From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Sep 1 00:12:18 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 22:12:18 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3683] "forward as attachment" when used in ACTION In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3683 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #1 from Paul --- The Action you are using is utilising a 'filter action', filtering deals with one message at a time, consistently. Carry on using the "forward as attachment" option if you want them all in one message. Use the Action if you want that behaviour. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From dave at howorth.org.uk Thu Sep 1 00:18:28 2016 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 23:18:28 +0100 Subject: [Users] broken links in emails In-Reply-To: <20160831224104.14e88ef3@penny> References: <20160830211444.3a2d7231@acer-suse.lan> <20160831083209.7954d523@kujata> <20160831205648.01ba4036@acer-suse.lan> <20160831213015.2efd7bbf@acer-suse.lan> <20160831224104.14e88ef3@penny> Message-ID: <20160831231828.674df8a1@acer-suse.lan> On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 22:41:04 +0200 Andrej Kacian wrote: > On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 21:30:15 +0100 > Dave Howorth wrote: > > > So this seems to be an easy to reproduce 100% bug in claws. I'm > > amazed if it hasn't been seen before. > > Or it could be a bug in whatever browser handles the request. I can't > reproduce this either, in plaintext nor a html message. Try running > claws-mail with --debug option from the terminal, to see what URL gets > passed to xdg-open. Well, I'm making progress. I've never come across xdg-open before so I'm working a bit blind. claws-mail --debug indicates that the correct URL is getting passed out. Let's say: http://example.com/search.cgi?fred=wilma&barney=betty Specifically, it logs utils.c:3382:execute_command_line(): executing: xdg-open http://scop.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/search.cgi?fred=wilma&barney=betty and what is passed to firefox has the backslashes inserted. If I turn off Use system defaults where possible in Configuration/Preferences/External Programs then what is logged is utils.c:3382:execute_command_line(): executing: firefox http://example.com/search.cgi?fred=wilma&barney=betty and the URL is passed as is to Firefox (i.e. works) Running sh -x xdg-open shows that it edits the argument but I haven't figured out why or how to stop it doing that. From linux at karmasailing.uk Thu Sep 1 10:13:22 2016 From: linux at karmasailing.uk (Bob Williams) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 09:13:22 +0100 Subject: [Users] Problem building claws-mail In-Reply-To: <20160831224802.134495a3@kujata> References: <20160831191321.549deb98@hexagon.home.karmasailing.uk> <20160831224802.134495a3@kujata> Message-ID: <20160901091322.781f08a6@hexagon.home.karmasailing.uk> On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 22:48:02 +0100 Paul wrote: > On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 19:13:21 +0100 > Bob Williams wrote: > > > I would like to use a more up to date version, so I've followed the > > instructions to git-clone the claws mail repository. However, when I > > do ./autogen.sh or ./configure I get the following error > > > > 19:02 bob at hexagon:~/git_repos/claws> ./autogen.sh > > ./autogen.sh: line 39: aclocal: command not found > > /home/bob/git_repos/claws/configure: line 2: syntax error near > > unexpected token `2.59' > > /home/bob/git_repos/claws/configure: line 2: `AC_PREREQ(2.59)' > > > > What do I need to do to get past this blockage? > > You are missing the auto-tools or your versions are too old. e.g. > autoconf, libtool, automake, bison, flex, and so on. > > > aclocal: command not found > > This is missing libtool > > > AC_PREREQ(2.59) > > This is the minimum required version of autoconf. > > Try the release tarball here: http://www.claws-mail.org/releases.php > It has less requirements than a git build. > > with regards > > Paul > Many thanks. I'll try the release tarball. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Thu Sep 1 13:02:56 2016 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 12:02:56 +0100 Subject: [Users] broken links in emails In-Reply-To: <20160831204957.2d820bda@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160830211444.3a2d7231@acer-suse.lan> <20160830212056.0502d1e4@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160830213918.6f18d38d@acer-suse.lan> <20160830223351.00003a20@prost.fenrir.org.uk> <20160831204957.2d820bda@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160901120256.0000551f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 20:49:57 +0100 Dave Howorth wrote: > > > Oh, Claws Mail version 3.12.0 > > > > Works perfectly for me too, both Brad and I are using Claws 3.14.0 > > or a later git version. > > > > I think it will work if you upgrade. > > Thanks. I'm using the version that comes with my distro and I > generally prefer to do that rather than use other sources for apps. > Is there a known bug in the version I am using that was fixed in > making the newer version? Then I could ask the distro to patch it. > > Cheers, Dave I would suggest reading the Changelog file in the Claws-Mail tarball for 3.14.0, it will tell you everything that has been done since 3.12.0, it's a long list... -- Brian Morrison From dustbiz at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 18:11:37 2016 From: dustbiz at gmail.com (Dustin) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 22:11:37 +0600 Subject: [Users] Moving /.claws-mail Directory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Sep 1 19:43:46 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 17:43:46 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2918] Notification Popup icon is hardcoded In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2918 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #4 from users at lists.claws-mail.org --- Changes related to this bug have been committed. Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly. You can also get the patch from: http://git.claws-mail.org/ ++ ChangeLog 2016-09-01 19:42:02.941825457 +0200 http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=d3b60aded0edcd3ef3ea1cd725b7149779c685f4 Merge: a10423d db2ee15 Author: Colin Leroy Date: Thu Sep 1 19:42:02 2016 +0200 Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=db2ee150ef10f77d1b724a9cdf93df890cafc534 Author: Ricardo Mones Date: Thu Sep 1 19:40:31 2016 +0200 Fix bug #2918: Notification Popup icon is hardcoded Also fixes last part of bug #3437 by removing the call to deprecated function gdk_pixbuf_new_from_inline and not using a raw pixmap. http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=fcfeb30db6fb32972acb57aec3c8cde7978e8f0e Author: Ricardo Mones Date: Thu Sep 1 19:39:46 2016 +0200 Add 64x64 icon version to stock pixmaps Icon data purloined from last patch of #3437 by Christian Hesse. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Sep 1 19:49:10 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 17:49:10 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3437] various cleanups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3437 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #12 from users at lists.claws-mail.org --- Changes related to this bug have been committed. Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly. You can also get the patch from: http://git.claws-mail.org/ ++ ChangeLog 2016-09-01 19:42:02.941825457 +0200 http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=d3b60aded0edcd3ef3ea1cd725b7149779c685f4 Merge: a10423d db2ee15 Author: Colin Leroy Date: Thu Sep 1 19:42:02 2016 +0200 Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=db2ee150ef10f77d1b724a9cdf93df890cafc534 Author: Ricardo Mones Date: Thu Sep 1 19:40:31 2016 +0200 Fix bug #2918: Notification Popup icon is hardcoded Also fixes last part of bug #3437 by removing the call to deprecated function gdk_pixbuf_new_from_inline and not using a raw pixmap. http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=fcfeb30db6fb32972acb57aec3c8cde7978e8f0e Author: Ricardo Mones Date: Thu Sep 1 19:39:46 2016 +0200 Add 64x64 icon version to stock pixmaps Icon data purloined from last patch of #3437 by Christian Hesse. --- Comment #13 from Ricardo Mones --- (In reply to comment #11) > The last patch still hardcodes the icon, though in another format. (And it > has an extra issue: This does support transparency on/off only, no real > alpha channel, so icon borders are ugly.) Right, but that's a general problem of internal theme, not fixable until its format is switched to PNG (RFE #3488) or something better. > Probably it would be worth it installing the icon to /usr/share/icons/ and > selecting by name. Now is a stock icon, so is theme-able in PNG format, if somebody feels it's too ugly for their visual tastes :) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From dave at howorth.org.uk Thu Sep 1 23:32:00 2016 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 22:32:00 +0100 Subject: [Users] broken links in emails In-Reply-To: <20160831225113.7ef221f7@kujata> References: <20160830211444.3a2d7231@acer-suse.lan> <20160831083209.7954d523@kujata> <20160831205648.01ba4036@acer-suse.lan> <20160831213015.2efd7bbf@acer-suse.lan> <20160831225113.7ef221f7@kujata> Message-ID: <20160901223200.33a81c98@acer-suse.lan> On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 22:51:13 +0100 Paul wrote: > On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 21:30:15 +0100 > Dave Howorth wrote: > > > The claws FAQ says that this list is the place to come if you want > > to report bugs, but is that correct? > > Yes, it's correct. It's also the place to ask questions and give > answers. > > > How do I report this? > > You're doing it. > > Send me a copy of a message which has this problem, off-list, using > 'forward as attachment'. Thanks for the explanation, Paul. It seems clear that the problem is with xdg-open rather than with claws (or perhaps with some configuration that affects xdg-open), so I've taken the question to the openSUSE list. It's just the URL that matters, not the rest of the email. I'll let you know here when I eventually solve the issue. Cheers, Dave From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Sep 2 09:49:47 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2016 07:49:47 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3684] New: Socket error with POP3 using TLS client certificate Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3684 Bug ID: 3684 Summary: Socket error with POP3 using TLS client certificate Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.14.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: major Priority: P3 Component: POP3 Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: thomas-forum at orgis.org I am trying to access a POP3 account using a client certificate. The following works: shell$ openssl s_client -starttls pop3 -connect example.org:110 -key username.key -cert username.cert [...] Requested Signature Algorithms: RSA+SHA512:DSA+SHA512:ECDSA+SHA512:RSA+SHA384:DSA+SHA384:ECDSA+SHA384:RSA+SHA256:DSA+SHA256:ECDSA+SHA256:RSA+SHA224:DSA+SHA224:ECDSA+SHA224:RSA+SHA1:DSA+SHA1:ECDSA+SHA1 Shared Requested Signature Algorithms: RSA+SHA512:DSA+SHA512:ECDSA+SHA512:RSA+SHA384:DSA+SHA384:ECDSA+SHA384:RSA+SHA256:DSA+SHA256:ECDSA+SHA256:RSA+SHA224:DSA+SHA224:ECDSA+SHA224:RSA+SHA1:DSA+SHA1:ECDSA+SHA1 Peer signing digest: SHA512 Server Temp Key: ECDH, P-256, 256 bits --- SSL handshake has read 2939 bytes and written 1856 bytes --- New, TLSv1/SSLv3, Cipher is ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 Server public key is 2048 bit Secure Renegotiation IS supported Compression: zlib compression Expansion: zlib compression No ALPN negotiated SSL-Session: Protocol : TLSv1.2 Cipher : ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 Session-ID: [...] Session-ID-ctx: Master-Key: [...] Key-Arg : None PSK identity: None PSK identity hint: None SRP username: None TLS session ticket lifetime hint: 300 (seconds) TLS session ticket: [...] Compression: 1 (zlib compression) Start Time: 1472801489 Timeout : 300 (sec) Verify return code: 18 (self signed certificate) --- +OK Dovecot ready. USER username +OK PASS blabla +OK Logged in. LIST +OK 128 messages: 1 2120 2 13332 3 1040 [...] . QUIT DONE I tried using the client certificate in claws and failed so far. I figured out that I apparently need to concatenate the key and cert into one file, otherwise claws gives a parsing error. Now it seems to be happy with the key, but the connection fails with this debug output: ** Message: Account 'XXXXXXXX': Connecting to POP3 server: example.org:110... session.c:202:session (0x2b71d60): connected [09:45:05] POP3< +OK Dovecot ready. [09:45:05] POP3> STLS [09:45:06] POP3< +OK Begin TLS negotiation now. ssl.c:237:waiting for SSL_connect thread... passwordstore.c:184:Getting password 'recv_cert' from block (1/35) passwordstore.c:196:Password 'recv_cert' in block (1/35) not found. ssl_certificate.c:258:got 1 certs in crt_list! 0xXXXXXXXX ssl_certificate.c:315:got key! 0xXXXXXXX ssl.c:255:SSL_connect thread returned -50 ** (claws-mail:32617): WARNING **: SSL connection failed (The request is invalid.) ** (claws-mail:32617): WARNING **: couldn't start TLS session. session.c:376:session (0x2b71d60): closed Did I still do something wrong? Other people successfully fetch their mail from that server using mpop. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Sep 2 10:05:54 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2016 08:05:54 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3684] Socket error with POP3 using TLS client certificate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3684 --- Comment #1 from Paul --- Did you try it with gnutls-cli instead of openssl? Claws Mail uses GnuTLS and not OpenSSL. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From dustbiz at gmail.com Fri Sep 2 13:58:17 2016 From: dustbiz at gmail.com (Dustin) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 17:58:17 +0600 Subject: [Users] Moving /.claws-mail Directory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, just realized that I sent this reply as HTML yesterday, so am resending it as plain text for future convenience. ~Dustin > Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 09:00:49 +0200 From: Andrej Kacian > Subject: Re: [Users] Moving /.claws-mail Directory > On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 09:28:50 +0600 Dustin wrote: >> I'm looking for the best way to move the /.claws-mail directory from >> its default location to another location. > Hi, just move it to wherever you want, and use claws-mail's > --alternate-config-dir option to point the application to the new > location. > > Regards, > -- Andrej Thanks, Andrej, this is what I was looking for and you saved me a lot of time. There the solution was, "in plain sight". :) Your prompt, concise, and professional reply is much appreciated. In case it's helpful for other users, here's how I integrated this change into my desktop environment (DE) (after testing it via the terminal), with the end-goals of not needing to rely on a terminal command to start Claws Mail (CM), and avoiding confusion of menu shortcuts. Context: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, GNOME Flashback (Metacity) DE The ideal solution for me was to edit the application menu shortcut for CM by using the command sudo gedit /usr/share/applications/claws-mail.desktop to open the settings file for the CM menu shortcut (claws-mail.desktop) in a text editor (gedit) as root (sudo), and then change the line Exec=claws-mail %u to Exec=claws-mail --alternate-config-dir /path/to/desired/config/dir/location %u where "/path/to/desired/config/dir/location" was the path to the location where I had copied the /.claws-mail directory. If you prefer, you can add a CM launcher to the panel by using Alt + R-click to get your panel options, choosing to copy the app menu shortcut and then making the same change as above to the command string. If you like desktop shortcuts, there's also a way to do that, although I didn't bother testing it. If you choose either of the two latter approaches and don't want to be confused by the CM menu shortcut, there's also a way that can be deleted. Good chance there are also one or more GUIs out there that can make the above edits for those who aren't into editing system files. And if you're on a different distro or using a different DE or windows manager, you should be able to figure out how to do the same/similar thing by spending a bit of time in the relevant docs. (The details will likely be different than above, but the "theory" will likely be similar.) As a further note, if for some reason CM can't find the /.claws-mail directory at the place where it's been told to look, it will simply throw an error (only in the terminal) and not start. After this, once it is able to find it again, it will open normally without any ill effects from the previous failed attempt. I plan to stay subscribed to this list, so feel free to let me know if you have any follow-up questions/comments on this. Dustin From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Sep 2 14:05:45 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 13:05:45 +0100 Subject: [Users] Moving /.claws-mail Directory In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <20160902130545.18ad9c8a@kujata> On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 17:58:17 +0600 Dustin wrote: > Sorry, just realized that I sent this reply as HTML yesterday Yeah, thunderbird will do that :-) with regards Paul From dave at howorth.org.uk Fri Sep 2 20:16:51 2016 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 19:16:51 +0100 Subject: [Users] broken links in emails In-Reply-To: <20160901223200.33a81c98@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160830211444.3a2d7231@acer-suse.lan> <20160831083209.7954d523@kujata> <20160831205648.01ba4036@acer-suse.lan> <20160831213015.2efd7bbf@acer-suse.lan> <20160831225113.7ef221f7@kujata> <20160901223200.33a81c98@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160902191651.0acb9cf1@acer-suse.lan> On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 22:32:00 +0100 Dave Howorth wrote: > On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 22:51:13 +0100 > Paul wrote: > > > On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 21:30:15 +0100 > > Dave Howorth wrote: > > > > > The claws FAQ says that this list is the place to come if you want > > > to report bugs, but is that correct? > > > > Yes, it's correct. It's also the place to ask questions and give > > answers. > > > > > How do I report this? > > > > You're doing it. > > > > Send me a copy of a message which has this problem, off-list, using > > 'forward as attachment'. > > Thanks for the explanation, Paul. > > It seems clear that the problem is with xdg-open rather than with > claws (or perhaps with some configuration that affects xdg-open), so > I've taken the question to the openSUSE list. It's just the URL that > matters, not the rest of the email. > > I'll let you know here when I eventually solve the issue. There's a bug in the version of xdg-utils that openSUSE shipped with LEAP 42.1 (it was 1.1.0 rc3 and the bug is fixed in 1.1.0 and 1.1.1). I've bug-reported it against LEAP. Thanks for the help here and sorry for initially blaming claws. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Sep 2 22:26:26 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2016 20:26:26 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3684] Socket error with POP3 using TLS client certificate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3684 --- Comment #2 from Thomas Orgis --- It also works with gnutls-cli: shell$ gnutls-cli -s -p 110 --insecure --x509keyfile=username.key --x509certfile=username.cert example.org Processed 0 CA certificate(s). Processed 1 client X.509 certificates... Resolving 'example.org'... Connecting to '123.123.123.123'... - Simple Client Mode: +OK Dovecot ready. stls +OK Begin TLS negotiation now. *** Starting TLS handshake - Certificate type: X.509 - Got a certificate list of 1 certificates. - Certificate[0] info: [...] - Status: The certificate is NOT trusted. The certificate issuer is unknown. The name in the certificate does not match the expected. *** PKI verification of server certificate failed... - Successfully sent 1 certificate(s) to server. - Description: (TLS1.2)-(ECDHE-RSA-SECP256R1)-(AES-256-GCM) - Session ID: [...] - Ephemeral EC Diffie-Hellman parameters - Using curve: SECP256R1 - Curve size: 256 bits - Version: TLS1.2 - Key Exchange: ECDHE-RSA - Server Signature: RSA-SHA256 - Client Signature: RSA-SHA512 - Cipher: AES-256-GCM - MAC: AEAD - Compression: NULL - Options: safe renegotiation, USER username +OK PASS blabla +OK Logged in. list +OK 148 messages: 1 2120 2 13332 3 1040 4 995 5 1280 6 29042 [...] . quit +OK Logging out. - Peer has closed the GnuTLS connection -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Sep 3 09:52:52 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2016 07:52:52 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3684] Socket error with POP3 using TLS client certificate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3684 --- Comment #3 from Paul --- Did you use the 'Client certificates' options in the Account Preferences on the SSL page? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Sep 3 13:07:24 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2016 11:07:24 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3684] Socket error with POP3 using TLS client certificate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3684 --- Comment #4 from Thomas Orgis --- Yes, that is where I put in the path to the file containing the key and cert (concatenated). The key is not protected by a passphrase, so the password field is empty. When I only put in the cert file, claws gives a parsing error and the failure is different. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Sep 3 13:08:45 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2016 11:08:45 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3684] Socket error with POP3 using TLS client certificate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3684 --- Comment #5 from Thomas Orgis --- And: Blocking or non-blocking SSL does not make a difference. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Sep 3 16:27:56 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2016 14:27:56 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3684] Socket error with POP3 using TLS client certificate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3684 --- Comment #6 from Paul --- You're using the STARTTLS option in claws-mail? Perhaps if you provide all the necessary details in relation to the server someone can test. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Sep 3 17:54:19 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2016 15:54:19 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3684] Socket error with POP3 using TLS client certificate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3684 --- Comment #7 from Thomas Orgis --- Yes, I am using STARTTLS in claws-mail, with port 110. I thought that is obvious from the openssl and gnutls tests als well as the debug log: [09:45:05] POP3> STLS [09:45:06] POP3< +OK Begin TLS negotiation now. What settings are missing? This is a dovecot server that accepts client certificates, I tried all variations of options in claws (STARTTLS, non-blocking) … I don't see any further settings to tweak. Perhaps somebody can provide logs from a working session with client certificates so that one can spot a difference (probably also the gnutls-cli test to see details about the encryption). So far I only have a report from another user trying claws-mail with that very same server and the same results. I do not have prior experience with client certificates for mail, nor other servers to test. People report success using mpop with this server. I hoped to be able to use claws to fetch from that account together with all the others. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From claws-mail at fy3.co.uk Sun Sep 4 00:37:28 2016 From: claws-mail at fy3.co.uk (Chris Hirst) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 23:37:28 +0100 Subject: [Users] Error extracting 3.14.0 Message-ID: <20160903233728.3800fe52@chris-main> Hi, Getting errors when extracting 3.14.0 tarball download, SHA-256 signature matches. same error on .gz, .xz, .bz, .bz2 Last lines of tar extract; ******************************************************************************** claws-mail-3.14.0/src/action.c xz: (stdin): Unexpected end of input tar: Unexpected EOF in archive tar: Unexpected EOF in archive tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now ********************************************************************************* git clone fails on remote end compression; ********************************************************************************* Cloning into 'claws'... remote: Counting objects: 101030, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (17387/17387), done. error: RPC failed; result=18, HTTP code = 200MiB | 63.00 KiB/s fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly88 MiB | 63.00 KiB/s fatal: early EOF fatal: index-pack failed ********************************************************************************* PPA is also two years out of date, (October 2014) at ver 3.11.1 Chris Hirst. From dustbiz at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 02:18:21 2016 From: dustbiz at gmail.com (Dustin) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 06:18:21 +0600 Subject: [Users] Moving /.claws-mail Directory In-Reply-To: <20160902130545.18ad9c8a@kujata> References: <20160902130545.18ad9c8a@kujata> Message-ID: <72152037-0b50-4dc2-57d7-01c9d217cf10@gmail.com> > On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 17:58:17 +0600 > Dustin > wrote: > > >/Sorry, just realized that I sent this reply as HTML yesterday / > Yeah, thunderbird will do that :-) Yeah. :) Was quite happy to find the handy feature where I could specify that this address always wants messages as 'plain text'. Now if TB will just flawlessly remember the setting forever... ;) ~Dustin From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Sep 4 02:47:35 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 02:47:35 +0200 Subject: [Users] Error extracting 3.14.0 In-Reply-To: <20160903233728.3800fe52@chris-main> References: <20160903233728.3800fe52@chris-main> Message-ID: <20160904024735.2199267a@utnubu> On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 23:37:28 +0100, Chris Hirst wrote: >Getting errors when extracting 3.14.0 tarball download Hi, I can't confirm an issue, works fine for me. [weremouse at moonstudio tmp]$ wget http://www.claws-mail.org//releases/claws-mail-3.14.0.tar.gz [weremouse at moonstudio tmp]$ tar vxf claws-mail-3.14.0.tar.gz claws-mail-3.14.0/ claws-mail-3.14.0/TODO claws-mail-3.14.0/ChangeLog claws-mail-3.14.0/COPYING [snip] claws-mail-3.14.0/RELEASE_NOTES claws-mail-3.14.0/claws-mail-128x128.png claws-mail-3.14.0/claws-mail.desktop claws-mail-3.14.0/claws-mail-64x64.png claws-mail-3.14.0/configure [weremouse at moonstudio tmp]$ cd claws-mail-3.14.0/ [weremouse at moonstudio claws-mail-3.14.0]$ ls ABOUT-NLS ChangeLog.2.0.0-3.0.0 claws-features.h.in claws-mail.png COPYING Makefile.in RELEASE_NOTES aclocal.m4 ChangeLog.3.0.0-3.9.0 claws-mail-128x128.png config doc manual src AUTHORS ChangeLog.gtk1 claws-mail-64x64.png config.h.in INSTALL NEWS TODO autogen.sh ChangeLog.pre2.0.0 claws-mail.desktop configure m4 po tools ChangeLog claws-features.h claws-mail.pc.in configure.ac Makefile.am README version [weremouse at moonstudio claws-mail-3.14.0]$ cat version echo 3.14.0 >git clone fails on remote end compression; I don't experience an issue with git. 1. Claws 3.14.0 ======================================================== [weremouse at moonstudio tmp]$ git clone git://git.claws-mail.org/claws.git Cloning into 'claws'... remote: Counting objects: 101030, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (17387/17387), done. remote: Total 101030 (delta 86952), reused 96816 (delta 83489) Receiving objects: 100% (101030/101030), 44.10 MiB | 713.00 KiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (86952/86952), done. Checking connectivity... done. [weremouse at moonstudio tmp]$ cd claws/ [weremouse at moonstudio claws]$ git checkout 3fc1678 Note: checking out '3fc1678'. [snip] [weremouse at moonstudio claws]$ ./autogen.sh [snip] [weremouse at moonstudio claws]$ cat version echo 3.14.0 2. Claws 3.14.0-61-g6809ce ============================================= [weremouse at moonstudio tmp]$ git clone git://git.claws-mail.org/claws.git Cloning into 'claws'... remote: Counting objects: 101030, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (17387/17387), done. remote: Total 101030 (delta 86952), reused 96816 (delta 83489) Receiving objects: 100% (101030/101030), 44.10 MiB | 714.00 KiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (86952/86952), done. Checking connectivity... done. [weremouse at moonstudio tmp]$ cd claws/ [weremouse at moonstudio claws]$ git pull --all Fetching origin Already up-to-date. [weremouse at moonstudio claws]$ ./autogen.sh [snip] [weremouse at moonstudio claws]$ cat version echo 3.14.0-61-g6809ce Regards, Ralf From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sun Sep 4 05:52:53 2016 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 20:52:53 -0700 Subject: [Users] Error extracting 3.14.0 In-Reply-To: <20160903233728.3800fe52@chris-main> References: <20160903233728.3800fe52@chris-main> Message-ID: <20160903205253.40bae0f8@whynot.keepingdreams.org> On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 23:37:28 +0100 Chris Hirst wrote: >Hi, > >Getting errors when extracting 3.14.0 tarball download, SHA-256 signature matches. > >same error on .gz, .xz, .bz, .bz2 > >Last lines of tar extract; > >******************************************************************************** >claws-mail-3.14.0/src/action.c >xz: (stdin): Unexpected end of input >tar: Unexpected EOF in archive >tar: Unexpected EOF in archive >tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now > >********************************************************************************* > >git clone fails on remote end compression; > >********************************************************************************* >Cloning into 'claws'... >remote: Counting objects: 101030, done. >remote: Compressing objects: 100% (17387/17387), done. >error: RPC failed; result=18, HTTP code = 200MiB | 63.00 KiB/s >fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly88 MiB | 63.00 KiB/s >fatal: early EOF >fatal: index-pack failed >********************************************************************************* > >PPA is also two years out of date, (October 2014) at ver 3.11.1 > > >Chris Hirst. I got errors like that when my drive ran out of space. There was nothing referring to lack of space, just errors trying to extract a file. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Sep 4 08:42:09 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 08:42:09 +0200 Subject: [Users] Error extracting 3.14.0 In-Reply-To: <20160903205253.40bae0f8@whynot.keepingdreams.org> References: <20160903233728.3800fe52@chris-main> <20160903205253.40bae0f8@whynot.keepingdreams.org> Message-ID: <20160904084209.1ae02e84@utnubu> On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 20:52:53 -0700, Charlie Kravetz wrote: >I got errors like that when my drive ran out of space. There was >nothing referring to lack of space, just errors trying to extract a >file. Hi, on a hard disk drive partition there might be enough space, but assuming that /tmp is a tmpfs and the OP downloaded to /tmp, the default value of half of the available RAM perhaps was completely used. Checking available space could be done by running df -h If it should be wanted to assigned more RAM to tmpfs, it could be done by an /etc/fstab entry tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nodev,nosuid,size=3G 0 0 The value "3" is just an example and should be replaced by any other value. I don't know if mount -a does the job or if it requires to reboot. However, the OP neither posted the commands that were used to download the files, nor mentioned from where the OP tried to download, we only saw a few snippets of output. Regards, Ralf From sylpheed at 911networks.com Mon Sep 5 19:54:10 2016 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 10:54:10 -0700 Subject: [Users] View replied message Message-ID: <20160905105410.25877b36@frogguski.911networks.com> Hi, CM 3.14 on arch. I have a message in a folder with the mark: replied. Is there a quick way of seeing my reply to his message. I want to just click on ... and it sends me to the proper message/my reply in the sent folder. Right now I copy the email address, select the sent folder, filter by to: and then eyeball for the correct date to find my reply to that message. -- sknahT vyS From silver.bullet at zoho.com Mon Sep 5 20:02:25 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:02:25 +0200 Subject: [Users] View replied message In-Reply-To: <20160905105410.25877b36@frogguski.911networks.com> References: <20160905105410.25877b36@frogguski.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20160905200225.772f8495@utnubu> On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 10:54:10 -0700, sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: >I have a message in a folder with the mark: replied. > >Is there a quick way of seeing my reply to his message. Click the "replied"-icon. Regards, Ralf From silver.bullet at zoho.com Mon Sep 5 20:05:02 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:05:02 +0200 Subject: [Users] View replied message In-Reply-To: <20160905200225.772f8495@utnubu> References: <20160905105410.25877b36@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160905200225.772f8495@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160905200502.44574b7d@utnubu> On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:02:25 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 10:54:10 -0700, sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: >>I have a message in a folder with the mark: replied. >> >>Is there a quick way of seeing my reply to his message. > >Click the "replied"-icon. PS: It's the status icon, perhaps what you call "mark: replied". From silver.bullet at zoho.com Mon Sep 5 20:08:24 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:08:24 +0200 Subject: [Users] View replied message In-Reply-To: <20160905200502.44574b7d@utnubu> References: <20160905105410.25877b36@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160905200225.772f8495@utnubu> <20160905200502.44574b7d@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160905200824.17be20f1@utnubu> On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:05:02 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:02:25 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 10:54:10 -0700, sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: >>>I have a message in a folder with the mark: replied. >>> >>>Is there a quick way of seeing my reply to his message. >> >>Click the "replied"-icon. > >PS: It's the status icon, perhaps what you call "mark: replied". PPS: After moving a message by drag and drop to another folder, this feature doesn't work anymore. From sylpheed at 911networks.com Mon Sep 5 20:33:13 2016 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 11:33:13 -0700 Subject: [Users] View replied message In-Reply-To: <20160905200502.44574b7d@utnubu> References: <20160905105410.25877b36@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160905200225.772f8495@utnubu> <20160905200502.44574b7d@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160905113313.07deb2aa@frogguski.911networks.com> On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:05:02 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>Click the "replied"-icon. > >PS: It's the status icon, perhaps what you call "mark: replied". I didn't know that it was clickable: the mouse cursor doesn't change shape. Just I noticed that if I pause the cursor on the icon, the help message says: "Replied - click to see reply" Thank you for the great help! -- sknahT vyS From silver.bullet at zoho.com Mon Sep 5 23:14:17 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 23:14:17 +0200 Subject: [Users] View replied message In-Reply-To: <20160905113313.07deb2aa@frogguski.911networks.com> References: <20160905105410.25877b36@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160905200225.772f8495@utnubu> <20160905200502.44574b7d@utnubu> <20160905113313.07deb2aa@frogguski.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20160905231417.1cfe947d@utnubu> On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 11:33:13 -0700, sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: >On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 20:05:02 +0200 >Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >>>Click the "replied"-icon. >> >>PS: It's the status icon, perhaps what you call "mark: replied". > >I didn't know that it was clickable: the mouse cursor doesn't change >shape. Just I noticed that if I pause the cursor on the icon, the help >message says: > >"Replied - click to see reply" > >Thank you for the great help! You're welcome! Ralf From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Sep 6 02:44:23 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 00:44:23 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3685] New: first HTML render of a session is retained Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3685 Bug ID: 3685 Summary: first HTML render of a session is retained Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: other Hardware: PC OS: OpenBSD Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Plugins/Gtkhtml2 Viewer Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: girarde at alum.rpi.edu Oncew I view a message in HTML, all other messages for which HTML view is selected display the first message's view. I'm running the 4 Sep Snapshot on amd64. This has actually been going on for quite a while. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Sep 6 09:37:14 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 07:37:14 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3685] first HTML render of a session is retained In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3685 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #1 from Paul --- The GtkHtml2 Viewer plugin was dropped quite some ago and is no longer supported. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Sep 7 12:12:05 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2016 10:12:05 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3511] Color spot displaced when selecting list item In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3511 --- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones --- Created attachment 1682 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1682&action=edit Removal of supposed workaround Funny enough, seems there is a workaround for this (supposedly GTK+) bug already in the code. The workaround seems to have stopped working at some point since it was added on 2005¹. The attached patch just removes this useless code. Please test, although so far I've noticed no change without this code. If nobody yells I'll push it to master before next release... ;-) ¹http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=e90e8172 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Sep 7 12:56:43 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2016 10:56:43 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3686] New: Possible printing bug Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3686 Bug ID: 3686 Summary: Possible printing bug Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail (Windows) Version: GIT Hardware: PC OS: Windows 10 Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: default Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: gerard.seibert at gmail.com claws-mail version 3.14.0-39-g986e6f-dirty Windows 10 Pro / 64 I am not sure if this is a bug or is a design feature/flaw. I can only confirm that it happens on a Windows machine. 1) Open an email 2) Highlight (select) part of the text 3) Click 4) Click The highlighting disappears and the "selection" under "Page Range" is greyed out. Is this by design or is this a bug? If by design, then why? Thanks -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Sep 8 09:13:53 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 07:13:53 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2524] dragable zoomed picture in image viewer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2524 MSulchan Darmawan changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Version|3.7.9 |3.14.0 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Sep 8 11:45:44 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 09:45:44 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 1643] favorites folders and most used In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1643 --- Comment #1 from Niklas Larsson --- Would like this feature as well, with the added option of: - view only folders with unread mail -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Sep 8 12:28:07 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 10:28:07 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3687] New: Missing new addresses Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3687 Bug ID: 3687 Summary: Missing new addresses Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.14.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: trivial Priority: P3 Component: Plugins/AddressKeeper Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Hi, sometimes new addresses are only shown in the address book after restarting Claws. I noticed it for versions <= 3.14. Currently for 3.14.0-2-ge48b73. Regards, Ralf -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Sep 8 12:34:18 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 10:34:18 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3687] Missing new addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3687 --- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian --- What do you consider "new address" in this context? Address added in past X minutes? Address added using some mechanism/feature during current session? How exactly does one reproduce what you're describing? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Sep 8 12:42:12 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 10:42:12 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3686] Possible printing bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3686 Andrej Kacian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|default |UI Product|Claws Mail (Windows) |Claws Mail OS|Windows 10 |All --- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian --- There are in fact two separate topics here: The "selection" in print dialog is disabled because we do not use the feature[1] - in other words, a selection is not made available to the printing subsystem. See https://developer.gnome.org/gtk2/2.24/gtk2-High-level-Printing-API.html#GtkPrintOperation--support-selection for details. I tested the selection disappearance under both Linux and Windows, and I see something different than you: On Linux, the selection indeed disappears as soon as the print dialog appears, but on Windows the selection remains. This might be due to the fact that on Windows, native print dialog is used instead of GTK's print dialog, so I'm guessing it doesn't mess with the selection, or something like that. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Sep 8 12:46:58 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 10:46:58 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3687] Missing new addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3687 --- Comment #2 from Andrej Kacian --- Neve(In reply to comment #1) > What do you consider "new address" in this context? Address added in past X > minutes? Address added using some mechanism/feature during current session? Nevermind, I haven't noticed that this is for the Address Keeper plugin. Sorry. :) I still would like to know how exactly to reproduce this. I tried several times, with various "kinds" of e-mail addresses, but they seem to always be added just fine. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Sep 8 13:13:59 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 11:13:59 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3687] Missing new addresses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3687 --- Comment #3 from Ralf Mardorf --- This happens randomly. Today after closing Claws and reopening it, a new mailing list address was shown. I don't remember if always a mailing list is involved. I don't think so, but it at least happens very often for mailing list addresses. A mail was send "To:" a mailing list that isn't available in the address book. Perhaps an address that once was already in the address book, but then deleted, because I seldom use this mailing list. After the mail was sent, it wasn't shown in the address book, but it was displayed, as soon as Claws was restarted. I never reported it as a bug, since I consider the severity _very_ trivial. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Sep 8 13:22:39 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 11:22:39 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3686] Possible printing bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3686 --- Comment #2 from Gerard Seibert --- (In reply to comment #1) > There are in fact two separate topics here: > > The "selection" in print dialog is disabled because we do not use the > feature[1] - in other words, a selection is not made available to the > printing subsystem. See > https://developer.gnome.org/gtk2/2.24/gtk2-High-level-Printing-API. > html#GtkPrintOperation--support-selection for details. > > I tested the selection disappearance under both Linux and Windows, and I see > something different than you: On Linux, the selection indeed disappears as > soon as the print dialog appears, but on Windows the selection remains. This > might be due to the fact that on Windows, native print dialog is used > instead of GTK's print dialog, so I'm guessing it doesn't mess with the > selection, or something like that. I do not understand why we are experiencing different responses here. I again checked, and indeed the "selection" disappeared as soon as I clicked . I am referring to the order and NOT the print command in the actual print menu. Would it be possible to enable this feature or is that not possible? I believe it is a feature that is well worth having if possible. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Sep 8 13:52:30 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 11:52:30 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3686] Possible printing bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3686 --- Comment #3 from Andrej Kacian --- I think I found the culprit. The selection indeed disappears from plaintext e-mails, but does not disappear from HTML e-mails - no matter whether it's on the HTML-rendered Fancy view, or the default HTML-as-plaintext view. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Sep 8 14:16:55 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2016 12:16:55 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3686] Possible printing bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3686 --- Comment #4 from Gerard Seibert --- (In reply to comment #3) > I think I found the culprit. The selection indeed disappears from plaintext > e-mails, but does not disappear from HTML e-mails - no matter whether it's > on the HTML-rendered Fancy view, or the default HTML-as-plaintext view. I never thought to analyze it that closely. I virtually never try to print HTML emails anyway, although it has happened occasionally. By the way, I can confirm that it only happens on "plain text" messages. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From jeremy.schneider at ardentperf.com Fri Sep 9 02:19:30 2016 From: jeremy.schneider at ardentperf.com (Jeremy Schneider) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 19:19:30 -0500 Subject: [Users] epel7 Message-ID: anyone here using claws on rhel7? i notice that the package in epel7 is still "testing" state; guess there was a build problem a few years ago that never got resolved? -Jeremy -- http://about.me/jeremy_schneider From lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net Fri Sep 9 03:37:11 2016 From: lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net (Richard) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 01:37:11 +0000 Subject: [Users] epel7 Message-ID: > Date: Thursday, September 08, 2016 19:19:30 -0500 > From: Jeremy Schneider > > anyone here using claws on rhel7? i notice that the package in epel7 > is still "testing" state; guess there was a build problem a few > years ago that never got resolved? > I'm using 3.11.1-4 (built late february 2015) from the nux-dextop repo on Centos-7 systems. It looks like epel has -5 in testing. Based on the fedora project package build status: that appears to be the last version built for el7. From info at 52midnight.com Fri Sep 9 06:12:17 2016 From: info at 52midnight.com (52midnight) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 12:12:17 +0800 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. Message-ID: I've just started with ClawsMail and am confused by the To: Cc: etc boxes. I enter an address in the To: box, then change the following line to Cc: As soon as I start entering an address, BOTH boxes change to Cc:, deleting the To: field. I'm using LXDE on Debian 8.2. Would much appreciate any advice as to what's going on. 52midnight From silver.bullet at zoho.com Fri Sep 9 06:25:12 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 06:25:12 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 12:12:17 +0800, 52midnight wrote: >I've just started with ClawsMail and am confused by the To: Cc: etc >boxes. > >I enter an address in the To: box, then change the following line to >Cc: As soon as I start entering an address, BOTH boxes change to Cc:, >deleting the To: field. > >I'm using LXDE on Debian 8.2. Would much appreciate any advice as to >what's going on. Hi, no you're missing the scroll bar at the right side. Regards, Ralf PS: In this case it's unimportant, but as a general note, you should provide the information what version of Claws you are using, Help > About. From info at 52midnight.com Fri Sep 9 06:53:21 2016 From: info at 52midnight.com (52midnight) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 14:53:21 +1000 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> Message-ID: <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> > no you're missing the scroll bar at the right side. Ah! Stupid of me. I did look at it but it hadn't moved, and my brief attempt at moving it obviously didn't do the job. Many thanks and sorry to trouble you. 52midnight. BTW, it looks very good - like the modular design. From rainer.friedrich at reutlingen-university.de Fri Sep 9 15:51:05 2016 From: rainer.friedrich at reutlingen-university.de (Rainer R. Friedrich) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 15:51:05 +0200 Subject: [Users] Import LDIF from Thunderbird Message-ID: <42651c8a-8956-03ec-520e-a0eef18c363a@reutlingen-university.de> Hello, i tried to import a LDIF-File from Thunderbird. It contains groupOfnames, this groups will be created, but the contain not the mail adresses after importing into claws. Is there a way to achieve a complete import? 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In fancy_viewer.c resource_request_starting_cb(), the 2nd last statement is: webkit_network_request_set_uri(request, uri); Each time it is executed, the --debug log outputs: ** (cm:22671): CRITICAL **: void webkit_network_request_set_uri(WebKitNetworkRequest*, const gchar*): assertion 'soupURI' failed I made the mistake of pulling(git) Webkit -- 8.5GB! Can someone give me a clue as to what might be triggering that message? - version? - wrong call? - API change? - ...? I've had a number of exchanges with Salvatore De Paolis; but we haven't gotten further in finding the problem. During our exchanges, I did notice that mouse_over on a Fancy displayed https:// link, CM displays http:// below the message pane. I could use a patch to allow me to debug_print what is sent to webkit... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From dave at howorth.org.uk Fri Sep 9 22:38:59 2016 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 21:38:59 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> Message-ID: <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> On Fri, 09 Sep 2016 14:53:21 +1000 52midnight wrote: > > no you're missing the scroll bar at the right side. > > Ah! Stupid of me. I did look at it but it hadn't moved, and my brief > attempt at moving it obviously didn't do the job. No, it's not your problem. I had exactly the same problem. It's poor interface design. Even now, I've only just noticed that when I do reply to all on this mailing list, it literally does that but doesn't show me unless I know I have to scroll to check. So apologies to everybody I've spammed with double copies. Given how compactly claws displays addresses in received mail, I'm surprised it can't display some warning that there are other recipients, or list them explicitly, or even start the scroll box at the top. Or pretty much anything but it's current behaviour. (sorry, clearly I believe that claws is better than the alternatives, because otherwise I wouldn't use it, but there's always room for improvement). Cheers, Dave > Many thanks and sorry to trouble you. > > 52midnight. > > BTW, it looks very good - like the modular design. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Sep 9 22:43:59 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 21:43:59 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160909214359.2c3600bc@kujata> On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 21:38:59 +0100 Dave Howorth wrote: > Or pretty much anything but it's current behaviour. The 3.14.0 release notes tell us: * Compose window: Removed the outer scrollbar from header area. with regards Paul From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Sep 9 23:03:31 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 21:03:31 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3682] some senders moving from http to https for remote content; Fancy does not display this In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3682 --- Comment #5 from Salvatore De Paolis --- Hi Pierre, try to check your libsoup version. It might be there the issue -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From dave at howorth.org.uk Sat Sep 10 00:33:10 2016 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 23:33:10 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160909214359.2c3600bc@kujata> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> <20160909214359.2c3600bc@kujata> Message-ID: <20160909233310.66843918@acer-suse.lan> On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 21:43:59 +0100 Paul wrote: > On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 21:38:59 +0100 > Dave Howorth wrote: > > > Or pretty much anything but it's current behaviour. > > The 3.14.0 release notes tell us: > > * Compose window: Removed the outer scrollbar from header area. Thanks, I hope that is good news. Unfortunately the version that the latest version of my distro ships is 3.12.0 so I'll have to wait a while. > with regards > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sat Sep 10 00:49:20 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 00:49:20 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160909233310.66843918@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> <20160909214359.2c3600bc@kujata> <20160909233310.66843918@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160910004920.631d8aa1@utnubu> On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 23:33:10 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: >Unfortunately the version that the latest version of my distro ships >is 3.12.0 so I'll have to wait a while. Hi, most likely you could build Claws without issues, since it doesn't has got a problematic dependency chain, let alone that building Claws doesn't take very long, even on relatively slow hardware. Regards, Ralf From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sat Sep 10 01:26:31 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 01:26:31 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160910004920.631d8aa1@utnubu> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> <20160909214359.2c3600bc@kujata> <20160909233310.66843918@acer-suse.lan> <20160910004920.631d8aa1@utnubu> Message-ID: <1473463591.799.5.camel@zoho.com> On Sat, 2016-09-10 at 00:49 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 23:33:10 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: > > > > Unfortunately the version that the latest version of my distro ships > > is 3.12.0 so I'll have to wait a while. > > most likely you could build Claws without issues, since it doesn't has > got a problematic dependency chain, let alone that building Claws > doesn't take very long, even on relatively slow hardware. You could build claws after installing the required build dependencies ====================================================================== by running ========== git clone git://git.claws-mail.org/claws.git cd claws/ for 3.14.0 ========== git checkout 3fc1678 or for >= 3.14.0-69-gb274c7 =========================== git pull --all then continue (make clean isn't necessary when building for the first ===================================================================== time), copy the output of sh ./version, to paste it when running ================================================================ checkinstall. ============= make clean ./autogen.sh ./configure --disable-maintainer-mode --prefix=/usr --disable-static --enable-silent-rules --disable-jpilot --enable-enchant --enable-gnutls --enable-ldap --enable-crash-dialog --enable-pgpmime-plugin --enable-spamassassin-plugin --enable-bogofilter-plugin sh ./version make checkinstall likely works for Suse, too ======================================= sudo checkinstall From info at 52midnight.com Sat Sep 10 01:36:38 2016 From: info at 52midnight.com (52midnight) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:36:38 +1000 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160910093638.4b8abfd0@qbx> On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 21:38:59 +0100 Dave Howorth wrote: > No, it's not your problem. I had exactly the same problem. It's poor > interface design. That's most heartening - to know that you're open to sincere criticism. So many today take offence at anything other than praise. > (sorry, clearly I believe that claws is better than the alternatives, > because otherwise I wouldn't use it, but there's always room for > improvement). Yes; having been forced to abandon Opera, after trying Icedove (a.k.a. Thunderbox) which won't obey the LXDE Desktop settings, and Evolution which reported problems with its own backend without any other info, I've decided to chance it with Claws. > Or pretty much anything but it's current behaviour. My immediate criticism of the Compose window stems from the fact of my being a pre-rodent centenarian (well, almost). I could drive everything in Opera from opening the Compose window to sending it off WITHOUT EVER touching the mouse. With Claws I have to hit Tab so many times to get past the To: Cc: etc stuff that I lose count. I'm also a Perl Fundamentalist. I practise the Three Perl Virtues - Laziness, Impatience and Hubris - EVERY day. If you're not put off by my religious zeal I'd be happy to discuss improvements after getting the feel of Claws. Cheers Carl From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Sep 10 10:03:49 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:03:49 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160910093638.4b8abfd0@qbx> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> <20160910093638.4b8abfd0@qbx> Message-ID: <20160910090349.71ffb45d@kujata> On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:36:38 +1000 52midnight wrote: > With Claws I have to hit Tab so many times to get > past the To: Cc: etc stuff that I lose count. Using the down arrow key will get you to the message area more quickly. (Also note that shift+TAB moves in the opposite direction.) with regards Paul From dave at howorth.org.uk Sat Sep 10 10:55:07 2016 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:55:07 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160910004920.631d8aa1@utnubu> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> <20160909214359.2c3600bc@kujata> <20160909233310.66843918@acer-suse.lan> <20160910004920.631d8aa1@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160910095507.634936c0@acer-suse.lan> On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 00:49:20 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 23:33:10 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: > >Unfortunately the version that the latest version of my distro ships > >is 3.12.0 so I'll have to wait a while. > > Hi, > > most likely you could build Claws without issues, since it doesn't has > got a problematic dependency chain, let alone that building Claws > doesn't take very long, even on relatively slow hardware. The point is I don't want to build claws, or any other applications that I 'use' as opposed to develop. I prefer to use the hours in my days for other things. Cheers, Dave > Regards, > Ralf From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Sep 10 10:59:31 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:59:31 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160910095507.634936c0@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> <20160909214359.2c3600bc@kujata> <20160909233310.66843918@acer-suse.lan> <20160910004920.631d8aa1@utnubu> <20160910095507.634936c0@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160910095931.47ef6d76@kujata> On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:55:07 +0100 Dave Howorth wrote: > The point is I don't want to build claws, or any other applications > that I 'use' as opposed to develop. I prefer to use the hours in my > days for other things. It takes minutes rather than hours, but anyway, that won't change your mind. It seems that 3.14.0 should be available for you: https://software.opensuse.org/package/claws-mail with regards Paul From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sat Sep 10 12:15:08 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 12:15:08 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160910095931.47ef6d76@kujata> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> <20160909214359.2c3600bc@kujata> <20160909233310.66843918@acer-suse.lan> <20160910004920.631d8aa1@utnubu> <20160910095507.634936c0@acer-suse.lan> <20160910095931.47ef6d76@kujata> Message-ID: <20160910121508.7720cde7@utnubu> On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:59:31 +0100, Paul wrote: >It takes minutes rather than hours It takes a few minutes to compile, but just a few seconds to git checkout a commit or git pull --all and to start compiling. Even compiling Claws on old hardware, still allows to use the same computer for other tasks at the same time, let alone that after starting the compiling we still could use our dishwasher or drive our car. After compiling the computer even could automatically shutdown: make; shutdown -hP 28 From ricardo at mones.org Sat Sep 10 12:52:23 2016 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 12:52:23 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160910121508.7720cde7@utnubu> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> <20160909214359.2c3600bc@kujata> <20160909233310.66843918@acer-suse.lan> <20160910004920.631d8aa1@utnubu> <20160910095507.634936c0@acer-suse.lan> <20160910095931.47ef6d76@kujata> <20160910121508.7720cde7@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160910125223.7fadf214@busgosu> On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 12:15:08 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: […] > let alone that after starting the compiling we still could use our > dishwasher or drive our car […] Yeah, thanks for confirming. Isn't wonderful that the simulation we live within doesn't rely just on your computer to run? :-) Dif-tor heh smusma! -- Ricardo Mones ~ The three principal virtues of a programmer are Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris. man perl -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From dave at howorth.org.uk Sat Sep 10 14:52:59 2016 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 13:52:59 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160910095931.47ef6d76@kujata> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> <20160909214359.2c3600bc@kujata> <20160909233310.66843918@acer-suse.lan> <20160910004920.631d8aa1@utnubu> <20160910095507.634936c0@acer-suse.lan> <20160910095931.47ef6d76@kujata> Message-ID: <20160910135259.51b678e6@acer-suse.lan> On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:59:31 +0100 Paul wrote: > On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:55:07 +0100 > Dave Howorth wrote: > > > The point is I don't want to build claws, or any other applications > > that I 'use' as opposed to develop. I prefer to use the hours in my > > days for other things. > > It takes minutes rather than hours, but anyway, that won't change > your mind. It seems that 3.14.0 should be available for you: > > https://software.opensuse.org/package/claws-mail That displays Version 3.12.0 but that's what YaST has installed for me already, so I know that. Again, I'm not interested in versions other than the 'official' distro version. I have enough ways to wreck my machine without experimenting with basic software. I just want to use email. Cheers, Dave PS Carl, I'm a Perl Fundamentalist too. > with regards > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From 52midnight at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 17:08:45 2016 From: 52midnight at gmail.com (52midnight) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 01:08:45 +1000 Subject: [Users] Padding needed at left edge of Compose window. Message-ID: <20160911010845.24e57aea@qbx> My apologies to the Members of this list: seems my mail server was misconfigured. Thanks to Paul for advising me. Have resubscribed and hope to have fixed the problem. Please advise me if my posts cause you trouble. > Using the down arrow key will get you to the message area more quickly. Yes, thanks for that - much better. My first gripe should be easy to fix: no padding at the edges of the Compose window. Both text and cursor move hard to the left. The cursor is all but invisible, being a single-pixel-wide blinking line right against the window border, and the text looks clumsy. Can this be fixed? Carl From 52midnight at gmail.com Sat Sep 10 20:32:44 2016 From: 52midnight at gmail.com (52midnight) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 04:32:44 +1000 Subject: [Users] Claws fails to autostart under LXDE. Message-ID: <20160911043244.0ce88f63@qbx> My second gripe is a configuration issue that may not be entirely Claws fault. When first I installed it, it refused to start under LXDE using the standard procedure of inserting a link to the /usr/share/applications/ .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart/. I posted a thread at LxQ about it: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/problems-with-iceweasel-and-clawsmail-in-lxde-4175587963/ ... and finally solved it by using an xterm with an exec command. It was caused by the invocation line in the .desktop file: Exec=claws-mail %u Deleting the %u allowed it to start. Not sure just who gets to wear this, but my first reaction was to toss out Claws and try Evolution instead, which had worse problems. May well be that others have ditched it for the same reason. I've noticed other apps using capital-U - %U - but haven't investigated the Open Desktop standard parameter list. Carl From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Sep 10 22:39:27 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 21:39:27 +0100 Subject: [Users] Padding needed at left edge of Compose window. In-Reply-To: <20160911010845.24e57aea@qbx> References: <20160911010845.24e57aea@qbx> Message-ID: <20160910213927.42434242@kujata> On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 01:08:45 +1000 52midnight <52midnight at gmail.com> wrote: > My first gripe should be easy to fix: no padding at the edges of the > Compose window. Both text and cursor move hard to the left. The > cursor is all but invisible, being a single-pixel-wide blinking line > right against the window border, and the text looks clumsy. See the manual for hidden preference 'show_compose_margin' http://claws-mail.org/manual/claws-mail-manual.html#adv_hidden with regards Paul From 52midnight at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 01:01:05 2016 From: 52midnight at gmail.com (52midnight) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 09:01:05 +1000 Subject: [Users] Padding needed at left edge of Compose window. Message-ID: <20160911090105.19ee8585@qbx> On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 21:39:27 +0100 Paul wrote: > See the manual for hidden preference 'show_compose_margin' > http://claws-mail.org/manual/claws-mail-manual.html#adv_hidden Well, well! Easier to fix than I thought. Thanks again, Paul. Though I'm surprised this isn't the preferred default. Carl From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Sep 11 02:44:26 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 02:44:26 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160910135259.51b678e6@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> <20160909214359.2c3600bc@kujata> <20160909233310.66843918@acer-suse.lan> <20160910004920.631d8aa1@utnubu> <20160910095507.634936c0@acer-suse.lan> <20160910095931.47ef6d76@kujata> <20160910135259.51b678e6@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160911024426.0c78cf18@utnubu> On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 13:52:59 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: >On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:59:31 +0100 Paul wrote: >> https://software.opensuse.org/package/claws-mail > >That displays Version 3.12.0 but that's what YaST has installed for me >already, so I know that. For openSUSE Tumbleweed it also provides the "unstable" version 3.14.0. >Again, I'm not interested in versions other than the 'official' distro >version. I have enough ways to wreck my machine without experimenting >with basic software. They name it "unstable", because it's not part of the official release, but you can't compare Claws with bloated software that requires tons of latest dependencies. If you update Claws, you won't lose stability. Regards, Ralf From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Sep 11 03:02:49 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 03:02:49 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160911024426.0c78cf18@utnubu> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> <20160909214359.2c3600bc@kujata> <20160909233310.66843918@acer-suse.lan> <20160910004920.631d8aa1@utnubu> <20160910095507.634936c0@acer-suse.lan> <20160910095931.47ef6d76@kujata> <20160910135259.51b678e6@acer-suse.lan> <20160911024426.0c78cf18@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160911030249.6c926832@utnubu> On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 02:44:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 13:52:59 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: >>On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:59:31 +0100 Paul wrote: >>> https://software.opensuse.org/package/claws-mail >> >>That displays Version 3.12.0 but that's what YaST has installed for me >>already, so I know that. > >For openSUSE Tumbleweed it also provides the "unstable" version 3.14.0. Bizarre, they call Tumbleweed a rolling release :D. https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed However, the link provides also 3.14.0 for other Suse releases. Below the "Direct Install" link, is a link named "Show other versions". Then select a release and click "Show unstable packages". >>Again, I'm not interested in versions other than the 'official' distro >>version. I have enough ways to wreck my machine without experimenting >>with basic software. > >They name it "unstable", because it's not part of the official >release, but you can't compare Claws with bloated software that >requires tons of latest dependencies. If you update Claws, you won't >lose stability. From pf at pfortin.com Sun Sep 11 03:05:44 2016 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 21:05:44 -0400 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160911024426.0c78cf18@utnubu> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> <20160909214359.2c3600bc@kujata> <20160909233310.66843918@acer-suse.lan> <20160910004920.631d8aa1@utnubu> <20160910095507.634936c0@acer-suse.lan> <20160910095931.47ef6d76@kujata> <20160910135259.51b678e6@acer-suse.lan> <20160911024426.0c78cf18@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160910210544.054eeb35@pfortin.com> On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 02:44:26 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >If you update Claws, you won't lose stability. I can attest to that... been using Claws since Sylpheed-Claws, about 15 years ago. I update/build every release and many other times in between 'just because' and it's always been stable. Most issues are resolved/fixed quickly. The fastest fix I recall took about 2 minutes from the bug report to fix availability. Great dev team! From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Sep 11 03:18:53 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 03:18:53 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160910210544.054eeb35@pfortin.com> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> <20160909214359.2c3600bc@kujata> <20160909233310.66843918@acer-suse.lan> <20160910004920.631d8aa1@utnubu> <20160910095507.634936c0@acer-suse.lan> <20160910095931.47ef6d76@kujata> <20160910135259.51b678e6@acer-suse.lan> <20160911024426.0c78cf18@utnubu> <20160910210544.054eeb35@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20160911031853.3a0177de@utnubu> On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 21:05:44 -0400, Pierre Fortin wrote: >On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 02:44:26 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>If you update Claws, you won't lose stability. > >I can attest to that... been using Claws since Sylpheed-Claws, about >15 years ago. I update/build every release and many other times in >between 'just because' and it's always been stable. Most issues are >resolved/fixed quickly. The fastest fix I recall took about 2 minutes >from the bug report to fix availability. Actually when building from git it could cause issues. Usually it doesn't, but a while back there was an issue. However, when building an official upstream release, IOW "git checkout 3fc1678", this doesn't cause an issue. Assuming that the Suse link posted by Paul provides a binary, from original upstream source, that was compiled against dependencies of the official Suse release, this package unlikely is unstable and at least cannot make anything else unstable. From 52midnight at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 03:37:54 2016 From: 52midnight at gmail.com (52midnight) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 11:37:54 +1000 Subject: [Users] Claws fails to autostart under LXDE. Message-ID: <20160911113754.55d23e3a@qbx> FWIW, Iceweasel (Firefox) also has trouble with the %u parameter, which I assume should either be replaced or deleted by the Window Manager. However, it responds by trying to open it as a URL, and leaves you with a page containing a polite apology for being unable to do so. Deleting it removes the offending page, but Icedove (Thunderbox) then refuses to open links in Iceweasel. Seems like a better solution IMHO. Carl From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Sep 11 04:42:34 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 04:42:34 +0200 Subject: [Users] Claws fails to autostart under LXDE. In-Reply-To: <20160911113754.55d23e3a@qbx> References: <20160911113754.55d23e3a@qbx> Message-ID: <20160911044234.6df8c061@utnubu> On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 11:37:54 +1000, 52midnight wrote: >FWIW, Iceweasel (Firefox) also has trouble with the %u parameter, which >I assume should either be replaced or deleted by the Window Manager. I can't comment the behaviour of what you call the "standard procedure" for your desktop environment LXDE on what distro ever. However, what has got the autostart option of the window manager to do with it? What window manager are you using? Assuming it should be openbox (by LXDE upstream the recommended window manager), then autostart has nothing to do with desktop files at all. I'm not using a desktop environment, but I'm using openbox without a desktop environment. Openbox has got a file for autostart, it does not care about a directory such as .config/autostart/. Archlinux: [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ cat .config/openbox/autostart ~/.customization/edit-menu-app-version-entries.sh ~/.config/fbpanel/pre-summery & (sleep 1 && feh --bg-scale ~/Pictures/wallpaper_pre-summery/walpaper_pre-summery-brightness100-contrast-16.png) & (sleep 1 && lxpanel --profile pre-summery) & (sleep 1 && fbpanel --profile pre-summery) & (sleep 1 && parcellite -n) & Ubuntu: [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ cat /mnt/moonstudio/home/weremouse/.config/openbox/autostart export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="" (sleep 1 && feh --bg-scale ~/Pictures/moonstudio_wallpaper_1.png) & parcellite -n & (sleep 1 && lxpanel) & (sleep 1 && fbpanel) & (sleep 1 && xscreensaver -nos) & On Ubuntu the openbox autostart conflicts with xdg, so I cleared XDG_CONFIG_DIRS on top of the autostart file. Regards, Ralf From 52midnight at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 05:04:15 2016 From: 52midnight at gmail.com (52midnight) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:04:15 +1000 Subject: [Users] Claws fails to autostart under LXDE. In-Reply-To: <20160911044234.6df8c061@utnubu> References: <20160911113754.55d23e3a@qbx> <20160911044234.6df8c061@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160911130415.71e53c5f@qbx> > However, what has got the autostart option of the window manager to > do with it? Sorry, don't follow. I assume that Claws installs a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ (otherwise where does it come from) and that Claws developers are (ultimately) responsible for both the file and its presence there. This file is responsible - amongst other things - for autostart. > What window manager are you using? Openbox. > Assuming it should be openbox (by LXDE upstream the recommended window > manager), then autostart has nothing to do with desktop files at all. Wrong! LXDE (Openbox) autostart requires placing a link from the app's .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart/. Standard procedure: at least, works for everything else. > it does not care about a directory such as .config/autostart/. Wrong again, I'm sorry. Been using it for years. Cheers Carl From 52midnight at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 05:13:32 2016 From: 52midnight at gmail.com (52midnight) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:13:32 +1000 Subject: [Users] Claws fails to autostart under LXDE. Message-ID: <20160911131332.5c83a43b@qbx> More generally, this is one of the issues I'm seeing much more of as (I assume) many Lx developers move from the Desktop to the Mobile arena, leaving Desktop bereft of developers, especially the experienced ones. May be just my own opinion. The more I see of Claws, the more I'm impressed by what I'd call the design philosophy. However, it's bound to run afoul of the issue I've presented here, that the broader Desktop Environment is becoming fragmented. One response to this is, of course, Balkanization: split it up into small communities that hardly talk to each other. The increasingly dominant response is corporatization: let the Big Guys take over and sue anyone who gets in their way. Neither is desirable IMO. Completely off-topic, of course, but something I think needs considered attention, if only because Claws is likely to become a victim of whatever outcome eventuates. Carl BTW, just noticed spelling correction - MUST give thanks for it! From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Sep 11 05:15:12 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 05:15:12 +0200 Subject: [Users] Claws fails to autostart under LXDE. In-Reply-To: <20160911130415.71e53c5f@qbx> References: <20160911113754.55d23e3a@qbx> <20160911044234.6df8c061@utnubu> <20160911130415.71e53c5f@qbx> Message-ID: <20160911051512.7b04be87@utnubu> On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:04:15 +1000, 52midnight wrote: >> However, what has got the autostart option of the window manager to >> do with it? > >Sorry, don't follow. I assume that Claws installs a .desktop file >in /usr/share/applications/ (otherwise where does it come from) and >that Claws developers are (ultimately) responsible for both the file >and its presence there. This file is responsible - amongst other things >- for autostart. > >> What window manager are you using? > >Openbox. > >> Assuming it should be openbox (by LXDE upstream the recommended >> window manager), then autostart has nothing to do with desktop files >> at all. > >Wrong! LXDE (Openbox) autostart requires placing a link from the >app's .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart/. Standard procedure: at >least, works for everything else. > >> it does not care about a directory such as .config/autostart/. > >Wrong again, I'm sorry. Been using it for years. LXDE is a desktop environment, I don't know how this desktop environment handles autostart. Openbox is a window manager, I'm using it and I know what I'm talking about. You mentioned that the window manager should fix desktop files, but since openbox doesn't use them at all, there's no need to care about desktop files at all. Regards, Ralf From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Sep 11 05:19:04 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 05:19:04 +0200 Subject: [Users] Claws fails to autostart under LXDE. In-Reply-To: <20160911051512.7b04be87@utnubu> References: <20160911113754.55d23e3a@qbx> <20160911044234.6df8c061@utnubu> <20160911130415.71e53c5f@qbx> <20160911051512.7b04be87@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160911051904.2087eb7b@utnubu> On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 05:15:12 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:04:15 +1000, 52midnight wrote: >>> However, what has got the autostart option of the window manager to >>> do with it? >> >>Sorry, don't follow. I assume that Claws installs a .desktop file >>in /usr/share/applications/ (otherwise where does it come from) and >>that Claws developers are (ultimately) responsible for both the file >>and its presence there. This file is responsible - amongst other >>things >>- for autostart. >> >>> What window manager are you using? >> >>Openbox. >> >>> Assuming it should be openbox (by LXDE upstream the recommended >>> window manager), then autostart has nothing to do with desktop files >>> at all. >> >>Wrong! LXDE (Openbox) autostart requires placing a link from the >>app's .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart/. Standard procedure: at >>least, works for everything else. >> >>> it does not care about a directory such as .config/autostart/. >> >>Wrong again, I'm sorry. Been using it for years. > >LXDE is a desktop environment, I don't know how this desktop >environment handles autostart. Openbox is a window manager, I'm using >it and I know what I'm talking about. You mentioned that the window >manager should fix desktop files, but since openbox doesn't use them at >all, there's no need to care about desktop files at all. PS: This is your claim: On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 11:37:54 +1000, 52midnight wrote: >FWIW, Iceweasel (Firefox) also has trouble with the %u parameter, which >I assume should either be replaced or deleted by the Window Manager. Perhaps you wanted to say, that the desktop environment, aka LXDE should fix it. Again, openbox, the window manager, doesn't use desktop files at all. From 52midnight at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 05:44:33 2016 From: 52midnight at gmail.com (52midnight) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:44:33 +1000 Subject: [Users] Claws fails to autostart under LXDE. Message-ID: <20160911134433.468d70ab@qbx> OK, so following the White King's advice, there are three issues here: 1. The requirements of the Desktop Environment, if any. 2. The requirements of the Window Manager, and I assume that, in a GUI, there MUST be one, even if it's only twm (peace be upon you). 3. The relationship between an Application, the Window Manager, and the Desktop Environment. If the WM and the DE are in a happy marriage, the third point should be a single issue. If they're in a conflicted relationship there'll be three: between the App and the WM, between the App and the DE, and between the App and the lawyers for the others. > Perhaps you wanted to say, that the desktop environment, aka LXDE > should fix it. Again, openbox, the window manager, doesn't use > desktop files at all. Perhaps I did, but I didn't. > there's no need to care about desktop files at all. Who doesn't need to care? I'm from an older generation in which the developers of an app would accept responsibility for its behaviour in any and every environment, even if only out of curiosity. You seem to be from the modern generation which says that "If I don't understand it then it's not my problem". Both are valid points of view. I'm a newcomer here and I'll let the Claws community decide where they stand. For the record, here's the Hoyle: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart LXSession supports the autostarting of applications at login, using both the freedesktop.org Autostart spec and lxsession's own autostart configuration files. To use the freedesktop.org Autostart way, put your *.desktop files of those applications in ~/.config/autostart, and they will get executed when the session starts. To use the lxsession autostart way, add a line with an @ followed by the command to be run to your ~/.config/lxsession//autostart file. Regards Carl From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Sep 11 05:49:15 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 05:49:15 +0200 Subject: [Users] Claws fails to autostart under LXDE. In-Reply-To: <20160911051904.2087eb7b@utnubu> References: <20160911113754.55d23e3a@qbx> <20160911044234.6df8c061@utnubu> <20160911130415.71e53c5f@qbx> <20160911051512.7b04be87@utnubu> <20160911051904.2087eb7b@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160911054915.0f03474a@utnubu> PPS: The issue is neither related to the desktop file provided by Claws upstream, nor to the window manager openbox. If the desktop file of Claws and Firefox don't fit to your favourite "standard procedure" for LXDE, consider to read manuals or to send a request to the appropriate list, if you wish better support for your preferred "standard procedure". http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list "Lxsession Each line in ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart represents a command to be executed. If a line starts with @, and the command following it crashes, the command is automatically re-executed. For example: ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart @lxterminal @leafpad" - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LXDE#Lxsession From edodd55 at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 06:05:24 2016 From: edodd55 at gmail.com (Liz) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 14:05:24 +1000 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160910095931.47ef6d76@kujata> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> <20160909214359.2c3600bc@kujata> <20160909233310.66843918@acer-suse.lan> <20160910004920.631d8aa1@utnubu> <20160910095507.634936c0@acer-suse.lan> <20160910095931.47ef6d76@kujata> Message-ID: <20160911140524.5aefb713.edodd55@gmail.com> On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 09:59:31 +0100 Paul wrote: > Dave Howorth wrote: > > > The point is I don't want to build claws, or any other applications > > that I 'use' as opposed to develop. I prefer to use the hours in my > > days for other things. > > It takes minutes rather than hours, but anyway, that won't change > your mind. It seems that 3.14.0 should be available for you: > > https://software.opensuse.org/package/claws-mail > > with regards > > Paul I agree with Paul. Building is a very useful skill to learn, and all the time is taken by the CPUs, it barely eats into your time. Liz From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Sep 11 06:08:16 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 06:08:16 +0200 Subject: [Users] Claws fails to autostart under LXDE. In-Reply-To: <20160911134433.468d70ab@qbx> References: <20160911134433.468d70ab@qbx> Message-ID: <20160911060816.2296322a@utnubu> On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 13:44:33 +1000, 52midnight wrote: >If the WM and the DE are in a happy marriage, the third point should be >a single issue. If they're in a conflicted relationship there'll be >three: between the App and the WM, between the App and the DE, and >between the App and the lawyers for the others. The issue is caused by LXDE. You might use a version of LXDE where ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart isn't used anymore, but http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXSession#Autostarted_applications_using_lxsession mentions issues with desktop files. >Who doesn't need to care? I'm from an older generation in which the >developers of an app would accept responsibility for its behaviour in >any and every environment, even if only out of curiosity. You seem to >be from the modern generation which says that "If I don't understand it >then it's not my problem". Both are valid points of view. I'm a >newcomer here and I'll let the Claws community decide where they stand. I'm a dino and try to explain that the issue is neither related to Claws, nor to openbox. Openbox does use $HOME/.config/openbox/autostart to autostart apps. Upstream of apps can't care about all desktop environments. The spirit of a desktop environment is the user-friendliness you want to get. It's the task of your desktop environment to fit to your needs, so your request belongs to the desktop environment. Regards, Ralf From 52midnight at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 06:29:31 2016 From: 52midnight at gmail.com (52midnight) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 14:29:31 +1000 Subject: [Users] Claws fails to autostart under LXDE. Message-ID: <20160911142931.38ab76c0@qbx> > I'm a dino Ah! Well sorry, never did understand Italians. Carl From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Sep 11 09:45:40 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 09:45:40 +0200 Subject: [Users] Claws fails to autostart under LXDE. In-Reply-To: <20160911142931.38ab76c0@qbx> References: <20160911142931.38ab76c0@qbx> Message-ID: <20160911094540.60391463@utnubu> On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 14:29:31 +1000, 52midnight wrote: >> I'm a dino > >Ah! Well sorry, never did understand Italians. I'm not from Bakteria, I'm from Tomania. "I believe those that produce the least emissions in autos will also be those who have the greatest success worldwide." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/angela_merkel_3.html From andrej at kacian.sk Sun Sep 11 10:19:57 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:19:57 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160911031853.3a0177de@utnubu> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> <20160909214359.2c3600bc@kujata> <20160909233310.66843918@acer-suse.lan> <20160910004920.631d8aa1@utnubu> <20160910095507.634936c0@acer-suse.lan> <20160910095931.47ef6d76@kujata> <20160910135259.51b678e6@acer-suse.lan> <20160911024426.0c78cf18@utnubu> <20160910210544.054eeb35@pfortin.com> <20160911031853.3a0177de@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160911101957.43617087@penny> On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 03:18:53 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > official upstream release, IOW "git checkout 3fc1678" Slightly off-topic: we tag our releases, so you can do e.g. "git checkout 3.14.0" instead of using commit IDs. HTH, -- Andrej From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Sep 11 11:01:59 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 09:01:59 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 1972] undo Move to Trash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1972 --- Comment #6 from Dominik --- Hm, still no way to undo deletions? I migrated from kmail to claws mail (3.14) and I really miss this functions. Dear developers, please implement it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Sep 11 12:23:09 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:23:09 +0200 Subject: [Users] How to use the To: Cc: etc headings. In-Reply-To: <20160911101957.43617087@penny> References: <20160909062512.026da840@utnubu> <57D24041.7090906@52midnight.com> <20160909213859.4fec9bb1@acer-suse.lan> <20160909214359.2c3600bc@kujata> <20160909233310.66843918@acer-suse.lan> <20160910004920.631d8aa1@utnubu> <20160910095507.634936c0@acer-suse.lan> <20160910095931.47ef6d76@kujata> <20160910135259.51b678e6@acer-suse.lan> <20160911024426.0c78cf18@utnubu> <20160910210544.054eeb35@pfortin.com> <20160911031853.3a0177de@utnubu> <20160911101957.43617087@penny> Message-ID: <20160911122309.10c4d3e0@utnubu> On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 10:19:57 +0200, Andrej Kacian wrote: >On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 03:18:53 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> official upstream release, IOW "git checkout 3fc1678" > >Slightly off-topic: we tag our releases, so you can do e.g. >"git checkout 3.14.0" instead of using commit IDs. Thank you Andrej, this isn't really off-topic. Btw. my apologies for the really off-topic replies from me, to another thread. Regards, Ralf From amca01 at gmail.com Sun Sep 11 16:56:12 2016 From: amca01 at gmail.com (Alasdair McAndrew) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 00:56:12 +1000 Subject: [Users] Two questions: popups, and slowness Message-ID: Hello, I have just installed Claws Mail on my linux system running ArchLinux. It looks very good - and I can access my gmail accounts and my work account (MS Exchange), the latter through davmail. But I have two questions: 1. As I move my mouse cursor around the Claws mail window, there are various little popups. On my system, these are unreadable, as the font and background appear to be the same colour. How can I fix this? 2. Claws mail seems impossibly slow. If I move from one folder to another, say gmail Inbox to gmail Sent, it takes a long time for the message headers to appear. And an even longer time for a selected message to appear in the lower window. I have not changed any settings from the default, aside from those that describe my accounts. Anyway, if I could fix these two issues, I'd be a happy user! many thanks, Alasdair -- [image: http://www.facebook.com/alasdairmcandrew] [image: https://twitter.com/amca01] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Sep 11 17:47:26 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:47:26 +0200 Subject: [Users] Two questions: popups, and slowness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160911174726.5c1b9f89@utnubu> On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 00:56:12 +1000, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: >1. As I move my mouse cursor around the Claws mail window, there are >various little popups. On my system, these are unreadable, as the >font and background appear to be the same colour. How can I fix this? By using a theme that isn't flashy, but usable. [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ sudo pacman -Syu [snip] warning: gnome-themes-standard: ignoring package upgrade (3.18.0-1 => 3.20.2-1) [snip] I'm using Adwaita from gnome-themes-standard 3.18.0. Still available for Arch, if you're using "downgrade": [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ downgrade gnome-themes-standard Available packages: 1) gnome-themes-standard-3.20.2-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz (remote) 2) gnome-themes-standard-3.20-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz (remote) 3) gnome-themes-standard-3.18.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz (remote) 4) gnome-themes-standard-3.18.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz (local) [snip] >2. Claws mail seems impossibly slow. If I move from one folder to >another, say gmail Inbox to gmail Sent, it takes a long time for the >message headers to appear. And an even longer time for a selected >message to appear in the lower window. Yes, when I decided to switch from Claws to Evolution, I thought that Claws is very fast, but in the meanwhile, with tens of thousands of emails I notice this too. Claws is disgusting slow. In my case for POP accounts, either for my Arch and my Ubuntu install. If speed is important for you, better use Evolution. In don't care, if I have to wait a little bit. I'm running [rocketmouse at archlinux moonstudio]$ pacman -Q claws-mail-git claws-mail-git 3.14.0.r2.ge48b739-1 [rocketmouse at archlinux moonstudio]$ sudo systemd-nspawn -q apt list claws-mail-git Listing... Done claws-mail-git/now 3.14.0-2-ge48b73-1 amd64 [installed,local] Regards, Ralf From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sun Sep 11 18:10:04 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:10:04 +0200 Subject: [Users] Two questions: popups, and slowness In-Reply-To: <20160911174726.5c1b9f89@utnubu> References: <20160911174726.5c1b9f89@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160911181004.539c1700@utnubu> On Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:47:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 00:56:12 +1000, Alasdair McAndrew wrote: >>1. As I move my mouse cursor around the Claws mail window, there are >>various little popups. On my system, these are unreadable, as the >>font and background appear to be the same colour. How can I fix >>this? > >By using a theme that isn't flashy, but usable. > >[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ sudo pacman -Syu >[snip] >warning: gnome-themes-standard: ignoring package upgrade (3.18.0-1 => >3.20.2-1) [snip] > >I'm using Adwaita from gnome-themes-standard 3.18.0. > >Still available for Arch, if you're using "downgrade": > >[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ downgrade gnome-themes-standard >Available packages: > > 1) gnome-themes-standard-3.20.2-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz (remote) > 2) gnome-themes-standard-3.20-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz (remote) > 3) gnome-themes-standard-3.18.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz (remote) > 4) gnome-themes-standard-3.18.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz (local) >[snip] > >>2. Claws mail seems impossibly slow. If I move from one folder to >>another, say gmail Inbox to gmail Sent, it takes a long time for the >>message headers to appear. And an even longer time for a selected >>message to appear in the lower window. > >Yes, when I decided to switch from Claws to Evolution, I thought that >Claws is very fast, but in the meanwhile, with tens of thousands of >emails I notice this too. Claws is disgusting slow. In my case for POP >accounts, either for my Arch and my Ubuntu install. If speed is >important for you, better use Evolution. In don't care, if I have to >wait a little bit. > >I'm running > >[rocketmouse at archlinux moonstudio]$ pacman -Q claws-mail-git >claws-mail-git 3.14.0.r2.ge48b739-1 >[rocketmouse at archlinux moonstudio]$ sudo systemd-nspawn -q apt list >claws-mail-git Listing... Done >claws-mail-git/now 3.14.0-2-ge48b73-1 amd64 [installed,local] BTW. I'm not sure if the slowness is only cause by the amount of emails. IIRC Claws was faster when the amount of emails already was very high, a few updates ago. -- Death of ROXTerm https://sourceforge.net/p/roxterm/discussion/422638/thread/60da6975/ From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Sep 11 19:27:27 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 17:27:27 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3688] New: display command menu Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3688 Bug ID: 3688 Summary: display command menu Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.13.0 Hardware: PC OS: Windows XP Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Other Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: p.bracken at comcast.net I accidentally made my command menu go away and I cannot seem to figure out how to bring them back to display. Secondly, how can I rearrange the message list columns? I want to see the "From" column first on the left, then the "Subject" column next, then "Date", then "Size". -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Sep 11 21:25:44 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:25:44 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3688] display command menu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3688 Andrej Kacian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian --- This is a bug tracking tool, usage questions like this are not suitable here. If you have questions about usage, please joing the Users mailing list. You can toggle the main window's menu visibility with F12. You can rearrange the columns in Summaries preferences page. Look for "Displayed columns". -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From trev at highwater.co.nz Tue Sep 13 10:51:58 2016 From: trev at highwater.co.nz (Trevor Carey-Smith) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:51:58 +1200 Subject: [Users] "Global" action to move message within acct Message-ID: <20160913205158.7b6dce73@ridge.highwater.co.nz> Hi, I am trying to set up an action that can be used across multiple accounts that will move a message to a specific folder within the *current* account. So say I have 2 or more IMAP accounts, I want a single action that I can assign to one button that will, when I am in Account 1, move any selected message(s) to the, say, "special" folder within Account 1. But I want the same button, when I am in Account 2, to move selected messages to the "special" folder within Account 2. As far as I can see the "move" action has to be given the full path to a folder, not a path relative to the current account, but maybe I'm missing something. Thanks in advance, Trevor. 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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Sep 13 17:11:55 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 15:11:55 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3689]=?UTF-8?Q?=20Quickbooks=20proseries=E2=98=BB=E2=98=BB=E2=AB=B7=E2=AB=B7=2B1888?=(436)=?UTF-8?Q?4111=E2=AB=B8=E2=AB=B8=E2=98=BB=E2=98=BBQuickbooks=20proseries=20support=20phone=20number=20Quickbooks=20=2B1888?=(436)4111 QuickBooks proseries phone number In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3689 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Sep 14 08:51:57 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 06:51:57 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3684] Socket error with POP3 using TLS client certificate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3684 --- Comment #8 from Thomas Orgis --- Sorry for bumping, but the sudden silence suprises me. Any reproduction of this issue yet? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From ethy.brito at inexo.com.br Wed Sep 14 16:52:35 2016 From: ethy.brito at inexo.com.br (Ethy H. Brito) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 11:52:35 -0300 Subject: [Users] Spamassassin and new emails Message-ID: <20160914115235.58803955@pulsar.inexo.com.br> Hi For reasons I cannot explain, from time to time, CM looses all counts *and emails* of random mailboxes and starts to scan/sincronize them from scratch. INBOX mainly. This scan seems to be a tree pass operation. This is very annoying. But the most annoying thing is that CM tells spamassassin to scan the whole box. Q. What do I do to circumvent this when it happens? A. I put CM in offline mode. CM stops scanning in a few seconds (timeout?). I then click in another mailbox (MH for instance) then back at faulty box. Wait for the tree passes (which are vary fast) and switch CM to online again. The counts are back and all emails are also back to the list. How to tell CM+spamassassin not to scan the already read (INBOX) emails, just the new ones? This will not fix the problem (which is not new), but at least I will not have to wait many dozens of minutes to task completion and skip all the juggling described above. CM is 3.13.2 (Ubuntu 16.04 LTS) Cheers Ethy From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Sep 14 17:00:20 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:00:20 +0100 Subject: [Users] Spamassassin and new emails In-Reply-To: <20160914115235.58803955@pulsar.inexo.com.br> References: <20160914115235.58803955@pulsar.inexo.com.br> Message-ID: <20160914160020.77db48bc@kujata> This is an IMAP account that you are talking about? with regards Paul From ethy.brito at inexo.com.br Wed Sep 14 17:01:56 2016 From: ethy.brito at inexo.com.br (Ethy H. Brito) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2016 12:01:56 -0300 Subject: [Users] Spamassassin and new emails In-Reply-To: <20160914160020.77db48bc@kujata> References: <20160914115235.58803955@pulsar.inexo.com.br> <20160914160020.77db48bc@kujata> Message-ID: <20160914120156.2cbe5690@pulsar.inexo.com.br> On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 16:00:20 +0100 Paul wrote: > This is an IMAP account that you are talking about? Sorry. Forgot to mention. Yes, it is. Ethy > > with regards > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From bruce.bowler at gmail.com Thu Sep 15 14:51:46 2016 From: bruce.bowler at gmail.com (Bruce Bowler) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:51:46 -0400 Subject: [Users] change from 3.13 to 3.14? Message-ID: <20160915085146.00000366@gmail.com> I just upgraded from 3.13.1 to 3.14.0 on Windows, and I think there's a behavior that changed that I don't see documented (although since I just crossed into my 60's my memory might already be shot)... I think that it used to automatically move to the next unread message in the folder when I marked a message for deletion and that doesn't happen with 3.14. Am I mis-remembering or did the behavior change or something else? I didn't see anything obvious in the configuration screens that would control that. Is it a hidden setting? Have I gone completely daft (don't answer that!) Thanks! Bruce From subscript at free.fr Thu Sep 15 14:58:58 2016 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:58:58 +0200 Subject: [Users] change from 3.13 to 3.14? In-Reply-To: <20160915085146.00000366@gmail.com> References: <20160915085146.00000366@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20160915145858.06e6bd90@anthra> Hello Bruce, On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:51:46 -0400 Bruce Bowler wrote: > I just upgraded from 3.13.1 to 3.14.0 on Windows, and I think there's a > behavior that changed that I don't see documented (although since I > just crossed into my 60's my memory might already be shot)... > > I think that it used to automatically move to the next unread message in > the folder when I marked a message for deletion and that doesn't happen > with 3.14. Am I mis-remembering or did the behavior change or > something else? I didn't see anything obvious in the configuration > screens that would control that. Is it a hidden setting? Have I gone > completely daft (don't answer that!) Quick, quick! Read the release notes before the flames come and burn your 60's hair. Or read the users ML archives, you're far from the first one to raise this :-P. Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From boxcars at gmx.net Thu Sep 15 17:03:21 2016 From: boxcars at gmx.net (=?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?=) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:03:21 -0500 Subject: [Users] change from 3.13 to 3.14? References: <20160915085146.00000366@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20160915100321.536c2242@sepulchrave.remarqs> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:51:46 -0400 Bruce Bowler wrote: > I just upgraded from 3.13.1 to 3.14.0 on Windows, and I think there's > a behavior that changed that I don't see documented (although since I > just crossed into my 60's my memory might already be shot)... > > I think that it used to automatically move to the next unread message > in the folder when I marked a message for deletion and that doesn't > happen with 3.14. Am I mis-remembering or did the behavior change or > something else? I didn't see anything obvious in the configuration > screens that would control that. Is it a hidden setting? Have I gone > completely daft (don't answer that!) The current behavior is controlled by a hidden setting, next_on_delete, covered in the 'hidden preferences' section of the manual, . I wouldn't worry about having missed the change -- you're not the first and won't be the last to ask about it here. From dave at howorth.org.uk Thu Sep 15 21:05:14 2016 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 20:05:14 +0100 Subject: [Users] signed replies? Message-ID: <20160915200514.4e19bf8e@acer-suse.lan> I've noticed that when somebody sends a signed message (to a mailing list) and I decide to reply to that message claws defaults to me 'choosing' the option to sign the reply. Surely this option should depend on whether I have even set up a signature, or set some policy as to signatures on reply? I don't see whether or not the sender signed his message as having any place in influencing my reply. Is there some way to tell claws not to do this? Or get the default re-thought? Cheers, Dave From mir at miras.org Thu Sep 15 21:30:50 2016 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 21:30:50 +0200 Subject: [Users] signed replies? In-Reply-To: <20160915200514.4e19bf8e@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160915200514.4e19bf8e@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160915213050.04079c83@sleipner.datanom.net> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 20:05:14 +0100 Dave Howorth wrote: > I've noticed that when somebody sends a signed message (to a mailing > list) and I decide to reply to that message claws defaults to me > 'choosing' the option to sign the reply. > > Surely this option should depend on whether I have even set up a > signature, or set some policy as to signatures on reply? I don't see > whether or not the sender signed his message as having any place in > influencing my reply. > > Is there some way to tell claws not to do this? Or get the default > re-thought? > This is an account configuration. See attached screenshot. -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/games/fortune -es says: Creditor, n.: A man who has a better memory than a debtor. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot at 2016-09-15 21-30-03.png Type: image/png Size: 55418 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 163 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From brad at fineby.me.uk Thu Sep 15 21:14:47 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 20:14:47 +0100 Subject: [Users] signed replies? In-Reply-To: <20160915200514.4e19bf8e@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160915200514.4e19bf8e@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160915201447.05f3ca46@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 20:05:14 +0100 Dave Howorth wrote: Hello Dave, >Is there some way to tell claws not to do this? Or get the default >re-thought? Look at each set of "Account Preferences" - specifically, the "Privacy" section. Ensure the one marked "always sign when replying to a signed message" is *not* checked. By default it isn't, but it might have been set accidentally or due to config file corruption. Alternatively, set "Default Privacy" to 'None'. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" The deadbeats and the dispossessed, the seekers of unlikeliness Street Of Dreams - The Damned -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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By default it isn't, but it > might have been set accidentally or due to config file corruption. > Alternatively, set "Default Privacy" to 'None'. Thanks. Changing the preference solved it. The default was already set at none, but the preference was checked, for whatever reason. But I didn't need to edit the options on this message to reply to you now. Cheers, Dave From brad at fineby.me.uk Fri Sep 16 07:50:56 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 06:50:56 +0100 Subject: [Users] signed replies? In-Reply-To: <20160915220855.09457fb5@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160915200514.4e19bf8e@acer-suse.lan> <20160915201447.05f3ca46@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160915220855.09457fb5@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160916065056.14adfeb8@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 22:08:55 +0100 Dave Howorth wrote: Hello Dave, >Thanks. Changing the preference solved it. The default was already set YW. I'm glad your problem is sorted. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Watching the people get lairy I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From fpoulain at metrodore.fr Fri Sep 16 11:22:46 2016 From: fpoulain at metrodore.fr (=?UTF-8?B?RnJhbsOnb2lz?= Poulain) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:22:46 +0200 Subject: [Users] Claws save clear drafts even when GPG cipher is activated Message-ID: <20160916112246.6b69b5b5@renard.amie.coop> Hi, I experienced that Claws save drafts even with GPG ciphering activated, and drafts are saved in clear. This is annoying, because this mean I potentially send to third party some datas about which I explicitly wanted to be confidential. Does Claws should a priori save ciphered draft? May be should it be an opt-in option? François -- François Poulain From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Sep 16 11:47:05 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:47:05 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws save clear drafts even when GPG cipher is activated In-Reply-To: <20160916112246.6b69b5b5@renard.amie.coop> References: <20160916112246.6b69b5b5@renard.amie.coop> Message-ID: <20160916104705.513c3d0e@kujata> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:22:46 +0200 François Poulain wrote: > I experienced that Claws save drafts even with GPG ciphering > activated, and drafts are saved in clear. You need to upgrade, this was fixed in 3.12.0. Your version (3.11.1) is about 2 years old and 5 releases behind. with regards Paul From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Sep 16 11:50:42 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:50:42 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws save clear drafts even when GPG cipher is activated In-Reply-To: <20160916104705.513c3d0e@kujata> References: <20160916112246.6b69b5b5@renard.amie.coop> <20160916104705.513c3d0e@kujata> Message-ID: <20160916105042.522ecb48@kujata> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:47:05 +0100 Paul wrote: > You need to upgrade, this was fixed in 3.12.0. > Your version (3.11.1) is about 2 years old and 5 releases behind. In the meantime, before you upgrade, use a local MH mailbox's Drafts folder. (I'm assuming your are using IMAP.) (/File/Add mailbox/MH...) with regards Paul From fpoulain at metrodore.fr Fri Sep 16 11:53:58 2016 From: fpoulain at metrodore.fr (=?UTF-8?B?RnJhbsOnb2lz?= Poulain) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:53:58 +0200 Subject: [Users] Claws save clear drafts even when GPG cipher is activated In-Reply-To: <20160916104705.513c3d0e@kujata> References: <20160916112246.6b69b5b5@renard.amie.coop> <20160916104705.513c3d0e@kujata> Message-ID: <20160916115358.1a77b408@renard.amie.coop> Le Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:47:05 +0100, Paul a écrit : > On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:22:46 +0200 > François Poulain wrote: > > > I experienced that Claws save drafts even with GPG ciphering > > activated, and drafts are saved in clear. > > You need to upgrade, this was fixed in 3.12.0. > Your version (3.11.1) is about 2 years old and 5 releases behind. Ok. Thank you. (Actually I am a Debian user, so I will probably update in 2 years. :) ) François -- François Poulain Il n'a pas d'esprit, celui qui cherche l'esprit. -+- Friedrich Nietzsche, Humain, trop humain -+- From ricardo at mones.org Fri Sep 16 15:02:41 2016 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:02:41 +0200 Subject: [Users] Claws save clear drafts even when GPG cipher is activated In-Reply-To: <20160916115358.1a77b408@renard.amie.coop> References: <20160916112246.6b69b5b5@renard.amie.coop> <20160916104705.513c3d0e@kujata> <20160916115358.1a77b408@renard.amie.coop> Message-ID: <20160916130241.GB4019@busgosu.mones.org> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:53:58AM +0200, François Poulain wrote: > Le Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:47:05 +0100, > Paul a écrit : > > > On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:22:46 +0200 > > François Poulain wrote: > > > > > I experienced that Claws save drafts even with GPG ciphering > > > activated, and drafts are saved in clear. > > > > You need to upgrade, this was fixed in 3.12.0. > > Your version (3.11.1) is about 2 years old and 5 releases behind. > > Ok. Thank you. (Actually I am a Debian user, so I will probably update > in 2 years. :) ) Latest release is in Debian Backports, no need to wait: https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/claws-mail regards, -- Ricardo Mones ~ Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it. Richard Feynman -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From dustbiz at gmail.com Fri Sep 16 17:40:37 2016 From: dustbiz at gmail.com (Dustin) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:40:37 +0600 Subject: [Users] Running Two Instances of CM Simultaneously In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is it possible to have two instances of Claws Mail (CM) running at the same time? From the bit of research I've done so far it seems like it might be possible and I'm hoping to test it when I get a chance, but I thought I'd post here to double-check whether it's worth pursuing. Here are some more details about the usage scenario I'm thinking of: PC-A at Location-A runs CM w/ DataSet(i.e.-messages-settings)-A PC-B at Location-B runs CM w/ DataSet-B For a period of time, PC-C at Location-C will run 'CM-1' w/ DataSet-A and 'CM-2' w/ DataSet-B, often running them at the same time. (When the period of time ends, each DataSet would then be transferred back to its respective PC/Location for continued separate use.) Assuming the CM code can handle it, I think all I would need to do to make it work well is have my two DataSets in different places on PC-C and then have two clearly-labeled shortcuts that run the necessary user-configured CM commands to point them to their respective DataSets. Some Qs: 1. Am I right in thinking the CM code can handle this? 2. If #1 is true, do I need to have a certain version or higher of CM for it to work? 3. Are there any potential problems, caveats, reduced stability, etc. issues connected with doing this? (i.e. when I've looked into this before for Thunderbird, my takeaway was that "it's possible, but it wasn't meant to do that, and things can go wonky sometimes" :) ) Up to now, I've accomplished this by just using two different email clients, but if I could have them both be the same, it would simplify things. Even if there are no definite, quick answers on this, any ideas for testing, search terms, or links to resources that might be helpful are welcome. Thanks! :) From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Sep 16 17:56:24 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:56:24 +0100 Subject: [Users] Running Two Instances of CM Simultaneously In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <20160916165624.4cc85b2e@kujata> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:40:37 +0600 Dustin wrote: > Is it possible to have two instances of Claws Mail (CM) running at > the same time? From the bit of research I've done so far it seems > like it might be possible and I'm hoping to test it when I get a > chance, but I thought I'd post here to double-check whether it's > worth pursuing. It's a pity that your research didn't include trying it :) This is possible if you start at least one of them thus: claws-mail --alternate-config-dir /my/other/config with regards Paul From cwallace at lodgingcompany.com Fri Sep 16 19:57:10 2016 From: cwallace at lodgingcompany.com (Chad Wallace) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:57:10 -0700 Subject: [Users] Claws save clear drafts even when GPG cipher is activated In-Reply-To: <20160916130241.GB4019@busgosu.mones.org> References: <20160916112246.6b69b5b5@renard.amie.coop> <20160916104705.513c3d0e@kujata> <20160916115358.1a77b408@renard.amie.coop> <20160916130241.GB4019@busgosu.mones.org> Message-ID: <20160916105710.48332b65@ws78.int.tlc> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:02:41 +0200 Ricardo Mones wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:53:58AM +0200, François Poulain wrote: > > Le Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:47:05 +0100, > > Paul a écrit : > > > > > On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:22:46 +0200 > > > François Poulain wrote: > > > > > > > I experienced that Claws save drafts even with GPG ciphering > > > > activated, and drafts are saved in clear. > > > > > > You need to upgrade, this was fixed in 3.12.0. > > > Your version (3.11.1) is about 2 years old and 5 releases > > > behind. > > > > Ok. Thank you. (Actually I am a Debian user, so I will probably > > update in 2 years. :) ) > > Latest release is in Debian Backports, no need to wait: > > https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/claws-mail > > regards, That Was Easy™ $ echo deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main|sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/20backports.list $ sudo apt-get update $ sudo apt-get -t jessie-backports install claws-mail $ sed -i.nod-bak -e 's/^next_on_delete.*$/next_on_delete=1/' .claws-mail/clawsrc $ claws-mail & :-D -- C. Chad Wallace, B.Sc. The Lodging Company http://www.lodgingcompany.com/ OpenPGP Public Key ID: 0x262208A0 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But >I want the same button, when I am in Account 2, to move selected >messages to the "special" folder within Account 2. Scripting this kind of stuff is possible with the Python plugin. A corresponding quick&dirty script could look like this: #====================================================================================== mailbox_folder_map = { "mail" : "#mh/mail/foo", "gmail (imap)" : "#imap/gmail (imap)/bar" } msgs = clawsmail.get_summaryview_selected_message_list() if msgs: mailbox_name = msgs[0].Folder.mailbox.name if mailbox_name in mailbox_folder_map: target_folder = clawsmail.Folder(mailbox_folder_map[mailbox_name]) clawsmail.move_messages(msgs, target_folder) #====================================================================================== Holger From dustbiz at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 12:39:18 2016 From: dustbiz at gmail.com (Dustin) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:39:18 +0600 Subject: [Users] Running Two Instances of CM Simultaneously In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50154e3f-d15d-04e1-5a2f-4ac8102aacae@gmail.com> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:56:24 +0100 From: Paul > Subject: Re: [Users] Running Two Instances > of CM Simultaneously On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:40:37 +0600 Dustin > wrote: >> Is it possible to have two instances of Claws Mail (CM) running at >> the same time? From the bit of research I've done so far it seems >> like it might be possible and I'm hoping to test it when I get a >> chance, but I thought I'd post here to double-check whether it's >> worth pursuing. > It's a pity that your research didn't include trying it :) Yes... perhaps I've been a bit heavy on the theory and light on the practice. :) > > This is possible if you start at least one of them thus: > > claws-mail --alternate-config-dir /my/other/config Thanks, that confirms what I've been thinking, and that I can proceed forward w/o fear of my computer blowing up or all of my emails being converted into Greek... ;) From dave at howorth.org.uk Sat Sep 17 13:14:10 2016 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 12:14:10 +0100 Subject: [Users] search - how to Message-ID: <20160917121410.0f0d1692@acer-suse.lan> Probably another dumb question, I'm afraid ... I'm trying to see whether I have ever received a message from a particular company, so I want to search all my messages for a From line containing a particular domain name. I can't figure out how to do this. I read the manual and tried the various things it mentioned. Search Folder is greyed out if I'm at the top Mailbox (MH) level, so how do I search all the folders instead of just one? I tried quick search but I can't persuade that to find part of a subject line in a subfolder, even with Recursive ticked. I tried Search Folder which pops up a dialog titled Search messages, which sometimes seems to find messages having a subject containing a string providing I am looking directly at the folder containing the message, but it doesn't even do that in all the folders (or maybe with all search strings). When I click on the help button on that dialog, it pops up a PCManFM window showing the root dorectory. What's that all about? I expect I've missed something obvious but would appreciate any pointers. claws 3.12.0 opensuse leap 42.1 lxde Thanks, Dave From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Sep 17 15:12:20 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 13:12:20 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3690] New: quick search only works on mouse clicking to other folders, not via up/down arrows Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3690 Bug ID: 3690 Summary: quick search only works on mouse clicking to other folders, not via up/down arrows Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: GIT Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: pf at pfortin.com Set search criteria in quick search bar. Switching folders using up/down arrows does not find matches. Switching folders via mouse works as expected. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From myetto1 at nycap.rr.com Sat Sep 17 15:13:40 2016 From: myetto1 at nycap.rr.com (Michael A. Yetto) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 09:13:40 -0400 Subject: [Users] search - how to In-Reply-To: <20160917121410.0f0d1692@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160917121410.0f0d1692@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160917091340.38a3d427@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 12:14:10 +0100 Dave Howorth wrote: >Probably another dumb question, I'm afraid ... > >I'm trying to see whether I have ever received a message from a >particular company, so I want to search all my messages for a From line >containing a particular domain name. I can't figure out how to do this. > >I read the manual and tried the various things it mentioned. > >Search Folder is greyed out if I'm at the top Mailbox (MH) level, so >how do I search all the folders instead of just one? > >I tried quick search but I can't persuade that to find part of a >subject line in a subfolder, even with Recursive ticked. > >I tried Search Folder which pops up a dialog titled Search messages, >which sometimes seems to find messages having a subject containing a >string providing I am looking directly at the folder containing the >message, but it doesn't even do that in all the folders (or maybe with >all search strings). > >When I click on the help button on that dialog, it pops up a PCManFM >window showing the root dorectory. What's that all about? > >I expect I've missed something obvious but would appreciate any >pointers. claws 3.12.0 opensuse leap 42.1 lxde > >Thanks, Dave You can always try grep -Rl "^From:.*domaininquestion.com" Mail/ to get a list of files. That will answer your question, but notmany others, directly. Don't think outside the box, make a bigger box. Mike Yetto -- "It is not the antiquity of a tale that is an evidence of its truth; on the contrary, it is a symptom of its being fabulous." - Thomas Paine, Age of Reason -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Sep 17 15:36:48 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:36:48 +0100 Subject: [Users] search - how to In-Reply-To: <20160917121410.0f0d1692@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160917121410.0f0d1692@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160917143648.71beb7b2@kujata> On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 12:14:10 +0100 Dave Howorth wrote: > I tried quick search but I can't persuade that to find part of a > subject line in a subfolder, even with Recursive ticked. Quick Search works. Recursive mode will show sub-folders with positive results by changing their folder icon to a magnifying glass icon (depending on the icon theme that you use). with regards Paul From dave at howorth.org.uk Sat Sep 17 16:03:03 2016 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:03:03 +0100 Subject: [Users] search - how to In-Reply-To: <20160917091340.38a3d427@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> References: <20160917121410.0f0d1692@acer-suse.lan> <20160917091340.38a3d427@braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> Message-ID: <20160917150303.40dfec99@acer-suse.lan> On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 09:13:40 -0400 "Michael A. Yetto" wrote: > On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 12:14:10 +0100 > Dave Howorth wrote: > > >Probably another dumb question, I'm afraid ... > > > >I'm trying to see whether I have ever received a message from a > >particular company, so I want to search all my messages for a From > >line containing a particular domain name. I can't figure out how to > >do this. > > > >I read the manual and tried the various things it mentioned. > > > >Search Folder is greyed out if I'm at the top Mailbox (MH) level, so > >how do I search all the folders instead of just one? > > > >I tried quick search but I can't persuade that to find part of a > >subject line in a subfolder, even with Recursive ticked. > > > >I tried Search Folder which pops up a dialog titled Search messages, > >which sometimes seems to find messages having a subject containing a > >string providing I am looking directly at the folder containing the > >message, but it doesn't even do that in all the folders (or maybe > >with all search strings). > > > >When I click on the help button on that dialog, it pops up a PCManFM > >window showing the root dorectory. What's that all about? > > > >I expect I've missed something obvious but would appreciate any > >pointers. claws 3.12.0 opensuse leap 42.1 lxde > > > >Thanks, Dave > > You can always try > grep -Rl "^From:.*domaininquestion.com" Mail/ > to get a list of files. That will answer your question, but notmany > others, directly. Thanks, that worked. I was rather hoping to understand some more about the search facilities as well, but one thing at a time ... > Don't think outside the box, make a bigger box. > > Mike Yetto From dave at howorth.org.uk Sat Sep 17 16:09:30 2016 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:09:30 +0100 Subject: [Users] search - how to In-Reply-To: <20160917143648.71beb7b2@kujata> References: <20160917121410.0f0d1692@acer-suse.lan> <20160917143648.71beb7b2@kujata> Message-ID: <20160917150930.06ed1fd5@acer-suse.lan> On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 14:36:48 +0100 Paul wrote: > On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 12:14:10 +0100 > Dave Howorth wrote: > > > I tried quick search but I can't persuade that to find part of a > > subject line in a subfolder, even with Recursive ticked. > > Quick Search works. Recursive mode will show sub-folders with positive > results by changing their folder icon to a magnifying glass icon > (depending on the icon theme that you use). Ah, thanks. I hadn't spotted that, and I see it is documented. Doh! Is there a way to change the magnifying glass colour to something more noticeable? > with regards > > Paul From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Sep 18 04:00:27 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 02:00:27 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3684] Socket error with POP3 using TLS client certificate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3684 --- Comment #9 from Andrej Kacian --- Created attachment 1683 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1683&action=edit 3684-fix-v1 If you're running GnuTLS 3.0 or newer, and are able to compile Claws Mail for testing, please try this patch. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Sep 18 09:38:39 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 07:38:39 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3684] Socket error with POP3 using TLS client certificate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3684 --- Comment #10 from Thomas Orgis --- I got gnutls-3.4.14 (update to 3.4.15 pending) and with this patch, I can fetch the mail using the client certificate. Thanks! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Sep 18 10:51:00 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 08:51:00 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3684] Socket error with POP3 using TLS client certificate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3684 --- Comment #11 from Andrej Kacian --- Thanks for testing, I cleaned up the patch a bit and committed it to our git. The fix will be included in the next release. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Sep 18 11:51:07 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 09:51:07 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3684] Socket error with POP3 using TLS client certificate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3684 Andrej Kacian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #12 from users at lists.claws-mail.org --- Changes related to this bug have been committed. Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly. You can also get the patch from: http://git.claws-mail.org/ ++ ChangeLog 2016-09-18 10:51:03.052559317 +0200 http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=6eea5b249c34d9abd73f43ad987df4a667c10882 Merge: 471adf7 a05eeae Author: Colin Leroy Date: Sun Sep 18 10:51:02 2016 +0200 Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=a05eeae0e79999d34dd02d733fc83e9d04082b03 Author: Andrej Kacian Date: Sun Sep 18 10:46:58 2016 +0200 Fix using client TLS certificates for GnuTLS 3.0 and up. 3.0 introduced new API for setting client certificates, gnutls_certificate_set_retrieve_function2(). This fixes bug #3684. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From trev at highwater.co.nz Mon Sep 19 00:39:52 2016 From: trev at highwater.co.nz (Trevor Carey-Smith) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 10:39:52 +1200 Subject: [Users] "Global" action to move message within acct In-Reply-To: <20160916233852.006420ab@wodan> References: <20160913205158.7b6dce73@ridge.highwater.co.nz> <20160916233852.006420ab@wodan> Message-ID: <20160918223951.GA26863@berry.highwater.co.nz> Hi Holger, On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:38:52PM +0200, Holger Berndt wrote: > > On Di, 13.09.2016 20:51, Trevor Carey-Smith wrote: > > >I am trying to set up an action that can be used across multiple > >accounts that will move a message to a specific folder within the > >*current* account. > > Scripting this kind of stuff is possible with the Python plugin. A > corresponding quick&dirty script could look like this: Thanks very much. I had a sneaking suspicion the python plugin would be the way to go! > #====================================================================================== > mailbox_folder_map = { > "mail" : "#mh/mail/foo", > "gmail (imap)" : "#imap/gmail (imap)/bar" > } > > msgs = clawsmail.get_summaryview_selected_message_list() > if msgs: > mailbox_name = msgs[0].Folder.mailbox.name > if mailbox_name in mailbox_folder_map: > target_folder = clawsmail.Folder(mailbox_folder_map[mailbox_name]) > clawsmail.move_messages(msgs, target_folder) > #====================================================================================== I've managed to get a working script going, but for some reason msgs[0].Folder.mailbox.name returned an error. I ended up using the clawsmail.get_folderview_selected_folder() function to get the folder instead. Is the Folder attribute of the MessageInfo class a new addition (I'm only on 3.12.0)? Thanks again, Trevor. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: not available URL: From andrej at kacian.sk Mon Sep 19 00:53:08 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 00:53:08 +0200 Subject: [Users] "Global" action to move message within acct In-Reply-To: <20160918223951.GA26863@berry.highwater.co.nz> References: <20160913205158.7b6dce73@ridge.highwater.co.nz> <20160916233852.006420ab@wodan> <20160918223951.GA26863@berry.highwater.co.nz> Message-ID: <20160919005308.5bc77497@penny> On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 10:39:52 +1200 Trevor Carey-Smith wrote: > I've managed to get a working script going, but for some reason > msgs[0].Folder.mailbox.name returned an error. I ended up using the > clawsmail.get_folderview_selected_folder() function to get the folder > instead. Is the Folder attribute of the MessageInfo class a new > addition (I'm only on 3.12.0)? Unfortunately for you, that attribute was added less than a month after 3.12.0 was released. :) Regards, -- Andrej -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Sep 19 11:43:57 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 10:43:57 +0100 Subject: [Users] search - how to In-Reply-To: <20160917150930.06ed1fd5@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160917121410.0f0d1692@acer-suse.lan> <20160917143648.71beb7b2@kujata> <20160917150930.06ed1fd5@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160919104357.1fddc677@kujata> On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:09:30 +0100 Dave Howorth wrote: > Ah, thanks. I hadn't spotted that, and I see it is documented. Doh! > Is there a way to change the magnifying glass colour to something > more noticeable? Yes. Create your own theme. A theme can contain just one icon, when any icons are not present in the theme the default icon is used instead. The icon which you are talking about is src/pixmaps/quicksearch.xpm See here for more info about themes: http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Icon_Themes_Information Basically, create your theme directory: ~/claws-mail/themes/[CoolTheme] Put your modified quicksearch.xpm (can also be png format) in that directory, select your theme in /Preferences/Configuration/Display/Themes and you're done. with regards Paul From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Sep 19 11:46:02 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 09:46:02 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3690] quick search only works on mouse clicking to other folders, not via up/down arrows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3690 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #1 from Paul --- Use the TAB key to move the focus to the folder list. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Sep 19 14:57:45 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 12:57:45 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3690] quick search only works on mouse clicking to other folders, not via up/down arrows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3690 --- Comment #2 from Pierre Fortin --- Created attachment 1684 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1684&action=edit Focus stuck in QuickSearch with no active Clear button. But that defeats having Focus follows mouse... not to mention that there's no visual clue where focus resides. Worse, when I use Tab, then up/down to see where focus currently resides, I get stuck in the Quick Search bar with no active Clear. I have to click and manually clear the field; or hit Enter to force a search which then gives Clear. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Sep 19 16:18:04 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:18:04 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3691] New: Unlike click to focus, TAB is inconsistent and does not update panes Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3691 Bug ID: 3691 Summary: Unlike click to focus, TAB is inconsistent and does not update panes Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: GIT Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: pf at pfortin.com Starting by clicking in message text area... First TAB moves focus to folder list. Using up/down selects other folders; but message list is not updated. Next TAB moves to message list which acts as expected. Next TAB moves to QS selector; but up moves back to message list, down moves to message. For UI consistency, up/down should move up/down in the selector list. Next TAB moves to QS field. Up inserts bottom history; down inserts top history -- both with no Clear requiring one of: - manual clear - Enter (invoking search) which enables Clear - Using ESC (not obvious to new/casual users of QS) -- add ESC to label? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Sep 19 16:23:58 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 14:23:58 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3691] Unlike click to focus, TAB is inconsistent and does not update panes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3691 --- Comment #1 from Pierre Fortin --- Argh... incomplete report... submitted accidentally. Next TAB moves to message pane. If a scroll bar exists, up/down scrolls as expected; without scroll bar, up moves focus back to QS entry field -- this is why it appeared stuck in QS where up/down moves through history. That's probably enough for now... :) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From dave at howorth.org.uk Tue Sep 20 22:19:53 2016 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 21:19:53 +0100 Subject: [Users] reply to list Message-ID: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> I'm trying to use the Reply to Mailing-list function to reply to the opensuse-users list, but it is replying both to the list and to the author. Avoiding a spam copy to the author is exactly what I thought reply to list was all about, so I wonder if I've missed some configuration or something? The opensuse list has a somewhat unusual policy with regards to headers: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists_subscription#Why_do_my_replies_go_to_the_original_poster_and_not_the_list.3F Note that despite the exhortation in the following FAQ, most subscribers do not 'munge' the headers on the mail they send to the list either, but neither do they expect two copies because they expect reply-to-list to work as in Thunderbird or Evolution and only send the reply to the list. Is there any way to let claws know the behaviour I'd like? From silver.bullet at zoho.com Tue Sep 20 23:59:41 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:59:41 +0200 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160920235941.0b8c481c@utnubu> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 21:19:53 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: >Is there any way to let claws know the behaviour I'd like? Reply to list works with Claws, too. The major different between Evolution and Claws is, that for Evolution "Group Reply", aka "All" and for Claws "Reply" evokes the mailing list reply. Apart from this, some mailing lists override the "Reply-To" header, while other don't do so. Both, Evolution's "Group Reply", aka "All" and Claws' "Reply" evoking the mailing list reply, have got pros and cons, e.g. related to open mailing lists, but I don't want to go into details now. Ensure that Configuration > Preferences > Compose > Writing > Replying > Reply button invokes mailing list reply is checked and then use the "Reply" button and _not_ the "All" button, to reply to the mailing list. Regards, Ralf From silver.bullet at zoho.com Wed Sep 21 00:18:47 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 00:18:47 +0200 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160920235941.0b8c481c@utnubu> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920235941.0b8c481c@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160921001847.3ca57209@utnubu> PS: Note, there are several pitfalls, sometimes true for either Evolution and Claws. E.g. some mailing lists allow to avoid duplicated messages by the settings, http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node21.html . So if somebody sends to the mailing list + to you directly, depending to the mailing list setting, it could happen, that you neither receive duplicates, nor any mail from the list at all. You probably only receive the mail that was directly send to you, so the mailing list headers are missing and an MUA's mailing list features require those headers. From dave at howorth.org.uk Wed Sep 21 00:20:47 2016 From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:20:47 +0100 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160920235941.0b8c481c@utnubu> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920235941.0b8c481c@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160920232047.5c869f92@acer-suse.lan> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:59:41 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 21:19:53 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: > >Is there any way to let claws know the behaviour I'd like? > > Reply to list works with Claws, too. The major different between > Evolution and Claws is, that for Evolution "Group Reply", aka "All" > and for Claws "Reply" evokes the mailing list reply. Apart from this, > some mailing lists override the "Reply-To" header, while other don't > do so. Both, Evolution's "Group Reply", aka "All" and Claws' "Reply" > evoking the mailing list reply, have got pros and cons, e.g. related > to open mailing lists, but I don't want to go into details now. Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to tell me with the paragraph above. > Ensure that > > Configuration > Preferences > Compose > Writing > Replying > Reply > button invokes mailing list reply That is how it's set, yes. > is checked and then use the "Reply" button and _not_ the "All" button, > to reply to the mailing list. Using the Reply button has the same effect as using the [Reply-to-]List button. That is it replies to BOTH the list and the OP on the opensuse list. That is not what I want as I thought I explained in my post. Cheers, Dave > Regards, > Ralf > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From rhutter at posteo.de Wed Sep 21 00:35:49 2016 From: rhutter at posteo.de (Ralf Hutter) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 00:35:49 +0200 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160920232047.5c869f92@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920235941.0b8c481c@utnubu> <20160920232047.5c869f92@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160921003549.447ac411@Trisdesk> I guess that's a matter of list settings. I experience different behaviours on different lists, when clicking on reply. On this list it works fine, by the way. Ralf On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:20:47 +0100 Dave Howorth wrote: > On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:59:41 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 21:19:53 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: > > >Is there any way to let claws know the behaviour I'd like? > > > > Reply to list works with Claws, too. The major different between > > Evolution and Claws is, that for Evolution "Group Reply", aka "All" > > and for Claws "Reply" evokes the mailing list reply. Apart from > > this, some mailing lists override the "Reply-To" header, while > > other don't do so. Both, Evolution's "Group Reply", aka "All" and > > Claws' "Reply" evoking the mailing list reply, have got pros and > > cons, e.g. related to open mailing lists, but I don't want to go > > into details now. > > Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to tell me with the > paragraph above. > > > Ensure that > > > > Configuration > Preferences > Compose > Writing > Replying > Reply > > button invokes mailing list reply > > That is how it's set, yes. > > > is checked and then use the "Reply" button and _not_ the "All" > > button, to reply to the mailing list. > > Using the Reply button has the same effect as using the > [Reply-to-]List button. That is it replies to BOTH the list and the > OP on the opensuse list. That is not what I want as I thought I > explained in my post. > > Cheers, Dave > > > Regards, > > Ralf > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Users mailing list > > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: not available URL: From silver.bullet at zoho.com Wed Sep 21 00:37:31 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 00:37:31 +0200 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160920232047.5c869f92@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920235941.0b8c481c@utnubu> <20160920232047.5c869f92@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160921003731.0461299b@utnubu> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:20:47 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: >Using the Reply button has the same effect as using the [Reply-to-]List >button. That is it replies to BOTH the list and the OP on the opensuse >list. That is not what I want as I thought I explained in my post. As already pointed out, Claws does reply to the mailing list only. Exceptions are related to the pros and cons I didn't explain in details. If you push "Reply" to reply to my mail, then your reply will only go to the mailing list, you will not send a mail to me, too. If this shouldn't work, then something is fishy by your Claws settings. If it should work, then everything is as expected and that it doesn't work for replies to some other mails, is related to the headers of those original mails, but then again, neither Evolution nor Claws full-fill each wanted behaviour, they simply focus on different behaviours, that have both advantages and disadvantages, e.g. if the default should be that the reply should only go to the list, but in some situations a coder wants a direct reply or for an open mailing list somebody who isn't subscribe wants a direct reply. There is not a singly behaviour right or wrong. Push "Reply" to reply to this mail and you'll see, that it works. Regards, Ralf From mir at miras.org Wed Sep 21 00:46:35 2016 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 00:46:35 +0200 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160920232047.5c869f92@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920235941.0b8c481c@utnubu> <20160920232047.5c869f92@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160921004635.3c6d0216@sleipner.datanom.net> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:20:47 +0100 Dave Howorth wrote: > > Using the Reply button has the same effect as using the [Reply-to-]List > button. That is it replies to BOTH the list and the OP on the opensuse > list. That is not what I want as I thought I explained in my post. > See this: https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node11.html -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/games/fortune -es says: I am two fools, I know, for loving, and for saying so. -- John Donne -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 163 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From suselist at cableone.net Wed Sep 21 00:47:29 2016 From: suselist at cableone.net (listreader) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 17:47:29 -0500 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160920174729.6f57e55d@msbhpmain.privatesite> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 21:19:53 +0100 Dave Howorth wrote: > I'm trying to use the Reply to Mailing-list function to reply to the > opensuse-users list, but it is replying both to the list and to the > author. Avoiding a spam copy to the author is exactly what I thought > reply to list was all about, so I wonder if I've missed some > configuration or something? > I'm opensuse also and I don't think I've ever modified claws default for this over the years. Just click Reply and you should automatically get the list-name as the To: and no extra copy to the author. Which is how I am sending this. If not so no your machine, let me know and I'll check through my settings. Ralph From silver.bullet at zoho.com Wed Sep 21 00:47:18 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 00:47:18 +0200 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160921003549.447ac411@Trisdesk> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920235941.0b8c481c@utnubu> <20160920232047.5c869f92@acer-suse.lan> <20160921003549.447ac411@Trisdesk> Message-ID: <20160921004718.2dbb3759@utnubu> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 00:35:49 +0200, Ralf Hutter wrote: >I guess that's a matter of list settings. Yes and no. It also is related to the headers of the original mail, you reply to. The author of the mail, who wants only receive mails from the list could control how your "Reply" works, by choosing the appropriate headers. This has got advantages and disadvantages, hence the difference between different MUAs, e.g. Evolution invokes mailing list replies by the "All" ("Group Reply") button and Claws by the "Reply" button. But indeed list settings affect the behaviour of MUAs, too. I'm not thinking about the mailman feature, that could be turned on and off by the user. There are settings that only the person who runs the list change, in this case overriding or keeping the reply-To header. From silver.bullet at zoho.com Wed Sep 21 00:54:51 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 00:54:51 +0200 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160920174729.6f57e55d@msbhpmain.privatesite> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920174729.6f57e55d@msbhpmain.privatesite> Message-ID: <20160921005451.4e523c1a@utnubu> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 17:47:29 -0500, listreader wrote: >I'm opensuse also and I don't think I've ever modified claws default >for this over the years. Just click Reply and you should automatically >get the list-name as the To: and no extra copy to the author. Which is >how I am sending this. > >If not so no your machine, let me know and I'll check through my >settings. Now click reply, to reply to my mail. From suselist at cableone.net Wed Sep 21 01:04:35 2016 From: suselist at cableone.net (listreader) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 18:04:35 -0500 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160920174729.6f57e55d@msbhpmain.privatesite> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920174729.6f57e55d@msbhpmain.privatesite> Message-ID: <20160920180435.2d590616@msbhpmain.privatesite> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 17:47:29 -0500 listreader wrote: > On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 21:19:53 +0100 > Dave Howorth wrote: > > > I'm trying to use the Reply to Mailing-list function to reply to the > > opensuse-users list, but it is replying both to the list and to the > > author. Avoiding a spam copy to the author is exactly what I thought > > reply to list was all about, so I wonder if I've missed some > > configuration or something? > > > > I'm opensuse also and I don't think I've ever modified claws default > for this over the years. Just click Reply and you should automatically > get the list-name as the To: and no extra copy to the author. Which > is how I am sending this. > > If not so no your machine, let me know and I'll check through my > settings. > I know replying to my own message is poor form but I should have put this in the previous message... Check the following setting: Configuration > Preferences > Compose > Writing and when there check the box that says "Reply button invokes mailing list reply". Ralph From slitt at troubleshooters.com Wed Sep 21 01:08:03 2016 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 19:08:03 -0400 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160921003731.0461299b@utnubu> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920235941.0b8c481c@utnubu> <20160920232047.5c869f92@acer-suse.lan> <20160921003731.0461299b@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160920190803.1aa60c2d@mydesk.domain.cxm> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 00:37:31 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:20:47 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: > >Using the Reply button has the same effect as using the > >[Reply-to-]List button. That is it replies to BOTH the list and the > >OP on the opensuse list. That is not what I want as I thought I > >explained in my post. > > As already pointed out, Claws does reply to the mailing list only. > Exceptions are related to the pros and cons I didn't explain in > details. If you push "Reply" to reply to my mail, then your reply > will only go to the mailing list, you will not send a mail to me, > too. If this shouldn't work, then something is fishy by your Claws > settings. If it should work, then everything is as expected and that > it doesn't work for replies to some other mails, is related to the > headers of those original mails, but then again, neither Evolution > nor Claws full-fill each wanted behaviour, they simply focus on > different behaviours, that have both advantages and disadvantages, > e.g. if the default should be that the reply should only go to the > list, but in some situations a coder wants a direct reply or for an > open mailing list somebody who isn't subscribe wants a direct reply. > There is not a singly behaviour right or wrong. > > Push "Reply" to reply to this mail and you'll see, that it works. > > Regards, > Ralf Of course it does, because you used no "reply to" the Claws mailing list is set (as it should be) to send replies to the list. Many other lists don't behave this way, and their admins say "use reply-to-list". So Dave asked about the reply-to-list button, and you replied about the Reply button (which Dave didn't mention), and you told him not to use reply-to-all (which Dave didn't mention and from context was clear he didn't use or intend to use). I don't know the answer to Dave's question, so could somebody give information about the **REPLY-TO-LIST FUNCTION**, which was what he asked about? SteveT Steve Litt September 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 From silver.bullet at zoho.com Wed Sep 21 01:14:19 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:14:19 +0200 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160920180435.2d590616@msbhpmain.privatesite> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920174729.6f57e55d@msbhpmain.privatesite> <20160920180435.2d590616@msbhpmain.privatesite> Message-ID: <20160921011419.3c814bed@utnubu> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 18:04:35 -0500, listreader wrote: >Check the following setting: > >Configuration > Preferences > Compose > Writing and when there check >the box that says "Reply button invokes mailing list reply". The OP already checked this option: On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:20:47 +0100 Dave Howorth wrote: >On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:59:41 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> Configuration > Preferences > Compose > Writing > Replying > Reply >> button invokes mailing list reply > >That is how it's set, yes. Actually the OP is used to MUAs that invoke the mailing list reply by the "All", aka "Group Reply", MUAs that in addition ignore "Reply-to", hence a different behaviour related to the received headers. There are valid reasons for both behaviours, the Claws behaviour and the behaviour of other MUAs. Regards, Ralf From suselist at cableone.net Wed Sep 21 01:21:32 2016 From: suselist at cableone.net (listreader) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 18:21:32 -0500 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160921005451.4e523c1a@utnubu> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920174729.6f57e55d@msbhpmain.privatesite> <20160921005451.4e523c1a@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160920182132.4d403e27@msbhpmain.privatesite> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 00:54:51 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 17:47:29 -0500, listreader wrote: > >I'm opensuse also and I don't think I've ever modified claws default > >for this over the years. Just click Reply and you should > >automatically get the list-name as the To: and no extra copy to the > >author. Which is how I am sending this. > > > >If not so no your machine, let me know and I'll check through my > >settings. > > Now click reply, to reply to my mail. > Invalid request. You've put my address as the To: and the list as the CC: so of course it would go directly to you if sent that way. So what are you "proving" here? Ralph From silver.bullet at zoho.com Wed Sep 21 01:25:35 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:25:35 +0200 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160920190803.1aa60c2d@mydesk.domain.cxm> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920235941.0b8c481c@utnubu> <20160920232047.5c869f92@acer-suse.lan> <20160921003731.0461299b@utnubu> <20160920190803.1aa60c2d@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: <20160921012535.6200e6c6@utnubu> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 19:08:03 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >Of course it does, because you used no "reply to" the Claws mailing >list is set (as it should be) to send replies to the list. > >Many other lists don't behave this way, and their admins say "use >reply-to-list". That's wrong. A mailing list by RFC 2369 provides mailing list headers. If not the mailing list is bad. >REPLY-TO-LIST FUNCTION If the preferences are set as mentioned, then it likely behaves the same way, as the "Reply" button does ;). As already pointed out, the OP expects a different approach. Why do people use the same email address for "Reply-To" headers, as the send address is? Regards, Ralf From mir at miras.org Wed Sep 21 01:25:43 2016 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:25:43 +0200 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160920190803.1aa60c2d@mydesk.domain.cxm> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920235941.0b8c481c@utnubu> <20160920232047.5c869f92@acer-suse.lan> <20160921003731.0461299b@utnubu> <20160920190803.1aa60c2d@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: <20160921012543.59dc580b@sleipner.datanom.net> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 19:08:03 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > > I don't know the answer to Dave's question, so could somebody give > information about the **REPLY-TO-LIST FUNCTION**, which was what he > asked about? > Basically REPLY-TO-LIST means a reply to a mail should go to the list if: 1) The list server address is either TO or mentioned in list headers and TO not different from list server 2) The mail does not specify a REPLY-TO different from list server So configure Reply button to reply to list which is a behavior as if user had pushed REPLY-TO-LIST button means basically if claws identifies a mail coming from a list server and the two rules above is satisfied then the mails TO field will automatically contain the list server address and nothing else. A special case is if the mail contains CC headers in which case these addresses remains as CC (all though very onusual for list replies). -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/games/fortune -es says: Once, adv.: Enough. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 163 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mir at miras.org Wed Sep 21 01:27:54 2016 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:27:54 +0200 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160921011419.3c814bed@utnubu> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920174729.6f57e55d@msbhpmain.privatesite> <20160920180435.2d590616@msbhpmain.privatesite> <20160921011419.3c814bed@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160921012754.030cbe1d@sleipner.datanom.net> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:14:19 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Actually the OP is used to MUAs that invoke the mailing list reply by > the "All", aka "Group Reply", MUAs that in addition ignore "Reply-to", > hence a different behaviour related to the received headers. There are > valid reasons for both behaviours, the Claws behaviour and the behaviour > of other MUAs. > MUA's that ignores REPLY-TO headers violates the RFC thereby by definition is defective by design. -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/games/fortune -es says: "Rembrandt's first name was Beauregard, which is why he never used it." -- Dave Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 163 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From silver.bullet at zoho.com Wed Sep 21 01:32:19 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:32:19 +0200 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160920182132.4d403e27@msbhpmain.privatesite> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920174729.6f57e55d@msbhpmain.privatesite> <20160921005451.4e523c1a@utnubu> <20160920182132.4d403e27@msbhpmain.privatesite> Message-ID: <20160921013219.1d611c4d@utnubu> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 18:21:32 -0500, listreader wrote: >On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 00:54:51 +0200 >Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 17:47:29 -0500, listreader wrote: >> >I'm opensuse also and I don't think I've ever modified claws default >> >for this over the years. Just click Reply and you should >> >automatically get the list-name as the To: and no extra copy to the >> >author. Which is how I am sending this. >> > >> >If not so no your machine, let me know and I'll check through my >> >settings. >> >> Now click reply, to reply to my mail. >> > >Invalid request. You've put my address as the To: and the list as the >CC: so of course it would go directly to you if sent that way. So what >are you "proving" here? Now it becomes tricky, if you disabled duplicates, then you didn't receive a mail from the mailing list, just the mail directly from me, without the mailing list headers. If you received a mail from the mailing list, including the mailing list header, then there's another pitfall, I added my email address by the Reply-to header. However, if the mailing list reply is invoked by "All", then "All" means mailing list only. It's a chain of pitfalls, related to one approach vs another approach. Regards, Ralf From silver.bullet at zoho.com Wed Sep 21 01:40:48 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:40:48 +0200 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160921012754.030cbe1d@sleipner.datanom.net> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920174729.6f57e55d@msbhpmain.privatesite> <20160920180435.2d590616@msbhpmain.privatesite> <20160921011419.3c814bed@utnubu> <20160921012754.030cbe1d@sleipner.datanom.net> Message-ID: <20160921014048.6fe29fab@utnubu> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:27:54 +0200, Michael Rasmussen wrote: >On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:14:19 +0200 >Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> >> Actually the OP is used to MUAs that invoke the mailing list reply by >> the "All", aka "Group Reply", MUAs that in addition ignore >> "Reply-to", hence a different behaviour related to the received >> headers. There are valid reasons for both behaviours, the Claws >> behaviour and the behaviour of other MUAs. >> >MUA's that ignores REPLY-TO headers violates the RFC thereby by >definition is defective by design. I agree with you, I only explain ;). On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:25:43 +0200, Michael Rasmussen wrote: >A special case is if the mail contains CC headers in which case these >addresses remains as CC (all though very onusual for list replies). So at least invoking mailing list replies by "All" instead of "Reply" doesn't offend RFC and could cause a different behaviour. However, Claws not necessarily keeps Cc headers. If I reply to a mail To: arch-general at archlinux.org Cc: Somebody or To: Somebody Cc: linux-audio-dev at lists.linuxaudio.org the reply goes only to the list. Regards, Ralf From mir at miras.org Wed Sep 21 01:52:08 2016 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:52:08 +0200 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160921014048.6fe29fab@utnubu> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920174729.6f57e55d@msbhpmain.privatesite> <20160920180435.2d590616@msbhpmain.privatesite> <20160921011419.3c814bed@utnubu> <20160921012754.030cbe1d@sleipner.datanom.net> <20160921014048.6fe29fab@utnubu> Message-ID: <20160921015208.12753f2e@sleipner.datanom.net> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:40:48 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:25:43 +0200, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > >A special case is if the mail contains CC headers in which case these > >addresses remains as CC (all though very onusual for list replies). > > So at least invoking mailing list replies by "All" instead of "Reply" > doesn't offend RFC and could cause a different behaviour. > > However, Claws not necessarily keeps Cc headers. > I should have written 'CC might remain'. Corner cases cannot always with a 100% certainty be identified as list servers in which case behavior is undefined ;-) Eg. this mail you send to list: Message-ID: <20160921005451.4e523c1a at utnubu> Caused claws to have both TO and CC when hitting reply. -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/games/fortune -es says: He hated being thought of as one of those people that wore stupid ornamental armour. It was gilt by association. -- Terry Pratchett, "Night Watch" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 163 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From silver.bullet at zoho.com Wed Sep 21 02:14:33 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 02:14:33 +0200 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160921015208.12753f2e@sleipner.datanom.net> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920174729.6f57e55d@msbhpmain.privatesite> <20160920180435.2d590616@msbhpmain.privatesite> <20160921011419.3c814bed@utnubu> <20160921012754.030cbe1d@sleipner.datanom.net> <20160921014048.6fe29fab@utnubu> <20160921015208.12753f2e@sleipner.datanom.net> Message-ID: <20160921021433.6d95f9cc@utnubu> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:52:08 +0200, Michael Rasmussen wrote: >On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:40:48 +0200 >Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:25:43 +0200, Michael Rasmussen wrote: >> >A special case is if the mail contains CC headers in which case >> >these addresses remains as CC (all though very onusual for list >> >replies). >> >> So at least invoking mailing list replies by "All" instead of "Reply" >> doesn't offend RFC and could cause a different behaviour. >> >> However, Claws not necessarily keeps Cc headers. >> >I should have written 'CC might remain'. Corner cases cannot always >with a 100% certainty be identified as list servers in which case >behavior is undefined ;-) > >Eg. this mail you send to list: Message-ID: ><20160921005451.4e523c1a at utnubu> Yes, this is the horror mail. >Caused claws to have both TO and CC when hitting reply. Sometimes it's wanted to Cc, so it's good that Claws invokes mailing list replies by "Reply" and not "All", because "All" ensures that replies are send to "All", if explicitly is wanted, e.g. on developer mailing lists. OTOH a lot of users expect that even a Reply-to header is ignored, they often expect to automatically send replies only to the mailing list, what ever headers are provided or _even are not provided_, e.g. related to http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node21.html . You quasi could say that there's a user-friendly approach that ignores Reply-to, invokes reply to list by reply to all and perhaps even detects the mailing list, if a list header is missing, the list only is mentioned by To or Cc. And the other approach is user-centric, this approach provided by Claws allows better communication with other users, who don't need the quasi user-friendly approach, but the features available by Claws' approach. Regards, Ralf From rostedt at goodmis.org Wed Sep 21 02:19:46 2016 From: rostedt at goodmis.org (Steven Rostedt) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 20:19:46 -0400 Subject: [Users] Version 3.14.0, HTML messages & Fancy plugin In-Reply-To: <20160809134854.20f7ca36@linux-h4bv> References: <20160809134854.20f7ca36@linux-h4bv> Message-ID: <20160920201946.3a9d4d7d@grimm.local.home> On Tue, 9 Aug 2016 13:48:54 +1000 Joe Khamis wrote: > Greetings all. > > Downloaded and compiled 3.14.0 today (Tumbleweed). > > No great dramas with the exception displaying HTML messages. > > I suspect it has to do with the 'Fancy' plugin. > > Any help would be appreciated. > I have the exact same issue. When I did an update with Debian testing and it installed 3.14.0, Fancy stopped working. I've uninstalled then reinstalled, even tried to use an older version of claws-mail (which worked for a little). Now, what I noticed is that every so often I get the following message in the window when I enable "remote content" (which I have disabled by default): Problem occurred while loading the URL file:///home/rostedt/.claws-mail/mimetmp/00000007.mimetmp.html Error opening file /home/rostedt/.claws-mail/mimetmp/00000007.mimetmp.html: No such file or directory Then I try: $ ls /home/rostedt/.claws-mail/mimetmp/ 00000009.mimetmp.html claws.DD3COY claws.RPR6NY so somehow the file naming is getting out of sync. And yes, I checked that 00000009.mimetmp.html file, and it has the html of what is suppose to be displayed. -- Steve From slitt at troubleshooters.com Wed Sep 21 06:39:33 2016 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 00:39:33 -0400 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160921015208.12753f2e@sleipner.datanom.net> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920174729.6f57e55d@msbhpmain.privatesite> <20160920180435.2d590616@msbhpmain.privatesite> <20160921011419.3c814bed@utnubu> <20160921012754.030cbe1d@sleipner.datanom.net> <20160921014048.6fe29fab@utnubu> <20160921015208.12753f2e@sleipner.datanom.net> Message-ID: <20160921003933.50e29c68@mydesk.domain.cxm> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:52:08 +0200, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:40:48 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 01:25:43 +0200, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > > >A special case is if the mail contains CC headers in which case > > >these addresses remains as CC (all though very onusual for list > > >replies). > > > > So at least invoking mailing list replies by "All" instead of > > "Reply" doesn't offend RFC and could cause a different behaviour. > > > > However, Claws not necessarily keeps Cc headers. > > > I should have written 'CC might remain'. Corner cases cannot always > with a 100% certainty be identified as list servers in which case > behavior is undefined ;-) Unfortunately, CCs are getting quite common on technical mailing lists. I don't know why. We all know that for mailing lists that send replies to the list, a simple reply with no CC is adequate and simple. But noooooooo. Every day I get all sorts of replies to my posts that are To the list but CC me, or are To me but CC the list, and those things can end up in the list's folder, or in my INBOX. I and lots of others invariably tell people "I'm on the list, so please just reply to the list: I don't want or need duplicate copies." And these otherwise intelligent people continue CC'ing. As you mention, behavior on these CCs seems to be indeterminate, so I'm forced to take the extra step, when replying, of making sure my Reply to List button, which invokes CLAWS' REPLY-TO-LIST Function, actually sends it to the list and not to the individual. SteveT Steve Litt == Whose business shall never be mentioned on the Claws-Mail List == -- SteveT Steve Litt September 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 From silver.bullet at zoho.com Wed Sep 21 08:40:25 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 08:40:25 +0200 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160921003933.50e29c68@mydesk.domain.cxm> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> <20160920174729.6f57e55d@msbhpmain.privatesite> <20160920180435.2d590616@msbhpmain.privatesite> <20160921011419.3c814bed@utnubu> <20160921012754.030cbe1d@sleipner.datanom.net> <20160921014048.6fe29fab@utnubu> <20160921015208.12753f2e@sleipner.datanom.net> <20160921003933.50e29c68@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: <20160921084025.46595289@utnubu> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 00:39:33 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >Unfortunately, CCs are getting quite common on technical mailing lists. To Cc is not wrong per se. Cc could be wanted for two reasons. To include all coders and maintainers that need to follow a topic, but not necessarily follow the mailing list. For open-mailing lists, if somebody shouldn't be subscribed to the list. >As you mention, behavior on these CCs seems to be indeterminate, so I'm >forced to take the extra step, when replying, of making sure my Reply >to List button, which invokes CLAWS' REPLY-TO-LIST Function, actually >sends it to the list and not to the individual. You could call it "indeterminate", but it doesn't happen randomly. If you receive duplicated mails, it depends on what mail you use to reply. Do you reply to the mail with or without the mailing list headers? If you anyway use the mail without the mailing list headers, you could avoid receiving duplicated mails at least for mailman lists, http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node21.html , but without the mailing list headers replying to the mailing list doesn't work at all, a reply invokes a reply to the sender only, while "All" includes all Cc addresses. Cc are not included to a reply, if mailing list headers are available. "Reply to list" and a reply to list invoked by "Reply" do behave the same way. More problematic is the "Reply-to" header. Some people don't want to receive duplicated messages. They use a "Reply-to" header that is equal to the address they use to send mails. That is idiotic, since by default each MUA replies to the address used to send, as long as "Reply-to" doesn't mention another address. If the "Reply-to" is used when sending mail to a mailing list, a user should expect to receive duplicates, assuming the list doesn't override the "Reply-to". Regards, Ralf From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Sep 21 09:58:15 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 08:58:15 +0100 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <20160921085815.429538eb@kujata> Hi Dave, On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 21:19:53 +0100 Dave Howorth wrote: > Is there any way to let claws know the behaviour I'd like? If you can forward one of these messages as an attachment, or paste the headers from the message, then it should become clear(er) what is happening and why you are not getting the result you desire. Please forward me (as attachment) an example message, off-list. with regards Paul From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Sep 21 11:33:53 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:33:53 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3692] New: Scrollbar should be at bottom if messages are sorted by date in ascending order Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3692 Bug ID: 3692 Summary: Scrollbar should be at bottom if messages are sorted by date in ascending order Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail (Windows) Version: GIT Hardware: PC OS: Windows 10 Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: default Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: alt.rw-9o6f8p42 at yopmail.com If mails are sorted by date in ascending order the newest mails will be at the bottom of the list. However, the scrollbar will always be at the top of the folder by default and the previous position of the scrollbar is not restored after returning to a folder. The scrollbar should be positioned at the bottom of a folder if the folder is sorted by date in ascending order. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Sep 21 11:40:21 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:40:21 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3692] Scrollbar should be at bottom if messages are sorted by date in ascending order In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3692 --- Comment #1 from alt.rw-9o6f8p42 at yopmail.com --- A current workaround is to have the the last message in the list selected if a folder is opened. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Sep 21 11:46:22 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:46:22 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3693] New: Background color of selected message in list does not match label color Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3693 Bug ID: 3693 Summary: Background color of selected message in list does not match label color Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail (Windows) Version: GIT Hardware: PC OS: Windows NT Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: default Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: alt.rw-9o6f8p42 at yopmail.com The background color of a selected message in the list of messages should be the label color and the font color should be white for dark backgrounds and black for bright backgrounds. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Sep 21 11:46:35 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:46:35 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3693] Background color of selected message in list does not match label color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3693 alt.rw-9o6f8p42 at yopmail.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- OS|Windows NT |Windows 10 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Sep 21 11:50:29 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 09:50:29 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3692] Scrollbar should be at bottom if messages are sorted by date in ascending order In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3692 Andrej Kacian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #2 from Andrej Kacian --- It's not a workaround, it's a solution. You get to choose where you want the cursor to be on opening a folder. The program can't presume to read your mind. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Sep 21 12:35:21 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 10:35:21 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3693] Background color of selected message in list does not match label color In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3693 Andrej Kacian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|default |UI/Message List Product|Claws Mail (Windows) |Claws Mail Severity|normal |enhancement -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From dustbiz at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 16:00:35 2016 From: dustbiz at gmail.com (Dustin Miller) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 20:00:35 +0600 Subject: [Users] Version 3.14.0, HTML messages & Fancy plugin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160921200035.48e986b1@dpc> > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 20:19:46 -0400 > From: Steven Rostedt > To: Joe Khamis > Cc: users at lists.claws-mail.org > Subject: Re: [Users] Version 3.14.0, HTML messages & Fancy plugin > > On Tue, 9 Aug 2016 13:48:54 +1000 > Joe Khamis wrote: > > > Downloaded and compiled 3.14.0 today (Tumbleweed). > > > > No great dramas with the exception displaying HTML messages. > > > > I suspect it has to do with the 'Fancy' plugin. > > I have the exact same issue. When I did an update with Debian testing > and it installed 3.14.0, Fancy stopped working. I've uninstalled then > reinstalled, even tried to use an older version of claws-mail (which > worked for a little). Steve, (Joe, I've also CC'd you as I'm not sure you're subscribed to the Claws Mail users list) I just installed 3.14.0 recently (on a couple Ubuntu 14.04 systems) and here's a couple things that might help: 1) When you're able to run ./configure successfully, it gives some very useful output at the end in relation to what was enabled or disabled, based on whether the feature/plugin/etc.'s dependencies were found installed on the system or not. If it shows that 'Fancy' is disabled, then you can check the 'INSTALL' file in the source code package you downloaded to see if there are additional things you need to install. For this version, it shows that GTK+ WebKit (>= 1.0) is needed for the Fancy plugin. So that would be the first thing I would check, to make sure you've got that dependency installed. I'm not sure, but there's a chance that if you didn't have it installed before, you would need to run the ./configure process again and perhaps the whole install? 2) After completing #1 above (but before trying to view any HTML) on a machine where I had been using the Fancy plugin already, I went to Configuration --> Plugins and it showed the Fancy plugin entry in italics and when it was selected, it gave a notice that it was incompatible with this version of Claws Mail, or something to that effect. This took me by surprise, since I had made sure with #1 above that it was enabled in the build process. Thankfully, I figured out that all I had to do was 'Unload' the plugin and then 'Load' it again for the entry to appear in normal text and get rid of the warning. Also, it seems to be working fine on my systems. The description for the new working plugin starts with "This plugin renders HTML mail using the WebKit 2.4.10 library." in case that's helpful in figuring out the depend(s) you need for your system. > Now, what I noticed is that every so often I get the following message > in the window when I enable "remote content" (which I have disabled by > default): > > Problem occurred while loading the URL > file:///home/rostedt/.claws-mail/mimetmp/00000007.mimetmp.html > > Error opening > file /home/rostedt/.claws-mail/mimetmp/00000007.mimetmp.html: No such > file or directory > > Then I try: > > $ ls /home/rostedt/.claws-mail/mimetmp/ > 00000009.mimetmp.html claws.DD3COY claws.RPR6NY > > so somehow the file naming is getting out of sync. And yes, I checked > that 00000009.mimetmp.html file, and it has the html of what is > suppose to be displayed. Not sure about this, but I'm guessing if you find a solution based on what I wrote above, it will likely take care of this as well. Hope this helps. Dustin From lfisk at iserv.net Wed Sep 21 16:24:22 2016 From: lfisk at iserv.net (Leon Fisk) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 10:24:22 -0400 Subject: [Users] reply to list In-Reply-To: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> References: <20160920211953.5458a44a@acer-suse.lan> Message-ID: <201609211424.u8LEOKrv007488@mail5.iserv.net> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 21:19:53 +0100 Dave Howorth wrote: >I'm trying to use the Reply to Mailing-list function to reply to the >opensuse-users list, but it is replying both to the list and to the >author. Avoiding a spam copy to the author is exactly what I thought >reply to list was all about, so I wonder if I've missed some >configuration or something? > >The opensuse list has a somewhat unusual policy with regards to headers: I filter this Claws mailing list to its own special folder. Then I set the folder>properties>compose to the list address. Might do what you want if you don't mind having a special folder for each list... -- Leon Claws 3.14.0, Ubuntu Lucid From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Sep 21 17:03:13 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 15:03:13 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3694] New: Include more of the support documents in the Win release Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3694 Bug ID: 3694 Summary: Include more of the support documents in the Win release Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail (Windows) Version: 3.14.0 Hardware: PC OS: Windows 7 Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P3 Component: default Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: bbowler at bigelow.org Please include release notes, change log, readme, etc files in the windows distribution. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From Rodney.Myers at hitwe-8.org Wed Sep 21 18:03:23 2016 From: Rodney.Myers at hitwe-8.org (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:03:23 -0400 Subject: [Users] Version 3.14.0, HTML messages & Fancy plugin In-Reply-To: <20160921200035.48e986b1@dpc> References: <20160921200035.48e986b1@dpc> Message-ID: <20160921120323.5df0837f@riverside> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 20:00:35 +0600 Dustin Miller wrote: No go. end result is the same > > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 20:19:46 -0400 > > From: Steven Rostedt > > To: Joe Khamis > > Cc: users at lists.claws-mail.org > > Subject: Re: [Users] Version 3.14.0, HTML messages & Fancy plugin > > > > On Tue, 9 Aug 2016 13:48:54 +1000 > > Joe Khamis wrote: > > > > > Downloaded and compiled 3.14.0 today (Tumbleweed). > > > > > > No great dramas with the exception displaying HTML messages. > > > > > > I suspect it has to do with the 'Fancy' plugin. > > > > I have the exact same issue. When I did an update with Debian > > testing and it installed 3.14.0, Fancy stopped working. I've > > uninstalled then reinstalled, even tried to use an older version of > > claws-mail (which worked for a little). > > Steve, (Joe, I've also CC'd you as I'm not sure you're subscribed to > the Claws Mail users list) I just installed 3.14.0 recently (on a > couple Ubuntu 14.04 systems) and here's a couple things that might > help: > > 1) When you're able to run ./configure successfully, it gives some > very useful output at the end in relation to what was enabled or > disabled, based on whether the feature/plugin/etc.'s dependencies > were found installed on the system or not. If it shows that 'Fancy' > is disabled, then you can check the 'INSTALL' file in the source code > package you downloaded to see if there are additional things you need > to install. For this version, it shows that GTK+ WebKit (>= 1.0) is > needed for the Fancy plugin. So that would be the first thing I would > check, to make sure you've got that dependency installed. I'm not > sure, but there's a chance that if you didn't have it installed > before, you would need to run the ./configure process again and > perhaps the whole install? > > 2) After completing #1 above (but before trying to view any HTML) on a > machine where I had been using the Fancy plugin already, I went to > Configuration --> Plugins and it showed the Fancy plugin entry in > italics and when it was selected, it gave a notice that it was > incompatible with this version of Claws Mail, or something to that > effect. This took me by surprise, since I had made sure with #1 above > that it was enabled in the build process. Thankfully, I figured out > that all I had to do was 'Unload' the plugin and then 'Load' it again > for the entry to appear in normal text and get rid of the warning. > Also, it seems to be working fine on my systems. The description for > the new working plugin starts with "This plugin renders HTML mail > using the WebKit 2.4.10 library." in case that's helpful in figuring > out the depend(s) you need for your system. > > > Now, what I noticed is that every so often I get the following > > message in the window when I enable "remote content" (which I have > > disabled by default): > > > > Problem occurred while loading the URL > > file:///home/rostedt/.claws-mail/mimetmp/00000007.mimetmp.html > > > > Error opening > > file /home/rostedt/.claws-mail/mimetmp/00000007.mimetmp.html: No > > such file or directory > > > > Then I try: > > > > $ ls /home/rostedt/.claws-mail/mimetmp/ > > 00000009.mimetmp.html claws.DD3COY claws.RPR6NY > > > > so somehow the file naming is getting out of sync. And yes, I > > checked that 00000009.mimetmp.html file, and it has the html of > > what is suppose to be displayed. > > Not sure about this, but I'm guessing if you find a solution based on > what I wrote above, it will likely take care of this as well. Hope > this helps. > > Dustin > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 513 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Sep 21 18:05:51 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 16:05:51 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3695] New: Disallow selecting mailbox as destination for Copy.../Move... Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3695 Bug ID: 3695 Summary: Disallow selecting mailbox as destination for Copy.../Move... Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: GIT Hardware: PC OS: All Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P3 Component: UI Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: pf at pfortin.com Discovered due to invalid Copy... message to mailbox silently failing. 1. Added new mailbox (moved it to top -- relevant? [1]) 2. Copy... a message destination selector pointed to new [top] mailbox[2] (not inbox, ...) 3. OK silently ignored copy action. Suggest to not select/allow mailbox as destination (gray out mailboxes) [1] destination dialog defaulted to the new mailbox; after selecting its inbox, all future defaults were inbox. [2] tested with another new mailbox; but destination default still preselected inbox, so this may be a first-use-only issue. (I don't recall ever using Copy... previously) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Sep 21 18:11:05 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:11:05 +0100 Subject: [Users] Version 3.14.0, HTML messages & Fancy plugin In-Reply-To: <20160921120323.5df0837f@riverside> References: <20160921200035.48e986b1@dpc> <20160921120323.5df0837f@riverside> Message-ID: <20160921171105.79506ae4@kujata> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:03:23 -0400 "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: > No go. end result is the same What is that result?? with regards Paul From Rodney.Myers at hitwe-8.org Wed Sep 21 18:19:50 2016 From: Rodney.Myers at hitwe-8.org (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:19:50 -0400 Subject: [Users] Version 3.14.0, HTML messages & Fancy plugin In-Reply-To: <20160921171105.79506ae4@kujata> References: <20160921200035.48e986b1@dpc> <20160921120323.5df0837f@riverside> <20160921171105.79506ae4@kujata> Message-ID: <20160921121950.5ea22bad@riverside> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:11:05 +0100 Paul wrote: > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:03:23 -0400 > "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: > > > No go. end result is the same > > What is that result?? > > with regards > > Paul On some messages, it works. On others, as previously stated I'm getting; Unable to load page Problem occurred while loading the URL file:///home/rodney/.claws-mail/mimetmp/00000124.mimetmp.html Error opening file /home/rodney/.claws-mail/mimetmp/00000124.mimetmp.html: No such file or directory -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 513 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Sep 21 20:21:07 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 18:21:07 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3696] New: always use fully qualified default inbox Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3696 Bug ID: 3696 Summary: always use fully qualified default inbox Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: GIT Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P3 Component: Folders/MH Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: pf at pfortin.com After many years with only one mailbox shared by multiple email accounts, I added a new mailbox for testing/internal use, and moved it to the top in order. New mail began to appear in its Inbox. Discovered that several of my 14+ year old accounts only had "inbox" in the Default inbox field. Changed all accounts to point to full path (#mh/Mailbox/inbox) of the original to resolve. Any account containing should be converted to fully-qualified to avoid accidental delivery to the wrong mailbox after mailbox maintenance. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Sep 21 21:50:16 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 19:50:16 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3682] some senders moving from http to https for remote content; Fancy does not display this In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3682 --- Comment #6 from Pierre Fortin --- Created attachment 1685 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1685&action=edit hand-crafted message illustrating the problem Updating with my latest findings for the record. If I eventually find a solution, I'll update... This problem is really weird... it doesn't seem to be impacted by how the message is formatted: [non-]MIME, [non-]quoted-printable, ... This is happening on multiple sources of html mail. It became more noticeable when one list's messages switched from http:// to https:// links. At least, that was the initial impression. After much digging, the problem can be illustrated by the attached email which I hand-crafted to minimize what Fancy has to deal with, and adds various combinations. Every https:// link that Fancy attempts to get returns: ** (cm:26772): CRITICAL **: void webkit_network_request_set_uri(WebKitNetworkRequest*, const gchar*): assertion 'soupURI' failed This issue's impact is that I have to click each link to open it in the browser; rather than give me a visual of the topic which would allow me to make instant choices as to what might be of interest, or not. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Sep 21 22:44:11 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 20:44:11 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3682] some senders moving from http to https for remote content; Fancy does not display this In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3682 --- Comment #7 from Michael Rasmussen --- In my opinion the root cause to the fancy problem is that the html library used is webkit 1.x where development has stopped since all new development happens in webkit 2.x. If I am not mistaken the support for CSS 3 is pure in webkit 1.x and since more and more html tools turns to CSS 3 we will see an increasing numbers of html mails which does not render correct or in worst case does not render at all. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Sep 22 00:38:18 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 22:38:18 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3682] some senders moving from http to https for remote content; Fancy does not display this In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3682 --- Comment #8 from Paul --- Your hand-crafted message shows no problems for me at all, and it renders just as expected, with both images (URLs) loading without problem. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Sep 22 00:54:01 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 22:54:01 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3682] some senders moving from http to https for remote content; Fancy does not display this In-Reply-To: References: