer, is there a way to download only the email from only 2 days earlier instead of everything in the server?



Best Regards,

Jackie

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From geek at uniserve.com  Fri May 26 05:48:25 2017
From: geek at uniserve.com (Dave Stevens)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 20:48:25 -0700
Subject: [Users] question about 3.13.2
Message-ID: <20170525204825.2944eca0@user-Satellite-A100>

I switch between threaded and non-threaded views sometimes. In threaded
view I typically start with the original post then use the tooolbar
down-arrow to move through. Is there an option to display an up-arrow
as well, to move back?

Dave

-- 
In modern fantasy (literary or governmental), killing people is the
usual solution to the so-called war between good and evil. My books are
not conceived in terms of such a war, and offer no simple answers to
simplistic questions.

----- Ursula Le Guin


From clifflaine at europe.com  Fri May 26 08:28:50 2017
From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 07:28:50 +0100
Subject: [Users] Lost maximise / minimise / close icons in top RH corner
Message-ID: <20170526072850.715c0578@korky-Inspiron-1525>

Just that really -- I'm not sure what I've done, but the little minus
sign, the plus sign, and the x in the top right of the main window have
disappeared, and CM now opens maximised, obscuring my taskbar (or
whatever the panel at the bottom of the window is called). The version
number at the top has also disppeared.

It's specific to CM -- the icons are there in Firefox and other
programs.

CM 3.14.1, Mint 18, Cinnamon, 32-bit

Cliff


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May 26 08:42:40 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 07:42:40 +0100
Subject: [Users] question about 3.13.2
In-Reply-To: <20170525204825.2944eca0@user-Satellite-A100>
References: <20170525204825.2944eca0@user-Satellite-A100>
Message-ID: <20170526074240.0ec88670@kujata>

On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:48:25 -0700
Dave Stevens <geek at uniserve.com> wrote: 

> I switch between threaded and non-threaded views sometimes. In
> threaded view I typically start with the original post then use the
> tooolbar down-arrow to move through. Is there an option to display
> an up-arrow as well, to move back?

Yes. See /Configuration/Preferences/Toolbars/Main Window

with regards

Paul


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May 26 08:48:10 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 07:48:10 +0100
Subject: [Users] Lost maximise / minimise / close icons in top RH corner
In-Reply-To: <20170526072850.715c0578@korky-Inspiron-1525>
References: <20170526072850.715c0578@korky-Inspiron-1525>
Message-ID: <20170526074810.47706018@kujata>

On Fri, 26 May 2017 07:28:50 +0100
Cliff Laine <clifflaine at europe.com> wrote: 

> Just that really -- I'm not sure what I've done, but the little
> minus sign, the plus sign, and the x in the top right of the main
> window have disappeared, and CM now opens maximised, obscuring my
> taskbar (or whatever the panel at the bottom of the window is
> called). The version number at the top has also disppeared.

Press F11, this is the hotkey for /View/Full Screen

with regards

Paul


From clifflaine at europe.com  Fri May 26 08:51:14 2017
From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 07:51:14 +0100
Subject: [Users] Lost maximise / minimise / close icons in top RH corner
In-Reply-To: <20170526074810.47706018@kujata>
References: <20170526072850.715c0578@korky-Inspiron-1525>
 <20170526074810.47706018@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170526075114.55a80139@korky-Inspiron-1525>

On Fri, 26 May 2017 07:48:10 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 May 2017 07:28:50 +0100
> Cliff Laine <clifflaine at europe.com> wrote: 
> 
> > Just that really -- I'm not sure what I've done, but the little
> > minus sign, the plus sign, and the x in the top right of the main
> > window have disappeared, and CM now opens maximised, obscuring my
> > taskbar (or whatever the panel at the bottom of the window is
> > called). The version number at the top has also disppeared.  
> 
> Press F11, this is the hotkey for /View/Full Screen
> 

Thanks Paul! 


From al-clawsmail at none.at  Fri May 26 09:17:09 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 09:17:09 +0200
Subject: [Users] Thank you for the program
Message-ID: <20170526091709.00002464@none.at>

Dear Claws-Mail developer.

I must say thank you to the claws mail Programm.

I have tried a lot Windows programs, email, Trojitá, nylas,
outlook, ... but claws was the one which was the best for me.

What was my criteria to choose claws-mail?

.) fast and qualified answer on the mailing list
.) threaded view
.) easy setup for per folder sender/from address
.) pgp & smime integration
.) break lines after xx character.
.) use able with keyboard

Very best regards
Aleks


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May 26 15:20:04 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 13:20:04 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3827] New: ClawsMail thinks it's crashed when exiting
 the program
Message-ID: <bug-3827-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3827

            Bug ID: 3827
           Summary: ClawsMail thinks it's crashed when exiting the program
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.15.0
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Plugins/Clamd
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: linux at karmasailing.uk

When exiting the program, either from the File menu or by closing the window,
Claws Mail generates a crash report.

Claws Mail version 3.15.0
GTK+ version 2.24.31 / GLib 2.48.2
Locale: en_GB.UTF-8 (charset: UTF-8)
Features: IPv6 iconv compface GnuTLS LDAP JPilot GNU/aspell libetpan libSM
Operating system: Linux 4.4.62-18.6-default (x86_64)
C Library: GNU libc 2.22
--
[New LWP 4117]
[New LWP 4118]
[New LWP 4120]
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
Using host libthread_db library "/lib64/libthread_db.so.1".
0x00007f712e78a736 in waitpid () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#0  0x00007f712e78a736 in waitpid () at /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#1  0x000000000048b893 in  ()
#2  0x00007f712c587950 in <signal handler called> () at /lib64/libc.so.6
#3  0x00007f712c5878d7 in raise () at /lib64/libc.so.6
#4  0x00007f712c588caa in abort () at /lib64/libc.so.6
#5  0x00007f712c5c51b4 in  () at /lib64/libc.so.6
#6  0x00007f712c5ca9d6 in malloc_printerr () at /lib64/libc.so.6
#7  0x00007f711213cd53 in clamd_free () at
/usr/lib64/claws-mail/plugins/clamd.so
#8  0x00007f71121397de in plugin_done () at
/usr/lib64/claws-mail/plugins/clamd.so
#9  0x00000000005df174 in plugin_unload ()
#10 0x00000000005df51e in plugin_unload_all ()
#11 0x00000000004515b2 in  ()
#12 0x0000000000453f08 in main ()
Kill the program being debugged? (y or n) [answered Y; input not from terminal]

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May 26 15:39:06 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 13:39:06 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3827] ClawsMail thinks it's crashed when exiting the
	program
In-Reply-To: <bug-3827-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3827-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3827-595-nv504Ubsyv@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3827

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
How is this related to the clamd plugin?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May 26 15:40:00 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 13:40:00 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3827] ClawsMail thinks it's crashed when exiting the
	program
In-Reply-To: <bug-3827-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3827-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3827-595-yoZc7wxAx8@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3827

--- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
I should add: does this not happen when the clamd plugin is not loaded?

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From linux at karmasailing.uk  Fri May 26 16:57:41 2017
From: linux at karmasailing.uk (Bob Williams)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 15:57:41 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3827] ClawsMail thinks it's crashed when exiting
 the program
In-Reply-To: <bug-3827-595-yoZc7wxAx8@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3827-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3827-595-yoZc7wxAx8@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20170526155741.55200ba5@blackbox.home.karmasailing.uk>

On Fri, 26 May 2017 13:40:00 +0000
noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote:

> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3827
> 
> --- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
> I should add: does this not happen when the clamd plugin is not
> loaded?
> 

Sorry, my bad. Since submitting this bug, I have found out how to reconfigure the clamav plugin to use TCP rather than a socket. No recurrence of the crash report on shutdown, so far.

-- 
Bob Williams
   System:  Linux 4.4.62-18.6-default
   Distro:  openSUSE 42.2 (x86_64)
   Desktop: KDE Frameworks: 5.26.0, Qt: 5.6.1 and Plasma: 5.8.2
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May 26 17:05:59 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 15:05:59 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3827] ClawsMail thinks it's crashed when exiting the
	program
In-Reply-To: <bug-3827-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3827-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3827-595-Nc0U3NctiA@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3827

Bob Williams <linux at karmasailing.uk> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

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From geek at uniserve.com  Fri May 26 17:07:28 2017
From: geek at uniserve.com (Dave Stevens)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 08:07:28 -0700
Subject: [Users] question about 3.13.2
In-Reply-To: <20170526074240.0ec88670@kujata>
References: <20170525204825.2944eca0@user-Satellite-A100>
 <20170526074240.0ec88670@kujata>
Message-ID: <20170526080728.3bd7429b@user-Satellite-A100>

On Fri, 26 May 2017 07:42:40 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:48:25 -0700
> Dave Stevens <geek at uniserve.com> wrote: 
> 
> > I switch between threaded and non-threaded views sometimes. In
> > threaded view I typically start with the original post then use the
> > tooolbar down-arrow to move through. Is there an option to display
> > an up-arrow as well, to move back?
> 
> Yes. See /Configuration/Preferences/Toolbars/Main Window
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul

yes, works fine. Thanks!

d

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri May 26 17:29:54 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 15:29:54 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3827] ClawsMail thinks it's crashed when exiting the
	program
In-Reply-To: <bug-3827-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3827-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3827-595-8UimPLDSzd@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3827

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
         Resolution|INVALID                     |---

--- Comment #3 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
Even if you found how to workaround this, it's still a bug. It should not crash
just because a plugin is wrongly configured, hence reopening.

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From andrej at kacian.sk  Fri May 26 18:15:54 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 18:15:54 +0200
Subject: [Users] https://github.com/bushvin/ansible-module-grub
Message-ID: <20170526181554.554f515c@penny>

https://github.com/bushvin/ansible-module-grub

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From andrej at kacian.sk  Fri May 26 18:28:26 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 18:28:26 +0200
Subject: [Users] https://github.com/bushvin/ansible-module-grub
In-Reply-To: <20170526181554.554f515c@penny>
References: <20170526181554.554f515c@penny>
Message-ID: <20170526182826.40a81c72@penny>

On Fri, 26 May 2017 18:15:54 +0200
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

> https://github.com/bushvin/ansible-module-grub
> 

Ignore please, brain malfunction. :)

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From al-clawsmail at none.at  Sun May 28 10:18:01 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 10:18:01 +0200
Subject: [Users] claws qt
Message-ID: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002>

Hi.

I have found a bug in claws qt and want to report it.

Is the bugzilla also the right place for this?

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/index.cgi

A segfault happen when the current account is empty but a user want to
edit it. 

###
diff --git a/src/gui/cprefsdialogaccount.cpp b/src/gui/cprefsdialogaccount.cpp
index c9fa5a2..b0cb36e 100644
--- a/src/gui/cprefsdialogaccount.cpp
+++ b/src/gui/cprefsdialogaccount.cpp
@@ -42,7 +42,10 @@ CPrefsDialogAccount::CPrefsDialogAccount(const CAccount *account):
                m_account->setDefaultParams();
                setWindowTitle("Preferences for new account");
        } else {
-               setWindowTitle(m_account->name() + " - Account preferences");
+               qDebug() << "Current account..." << m_account;
+               // TODO: handle segfault when no current account available
+//             setWindowTitle(m_account->name() + " - Account preferences");
+               return;
        }
 
        registerPage(setup_basic_page());
###

Regards
Aleks


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun May 28 10:59:08 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 09:59:08 +0100
Subject: [Users] claws qt
In-Reply-To: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002>
References: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002>
Message-ID: <20170528095908.3cf58cda@kujata>

On Sun, 28 May 2017 10:18:01 +0200
Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote: 

> I have found a bug in claws qt and want to report it.

It's way too early for that, I reckon.

with regards

Paul


From andrej at kacian.sk  Sun May 28 11:28:47 2017
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 11:28:47 +0200
Subject: [Users] claws qt
In-Reply-To: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002>
References: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002>
Message-ID: <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>

On Sun, 28 May 2017 10:18:01 +0200
Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:

> A segfault happen when the current account is empty but a user want to
> edit it. 

Hi,

thanks, but the real root cause for this bug was an uninitialized
pointer elsewhere in the code. Fixed now in git. :)

I agree with Paul that it's too early to involve any Claws Mail
infrastructure in bugreports about the Qt port, since at this point,
it's still more or less just an incomplete proof of concept and my
personal Qt playground. :)

Regards,
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From al-clawsmail at none.at  Sun May 28 13:03:00 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 13:03:00 +0200
Subject: [Users] claws qt
In-Reply-To: <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>
References: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002> <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>
Message-ID: <20170528130300.0000711b@none.at>

Hi Andrej Kacian.

Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> have written on Sun, 28 May 2017
11:28:47 +0200:

> On Sun, 28 May 2017 10:18:01 +0200
> Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:
> 
> > A segfault happen when the current account is empty but a user want
> > to edit it.   
> 
> Hi,
> 
> thanks, but the real root cause for this bug was an uninitialized
> pointer elsewhere in the code. Fixed now in git. :)
> 
> I agree with Paul that it's too early to involve any Claws Mail
> infrastructure in bugreports about the Qt port, since at this point,
> it's still more or less just an incomplete proof of concept and my
> personal Qt playground. :)

Okay. Thanks for fast answer.

> Regards,

Regards
Aleks


From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Sun May 28 18:42:51 2017
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 09:42:51 -0700
Subject: [Users] claws qt
In-Reply-To: <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>
References: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002> <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>
Message-ID: <20170528094251.75e448e7@frogguski.911networks.com>

On Sun, 28 May 2017 11:28:47 +0200
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

>I agree with Paul that it's too early to involve any Claws Mail
>infrastructure in bugreports about the Qt port, since at this point,
>it's still more or less just an incomplete proof of concept and my
>personal Qt playground. :)

Sorry to butt in, but...

Does this mean that you plan on moving to Qt and not go to GTK3?

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From rdmyers.42 at gmail.com  Sun May 28 19:10:51 2017
From: rdmyers.42 at gmail.com (Rodney D. Myers)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 13:10:51 -0400
Subject: [Users] claws qt
In-Reply-To: <20170528094251.75e448e7@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002> <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>
 <20170528094251.75e448e7@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20170528131051.181d3c10@gmail.com>

On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:42:51 -0700
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:

> On Sun, 28 May 2017 11:28:47 +0200
> Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:
> 
> >I agree with Paul that it's too early to involve any Claws Mail
> >infrastructure in bugreports about the Qt port, since at this point,
> >it's still more or less just an incomplete proof of concept and my
> >personal Qt playground. :)
> 
> Sorry to butt in, but...
> 
> Does this mean that you plan on moving to Qt and not go to GTK3?
> 

Let's hope so. A more stable upgrade path than GTK

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun May 28 20:15:47 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 18:15:47 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3827] ClawsMail thinks it's crashed when exiting the
	program
In-Reply-To: <bug-3827-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3827-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3827-595-9jefsRFI7W@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3827

--- Comment #4 from Michael Rasmussen <mir at datanom.net> ---
I have not been able to replicate the crash so could you provide some more
info?

- Distribution
- clamd.conf
- The exact way it was configured in claws.

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From al-clawsmail at none.at  Sun May 28 23:33:00 2017
From: al-clawsmail at none.at (Aleks)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 23:33:00 +0200
Subject: [Users] claws qt
In-Reply-To: <20170528094251.75e448e7@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002> <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>
 <20170528094251.75e448e7@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20170528233300.00006773@none.at>

Hi sylpheed at 911networks.com.

sylpheed at 911networks.com <sylpheed at 911networks.com> have written on
Sun, 28 May 2017 09:42:51 -0700:

> On Sun, 28 May 2017 11:28:47 +0200
> Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:
> 
> >I agree with Paul that it's too early to involve any Claws Mail
> >infrastructure in bugreports about the Qt port, since at this point,
> >it's still more or less just an incomplete proof of concept and my
> >personal Qt playground. :)  
> 
> Sorry to butt in, but...
> 
> Does this mean that you plan on moving to Qt and not go to GTK3?

As I have read the thread right the decision is not made yet

http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2017-May/thread.html#19271

Regards
Aleks


From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Sun May 28 23:44:40 2017
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 14:44:40 -0700
Subject: [Users] claws qt
In-Reply-To: <20170528233300.00006773@none.at>
References: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002> <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>
 <20170528094251.75e448e7@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528233300.00006773@none.at>
Message-ID: <20170528144440.6e8f754f@frogguski.911networks.com>

On Sun, 28 May 2017 23:33:00 +0200
Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:

> Hi sylpheed at 911networks.com.
> 
> > Does this mean that you plan on moving to Qt and not go to GTK3?  
> 
> As I have read the thread right the decision is not made yet
> 
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2017-May/thread.html#19271

It's very good to hear that the team is looking into it

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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Mon May 29 03:30:32 2017
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 21:30:32 -0400
Subject: [Users] claws qt
In-Reply-To: <20170528144440.6e8f754f@frogguski.911networks.com>
References: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002> <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>
 <20170528094251.75e448e7@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528233300.00006773@none.at>
 <20170528144440.6e8f754f@frogguski.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20170528213032.0b342ed3@mydesk.domain.cxm>

On Sun, 28 May 2017 14:44:40 -0700, sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:
> On Sun, 28 May 2017 23:33:00 +0200
> Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:
> 
> > Hi sylpheed at 911networks.com.
> >   
> > > Does this mean that you plan on moving to Qt and not go to
> > > GTK3?    
> > 
> > As I have read the thread right the decision is not made yet
> > 
> > http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2017-May/thread.html#19271  
> 
> It's very good to hear that the team is looking into it

I agree. I'm not an authority on the situation, but my impression is
that GTk is devolving into an entry drug for Gnome. I would never ask a
project to do anything as challenging as switching GUI APIs, but if
you're thinking of it anyway, I for sure vote yes.

SteveT

Steve Litt 
May 2017 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting
http://www.troubleshooters.com/28




From lbickley at bickleywest.com  Mon May 29 03:49:43 2017
From: lbickley at bickleywest.com (Lyle Bickley)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 18:49:43 -0700
Subject: [Users] claws qt
In-Reply-To: <20170528213032.0b342ed3@mydesk.domain.cxm>
References: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002> <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>
 <20170528094251.75e448e7@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528233300.00006773@none.at>
 <20170528144440.6e8f754f@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528213032.0b342ed3@mydesk.domain.cxm>
Message-ID: <20170528184943.7564e898@asrock.bcwi.net>

On Sun, 28 May 2017 21:30:32 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 28 May 2017 14:44:40 -0700, sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 May 2017 23:33:00 +0200
> > Aleks <al-clawsmail at none.at> wrote:
> >   
>  [...]  
>  [...]  
>  [...]  
> > 
> > It's very good to hear that the team is looking into it  
> 
> I agree. I'm not an authority on the situation, but my impression is
> that GTk is devolving into an entry drug for Gnome. I would never ask
> a project to do anything as challenging as switching GUI APIs, but if
> you're thinking of it anyway, I for sure vote yes.

I'll second that ;)

Lyle

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From codejodler at gmx.ch  Mon May 29 15:56:20 2017
From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 15:56:20 +0200
Subject: [Users] 'forward' as filter action ?
Message-ID: <20170529155620.219a82fb@gandalf.lan2>

Can i do this by filter ?

Incoming message matches -> create a 'forward' copy in queue


1. Claws is configured to queue first, not send immediately, so i still am able to control things.

2. Doesn't need to be real 'forward', if that's impossible - could be just a copy in queue with recipient replaced. 


From subscript at free.fr  Mon May 29 16:13:47 2017
From: subscript at free.fr (wwp)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 16:13:47 +0200
Subject: [Users] 'forward' as filter action ?
In-Reply-To: <20170529155620.219a82fb@gandalf.lan2>
References: <20170529155620.219a82fb@gandalf.lan2>
Message-ID: <20170529161347.360c7dcc@anthra>

Hello Michael,


On Mon, 29 May 2017 15:56:20 +0200 Michael <codejodler at gmx.ch> wrote:

> Can i do this by filter ?
> 
> Incoming message matches -> create a 'forward' copy in queue
> 
> 
> 1. Claws is configured to queue first, not send immediately, so i still am able to control things.
> 
> 2. Doesn't need to be real 'forward', if that's impossible - could be just a copy in queue with recipient replaced.

Well, if you do that, and you could have tried, you will get an error
saying that the message in queue could not be sent, due to missing
sending information, probable cause being that the message has not been
stored by Claws Mail itself.

This is expected, because copying a message in Queue folder will not
add some extra headers Claws Mail adds for internal purpose when you
press Send later in a compose window (or Send, but CM is configured to
send later).

I don't know a way to workaround this currently. This may be an open
question to be discussed, though, as to me it could make sense to do
what you want (why not a resend filtering action with option "later").


Regards,

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue May 30 10:29:24 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 08:29:24 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3828] New: "Re-edit" should not recycle the Message-ID
	header
Message-ID: <bug-3828-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3828

            Bug ID: 3828
           Summary: "Re-edit" should not recycle the Message-ID header
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.14.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: psychonaut at nothingisreal.com

The Message->Re-edit command allows the user to open a new copy of a sent
message so that it can be edited and sent again.  The copy preserves the
headers from the original message, which is generally a good thing.  But one
header it should *not* preserve is the Message-ID field, as this violates the
uniqueness requirements of RFC 2392, RFC 5322, etc., and in turn can interfere
with the storage, retrieval, and presentation of messages in mail clients and
other mail processing software.

For example, in Thread View, Claws Mail itself gets confused by duplicate
Message-IDs, anchoring the reply tree at only one of the messages.  (This is
particularly noticeable when using "Re-edit" to send messages to a mailing list
that you subscribe to.)  More seriously, having substantially different
messages with duplicate Message-IDs can lead to data loss when running Claws
Mail's duplicate filter, which checks only the Message-ID header and not the
message content.

Steps to reproduce:
1. Navigate to a "Sent" folder and select a message.
2. Message->Re-edit
3. Edit the message content and/or headers
4. Message->Send
5. Using View->"Show All Headers" or View->"Message Source", examine the
"Message-ID" header of the original and "re-edited" messages.

Observed behaviour:
6. The Message-IDs are the same.

Expected behaviour:

6. The Message-ID for the "re-edited" message should be different.

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From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Tue May 30 12:08:23 2017
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 11:08:23 +0100
Subject: [Users] claws qt
In-Reply-To: <20170528213032.0b342ed3@mydesk.domain.cxm>
References: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002> <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>
 <20170528094251.75e448e7@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528233300.00006773@none.at>
 <20170528144440.6e8f754f@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528213032.0b342ed3@mydesk.domain.cxm>
Message-ID: <20170530110823.00007f95@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Sun, 28 May 2017 21:30:32 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:

> > It's very good to hear that the team is looking into it  
> 
> I agree. I'm not an authority on the situation, but my impression is
> that GTk is devolving into an entry drug for Gnome. I would never ask
> a project to do anything as challenging as switching GUI APIs, but if
> you're thinking of it anyway, I for sure vote yes.

Provided that Qt support exists for GNOME then I have no concerns at
all, I won't claim to understand enough to grasp the difference between
the two toolkits.

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From iwkse at claws-mail.org  Tue May 30 15:26:04 2017
From: iwkse at claws-mail.org (Salvatore De Paolis)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 15:26:04 +0200
Subject: [Users] claws qt
In-Reply-To: <20170530110823.00007f95@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002> <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>
 <20170528094251.75e448e7@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528233300.00006773@none.at>
 <20170528144440.6e8f754f@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528213032.0b342ed3@mydesk.domain.cxm>
 <20170530110823.00007f95@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20170530152604.5076af2a@net24.it>

Hi Brian,

> 
> Provided that Qt support exists for GNOME then I have no concerns at
> all, I won't claim to understand enough to grasp the difference between
> the two toolkits.
> 

I don't think GNOME is going to provide "support" for QT as they don't even
give backward compatibility with GTK (IMHO they do not mind much about
app developers, they just break things and let app developers waste time
fixing it and that's a spiral)

By what I've heard, this doesn't happen with QT

2 cents

-- 
Salvatore


From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Tue May 30 15:56:53 2017
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 14:56:53 +0100
Subject: [Users] claws qt
In-Reply-To: <20170530152604.5076af2a@net24.it>
References: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002> <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>
 <20170528094251.75e448e7@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528233300.00006773@none.at>
 <20170528144440.6e8f754f@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528213032.0b342ed3@mydesk.domain.cxm>
 <20170530110823.00007f95@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
 <20170530152604.5076af2a@net24.it>
Message-ID: <20170530145653.0000714a@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Tue, 30 May 2017 15:26:04 +0200
Salvatore De Paolis wrote:

> I don't think GNOME is going to provide "support" for QT

I run some Qt applications on GNOME 3.xx, there seems to be appropriate
libraries in Fedora to do this. I don't know much about the nuts and
bolts...

-- 

Brian Morrison


From subscript at free.fr  Tue May 30 16:04:35 2017
From: subscript at free.fr (wwp)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 16:04:35 +0200
Subject: [Users] claws qt
In-Reply-To: <20170530152604.5076af2a@net24.it>
References: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002> <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>
 <20170528094251.75e448e7@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528233300.00006773@none.at>
 <20170528144440.6e8f754f@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528213032.0b342ed3@mydesk.domain.cxm>
 <20170530110823.00007f95@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
 <20170530152604.5076af2a@net24.it>
Message-ID: <20170530160435.552afaa0@anthra>

Hello Salvatore,


On Tue, 30 May 2017 15:26:04 +0200 Salvatore De Paolis <iwkse at claws-mail.org> wrote:

> Hi Brian,
> 
> > 
> > Provided that Qt support exists for GNOME then I have no concerns at
> > all, I won't claim to understand enough to grasp the difference between
> > the two toolkits.
> >   
> 
> I don't think GNOME is going to provide "support" for QT as they don't even
> give backward compatibility with GTK (IMHO they do not mind much about
> app developers, they just break things and let app developers waste time
> fixing it and that's a spiral)
> 
> By what I've heard, this doesn't happen with QT

I have a long experience with Qt (at work, since first version), and
can ensure you that their frequent jumps forward require constant
adaptability efforts, sometimes losing hair and don't mandatory bring
stability. They're often going too fast, don't look enough backward to
customers who cannot follow (and give up w/ some Unices).

Best example is what happened to Qt since the beginning, moving from
one company to another, from one design to another, tracker to tracker,
customers being a lil' bit put to background.

Best example is their Qt 5.6 LTS is a total failure. Greedily created
at a stage where it was not possible to make a LTS from such version.

Best example is some feature regression or give up they keep introducing
(i.e. Qt assistant, their desktop help app, not making use of chromium
- WTF!?).

Best example is their e-nor-mous sources tree, embedding an incredible
amount of third-party libraries and tools. For people who are concerned
about licensing, take care.

Best example is their embedded chromium sources tree, a nightmare to
get built AND running on different ports (it's not a 100% portable
thing at all).

I spend months per year at work because of Qt new versions and
incredible dependencies, one of the best killer thing this past year
was QtWebEngine (the chromium thing). And spent days reporting to my
hierarchy that their support don't move on this or that case, and that
some bugs haven't got a single fix for months or years.

A part from this, their internal modules and API is now quite brilliant
and the amount of features is simply more than necessary. From a
free/open-source perspective, I presume that you don't face so much
problems w/ Qt or Digia, since you probably won't need to follow Qt LTS
or cover many ports. You can even keep working w/ Qt4 if you want.


Regards,

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wwp
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From subscript at free.fr  Tue May 30 16:08:24 2017
From: subscript at free.fr (wwp)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 16:08:24 +0200
Subject: [Users] claws qt
In-Reply-To: <20170530145653.0000714a@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002> <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>
 <20170528094251.75e448e7@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528233300.00006773@none.at>
 <20170528144440.6e8f754f@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528213032.0b342ed3@mydesk.domain.cxm>
 <20170530110823.00007f95@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
 <20170530152604.5076af2a@net24.it>
 <20170530145653.0000714a@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20170530160824.6f5f0596@anthra>

Hello Brian,


On Tue, 30 May 2017 14:56:53 +0100 Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 30 May 2017 15:26:04 +0200
> Salvatore De Paolis wrote:
> 
> > I don't think GNOME is going to provide "support" for QT  
> 
> I run some Qt applications on GNOME 3.xx, there seems to be appropriate
> libraries in Fedora to do this. I don't know much about the nuts and
> bolts...

There is no major issue in running a Qt app in a GNOME desktop (v2 or
3). Full and tricky integration is done using some simple Qt platform
plugins, support for GTK+3 is present since recent Qt 5.7+ versions (I'd
recommend 5.9 - the next LTS, which is about to be released within 2
days, if you can afford it anything in v5 before 5.9 is a pain in the
ass).


Regards,

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From charlescurley at charlescurley.com  Tue May 30 16:42:25 2017
From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 08:42:25 -0600
Subject: [Users] claws qt
In-Reply-To: <20170530152604.5076af2a@net24.it>
References: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002> <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>
 <20170528094251.75e448e7@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528233300.00006773@none.at>
 <20170528144440.6e8f754f@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528213032.0b342ed3@mydesk.domain.cxm>
 <20170530110823.00007f95@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
 <20170530152604.5076af2a@net24.it>
Message-ID: <20170530084225.64b5a4df@jhegaala.localdomain>

On Tue, 30 May 2017 15:26:04 +0200
Salvatore De Paolis <iwkse at claws-mail.org> wrote:

> I don't think GNOME is going to provide "support" for QT

GNOME doesn't need to provide support for QT, nor KDE for GTK. They
need only interoperate. This already exists, and all sets of developers
try to maintain that interoperability.
https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedesktop.org That is why you can run a
QT based program (such as K3B) on a GTK based desktop (such as XFCE),
and vice versa.

Perhaps the plan is to add QT support to claws-mail in addition to that
for GTK, so that it will be possible to run claws on KDE without
requiring the GTK libraries. LibreOffice provides both GTK and QT
bindings. Why not claws?

We already have a claws port to Windows, and I suspect that was a more
involved port than from GTK to QT. Line ending issues, for one
thing. Maybe OSX is next?

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue May 30 16:52:48 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 15:52:48 +0100
Subject: [Users] claws qt
In-Reply-To: <20170530084225.64b5a4df@jhegaala.localdomain>
References: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002> <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>
 <20170528094251.75e448e7@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528233300.00006773@none.at>
 <20170528144440.6e8f754f@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528213032.0b342ed3@mydesk.domain.cxm>
 <20170530110823.00007f95@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
 <20170530152604.5076af2a@net24.it>
 <20170530084225.64b5a4df@jhegaala.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20170530155248.30c688f7@kujata>

On Tue, 30 May 2017 08:42:25 -0600
Charles Curley <charlescurley at charlescurley.com> wrote: 

> We already have a claws port to Windows, and I suspect that was a
> more involved port than from GTK to QT.

Actually, no, very much the opposite. It's still GTK.

> Maybe OSX is next?

AFAIK, there are (or have been) some unofficial OSX ports knocking
around.

with regards

Paul


From iwkse at claws-mail.org  Tue May 30 17:24:34 2017
From: iwkse at claws-mail.org (Salvatore De Paolis)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 17:24:34 +0200
Subject: [Users] claws qt
In-Reply-To: <20170530084225.64b5a4df@jhegaala.localdomain>
References: <20170528101801.7c4d73b1@homeal002> <20170528112847.514ba6f1@penny>
 <20170528094251.75e448e7@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528233300.00006773@none.at>
 <20170528144440.6e8f754f@frogguski.911networks.com>
 <20170528213032.0b342ed3@mydesk.domain.cxm>
 <20170530110823.00007f95@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
 <20170530152604.5076af2a@net24.it>
 <20170530084225.64b5a4df@jhegaala.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20170530172434.31d72206@net24.it>

Hi Charles,

> GNOME doesn't need to provide support for QT, nor KDE for GTK. They
> need only interoperate. This already exists, and all sets of developers
> try to maintain that interoperability.
> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/,
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedesktop.org That is why you can run a
> QT based program (such as K3B) on a GTK based desktop (such as XFCE),
> and vice versa.

That's what I was going to say. For now such support isn't provided because
GNOME apps, most of them, aren't desktop independent.


> Perhaps the plan is to add QT support to claws-mail in addition to that
> for GTK, so that it will be possible to run claws on KDE without
> requiring the GTK libraries. LibreOffice provides both GTK and QT
> bindings. Why not claws?

Libreoffice has much more developers than claws mail. Beside that libreoffice
isn't written in C as claws mail. Adding QT support to claws mail means rewriting
claws mail (what Andrej started to do with qlaws)

Regards

-- 
Salvatore


From perkins.stuart at gmail.com  Wed May 31 03:24:20 2017
From: perkins.stuart at gmail.com (Stuart Perkins)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 20:24:20 -0500
Subject: [Users] Operational Question
Message-ID: <20170530202420.74809fbb@perkins4>

Hi.  I'm new to this list, but I've been using Claws-Mail for years.
The most recent update changed the behavior in an undesirable way.

I manage some 20 e-mail addresses with it, and have for years.  When I
receive e-mails, I start reading them while they are still being
received.  Once e-mails are finished being received, the prior versions
would leave focus on the folder and message I was reading in, which
was normally just the preview pane. Now focus is moved to a "default"
folder. I filter messages to multiple folders and the default folder is
normally not the place I want to be.  

Can this change be undone or configured out?

Stuart Perkins


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed May 31 08:54:08 2017
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 07:54:08 +0100
Subject: [Users] Operational Question
In-Reply-To: <20170530202420.74809fbb@perkins4>
References: <20170530202420.74809fbb@perkins4>
Message-ID: <20170531075408.0ec68fd7@kujata>

On Tue, 30 May 2017 20:24:20 -0500
Stuart Perkins <perkins.stuart at gmail.com> wrote: 

> Now focus is moved to a "default"
> folder. I filter messages to multiple folders and the default
> folder is normally not the place I want to be.  

I am not sure what you mean by the '"default" folder'. Perhaps you
mean the Inbox?

> Can this change be undone or configured out?

If you do mean the Inbox, then you probably have the (old)
configuration option set, 'Go to inbox after receiving new mail'.
See /Configuration/Preferences/Mail Handling/Receiving, see the
'After receiving new mail' frame.

with regards

Paul


From perkins.stuart at gmail.com  Wed May 31 16:46:54 2017
From: perkins.stuart at gmail.com (Stuart Perkins)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 09:46:54 -0500
Subject: [Users] Operational Question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1496224802.29818.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
References: <mailman.3.1496224802.29818.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
Message-ID: <20170531094654.3ebb0065@perkins4>

Paul,

Thanks.  I was unaware of that configuration.  The operation of
claws-mail changed after an upgrade as I was accustomed to focus staying
on the e-mail I was looking at as the receive completed.  Actually, the
"default" folder is the main one directly associated with the primary
account, which is other than the Inbox. My "Inbox" gets very few
messages as most are filtered to categorize them.  I never delete an
e-mail...have some 20+ years old...over 500k in number, and 23 GB in
size. By categorizing them, I can selectively go to the important ones
first, and the others if/when I have time.

At any rate, thanks a bunch Paul.  I will know on next receive if it
corrected my issue.  

One of the things I love about Claws-mail is how it accesses
accounts serially on a "receive"...I was using another one which did it
all simultaneously and would trip on itself with the many e-mail
accounts I access.

Another thing I love is the fact that storage is simple files.  I can
search them with grep and read them even if the mail client is broken.

Like I said, I have some very old e-mails.  One time I got into an
argument with my brother over a topic we had resolved years ago.  He
had no idea I still had the e-mail chain.  He never apologized or
accepted the fact that we had already addressed the issue.  We don't
talk these days.

Stuart


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>Hi.  I'm new to this list, but I've been using Claws-Mail for years.
>The most recent update changed the behavior in an undesirable way.
>
>I manage some 20 e-mail addresses with it, and have for years.  When I
>receive e-mails, I start reading them while they are still being
>received.  Once e-mails are finished being received, the prior versions
>would leave focus on the folder and message I was reading in, which
>was normally just the preview pane. Now focus is moved to a "default"
>folder. I filter messages to multiple folders and the default folder is
>normally not the place I want to be.  
>
>Can this change be undone or configured out?
>
>Stuart Perkins
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>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 07:54:08 +0100
>From: Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk>
>To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
>Subject: Re: [Users] Operational Question
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>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
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>On Tue, 30 May 2017 20:24:20 -0500
>Stuart Perkins <perkins.stuart at gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>> Now focus is moved to a "default"
>> folder. I filter messages to multiple folders and the default
>> folder is normally not the place I want to be.    
>
>I am not sure what you mean by the '"default" folder'. Perhaps you
>mean the Inbox?
>
>> Can this change be undone or configured out?  
>
>If you do mean the Inbox, then you probably have the (old)
>configuration option set, 'Go to inbox after receiving new mail'.
>See /Configuration/Preferences/Mail Handling/Receiving, see the
>'After receiving new mail' frame.
>
>with regards
>
>Paul
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed May 31 20:43:38 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 18:43:38 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3824] Quotation Folding is wrongly applied to text
	attachments
In-Reply-To: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3824-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3824-595-vmMBnU75pD@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|REOPENED                    |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

--- Comment #14 from users at lists.claws-mail.org ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://git.claws-mail.org/

++ ChangeLog    2017-05-31 20:40:02.287752588 +0200
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=45cbd9a2abd3ad72a830e3a1ba0950d5bebfd738
Merge: 567b7e7 61ec4ca
Author: Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net>
Date:   Wed May 31 20:40:01 2017 +0200

    Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws

http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=61ec4cae4410ebe0ecb652c7c96000301950ecc8
Author: Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Wed May 31 20:38:59 2017 +0200

    Do not try to handle quotes in text attachments.

    Closes Bug 3824 - Quotation Folding is wrongly applied to text
    attachments.

--- Comment #15 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
Fixed now in git, thanks for the report!

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed May 31 21:12:16 2017
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 19:12:16 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3828] "Re-edit" should not recycle the Message-ID
	header
In-Reply-To: <bug-3828-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3828-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3828-595-jrCULPnGg8@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3828

Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

--- Comment #1 from users at lists.claws-mail.org ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://git.claws-mail.org/

++ ChangeLog    2017-05-31 21:12:02.514475828 +0200
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=b32c20402ffcd23ebb24b2f264477978d5292c77
Merge: 45cbd9a d661fd7
Author: Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net>
Date:   Wed May 31 21:12:02 2017 +0200

    Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws

http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=d661fd7233e971a190b54ef3fa1dac1861f44833
Author: Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Wed May 31 21:10:19 2017 +0200

    Only preserve existing Message-ID when reediting a draft.

    This is a followup to commit e22cbed1f.
    Closes Bug 3828 - "Re-edit" should not recycle the Message-ID header

--- Comment #2 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
You're right, this is an unwanted side-effect of a commit made few months ago.
Fixed now in git.

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