From landersohn at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 12:15:45 2016
From: landersohn at gmail.com (Lutz Andersohn)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 06:15:45 -0500
Subject: [Users] vCalendar fails with SSL certificate error
Message-ID: <c4b10c95-25e0-42e9-827a-3b040868f507@email.bluemailapp.com>

First time user here.
Tried to subscribe to my google calendar with claws-mail on windows and got the error that the ssl cert could not be verified. Apparently there is an option to turn this verficitation off. How do i turn this option on?
Thanks.

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From landersohn at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 12:17:29 2016
From: landersohn at gmail.com (Lutz Andersohn)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 06:17:29 -0500
Subject: [Users] Inbox automatically groups messages into threads
Message-ID: <6f84c055-0465-4335-90d4-6cb488e7e599@email.bluemailapp.com>

How do i turn the automatic grouping of messages into threads off in my inbox?
I prefer a simple list .
Thank you all

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  1 12:19:03 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 11:19:03 +0000
Subject: [Users] vCalendar fails with SSL certificate error
In-Reply-To: <c4b10c95-25e0-42e9-827a-3b040868f507@email.bluemailapp.com>
References: <c4b10c95-25e0-42e9-827a-3b040868f507@email.bluemailapp.com>
Message-ID: <20161101111903.2cbb4ba9@kujata>

On Tue, 01 Nov 2016 06:15:45 -0500
Lutz Andersohn <landersohn at gmail.com> wrote: 

> First time user here.
> Tried to subscribe to my google calendar with claws-mail on windows
> and got the error that the ssl cert could not be verified.
> Apparently there is an option to turn this verficitation off. How
> do i turn this option on? Thanks.

The option 'Verify SSL certificate validity' is on the vCalendar
preferences page here:
/Configuration/Preferences/Plugins/vCalendar

with regards

Paul


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  1 12:19:49 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 11:19:49 +0000
Subject: [Users] Inbox automatically groups messages into threads
In-Reply-To: <6f84c055-0465-4335-90d4-6cb488e7e599@email.bluemailapp.com>
References: <6f84c055-0465-4335-90d4-6cb488e7e599@email.bluemailapp.com>
Message-ID: <20161101111949.672b9256@kujata>

On Tue, 01 Nov 2016 06:17:29 -0500
Lutz Andersohn <landersohn at gmail.com> wrote: 

> How do i turn the automatic grouping of messages into threads off
> in my inbox? I prefer a simple list .

/View/Thread view

This is a per-folder option.

with regards

Paul


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  1 12:23:51 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 11:23:51 +0000
Subject: [Users] Fancy shows the wrong message
In-Reply-To: <20161031135108.3963f976@grainne.squirrel.nl>
References: <20161031135108.3963f976@grainne.squirrel.nl>
Message-ID: <20161101112351.7521cc44@kujata>

On Mon, 31 Oct 2016 13:51:08 +0100
Johan Vromans <jvromans at squirrel.nl> wrote: 

> I can visit messages and they display correctly, but when I switch
> to the 'fancy html view' I sometimes get a totally different
> message (one that has been displayed earlier). Apparently a caching
> issue.

The Fancy plugin keeps the last message in memory until it loads
another. This is a restriction of the underlying library.

Your problem is probably because the next message cannot be
displayed. And this is probably caused by a bug outside of Claws
Mail. See
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3644

with regards

Paul


From lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net  Tue Nov  1 13:42:38 2016
From: lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net (Richard)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 12:42:38 +0000
Subject: [Users] Inbox automatically groups messages into threads
In-Reply-To: <20161101111949.672b9256@kujata>
References: <6f84c055-0465-4335-90d4-6cb488e7e599@email.bluemailapp.com>
 <20161101111949.672b9256@kujata>
Message-ID: <9D38EE899932F2D9E7D8CD7E@ritz.innovate.net>


> Date: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:19:49 +0000
> From: Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk>
>
> On Tue, 01 Nov 2016 06:17:29 -0500
> Lutz Andersohn <landersohn at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
>> How do i turn the automatic grouping of messages into threads off
>> in my inbox? I prefer a simple list .
> 
> /View/Thread view
> 
> This is a per-folder option.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul

Is there a global setting for this, so that it can be switched
between threaded and not, without having to visit every folder?




From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  1 13:53:11 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 12:53:11 +0000
Subject: [Users] Inbox automatically groups messages into threads
In-Reply-To: <9D38EE899932F2D9E7D8CD7E@ritz.innovate.net>
References: <6f84c055-0465-4335-90d4-6cb488e7e599@email.bluemailapp.com>
 <20161101111949.672b9256@kujata>
 <9D38EE899932F2D9E7D8CD7E@ritz.innovate.net>
Message-ID: <20161101125311.5976cd4a@kujata>

On Tue, 01 Nov 2016 12:42:38 +0000
Richard <lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net> wrote: 

> Is there a global setting for this, so that it can be switched
> between threaded and not, without having to visit every folder?

No. But if you're not visiting a folder it doesn't matter, right?
Ctrl+T is the default keyboard shortcut.

with regards

Paul


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  1 14:49:58 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 13:49:58 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3718] New: vCalendar crashes loading Google ICS
	calendar
Message-ID: <bug-3718-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3718

            Bug ID: 3718
           Summary: vCalendar crashes loading Google ICS calendar
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail (Windows)
           Version: 3.14.0
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Windows 7
            Status: NEW
          Severity: blocker
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: landersohn at gmail.com

This bug was filed against 3.9.3 and is still (or again) present for me in
3.14.0:

I added a subscription to my google private calendar ICS URL after turning SSL
certificate verification off.
When loading the calendar, I get the windows message "The application stopped
working".

Works OK in 3.11 under linux

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  1 14:59:12 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 13:59:12 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3718] vCalendar crashes loading Google ICS calendar
In-Reply-To: <bug-3718-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3718-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3718-595-geBXNA8LI9@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3718

--- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
There have been several bugfixes to vcalendar made recently, mostly for crashes
in the Windows version, so chances are your particular crash is fixed already.
New version is coming out next week, so let's wait for that.

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From landersohn at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 17:03:35 2016
From: landersohn at gmail.com (Lutz Andersohn)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 11:03:35 -0500
Subject: [Users] Claws-mail for windows crashes in vCalendar loading ICS
	calendar
Message-ID: <1478016215.10169.23.camel@gmail.com>

Just tried to use vCalendar in claws-mail 3.14.0-1 for windows and it
crashes when loading an ICS google calendar (I filed a bug). Seems like
this was an issue in 3.9 as well.

Anyway, does anybody have a link where I could download 3.11 binaries
for windows?

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From John at wexfordpress.com  Wed Nov  2 04:45:09 2016
From: John at wexfordpress.com (John Culleton)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 23:45:09 -0400
Subject: [Users] Spam choice blanked out
Message-ID: <20161101234509.385efba9@wexford>


I am running CM 3.13.2. (new computer).Formerly I got messages saying I
needed bogofilter. So I installed bogofilterr and rebooted. Now the
"spam" choice on the menu bar is grayesd out.But I get no maesages. 

OS is Slackware 1.4.2
-- 

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Wexford Press
410-795-1159





From brad at fineby.me.uk  Tue Nov  1 22:29:20 2016
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 21:29:20 +0000
Subject: [Users] Spam choice blanked out
In-Reply-To: <20161101234509.385efba9@wexford>
References: <20161101234509.385efba9@wexford>
Message-ID: <20161101212920.0a498996@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Tue, 1 Nov 2016 23:45:09 -0400
John Culleton <John at wexfordpress.com> wrote:

Hello John,

>needed bogofilter. So I installed bogofilterr and rebooted. Now the
>"spam" choice on the menu bar is grayesd out.But I get no maesages. 

Install the bogofilter plugin at Configuration Menu/Plugins...

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        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
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From pf at pfortin.com  Wed Nov  2 08:07:40 2016
From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 03:07:40 -0400
Subject: [Users] Wrapping after pasting text...
Message-ID: <20161102030740.1481a5af@pfortin.com>

With:
 [X] Auto wrapping
 [ ] Wrap pasted text
anytime anything is pasted, that text doesn't wrap (as expected).

However, anything that is typed after the paste is also not wrapped,
making the rest of the input unwrapped.  Shouldn't typed text be treated
separately from pasted text, and wrapped?

Cheers,
Pierre


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov  2 09:49:39 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 08:49:39 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3716] Segmentation fault when trying to remove MH.
In-Reply-To: <bug-3716-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3716-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3716-595-T9F4hlkonC@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3716

--- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
(In reply to comment #0)
> Removed Account.
> Removed Account's MailFolder (MH).
> Starting ClawsMail in terminal..

You mean that after this removal you had no accounts and no mailboxes?

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From andrej at kacian.sk  Wed Nov  2 10:19:29 2016
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 10:19:29 +0100
Subject: [Users] Claws-mail for windows crashes in vCalendar loading ICS
 calendar
In-Reply-To: <1478016215.10169.23.camel@gmail.com>
References: <1478016215.10169.23.camel@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20161102101929.33e8c864@foobardomain>

On Tue, 01 Nov 2016 11:03:35 -0500
Lutz Andersohn <landersohn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just tried to use vCalendar in claws-mail 3.14.0-1 for windows and it
> crashes when loading an ICS google calendar (I filed a bug). Seems
> like this was an issue in 3.9 as well.
> 
> Anyway, does anybody have a link where I could download 3.11 binaries
> for windows?
> 

Hello,

there are no 3.11 binaries for Windows.

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov  2 10:45:27 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 09:45:27 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3716] Segmentation fault when trying to remove MH.
In-Reply-To: <bug-3716-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3716-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3716-595-LgqcTeeVtZ@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3716

--- Comment #3 from Andrew L. <br3eze at rambler.ru> ---
Sorry for my english.
I have 5 accounts. Tried to remove 2 of them.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov  2 10:53:32 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2016 09:53:32 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3716] Segmentation fault when trying to remove MH.
In-Reply-To: <bug-3716-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3716-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3716-595-Jj6b3sDnT2@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3716

--- Comment #4 from Andrew L. <br3eze at rambler.ru> ---
Now, I have 3 accounts. Now everything is fine. But it was a hard war removing
folders.

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From John at wexfordpress.com  Thu Nov  3 04:03:37 2016
From: John at wexfordpress.com (John Culleton)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 23:03:37 -0400
Subject: [Users] Spam choice blanked out
In-Reply-To: <20161101234509.385efba9@wexford>
References: <20161101234509.385efba9@wexford>
Message-ID: <20161102230337.0058b79f@wexford>

On Tue, 1 Nov 2016 23:45:09 -0400
John Culleton <John at wexfordpress.com> wrote:

> I am running CM 3.13.2. (new computer).Formerly I got messages saying
> I needed bogofilter. So I installed bogofilterr and rebooted. Now the
> "spam" choice on the menu bar is grayesd out.But I get no maesages. 
> 
> OS is Slackware 1.4.2

-----------------------------
I should note that there is no choice at all for "mark as Ham"
I added directories ham, Ham, spam and Spam but that didn't help
either. I will go back to my oldest computer from which I copied the
directory .claws-mail.

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Wexford Press
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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Wed Nov  2 21:43:49 2016
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:43:49 +0000
Subject: [Users] Spam choice blanked out
In-Reply-To: <20161102230337.0058b79f@wexford>
References: <20161101234509.385efba9@wexford> <20161102230337.0058b79f@wexford>
Message-ID: <20161102204349.2928b6a7@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 23:03:37 -0400
John Culleton <John at wexfordpress.com> wrote:

Hello John,

>I should note that there is no choice at all for "mark as Ham"

When a message that's been previously marked as spam (either
automatically or by yourself) is highlighted, the "Spam" toolbar button
automagically becomes a "Ham" button.  That way, should the message be a
false hit, you can relearn as ham without additional work.

Also note that the Spam toolbar has a small arrow at the right hand
side.  Clicking that arrow allows you to select from "Learn as Spam" and
"Learn as Ham".  It should be obvious that it's only necessary to use
that option if bogofilter is unsure about the ham/spam status of a
message.

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From landersohn at gmail.com  Thu Nov  3 03:32:12 2016
From: landersohn at gmail.com (Lutz Andersohn)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 21:32:12 -0500
Subject: [Users] Can vCalendar publish meetings to an ICS calendar (Google)
Message-ID: <CABFhgjojQBUzAANzzB2Ve1Bw=yfHwxy3Q=c+FM=NADXG-g8+zQ@mail.gmail.com>

All,
I have vCalendar to the point where claws-mail shows meetings from my
Google calendar.
Question, though: how can I create a meeting in claws-mail which then gets
pushed/[ub;ijed to my Google caendar? Can vCalendar handle this?
I tried automatic export to my Google calendar ICS URL but that didn't do
anything.

Thanks
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From oao at csi.com  Thu Nov  3 18:44:04 2016
From: oao at csi.com (oao at csi.com)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2016 10:44:04 -0700
Subject: [Users] Windows7/10 installation
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1478194110.12812.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
References: <mailman.0.1478194110.12812.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
Message-ID: <20161103.174404.828.1@[0.0.0.0]>

Hi,

I have one question and one problem:

Question: How do I customize the install location (drive/folder) for the program, settings and data (messages) ?
After installation, how do I find/change them in the configuration files?

Problem: Does anybody know why the SMTP password is dropped and I am re-prompted for it every session?

Thanks.

FP


From kae at midnighthax.com  Fri Nov  4 09:38:15 2016
From: kae at midnighthax.com (Keith Edmunds)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 08:38:15 +0000
Subject: [Users] One character eaten
Message-ID: <20161104083815.0188e74a@ws.midnighthax.com>

Bit of a long shot, but anyway...

Claws 3.14

I have Claws installed on a number of systems, all running Debian/XFCE. On
one of them only, when I use the 'change folder' ('G') or 'move to
folder' (^O), the dialog box pops up as expected. Then, whatever key I
type next (to select the folder) is ignored. After that, all is OK.

So, to move a mail to the "xyz" folder, I do:

 - ^O (dialog box appears)
 - x (nothing happens)
 - x (first folder starting with 'x' is selected)

Really open to any suggestions as to why this may be happening.

Thanks,
Keith
-- 
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than Americans do - you know, like healthcare, education and gun
control" - David Letterman
    


From ricardo at mones.org  Fri Nov  4 12:09:26 2016
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 12:09:26 +0100
Subject: [Users] One character eaten
In-Reply-To: <20161104083815.0188e74a@ws.midnighthax.com>
References: <20161104083815.0188e74a@ws.midnighthax.com>
Message-ID: <20161104110925.GA2928@busgosu.mones.org>

On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 08:38:15AM +0000, Keith Edmunds wrote:
> Bit of a long shot, but anyway...
> 
> Claws 3.14
> 
> I have Claws installed on a number of systems, all running Debian/XFCE. On
> one of them only, when I use the 'change folder' ('G') or 'move to
> folder' (^O), the dialog box pops up as expected. Then, whatever key I
> type next (to select the folder) is ignored. After that, all is OK.
> 
> So, to move a mail to the "xyz" folder, I do:
> 
>  - ^O (dialog box appears)
>  - x (nothing happens)
>  - x (first folder starting with 'x' is selected)
> 
> Really open to any suggestions as to why this may be happening.

I also use Debian (stable) + XFCE at work, and have not observed this.
You can also try to switch folder_search_wildcard hidden preference and
check if that improves (but I doubt so).

I'd try to find which things that system has different from the others:
GTK+ versions, Claws Mail config, environment variables, X input
methods, support libraries...

regards,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  Never send a human to do a machine's job.               Agent Smith

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From dustbiz at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 15:06:06 2016
From: dustbiz at gmail.com (Dustin Miller)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 10:06:06 -0400
Subject: [Users] One character eaten
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1478257202.26079.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
References: <mailman.3.1478257202.26079.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
Message-ID: <20161104100606.66f4c86b@dustin-NetPc>

> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 08:38:15 +0000
> From: Keith Edmunds <kae at midnighthax.com>
> Subject: [Users] One character eaten
> 
> Bit of a long shot, but anyway...
> 
> Claws 3.14
> 
> I have Claws installed on a number of systems, all running
> Debian/XFCE. On one of them only, when I use the 'change
> folder' ('G') or 'move to folder' (^O), the dialog box pops up as
> expected. Then, whatever key I type next (to select the folder) is
> ignored. After that, all is OK.
> 
> So, to move a mail to the "xyz" folder, I do:
> 
>  - ^O (dialog box appears)
>  - x (nothing happens)
>  - x (first folder starting with 'x' is selected)
> 
> Really open to any suggestions as to why this may be happening.

I have this same issue with 3.14 on a Lubuntu 14.04 system and posted
about it a month or two ago. Paul (one of the developers, I think) is
pretty sure that this is not something Claws-related, but rather
related to the particular desktop environment (DE) and/or windows
manager (WM) being used. This sounds right, because I had no problem
with this on two different Ubuntu 14.04 systems running an alternative
DE (Metacity Flashback, I think).

What I noticed is that there a few keys (but not letter keys) that are
responsive on first touch, but that most of them aren't. I also noticed
that if I use Alt-SpaceBar, go to the 'Layer' option and choose 'Always
on Top' that it then works as expected, but I'm not sure if this is
because of the keys I hit in doing it or because of the changed
setting. Not sure if/when I'll get around to it, but the next thing I
thought I would try was to see if I could change a config file
somewhere so that the 'Browse Folder' window (the same issue affects
hitting 'G' to move to a folder) would open with the 'Always on Top'
option as default, to see if that's a good workaround/solution. I also
checked all the 'user-friendly' settings (via menus, GUIs, etc.)
related to windows that I could find, but none of those seemed to have
options to fix the problem. For now, I've just gotten in the habit of
pressing the first key I want to use twice.

If you're willing/able to dig into and edit config/system files on your
system, then my advice would be to look into whatever documentation you
can find for the DE and/or WM you're using to see if there's a way to
edit/create some instructions somewhere that will open that window as
'Always on Top' (or its equivalent) by default. I don't know for sure
that this will work, but I think it's worth a shot. From the little
that I've searched online in relation to my system, I think it might be
possible, but it looked like it could take a bit of time/effort to
figure out. You may need to find out from the Claws code or a developer
what this window is called if it needs to be named in the DE/WM config
files, not sure.

It's my understanding that it's best practice for developers to avoid
using 'Always on Top' as a default for their apps since it can be rather
annoying for the user, but that shouldn't be an issue here if you
figure out how to make that change for yourself, since as soon as you
select what you want to in the window it closes.

Hope this helps at least a bit. :)


From kae at midnighthax.com  Fri Nov  4 22:41:04 2016
From: kae at midnighthax.com (Keith Edmunds)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 21:41:04 +0000
Subject: [Users] One character eaten
In-Reply-To: <20161104100606.66f4c86b@dustin-NetPc>
References: <mailman.3.1478257202.26079.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
 <20161104100606.66f4c86b@dustin-NetPc>
Message-ID: <20161104214104.0f111af9@ws.midnighthax.com>

Fixed it (thanks, Dustin, for some pointers). I removed the im-config
package and restarted X (actually, I rebooted). Problem gone.

I have no idea why.
-- 
"Soccer is one of those things that the rest of world cares about more
than Americans do - you know, like healthcare, education and gun
control" - David Letterman
    


From pf at pfortin.com  Fri Nov  4 23:50:09 2016
From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 18:50:09 -0400
Subject: [Users] Extra "to"
Message-ID: <20161104185009.7aebe5a2@pfortin.com>


src/messageview.c:852 reads:
    "It is advised to not to send the return receipt."),


From John at wexfordpress.com  Sat Nov  5 21:21:28 2016
From: John at wexfordpress.com (John Culleton)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 16:21:28 -0400
Subject: [Users] Spam choice blanked out
In-Reply-To: <20161102204349.2928b6a7@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20161101234509.385efba9@wexford> <20161102230337.0058b79f@wexford>
 <20161102204349.2928b6a7@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20161105162128.5f64d7d3@wexford>

On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 20:43:49 +0000
Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 23:03:37 -0400
> John Culleton <John at wexfordpress.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello John,
> 
> >I should note that there is no choice at all for "mark as Ham"  
> 
> When a message that's been previously marked as spam (either
> automatically or by yourself) is highlighted, the "Spam" toolbar
> button automagically becomes a "Ham" button.  That way, should the
> message be a false hit, you can relearn as ham without additional
> work.
> 
> Also note that the Spam toolbar has a small arrow at the right hand
> side.  Clicking that arrow allows you to select from "Learn as Spam"
> and "Learn as Ham".  It should be obvious that it's only necessary to
> use that option if bogofilter is unsure about the ham/spam status of a
> message.
> 
Ok thanks. I still have a "Spam" entry that is grayed out and
inoperative. Probably sojmething I copied from another computer is
messed up. I hater to just wipe out .claws-mail since I would lose all
the specs for my current configuration such as account passwords etc.

John Culleton
Wexford Press
410-795-1159





From brad at fineby.me.uk  Sat Nov  5 18:03:22 2016
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 17:03:22 +0000
Subject: [Users] Spam choice blanked out
In-Reply-To: <20161105162128.5f64d7d3@wexford>
References: <20161101234509.385efba9@wexford> <20161102230337.0058b79f@wexford>
 <20161102204349.2928b6a7@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20161105162128.5f64d7d3@wexford>
Message-ID: <20161105170322.40c7ccbc@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sat, 5 Nov 2016 16:21:28 -0400
John Culleton <John at wexfordpress.com> wrote:

Hello John,

>Ok thanks. I still have a "Spam" entry that is grayed out and
>inoperative. Probably sojmething I copied from another computer is

Mention of copying from one computer to another makes me wonder whether
you've actually got bogofilter installed on this new machine.  A
possibility, perhaps?

Having CM & the bogofilter plugin isn't enough.

>messed up. I hater to just wipe out .claws-mail since I would lose all
>the specs for my current configuration such as account passwords etc.

IKWYM.  You could make a backup of your current config directory and
start adding bits to a new config to see what, if anything, breaks.

-- 
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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
You couldn't find your feet, if you were looking for them
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov  6 13:27:11 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 12:27:11 +0000
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
Message-ID: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata>

6th November 2016                                   Claws Mail 3.14.1

		    CLAWS MAIL  RELEASE NOTES
                    http://www.claws-mail.org

Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast 
email client.

New in this release:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

* 'hide_timezone', a new hidden preference that sets the timezone of
  date fields sent over the network to the unknown timezone value as
  specified in RFC 5322 §3.3.  Default value is false (i.e., send
  available timezone information).

* 'rewrite_first_from', a new hidden preference which  works around a
  limitation of some servers with 'overly-liberal parsers'. When this
  is turned on and the Content-Transfer-Encoding is set to 8bit or
  7bit, in a message body starting with 'From ' the 'From ' will
  become '=46rom ' (i,e, encoded form of 'F') and the Content-
  Transfer-Encoding will be changed to Quoted-Printable. When it is
  turned off no such modification will be made but it is very likely
  that an MTA will convert the 'From ' to '>From '. See RFC 4155 for
  further details. Default value is '1', turned on.

* Templates: it is now possible to attach a file, using
  '|attach_output{sub_expr}' or '|A{sub_expr}', 'sub_expr' is
  evaluated as a command-line to get the filename name from, using an
  absolute /path/to/filename.

* IMAP mailboxes which show subscribed folders only are now indicated
  by a green folder icon.

  * The Icon Legend has had the missing folder icons added and also
    has an improved layout.

* Drafted messages: Do not add Message-ID for draft, unless the
  message already has one. A Message-ID header is now only added when
  queuing a message, and any existing Message-ID and References
  headers in drafts, if there are any, are kept.

* Disable hiding threads and messages in draft folders.

* The /View/Go to/... actions now respect the 'Open message when
  selected' option.

* In the UI 'POP' is used instead of 'POP3', 'IMAP' instead of
  'IMAP4', 'SSL/TLS' instead of 'SSL'.

* GnuTLS: Enforce "strong enough" Diffie-Hellman prime even when
  using older versions of GnuTLS library.

  Since GnuTLS 3.1.7, this minimum size is dictated by the priority
  string, and currently (GnuTLS 3.3.0) the "safe-enough" value is
  1008 bits. We set this minimum size explicitly for older GnuTLS
  versions.

  Users who are affected by this (their servers use DH prime smaller
  than 1008 bits) can override this by using a priority string
  starting with the keyword "LEGACY". However, this keyword only
  works with GnuTLS 3.3.0 or newer.

* RSSyl plugin: Enable keeping old items by default.

* vCalendar plugin: The ics file name is now used for the WebCal
  subscription folder name.

* vCalendar plugin: Use hours/minutes for vcalendar alert time.

* Notification plugin: Add support for unity/messaging menu.

* PDF Viewer plugin: The icons are now themeable.

* Updated manual in English and Spanish.

* Updated translations: Brazilian Portuguese, Catalan, Czech, Danish,
  Dutch, Finnish, French, Hebrew, Indonesian, Italian, Norwegian
  Bokmål, Russian, Slovak, Spanish, Swedish, Traditional Chinese,
  and Turkish.

* Bug fixes:
	o bug 2918, 'Notification Popup icon is hardcoded'
	o bug 3207, 'Claws segfaults when closing LDAP-enabled
		     address book'
	o bug 3515, 'Ctrl-Shift-X opens multiple external editors'
	o bug 3638, 'GData Plugin fails after initial Google
		     handshake'
	o bug 3665, 'Fix config script for macOS'
	o bug 3666, 'Typos in Turkish translation'
	o bug 3667, 'segfault in imap_session_authenticate'
	o bug 3675, 'RSSyl crash when opening Atom feed'
	o bug 3676, 'RSSyl crash when opening Atom feed with XML
		     depth >= 3'
	o bug 3678, 'Segfault when trying to add new account'
	o bug 3684, 'Socket error with POP3 using TLS client
		     certificate'
	o bug 3697, 'Export to mbox' causes crash'
	o bug 3705, 'active account Mail Address corrupted when
		     address in Message-ID is used'
	o bug 3711, 'Usage of (s)'
	o bug 3712, 'Name of the example domain in the translation'
	o fix non-resizeable Icon Legend dialogue
	o Fix a potential bug in vcalendar's libical
	o Fix potential crash in vcalendar's icalcomponent_vanew() on
	  64-bit archs.
	o Fix regression: show simple text/calendar with plugin.
	o Fix crash in vcalendar passwords handling on prefs save.
	o Few miscellaneous fixes for RSSyl.
	o several memory leaks.
	o Don't check for encrypt() on FreeBSD.
	o Add OpenBSD CA cert path.
	o Do not process folder marks when just refreshing
	  summaryview

For further details of the numbered bugs and RFEs listed above
see http://claws-mail.org/bug/[BUG NUMBER]

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See ChangeLog for full information regarding changes in this release.

	
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From jerry at seibercom.net  Sun Nov  6 13:45:47 2016
From: jerry at seibercom.net (Jerry)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 07:45:47 -0500
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161106074547.000001e6@seibercom.net>

On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 12:27:11 +0000, Paul stated:

>6th November 2016                                   Claws Mail 3.14.1
>
>		    CLAWS MAIL  RELEASE NOTES
>                    http://www.claws-mail.org
>
>Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast 
>email client.

Is there an ETA for the Windows version? I have the BETA version,
version 3.14.0-39-g986e6f-dirty installed and I would like to get an
updated version that has all of the bug fixes rolled up int it.

-- 
Jerry


From andrej at kacian.sk  Sun Nov  6 14:43:23 2016
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 14:43:23 +0100
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20161106074547.000001e6@seibercom.net>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata>
 <20161106074547.000001e6@seibercom.net>
Message-ID: <20161106144323.51c57c13@penny>

On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 07:45:47 -0500
Jerry <jerry at seibercom.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 12:27:11 +0000, Paul stated:
> 
> >6th November 2016                                   Claws Mail 3.14.1
> >
> >		    CLAWS MAIL  RELEASE NOTES
> >                    http://www.claws-mail.org
> >
> >Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast 
> >email client.  
> 
> Is there an ETA for the Windows version? I have the BETA version,
> version 3.14.0-39-g986e6f-dirty installed and I would like to get an
> updated version that has all of the bug fixes rolled up int it.
> 

Today or tomorrow. More probably today.

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From andrej at kacian.sk  Sun Nov  6 19:37:13 2016
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 19:37:13 +0100
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1-1 for Windows unleashed
Message-ID: <20161106193713.73f37d2a@penny>

6th October 2016                                     Claws Mail 3.14.1

              CLAWS MAIL FOR WINDOWS RELEASE NOTES
                http://www.claws-mail.org/win32

Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast
email client.

See http://www.claws-mail.org/news.php for full information regarding
changes since the previous release.

Changes specific to Windows are:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
* Starting this version, default build is for 64-bit Windows. As a
  fallback, build for 32-bit Windows is also offered for download.
* SSL/TLS support for RSSyl and VCalendar plugins now use Windows
  CA certificate store to verify server certificates.
* Using absolute path for MH mailboxes is now supported.
* Several bugfixes and improvements to file selection dialogs.
* Several bugfixes to VCalendar plugin, especially regarding time
  and date handling.
* Fixed a crash when doing a LDAP addressbook search.
* Some supporting libraries have been updated to more recent
  versions:
  o libgpg-error from 1.20 to 1.24
  o libgcrypt from 1.6.4 to 1.7.3
  o libassuan from 2.4.2 to 2.4.3
  o gpgme from 1.6.0 to 1.7.0
  o curl from 7.49.1 to 7.50.3
  o gtk+ from 2.24.30 to 2.24.31
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From andrej at kacian.sk  Sun Nov  6 20:51:42 2016
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 20:51:42 +0100
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1-1 for Windows unleashed
In-Reply-To: <20161106193713.73f37d2a@penny>
References: <20161106193713.73f37d2a@penny>
Message-ID: <20161106205142.41f6bbbe@penny>

On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 19:37:13 +0100
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

> 6th October 2016

Well, it's been out for a month, so what? :) Sorry about that, that
should've been "6th November 2016"...

Regards,
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov  6 21:26:17 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 20:26:17 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3719] New: Unable to sign mail
Message-ID: <bug-3719-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3719

            Bug ID: 3719
           Summary: Unable to sign mail
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail (Windows)
           Version: 3.14.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Windows 10
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: gerard.seibert at gmail.com

Created attachment 1692
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Screen capture of the error message.

Claws Mail version 3.14.1

Windows 10 PRO, version 1607, 64-bit operating system

I am unable to sign mail. Once upon a time, using the older 32 bit version, I
could sign mail.

I have attached a copy of a screen capture of the error message.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov  6 22:28:37 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 21:28:37 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3719] Unable to sign mail
In-Reply-To: <bug-3719-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3719-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3719-595-XePdMf1bVu@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3719

--- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
Hm, this is caused by me mistakenly thinking that the fix for issue
<https://bugs.gnupg.org/gnupg/issue2814> was included in the GPGME version
bundled in this release. Sorry about that, I will prepare a new release
(3.14.1-2) tomorrow, with this fixed.

In the meantime, GPG should work in the 32-bit version.

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From richardkimber at btinternet.com  Mon Nov  7 00:05:42 2016
From: richardkimber at btinternet.com (R Kimber)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 23:05:42 +0000
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20161106144323.51c57c13@penny>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata>
 <20161106074547.000001e6@seibercom.net>
 <20161106144323.51c57c13@penny>
Message-ID: <581B4AB3005D1C62@rgout08.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> (added by
 postmaster@btinternet.com)


How long will it likely take for it to get to the team's PPA for Ubuntu?

- Richard.
-- 
Richard Kimber



From claws-mail_user at thehugheslogcabin.net  Mon Nov  7 02:53:07 2016
From: claws-mail_user at thehugheslogcabin.net (Michael Hughes)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 19:53:07 -0600
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161106195307.5accfcf7@thehugheslogcabin.net>

On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 12:27:11 +0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> 6th November 2016                                   Claws Mail 3.14.1
> 
> 		    CLAWS MAIL  RELEASE NOTES
>                     http://www.claws-mail.org
> 

Compiled and running from 3.14.1git3

System Information
GTK+ 2.24.22 / GLib 2.42.1
Locale: C (charset: US-ASCII)
Operating System: FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p39 (amd64)

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From fragabr at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 04:10:19 2016
From: fragabr at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RMOibmllbA==?= Fraga)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 01:10:19 -0200
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata>
Message-ID: <nvorao$b2a$1@blaine.gmane.org>

On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 12:27:11 +0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> * RSSyl plugin: Enable keeping old items by default.

	It would be nice if there's an option to change this default,
since at least for my experience keeping a lot of the old items, RSSyl's
refresh will take much longer (using HDD). Maybe with SSD it's
irrelevant.

	Anyway I'll disable it when adding new RSS feeds.

-- 
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov  7 09:49:24 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 08:49:24 +0000
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <581B4AB3005D1C62@rgout08.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata>
 <20161106074547.000001e6@seibercom.net>
 <20161106144323.51c57c13@penny>
 <581B4AB3005D1C62@rgout08.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20161107084924.10a64405@kujata>

On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 23:05:42 +0000
R Kimber <richardkimber at btinternet.com> wrote: 

> How long will it likely take for it to get to the team's PPA for
> Ubuntu?

That's likely to be a long time, as no-one has the spare time for it
presently.

with regards

Paul


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov  7 11:27:57 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 10:27:57 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3720] New: Sudden crashes when opening mail
Message-ID: <bug-3720-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3720

            Bug ID: 3720
           Summary: Sudden crashes when opening mail
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail (Windows)
           Version: 3.14.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Windows 10
            Status: NEW
          Severity: critical
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: gerard.seibert at gmail.com

Created attachment 1693
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Debug log from GDB

Windows 10 PRO / 64-bit OS

Claws Mail version 3.14.1

This new version of claws-mail seems to crash for no apparent reason when
opening certain emails. I have not discovered a discernible pattern yet. I have
attached a copy of a debug session run under gdb. I hope it helps to find out
what the problem is.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov  7 13:06:15 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 12:06:15 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3720] Sudden crashes when opening mail
In-Reply-To: <bug-3720-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3720-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3720-595-JwTgXVWDod@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3720

--- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
Can you share one or two such e-mails? Please send them to me privately
(forward as attachment), so that I can try reproducing the crash.

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From rol at witbe.net  Mon Nov  7 14:43:07 2016
From: rol at witbe.net (Paul Rolland (=?UTF-8?B?44Od44O844Or44O744Ot44Op44Oz?=))
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 14:43:07 +0100
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161107144307.49f424ab@riri.DEF.witbe.net>

Hello,

On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 12:27:11 +0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> 6th November 2016                                   Claws Mail 3.14.1
> 
> 		    CLAWS MAIL  RELEASE NOTES
>                     http://www.claws-mail.org
> 
> Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast 
> email client.

Compiled, installed and working perfectly so far ;)
System Information
  GTK+ 2.24.28 / GLib 2.42.2
  Locale: en_US.UTF-8 (charset: UTF-8)
  Operating System: Linux 4.1.13-100.fc21.x86_64 (x86_64)

Thanks a lot,
Paul

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From fragabr at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 16:02:04 2016
From: fragabr at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RMOibmllbA==?= Fraga)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 13:02:04 -0200
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata>
Message-ID: <nvq519$b2a$2@blaine.gmane.org>

On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 12:27:11 +0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> * The /View/Go to/... actions now respect the 'Open message when
>   selected' option.

	Unfortunately this breaks the old behaviour when I could just
browse through the next messages using "N" (and opening it). I know I
can just set "Open messagen when selected" to "always", but it's
annoying when I click on a folder and the first message is selected
(sometimes I don't want to select any message on a folder, but just
read the Subject and read it later -- so it must be left as unread).

	The old behaviour was so much better (select message when
going to the next message, but not selecting when clicking on a folder).

	Is there a way to replicate this behaviour with 3.14.1 version?

-- 
https://exchangewar.info




From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov  7 16:11:01 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 15:11:01 +0000
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <nvq519$b2a$2@blaine.gmane.org>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata>
	<nvq519$b2a$2@blaine.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata>

On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 13:02:04 -0200
Dâniel Fraga <fragabr at gmail.com> wrote: 


> I could just
> browse through the next messages using "N" (and opening it).

Currently you will need to press N and then Enter.

> 	The old behaviour was so much better (select message when
> going to the next message, but not selecting when clicking on a
> folder).

A stronger argument was given: "I've specifically asked it not to
open messages, but it does anyway". This was the previous,
inconsistent method, which was just wrong.

> 	Is there a way to replicate this behaviour with 3.14.1
> version?

No.

with regards

Paul


From lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net  Mon Nov  7 16:57:20 2016
From: lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net (Richard)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 15:57:20 +0000
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
Message-ID: <E68A66EA76427B117E039602@ritz.innovate.net>



> Date: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:27:11 +0000
> From: Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk>
>
> 6th November 2016                                   Claws Mail
> 3.14.1
> 
> 		    CLAWS MAIL  RELEASE NOTES
>                     http://www.claws-mail.org
> 
> Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast 
> email client.

On a centos-7.2 system the compile fails in the included gdata
plugin. Dropping that plugin out lets the compile complete, and on
quick/minimal testing, this new release otherwise seems to work fine.

With 3.14.0, the gdata plugin compiled ok and worked. I see that
there were some changes to that plugin between versions, but haven't
otherwise poked into this much.




From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov  7 17:33:59 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 16:33:59 +0000
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <E68A66EA76427B117E039602@ritz.innovate.net>
References: <E68A66EA76427B117E039602@ritz.innovate.net>
Message-ID: <20161107163359.18c77215@kujata>

On Mon, 07 Nov 2016 15:57:20 +0000
Richard <lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net> wrote: 

> On a centos-7.2 system the compile fails in the included gdata
> plugin. Dropping that plugin out lets the compile complete, and on
> quick/minimal testing, this new release otherwise seems to work
> fine.
> 
> With 3.14.0, the gdata plugin compiled ok and worked. I see that
> there were some changes to that plugin between versions, but haven't
> otherwise poked into this much.

The ./configure output will tell you why it fails. But by 'fail' do
you mean that the gdata plugin is not built?

with regards

Paul


From lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net  Mon Nov  7 18:12:23 2016
From: lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net (Richard)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 17:12:23 +0000
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
Message-ID: <76E86CCD043C6655F1D88AEB@ritz.innovate.net>



> Date: Monday, November 07, 2016 16:33:59 +0000
> From: Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk>
>
> On Mon, 07 Nov 2016 15:57:20 +0000
> Richard  wrote: 
> 
>> On a centos-7.2 system the compile fails in the included gdata
>> plugin. Dropping that plugin out lets the compile complete, and on
>> quick/minimal testing, this new release otherwise seems to work
>> fine.
>> 
>> With 3.14.0, the gdata plugin compiled ok and worked. I see that
>> there were some changes to that plugin between versions, but
>> haven't otherwise poked into this much.
> 
> The ./configure output will tell you why it fails. But by 'fail' do
> you mean that the gdata plugin is not built?
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul

It passes the ./configure:

configure:21199: checking for GDATA
configure:21206: $PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "libgdata >=
0.17.1"
configure:21209: $? = 0
configure:21223: $PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "libgdata >=
0.17.1"
configure:21226: $? = 0
configure:21264: result: yes
 ... 
configure:22710: checking whether to build gdata plugin
configure:22721: result: yes
 ...
config.status:1531: creating src/plugins/gdata/Makefile
 ...
BUILD_GDATA_PLUGIN_FALSE='#'
BUILD_GDATA_PLUGIN_TRUE=''
 ...
GDATA_CFLAGS='-pthread -I/usr/include/libgdata -I/usr/include/gcr-3
-I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include/goa-1.0
-I/usr/lib64/goa-1.0/include -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/libsoup-2.4
-I/usr/include/json-glib-1.0 -I/usr/include/nss3 -I/usr/include/nspr4
-I/usr/include/gck-1 -I/usr/include/p11-kit-1  '
GDATA_LIBS='-lgdata -lxml2 -lsoup-2.4 -ljson-glib-1.0 -lgio-2.0
-lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0  '


but it "blows up" on the actual compile of the plugin:

cm_gdata_contacts.c: In function 'query':
cm_gdata_contacts.c:569:107: error: 'cm_gdata_refresh_ready'
undeclared (first use in this function)

gdata_authorizer_refresh_authorization_async(GDATA_AUTHORIZER(authorizer),
NULL, (GAsyncReadyCallback)cm_gdata_refresh_ready, NULL);

^
cm_gdata_contacts.c:569:107: note: each undeclared identifier is
reported only once for each function it appears in
cm_gdata_contacts.c:530:10: warning: unused variable 'token'
[-Wunused-variable]
   gchar *token;
          ^
cm_gdata_contacts.c: In function 'cm_gdata_contacts_done':
cm_gdata_contacts.c:644:10: warning: unused variable 'pass'
[-Wunused-variable]
   gchar *pass;
          ^
make[5]: *** [gdata_la-cm_gdata_contacts.lo] Error 1


If I use the cm_gdata_contacts.c code from .0, instead of what's
included with .1 it will compile under .1 (after doing a "make clean"
and "make" in that plugin's directory), and will load and pop up the
"GData plugin: Authorization required" box. I didn't go further and
try authenticating with google.




From landersohn at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 18:21:24 2016
From: landersohn at gmail.com (Lutz Andersohn)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 11:21:24 -0600
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1-1 for Windows unleashed
In-Reply-To: <20161106193713.73f37d2a@penny>
References: <20161106193713.73f37d2a@penny>
Message-ID: <20161107112124.00007b6a@gmail.com>

This version is - at least under windows - unfortunately pretty useless
to me. I need good calendar integration with WebCal (Google). Version
3.14.1-1 has the following problems

- Functionality: I cannot create a meeting in vCalendar and have it
  automatically published to my WebCal calendar so it's available
  elsewhere
- Bug 1: when it comes time to display a notification for an upcoming
  meeting, claws-mail crashes. Not sure whether this only happens for
  meeting from a subscribed webcal calendar or from the local calendar
  as well.
- Bug 2: when I configured it to check all mail and subscriptions at
  startup, it crashed. Had to manually edit the clawsrc file

I thought claws-mail was worth a shot but it looks like it's only half
a solution for me.


On Sun, 6 Nov 2016 19:37:13 +0100
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

> 6th October 2016                                     Claws Mail 3.14.1
> 
>               CLAWS MAIL FOR WINDOWS RELEASE NOTES
>                 http://www.claws-mail.org/win32
> 
> Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast
> email client.
> 
> See http://www.claws-mail.org/news.php for full information regarding
> changes since the previous release.
> 
> Changes specific to Windows are:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> * Starting this version, default build is for 64-bit Windows. As a
>   fallback, build for 32-bit Windows is also offered for download.
> * SSL/TLS support for RSSyl and VCalendar plugins now use Windows
>   CA certificate store to verify server certificates.
> * Using absolute path for MH mailboxes is now supported.
> * Several bugfixes and improvements to file selection dialogs.
> * Several bugfixes to VCalendar plugin, especially regarding time
>   and date handling.
> * Fixed a crash when doing a LDAP addressbook search.
> * Some supporting libraries have been updated to more recent
>   versions:
>   o libgpg-error from 1.20 to 1.24
>   o libgcrypt from 1.6.4 to 1.7.3
>   o libassuan from 2.4.2 to 2.4.3
>   o gpgme from 1.6.0 to 1.7.0
>   o curl from 7.49.1 to 7.50.3
>   o gtk+ from 2.24.30 to 2.24.31
> 



-- 
Lutz


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov  7 18:25:15 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 17:25:15 +0000
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <76E86CCD043C6655F1D88AEB@ritz.innovate.net>
References: <76E86CCD043C6655F1D88AEB@ritz.innovate.net>
Message-ID: <20161107172515.0e673f9f@kujata>

Hi Richard,

What version of libgdata are you building with?

All is fine here with libgdata 0.17.5.


regards

Paul


From lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net  Mon Nov  7 18:35:43 2016
From: lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net (Richard)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 17:35:43 +0000
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20161107172515.0e673f9f@kujata>
References: <76E86CCD043C6655F1D88AEB@ritz.innovate.net>
 <20161107172515.0e673f9f@kujata>
Message-ID: <329DE11DFDAD8ADEC6D72C4C@ritz.innovate.net>



> Date: Monday, November 07, 2016 17:25:15 +0000
> From: Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk>
>
> Hi Richard,
> 
> What version of libgdata are you building with?
> 
> All is fine here with libgdata 0.17.5.
> 
> 
> regards
> 
> Paul

  libgdata-devel-0.17.1-1.el7.x86_64
  libgdata-0.17.1-1.el7.x86_64

I don't see a newer release in the repositories that I generally use.
Centos-7.3 should be out in a couple of weeks, and a newer versions
of libgdata may be included there -- haven't gone poking to see yet.




From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov  7 18:45:46 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 17:45:46 +0000
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <329DE11DFDAD8ADEC6D72C4C@ritz.innovate.net>
References: <76E86CCD043C6655F1D88AEB@ritz.innovate.net>
 <20161107172515.0e673f9f@kujata>
 <329DE11DFDAD8ADEC6D72C4C@ritz.innovate.net>
Message-ID: <20161107174546.49e714bd@kujata>

On Mon, 07 Nov 2016 17:35:43 +0000
Richard <lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net> wrote: 

>   libgdata-devel-0.17.1-1.el7.x86_64
>   libgdata-0.17.1-1.el7.x86_64
> 
> I don't see a newer release in the repositories that I generally
> use. Centos-7.3 should be out in a couple of weeks, and a newer
> versions of libgdata may be included there -- haven't gone poking
> to see yet.

I've found the problem (if not the solution yet). The gData plugin is
currently broken for libgdata < 0.17.2

with regards

Paul


From andrej at kacian.sk  Mon Nov  7 18:50:37 2016
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 18:50:37 +0100
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <329DE11DFDAD8ADEC6D72C4C@ritz.innovate.net>
References: <76E86CCD043C6655F1D88AEB@ritz.innovate.net>
 <20161107172515.0e673f9f@kujata>
 <329DE11DFDAD8ADEC6D72C4C@ritz.innovate.net>
Message-ID: <20161107185037.5ee210d3@penny>

On Mon, 07 Nov 2016 17:35:43 +0000
Richard <lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net> wrote:

> I don't see a newer release in the repositories that I generally use.
> Centos-7.3 should be out in a couple of weeks, and a newer versions
> of libgdata may be included there -- haven't gone poking to see yet.

FWIW, RedHat Enterprise Linux 7.3 only contains libgdata-0.17.1-1, so
that's what Centos 7.3 is going to have.

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net  Mon Nov  7 19:06:17 2016
From: lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net (Richard)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 18:06:17 +0000
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20161107174546.49e714bd@kujata>
References: <76E86CCD043C6655F1D88AEB@ritz.innovate.net>
 <20161107172515.0e673f9f@kujata>
 <329DE11DFDAD8ADEC6D72C4C@ritz.innovate.net>
 <20161107174546.49e714bd@kujata>
Message-ID: <A355E2E8909EA9427F97184B@ritz.innovate.net>



> Date: Monday, November 07, 2016 17:45:46 +0000
> From: Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk>
>
> On Mon, 07 Nov 2016 17:35:43 +0000
> Richard wrote: 
> 
>>   libgdata-devel-0.17.1-1.el7.x86_64
>>   libgdata-0.17.1-1.el7.x86_64
>> 
>> I don't see a newer release in the repositories that I generally
>> use. Centos-7.3 should be out in a couple of weeks, and a newer
>> versions of libgdata may be included there -- haven't gone poking
>> to see yet.
> 
> I've found the problem (if not the solution yet). The gData plugin
> is currently broken for libgdata < 0.17.2
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul

Thanks Paul for looking into this, and Andrej for the "alert" on the
version of libgdata in rhel-7.3 (so in the upcoming release of
centos).





From andrej at kacian.sk  Mon Nov  7 20:38:58 2016
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 20:38:58 +0100
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1-1 for Windows unleashed
In-Reply-To: <20161107112124.00007b6a@gmail.com>
References: <20161106193713.73f37d2a@penny> <20161107112124.00007b6a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20161107203858.30d4155a@penny>

On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 11:21:24 -0600
Lutz Andersohn <landersohn at gmail.com> wrote:

> This version is - at least under windows - unfortunately pretty useless
> to me. I need good calendar integration with WebCal (Google). Version
> 3.14.1-1 has the following problems
> 
> - Functionality: I cannot create a meeting in vCalendar and have it
>   automatically published to my WebCal calendar so it's available
>   elsewhere

VCalendar can export meetings to an external webcal, look in plugin
preferences.

> - Bug 1: when it comes time to display a notification for an upcoming
>   meeting, claws-mail crashes. Not sure whether this only happens for
>   meeting from a subscribed webcal calendar or from the local calendar
>   as well.

That is unfortunate. Does that happen also in 32-bit version of Claws
Mail? Currently, there is no technical reason to use the 64-bit version
except if you have some VCalendar meetings planned many, many years into
the future.

> - Bug 2: when I configured it to check all mail and subscriptions at
>   startup, it crashed. Had to manually edit the clawsrc file

Does it happen with VCalendar plugin unloaded? Does it happen in the
32-bit version?

> I thought claws-mail was worth a shot but it looks like it's only half
> a solution for me.

Sorry to hear that. If you could nevertheless find time to do above
tests, I would appreciate it.

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From landersohn at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 21:33:50 2016
From: landersohn at gmail.com (Lutz Andersohn)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:33:50 -0600
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1-1 for Windows unleashed
In-Reply-To: <20161107203858.30d4155a@penny>
References: <20161106193713.73f37d2a@penny>
 <20161107112124.00007b6a@gmail.com> <20161107203858.30d4155a@penny>
Message-ID: <1478550830.3094.65.camel@gmail.com>

I will check on the crash with 32bit version
As to exporting vCalendar: I saw that but it does not appear to work

-- 

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On Mon, 2016-11-07 at 20:38 +0100, Andrej Kacian wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 11:21:24 -0600
> Lutz Andersohn <landersohn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > This version is - at least under windows - unfortunately pretty useless
> > to me. I need good calendar integration with WebCal (Google). Version
> > 3.14.1-1 has the following problems
> > 
> > - Functionality: I cannot create a meeting in vCalendar and have it
> >   automatically published to my WebCal calendar so it's available
> >   elsewhere
> 
> VCalendar can export meetings to an external webcal, look in plugin
> preferences.
> 
> > - Bug 1: when it comes time to display a notification for an upcoming
> >   meeting, claws-mail crashes. Not sure whether this only happens for
> >   meeting from a subscribed webcal calendar or from the local calendar
> >   as well.
> 
> That is unfortunate. Does that happen also in 32-bit version of Claws
> Mail? Currently, there is no technical reason to use the 64-bit version
> except if you have some VCalendar meetings planned many, many years into
> the future.
> 
> > - Bug 2: when I configured it to check all mail and subscriptions at
> >   startup, it crashed. Had to manually edit the clawsrc file
> 
> Does it happen with VCalendar plugin unloaded? Does it happen in the
> 32-bit version?
> 
> > I thought claws-mail was worth a shot but it looks like it's only half
> > a solution for me.
> 
> Sorry to hear that. If you could nevertheless find time to do above
> tests, I would appreciate it.
> 
> Regards,
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From landersohn at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 21:56:42 2016
From: landersohn at gmail.com (Lutz Andersohn)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 14:56:42 -0600
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1-1 for Windows unleashed
In-Reply-To: <20161107203858.30d4155a@penny>
References: <20161106193713.73f37d2a@penny> <20161107112124.00007b6a@gmail.com>
 <20161107203858.30d4155a@penny>
Message-ID: <20161107145642.00007aa0@gmail.com>


Checked 32bit version
- I don't get any alert for a meeting that is in my webcal
- Checking mail on startup crashes w/ and w/o vcalendar loaded. I have
  about 6800 messages in my inbox. It crashes when it says "scanning
  All Mail .... " in the toolbar at message 2800


On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 20:38:58 +0100
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 11:21:24 -0600
> Lutz Andersohn <landersohn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > This version is - at least under windows - unfortunately pretty
> > useless to me. I need good calendar integration with WebCal
> > (Google). Version 3.14.1-1 has the following problems
> > 
> > - Functionality: I cannot create a meeting in vCalendar and have it
> >   automatically published to my WebCal calendar so it's available
> >   elsewhere  
> 
> VCalendar can export meetings to an external webcal, look in plugin
> preferences.
> 
> > - Bug 1: when it comes time to display a notification for an
> > upcoming meeting, claws-mail crashes. Not sure whether this only
> > happens for meeting from a subscribed webcal calendar or from the
> > local calendar as well.  
> 
> That is unfortunate. Does that happen also in 32-bit version of Claws
> Mail? Currently, there is no technical reason to use the 64-bit
> version except if you have some VCalendar meetings planned many, many
> years into the future.
> 
> > - Bug 2: when I configured it to check all mail and subscriptions at
> >   startup, it crashed. Had to manually edit the clawsrc file  
> 
> Does it happen with VCalendar plugin unloaded? Does it happen in the
> 32-bit version?
> 
> > I thought claws-mail was worth a shot but it looks like it's only
> > half a solution for me.  
> 
> Sorry to hear that. If you could nevertheless find time to do above
> tests, I would appreciate it.
> 
> Regards,



-- 
Lutz


From landersohn at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 22:04:47 2016
From: landersohn at gmail.com (Lutz Andersohn)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 15:04:47 -0600
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1-1 for Windows unleashed
In-Reply-To: <20161107203858.30d4155a@penny>
References: <20161106193713.73f37d2a@penny> <20161107112124.00007b6a@gmail.com>
 <20161107203858.30d4155a@penny>
Message-ID: <20161107150447.000039e7@gmail.com>


in the 32bit version I also do not get any notification or an event in
my local calendar. Maybe I am doing something wrong in the
configuration?

I cannot get automatic export of my calendar to my webcal to work.
There is nothing in the log file to indicate that it even tried to
export anything.

Happy to send you all my rc files.


On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 20:38:58 +0100
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 11:21:24 -0600
> Lutz Andersohn <landersohn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > This version is - at least under windows - unfortunately pretty
> > useless to me. I need good calendar integration with WebCal
> > (Google). Version 3.14.1-1 has the following problems
> > 
> > - Functionality: I cannot create a meeting in vCalendar and have it
> >   automatically published to my WebCal calendar so it's available
> >   elsewhere  
> 
> VCalendar can export meetings to an external webcal, look in plugin
> preferences.
> 
> > - Bug 1: when it comes time to display a notification for an
> > upcoming meeting, claws-mail crashes. Not sure whether this only
> > happens for meeting from a subscribed webcal calendar or from the
> > local calendar as well.  
> 
> That is unfortunate. Does that happen also in 32-bit version of Claws
> Mail? Currently, there is no technical reason to use the 64-bit
> version except if you have some VCalendar meetings planned many, many
> years into the future.
> 
> > - Bug 2: when I configured it to check all mail and subscriptions at
> >   startup, it crashed. Had to manually edit the clawsrc file  
> 
> Does it happen with VCalendar plugin unloaded? Does it happen in the
> 32-bit version?
> 
> > I thought claws-mail was worth a shot but it looks like it's only
> > half a solution for me.  
> 
> Sorry to hear that. If you could nevertheless find time to do above
> tests, I would appreciate it.
> 
> Regards,



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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  8 00:48:59 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 23:48:59 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3721] New: Fails to build in Debian kfreebsd-*
Message-ID: <bug-3721-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3721

            Bug ID: 3721
           Summary: Fails to build in Debian kfreebsd-*
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.14.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: FreeBSD
            Status: NEW
          Severity: major
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mones at users.sourceforge.net

Previously it was being built correctly, but latest upload fails.

>From the build logs¹:

etpan/.libs/libclawsetpan.a(passcrypt.o): In function `crypt_cfb_buf':
./src/common/passcrypt.c:89: undefined reference to `setkey'
./src/common/passcrypt.c:99: undefined reference to `encrypt'
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
Makefile:1305: recipe for target 'claws-mail' failed
make[6]: *** [claws-mail] Error 1

Which seems to be compiling the wrong part of the conditional².

The reason seems to be this commit:

http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=abbf2f8a

But not sure how to fix this, since I'm not familiar with FreeBSD macros or
libraries.


¹
https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=claws-mail&arch=kfreebsd-amd64&ver=3.14.1-1&stamp=1478512583
²
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=blob;f=src/common/passcrypt.c;hb=HEAD#l60

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  8 01:06:13 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 00:06:13 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3722] New: Clear button doesn't invalidate current
	search
Message-ID: <bug-3722-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3722

            Bug ID: 3722
           Summary: Clear button doesn't invalidate current search
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.14.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: QuickSearch
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mones at users.sourceforge.net

This is a regression from previous behaviour:

- Quicksearch something, press enter
- Summary view is filtered
- Press clear button
- Summary view is restored

Now in 3.14.1:

- Quicksearch something, press enter
- Summary view is filtered
- Press clear button
- Nothing happens
- Quicksearch the empty string (focus entry + enter)
- Summary view is restored

This is somewhat inconvenient :)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  8 01:08:50 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 00:08:50 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3722] Clear button doesn't refresh summary view
In-Reply-To: <bug-3722-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3722-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3722-595-ShGCz2uGnT@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3722

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Summary|Clear button doesn't        |Clear button doesn't
                   |invalidate current search   |refresh summary view

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From lists at lazygranch.com  Tue Nov  8 09:07:51 2016
From: lists at lazygranch.com (lists at lazygranch.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 00:07:51 -0800
Subject: [Users] TLS indication in header
Message-ID: <20161108000751.6250ddba@linux-h57q.site>

I upgraded to 3.14.0. opensuse 11.2
uname -a
Linux linux-h57q.site 3.16.7-48-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 26
18:09:22 UTC 2016 (8c027f6) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux


I no longer see TLS indicated in the header. All header display options
have been selected. Since I run my own server, I checked the logs and
TLS is being established.
---------------
From maillog:
Nov  8 07:49:44 theranch postfix/smtpd[30627]: Anonymous TLS connection established from nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com[98.138.90.90]: TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA2
56 (128/128 bits)
------------------------

Header (slightly sanitized to stay off of google)
-------------------------------------
From: some dude <somedude at yahoo.com>
To: "me" <me at mydomain.com>
Subject: from yahoo
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 07:49:41 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: some dude <somedude at yahoo.com>
Return-Path: <somedude at yahoo.com>
X-Original-To: me at mydomain.com
Delivered-To: me at mydomain.com
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mydomain.com
Authentication-Results: www.mydomain.com (amavisd-new);
 dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yahoo.com
DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 www.mydomain.com 6AA43EB20F
Authentication-Results: mydomain.com;
 dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=yahoo.com header.i=@yahoo.com header.b=trAlWMaE
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1478591383; bh=cRZGv5wOLgNFzbAfI5tLNkRMXYbHl/vWifDflA5eMtw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=trAlWMaE/s+6aINuk6b6ySW6h1CZF6LiKQOfQgoUg4i8JzjySXbgBkAOuH+GAb55+QQHA6A8sjJeK77UvhVUS+BkAyZMiTAMkt8m9kMe77m31MjzWQ4Ig82CXogOA5+SESyKrwZZAuipFGuIq4APO06SM0hCGBmUJYHNuYytxKpTrW5FT8TFXm89vq2+MspXjd1k75qcQ+fF1kwst3n6X28teuV6o65mInGqL9vkrPrwtOGihdQqcrepyEkRnU7RflFRb1rtC0zS9pVuo1/ZcJjKeldeHsYzDzDpdiOiJNXokcRot/X5yidLYkgI5JkSPbFHe+HgQupWXOxdMxI8iQ==
X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3
X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 878361.88180.bm at omp1007.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
X-YMail-OSG: nEWp4QsVM1nZt5mFz73vbEgYx.Lt3B_GBcEvOTw0Vp0LtD3J99f0OjdWkUcARg5
 fQOYXcuRTpVY9z.FPYba81.F6ZWzTg7R9.2qD4awC6TFWAARiWK43ECrmkWodJuHDdL8gxc3OyX5
 LAcxtI9b9TGqh0OfPAU1dWmpLs3sALzDSN3bWIvvbmDfRoJfwshV.Z3NlBRXE0BTRlXIEZ9yTMHP
 7hroI1tkmFwOOVOqUs8YFevk0ma39L1OCaZ4tkr2rr0Tv0pkkgrCdXiHJIWrUNNEHrsQsePKlcn7
 3TI.yj5J2Xocsga14Zqbnn6Nkm8QYuTeELAPA5RIb4VUNcptkCZQcyeUF8ikKx9aVKM31kGveMNe
 ANNorn_lvKSS9u2P95D2V6dsUcZwujC5ctuWOtFZN1qheWGIOXTfP3HkjaVIq9AYQBFX_EA50W1f
 3.O5tpuiZsim9J7g6CQxJPkQq4HzhmTNxAQ6iKABKju3ukJKUoFtNlC8V5qzon6y5M4AJEH3B1ep
 ObjfCt_ERaTcEhRs2wQ_sCyg-

from yahoo
-----------------------------------------


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  8 15:04:33 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 14:04:33 +0000
Subject: [Users] TLS indication in header
In-Reply-To: <20161108000751.6250ddba@linux-h57q.site>
References: <20161108000751.6250ddba@linux-h57q.site>
Message-ID: <20161108140433.63d4e4ea@kujata>

On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 00:07:51 -0800
"lists at lazygranch.com" <lists at lazygranch.com> wrote: 

> I no longer see TLS indicated in the header. All header display
> options have been selected.

If the server doesn't set the header, Claws Mail can't display it.

with regards

Paul


From sc at penpal4u.net  Tue Nov  8 17:08:17 2016
From: sc at penpal4u.net (Christian Lerrahn)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 03:08:17 +1100
Subject: [Users] Decryption fails since changing key
Message-ID: <20161109030817.7ef4e775@magrathea>

Hi,
I am not sure if this is a CM or a GPG Agent problem. I am also sure I
have solved it before but I can't figure it out any more. So, I have to
start somewhere.

My GPG key expired recently and I generated a new one. Now, I have the
problem that while I can still decrypt all the old emails which were
encrypted with the expired key, all emails which were encrypted with
the new key will just show a "Couldn't decrypt: Decryption failed"
without me ever being asked for a password.

I have played with all the settings I can find but I just can't figure
out why it's always the expired key that's matched instead of the
current one.

What am I doing wrong?

Cheers,
Christian


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  8 17:12:44 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 16:12:44 +0000
Subject: [Users] Decryption fails since changing key
In-Reply-To: <20161109030817.7ef4e775@magrathea>
References: <20161109030817.7ef4e775@magrathea>
Message-ID: <20161108161244.5c0591bd@kujata>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 03:08:17 +1100
Christian Lerrahn <sc at penpal4u.net> wrote: 

> just show a "Couldn't decrypt: Decryption failed"
> without me ever being asked for a password.

This is, almost certainly, a gpg-agent (related) problem.

with regards

Paul


From mir at miras.org  Tue Nov  8 17:39:33 2016
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 17:39:33 +0100
Subject: [Users] Decryption fails since changing key
In-Reply-To: <20161109030817.7ef4e775@magrathea>
References: <20161109030817.7ef4e775@magrathea>
Message-ID: <20161108173933.0875daa9@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 03:08:17 +1100
Christian Lerrahn <sc at penpal4u.net> wrote:

> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
Have you configured claws to use this new key?
~/.gnupg/gpg.conf does not have a default key configured, and in case
not the old key?


-- 
Hilsen/Regards
Michael Rasmussen

Get my public GnuPG keys:
michael <at> rasmussen <dot> cc
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E
mir <at> datanom <dot> net
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C
mir <at> miras <dot> org
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917
--------------------------------------------------------------
/usr/games/fortune -es says:
memo, n.:
	An interoffice communication too often written more for the
benefit of the person who sends it than the person who receives it.
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov  8 18:45:37 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 17:45:37 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3721] Fails to build in Debian kfreebsd-*
In-Reply-To: <bug-3721-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3721-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3721-595-tqEdg5gbo0@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3721

--- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
Created attachment 1694
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Fix failure in kfreebsd

This patch fixes the issue when building in Debian's kfreebsd-amd64 porterbox.

What I don't know is if it's still valid for FreeBSD. Any testers?

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From sc at penpal4u.net  Tue Nov  8 23:41:09 2016
From: sc at penpal4u.net (Christian Lerrahn)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 09:41:09 +1100
Subject: [Users] Decryption fails since changing key
In-Reply-To: <20161108173933.0875daa9@sleipner.datanom.net>
References: <20161109030817.7ef4e775@magrathea>
 <20161108173933.0875daa9@sleipner.datanom.net>
Message-ID: <20161109094109.73206f58@magrathea>

On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 17:39:33 +0100
Michael Rasmussen <mir at miras.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 03:08:17 +1100
> Christian Lerrahn <sc at penpal4u.net> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > What am I doing wrong?
> >   
> Have you configured claws to use this new key?
> ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf does not have a default key configured, and in case
> not the old key?

There is no reference to the old key in that file and the default key
is configured to be the new one.

Cheers,
Christian


From mir at miras.org  Wed Nov  9 00:19:03 2016
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 00:19:03 +0100
Subject: [Users] Decryption fails since changing key
In-Reply-To: <20161109094109.73206f58@magrathea>
References: <20161109030817.7ef4e775@magrathea>
 <20161108173933.0875daa9@sleipner.datanom.net>
 <20161109094109.73206f58@magrathea>
Message-ID: <20161109001903.198d52bf@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 09:41:09 +1100
Christian Lerrahn <sc at penpal4u.net> wrote:

> 
> There is no reference to the old key in that file and the default key
> is configured to be the new one.
> 
What do you have configured for key to use in claws? (See attached
screenshot)

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Hilsen/Regards
Michael Rasmussen

Get my public GnuPG keys:
michael <at> rasmussen <dot> cc
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E
mir <at> datanom <dot> net
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C
mir <at> miras <dot> org
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917
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Intuition, however illogical, is recognized as a command prerogative.
		-- Kirk, "Obsession", stardate 3620.7
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From sc at penpal4u.net  Wed Nov  9 02:42:05 2016
From: sc at penpal4u.net (Christian Lerrahn)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 12:42:05 +1100
Subject: [Users] Decryption fails since changing key
In-Reply-To: <20161109001903.198d52bf@sleipner.datanom.net>
References: <20161109030817.7ef4e775@magrathea>
 <20161108173933.0875daa9@sleipner.datanom.net>
 <20161109094109.73206f58@magrathea>
 <20161109001903.198d52bf@sleipner.datanom.net>
Message-ID: <20161109124205.3a9f878c@magrathea>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 00:19:03 +0100
Michael Rasmussen <mir at miras.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 09:41:09 +1100
> Christian Lerrahn <sc at penpal4u.net> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > There is no reference to the old key in that file and the default
> > key is configured to be the new one.
> >   
> What do you have configured for key to use in claws? (See attached
> screenshot)

I had it set to "default" but explicitly putting in the correct key
makes no difference, either. 


From lists at lazygranch.com  Wed Nov  9 19:40:57 2016
From: lists at lazygranch.com (lists at lazygranch.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 10:40:57 -0800
Subject: [Users] TLS indication in header
In-Reply-To: <20161108140433.63d4e4ea@kujata>
References: <20161108000751.6250ddba@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161108140433.63d4e4ea@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161109104057.72a27278@linux-h57q.site>

I have verified the server does send the header information. Here is
a header from Seamonkey email:

rom nm24-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.inplanesight.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E255EB20F for <g at inplanesight.org>; Tue,  8 Nov 2016 07:22:25 +0000 (UTC)

Here is the full header from Claws, missing the TLS data:
From: gary sellani <gariac450 at yahoo.com>
To: "G." <g at inplanesight.org>
Subject: check tls
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 07:50:58 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: gary sellani <gariac450 at yahoo.com>
Return-Path: <gariac450 at yahoo.com>
X-Original-To: g at inplanesight.org
Delivered-To: g at inplanesight.org
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at inplanesight.org
Authentication-Results: www.inplanesight.org (amavisd-new);
 dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yahoo.com
DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 www.inplanesight.org 42E31EB207
Authentication-Results: inplanesight.org;
 dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=yahoo.com header.i=@yahoo.com header.b=gmETFlTj
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1478677862; bh=mJpGuKxY9FYoCTQnqbtw5Zv1e5OFS+xEpOqol4Sf3qk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=gmETFlTjl1HnttKT2nM1bHq0M/9Nu9e4V1FOZAISoqTq3NIrHzJ+kwisI/MTu7o/iG9ps/kN/uRsgM5ZBQnKaLc0qw8AbLuxuG39/e+XtEcTk+eWQfSaoyyDiPhkG9S+BX0z4bdlOlPmzjGS6S73jGaFZtVdtn9h0by4gjd48R70RHJGqP4PPuWjjR6Ak7/e0V2vjZPAMA1JlG7iVH8TRLOB4pwk2qP5L7Ak8oNv3SpvM0YjbFVmtBYREP2zpFBsURdM2X8H1+sUPNr0VzkmRS9UQP9emkUq+xY/XkUKPYiA+H8IwUoBnpF7nXCuQglNGBFqiN1PjOH6mElwoX3s2A==
X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3
X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 721398.78751.bm at omp1043.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
X-YMail-OSG: CXJcr_IVM1k55_VX9svNPIItTODP4X.PcWkUl7D3.RgJ0MEDEhC7uI0sMHgzL.m
 VRZYY6thKzEhglFhFIW7bTVrKRtjxNFJ5bwH0JANzpYiYoj1OkYLYWKK5Fq7Zr8.LJwiuKicN.EN
 sIhfx.B3jTkH4qeR6YogmDW4j2BA3SQetjbIXANLxVeAuWU8pImCBYqK0A3CbSNaYkGxwQE5Pfcx
 pv6D3PYEfpaKQ5DcBjbUE8dpzKs3Cs_ULxw8noyZrd_TmeuCnymL9kQU1GRFPshk0SFzbdUJrPpn
 6P7IdR8X_euqFU9s1YzEeu9KyUJ4K7G_3hf9NzHcJ4pWrLfw7ehmiACFUcEKpin.zhbe_5sMJL09
 vXQ4sdfAa15ywrMo15_ZSdLAULDo0kQcWkIvZaFJA.Xb3U3mgii7OV0w54epdiov4ey8jmbmQUIe
 Jav9UpjNidrQdU4.OUJSlnbIcm5amXgyXDFhlsvgzomicZ7eOwdKltHJg._wJNM1W8BS2wkmgjtx
 .fSY0YoQjqU5ZrXL2eNL5MsWL0gNgEUkOLNw-

check tls

On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 14:04:33 +0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 00:07:51 -0800
> "lists at lazygranch.com" <lists at lazygranch.com> wrote: 
> 
> > I no longer see TLS indicated in the header. All header display
> > options have been selected.  
> 
> If the server doesn't set the header, Claws Mail can't display it.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
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> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
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From lists at larsko.org  Wed Nov  9 19:57:57 2016
From: lists at larsko.org (Lars Kotthoff)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 10:57:57 -0800
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata> <nvq519$b2a$2@blaine.gmane.org>
 <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161109105757.234072fd@sakura>

> > 	The old behaviour was so much better (select message when
> > going to the next message, but not selecting when clicking on a
> > folder).  
> 
> A stronger argument was given: "I've specifically asked it not to
> open messages, but it does anyway". This was the previous,
> inconsistent method, which was just wrong.
> 
> > 	Is there a way to replicate this behaviour with 3.14.1
> > version?  
> 
> No.

Would it be possible to have additional values "if unread" and "if in same
folder" for this option? I also preferred the old behaviour (even though it was
inconsistent).

Cheers,

Lars


From fragabr at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 20:16:11 2016
From: fragabr at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RMOibmllbA==?= Fraga)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 17:16:11 -0200
Subject: [Users] Consistency x User experience
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata> <nvq519$b2a$2@blaine.gmane.org>
 <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata> <20161109105757.234072fd@sakura>
Message-ID: <nvvslo$crs$1@blaine.gmane.org>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 10:57:57 -0800
Lars Kotthoff <lists at larsko.org> wrote:

> Would it be possible to have additional values "if unread" and "if in same
> folder" for this option? I also preferred the old behaviour (even though it was
> inconsistent).
	
	Yes, I don't understand why "consistency" must prevail over the
user experience. When the user has to press 2 keys to replicate the old
behaviour, something is very wrong (in other words: now we duplicate
the keyboard effort to reach the same result, since before I just
would press "N" and now, I have to press "N" and "space"... for me it's
irrational, even in the name of "consistency").

	The experience of reading messages should be as frictionless as
possible.

-- 
https://exchangewar.info




From pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 21:01:23 2016
From: pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com (pete nikolic)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 20:01:23 +0000
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata> <nvq519$b2a$2@blaine.gmane.org>
 <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161109200123.4e10050d@ds9>

On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 15:11:01 +0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 13:02:04 -0200
> Dâniel Fraga <fragabr at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> 
> > I could just
> > browse through the next messages using "N" (and opening it).  
> 
> Currently you will need to press N and then Enter.
> 
> > 	The old behaviour was so much better (select message when
> > going to the next message, but not selecting when clicking on a
> > folder).  
> 
> A stronger argument was given: "I've specifically asked it not to
> open messages, but it does anyway". This was the previous,
> inconsistent method, which was just wrong.
> 
> > 	Is there a way to replicate this behaviour with 3.14.1
> > version?  
> 
> No.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

I notice also in the updated version that the Next icon also fails miserably ow
instead of simple browsing thru mails i have extra clicks not good.

Can we have this reversed or made a choice this new method is not nice at all it is
cumbersom and slow .


Pete .


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Wed Nov  9 21:41:04 2016
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 20:41:04 +0000
Subject: [Users] Consistency x User experience
In-Reply-To: <nvvslo$crs$1@blaine.gmane.org>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata> <nvq519$b2a$2@blaine.gmane.org>
 <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata> <20161109105757.234072fd@sakura>
 <nvvslo$crs$1@blaine.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20161109204104.0c56bf88@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 17:16:11 -0200
Dâniel Fraga <fragabr at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Dâniel,

>the keyboard effort to reach the same result, since before I just
>would press "N" and now, I have to press "N" and "space"... for me it's

Similar things apply to the "Next" button on the toolbar.  With certain
settings, it does not always take you to the next unread message.  IMO,
it should do that irrespective of any other settings.

As things stand, one inconsistency may have been cleared, but several
others have been created.  At least two ought to be considered bugs.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Looking for something I can call my own
Chairman Of The Bored - Crass
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov  9 22:36:14 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 21:36:14 +0000
Subject: [Users] Consistency x User experience
In-Reply-To: <20161109204104.0c56bf88@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata> <nvq519$b2a$2@blaine.gmane.org>
 <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata> <20161109105757.234072fd@sakura>
 <nvvslo$crs$1@blaine.gmane.org>
 <20161109204104.0c56bf88@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20161109213614.5a08c4fe@kujata>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 20:41:04 +0000
Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote: 

> As things stand, one inconsistency may have been cleared, but
> several others have been created.  At least two ought to be
> considered bugs.

Such as?

with regards

Paul


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov  9 22:37:23 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 21:37:23 +0000
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20161109200123.4e10050d@ds9>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata> <nvq519$b2a$2@blaine.gmane.org>
 <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata> <20161109200123.4e10050d@ds9>
Message-ID: <20161109213723.7b489e4d@kujata>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 20:01:23 +0000
pete nikolic <pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com> wrote: 

> Can we have this reversed or made a choice

The choice is the 'Always open message when selected' option.

with regards

Paul


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov  9 22:42:40 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 21:42:40 +0000
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20161109105757.234072fd@sakura>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata> <nvq519$b2a$2@blaine.gmane.org>
 <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata> <20161109105757.234072fd@sakura>
Message-ID: <20161109214240.73e00206@kujata>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 10:57:57 -0800
Lars Kotthoff <lists at larsko.org> wrote: 

> (even though it was inconsistent

To call it inconsistent was generous. It was just wrong.

with regards

Paul


From rsv869 at runbox.com  Wed Nov  9 22:42:56 2016
From: rsv869 at runbox.com (Reid Vail)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 16:42:56 -0500
Subject: [Users] GPG error
Message-ID: <20161109164256.77d23e33@linux-6js2.suse>

Hello Claws team -

I'm having trouble sending with GPG encryption. In this specific case I'm just
testing between two accounts I own, and probably don't understand the
process...user error, but could use advice or a pointer to some 1,2,3 kinds
of steps.'

When I select the address to send to I do get the standard advisory
about message parts that won't be encrypted, I then select the key to encrypt with
but then it is followed by this error "Couldn't encrypt the email: Unknown error"

I've run Claws from the command line and do see this message:  "** (claws-mail:4618):
WARNING **: sgpgme_data_release_and_get_mem failed" but don't know what that means.

It's probably user error, but can you advise?

Reid


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov  9 22:46:17 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 21:46:17 +0000
Subject: [Users] GPG error
In-Reply-To: <20161109164256.77d23e33@linux-6js2.suse>
References: <20161109164256.77d23e33@linux-6js2.suse>
Message-ID: <20161109214617.5625662d@kujata>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 16:42:56 -0500
Reid Vail <rsv869 at runbox.com> wrote: 

> It's probably user error, but can you advise?

It could be that the key you are trying to encrypt to is using a
Cipher that is no longer supported by your GnuPG.

Try it on the command line to check.

with regards

Paul


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov  9 23:04:14 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:04:14 +0000
Subject: [Users] Consistency x User experience
In-Reply-To: <20161109213614.5a08c4fe@kujata>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata> <nvq519$b2a$2@blaine.gmane.org>
 <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata> <20161109105757.234072fd@sakura>
 <nvvslo$crs$1@blaine.gmane.org>
 <20161109204104.0c56bf88@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20161109213614.5a08c4fe@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161109220414.35dae868@kujata>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 21:36:14 +0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote: 

> On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 20:41:04 +0000
> Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote: 
> 
> > As things stand, one inconsistency may have been cleared, but
> > several others have been created.  At least two ought to be
> > considered bugs.  
> 
> Such as?

Never mind. I have discovered some issues. But this won't change the
reliance on 'open message when selected'.

with regards

Paul


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov  9 23:10:22 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:10:22 +0000
Subject: [Users] TLS indication in header
In-Reply-To: <20161109104057.72a27278@linux-h57q.site>
References: <20161108000751.6250ddba@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161108140433.63d4e4ea@kujata>
 <20161109104057.72a27278@linux-h57q.site>
Message-ID: <20161109221022.58d93fae@kujata>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 10:40:57 -0800
"lists at lazygranch.com" <lists at lazygranch.com> wrote: 

> Here is the full header from Claws, missing the TLS data:

That doesn't look like the full header. It's missing Received:
headers, for instance.

Claws Mail does not remove these headers or any other headers.

with regards

Paul


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov  9 23:13:57 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:13:57 +0000
Subject: [Users] TLS indication in header
In-Reply-To: <20161109104057.72a27278@linux-h57q.site>
References: <20161108000751.6250ddba@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161108140433.63d4e4ea@kujata>
 <20161109104057.72a27278@linux-h57q.site>
Message-ID: <20161109221357.07b4cab1@kujata>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 10:40:57 -0800
"lists at lazygranch.com" <lists at lazygranch.com> wrote: 

> Received: from linux-h57q.site (unknown [172.56.38.40])
>  (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128
> bits))

Your message to this list contains that header.

with regards

Paul


From lists at lazygranch.com  Wed Nov  9 23:15:04 2016
From: lists at lazygranch.com (lists at lazygranch.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 14:15:04 -0800
Subject: [Users] TLS indication in header
In-Reply-To: <20161109221022.58d93fae@kujata>
References: <20161108000751.6250ddba@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161108140433.63d4e4ea@kujata>
 <20161109104057.72a27278@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161109221022.58d93fae@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161109221504.5468242.70838.16004@lazygranch.com>

That is the header I get from my installation of claws.

SeaMonkey delivered the full header, but Claws filtered it. Thus the problem is not with postfix, but claws. 



  Original Message  
From: Paul
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 2:10 PM
To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
Subject: Re: [Users] TLS indication in header

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 10:40:57 -0800
"lists at lazygranch.com" <lists at lazygranch.com> wrote: 

> Here is the full header from Claws, missing the TLS data:

That doesn't look like the full header. It's missing Received:
headers, for instance.

Claws Mail does not remove these headers or any other headers.

with regards

Paul
_______________________________________________
Users mailing list
Users at lists.claws-mail.org
http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users


From lists at lazygranch.com  Wed Nov  9 23:16:25 2016
From: lists at lazygranch.com (lists at lazygranch.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 14:16:25 -0800
Subject: [Users] TLS indication in header
In-Reply-To: <20161109221357.07b4cab1@kujata>
References: <20161108000751.6250ddba@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161108140433.63d4e4ea@kujata>
 <20161109104057.72a27278@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161109221357.07b4cab1@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161109221625.5468242.27829.16006@lazygranch.com>

Right. Postfix sends the TLS information. My installation of Claws filters it.


  Original Message  
From: Paul
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 2:14 PM
To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
Subject: Re: [Users] TLS indication in header

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 10:40:57 -0800
"lists at lazygranch.com" <lists at lazygranch.com> wrote: 

> Received: from linux-h57q.site (unknown [172.56.38.40])
> (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128
> bits))

Your message to this list contains that header.

with regards

Paul
_______________________________________________
Users mailing list
Users at lists.claws-mail.org
http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov  9 23:24:33 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:24:33 +0000
Subject: [Users] TLS indication in header
In-Reply-To: <20161109221625.5468242.27829.16006@lazygranch.com>
References: <20161108000751.6250ddba@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161108140433.63d4e4ea@kujata>
 <20161109104057.72a27278@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161109221357.07b4cab1@kujata>
 <20161109221625.5468242.27829.16006@lazygranch.com>
Message-ID: <20161109222433.4f0f567f@kujata>

On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 14:16:25 -0800
lists at lazygranch.com wrote: 

> Right. Postfix sends the TLS information. My installation of Claws
> filters it.

Then you had better start describing what is special and particular
about your Claws Mail.

with regards

Paul


From lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net  Wed Nov  9 23:28:42 2016
From: lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net (Richard)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 22:28:42 +0000
Subject: [Users] TLS indication in header
In-Reply-To: <20161109221625.5468242.27829.16006@lazygranch.com>
References: <20161108000751.6250ddba@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161108140433.63d4e4ea@kujata>
 <20161109104057.72a27278@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161109221357.07b4cab1@kujata>
 <20161109221625.5468242.27829.16006@lazygranch.com>
Message-ID: <B707F0D600B88BE52B0F9CFF@ritz.innovate.net>

I'm not seeing that issue with claws. Your latest message to the list
displayed the following in the "view/show all headers" output in
claws 3.14.1 and 3.14.0, as well as the full set of "Received:" lines
(including other TLS lines for intra-mail environment handoffs).

Received: from smtp54.gate.ord1a ([172.28.255.1])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256
bits))
 by proxy1.mail.ord1c.rsapps.net (Dovecot) with LMTP id
3P4oAdmeI1ieAwAA2VeTtA
 ; Wed, 09 Nov 2016 17:16:40 -0500


> Date: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 14:16:25 -0800
> From: lists at lazygranch.com
>
> Right. Postfix sends the TLS information. My installation of Claws
> filters it.
> 
> 
>   Original Message  
> From: Paul
> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 2:14 PM
> To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
> Subject: Re: [Users] TLS indication in header
> 
> On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 10:40:57 -0800
> "lists at lazygranch.com" <lists at lazygranch.com> wrote: 
> 
>> Received: from linux-h57q.site (unknown [172.56.38.40])
>> (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128
>> bits))
> 
> Your message to this list contains that header.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

------------ End Original Message ------------




From lists at lazygranch.com  Thu Nov 10 00:05:51 2016
From: lists at lazygranch.com (lists at lazygranch.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 15:05:51 -0800
Subject: [Users] TLS indication in header
In-Reply-To: <20161109222433.4f0f567f@kujata>
References: <20161108000751.6250ddba@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161108140433.63d4e4ea@kujata>
 <20161109104057.72a27278@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161109221357.07b4cab1@kujata>
 <20161109221625.5468242.27829.16006@lazygranch.com>
 <20161109222433.4f0f567f@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161109150551.5febfac8@linux-h57q.site>

Claws 3.14.0
System Information
GTK+ 2.24.31 / GLib 2.42.2
Locale: en_US.UTF-8 (charset: UTF-8)
Operating System: Linux 3.16.7-48-desktop (x86_64)
Opensuse 13.2uname -a
Linux linux-h57q.site 3.16.7-48-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 26
18:09:22 UTC 2016 (8c027f6) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux


https://software.opensuse.org/package/claws-mail
Using the unofficial 3.14.0

This issue was not present in 3.11.0

Under configuration->preferences->message view-> text options, display
headers in message view is selected. In the edit section, all display
options are selected, as well as display unspecified headers. 


On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:24:33 +0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 14:16:25 -0800
> lists at lazygranch.com wrote: 
> 
> > Right. Postfix sends the TLS information. My installation of Claws
> > filters it.  
> 
> Then you had better start describing what is special and particular
> about your Claws Mail.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users



From lists at lazygranch.com  Thu Nov 10 00:11:29 2016
From: lists at lazygranch.com (lists at lazygranch.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 15:11:29 -0800
Subject: [Users] TLS indication in header
In-Reply-To: <B707F0D600B88BE52B0F9CFF@ritz.innovate.net>
References: <20161108000751.6250ddba@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161108140433.63d4e4ea@kujata>
 <20161109104057.72a27278@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161109221357.07b4cab1@kujata>
 <20161109221625.5468242.27829.16006@lazygranch.com>
 <B707F0D600B88BE52B0F9CFF@ritz.innovate.net>
Message-ID: <20161109151129.1d5042a4@linux-h57q.site>

Im just going to downgrade to 3.11.0. I have to assume there is a
problem in the 3.14.0 build. The headers were fine in the older rev.



On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 22:28:42 +0000
Richard <lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net> wrote:

> I'm not seeing that issue with claws. Your latest message to the list
> displayed the following in the "view/show all headers" output in
> claws 3.14.1 and 3.14.0, as well as the full set of "Received:" lines
> (including other TLS lines for intra-mail environment handoffs).
> 
> Received: from smtp54.gate.ord1a ([172.28.255.1])
>  (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256
> bits))
>  by proxy1.mail.ord1c.rsapps.net (Dovecot) with LMTP id
> 3P4oAdmeI1ieAwAA2VeTtA
>  ; Wed, 09 Nov 2016 17:16:40 -0500
> 
> 
> > Date: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 14:16:25 -0800
> > From: lists at lazygranch.com
> >
> > Right. Postfix sends the TLS information. My installation of Claws
> > filters it.
> > 
> > 
> >   Original Message  
> > From: Paul
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 2:14 PM
> > To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
> > Subject: Re: [Users] TLS indication in header
> > 
> > On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 10:40:57 -0800
> > "lists at lazygranch.com" <lists at lazygranch.com> wrote: 
> >   
> >> Received: from linux-h57q.site (unknown [172.56.38.40])
> >> (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128
> >> bits))  
> > 
> > Your message to this list contains that header.
> > 
> > with regards
> > 
> > Paul
> > _______________________________________________
> > Users mailing list
> > Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
> > _______________________________________________
> > Users mailing list
> > Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users  
> 
> ------------ End Original Message ------------
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users



From lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net  Thu Nov 10 00:42:08 2016
From: lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net (Richard)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 23:42:08 +0000
Subject: [Users] TLS indication in header
Message-ID: <082703380067AD03DCC08D70@ritz.innovate.net>

Ah, I think I see what you're doing, but not certain why you'd want
to do it that way.

With the approach you outline below, specifically with the
"unspecified headers" box checked, you're getting the (mostly) full
headers in the message window all the time. I indeed wasn't able to
get the Received: lines to show that way, but wouldn't want all those
headers shows all the time anyway. 

What I do to view the headers is: "view/show all headers", which is a
sticky switch and would seem to do what the preference setting does.
To just quickly toggle them on and off (which is my approach), use:
ctrl-H. That way you can see the full headers when you need to, but
they aren't garbaging up the message display when you don't. The
Received: lines show there.

I don't have CM 3.11 available so can't see what it did -
specifically if it didn't have the ctrl-H option.


> Date: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 15:05:51 -0800
> From: lists at lazygranch.com
>
> Claws 3.14.0
> System Information
> GTK+ 2.24.31 / GLib 2.42.2
> Locale: en_US.UTF-8 (charset: UTF-8)
> Operating System: Linux 3.16.7-48-desktop (x86_64)
> Opensuse 13.2uname -a
> Linux linux-h57q.site 3.16.7-48-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 26
> 18:09:22 UTC 2016 (8c027f6) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> 
> 
> https://software.opensuse.org/package/claws-mail
> Using the unofficial 3.14.0
> 
> This issue was not present in 3.11.0
> 
> Under configuration->preferences->message view-> text options,
> display headers in message view is selected. In the edit section,
> all display options are selected, as well as display unspecified
> headers. 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:24:33 +0000
> Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 14:16:25 -0800
>> lists at lazygranch.com wrote: 
>> 
>> > Right. Postfix sends the TLS information. My installation of
>> > Claws filters it.  
>> 
>> Then you had better start describing what is special and particular
>> about your Claws Mail.
>> 
>> with regards
>> 
>> Paul
>> _______________________________________________
>> Users mailing list
>> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
>> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

------------ End Original Message ------------




From lists at lazygranch.com  Thu Nov 10 02:34:47 2016
From: lists at lazygranch.com (lists at lazygranch.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 17:34:47 -0800
Subject: [Users] TLS indication in header
In-Reply-To: <082703380067AD03DCC08D70@ritz.innovate.net>
References: <082703380067AD03DCC08D70@ritz.innovate.net>
Message-ID: <20161109173447.00d80ae4@linux-h57q.site>

I still think the build is munged as none of those options seems to
work as stated. However I now understand the what the unspecified box
does. It wasn't obvious at first until I clicked it on and off to
toggled the highlight/grayed-out box. Anyway, contol-H works perfectly.
Thanks.

I've been planning on going on a security rampage and dropping my "may
encrypt" to force encryption. I just want to double check who isn't
using encryption. Google is supposed to do this soon anyway. 

On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 23:42:08 +0000
Richard <lists-claws at listmail.innovate.net> wrote:

> Ah, I think I see what you're doing, but not certain why you'd want
> to do it that way.
> 
> With the approach you outline below, specifically with the
> "unspecified headers" box checked, you're getting the (mostly) full
> headers in the message window all the time. I indeed wasn't able to
> get the Received: lines to show that way, but wouldn't want all those
> headers shows all the time anyway. 
> 
> What I do to view the headers is: "view/show all headers", which is a
> sticky switch and would seem to do what the preference setting does.
> To just quickly toggle them on and off (which is my approach), use:
> ctrl-H. That way you can see the full headers when you need to, but
> they aren't garbaging up the message display when you don't. The
> Received: lines show there.
> 
> I don't have CM 3.11 available so can't see what it did -
> specifically if it didn't have the ctrl-H option.
> 
> 
> > Date: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 15:05:51 -0800
> > From: lists at lazygranch.com
> >
> > Claws 3.14.0
> > System Information
> > GTK+ 2.24.31 / GLib 2.42.2
> > Locale: en_US.UTF-8 (charset: UTF-8)
> > Operating System: Linux 3.16.7-48-desktop (x86_64)
> > Opensuse 13.2uname -a
> > Linux linux-h57q.site 3.16.7-48-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 26
> > 18:09:22 UTC 2016 (8c027f6) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> > 
> > 
> > https://software.opensuse.org/package/claws-mail
> > Using the unofficial 3.14.0
> > 
> > This issue was not present in 3.11.0
> > 
> > Under configuration->preferences->message view-> text options,
> > display headers in message view is selected. In the edit section,
> > all display options are selected, as well as display unspecified
> > headers. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 22:24:33 +0000
> > Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:
> >   
> >> On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 14:16:25 -0800
> >> lists at lazygranch.com wrote: 
> >>   
> >> > Right. Postfix sends the TLS information. My installation of
> >> > Claws filters it.    
> >> 
> >> Then you had better start describing what is special and particular
> >> about your Claws Mail.
> >> 
> >> with regards
> >> 
> >> Paul
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Users mailing list
> >> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> >> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users  
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Users mailing list
> > Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users  
> 
> ------------ End Original Message ------------
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users



From sc at penpal4u.net  Thu Nov 10 05:54:24 2016
From: sc at penpal4u.net (Christian Lerrahn)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:54:24 +1100
Subject: [Users] Decryption fails since changing key
In-Reply-To: <20161109030817.7ef4e775@magrathea>
References: <20161109030817.7ef4e775@magrathea>
Message-ID: <20161110155424.10526a8d@magrathea>

Hi,
> I am not sure if this is a CM or a GPG Agent problem. I am also sure I
> have solved it before but I can't figure it out any more. So, I have
> to start somewhere.
> 
> My GPG key expired recently and I generated a new one. Now, I have the
> problem that while I can still decrypt all the old emails which were
> encrypted with the expired key, all emails which were encrypted with
> the new key will just show a "Couldn't decrypt: Decryption failed"
> without me ever being asked for a password.
> 
> I have played with all the settings I can find but I just can't figure
> out why it's always the expired key that's matched instead of the
> current one.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?

I haven't worked out what I am doing wrong but I do know where the
disconnect happens. While for the old key the keygrip which is sent to
gpg-agent is known to gpg-agent, with the new key an unknown keygrip is
sent.

I have generated another new key for a different email address and the
problem is the same there. The old key has a know keygrip while the new
one has an unknown one.

Unfortunately, I can work out how to correlate the keygrips in
gpg-agent with secret keys to know what keygrip gpg-agent expects or if
it even lists a keygrip for the secret key. For now, I only know the
number of entries:

gpg-connect-agent 'keyinfo --list --ssh-fpr' /bye  -> 39 entries, 29
with an SSH-style fingerprint

gpg --list-secret-keys -> 22 secret keys

Any suggestions how to debug this? Has something changed in more recent
PGP keys that would result in the keygrips being calculated differently
in gpg-agent but not in claws-mail? I seem to only have on version of
libgcrypt though.

Any suggestions how to tackle this?

Cheers,
Christian


From sc at penpal4u.net  Thu Nov 10 06:15:08 2016
From: sc at penpal4u.net (Christian Lerrahn)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 16:15:08 +1100
Subject: [Users] Decryption fails since changing key [solved]
In-Reply-To: <20161110155424.10526a8d@magrathea>
References: <20161109030817.7ef4e775@magrathea>
 <20161110155424.10526a8d@magrathea>
Message-ID: <20161110161508.43581bef@magrathea>

Hi again,
On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:54:24 +1100
Christian Lerrahn <sc at penpal4u.net> wrote:
> > I am not sure if this is a CM or a GPG Agent problem. I am also
> > sure I have solved it before but I can't figure it out any more.
> > So, I have to start somewhere.
> > 
> > My GPG key expired recently and I generated a new one. Now, I have
> > the problem that while I can still decrypt all the old emails which
> > were encrypted with the expired key, all emails which were
> > encrypted with the new key will just show a "Couldn't decrypt:
> > Decryption failed" without me ever being asked for a password.
> > 
> > I have played with all the settings I can find but I just can't
> > figure out why it's always the expired key that's matched instead
> > of the current one.
> > 
> > What am I doing wrong?  

As it turns out I just had a mess of gpg vs gpg2 keyrings. I had
accidentally generated the new keys on gpg while gpg-agent uses the
gpg2 keyring. After exporting all secret keys from gpg and importing
them to gpg2, the decryption works as expected.

Cheers,
Christian


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 10 09:16:48 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 08:16:48 +0000
Subject: [Users] TLS indication in header
In-Reply-To: <20161109151129.1d5042a4@linux-h57q.site>
References: <20161108000751.6250ddba@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161108140433.63d4e4ea@kujata>
 <20161109104057.72a27278@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161109221357.07b4cab1@kujata>
 <20161109221625.5468242.27829.16006@lazygranch.com>
 <B707F0D600B88BE52B0F9CFF@ritz.innovate.net>
 <20161109151129.1d5042a4@linux-h57q.site>
Message-ID: <20161110081648.0fe80a43@kujata>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 15:11:29 -0800
"lists at lazygranch.com" <lists at lazygranch.com> wrote: 

> Im just going to downgrade to 3.11.0. I have to assume there is a
> problem in the 3.14.0 build. The headers were fine in the older rev.

Nothing changed in Claws Mail.

Did you actually try '/View/Show all headers' ?

with regards

Paul


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 10 09:19:33 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 08:19:33 +0000
Subject: [Users] TLS indication in header
In-Reply-To: <20161109173447.00d80ae4@linux-h57q.site>
References: <082703380067AD03DCC08D70@ritz.innovate.net>
 <20161109173447.00d80ae4@linux-h57q.site>
Message-ID: <20161110081933.3a9ca6bf@kujata>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 17:34:47 -0800
"lists at lazygranch.com" <lists at lazygranch.com> wrote: 

> Anyway, contol-H works perfectly.

Just like it always did.

with regards

Paul


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 10 10:28:58 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 09:28:58 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3722] Clear button doesn't refresh summary view
In-Reply-To: <bug-3722-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3722-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3722-595-hmYIREWNJN@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3722

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |WORKSFORME

--- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
I'm now unable to reproduce this, after trying on different installations.

I guess going mad starts with these little things... ;-)

Sorry for the noise.

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 10 11:59:53 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:59:53 +0000
Subject: [Users] TLS indication in header
In-Reply-To: <20161109150551.5febfac8@linux-h57q.site>
References: <20161108000751.6250ddba@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161108140433.63d4e4ea@kujata>
 <20161109104057.72a27278@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161109221357.07b4cab1@kujata>
 <20161109221625.5468242.27829.16006@lazygranch.com>
 <20161109222433.4f0f567f@kujata>
 <20161109150551.5febfac8@linux-h57q.site>
Message-ID: <20161110105953.3febe27b@kujata>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 15:05:51 -0800
"lists at lazygranch.com" <lists at lazygranch.com> wrote: 

> Under configuration->preferences->message view-> text options,
> display headers in message view is selected. In the edit section,
> all display options are selected, as well as display unspecified
> headers. 

When you tick the box to display unspecified headers, all headers are
displayed except those you have listed in 'hidden headers'. Right now
you have 'Received' listed in 'hidden headers', previously you did
not.

This is why you don't see the Received header.

with regards

Paul


From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Thu Nov 10 12:12:12 2016
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 11:12:12 +0000
Subject: [Users] TLS indication in header
In-Reply-To: <20161110081933.3a9ca6bf@kujata>
References: <082703380067AD03DCC08D70@ritz.innovate.net>
 <20161109173447.00d80ae4@linux-h57q.site>
 <20161110081933.3a9ca6bf@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161110111212.00001228@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 08:19:33 +0000
Paul wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 17:34:47 -0800
> "lists at lazygranch.com" <lists at lazygranch.com> wrote: 
> 
> > Anyway, contol-H works perfectly.  
> 
> Just like it always did.

+1

;-)

-- 

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From moh at gmx.org  Thu Nov 10 13:01:02 2016
From: moh at gmx.org (Steffen Klemer)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:01:02 +0100
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata> <nvq519$b2a$2@blaine.gmane.org>
 <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161108195643.00200c2b@ente.kel.wh.lokal>

Am Mon, 07.11.2016 um 15:11 schrieb Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk>:

> > I could just
> > browse through the next messages using "N" (and opening it).  
> 
> Currently you will need to press N and then Enter.
> 
> > 	The old behaviour was so much better (select message when
> > going to the next message, but not selecting when clicking on a
> > folder).  
> 
> A stronger argument was given: "I've specifically asked it not to
> open messages, but it does anyway". This was the previous,
> inconsistent method, which was just wrong.

Depends on your view. I always used 'go to' Next/Prev/Next Unread as a
way to navigate while reading and found it pretty obvious that 'Next
Msg' navigates to AND opens it. What would be the use case otherwise?

When I wanted to quickly go through the Msg-List without viewing Mails I
used up/down (and the setting to not open them). It was pretty handy to
have both possibilities and made keyboard-only life so much easier.

I honestly don't see the point of entangling the 'go to'-items with the
cursor-navigation. They are a different thing. The option reads 'open
when selected'. I don't 'select' with the 'go to' items. I go to them...
(IMHO)

And I definitely hate the behavior that the first unread mail is opened
when opening a folder.


Steffen


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From andrej at kacian.sk  Thu Nov 10 13:39:41 2016
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:39:41 +0100
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20161108195643.00200c2b@ente.kel.wh.lokal>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata> <nvq519$b2a$2@blaine.gmane.org>
 <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata>
 <20161108195643.00200c2b@ente.kel.wh.lokal>
Message-ID: <20161110133941.5848924d@penny>

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:01:02 +0100
Steffen Klemer <moh at gmx.org> wrote:

> Am Mon, 07.11.2016 um 15:11 schrieb Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk>:
> 
> > > I could just
> > > browse through the next messages using "N" (and opening it).    
> > 
> > Currently you will need to press N and then Enter.
> >   
> > > 	The old behaviour was so much better (select message when
> > > going to the next message, but not selecting when clicking on a
> > > folder).    
> > 
> > A stronger argument was given: "I've specifically asked it not to
> > open messages, but it does anyway". This was the previous,
> > inconsistent method, which was just wrong.  
> 
> Depends on your view. I always used 'go to' Next/Prev/Next Unread as a
> way to navigate while reading and found it pretty obvious that 'Next
> Msg' navigates to AND opens it. What would be the use case otherwise?
> 
> When I wanted to quickly go through the Msg-List without viewing Mails I
> used up/down (and the setting to not open them). It was pretty handy to
> have both possibilities and made keyboard-only life so much easier.
> 
> I honestly don't see the point of entangling the 'go to'-items with the
> cursor-navigation. They are a different thing. The option reads 'open
> when selected'. I don't 'select' with the 'go to' items. I go to them...
> (IMHO)

Yes, you go to the item with the cursor, which means you select it. And
then you open it.

What you're asking for is having "selecting", and then "another kind of
selecting", and have each of these two behave differently - which is
obviously confusing for a new user.

I know where you're coming from, this change has affected my workflow
as well, but reverting it is not a good idea. We're probably going to
add additional option(s) to allow tweaking this behaviour in more
detail, but it takes time to come up with a design that makes sense,
and at the same time doesn't require the user to have a degree in Claws
Mail internals.

> And I definitely hate the behavior that the first unread mail is opened
> when opening a folder.
> 
> 
> Steffen
> 
> 



-- 
Andrej


From moh at gmx.org  Thu Nov 10 14:04:06 2016
From: moh at gmx.org (Steffen Klemer)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:04:06 +0100
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20161110133941.5848924d@penny>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata> <nvq519$b2a$2@blaine.gmane.org>
 <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata>
 <20161108195643.00200c2b@ente.kel.wh.lokal>
 <20161110133941.5848924d@penny>
Message-ID: <20161110140406.3b474b8d@ente.kel.wh.lokal>

Am Thu, 10.11.2016 um 13:39 schrieb Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk>:

> What you're asking for is having "selecting", and then "another kind
> of selecting", and have each of these two behave differently - which
> is obviously confusing for a new user.

No, not really. Yes, this would solve my problem. Great and thank
you ;). (honestly! Claws is by far the most used and greatest piece of
software of my life)

But I'm trying to make a point that 'Go to' is something different then
select. If I take your argument a bit further it would mean that the
preview should not show the mail when I click on (select) a mail in the
list. If I think about it ... the current, new behavior should be called
'select next message', 'select next unread'. And the old behavior 'go to
next'...

I'm still struggling to find a use case for 'select next message'.


> I know where you're coming from, this change has affected my workflow
> as well, but reverting it is not a good idea. We're probably going to
> add additional option(s) to allow tweaking this behaviour in more
> detail, but it takes time to come up with a design that makes sense,
> and at the same time doesn't require the user to have a degree in
> Claws Mail internals.

Actually, what is most disturbing for me with the new setting is the
automatic select and open of a message when I open a folder. This
removes the 'unread' status of a more or less random-felt mail (depends
on unread and unseen status. Setting 'mark unread after 1s' or so also
doesn't help for my use case of going back to my default mailbox after
checking the others.

I see the point that it would also be confusing NOT to select and open
a mail when opening a folder. Actually this was changed some years ago
to the current behavior to stay consistent.

But anyway -- it breaks my user experience :P. I don't like it if
something happens magically without me noticing it. And this is the
case now when opening a folder (having 'open selected mail' und 'mark
unread' enabled).


Steffen

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From andrej at kacian.sk  Thu Nov 10 14:55:35 2016
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:55:35 +0100
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20161110140406.3b474b8d@ente.kel.wh.lokal>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata> <nvq519$b2a$2@blaine.gmane.org>
 <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata>
 <20161108195643.00200c2b@ente.kel.wh.lokal>
 <20161110133941.5848924d@penny>
 <20161110140406.3b474b8d@ente.kel.wh.lokal>
Message-ID: <20161110145535.3d1bd632@penny>

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:04:06 +0100
Steffen Klemer <moh at gmx.org> wrote:

> I'm still struggling to find a use case for 'select next message'.

What about:

It's a large message on IMAP, and I'm on a slow connection - I just
want to select it without opening (and therefore downloading) it, and
move it to another folder, or delete it.

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From lists at larsko.org  Thu Nov 10 18:33:38 2016
From: lists at larsko.org (Lars Kotthoff)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 09:33:38 -0800
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20161110140406.3b474b8d@ente.kel.wh.lokal>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata> <nvq519$b2a$2@blaine.gmane.org>
 <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata>
 <20161108195643.00200c2b@ente.kel.wh.lokal>
 <20161110133941.5848924d@penny>
 <20161110140406.3b474b8d@ente.kel.wh.lokal>
Message-ID: <20161110093338.44de064d@sakura>

> Actually, what is most disturbing for me with the new setting is the
> automatic select and open of a message when I open a folder. This
> removes the 'unread' status of a more or less random-felt mail (depends
> on unread and unseen status. Setting 'mark unread after 1s' or so also
> doesn't help for my use case of going back to my default mailbox after
> checking the others.

It's the same for me. I didn't even notice this at first, in particular when
going to an IMAP folder that refreshes when opened and marks the only new mail
immediately read, making it very easy to miss that there was new mail to start
with.

Cheers,

Lars


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 11 15:38:06 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 14:38:06 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3719] Unable to sign mail
In-Reply-To: <bug-3719-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3719-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3719-595-dRYW4FTAqk@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3719

--- Comment #2 from Gerard Seibert <gerard.seibert at gmail.com> ---
(In reply to comment #1)

Thanks :)

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From rhutter at posteo.de  Sat Nov 12 17:40:32 2016
From: rhutter at posteo.de (Ralf Hutter)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 17:40:32 +0100
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.14.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20161110140406.3b474b8d@ente.kel.wh.lokal>
References: <20161106122711.046e1bba@kujata> <nvq519$b2a$2@blaine.gmane.org>
 <20161107151101.30ad5499@kujata>
 <20161108195643.00200c2b@ente.kel.wh.lokal>
 <20161110133941.5848924d@penny>
 <20161110140406.3b474b8d@ente.kel.wh.lokal>
Message-ID: <20161112174032.0983242c@Trisdesk>

I, too, agree with steffen.
Ralf

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:04:06 +0100 Steffen Klemer <moh at gmx.org> wrote:

> Am Thu, 10.11.2016 um 13:39 schrieb Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk>:
> 
> > What you're asking for is having "selecting", and then "another kind
> > of selecting", and have each of these two behave differently - which
> > is obviously confusing for a new user.
> 
> No, not really. Yes, this would solve my problem. Great and thank
> you ;). (honestly! Claws is by far the most used and greatest piece of
> software of my life)
> 
> But I'm trying to make a point that 'Go to' is something different
> then select. If I take your argument a bit further it would mean that
> the preview should not show the mail when I click on (select) a mail
> in the list. If I think about it ... the current, new behavior should
> be called 'select next message', 'select next unread'. And the old
> behavior 'go to next'...
> 
> I'm still struggling to find a use case for 'select next message'.
> 
> 
> > I know where you're coming from, this change has affected my
> > workflow as well, but reverting it is not a good idea. We're
> > probably going to add additional option(s) to allow tweaking this
> > behaviour in more detail, but it takes time to come up with a
> > design that makes sense, and at the same time doesn't require the
> > user to have a degree in Claws Mail internals.
> 
> Actually, what is most disturbing for me with the new setting is the
> automatic select and open of a message when I open a folder. This
> removes the 'unread' status of a more or less random-felt mail
> (depends on unread and unseen status. Setting 'mark unread after 1s'
> or so also doesn't help for my use case of going back to my default
> mailbox after checking the others.
> 
> I see the point that it would also be confusing NOT to select and open
> a mail when opening a folder. Actually this was changed some years ago
> to the current behavior to stay consistent.
> 
> But anyway -- it breaks my user experience :P. I don't like it if
> something happens magically without me noticing it. And this is the
> case now when opening a folder (having 'open selected mail' und 'mark
> unread' enabled).
> 
> 
> Steffen
> 
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 12 20:53:36 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 19:53:36 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3723] New: Website does not use HTTPS
Message-ID: <bug-3723-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3723

            Bug ID: 3723
           Summary: Website does not use HTTPS
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Website
           Version: unspecified
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Windows 7
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: General
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: bugmenot at mailinator.com

Hello,
The website does not currently use HTTPS on the bug tracker or the main
website. It is important to prevent MITM attacks for downloads, as well as
secure user passwords logging into the bug tracker when use public networks.

It is now possible to get a free HTTPS/SSL cert from LetsEncrypt:
https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/

Thank you.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 12 21:03:35 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:03:35 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3724] New: Ability to change X-Mailer from Preferences
Message-ID: <bug-3724-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3724

            Bug ID: 3724
           Summary: Ability to change X-Mailer from Preferences
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: other
          Hardware: PC
                OS: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Actions
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: bugmenot at mailinator.com

Hello,
Due to the unique identifier of Claws-Mail, it would be nice to enter a custom
useragent/x-mailer string. In this way users could protect their privacy by
using more common X-Mailer, such as Thunderbird.

Thank you.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 12 21:35:05 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:35:05 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3725] New: Ability to set custom GPG command line
	arguments
Message-ID: <bug-3725-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3725

            Bug ID: 3725
           Summary: Ability to set custom GPG command line arguments
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: other
          Hardware: PC
                OS: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: Plugins/Privacy
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: bugmenot at mailinator.com

Hello,
The GPG defaults are not secure for privacy. TorBirdy fixes this in
ThunderBird/Engimail via using the "GPG commannd line arguments" override.

See here for example:
https://github.com/ioerror/torbirdy/blob/master/gpg.conf

If users were allowed to insert GPG command line arguments it could fix the
problem, or consider importing these as an option in the GPG preferences.

Thank you.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 12 21:45:04 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:45:04 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3724] Ability to change X-Mailer from Preferences
In-Reply-To: <bug-3724-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3724-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3724-595-4pBKzyajho@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3724

--- Comment #1 from brad at fineby.me.uk <brad at fineby.me.uk> ---
This can already be done.  Account prefs / Account / Send / Add User defined
header.  Anything you create there will overwrite the default string.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 12 22:16:48 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 21:16:48 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3725] Ability to set custom GPG command line arguments
In-Reply-To: <bug-3725-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3725-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3725-595-uiTa6T9PQO@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3725

--- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
What stops you from configuring your gpg.conf the way you want?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 12 22:37:04 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 21:37:04 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3724] Ability to change X-Mailer from Preferences
In-Reply-To: <bug-3724-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3724-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3724-595-mMtgDdWqBh@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3724

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

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From barry at python.org  Sun Nov 13 00:54:18 2016
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:54:18 -0500
Subject: [Users] Debugging the Python plugin on Ubuntu
Message-ID: <20161112185418.56981d68@anarchist>

I'm trying to debug a problem with the Python plugin on Ubuntu 17.04 (Zesty
Zerus).  I recently sync'd the version in Ubuntu with the version in Debian
unstable, i.e. 3.14.1-1.  When I start `claws-mail --debug` I see this in the
console:

plugin.c:452:trying to load `/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/claws-mail/plugins/python.so'
plugin.c:370:plugin licence check passed: GPL3+ found
hooks.c:70:registered new hook for 'compose_created' as id 1
hooks.c:89:unregistered hook 1 in 'compose_created'

** (claws-mail:18610): WARNING **: plugin loading error: (null)

and I get the dialog saying that CM couldn't load the Python plugin.  In the
Plugins dialog, I see 'Python' in italics, and trying to explicitly load the
.so also fails.

ldd on the .so doesn't show any missing libraries, and I don't know how to get
any more debugging information out of CM or the plugin.  I haven't been able
to verify whether or not the same problem happens on Debian unstable.

A few other data points: 3.14.0-1ubuntu1 on Ubuntu 16.10 works just fine.  The
same version on 17.04 (before I resync'd) also could not load the Python
plugin.  These make me think it's a library skew of some sort.  We thought it
might be boost, but afaict, python.so doesn't link against libboost.

I'm rather at a loss, but before I start gdb'ing my way around the code, I
thought I'd reach out to see if anybody has noticed any similar problems with
3.14.1.  Happy to file a bug with Bugzilla if that would help.

Cheers,
-Barry
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From mir at miras.org  Sun Nov 13 01:21:08 2016
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:21:08 +0100
Subject: [Users] Debugging the Python plugin on Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <20161112185418.56981d68@anarchist>
References: <20161112185418.56981d68@anarchist>
Message-ID: <20161113012108.5e6da87d@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:54:18 -0500
Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:

> 
> I'm rather at a loss, but before I start gdb'ing my way around the code, I
> thought I'd reach out to see if anybody has noticed any similar problems with
> 3.14.1.  Happy to file a bug with Bugzilla if that would help.
> 
What is the python version used in 17.04?
It might be that the python plugin only works with python < 3.x so try
installing python 2.7 and see if somehow can make the plugin use this
python version instead of the default, if default is python >= 3.x

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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Sun Nov 13 02:52:36 2016
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:52:36 -0500
Subject: [Users] How to purge deletions?
Message-ID: <20161112205236.7e6fb6cb@mydesk.domain.cxm>

Hi all,

On deletions, I *don't* use the "move to trash immediately" feature, so
my deleted emails are simply marked. I like that better in case of
accidental deletions.

However, it seems like those marked deletions stay in my folders
forever, with no way of getting rid of them. I can use "hide deleted"
to hide them, but when I uncheck and recheck "hide deleted", the old
deleted emails are visible while there's no hiding.

Fascinatingly enough, I have one folder in which if I delete all
files, leave the folder and come back, all the deletions are gone and I
have a clean folder. But this isn't reproducible in other folders.

I can perform "rebuild folder tree", and the deleted messages remain.

I'm using Claws-Mail 3.13.2, and my account is an IMAP account looking
at my local Dovecot 2.2.26.0 server.

Does anyone have any tips how to purge very old deletions while
retaining the "modern" ones?

Thanks,

SteveT

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From darko.koruga at siol.net  Sun Nov 13 08:29:25 2016
From: darko.koruga at siol.net (Darko K.)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 08:29:25 +0100
Subject: [Users] How to purge deletions?
In-Reply-To: <20161112205236.7e6fb6cb@mydesk.domain.cxm>
References: <20161112205236.7e6fb6cb@mydesk.domain.cxm>
Message-ID: <20161113082925.03191a0b@beavis.confused.org>

On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:52:36 -0500 Steve Litt wrote:

> On deletions, I *don't* use the "move to trash immediately" feature,
> so my deleted emails are simply marked. I like that better in case of
> accidental deletions.
> 
> However, it seems like those marked deletions stay in my folders
> forever, with no way of getting rid of them. I can use "hide deleted"
> to hide them, but when I uncheck and recheck "hide deleted", the old
> deleted emails are visible while there's no hiding.
> 
> [... snip ...]
> 
> Does anyone have any tips how to purge very old deletions while
> retaining the "modern" ones?
> 
Right click on a message marked for deletion and select Mark -> Unmark
to remove the flag (or any other such flag, move to folder for
example). I believe the default keybinding for this operation is U.

Regards,
                          Darko


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 13 16:03:49 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:03:49 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3726] New: Crash on Vista opening INBOX
Message-ID: <bug-3726-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3726

            Bug ID: 3726
           Summary: Crash on Vista opening INBOX
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail (Windows)
           Version: 3.14.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: other
            Status: NEW
          Severity: major
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: singpolyma at singpolyma.net

Setup works, but when trying to open INBOX for the first time (or, when trying
to rebuild folder tree, either one) claws crashes.  Every time.  So I cannot
actually read my mail at all.

This is using TLS with STARTTLS for IMAP against a Dreamhost IMAP server.

Claws works with these settings and this server on my Debian machine, but on
Vista just crashes.

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From ricardo at mones.org  Sun Nov 13 19:31:13 2016
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 19:31:13 +0100
Subject: [Users] Clawsker 1.0.1 released
Message-ID: <20161113193113.19a6038a@busgosu>

Hi all,

Clawsker, the hidden preferences editor for Claws Mail has been
released.

Changes from previous version copied from the NEWS file:

1.0.1:
  - Small code refactoring and some fixes
  - String management improvements
  - Complete application icons
  - Translations:
    • New: Danish
    • Updated: Swedish, Catalan, Turkish, Indonesian, French,
      Norwegian Bokmål and Spanish
    • Partially updated: German
  - See git log for further details

More details and download links on homepage:
http://www.claws-mail.org/clawsker.php

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 13 21:15:47 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:15:47 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3726] Crash on Vista opening INBOX
In-Reply-To: <bug-3726-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3726-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3726-595-h9fS8l9cu2@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3726

--- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
Does the 32-bit version crash too? It is available for download on the same
page. Just make sure you uninstall the existing version before installing this
one.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 13 22:07:29 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:07:29 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3726] Crash on Vista opening INBOX
In-Reply-To: <bug-3726-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3726-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3726-595-lAcPvNiY0g@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3726

--- Comment #2 from Stephen Paul Weber <singpolyma at singpolyma.net> ---
Sorry, should have mentioned that. This issue is in the 32bit version. The
computer has a 32bit CPU so I could not try the 64bit version to see if it does
the same.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 13 22:24:54 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:24:54 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3726] Crash on Vista opening INBOX
In-Reply-To: <bug-3726-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3726-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3726-595-zi1YTHD4Ae@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3726

--- Comment #3 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
I see. Can you try previous version from
http://claws-mail.org/download.php?file=win32/claws-mail-3.14.0-1.exe ?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 14 13:11:53 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:11:53 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3727] New: race condition on install
Message-ID: <bug-3727-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3727

            Bug ID: 3727
           Summary: race condition on install
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: clawsker
           Version: 1.0.1
          Hardware: All
                OS: All
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: minor
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mail at eworm.de

Created attachment 1695
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Makefile: correct ordering for install

Directories were installed in parallel to icons, triggering a race
condition. So make sure we have correct ordering.

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From kae at midnighthax.com  Mon Nov 14 15:09:12 2016
From: kae at midnighthax.com (Keith Edmunds)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:09:12 +0000
Subject: [Users] Display next on delete
Message-ID: <20161114140912.5c6608ef@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>

Just upgraded to 3.14.1-17-g7518f0. Now, when deleting a message, the next
message is selected but not displayed. Clicking on the (selected) message
in the summary displays the message as expected.

Configuration/Preferences/Display/Summaries has "Open message when
selected" set to "Yes".

(Note: http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Interface suggests it
should be set to "Always", but that isn't an option - maybe that page
needs updating).

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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Mon Nov 14 16:25:55 2016
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:25:55 -0500
Subject: [Users] How to purge deletions?
In-Reply-To: <20161113082925.03191a0b@beavis.confused.org>
References: <20161112205236.7e6fb6cb@mydesk.domain.cxm>
 <20161113082925.03191a0b@beavis.confused.org>
Message-ID: <20161114102555.24a71ae0@mydesk.domain.cxm>

On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 08:29:25 +0100, "Darko K." <darko.koruga at siol.net>
wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:52:36 -0500 Steve Litt wrote:
> 
> > On deletions, I *don't* use the "move to trash immediately" feature,
> > so my deleted emails are simply marked. I like that better in case
> > of accidental deletions.
> > 
> > However, it seems like those marked deletions stay in my folders
> > forever, with no way of getting rid of them. I can use "hide
> > deleted" to hide them, but when I uncheck and recheck "hide
> > deleted", the old deleted emails are visible while there's no
> > hiding.
> > 
> > [... snip ...]
> > 
> > Does anyone have any tips how to purge very old deletions while
> > retaining the "modern" ones?
> >   
> Right click on a message marked for deletion and select Mark -> Unmark
> to remove the flag (or any other such flag, move to folder for
> example). I believe the default keybinding for this operation is U.
> 
> Regards,


Thanks Darko,

The Unmark (U) action "undeletes"  the deleted email. That capability
is why I don't turn off the "move to trash and expunge immediately".
I know how to undelete, but whan I don't know how to do is purge so the
message simply vanishes from the message list.

Thanks,

SteveT

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From ricardo at mones.org  Mon Nov 14 16:32:56 2016
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:32:56 +0100
Subject: [Users] Display next on delete
In-Reply-To: <20161114140912.5c6608ef@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
References: <20161114140912.5c6608ef@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
Message-ID: <20161114153255.GA17183@busgosu.mones.org>

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 02:09:12PM +0000, Keith Edmunds wrote:
> Just upgraded to 3.14.1-17-g7518f0. Now, when deleting a message, the next
> message is selected but not displayed. Clicking on the (selected) message
> in the summary displays the message as expected.
> 
> Configuration/Preferences/Display/Summaries has "Open message when
> selected" set to "Yes".

git show 75fcc188b633803a6279e278a14a5be1e237c9d3

> (Note: http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Interface suggests it
> should be set to "Always", but that isn't an option - maybe that page
> needs updating).

It's a wiki, go ahead! :)
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  15:14 <@mones> you're overconfident today :)                         
  15:14 <@claws> i will be this way forever now        Seen on #claws
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 14 16:36:02 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:36:02 +0000
Subject: [Users] Display next on delete
In-Reply-To: <20161114153255.GA17183@busgosu.mones.org>
References: <20161114140912.5c6608ef@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
 <20161114153255.GA17183@busgosu.mones.org>
Message-ID: <20161114153602.2f42c3a0@kujata>

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:32:56 +0100
Ricardo Mones <ricardo at mones.org> wrote: 

> It's a wiki, go ahead! :)

Go ahead, but only later, so that the current release is reflected in
the FAQ for the moment.

with regards

Paul


From kae at midnighthax.com  Mon Nov 14 16:46:02 2016
From: kae at midnighthax.com (Keith Edmunds)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:46:02 +0000
Subject: [Users] Display next on delete
In-Reply-To: <20161114153255.GA17183@busgosu.mones.org>
References: <20161114140912.5c6608ef@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
 <20161114153255.GA17183@busgosu.mones.org>
Message-ID: <20161114154550.53955bc3@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>

In your mail dated Mon, 14 Nov 2016 at 16:32:56, you said:

> git show 75fcc188b633803a6279e278a14a5be1e237c9d3

Thanks. If I read that correctly - which I probably don't - I need to set
open_selected_on_folder_open if I want the display-next-on-delete
functionality.

I don't want open_selected_on_folder_open, so how can I restore the
original behaviour of displaying the next message when I delete the
current one?

Thanks,
Keith
-- 
"Laughter is the best medicine, though it tends not to work in the case
of impotence" - Jo Brand
    


From andrej at kacian.sk  Mon Nov 14 17:56:46 2016
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:56:46 +0100
Subject: [Users] Display next on delete
In-Reply-To: <20161114154550.53955bc3@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
References: <20161114140912.5c6608ef@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
 <20161114153255.GA17183@busgosu.mones.org>
 <20161114154550.53955bc3@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
Message-ID: <20161114175646.4263df80@penny>

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:46:02 +0000
Keith Edmunds <kae at midnighthax.com> wrote:

> In your mail dated Mon, 14 Nov 2016 at 16:32:56, you said:
> 
> > git show 75fcc188b633803a6279e278a14a5be1e237c9d3  
> 
> Thanks. If I read that correctly - which I probably don't - I need to set
> open_selected_on_folder_open if I want the display-next-on-delete
> functionality.

No, that option is for when you want to open selected message when you
enter a folder. For opening selected message in all other scenarios
(mostly using various "Go to ..." options, or after moving or
deleting a message), there is the other option you mentioned before, set
to "Yes".

If that doesn't work, something is wrong.

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From kae at midnighthax.com  Mon Nov 14 18:04:59 2016
From: kae at midnighthax.com (Keith Edmunds)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:04:59 +0000
Subject: [Users] Display next on delete
In-Reply-To: <20161114175646.4263df80@penny>
References: <20161114140912.5c6608ef@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
 <20161114153255.GA17183@busgosu.mones.org>
 <20161114154550.53955bc3@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
 <20161114175646.4263df80@penny>
Message-ID: <20161114170459.041d4ba7@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>

In your mail dated Mon, 14 Nov 2016 at 17:56:46, you said:

> there is the other option you mentioned before, set
> to "Yes".
> 
> If that doesn't work, something is wrong.

It doesn't work, so something is wrong.

What can I do to help isolate this issue?

Thanks,
Keith
-- 
"Why does God hate me so much? Is it because I don't believe in him?" -
Sidney Morgenbesser
    


From andrej at kacian.sk  Mon Nov 14 18:17:47 2016
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:17:47 +0100
Subject: [Users] Display next on delete
In-Reply-To: <20161114170459.041d4ba7@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
References: <20161114140912.5c6608ef@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
 <20161114153255.GA17183@busgosu.mones.org>
 <20161114154550.53955bc3@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
 <20161114175646.4263df80@penny>
 <20161114170459.041d4ba7@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
Message-ID: <20161114181747.1b6c49ee@penny>

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:04:59 +0000
Keith Edmunds <kae at midnighthax.com> wrote:

> In your mail dated Mon, 14 Nov 2016 at 17:56:46, you said:
> 
> > there is the other option you mentioned before, set
> > to "Yes".
> > 
> > If that doesn't work, something is wrong.  
> 
> It doesn't work, so something is wrong.
> 
> What can I do to help isolate this issue?

Umm, let's clarify here - by "deleting", do you in fact mean "moving to
trash"? Because I just found out that next message indeed doesn't get
selected when moving a message to trash.

-- 
Andrej


From kae at midnighthax.com  Mon Nov 14 18:25:03 2016
From: kae at midnighthax.com (Keith Edmunds)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:25:03 +0000
Subject: [Users] Display next on delete
In-Reply-To: <20161114181747.1b6c49ee@penny>
References: <20161114140912.5c6608ef@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
 <20161114153255.GA17183@busgosu.mones.org>
 <20161114154550.53955bc3@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
 <20161114175646.4263df80@penny>
 <20161114170459.041d4ba7@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
 <20161114181747.1b6c49ee@penny>
Message-ID: <20161114172503.2d76df85@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>

In your mail dated Mon, 14 Nov 2016 at 18:17:47, you said:

> by "deleting", do you in fact mean "moving to
> trash"? Because I just found out that next message indeed doesn't get
> selected when moving a message to trash.

I do, and apologies for not being clear before. To be clearer still: it
gets selected, but doesn't display.

Keith
-- 
"One can never know for sure what a deserted area looks like" -
George Carlin
    


From andrej at kacian.sk  Mon Nov 14 18:38:46 2016
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:38:46 +0100
Subject: [Users] Display next on delete
In-Reply-To: <20161114172503.2d76df85@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
References: <20161114140912.5c6608ef@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
 <20161114153255.GA17183@busgosu.mones.org>
 <20161114154550.53955bc3@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
 <20161114175646.4263df80@penny>
 <20161114170459.041d4ba7@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
 <20161114181747.1b6c49ee@penny>
 <20161114172503.2d76df85@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
Message-ID: <20161114183846.7ae040ec@penny>

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:25:03 +0000
Keith Edmunds <kae at midnighthax.com> wrote:

> In your mail dated Mon, 14 Nov 2016 at 18:17:47, you said:
> 
> > by "deleting", do you in fact mean "moving to
> > trash"? Because I just found out that next message indeed doesn't get
> > selected when moving a message to trash.  
> 
> I do, and apologies for not being clear before. To be clearer still: it
> gets selected, but doesn't display.

I just pushed out a fix to the git repo, it should now work as intended.

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 14 18:40:38 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:40:38 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3727] race condition on install
In-Reply-To: <bug-3727-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3727-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3727-595-KvrIVvYmEq@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3727

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|UNCONFIRMED                 |NEW
     Ever confirmed|0                           |1

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 14 18:53:22 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:53:22 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3727] race condition on install
In-Reply-To: <bug-3727-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3727-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3727-595-WK7wNRlexz@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3727

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

--- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
Fixed in
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=clawsker.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f974f7c2d6a443c5798f7738418b4ef28bcdd6e

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From kae at midnighthax.com  Mon Nov 14 19:14:05 2016
From: kae at midnighthax.com (Keith Edmunds)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:14:05 +0000
Subject: [Users] Display next on delete
In-Reply-To: <20161114183846.7ae040ec@penny>
References: <20161114140912.5c6608ef@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
 <20161114153255.GA17183@busgosu.mones.org>
 <20161114154550.53955bc3@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
 <20161114175646.4263df80@penny>
 <20161114170459.041d4ba7@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
 <20161114181747.1b6c49ee@penny>
 <20161114172503.2d76df85@awe.tiger-computing.wbp>
 <20161114183846.7ae040ec@penny>
Message-ID: <20161114181405.72329258@ws.midnighthax.com>

> I just pushed out a fix to the git repo, it should now work as intended.

Looks good to me. Thanks for the quick fix.

Keith
-- 
"One can never know for sure what a deserted area looks like" -
George Carlin
    


From mgr at nordkrater.de  Mon Nov 14 20:32:37 2016
From: mgr at nordkrater.de (Manuel =?UTF-8?B?R3Jvw58=?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:32:37 +0100
Subject: [Users] Default headers in message view
Message-ID: <20161114203237.3baa54af@jenova.fritz.box>

Hi everyone,

is there any good reason not to include the 'Bcc' header by default if
headers are shown in the message view?
I received an e-mail the other day and had no idea why, so I had to dig
myself through the message source until I found my address in the Bcc.

I couldn't find any rationale on that, so if there is one, please let
me know :)
-- 
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Manuel Groß
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From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Mon Nov 14 21:06:08 2016
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 21:06:08 +0100
Subject: [Users] Default headers in message view
In-Reply-To: <20161114203237.3baa54af@jenova.fritz.box>
References: <20161114203237.3baa54af@jenova.fritz.box>
Message-ID: <20161114210608.569d2900@utnubu>

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:32:37 +0100, Manuel Groß wrote:
>is there any good reason not to include the 'Bcc' header by default if
>headers are shown in the message view?

Hi,

I don't know what the default is, but here Bcc is shown.
I suspect you already know this, if not, you at least could add it in
Configuration > Preferences... > Message View > Text Options >
[x] Display header in message view > Edit.

Regards,
Ralf



From barry at python.org  Mon Nov 14 22:33:32 2016
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:33:32 -0500
Subject: [Users] Debugging the Python plugin on Ubuntu
References: <20161112185418.56981d68@anarchist>
 <20161113012108.5e6da87d@sleipner.datanom.net>
Message-ID: <20161114163332.01935d28@subdivisions.wooz.org>

On Nov 13, 2016, at 01:21 AM, Michael Rasmussen wrote:

>What is the python version used in 17.04?
>It might be that the python plugin only works with python < 3.x so try
>installing python 2.7 and see if somehow can make the plugin use this
>python version instead of the default, if default is python >= 3.x

We have both Python 2.7 and 3.5, with the former being /usr/bin/python and the
latter being /usr/bin/python3.  The Python plugin .so is definitely linked
against libpython2.7.so.1.0

Cheers,
-Barry
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From mgr at nordkrater.de  Mon Nov 14 22:45:13 2016
From: mgr at nordkrater.de (Manuel =?UTF-8?B?R3Jvw58=?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:45:13 +0100
Subject: [Users] Default headers in message view
In-Reply-To: <20161114210608.569d2900@utnubu>
References: <20161114203237.3baa54af@jenova.fritz.box>
 <20161114210608.569d2900@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20161114224513.23dcebd6@jenova.fritz.box>

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 21:06:08 +0100
Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:32:37 +0100, Manuel Groß wrote:
> >is there any good reason not to include the 'Bcc' header by default
> >if headers are shown in the message view?  
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't know what the default is, but here Bcc is shown.
> I suspect you already know this, if not, you at least could add it in
> Configuration > Preferences... > Message View > Text Options >
> [x] Display header in message view > Edit.

Thanks, that is indeed exactly what I did after I found out the Bcc is
not in there yet :)

In the current master branch, the Bcc does not seem to be part of the
array of headers to be shown by default. I was just wondering if it has
been forgotten or if it has been left out for a good reason.
-- 
Grüße/Regards
Manuel Groß
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 14 23:28:59 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:28:59 +0000
Subject: [Users] Default headers in message view
In-Reply-To: <20161114203237.3baa54af@jenova.fritz.box>
References: <20161114203237.3baa54af@jenova.fritz.box>
Message-ID: <20161114222859.7b8d961e@kujata>

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:32:37 +0100
Manuel Groß <mgr at nordkrater.de> wrote: 

> I couldn't find any rationale on that

Where did you look?

with regards

Paul


From mgr at nordkrater.de  Tue Nov 15 06:54:13 2016
From: mgr at nordkrater.de (Manuel =?UTF-8?B?R3Jvw58=?=)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 06:54:13 +0100
Subject: [Users] Default headers in message view
In-Reply-To: <20161114222859.7b8d961e@kujata>
References: <20161114203237.3baa54af@jenova.fritz.box>
 <20161114222859.7b8d961e@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161115065413.21d30420@jenova.fritz.box>

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:28:59 +0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:32:37 +0100
> Manuel Groß <mgr at nordkrater.de> wrote: 
> 
> > I couldn't find any rationale on that  
> 
> Where did you look?

FAQ, User manual, Wiki, Git repo. But maybe I'm just blind or
something, that's why I'm asking for a pointer.
-- 
Grüße/Regards
Manuel Groß
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 15 11:08:16 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:08:16 +0000
Subject: [Users] Default headers in message view
In-Reply-To: <20161115065413.21d30420@jenova.fritz.box>
References: <20161114203237.3baa54af@jenova.fritz.box>
 <20161114222859.7b8d961e@kujata>
 <20161115065413.21d30420@jenova.fritz.box>
Message-ID: <20161115100816.236bcede@kujata>

On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 06:54:13 +0100
Manuel Groß <mgr at nordkrater.de> wrote: 

> FAQ, User manual, Wiki, Git repo. But maybe I'm just blind or
> something, that's why I'm asking for a pointer.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2822#section-3.6.3

Mostly the Bcc'ed recipient of a message will not even see the Bcc
header.

Several pertinent RFC documents can be found in Claws Mail git repo:
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=tree;f=doc/src;h=9fb55a720d39c44811000357b4297c56172afad5;hb=HEAD

with regards

Paul


From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Tue Nov 15 11:08:13 2016
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:08:13 +0000
Subject: [Users] Default headers in message view
In-Reply-To: <20161114224513.23dcebd6@jenova.fritz.box>
References: <20161114203237.3baa54af@jenova.fritz.box>
 <20161114210608.569d2900@utnubu>
 <20161114224513.23dcebd6@jenova.fritz.box>
Message-ID: <20161115100813.00001b4f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:45:13 +0100
Manuel Groß wrote:

> In the current master branch, the Bcc does not seem to be part of the
> array of headers to be shown by default.

I've never used an MUA that displayed Bcc: headers by default, or at
least not one with a GUI interface.

-- 

Brian Morrison


From oao at csi.com  Mon Nov 14 19:26:01 2016
From: oao at csi.com (oao at csi.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:26:01 -0800
Subject: [Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <mailman.115.1479144310.3512.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
References: <mailman.115.1479144310.3512.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
Message-ID: <20161114.182601.318.1@[0.0.0.0]>

I am using the Windows version.

Is there any way --either during installation or after-- to configure Claws-Mail to store the messages and settings on a custom partition/drive other than the system partition? I have not found any option to do so, but I know it is possible.


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 15 12:11:15 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:11:15 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3728] New: claws-mail 3.14.1 for Windows (64-bit)
 crashing sporadically when opening unread emails
Message-ID: <bug-3728-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3728

            Bug ID: 3728
           Summary: claws-mail 3.14.1 for Windows (64-bit) crashing
                    sporadically when opening unread emails
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail (Windows)
           Version: 3.14.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Windows 10
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: gerard.seibert at gmail.com

Created attachment 1696
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1696&action=edit
Debug Log

I am using the
"http://claws-mail.org/win32/test/claws-mail-3.14.1-2newcairo.exe" version.
Andrej asked me to test this version since I was experiencing crashes every few
minutes with the 3.14.1 version of claws-mail. This is the 64 bit version, I
might add.

Now, with the updated cairo libraries, claws-mail crashes less often, but it
still crashes. I have attached the output from a debug session under "gdb.exe".
I did notice that when claws-mail halted, on the screen, in the bottom left
corner of the screen, this was displayed, "Flagging Messages".

Apparently, it seems that the crash happens during rendering text in an HTML
e-mail, as done by the Fancy plugin, using WebKit HTML renderer.

This crash only happens when switching between unread message apparently. I
have never had it happen when trying to read a previously read message.

System Info:

Windows 10 PRO
version 1607
OS Build 14393.447
Installed RAM 32.0 GB
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4820K CPU 3.70 GHz
64-bit operating system, x86 based processor

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From clawsmail at kushwaha.com  Tue Nov 15 12:42:14 2016
From: clawsmail at kushwaha.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:12:14 +0530
Subject: [Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <20161114.182601.318.1@[0.0.0.0]>
References: <mailman.115.1479144310.3512.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
 <20161114.182601.318.1@[0.0.0.0]>
Message-ID: <20161115171214.00007772@netsolutions.in>

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 10:26:01 -0800, oao at csi.com wrote:

> I am using the Windows version.
> 
> Is there any way --either during installation or after-- to
> configure Claws-Mail to store the messages and settings on a custom
> partition/drive other than the system partition? I have not found
> any option to do so, but I know it is possible.

First, let's understand what's where. You need two folders:
 1. Claws-Mail
    typically in C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\
 2. Mail
    typically in C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\ as well

#1 is your config directory. #2 is your mailbox folder.

Let's change both.

First, exit Claws.

Now, move Claws-Mail (config) to anywhere you want. Let's say we
moved it to D:\Claws-Mail. Now, set-up a link to that folder in your
C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\ folder:
 1. Make sure you're in admin cmd
 2. cd c:\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\
 3. mklink /d Claws-Mail D:\Claws-Mail

Next, let's move the Mail folder. Let's say we moved it to D:\Mail

Now open up folderlist.xml in your D:\Claws-Mail\ folder and edit
your mailbox path. It'll be line 3 in that file. It'll look like
this:
 <folder type="mh" path="C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\Mail"

After change, it'll look like this:
 <folder type="mh" path="D:\Mail"

If you have additional mailboxes, you need to do this for each of
them. Most people have a single mailbox. I'll assume you have 1.

Save. Exit. Start Claws. Enjoy.
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 15 13:40:16 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:40:16 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2813] Use contact name from Address Book on reply if
	possible
In-Reply-To: <bug-2813-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2813-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2813-595-QL7j0j9FcI@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2813

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*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 1831 ***

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 15 13:40:16 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:40:16 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 1831] Feature request: format To address using address
 book when replying
In-Reply-To: <bug-1831-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-1831-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-1831-595-Bvp0ocoHSb@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1831

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*** Bug 2813 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 15 13:50:06 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:50:06 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2634] Increase efficiency
In-Reply-To: <bug-2634-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2634-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2634-595-01jLweSuiz@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2634

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Further efficiency cannot be achieved until mind-reading hardware is available.

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From ethy.brito at inexo.com.br  Tue Nov 15 15:11:02 2016
From: ethy.brito at inexo.com.br (Ethy H. Brito)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:11:02 -0200
Subject: [Users] IMPORT from bridged Local channels not importing.
Message-ID: <20161115121102.4ef150cc@babalu>


Hi All

I have some users that can access outside world telephone number.
They have external numbers to be reached as well.

Due to internal policy restrictions, they are not allowed to dial 
each other internal numbers. I Can't change that.

When an internal user dials the external number for another internal user, 
I Dial(Local/...) the second user. 

So I end up with two channels:
	SIP/origin to Local/dest_ext_num;1
	and
	Local/dest_ext_num;2 to SIP/destination

When the call is hung up (h extension), I need to grab the stats of both 
legs (SIP/origin and SIP/destination) of the call, so I use:

	${RTPAUDIOQOS} 

to grab the origin leg stats and 

	Set(MyDESTCH=${CUT(CDR(dstchannel),\;,1)}\;2)
	Set(DESTCH=${IMPORT(${MyDESTCH},BRIDGEPEER)})
	Set(STATS=${IMPORT(${DESTCH},CHANNEL(rtpqos,audio,all))})

to grab the stats for destination leg.

MyDESTCH is correctly set to "Local/dest_ext_num;2"
DESTCH receives "SIP/destination"
But STATS is ""

What am I missing here?
Is there a smarter way for grabbing these?

Another questions: when the call is hung, in which context is "h extension" run? 
Always originator? Always destination? Depends on what? 
What about in this scenario I describe (four contexts involved)?

Thanx for your time.
Cheers

Ethy



From ethy.brito at inexo.com.br  Tue Nov 15 15:14:14 2016
From: ethy.brito at inexo.com.br (Ethy H. Brito)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:14:14 -0200
Subject: [Users] IMPORT from bridged Local channels not importing.
In-Reply-To: <20161115121102.4ef150cc@babalu>
References: <20161115121102.4ef150cc@babalu>
Message-ID: <20161115121414.56b2b4bd@babalu>

On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:11:02 -0200
"Ethy H. Brito" <ethy.brito at inexo.com.br> wrote:

> 
> Hi All
> 
> I have some users that can access outside world telephone number.
> They have external numbers to be reached as well.
> 
> Due to internal policy restrictions, they are not allowed to dial 
> each other internal numbers. I Can't change that.
> 
> When an internal user dials the external number for another internal
> user, I Dial(Local/...) the second user. 
> 
> So I end up with two channels:
> 	SIP/origin to Local/dest_ext_num;1
> 	and
> 	Local/dest_ext_num;2 to SIP/destination
> 
> When the call is hung up (h extension), I need to grab the stats of both 
> legs (SIP/origin and SIP/destination) of the call, so I use:
> 
> 	${RTPAUDIOQOS} 
> 
> to grab the origin leg stats and 
> 
> 	Set(MyDESTCH=${CUT(CDR(dstchannel),\;,1)}\;2)
> 	Set(DESTCH=${IMPORT(${MyDESTCH},BRIDGEPEER)})
> 	Set(STATS=${IMPORT(${DESTCH},CHANNEL(rtpqos,audio,all))})
> 
> to grab the stats for destination leg.
> 
> MyDESTCH is correctly set to "Local/dest_ext_num;2"
> DESTCH receives "SIP/destination"
> But STATS is ""
> 
> What am I missing here?
> Is there a smarter way for grabbing these?
> 
> Another questions: when the call is hung, in which context is "h
> extension" run? Always originator? Always destination? Depends on what? 
> What about in this scenario I describe (four contexts involved)?

Sorry. 

Forgot to mention: asterisk -V

	Asterisk 11.7.0~dfsg-1ubuntu1 running on Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS

Cheers

Ethy


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 15 15:16:00 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:16:00 +0000
Subject: [Users] IMPORT from bridged Local channels not importing.
In-Reply-To: <20161115121414.56b2b4bd@babalu>
References: <20161115121102.4ef150cc@babalu> <20161115121414.56b2b4bd@babalu>
Message-ID: <20161115141600.77267478@kujata>

On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:14:14 -0200
"Ethy H. Brito" <ethy.brito at inexo.com.br> wrote: 

> Sorry. 
> 
> Forgot to mention: asterisk -V
> 
> 	Asterisk 11.7.0~dfsg-1ubuntu1 running on Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS

That won't help you on this list :)

with regards

Paul


From ethy.brito at inexo.com.br  Tue Nov 15 15:16:50 2016
From: ethy.brito at inexo.com.br (Ethy H. Brito)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:16:50 -0200
Subject: [Users] IMPORT from bridged Local channels not importing.
In-Reply-To: <20161115121102.4ef150cc@babalu>
References: <20161115121102.4ef150cc@babalu>
Message-ID: <20161115121650.2725c760@babalu>


Hi.

I apologize for the noise.

This went to the WRONG list.

Please ignore.

Cheers

Ethy


On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:11:02 -0200
"Ethy H. Brito" <ethy.brito at inexo.com.br> wrote:

> 
> Hi All
> 
> I have some users that can access outside world telephone number.
> They have external numbers to be reached as well.
> 
> Due to internal policy restrictions, they are not allowed to dial 
> each other internal numbers. I Can't change that.
> 
> When an internal user dials the external number for another internal
> user, I Dial(Local/...) the second user. 
> 
> So I end up with two channels:
> 	SIP/origin to Local/dest_ext_num;1
> 	and
> 	Local/dest_ext_num;2 to SIP/destination
> 
> When the call is hung up (h extension), I need to grab the stats of both 
> legs (SIP/origin and SIP/destination) of the call, so I use:
> 
> 	${RTPAUDIOQOS} 
> 
> to grab the origin leg stats and 
> 
> 	Set(MyDESTCH=${CUT(CDR(dstchannel),\;,1)}\;2)
> 	Set(DESTCH=${IMPORT(${MyDESTCH},BRIDGEPEER)})
> 	Set(STATS=${IMPORT(${DESTCH},CHANNEL(rtpqos,audio,all))})
> 
> to grab the stats for destination leg.
> 
> MyDESTCH is correctly set to "Local/dest_ext_num;2"
> DESTCH receives "SIP/destination"
> But STATS is ""
> 
> What am I missing here?
> Is there a smarter way for grabbing these?
> 
> Another questions: when the call is hung, in which context is "h
> extension" run? Always originator? Always destination? Depends on what? 
> What about in this scenario I describe (four contexts involved)?
> 
> Thanx for your time.
> Cheers
> 
> Ethy
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users


From cwallace at lodgingcompany.com  Tue Nov 15 18:08:49 2016
From: cwallace at lodgingcompany.com (Chad Wallace)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 09:08:49 -0800
Subject: [Users] How to purge deletions?
In-Reply-To: <20161112205236.7e6fb6cb@mydesk.domain.cxm>
References: <20161112205236.7e6fb6cb@mydesk.domain.cxm>
Message-ID: <20161115090849.1853c475@ws78.int.tlc>

On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:52:36 -0500
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> On deletions, I *don't* use the "move to trash immediately" feature,
> so my deleted emails are simply marked. I like that better in case of
> accidental deletions.
> 
> However, it seems like those marked deletions stay in my folders
> forever, with no way of getting rid of them. I can use "hide deleted"
> to hide them, but when I uncheck and recheck "hide deleted", the old
> deleted emails are visible while there's no hiding.

To delete messages that have been marked for deletion, use
Tools -> Expunge (Ctrl-E for me).

To move messages to Trash after they have been marked for that, use
Tools -> Execute (X for me).

> Does anyone have any tips how to purge very old deletions while
> retaining the "modern" ones?

Both commands cited above will affect every message that you've marked
in the respective manner, regardless of age or duration of having been
marked.

If you want only some deleted messages to be deleted, you may have to
create your own system for that, perhaps with processing rules or a
scripting engine.


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 15 18:12:26 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:12:26 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3729] New: Use unicode instead of cp1251 in ldap
	queries
Message-ID: <bug-3729-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3729

            Bug ID: 3729
           Summary: Use unicode instead of cp1251 in ldap queries
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.14.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Windows 7
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Address Book/LDAP
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: ilya-valeev at yandex.ru

LDAP using fails in our network because Claws Mail uses cp1251 instead of
unicode in LDAP queries. Searching in LDAP addressbook fails with error:
> Error searching LDAP
or some similar error. If it does matter, Thunderbird 45.4.0 and Seamonkey 2.40
interacts with LDAP server properly.

Windows 7 SP1 x64, Claws Mail 3.14.1 x64.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 15 20:24:52 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:24:52 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3730] New: non-breaking hyphen in HTML
Message-ID: <bug-3730-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3730

            Bug ID: 3730
           Summary: non-breaking hyphen in HTML
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.14.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Windows 8
            Status: NEW
          Severity: trivial
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message View
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: rmaf at clix.pt

Created attachment 1697
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1697&action=edit
Example of behavior

Hi,
This is nothing but a small annoyance, that happens only with a few messages.
Nevertheless I will report it.

It happens with HTML messages that have non-breaking hyphen. I don´t know if
the hyphen is correctly or incorrectly formed in HTML. The facts is that if I
open a message in text/plain the hyphen is OK, but in text/html view the hyphen
is garbled.
If I open the same message in the browser, the hyphen again displays correctly.

I attach an example that, I hope, will illustrate the behavior.
In the example the problem appears on "estende‑se" "norte‑americana",
"matérias‑primas".

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From mgr at nordkrater.de  Tue Nov 15 21:10:53 2016
From: mgr at nordkrater.de (Manuel =?UTF-8?B?R3Jvw58=?=)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:10:53 +0100
Subject: [Users] Default headers in message view
In-Reply-To: <20161115100816.236bcede@kujata>
References: <20161114203237.3baa54af@jenova.fritz.box>
 <20161114222859.7b8d961e@kujata>
 <20161115065413.21d30420@jenova.fritz.box>
 <20161115100816.236bcede@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161115211053.74749563@jenova.fritz.box>

On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:08:16 +0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 06:54:13 +0100
> Manuel Groß <mgr at nordkrater.de> wrote: 
> 
> > FAQ, User manual, Wiki, Git repo. But maybe I'm just blind or
> > something, that's why I'm asking for a pointer.  
> 
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2822#section-3.6.3
> 
> Mostly the Bcc'ed recipient of a message will not even see the Bcc
> header.
> 
> Several pertinent RFC documents can be found in Claws Mail git repo:
> http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=tree;f=doc/src;h=9fb55a720d39c44811000357b4297c56172afad5;hb=HEAD

Okay, apparently I was too superficial skipping through the docs. Thank
you for the pointer and sorry for bothering you. I'll give it a read.
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 15 23:48:56 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 22:48:56 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3730] non-breaking hyphen in HTML
In-Reply-To: <bug-3730-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3730-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3730-595-5qu7fJpi5Q@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3730

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From barry at python.org  Wed Nov 16 21:30:04 2016
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:30:04 -0500
Subject: [Users] Debugging the Python plugin on Ubuntu
References: <20161112185418.56981d68@anarchist>
 <20161113012108.5e6da87d@sleipner.datanom.net>
 <20161114163332.01935d28@subdivisions.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20161116153004.55f9d3fe@presto.wooz.org>

I found the bug.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=844561

It boiled down to a missing dependency causing an import to fail.
Unfortunately this isn't logged anywhere so I had to trace it with gdb.

Cheers,
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From dave at howorth.org.uk  Wed Nov 16 23:11:32 2016
From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:11:32 +0000
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
Message-ID: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>

I just discovered that when I double-click on a word in a displayed
message, claws doesn't select the word I clicked in (unlike every other
application I can think of). Instead it removes a whole bunch of the
text around the word I clicked on and replaces it with [...].

I can't see the point of this, and especially I can't see the point in
deviating from what is a universal interface standard, so I very much
hope this is something that is configurable? Or that I've done something
stupid.

I've looked in the reference manual, but the word 'double' does not
appear as neither do the phrases 'select text' nor 'hide text'. My
google search didn't throw up anything useful either. So I'm hoping
somebody can explain.

Cheers, Dave


From mir at miras.org  Wed Nov 16 23:24:49 2016
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:24:49 +0100
Subject: [Users] Debugging the Python plugin on Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <20161116153004.55f9d3fe@presto.wooz.org>
References: <20161112185418.56981d68@anarchist>
 <20161113012108.5e6da87d@sleipner.datanom.net>
 <20161114163332.01935d28@subdivisions.wooz.org>
 <20161116153004.55f9d3fe@presto.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20161116232449.26f59bbf@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 15:30:04 -0500
Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:

> I found the bug.
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=844561
> 
> It boiled down to a missing dependency causing an import to fail.
> Unfortunately this isn't logged anywhere so I had to trace it with gdb.
> 
Should claws-mail's python plugin add this dependency or is it a bug
somewhere in the Debian packaging system?

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From cae at eslrahc.com  Wed Nov 16 23:27:28 2016
From: cae at eslrahc.com (Charles A Edwards)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:27:28 -0500
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
In-Reply-To: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
References: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
Message-ID: <20161116172728.2f4e2c34@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:11:32 +0000
Dave Howorth wrote:

> I just discovered that when I double-click on a word in a displayed
> message, claws doesn't select the word I clicked in (unlike every
> other application I can think of). Instead it removes a whole bunch
> of the text around the word I clicked on and replaces it with [...].

It's not removing the text it is simply collapsing it.
Double click on the [...] and the text magically re-appears.

I occasionally use it but not often.

If you prefer not to have that feature enabled
Configuration/Message View/Text Options
uncheck the box "Collapse quoted text on double click"


    Charles

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From mir at miras.org  Wed Nov 16 23:28:54 2016
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:28:54 +0100
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
In-Reply-To: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
References: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
Message-ID: <20161116232854.48dc768f@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:11:32 +0000
Dave Howorth <dave at howorth.org.uk> wrote:

> I just discovered that when I double-click on a word in a displayed
> message, claws doesn't select the word I clicked in (unlike every other
> application I can think of). Instead it removes a whole bunch of the
> text around the word I clicked on and replaces it with [...].
> 
You are sure that you are not actually referring to the message compose
view? Cause in message display view double-clicking on a word selects
this word.

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From mir at miras.org  Wed Nov 16 23:32:38 2016
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:32:38 +0100
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
In-Reply-To: <20161116172728.2f4e2c34@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:27:28 -0500
Charles A Edwards <cae at eslrahc.com> wrote:

> 
> It's not removing the text it is simply collapsing it.
> Double click on the [...] and the text magically re-appears.
> 
This is only true for quoted text. "Normal" text does not behave like
this.

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From cae at eslrahc.com  Wed Nov 16 23:40:15 2016
From: cae at eslrahc.com (Charles A Edwards)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:40:15 -0500
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
In-Reply-To: <20161116233238.28b1cb16@sleipner.datanom.net>
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:32:38 +0100
Michael Rasmussen wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:27:28 -0500
> Charles A Edwards <cae at eslrahc.com> wrote:
> 
>  [...]  
> This is only true for quoted text. "Normal" text does not behave like
> this.
> 

But it does apply to quoted text irrespective of where it is viewed.


    Charles

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From jjk at jjacky.com  Wed Nov 16 23:40:24 2016
From: jjk at jjacky.com (Olivier Brunel)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:40:24 +0100
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
In-Reply-To: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
References: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
Message-ID: <20161116234024.7b7ab613@jjacky.com>

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:11:32 +0000
Dave Howorth <dave at howorth.org.uk> wrote:

> I just discovered that when I double-click on a word in a displayed
> message, claws doesn't select the word I clicked in (unlike every
> other application I can think of). Instead it removes a whole bunch
> of the text around the word I clicked on and replaces it with [...].
> 
> I can't see the point of this, and especially I can't see the point in
> deviating from what is a universal interface standard, so I very much
> hope this is something that is configurable? Or that I've done
> something stupid.

You can turn off the collapsing via an option in Preferences, under
Message View / Text Options: Collapse quoted text on double click

However, I'm afraid it sadly won't fully resolve things as then
double-clicking does nothing, i.e. still doesn't select the word. I'm
not sure whether this is intended or a bug, though I (too) wish it
would.

Truth be told, I wish the quote-collapsing option was available via
another way - e.g. middle clicking maybe - so one could use both it &
the double-click to select word, which is very handy (and common) to
select text.

Cheers,


> I've looked in the reference manual, but the word 'double' does not
> appear as neither do the phrases 'select text' nor 'hide text'. My
> google search didn't throw up anything useful either. So I'm hoping
> somebody can explain.
> 
> Cheers, Dave
> _______________________________________________
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> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
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From dave at howorth.org.uk  Thu Nov 17 01:08:22 2016
From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 00:08:22 +0000
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
In-Reply-To: <20161116234024.7b7ab613@jjacky.com>
References: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
 <20161116234024.7b7ab613@jjacky.com>
Message-ID: <20161117000822.4ab5ca89@acer-suse.lan>

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:40:24 +0100
Olivier Brunel <jjk at jjacky.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:11:32 +0000
> Dave Howorth <dave at howorth.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> > I just discovered that when I double-click on a word in a displayed
> > message, claws doesn't select the word I clicked in (unlike every
> > other application I can think of). Instead it removes a whole bunch
> > of the text around the word I clicked on and replaces it with [...].
> > 
> > I can't see the point of this, and especially I can't see the point
> > in deviating from what is a universal interface standard, so I very
> > much hope this is something that is configurable? Or that I've done
> > something stupid.
> 
> You can turn off the collapsing via an option in Preferences, under
> Message View / Text Options: Collapse quoted text on double click
> 
> However, I'm afraid it sadly won't fully resolve things as then
> double-clicking does nothing, i.e. still doesn't select the word. I'm
> not sure whether this is intended or a bug, though I (too) wish it
> would.
> 
> Truth be told, I wish the quote-collapsing option was available via
> another way - e.g. middle clicking maybe - so one could use both it &
> the double-click to select word, which is very handy (and common) to
> select text.

Thanks. At least your instructions were complete.

But I agree with you. Double-clicking on text should mean word-select
EVERYWHERE. 

Bizarrely, double-clicking does select a word in the compose window,
which might be the one place I'd see some value in collapsing quotes,
although as you say it should use a different binding.

Not addressed to you in particular:
Has this subject come up before? Is there a feature request?

Incidentally, and also not addressed to you in particular, I wonder why
the preferences dialog is modal? And as it is why does it have an
Apply button as well as an OK button?


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 17 09:48:46 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 08:48:46 +0000
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
In-Reply-To: <20161116234024.7b7ab613@jjacky.com>
References: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
 <20161116234024.7b7ab613@jjacky.com>
Message-ID: <20161117084846.32b5ef63@kujata>

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:40:24 +0100
Olivier Brunel <jjk at jjacky.com> wrote: 

> However, I'm afraid it sadly won't fully resolve things as then
> double-clicking does nothing, i.e. still doesn't select the word.
> I'm not sure whether this is intended or a bug, though I (too) wish
> it would.

Do you often find yourself needing to copy one word from a message?

with regards

Paul


From kae at midnighthax.com  Thu Nov 17 09:53:45 2016
From: kae at midnighthax.com (Keith Edmunds)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 08:53:45 +0000
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
In-Reply-To: <20161117084846.32b5ef63@kujata>
References: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
 <20161116234024.7b7ab613@jjacky.com>
 <20161117084846.32b5ef63@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161117085345.567e6a77@ws.midnighthax.com>

In your mail dated Thu, 17 Nov 2016 at 08:48:46, you said:

> Do you often find yourself needing to copy one word from a message?

I can't answer for Olivier, but I do. Depends on the definition of
"often", but maybe a couple of times a week.

The bigger problem, IMO, is user expectation. Muscle memory "knows" that
double clicking on a word selects it, and double clicking on a word and
dragging will select in word sized chunks. That's not the case in Claws.
-- 
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't" - Jack Dempsey
    


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 17 10:03:08 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:03:08 +0000
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
In-Reply-To: <20161117085345.567e6a77@ws.midnighthax.com>
References: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
 <20161116234024.7b7ab613@jjacky.com>
 <20161117084846.32b5ef63@kujata>
 <20161117085345.567e6a77@ws.midnighthax.com>
Message-ID: <20161117090308.3e748a8d@kujata>

On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 08:53:45 +0000
Keith Edmunds <kae at midnighthax.com> wrote: 

> I can't answer for Olivier, but I do. Depends on the definition of
> "often", but maybe a couple of times a week.

That is surprising.

> The bigger problem, IMO, is user expectation. Muscle memory "knows"
> that double clicking on a word selects it, 

Muscle memory also knows that holding the button down and dragging
also selects.

> and double clicking on a
> word and dragging will select in word sized chunks. That's not the
> case in Claws.

I don't even know what you mean here. Nothing I normally use does
anything different from Claws Mail here. I can drag a selected
word from another msg and drop it here.

with regards

Paul


From kae at midnighthax.com  Thu Nov 17 10:12:40 2016
From: kae at midnighthax.com (Keith Edmunds)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:12:40 +0000
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
In-Reply-To: <20161117090308.3e748a8d@kujata>
References: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
 <20161116234024.7b7ab613@jjacky.com>
 <20161117084846.32b5ef63@kujata>
 <20161117085345.567e6a77@ws.midnighthax.com>
 <20161117090308.3e748a8d@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161117091240.6195ea8c@ws.midnighthax.com>

In your mail dated Thu, 17 Nov 2016 at 09:03:08, you said:

> > I can't answer for Olivier, but I do. Depends on the definition of
> > "often", but maybe a couple of times a week.  
> 
> That is surprising.

Never be surprised by how users use software (you've been doing this long
enough to know that!)

> > The bigger problem, IMO, is user expectation. Muscle memory "knows"
> > that double clicking on a word selects it,   
> 
> Muscle memory also knows that holding the button down and dragging
> also selects.

Yes, it does, but we're not talking about click and drag. We're talking
about user's expectations when they double click on a word. If a user
wants to select the whole word, it is much easier to put the mouse cursor
anywhere in the word and double click than the more precise positioning
that is needed to single click and drag.

> > and double clicking on a
> > word and dragging will select in word sized chunks. That's not the
> > case in Claws.  
> 
> I don't even know what you mean here.

Double click on a word, but hold the mouse down on the second click. Now
when you drag the mouse, the text is selected one full word at a time. I
use this _a lot_.
-- 
"I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what
you just said" - Willam F Buckely jr
    


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 17 10:18:02 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:18:02 +0000
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
In-Reply-To: <20161117091240.6195ea8c@ws.midnighthax.com>
References: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
 <20161116234024.7b7ab613@jjacky.com>
 <20161117084846.32b5ef63@kujata>
 <20161117085345.567e6a77@ws.midnighthax.com>
 <20161117090308.3e748a8d@kujata>
 <20161117091240.6195ea8c@ws.midnighthax.com>
Message-ID: <20161117091802.109de4cb@kujata>

On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:12:40 +0000
Keith Edmunds <kae at midnighthax.com> wrote: 

> Yes, it does, but we're not talking about click and drag. We're
> talking about user's expectations when they double click on a word.
> If a user wants to select the whole word, it is much easier to put
> the mouse cursor anywhere in the word and double click than the
> more precise positioning that is needed to single click and drag.

Yes, right, "user's" rather than "users'" :)

OK, well at least we have narrowed it down. We're talking about
handling of quoted text in the msg view only.

> Double click on a word, but hold the mouse down on the second
> click. Now when you drag the mouse, the text is selected one full
> word at a time. I use this _a lot_.

It works exactly like that for me in Claws.

with regards

Paul


From kae at midnighthax.com  Thu Nov 17 10:22:47 2016
From: kae at midnighthax.com (Keith Edmunds)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:22:47 +0000
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
In-Reply-To: <20161117091802.109de4cb@kujata>
References: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
 <20161116234024.7b7ab613@jjacky.com>
 <20161117084846.32b5ef63@kujata>
 <20161117085345.567e6a77@ws.midnighthax.com>
 <20161117090308.3e748a8d@kujata>
 <20161117091240.6195ea8c@ws.midnighthax.com>
 <20161117091802.109de4cb@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161117092247.4b33a7af@ws.midnighthax.com>

In your mail dated Thu, 17 Nov 2016 at 09:18:02, you said:

> OK, well at least we have narrowed it down. We're talking about
> handling of quoted text in the msg view only.

Yes. The OP made that pretty clear.

> > Double click on a word, but hold the mouse down on the second
> > click. Now when you drag the mouse, the text is selected one full
> > word at a time. I use this _a lot_.  
> 
> It works exactly like that for me in Claws.

Yes, me too, except on quoted text in the message view, which is what we're
discussing here. I explained it in more detail because you said, "I don't
even know what you mean here".
-- 
"Why does God hate me so much? Is it because I don't believe in him?" -
Sidney Morgenbesser
    


From subscript at free.fr  Thu Nov 17 10:24:44 2016
From: subscript at free.fr (wwp)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:24:44 +0100
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
In-Reply-To: <20161117090308.3e748a8d@kujata>
References: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
 <20161116234024.7b7ab613@jjacky.com>
 <20161117084846.32b5ef63@kujata>
 <20161117085345.567e6a77@ws.midnighthax.com>
 <20161117090308.3e748a8d@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161117102444.02640666@anthra>

Hello Paul, all,


On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:03:08 +0000 Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 08:53:45 +0000
> Keith Edmunds <kae at midnighthax.com> wrote: 
> 
> > I can't answer for Olivier, but I do. Depends on the definition of
> > "often", but maybe a couple of times a week.  
> 
> That is surprising.
> 
> > The bigger problem, IMO, is user expectation. Muscle memory "knows"
> > that double clicking on a word selects it,   
> 
> Muscle memory also knows that holding the button down and dragging
> also selects.
> 
> > and double clicking on a
> > word and dragging will select in word sized chunks. That's not the
> > case in Claws.  
> 
> I don't even know what you mean here. Nothing I normally use does
> anything different from Claws Mail here. I can drag a selected
> word from another msg and drop it here.

Yep, but that depends on muscle education. It's all about subjectivity
in a world where several "standards" (or uses) live together.

To me, double, triple, quadruple click does select word, line/phrase,
paragraph/other scope (in word selection, I often stick on what the app
use as word delimiter!). It Claws Mail (and it's GTK+2 behaviour, I
presume), it's: word then line, and it's fine.

Double-clicking a quote introduces a behaviour that obviously conflicts
with selecting. The question is: do we have to train ourself to be used
to that second context behaviour or do we make it less conflicting?

I regularly (not often but still) double click a quote word and
collapse it instead of selecting it, stupid me! Then I remember that I
have to click-hold then select because it's a quote. If I would have to
use this more often, I would train my memory more to the fact that
double-click does collapse and maybe I will succeed. But each time I
face this, a little voice in my head says "couldn't collapsing quotes
be on shift+double-click or another-button [double-]clic or even a
context-menu action?

Please note that I'm only sharing my experience and ideas with you, I
do not know the Truth about it and still I'm w/o real conviction about
what could be better or do we have to change the way it currently works.


Regards,

-- 
wwp
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From jjk at jjacky.com  Thu Nov 17 14:25:00 2016
From: jjk at jjacky.com (Olivier Brunel)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:25:00 +0100
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
In-Reply-To: <20161117084846.32b5ef63@kujata>
References: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
 <20161116234024.7b7ab613@jjacky.com>
 <20161117084846.32b5ef63@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161117142500.343a7b36@jjacky.com>

On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 08:48:46 +0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:40:24 +0100
> Olivier Brunel <jjk at jjacky.com> wrote: 
> 
> > However, I'm afraid it sadly won't fully resolve things as then
> > double-clicking does nothing, i.e. still doesn't select the word.
> > I'm not sure whether this is intended or a bug, though I (too) wish
> > it would.  
> 
> Do you often find yourself needing to copy one word from a message?

Not one word no, but a group/sentence or more, yes. And as Keith
explained, a common way to do so is to double-click on a word, hold the
button down and drag to grow/change the selection word-by-word instead
of char-by-char.

This is quite common and supported in many applications (and even works
in Claws when not inside a quote, except when editing/in the composing
window ofc) and useful; And yes it happens regularly (for me at least).

That's why it would be nice IMHO if one could use another way (i.e.
other than dbl-click) to collapse/expand quotes (e.g. middle click), to
get the usual/expected behavior from double-click (& drag) otherwise,
as now even when disabling the dbl-click to collapse/expand quotes,
dbl-clicks are just ignored, so can't be used for selection purposes.

Cheers,


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 17 14:38:29 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:38:29 +0000
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
In-Reply-To: <20161117142500.343a7b36@jjacky.com>
References: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
 <20161116234024.7b7ab613@jjacky.com>
 <20161117084846.32b5ef63@kujata>
 <20161117142500.343a7b36@jjacky.com>
Message-ID: <20161117133829.1a649802@kujata>

On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:25:00 +0100
Olivier Brunel <jjk at jjacky.com> wrote: 

> as now even when disabling the dbl-click to collapse/expand quotes,
> dbl-clicks are just ignored, so can't be used for selection
> purposes.

That has not been the case since about 9:45 GMT this morning.

with regards

Paul


From kae at midnighthax.com  Thu Nov 17 20:03:45 2016
From: kae at midnighthax.com (Keith Edmunds)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:03:45 +0000
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
In-Reply-To: <20161117133829.1a649802@kujata>
References: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
 <20161116234024.7b7ab613@jjacky.com>
 <20161117084846.32b5ef63@kujata>
 <20161117142500.343a7b36@jjacky.com>
 <20161117133829.1a649802@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161117190345.51316fdb@ws.midnighthax.com>

In your mail dated Thu, 17 Nov 2016 at 13:38:29, you said:

> That has not been the case since about 9:45 GMT this morning.

Thanks Paul, looks good, and thanks for the quick fix.
-- 
"Laughter is the best medicine, though it tends not to work in the case
of impotence" - Jo Brand
    


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 17 20:10:07 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:10:07 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3728] claws-mail 3.14.1 for Windows (64-bit) crashing
 sporadically when opening unread emails
In-Reply-To: <bug-3728-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3728-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3728-595-MwvXp7qi6T@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3728

--- Comment #1 from rmaf at clix.pt ---
I confirm the (apparently) same bug.
For the moment I am back to 3.14.0 (64bit)

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From barry at python.org  Thu Nov 17 21:25:56 2016
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 15:25:56 -0500
Subject: [Users] Debugging the Python plugin on Ubuntu
References: <20161112185418.56981d68@anarchist>
 <20161113012108.5e6da87d@sleipner.datanom.net>
 <20161114163332.01935d28@subdivisions.wooz.org>
 <20161116153004.55f9d3fe@presto.wooz.org>
 <20161116232449.26f59bbf@sleipner.datanom.net>
Message-ID: <20161117152556.73b97985@presto.wooz.org>

On Nov 16, 2016, at 11:24 PM, Michael Rasmussen wrote:

>Should claws-mail's python plugin add this dependency or is it a bug
>somewhere in the Debian packaging system?

I suspect the plugin should add the dependency.  I don't know for sure, but if
there's no inherent shlib dependency evident (i.e. the dependency is only
apparent due to an import statement embedded in a C file's literal string),
then there's no way for automatic packaging tools to determine that.  In any
case, it should be quite easy and can't really hurt to add the dependency
explicitly.

The Debian bug report previously referenced should provide the maintainer with
enough information to figure out the right thing to do.

In the meantime, if you hit the bug, a manual install of the dependency fixes
the problem.

Cheers,
-Barry
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From dave at howorth.org.uk  Thu Nov 17 22:05:48 2016
From: dave at howorth.org.uk (Dave Howorth)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:05:48 +0000
Subject: [Users] double-clicking on displayed text?
In-Reply-To: <20161117090308.3e748a8d@kujata>
References: <20161116221132.7e35de35@acer-suse.lan>
 <20161116234024.7b7ab613@jjacky.com>
 <20161117084846.32b5ef63@kujata>
 <20161117085345.567e6a77@ws.midnighthax.com>
 <20161117090308.3e748a8d@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161117210548.0e218840@acer-suse.lan>

On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:03:08 +0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 08:53:45 +0000
> Keith Edmunds <kae at midnighthax.com> wrote: 
> 
> > I can't answer for Olivier, but I do. Depends on the definition of
> > "often", but maybe a couple of times a week.
> 
> That is surprising.

I use it whenever I have something that must be copied exactly with no
chance of typos - the case that prompted my question was an IBAN
number that I needed to copy into a banking web page.
And my immediate reflex is to double-click, so it's frustrating to
discover that it doesn't work and then have to think about the
workaround.


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 17 22:06:43 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 21:06:43 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3728] claws-mail 3.14.1 for Windows (64-bit) crashing
 sporadically when opening unread emails
In-Reply-To: <bug-3728-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3728-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3728-595-0zjBd72Ojy@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3728

--- Comment #2 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
3.14.0 did not have a 64-bit version, unless you used one of the test builds
which weren't generally available. Please try the 32-bit version of the latest
release, unless you have a specific reason to require a 64-bit version.
Unfortunately, the 64-bit version is a big less stable than I expected.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 17 23:27:58 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 22:27:58 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3728] claws-mail 3.14.1 for Windows (64-bit) crashing
 sporadically when opening unread emails
In-Reply-To: <bug-3728-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3728-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3728-595-57JCSWkYDi@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3728

--- Comment #3 from rmaf at clix.pt ---
Ups! You are right. The crashes were with version 3.14.1 (64 bit). I was a bit
surprised with the choice between 32 and 64 bit, but I assumed it was already
like that in previous versions, and end up the 64 bit version.
I will give a try to the new 32 bit version.

Thank you for your great job.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 17 23:42:16 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 22:42:16 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3728] claws-mail 3.14.1 for Windows (64-bit) crashing
 sporadically when opening unread emails
In-Reply-To: <bug-3728-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3728-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3728-595-P9ZOaSfKc9@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3728

--- Comment #4 from Gerard Seibert <gerard.seibert at gmail.com> ---
(In reply to comment #2)

Andrej, the last version with the updated libraries is far more stable then the
original one. I was wondering, since the problem appears to be between the
'fancy' plugin and the 'cairo' libraries, are the libraries used in the 'fancy'
plugin also using the latest versions available?

In any case, I can live the occasional crashing, although it would be nice to
eliminate it entirely someday if possible.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 19 13:39:48 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:39:48 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3731] New: Explain why 'Move deleted mails to trash
 and expunge immediately' as been removed in 3.14
Message-ID: <bug-3731-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3731

            Bug ID: 3731
           Summary: Explain why 'Move deleted mails to trash and   expunge
                    immediately' as been removed in 3.14
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.14.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Folders/IMAP
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mail at dreieinhalb.net

I didn't set the option 'Move deleted mails to trash and expunge immediately'
in older versions of Claws Mail and liked the behavior. Now it seems that this
option is default and there's no way to disable it. Please explain why it was
removed and if there is a possibility to disable it.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 19 13:49:23 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:49:23 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2948] Move spam-folder setting to account settings
In-Reply-To: <bug-2948-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2948-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2948-595-FsJfT1W2UQ@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2948

--- Comment #1 from Dominik Volkamer <mail at dreieinhalb.net> ---
I will be grateful if this feature will be integrated. It's a strange behavior
to move spam mails from one mailbox to another.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 19 15:29:56 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 14:29:56 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3731] Explain why 'Move deleted mails to trash and
 expunge immediately' as been removed in 3.14
In-Reply-To: <bug-3731-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3731-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3731-595-fWwfVnQ0WA@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3731

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
This is a bug tracker not a discussion forum.
http://www.claws-mail.org/MLs.php

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From mail at dreieinhalb.net  Sat Nov 19 16:20:47 2016
From: mail at dreieinhalb.net (Dominik Volkamer)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:20:47 +0100
Subject: [Users] Please explain why 'Move deleted mails to trash and expunge
 immediately' as been removed in 3.14
Message-ID: <20161119162047.234fd7f2@saturn>

Sorry for using the bug tracker for this request, now again on the right
channel:

I didn't set the option 'Move deleted mails to trash and expunge
immediately' in older versions of Claws Mail and liked the behavior.
Now it seems that this option is default and there's no way to disable
it. Please explain why it was removed and if there is a possibility to
disable it.

Thanks in advance.

--
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 19 19:55:01 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 18:55:01 +0000
Subject: [Users] Please explain why 'Move deleted mails to trash and
 expunge immediately' as been removed in 3.14
In-Reply-To: <20161119162047.234fd7f2@saturn>
References: <20161119162047.234fd7f2@saturn>
Message-ID: <20161119185501.0c1fc66d@kujata>

On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:20:47 +0100
Dominik Volkamer <mail at dreieinhalb.net> wrote: 

> I didn't set the option 'Move deleted mails to trash and expunge
> immediately' in older versions of Claws Mail and liked the behavior.
> Now it seems that this option is default and there's no way to
> disable it. Please explain why it was removed and if there is a
> possibility to disable it.

Here's the commit message:
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commit;h=a451a77a45d751008a663d3b5f08381a38654917

with regards

Paul


From edodd55 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 22:41:49 2016
From: edodd55 at gmail.com (Liz)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 08:41:49 +1100
Subject: [Users] IMPORT from bridged Local channels not importing.
In-Reply-To: <20161115121650.2725c760@babalu>
References: <20161115121102.4ef150cc@babalu> <20161115121650.2725c760@babalu>
Message-ID: <20161120084149.722faf66.edodd55@gmail.com>

On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:16:50 -0200
"Ethy H. Brito" <ethy.brito at inexo.com.br> wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I apologize for the noise.
> 
> This went to the WRONG list.
> 
> Please ignore.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Ethy

Claws-mail is the best mail client for preventing this sort of error.
Filter all the lists into individual folders.
Set the necessary addresses for to and from and reply-to for each list,
then when you want to write to ClawsMailUser you click on the correct
folder, then compose, all settings are now perfect!

Liz


From maumar at datalogica.com  Tue Nov 22 13:37:36 2016
From: maumar at datalogica.com (Maurizio Marini)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:37:36 +0100
Subject: [Users] reply content is missing
Message-ID: <20161122133736.2f6db921.maumar@datalogica.com>

Hello
i have 2 fedora 24 boxes, in one claws works like a charm, in the other one,
when I hit reply the body pane is empty, the quoting is empty
What I configured badly?

best regards
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From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Tue Nov 22 13:44:54 2016
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:44:54 +0100
Subject: [Users] reply content is missing
In-Reply-To: <20161122133736.2f6db921.maumar@datalogica.com>
References: <20161122133736.2f6db921.maumar@datalogica.com>
Message-ID: <20161122134454.6052097d@utnubu>

On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:37:36 +0100, Maurizio Marini wrote:
>when I hit reply the body pane is empty, the quoting is empty What I
>configured badly?

Configuration > Preferences... > Compose > Writing > Relying >
[x] Reply will quote by default

Regards,
Ralf





From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 22 13:45:12 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 12:45:12 +0000
Subject: [Users] reply content is missing
In-Reply-To: <20161122133736.2f6db921.maumar@datalogica.com>
References: <20161122133736.2f6db921.maumar@datalogica.com>
Message-ID: <20161122124512.7582abeb@kujata>

On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:37:36 +0100
Maurizio Marini <maumar at datalogica.com> wrote: 

> i have 2 fedora 24 boxes, in one claws works like a charm, in the
> other one, when I hit reply the body pane is empty, the quoting is
> empty What I configured badly?

Probably nothing is wrong. Does the message which you are replying to
have a text/plain body? Are you selecting anything before hitting
reply? Is this happening for all messages or just some?

with regards

Paul


From rol at witbe.net  Tue Nov 22 14:14:48 2016
From: rol at witbe.net (Paul Rolland (=?UTF-8?B?44Od44O844Or44O744Ot44Op44Oz?=))
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 14:14:48 +0100
Subject: [Users] reply content is missing
In-Reply-To: <20161122134454.6052097d@utnubu>
References: <20161122133736.2f6db921.maumar@datalogica.com>
 <20161122134454.6052097d@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20161122141448.1f6843b3@riri.DEF.witbe.net>

Hello,

On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:44:54 +0100
Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:37:36 +0100, Maurizio Marini wrote:
> >when I hit reply the body pane is empty, the quoting is empty What I
> >configured badly?  
> 
> Configuration > Preferences... > Compose > Writing > Relying >
> [x] Reply will quote by default

And also :
Configuration > Preferences... > Compose > Templates > Reply
should contain:

%X
On %d
%f wrote:

%q

Regards,
Paul
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From cae at eslrahc.com  Tue Nov 22 14:54:59 2016
From: cae at eslrahc.com (Charles A Edwards)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 08:54:59 -0500
Subject: [Users] Flex causes undefined symbol error
Message-ID: <20161122085459.6496976c@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>


With flex-2.6.2 there is no issue when building claws-mail but loading
the vcalendar-plugin gives an undefined symbol error.

** (claws-mail:17428): WARNING **: plugin loading
error: /usr/lib64/claws-mail/plugins/vcalendar.so: undefined symbol:
ical_yywrap


    Charles

-- 
If there is any realistic deterrent to marriage, it's the fact that you
can't afford divorce.
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On SuperSize....http://www.eslrahc.com
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From maumar at datalogica.com  Tue Nov 22 16:29:29 2016
From: maumar at datalogica.com (Maurizio Marini)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 16:29:29 +0100
Subject: [Users] reply content is missing
In-Reply-To: <20161122141448.1f6843b3@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
References: <20161122133736.2f6db921.maumar@datalogica.com>
 <20161122134454.6052097d@utnubu>
 <20161122141448.1f6843b3@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
Message-ID: <20161122162929.1a53dfce.maumar@datalogica.com>

> And also :
> Configuration > Preferences... > Compose > Templates > Reply
> should contain:
> 
> %X
> On %d
> %f wrote:
> 
> %q

Yes, it contains that
Regards
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 22 18:52:02 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 17:52:02 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3732] New: IMAP 'Keep Alive' NOOP commands interrupt
 POP3 login.
Message-ID: <bug-3732-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3732

            Bug ID: 3732
           Summary: IMAP 'Keep Alive' NOOP commands interrupt POP3 login.
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.14.0
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Folders/IMAP
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: claws-mail at fy3.co.uk

Created attachment 1698
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1698&action=edit
claws network log of interrupted logins

Configuration of POP3 and IMAP accounts.

IMAP triggers a 'Keep Alive' NOOP command during POP3 login/negotiation' and
the POP3 login 'times out' and fails.

Log extracts attached.

Other POP3 connections are successful and once connected are never interrupted
no matter how long the duration of message download & deletion. 

The same POP accounts will connect normally at other times.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 22 19:27:36 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:27:36 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3732] IMAP 'Keep Alive' NOOP commands interrupt POP3
	login.
In-Reply-To: <bug-3732-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3732-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3732-595-XqbiC9pCQo@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3732

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
(In reply to comment #0)
> Created attachment 1698 [details]
> claws network log of interrupted logins
> 
> Configuration of POP3 and IMAP accounts.
> 
> IMAP triggers a 'Keep Alive' NOOP command during POP3 login/negotiation' and
> the POP3 login 'times out' and fails.
> 
> Log extracts attached.
> 
> Other POP3 connections are successful and once connected are never
> interrupted no matter how long the duration of message download & deletion. 
> 
> The same POP accounts will connect normally at other times.

IMAP connections run in separate threads with different sockets, no way they
can interrupt another open connection AFAIK.

The network log is a shared resource and messages from different protocols or
sessions may be mixed, but that doesn't mean connections to the servers are
shared.

In fact your log shows a clear example of a POP account which also timeouts
without any other message in between:

,-----
| * Account 'uk-drills-non-delivery': Connecting to POP3 server:
94.76.203.118:110...
| ** Session timed out. You may be able to recover by increasing the timeout
value in Preferences/Other/Miscellaneous.
`-----

So, I think that the POP server was simply having connectivity problems at
wrong moment.

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From maumar at datalogica.com  Tue Nov 22 20:56:20 2016
From: maumar at datalogica.com (Maurizio Marini)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 20:56:20 +0100
Subject: [Users] reply content is missing
In-Reply-To: <20161122134454.6052097d@utnubu>
References: <20161122133736.2f6db921.maumar@datalogica.com>
 <20161122134454.6052097d@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20161122205620.7e12ee6f.maumar@datalogica.com>

> Configuration > Preferences... > Compose > Writing > Relying >
> [x] Reply will quote by default
Solved
Configuration > Accounts...> select account > Edit..> Templates > Reply
"use a model"  checked
but central box was empty

many thanx
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From jerry at seibercom.net  Wed Nov 23 12:16:44 2016
From: jerry at seibercom.net (Jerry)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 06:16:44 -0500
Subject: [Users] Move from folder to folder when read
Message-ID: <20161123061644.00005c86@seibercom.net>

Okay, this is really driving me up a way. I have claws-mail installed
on two different machines. This is version 3.14.1 which includes the
updated "cairo libraries" if that makes any difference.

On machine #1, after I have read the last unread messages and click
"NEXT", the first unread message in the next folder is opened. On
machine #2, nothings happens. I have to manually click inside the next
folder. I have compared the preferences on both machines, and they
appear identical. What am I doing wrong?

-- 
Jerry


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov 23 12:30:03 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:30:03 +0000
Subject: [Users] Move from folder to folder when read
In-Reply-To: <20161123061644.00005c86@seibercom.net>
References: <20161123061644.00005c86@seibercom.net>
Message-ID: <20161123113003.3a218334@kujata>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 06:16:44 -0500
Jerry <jerry at seibercom.net> wrote: 

> On machine #1, after I have read the last unread messages and click
> "NEXT", the first unread message in the next folder is opened. On
> machine #2, nothings happens. I have to manually click inside the
> next folder. I have compared the preferences on both machines, and
> they appear identical. What am I doing wrong?

You're doing nothing wrong. This issue is already fixed in git.

with regards

Paul


From jerry at seibercom.net  Wed Nov 23 13:00:50 2016
From: jerry at seibercom.net (Jerry)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 07:00:50 -0500
Subject: [Users] Move from folder to folder when read
In-Reply-To: <20161123113003.3a218334@kujata>
References: <20161123061644.00005c86@seibercom.net>
 <20161123113003.3a218334@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161123070050.000035ea@seibercom.net>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:30:03 +0000, Paul stated:

>You're doing nothing wrong. This issue is already fixed in git.

Thanks Paul, I am glad to hear that.

Out of pure morbid curiosity, if I am using the same version of
claws-mail on two different machines with the (I think) same
configuration, why does it work differently depending on which machine I
am on?

-- 
Jerry


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov 23 13:08:49 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:08:49 +0000
Subject: [Users] Move from folder to folder when read
In-Reply-To: <20161123070050.000035ea@seibercom.net>
References: <20161123061644.00005c86@seibercom.net>
 <20161123113003.3a218334@kujata>
 <20161123070050.000035ea@seibercom.net>
Message-ID: <20161123120849.11725a80@kujata>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 07:00:50 -0500
Jerry <jerry at seibercom.net> wrote: 

> Out of pure morbid curiosity, if I am using the same version of
> claws-mail on two different machines with the (I think) same
> configuration, why does it work differently depending on which
> machine I am on?

No idea, I'm afraid. I was not able to get that behaviour. But
there are some related options which could affect this. As it is now
fixed in git I cannot reproduce your problem without downgrading, and
I won't be doing that.

with regards

Paul


From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Wed Nov 23 13:39:02 2016
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:39:02 +0000
Subject: [Users] Move from folder to folder when read
In-Reply-To: <20161123120849.11725a80@kujata>
References: <20161123061644.00005c86@seibercom.net>
 <20161123113003.3a218334@kujata>
 <20161123070050.000035ea@seibercom.net>
 <20161123120849.11725a80@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161123123902.00007b5d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:08:49 +0000
Paul wrote:

> As it is now
> fixed in git I cannot reproduce your problem without downgrading, and
> I won't be doing that.

May I ask how long it's likely to be before a point release to fix this
up Paul? I think it would be useful for Windows users in particular,
it's much more difficult to run a git version there.

-- 

Brian Morrison


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov 23 13:42:58 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:42:58 +0000
Subject: [Users] Move from folder to folder when read
In-Reply-To: <20161123123902.00007b5d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <20161123061644.00005c86@seibercom.net>
 <20161123113003.3a218334@kujata>
 <20161123070050.000035ea@seibercom.net>
 <20161123120849.11725a80@kujata>
 <20161123123902.00007b5d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20161123124258.19b5dbc7@kujata>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:39:02 +0000
Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk> wrote: 

> May I ask how long it's likely to be before a point release to fix
> this up Paul? I think it would be useful for Windows users in
> particular, it's much more difficult to run a git version there

Hard to say. There are a couple other related issues to fix first.
The available time is limited. But the next release will be out as
soon as possible.

with regards

Paul


From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Wed Nov 23 15:16:33 2016
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 14:16:33 +0000
Subject: [Users] Move from folder to folder when read
In-Reply-To: <20161123124258.19b5dbc7@kujata>
References: <20161123061644.00005c86@seibercom.net>
 <20161123113003.3a218334@kujata>
 <20161123070050.000035ea@seibercom.net>
 <20161123120849.11725a80@kujata>
 <20161123123902.00007b5d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
 <20161123124258.19b5dbc7@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161123141633.00002d05@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:42:58 +0000
Paul wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:39:02 +0000
> Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk> wrote: 
> 
> > May I ask how long it's likely to be before a point release to fix
> > this up Paul? I think it would be useful for Windows users in
> > particular, it's much more difficult to run a git version there  
> 
> Hard to say. There are a couple other related issues to fix first.
> The available time is limited. But the next release will be out as
> soon as possible.

Fair enough, I can see that commits are gradually accumulating in the
git repo but it's never obvious when all the necessary commits for a
version bump have been made ;-)

-- 

Brian Morrison


From andrej at kacian.sk  Wed Nov 23 18:05:02 2016
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 18:05:02 +0100
Subject: [Users] Move from folder to folder when read
In-Reply-To: <20161123141633.00002d05@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <20161123061644.00005c86@seibercom.net>
 <20161123113003.3a218334@kujata>
 <20161123070050.000035ea@seibercom.net>
 <20161123120849.11725a80@kujata>
 <20161123123902.00007b5d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
 <20161123124258.19b5dbc7@kujata>
 <20161123141633.00002d05@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20161123180502.1b7bc3c6@penny>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 14:16:33 +0000
Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:42:58 +0000
> Paul wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:39:02 +0000
> > Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk> wrote: 
> >   
> > > May I ask how long it's likely to be before a point release to fix
> > > this up Paul? I think it would be useful for Windows users in
> > > particular, it's much more difficult to run a git version there    
> > 
> > Hard to say. There are a couple other related issues to fix first.
> > The available time is limited. But the next release will be out as
> > soon as possible.  
> 
> Fair enough, I can see that commits are gradually accumulating in the
> git repo but it's never obvious when all the necessary commits for a
> version bump have been made ;-)

It's often not obvious to the developers either. We tend to talk
mainly on IRC about what we'd like to add or fix in short-term, before a
release, and if everyone runs out, a release happens - once Paul finds
enough time to do the whole tedious release routine. :)

As for the Windows version - I was going to make a quick 3.14.1-2
release with just the 64-bit GPG issue fixed, but several people
reported strange crashes also in the "good old" 32-bit build, and I
still can't figure out what causes them, nor can I even reproduce them
(which would help tremendously). I felt discouraged to do another
release with these crashes still unfixed.

Also, I've been busy in general in past two weeks, so I had less time
to spare on this than I'd like.

Slightly off-topic:
How is the 64-bit version working for you? If you're really using the
3.14.1-2newcairo test release, do you see any graphical slowdowns when
e.g. selecting (ctrl+a) or unselecting all messages in summaryview?

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From oao at csi.com  Wed Nov 23 18:40:01 2016
From: oao at csi.com (oao at csi.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:40:01 -0800
Subject: [Users] Help
Message-ID: <20161123.174001.007.1@[0.0.0.0]>

This is the third time I ask:

Is there any way --either during installation or after-- to configure Claws-Mail on Windows to store the messages and settings on a custom partition/drive other than the system partition? 

I have not found any option to do so, but I know it is possible.


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov 23 18:57:23 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 17:57:23 +0000
Subject: [Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <20161123.174001.007.1@[0.0.0.0]>
References: <20161123.174001.007.1@[0.0.0.0]>
Message-ID: <20161123175723.432033be@kujata>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:40:01 -0800
oao at csi.com wrote: 

> This is the third time I ask:
> 
> Is there any way --either during installation or after-- to
> configure Claws-Mail on Windows to store the messages and settings
> on a custom partition/drive other than the system partition? 
> 
> I have not found any option to do so, but I know it is possible.

POP account with MH mailbox, or IMAP account?

/File/Add mailbox/MH...

enter the full path in the dialogue.

`claws-mail --alternate-config-dir [dir]`

with regards

Paul


From andrej at kacian.sk  Wed Nov 23 19:02:26 2016
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 19:02:26 +0100
Subject: [Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <20161123.174001.007.1@[0.0.0.0]>
References: <20161123.174001.007.1@[0.0.0.0]>
Message-ID: <20161123190226.6913940f@penny>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:40:01 -0800
oao at csi.com wrote:

> This is the third time I ask:
> 
> Is there any way --either during installation or after-- to configure Claws-Mail on Windows to store the messages and settings on a custom partition/drive other than the system partition? 
> 
> I have not found any option to do so, but I know it is possible.

You were already answered few days ago, with a detailed description:
http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2016-November/017901.html

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Wed Nov 23 19:15:32 2016
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 19:15:32 +0100
Subject: [Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <20161123190226.6913940f@penny>
References: <20161123.174001.007.1@[0.0.0.0]> <20161123190226.6913940f@penny>
Message-ID: <20161123191532.05d46e14@utnubu>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 19:02:26 +0100, Andrej Kacian wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:40:01 -0800 oao at csi.com wrote:
>
>> This is the third time I ask:
>> 
>> Is there any way --either during installation or after-- to
>> configure Claws-Mail on Windows to store the messages and settings
>> on a custom partition/drive other than the system partition? 
>> 
>> I have not found any option to do so, but I know it is possible.  
>
>You were already answered few days ago, with a detailed description:
>http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2016-November/017901.html

This might be the kind of request, where it makes sense to Cc the
OP. Perhaps replies from the mailing list don't come through or are
redirected to some obscure provider's web interface's junk folder.

The complete archive is available at
http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/index.html .

Regards,
Ralf



From 52midnight at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 19:21:47 2016
From: 52midnight at gmail.com (52midnight)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 04:21:47 +1000
Subject: [Users] How to enable HTML viewing.
Message-ID: <20161124042147.12c29954@qbx>


I'm using Claws 3.11.1 in LXDE on Debian 8.2 and am wondering how to
enable external HTML viewing.

I've installed the 'Fancy' plugin, set Preferences to 

1. Render HTML messages as text

2. Render HTML-only messages with plug-in if possible

... but it's when I set the third that trouble arises:

3. Select the HTML part of multi-part/alternative messages

With this I can't see the non-HTML part that in many cases contains
needed info.

I've also set 'xterm -e elinks %s' as the command for external viewing,
but using the 'T' command or the menu option produces no result,
whereas 'L' causes the xterm window to appear briefly and immediately
disappear.

Could someone please enlighten me as the correct incantations and
potions needed here?


From jerry at seibercom.net  Wed Nov 23 19:25:32 2016
From: jerry at seibercom.net (Jerry)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 13:25:32 -0500
Subject: [Users] Move from folder to folder when read
In-Reply-To: <20161123180502.1b7bc3c6@penny>
References: <20161123061644.00005c86@seibercom.net>
 <20161123113003.3a218334@kujata>
 <20161123070050.000035ea@seibercom.net>
 <20161123120849.11725a80@kujata>
 <20161123123902.00007b5d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
 <20161123124258.19b5dbc7@kujata>
 <20161123141633.00002d05@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
 <20161123180502.1b7bc3c6@penny>
Message-ID: <20161123132516.00006270@seibercom.net>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 18:05:02 +0100, Andrej Kacian stated:

>Slightly off-topic:
>How is the 64-bit version working for you? If you're really using the
>3.14.1-2newcairo test release, do you see any graphical slowdowns when
>e.g. selecting (ctrl+a) or unselecting all messages in summaryview?

I am using that version Andrej and I have not noticed any slowdowns. I
thought the problem was basically with Intel video cards. I have an
Nvidia card and everything works fine.

These crashes that you are not able to reproduce might to localized to
a certain BIOS or video card. Perhaps if everyone experiencing the
problem sent you their system specifics, you could isolate it. I would
be perfectly willing to do so if you think it would help.

-- 
Jerry


From oao at csi.com  Wed Nov 23 19:50:29 2016
From: oao at csi.com (oao at csi.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 10:50:29 -0800
Subject: [Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <20161123191532.05d46e14@utnubu>
References: <20161123.174001.007.1@[0.0.0.0]> <20161123190226.6913940f@penny>
 <20161123191532.05d46e14@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20161123.185029.959.2@[0.0.0.0]>

Thanks.

I did not receive that reply.  Since there seems to be no problem with receiving email, I have no idea why.

Regards,
FP

----- Original Message -----
From: Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com>
To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
Cc: oao at csi.com
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 19:15:32 +0100
Subject: Re: [Users] Help

> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 19:02:26 +0100, Andrej Kacian wrote:
> >On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:40:01 -0800 oao at csi.com wrote:
> >
> >> This is the third time I ask:
> >> 
> >> Is there any way --either during installation or after-- to
> >> configure Claws-Mail on Windows to store the messages and settings
> >> on a custom partition/drive other than the system partition? 
> >> 
> >> I have not found any option to do so, but I know it is possible.  
> >
> >You were already answered few days ago, with a detailed description:
> >http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2016-November/017901.html
> 
> This might be the kind of request, where it makes sense to Cc the
> OP. Perhaps replies from the mailing list don't come through or are
> redirected to some obscure provider's web interface's junk folder.
> 
> The complete archive is available at
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/index.html .
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf
> 
> 


From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Wed Nov 23 20:00:16 2016
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:00:16 +0100
Subject: [Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <20161123.185029.959.2@[0.0.0.0]>
References: <20161123.174001.007.1@[0.0.0.0]> <20161123190226.6913940f@penny>
 <20161123191532.05d46e14@utnubu> <20161123.185029.959.2@[0.0.0.0]>
Message-ID: <20161123200016.385c3d29@utnubu>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 10:50:29 -0800, oao at csi.com wrote:
>I did not receive that reply.  Since there seems to be no problem with
>receiving email, I have no idea why.

Log in at the bottom of
http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users to edit
options.

When you're logged in, do you see on top of the site a "bounce score"?

Regards,
Ralf



From kiss37 at comcast.net  Wed Nov 23 20:08:37 2016
From: kiss37 at comcast.net (Alec Kish)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 14:08:37 -0500
Subject: [Users] Data signing failed, Unsupported protocol
Message-ID: <20161123140837.00004085@comcast.net>

Hi,

How do I fix this problem?

Could not queue message for sending:
Signature failed: Data signing failed, Unsupported protocol

I didn't have this problem with the last version...

All of the PGP Plugins are loaded.

-- 

I use and recommend GnuPG.

Here are somethings to think about from the Babylon 5 and Crusade TV
series: Who are YOU? What do YOU want? Why are YOU here?  Where are YOU
going?  Do YOU have anything to live AND die for?  Who do YOU serve?
Who do YOU trust?  Do YOU understand?

EMAIL: kiss37 (at) comcast.net
       Alec_Kish (at) alumni.pitt.edu
       wheelsp200 (at) yahoo.com
       alec.kish (at) gmail.com
       aleck25211 (at) aim.com
       alec (at) iss-cei.com


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov 23 20:19:44 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 19:19:44 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] New: Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
 accounts to POP3
Message-ID: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3733

            Bug ID: 3733
           Summary: Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP accounts
                    to POP3
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.12.0
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: blocker
          Priority: P3
         Component: POP3
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: bogdan at hlevca.com

Created attachment 1699
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1699&action=edit
Shows the IMAP configuration in the main window and POP3 in the accounts
window.

After an update I was unable to connect anymore. The program complained about
POP3 even though I had no POP3 accounts.

The funny thing is that the main window still thinks that the accounts are
IMAP4 while in the accounts window they all show as POP3!! See the attachment.
Very strange.


I tried to change the values of the protocol in accountsrc but did not change
the behaviour.

Is there any way to get my accounts back without deleting them all and
recreating them?

I have the OpenSuse provided binaries, which are still at 3.12 level


Thanks.

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From andrej at kacian.sk  Wed Nov 23 21:03:19 2016
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 21:03:19 +0100
Subject: [Users] Data signing failed, Unsupported protocol
In-Reply-To: <20161123140837.00004085@comcast.net>
References: <20161123140837.00004085@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20161123210319.628c103a@penny>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 14:08:37 -0500
Alec Kish <kiss37 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> How do I fix this problem?
> 
> Could not queue message for sending:
> Signature failed: Data signing failed, Unsupported protocol
> 
> I didn't have this problem with the last version...
> 
> All of the PGP Plugins are loaded.
> 

Hello Alex,

sorry about that, it is a known bug that only happens in the new
64-bit build. Please download the 32-bit build and use that instead for
now.

Future releases will have this fixed.

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov 23 21:27:39 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:27:39 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3734] New: undefined symbol error with flex-2.6.2
Message-ID: <bug-3734-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3734

            Bug ID: 3734
           Summary: undefined symbol error with flex-2.6.2
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: GIT
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Plugins/vCalendar
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: cae at eslrahc.com

When building claws-mail with flex-2.6.2 everything builds normally but
loading the vcalendar-plugin fails because of an undefined symbol error.

** (claws-mail:17428): WARNING **: plugin loading
error: /usr/lib64/claws-mail/plugins/vcalendar.so: undefined symbol:
ical_yywrap

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From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Wed Nov 23 21:52:33 2016
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud OLGIATI (Ron))
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 17:52:33 -0300
Subject: [Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <20161123.174001.007.1@[0.0.0.0]>
References: <20161123.174001.007.1@[0.0.0.0]>
Message-ID: <20161123175233.677758a7@ron.cerrocora.org>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:40:01 -0800
oao at csi.com wrote:

> Is there any way --either during installation or after-- to configure Claws-Mail on Windows to store the messages and settings on a custom partition/drive other than the system partition? 

It is under Linux, but I have at one time managed to do what you want (I think) by replacing the mail folder used by Claws with a link (of the same name) to the folder where I wanted my mail stored.
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
             Asking a working writer what he thinks about critics
             is like asking a lamp-post how it feels about dogs.
                                           -- Christopher Hampton
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov 23 23:41:40 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 22:41:40 +0000
Subject: [Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <20161123.185029.959.2@[0.0.0.0]>
References: <20161123.174001.007.1@[0.0.0.0]> <20161123190226.6913940f@penny>
 <20161123191532.05d46e14@utnubu> <20161123.185029.959.2@[0.0.0.0]>
Message-ID: <20161123224140.2fe056b5@kujata>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 10:50:29 -0800
oao at csi.com wrote: 

> I did not receive that reply.

You had unsubscribed from the list between that message and your
latest message.

with regards

Paul


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov 23 23:47:29 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 22:47:29 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
 accounts to POP3
In-Reply-To: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3733-595-3WRkkbfES8@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3733

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
The problem was caused because you used a newer version  than 3.12.0 and then
downgraded.

Quit claws-mail, open ~/.claws-mail/accountrc and for each of your imap
accounts change

protocol=0

to

protocol=1

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov 23 23:54:04 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 22:54:04 +0000
Subject: [Users] How to enable HTML viewing.
In-Reply-To: <20161124042147.12c29954@qbx>
References: <20161124042147.12c29954@qbx>
Message-ID: <20161123225404.2d1403cb@kujata>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 04:21:47 +1000
52midnight <52midnight at gmail.com> wrote: 

> With this I can't see the non-HTML part that in many cases contains
> needed info.

See the icons to the right of the message, click the top one.

> I've also set 'xterm -e elinks %s' as the command for external
> viewing, but using the 'T' command or the menu option produces no
> result, whereas 'L' causes the xterm window to appear briefly and
> immediately disappear.

'xterm -e elinks %s' for the 'web browser' option works for me. What
are these 'T' and 'L' commands that you talk about?

with regards

Paul


From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Wed Nov 23 23:55:22 2016
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 23:55:22 +0100
Subject: [Users] Help
In-Reply-To: <20161123175233.677758a7@ron.cerrocora.org>
References: <20161123.174001.007.1@[0.0.0.0]>
 <20161123175233.677758a7@ron.cerrocora.org>
Message-ID: <20161123235522.1c7659eb@utnubu>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 17:52:33 -0300, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
>It is under Linux

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:40:01 -0800, the original poster wrote:
>Claws-Mail on Windows

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:06:39 -0800, oao at csi.com wrote off-list:
>When I login I get:
>
>Error
>Users roster authentication failed.

Please, don't reply to me privately, reply to the mailing list.
Most likely you tried to visit the subscribers list.

To login add your email address and then click "Unsubscribe or edit
options" at the bottom of the site.



From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 01:23:24 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 00:23:24 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
 accounts to POP3
In-Reply-To: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3733-595-Q9ekMFWlTE@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3733

Bogdan <bogdan at hlevca.com> changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Bogdan <bogdan at hlevca.com> ---
(In reply to comment #1)
> The problem was caused because you used a newer version  than 3.12.0 and
> then downgraded.
I have never done that, at least not intentionally as the updates are automatic
and there is a very small chance to have happened as you describe 



> Quit claws-mail, open ~/.claws-mail/accountrc and for each of your imap
> accounts change
> 
> protocol=0
> 
> to
> 
> protocol=1

I have done that before you suggested but it did not work. 

However, I have upgraded to 3.14.1, I created a new IMAP account and the
protocol was 3. I changed the protocol numbers for all my accounts to 3 and all
is fine now.

I still can't figure out what happen but thanks for stirring it up, I gave it
one more try and worked.

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From 52midnight at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 03:03:11 2016
From: 52midnight at gmail.com (52midnight)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:03:11 +1000
Subject: [Users] How to enable HTML viewing.
In-Reply-To: <20161123225404.2d1403cb@kujata>
References: <20161124042147.12c29954@qbx>
	<20161123225404.2d1403cb@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161124120311.065b3358@qbx>


> See the icons to the right of the message, click the top one.

Ah, great - solved that one and thanks.

> 'xterm -e elinks %s' for the 'web browser' option works for me.

At present when I click on links in an email, they open in the running
instance of Firefox which is what I want. I just tried the elinks thing
as an experiment, but doesn't seem to have achieved much.

> What are these 'T' and 'L' commands that you talk about?

Menu View > Message part > View as text T
Menu View > Message part > Open L

Thanks for the assistance.

Carl


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 04:47:53 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 03:47:53 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2035] don't download attachments when opening mail for
	reading
In-Reply-To: <bug-2035-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2035-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2035-595-1nStweizrw@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2035

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--- Comment #11 from Andrey Gursky <andrey.gursky at e-mail.ua> ---
(In reply to comment #10)
Hi Pedro,

> on a slow 3G link.
You're lucky. I have 7-8 KB/s and I couldn't read E-Mails with big attachments
at all, thus I had no choice except to fix it by myself (or, well, migrate to
Trojita).

Since Claws Mail didn't port back some old very important for me fixes from
Sylpheed and its more simple code base with fewer dependencies, I had to stick
with Sylpheed and I've implemented a hack (with 2 known issues), which I could
share on [1]. A properly solution seems to be not so easy because of complexity
of BODYSTRUCTURE. But if there are people who are interested in it, perhaps, I
could give it a try, provided Hiroyuki Yamamoto replies, whether he is already
working on this or not [1].

Moreover, fetching flags each time I'd like to check for new mails lasts 25+
seconds (180 KB) or even 60+ seconds for larger folders and it keeps growing.
This is very frustrating, since these flags don't get changed in between
(provided I'm accessing the mail server from the only instance of my mail
client). And how often you'd need to break this rule? I'm about to finish this
patch [2].

On the other hand, Sylpheed is not actively developed anymore...

Regards,
Andrey

[1] Download attachments on demand
    http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/redmine/issues/2
[2] Useless flags refetch of all messages in folder
    http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/redmine/issues/268

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 06:45:21 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 05:45:21 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
 accounts to POP3
In-Reply-To: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3733-595-KwVwk40jhy@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3733

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 06:56:54 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 05:56:54 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2035] don't download attachments when opening mail for
	reading
In-Reply-To: <bug-2035-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2035-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2035-595-NQ7dCEroME@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2035

--- Comment #12 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
(In reply to comment #11)

> Since Claws Mail didn't port back some old very important for me fixes from
> Sylpheed and its more simple code base with fewer dependencies, I had to
> stick with Sylpheed and I've implemented a hack (with 2 known issues), which
> I could share on [1]. A properly solution seems to be not so easy because of
> complexity of BODYSTRUCTURE. But if there are people who are interested in
> it, perhaps, I could give it a try, provided Hiroyuki Yamamoto replies,
> whether he is already working on this or not [1].

Claws Mail has no direct link with sylpheed since we forked about 10 years ago.
AFAIK no-one in the Claws team ever follows what sylpheed is doing since then,
so of course we didn't port your "old" fixes - we weren't even aware of them.

OTOH, if you attach a patch for claws-mail here, then perhaps it will have some
legs.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 08:01:39 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 07:01:39 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2035] don't download attachments when opening mail for
	reading
In-Reply-To: <bug-2035-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2035-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2035-595-EYdsQ9Gdvc@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2035

--- Comment #13 from Andrey Gursky <andrey.gursky at e-mail.ua> ---
Hi Paul,

(In reply to comment #12)
> (In reply to comment #11)
> 
> Claws Mail has no direct link with sylpheed since we forked about 10 years
> ago. AFAIK no-one in the Claws team ever follows what sylpheed is doing
> since then, so of course we didn't port your "old" fixes - we weren't even
> aware of them.

as long as not the whole Claws Mail code is rewritten and still consists of
Sylpheed code, the connection remains in my opinion. These portions of code
have been maintained in Sylpheed but remain as-is (sometimes meaning unfixed)
in Claws Mail.

I already reported, that one bug in Claws Mail (rendering it unusable for me)
doesn't present in Sylpheed:
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2173. Due to
missing response, I haven't reported another one (with the same severity for
me).

> OTOH, if you attach a patch for claws-mail here, then perhaps it will have
> some legs.

Thanks for suggestion. There are many things to fix, that Claws Mail developers
are not interested in, that's why I'm doing it myself (and for now in
Sylpheed). But maintaining the Claws Mail code portions shared with Sylpheed, I
believe, should be their responsibility, since they decided to fork.

I'd be glad to contribute to Claws Mail too, once/if here would be more
maintaining responsibility feeling, responsiveness (and support due to larger
code base and libetpan integration).

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 08:18:59 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 07:18:59 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2035] don't download attachments when opening mail for
	reading
In-Reply-To: <bug-2035-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2035-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2035-595-1dRPlONYBG@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2035

--- Comment #14 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
(In reply to comment #13)
> as long as not the whole Claws Mail code is rewritten and still consists of
> Sylpheed code, the connection remains in my opinion. 

I'm talking about facts, not opinions.

> These portions of code
> have been maintained in Sylpheed but remain as-is (sometimes meaning
> unfixed) in Claws Mail.

What remains 'unfixed', aside from bug #2173, (which is a feature request).

> Thanks for suggestion. There are many things to fix, that Claws Mail
> developers are not interested in,

I am one of those developers and I can't think of any things to fix that Claws
Mail developers are not interested in. Since you know us better than we know
ourselves, perhaps you can provide further information on that.

> I'd be glad to contribute to Claws Mail too, once/if here would be more
> maintaining responsibility feeling, responsiveness (and support due to
> larger code base and libetpan integration).

We can't control how you feel. This project is around 15 years old, so it is
hard to imagine where you get these notions. (Which makes me wonder if you're
just trolling.)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 09:44:19 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 08:44:19 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2035] don't download attachments when opening mail for
	reading
In-Reply-To: <bug-2035-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2035-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2035-595-TWcioJVABE@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2035

--- Comment #15 from Andrey Gursky <andrey.gursky at e-mail.ua> ---
(In reply to comment #14)
> (In reply to comment #13)
> > as long as not the whole Claws Mail code is rewritten and still consists of
> > Sylpheed code, the connection remains in my opinion. 
> 
> I'm talking about facts, not opinions.

The code is a fact. Connection I treat as opinion.

> > These portions of code
> > have been maintained in Sylpheed but remain as-is (sometimes meaning
> > unfixed) in Claws Mail.
> 
> What remains 'unfixed', aside from bug #2173, (which is a feature request).

Unfortunately this is an extremely important feature. Now I recalled the second
issue: html entities are shown not decoded, just like here [1] and perhaps
related to [2].

> > Thanks for suggestion. There are many things to fix, that Claws Mail
> > developers are not interested in,
> 
> I am one of those developers and I can't think of any things to fix that
> Claws Mail developers are not interested in. Since you know us better than
> we know ourselves, perhaps you can provide further information on that.

By "not interested" I mean "to implement themselves" not "that would be nice to
have".

> > I'd be glad to contribute to Claws Mail too, once/if here would be more
> > maintaining responsibility feeling, responsiveness (and support due to
> > larger code base and libetpan integration).
> 
> We can't control how you feel. This project is around 15 years old, so it is
> hard to imagine where you get these notions. (Which makes me wonder if
> you're just trolling.)

15 years could be heavy burden for software.

I've got them from my own experience: no response for both critical issues I
encountered with Claws Mail, which forced me to switch to Sylpheed, where I had
to fix something also but not so much as I'd had in Claws Mail.

And I'm not alone. Bug opened (maybe patch proposed):
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1884
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2001
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2149
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2550
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2969
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3192
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3518
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3601
...
but no substantial response, no status change to more-info, milestone or
help-needed.

debug log requested
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3278
and no reply after it has been collected, supplied and additional comments were
provided.

Such an asynchronous communication, that prevents the bug to be fixed:
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2257
And I suspect, this could be related to the one I've encountered recently:
BODY.PEEK[1.HEADER] returns NIL only with MS Exchange IMAP but works perfectly
with any other IMAP servers I'm using. Any clue?

And here it is a very nice exception from the above samples:
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1953
Though, the issue will not be fixed, but at least there is a technical
explanation, allowing someone to go on with it (but the status remained NEW).

I agree, it is a general problem not unique to Claws Mail. And hope despite of
our different view on the same thing we could continue to communicate polite
enough. What do you think about to propose code stubs for this and other bugs,
since you're the most familiar with the code and could know the best place
something should be implemented in?

[1]
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/149223/how-to-convert-html-entities-to-readable-text
[2] http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3192

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 14:32:40 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 13:32:40 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
 accounts to POP3
In-Reply-To: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3733-595-F9EdeekyT5@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3733

Bogdan <bogdan at hlevca.com> changed:

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--- Comment #3 from Bogdan <bogdan at hlevca.com> ---
That was not nice. My bug report was not invalid. The behaviour was caused by
some combination of changes in software and using sequence.

For example if you had in accountrc a version number that was read at startup
and pop up a warning that an older version of software is used this situation
could have been avoided.

Going silently to change things is a bug and will happen in the future if you
change protocol numbers.

I will change the resolution to what I think it deserves. Please don't let the
author's pride bring the worst of you. This report may be useful for other
future bug reports and fixes. Cheers

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 14:45:40 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 13:45:40 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
 accounts to POP3
In-Reply-To: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3733-595-4FNGSlayxn@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3733

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--- Comment #4 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
i'm not the author, and there's no pride involved

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 14:54:18 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 13:54:18 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
 accounts to POP3
In-Reply-To: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3733-595-CIopghbQkb@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3733

Bogdan <bogdan at hlevca.com> changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Bogdan <bogdan at hlevca.com> ---
well, just words actions tell a different story.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 14:56:48 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 13:56:48 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
 accounts to POP3
In-Reply-To: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3733-595-GFEkqQO9Nn@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 14:58:00 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 13:58:00 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
 accounts to POP3
In-Reply-To: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3733-595-F3kAnD53vp@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3733

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--- Comment #6 from wwp <subscript at free.fr> ---
And BTW, this place is not a democratic place, Bogdan. You are not managing the
bug tracker nor the project itself, Paul and few others constitute the Claws
Mail team and this team decide where the project goes and how bugs are handled
in the tracker.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 15:20:06 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:20:06 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
 accounts to POP3
In-Reply-To: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3733-595-tLJIuEC11x@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3733

--- Comment #7 from Bogdan <bogdan at hlevca.com> ---
look I am not here to haggle. I was trying to help as I appreciate free
software. 

However, I noticed many times this arrogant, "I know better" behaviour for many
OSS maintainers or developers. Remember, the only way to go better is to listen
to your users. We are the helpers not your enemies. If this is not a democratic
place then just close the code and sell the software to us. 

Your comment just reinforced what I said before: not democracy, and if I don't
like it I can go somwhere else. Right? Look at kovid goyal the creator of
calibre. He is a fine example of that. Good sofware but the guy will curse you
if you make suggestions.

OSS is there so that everyone can contribute even if this is with ideas or bug
reports. Not all the ideas are good or reports valid, but this is how it works.

I'll leave it resolved and invalid although I think none is true, but of course
you guys know better.

good luck.

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Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:27:38 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
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In-Reply-To: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3733-595-XedTZZGOeX@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3733

--- Comment #8 from Salvatore De Paolis <iwkse at claws-mail.org> ---
We all appreciate free software and open source, but this doesn't mean it must
reign the caos. Users are free to make suggestions and developers are also free
to valuate them and decide what's is the way to go, according to their
knowledge of the source base (thing that users aren't aware of) and many other
aspects which belongs to developers only. This is sometimes interpreted the
wrong way by some users who too easily mix the concepts of arrogance and
knowledge.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 15:47:45 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:47:45 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
 accounts to POP3
In-Reply-To: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3733-595-8ID0MDNhA0@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3733

--- Comment #9 from Bogdan <bogdan at hlevca.com> ---
Salvatore, if it is all about knowledge why don't you share that with the users
so that they don't make the mistake of reporting the wrong thing next time. Why
is it invalid? I have no clue and nobody bothered to say so!

just marking something invalid is plainly disrespectful. If marked invalid but
associated with a  very small comment about why it is invalid would go a log
way. Anything that makes  sense and the dismissal would not appear as
offensive. It will even save time.

I am a developer too, but if I would commit something without a comment I would
be given some warning by my peers. Modern versioning tools don't even allow it.
Why would be a bug system any different? 

Anyway, this has dragged too long and it is going nowhere. Perhaps you can try
in the future to see the other side of the story, because I have already been
on your side many times and I know the feeling.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 15:54:22 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:54:22 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
 accounts to POP3
In-Reply-To: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3733-595-t7o30fFAcr@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3733

--- Comment #10 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
(In reply to comment #7)
> look I am not here to haggle. I was trying to help as I appreciate free
> software. 
> 
> However, I noticed many times this arrogant, "I know better" behaviour for
> many OSS maintainers or developers. Remember, the only way to go better is
> to listen to your users. We are the helpers not your enemies. If this is not
> a democratic place then just close the code and sell the software to us. 

Did you notice it here? or are you simply prejudicing this project based on
your bad past experiences?

> Your comment just reinforced what I said before: not democracy, and if I
> don't like it I can go somwhere else. Right? Look at kovid goyal the creator
> of calibre. He is a fine example of that. Good sofware but the guy will
> curse you if you make suggestions.

Ah! so it's been bad past experiences :)

BTW, FOSS projects are not democratic because voting and talking neither get
the things done nor fixed. And believe or not this has worked far better than
democracy ;-)

AFAIK nobody has cursed you here (yet), so comparison is out of place, IMHO.

> OSS is there so that everyone can contribute even if this is with ideas or
> bug reports. Not all the ideas are good or reports valid, but this is how it
> works.

Sure, but accepting the opinion of others about your ideas when isn't the same
is also a good policy, specially when you're not willing to contribute to
demonstrate your ideas are feasible and just play ping-pong with bug status.

> I'll leave it resolved and invalid although I think none is true, but of
> course you guys know better.

That's perfectly OK to think that, no problem :)

BTW, this is not a forum, if you want to discuss/ask/whatever, please join the
mailing list: 

http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

> good luck.

Same to you!

best regards,

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From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Thu Nov 24 16:02:14 2016
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:02:14 -0500
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
Message-ID: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>

I just upgraded Fedora from 24 to 25 and discovered my e-mail accounts 
in Claws Mail, all changed from IMAP to POP3 and I am unable to change 
this back. The Auto-Configure button displays "Failed: No service record 
found" and I am otherwise not seeing a pull-down to change this from 
POP3 back to IMAP. It also seems to have wiped out all of the saved 
passwords, since I was repeatedly prompted for it as I was trying to 
send this e-mail using Claws Mail, sending with Claws Mail also failed, 
so I'm using Thunderbird to send this.

The upgrade process also indicated Claws Mail was being "downgraded" and 
it installed 3.13.2-1 and not 3.14 (which is listed in Fedora's package 
database).

I have Fedora installed on three systems and am finishing an upgrade on 
the last one, will be checking the other two in the interim.

What went wrong here?



From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 16:03:07 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:03:07 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
 accounts to POP3
In-Reply-To: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3733-595-8mcnFTXs8M@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3733

--- Comment #11 from Salvatore De Paolis <iwkse at claws-mail.org> ---
I think Paul did so when told you what exactly happened. If this was your fault
or your distribution fault it has little concern.

I expect you to understand that the code have to be maintained, that this
project is open source and we're not paid for that, so it's better to use the
time for better things instead of corner cases which will be reproduced *only*
in a specific condition that in future will be missing. So it's just a waste.
You fixed the problem, this is documented here, if ever someone (I have doubts)
will have the same problem will understand what to do.

o/

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 16:09:22 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:09:22 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
 accounts to POP3
In-Reply-To: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3733-595-6gTjsfYwqJ@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3733

--- Comment #12 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
(In reply to comment #9)
> Salvatore, if it is all about knowledge why don't you share that with the
> users so that they don't make the mistake of reporting the wrong thing next
> time. Why is it invalid? I have no clue and nobody bothered to say so!

Paul explained it in the very first reply of your report. You said you didn't
upgrade, but the version you have has no code to change that.

What do you expect to be fixed?

> just marking something invalid is plainly disrespectful. If marked invalid
> but associated with a  very small comment about why it is invalid would go a
> log way. Anything that makes  sense and the dismissal would not appear as
> offensive. It will even save time.

I'm starting to think you didn't read Paul's comment...

> I am a developer too, but if I would commit something without a comment I
> would be given some warning by my peers. Modern versioning tools don't even
> allow it. Why would be a bug system any different? 

..or that you didn't understand the implications of that comment joined with
your denial of upgrade.

> Anyway, this has dragged too long and it is going nowhere. Perhaps you can
> try in the future to see the other side of the story, because I have already
> been on your side many times and I know the feeling.

Please, stop trying to image what we feel, you don't even approach :)

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From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Thu Nov 24 16:18:27 2016
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 16:18:27 +0100
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
Message-ID: <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:02:14 -0500, edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:
>I just upgraded Fedora from 24 to 25 [snip] 
>
>The upgrade process also indicated Claws Mail was being "downgraded"
>and it installed 3.13.2-1 and not 3.14 (which is listed in Fedora's
>package database).
>[snip]
>What went wrong here?

Assuming your information is correct, than clearly the Fedora upgrade
process, resp. the usage of it went wrong. Beyond doubt something completely
unrelated to claws-mail went wrong. You should contact Fedora support
and describe detailed how you've done the upgrade from one to another
Fedora release.

Regards,
Ralf 



From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Thu Nov 24 16:26:20 2016
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:26:20 -0500
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
Message-ID: <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>

On 11/24/2016 10:18 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:02:14 -0500, edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:
>> I just upgraded Fedora from 24 to 25 [snip]
>>
>> The upgrade process also indicated Claws Mail was being "downgraded"
>> and it installed 3.13.2-1 and not 3.14 (which is listed in Fedora's
>> package database).
>> [snip]
>> What went wrong here?
> Assuming your information is correct, than clearly the Fedora upgrade
> process, resp. the usage of it went wrong. Beyond doubt something completely
> unrelated to claws-mail went wrong. You should contact Fedora support
> and describe detailed how you've done the upgrade from one to another
> Fedora release.
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
>
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

Hello Ralf,

I checked a second computer and discovered the same occured.

I turned off digest-mode and a couple of e-mails came in referencing bug 
3733, same issue. I will try Paul's suggestion in the bug report to see 
if that fixes it. As to why Fedora "downgraded" it, I do not know.



From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Thu Nov 24 16:34:06 2016
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:34:06 -0500
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
Message-ID: <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>

On 11/24/2016 10:26 AM, edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:
> On 11/24/2016 10:18 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:02:14 -0500, edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:
>>> I just upgraded Fedora from 24 to 25 [snip]
>>>
>>> The upgrade process also indicated Claws Mail was being "downgraded"
>>> and it installed 3.13.2-1 and not 3.14 (which is listed in Fedora's
>>> package database).
>>> [snip]
>>> What went wrong here?
>> Assuming your information is correct, than clearly the Fedora upgrade
>> process, resp. the usage of it went wrong. Beyond doubt something 
>> completely
>> unrelated to claws-mail went wrong. You should contact Fedora support
>> and describe detailed how you've done the upgrade from one to another
>> Fedora release.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ralf
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Users mailing list
>> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
>> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
>
> Hello Ralf,
>
> I checked a second computer and discovered the same occured.
>
> I turned off digest-mode and a couple of e-mails came in referencing 
> bug 3733, same issue. I will try Paul's suggestion in the bug report 
> to see if that fixes it. As to why Fedora "downgraded" it, I do not know.

Changing protocol=0 to protocol=1 in accountrc, did not fix this, they 
still come up as POP3 and can't be changed.

Wonderful.



From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 16:36:55 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:36:55 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
 accounts to POP3
In-Reply-To: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3733-595-airbVM2O53@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3733

--- Comment #13 from Bogdan <bogdan at hlevca.com> ---
> Paul explained it in the very first reply of your report. You said you
> didn't upgrade, but the version you have has no code to change that.
> 
> What do you expect to be fixed?

First of all Paul explained how to fix what I had and it wasn't exactly
correct, but true, gave me the idea to go in the right direction.  

It looks like you don't read the comments, because I suggested what can be
done: if claws mail noticed a different accountrc version should at least pop
up a warning or refuse to modify the RC file.  Look above in my comments. I
would have known that there is something happening. However, claws has silently
changed configurations.

> I'm starting to think you didn't read Paul's comment...

I believe that you did not read the thread, I complained only when he changed
it to INVALID when it could be a WONTFIX which does need explanation. 

Obviously, it is not invalid but as you just said it happens in rare occasions.
That's why I changed it to MINOR and WONTFIX, but someone, I don't remember
who, changed it back to BLOCKER and INVALID!  OK I understand that it is your
code, but these actions contradict your comments. That change is plainly not
logical, as you said it is not a blocker but it is an issue, even if a small
one. This is when I brought up the pride issue and when you all guys started to
lecture me about how I can't understand things and how wrong I am. Or course,
what would a user know ...

> your denial of upgrade.

Denial? 

> Please, stop trying to image what we feel, you don't even approach :)

I'll stop completely, this is my last comment because as, mentioned above the
pride syndrome is not helping steering towards a honest, unbiased conversation,
and honestly I did not envision such an escalation.  I was just trying to help,
but it was perceived as a critique and lack of understanding. No need to bash
me I already got it, I can't understand.

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From silver.bullet at zoho.com  Thu Nov 24 16:42:14 2016
From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 16:42:14 +0100
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
Message-ID: <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:34:06 -0500, edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:
>Changing protocol=0 to protocol=1 in accountrc, did not fix this, they 
>still come up as POP3 and can't be changed.
>
>Wonderful.

You need to mention from what version you downgraded to 3.13.2-1 or
upgraded to 3.14. If I shouldn't have missed an email, then you didn't
mention what version you used and what version you installed and run
after that.

Regards,
Ralf



From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Thu Nov 24 16:51:48 2016
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:51:48 -0500
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>
Message-ID: <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>

On 11/24/2016 10:42 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:34:06 -0500, edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:
>> Changing protocol=0 to protocol=1 in accountrc, did not fix this, they
>> still come up as POP3 and can't be changed.
>>
>> Wonderful.
> You need to mention from what version you downgraded to 3.13.2-1 or
> upgraded to 3.14. If I shouldn't have missed an email, then you didn't
> mention what version you used and what version you installed and run
> after that.
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
>
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

The original version under Fedora 24 was 3.13.2, the Fedora upgrade 
process should have upgraded this to 3.14, but it "downgraded" it back 
to 3.13.2. Why it did this, I do not know. I have filed a bug report on 
this over at Red Hat, including a reference to bug 3733 on Claws Mail 
Bugzilla.






From brad at fineby.me.uk  Thu Nov 24 16:56:05 2016
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:56:05 +0000
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
Message-ID: <20161124155605.7efe6657@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:34:06 -0500
edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:

Hello edwardp at linuxmail.org,

>Changing protocol=0 to protocol=1 in accountrc, did not fix this, they 
>still come up as POP3 and can't be changed.

From the bug tracker, it seems you may need to change the protocol to 3,
not 1.

Of course, be sure to make the changes when CM is *not* running.

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From subscript at free.fr  Thu Nov 24 17:03:19 2016
From: subscript at free.fr (wwp)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 17:03:19 +0100
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
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 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
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Message-ID: <20161124170319.5ce54001@anthra>

Hello Edward,


On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:51:48 -0500 edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:

> On 11/24/2016 10:42 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:34:06 -0500, edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:  
> >> Changing protocol=0 to protocol=1 in accountrc, did not fix this, they
> >> still come up as POP3 and can't be changed.
> >>
> >> Wonderful.  
> > You need to mention from what version you downgraded to 3.13.2-1 or
> > upgraded to 3.14. If I shouldn't have missed an email, then you didn't
> > mention what version you used and what version you installed and run
> > after that.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ralf
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Users mailing list
> > Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users  
> 
> The original version under Fedora 24 was 3.13.2, the Fedora upgrade process should have upgraded this to 3.14, but it "downgraded" it back to 3.13.2. Why it did this, I do not know. I have filed a bug report on this over at Red Hat, including a reference to bug 3733 on Claws Mail Bugzilla.

Erm.. something I don't get: if your config files were from 3.13.2-1, and after system upgrade, you were running 3.13.2-1, isn't that the exact same version? Meaning, okay you didn't get the expected 3.14 one, but this shouldn't have broken your config anyway?


Regards,

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From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Thu Nov 24 17:10:31 2016
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 11:10:31 -0500
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161124170319.5ce54001@anthra>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
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 <20161124170319.5ce54001@anthra>
Message-ID: <20161124111031.258dafce@downstairs>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 17:03:19 +0100
wwp <subscript at free.fr> wrote:

> Hello Edward,
> 
> 
> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:51:48 -0500 edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:
> 
> > On 11/24/2016 10:42 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:  
> > > On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:34:06 -0500, edwardp at linuxmail.org
> > > wrote:    
> > >> Changing protocol=0 to protocol=1 in accountrc, did not fix
> > >> this, they still come up as POP3 and can't be changed.
> > >>
> > >> Wonderful.    
> > > You need to mention from what version you downgraded to 3.13.2-1
> > > or upgraded to 3.14. If I shouldn't have missed an email, then
> > > you didn't mention what version you used and what version you
> > > installed and run after that.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ralf
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Users mailing list
> > > Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> > > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users    
> > 
> > The original version under Fedora 24 was 3.13.2, the Fedora upgrade
> > process should have upgraded this to 3.14, but it "downgraded" it
> > back to 3.13.2. Why it did this, I do not know. I have filed a bug
> > report on this over at Red Hat, including a reference to bug 3733
> > on Claws Mail Bugzilla.  
> 
> Erm.. something I don't get: if your config files were from 3.13.2-1,
> and after system upgrade, you were running 3.13.2-1, isn't that the
> exact same version? Meaning, okay you didn't get the expected 3.14
> one, but this shouldn't have broken your config anyway?
> 
> 
> Regards,

Technically, yes. Same version, so nothing should have changed, except
the package has fc25 in the filename rather than fc24. 

The "downgrade" also deleted all of the account passwords, so I had to
add those back in...

Changing the protocol entry to 3, worked. The accounts are now back to
IMAP.




From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Thu Nov 24 17:13:12 2016
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 11:13:12 -0500
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161124111031.258dafce@downstairs>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>
 <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124170319.5ce54001@anthra>
 <20161124111031.258dafce@downstairs>
Message-ID: <20161124111312.23b6179e@downstairs>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 11:10:31 -0500
<edwardp at linuxmail.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 17:03:19 +0100
> wwp <subscript at free.fr> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Edward,
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:51:48 -0500 edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:
> >   
> > > On 11/24/2016 10:42 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:    
> > > > On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:34:06 -0500, edwardp at linuxmail.org
> > > > wrote:      
> > > >> Changing protocol=0 to protocol=1 in accountrc, did not fix
> > > >> this, they still come up as POP3 and can't be changed.
> > > >>
> > > >> Wonderful.      
> > > > You need to mention from what version you downgraded to 3.13.2-1
> > > > or upgraded to 3.14. If I shouldn't have missed an email, then
> > > > you didn't mention what version you used and what version you
> > > > installed and run after that.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Ralf
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Users mailing list
> > > > Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> > > > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users      
> > > 
> > > The original version under Fedora 24 was 3.13.2, the Fedora
> > > upgrade process should have upgraded this to 3.14, but it
> > > "downgraded" it back to 3.13.2. Why it did this, I do not know. I
> > > have filed a bug report on this over at Red Hat, including a
> > > reference to bug 3733 on Claws Mail Bugzilla.    
> > 
> > Erm.. something I don't get: if your config files were from
> > 3.13.2-1, and after system upgrade, you were running 3.13.2-1,
> > isn't that the exact same version? Meaning, okay you didn't get the
> > expected 3.14 one, but this shouldn't have broken your config
> > anyway?
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,  
> 
> Technically, yes. Same version, so nothing should have changed, except
> the package has fc25 in the filename rather than fc24. 
> 
> The "downgrade" also deleted all of the account passwords, so I had to
> add those back in...
> 
> Changing the protocol entry to 3, worked. The accounts are now back to
> IMAP.

There is obviously something wrong with this. The Stop icon at the top
of the screen, also activates (blinks on and off.

When this happens, the Network log shows:

[11:12:34] IMAP4> 25 NOOP 
[11:12:35] IMAP4< 25 OK NOOP completed 
[11:12:35] IMAP4> 24 NOOP 
[11:12:35] IMAP4< 24 OK NOOP completed 
[11:12:35] IMAP4> 25 NOOP 
[11:12:35] IMAP4< 25 OK NOOP completed 
[11:12:35] IMAP4> 23 NOOP 
[11:12:35] IMAP4< 23 OK NOOP completed 
[11:12:36] IMAP4> 24 NOOP 
[11:12:36] IMAP4< 24 OK NOOP completed 


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 17:26:31 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 16:26:31 +0000
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161124155605.7efe6657@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124155605.7efe6657@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20161124162631.4c664fc3@kujata>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:56:05 +0000
Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote: 

> From the bug tracker, it seems you may need to change the protocol
> to 3, not 1.

Yeah, I got the direction wrong on the bug tracker. Sorry. (Why
doesn't bugzilla allow you to edit or delete a comment?)

with regards

Paul


From colin at colino.net  Thu Nov 24 17:42:10 2016
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 17:42:10 +0100
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161124162631.4c664fc3@kujata>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124155605.7efe6657@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20161124162631.4c664fc3@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161124174210.01b7c8ef@colin.i-run.lau>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 16:26:31 +0000, Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk>
wrote:

> Yeah, I got the direction wrong on the bug tracker. Sorry. (Why
> doesn't bugzilla allow you to edit or delete a comment?)

Because it's old :D

-- 
Colin


From avrunin at math.umass.edu  Thu Nov 24 18:20:08 2016
From: avrunin at math.umass.edu (George Avrunin)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:20:08 -0500
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>
 <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>
Message-ID: <20161124122008.39740f96@g.localdomain>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:51:48 -0500, edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:

> The original version under Fedora 24 was 3.13.2, the Fedora upgrade 
> process should have upgraded this to 3.14, but it "downgraded" it back 
> to 3.13.2. Why it did this, I do not know. I have filed a bug report on 
> this over at Red Hat, including a reference to bug 3733 on Claws Mail 
> Bugzilla.

To clarify edwardp's comment, I think what happened is that Fedora 24
came with 3.13.2, and there was an upgrade to 3.14 in late September that
got applied.  For some reason, Fedora 25 has (at the moment) only 3.13.2,
so someone who had upgraded to 3.14 and then moved from Fedora 24 to Fedora
25 got claws-mail downgraded from 3.14 to 3.13.2.  

There were some other problems with updates being pushed to Fedora 24
before the release of 25 that didn't get into 25 (e.g., with rpm-python),
so maybe this is another such problem.  (A claws-mail-3.14.0-1.fc25
package was built on koji.fedoraproject.org on September 22, the same date
as the one for Fedora 24, but it didn't make it into Fedora 25 or, as yet,
into the Fedora 25 updates repo.)  I don't know anything about why it
causes the problem with the protocol setting, though.  (I'm holding off on
going to Fedora 25 for a few days until things like this settle down.)

  George


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From iwkse at claws-mail.org  Thu Nov 24 18:44:56 2016
From: iwkse at claws-mail.org (Salvatore De Paolis)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 18:44:56 +0100
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161124174210.01b7c8ef@colin.i-run.lau>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124155605.7efe6657@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20161124162631.4c664fc3@kujata>
 <20161124174210.01b7c8ef@colin.i-run.lau>
Message-ID: <20161124184456.2d403d58@net24.it>

> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 16:26:31 +0000, Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk>
> wrote:
> 
> > Yeah, I got the direction wrong on the bug tracker. Sorry. (Why
> > doesn't bugzilla allow you to edit or delete a comment?)  
> 
> Because it's old :D
> 

Old almost as internet :) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=540

It seems they refer to some extensions, editcomments, with broken links

-- 
Salvatore


From iwkse at claws-mail.org  Thu Nov 24 18:48:44 2016
From: iwkse at claws-mail.org (Salvatore De Paolis)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 18:48:44 +0100
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161124184456.2d403d58@net24.it>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124155605.7efe6657@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20161124162631.4c664fc3@kujata>
 <20161124174210.01b7c8ef@colin.i-run.lau>
 <20161124184456.2d403d58@net24.it>
Message-ID: <20161124184844.0dc6c420@net24.it>


> It seems they refer to some extensions, editcomments, with broken links

This might works:

https://github.com/mozilla-bteam/bmo/tree/master/extensions/EditComments

-- 
Salvatore


From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Thu Nov 24 20:03:55 2016
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 19:03:55 +0000
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161124122008.39740f96@g.localdomain>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>
 <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124122008.39740f96@g.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20161124190355.0000473f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:20:08 -0500
George Avrunin wrote:

> For some reason, Fedora 25 has (at the moment) only 3.13.2,
> so someone who had upgraded to 3.14 and then moved from Fedora 24 to
> Fedora 25 got claws-mail downgraded from 3.14 to 3.13.2.

Yes, it seems that F25 is a version behind where I would expect it to
be.

Luckily for me I rebuilt the latest git version and updated to that
before I ran Claws on F25. Actually I have still not run Claws yet, I
got hit by the Wayland bug where gnome shell won't start so I will need
to start an Xorg session to unjam things.

-- 

Brian Morrison


From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Thu Nov 24 23:45:36 2016
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 17:45:36 -0500
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161124122008.39740f96@g.localdomain>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>
 <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124122008.39740f96@g.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20161124174536.07c43329@downstairs>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:20:08 -0500
George Avrunin <avrunin at math.umass.edu> wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:51:48 -0500, edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:
> 
> > The original version under Fedora 24 was 3.13.2, the Fedora upgrade 
> > process should have upgraded this to 3.14, but it "downgraded" it
> > back to 3.13.2. Why it did this, I do not know. I have filed a bug
> > report on this over at Red Hat, including a reference to bug 3733
> > on Claws Mail Bugzilla.  
> 
> To clarify edwardp's comment, I think what happened is that Fedora 24
> came with 3.13.2, and there was an upgrade to 3.14 in late September
> that got applied.  For some reason, Fedora 25 has (at the moment)
> only 3.13.2, so someone who had upgraded to 3.14 and then moved from
> Fedora 24 to Fedora 25 got claws-mail downgraded from 3.14 to
> 3.13.2.  
> 
> There were some other problems with updates being pushed to Fedora 24
> before the release of 25 that didn't get into 25 (e.g., with
> rpm-python), so maybe this is another such problem.  (A
> claws-mail-3.14.0-1.fc25 package was built on koji.fedoraproject.org
> on September 22, the same date as the one for Fedora 24, but it
> didn't make it into Fedora 25 or, as yet, into the Fedora 25 updates
> repo.)  I don't know anything about why it causes the problem with
> the protocol setting, though.  (I'm holding off on going to Fedora 25
> for a few days until things like this settle down.)
> 
>   George

My Fedora systems never had Claws 3.14 under Fedora 24, it was always
the prior version (3.13.2). According to the Fedora packages database
page for Claws Mail at

https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/?packages=claws-mail

3.14.0-1, is currently showing as "testing" for both Fedora 23 and 25,
which might explain the "downgrade", but "stable" for Fedora 24.

https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2016-409c469d82 shows
3.14.0-1 for 24 being "stable" since 9 October 2016.



From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Nov 24 23:56:59 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 22:56:59 +0000
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161124174536.07c43329@downstairs>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>
 <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124122008.39740f96@g.localdomain>
 <20161124174536.07c43329@downstairs>
Message-ID: <20161124225659.1f8169e5@kujata>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 17:45:36 -0500
<edwardp at linuxmail.org> wrote: 

> My Fedora systems never had Claws 3.14 under Fedora 24, it was
> always the prior version (3.13.2).

as this change in protocol number first appeared in 3.14.0 and you've
experienced this problem, you must have run 3.14.0 or 3.14.1 and then
downgraded to 3.13.2. If this was not the case you would not have had
the problem.

with regards

Paul


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 25 00:13:13 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 23:13:13 +0000
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161124174536.07c43329@downstairs>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>
 <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124122008.39740f96@g.localdomain>
 <20161124174536.07c43329@downstairs>
Message-ID: <20161124231313.4e414dcf@kujata>

From a message from you on another thread on this mailing list:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 22:37:07 -0400
<edwardp at linuxmail.org> wrote: 

> I just installed Linux (Fedora 24, 64-bit) on a brand new hard
> drive and after the install, Claws updated to 3.14.





From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Fri Nov 25 00:54:05 2016
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 18:54:05 -0500
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161124231313.4e414dcf@kujata>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>
 <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124122008.39740f96@g.localdomain>
 <20161124174536.07c43329@downstairs>
 <20161124231313.4e414dcf@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161124185405.2f06bf2d@downstairs>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 23:13:13 +0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> From a message from you on another thread on this mailing list:
> 
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 22:37:07 -0400
> <edwardp at linuxmail.org> wrote: 
> 
> > I just installed Linux (Fedora 24, 64-bit) on a brand new hard
> > drive and after the install, Claws updated to 3.14.  

Thank you Paul, I stand corrected.

Where 3.14 is in "testing" for Fedora 25 at present, this explains the
"downgrade" that occured in the 24 -> 25 upgrade.

3.14 isn't "stable" for 25 yet, hence the "downgrade" to 3.13.2.

In reality, it probably makes sense NOT to upgrade immediately when a
new release is introduced...



From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 25 09:27:07 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 08:27:07 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
 accounts to POP3
In-Reply-To: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3733-595-TjQrjkfkpA@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3733

--- Comment #14 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
(In reply to comment #3)
> For example if you had in accountrc a version number that was read at
> startup and pop up a warning that an older version of software is used this
> situation could have been avoided.

Just FYI. That was done back in July, see
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=blob;f=src/prefs_migration.c;h=cf8a103da55119cc7a1e5136783fe7c39ec32c68;hb=HEAD

But if you downgrade to an older version than that (which you did)...

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You are receiving this mail because:
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 25 09:41:50 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 08:41:50 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3735] New: The number of accounts may make main window
 very tall
Message-ID: <bug-3735-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3735

            Bug ID: 3735
           Summary: The number of accounts may make main window very tall
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: clawsker
           Version: 1.0.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: minor
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: subscript at free.fr

The accounts list may get very high if the number of accounts is important
(here ~30, screen 1080px high, it nearly outbound). The mainwindow follows this
tabs list, is not resize-able and potentially goes off screen.

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You are receiving this mail because:
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 25 09:42:23 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 08:42:23 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3735] RFE: the number of accounts may make main window
 very tall
In-Reply-To: <bug-3735-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3735-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3735-595-BvS0NJKbP4@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3735

wwp <subscript at free.fr> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Summary|The number of accounts may  |RFE: the number of accounts
                   |make main window very tall  |may make main window very
                   |                            |tall

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 25 09:44:25 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 08:44:25 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3736] New: RFE: warn if clicking Quit and changes have
 been done
Message-ID: <bug-3736-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3736

            Bug ID: 3736
           Summary: RFE: warn if clicking Quit and changes have been done
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: clawsker
           Version: 1.0.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: subscript at free.fr

When he clicks Quit, it would be nice to warn about prefs that got changed that
that won't be saved, if any.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 25 09:45:55 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 08:45:55 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3736] RFE: warn if clicking Quit and changes have been
	done
In-Reply-To: <bug-3736-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3736-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3736-595-B1s2awwLyo@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3736

--- Comment #1 from wwp <subscript at free.fr> ---
(he -> the user)

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From bugs.michael at gmx.net  Fri Nov 25 11:38:13 2016
From: bugs.michael at gmx.net (Michael Schwendt)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 11:38:13 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3733] Claws mail changed protocol for all my IMAP
 accounts to POP3
In-Reply-To: <bug-3733-595-6gTjsfYwqJ@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3733-595-6gTjsfYwqJ@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20161125113813.6588a315@noname>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:09:22 +0000, noreply thewildbeast co uk wrote:

> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3733

Just for the record, this has hit Fedora's distribution upgrade from 24 to
25, too, and may downgrade Claws Mail from 3.14.0 to 3.13.2 for early
adaptors. The newer package had not been released as a zero day update due
to relying on automatically publishing it based on tester karma points in
the Fedora Update System. The corresponding update for the older Fedora 24
had been auto-published much earlier than the update for Fedora 25.

So, here it's been a distributor/packager mistake. That can be avoided in
the future, if making sure that packages for the very latest release of
the distribution always will be ahead of the current dist and older dist
releases. Sure, it would be nice, if that were not a manual task for the
packagers when publishing updates for multiple distribution releases, but
well, due to late release procedure related freeze stages, it has always
been a risk to upgrade/replace an up-to-date current distribution with the
brand-new release of the distribution due to the possibility of downgrading
some software.


From bugs.michael at gmx.net  Fri Nov 25 11:51:17 2016
From: bugs.michael at gmx.net (Michael Schwendt)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 11:51:17 +0100
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161124122008.39740f96@g.localdomain>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>
 <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124122008.39740f96@g.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20161125115117.1ec659e8@noname>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 12:20:08 -0500, George Avrunin wrote:

> To clarify edwardp's comment, I think what happened is that Fedora 24
> came with 3.13.2, and there was an upgrade to 3.14 in late September that
> got applied.  For some reason, Fedora 25 has (at the moment) only 3.13.2,
> so someone who had upgraded to 3.14 and then moved from Fedora 24 to Fedora
> 25 got claws-mail downgraded from 3.14 to 3.13.2.  
>
> There were some other problems with updates being pushed to Fedora 24
> before the release of 25 that didn't get into 25 (e.g., with rpm-python),
> so maybe this is another such problem.  (A claws-mail-3.14.0-1.fc25
> package was built on koji.fedoraproject.org on September 22, the same date
> as the one for Fedora 24, but it didn't make it into Fedora 25 or, as yet,
> into the Fedora 25 updates repo.)  I don't know anything about why it
> causes the problem with the protocol setting, though.  (I'm holding off on
> going to Fedora 25 for a few days until things like this settle down.)
 
Claws Mail 3.14.0 had been released as an update for multiple distribution
releases, including Fedora 25. It's just that the Fedora 25 update has
been stuck in the update-testing repository due to not getting enough
karma points from testers. Unlike the Fedora 24 update, which had entered
the stable updates repo in early October automatically.

So, some users may have come from an up-to-date Fedora 24 when doing the
distribution upgrade to the brand-new Fedora 25. Usually, it's a smart
idea to apply zero day updates and also any pending Test Updates.
Unfortunately, the users, who run into such a corner-case breakage during
a distribution, avoid the updates-testing repo like the plague.


From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Fri Nov 25 13:05:25 2016
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 12:05:25 +0000
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161124185405.2f06bf2d@downstairs>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>
 <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124122008.39740f96@g.localdomain>
 <20161124174536.07c43329@downstairs>
 <20161124231313.4e414dcf@kujata>
 <20161124185405.2f06bf2d@downstairs>
Message-ID: <20161125120525.000023ec@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 18:54:05 -0500
edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:

> In reality, it probably makes sense NOT to upgrade immediately when a
> new release is introduced...

Where's your sense of adventure...?   ;-)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 25 13:31:59 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 12:31:59 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3728] claws-mail 3.14.1 for Windows (64-bit) crashing
 sporadically when opening unread emails
In-Reply-To: <bug-3728-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3728-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3728-595-cjSDfCxG5m@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3728

--- Comment #5 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
I wonder if this crash is the one mentioned as fixed in release notes of
webkitgtk 2.1.4:
"  - Fix a crash in WebKit1 when the WebView is created and destroyed too
fast."

I am currently in working on getting webkitgtk-2.3.5 to work, as that is the
last version before they removed WebKit1 support (which our Fancy plugin uses).
Hopefully I'll be able to get it to build.

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From bugs.michael at gmx.net  Fri Nov 25 13:44:02 2016
From: bugs.michael at gmx.net (Michael Schwendt)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 13:44:02 +0100
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161125120525.000023ec@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>
 <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124122008.39740f96@g.localdomain>
 <20161124174536.07c43329@downstairs>
 <20161124231313.4e414dcf@kujata>
 <20161124185405.2f06bf2d@downstairs>
 <20161125120525.000023ec@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20161125134402.4ecb56db@noname>

On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 12:05:25 +0000, Brian Morrison wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 18:54:05 -0500
> edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:
> 
> > In reality, it probably makes sense NOT to upgrade immediately when a
> > new release is introduced...  
> 
> Where's your sense of adventure...?   ;-)

Some anecdote to tell: There are users, who ignore a new dist release for
months, in hope that any issues get ironed out first. Then they upgrade
without prior evaluation and run into issues. Nobody else has noticed any
such issues, nobody has reported them either. A few months lost for the
affected user and the makers of the dist. Taking an early look at new
releases can be beneficial.

At the Fedora Project, the updates-testing repo is not the bleeding edge.
It's not supposed to carry stuff that breaks installations badly. And for
the occasional bug one may fine (perhaps regression in the upstream release),
in most cases it is not difficult to replace faulty updates again.


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Nov 25 13:54:55 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 12:54:55 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3728] claws-mail 3.14.1 for Windows (64-bit) crashing
 sporadically when opening unread emails
In-Reply-To: <bug-3728-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3728-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3728-595-zcV8VP2499@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3728

--- Comment #6 from Gerard Seibert <gerard.seibert at gmail.com> ---
(In reply to comment #5)

Sounds like a plan. Let me know if you need a BETA tester.

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From jvromans at squirrel.nl  Fri Nov 25 14:45:33 2016
From: jvromans at squirrel.nl (Johan Vromans)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 14:45:33 +0100
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161124185405.2f06bf2d@downstairs>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>
 <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124122008.39740f96@g.localdomain>
 <20161124174536.07c43329@downstairs>
 <20161124231313.4e414dcf@kujata>
 <20161124185405.2f06bf2d@downstairs>
Message-ID: <20161125144533.5f7376df@phoenix.squirrel.nl>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 18:54:05 -0500, <edwardp at linuxmail.org> wrote:

> In reality, it probably makes sense NOT to upgrade immediately when a
> new release is introduced...

Fedora install gives you the opportunity to perform install with updates
applied. For the case that F24 last claws is 3.14, and F25 initial claws
is 3.13 but the update to 3.14 has already been pushed out, this would have
been a life saver.

-- Johan


From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Fri Nov 25 15:11:31 2016
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 14:11:31 +0000
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161125144533.5f7376df@phoenix.squirrel.nl>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>
 <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124122008.39740f96@g.localdomain>
 <20161124174536.07c43329@downstairs>
 <20161124231313.4e414dcf@kujata>
 <20161124185405.2f06bf2d@downstairs>
 <20161125144533.5f7376df@phoenix.squirrel.nl>
Message-ID: <20161125141131.00006a06@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 14:45:33 +0100
Johan Vromans wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 18:54:05 -0500, <edwardp at linuxmail.org> wrote:
> 
> > In reality, it probably makes sense NOT to upgrade immediately when
> > a new release is introduced...  
> 
> Fedora install gives you the opportunity to perform install with
> updates applied. For the case that F24 last claws is 3.14, and F25
> initial claws is 3.13 but the update to 3.14 has already been pushed
> out, this would have been a life saver.

It would have been if 3.14.1 had been pushed to the updates repo, it's
just that this had not happened when F25 was released. I don't know if
it's happened yet either.

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From kiss37 at comcast.net  Fri Nov 25 15:47:01 2016
From: kiss37 at comcast.net (kiss37 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:47:01 -0500
Subject: [Users] Signing error
Message-ID: <20161125094701.00005767@comcast.net>

How do I fix this problem?

Could not queue message for sending:
Signature failed: Data signing failed, Unsupported protocol 


From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Fri Nov 25 17:43:29 2016
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 16:43:29 +0000
Subject: [Users] Signing error
In-Reply-To: <20161125094701.00005767@comcast.net>
References: <20161125094701.00005767@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20161125164329.000064a3@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:47:01 -0500
kiss37 at comcast.net wrote:

> How do I fix this problem?
> 
> Could not queue message for sending:
> Signature failed: Data signing failed, Unsupported protocol 

If you install the 32 bit version of Claws for Win32 it should be OK,
the 64 bit version will be rebuilt with updated libraries but it isn't
yet released.

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From patch.public at gmail.com  Sat Nov 26 08:12:26 2016
From: patch.public at gmail.com (Patch Public)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 17:42:26 +1030
Subject: [Users] Windows save attachment filter action
Message-ID: <95279b59-558e-b40c-7f72-2d80135e3ac5@gmail.com>

Does Claws mail windows port support a filter rule to save an attachment 
to a specified directory?

Sorry if this is a dumb question but I am new to Claws Mail and I 
couldn't tell if I'm on the right path via the Claws mail documentation, 
manually scanning the last 2 years of this lists posts, experimenting 
with a windows Claws mail installation, or my internet searching skills.

The faq message action documentation suggests a filter action menu can 
be added "Save attachments: munpack -C ~ -- %F" where munpack is 
provided by the mpack package in debian. Does that mean I should install 
CygWin first, then this works on windows also?

Btw, what I'm actually trying to do is process incoming faxes 
efficiently. I use a third party fax server to receive faxes. Received 
faxes are emailed to me as a pdf attachment to an automated email. I'm 
looking for an email client to connect via IMAP, copy the pdf attachment 
to a local file server, then move the processed email to an archive / 
IMAP sub directory. Connecting via IMAP ensures the filtering benefits 
all devices I use to connect to my email account. Moving after the pdf 
is saved  should mean duplicate copies of a fax is more likely than 
missing fax on the file server as a failure  mode. Or at least incoming 
fax emails accumulate in my inbox so are obvious.

I tried to achieve this with thunderbird however the I wasn't able to 
work around thunderbirds limitations 
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=3025426

Alternatively, is there a better way to automate saving email 
attachments to a file server?



From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Nov 26 11:13:15 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 10:13:15 +0000
Subject: [Users] Windows save attachment filter action
In-Reply-To: <95279b59-558e-b40c-7f72-2d80135e3ac5@gmail.com>
References: <95279b59-558e-b40c-7f72-2d80135e3ac5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20161126101315.53e19647@kujata>

On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 17:42:26 +1030
Patch Public <patch.public at gmail.com> wrote: 

> The faq message action documentation suggests a filter action menu
> can be added "Save attachments: munpack -C ~ -- %F" where munpack
> is provided by the mpack package in debian. Does that mean I should
> install CygWin first, then this works on windows also?

That part of the FAQ is about the Actions feature, which is separate
and distinct from filtering actions.

> Btw, what I'm actually trying to do is process incoming faxes
> efficiently. I use a third party fax server to receive faxes.
> Received faxes are emailed to me as a pdf attachment to an
> automated email. I'm looking for an email client to connect via
> IMAP, copy the pdf attachment to a local file server, then move the
> processed email to an archive / IMAP sub directory. Connecting via
> IMAP ensures the filtering benefits all devices I use to connect to
> my email account. Moving after the pdf is saved  should mean
> duplicate copies of a fax is more likely than missing fax on the
> file server as a failure  mode. Or at least incoming fax emails
> accumulate in my inbox so are obvious.

You would need to use a the Execute filtering action to pass the
message file to a script. That script would extract the attachment
and save it to the file system. That script could be munpack, or
anything which does the trick.

Then you would use a 2nd filtering action in your rule to move the
message to the Claws Mail folder of your choosing.

with regards

Paul


From pf at pfortin.com  Sat Nov 26 17:30:59 2016
From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:30:59 -0500
Subject: [Users] Windows save attachment filter action
In-Reply-To: <95279b59-558e-b40c-7f72-2d80135e3ac5@gmail.com>
References: <95279b59-558e-b40c-7f72-2d80135e3ac5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20161126113059.277d9578@pfortin.com>

On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 17:42:26 +1030 Patch Public wrote:

>Does Claws mail windows port support a filter rule to save an attachment 
>to a specified directory?
>
>Sorry if this is a dumb question but I am new to Claws Mail and I 
>couldn't tell if I'm on the right path via the Claws mail documentation, 
>manually scanning the last 2 years of this lists posts, experimenting 
>with a windows Claws mail installation, or my internet searching skills.
>
>The faq message action documentation suggests a filter action menu can 
>be added "Save attachments: munpack -C ~ -- %F" where munpack is 
>provided by the mpack package in debian. Does that mean I should install 
>CygWin first, then this works on windows also?
>
>Btw, what I'm actually trying to do is process incoming faxes 
>efficiently. I use a third party fax server to receive faxes. Received 
>faxes are emailed to me as a pdf attachment to an automated email. I'm 
>looking for an email client to connect via IMAP, copy the pdf attachment 
>to a local file server, then move the processed email to an archive / 
>IMAP sub directory. Connecting via IMAP ensures the filtering benefits 
>all devices I use to connect to my email account. Moving after the pdf 
>is saved  should mean duplicate copies of a fax is more likely than 
>missing fax on the file server as a failure  mode. Or at least incoming 
>fax emails accumulate in my inbox so are obvious.
>
>I tried to achieve this with thunderbird however the I wasn't able to 
>work around thunderbirds limitations 
>http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=3025426
>
>Alternatively, is there a better way to automate saving email 
>attachments to a file server?
>
>_______________________________________________
>Users mailing list
>Users at lists.claws-mail.org
>http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
>

Here's my fax_extract script. Hope it still works; haven't used it for a
few years...

This sample filter was for received faxes:
   execute "/home/uesr/bin/fax_extract -d RX %F"

HTH
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 27 13:39:45 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 12:39:45 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3737] New: Evolution-data-server plugin creation
Message-ID: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3737

            Bug ID: 3737
           Summary: Evolution-data-server plugin creation
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: GIT
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: Plugins
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: aauzi at free.fr

Created attachment 1700
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git format-patch 08916bffe4b3d42199b11060a49a812a9a7817f2..HEAD

I'm an enthusiast user of both claws-mail and nextcloud.

In my use case, Evolution Data Server (EDS) and gnome-online-accounts allow
remote CardDAV and CalDAV accesses to the data nextcloud hosts.

It's been some time that I was frustrated to not have this integration in
claws-mail. (especially considering the fact that GData plugin was available ;)

The attached patch, totally inspired by the GData plugin, is my attempt to fill
the gap.

I hope that an equivalent feature will eventually come in an official version.

Until then... Thanks for the neat piece of software you give us :D

A

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 27 14:00:27 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 13:00:27 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3737] Evolution-data-server plugin creation
In-Reply-To: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3737-595-hJB2YjWtoj@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3737

--- Comment #1 from Michael Rasmussen <mir at datanom.net> ---
(In reply to comment #0)
> 
> The attached patch, totally inspired by the GData plugin, is my attempt to
> fill the gap.
> 
Hi André

Applying the patch to latest git fails:
$ git am /tmp/0001-Evolution-data-server-plugin-creation.patch
Applying: Evolution data server plugin creation
fatal: corrupt patch at line 58
Patch failed at 0001 Evolution data server plugin creation

Could you try:
git pull -p before making a new patch?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 27 15:09:29 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:09:29 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3737] Evolution-data-server plugin creation
In-Reply-To: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3737

André Auzi <aauzi at free.fr> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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        is obsolete|                            |

--- Comment #2 from André Auzi <aauzi at free.fr> ---
Created attachment 1701
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1701&action=edit
resend after more checks

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 27 15:11:40 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:11:40 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3737] Evolution-data-server plugin creation
In-Reply-To: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3737-595-EMoSH2xUy7@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3737

--- Comment #3 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
The original patch (attachment.cgi?id=1700) applies cleanly to current HEAD in
master (08916bf) over here, must be something wrong with how you downloaded it
from bugzilla...

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 27 15:17:49 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:17:49 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3737] Evolution-data-server plugin creation
In-Reply-To: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3737-595-x7uZcAzyKX@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3737

--- Comment #4 from Michael Rasmussen <mir at datanom.net> ---
(In reply to comment #3)
> The original patch (attachment.cgi?id=1700) applies cleanly to current HEAD
> in master (08916bf) over here, must be something wrong with how you
> downloaded it from bugzilla...

Offending line: diff --git a/configure.ac b/configure.ac

Do you not use git am to apply patch?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 27 15:22:16 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:22:16 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3737] Evolution-data-server plugin creation
In-Reply-To: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3737-595-Qb2bPS3lu8@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3737

--- Comment #5 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
No, I'm more "oldschool", I just use patch -p1. :)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 27 15:39:36 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 14:39:36 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3737] Evolution-data-server plugin creation
In-Reply-To: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3737-595-9D6bIVhChh@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3737

--- Comment #6 from André Auzi <aauzi at free.fr> ---
(In reply to comment #5)
> No, I'm more "oldschool", I just use patch -p1. :)

lol. 
Just for the record, I have done a git -am on a fresh clone of the current HEAD
of master, it applies cleanly as well.
That's why I've thought that submitting the patch compressed by gzip could
help.

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From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Sun Nov 27 15:46:55 2016
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 09:46:55 -0500
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
Message-ID: <20161127094655.3ad0d93b@downstairs>

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 16:18:27 +0100
Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:02:14 -0500, edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:
> >I just upgraded Fedora from 24 to 25 [snip] 
> >
> >The upgrade process also indicated Claws Mail was being "downgraded"
> >and it installed 3.13.2-1 and not 3.14 (which is listed in Fedora's
> >package database).
> >[snip]
> >What went wrong here?  
> 
> Assuming your information is correct, than clearly the Fedora upgrade
> process, resp. the usage of it went wrong. Beyond doubt something
> completely unrelated to claws-mail went wrong. You should contact
> Fedora support and describe detailed how you've done the upgrade from
> one to another Fedora release.
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf 

Claws Mail on Fedora 25 was updated to 3.14.0-1 last night.

Would the "downgrade" during the 24-to-25 upgrade, have caused any
other issues with other Claws Mail files, aside from accountrc?



From andrej at kacian.sk  Sun Nov 27 16:06:36 2016
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 16:06:36 +0100
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161127094655.3ad0d93b@downstairs>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <20161127094655.3ad0d93b@downstairs>
Message-ID: <20161127160636.622abbef@penny>

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 09:46:55 -0500
<edwardp at linuxmail.org> wrote:

> Would the "downgrade" during the 24-to-25 upgrade, have caused any
> other issues with other Claws Mail files, aside from accountrc?

Yes, the automatic mail checking interval, if you have automatic
checking enabled, will likely be wrong.

Regards,
-- 
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Nov 27 16:13:30 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 15:13:30 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3737] Evolution-data-server plugin creation
In-Reply-To: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3737-595-0EqRpunCfp@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3737

--- Comment #7 from Michael Rasmussen <mir at datanom.net> ---
(In reply to comment #6)
> (In reply to comment #5)
> > No, I'm more "oldschool", I just use patch -p1. :)
> 
> lol. 
> Just for the record, I have done a git -am on a fresh clone of the current
> HEAD of master, it applies cleanly as well.
> That's why I've thought that submitting the patch compressed by gzip could
> help.

Very strange:
$ git status master
On branch master
Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/master'.
nothing to commit, working tree clean

$ git log
commit 08916bffe4b3d42199b11060a49a812a9a7817f2
Author: Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Thu Nov 24 20:13:10 2016 +0100

    Fix more compile warnings for Windows in socket.c.

commit 504dd92adc45548622126faa441b7f8523bdb869
Author: Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Thu Nov 24 20:19:31 2016 +0100

    Removed unused w32_get_uid_equiv() function.

commit 0d330cb779f940d0ccc0848ca64cf8ff0c95d810
Author: Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Thu Nov 24 20:05:02 2016 +0100

    Fix two unused variable warnings in ssl.c for Windows build.

commit 4d7461d72788db31c4c7e43d0911a8e9d6155041
Author: Paul <paul at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Wed Nov 23 14:06:21 2016 +0000

    make go to next/previous sort order aware

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From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Sun Nov 27 17:45:32 2016
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 11:45:32 -0500
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161127160636.622abbef@penny>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <20161127094655.3ad0d93b@downstairs>
 <20161127160636.622abbef@penny>
Message-ID: <20161127114532.14aee6bc@downstairs>

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 16:06:36 +0100
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 09:46:55 -0500
> <edwardp at linuxmail.org> wrote:
> 
> > Would the "downgrade" during the 24-to-25 upgrade, have caused any
> > other issues with other Claws Mail files, aside from accountrc?  
> 
> Yes, the automatic mail checking interval, if you have automatic
> checking enabled, will likely be wrong.
> 
> Regards,

That was one of the first items I noticed when I went through the
Preferences. 

It was set to check every one hour 40 minutes. I changed it to
something more realistic.  :)



From andrej at kacian.sk  Sun Nov 27 17:58:43 2016
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 17:58:43 +0100
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161127114532.14aee6bc@downstairs>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <20161127094655.3ad0d93b@downstairs>
 <20161127160636.622abbef@penny>
 <20161127114532.14aee6bc@downstairs>
Message-ID: <20161127175843.44fc6a55@penny>

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 11:45:32 -0500
<edwardp at linuxmail.org> wrote:

> That was one of the first items I noticed when I went through the
> Preferences. 
> 
> It was set to check every one hour 40 minutes. I changed it to
> something more realistic.  :)

Well, account protocol numbers and this interval are the only two
things touched by this so far.

In the future, when Claws Mail detects that it is being started with
too new configuration (based on config_version line in clawsrc), it
will warn the user. However, older versions of Claws Mail can't do
that, since this was only added from 3.14.0 onwards. Unless someone can
sell me a working time machine for a good price, of course. :)

Regards,
-- 
Andrej


From bugs.michael at gmx.net  Sun Nov 27 23:08:10 2016
From: bugs.michael at gmx.net (Michael Schwendt)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 23:08:10 +0100
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161125141131.00006a06@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>
 <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124122008.39740f96@g.localdomain>
 <20161124174536.07c43329@downstairs>
 <20161124231313.4e414dcf@kujata>
 <20161124185405.2f06bf2d@downstairs>
 <20161125144533.5f7376df@phoenix.squirrel.nl>
 <20161125141131.00006a06@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20161127230810.1f338dec@noname>

On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 14:11:31 +0000, Brian Morrison wrote:

> > Fedora install gives you the opportunity to perform install with
> > updates applied. For the case that F24 last claws is 3.14, and F25
> > initial claws is 3.13 but the update to 3.14 has already been pushed
> > out, this would have been a life saver.  
> 
> It would have been if 3.14.1 had been pushed to the updates repo, it's
> just that this had not happened when F25 was released. I don't know if
> it's happened yet either.

Find 3.14.1 in updates-testing, where it must go first. Fedora users can
speed up the release by giving karma points on Test Updates. Without such
points, package maintainers need to wait at least a week before they can
mark updates as "stable".

The reason that 3.14.0 has been "stuck" in updates-testing is that during
release preparation of F25, it has been forgotten. Nobody has checked for
missing updates that would result in a downgrade when coming from F24 or
older.



From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Sun Nov 27 23:26:52 2016
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 22:26:52 +0000
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161127230810.1f338dec@noname>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>
 <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124122008.39740f96@g.localdomain>
 <20161124174536.07c43329@downstairs>
 <20161124231313.4e414dcf@kujata>
 <20161124185405.2f06bf2d@downstairs>
 <20161125144533.5f7376df@phoenix.squirrel.nl>
 <20161125141131.00006a06@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
 <20161127230810.1f338dec@noname>
Message-ID: <20161127222652.00001356@prost.fenrir.org.uk>

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 23:08:10 +0100
Michael Schwendt <bugs.michael at gmx.net> wrote:

> The reason that 3.14.0 has been "stuck" in updates-testing is that
> during release preparation of F25, it has been forgotten. Nobody has
> checked for missing updates that would result in a downgrade when
> coming from F24 or older.

Since I tend to build from git and not install official CM packages I
can't do the karma thing for CM. From what I have seen the majority of
list members seem to be on the Ubuntu side of things, there are not
many Fedora users here.

-- 

Brian


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 28 08:21:58 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 07:21:58 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3737] Evolution-data-server plugin creation
In-Reply-To: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3737-595-LDDqQZyLie@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3737

--- Comment #8 from André Auzi <aauzi at free.fr> ---
> Very strange:
> $ git status master
> On branch master
> Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/master'.
> nothing to commit, working tree clean
> 
> $ git log
> commit 08916bffe4b3d42199b11060a49a812a9a7817f2
> Author: Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org>

Strange indeed.
To be absolutely sure I double checked the patch with 'git am' this morning...

$ export LANG=
$ uname -a
Linux <...> 4.8.8-300.fc25.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 15 18:10:06 UTC 2016 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
$ git --version
git version 2.9.3
$ rm -fr claws-verif-patch-2/
$ git clone http://git.claws-mail.org/readonly/claws.git claws-verif-patch-2
Cloning into 'claws-verif-patch-2'...
remote: Counting objects: 101630, done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (17987/17987), done.
remote: Total 101630 (delta 87441), reused 96809 (delta 83489)
Receiving objects: 100% (101630/101630), 44.46 MiB | 1.09 MiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (87441/87441), done.
Checking connectivity... done.
$ cd claws-verif-patch-2
$ git am ../claws-verif/0001-Evolution-data-server-plugin-creation.patch
Applying: Evolution data server plugin creation
$ git status
On branch master
Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 1 commit.
  (use "git push" to publish your local commits)
nothing to commit, working tree clean
$ git log -n 4
commit 0cfff5561907dd70972f27497d04d0fac08387b3
Author: Andr<C3><A9> Auzi <aauzi at free.fr>
Date:   Sun Nov 27 12:40:24 2016 +0100

    Evolution data server plugin creation

commit 08916bffe4b3d42199b11060a49a812a9a7817f2
Author: Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Thu Nov 24 20:13:10 2016 +0100

    Fix more compile warnings for Windows in socket.c.

commit 504dd92adc45548622126faa441b7f8523bdb869
Author: Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Thu Nov 24 20:19:31 2016 +0100

    Removed unused w32_get_uid_equiv() function.

commit 0d330cb779f940d0ccc0848ca64cf8ff0c95d810
Author: Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Thu Nov 24 20:05:02 2016 +0100

    Fix two unused variable warnings in ssl.c for Windows build.
$ ./autogen.sh 
<...>
claws-mail 3.14.1git24

Using Address Book : Original stable interface
JPilot             : no
LDAP               : no
gnuTLS             : no
iconv              : yes
compface           : no
IPv6               : yes
enchant            : no
IMAP4              : yes
NNTP               : yes
Crash dialog       : no
LibSM              : yes
DBUS               : yes
NetworkManager     : no
Manual             : no
Generic UMPC code  : no
Config dir         : .claws-mail
Password crypto    : old
Plugins
   Built:
            - acpi_notifier
            - address_keeper
            - archive
            - att_remover
            - attachwarner
            - bogofilter
            - bsfilter
            - clamd
            - fancy
            - fetchinfo
            - edata
            - gdata
            - libravatar
            - mailmbox
            - managesieve
            - newmail
            - notification
                Features:
                    banner
                    command
                    hotkeys
                    lcdproc
                    libnotify
                    libcanberra-gtk
                    popup
                    trayicon
                Disabled due to missing dependencies:
                    unity/messaging-menu
            - pdf_viewer
            - perl
            - python
            - pgpcore
            - pgpmime
            - pgpinline
            - rssyl
            - spamassassin
            - smime
            - spam_report
            - tnef_parse
            - vcalendar
   Disabled:
            - demo

The binary will be installed in /usr/local/bin

Configure finished, type 'make' to build.
$make -k
<...>
$ find . \( -name 'claws-mail' -o -name '*.so' \) -ls
<...>  14489632 Nov 28 07:58 ./src/claws-mail
<...>    127544 Nov 28 07:58
./src/plugins/address_keeper/.libs/address_keeper.so
<...>    915928 Nov 28 08:00 ./src/plugins/rssyl/.libs/rssyl.so
<...>    232728 Nov 28 07:59 ./src/plugins/pdf_viewer/.libs/pdf_viewer.so
<...>    443824 Nov 28 08:00 ./src/plugins/pgpcore/.libs/pgpcore.so
<...>    228152 Nov 28 07:59 ./src/plugins/fancy/.libs/fancy.so
<...>    167736 Nov 28 07:58 ./src/plugins/bogofilter/.libs/bogofilter.so
<...>    215288 Nov 28 08:00 ./src/plugins/spamassassin/.libs/spamassassin.so
<...>    123400 Nov 28 07:58 ./src/plugins/attachwarner/.libs/attachwarner.so
<...>    205848 Nov 28 07:59 ./src/plugins/libravatar/.libs/libravatar.so
<...>     86256 Nov 28 07:58 ./src/plugins/acpi_notifier/.libs/acpi_notifier.so
<...>    114288 Nov 28 07:58 ./src/plugins/att_remover/.libs/att_remover.so
<...>    358584 Nov 28 07:59 ./src/plugins/managesieve/.libs/managesieve.so
<...>    111288 Nov 28 07:59 ./src/plugins/edata/.libs/edata.so
<...>    153056 Nov 28 08:00 ./src/plugins/spam_report/.libs/spamreport.so
<...>    129624 Nov 28 08:00 ./src/plugins/pgpmime/.libs/pgpmime.so
<...>    217336 Nov 28 08:00 ./src/plugins/tnef_parse/.libs/tnef_parse.so
<...>    108352 Nov 28 08:00 ./src/plugins/pgpinline/.libs/pgpinline.so
<...>    585448 Nov 28 07:59 ./src/plugins/python/.libs/python.so
<...>    132288 Nov 28 08:00 ./src/plugins/smime/.libs/smime.so
<...>    813840 Nov 28 07:59 ./src/plugins/notification/.libs/notification.so
<...>    141992 Nov 28 07:59 ./src/plugins/bsfilter/.libs/bsfilter.so
<...>    167888 Nov 28 07:59 ./src/plugins/gdata/.libs/gdata.so
<...>    300208 Nov 28 07:59 ./src/plugins/perl/.libs/perl.so
<...>    261064 Nov 28 07:58 ./src/plugins/archive/.libs/archive.so
<...>   1971320 Nov 28 08:00 ./src/plugins/vcalendar/.libs/vcalendar.so
<...>    618624 Nov 28 07:59 ./src/plugins/mailmbox/.libs/mailmbox.so
<...>     80680 Nov 28 07:59 ./src/plugins/fetchinfo/.libs/fetchinfo.so
<...>    181848 Nov 28 07:59 ./src/plugins/clamd/.libs/clamd.so
<...>     42952 Nov 28 07:59 ./src/plugins/newmail/.libs/newmail.so

Everything looks fine on this side, even with 'git am'.

A

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 28 11:38:01 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 10:38:01 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3737] Evolution-data-server plugin creation
In-Reply-To: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3737-595-m5pZx5j530@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3737

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The attachment is a gz file but has text/plain MIME type, that sounds like
wrong.

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From bugs.michael at gmx.net  Mon Nov 28 11:53:09 2016
From: bugs.michael at gmx.net (Michael Schwendt)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 11:53:09 +0100
Subject: [Users] Fedora 25 upgrade renders Claws Mail unusable
In-Reply-To: <20161127222652.00001356@prost.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <269d0b07-5bae-36e2-a210-19ded9aaa07a@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124161827.065cae46@utnubu>
 <2166e06b-4821-b58e-aae8-56ee0ecf2211@linuxmail.org>
 <d76173fa-4e5b-c2d8-7a12-348ab34f14db@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124164214.7e955662@utnubu>
 <bd553057-481f-9588-fc94-ef7cf6de7a89@linuxmail.org>
 <20161124122008.39740f96@g.localdomain>
 <20161124174536.07c43329@downstairs>
 <20161124231313.4e414dcf@kujata>
 <20161124185405.2f06bf2d@downstairs>
 <20161125144533.5f7376df@phoenix.squirrel.nl>
 <20161125141131.00006a06@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
 <20161127230810.1f338dec@noname>
 <20161127222652.00001356@prost.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20161128115309.460a06af@noname>

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 22:26:52 +0000, Brian Morrison wrote:

> Since I tend to build from git and not install official CM packages I
> can't do the karma thing for CM. From what I have seen the majority of
> list members seem to be on the Ubuntu side of things, there are not
> many Fedora users here.

Still you've commented on a thread about a "Fedora 25 upgrade" (-> subject),
so when I also replied to it, there is no reason not to give some
background to the general public. Not to you specifically. It's just
much harder to avoid using the word "you" when addressing the general
public.


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 28 13:44:58 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 12:44:58 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3737] Evolution-data-server plugin creation
In-Reply-To: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3737-595-6p9x8rVupH@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3737

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 28 13:54:06 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 12:54:06 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3737] Evolution-data-server plugin creation
In-Reply-To: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3737-595-6HIvshxQiC@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3737

--- Comment #10 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
The copyright lines should be

Copyright (C) 2016 André Auzi & the Claws Mail team

because you have used a lot of the existing claws-mail code there.

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From psychonaut at nothingisreal.com  Mon Nov 28 18:04:24 2016
From: psychonaut at nothingisreal.com (Tristan Miller)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 18:04:24 +0100
Subject: [Users] How to set print margins
Message-ID: <20161128180424.17c0c12d.psychonaut@nothingisreal.com>

Dear all,

Can someone tell me how to set the page margins for printing?  I see no
margin settings in the dialogs for File->Page Setup… and File->Print.
I also didn't see anything relevant in any of the
Configuration->Preferences… dialog, though maybe I overlooked something.

If it makes any difference, I have no physical printers; I'm just
"printing" to PDF.

Regards,
Tristan

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 28 18:38:47 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:38:47 +0000
Subject: [Users] How to set print margins
In-Reply-To: <20161128180424.17c0c12d.psychonaut@nothingisreal.com>
References: <20161128180424.17c0c12d.psychonaut@nothingisreal.com>
Message-ID: <20161128173847.11a79fb2@kujata>

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 18:04:24 +0100
Tristan Miller <psychonaut at nothingisreal.com> wrote: 

> Can someone tell me how to set the page margins for printing?  I
> see no margin settings in the dialogs for File->Page Setup… and
> File->Print. I also didn't see anything relevant in any of the
> Configuration->Preferences… dialog, though maybe I overlooked
> something.
> 
> If it makes any difference, I have no physical printers; I'm just
> "printing" to PDF.

The margins are normally set by the printer. To set your own you need
to set up a custom size. Open '/File/Page setup...', select the
'Manage custom sizes' from the 'paper size' combo. Here you can
create a new custom size and you will see settings for margins.

with regards

Paul


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 28 20:13:27 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 19:13:27 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3737] Evolution-data-server plugin creation
In-Reply-To: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3737-595-6uhyxNX5OY@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3737

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Resend after Copyright fix

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 28 20:15:08 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 19:15:08 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3737] Evolution-data-server plugin creation
In-Reply-To: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3737-595-iYwvgW0lze@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3737

--- Comment #12 from André Auzi <aauzi at free.fr> ---
(In reply to comment #10)
> The copyright lines should be
> 
> Copyright (C) 2016 André Auzi & the Claws Mail team
> 
> because you have used a lot of the existing claws-mail code there.

Totally agreed, I should have thought it myself.
Hence the resend...

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From psychonaut at nothingisreal.com  Mon Nov 28 20:30:43 2016
From: psychonaut at nothingisreal.com (Tristan Miller)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 20:30:43 +0100
Subject: [Users] How to set print margins
In-Reply-To: <20161128173847.11a79fb2@kujata>
References: <20161128180424.17c0c12d.psychonaut@nothingisreal.com>
 <20161128173847.11a79fb2@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161128203043.6a4c1708.psychonaut@nothingisreal.com>

Greetings.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:38:47 +0000, Paul
<claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 18:04:24 +0100
> Tristan Miller <psychonaut at nothingisreal.com> wrote: 
> 
> > Can someone tell me how to set the page margins for printing?  I
> > see no margin settings in the dialogs for File->Page Setup… and
> > File->Print. I also didn't see anything relevant in any of the
> > Configuration->Preferences… dialog, though maybe I overlooked
> > something.
> > 
> > If it makes any difference, I have no physical printers; I'm just
> > "printing" to PDF.  
> 
> The margins are normally set by the printer. To set your own you need
> to set up a custom size. Open '/File/Page setup...', select the
> 'Manage custom sizes' from the 'paper size' combo. Here you can
> create a new custom size and you will see settings for margins.

OK, I was able to set a custom size there; thanks.  But since I don't
have a real hardware printer, where is Claws Mail getting the default
A4 margins from?  Is this something from CUPS?

Regards,
Tristan

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 28 21:44:18 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 20:44:18 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3738] New: UI frequently hangs when clicking on a
 folder or a message
Message-ID: <bug-3738-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3738

            Bug ID: 3738
           Summary: UI frequently hangs when clicking on a folder or a
                    message
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.14.1
          Hardware: HP
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: johannes at selfnet.de

The status line reads "Opening folder", "Scanning folder" or "Fetching Message"
and nothing happens for quite a while (50 seconds the last time I counted).

I experience the same behaviour with different accounts (all IMAP). The
frequency is maybe 1 out of 20 to 30 actions.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Nov 28 22:06:18 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:06:18 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3739] New: Editor end-of-line will not go end-of-line
 unless there's a line following
Message-ID: <bug-3739-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3739

            Bug ID: 3739
           Summary: Editor end-of-line will not go end-of-line unless
                    there's a line following
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.14.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Compose Window
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: jvromans at squirrel.nl

In the default editing mode for the compose window, there are two keys that
will move the cursor to the end of the line: [End] and Ctrl-E .

Open a new compose window and clear it completely. Type some characters, e.g.
"abc". Press [Home]. The window looks like "|abc". Press [End] and it shows
"abc|". Press [Home] again and type Ctrl-E. The cursor does not advance to the
end of the line. 

When there are line(s) following, the behaviour of [End] and Ctrl-E is
identical.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 29 00:15:59 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 23:15:59 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3738] UI frequently hangs when clicking on a folder or
 a message
In-Reply-To: <bug-3738-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3738-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3738-595-WogriA912A@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3738

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
What does the network log say during these incidents? (/Tools/Network log)

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From kiss37 at comcast.net  Tue Nov 29 00:42:40 2016
From: kiss37 at comcast.net (kiss37 at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 18:42:40 -0500
Subject: [Users] Signing error (kiss37@comcast.net)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.496.1480155198.3512.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
References: <mailman.496.1480155198.3512.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
Message-ID: <20161128184240.00005b4f@comcast.net>

This is the 32 bit version of Claws for Win32.  And, it doesn't work
anymore.  Why?


On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:13:18 +0100
users-request at lists.claws-mail.org wrote:
If you install the 32 bit version of Claws for Win32 it should be OK,
the 64 bit version will be rebuilt with updated libraries but it isn't
yet released.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 29 07:54:08 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 06:54:08 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3738] UI frequently hangs when clicking on a folder or
 a message
In-Reply-To: <bug-3738-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3738-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3738-595-ClqZRfDNbL@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3738

--- Comment #2 from johannes at selfnet.de ---
It repeatedly shows "IMAP< [FETCH data - 2500 bytes]" (also other numbers < 4k)
and then eventually "MAP< 65 OK Success". May this be some other task that has
to be finished before actually performing the listing or fetching?

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From andrej at kacian.sk  Tue Nov 29 08:42:45 2016
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 08:42:45 +0100
Subject: [Users] Signing error (kiss37@comcast.net)
In-Reply-To: <20161128184240.00005b4f@comcast.net>
References: <mailman.496.1480155198.3512.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
 <20161128184240.00005b4f@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20161129084245.62bd1c88@penny>

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 18:42:40 -0500
kiss37 at comcast.net wrote:

> This is the 32 bit version of Claws for Win32.  And, it doesn't work
> anymore.  Why?

Since you do not provide many useful details about what exactly is
wrong, it is difficult to try to help you. The 32-bit version works
with GPG just fine, as confirmed by several people.

By looking at the "X-Mailer" header in your e-mail, I can see that it
was written using the 64-bit version. So did you really install the
32-bit version, or did you switch back to 64-bit for some reason?

Also, do you have Gpg4win installed? Claws Mail installation itself does
not include the GPG programs and libraries, it merely uses them if it
finds them. Gpg4win is available at <https://www.gpg4win.org>.

Regards,
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From Huey.Burton at gmx.ca  Tue Nov 29 09:20:00 2016
From: Huey.Burton at gmx.ca (Huey.Burton at gmx.ca)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 09:20:00 +0100
Subject: [Users] Courtesy features (UI improvements)
Message-ID: <trinity-55e32132-276b-45f2-97d1-9240fd2a03c5-1480407600170@3capp-mailcom-bs03>

I am a user who really loves Claws Mail but only uses it sporadically, for the reason that whenever I start using it again, after some time I come across some UI features which put me off.

I always wished for the UI to be improved, and in the past I also submitted bug reports.

I am going to ask the devs a favour: the implementation to two simple UI improvements.

The first was requested in two different bug reports (refferring to the same thing):
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3443
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3607

The second, which is even more important, was reported here:
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3606
BTW this issue seems to be found only in HTML messages (someone mentioned that it has to do with attachments).

As a courtesy, could you please implement these improvements? I think it would not take much effort.

I would really, really appreciate.

Thank you

Huey




From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 29 10:16:09 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 09:16:09 +0000
Subject: [Users] Courtesy features (UI improvements)
In-Reply-To: <trinity-55e32132-276b-45f2-97d1-9240fd2a03c5-1480407600170@3capp-mailcom-bs03>
References: <trinity-55e32132-276b-45f2-97d1-9240fd2a03c5-1480407600170@3capp-mailcom-bs03>
Message-ID: <20161129091609.5f2b38c6@kujata>

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 09:20:00 +0100
Huey.Burton at gmx.ca wrote: 

> As a courtesy, could you please implement these improvements? I
> think it would not take much effort.

As a courtesy, could you make this apparently small effort and submit
patches?

with regards

Paul


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 29 10:36:15 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 09:36:15 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3740] New: Templates information dialog can't be
 closed with WM button
Message-ID: <bug-3740-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3740

            Bug ID: 3740
           Summary: Templates information dialog can't be closed with WM
                    button
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: GIT
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: trivial
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mones at users.sourceforge.net

To reproduce:
 • Go to main window's 'Configuration' menu
 • Open 'Templates...'
 • Press 'Information' button, information dialog opens
 • Press window manager decoration's close button (usually the x-shaped one)

Expected result:
 • Information dialog closes

Actual result:
 • Nothing happens

As usually the dialog can be closed with 'Esc' key or its own close button at
the bottom, so this is just a surprising trivial (?) bug :)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 29 10:53:18 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 09:53:18 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3740] Templates information dialog can't be closed
 with WM button
In-Reply-To: <bug-3740-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3740-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3740-595-RIku6R5Qus@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3740

--- Comment #1 from wwp <subscript at free.fr> ---
Can't reproduce it here (CM git running on GNOME 2.28 w/ default WM, CentOS6).
What's your WM?
Do you reproduce it w/ other Information dialogs? (from the actions dialog, or
the quicksearch)

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From vitsen at gmx.com  Tue Nov 29 11:14:06 2016
From: vitsen at gmx.com (.)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:14:06 +0100
Subject: [Users] Courtesy features (UI improvements)
In-Reply-To: <20161129094206.5e30e8ca@kujata>
References: <trinity-5a1fdef0-7938-41ad-abb9-6a9bf77c81c3-1480411954750@msvc-mesg-gmx019>,
 <20161129094206.5e30e8ca@kujata>
Message-ID: <trinity-204daa02-6743-445c-b274-294e2066b59b-1480414446544@3capp-mailcom-bs11>

> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 11:42 AM
> From: Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Users] Courtesy features (UI improvements)
>
> 
> > I am sorry, but I am a simple end user, not a programmer.
> 
> So on what grounds do you think it would not take much effort?
> And isn't claws-mail itself a courtesy?
> 
> I don't expect you to respond to that. And please don't take it too
> much to heart. But it is usually non-programmers who say "this should
> be easy".
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
> 

No offense taken. 
I still hope that somone on the dev team could do the job.

Keep up the excellent work, guys.

Cheers


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 29 12:06:54 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:06:54 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3740] Templates information dialog can't be closed
 with WM button
In-Reply-To: <bug-3740-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3740-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3740-595-D8unom9jzP@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3740

--- Comment #2 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
Debian 8.6 (Jessie) with XFCE 4.10.

And you're right: Actions and Quicksearch information dialogs also have this
problem.

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From claws-mail-users at gorbag.com  Tue Nov 29 13:09:05 2016
From: claws-mail-users at gorbag.com (Steve Evans)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 12:09:05 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3740] Templates information dialog can't be closed
 with WM button
In-Reply-To: <bug-3740-595-D8unom9jzP@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3740-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3740-595-D8unom9jzP@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20161129120905.4d0b4c6b@cylon.local>

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:06:54 +0000
noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote:

> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3740
> 
> --- Comment #2 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
> Debian 8.6 (Jessie) with XFCE 4.10.
> 
> And you're right: Actions and Quicksearch information dialogs also
> have this problem.
> 

It works for me on Gentoo with XFCE 4.12, Claws version 3.13.2.

Steve
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From ricardo at mones.org  Tue Nov 29 13:52:53 2016
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:52:53 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3740] Templates information dialog can't be closed
 with WM button
In-Reply-To: <20161129120905.4d0b4c6b@cylon.local>
References: <bug-3740-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3740-595-D8unom9jzP@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20161129120905.4d0b4c6b@cylon.local>
Message-ID: <20161129125253.GB11433@busgosu.mones.org>

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 12:09:05PM +0000, Steve Evans wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 11:06:54 +0000
> noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote:
> 
> > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3740
> > 
> > --- Comment #2 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
> > Debian 8.6 (Jessie) with XFCE 4.10.
> > 
> > And you're right: Actions and Quicksearch information dialogs also
> > have this problem.
> > 
> 
> It works for me on Gentoo with XFCE 4.12, Claws version 3.13.2.

That's interesting. I'll try tonight with an updated XFCE (Stretch
should have 4.12 IIRC).

Thanks,
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  that's not why we do it.                            Richard Feynman



From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Tue Nov 29 21:19:28 2016
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 20:19:28 +0000
Subject: [Users] Signing error (kiss37@comcast.net)
In-Reply-To: <20161128184240.00005b4f@comcast.net>
References: <mailman.496.1480155198.3512.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
 <20161128184240.00005b4f@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20161129201928.00002049@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 18:42:40 -0500
kiss37 at comcast.net wrote:

> This is the 32 bit version of Claws for Win32.

Your X-Mailer: header says otherwise.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 29 22:03:14 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:03:14 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3741] New: Deleting an account doesn't delete imapcache
Message-ID: <bug-3741-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3741

            Bug ID: 3741
           Summary: Deleting an account doesn't delete imapcache
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: other
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Folders/IMAP
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: nin at suremail.info

I had an account with a rather large imapcache (is it possible to disable it
completely?). Then I deleted the account but the cache stayed around using
couple of gigabytes for no purpose. Please delete the cache when the matching
account gets deleted. thx.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Nov 29 23:25:52 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 22:25:52 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3737] Evolution-data-server plugin creation
In-Reply-To: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3737-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3737-595-3TxJ2HsCVF@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3737

--- Comment #13 from Gour <gour at atmarama.com> ---
> The attached patch, totally inspired by the GData plugin, is my attempt to fill the gap.

Does it mean that your feature would allow to access Evolution's addressbooks &
calendars which can are synced with one's phone(s) via CardDAV & CalDAV server
(I use Baikal)?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov 30 00:26:24 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 23:26:24 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3740] Templates information dialog can't be closed
 with WM button
In-Reply-To: <bug-3740-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3740-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3740-595-Tzw0xzT86B@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3740

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

--- Comment #3 from users at lists.claws-mail.org ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://git.claws-mail.org/

++ ChangeLog    2016-11-29 19:25:03.388246023 +0100
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=51629b9a4999c7a99c5c54967096f1dd70d23bfb
Merge: 898d206 681532e
Author: Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net>
Date:   Tue Nov 29 19:25:02 2016 +0100

    Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws

http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=681532e4c5ece8ee0229a030770979b3e4f81871
Author: Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Tue Nov 29 19:23:14 2016 +0100

    Fix closing of description window using WM controls.

    Closes bug #3740.

--- Comment #4 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
Thanks for the quick fix!

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From doark at mail.com  Mon Nov 28 23:15:19 2016
From: doark at mail.com (David Niklas)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:15:19 -0500
Subject: [Users] how to make ff email wrap at a given length
Message-ID: <20161128171519.013121db@ulgy_thing>

Hello,
I want to make format flowed emails wrap at 80 chars regardless of screen
size.
I have two problems.
1. What option do I set?
2. (harder) What do I do about digests?
For example, this debian digest contains at lest 1 ff message and I'm
uncertain how or if claws mail will be able to distinguish them from a
message that has been purposefully horizontally elongated for the purpose
of preserving the data.

Thanks,
David

Here are the headers from the said debian digest for your viewing
pleasure.

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From: debian-user-digest-request at lists.debian.org
Subject: debian-user-digest Digest V2016 #1081
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X-Mailing-List: <debian-user-digest at lists.debian.org>
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From gilweber at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 30 17:21:52 2016
From: gilweber at bellsouth.net (Gil Weber)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 11:21:52 -0500
Subject: [Users] can't reply to e-mails with padlock icon displayed at bottom
Message-ID: <20161130112152.54c06353@DB1.attlocal.net>

I am trying to correspond with someone sending to me from a military
e-mail address. The e-mails come to me in Claws-Mail digitally
signed and displaying a padlock icon at the bottom of the screen
and a message that says "The signature has not been checked. Click the
icon or hit 'C' to check it."  

I do that and an "OK" appears over the padlock. The message next
to the padlock changes to "Good signature from 'name of the person who
sent message and a number."

So I assumed that OK means I can reply.

However, when I try to reply a box pops up in the middle of the screen
saying "Error S/MIME Cannot Sign: General error (1)"

It does not matter if I remove the military e-mail address and insert
this person's private e-mail address into the address bar. The same
thing happens if I try to reply to these messages.

I am informed that the e-mails are signed with a CAC certificate (I
have no idea what that means).

Is there something in the preferences tab that I need to click to allow
me to reply to these digitally signed e-mails? Am I missing something
obvious?

Thanks!
Gil


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov 30 17:27:00 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 16:27:00 +0000
Subject: [Users] can't reply to e-mails with padlock icon displayed at
 bottom
In-Reply-To: <20161130112152.54c06353@DB1.attlocal.net>
References: <20161130112152.54c06353@DB1.attlocal.net>
Message-ID: <20161130162700.77aa7f57@kujata>

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 11:21:52 -0500
Gil Weber <gilweber at bellsouth.net> wrote: 

> However, when I try to reply a box pops up in the middle of the
> screen saying "Error S/MIME Cannot Sign: General error (1)"

You are trying to sign your message using S/MIME, but you don't have
the necessaries. In the Compose window, go to the /Tools/ menu and
uncheck 'Sign', or, in the same menu, choose a Privacy System which
you can use.

with regards

Paul


From mir at miras.org  Wed Nov 30 17:31:40 2016
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 17:31:40 +0100
Subject: [Users] can't reply to e-mails with padlock icon displayed at
 bottom
In-Reply-To: <20161130162700.77aa7f57@kujata>
References: <20161130112152.54c06353@DB1.attlocal.net>
 <20161130162700.77aa7f57@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161130173140.25a3d8cb@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 16:27:00 +0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> You are trying to sign your message using S/MIME, but you don't have
> the necessaries. In the Compose window, go to the /Tools/ menu and
> uncheck 'Sign', or, in the same menu, choose a Privacy System which
> you can use.
> 
And if you do not have any digital signature what so ever disable the
option of always sign to signed messages.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov 30 17:40:58 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 16:40:58 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3574] Template addressing
In-Reply-To: <bug-3574-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3574-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3574-595-4sZh0Z9Jgj@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3574

--- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
Created attachment 1703
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1703&action=edit
Possible fix

This patch fixes this issue for me, which hit me this morning when trying to
modify a template :)

Checks are removed from all address fields, since they're parsed later when
template is applied. This allows both for local addresses and complex
addresses, always using commas for separation and optionally any number of
spaces for readability.

I understand initial intention of this code was to provide a pre-validated
input before inserting, but the implemented checks are too simplistic and
restrict usage causing more problems than benefits: some invalid addresses are
still allowed and  some valid addresses are not allowed at all, so twice bad
;-)

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From gilweber at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 30 17:45:25 2016
From: gilweber at bellsouth.net (Gil Weber)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 11:45:25 -0500
Subject: [Users] can't reply to e-mails with padlock icon displayed at
 bottom
In-Reply-To: <20161130162700.77aa7f57@kujata>
References: <20161130112152.54c06353@DB1.attlocal.net>
 <20161130162700.77aa7f57@kujata>
Message-ID: <20161130114525.1cf776c0@DB1.attlocal.net>

Paul, thanks for the reply, but I cannot find what you're describing. 

Is "Compose window"  in Configuration>Preferences?

If yes, then I don't see either of what you're suggesting (uncheck
'Sign' or choose a Privacy System).

If "Compose Window" is something else please direct me there. 

Thanks.  :o)
Gil


On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 16:27:00 +0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 11:21:52 -0500
> Gil Weber <gilweber at bellsouth.net> wrote: 
> 
> > However, when I try to reply a box pops up in the middle of the
> > screen saying "Error S/MIME Cannot Sign: General error (1)"  
> 
> You are trying to sign your message using S/MIME, but you don't have
> the necessaries. In the Compose window, go to the /Tools/ menu and
> uncheck 'Sign', or, in the same menu, choose a Privacy System which
> you can use.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users



From mir at miras.org  Wed Nov 30 18:14:04 2016
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:14:04 +0100
Subject: [Users] can't reply to e-mails with padlock icon displayed at
 bottom
In-Reply-To: <20161130114525.1cf776c0@DB1.attlocal.net>
References: <20161130112152.54c06353@DB1.attlocal.net>
 <20161130162700.77aa7f57@kujata>
 <20161130114525.1cf776c0@DB1.attlocal.net>
Message-ID: <20161130181404.4c8a3bab@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 11:45:25 -0500
Gil Weber <gilweber at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Paul, thanks for the reply, but I cannot find what you're describing. 
> 
It is an account setting. See attached screenshot.

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mir <at> datanom <dot> net
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C
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From gilweber at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 30 18:40:03 2016
From: gilweber at bellsouth.net (Gil Weber)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 12:40:03 -0500
Subject: [Users] can't reply to e-mails with padlock icon displayed at
 bottom
In-Reply-To: <20161130181404.4c8a3bab@sleipner.datanom.net>
References: <20161130112152.54c06353@DB1.attlocal.net>
 <20161130162700.77aa7f57@kujata>
 <20161130114525.1cf776c0@DB1.attlocal.net>
 <20161130181404.4c8a3bab@sleipner.datanom.net>
Message-ID: <20161130124003.6edbee3f@DB1.attlocal.net>

Let's see if this works. Thanks, Michael and Paul.
Gil


On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:14:04 +0100
Michael Rasmussen <mir at miras.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 11:45:25 -0500
> Gil Weber <gilweber at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> > Paul, thanks for the reply, but I cannot find what you're
> > describing. 
> It is an account setting. See attached screenshot.
> 



From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov 30 18:49:56 2016
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 17:49:56 +0000
Subject: [Users] can't reply to e-mails with padlock icon displayed at
 bottom
In-Reply-To: <20161130114525.1cf776c0@DB1.attlocal.net>
References: <20161130112152.54c06353@DB1.attlocal.net>
 <20161130162700.77aa7f57@kujata>
 <20161130114525.1cf776c0@DB1.attlocal.net>
Message-ID: <20161130174906.53f8baf9@kujata>

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 11:45:25 -0500
Gil Weber <gilweber at bellsouth.net> wrote: 

> Paul, thanks for the reply, but I cannot find what you're
> describing.

That's because when I said 'Tools' I meant 'Options'.

with regards

Paul


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Nov 30 20:05:38 2016
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 19:05:38 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3574] Template addressing
In-Reply-To: <bug-3574-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3574-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3574-595-F30ZIieTTV@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3574

--- Comment #2 from wwp <subscript at free.fr> ---
So far so good, no regression w/ the patch applied here against latest git
version. Even tried few naive tests and no problem. Not a guarantee anyway!

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