From claws-mail at fy3.co.uk Fri Jan 1 00:20:12 2016 From: claws-mail at fy3.co.uk (Chris Hirst (claws)) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 23:20:12 +0000 Subject: [Users] Including filter/processing rules Message-ID: <20151231232012.29be1a48@chris-HP> Hi, Is it at all possible to include additional filtering or processing rules into matcherrc using includes of one kind or another? My reason for asking is that I have several 'honeypot' and 'catchall' mailboxes that I use for sollecting spam, which I use Claws filters to put them into a separate local mailbox which is then parsed by some Python scripts to extract various headers etc and create SpamAssassin filter rule files which are then uploaded as global rulesets to the four mail servers I look after. Part of this process also creates an updated set of filter rules for Claws which I then have to copy and paste into matcherrc, it would be handy to cut out the 'copy and paste' bit and have a additional file for these 'rules' that was imported or included on the next claws start up. Alternatively would it be possible to write a python script that hooked into the filter creation system, but I can't see anything in the documentation or in 'clawsker' about a method of importing or adding rules. Thanks Chris Hirst. From linxt at comcast.net Fri Jan 1 01:28:08 2016 From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:28:08 -0800 Subject: [Users] claws-mail files question In-Reply-To: <20151231100625.0fb6ad12@TOM-DESKTOP-1.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> References: <20151231100625.0fb6ad12@TOM-DESKTOP-1.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20151231162808.5d9a22b4@TOM-DESKTOP-1.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 10:06:25 -0800 Thomas Taylor wrote: > I have upgraded my operating system to a new version of Linux. This was > a fresh install so I don't have my addressbook, filtering, and > preferences. > > Can the folders/files be copied from a backup copy of the > original claws-mail folder to the new installation without a problem? > Would any special procedure need to be followed? > > The new version is 3.12 and the original was 3.10.1. > > Thanks, Tom > Thanks for all the replies. Copied everything in /.claws-mail and it works fine. Tom -- When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. - Anonymous ^^ --... ...-- / -.- --. --... -.-. ..-. -.-. ^^^^ Tom Taylor KG7CFC openSUSE 42.1 (64-bit), Kernel 4.1.12-1-default, KDE 4.14.10, AMD A8-7600, GeForce GTX 740 T/PCIe/ 16GB RAM -- 3x1.5TB sata2 -- 128GB-SSD FF 42.0, claws-mail 3.12 registered linux user 263467 From ricardo at mones.org Fri Jan 1 03:24:50 2016 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 03:24:50 +0100 Subject: [Users] Including filter/processing rules In-Reply-To: <20151231232012.29be1a48@chris-HP> References: <20151231232012.29be1a48@chris-HP> Message-ID: <20160101032450.27f53d24@busgosu> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 23:20:12 +0000 "Chris Hirst (claws)" wrote: > Alternatively would it be possible to write a python script that hooked > into the filter creation system, but I can't see anything in the > documentation or in 'clawsker' about a method of importing or adding rules. Not in python, but the perl plugin allows this, from plugins page¹ description: | This plugin is intended to extend the filtering possibilities o | Claws Mail. It provides a Perl interface to Claws Mail's filtering | mechanism, allowing the use of full Perl power in email filters. IIRC it has even a script to migrate existing rules to perl. HTH, ¹ http://www.claws-mail.org/plugins.php -- Ricardo Mones ~ You have the capacity to learn from mistakes. You'll learn a lot today. /usr/games/fortune -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 03:24:50 +0100 Ricardo Mones wrote: > On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 23:20:12 +0000 > "Chris Hirst (claws)" wrote: > > > Alternatively would it be possible to write a python script that > > hooked into the filter creation system, but I can't see anything in > > the documentation or in 'clawsker' about a method of importing or > > adding rules. > > Not in python, but the perl plugin allows this, from plugins page¹ > description: > > | This plugin is intended to extend the filtering possibilities o > | Claws Mail. It provides a Perl interface to Claws Mail's filtering > | mechanism, allowing the use of full Perl power in email filters. > > IIRC it has even a script to migrate existing rules to perl. > > HTH, > > ¹ http://www.claws-mail.org/plugins.php ~~~~~~~~~ So long, and thanks for all the fish. From ga at anadoxin.org Sat Jan 2 09:59:25 2016 From: ga at anadoxin.org (Grzegorz Antoniak) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 09:59:25 +0100 Subject: [Users] Search for emails according to Address Book's "Display Name" field Message-ID: <20160102095925.5b5af00a@succubus.hq> Hello, Let's say I'll receive an e-mail from address abc at mail.com. The sender of this e-mail didn't fill out the "From" field at all, so all I'm getting is that I got this e-mail from "abc at mail.com" user. I know this guy's name is John Smith, so I create a new contact name for this e-mail address, and I name this contact "John Smith". I have enabled the option "Display sender according to address book", so everything is fine: I see "John Doe" as a sender. But when I try to search for e-mails sent by "John Doe", nothing is found. I have to search using the "abc at mail.com" e-mail address, then it is found. Is this a bug, or a feature (design choice)? Is there any option to be able to search for e-mails according to address book contents? -- Regards, Grzegorz Antoniak From brad at fineby.me.uk Sat Jan 2 10:33:49 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 09:33:49 +0000 Subject: [Users] Search for emails according to Address Book's "Display Name" field In-Reply-To: <20160102095925.5b5af00a@succubus.hq> References: <20160102095925.5b5af00a@succubus.hq> Message-ID: <20160102093349.41df3e68@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 09:59:25 +0100 Grzegorz Antoniak wrote: Hello Grzegorz, >Is this a bug, or a feature (design choice)? Why should a search for "John Doe" find "John Smith"? -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" No you can't hop into my shower Leave Me Alone (I'm Lonely) - P!nk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ga at anadoxin.org Sat Jan 2 10:43:47 2016 From: ga at anadoxin.org (Grzegorz Antoniak) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 10:43:47 +0100 Subject: [Users] Search for emails according to Address Book's "Display Name" field In-Reply-To: <20160102093349.41df3e68@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <20160102095925.5b5af00a@succubus.hq> <20160102093349.41df3e68@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: <20160102104347.09748289@succubus.hq> On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 09:33:49 +0000 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 09:59:25 +0100 > Grzegorz Antoniak wrote: > > Hello Grzegorz, > > >Is this a bug, or a feature (design choice)? > > Why should a search for "John Doe" find "John Smith"? I'm sorry, I've confused "Doe" with "Smith"! Please replace all "Doe" from my previous email with "Smith"! So, it should go like this: I create a contact "John Smith", and I try to find emails from "John Smith", but nothing is found. But when I'm searching for "abc at mail.com", all emails from this email address are found. So I'm wondering why I can't search by using "John Smith"? Again, I'm sorry for introducing confusion. -- G. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 2 11:26:01 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 10:26:01 +0000 Subject: [Users] Search for emails according to Address Book's "Display Name" field In-Reply-To: <20160102104347.09748289@succubus.hq> References: <20160102095925.5b5af00a@succubus.hq> <20160102093349.41df3e68@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160102104347.09748289@succubus.hq> Message-ID: <20160102102601.7b065bfb@kujata> On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 10:43:47 +0100 Grzegorz Antoniak wrote: > So I'm wondering why I can't search by using "John Smith"? Because the search feature searches message content (headers, bodies). with regards Paul From brad at fineby.me.uk Sat Jan 2 11:32:27 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 10:32:27 +0000 Subject: [Users] Search for emails according to Address Book's "Display Name" field In-Reply-To: <20160102104304.228bd1e9@anthra> References: <20160102095925.5b5af00a@succubus.hq> <20160102093349.41df3e68@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160102104304.228bd1e9@anthra> Message-ID: <20160102103227.68d6ece3@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 10:43:04 +0100 wwp wrote: Hello wwp, >Probably because "John Doe" exists in the AB with the same address and >it matches first. Maybe. Re-reading the OP, there seem to be things going on I don't fully understand. 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URL: From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Sun Jan 3 09:33:56 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 09:33:56 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160102220035.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.fa8e8fc173.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> References: <20160102220035.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.fa8e8fc173.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20160103093356.64f67e60@archlinux.localdomain> On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 22:00:35 -0700, work at mykot.com wrote: >I hope this is the right place to ask a question or two. If not, if >you could please tell me where I could ask for help? Hi, this is the right place. Please always mention what version of Claws you're using, the menu Help > About should show you. Also mention what kind of accounts you're using, POP or IMAP. Next time don't send a HTML formatted email to the mailing list, just send plain text. I don't know Workspace Webmail 5.16.0, but those web mailer interfaces usually provide an option to switch to plain text. > I am moving from windows to linux. I need to know how to transfer > my current clawsmail data and all settings into the linux > installation? I can't help you with windows, but somebody else most likely could. > Secondly, is it possible to change the pointers in the program to > look at a different location of the data files? Even if it shouldn't be able to do this, you could use links. I'm sharing claws' preferences and POP accounts among two Linux installs on the same machine. [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl /mnt/moonstudio/home/weremouse/|grep mnt lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse users 43 Oct 6 22:57 .bogofilter -> /mnt/archlinux/home/rocketmouse/.bogofilter lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse users 43 Oct 6 22:57 .claws-mail -> /mnt/archlinux/home/rocketmouse/.claws-mail lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse users 42 Oct 6 22:57 Claws Mail -> /mnt/archlinux/home/rocketmouse/Claws Mail > The computer is set up as a dual boot. Ultimately I would like to > have both windows and linux look into a common partition and folder. > Is it possible to have either update the same data so nothing is > missed whether downloading from linux or in windoze? Sharing a folder between Windows and Linux isn't an issue, but I don't know if the Claws' Windows and Linux versions could share the same preferences or POP account mails. Perhaps you should use IMAP instead of POP accounts, IMAP allows sharing mails even between different mailers. Regards, Ralf From claws-mail at karatemuffin.it Sun Jan 3 14:34:52 2016 From: claws-mail at karatemuffin.it (Trenkwalder Christian) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 14:34:52 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160102220035.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.fa8e8fc173.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> References: <20160102220035.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.fa8e8fc173.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20160103143452.0000301a@karatemuffin.it> Am Sat, 02 Jan 2016 22:00:35 -0700 schrieb : > I hope this is the right place to ask a question or two. If not, if > you could please tell me where I could ask for help? > > I am moving from windows to linux. I need to know how to transfer > my current clawsmail data and all settings into the linux > installation? There are 2 folders that are important, both are located in C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\ one is called "Claws-mail" the other one "Mail". claws-mail: contains all the settings Mail: contaisn all the mail > Secondly, is it possible to change the pointers in the program to > look at a different location of the data files? The computer is set > up as a dual boot. Ultimately I would like to have both windows and > linux look into a common partition and folder. Is it possible to > have either update the same data so nothing is missed whether > downloading from linux or in windoze? That you get all the mails on both installations should already be possible with pop/imap, so you dont need the common partition. But if you insist on sharing a directory, you can create a new Mailbox: File->New Mailbox there you can set the full path. Or just change it in the "claws-mail\folderlist.xml" Regards, Christian From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Sun Jan 3 22:05:25 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 22:05:25 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160103143452.0000301a@karatemuffin.it> References: <20160102220035.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.fa8e8fc173.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> <20160103143452.0000301a@karatemuffin.it> Message-ID: <20160103220525.04242130@moonstudio> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 14:34:52 +0100, Trenkwalder Christian wrote: >That you get all the mails on both installations should already be >possible with pop If the OP doesn't delete the mails from the POP server, then yes, the OP could retrieve mails by the Linux and Windows Claws, but this doesn't keep the both Claws' in sync. From codejodler at gmx.ch Sun Jan 3 22:46:10 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 22:46:10 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160103093356.64f67e60@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160102220035.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.fa8e8fc173.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> <20160103093356.64f67e60@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160103224610.0b359927@mirrors.kernel.org> I think sharing two different OS applications on filesystem level is just too complicated (for example, linking NTFS and ext4 to a common partition, with exactly what filesystem? or any kind of mounting trouble) and you really should go with IMAP. Another funny idea ... does anybody know if a webdav folder might work ? From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Sun Jan 3 23:13:57 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 23:13:57 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160103224610.0b359927@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20160102220035.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.fa8e8fc173.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> <20160103093356.64f67e60@archlinux.localdomain> <20160103224610.0b359927@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20160103231357.3b60c55a@moonstudio> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 22:46:10 +0100, Michael wrote: >I think sharing two different OS applications on filesystem level is >just too complicated (for example, linking NTFS and ext4 to a common >partition, with exactly what filesystem? I'm not speaking about compatibility of Claws for Linux and Claws for Windows, just about sharing files in generell. This wasn't an issue with old Windows versions, Windows could write and read files on an ext partition. Linux could read and write files on Windows partitions too, but this doesn't make sense when sharing files between Linux and Windows. However, regarding Windows new security policy there could be an issue, but seemingly it's solvable either. A German link, but the table doesn't require to understand German. https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Linux-Partitionen_unter_Windows From work at mykot.com Mon Jan 4 05:27:47 2016 From: work at mykot.com (work at mykot.com) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2016 21:27:47 -0700 Subject: [Users] claws mail question Message-ID: <20160103212747.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.880fb6b343.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> Thanks all. This email should be plain text. Sorry. The intent is that both Linux and Windows apps are looking at the same Mail data folders. I don't want to have to sync two locations, but more of the example of two distros, looking at the same data in a dual boot system. The reason is that we have a history of emails in the existing folders. I want to keep that and whether booted to windows or linux, the downloaded emails end up in the same place. Hopefully this makes sense. The partition was set up as FAT32 so both windows and linux could access the files I copied the existing Mail folders (and also claws-mail) into that location I can set up preferences in each, so that is not a big issue. The value is in the mail. Both Windows Vista and Linux Ubuntu are running Clawsmail 3.12.0 I don't see anything that is pointing to folder locations in folderlist.xlm The idea of changing a file like this is what I am looking for. Thanks and hoping for a great solution, Mike -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Users] claws mail question From: Ralf Mardorf Date: Sun, January 03, 2016 1:33 am To: users at lists.claws-mail.org On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 22:00:35 -0700, work at mykot.com wrote: >I hope this is the right place to ask a question or two. If not, if >you could please tell me where I could ask for help? Hi, this is the right place. Please always mention what version of Claws you're using, the menu Help > About should show you. Also mention what kind of accounts you're using, POP or IMAP. Next time don't send a HTML formatted email to the mailing list, just send plain text. I don't know Workspace Webmail 5.16.0, but those web mailer interfaces usually provide an option to switch to plain text. > I am moving from windows to linux. I need to know how to transfer > my current clawsmail data and all settings into the linux > installation? I can't help you with windows, but somebody else most likely could. > Secondly, is it possible to change the pointers in the program to > look at a different location of the data files? Even if it shouldn't be able to do this, you could use links. I'm sharing claws' preferences and POP accounts among two Linux installs on the same machine. [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl /mnt/moonstudio/home/weremouse/|grep mnt lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse users 43 Oct 6 22:57 .bogofilter -> /mnt/archlinux/home/rocketmouse/.bogofilter lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse users 43 Oct 6 22:57 .claws-mail -> /mnt/archlinux/home/rocketmouse/.claws-mail lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse users 42 Oct 6 22:57 Claws Mail -> /mnt/archlinux/home/rocketmouse/Claws Mail > The computer is set up as a dual boot. Ultimately I would like to > have both windows and linux look into a common partition and folder. > Is it possible to have either update the same data so nothing is > missed whether downloading from linux or in windoze? Sharing a folder between Windows and Linux isn't an issue, but I don't know if the Claws' Windows and Linux versions could share the same preferences or POP account mails. Perhaps you should use IMAP instead of POP accounts, IMAP allows sharing mails even between different mailers. Regards, Ralf _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users at lists.claws-mail.org http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From petter at synth.no Mon Jan 4 09:00:39 2016 From: petter at synth.no (Petter Adsen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 09:00:39 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160103212747.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.880fb6b343.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> References: <20160103212747.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.880fb6b343.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20160104090039.4f8f49da@odin> On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 21:27:47 -0700 wrote: > Thanks all. > This email should be plain text. Sorry. > > The intent is that both Linux and Windows apps are looking at the > same Mail data folders. I don't want to have to sync two locations, > but more of the example of two distros, looking at the same data in a > dual boot system. The reason is that we have a history of emails in > the existing folders. I want to keep that and whether booted to > windows or linux, the downloaded emails end up in the same place. > Hopefully this makes sense. The easiest way to do this would be to use IMAP, as Ralf also suggested, then all the mail would be on the server. Whatever client you connect with, on any device and OS, will see the exact same layout of folders with the same messages. A message marked as read on one device will be marked as read on any other, as the server keeps track of this, not the individual clients. That seems to me to be a better method than sharing a directory between two installs. The messages you have already downloaded can be copied back to folders on the server, so you won't lose access to those. Petter -- "I'm ionized" "Are you sure?" "I'm positive." From andrej at kacian.sk Mon Jan 4 09:25:28 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 09:25:28 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160103212747.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.880fb6b343.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> References: <20160103212747.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.880fb6b343.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20160104092528.3c6c913e@hiker> On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 21:27:47 -0700 wrote: > The intent is that both Linux and Windows apps are looking at the > same Mail data folders. I don't want to have to sync two locations, > but more of the example of two distros, looking at the same data in a > dual boot system. The reason is that we have a history of emails in > the existing folders. I want to keep that and whether booted to > windows or linux, the downloaded emails end up in the same place. > Hopefully this makes sense. IIRC Abhay uses the exact setup you describe - both Claws Mail from both Windows and Linux accessing the same rcdir and same MH mailbox, on a filesystem accessible by both. Apart from some minor issues (e.g. "signature_path" in account configuration obviously not working on both OSes), I seem to remember that this setup was working for him. I haven't seen a post from him on this mailing list in a while, I'm not sure he's reading it. He hangs out on our IRC channel from time to time, though. Regards, -- Andrej From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Mon Jan 4 10:49:33 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 10:49:33 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160104090039.4f8f49da@odin> References: <20160103212747.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.880fb6b343.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> <20160104090039.4f8f49da@odin> Message-ID: <20160104104933.604cd314@archlinux.localdomain> On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 09:00:39 +0100, Petter Adsen wrote: >The easiest way to do this would be to use IMAP, as Ralf also >suggested, then all the mail would be on the server. IMO using IMPA isn't easy, it's a PITA, but for this particular situation likely the second best solution. The best solution would be not to use a MUA with Windows at all. And as already pointed out, it's possible to keep POP mails also on the server and to Bcc each mail send to somebody to yourself, but I wouldn't call this real sync. >That seems to me to be a better method than sharing a directory between >two installs. Two or more Linux installs on the same machine, that never will run at the same time and always use the same version of Claws (compiled by the user, using the same configuration), could share directories without issues, without a risk, for mails and preferences. That's what I'm doing. I even share bogofilter data without taking care about the installed versions. Just sharing the mail folders I even shared POP account mails with different versions of Evolution, but this might be risky. On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 21:27:47 -0700, work at mykot.com wrote: >>The partition was set up as FAT32 so both windows and linux could >>access the files No, don't use FAT, test using EXT, to at least store permissions and owners and perhaps nowadays even journaling is supported. However, until nobody confirms that sharing folders between Claws for Windows and for Linux could be shared, consider to use IMAP or to drop using a MUA on Windows at all. From codejodler at gmx.ch Mon Jan 4 13:36:54 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:36:54 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160104104933.604cd314@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160103212747.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.880fb6b343.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> <20160104090039.4f8f49da@odin> <20160104104933.604cd314@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160104133654.317de0af@mirrors.kernel.org> Petter, I wondered about this for long. if i switch my POP account to IMAP, then how do i upload my (probably several thousand) Mails to the IMAP Server ?? Well, FAT ... on a local machine in a trusted environment, there's probably no issues with permissions. Except that your FAT mails can be hacked by Windows viruses anytime (and there i agree to Ralf, i won't do critical stuff on a Windows OS). And there we are, you can talk a lot about the advantages of Windows - and then it's virus, game over. I understood the OP wants to move from Windows to Linux completely but need some transition time and the emergency fallback. It's aleways the same idea, i think. I didn't use my laptop Windows for some years, before i coould summon the courage to just delete it. I've got 2 Debian and one archlinux each on different hardware, with more or less identical setup, which makes me feel safe in case one of them barfs after an update. I believe i can work on just like usual on even if two fail at a time. Sharing claws preferences on filesystem level is not the point for me, i'd rather do it by network, NAS or with my own webdav server. But for security reasons, i don't want to keep my main mail archive on my laptops anyway. I do external backups and in the worst case, i can restore my main claws on any other machine. wow this thread's got an incisive subject title :) From petter at synth.no Mon Jan 4 13:56:34 2016 From: petter at synth.no (Petter Adsen) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:56:34 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160104133654.317de0af@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20160103212747.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.880fb6b343.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> <20160104090039.4f8f49da@odin> <20160104104933.604cd314@archlinux.localdomain> <20160104133654.317de0af@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20160104135634.0924df48@odin> On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:36:54 +0100 Michael wrote: > Petter, > > I wondered about this for long. if i switch my POP account to IMAP, > then how do i upload my (probably several thousand) Mails to the IMAP > Server ?? Set up the IMAP account without deleting the POP account, and simply copy the messages from where they are in the POP account to the IMAP account. Might take some time if you have a lot of messages, but it works just fine. If you have control over the server there are other ways to do it too, of course. > Sharing claws preferences on filesystem level is not the point for > me, i'd rather do it by network, NAS or with my own webdav server. > But for security reasons, i don't want to keep my main mail archive > on my laptops anyway. I do external backups and in the worst case, i > can restore my main claws on any other machine. I run an IMAP server at home where all my mail is stored, and backed up frequently both locally and to a remote host. Once set up it works like a charm. Petter -- "I'm ionized" "Are you sure?" "I'm positive." From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Mon Jan 4 14:38:49 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 14:38:49 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160104135634.0924df48@odin> References: <20160103212747.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.880fb6b343.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> <20160104090039.4f8f49da@odin> <20160104104933.604cd314@archlinux.localdomain> <20160104133654.317de0af@mirrors.kernel.org> <20160104135634.0924df48@odin> Message-ID: <20160104143849.79c97f1e@archlinux.localdomain> On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:56:34 +0100, Petter Adsen wrote: >I run an IMAP server at home where all my mail is stored, and backed up >frequently both locally and to a remote host. Once set up it works >like a charm. In this case I wouldn't call IMAP a PITA, but since I don't have my own server, I prefer POP over IMAP. Perhaps the OP doesn't need to sync the Windows and the Linux Claws, then the OP could consider to only allow one Claws to delete the mails from the POP server, the other just downloads the mails, and assumed this claws is used to send mails, then auto-Bcc to archive the mails with the other Claws. On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:36:54 +0100, Michael wrote: >Well, FAT ... on a local machine in a trusted environment, there's >probably no issues with permissions. > >Except that your FAT mails can be hacked by Windows viruses anytime >(and there i agree to Ralf, i won't do critical stuff on a Windows >OS). And there we are, you can talk a lot about the advantages of >Windows - and then it's virus, game over. A shared directory on an Ext partition doesn't protect against a‮ Windows virus either, but it allows to manage mails in a better way for the Linux version of Claws and there's no drawback for the Windows version of Claws, excepted that some obscure security thingy for Windows XP successors needs to be disabled, but all those Windows inventions regarding security are anyway discussable. I already fear to buy a new mobo for my Linux, regarding the (U)EFI, secure boot crap. OTOH I prefer MBR over anything else, I'll stay <= 1 TiB forever. The OP could consider to run Windows in a VM on a Linux host, but this might ship with serious performance issues. However, at least one VM, virtualbox, allows to share folders in a very simple way, read/write by the guest and host at the same time. Hardware that require windows drivers would be another issue. Perhaps the thread is far too off-topic. Actually the correct answer to the original question is to use IMAP and nothing else. There might be POP solutions either, perhaps even using links as I do between two Linux installs would work, but this isn't the common approach for this kind of MUA sync. From ethy.brito at inexo.com.br Tue Jan 5 12:45:27 2016 From: ethy.brito at inexo.com.br (Ethy H. Brito) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:45:27 -0200 Subject: [Users] inverted extended search Message-ID: <20160105094527.3e769666@pulsar.inexo.com.br> Hi I want all messages not from somedomain.com. I then wrote f ! "somedomain.com" in the extended search field and got 2(two) mails on a 6300+ messages mailbox. The same search without "!" returns 2400+ mails. I would expect 3900+ messages (6300-2400) found on the first search. Am I missing something here? Cheers Ethy From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 5 13:02:44 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:02:44 +0000 Subject: [Users] inverted extended search In-Reply-To: <20160105094527.3e769666@pulsar.inexo.com.br> References: <20160105094527.3e769666@pulsar.inexo.com.br> Message-ID: <20160105120244.6e2ebde9@kujata> On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:45:27 -0200 "Ethy H. Brito" wrote: > I want all messages not from somedomain.com. > > I then wrote > f ! "somedomain.com" > in the extended search field and got 2(two) mails on a 6300+ > messages mailbox. > > The same search without "!" returns 2400+ mails. > I would expect 3900+ messages (6300-2400) found on the first search. > > Am I missing something here? Don't try to guess the syntax, but use the Edit button and the form to create it for you. what you are looking for is: ~from matchcase "somedomain.com" with regards Paul From ethy.brito at inexo.com.br Tue Jan 5 13:12:45 2016 From: ethy.brito at inexo.com.br (Ethy H. Brito) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 10:12:45 -0200 Subject: [Users] inverted extended search In-Reply-To: <20160105120244.6e2ebde9@kujata> References: <20160105094527.3e769666@pulsar.inexo.com.br> <20160105120244.6e2ebde9@kujata> Message-ID: <20160105101245.15c3f76c@pulsar.inexo.com.br> On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:02:44 +0000 Paul wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:45:27 -0200 > "Ethy H. Brito" wrote: > > > I want all messages not from somedomain.com. > > > > I then wrote > > f ! "somedomain.com" > > in the extended search field and got 2(two) mails on a 6300+ > > messages mailbox. > > > > The same search without "!" returns 2400+ mails. > > I would expect 3900+ messages (6300-2400) found on the first search. > > > > Am I missing something here? > > Don't try to guess the syntax, but use the Edit button and the form > to create it for you. what you are looking for is: > > ~from matchcase "somedomain.com" Thank you. I am sorry you wasted your time on that. My bad. Cheers Ethy From soldes at gmx.fr Tue Jan 5 14:04:34 2016 From: soldes at gmx.fr (KA) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:04:34 +0100 Subject: [Users] Layout, margin on the right Message-ID: <20160105140434.0f276ad5@kaxu> Hi All, Please, is there a way to extend the margin on the right when writing an Email in order to fit entirely the screen ? Thank you (screenshot in attachement) Claws Mail version 3.12.0 GTK+ 2.24.28 / GLib 2.46.1 Localización: es_ES.UTF-8 (caracteres: UTF-8) Sistema operativo: Linux 4.2.0-22-generic (x86_64) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Paul -- Paul Rolland E-Mail : rol(at)witbe.net CTO - Witbe.net SA Tel. +33 (0)1 47 67 77 77 Les Collines de l'Arche Fax. +33 (0)1 47 67 77 99 F-92057 Paris La Defense RIPE : PR12-RIPE LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulrolland Skype : rollandpaul "I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?'" --Mike Godwin, Electronic Frontier Foundation -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From codejodler at gmx.ch Tue Jan 5 14:45:18 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:45:18 +0100 Subject: [Users] what kinds of "sending" hotkeys do exist ? Message-ID: <20160105144518.302ad98c@mirrors.kernel.org> Hello, There is one mysterious thing which happens from time to time, but i can't track it ... whyn typing fast, in a reply, suddenly the mail is sent off, certainly because i acidently hit some keyboard shortcut, and after that i *can not find it anywhere* not even in the trash. My claws (v3.13.0) is configured to only put into queue, not send off immediately. And this last time, even the OP mail to which i replied is gone ! Really, i searched all over, for several minutes. So i must have triggered something like "sent immediately" then "delete" and one more "delete" ?? The shortcut(s) must bei in the left corner of the keyboard, it always happens when i use the left Shift key, so maybe it's Ctrl or "FN" (Thinkpad blue key) plus something. From codejodler at gmx.ch Tue Jan 5 14:46:17 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:46:17 +0100 Subject: [Users] what kinds of "sending" hotkeys do exist ? In-Reply-To: <20160105144518.302ad98c@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20160105144518.302ad98c@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20160105144617.1b000016@mirrors.kernel.org> > And this last time, even the OP mail to which i replied is gone ! And i repeat, nothing was in the Trash. I did a "rbuild tree" but it didn'd change anything. This is a pop account. From andrej at kacian.sk Tue Jan 5 14:56:05 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:56:05 +0100 Subject: [Users] what kinds of "sending" hotkeys do exist ? In-Reply-To: <20160105144518.302ad98c@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20160105144518.302ad98c@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20160105145605.179f23b0@hiker> On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:45:18 +0100 Michael wrote: > Hello, > > There is one mysterious thing which happens from time to time, but i > can't track it ... whyn typing fast, in a reply, suddenly the mail is > sent off, certainly because i acidently hit some keyboard shortcut, > and after that i *can not find it anywhere* not even in the trash. > > My claws (v3.13.0) is configured to only put into queue, not send off > immediately. > > And this last time, even the OP mail to which i replied is gone ! > Really, i searched all over, for several minutes. So i must have > triggered something like "sent immediately" then "delete" and one > more "delete" ?? > > The shortcut(s) must bei in the left corner of the keyboard, it > always happens when i use the left Shift key, so maybe it's Ctrl or > "FN" (Thinkpad blue key) plus something. As far as I know, there's only "Send" and "Send later", both can be found in compose window's Message menu. Perhaps you are too fast and pressing Ctrl+Enter, which is the default shortcut for "Send". Regards, -- Andrej From soldes at gmx.fr Tue Jan 5 15:34:10 2016 From: soldes at gmx.fr (KA) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 15:34:10 +0100 Subject: [Users] Layout, margin on the right In-Reply-To: <20160105141524.15ae77b9@riri.DEF.witbe.net> References: <20160105140434.0f276ad5@kaxu> <20160105141524.15ae77b9@riri.DEF.witbe.net> Message-ID: <20160105153410.2e9ab5e5@kaxu> Hi Paul, Thanks a lot. It works !! Regards, KA ----------Original Message---------- El Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:15:24 +0100 "Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン)" escribió: > Hello, > > On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:04:34 +0100 > KA wrote: > > > Please, is there a way to extend the margin on the right when writing an > > Email in order to fit entirely the screen ? > > Thank you > > Check the following: > Configuration > Preferences > Compose > Wrapping > > I guess you have the auto-wrapping activated with a number of chars below > 80, which could create what you are experiencing. > > Best, > Paul > From rhutter at posteo.de Tue Jan 5 15:37:10 2016 From: rhutter at posteo.de (Ralf Hutter) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 15:37:10 +0100 Subject: [Users] what kinds of "sending" hotkeys do exist ? In-Reply-To: <20160105144617.1b000016@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20160105144518.302ad98c@mirrors.kernel.org> <20160105144617.1b000016@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20160105153710.04c603ac@Trisdesk> If you can't find it anywhere, then it wasn't sent off, right? Or how do you know it was sent off? I guess you hit Ctrl + w, which simply closes the window. You can have Claws save an email every x characters that you type. That could help you. Ralf On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:46:17 +0100 Michael wrote: > > > > And this last time, even the OP mail to which i replied is gone ! > > And i repeat, nothing was in the Trash. I did a "rbuild tree" but it > didn'd change anything. > > This is a pop account. > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My best idea is that i hit the "send" combination, and then (maybe by more random keys) a kind of "Delete thread" got triggered ? Does "Delete thread" exist ? I set the "send" hotkey combnation now to Ctrl Alt Enter, for me apparently safer than Ctrl Enter. I'm not really eager to reproduce the thing ... From mir at miras.org Tue Jan 5 21:36:39 2016 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 21:36:39 +0100 Subject: [Users] what kinds of "sending" hotkeys do exist ? In-Reply-To: <20160105212333.0240039b@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20160105144518.302ad98c@mirrors.kernel.org> <20160105144617.1b000016@mirrors.kernel.org> <20160105153710.04c603ac@Trisdesk> <20160105212333.0240039b@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20160105213639.2fbe4e87@sleipner.datanom.net> On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 21:23:33 +0100 Michael wrote: > > I'm not really eager to reproduce the thing ... You could also turn to another solution. Simply activate the feature to use an external editor, eg. vi, emacs etc. -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/games/fortune -es says: Linux is addictive, I'm hooked! -- MaDsen Wikholm's .sig -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, KA ----------Original Message---------- El Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:53:30 +0000 Brad Rogers escribió: > On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:15:24 +0100 > "Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン)" wrote: > > Hello Paul, > > >Configuration > Preferences > Compose > Wrapping > > Doesn't changing this also alter how emails appear to recipients? > > Line lengths, even nowadays, above 80 chars are discouraged as it makes > reading more difficult. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, KA You are aware that if you keep a sane value, e.g. 72 chars and assumed you keep anything at auto-..., you anyway can mix wrapped text with endless line/unwrapped quoted text? You're just pasting, then after pasting push 1 time undo to get rid of the auto-wrapping. This doesn't work if you continue editing the text, but the following does work. You want to write unwrapped lines and or paste unwrapped text, then in the composer window go to edit and uncheck auto wrapping and maybe auto intent either. You want to write wrapped lines, but paste unwrapped text, then go to the composer window's edit > special paste and chose unwrapped. So there's no need to change the sane default values of the preferences. [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ echo "long line----------------------------------------------------------------" long line---------------------------------------------------------------- From brad at fineby.me.uk Wed Jan 6 00:29:46 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 23:29:46 +0000 Subject: [Users] Layout, margin on the right In-Reply-To: <20160105221859.0035e1aa@kaxu> References: <20160105140434.0f276ad5@kaxu> <20160105141524.15ae77b9@riri.DEF.witbe.net> <20160105165330.7a83c029@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160105221859.0035e1aa@kaxu> Message-ID: <20160105232946.5779c462@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 22:18:59 +0100 KA wrote: Hello KA, >mail I have received there was OK and visible in both small and large >window positions. Admittedly, it's far less common now, but there are MUAs that don't wrap long lines. I've no idea how some of the web based mailers will handle it. Many will gracefully wrap, I'm sure, but don't bank on it. I like to remember the old maxim; "Be strict in what you send, but generous in what you receive". Finally, there was absolutely no need to send a 32k graphic as proof you'd set the line length to 1024 chars. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" He looked the wrong way at a policeman I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From soldes at gmx.fr Wed Jan 6 01:51:08 2016 From: soldes at gmx.fr (KA) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 01:51:08 +0100 Subject: [Users] Layout, margin on the right In-Reply-To: <20160105232946.5779c462@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <20160105140434.0f276ad5@kaxu> <20160105141524.15ae77b9@riri.DEF.witbe.net> <20160105165330.7a83c029@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160105221859.0035e1aa@kaxu> <20160105232946.5779c462@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: <20160106015108.59e415f8@kaxu> Hi All, Hi Brad, >there was absolutely no need to send a 32k graphic The issue here is that my interface is in Spanish and I didn't feel confortable in translating the 5 lines into English. The last one would be translated incorrectly by myself as "Auto-blooding" :o) But you are correct I should have said here that "I checked the 4 boxes and set the last param to 1024" to save you time opening the file. Sorry for this. >Many will gracefully wrap, I'm sure, but don't bank on it. Ok I will take time testing more possibilities. Thanks All ----------Original Message---------- El Tue, 5 Jan 2016 23:29:46 +0000 Brad Rogers escribió: > now, but there are MUAs that don't wrap > long lines. I've no idea how some of the web based mailers will handle > it. Many will gracefully wrap, I'm sure, but don't bank on it. > > I like to remember the old maxim; "Be strict in what you send, but > generous in what you receive". > > Finally, there was absolutely no need to send a 32k graphic as proof > you'd set the line length to 1024 chars. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Wed Jan 6 02:17:15 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 02:17:15 +0100 Subject: [Users] Layout, margin on the right In-Reply-To: <20160106015108.59e415f8@kaxu> References: <20160105140434.0f276ad5@kaxu> <20160105141524.15ae77b9@riri.DEF.witbe.net> <20160105165330.7a83c029@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160105221859.0035e1aa@kaxu> <20160105232946.5779c462@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160106015108.59e415f8@kaxu> Message-ID: <20160106021715.7ee552a3@archlinux.localdomain> On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 01:51:08 +0100, KA wrote: >The issue here is that my interface is in Spanish and I didn't feel >confortable in translating the 5 lines into English. Launch claws from command line LANG=C claws-mail or LC_ALL=C claws-mail most likely will set Claws to English. From work at mykot.com Wed Jan 6 05:00:41 2016 From: work at mykot.com (work at mykot.com) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 21:00:41 -0700 Subject: [Users] was: Shared data between boots - now: Transferring data files from Win to Lin Message-ID: <20160105210041.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.448f78563b.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> Thanks all for the suggestions. The accountrc file seems to be the primary config file. It looks like it should be the one to modify. I have tried multiple variations, but none seem to work. It really should be pretty straight forward. The program config files have to set up the paths that the system uses. I was hoping to find and modify those paths. Setting them to look at the shared drive so the data would be common between multiple boots. It's about time to give up. Linux has been the OS of choice for years. It's just been a slight set back over the past few months, while I found a better distro. Now that I'm there with Lubuntu, I just need to migrate the data from windows to linux. I have moved the files. Opened Claws and all of the folders and counts show up correctly. The problem is as soon as I select one, the numbers all zero out and there is actually nothing in the folder. I had the same issue when I had to temporarily migrate from Linux to Win. I don't remember how to get the files to transfer and read correctly. Any help is greatly appreciated! Mike -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Users] claws mail question From: Ralf Mardorf Date: Mon, January 04, 2016 6:38 am To: users at lists.claws-mail.org On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:56:34 +0100, Petter Adsen wrote: >I run an IMAP server at home where all my mail is stored, and backed up >frequently both locally and to a remote host. Once set up it works >like a charm. In this case I wouldn't call IMAP a PITA, but since I don't have my own server, I prefer POP over IMAP. Perhaps the OP doesn't need to sync the Windows and the Linux Claws, then the OP could consider to only allow one Claws to delete the mails from the POP server, the other just downloads the mails, and assumed this claws is used to send mails, then auto-Bcc to archive the mails with the other Claws. _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users at lists.claws-mail.org http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Wed Jan 6 05:29:55 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 05:29:55 +0100 Subject: [Users] was: Shared data between boots - now: Transferring data files from Win to Lin In-Reply-To: <20160105210041.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.448f78563b.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> References: <20160105210041.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.448f78563b.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20160106052955.47c1cdf0@archlinux.localdomain> File > Export to mbox file... or select all File > Export selected to mbox file... then File > Import mbox file... From work at mykot.com Wed Jan 6 05:48:14 2016 From: work at mykot.com (work at mykot.com) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 21:48:14 -0700 Subject: [Users] was: Shared data between boots - now: Transferring data files from Win to Lin Message-ID: <20160105214814.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.36e218beb3.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> OK, I did if from the primary inbox folder. The export only shows 850kb. The size of the mail folder is approx. 3g. What am I doing wrong? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Users] was: Shared data between boots - now: Transferring data files from Win to Lin From: Ralf Mardorf Date: Tue, January 05, 2016 9:29 pm To: users at lists.claws-mail.org File > Export to mbox file... or select all File > Export selected to mbox file... then File > Import mbox file... _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users at lists.claws-mail.org http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 6 10:24:50 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 09:24:50 +0000 Subject: [Users] was: Shared data between boots - now: Transferring data files from Win to Lin In-Reply-To: <20160106052955.47c1cdf0@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160105210041.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.448f78563b.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> <20160106052955.47c1cdf0@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160106092450.35de5579@kujata> On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 05:29:55 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > File > Export to mbox file... > or select all > File > Export selected to mbox file... > then > File > Import mbox file... Surely this is too much trouble. If the windows partition is available from linux, make a tarball, preserving timestamps. with regards Paul From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 6 10:26:30 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 09:26:30 +0000 Subject: [Users] was: Shared data between boots - now: Transferring data files from Win to Lin In-Reply-To: <20160105210041.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.448f78563b.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> References: <20160105210041.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.448f78563b.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20160106092630.76257b37@kujata> On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 21:00:41 -0700 wrote: > I was hoping to find and modify those > paths. Setting them to look at the shared drive so the data would > be common between multiple boots. It's about time to give up. `claws-mail --alternate-config-dir [dir]` See `claws-mail --help` and `man claws-mail`. with regards Paul From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 6 10:33:19 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 09:33:19 +0000 Subject: [Users] what kinds of "sending" hotkeys do exist ? In-Reply-To: <20160105144518.302ad98c@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20160105144518.302ad98c@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20160106093319.12e5a025@kujata> On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:45:18 +0100 Michael wrote: > what kinds of "sending" hotkeys do exist ? You can see them all by looking at the menus in the Compose window. with regards Paul From rol at witbe.net Wed Jan 6 10:52:38 2016 From: rol at witbe.net (Paul Rolland (=?UTF-8?B?44Od44O844Or44O744Ot44Op44Oz?=)) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 10:52:38 +0100 Subject: [Users] Layout, margin on the right In-Reply-To: <20160105165330.7a83c029@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <20160105140434.0f276ad5@kaxu> <20160105141524.15ae77b9@riri.DEF.witbe.net> <20160105165330.7a83c029@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: <20160106105238.36af5083@riri.DEF.witbe.net> Hello, On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:53:30 +0000 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:15:24 +0100 > "Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン)" wrote: > > Hello Paul, > > >Configuration > Preferences > Compose > Wrapping > > Doesn't changing this also alter how emails appear to recipients? > > Line lengths, even nowadays, above 80 chars are discouraged as it makes > reading more difficult. Sure, it does. But AFAIK, there is no Claws option to set the way it is displayed locally, and have a different formatting for what is sent. Anyway, though I agree that lines longer than 72 chars are not really recommended, most MUA are now able to accomodate that smoothly. Paul -- Paul Rolland E-Mail : rol(at)witbe.net CTO - Witbe.net SA Tel. +33 (0)1 47 67 77 77 Les Collines de l'Arche Fax. +33 (0)1 47 67 77 99 F-92057 Paris La Defense RIPE : PR12-RIPE LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulrolland Skype : rollandpaul "I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?'" --Mike Godwin, Electronic Frontier Foundation -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Wed Jan 6 12:07:55 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:07:55 +0100 Subject: [Users] Layout, margin on the right In-Reply-To: <20160106105238.36af5083@riri.DEF.witbe.net> References: <20160105140434.0f276ad5@kaxu> <20160105141524.15ae77b9@riri.DEF.witbe.net> <20160105165330.7a83c029@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160106105238.36af5083@riri.DEF.witbe.net> Message-ID: <20160106120755.1d7d2146@archlinux.localdomain> On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 10:52:38 +0100, Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン) wrote: >Anyway, though I agree that lines longer than 72 chars are not really >recommended, most MUA are now able to accomodate that smoothly. I only use two MUAs and both are able to switch between auto wrapping and no wrapping without issues. One of those MUAs is Claws and I already explained how to do this here: http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2016-January/015326.html Wrapping lines <= 80 chars, most common are 72 chars, is good, however to quote command line output, scripts and other code, it makes sense to temporarily disable it within a mail and then to continue with auto wrapping. No problem for Claws (and Evolution). From brad at fineby.me.uk Wed Jan 6 16:00:55 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:00:55 +0000 Subject: [Users] Layout, margin on the right In-Reply-To: <20160106105238.36af5083@riri.DEF.witbe.net> References: <20160105140434.0f276ad5@kaxu> <20160105141524.15ae77b9@riri.DEF.witbe.net> <20160105165330.7a83c029@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160106105238.36af5083@riri.DEF.witbe.net> Message-ID: <20160106150055.46cc2a77@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 10:52:38 +0100 "Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン)" wrote: Hello Paul, >Sure, it does. But AFAIK, there is no Claws option to set the way it is >displayed locally, and have a different formatting for what is sent. TBH, it wouldn't make sense to have the displayed & sent settings formatted differently. That way madness lies. :-) >Anyway, though I agree that lines longer than 72 chars are not really >recommended, most MUA are now able to accomodate that smoothly. Agreed, but I still prefer to be conservative. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" The public gets what the public wants Going Underground - The Jam -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From work at mykot.com Wed Jan 6 19:41:39 2016 From: work at mykot.com (work at mykot.com) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 11:41:39 -0700 Subject: [Users] was: Shared data between boots - now: Transferring data files from Win to Lin Message-ID: <20160106114139.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.88ed0564a2.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 05:29:55 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > File > Export to mbox file... > or select all > File > Export selected to mbox file... > then > File > Import mbox file... > Surely this is too much trouble. If the windows partition is > available from linux, make a tarball, preserving timestamps. > > with regards > > Paul I installed clawsmail in linux. I copied the existing mail directory into the new mail directory (all 3.2g) It opens with what looks like full folders. As soon as I select any folder, it zeros out. It shows no mail. So, how do I get claws to access the existing mail data? I will try the tarball, but copying in the data would still have the same issue wouldn't it? Is the timestamp what is cause the data to not be accessed? Do I have to mbox each and every folder that contains mail? It doesn't look like the file at 750k has the export for 3.2g of mail. thanks, Mike From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com Wed Jan 6 20:51:26 2016 From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 01:21:26 +0530 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160102220035.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.fa8e8fc173.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> References: <20160102220035.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.fa8e8fc173.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20160107012126.00004bf7@netsolutions.in> On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 22:00:35 -0700, work at mykot.com wrote: > Secondly, is it possible to change the pointers in the program to > look at a different location of the data files? The computer is > set up as a dual boot. Ultimately I would like to have both > windows and linux look into a common partition and folder. Is it > possible to have either update the same data so nothing is missed > whether downloading from linux or in windoze? Giving the short answer first. It is: Yes, it's possible. > I am moving from windows to linux. I need to know how to > transfer my current clawsmail data and all settings into the linux > installation? Copying is simple. Running Claws from both Linux and Windows with a common location is a little more involved. I'll describe latter, former will automatically make sense. You may need to change some things based on your system config and personal preferences. First, let's understand what's where. You need two folders: 1. Claws-Mail typically in C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\ 2. Mail typically in C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\ as well #1 is your config directory. #2 is your mailbox folder. It may have multiple mailboxes. Since Claws refers to mailbox root folder in absolute paths on Windows, we need to be sure we use a path that can be used on Linux as well. We'll move "Mail" to D: root. Bear with me. It'll make sense. You can do it for C: too if you want to use a single partition in Windows (bad idea BTW -- pro tip: On Windows, try to keep all your personal files in a separate partition than Windows or better still, a completely different drive!). Now open up folderlist.xml and edit your mailbox path. It'll be line 3 in that file. It'll look like this: Display->Fonts 4. If you use gpg, you'll have to symlink path to your gnupg data folder to .gnupg in your home folder as well. That's it. You can switch back-and-forth any time. *NOTE:* The only problem is that if you create any folders in Windows, you'll have to open up folderlist.xml and do a search-and-replace of "\" with "/". Windows automatically replaces "/" with "\" so it works there, but Linux doesn't understand paths with "\" and while it'll show the folder in your folder list in Claws, you won't be able to see any mails in it, or move mails to it. That's also why you are seeing all the zero-message folders that you describe in your other message to the list. Hope this helps. If something doesn't work out, ask away. From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com Wed Jan 6 20:58:35 2016 From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 01:28:35 +0530 Subject: [Users] was: Shared data between boots - now: Transferring data files from Win to Lin In-Reply-To: <20160105214814.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.36e218beb3.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> References: <20160105214814.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.36e218beb3.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20160107012835.00001023@netsolutions.in> On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 21:48:14 -0700, work at mykot.com wrote: > > File > Export to mbox file... > > or select all > > File > Export selected to mbox file... > > then > > File > Import mbox file... > > > I did if from the primary inbox folder. The export only shows > 850kb. The size of the mail folder is approx. 3g. What am I doing > wrong? Because your Inbox is 850kb. Export mbox only works on the current folder. So you will have to export each folder. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Wed Jan 6 21:10:12 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 21:10:12 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160107012126.00004bf7@netsolutions.in> References: <20160102220035.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.fa8e8fc173.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> <20160107012126.00004bf7@netsolutions.in> Message-ID: <20160106211012.582de781@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 01:21:26 +0530, Abhay S. Kushwaha wrote: >The only problem is that if you create any folders in > Windows, you'll have to open up folderlist.xml and do a > search-and-replace of "\" with "/". If the above works, then why not simply linking to a parent mail folder instead of editing the folderlist each time something changes? [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -AGg /mnt/moonstudio/home/weremouse/|grep mnt lrwxrwxrwx 1 43 Oct 6 22:57 .bogofilter -> /mnt/archlinux/home/rocketmouse/.bogofilter lrwxrwxrwx 1 43 Oct 6 22:57 .claws-mail -> /mnt/archlinux/home/rocketmouse/.claws-mail lrwxrwxrwx 1 42 Oct 6 22:57 Claws Mail -> /mnt/archlinux/home/rocketmouse/Claws Mail Links should work for Windows too, perhaps not for the config, but at least for the mail folder. IOW keep mails in the Windows home or Linux home and add links to the other home. From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com Wed Jan 6 21:26:25 2016 From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 01:56:25 +0530 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160106211012.582de781@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160102220035.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.fa8e8fc173.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> <20160107012126.00004bf7@netsolutions.in> <20160106211012.582de781@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160107015625.00007c1f@netsolutions.in> On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 21:10:12 +0100, Ralf wrote: > >The only problem is that if you create any folders in > > Windows, you'll have to open up folderlist.xml and do a > > search-and-replace of "\" with "/". > > If the above works, then why not simply linking to a parent mail > folder instead of editing the folderlist each time something > changes? > > [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls > -AGg /mnt/moonstudio/home/weremouse/|grep mnt lrwxrwxrwx 1 43 > Oct 6 22:57 .bogofilter > -> /mnt/archlinux/home/rocketmouse/.bogofilter lrwxrwxrwx 1 43 > Oct 6 22:57 .claws-mail > -> /mnt/archlinux/home/rocketmouse/.claws-mail lrwxrwxrwx 1 42 > Oct 6 22:57 Claws Mail -> /mnt/archlinux/home/rocketmouse/Claws > Mail > > Links should work for Windows too, perhaps not for the config, but > at least for the mail folder. IOW keep mails in the Windows home or > Linux home and add links to the other home. Because of how folderlist.xml works. We're trying to make sure the same folderlist.xml is used when the user is in Linux and when the user is in Windows. On Windows, mailbox path is absolute. C:\...\Mail etc. but on Linux, it's relative to the home directory unless absolute paths are intentionally used. Second, when you create a sub-folder in Linux, it gets added in folderlist.xml relative to the mailbox root. So inbox path is defined as: path="inbox" but the moment you create a sub-folder, it'll be saved in it as: path="inbox/subfolder". Windows reads this. If you create the subfolder while on windows, it'll be saved in folderlist.xml as: path="inbox\subfolder". And when you use that on Linux, "subfolder" will show up in the folder tree, but Claws won't be able to physically access "subfolder". That's why, if a folder is created while in Windows, "folderlist.xml" has to be updated to replace all "\" with "/". Hope this clarifies. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Wed Jan 6 21:33:50 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 21:33:50 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160107015625.00007c1f@netsolutions.in> References: <20160102220035.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.fa8e8fc173.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> <20160107012126.00004bf7@netsolutions.in> <20160106211012.582de781@archlinux.localdomain> <20160107015625.00007c1f@netsolutions.in> Message-ID: <20160106213350.3405af91@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 01:56:25 +0530, Abhay S. Kushwaha wrote: >Hope this clarifies. No it doesn't. The OP should not link the config including the folderlist ;), just the parent mail folder should become a link. Assumed the OP creates a new folder, than when using a link, by my understanding should Claws Linux and Claws Windows automagically generate a correct folderlist, that fits to the correct syntax, / vs \. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 6 21:37:12 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 20:37:12 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3591] New: complains about missing pthreadGC2.dll on startup Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3591 Bug ID: 3591 Summary: complains about missing pthreadGC2.dll on startup Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail (Windows) Version: 3.13.1 Hardware: PC OS: Windows 7 Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: default Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: bbowler at bigelow.org On starting claws on win 7, I get a dialog box that says... claws-mail.exe: claws-mail.exe - System Error The program can't start because pthreadGC2.dll is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem. I did try reinstalling with the same result. There is a copy of the referenced DLL on my machine in c:\program files (x86)\GNU\Claws Mail which makes me think it's looking for it some other location. Can someone tell we where it should be? Interestingly, the program does start, but I'm sure somewhere along the line I'll find some part of the code that doesn't work as expected. I didn't have this problem with 3.10.{?} Bruce -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com Wed Jan 6 22:05:15 2016 From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 02:35:15 +0530 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160106213350.3405af91@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160102220035.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.fa8e8fc173.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> <20160107012126.00004bf7@netsolutions.in> <20160106211012.582de781@archlinux.localdomain> <20160107015625.00007c1f@netsolutions.in> <20160106213350.3405af91@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160107023515.000015ec@netsolutions.in> On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 21:33:50 +0100, Ralf wrote: > >Hope this clarifies. > > No it doesn't. > > The OP should not link the config including the folderlist ;), just > the parent mail folder should become a link. > > Assumed the OP creates a new folder, than when using a link, by my > understanding should Claws Linux and Claws Windows automagically > generate a correct folderlist, that fits to the correct syntax, / > vs \. That means 1. Doing a "re-build folder tree" every time a folder is created/removed. 2. If mails are not deleted immediately on retrieval, mails will get re-downloaded. 3. Accounts/Prefs have to be re-set up and they don't stay in sync. ... and probably a bunch of other problems I can't think of. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 6 22:26:48 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 21:26:48 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3591] complains about missing pthreadGC2.dll on startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3591 --- Comment #1 from Bruce Bowler --- Well I think the "missing" dll may be a red herring. When I installed it, it installed to c:\program files (x86)\claws mail where older versions installed to c:\program files (x86)\gnu\claws mail (notice GNU in there). If I move the new claws mail folder to be under the GNU folder, things work as expected (ie no error dialog) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 6 23:06:40 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:06:40 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3591] complains about missing pthreadGC2.dll on startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3591 --- Comment #2 from Andrej Kacian --- Are you sure you do not have some files left over from older Claws Mail installation? Recent versions (since July 2015 or so) do not use pthreadGC2 at all. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From andrej at kacian.sk Wed Jan 6 23:39:49 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 23:39:49 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160107015625.00007c1f@netsolutions.in> References: <20160102220035.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.fa8e8fc173.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> <20160107012126.00004bf7@netsolutions.in> <20160106211012.582de781@archlinux.localdomain> <20160107015625.00007c1f@netsolutions.in> Message-ID: <20160106233949.027a0135@penny> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 01:56:25 +0530 "Abhay S. Kushwaha" wrote: > If you > create the subfolder while on windows, it'll be saved in > folderlist.xml as: path="inbox\subfolder". If this happens, it is a bug. The internal path should always use forward slashes, and Windows version of Claws Mail should translate it to backslashes when constructing a filesystem path out of it. I will take a look at the code. :) Regards, -- Andrej -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com Thu Jan 7 06:30:16 2016 From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 11:00:16 +0530 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160106233949.027a0135@penny> References: <20160102220035.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.fa8e8fc173.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> <20160107012126.00004bf7@netsolutions.in> <20160106211012.582de781@archlinux.localdomain> <20160107015625.00007c1f@netsolutions.in> <20160106233949.027a0135@penny> Message-ID: <20160107110016.00002f6f@netsolutions.in> On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 23:39:49 +0100, Andrej wrote: > > If you create the subfolder while on windows, it'll be saved in > > folderlist.xml as: path="inbox\subfolder". > > If this happens, it is a bug. The internal path should always use > forward slashes, and Windows version of Claws Mail should translate > it to backslashes when constructing a filesystem path out of it. > > I will take a look at the code. :) No, this is intentional. I had discussed this. Windows documentation asks developers to use backslash (\) although they say Windows will dynamically translate any forward slashes (/) in a path into backslashes. See second bullet under "Naming Conventions" at: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365247(v=vs.85).aspx#naming_conventions The bit about / becoming \ at run-time is mentioned as a Note under "Maximum Path Length Limitation" a bit down. My uninformed belief is that since folder path is appended to mailbox path to figure out where to perform file operations, it was thought of as OS-level folder path, rather than a Claws-specific contextual path relative to mailbox path, and hence the above MS recommendation of using \ in paths has been followed. So you'll most likely see a OS conditional in the code that forces use of \ in folderlist.xml for Windows. From wegge at wegge.dk Thu Jan 7 09:21:47 2016 From: wegge at wegge.dk (Anders Wegge Keller) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 09:21:47 +0100 Subject: [Users] Accidentially ignored the wrong thread. Message-ID: <20160107092147.75d94dde@wegge.dk> How do I un-ignore a thread? It's a bit embarassing, but I manged to hit the wrong thread, and didn't notice until I had moved to the next group. -- //Wegge From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Jan 7 10:57:19 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 09:57:19 +0000 Subject: [Users] Accidentially ignored the wrong thread. In-Reply-To: <20160107092147.75d94dde@wegge.dk> References: <20160107092147.75d94dde@wegge.dk> Message-ID: <20160107095719.63c5bdc8@kujata> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 09:21:47 +0100 Anders Wegge Keller wrote: > How do I un-ignore a thread? It's a bit embarassing, but I manged > to hit the wrong thread, and didn't notice until I had moved to the > next group. Directly below the 'Ignore thread' menu item. with regards Paul From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Jan 7 14:00:06 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 13:00:06 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3592] New: cannot set toplevel folder's colour Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3592 Bug ID: 3592 Summary: cannot set toplevel folder's colour Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: GIT Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Folders Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: mones at users.sourceforge.net Setting a folder colour in a toplevel folder is possible in the folder properties dialog interface, but the colour is not set on folder list. Steps to reproduce: • Right-click a toplevel folder (MH, IMAP, RSSyl) to open contextual menu • Select “Properties...” option, dialogue opens • Click “Folder color” squared colour spot, colour selector dialogue opens • Select a non-black colour • Close the colour selector clicking “OK” button, colour spot is updated • Click “Apply” button • Click “OK” button to close dialog Right-clicked folder remains black instead of the selected colour. If it's not possible the interface should be disabled (until the recursive checkbox is checked) or a warning raised, notifiying the invalid setting. Preferred fix is that this could be possible, of course, as this can help to visually locate toplevel folders easily on folder lists. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From work at mykot.com Thu Jan 7 16:28:57 2016 From: work at mykot.com (work at mykot.com) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 08:28:57 -0700 Subject: [Users] claws mail question Message-ID: <20160107082855.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.b9d68632cb.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> Abhay, Thank you for your help. I am working through it all now. I will reply back as it gets going or I need a bit more help. I do have a question. The folderlist.xml changes will be going as you said. The question I have on the slashes is does the same edit need to be in the accountrc file? That one contains the paths for the various folders. Or since that is internal to Claws, does it not need any changes? thanks -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Users] claws mail question From: "Abhay S. Kushwaha" Date: Wed, January 06, 2016 10:30 pm To: Claws-Mail Users Mailing List On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 23:39:49 +0100, Andrej wrote: > > If you create the subfolder while on windows, it'll be saved in > > folderlist.xml as: path="inbox\subfolder". > > If this happens, it is a bug. The internal path should always use > forward slashes, and Windows version of Claws Mail should translate > it to backslashes when constructing a filesystem path out of it. > > I will take a look at the code. :) No, this is intentional. I had discussed this. Windows documentation asks developers to use backslash (\) although they say Windows will dynamically translate any forward slashes (/) in a path into backslashes. See second bullet under "Naming Conventions" at: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365247(v=vs.85).aspx#naming_conventions The bit about / becoming \ at run-time is mentioned as a Note under "Maximum Path Length Limitation" a bit down. My uninformed belief is that since folder path is appended to mailbox path to figure out where to perform file operations, it was thought of as OS-level folder path, rather than a Claws-specific contextual path relative to mailbox path, and hence the above MS recommendation of using \ in paths has been followed. So you'll most likely see a OS conditional in the code that forces use of \ in folderlist.xml for Windows. _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users at lists.claws-mail.org http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From claws-mail at fy3.co.uk Thu Jan 7 18:14:48 2016 From: claws-mail at fy3.co.uk (Chris Hirst) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 17:14:48 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3592] New: cannot set toplevel folder's colour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160107171448.6ed295fb@chris-HP> By the way, There is a warning message on the dialogue that states the 'top folder' colour will not change. On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 13:00:06 +0000 noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3592 > > Bug ID: 3592 > Summary: cannot set toplevel folder's colour > Classification: Unclassified > Product: Claws Mail > Version: GIT > Hardware: PC > OS: Linux > Status: NEW > Severity: normal > Priority: P3 > Component: Folders > Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org > Reporter: mones at users.sourceforge.net > > Setting a folder colour in a toplevel folder is possible in the folder > properties dialog interface, but the colour is not set on folder list. > > Steps to reproduce: > > • Right-click a toplevel folder (MH, IMAP, RSSyl) to open contextual > menu • Select “Properties...” option, dialogue opens > • Click “Folder color” squared colour spot, colour selector dialogue > opens • Select a non-black colour > • Close the colour selector clicking “OK” button, colour spot is > updated • Click “Apply” button > • Click “OK” button to close dialog > > Right-clicked folder remains black instead of the selected colour. > > If it's not possible the interface should be disabled (until the > recursive checkbox is checked) or a warning raised, notifiying the > invalid setting. > > Preferred fix is that this could be possible, of course, as this can > help to visually locate toplevel folders easily on folder lists. > ~~~~~~~~~ So long, and thanks for all the fish. From claws-mail at fy3.co.uk Thu Jan 7 18:12:53 2016 From: claws-mail at fy3.co.uk (Chris Hirst) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 17:12:53 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3592] New: cannot set toplevel folder's colour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160107171253.55b02fe0@chris-HP> Hi, You need to select the "Apply to subfolders" checkbox before pressing [ OK ]. On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 13:00:06 +0000 noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3592 > > Bug ID: 3592 > Summary: cannot set toplevel folder's colour > Classification: Unclassified > Product: Claws Mail > Version: GIT > Hardware: PC > OS: Linux > Status: NEW > Severity: normal > Priority: P3 > Component: Folders > Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org > Reporter: mones at users.sourceforge.net > > Setting a folder colour in a toplevel folder is possible in the folder > properties dialog interface, but the colour is not set on folder list. > > Steps to reproduce: > > • Right-click a toplevel folder (MH, IMAP, RSSyl) to open contextual > menu • Select “Properties...” option, dialogue opens > • Click “Folder color” squared colour spot, colour selector dialogue > opens • Select a non-black colour > • Close the colour selector clicking “OK” button, colour spot is > updated • Click “Apply” button > • Click “OK” button to close dialog > > Right-clicked folder remains black instead of the selected colour. > > If it's not possible the interface should be disabled (until the > recursive checkbox is checked) or a warning raised, notifiying the > invalid setting. > > Preferred fix is that this could be possible, of course, as this can > help to visually locate toplevel folders easily on folder lists. > ~~~~~~~~~ So long, and thanks for all the fish. From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com Thu Jan 7 20:49:38 2016 From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 01:19:38 +0530 Subject: [Users] claws mail question In-Reply-To: <20160107082855.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.b9d68632cb.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> References: <20160107082855.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.b9d68632cb.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20160108011938.000028c9@netsolutions.in> On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 08:28:57 -0700, work at mykot.com wrote: > The question I have on the slashes is does the same edit need to > be in the accountrc file? Yes, if you have any filters with folder paths, then accountrc needs to be updated as well to replace "\" with "/" in those folder paths. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Jan 7 22:39:40 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 21:39:40 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3592] cannot set toplevel folder's colour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3592 --- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian --- This would require moving folder_color from FolderItemPrefs to Folder and FolderItem structs, and therefore storing it in folderlist.xml instead of folderitemrc. Thanks for volunteering! :) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From codejodler at gmx.ch Thu Jan 7 23:08:56 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 23:08:56 +0100 Subject: [Users] what kinds of "sending" hotkeys do exist ? In-Reply-To: <20160106093319.12e5a025@kujata> References: <20160105144518.302ad98c@mirrors.kernel.org> <20160106093319.12e5a025@kujata> Message-ID: <20160107230856.7f147795@mirrors.kernel.org> Paul, > > what kinds of "sending" hotkeys do exist ? > > You can see them all by looking at the menus in the Compose window. So that's "send" and "send later" .... it makes sense to assume there's nothing else (invisible in the menu) but i don't know if i can take it for granted. For example, vlc player has many tricky features that are spread all over the menus and configurable buttons, you never know what happens if you hit a random key :) So how come my "ghost mails" disappear completely. Can the filesystem be involved ? Mounted /dev/sda2 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime) on SSD. Or wait, can actions have hotkeys ? Some of mine are obsolet since long and may not work correctly anymore. I can't see any hotkeys though. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 8 00:34:07 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 23:34:07 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3593] New: Wont take more than one email address Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3593 Bug ID: 3593 Summary: Wont take more than one email address Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail (Windows) Version: 3.13.1 Hardware: PC OS: Windows 7 Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: default Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: wazz at ellijay.com When composing an email, trying to enter a second email address in the 2nd input box which is below the 1st, any keyboard entry results in the first email address being cleared and the cursor returning to the 1st input box. This began occurring with the 3.13 version, I believe. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From pf at pfortin.com Fri Jan 8 01:44:19 2016 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 19:44:19 -0500 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3593] New: Wont take more than one email address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160107194419.1ae93e4a@pfortin.com> On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 23:34:07 +0000 noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: >http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3593 > > Bug ID: 3593 > Summary: Wont take more than one email address > Classification: Unclassified > Product: Claws Mail (Windows) > Version: 3.13.1 > Hardware: PC > OS: Windows 7 > Status: NEW > Severity: normal > Priority: P3 > Component: default > Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org > Reporter: wazz at ellijay.com > >When composing an email, trying to enter a second email address in the >2nd input box which is below the 1st, any keyboard entry results in the >first email address being cleared and the cursor returning to the 1st >input box. > >This began occurring with the 3.13 version, I believe. Unless this is a real bug in the Windows version; is it possible to color the scroll bar a bright red/orange and add flashing neon arrows pointing to it? :D From rod_myers at fastmail.fm Fri Jan 8 02:25:58 2016 From: rod_myers at fastmail.fm (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 20:25:58 -0500 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg Message-ID: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> claws-mail 3.13.1 gnupg 2.18 gpg --version gpg (GnuPG) 2.1.8 libgcrypt 1.6.4 Copyright (C) 2015 Free Software Foundation, Inc. License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Just moved from debian fo FreeBSD/pscBSD, and moved my .gnupg directory as well. My old secure ring has multiple address' associated with it. What is the preferred method of signing and encrypting email messages? pgp-mime pgp-inline I'm having difficulty getting claws to encrypt, but more importantly sign outgoing email. pgp-mime signature failed: Data signing failed, No secret key pgp-inline signature failed: Data signing failed, No secret key On the 2 accounts I am using the have the same settings in the the privacy settings; "pgp-mime" or "pgp-inline" And the plugin -> pgp default key Not sure what I am missing. -- Rodney D. Myers - kg6anx They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.         Ben Franklin - 1759 From rezso at rezso.net Fri Jan 8 02:39:46 2016 From: rezso at rezso.net (=?UTF-8?B?UMOhZGVyIFJlenPFkQ==?=) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 02:39:46 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg In-Reply-To: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> Message-ID: <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> > pgp-mime > signature failed: Data signing failed, No secret key > > pgp-inline > signature failed: Data signing failed, No secret key You moved your secret key also? To export it (on debian): gpg --export-secret-key -a > secret.key To import it (on bsd): gpg --import secret.key -- Regards, Rezső -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The private key (secring.gpg) in the above folder must be -rw------- -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/games/fortune -es says: The Martian Canals were clearly the Martian's last ditch effort! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rod_myers at fastmail.fm Fri Jan 8 02:54:14 2016 From: rod_myers at fastmail.fm (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 20:54:14 -0500 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg In-Reply-To: <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> Message-ID: <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 02:39:46 +0100 Páder Rezső wrote: > > pgp-mime > > signature failed: Data signing failed, No secret key > > > > pgp-inline > > signature failed: Data signing failed, No secret key > > You moved your secret key also? > To export it (on debian): gpg --export-secret-key -a > secret.key > To import it (on bsd): gpg --import secret.key > Just double-checked. Yes, exported from debian and imported to pcBSD = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Michael Rasmussen wrote: > Is the .gnupg folder on the *BSD machine has the following: > drwx------ 5 [your user] [your group] 4096 Jan 7 17:03 . > > The private key (secring.gpg) in the above folder must be -rw------- Yes drwx------ 3 13 Jan 7 20:10 .gnupg -- Rodney D. Myers - kg6anx They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.         Ben Franklin - 1759 From mailinglists at xgm.de Fri Jan 8 10:08:50 2016 From: mailinglists at xgm.de (Florian Lindner) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:08:50 +0100 Subject: [Users] Order of accounts Message-ID: <20160108100850.195b13a1@asaru> Hello, I'm using 3.13.1. How can I change the order in which the accounts are displayed in folder list? I assume that it should be Configuration -> Edit Accounts and use up and down there. But changing this has no effect on the folder list. Thanks, Florian From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 8 10:14:11 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 09:14:11 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3592] cannot set toplevel folder's colour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3592 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|normal |enhancement --- Comment #2 from Ricardo Mones --- As Chris Hirst pointed out on mailing list I completely overlook the label on the dialogue which says the preferences won't be saved. Changing it to a feature request ;-) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From ricardo at mones.org Fri Jan 8 10:17:13 2016 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:17:13 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3592] New: cannot set toplevel folder's colour In-Reply-To: <20160107171448.6ed295fb@chris-HP> References: <20160107171448.6ed295fb@chris-HP> Message-ID: <20160108091713.GJ18276@busgosu.mones.org> On Thu, Jan 07, 2016 at 05:14:48PM +0000, Chris Hirst wrote: > By the way, > > There is a warning message on the dialogue that states the 'top > folder' colour will not change. Indeed, I was pretty blind yesterday. Bug updated to RFE, thanks! :) -- Ricardo Mones ~ Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it. Richard Feynman -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Fri Jan 8 10:25:29 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:25:29 +0100 Subject: [Users] Order of accounts In-Reply-To: <20160108100850.195b13a1@asaru> References: <20160108100850.195b13a1@asaru> Message-ID: <20160108102529.3aab2771@archlinux.localdomain> On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:08:50 +0100, Florian Lindner wrote: >I'm using 3.13.1. > >How can I change the order in which the accounts are displayed in >folder list? > >I assume that it should be Configuration -> Edit Accounts and use up >and down there. But changing this has no effect on the folder list. That's whre you can change the order of accounts, but you likely want to change the order of your mail boxes. File > Change mailbox order... Assumed you assigned folders to your accounts and want to change their order you need to rename them. Folder order is lexical, so to change this you need to rename the folder by, e.g. beginn a folder name with a number. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 8 10:27:51 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 09:27:51 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3593] Wont take more than one email address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3593 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #1 from Paul --- See the scrollbar to the right when you enter the 2nd address. Scroll up to see the 1st address. Consider making this area of the Compose window larger for yourself by using the grab bar below. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 8 10:30:40 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:30:40 +0000 Subject: [Users] Order of accounts In-Reply-To: <20160108100850.195b13a1@asaru> References: <20160108100850.195b13a1@asaru> Message-ID: <20160108093040.0d1dca07@kujata> On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:08:50 +0100 Florian Lindner wrote: > How can I change the order in which the accounts are displayed in > folder list? /File/Change Mailbox order. They are mailboxes, not accounts. with regards Paul From soldes at gmx.fr Fri Jan 8 15:34:26 2016 From: soldes at gmx.fr (KA) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 15:34:26 +0100 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translation) Message-ID: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> Hi All >Problem The Trash button on the main screen (top left) is incorrectly named (at least in Spanish). It should be "Borrar" (Delete) and not "Papelera" (Trash) >Why Because it has the very same label as the icon in the Folder pane (on the left) >Impact When you want to access the Trash folder you can by mistake press the wrong button an delete the current message >Workaround Replace the current incorrect lablel with the good one by default in the future versions (and/or change the default icone set with a red cross for example) >Fix I propose to change the label by default e.g : French : Corbeille to Effacer ==> needs to be double checked since my MUA is in Spanish English : Trash to Delete ==> needs to be double checked since my MUA is in Spanish Spanish : Papelera to Borrar >Attached A screenshot of what I believe that would be correct >Version Claws Mail version 3.12.0 Información del sistema GTK+ 2.24.28 / GLib 2.46.1 Localización: es_ES.UTF-8 (caracteres: UTF-8) Sistema operativo: Linux 4.2.0-23-generic (x86_64) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: trash.png Type: image/png Size: 45207 bytes Desc: not available URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 8 16:29:43 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 15:29:43 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3594] New: IMAP SSL connection crash Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3594 Bug ID: 3594 Summary: IMAP SSL connection crash Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.9.0 Hardware: HP OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: blocker Priority: P3 Component: Folders/IMAP Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: rrosmanov at gmail.com Claws Mail crashes when I choose Message - Receive - Get from current account (Ctrl - I). GDB output: ``` $ gdb claws-mail GNU gdb (Gentoo 7.10.1 vanilla) 7.10.1 Copyright (C) 2015 Free Software Foundation, Inc. License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type "show copying" and "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "x86_64-pc-linux-gnu". Type "show configuration" for configuration details. For bug reporting instructions, please see: . Find the GDB manual and other documentation resources online at: . For help, type "help". Type "apropos word" to search for commands related to "word"... Reading symbols from claws-mail...Reading symbols from /usr/lib64/debug//usr/bin/claws-mail.debug...(no debugging symbols found)...done. (no debugging symbols found)...done. (gdb) r Starting program: /usr/bin/claws-mail [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] Using host libthread_db library "/lib64/libthread_db.so.1". [New Thread 0x7fffe8996700 (LWP 14348)] [New Thread 0x7fffe34a9700 (LWP 14350)] ** (claws-mail:14343): WARNING **: IMAP: can't get cert Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x00007ffff2b3b584 in free () from /lib64/libc.so.6 (gdb) bt #0 0x00007ffff2b3b584 in free () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #1 0x00000000005bb981 in imap_threaded_connect_ssl () #2 0x000000000049f8c8 in imap_session_get () #3 0x00000000004a1208 in imap_scan_required () #4 0x0000000000497836 in folderview_check_new () #5 0x00000000004ae56c in inc_account_mail_real () #6 0x00000000004aec4d in inc_mail () #7 0x00007ffff376e2b5 in g_closure_invoke () from /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #8 0x00007ffff377ffac in signal_emit_unlocked_R () from /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #9 0x00007ffff3788634 in g_signal_emit_valist () from /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #10 0x00007ffff3788897 in g_signal_emit () from /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #11 0x00007ffff6fbf680 in _gtk_action_emit_activate () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #12 0x00007ffff6fbfe29 in closure_accel_activate () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #13 0x00007ffff376e2b5 in g_closure_invoke () from /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #14 0x00007ffff377ffac in signal_emit_unlocked_R () from /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #15 0x00007ffff3788144 in g_signal_emit_valist () from /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #16 0x00007ffff3788897 in g_signal_emit () from /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #17 0x00007ffff6fba82e in gtk_accel_group_activate () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #18 0x00007ffff6fbbc01 in gtk_accel_groups_activate () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #19 0x00007ffff71aa865 in gtk_window_activate_key () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #20 0x00007ffff71aa8e1 in gtk_window_key_press_event () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #21 0x00007ffff707d5df in _gtk_marshal_BOOLEAN__BOXED () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #22 0x00007ffff376e2b5 in g_closure_invoke () from /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #23 0x00007ffff377fea2 in signal_emit_unlocked_R () from /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #24 0x00007ffff3788144 in g_signal_emit_valist () from /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #25 0x00007ffff3788897 in g_signal_emit () from /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 #26 0x00007ffff719463c in gtk_widget_event_internal () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #27 0x00007ffff707bdff in gtk_propagate_event () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #28 0x00007ffff707c1bb in gtk_main_do_event () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #29 0x00007ffff6cf129c in gdk_event_dispatch () from /usr/lib64/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 #30 0x00007ffff346d8ed in g_main_context_dispatch () from /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 ---Type to continue, or q to quit--- #31 0x00007ffff346dbd0 in g_main_context_iterate.isra () from /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 #32 0x00007ffff346def2 in g_main_loop_run () from /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 #33 0x00007ffff707b137 in gtk_main () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 #34 0x0000000000446832 in main () ``` -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 8 16:48:55 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 15:48:55 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3594] IMAP SSL connection crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3594 Andrej Kacian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian --- I think this may have been fixed in commit http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0c17cd08e482dbda407dabdc952dfcf5d8fdb6e, not long after 3.9.0 release. Anyway, version 3.9.0 is almost two years old now, I suggest updating to a more recent version. Feel free to reopen this bug report if the crash still happens after an upgrade. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 8 16:52:02 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 15:52:02 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3594] IMAP SSL connection crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3594 --- Comment #2 from Andrej Kacian --- Actually, I got the timeline a bit wrong - 3.9.0 came out in 2012, and the commit I referenced was made in 2014. The upgrade suggestion still stands, though. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 8 20:00:25 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:00:25 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3591] complains about missing pthreadGC2.dll on startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3591 --- Comment #3 from Bruce Bowler --- Must have been the case. Manually cleaned out the old claws stuff, reinstalled, and all is good now. Sorry for the false alarm. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 8 20:00:43 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:00:43 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3591] complains about missing pthreadGC2.dll on startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3591 Bruce Bowler changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From edodd55 at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 21:13:41 2016 From: edodd55 at gmail.com (Liz) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 07:13:41 +1100 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translation) In-Reply-To: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> Message-ID: <20160109071341.0f36d04a.edodd55@gmail.com> On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 15:34:26 +0100 KA wrote: > Hi All > > >Problem > The Trash button on the main screen (top left) is incorrectly named > (at least in Spanish). It should be "Borrar" (Delete) and not > "Papelera" (Trash) > > >Why > Because it has the very same label as the icon in the Folder pane > (on the left) > > >Impact > When you want to access the Trash folder you can by mistake press the > wrong button an delete the current message > > >Workaround > Replace the current incorrect lablel with the good one by default in > the future versions (and/or change the default icone set with a red > cross for example) > > >Fix > I propose to change the label by default e.g : > French : Corbeille to Effacer ==> needs to be double checked since my > MUA is in Spanish English : Trash to Delete ==> needs to be double > checked since my MUA is in Spanish Spanish : Papelera to Borrar > > >Attached > A screenshot of what I believe that would be correct > > Your understanding of "Delete" differs from mine. Delete means the email is completely gone. The "Trash" is not the same as "Delete". Trash is a half-way place. The email is simply moved to another folder, with specific properties appropriate for unwanted mail. It can be moved back, but there is no such option if I delete the mail. So if you "by mistake press the wrong button and delete the current message" you are not deleting the message, just moving it. Liz From soldes at gmx.fr Fri Jan 8 21:26:56 2016 From: soldes at gmx.fr (KA) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 21:26:56 +0100 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translation) In-Reply-To: <20160109071341.0f36d04a.edodd55@gmail.com> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> <20160109071341.0f36d04a.edodd55@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20160108212656.50c8e484@kaxu> Hi Liz, I understand your point. However, this button with this icon, IMHO, can be confused with the one on the left pane that is to "see" what is in the trash directory (both have the same name and same icon despite one is for an action "trashing" the other is of a folder). Regards, KA ----------Original Message---------- El Sat, 9 Jan 2016 07:13:41 +1100 Liz escribió: > On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 15:34:26 +0100 > KA wrote: > > > Hi All > > > > >Problem > > The Trash button on the main screen (top left) is incorrectly named > > (at least in Spanish). It should be "Borrar" (Delete) and not > > "Papelera" (Trash) > > > > >Why > > Because it has the very same label as the icon in the Folder pane > > (on the left) > > > > >Impact > > When you want to access the Trash folder you can by mistake press the > > wrong button an delete the current message > > > > >Workaround > > Replace the current incorrect lablel with the good one by default in > > the future versions (and/or change the default icone set with a red > > cross for example) > > > > >Fix > > I propose to change the label by default e.g : > > French : Corbeille to Effacer ==> needs to be double checked since my > > MUA is in Spanish English : Trash to Delete ==> needs to be double > > checked since my MUA is in Spanish Spanish : Papelera to Borrar > > > > >Attached > > A screenshot of what I believe that would be correct > > > > > > Your understanding of "Delete" differs from mine. > Delete means the email is completely gone. > The "Trash" is not the same as "Delete". Trash is a half-way place. The > email is simply moved to another folder, with specific properties > appropriate for unwanted mail. It can be moved back, but there is no > such option if I delete the mail. > > So if you "by mistake press the wrong button and delete the current > message" you are not deleting the message, just moving it. > > Liz > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From chrisretusn at bluehome.net Sat Jan 9 05:43:34 2016 From: chrisretusn at bluehome.net (Chris Schrauben) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:43:34 +0800 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translation) In-Reply-To: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> Message-ID: <20160109124334.6978d320@racermach> On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 15:34:26 +0100 KA wrote: > Hi All > > >Problem > The Trash button on the main screen (top left) is incorrectly named > (at least in Spanish). It should be "Borrar" (Delete) and not > "Papelera" (Trash) > > >Why > Because it has the very same label as the icon in the Folder pane > (on the left) > > >Impact > When you want to access the Trash folder you can by mistake press the > wrong button an delete the current message > > >Workaround > Replace the current incorrect lablel with the good one by default in > the future versions (and/or change the default icone set with a red > cross for example) > > >Fix > I propose to change the label by default e.g : > French : Corbeille to Effacer ==> needs to be double checked since my > MUA is in Spanish English : Trash to Delete ==> needs to be double > checked since my MUA is in Spanish Spanish : Papelera to Borrar > > >Attached > A screenshot of what I believe that would be correct > > The Trash folder is were messages go when using the Trash button, both having the same icon makes sense (to me at least). If the name is changed to Delete, then what name should the Delete button get. There is a Delete button, the icon looks like a shredder. Look in Configuration, Preferences under Toolbars. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 9 10:00:09 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2016 09:00:09 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3591] complains about missing pthreadGC2.dll on startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3591 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Resolution|FIXED |INVALID -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From soldes at gmx.fr Sat Jan 9 13:05:11 2016 From: soldes at gmx.fr (KA) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 13:05:11 +0100 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translation) In-Reply-To: <20160109124334.6978d320@racermach> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> <20160109124334.6978d320@racermach> Message-ID: <20160109130511.1cad6080@kaxu> > The Trash folder is were messages go when using the Trash button, both > having the same icon makes sense (to me at least). If the name is > changed to Delete, then what name should the Delete button get. There > is a Delete button, the icon looks like a shredder. Look in > Configuration, Preferences under Toolbars. Hi, The Trash folder is a location, a directory : it could be called "Recycle bin". The Delete button is an action : it should be called "Delete" or "Trash". Hopefully since Claws-Mail is extremely configurable and I modify the names accordingly on mine right after my first mistake : I clicked on "Delete" button to see the content of the recycle bin, it deleted the first message. Fyi, I use Spanish configuration both were called "Papelera" (name that means "bin"), now the top button is called "Borrar" (verb that means "delete"). Rgds KA ----------Original Message---------- El Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:43:34 +0800 Chris Schrauben escribió: > On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 15:34:26 +0100 > KA wrote: > > > Hi All > > > > >Problem > > The Trash button on the main screen (top left) is incorrectly named > > (at least in Spanish). It should be "Borrar" (Delete) and not > > "Papelera" (Trash) > > > > >Why > > Because it has the very same label as the icon in the Folder pane > > (on the left) > > > > >Impact > > When you want to access the Trash folder you can by mistake press the > > wrong button an delete the current message > > > > >Workaround > > Replace the current incorrect lablel with the good one by default in > > the future versions (and/or change the default icone set with a red > > cross for example) > > > > >Fix > > I propose to change the label by default e.g : > > French : Corbeille to Effacer ==> needs to be double checked since my > > MUA is in Spanish English : Trash to Delete ==> needs to be double > > checked since my MUA is in Spanish Spanish : Papelera to Borrar > > > > >Attached > > A screenshot of what I believe that would be correct > > > > > The Trash folder is were messages go when using the Trash button, both > having the same icon makes sense (to me at least). If the name is > changed to Delete, then what name should the Delete button get. There > is a Delete button, the icon looks like a shredder. Look in > Configuration, Preferences under Toolbars. > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From rod_myers at fastmail.fm Sat Jan 9 13:06:59 2016 From: rod_myers at fastmail.fm (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 07:06:59 -0500 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg In-Reply-To: <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> Message-ID: <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 20:54:14 -0500 "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: > On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 02:39:46 +0100 > Páder Rezső wrote: > > > > pgp-mime > > > signature failed: Data signing failed, No secret key > > > > > > pgp-inline > > > signature failed: Data signing failed, No secret key > > > > You moved your secret key also? > > To export it (on debian): gpg --export-secret-key -a > secret.key > > To import it (on bsd): gpg --import secret.key > > > > Just double-checked. Yes, exported from debian and imported to pcBSD > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > Michael Rasmussen wrote: > > > Is the .gnupg folder on the *BSD machine has the following: > > drwx------ 5 [your user] [your group] 4096 Jan 7 17:03 . > > > > The private key (secring.gpg) in the above folder must be -rw------- > > Yes > > drwx------ 3 13 Jan 7 20:10 .gnupg Sill getting the error message; -- Rodney D. Myers - kg6anx They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.         Ben Franklin - 1759 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1.png Type: image/png Size: 212441 bytes Desc: not available URL: From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 9 13:28:41 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:28:41 +0000 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg In-Reply-To: <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> Message-ID: <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 07:06:59 -0500 "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: > Sill getting the error message; Does gpg work on the command line? Have you installed a graphical pinentry for gnupg-agent? Have you set up gnupg-agent correctly? with regards Paul From linux at slavino.sk Sat Jan 9 13:38:15 2016 From: linux at slavino.sk (Slavko) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 13:38:15 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg In-Reply-To: <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> Message-ID: <20160109133815.0d3247bf@bonifac.skk> Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 9 Jan 2016 07:06:59 -0500 "Rodney D. Myers" napísal: > Sill getting the error message; Please, can you (in future) send even bigger images? We all want to see your panel, folder tree and button theme :P regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 455 bytes Desc: Digitálny podpis OpenPGP URL: From rod_myers at fastmail.fm Sat Jan 9 13:53:13 2016 From: rod_myers at fastmail.fm (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 07:53:13 -0500 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg In-Reply-To: <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> Message-ID: <20160109075313.25cb9ad8@bsd-laptop> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:28:41 +0000 Paul wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 07:06:59 -0500 > "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: > > > Sill getting the error message; > > Does gpg work on the command line? > Have you installed a graphical pinentry for gnupg-agent? > Have you set up gnupg-agent correctly? > > with regards > > Paul Yes, I have gpg functioning from the command line. I can list keys, export keys, and encrypt a text file (both ascii and non-ascii) I have pinetry-gtk2, pinetry-tty, pinetry-curses, and pinetry-gnome3 As for the gpupg-agent, I believe so -- Rodney D. Myers - kg6anx They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.         Ben Franklin - 1759 From rod_myers at fastmail.fm Sat Jan 9 13:54:12 2016 From: rod_myers at fastmail.fm (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 07:54:12 -0500 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg In-Reply-To: <20160109133815.0d3247bf@bonifac.skk> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> <20160109133815.0d3247bf@bonifac.skk> Message-ID: <20160109075412.71b3347a@bsd-laptop> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 13:38:15 +0100 Slavko wrote: > Please, can you (in future) send even bigger images? We all > want to see your panel, folder tree and button theme :P For you, anything ;-) Still getting the hang of the nuances of pcBSD, will look closer in the future -- Rodney D. Myers - kg6anx They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.         Ben Franklin - 1759 From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 9 15:32:09 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 14:32:09 +0000 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg In-Reply-To: <20160109075313.25cb9ad8@bsd-laptop> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> <20160109075313.25cb9ad8@bsd-laptop> Message-ID: <20160109143209.316fc065@kujata> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 07:53:13 -0500 "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: > Yes, I have gpg functioning from the command line. I can list keys, > export keys, and encrypt a text file (both ascii and non-ascii) But can you sign? (You were talking about signing.) with regards Paul From rod_myers at fastmail.fm Sat Jan 9 17:00:58 2016 From: rod_myers at fastmail.fm (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:00:58 -0500 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg In-Reply-To: <20160109143209.316fc065@kujata> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> <20160109075313.25cb9ad8@bsd-laptop> <20160109143209.316fc065@kujata> Message-ID: <20160109110058.720f9124@bsd-laptop> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 14:32:09 +0000 Paul wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 07:53:13 -0500 > "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: > > > Yes, I have gpg functioning from the command line. I can list keys, > > export keys, and encrypt a text file (both ascii and non-ascii) > > But can you sign? (You were talking about signing.) > > with regards > > Paul obviously not; gpg --sign Test.txt gpg: signing failed: No secret key gpg: signing failed: No secret key I still have the secring.pgp and files in the; ls -la .gnupg/private-keys-v1.d/ total 44 drwx------ 2 rodney rodney 8 Jan 7 20:09 . drwx------ 3 rodney rodney 13 Jan 9 07:49 .. -rw------- 1 rodney rodney 679 Jan 7 19:38 00DA9EC13B8E23B8A4D8A726111981382C7A819C.key -rw------- 1 rodney rodney 1418 Jan 7 20:09 5888D4118CB1F3A0897ED0EB7410B5523295A9A8.key -rw------- 1 rodney rodney 794 Jan 7 19:38 6B3BA61A3ADBB83FBAD25E9D4717D9960B7A096E.key -rw------- 1 rodney rodney 1418 Jan 7 20:09 79EC50962F6432BC8268F1B439C389DAE10B03DF.key -rw------- 1 rodney rodney 680 Jan 7 19:38 C081810783A0307902093E83951F51051E7A989A.key -rw------- 1 rodney rodney 680 Jan 7 19:38 E387AF17CD4DEE13F765062E83C0A984D909F0C9.key Now I'm even more lost -- Rodney D. Myers - kg6anx They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.         Ben Franklin - 1759 From andrej at kacian.sk Sat Jan 9 17:15:26 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 17:15:26 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg In-Reply-To: <20160109110058.720f9124@bsd-laptop> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> <20160109075313.25cb9ad8@bsd-laptop> <20160109143209.316fc065@kujata> <20160109110058.720f9124@bsd-laptop> Message-ID: <20160109171526.137a6895@penny> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:00:58 -0500 "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: > gpg --sign Test.txt > gpg: signing failed: No secret key > gpg: signing failed: No secret key What does "gpg --list-secret-keys" output? Do you see your secret key there? If not, then you haven't imported them properly. Regards, -- Andrej From mir at miras.org Sat Jan 9 17:39:58 2016 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 17:39:58 +0100 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg In-Reply-To: <20160109110058.720f9124@bsd-laptop> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> <20160109075313.25cb9ad8@bsd-laptop> <20160109143209.316fc065@kujata> <20160109110058.720f9124@bsd-laptop> Message-ID: <20160109173958.1aba2390@sleipner.datanom.net> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:00:58 -0500 "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: > > obviously not; > > gpg --sign Test.txt > gpg: signing failed: No secret key > gpg: signing failed: No secret key > > I still have the secring.pgp and files in the; > secring.gpg needs to be in .gnupg and not .gnupg/private-keys-v1.d -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/games/fortune -es says: "He was a modest, good-humored boy. It was Oxford that made him insufferable." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rod_myers at fastmail.fm Sat Jan 9 17:45:52 2016 From: rod_myers at fastmail.fm (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:45:52 -0500 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg In-Reply-To: <20160109173958.1aba2390@sleipner.datanom.net> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> <20160109075313.25cb9ad8@bsd-laptop> <20160109143209.316fc065@kujata> <20160109110058.720f9124@bsd-laptop> <20160109173958.1aba2390@sleipner.datanom.net> Message-ID: <20160109114552.360844db@bsd-laptop> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 17:39:58 +0100 Michael Rasmussen wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:00:58 -0500 > "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: > > > > > obviously not; > > > > gpg --sign Test.txt > > gpg: signing failed: No secret key > > gpg: signing failed: No secret key > > > > I still have the secring.pgp and files in the; > > > secring.gpg needs to be in .gnupg and not .gnupg/private-keys-v1.d > It is. didn't mean to give them impression it's not. -- Rodney D. Myers - kg6anx They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.         Ben Franklin - 1759 From rod_myers at fastmail.fm Sat Jan 9 17:49:48 2016 From: rod_myers at fastmail.fm (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:49:48 -0500 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg In-Reply-To: <20160109171526.137a6895@penny> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> <20160109075313.25cb9ad8@bsd-laptop> <20160109143209.316fc065@kujata> <20160109110058.720f9124@bsd-laptop> <20160109171526.137a6895@penny> Message-ID: <20160109114948.60e9c81e@bsd-laptop> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 17:15:26 +0100 Andrej Kacian wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:00:58 -0500 > "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: > > > gpg --sign Test.txt > > gpg: signing failed: No secret key > > gpg: signing failed: No secret key > > What does "gpg --list-secret-keys" output? Do you see your secret key > there? If not, then you haven't imported them properly. > > Regards, gpg --list-secret-keys /usr/home/rodney/.gnupg/pubring.gpg ----------------------------------- sec *******/******** 2001-11-21 uid [ultimate] Rodney D. Myers uid [ultimate] Rodney D. Myers uid [ultimate] Rodney D. Myers uid [ultimate] Rodney D. Myers uid [ultimate] Rodney D. Myers uid [ultimate] Rodney D. Myers uid [ultimate] Rodney D. Myers uid [ultimate] Rodney D. Myers uid [ultimate] [jpeg image of size 20850] uid [ultimate] Rodney D. Myers uid [ultimate] [jpeg image of size 7742] uid [ultimate] Rodney D. Myers ssb *******/******** 2001-11-21 ssb *******/******** 2004-02-27 ssb *******/******** 2005-08-29 ssb# *******/******** 2007-03-03 sec *******/******** 2014-08-15 uid [ultimate] Rodney D. Myers ssb *******/******** 2014-08-15 it just shows what is listed in the pubring.gpg, unless I'm reading this incorrectly. -- Rodney D. Myers - kg6anx They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.         Ben Franklin - 1759 From rod_myers at fastmail.fm Sat Jan 9 18:07:38 2016 From: rod_myers at fastmail.fm (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:07:38 -0500 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg In-Reply-To: <20160109171526.137a6895@penny> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> <20160109075313.25cb9ad8@bsd-laptop> <20160109143209.316fc065@kujata> <20160109110058.720f9124@bsd-laptop> <20160109171526.137a6895@penny> Message-ID: <20160109120738.2075d4ba@bsd-laptop> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 17:15:26 +0100 Andrej Kacian wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:00:58 -0500 > "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: > > > gpg --sign Test.txt > > gpg: signing failed: No secret key > > gpg: signing failed: No secret key > > What does "gpg --list-secret-keys" output? Do you see your secret key > there? If not, then you haven't imported them properly. > > Regards, on the debian machine, I've run; gpg --export-secret-keys > secret.asc on the pcBSD machine I've run; gpg --allow-secret-key-import --import secret.key gpg: key ********: "Rodney D. Myers " not changed gpg: key ********: secret key imported gpg: key ********: "Rodney D. Myers " not changed gpg: key ********: secret key imported gpg: Total number processed: 8 gpg: unchanged: 2 gpg: secret keys read: 8 gpg: secret keys unchanged: 6 and I still get the following; gpg --sign Test.txt gpg: signing failed: No secret key gpg: signing failed: No secret key -- Rodney D. Myers - kg6anx They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.         Ben Franklin - 1759 From brad at fineby.me.uk Sat Jan 9 18:22:41 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 17:22:41 +0000 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg In-Reply-To: <20160109114948.60e9c81e@bsd-laptop> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> <20160109075313.25cb9ad8@bsd-laptop> <20160109143209.316fc065@kujata> <20160109110058.720f9124@bsd-laptop> <20160109171526.137a6895@penny> <20160109114948.60e9c81e@bsd-laptop> Message-ID: <20160109172241.1dc2b8a1@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:49:48 -0500 "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: Hello Rodney, >it just shows what is listed in the pubring.gpg, unless I'm reading >this incorrectly. This may indicate that your secret key was not imported correctly. Here, I see details about the key ID, size, creation and expiry dates. No mention at all of pubkeys. /home/brad/.gnupg/secring.gpg ----------------------------- sec 2048R/174D31C1 2009-05-07 [expires: 2017-05-05] uid Brad Rogers -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Only the wounded remain, the generals have all left the game Generals - The Damned -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rod_myers at fastmail.fm Sat Jan 9 18:35:48 2016 From: rod_myers at fastmail.fm (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:35:48 -0500 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg In-Reply-To: <20160109172241.1dc2b8a1@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> <20160109075313.25cb9ad8@bsd-laptop> <20160109143209.316fc065@kujata> <20160109110058.720f9124@bsd-laptop> <20160109171526.137a6895@penny> <20160109114948.60e9c81e@bsd-laptop> <20160109172241.1dc2b8a1@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: <20160109123548.2bfde89d@bsd-laptop> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 17:22:41 +0000 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:49:48 -0500 > "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: > > Hello Rodney, > > >it just shows what is listed in the pubring.gpg, unless I'm reading > >this incorrectly. > > This may indicate that your secret key was not imported correctly. > Here, I see details about the key ID, size, creation and expiry dates. > No mention at all of pubkeys. > > /home/brad/.gnupg/secring.gpg > ----------------------------- > sec 2048R/174D31C1 2009-05-07 [expires: 2017-05-05] > uid Brad Rogers > > Which I believe this is; sec rsa2048/******** 2014-08-15 uid [ultimate] Rodney D. Myers ssb rsa2048/******** 2014-08-15 Not sure it's being ignored because it was created using of rsa encryption method -- Rodney D. Myers - kg6anx They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.         Ben Franklin - 1759 From brad at fineby.me.uk Sat Jan 9 19:26:53 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 18:26:53 +0000 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg In-Reply-To: <20160109123548.2bfde89d@bsd-laptop> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> <20160109075313.25cb9ad8@bsd-laptop> <20160109143209.316fc065@kujata> <20160109110058.720f9124@bsd-laptop> <20160109171526.137a6895@penny> <20160109114948.60e9c81e@bsd-laptop> <20160109172241.1dc2b8a1@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160109123548.2bfde89d@bsd-laptop> Message-ID: <20160109182653.1bb16dc8@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:35:48 -0500 "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: Hello Rodney, >Which I believe this is; > >sec rsa2048/******** 2014-08-15 >uid [ultimate] Rodney D. Myers >ssb rsa2048/******** 2014-08-15 It certainly appears to be. What confuses me is that, despite you issuing a list-secret-keys command, gpg's output printed the path to pubring followed by pubkey data. I didn't get any of that. >Not sure it's being ignored because it was created using of rsa >encryption method What has gone from GPG 2.1 is support for PGP-2 keys. What implication that has WRT to RSA, IDK. RSA is okay in v2.0. Running --version will list what algorithms are supported. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Black man got a lot of problems, but he don't mind throwing a brick White Riot - The Clash -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rod_myers at fastmail.fm Sat Jan 9 21:42:51 2016 From: rod_myers at fastmail.fm (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 15:42:51 -0500 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg - Solved In-Reply-To: <20160109182653.1bb16dc8@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> <20160109075313.25cb9ad8@bsd-laptop> <20160109143209.316fc065@kujata> <20160109110058.720f9124@bsd-laptop> <20160109171526.137a6895@penny> <20160109114948.60e9c81e@bsd-laptop> <20160109172241.1dc2b8a1@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160109123548.2bfde89d@bsd-laptop> <20160109182653.1bb16dc8@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: <20160109154251.4766672c@bsd-laptop> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 18:26:53 +0000 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:35:48 -0500 > "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: > > Hello Rodney, > > >Which I believe this is; > > > >sec rsa2048/******** 2014-08-15 > >uid [ultimate] Rodney D. Myers > >ssb rsa2048/******** 2014-08-15 > > It certainly appears to be. What confuses me is that, despite you > issuing a list-secret-keys command, gpg's output printed the path to > pubring followed by pubkey data. I didn't get any of that. What I did. removed the local .gnupg directory then with a clean blank slate, I did; gpg --allow-secret-key-import --import secret.key This allowed the signing of a test message, and numerous test email to myself Thank you all for the invaluable assistance -- Rodney D. Myers - kg6anx They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.         Ben Franklin - 1759 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 221 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From brad at fineby.me.uk Sat Jan 9 22:10:37 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 21:10:37 +0000 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg - Solved In-Reply-To: <20160109154251.4766672c@bsd-laptop> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> <20160109075313.25cb9ad8@bsd-laptop> <20160109143209.316fc065@kujata> <20160109110058.720f9124@bsd-laptop> <20160109171526.137a6895@penny> <20160109114948.60e9c81e@bsd-laptop> <20160109172241.1dc2b8a1@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160109123548.2bfde89d@bsd-laptop> <20160109182653.1bb16dc8@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160109154251.4766672c@bsd-laptop> Message-ID: <20160109211037.770ed4b9@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 15:42:51 -0500 "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: Hello Rodney, >This allowed the signing of a test message, and numerous test email to >myself It looks good from here, too. Glad you're sorted. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I'm not here for your entertainment U & Ur Hand - P!nk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rod_myers at fastmail.fm Sat Jan 9 23:51:45 2016 From: rod_myers at fastmail.fm (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 17:51:45 -0500 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg - Solved In-Reply-To: <20160109211037.770ed4b9@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> <20160109075313.25cb9ad8@bsd-laptop> <20160109143209.316fc065@kujata> <20160109110058.720f9124@bsd-laptop> <20160109171526.137a6895@penny> <20160109114948.60e9c81e@bsd-laptop> <20160109172241.1dc2b8a1@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160109123548.2bfde89d@bsd-laptop> <20160109182653.1bb16dc8@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160109154251.4766672c@bsd-laptop> <20160109211037.770ed4b9@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: <20160109175145.039ccf60@bsd-laptop> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 21:10:37 +0000 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 15:42:51 -0500 > "Rodney D. Myers" wrote: > > Hello Rodney, > > >This allowed the signing of a test message, and numerous test email > >to myself > > It looks good from here, too. > > Glad you're sorted. > Seems debian jesse still uses 1.*, so I've never had issues. Until very recently, I've made the switch of claws-mail to pcBSD, and that's when I noticed things were not functioning as they had. -- Rodney D. Myers - kg6anx They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.         Ben Franklin - 1759 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rgds, KA ----------Original Message---------- El Sun, 10 Jan 2016 11:34:39 +0100 Florian Lindner escribió: > Hello, > > is it possible to show the number of marked messages in the folder list? > (in a column just like the number of unread, total, new messages) > > Thanks, > Florian > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think you mean 'Configuration->Preferences'? -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/games/fortune -es says: When you're not looking at it, this fortune is written in FORTRAN. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Myers" wrote: Hello Rodney, >Seems debian jesse still uses 1.*, so I've never had issues. IDK why or how, but I've got both v1.4* and 2.0* installed. A simple "gpg" call will run v1.4. To use v2 I have to use "gpg2". From what I recall of reading the GnuPG users list, v1.4 is more than adequate for most people's needs. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Chose to play the fool in a six piece band What A Waste - Ian Dury And The Blockheads -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mailinglists at xgm.de Sun Jan 10 12:32:57 2016 From: mailinglists at xgm.de (Florian Lindner) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:32:57 +0100 Subject: [Users] Show number of marked messages in folder list In-Reply-To: <20160110121518.2697775d@kaxu> References: <20160110113439.04eb3cfe@horus> <20160110121518.2697775d@kaxu> Message-ID: <20160110123257.5f6b3377@horus> Am Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:15:18 +0100 schrieb KA : > Hi, > Yes, in Tools > Preferences > Just after colors section you have a screen with a drop down menu > (see my screenshot). Rgds, Hey, In the drop down box, all I find is to show either unread or unread & total messages next to the folder. In the button below: Showed columns, I neither can configure to show the number of marked messages. Best, Florian > KA > > ----------Original Message---------- > El Sun, 10 Jan 2016 11:34:39 +0100 > Florian Lindner escribió: > > > Hello, > > > > is it possible to show the number of marked messages in the folder > > list? (in a column just like the number of unread, total, new > > messages) > > > > Thanks, > > Florian > > _______________________________________________ > > Users mailing list > > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Sun Jan 10 12:44:56 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:44:56 +0100 Subject: [Users] Show number of marked messages in folder list In-Reply-To: <20160110121518.2697775d@kaxu> References: <20160110113439.04eb3cfe@horus> <20160110121518.2697775d@kaxu> Message-ID: <20160110124456.63d7abee@archlinux.localdomain> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:15:18 +0100, KA wrote: >Yes, in Tools > Preferences >Just after colors section you have a screen with a drop down menu (see >my screenshot). :D You screenshot seems to show Configuration > Preferences... > Display > Summaries > Folder List > Display message count next to folder name From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 10 12:58:07 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 11:58:07 +0000 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg - Solved In-Reply-To: <20160110111437.5034198e@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> <20160109075313.25cb9ad8@bsd-laptop> <20160109143209.316fc065@kujata> <20160109110058.720f9124@bsd-laptop> <20160109171526.137a6895@penny> <20160109114948.60e9c81e@bsd-laptop> <20160109172241.1dc2b8a1@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160109123548.2bfde89d@bsd-laptop> <20160109182653.1bb16dc8@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160109154251.4766672c@bsd-laptop> <20160109211037.770ed4b9@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160109175145.039ccf60@bsd-laptop> <20160110111437.5034198e@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: <20160110115807.3aa95f54@kujata> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 11:14:37 +0000 Brad Rogers wrote: > IDK why or how, but I've got both v1.4* and 2.0* installed. A > simple "gpg" call will run v1.4. To use v2 I have to use "gpg2". > > From what I recall of reading the GnuPG users list, v1.4 is more > than adequate for most people's needs. And since Claws Mail version 3.13.0 you can choose which one you want to use. See /Configuration/Preferences/Plugins/GPG, 'Path to GnuPG executable'. with regards Paul From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 10 13:00:30 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:00:30 +0000 Subject: [Users] Show number of marked messages in folder list In-Reply-To: <20160110113439.04eb3cfe@horus> References: <20160110113439.04eb3cfe@horus> Message-ID: <20160110120030.09f2e701@kujata> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 11:34:39 +0100 Florian Lindner wrote: > is it possible to show the number of marked messages in the folder > list? (in a column just like the number of unread, total, new > messages) No, it's not possible. The only way to see a quick count of marked messages is to open the folder and hover the cursor over the the 'xx new, xx unread, xxxx total (x,xxMB)' text and read the 'Message Summary' popup. with regards Paul From brad at fineby.me.uk Sun Jan 10 13:08:47 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:08:47 +0000 Subject: [Users] claws-mail & gnupg - Solved In-Reply-To: <20160110115807.3aa95f54@kujata> References: <20160107202558.48776a16@bsd-laptop> <20160108023946.3e8f8a08@papi.home> <20160107205414.33f708bb@bsd-laptop> <20160109070659.0e680ec4@bsd-laptop> <20160109122841.42ca3275@kujata> <20160109075313.25cb9ad8@bsd-laptop> <20160109143209.316fc065@kujata> <20160109110058.720f9124@bsd-laptop> <20160109171526.137a6895@penny> <20160109114948.60e9c81e@bsd-laptop> <20160109172241.1dc2b8a1@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160109123548.2bfde89d@bsd-laptop> <20160109182653.1bb16dc8@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160109154251.4766672c@bsd-laptop> <20160109211037.770ed4b9@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160109175145.039ccf60@bsd-laptop> <20160110111437.5034198e@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160110115807.3aa95f54@kujata> Message-ID: <20160110120847.39d70c5a@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 11:58:07 +0000 Paul wrote: Hello Paul, >And since Claws Mail version 3.13.0 you can choose which one you want >to use. See /Configuration/Preferences/Plugins/GPG, 'Path to GnuPG >executable'. I'd not seen that. Thanks, Paul. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" The deadbeats and the dispossessed, the seekers of unlikeliness Street Of Dreams - The Damned -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rhutter at posteo.de Sun Jan 10 17:00:18 2016 From: rhutter at posteo.de (Ralf Hutter) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:00:18 +0100 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translation) In-Reply-To: <20160109130511.1cad6080@kaxu> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> <20160109124334.6978d320@racermach> <20160109130511.1cad6080@kaxu> Message-ID: <20160110170018.2b105dd3@Trisdesk> Hi, same thing in German. It would make sense to call that button "Move to Trash" in order to indicate an action that is applied to the current message. That would avoid misunderstandings. In German that would be: In den Papierkorb verschieben, or shorter: In den Papierkorb. Ralf On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 13:05:11 +0100 KA wrote: > > The Trash folder is were messages go when using the Trash button, > > both having the same icon makes sense (to me at least). If the name > > is changed to Delete, then what name should the Delete button get. > > There is a Delete button, the icon looks like a shredder. Look in > > Configuration, Preferences under Toolbars. > > Hi, > The Trash folder is a location, a directory : it could be called > "Recycle bin". The Delete button is an action : it should be called > "Delete" or "Trash". Hopefully since Claws-Mail is extremely > configurable and I modify the names accordingly on mine right after > my first mistake : I clicked on "Delete" button to see the content of > the recycle bin, it deleted the first message. > > Fyi, I use Spanish configuration both were called "Papelera" (name > that means "bin"), now the top button is called "Borrar" (verb that > means "delete"). Rgds KA > > > > ----------Original Message---------- > El Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:43:34 +0800 > Chris Schrauben escribió: > > > On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 15:34:26 +0100 > > KA wrote: > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > >Problem > > > The Trash button on the main screen (top left) is incorrectly > > > named (at least in Spanish). It should be "Borrar" (Delete) and > > > not "Papelera" (Trash) > > > > > > >Why > > > Because it has the very same label as the icon in the Folder pane > > > (on the left) > > > > > > >Impact > > > When you want to access the Trash folder you can by mistake press > > > the wrong button an delete the current message > > > > > > >Workaround > > > Replace the current incorrect lablel with the good one by default > > > in the future versions (and/or change the default icone set with > > > a red cross for example) > > > > > > >Fix > > > I propose to change the label by default e.g : > > > French : Corbeille to Effacer ==> needs to be double checked > > > since my MUA is in Spanish English : Trash to Delete ==> needs to > > > be double checked since my MUA is in Spanish Spanish : Papelera > > > to Borrar > > > > > > >Attached > > > A screenshot of what I believe that would be correct > > > > > > > > The Trash folder is were messages go when using the Trash button, > > both having the same icon makes sense (to me at least). If the name > > is changed to Delete, then what name should the Delete button get. > > There is a Delete button, the icon looks like a shredder. Look in > > Configuration, Preferences under Toolbars. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Users mailing list > > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users -- Reichenbergerstr. 52 10999 Berlin Telefon: 0049 30 700 71 709 Mobil: 0049 170 10 29 335 www.twitter.com/hutternd Ich verschlüssele Emails! GPG-Key: 0x09306F61 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: not available URL: From soldes at gmx.fr Sun Jan 10 17:35:35 2016 From: soldes at gmx.fr (KA) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:35:35 +0100 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translation) In-Reply-To: <20160110170018.2b105dd3@Trisdesk> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> <20160109124334.6978d320@racermach> <20160109130511.1cad6080@kaxu> <20160110170018.2b105dd3@Trisdesk> Message-ID: <20160110173535.0a8c96c9@kaxu> Hi, I agree with Ralf "Move to Trash" or shorter "Trash-it". Regards, KA ----------Original Message---------- El Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:00:18 +0100 Ralf Hutter escribió: > Hi, > same thing in German. > It would make sense to call that button "Move to Trash" in order to > indicate an action that is applied to the current message. That would > avoid misunderstandings. > In German that would be: In den Papierkorb verschieben, or shorter: In > den Papierkorb. > Ralf > > On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 13:05:11 +0100 KA wrote: > > > > The Trash folder is were messages go when using the Trash button, > > > both having the same icon makes sense (to me at least). If the name > > > is changed to Delete, then what name should the Delete button get. > > > There is a Delete button, the icon looks like a shredder. Look in > > > Configuration, Preferences under Toolbars. > > > > Hi, > > The Trash folder is a location, a directory : it could be called > > "Recycle bin". The Delete button is an action : it should be called > > "Delete" or "Trash". Hopefully since Claws-Mail is extremely > > configurable and I modify the names accordingly on mine right after > > my first mistake : I clicked on "Delete" button to see the content of > > the recycle bin, it deleted the first message. > > > > Fyi, I use Spanish configuration both were called "Papelera" (name > > that means "bin"), now the top button is called "Borrar" (verb that > > means "delete"). Rgds KA > > > > > > > > ----------Original Message---------- > > El Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:43:34 +0800 > > Chris Schrauben escribió: > > > > > On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 15:34:26 +0100 > > > KA wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > >Problem > > > > The Trash button on the main screen (top left) is incorrectly > > > > named (at least in Spanish). It should be "Borrar" (Delete) and > > > > not "Papelera" (Trash) > > > > > > > > >Why > > > > Because it has the very same label as the icon in the Folder pane > > > > (on the left) > > > > > > > > >Impact > > > > When you want to access the Trash folder you can by mistake press > > > > the wrong button an delete the current message > > > > > > > > >Workaround > > > > Replace the current incorrect lablel with the good one by default > > > > in the future versions (and/or change the default icone set with > > > > a red cross for example) > > > > > > > > >Fix > > > > I propose to change the label by default e.g : > > > > French : Corbeille to Effacer ==> needs to be double checked > > > > since my MUA is in Spanish English : Trash to Delete ==> needs to > > > > be double checked since my MUA is in Spanish Spanish : Papelera > > > > to Borrar > > > > > > > > >Attached > > > > A screenshot of what I believe that would be correct > > > > > > > > > > > The Trash folder is were messages go when using the Trash button, > > > both having the same icon makes sense (to me at least). If the name > > > is changed to Delete, then what name should the Delete button get. > > > There is a Delete button, the icon looks like a shredder. Look in > > > Configuration, Preferences under Toolbars. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Users mailing list > > > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > > > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > > _______________________________________________ > > Users mailing list > > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > > > From linux at slavino.sk Sun Jan 10 18:06:08 2016 From: linux at slavino.sk (Slavko) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 18:06:08 +0100 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translation) In-Reply-To: <20160110173535.0a8c96c9@kaxu> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> <20160109124334.6978d320@racermach> <20160109130511.1cad6080@kaxu> <20160110170018.2b105dd3@Trisdesk> <20160110173535.0a8c96c9@kaxu> Message-ID: <20160110180608.4d666994@bonifac.skk> Ahoj, Dňa Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:35:35 +0100 KA napísal: > Hi, > I agree with Ralf "Move to Trash" or shorter "Trash-it". I maintain the Slovak translation of the C-M and i see all these as the translation issues, not C-M. I have (translated) the "Move to trash" and the "Delete" buttons. I check this in PO file too and there are different messages for these actions. The translators have a separate ML and i don't know if they read this ML too. The translator's email is (should be) in the particular PO file, try to see in the sources. regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, KA ----------Original Message---------- El Sun, 10 Jan 2016 18:06:08 +0100 Slavko escribió: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:35:35 +0100 KA napísal: > > > Hi, > > I agree with Ralf "Move to Trash" or shorter "Trash-it". > > I maintain the Slovak translation of the C-M and i see all these as the > translation issues, not C-M. > > I have (translated) the "Move to trash" and the "Delete" buttons. I > check this in PO file too and there are different messages for these > actions. > > The translators have a separate ML and i don't know if they read this > ML too. The translator's email is (should be) in the particular PO > file, try to see in the sources. > > regards > From brad at fineby.me.uk Sun Jan 10 18:25:26 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:25:26 +0000 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translation) In-Reply-To: <20160110170018.2b105dd3@Trisdesk> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> <20160109124334.6978d320@racermach> <20160109130511.1cad6080@kaxu> <20160110170018.2b105dd3@Trisdesk> Message-ID: <20160110172526.16cca6d5@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:00:18 +0100 Ralf Hutter wrote: Hello Ralf, >It would make sense to call that button "Move to Trash" in order to >indicate an action that is applied to the current message. That would >avoid misunderstandings. Most of the buttons in the toolbar imply some sort of action: (move to) Next (message) (move to) Spam (move to) Wastebin Forward (message to...) (reply to) Sender and so on. If people can figure out what the implication is for most buttons, why not all? Why single out the Trash button? Let's face it, 99% of the people that use CM are quite intelligent and fairly adept at figuring things out. Perhaps adding an arrow (as per Reply, All, Sender, Get Mail & Forward buttons) *may* be helpful, to connote an action. I'll concede that it is the odd one out in that context. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" A friend of a friend he got beaten I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bugs.michael at gmx.net Sun Jan 10 18:33:40 2016 From: bugs.michael at gmx.net (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 18:33:40 +0100 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translation) In-Reply-To: <20160108212656.50c8e484@kaxu> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> <20160109071341.0f36d04a.edodd55@gmail.com> <20160108212656.50c8e484@kaxu> Message-ID: <20160110183340.3d488838@noname> On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 21:26:56 +0100, KA wrote: > Hi Liz, > I understand your point. However, this button with this icon, IMHO, can be confused with the one on the left pane that is to "see" what is in the trash directory (both have the same name and same icon despite one is for an action "trashing" the other is of a folder). > Regards, The toolbar contains buttons to execute actions. The folder list view shows the mail folders you can work on. Let it rest. If anyone really is confused by that, it boils down to a matter of education. Documentation can explain the main window and the toolbar *and the possibility to rename a button, too. Sometimes the names of mail folders will be the same than toolbar buttons. For example, and not limited to, "Spam" and "Trash". I've even had a folder "Next" for some time. And there are more overlaps, if you add custom buttons with custom names. From soldes at gmx.fr Sun Jan 10 18:41:17 2016 From: soldes at gmx.fr (KA) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 18:41:17 +0100 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translation) In-Reply-To: <20160110172526.16cca6d5@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> <20160109124334.6978d320@racermach> <20160109130511.1cad6080@kaxu> <20160110170018.2b105dd3@Trisdesk> <20160110172526.16cca6d5@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: <20160110184117.04f573e6@kaxu> Hi Brad, I disagree with you when you say : > If people can figure out what the implication is for most buttons, why > not all? Why single out the Trash button? Because there is a trash icon folder on the left pane ... moreover with the same icon (if we consider the default buttons). That is the difference ;-) Rgds, KA ----------Original Message---------- El Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:25:26 +0000 Brad Rogers escribió: > On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 17:00:18 +0100 > Ralf Hutter wrote: > > Hello Ralf, > > >It would make sense to call that button "Move to Trash" in order to > >indicate an action that is applied to the current message. That would > >avoid misunderstandings. > > Most of the buttons in the toolbar imply some sort of action: > > (move to) Next (message) > (move to) Spam > (move to) Wastebin > Forward (message to...) > (reply to) Sender > > and so on. > > If people can figure out what the implication is for most buttons, why > not all? Why single out the Trash button? Let's face it, 99% of the > people that use CM are quite intelligent and fairly adept at figuring > things out. > > Perhaps adding an arrow (as per Reply, All, Sender, Get Mail & Forward > buttons) *may* be helpful, to connote an action. I'll concede that it is > the odd one out in that context. > From soldes at gmx.fr Sun Jan 10 18:51:54 2016 From: soldes at gmx.fr (KA) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 18:51:54 +0100 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name [SOLUTION] In-Reply-To: <20160110183340.3d488838@noname> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> <20160109071341.0f36d04a.edodd55@gmail.com> <20160108212656.50c8e484@kaxu> <20160110183340.3d488838@noname> Message-ID: <20160110185154.2572c948@kaxu> Ok, reading you all, it starts to make sense ... So eventually Slavko was right this is a translation issue !! Why ? Because : In English, most of the time, verbs use the very same word as nouns. Example : "a trash" "to trash" Whilst on other languages, we use different nouns for example in French, "corbeille" you will absolutely never find a verb for it ... apart from "effacer" which is completely different. Now it appears that these buttons have been incorrectly translated in some non-English languages and if you want to make an action which is to open you recycle bin I am sorry but you WILL DELETE YOUR CURRENT MESSAGE, this is a fact ... So I won't make a fuss of it, I just wanted to report what occured to me and how I fixed it myself by renaming, correctly, the buttons ... Regards, KA ----------Original Message---------- El Sun, 10 Jan 2016 18:33:40 +0100 Michael Schwendt escribió: > On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 21:26:56 +0100, KA wrote: > > > Hi Liz, > > I understand your point. However, this button with this icon, IMHO, can be confused with the one on the left pane that is to "see" what is in the trash directory (both have the same name and same icon despite one is for an action "trashing" the other is of a folder). > > Regards, > > The toolbar contains buttons to execute actions. > The folder list view shows the mail folders you can work on. > > Let it rest. > > If anyone really is confused by that, it boils down to a matter of > education. Documentation can explain the main window and the toolbar > *and the possibility to rename a button, too. > > Sometimes the names of mail folders will be the same than toolbar > buttons. For example, and not limited to, "Spam" and "Trash". I've even > had a folder "Next" for some time. And there are more overlaps, if you > add custom buttons with custom names. > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Sun Jan 10 19:05:43 2016 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 11:05:43 -0700 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translation) In-Reply-To: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> Message-ID: <20160110110543.56fa78aa@whynot.keepingdreams.org> On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 15:34:26 +0100 KA wrote: >Hi All > >>Problem >The Trash button on the main screen (top left) is incorrectly named (at least in Spanish). >It should be "Borrar" (Delete) and not "Papelera" (Trash) > >>Why >Because it has the very same label as the icon in the Folder pane (on the left) > >>Impact >When you want to access the Trash folder you can by mistake press the wrong button an delete the current message > >>Workaround >Replace the current incorrect lablel with the good one by default in the future versions (and/or change the default icone set with a red cross for example) > >>Fix >I propose to change the label by default e.g : >French : Corbeille to Effacer ==> needs to be double checked since my MUA is in Spanish >English : Trash to Delete ==> needs to be double checked since my MUA is in Spanish >Spanish : Papelera to Borrar > >>Attached >A screenshot of what I believe that would be correct > > > > I have similar names in English, Trash, and a folder named Trash. However, tool tips show me that the Trash in the main screen is a verb, while a folder name is always a noun. Perhaps simply turning on tool tips will give the desired results. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] From cwallace at lodgingcompany.com Sun Jan 10 19:28:38 2016 From: cwallace at lodgingcompany.com (Chad Wallace) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 10:28:38 -0800 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name [SOLUTION] In-Reply-To: <20160110185154.2572c948@kaxu> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> <20160109071341.0f36d04a.edodd55@gmail.com> <20160108212656.50c8e484@kaxu> <20160110183340.3d488838@noname> <20160110185154.2572c948@kaxu> Message-ID: <20160110102838.6b1529e0@ws78.int.tlc> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 18:51:54 +0100 KA wrote: > Ok, reading you all, it starts to make sense ... > So eventually Slavko was right this is a translation issue !! > > Why ? > Because : > > In English, most of the time, verbs use the very same word as nouns. > Example : "a trash" "to trash" > Whilst on other languages, we use different nouns > for example in French, "corbeille" you will absolutely never find a > verb for it ... apart from "effacer" which is completely different. > > Now it appears that these buttons have been incorrectly translated in > some non-English languages and if you want to make an action which is > to open you recycle bin I am sorry but you WILL DELETE YOUR CURRENT > MESSAGE, this is a fact ... For French, I would suggest "jeter" rather than "effacer". Moving a message to trash is a different thing than deleting it. When you use the Trash button, you move the mesage to a different folder, and you can then get it back if you want to--much like if you throw something into your garbage bin at home. On the other hand, deleting a message removes it immediately and irreparably. "Delete" also has a separate menu item and icon apart from the "Trash" one, so you wouldn't want two different icons with similar names doing different things. For Spanish, maybe "descartar" or "desechar"? Basically, a word that evokes tossing something away, rather than making it not exist. I would leave the English alone, because the word "Trash" works as both a noun and a verb. > ----------Original Message---------- > El Sun, 10 Jan 2016 18:33:40 +0100 > Michael Schwendt escribió: > > > On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 21:26:56 +0100, KA wrote: > > > > > Hi Liz, > > > I understand your point. However, this button with this icon, > > > IMHO, can be confused with the one on the left pane that is to > > > "see" what is in the trash directory (both have the same name and > > > same icon despite one is for an action "trashing" the other is of > > > a folder). Regards, > > > > The toolbar contains buttons to execute actions. > > The folder list view shows the mail folders you can work on. > > > > Let it rest. > > > > If anyone really is confused by that, it boils down to a matter of > > education. Documentation can explain the main window and the toolbar > > *and the possibility to rename a button, too. > > > > Sometimes the names of mail folders will be the same than toolbar > > buttons. For example, and not limited to, "Spam" and "Trash". I've > > even had a folder "Next" for some time. And there are more > > overlaps, if you add custom buttons with custom names. -- C. Chad Wallace, B.Sc. The Lodging Company http://www.lodgingcompany.com/ OpenPGP Public Key ID: 0x262208A0 From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 10 23:30:18 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 22:30:18 +0000 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translati In-Reply-To: <20160110181607.1623ae67@kaxu> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> <20160109124334.6978d320@racermach> <20160109130511.1cad6080@kaxu> <20160110170018.2b105dd3@Trisdesk> <20160110173535.0a8c96c9@kaxu> <20160110180608.4d666994@bonifac.skk> <20160110181607.1623ae67@kaxu> Message-ID: <20160110223018.384aeae9@kujata> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 18:16:07 +0100 KA wrote: > I get your point but "Translation ML" is when it is perfect in > English in the install by default. By default one says 'Trash', the other 'Delete'. with regards Paul From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 10 23:47:01 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 22:47:01 +0000 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translation) In-Reply-To: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> Message-ID: <20160110224701.40c6ea04@kujata> On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 15:34:26 +0100 KA wrote: > English : Trash to Delete That would be totally wrong and even more misleading, if it is actually misleading now. The 'Trash' button (which has the tooltip 'Trash Message') moves messages to the Trash folder and the 'Delete' button (which has the tooltip 'Delete Message') deletes messages. with regards Paul From work at mykot.com Mon Jan 11 00:09:02 2016 From: work at mykot.com (work at mykot.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:09:02 -0700 Subject: [Users] claws mail question [solved] Sharing Claws-mail data between OS's Message-ID: <20160110160902.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.c548f6b187.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> Thanks to all for the help. Thanks particularly to Abhay for the specifics. Below is my contribution back to the community on this topic of sharing Claws-mail data between dual boot OS's (Windows and Linux). +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ How to share mail data and settings in Claws-mail on a dual boot Windows/Linux system 1 - starting in Windows, You need to locate two Claws-mail folders: a. Claws-mail - is your config directory typically in C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\ b. Mail - is your mailbox folder. (It may have multiple mailboxes) typically in C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\ as well Note: If you have multiple accounts set up, you may have other folders in that file, such as, “dad”, “mom”, etc. 2 - We need a path that can be used by both Windows and Linux. The best option is a FAT32 partition. This folder will be R/W to both systems. It will most likely be the D: drive in Windows. In Linux mount it as whatever you want. 3 - Move "Mail" (and any other mailbox folders) to D: at the root level. Do not place them within any other folder. You can do it in C: if you want to use a single partition in Windows (bad idea BTW). Pro tip: On Windows, try to keep all your personal files in a separate partition than the primary Windows system (C:). If possible, better still, a completely different drive. 4 - Now open up folderlist.xml and edit your mailbox path (line 3). It should look like this: a. ln -s /mnt/windows-C/Users/%username%/AppData/Roaming/Claws-Mail .claws-mail Makes the Linux Claws-mail settings read the Windows settings b. ln -s /mnt/windows-D D: Makes the mailbox path of D:\Mail accessible to Claws-Mail in Linux. You should probably verify that the mount is writable and in your home folder you can do "cd D:\Mail" and see your mailbox folders. That's it. Fire up Claws-mail in Linux and enjoy. 8 – Other changes that might be needed: a. If you have actions defined, copy "actionswinrc" to "actionsrc". Edit out any actions that are Windows specific, for example, those that fire a Windows command. b. Review your Accounts, especially if you had signatures configured. The windows paths won't work here. You may want to move those to the shared drive and use the same logic. c. You'll have to load-up all the plug-ins again. d. Review the fonts defined in Preferences->Display->Fonts e. If you use gpg, you'll have to symlink path to your gnupg data folder to .gnupg in your home folder as well. f. If you create any folders in Windows, you'll have to open up folderlist.xml and do a find/replace of "\" with "/". You can switch back-and-forth any time and your mail will be current in either OS. Solution provided by: "Abhay S. Kushwaha" on users-request at lists.claws-mail.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From jerry at seibercom.net Mon Jan 11 12:36:46 2016 From: jerry at seibercom.net (Jerry) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 06:36:46 -0500 Subject: [Users] claws mail question [solved] Sharing Claws-mail data between OS's In-Reply-To: <20160110160902.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.c548f6b187.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> References: <20160110160902.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.c548f6b187.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20160111063646.12cc6212@seibercom.net> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:09:02 -0700, work at mykot.com stated: >Thanks to all for the help. Thanks particularly to Abhay for the >specifics. Below is my contribution back to the community on this topic >of sharing Claws-mail data between dual boot OS's (Windows and Linux). > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >How to share mail data and settings in Claws-mail on a dual boot >Windows/Linux system > >1 - starting in Windows, You need to locate two Claws-mail folders: > a. Claws-mail - is your config directory > typically in C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\ > b. Mail - is your mailbox folder. (It may have multiple >mailboxes) > typically in C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\ as well > >Note: If you have multiple accounts set up, you may have other folders >in that file, such as, “dad”, “mom”, etc. > >2 - We need a path that can be used by both Windows and Linux. The best >option is a FAT32 partition. This folder will be R/W to both systems. >It will most likely be the D: drive in Windows. In Linux mount it as >whatever you want. > >3 - Move "Mail" (and any other mailbox folders) to D: at the root level. > Do not place them within any other folder. > >You can do it in C: if you want to use a single partition in Windows >(bad idea BTW). Pro tip: On Windows, try to keep all your personal >files in a separate partition than the primary Windows system (C:). If >possible, better still, a completely different drive. > >4 - Now open up folderlist.xml and edit your mailbox path (line 3). It >should look like this: > >Change it to: >If you have additional mailboxes, there will be additional lines futher >down in this file. You need to do this for each of them. > >Do a find/replace of "\" with "/". Replace all. > >Linux requires “/”. Windows will read either “\” or “/”. > >Save > >5 – Exit Windows and launch Linux. > >6 - Verify that you have both Windows C: and D: drives (partitions) >mounted (i.e. C: as windows-C, and D: as windows-D). Make note of the >mount path for each. > >7 – Assuming you have installed Claws-mail and started a simple mail >account, enter your /home/%user% folder. You will need to set up two >symlinks, one for the Claws-mail profile and one for Mail folder(s). > < ln (link) -s (symbolic) mount path target > > > a. ln -s /mnt/windows-C/Users/%username%/AppData/Roaming/Claws-Mail >.claws-mail >Makes the Linux Claws-mail settings read the Windows settings > > b. ln -s /mnt/windows-D D: >Makes the mailbox path of D:\Mail accessible to Claws-Mail in Linux. You >should probably verify that the mount is writable and in your home >folder you can do "cd D:\Mail" and see your mailbox folders. > >That's it. Fire up Claws-mail in Linux and enjoy. > >8 – Other changes that might be needed: >a. If you have actions defined, copy "actionswinrc" to "actionsrc". >Edit out any actions that are Windows specific, for example, those that >fire a Windows command. >b. Review your Accounts, especially if you had signatures configured. >The windows paths won't work here. You may want to move those to the >shared drive and use the same logic. >c. You'll have to load-up all the plug-ins again. >d. Review the fonts defined in Preferences->Display->Fonts >e. If you use gpg, you'll have to symlink path to your gnupg data >folder to .gnupg in your home folder as well. >f. If you create any folders in Windows, you'll have to open up >folderlist.xml and do a find/replace of "\" with "/". > >You can switch back-and-forth any time and your mail will be current in >either OS. > >Solution provided by: "Abhay S. Kushwaha" > on users-request at lists.claws-mail.org First of I, I firmly believe in the "KISS" principal. I also share several directories between Windows and Linux. After a through investigation, I found the use of BitTorrent Sync Pro to be the most advantageous way to keep multiple file directories in sync. I use it with multiple applications and it works perfectly. Just my 2¢. -- Jerry From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 11 18:47:46 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:47:46 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2234] claws-mail notification plugin miscounts new messages on freebsd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2234 --- Comment #8 from David --- Same on Debian 7.9 and 3.13.1. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From rsv869 at runbox.com Mon Jan 11 19:15:58 2016 From: rsv869 at runbox.com (Reid Vail) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 13:15:58 -0500 Subject: [Users] URL linkage to browser, broken. Message-ID: <20160111131558.4c8f39ac@rsv2-Serp7> Hello team - I'm running 3.12.0 on a new implementation of Kubuntu 15.10. Everything appears to work as expected, mostly. One think I can't do is select a URL in a message and have it open a browser window. Instead I get this error : "KDEInit could not launch "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libexec/kf5/kioexec". Any ideas would be welcome. Reid From andrej at kacian.sk Mon Jan 11 19:32:43 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 19:32:43 +0100 Subject: [Users] URL linkage to browser, broken. In-Reply-To: <20160111131558.4c8f39ac@rsv2-Serp7> References: <20160111131558.4c8f39ac@rsv2-Serp7> Message-ID: <20160111193243.5b698616@penny> On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 13:15:58 -0500 Reid Vail wrote: > Hello team - > > I'm running 3.12.0 on a new implementation of Kubuntu 15.10. Everything appears to > work as expected, mostly. One think I can't do is select a URL in a > message and have it open a browser window. Instead I get this error : "KDEInit > could not launch "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libexec/kf5/kioexec". That is something wrong with your KDE configuration - perhaps it's trying to launch a browser program that doesn't exist. It's outside of control of Claws Mail, "kioexec" is a KDE helper program used to launch new programs, or execute commands. What you can try is to disable "Use system defaults when possible" in Claws Mail preferences ("External programs" page), and use something like firefox '%s' in "Web browser" entry. Claws Mail will then try to launch the configured command itself, without handing it off to KDE. Regards, -- Andrej -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 11 20:22:10 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 19:22:10 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2234] claws-mail notification plugin miscounts new messages on freebsd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2234 --- Comment #10 from dthem --- (In reply to comment #9) > Is it possible to set the "Platform" metadata field of this bug to include > linux? It may be that developers are not giving this priority as they > believe it doesn't affect many users, as BSD has far fewer users. It's mentioned in the title also. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 11 21:01:08 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 20:01:08 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2234] claws-mail notification plugin miscounts new messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2234 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|claws-mail notification |claws-mail notification |plugin miscounts new |plugin miscounts new |messages on freebsd |messages OS|FreeBSD |All --- Comment #11 from Ricardo Mones --- (In reply to comment #10) > (In reply to comment #9) > > Is it possible to set the "Platform" metadata field of this bug to include > > linux? It may be that developers are not giving this priority as they > > believe it doesn't affect many users, as BSD has far fewer users. > > It's mentioned in the title also. Not that those things speed up fixing things here, but done ;-) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Mon Jan 11 20:41:01 2016 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 19:41:01 +0000 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translati In-Reply-To: <20160110223018.384aeae9@kujata> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> <20160109124334.6978d320@racermach> <20160109130511.1cad6080@kaxu> <20160110170018.2b105dd3@Trisdesk> <20160110173535.0a8c96c9@kaxu> <20160110180608.4d666994@bonifac.skk> <20160110181607.1623ae67@kaxu> <20160110223018.384aeae9@kujata> Message-ID: <20160111194101.00006371@prost.fenrir.org.uk> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 22:30:18 +0000 Paul wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 18:16:07 +0100 > KA wrote: > > > I get your point but "Translation ML" is when it is perfect in > > English in the install by default. > > By default one says 'Trash', the other 'Delete'. Recently the Windows version has renamed Delete to Wastebin on the toolbar. That's what you get with a new install. -- Brian From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 11 23:50:13 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 22:50:13 +0000 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translati In-Reply-To: <20160111194101.00006371@prost.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> <20160109124334.6978d320@racermach> <20160109130511.1cad6080@kaxu> <20160110170018.2b105dd3@Trisdesk> <20160110173535.0a8c96c9@kaxu> <20160110180608.4d666994@bonifac.skk> <20160110181607.1623ae67@kaxu> <20160110223018.384aeae9@kujata> <20160111194101.00006371@prost.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20160111225013.2dd4c14a@kujata> On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 19:41:01 +0000 Brian Morrison wrote: > Recently the Windows version has renamed Delete to Wastebin on the > toolbar. That's what you get with a new install. That doesn't seem possible. 'Trash' is always use in the source, and 'Wastebin' is used in the en_GB translation, but 'Wastebin' is never used for 'Delete' in the translation. with regards Paul From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Tue Jan 12 01:32:32 2016 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 00:32:32 +0000 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translati In-Reply-To: <20160111225013.2dd4c14a@kujata> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> <20160109124334.6978d320@racermach> <20160109130511.1cad6080@kaxu> <20160110170018.2b105dd3@Trisdesk> <20160110173535.0a8c96c9@kaxu> <20160110180608.4d666994@bonifac.skk> <20160110181607.1623ae67@kaxu> <20160110223018.384aeae9@kujata> <20160111194101.00006371@prost.fenrir.org.uk> <20160111225013.2dd4c14a@kujata> Message-ID: <20160112003232.00005aa9@prost.fenrir.org.uk> On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 22:50:13 +0000 Paul wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 19:41:01 +0000 > Brian Morrison wrote: > > > Recently the Windows version has renamed Delete to Wastebin on the > > toolbar. That's what you get with a new install. > > That doesn't seem possible. 'Trash' is always use in the source, and > 'Wastebin' is used in the en_GB translation, but 'Wastebin' is never > used for 'Delete' in the translation. I installed 3.13.1-2 on Windows 10 in a completely fresh install on a new laptop. It shows locale as en_GB with charset iso-8859-1. The main toolbar says Wastebin, tooltip says Move Message to Wastebin. I have not edited anything in the toolbars since installing Claws. Odd... -- Brian From soldes at gmx.fr Tue Jan 12 02:01:24 2016 From: soldes at gmx.fr (KA) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 02:01:24 +0100 Subject: [Users] Performance issues with vCalendar Message-ID: <20160112020124.7e77122b@kaxu> Hi Team, Since I started to use vCalendar, I have a major performance issue. Symptom : Launching Claws-Mail takes 10 real seconds more. Clicking on the meetings icon inside the vCalendar folder freezes Claws-Mail for another 10 seconds. (instead of 1 second before !!) What I did before to have the issue : - I sent 10 meeting calendars from my office mailbox (another MUA) - I opened web calendar links in Firefox calling Claws-Mail (without success) What I did to try to fix the issue : I removed my additional calendar. I reinstalled vCalendar plugin => all without success Pls find attached the vcalendar directory list to give you an idea of this small caldendar !! Regards, KA -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ls_vcalendar.txt URL: From andrej at kacian.sk Tue Jan 12 07:17:26 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:17:26 +0100 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translati In-Reply-To: <20160112003232.00005aa9@prost.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> <20160109124334.6978d320@racermach> <20160109130511.1cad6080@kaxu> <20160110170018.2b105dd3@Trisdesk> <20160110173535.0a8c96c9@kaxu> <20160110180608.4d666994@bonifac.skk> <20160110181607.1623ae67@kaxu> <20160110223018.384aeae9@kujata> <20160111194101.00006371@prost.fenrir.org.uk> <20160111225013.2dd4c14a@kujata> <20160112003232.00005aa9@prost.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20160112071726.32e71acc@penny> On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 00:32:32 +0000 Brian Morrison wrote: > I installed 3.13.1-2 on Windows 10 in a completely fresh install on a > new laptop. It shows locale as en_GB with charset iso-8859-1. > > The main toolbar says Wastebin, tooltip says Move Message to Wastebin. > I have not edited anything in the toolbars since installing Claws. The default toolbar button is "Trash", not "Delete". :) http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=blob;f=src/toolbar.c;hb=HEAD#l514 Regards, -- Andrej From edodd55 at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 07:59:12 2016 From: edodd55 at gmail.com (Liz) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:59:12 +1100 Subject: [Users] RSS feed list Message-ID: <20160112175912.40b08b49.edodd55@gmail.com> Restarted this afternoon, after a normal shutdown, and my rss feeds are all gone. Where will there be a backup which I can use to restore my rss feeds? Liz From andrej at kacian.sk Tue Jan 12 08:37:22 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:37:22 +0100 Subject: [Users] RSS feed list In-Reply-To: <20160112175912.40b08b49.edodd55@gmail.com> References: <20160112175912.40b08b49.edodd55@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20160112083722.000040ed@kacian.sk> On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:59:12 +1100 Liz wrote: > Restarted this afternoon, after a normal shutdown, and my rss feeds > are all gone. > > Where will there be a backup which I can use to restore my rss feeds? If you haven't restarted Claws Mail since then, all the feeds can probably still be found in ~/.claws-mail/RSSyl/rssyl-feedlist.opml, and can be imported directly from this file. Regards, -- Andrej From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 12 09:25:20 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:25:20 +0000 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translati In-Reply-To: <20160112003232.00005aa9@prost.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> <20160109124334.6978d320@racermach> <20160109130511.1cad6080@kaxu> <20160110170018.2b105dd3@Trisdesk> <20160110173535.0a8c96c9@kaxu> <20160110180608.4d666994@bonifac.skk> <20160110181607.1623ae67@kaxu> <20160110223018.384aeae9@kujata> <20160111194101.00006371@prost.fenrir.org.uk> <20160111225013.2dd4c14a@kujata> <20160112003232.00005aa9@prost.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20160112082520.759cdd6f@kujata> On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 00:32:32 +0000 Brian Morrison wrote: > The main toolbar says Wastebin, tooltip says Move Message to > Wastebin. I have not edited anything in the toolbars since > installing Claws. > > Odd... No, not odd at all. That is the 'Trash' button, not the 'Delete' button. And there is nothing recent about it. with regards Paul From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 12 09:28:38 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:28:38 +0000 Subject: [Users] Performance issues with vCalendar In-Reply-To: <20160112020124.7e77122b@kaxu> References: <20160112020124.7e77122b@kaxu> Message-ID: <20160112082838.1bb2f9d7@kujata> On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 02:01:24 +0100 KA wrote: > Since I started to use vCalendar, I have a major performance issue. > > Symptom : > Launching Claws-Mail takes 10 real seconds more. Probably this bug: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2546 with regards Paul From edodd55 at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 09:46:35 2016 From: edodd55 at gmail.com (Liz) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 19:46:35 +1100 Subject: [Users] RSS feed list In-Reply-To: <20160112083722.000040ed@kacian.sk> References: <20160112175912.40b08b49.edodd55@gmail.com> <20160112083722.000040ed@kacian.sk> Message-ID: <20160112194635.662ca2ba.edodd55@gmail.com> On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:37:22 +0100 Andrej Kacian wrote: > > Restarted this afternoon, after a normal shutdown, and my rss feeds > > are all gone. > > > > Where will there be a backup which I can use to restore my rss > > feeds? > > If you haven't restarted Claws Mail since then, all the feeds can > probably still be found in ~/.claws-mail/RSSyl/rssyl-feedlist.opml, > and can be imported directly from this file. > > Regards, I had restarted (went out for a meal) so now to find the ones I like again, and build myself a backup file :) From soldes at gmx.fr Tue Jan 12 11:40:15 2016 From: soldes at gmx.fr (KA) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 11:40:15 +0100 Subject: [Users] Performance issues with vCalendar In-Reply-To: <20160112082838.1bb2f9d7@kujata> References: <20160112020124.7e77122b@kaxu> <20160112082838.1bb2f9d7@kujata> Message-ID: <20160112114015.733c968e@kaxu> Hi Paul and team, Thanks for your feedback. >My own situation I don't think I plan to modify and compile the source. Furthermore, the fix only helps to have this issue only at a start with a refresh side effect. >Looking for a calendar alternative How do you process your invitation meetings and recurrent events ? Do you use an external dedicated tool ? Which ? Thanks, KA ----------Original Message---------- El Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:28:38 +0000 Paul escribió: > On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 02:01:24 +0100 > KA wrote: > > > Since I started to use vCalendar, I have a major performance issue. > > > > Symptom : > > Launching Claws-Mail takes 10 real seconds more. > > Probably this bug: > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2546 > > with regards > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From singpolyma at singpolyma.net Tue Jan 12 16:16:45 2016 From: singpolyma at singpolyma.net (Stephen Paul Weber) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:16:45 -0500 Subject: [Users] GData Plugin Message-ID: <20160112151645.GB2687@singpolyma-liberty> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Does it still work? I have entered my gmail address and password, but some days later I still cannot tab-complete anyone from my google contacts... how to debug? - -- Stephen Paul Weber, @singpolyma See for how I prefer to be contacted edition right joseph -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJWlRjdAAoJENEcKRHOUZzebRUQAJeGU9OvJJtj/DN5PPnQvu8F mxZWgdbmVMbZvKift7K6UFYNY7fhEBmarfiVjPZ80adSBg+z9AwqG9u8RV5SHeZI kbjH6KZ57RA2nQpQahzT/HwLG8YaIF/n54xu+OMfAr+/o2mmX1PDRpsEW0UanhWn NoSNl2RRMAq1aTeV/dhmmln+NUKjwhXcBO8LRQtOUNA+Lpxe+NgB+v5xW9O/qfY/ hg5Rd7xfyKNm0MpJhZ+UsrqzXzcrltlQ1J/SsZYu4fVZCEvWjFkYx+bcau8H6WCT bID0MRA+VnwiWsa72OIP0WyIL8Ae6yKIqd/oKCHB0II6zT+dvy1TNEez5wT74/Wx 68XkKJQhLcX2aF0GEb7z8PLZZJIGM3mt9rr7vGMXneralRDYJtN6jVaIEsmi+I7K jCBTpMj+65RL0btnm5/rujvI0TP/0ZbIzlscSCPdalTNdOQ7M6RidRQ6R8IxAJlp Hm6uQu6LmIYFF0JqZUl/q4gKKS7bkL/Xz0t0H3sYsBtzqQvZ8RvPe6fJReVI2Bwm emQClBm9kzP8Nl/z5F6Rcj41HCyPYmTpdZg7Hs0SvwdZOBK/V5lXgwPL6o1ZLxSo t1CGLhHGJPEt2GCsuYSWDbLVsLbxmaQ99q+bi+pA2KWLcQUPJK+zUpvoUNIi78FF qTaQXhImugrINKdxZUfJ =oGu8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 12 16:21:43 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 15:21:43 +0000 Subject: [Users] GData Plugin In-Reply-To: <20160112151645.GB2687@singpolyma-liberty> References: <20160112151645.GB2687@singpolyma-liberty> Message-ID: <20160112152143.16120574@kujata> On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:16:45 -0500 Stephen Paul Weber wrote: > Does it still work? Yes. What version of Claws Mail do you use? You need at least version 3.12.0 and libgdata 0.17.1. with regards Paul From singpolyma at singpolyma.net Tue Jan 12 16:34:29 2016 From: singpolyma at singpolyma.net (Stephen Paul Weber) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:34:29 -0500 Subject: [Users] GData Plugin In-Reply-To: <20160112152143.16120574@kujata> References: <20160112151645.GB2687@singpolyma-liberty> <20160112152143.16120574@kujata> Message-ID: <20160112153429.GE2687@singpolyma-liberty> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Somebody claiming to be Paul wrote: >On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:16:45 -0500 >Stephen Paul Weber wrote: > >> Does it still work? > >Yes. What version of Claws Mail do you use? You need at least version >3.12.0 and libgdata 0.17.1. Hmm, I have 3.11.1 from repos of debian stable. Is the version of the plugin in that build too old? I guess Google changed something since then? 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Message-ID: <20160112180950.1e9e9dd2@riri.DEF.witbe.net> Hello, I'm wondering if the following behavior is the result of an incorrect configuration, or a (rather odd) behavior of Claws. I'm running version 3.13.1. Here is the test I do: 1 - select a message in the Message list. It's content is displayed below in the message pane. 2 - Using the quick search, enter a string that will select a subset of messages _not_ containing the previously selected and displayed message. The result is: a - the MessageList is updated according to the search you have done and a new message is selected, b - the Message pane is _not_ updated You end up with an inconsistency between what is in the message pane and what is selected in the message list, which is quite annoying. What's wrong ? Thanks, Paul -- Paul Rolland E-Mail : rol(at)witbe.net CTO - Witbe.net SA Tel. +33 (0)1 47 67 77 77 Les Collines de l'Arche Fax. +33 (0)1 47 67 77 99 F-92057 Paris La Defense RIPE : PR12-RIPE LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/paulrolland Skype : rollandpaul "I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?'" --Mike Godwin, Electronic Frontier Foundation -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I guess Google changed something since then? Yes and yes: they made OAuth2 mandatory, IIRC. regards, -- Ricardo Mones ~ bash: ./signature: No such file or directory /bin/bash -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 12 19:15:00 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:15:00 +0000 Subject: [Users] GData Plugin In-Reply-To: <20160112175623.GA9584@busgosu.mones.org> References: <20160112151645.GB2687@singpolyma-liberty> <20160112152143.16120574@kujata> <20160112153429.GE2687@singpolyma-liberty> <20160112175623.GA9584@busgosu.mones.org> Message-ID: <20160112181500.3da47995@kujata> On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:56:23 +0100 Ricardo Mones wrote: > Yes and yes: they made OAuth2 mandatory, IIRC. libgdata 0.17.1 supports OAuth2, and this version was a requirement since Claws 3.12.0. But perhaps they've changed something again. But libgdata 0.17.4 is out now, so it might be worth trying that version. with regards Paul From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 12 22:49:00 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 21:49:00 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3557] Remotely exploitable bug. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3557 --- Comment #9 from Ben Hutchings --- Created attachment 1623 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1623&action=edit Correct and comment range checks in Japanese text conversions -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au Wed Jan 13 06:10:18 2016 From: peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au (blind Pete) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:10:18 +1100 Subject: [Users] Bug candidate - Trash button has an incorrect name (at least in Spanish translation) In-Reply-To: <20160110224701.40c6ea04@kujata> References: <20160108153426.76779ae8@kaxu> <20160110224701.40c6ea04@kujata> Message-ID: <20160113161018.7a50fe42@PPlive> On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 22:47:01 +0000 Paul wrote: > On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 15:34:26 +0100 > KA wrote: > > > English : Trash to Delete > > That would be totally wrong and even more misleading, if it is > actually misleading now. The 'Trash' button (which has the tooltip > 'Trash Message') moves messages to the Trash folder and the 'Delete' > button (which has the tooltip 'Delete Message') deletes messages. > > with regards > > Paul A longer tool tip message is in order. Perhaps, "move message to trash". -- testing bP From soldes at gmx.fr Wed Jan 13 13:56:46 2016 From: soldes at gmx.fr (KA) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:56:46 +0100 Subject: [Users] Performance issues with vCalendar In-Reply-To: <20160112114015.733c968e@kaxu> References: <20160112020124.7e77122b@kaxu> <20160112082838.1bb2f9d7@kujata> <20160112114015.733c968e@kaxu> Message-ID: <20160113135646.514b075d@kaxu> Hi, Sorry to ask you again because I am addicted to mail calendars and need to synchronize work/home/mobile devices. Do you use a vCalendar for recurring meetings ? If so, does it work for you. If not, do you use an independant tool ? Thanks. KA ----------Original Message---------- El Tue, 12 Jan 2016 11:40:15 +0100 KA escribió: > Hi Paul and team, > Thanks for your feedback. > > >My own situation > I don't think I plan to modify and compile the source. Furthermore, the fix only helps to have this issue only at a start with a refresh side effect. > > >Looking for a calendar alternative > How do you process your invitation meetings and recurrent events ? Do you use an external dedicated tool ? Which ? > > Thanks, > KA > > > ----------Original Message---------- > El Tue, 12 Jan 2016 08:28:38 +0000 > Paul escribió: > > > On Tue, 12 Jan 2016 02:01:24 +0100 > > KA wrote: > > > > > Since I started to use vCalendar, I have a major performance issue. > > > > > > Symptom : > > > Launching Claws-Mail takes 10 real seconds more. > > > > Probably this bug: > > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2546 > > > > with regards > > > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > > Users mailing list > > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From heitorpbittencourt at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 17:28:23 2016 From: heitorpbittencourt at gmail.com (Heitor) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 18:28:23 +0200 Subject: [Users] vCalendar can 'merge' some calendars? Message-ID: <20160113182823.7d75941f@freyja.localdomain> Hello, I have several calendars that I subscribed using a webCal link. Is it possible to show all of them, or some of them, at the same time? Google Calendar has this option: you just select which ones you want to see the events. I was wondering if that is possible in Claws. I am using claws-mail 3.13.1-1. Thanks, Heitor From soldes at gmx.fr Wed Jan 13 17:57:57 2016 From: soldes at gmx.fr (KA) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:57:57 +0100 Subject: [Users] vCalendar can 'merge' some calendars? In-Reply-To: <20160113182823.7d75941f@freyja.localdomain> References: <20160113182823.7d75941f@freyja.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160113175757.3e5779bc@kaxu> Hi, Merge no but add additional yes : right click suscribe to new calendar (you point it a new .ics calendar file). Regards, KA ----------Original Message---------- El Wed, 13 Jan 2016 18:28:23 +0200 Heitor escribió: > Hello, > > I have several calendars that I subscribed using a webCal link. Is it possible > to show all of them, or some of them, at the same time? > > Google Calendar has this option: you just select which ones you want to see > the events. I was wondering if that is possible in Claws. > > I am using claws-mail 3.13.1-1. > > Thanks, > Heitor > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From sylpheed at 911networks.com Fri Jan 15 02:36:32 2016 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 17:36:32 -0800 Subject: [Users] reply to list doesn't work for me Message-ID: <20160114173632.17e2daa4@frogguski.911networks.com> CM 3.13.1 on arch. When I click on "List", instead of replying to the list I get: to: sylpheed at 911networks.com instead of: users at lists.claws-mail.org for email: > Message-ID: <20160113175757.3e5779bc at kaxu> > Subject: Re: [Users] vCalendar can 'merge' some calendars? This is not just for that, but for all the lists that I subscribe to. Is something wrong with my setup (and where to look) or is this a CM bug? -- sknahT vyS From linxt at comcast.net Fri Jan 15 02:43:27 2016 From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 17:43:27 -0800 Subject: [Users] Missing quotes Message-ID: <20160114174327.0d8f6e02@desktop-1.home> After needing to re-install CM due to a hard drive problem, quoted strings in messages are being replaced by ellipses [...] . I've gone through the configuration menus but haven't found anything applicable. Any suggestions on what to look for or how to correct this behavior? Thanks, Tom -- When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. - Anonymous ^^ --... ...-- / -.- --. --... -.-. ..-. -.-. ^^^^ Tom Taylor KG7CFC openSUSE 13.1 (64-bit), Kernel 3.11.6-4-default, KDE 4.11.2, AMD A8-7600, GeForce GTX 740 T/PCIe/ 16GB RAM -- 3x1.5TB sata2 -- 128GB-SSD FF 42.0, claws-mail 3.11 registered linux user 263467 From singpolyma at singpolyma.net Fri Jan 15 03:57:33 2016 From: singpolyma at singpolyma.net (Stephen Paul Weber) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:57:33 -0500 Subject: [Users] GData Plugin In-Reply-To: <20160112175623.GA9584@busgosu.mones.org> References: <20160112151645.GB2687@singpolyma-liberty> <20160112152143.16120574@kujata> <20160112153429.GE2687@singpolyma-liberty> <20160112175623.GA9584@busgosu.mones.org> Message-ID: <20160115025733.GA2968@singpolyma-liberty> >> Hmm, I have 3.11.1 from repos of debian stable. Is the version of the >> plugin in that build too old? I guess Google changed something since then? > >Yes and yes: they made OAuth2 mandatory, IIRC. Is there any way to get the new version on debian stable without building from source? The PPA for Ubuntu only seems to go up to 3.11 and installing from debian testing onto my system is a no go (because of new dbus needs systemd?) beh -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From brad at fineby.me.uk Fri Jan 15 07:43:26 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 06:43:26 +0000 Subject: [Users] Missing quotes In-Reply-To: <20160114174327.0d8f6e02@desktop-1.home> References: <20160114174327.0d8f6e02@desktop-1.home> Message-ID: <20160115064326.1c819bb1@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 17:43:27 -0800 Thomas Taylor wrote: Hello Thomas, >Any suggestions on what to look for or how to correct this behavior? View menu -> Quotes > -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" You couldn't find your feet, if you were looking for them I Don't Like You - Stiff Little Fingers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Fri Jan 15 08:53:28 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 08:53:28 +0100 Subject: [Users] reply to list doesn't work for me In-Reply-To: <20160114173632.17e2daa4@frogguski.911networks.com> References: <20160114173632.17e2daa4@frogguski.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20160115085328.6cf8a7fe@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 17:36:32 -0800, sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: >When I click on "List", instead of replying to the list I get ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^should it read "Reply"? If so, take a look at [1] Using Claws Mail version 3.13.1-6-g6eb02a5 Arch Linux, pushing "Reply" for the same email (Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:57:57 +0100, Message-ID: <20160113175757.3e5779bc at kaxu>) "To" is the expected "users at lists.claws-mail.org". Neither any of my tool bars nor by any menu, nor by Configure -> Preferences... -> Toolbars -> ... I can see the buttons you mentioned, the preferences just provide "Reply to Mailing-list" and my tool bars and menus provide "Reply", "All" and "Sender". [1] Is "Reply button invokes mailing list reply" checked by your preferences? Configure -> Preferences... -> Compose -> Writing -> Replying -> [x] Reply button invokes mailing list reply Regards, Ralf From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Fri Jan 15 09:10:18 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:10:18 +0100 Subject: [Users] GData Plugin In-Reply-To: <20160115025733.GA2968@singpolyma-liberty> References: <20160112151645.GB2687@singpolyma-liberty> <20160112152143.16120574@kujata> <20160112153429.GE2687@singpolyma-liberty> <20160112175623.GA9584@busgosu.mones.org> <20160115025733.GA2968@singpolyma-liberty> Message-ID: <20160115091018.477cdefa@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:57:33 -0500, Stephen Paul Weber wrote: >>> Hmm, I have 3.11.1 from repos of debian stable. Is the version of >>> the plugin in that build too old? I guess Google changed something >>> since then? >> >>Yes and yes: they made OAuth2 mandatory, IIRC. > >Is there any way to get the new version on debian stable without >building from source? The PPA for Ubuntu only seems to go up to 3.11 >and installing from debian testing onto my system is a no go (because >of new dbus needs systemd?) Because Claws doesn't require much dependencies it's easy to build on nearly each release model distro. Why don't you want to compile it/build your own package? I not only build it for Arch, but also for Ubuntu. However, most likely you could install Claws from Debian testing without any issue since the version from sid requires "dep: libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78)" - https://packages.debian.org/sid/claws-mail while even squeeze already provides "libdbus-glib-1-2 (0.88-2.1+squeeze1)" - https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libdbus-glib-1-2 I don't understand why installing Claws from the sid repos should require dbus from sid. FWIW maybe you should send a request to the user mailing list of your distro ;) or simply switch to a distro that provides what you need, if you dislike to build Claws yourself. Regards, Ralf From moxalt at riseup.net Fri Jan 15 07:30:51 2016 From: moxalt at riseup.net (Adam Wilson) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:30:51 +0300 Subject: [Users] Missing quotes In-Reply-To: <20160114174327.0d8f6e02@desktop-1.home> References: <20160114174327.0d8f6e02@desktop-1.home> Message-ID: <20160115093051.27866009@multivac.localdomain> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 17:43:27 -0800 Thomas Taylor wrote: > After needing to re-install CM due to a hard drive problem, quoted > strings in messages are being replaced by ellipses [...] . > > I've gone through the configuration menus but haven't found anything > applicable. > > Any suggestions on what to look for or how to correct this behavior? > > Thanks, Tom > Try double-clicking the ellipses when they appear. Just a thought. From colin at colino.net Fri Jan 15 10:11:00 2016 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 10:11:00 +0100 Subject: [Users] Missing quotes In-Reply-To: <20160115093051.27866009@multivac.localdomain> References: <20160114174327.0d8f6e02@desktop-1.home> <20160115093051.27866009@multivac.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160115101100.431cad0b@colin.i-run.lau> On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:30:51 +0300, Adam Wilson wrote: > > After needing to re-install CM due to a hard drive problem, quoted > > strings in messages are being replaced by ellipses [...] . > > > > I've gone through the configuration menus but haven't found anything > > applicable. > > > > Any suggestions on what to look for or how to correct this behavior? > > > > Thanks, Tom > > > > Try double-clicking the ellipses when they appear. Just a thought. Also, changing the default quote collapse setting is done via the View/Quotes menu. HTH, -- Colin From sylpheed at 911networks.com Fri Jan 15 15:25:25 2016 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 06:25:25 -0800 Subject: [Users] reply to list doesn't work for me In-Reply-To: <20160115085328.6cf8a7fe@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160114173632.17e2daa4@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160115085328.6cf8a7fe@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160115062525.7e7215c9@frogguski.911networks.com> On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 08:53:28 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 17:36:32 -0800, sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: >>When I click on "List", instead of replying to the list I get > ^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^should it read "Reply"? If so, take a look at > [1] On my toolbar, I have: * Reply * List * All * Sender Which is the default (I think). I have not added new buttons to the "general" toolbar. And if it's a mailing list like this, I just want to reply to the list and not to all the people that were cc'ed or even the sender. > >Using Claws Mail version 3.13.1-6-g6eb02a5 Arch Linux, pushing >"Reply" for the same email (Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:57:57 +0100, >Message-ID: <20160113175757.3e5779bc at kaxu>) "To" is the expected >"users at lists.claws-mail.org". > >Neither any of my tool bars nor by any menu, nor by Configure -> >Preferences... -> Toolbars -> ... I can see the buttons you >mentioned, the preferences just provide "Reply to Mailing-list" and >my tool bars and menus provide "Reply", "All" and "Sender". > Here's a print screen: http://i.imgur.com/iu5uwob.png >[1] >Is "Reply button invokes mailing list reply" checked by your >preferences? > >Configure -> Preferences... -> Compose -> Writing -> Replying -> [x] Already set that way >Reply button invokes mailing list reply Not with me, it replies to myself http://i.imgur.com/2qw0g9Y.png > >Regards, >Ralf >_______________________________________________ >Users mailing list >Users at lists.claws-mail.org >http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > -- sknahT vyS From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 15 16:20:59 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:20:59 +0000 Subject: [Users] reply to list doesn't work for me In-Reply-To: <20160114173632.17e2daa4@frogguski.911networks.com> References: <20160114173632.17e2daa4@frogguski.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20160115152059.76119eb3@kujata> On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 17:36:32 -0800 sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > When I click on "List", instead of replying to the list I get: Can you use the main window's /Message/Mailing List/... menu items? with regards Paul From brad at fineby.me.uk Fri Jan 15 16:34:36 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:34:36 +0000 Subject: [Users] reply to list doesn't work for me In-Reply-To: <20160115062525.7e7215c9@frogguski.911networks.com> References: <20160114173632.17e2daa4@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160115085328.6cf8a7fe@archlinux.localdomain> <20160115062525.7e7215c9@frogguski.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20160115153436.44b7af5b@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 06:25:25 -0800 sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: Hello sylpheed at 911networks.com, >Not with me, it replies to myself >http://i.imgur.com/2qw0g9Y.png The background colouring of the To: address tells me there's an override in operation: That address has been set as a default in the folder's compose properties. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Never much liked playing there anyway Banned From The Roxy - Crass -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From sylpheed at 911networks.com Fri Jan 15 17:31:22 2016 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 08:31:22 -0800 Subject: [Users] reply to list doesn't work for me In-Reply-To: <20160115152059.76119eb3@kujata> References: <20160114173632.17e2daa4@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160115152059.76119eb3@kujata> Message-ID: <20160115083122.148cf23c@frogguski.911networks.com> On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:20:59 +0000 Paul wrote: >On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 17:36:32 -0800 >sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > >> When I click on "List", instead of replying to the list I get: > >Can you use the main window's /Message/Mailing List/... menu items? Yes and it does show sylpheed's for post...., but it doesn't help me to reply -- sknahT vyS From sylpheed at 911networks.com Fri Jan 15 17:35:19 2016 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 08:35:19 -0800 Subject: [Users] reply to list doesn't work for me In-Reply-To: <20160115153436.44b7af5b@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <20160114173632.17e2daa4@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160115085328.6cf8a7fe@archlinux.localdomain> <20160115062525.7e7215c9@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160115153436.44b7af5b@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: <20160115083519.6fd05cc6@frogguski.911networks.com> On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:34:36 +0000 Brad Rogers wrote: >The background colouring of the To: address tells me there's an >override in operation: That address has been set as a default in the >folder's compose properties. Here are my settings: http://i.imgur.com/kbAyLaY.png http://i.imgur.com/4bsc7z7.png Like I said in my original question: > Is something wrong with my setup (and where to look) or is this a CM > bug? -- sknahT vyS From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 15 17:49:22 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 16:49:22 +0000 Subject: [Users] reply to list doesn't work for me In-Reply-To: <20160115083122.148cf23c@frogguski.911networks.com> References: <20160114173632.17e2daa4@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160115152059.76119eb3@kujata> <20160115083122.148cf23c@frogguski.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20160115164922.3f1a82e7@kujata> On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 08:31:22 -0800 sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > Yes and it does show sylpheed's for post...., but it doesn't help me > to reply It's what Brad said then. Check your folder properties. with regards Paul From brad at fineby.me.uk Fri Jan 15 17:51:36 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 16:51:36 +0000 Subject: [Users] reply to list doesn't work for me In-Reply-To: <20160115083519.6fd05cc6@frogguski.911networks.com> References: <20160114173632.17e2daa4@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160115085328.6cf8a7fe@archlinux.localdomain> <20160115062525.7e7215c9@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160115153436.44b7af5b@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160115083519.6fd05cc6@frogguski.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20160115165136.1465bed0@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 08:35:19 -0800 sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: Hello sylpheed at 911networks.com, >http://i.imgur.com/kbAyLaY.png >> Is something wrong with my setup (and where to look) or is this a CM >> bug? Not a bug; Right click folder, select Properties, then Compose. Now, either untick the "Default To: for replies" or change the address to the list one. If you opt for unticking, you may wish to remove your own address from there too (although it's not really necessary). Having your address in there is wrong. >http://i.imgur.com/4bsc7z7.png That one looks okay. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Now I found you out, I don't think you're so smart Who Are You - Black Sabbath -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bugs.michael at gmx.net Fri Jan 15 18:45:46 2016 From: bugs.michael at gmx.net (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 18:45:46 +0100 Subject: [Users] Queue folder showing wrong high number of messages Message-ID: <20160115184546.79896bbc@noname> After sending a message, Claws Mail [currently 3.13.1] sometimes displays an unusually high number of messages for the Queue folder of the related IMAP account. Just a minute ago it displayed 340 messages for my Google Mail account. Clicking on it, it resets to 0. What could be the reason? From slitt at troubleshooters.com Fri Jan 15 18:52:57 2016 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 12:52:57 -0500 Subject: [Users] Danger in per-folder default recipients: was reply to list doesn't work for me In-Reply-To: <20160115153436.44b7af5b@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <20160114173632.17e2daa4@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160115085328.6cf8a7fe@archlinux.localdomain> <20160115062525.7e7215c9@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160115153436.44b7af5b@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: <20160115125257.5373c516@mydesk.domain.cxm> On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:34:36 +0000 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 06:25:25 -0800 > sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > > Hello sylpheed at 911networks.com, > > >Not with me, it replies to myself > >http://i.imgur.com/2qw0g9Y.png > > The background colouring of the To: address tells me there's an > override in operation: That address has been set as a default in the > folder's compose properties. After a bad experience a few years ago, I *never* set the folder's default recipient. I had the folder set to send to the list, and stuff got in the folder via a marker in the subject. One time a guy replied to my list post with a super secret response, I hit reply, and my reply to his super secret response went to the whole list. No more: I don't need embarrassments like that :-) SteveT Steve Litt January 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 From soldes at gmx.fr Fri Jan 15 19:36:56 2016 From: soldes at gmx.fr (KA) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 19:36:56 +0100 Subject: [Users] vCalendar can 'merge' some calendars? In-Reply-To: <20160115174855.6a508e49@freyja.localdomain> References: <20160113182823.7d75941f@freyja.localdomain> <20160113175757.3e5779bc@kaxu> <20160115174855.6a508e49@freyja.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160115193656.2be53554@kaxu> I asked this question 3 weeks ago and the reply was no. Unfortunately vCalendar looks extremely limited at the moment. ----------Original Message---------- El Fri, 15 Jan 2016 17:48:55 +0200 Heitor escribió: > On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:57:57 +0100 > KA wrote: > > > Hi, > > Merge no but add additional yes : right click suscribe to new calendar (you > > point it a new .ics calendar file). Regards, > > KA > > What I meant is not to add more than one calendar. But to display more than > one at the same time. > > In Google Calendar I can select which calendars to show at the same time, so I > can see clearly when I have any event. > > After I have imported some webCal, Can I do something similar? > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From brad at fineby.me.uk Sat Jan 16 14:26:27 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 13:26:27 +0000 Subject: [Users] Danger in per-folder default recipients: was reply to list doesn't work for me In-Reply-To: <20160115125257.5373c516@mydesk.domain.cxm> References: <20160114173632.17e2daa4@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160115085328.6cf8a7fe@archlinux.localdomain> <20160115062525.7e7215c9@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160115153436.44b7af5b@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160115125257.5373c516@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: <20160116132627.0e06d7e8@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 12:52:57 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: Hello Steve, >default recipient. I had the folder set to send to the list, and stuff >got in the folder via a marker in the subject. One time a guy replied >to my list post with a super secret response, I hit reply, and my reply >to his super secret response went to the whole list. If you filter list messages on List-Id (or some other unique to list header) rather than subject tagging, that would not have happened. The super-secret response would not have been filtered such that you saw it in the list folder. Sorry to say it (and it may seem harsh), but it's a problem of your own making. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I'm surfing on a wave of nostalgia for an age yet to come Nostalgia - Buzzcocks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Check out issues at http://ohnopro.ca From edodd55 at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 23:03:22 2016 From: edodd55 at gmail.com (Liz) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:03:22 +1100 Subject: [Users] Danger in per-folder default recipients: was reply to list doesn't work for me In-Reply-To: <20160116132627.0e06d7e8@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <20160114173632.17e2daa4@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160115085328.6cf8a7fe@archlinux.localdomain> <20160115062525.7e7215c9@frogguski.911networks.com> <20160115153436.44b7af5b@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160115125257.5373c516@mydesk.domain.cxm> <20160116132627.0e06d7e8@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: <20160117090322.04e15555.edodd55@gmail.com> On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 13:26:27 +0000 Brad Rogers wrote: > >default recipient. I had the folder set to send to the list, and > >stuff got in the folder via a marker in the subject. One time a guy > >replied to my list post with a super secret response, I hit reply, > >and my reply to his super secret response went to the whole list. > > If you filter list messages on List-Id (or some other unique to list > header) rather than subject tagging, that would not have happened. > The super-secret response would not have been filtered such that you > saw it in the list folder. > > Sorry to say it (and it may seem harsh), but it's a problem of your > own making. Or we could say.... Claws-mail can filter on different criteria, and we recommend filtering mailing lists on the List-Id, which for this list is List-Id: Private replies will not be sorted to the mailing list folder when done this way. Then setting the ReplyTo for the list folder to the mailing list address works well. Liz From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 17 12:34:28 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 11:34:28 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3557] Remotely exploitable bug. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3557 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 17 12:34:28 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 11:34:28 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3557] Remotely exploitable bug. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3557 --- Comment #10 from users at lists.claws-mail.org --- Changes related to this bug have been committed. Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly. You can also get the patch from: http://git.claws-mail.org/ ++ ChangeLog 2016-01-17 12:35:02.882777161 +0100 http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f24db001cd21dfef5466e54a6c0d2f1f9cbcd63 Merge: 01b39bc 8b2aff8 Author: Colin Leroy Date: Sun Jan 17 12:35:02 2016 +0100 Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b2aff884d97dcfe5cc70478fecc7c87ce023c95 Author: Paul Date: Sun Jan 17 11:34:14 2016 +0000 fix CVE-2015-8708, bug 3557, 'Remotely exploitable bug.' Patch by Ben Hutchings -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From work at mykot.com Mon Jan 18 06:13:37 2016 From: work at mykot.com (work at mykot.com) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 22:13:37 -0700 Subject: [Users] claws mail question [solved] Sharing Claws-mail data between OS's Message-ID: <20160117221337.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.1ff5151e5f.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com Mon Jan 18 08:22:27 2016 From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:52:27 +0530 Subject: [Users] claws mail question [solved] Sharing Claws-mail data between OS's In-Reply-To: <20160117221337.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.1ff5151e5f.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> References: <20160117221337.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.1ff5151e5f.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <20160118125227.00005ae1@netsolutions.in> Afraid not. Are you able to go to .claws-mail/addrbook in your Linux box? What does addrbook--index.xml there say? Are the files mentioned in that file in the same folder? Can you read these files? Do they have content? On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 22:13:37 -0700, work at mykot.com wrote: > Abhay, > It is all working great. I need just a bit more help. The > addressbooks are not coming across in linux. I am sure there is > another setting. Thanks for the help. > > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:09:02 -0700 > wrote: > > > Thanks to all for the help. Thanks particularly to Abhay for the > > specifics. Below is my contribution back to the community on this > > topic of sharing Claws-mail data between dual boot OS's (Windows > > and Linux). > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > How to share mail data and settings in Claws-mail on a dual boot > > Windows/Linux system > > > > 1 - starting in Windows, You need to locate two Claws-mail > > folders: a. Claws-mail - is your config directory > > typically in C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\ > > b. Mail - is your mailbox folder. (It may have multiple > > mailboxes) > > typically in C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\ as well > > > > Note: If you have multiple accounts set up, you may have other > > folders in that file, such as, “dad”, “mom”, etc. > > > > 2 - We need a path that can be used by both Windows and Linux. The > > best option is a FAT32 partition. This folder will be R/W to both > > systems. It will most likely be the D: drive in Windows. In Linux > > mount it as whatever you want. > > > > 3 - Move "Mail" (and any other mailbox folders) to D: at the root > > level. Do not place them within any other folder. > > > > You can do it in C: if you want to use a single partition in > > Windows (bad idea BTW). Pro tip: On Windows, try to keep all your > > personal files in a separate partition than the primary Windows > > system (C:). If possible, better still, a completely different > > drive. > > > > 4 - Now open up folderlist.xml and edit your mailbox path (line > > 3). It should look like this: > > > > > Change it to: > > > If you have additional mailboxes, there will be additional lines > > futher down in this file. You need to do this for each of them. > > > > Do a find/replace of "\" with "/". Replace all. > > > > Linux requires “/”. Windows will read either “\” or “/”. > > > > Save > > > > 5 – Exit Windows and launch Linux. > > > > 6 - Verify that you have both Windows C: and D: drives > > (partitions) mounted (i.e. C: as windows-C, and D: as windows-D). > > Make note of the mount path for each. > > > > 7 – Assuming you have installed Claws-mail and started a simple > > mail account, enter your /home/%user% folder. You will need to > > set up two symlinks, one for the Claws-mail profile and one for > > Mail folder(s). < ln (link) -s (symbolic) mount path target > > > > > a. ln > > -s /mnt/windows-C/Users/%username%/AppData/Roaming/Claws-Mail .claws-mail > > Makes the Linux Claws-mail settings read the Windows settings > > > > b. ln -s /mnt/windows-D D: > > Makes the mailbox path of D:\Mail accessible to Claws-Mail in > > Linux. You should probably verify that the mount is writable and > > in your home folder you can do "cd D:\Mail" and see your mailbox > > folders. > > > > That's it. Fire up Claws-mail in Linux and enjoy. > > > > 8 – Other changes that might be needed: > > a. If you have actions defined, copy "actionswinrc" to > > "actionsrc". Edit out any actions that are Windows specific, for > > example, those that fire a Windows command. > > b. Review your Accounts, especially if you had signatures > > configured. The windows paths won't work here. You may want to > > move those to the shared drive and use the same logic. > > c. You'll have to load-up all the plug-ins again. > > d. Review the fonts defined in Preferences->Display->Fonts > > e. If you use gpg, you'll have to symlink path to your gnupg data > > folder to .gnupg in your home folder as well. > > f. If you create any folders in Windows, you'll have to open up > > folderlist.xml and do a find/replace of "\" with "/". > > > > > > > > You can switch back-and-forth any time and your mail will be > > current in either OS. > > > > Solution provided by: "Abhay S. Kushwaha" > > on > > users-request at lists.claws-mail.org > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -- Abhay S. Kushwaha Program Manager, Sales & Account Management --------------------------------------------------[contact info]- desk: +91-172-431-5089 cell: +91-981-538-9498 Skype: woodenknight us: +1-626-340-4747 Google: kushwaha at gmail.com uk: +44-203-287-4745 Twitter: @kushwaha au: +61-39-028-4745 http://www.linkedin.com/in/kushwaha ================================================================= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com Mon Jan 18 08:47:41 2016 From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:17:41 +0530 Subject: [Users] claws mail question [solved] Sharing Claws-mail data between OS's In-Reply-To: <20160118125227.00005ae1@netsolutions.in> References: <20160117221337.5273c474b74cd4024379961413ddcabd.1ff5151e5f.wbe@email22.secureserver.net> <20160118125227.00005ae1@netsolutions.in> Message-ID: <20160118131741.000029a9@netsolutions.in> On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:52:27 +0530, Abhay wrote: > Afraid not. > > Are you able to go to .claws-mail/addrbook in your Linux box? > > What does addrbook--index.xml there say? Are the files mentioned in > that file in the same folder? > > Can you read these files? Do they have content? > > > On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 22:13:37 -0700, work at mykot.com wrote: Uh... sorry about top-posting. :P -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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""" it seems that at least the 3.13.1 can do a graphical overview calender which is much more than just a list of calender entries. I consider it a **major feature** thus it will be important for people considering to try Claws-Mail. Updating the description and the screenshot would be very helpful. Best Regards, Bernhard -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 18 10:13:14 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 09:13:14 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3596] New: Installer Icon still the lock from Gpg4win should be Claws-Mail Logo Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3596 Bug ID: 3596 Summary: Installer Icon still the lock from Gpg4win should be Claws-Mail Logo Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail (Windows) Version: 3.13.1 Hardware: PC OS: Windows 10 Status: NEW Severity: minor Priority: P3 Component: default Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: bernhard at intevation.de Hi! Last friday I've tried claws-mail-3.13.1-2.exe (I think) on windows 10 and saw that the installer logo was still the lock with the down arrow from the Gpg4win Installer. You probably want to replace this for the next build with a Claws Mail and down arrow or something better. Best, Bernhard -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 18 11:53:18 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 10:53:18 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3596] Installer Icon still the lock from Gpg4win should be Claws-Mail Logo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3596 --- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian --- Hello Bernhard, if you mean the icon that is shown during short unpacking phase near the beginning of the installation, then I have no idea where it comes from or how to change it. There is no lock image file anywhere in our installer tree, and I can't find any mention of this particular "window" anywhere in NSIS documentation. I'll be grateful for any pointers here. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 18 14:16:50 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:16:50 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3596] Installer Icon still the lock from Gpg4win should be Claws-Mail Logo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3596 --- Comment #2 from Bernhard E. Reiter --- Hi Andrej, yes, I am referring to the little icon I saw during the start of the installation in the task-bar. It looked like a gpg4win icon, maybe it wasn't. I also have no idea where it comes from though, could have been encoded as source code if you cannot grep for it. Best, Bernhard -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From rhutter at posteo.de Tue Jan 19 00:41:36 2016 From: rhutter at posteo.de (Ralf Hutter) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 00:41:36 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws sometimes crashes Message-ID: <20160119004136.6fdebe30@Trisdesk> It happened again last week, when i was reading and deleting (moving to trash) just a couple of emails, one by one (but at that moment a bit fast - could that be a problem?). Claws then closed rapidly. I had a terminal open so i looked in there and copied the related messages. Any ideas? Is something not right? (claws-mail:14820): GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID 4294967295 was not found when attempting to remove it (claws-mail:14820): GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID 40692 was not found when attempting to remove it (claws-mail:14820): GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID 4294967295 was not found when attempting to remove it (claws-mail:14820): GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID 42703 was not found when attempting to remove it (claws-mail:14820): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from 'GtkToggleToolButton' to 'GtkToggleButton' (claws-mail:14820): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_toggle_button_set_active: assertion 'GTK_IS_TOGGLE_BUTTON (toggle_button)' failed (claws-mail:14820): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from 'GtkToggleToolButton' to 'GtkToggleButton' (claws-mail:14820): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_toggle_button_set_active: assertion 'GTK_IS_TOGGLE_BUTTON (toggle_button)' failed (claws-mail:14820): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid cast from 'GtkToggleToolButton' to 'GtkToggleButton' (claws-mail:14820): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_toggle_button_set_active: assertion 'GTK_IS_TOGGLE_BUTTON (toggle_button)' failed Speicherzugriffsfehler The german word at the end means: memory access error. Thank you for any comment. Ralf -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: not available URL: From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 19 00:44:03 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 23:44:03 +0000 Subject: [Users] Claws sometimes crashes In-Reply-To: <20160119004136.6fdebe30@Trisdesk> References: <20160119004136.6fdebe30@Trisdesk> Message-ID: <20160118234403.160e249a@kujata> On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 00:41:36 +0100 Ralf Hutter wrote: > Thank you for any comment. You might try upgrading. Your version is 7 releases and over 2 years old. with regards Paul From slitt at troubleshooters.com Tue Jan 19 01:44:10 2016 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:44:10 -0500 Subject: [Users] Claws sometimes crashes In-Reply-To: <20160119004136.6fdebe30@Trisdesk> References: <20160119004136.6fdebe30@Trisdesk> Message-ID: <20160118194410.13ec6e93@mydesk.domain.cxm> On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 00:41:36 +0100 Ralf Hutter wrote: > It happened again last week, when i was reading and deleting (moving > to trash) just a couple of emails, one by one (but at that moment a > bit fast - could that be a problem?). Claws then closed rapidly. I > had a terminal open so i looked in there and copied the related > messages. Any ideas? Is something not right? I think your key activity here is to find a definition of "sometimes". How often? What are you doing when it happens? What are other apps doing? Especially other GTK apps? You might even try piping vmstat to a log, via suitable filters, to see the computer's state just before crash. If it happens only once ever few days, and you don't lose data when it happens, I'd personally ignore it. When it becomes more common it will probably be easier to figure out situations that make it happen, and once that happens you're dealing with a reproducible problem that's much easier to fix. Paul recommended upgrading Claws. I've done that in the past: It's doable, but it's not easy to compile up your own Claws-Mail on a distro with older libraries, and personally I wouldn't do it with the thought that it "might" fix the problem, unless the problem gets very hard to live with. HTH, SteveT Steve Litt January 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 From mir at miras.org Tue Jan 19 07:53:12 2016 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 07:53:12 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws sometimes crashes In-Reply-To: <20160118194410.13ec6e93@mydesk.domain.cxm> References: <20160119004136.6fdebe30@Trisdesk> <20160118194410.13ec6e93@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: <20160119075312.59f796fa@sleipner.datanom.net> On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:44:10 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > > Paul recommended upgrading Claws. I've done that in the past: It's > doable, but it's not easy to compile up your own Claws-Mail on a distro > with older libraries, and personally I wouldn't do it with the thought > that it "might" fix the problem, unless the problem gets very hard to > live with. we are talking of a version of claws-mail which is older than the version shipping with Debian Stable, more precisely the version shipped with Debian old-stable (aka Debian Wheezy), so this version does not receive any more security fixes (for claws-mail) and properly not for a number of other packages. The only sane advice to give here is to advice OP to do a distribution upgrade. -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/games/fortune -es says: The English have no respect for their language, and will not teach their children to speak it. -- G. B. Shaw -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rhutter at posteo.de Tue Jan 19 09:56:25 2016 From: rhutter at posteo.de (Ralf Hutter) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:56:25 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws sometimes crashes In-Reply-To: <20160118194410.13ec6e93@mydesk.domain.cxm> References: <20160119004136.6fdebe30@Trisdesk> <20160118194410.13ec6e93@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: <20160119095625.3ced3cf4@Trisdesk> On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:44:10 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 00:41:36 +0100 > Ralf Hutter wrote: > > > It happened again last week, when i was reading and deleting (moving > > to trash) just a couple of emails, one by one (but at that moment a > > bit fast - could that be a problem?). Claws then closed rapidly. I > > had a terminal open so i looked in there and copied the related > > messages. Any ideas? Is something not right? > > I think your key activity here is to find a definition of "sometimes". > How often? What are you doing when it happens? What are other apps > doing? Especially other GTK apps? You might even try piping vmstat to > a log, via suitable filters, to see the computer's state just before > crash. > > If it happens only once ever few days, and you don't lose data when it > happens, I'd personally ignore it. When it becomes more common it will > probably be easier to figure out situations that make it happen, and > once that happens you're dealing with a reproducible problem that's > much easier to fix. > > Paul recommended upgrading Claws. I've done that in the past: It's > doable, but it's not easy to compile up your own Claws-Mail on a > distro with older libraries, and personally I wouldn't do it with the > thought that it "might" fix the problem, unless the problem gets very > hard to live with. > > HTH, > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > January 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting > http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users It happened maybe 3 times in the 3 months i am having this install. No data loss, no problem with restarting. Let's hope the best and not let provoke us... Thanks, Ralf -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, no ;) Debian still gives security support to old-old-stable¹, though is near to finish, and also does for wheezy, see: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS > The only sane advice to give here is to advice OP to do a distribution > upgrade. That's probably true, though. regards, ¹ https://tracker.debian.org/news/740076 -- Ricardo Mones ~ The three principal virtues of a programmer are Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris. man perl -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 19 10:53:15 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:53:15 +0000 Subject: [Users] Claws sometimes crashes In-Reply-To: <20160118194410.13ec6e93@mydesk.domain.cxm> References: <20160119004136.6fdebe30@Trisdesk> <20160118194410.13ec6e93@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: <20160119095315.560392ef@kujata> On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:44:10 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > Paul recommended upgrading Claws. I've done that in the past: It's > doable, but it's not easy to compile up your own Claws-Mail on a > distro with older libraries, and personally I wouldn't do it with > the thought that it "might" fix the problem, unless the problem > gets very hard to live with. The suggestion wasn't because I thought it might fix it, although it might, the reason was that it is not practical to try to help to solve problems on a version that is so old. with regards Paul From bugs.michael at gmx.net Tue Jan 19 12:09:02 2016 From: bugs.michael at gmx.net (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 12:09:02 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws sometimes crashes In-Reply-To: <20160119095625.3ced3cf4@Trisdesk> References: <20160119004136.6fdebe30@Trisdesk> <20160118194410.13ec6e93@mydesk.domain.cxm> <20160119095625.3ced3cf4@Trisdesk> Message-ID: <20160119120902.478ce0be@noname> On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:56:25 +0100, Ralf Hutter wrote: > It happened maybe 3 times in the 3 months i am having this install. No > data loss, no problem with restarting. > Let's hope the best and not let provoke us... In version 3.9.3 and older some of the nasty spontaneous crashes have been side-effects only, e.g. caused by heap corruption in IMAP session handling code. Some specific fixes have been added since then. Upgrading Claws Mail is highly recommended because of that. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 19 12:25:48 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 11:25:48 +0000 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.13.2 Unleashed!! Message-ID: <20160119112548.1965fb62@kujata> 19th January 2016 Claws Mail 3.13.2 CLAWS MAIL RELEASE NOTES http://www.claws-mail.org Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast email client. New in this release: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Bug fixes: o bug 2358, '"Disposition-Notification-To:" should default to same value as "From:' o bug 3557, 'Remotely exploitable bug.' o bug 3584, 'After 3.13.1, characters in some Japanese codec are never correctly converted to internal ones' For further details of the numbered bugs and RFEs listed above consult http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- See ChangeLog for full information regarding changes in this release. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From soldes at gmx.fr Tue Jan 19 12:37:18 2016 From: soldes at gmx.fr (KA) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 12:37:18 +0100 Subject: [Users] vCalendar roadmap Message-ID: <20160119123718.5e895828@kaxu> Hi Team, Is there any plan to improve vCalendar ? For anyone who uses just a little bit a calendar, this is hardly usable in a day 2 day basis. - the graphical interface is not easy to look at - recurring elements slow down the system - there is no possibility to merge the calendars I admit that sometimes, I am might be too demanding in my requests because I believe Claws has really good features and when I watch some desktops, more than one expert does have it installed (particularly when it delay with GnuPG) but here ... honestly ... and I say it with sincere respect of the developpers that offer this tool, vCalendar is absolutely not of the same quality that the rest of the product, and can be, today, in many cases, a show stopper. Regards, KA From brad at fineby.me.uk Tue Jan 19 16:41:36 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:41:36 +0000 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.13.2 Unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20160119112548.1965fb62@kujata> References: <20160119112548.1965fb62@kujata> Message-ID: <20160119154136.5916fc1f@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 11:25:48 +0000 Paul wrote: Hello Paul, >19th January 2016 Claws Mail 3.13.2 Compiled, installed, and running. As always, many thanks to the dev team for their efforts. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Sign away your life Tin Soldiers - Stiff Little Fingers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From claws-mail at fy3.co.uk Tue Jan 19 18:16:31 2016 From: claws-mail at fy3.co.uk (Chris Hirst) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 17:16:31 +0000 Subject: [Users] Including filter/processing rules In-Reply-To: <20160101171619.57e30071@chris-HP> References: <20151231232012.29be1a48@chris-HP> <20160101032450.27f53d24@busgosu> <20160101171619.57e30071@chris-HP> Message-ID: <20160119171631.21d735d8@chris-HP> Hi, While this works well, it does suffer from a problem in that it only runs at the end of mail collection, rather than at the same time as any 'on demand' filtering (Tools -> Filter all/selected messages ...) does. This, should collection fail for any reason, results in around 20,000 [give or take] messages being dumped into the account delivery folder(s) that have not and will not, be filtered by the perl processor. So is there some way that the Perl filtering can be triggered from a menu or a toolbar 'button' or something? >>Hi Ricardo >> >>Thanks for that, I had better get out the WD40 for my Perl skills >>then. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 03:24:50 +0100 >>Ricardo Mones wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 23:20:12 +0000 >>> "Chris Hirst (claws)" wrote: >>> >>> > Alternatively would it be possible to write a python script that >>> > hooked into the filter creation system, but I can't see anything >>> > in the documentation or in 'clawsker' about a method of importing >>> > or adding rules. >>> >>> Not in python, but the perl plugin allows this, from plugins page¹ >>> description: >>> >>> | This plugin is intended to extend the filtering possibilities o >>> | Claws Mail. It provides a Perl interface to Claws Mail's filtering >>> | mechanism, allowing the use of full Perl power in email filters. >>> >>> IIRC it has even a script to migrate existing rules to perl. >>> >>> HTH, >>> >>> ¹ http://www.claws-mail.org/plugins.php >> >> >> >> >> >>~~~~~~~~~ >>So long, and thanks for all the fish. >>_______________________________________________ >>Users mailing list >>Users at lists.claws-mail.org >>http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users ~~~~~~~~~ So long, and thanks for all the fish. From berndth at gmx.de Tue Jan 19 20:12:43 2016 From: berndth at gmx.de (Holger Berndt) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 20:12:43 +0100 Subject: [Users] Including filter/processing rules In-Reply-To: <20160119171631.21d735d8@chris-HP> References: <20151231232012.29be1a48@chris-HP> <20160101032450.27f53d24@busgosu> <20160101171619.57e30071@chris-HP> <20160119171631.21d735d8@chris-HP> Message-ID: <20160119201243.2710ab9a@wodan> Hallo Chris, On Di, 19.01.2016 17:16, Chris Hirst wrote: >So is there some way that the Perl filtering can be triggered from a menu or a toolbar 'button' or something? yes, using the commands from the tools menu that you mentioned. You can even distinguish manual invokation in your filter, if you want. Holger From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 19 21:11:11 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 20:11:11 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3597] New: 'Always sign messages when replying to a signed message' option does not work Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3597 Bug ID: 3597 Summary: 'Always sign messages when replying to a signed message' option does not work Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.13.1 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Plugins/Privacy Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: olivierthnicole at gmail.com Hi there, When I check the box 'Always sign messages when replying to a signed message' in the Preferences > Privacy section, replies to signed messages are still not signed automatically, even though Claws prints that my correspondent's message has a "Good signature" in the status bar. Keep up the good work! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From rod_myers at fastmail.fm Tue Jan 19 22:45:35 2016 From: rod_myers at fastmail.fm (Rodney D. Myers) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 16:45:35 -0500 Subject: [Users] bad address pops up, but can't find it Message-ID: <20160119164535.7152dd9a@bsd-laptop> pcBSD 10.* claws-mail 3.13.1 I have one email address that continually pops up when I hit the tab key. I've looked at the /~.claws-mail/addrbook, and removed the gdata_cache.xml. All while claws-mail was not running. I'm lost as to where else I can find the bad email address. pcBSD does not have a current version of gdata -- Rodney D. Myers - kg6anx They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.         Ben Franklin - 1759 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would expect that the shortcut keys that correspond to the greyed out entries (like C-c C-x C-a C-v) are no longer handled by Claws, but passed to the embedded editor. However, Claws still intercepts (and ignores) them, so the embedded editor can not use them. -- Johan From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 19 23:48:35 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 22:48:35 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3598] New: use after free in function summary_execute_move_func() Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3598 Bug ID: 3598 Summary: use after free in function summary_execute_move_func() Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.13.1 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Other Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: hanno at hboeck.de Created attachment 1624 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1624&action=edit address sanitizer error message for use after free bug I'm testing claws-mail with address sanitizer. Today it found a use-after-free error. Unfortunately I was unable to reproduce it (it happened while deleting a couple of mails at once, but I am not certain about the exact conditions). I thought I'd better report it anyway, the asan error message is pretty detailed. I tried to look into the code, but was unable to figure out what might go wrong. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 20 00:22:12 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 23:22:12 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3598] use after free in function summary_execute_move_func() In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3598 Andrej Kacian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attachment #1624|application/octet-stream |text/plain mime type| | -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From claws-mail_user at thehugheslogcabin.net Wed Jan 20 01:49:09 2016 From: claws-mail_user at thehugheslogcabin.net (Michael Hughes) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:49:09 -0600 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.13.2 Unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20160119112548.1965fb62@kujata> References: <20160119112548.1965fb62@kujata> Message-ID: <20160119184909.29bc91ce@thehugheslogcabin.net> On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 11:25:48 +0000 Paul wrote: > 19th January 2016 Claws Mail 3.13.2 > > CLAWS MAIL RELEASE NOTES > http://www.claws-mail.org > > Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast > email client. Compiled and running under FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE-p36 Claws Mail version 3.13.2git1 runtime GTK+ 2.24.22 / GLib 2.42.1 buildtime GTK+ 2.24.22 / GLib 2.42.1 Compiled-in features: Enchant GnuTLS IPv6 iconv LDAP libetpan 1.6 libSM -- Michael Hughes Log Home living is the best -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 20 11:15:52 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:15:52 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3597] 'Always sign messages when replying to a signed message' option does not work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3597 --- Comment #1 from Paul --- The option works fine for me. How many accounts do you have? Do they all have this option set? Could it be that the account is switched (manually or automatically) and the account which is switched to does not have this option set? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 20 15:58:51 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 14:58:51 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3597] 'Always sign messages when replying to a signed message' option does not work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3597 --- Comment #2 from olivierthnicole at gmail.com --- This is my only account on Claws. And I'm afraid I don't know what a switched account is… could you explain it? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 20 16:02:06 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:02:06 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3597] 'Always sign messages when replying to a signed message' option does not work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3597 --- Comment #3 from Paul --- What is your account's 'Default privacy system'? (We'll leave general questions for the users' mailing list or IRC) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 20 16:06:28 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:06:28 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3597] 'Always sign messages when replying to a signed message' option does not work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3597 --- Comment #4 from olivierthnicole at gmail.com --- It's PGP inline. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 20 16:08:03 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:08:03 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3597] 'Always sign messages when replying to a signed message' option does not work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3597 --- Comment #5 from olivierthnicole at gmail.com --- But setting to 'PGP/MIME' or 'None' doesn't change anything. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 20 16:17:03 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:17:03 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3597] 'Always sign messages when replying to a signed message' option does not work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3597 --- Comment #6 from Paul --- You have to activate the 'Sign' menu item manually? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From ken_11 at btinternet.com Wed Jan 20 16:43:44 2016 From: ken_11 at btinternet.com (Ken Parkes) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:43:44 +0000 Subject: [Users] Controlling received attachments Message-ID: <20160120154344.7200adf3@AMDdesktop> A yahoo group I'm on is considering increasing file size limits. My link to the outside world is appalling, normally 300Kb/sec. Is there a way to reject large attachments?. Some other members of the group receive thumbnails of photographs with the option of downloading the full file. Thanks for looking, Ken From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 20 16:48:43 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:48:43 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3597] 'Always sign messages when replying to a signed message' option does not work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3597 --- Comment #7 from olivierthnicole at gmail.com --- Yes. And my messages are not signed if I don't. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 20 16:52:48 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:52:48 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3597] 'Always sign messages when replying to a signed message' option does not work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3597 --- Comment #8 from Paul --- What's the output of the following? grep sign_ ~/.claws-mail/accountrc -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From brad at fineby.me.uk Wed Jan 20 16:55:12 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:55:12 +0000 Subject: [Users] Controlling received attachments In-Reply-To: <20160120154344.7200adf3@AMDdesktop> References: <20160120154344.7200adf3@AMDdesktop> Message-ID: <20160120155512.7e9fa390@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:43:44 +0000 Ken Parkes wrote: Hello Ken, >link to the outside world is appalling, normally 300Kb/sec. Is there a >way to reject large attachments?. There's a "per account" setting for size limit of attachments on receiving. What happens to the server copy IDK as I have never used the option. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I ain't got no time for intellectual music, e.g. Hergest Ridge Heads Down No Nonsense Mindless Boogie - Alberto y Lost Trios Paranoias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 20 17:04:37 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:04:37 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3597] 'Always sign messages when replying to a signed message' option does not work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3597 --- Comment #10 from Paul --- It works for me and I don't see how it could fail. There's not really an debug output around the option, but if you can apply a patch and build, then I can send you a patch to gather more debug info. Otherwise, while you are alone in having this failure, this is very likely to be closed as WORKSFORME. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 20 17:18:24 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:18:24 +0000 Subject: [Users] Controlling received attachments In-Reply-To: <20160120155512.7e9fa390@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <20160120154344.7200adf3@AMDdesktop> <20160120155512.7e9fa390@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: <20160120161824.51197b03@kujata> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:55:12 +0000 Brad Rogers wrote: > There's a "per account" setting for size limit of attachments on > receiving. What happens to the server copy IDK as I have never used > the option. That's actually message size limit. The 2 attached imgs show how it works. 1. claws-partial-before.jpg This message is above the limit. We see 'This message has been partially retrieved' and 2 buttons: 'mark for download' and 'mark for deletion. 2. claws-partial-during.jpg I have clicked 'mark for download'. I can still change my mind by clicking the buttons. 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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 20 17:46:06 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:46:06 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3597] 'Always sign messages when replying to a signed message' option does not work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3597 --- Comment #12 from olivierthnicole at gmail.com --- Update: I launched the program from command line (I should've done this firsthand…) and whenever I choose 'Reply' to a signed message I get the following debug message: (claws-mail:24268): Claws-Mail-WARNING **: can't open signature file: '/home/olivier/.signature' -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 20 17:56:50 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:56:50 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3597] 'Always sign messages when replying to a signed message' option does not work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3597 --- Comment #13 from Paul --- (In reply to comment #12) > Update: I launched the program from command line (I should've done this > firsthand…) and whenever I choose 'Reply' to a signed message I get the > following debug message: > > (claws-mail:24268): Claws-Mail-WARNING **: can't open signature file: > '/home/olivier/.signature' False alarm. That is not the GnuPG signature but a standard email signature typically appended to each message you send. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From brad at fineby.me.uk Wed Jan 20 17:56:10 2016 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:56:10 +0000 Subject: [Users] Controlling received attachments In-Reply-To: <20160120161824.51197b03@kujata> References: <20160120154344.7200adf3@AMDdesktop> <20160120155512.7e9fa390@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160120161824.51197b03@kujata> Message-ID: <20160120165610.7e9694d7@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:18:24 +0000 Paul wrote: Hello Paul, >That's actually message size limit. Indeed; My mistake, sorry. Many thanks also for the explanation of how it works. I was totally unaware of its functionality having, as I mentioned, never used it. I really should take a look, as there is a growing number of people that seem to think megabyte (or more) sized attachments to mailing lists are fine. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Success defined by acquisition stinks Money is Not Our God - Killing Joke -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 20 18:31:27 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 17:31:27 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3599] New: retry button on network failure dialog Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3599 Bug ID: 3599 Summary: retry button on network failure dialog Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: GIT Hardware: All OS: All Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P3 Component: UI Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: mones at users.sourceforge.net Typical use case: * launch Claws Mail * click on some IMAP account inbox folder * tries to connect, but fails. Error dialog shows "View log" and "Close", which are OK, but for temporary failures a "Retry" button may help. Saves you from having to open a local folder first, then opening the IMAP inbox again. Thanks in advance, -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From claws-mail at fy3.co.uk Wed Jan 20 20:13:39 2016 From: claws-mail at fy3.co.uk (Chris Hirst) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 19:13:39 +0000 Subject: [Users] Including filter/processing rules In-Reply-To: <20160119201243.2710ab9a@wodan> References: <20151231232012.29be1a48@chris-HP> <20160101032450.27f53d24@busgosu> <20160101171619.57e30071@chris-HP> <20160119171631.21d735d8@chris-HP> <20160119201243.2710ab9a@wodan> Message-ID: <20160120191339.75ef1cf9@chris-HP> hi Holger, Not so, filtering from the "Tools" menu only runs the rules that are defined in the matcherrc [filtering] section not the rules that are used and evaluated by the Perl plugin. There is a further problem that I have found insofar as the filtering does not appear to work as the rather sparse documentation states. The filters appear to behave in the same way as 'Messages -> Move [Enter]' or Ctrl+O -> [Enter] does ie. moves all selected messages to the last used folder rather than rhe folder defined in the rule. Example from perl_filter: ('sensitive' information redacted) ***start extract*** >>> # perl-filter rules template for claws mail >>> ## default rules first >>> # already flagged as spam by server. >>> (matchcase(subject '***SPAM***')) && (move('#mh/default/spam-filtering/server-flagged-spam')); >>> (matchcase(to 'f****@w*****-****.***')) && (matchcase(from 'Mail Delivery')) && (move('#mh/wm-t.**/inbox/failed-spammers')); >>> (matchcase(subject 'REGISTER PREVENTION')) && (matchcase(to 'chris@')) && (move('#mh/wm-t.eu/new-accounts/spambot-reg')); >>> (matchcase(subject '[alpha1uk]')) && (move('#mh/*****-chris/alpha-1-messages')); >>> (matchcase(subject '[qBittorrent]')) && (matchcase(subject '[wishlist]')) && (move('#mh/*********/qbittorrent-github/wishlist')); >>> (matchcase(subject '[qBittorrent]')) && (move('#mh/********/qbittorrent-github')); >>> (matchcase(to 'wp.****@c****.co.uk')) && (move('#mh/wp-file-changed')); >>> (matchcase(subject 'mail delivery failed')) && (matchcase(to 'f****@*******.eu')) && (move('#mh/wm-t.eu/inbox/failed-spammers')); >>> (matchcase(to '*******@*********.co.uk')) && (move('#mh/fy3/****')); >>> (matchcase(to '******@**********.co.uk')) && (matchcase(from 'paypal')) && (move('#mh/****/paypal-messages')); >>> (matchcase(to 'c********y@*******.co.uk')) && (move('#mh/fy3/ebay-messages')); >>> (matchcase(to 'd******s@********.co.uk')) && (move('#mh/*****-chris/inbox/d*******@*****')); >>> ***end extract*** All messages end up in the folder in the first rule (#mh/default/spam-filtering/server-flagged-spam) regardless of whether a filter has been matched or not. Tested several times with different locations in the first 'move' rules. The rules above are ones that were converted by the tool provided. Kind Regards Chris Hirst Technical Director The Internet Factory >>Hallo Chris, >> >>On Di, 19.01.2016 17:16, Chris Hirst wrote: >> >>>So is there some way that the Perl filtering can be triggered from a >>>menu or a toolbar 'button' or something? >> >>yes, using the commands from the tools menu that you mentioned. You >>can even distinguish manual invokation in your filter, if you want. >> >>Holger >>_______________________________________________ >>Users mailing list >>Users at lists.claws-mail.org >>http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users ~~~~~~~~~ So long, and thanks for all the fish. From genghiskhan at gmx.ca Wed Jan 20 23:16:10 2016 From: genghiskhan at gmx.ca (Genghis Khan) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 23:16:10 +0100 Subject: [Users] Simple GTK+ 3 Theme (was: Controlling received attachments) In-Reply-To: <20160120161824.51197b03@kujata> References: <20160120154344.7200adf3@AMDdesktop> <20160120155512.7e9fa390@abydos.stargate.org.uk>, <20160120161824.51197b03@kujata> Message-ID: Hi Paul and friends, Paul, do you have a GTK+ 3 theme of that GTK+ 2 theme? I am desperate for a simple retro theme for GTK+ 3. The best I know of is Mist-Redmond, but it has glitches. http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Mist-Redmond?content=155580 > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 6:18 PM > From: Paul > To: users at lists.claws-mail.org > Subject: Re: [Users] Controlling received attachments > > On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:55:12 +0000 > Brad Rogers wrote: > > > There's a "per account" setting for size limit of attachments on > > receiving. What happens to the server copy IDK as I have never used > > the option. > > That's actually message size limit. > > The 2 attached imgs show how it works. > > 1. claws-partial-before.jpg > This message is above the limit. We see 'This message has been > partially retrieved' and 2 buttons: 'mark for download' and 'mark > for deletion. > > 2. claws-partial-during.jpg > I have clicked 'mark for download'. I can still change my mind by > clicking the buttons. > > I retrieve my messages again. > > 3. claws-partial-after.jpg > The whole message is now downloaded. > > This is somewhat of a hidden feature. > > with regards > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Wed Jan 20 23:34:38 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 23:34:38 +0100 Subject: [Users] Simple GTK+ 3 Theme (was: Controlling received attachments) In-Reply-To: References: <20160120154344.7200adf3@AMDdesktop> <20160120155512.7e9fa390@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160120161824.51197b03@kujata> Message-ID: <20160120233438.284ef8da@archlinux.localdomain> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 23:16:10 +0100, Genghis Khan wrote: >Paul, do you have a GTK+ 3 theme of that GTK+ 2 theme? >I am desperate for a simple retro theme for GTK+ 3. You probably should chose a simple window manager without a desktop environment, openbox, jwm etc. or maybe a tiling window manager. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Jan 21 09:41:20 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 08:41:20 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3596] Installer Icon still the lock from Gpg4win should be Claws-Mail Logo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3596 Andrej Kacian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #3 from Andrej Kacian --- I found where the icon was hiding, and in the new release, coming later today, it will be replaced with a correct Claws Mail icon. Thanks for pointing it out! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From jvromans at squirrel.nl Thu Jan 21 10:00:03 2016 From: jvromans at squirrel.nl (Johan Vromans) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:00:03 +0100 Subject: [Users] confirm 7d98e53f302732b7e4be9854c3690e78dbeecae9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160121100003.7e7e492c@phoenix.squirrel.nl> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 23:46:31 +0100 users-request at lists.claws-mail.org wrote: > Your membership in the mailing list Users has been disabled due to > excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated > 20-Jan-2016. You will not get any more messages from this list until > you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like > this before your membership in the list is deleted. > > To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message > (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at > > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/confirm/users/7d98e53f302732b7e4be9854c3690e78dbeecae9 > > > You can also visit your membership page at > > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/users/jvromans%40squirrel.nl > > > On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such > as your email address and whether you get digests or not. As a > reminder, your membership password is > > fietsp)mp > > If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner > at > > users-owner at lists.claws-mail.org > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Johan Vromans jvromans at squirrel.nl Squirrel Consultancy Exloo, the Netherlands http://www.squirrel.nl http://johan.vromans.org PGP Key 1024D/1298C2B4 http://johan.vromans.org/pgpkey.html ----------------------- "Arms are made for hugging" ------------------------ From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 21 10:19:16 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:19:16 +0100 Subject: [Users] confirm 7d98e53f302732b7e4be9854c3690e78dbeecae9 In-Reply-To: <20160121100003.7e7e492c@phoenix.squirrel.nl> References: <20160121100003.7e7e492c@phoenix.squirrel.nl> Message-ID: <20160121101916.588e0323@archlinux.localdomain> Hi, why did you reply to the mailing list? You could used the link, however, if you want to reply by mail, then why not reply to the appropriated address, users-request at lists.claws-mail.org? You only need to reply without overwriting the address. If idiotic filter and/or folder rules overwrite the address, then fix your rules or manually edit the address. If everybody would send mails that should be send to users-request at lists.claws-mail.org to users at lists.claws-mail.org instead, this list would become a mess. Regards, Ralf From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Jan 21 14:03:53 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 13:03:53 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3392] CRAM-MD5 doesn't work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3392 --- Comment #2 from Andrej Kacian --- You can see it in Network log, found in main window's Tools menu. The line should look something like: [14:02:21] IMAP4> Logging username to 11.22.33.44 using CRAM-MD5 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From ken_11 at btinternet.com Thu Jan 21 14:18:39 2016 From: ken_11 at btinternet.com (Ken Parkes) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 13:18:39 +0000 Subject: [Users] Controlling received attachments In-Reply-To: <20160120161824.51197b03@kujata> References: <20160120154344.7200adf3@AMDdesktop> <20160120155512.7e9fa390@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160120161824.51197b03@kujata> Message-ID: <20160121131839.709528b0@AMDdesktop> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:18:24 +0000 Paul wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:55:12 +0000 > Brad Rogers wrote: > > > There's a "per account" setting for size limit of attachments on > > receiving. What happens to the server copy IDK as I have never used > > the option. > > That's actually message size limit. > > The 2 attached imgs show how it works. > Thank you Brad and Paul. I had tried the message size limit. Having looked at the Headers of post from people claiming their mailer sent thumbnails I realise they are using web-based systems such as Gmail- not the route for me! Regards, Ken From ethy.brito at inexo.com.br Thu Jan 21 16:02:22 2016 From: ethy.brito at inexo.com.br (Ethy H. Brito) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 13:02:22 -0200 Subject: [Users] claws and spamassassin - parallel ? Message-ID: <20160121130222.2beea4e2@pulsar.inexo.com.br> Hi Spamassassin can run several child process to scan emails for spam in parallel. Does Claws-mail make use of this feature? Cheers Ethy From moxalt at riseup.net Thu Jan 21 03:57:54 2016 From: moxalt at riseup.net (Adam Wilson) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 05:57:54 +0300 Subject: [Users] Controlling received attachments In-Reply-To: <20160120154344.7200adf3@AMDdesktop> References: <20160120154344.7200adf3@AMDdesktop> Message-ID: <20160121055754.46890e06@debian> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:43:44 +0000 Ken Parkes wrote: > A yahoo group I'm on is considering increasing file size limits. My > link to the outside world is appalling, normally 300Kb/sec. Is there My internet connection fluctuates between 100-400kb/s and fails randomly (although it's not doing that so much recently). I consider 300kb/s a good solid speed, and thank my lucky stars when I have the privilege of sharing it. What do you consider to be 'fast'? From moxalt at riseup.net Thu Jan 21 03:59:38 2016 From: moxalt at riseup.net (Adam Wilson) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 05:59:38 +0300 Subject: [Users] Simple GTK+ 3 Theme (was: Controlling received attachments) In-Reply-To: <20160120233438.284ef8da@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160120154344.7200adf3@AMDdesktop> <20160120155512.7e9fa390@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160120161824.51197b03@kujata> <20160120233438.284ef8da@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160121055938.1df15ab2@debian> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 23:34:38 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 23:16:10 +0100, Genghis Khan wrote: > >Paul, do you have a GTK+ 3 theme of that GTK+ 2 theme? > >I am desperate for a simple retro theme for GTK+ 3. > > You probably should chose a simple window manager without a desktop > environment, openbox, jwm etc. or maybe a tiling window manager. Indeed. If you are looking for either simplicity or retro appeal, you shouldn't even be using GTK+ 3. Use Xfce with one of the retro themes (Redmond, Xfce) included. From andrej at kacian.sk Thu Jan 21 22:41:43 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 22:41:43 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.13.2-1 for Windows unleashed!! Message-ID: <20160121224143.1d8697f7@penny> 21st January 2016 Claws Mail 3.13.2-1 CLAWS MAIL FOR WINDOWS RELEASE NOTES http://www.claws-mail.org/win32 Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast email client. See http://www.claws-mail.org/news.php for full information regarding changes since the previous release. Changes specific to Windows are: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Installer icon has been updated to show Claws Mail logo (bug #3596) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Are these things highly automated or always a PITA? -- testing bP From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Fri Jan 22 07:30:55 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 07:30:55 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.13.2 Unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20160122164528.3baf7741@PPlive> References: <20160119112548.1965fb62@kujata> <20160122164528.3baf7741@PPlive> Message-ID: <20160122073055.5c7fddd9@archlinux.localdomain> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:45:28 +1100, blind Pete wrote: >On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 11:25:48 +0000 >Paul wrote: > >> 19th January 2016 Claws Mail >> 3.13.2 >[snip] > >Is there a standard procedure to get current releases into >the distribution that I happen to be using? Is it normal >for developers to send mail to all of the big distributions, >or to expect them to browse your web site? I could probably >compile a copy for myself, but that would not help the >community as a whole. Are these things highly automated >or always a PITA? The package maintainers follow the development. You need to read the policy of your distro. Most distros are release model distros, IOW they freeze the versions of the software and only will provide security related upgrades. New software is only provided by the next release. Some distros provide long term support releases, so the user can rely on a work-flow that will not change within the release for several years, e.g. to avoid the need to train employees to use new software. Other distros are rolling releases, they provide the latest software versions, IOW they follow upstream. Since you're using an Ubuntu flavour you can follow the Ubuntu development by the Debian tracker. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/claws-mail The Ubuntu policy is, that there will be no upgrades within a release. "Support length Regular releases are supported for 9 months. Long term support (LTS) releases are for 5 years." - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases Within the support time a release will stay with a version of clwas. Claws will not be upgraded to the recent version. Rolling releases usually aren't user-friendly, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux#User_centrality . Maintaining a rolling release requires much more work, than building a claws package (or claws packages, assumed you prefer to split claws into several packages) for Ubuntu. I'm using Arch and Ubuntu, building from git for Wily doesn't take much time. [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ sudo systemd-nspawn -qD /mnt/moonstudio [root at moonstudio ~]# lsb_release -dc Description: Ubuntu 15.10 Codename: wily [root at moonstudio ~]# dpkg -l claws-mail-git|grep ii ii claws-mail-git 3.13.2-1-geb0880-1 amd64 A GTK+ based e-mail client - git checkout If you consider building claws from git as annoying work, you wont be happy using Arch Linux and unlikely any other rolling release. You should get used to that the distro of your choice doesn't follow upstream. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Fri Jan 22 07:51:26 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 07:51:26 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.13.2 Unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20160122073055.5c7fddd9@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160119112548.1965fb62@kujata> <20160122164528.3baf7741@PPlive> <20160122073055.5c7fddd9@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <1453445486.2869.7.camel@rocketmail.com> On Fri, 2016-01-22 at 07:30 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Since you're using an Ubuntu flavour you can follow the > Ubuntu development by the Debian tracker. Oops, I noticed you are now using "64-pc-linux-gnu" and regarding the Wiki "It is considered a rolling release". Assumed it's a real rolling release, use the appropriated channel to report the claws package as out-of-date. I don't know were to do it for this distro, since I never used it. Perhaps it's normal that this distro needs several days to follow upstream, you should read it's policy and learn how the distro development works, before reporting a package to early as out-of-date. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 22 21:36:36 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:36:36 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3600] New: next_on_delete doesn't work if sorted descending Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3600 Bug ID: 3600 Summary: next_on_delete doesn't work if sorted descending Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.13.1 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI/Message List Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: barry at python.org I just updated Ubuntu's claws-mail to 3.13.1 and have noticed the change in behavior controlled by next_on_delete. I know there is a hidden variable that controls this, but unfortunately it appears not to work correctly when (I think) sort is descending. Specifics: I sort on the message # column, and the little arrow points up, which I believe is sort descending. IOW, the newest message (i.e. the one with the highest message #) is at the top of the message list. Now I hit 'd' to delete the message. The selected message does not change - it stays with the selected and newly deleted message. Note that I also do *not* have "Execute immediately when moving or deleting messages" selected, so the newly deleted message just gets a blue < icon next to it. This happens regardless of whether I set next_on_delete to 0 or 1. Note though, that if I swap the sort order to ascending (i.e. the little arrow points down), then things appear to work as intended. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 22 22:14:56 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:14:56 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3600] next_on_delete doesn't work if sorted descending In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3600 --- Comment #1 from Barry Warsaw --- An update: Basically, ctrl-d (I mistyped that as 'd' in the OP) invokes "Move to Trash" as shown in the Message menu, but because that doesn't happen immediately and in descending sort, the selected message doesn't change. If I select Message->Delete... then I see the correct behavior. So I'm guessing that next_on_delete should be applied to "Move to Trash" too. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 22 22:30:13 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:30:13 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3600] next_on_delete doesn't work if sorted descending In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3600 --- Comment #2 from Barry Warsaw --- Created attachment 1625 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1625&action=edit Proposed patch for this bug Here's a proposed patch that appears to fix the problem for me. Please note that I haven't tested it in all the conditions that may apply, just in the specific set of configurations that I personally use, as described in the bug. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 22 22:33:59 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:33:59 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3600] next_on_delete doesn't work for Move To Trash if sorted descending In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3600 Barry Warsaw changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|next_on_delete doesn't work |next_on_delete doesn't work |if sorted descending |for Move To Trash if sorted | |descending -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Jan 22 22:40:13 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:40:13 +0100 Subject: [Users] next message in threads of date sorted list Message-ID: <20160122224013.45497480@gandalf.lan2> Just a question. When message list is sorted after date and "newest on top", then deleting a message somewhere in the list jumps to the next one above. In case of non-threaded messages, this one is newer, meeting my expectations. But in the case of a thread, it somehow feels wrong. It should be rather the next in thread, which naturally is newer. Instead, it jumps to the next older one, or out of the thread completely. My question is, is it just me feelinglike this. Maybe i got the whole thing wrong and the actual behavior is what most people want. If there are more people agreeing to my view, then i may file a request, but if you tell me it's not intendet feature :) then i can live with it. (ps. I don't think the just now filed #3600 is related, it just inspired me to come out) From andrej at kacian.sk Fri Jan 22 23:14:31 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 23:14:31 +0100 Subject: [Users] next message in threads of date sorted list In-Reply-To: <20160122224013.45497480@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160122224013.45497480@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160122231431.577723ff@penny> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:40:13 +0100 Michael wrote: > Just a question. > > When message list is sorted after date and "newest on top", then deleting a message somewhere in the list jumps to the next one above. In case of non-threaded messages, this one is newer, meeting my expectations. > > But in the case of a thread, it somehow feels wrong. It should be rather the next in thread, which naturally is newer. Instead, it jumps to the next older one, or out of the thread completely. > > My question is, is it just me feelinglike this. Maybe i got the whole thing wrong and the actual behavior is what most people want. > > If there are more people agreeing to my view, then i may file a request, but if you tell me it's not intendet feature :) then i can live with it. > > (ps. I don't think the just now filed #3600 is related, it just inspired me to come out) Just flip the next_on_delete hidden preference. See "Hidden preferences" section at http://claws-mail.org/documentation.php?section=general Regards, -- Andrej From sylpheed at 911networks.com Fri Jan 22 23:20:50 2016 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:20:50 -0800 Subject: [Users] Size of message to display Message-ID: <20160122142050.49ce273c@frogguski.911networks.com> Hi, I have setup a backup job + a few other ancillary functions to run every night on the server, then I receive a detailled email from Anacron of all the tarred files and the rest. It's a 1.26Mb message. Right now CM loads 1Mb of it. Then I can see the rest if needed. Is it possible to configure CM to only load 33k or 50k of the email, then load the rest if I need to? I've looked through the Prefs and don't see an option for that. -- sknahT vyS From andrej at kacian.sk Fri Jan 22 23:42:08 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 23:42:08 +0100 Subject: [Users] Size of message to display In-Reply-To: <20160122142050.49ce273c@frogguski.911networks.com> References: <20160122142050.49ce273c@frogguski.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20160122234208.559097eb@penny> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:20:50 -0800 sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > It's a 1.26Mb message. Right now CM loads 1Mb of it. Then I can see > the rest if needed. > > Is it possible to configure CM to only load 33k or 50k of the email, > then load the rest if I need to? No, this is not configurable. The 1MB threshold is hardcoded. Regards, -- Andrej From codejodler at gmx.ch Sat Jan 23 01:22:09 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 01:22:09 +0100 Subject: [Users] next message in threads of date sorted list In-Reply-To: <20160122231431.577723ff@penny> References: <20160122224013.45497480@gandalf.lan2> <20160122231431.577723ff@penny> Message-ID: <20160123012209.6962c4b0@gandalf.lan2> > Just flip the next_on_delete hidden preference. See "Hidden > preferences" section at http://claws-mail.org/documentation.php?section=general Andrej, I just upgradet to claws 3.13.1 but still ... i can't find such a flag in the documentation, and nothing grepped in my .claws-mail. Can you please give me an example, how it works ? From andrej at kacian.sk Sat Jan 23 01:32:46 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 01:32:46 +0100 Subject: [Users] next message in threads of date sorted list In-Reply-To: <20160123012209.6962c4b0@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160122224013.45497480@gandalf.lan2> <20160122231431.577723ff@penny> <20160123012209.6962c4b0@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160123013246.7af6981b@penny> On Sat, 23 Jan 2016 01:22:09 +0100 Michael wrote: > > Just flip the next_on_delete hidden preference. See "Hidden > > preferences" section at http://claws-mail.org/documentation.php?section=general > > Andrej, > > I just upgradet to claws 3.13.1 but still ... i can't find such a flag in the documentation, and nothing grepped in my .claws-mail. > > Can you please give me an example, how it works ? If you just upgraded to 3.13.1, just run Claws Mail once and exit it. You should then have something like "next_on_delete=0" in your ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc. Change it to "next_on_delete=1", and start Claws Mail again. Regards, -- Andrej From genghiskhan at gmx.ca Sat Jan 23 12:32:30 2016 From: genghiskhan at gmx.ca (Genghis Khan) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 12:32:30 +0100 Subject: [Users] Simple GTK+ 3 Theme (was: Controlling received attachments) In-Reply-To: <20160121055938.1df15ab2@debian> References: <20160120154344.7200adf3@AMDdesktop> <20160120155512.7e9fa390@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20160120161824.51197b03@kujata> <20160120233438.284ef8da@archlinux.localdomain>, <20160121055938.1df15ab2@debian> Message-ID: Gentlemen, First of all, eventually, GTK+ 3 would be widely used. Second, my machines, except for a 32-bit notebook with a very weak graphics card, can handle complex graphics. I do not like the contrived 3D buttons and backgrounds, nor do I like the flat styles offered in recent years by the dominant proprietary or java platforms. I love the flat and retro (JUST SIMPLE) style. Theme Redmond is not a theme I like, unless is flat. P.S. I use Fluxbox on my 32-bit notebook. > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 at 4:59 AM > From: "Adam Wilson" > To: users at lists.claws-mail.org > Subject: Re: [Users] Simple GTK+ 3 Theme (was: Controlling received attachments) > > On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 23:34:38 +0100 Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > > On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 23:16:10 +0100, Genghis Khan wrote: > > >Paul, do you have a GTK+ 3 theme of that GTK+ 2 theme? > > >I am desperate for a simple retro theme for GTK+ 3. > > > > You probably should chose a simple window manager without a desktop > > environment, openbox, jwm etc. or maybe a tiling window manager. > > Indeed. If you are looking for either simplicity or retro appeal, you > shouldn't even be using GTK+ 3. Use Xfce with one of the retro themes > (Redmond, Xfce) included. > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 23 12:47:29 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:47:29 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3598] use after free in function summary_execute_move_func() In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3598 --- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian --- I am not familiar with how exactly asan works, but from the attachment I get the impression that it overwrites (marks) freed heap memory areas with arbitrary bytes. Could this bug then be triggered by procmsg_msginfo_free() not zeroing out pointers to memory it frees? I can see that e.g. in summary_execute_move_func(), if the "msginfo" pointer points to a freed memory (perhaps freed by messageview_clear(), called from summary_unthread_for_exec(), which itself is called one or two stack frames above and before summary_execute_move_func()), and asan overwriting the freed memory with 0xfd, how most of the conditions touching the "msginfo" pointer in this functions would evaluate to true: line 5185: if (msginfo && MSG_IS_MOVE(msginfo->flags) && msginfo->to_folder) { line 5197: if (prefs_common.thread_by_subject && msginfo->subject && *msginfo->subject && node == subject_table_lookup(summaryview->subject_table, msginfo->subject)) { Possible solution: perhaps have procmsg_msginfo_free() assign NULL to each pointer to memory it frees? E.g.: g_free(msginfo->fromspace); msginfo->fromspace = NULL; -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 23 13:32:15 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 12:32:15 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3598] use after free in function summary_execute_move_func() In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3598 --- Comment #2 from Hanno Boeck --- What asan does is esentially that it records freed memory and will throw an error if you try to access it. Your code lines both seem problematic: line 5185: if (msginfo && MSG_IS_MOVE(msginfo->flags) && msginfo->to_folder) { This seems to assume that "if (msginfo" will tell you whether msginfo contains a valid object, i.e. it must contain a null pointer if it doesn't. In order to have this guarantee you must a) pre-initialize the pointer with null b) make sure on every free it get's assigned null There are many such checks in the code. line 5197: if (prefs_common.thread_by_subject && msginfo->subject && *msginfo->subject && node == subject_table_lookup(summaryview->subject_table, msginfo->subject)) { This is the same issue, except that it seems to expect msginfo->subject to be always null. This seems like a bigger issue that is scattered throughout the codebase... Essentially each line like this: procmsg_msginfo_free(msginfo); would need a msginfo = NULL; after it. Not sure how to start tackling this, it seems a lot of work. (But would probably increase overall stability, these uaf issues can lead to weird instability behavior.) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 23 13:42:07 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 12:42:07 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3598] use after free in function summary_execute_move_func() In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3598 --- Comment #3 from Andrej Kacian --- That's (In reply to comment #2) > Essentially each line like this: > procmsg_msginfo_free(msginfo); > would need a > msginfo = NULL; > after it. > > Not sure how to start tackling this, it seems a lot of work. (But would > probably increase overall stability, these uaf issues can lead to weird > instability behavior.) Yes, that was my proposed solution. I think a "msginfo = NULL;" line at the end of procmsg_msginfo_free() should be enough to fix this particular use-after-free instance, as that function is the only way we use to free the heap-allocated MsgInfo structs. Setting all the pointer members of MsgInfo to NULL in procmsg_msginfo_free() is a nice safety bonus, and shouldn't incur much performance penalty. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 23 14:10:27 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 13:10:27 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3601] New: Mail lost when moving folder in IMAP Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3601 Bug ID: 3601 Summary: Mail lost when moving folder in IMAP Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: GIT Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: major Priority: P3 Component: Folders/IMAP Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: kae at midnighthax.com IMAP server: Dovecot 2.2.13 When moving a folder containing mail to another location within the folder tree, the destination folder is created but the contents of the source folder are not copied; the source folder and contents are deleted. The result is an empty destination folder. It may be that Dovecot is, in some way, contributing to this. I've posted the IMAP log below (I've changed the name of the IMAP server in the logs, but otherwise unedited). A few observations: - Dovecot reports that the destination folder is created, yet reports it doesn't exist when Claws tries to SUBSCRIBE to it. This may be some kind of race condition; when the entire operation is complete, the destination folder *does* exist. - There is an error when Claws SUBSCRIBEs to the destination folder, but Claws doesn't check for errors at that point. - After Claws issues the COPY, Dovecot reports NO. I believe, at this point, Claws should abort the move. Even if the original bug is within Dovecot (and that's not clear), once Claws is told that the COPY has failed, it should not go on to delete the source mails and folder. I can reliably reproduce this. The situation may be made more complex by the fact that the destination folder is a "public" folder within Dovecot; however, the key issue above is that Claws continues with the deletion of the source mails and folder despite being told that the copy has failed. A first pass of the code suggests that this may be an Etpan bug, possibly within threaded_run(). I'm happy to do more research or test potential fixes. IMAP log, moving folder 'test' to 'public/accounts': * Account 'TCL': Connecting to IMAP4 server: imap.example.com:993... [12:37:08] IMAP4< * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE IDLE AUTH=PLAIN] Dovecot ready. * IMAP connection is un-authenticated [12:37:08] IMAP4> 1 CAPABILITY [12:37:08] IMAP4< * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE IDLE AUTH=PLAIN [12:37:08] IMAP4< 1 OK Pre-login capabilities listed, post-login capabilities have more. [12:37:08] IMAP4> Logging kae to imap.example.com using LOGIN [12:37:08] IMAP4< Logged in [12:37:08] IMAP4< Login to imap.example.com successful [12:37:08] IMAP4> 3 LIST "" "" [12:37:08] IMAP4< * LIST (\Noselect) "/" "" [12:37:08] IMAP4< 3 OK List completed. [12:37:08] IMAP4> 4 LIST "" "public/accounts/test" [12:37:08] IMAP4< 4 OK List completed. [12:37:08] IMAP4> 5 CREATE "public/accounts/test" [12:37:08] IMAP4< 5 OK Create completed. [12:37:08] IMAP4> 6 LIST "" "public/accounts/test" [12:37:08] IMAP4< 6 OK List completed. [12:37:08] IMAP4> 7 SUBSCRIBE "public/accounts/test" [12:37:08] IMAP4< 7 NO Mailbox doesn't exist: public/accounts/test * Moving test to public/accounts/test... [12:37:08] IMAP4> 8 SELECT test [12:37:08] IMAP4< * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Draft) [12:37:08] IMAP4< * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Draft \*)] Flags permitted. [12:37:08] IMAP4< * 2 EXISTS [12:37:08] IMAP4< * 0 RECENT [12:37:08] IMAP4< * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1251379324] UIDs valid [12:37:08] IMAP4< * OK [UIDNEXT 3] Predicted next UID [12:37:08] IMAP4< 8 OK [READ-WRITE] Select completed (0.000 secs). [12:37:08] IMAP4> 9 UID COPY 1:2 "public/accounts/test" [12:37:08] IMAP4< 9 NO [TRYCREATE] Mailbox doesn't exist: public/accounts/test ** IMAP error on imap.example.com: UID COPY error [12:37:08] IMAP4> 10 UID STORE 1:2 +FLAGS.SILENT (\Deleted) [12:37:08] IMAP4< 10 OK Store completed. [12:37:08] IMAP4> 11 EXPUNGE [12:37:08] IMAP4< * 2 EXPUNGE [12:37:08] IMAP4< * 1 EXPUNGE [12:37:08] IMAP4< 11 OK Expunge completed. [12:37:08] IMAP4> 12 UNSUBSCRIBE test [12:37:08] IMAP4< 12 OK Unsubscribe completed. [12:37:08] IMAP4> 13 CLOSE [12:37:08] IMAP4< 13 OK Close completed. [12:37:08] IMAP4> 14 DELETE test [12:37:09] IMAP4< 14 OK Delete completed. [12:37:09] IMAP4> 15 STATUS "public/accounts/test" (MESSAGES UIDNEXT UIDVALIDITY UNSEEN) [12:37:09] IMAP4< 15 NO Mailbox doesn't exist: public/accounts/test ** IMAP error on imap.example.com: STATUS error -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 23 14:43:54 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 13:43:54 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3598] use after free in function summary_execute_move_func() In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3598 --- Comment #4 from Michael Rasmussen --- (In reply to comment #3) > > Yes, that was my proposed solution. I think a "msginfo = NULL;" line at the > end of procmsg_msginfo_free() should be enough to fix this particular > use-after-free instance, as that function is the only way we use to free the > heap-allocated MsgInfo structs. > > Setting all the pointer members of MsgInfo to NULL in procmsg_msginfo_free() > is a nice safety bonus, and shouldn't incur much performance penalty. You would still need to assign NULL to your own pointer since adding msginfo = NULL in procmsg_msginfo_free will only operate on what your a pointing to and not your own pointer. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 23 14:48:40 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 13:48:40 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3601] Mail lost when moving folder in IMAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3601 --- Comment #1 from Michael Rasmussen --- (In reply to comment #0) > [12:37:08] IMAP4> 5 CREATE "public/accounts/test" > [12:37:08] IMAP4< 5 OK Create completed. > [12:37:08] IMAP4> 6 LIST "" "public/accounts/test" > [12:37:08] IMAP4< 6 OK List completed. > [12:37:08] IMAP4> 7 SUBSCRIBE "public/accounts/test" > [12:37:08] IMAP4< 7 NO Mailbox doesn't exist: public/accounts/test > * Moving test to public/accounts/test... Looks like either a permission problem on the server or malfunctioning configuration of the server. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 23 14:54:01 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 13:54:01 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3598] use after free in function summary_execute_move_func() In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3598 --- Comment #5 from Hanno Boeck --- >You would still need to assign NULL to your own pointer since adding msginfo = >NULL in procmsg_msginfo_free will only operate on what your a pointing to and >not your own pointer. Exactly. That's what makes it complicated. There are two ways out: a) change procmsg_msginfo_free() to not operate on a pointer, but a pointer to a pointer (**msginfo). Then you can pass &msginfo and zero that. b) change each call of procmsg_msginfo_free() to have a subsequent msginfo = NULL. Option a) has the additional downside that this requires you to make this change also within plugins. Both options don't look very nice. There may be also option c) add a new function procmsg_msginfo_free_pointer() which: * calls procmsg_msginfo_free() * sets the given pointer to NULL This wouldn't outright break all existing code and it could be migrated slowly. At some point you might then want to deprecate calling procmsg_msginfo_free directly. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 23 15:17:13 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 14:17:13 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3598] use after free in function summary_execute_move_func() In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3598 --- Comment #6 from Andrej Kacian --- Yes, thanks to both of you, I wasn't thinking clearly there. :) As we do not have any plugins that we know of outside of our main source tree (in src/plugins/), I would prefer option A, since the mentioned downside is non-existent - the plugins' code can get updated at the same time as the core, it's just slightly more search&replace work. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 23 15:17:13 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 14:17:13 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3598] use after free in function summary_execute_move_func() In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3598 --- Comment #7 from users at lists.claws-mail.org --- Changes related to this bug have been committed. Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly. You can also get the patch from: http://git.claws-mail.org/ ++ ChangeLog 2016-01-23 16:51:02.978908057 +0100 http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=fba615e2e1f19b953304521c4fbbf05f2bad70ef Merge: 5f3008d bfb1815 Author: Colin Leroy Date: Sat Jan 23 16:51:02 2016 +0100 Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=bfb18150efae6fc3eb1c7f436e1ffc86c8e375fa Author: Andrej Kacian Date: Sat Jan 23 15:40:38 2016 +0100 Make procmsg_msginfo_free() zero out pointers to freed memory. The function's argument type changes from MsgInfo* to MsgInfo**, so that we can zero out the pointer. This closes bug #3598, reported by Hanno Boeck. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 23 16:57:50 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 15:57:50 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3601] Mail lost when moving folder in IMAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3601 --- Comment #2 from Keith Edmunds --- Possibly. However, the fact remains that Claws deletes the source folder after it has been told the copy has failed. That is a Claws bug. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 24 01:46:19 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 00:46:19 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3602] New: 3.13.2 can't build on OS X without change to src/Makefile.am Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3602 Bug ID: 3602 Summary: 3.13.2 can't build on OS X without change to src/Makefile.am Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.13.2 Hardware: PC OS: Mac OS X 10.2 Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Other Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: perry at piermont.com On OS X 10.11.3 (btw, not an option in the Bugzilla platform options:) src/Makefile.am assumes that if you're not on Windows that --export-dynamic is a fine linker option on all Unix platforms. However, on OS X, you need to use -export_dynamic and otherwise the build dies. I verified that fixing this by editing Makefile.am and doing an autoreconf worked -- the build then functioned. I'd submit a patch but I'm unsure about what if PLATFORM_ goop I need to specify OS X. FYI, I'm the macports maintainer for claws-mail -- for the moment I've done a kludgy patch on macports so that it can be updated to 3.13.2 so that the remote exploit can be fixed, but I'd like to "do this right" soon. Happy to test fixes made to the git version btw. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From jvromans at squirrel.nl Sun Jan 24 17:24:45 2016 From: jvromans at squirrel.nl (Johan Vromans) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:24:45 +0100 Subject: [Users] confirm 7d98e53f302732b7e4be9854c3690e78dbeecae9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160124172445.2dcaa39a@phoenix.squirrel.nl> Hi list, No, this is not another attempt to post my (modified) password. But something strange is going on... The confirm message ends up in my Claws-Mail folder (IMAP). This folder has been configured to use users at lists.claws.org as default for To: when composing and replying. So when I compose a new message while viewing this folder it goes to the correct list. My interpretation of "default" would be that this value is supplied when there is no sender information available (as is the case when composing a new message). The confirm message from the list manager has a good sender address, so I would expect Claws to NOT supply the default To: in this case. From edodd55 at gmail.com Sun Jan 24 20:40:44 2016 From: edodd55 at gmail.com (Liz) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 06:40:44 +1100 Subject: [Users] confirm 7d98e53f302732b7e4be9854c3690e78dbeecae9 In-Reply-To: <20160124172445.2dcaa39a@phoenix.squirrel.nl> References: <20160124172445.2dcaa39a@phoenix.squirrel.nl> Message-ID: <20160125064044.64007e83.edodd55@gmail.com> On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:24:45 +0100 Johan Vromans wrote: > Hi list, > > No, this is not another attempt to post my (modified) password. But > something strange is going on... > > The confirm message ends up in my Claws-Mail folder (IMAP). This > folder has been configured to use users at lists.claws.org as default > for To: when composing and replying. So when I compose a new message > while viewing this folder it goes to the correct list. > > My interpretation of "default" would be that this value is supplied > when there is no sender information available (as is the case when > composing a new message). > > The confirm message from the list manager has a good sender address, > so I would expect Claws to NOT supply the default To: in this case. You are seeing these possibilities "To:" and "Reply To:" as alternate, but I think they are additive. Liz From berndth at gmx.de Sun Jan 24 22:14:06 2016 From: berndth at gmx.de (Holger Berndt) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 22:14:06 +0100 Subject: [Users] Including filter/processing rules In-Reply-To: <20160120191339.75ef1cf9@chris-HP> References: <20151231232012.29be1a48@chris-HP> <20160101032450.27f53d24@busgosu> <20160101171619.57e30071@chris-HP> <20160119171631.21d735d8@chris-HP> <20160119201243.2710ab9a@wodan> <20160120191339.75ef1cf9@chris-HP> Message-ID: <20160124221406.145b02e9@wodan> Hallo Chris, On Mi, 20.01.2016 19:13, Chris Hirst wrote: >Not so, filtering from the "Tools" menu only runs the rules that are defined in the matcherrc [filtering] section not the rules that are used and evaluated by the Perl plugin. No, if this is the case for you, then something else is wrong. >The rules above are ones that were converted by the tool provided. Maybe this is the problem. The conversion tool is very old, and I think the built-in filter synthax changed a few time since then. You might be better off writing your rules by hand. Holger From codejodler at gmx.ch Sun Jan 24 23:59:08 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 23:59:08 +0100 Subject: [Users] next message in threads of date sorted list In-Reply-To: <20160123013246.7af6981b@penny> References: <20160122224013.45497480@gandalf.lan2> <20160122231431.577723ff@penny> <20160123012209.6962c4b0@gandalf.lan2> <20160123013246.7af6981b@penny> Message-ID: <20160124235908.72033dab@gandalf.lan2> (sorry if i lost the thread?) I modified ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc " to "next_on_delete=1", and restarted Claws, as Andreij suggested. However, the behavior did not change in any way. Is this option really enabled ? Just to clarify, message list sorted by date and little arrow pointing up. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 25 12:23:45 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:23:45 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3598] use after free in function summary_execute_move_func() In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3598 Andrej Kacian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #8 from Andrej Kacian --- Thanks again, Hanno. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From barry at python.org Tue Jan 26 21:15:54 2016 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:15:54 -0500 Subject: [Users] next message in threads of date sorted list References: <20160122224013.45497480@gandalf.lan2> <20160122231431.577723ff@penny> <20160123012209.6962c4b0@gandalf.lan2> <20160123013246.7af6981b@penny> <20160124235908.72033dab@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160126151554.085e0935@anarchist.wooz.org> On Jan 24, 2016, at 11:59 PM, Michael wrote: >I modified ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc " to "next_on_delete=1", and restarted >Claws, as Andreij suggested. > >However, the behavior did not change in any way. Is this option really >enabled ? > >Just to clarify, message list sorted by date and little arrow pointing up. Do you have "Execute immediately when moving or deleting messages" selected? If not, then it's possible that #3600 also affects you. If you're able to, please do give my patch in that issue a try. I've been running with that since I posted the diff and it's been working perfectly for me. Cheers, -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 27 01:03:06 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 01:03:06 +0100 Subject: [Users] next message in threads of date sorted list In-Reply-To: <20160126151554.085e0935@anarchist.wooz.org> References: <20160122224013.45497480@gandalf.lan2> <20160122231431.577723ff@penny> <20160123012209.6962c4b0@gandalf.lan2> <20160123013246.7af6981b@penny> <20160124235908.72033dab@gandalf.lan2> <20160126151554.085e0935@anarchist.wooz.org> Message-ID: <20160127010306.5192d761@gandalf.lan2> Barry, Yes, the option 'move immediately' is selected. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 27 14:22:07 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:22:07 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3603] New: Feeds from Reddit are empty Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3603 Bug ID: 3603 Summary: Feeds from Reddit are empty Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.11.1 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Plugins/RSSyl Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: greencoppermine at yandex.com Created attachment 1626 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1626&action=edit Screenshot of feeds being empty I normally read all my RSS/Atom feeds using Claws-mail with RSSyl. This morning all the feeds from Reddit became blank and refreshing the feeds doesn't help. The Reddit feed still works well in Firefox. An example feed is: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux.rss Viewing this in say Firefox works perfectly, but adding this feed to Claws-mail makes the feed turn up empty, like it doesn't contain any posts. I then ran a strace and found this: openat(AT_FDCWD, "/home/foo/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)//Reddit Linux", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY|O_CLOEXEC) = 16 getdents(16, /* 4 entries */, 32768) = 112 getdents(16, /* 0 entries */, 32768) = 0 close(16) = 0 access("/home/foo/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)//Reddit Linux/.deleted", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) stat("/home/foo/.claws-mail/RSSyl/My Feeds (RSSyl)//Reddit Linux/.deleted", 0x7ffc13680400) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Which I don't know if it has anything to say. Looking at all the folders from the Reddit feels shows empty folders, but folders from other feeds contains files. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 27 15:03:02 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:03:02 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3603] Feeds from Reddit are empty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3603 --- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian --- That's because RSSyl does not yet handle Atom content encoded as xhtml, which means inline HTML tags mixed up with XML structure of the feed. See http://atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/#text for reference. I plan to do this eventually, but I can't give any estimates right now. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 27 15:03:02 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:03:02 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3603] Feeds from Reddit are empty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3603 --- Comment #2 from users at lists.claws-mail.org --- Changes related to this bug have been committed. Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly. You can also get the patch from: http://git.claws-mail.org/ ++ ChangeLog 2016-01-27 16:55:02.846142703 +0100 http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e8cb034dc224a28153ca9a0b810ae4a640ebeff Merge: f394b61 543c7d3 Author: Colin Leroy Date: Wed Jan 27 16:55:02 2016 +0100 Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=543c7d33942ec31d4f81af6ecc0aa2aa28e85e7c Author: Andrej Kacian Date: Wed Jan 27 16:54:07 2016 +0100 RSSyl: Handle XHTML content correctly for Atom feeds. Fixes bug #3603. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 27 18:03:36 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 18:03:36 +0100 Subject: [Users] silly question Message-ID: <20160127180336.022d1b03@gandalf.lan2> Hello, I'm blocked somehow ... all my machines default to en_US but now i want to start claws with German DE locale. From a X terminal, i tried various combinations of LANG / LANGUAGE=DE / de_DE.UTF-8 in commandlines like 'export LANG=DE && claws-mail' but it diint work (tm). How do i change the locale, for one application only ? From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 27 18:05:21 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 18:05:21 +0100 Subject: [Users] silly question In-Reply-To: <20160127180336.022d1b03@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160127180336.022d1b03@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160127180521.37fe5cd9@gandalf.lan2> Forgot to say, it's Debian 'testing' and the claws-mail-i18n package is installed. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Wed Jan 27 18:17:26 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 18:17:26 +0100 Subject: [Users] silly question In-Reply-To: <20160127180336.022d1b03@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160127180336.022d1b03@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160127181726.0d0fcedd@archlinux.localdomain> Hi Michael, [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ LANG=de_DE.utf8 claws-mail works for me, I tested it right now for the first time. Perhaps you need to generate the locals. You can see the already available locals by running [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ locale -a C de_DE de_DE at euro de_DE.iso88591 de_DE.iso885915 at euro de_DE.utf8 deutsch en_GB en_GB.iso88591 en_GB.utf8 en_US.utf8 german POSIX I only generated the German locals, just in case I ever should be willing to do translations. Some software requires language packages, but seemingly not claw-mail-git from AUR, but maybe claws-mail from distros that split packages. Here is explained how to generate locals: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Locale Regards, Ralf From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Wed Jan 27 18:32:50 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 18:32:50 +0100 Subject: [Users] silly question In-Reply-To: <20160127180521.37fe5cd9@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160127180336.022d1b03@gandalf.lan2> <20160127180521.37fe5cd9@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <1453915970.32283.4.camel@rocketmail.com> On Wed, 2016-01-27 at 18:05 +0100, Michael wrote: > Forgot to say, it's Debian 'testing' and the claws-mail-i18n package > is installed. Regarding https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/claws-mail-i18n/filelist the translation should be located in the same location as it is for Arch. [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -l /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/claws-mail.mo -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 363178 Jan 20 17:19 /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/claws-mail.mo From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 27 19:20:20 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 18:20:20 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3603] Feeds from Reddit are empty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3603 Andrej Kacian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #3 from Andrej Kacian --- The fix will be in next Claws Mail release. Thanks for the bugreport! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 27 21:48:34 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:48:34 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3603] Feeds from Reddit are empty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3603 --- Comment #4 from greencoppermine at gmail.com --- I added the patches on Debian and tried to build the package, but got the following error: parser_atom10.c:35:2: error: redeclaration of enumerator 'FEED_LOC_ATOM10_NONE' FEED_LOC_ATOM10_NONE, ^ In file included from parser.h:25:0, from parser_atom10.c:31: parser_atom10.h:27:2: note: previous definition of 'FEED_LOC_ATOM10_NONE' was here FEED_LOC_ATOM10_NONE, ^ parser_atom10.c:36:2: error: redeclaration of enumerator 'FEED_LOC_ATOM10_ENTRY' FEED_LOC_ATOM10_ENTRY, ^ In file included from parser.h:25:0, from parser_atom10.c:31: parser_atom10.h:28:2: note: previous definition of 'FEED_LOC_ATOM10_ENTRY' was here FEED_LOC_ATOM10_ENTRY, ^ parser_atom10.c:37:2: error: redeclaration of enumerator 'FEED_LOC_ATOM10_AUTHOR' FEED_LOC_ATOM10_AUTHOR, ^ In file included from parser.h:25:0, from parser_atom10.c:31: parser_atom10.h:29:2: note: previous definition of 'FEED_LOC_ATOM10_AUTHOR' was here FEED_LOC_ATOM10_AUTHOR, ^ parser_atom10.c:38:2: error: redeclaration of enumerator 'FEED_LOC_ATOM10_SOURCE' FEED_LOC_ATOM10_SOURCE, ^ In file included from parser.h:25:0, from parser_atom10.c:31: parser_atom10.h:30:2: note: previous definition of 'FEED_LOC_ATOM10_SOURCE' was here FEED_LOC_ATOM10_SOURCE, ^ parser_atom10.c:39:2: error: redeclaration of enumerator 'FEED_LOC_ATOM10_CONTENT' FEED_LOC_ATOM10_CONTENT ^ In file included from parser.h:25:0, from parser_atom10.c:31: parser_atom10.h:31:2: note: previous definition of 'FEED_LOC_ATOM10_CONTENT' was here FEED_LOC_ATOM10_CONTENT ^ parser_atom10.c:40:3: error: conflicting types for 'FeedAtom10Locations' } FeedAtom10Locations; ^ In file included from parser.h:25:0, from parser_atom10.c:31: parser_atom10.h:32:3: note: previous declaration of 'FeedAtom10Locations' was here } FeedAtom10Locations; ^ Makefile:557: recipe for target 'libfeed_la-parser_atom10.lo' failed make[8]: *** [libfeed_la-parser_atom10.lo] Error 1 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 27 21:59:26 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:59:26 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3603] Feeds from Reddit are empty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3603 --- Comment #5 from Andrej Kacian --- Your source tree must be mangled in some way, the FeedAtom10Locations enum is not defined parser_atom10.h at all, see http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=blob;f=src/plugins/rssyl/libfeed/parser_atom10.h;hb=HEAD how the file should look like. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 27 22:34:24 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:34:24 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3603] Feeds from Reddit are empty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3603 --- Comment #6 from greencoppermine at gmail.com --- Thanks a lot! I don't know what the Debian guys have changed, but I used the original and compiled RSSyl. The feeds work now. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 27 23:05:49 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 22:05:49 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3603] Feeds from Reddit are empty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3603 --- Comment #7 from greencoppermine at gmail.com --- Hmm. Dates gets messed up. See screenshot for the Linux feed on Reddit. http://ibin.co/2Uwf4rnyft7e -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 27 23:13:59 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 23:13:59 +0100 Subject: [Users] silly question (solved) In-Reply-To: <1453915970.32283.4.camel@rocketmail.com> References: <20160127180336.022d1b03@gandalf.lan2> <20160127180521.37fe5cd9@gandalf.lan2> <1453915970.32283.4.camel@rocketmail.com> Message-ID: <20160127231359.69080d45@gandalf.lan2> thx Ralf. Here is the analysis, go figure... Both /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/ and /usr/share/locale/de_DE/LC_MESSAGES/ are plain empty. Listing the installed packages by 'dpkg -L claws-mail-i18n' shows German should be there, as /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/claws-mail.mo and a locale-gen run does not complain either: / r: locale-gen Generating locales (this might take a while)... de_DE.ISO-8859-15 at euro... done de_DE.ISO-8859-1... done de_DE.UTF-8... done Generation complete. and then i remembered, i'm using the 'localepurge' package installer hook, which purges unnecessary locales. But the config file /etc/locale.nopurge contains: de_DE at euro de_DE.UTF-8 de_DE and i was always expecting it to work. (Though i could not notice bugs because i'm running anything in EN anyway.) But when i deinstalled localepurge and reinstalled claws-mail-i18n i suddenly got back the file /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/claws-mail.mo but running 'LANG=de_DE claws-mail' still did not show a German UI. I had to make it 'LANGUAGE=de_DE claws-mail' and this is the single only combination that works ! Trying to find out why localepurge deletes the claws .mo file, i exchanged its config file by exactly the content of /etc/locale.gen de_DE at euro ISO-8859-15 de_DE ISO-8859-1 de_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8 but that didn't make any difference, it still deletes the claws .mo file. It turns out that localepurge leaves claws-mail.mo alone only if i configre a simple "de" as locale in /etc/locale.nopurge. I've got no idea how to interpret this, but anyway, my question got answered and the problem is solved :) thx for your advice. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 27 23:53:56 2016 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 22:53:56 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3603] Feeds from Reddit are empty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3603 --- Comment #8 from Andrej Kacian --- Works over here: http://ibin.co/2Uwt9pQZk5Ms You should update Claws Mail to at least 3.12.0, where this particular bug was fixed. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 28 05:27:10 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 05:27:10 +0100 Subject: [Users] silly question (solved) In-Reply-To: <20160127231359.69080d45@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160127180336.022d1b03@gandalf.lan2> <20160127180521.37fe5cd9@gandalf.lan2> <1453915970.32283.4.camel@rocketmail.com> <20160127231359.69080d45@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160128052710.6c2758f4@archlinux.localdomain> Did you try to reconfigure by 'dpkg-reconfigure locales', https://wiki.debian.org/Locale ? This reminds me that I'm using the English language, but a German keyboard, so for some calculators I run into issues regarding the num pad's ',' vs '.'. 'galculator' translates the ',' to '.', but other calculators keep the ','. Using LANG=de_DE fixed it for 'mate-calc' but doesn't for (fox) 'calculator'. Regarding claws-mail, for Arch LANG and LANGUAGE de_DE work. From codejodler at gmx.ch Thu Jan 28 14:27:14 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:27:14 +0100 Subject: [Users] silly question (solved) In-Reply-To: <20160128052710.6c2758f4@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160127180336.022d1b03@gandalf.lan2> <20160127180521.37fe5cd9@gandalf.lan2> <1453915970.32283.4.camel@rocketmail.com> <20160127231359.69080d45@gandalf.lan2> <20160128052710.6c2758f4@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160128142714.068dbfcd@gandalf.lan2> Ralf, > Did you try to reconfigure by 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' Yes, my locales are created that way in the first place with every update - but this debian hook does not do much more than to offer a list for selection, save that into /etc/locale.gen, and then invoke locale-gen. Maybe there's a bug in localpurge. But anyway, it gots nothing to do with claws, so let's close this discussion here. From help123 at dobrynin.us Thu Jan 28 16:55:03 2016 From: help123 at dobrynin.us (help123 at dobrynin.us) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:55:03 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields Message-ID: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> Dear all, I tried to send a message using ClawsMail, so I entered something into the "TO:" field in the composer. I then added a "BCC:", and this is when the original "TO:" field VANISHED. I re-entered it, and re-entered it again, so I inadvertently sent a message to the same address but repeated three times. My question is: HOW DO I KEEP THE ADDRESS FIELDS VISIBLE AND PREVENT THEM FROM EVER BEING HIDDEN? Many thanks, Nickolai PS You understand that hiding an address field is a recipe for disaster because you may enter a wrong address, forget that you entered it, and enter a different one, so the message will be sent to one additional recipient WITHOUT YOU REALIZING IT. This is scary! Yes, I've read about using Shift-Tab, but this sanity check is SO easy to skip, especially when you're in a hurry. Why would somebody make such a design decision???? From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Jan 28 17:14:59 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:14:59 +0000 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> Message-ID: <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:55:03 +0100 help123 at dobrynin.us wrote: > I tried to send a message using ClawsMail, so I entered > something into the "TO:" field in the composer. I then > added a "BCC:", and this is when the original "TO:" field > VANISHED. I re-entered it, and re-entered it again, so > I inadvertently sent a message to the same address but > repeated three times. > > My question is: HOW DO I KEEP THE ADDRESS FIELDS VISIBLE > AND PREVENT THEM FROM EVER BEING HIDDEN? When you enter an address, notice the scrollbar on the right. Use this to scroll up to previous entries. You could/should just give the address entry area more vertical space by using the grab bar at the bottom to make it taller. > Why would somebody make such a design decision???? Beats me. with regards Paul From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 28 17:20:53 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:20:53 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> Message-ID: <20160128172053.1cf56ea6@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:55:03 +0100, help123 at dobrynin.us wrote: >I tried to send a message using ClawsMail, so I entered >something into the "TO:" field in the composer. I then >added a "BCC:", and this is when the original "TO:" field >VANISHED. I can't reproduce this. You are aware that you can resize the part of the composer window containing the To, CC, Bcc etc. fields? In the middle, above the subject line there are a few dots ".....", grab them and resize the window selection. Assumed you wish to keep this section of the window small, than take care of the scroll bar at the right side. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 28 17:26:25 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:26:25 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> Message-ID: <20160128172625.2aa2ccc5@archlinux.localdomain> PS: Don't use the selection box of an address line that already contains an address. Below that line will appear a new and empty line and selection box. From pf at pfortin.com Thu Jan 28 18:19:36 2016 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:19:36 -0500 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> Message-ID: <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:14:59 +0000 Paul wrote: >When you enter an address, notice the scrollbar on the right. This complaint happens quite a bit. Maybe moving the scroll bar to where the user's eyes are focusing would help... such as having it appear between the {To|Bcc|...} selectors and the address inputs... :) From help123 at dobrynin.us Thu Jan 28 18:28:05 2016 From: help123 at dobrynin.us (help123 at dobrynin.us) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:28:05 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128172625.2aa2ccc5@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128172625.2aa2ccc5@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160128182805.Horde.U-U6gDlNmMFlUBJN6SIaU9T@webmail.your-server.de> Dear Ralf, Paul, and Pierre, The vertical scrollbar solves it. I wish I noticed it sooner, but it was small. I was about to start playing with $HOME/.claws-mail/dispheaderrc Configuration for custom display of headers in message view What must have happened in my case was that the address area scrolled automatically which made it look like something had disappeared. And in a way, it *did*. I would have expected the address fields, regardless of how many, to remain visible. If someone would consider adding that flag, that would be awesome. I may be new to ClawsMail, but the ease with which this happened makes me think that someone else may overlook this scrollbar, too. And, indeed, that's what Pierre now confirms. Anyhow, thanks everyone very much! Nickolai Quoting Ralf Mardorf : > PS: Don't use the selection box of an address line that already contains > an address. Below that line will appear a new and empty line and > selection box. > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 28 18:29:48 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:29:48 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:19:36 -0500, Pierre Fortin wrote: >On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:14:59 +0000 Paul wrote: > >>When you enter an address, notice the scrollbar on the right. > >This complaint happens quite a bit. Maybe moving the scroll bar to >where the user's eyes are focusing would help... such as having it >appear between the {To|Bcc|...} selectors and the address inputs... > >:) That's an odd idea, it absolutely makes no sense to change the design this way. Scroll bars should be on the bottom for horizontal and on the right side for vertical scrolling. This are the most common places, that fit best to the averaged work-flow. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 28 18:36:34 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:36:34 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128182805.Horde.U-U6gDlNmMFlUBJN6SIaU9T@webmail.your-server.de> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128172625.2aa2ccc5@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128182805.Horde.U-U6gDlNmMFlUBJN6SIaU9T@webmail.your-server.de> Message-ID: <20160128183634.05354397@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:28:05 +0100, help123 at dobrynin.us wrote: >And, indeed, that's what Pierre now confirms. We are humans, so we sometimes miss the forest for the trees. Anyway, there's no need to change the design in an unusual way. Keeping the design in the most common way, is the best solution. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/The_Design_of_Everyday_Things_%28cover_1988%29.jpg ;) Regards, Ralf From help123 at dobrynin.us Thu Jan 28 18:46:49 2016 From: help123 at dobrynin.us (help123 at dobrynin.us) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:46:49 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128183634.05354397@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128172625.2aa2ccc5@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128182805.Horde.U-U6gDlNmMFlUBJN6SIaU9T@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128183634.05354397@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160128184649.Horde.soZdiceGerA5v-pS6Rgo0fb@webmail.your-server.de> Ralf, Would you consider adding a boolean somewhere (you can exile it into a config file if you wish) that suppresses the scrollbar? As in the picture you linked to, I *was* doing an everyday thing (i.e. entered a BCC address). Cheers! Quoting Ralf Mardorf : > On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:28:05 +0100, help123 at dobrynin.us wrote: >> And, indeed, that's what Pierre now confirms. > > We are humans, so we sometimes miss the forest for the trees. Anyway, > there's no need to change the design in an unusual way. Keeping the > design in the most common way, is the best solution. > > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/The_Design_of_Everyday_Things_%28cover_1988%29.jpg > > ;) > > Regards, > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 28 18:56:52 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:56:52 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128184649.Horde.soZdiceGerA5v-pS6Rgo0fb@webmail.your-server.de> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128172625.2aa2ccc5@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128182805.Horde.U-U6gDlNmMFlUBJN6SIaU9T@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128183634.05354397@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128184649.Horde.soZdiceGerA5v-pS6Rgo0fb@webmail.your-server.de> Message-ID: <20160128185652.2ccd7a97@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:46:49 +0100, help123 at dobrynin.us wrote: >Ralf, > >Would you consider adding a boolean somewhere >(you can exile it into a config file if you wish) >that suppresses the scrollbar? I'm just a user, Paul is one of the coders. However, it's common that for some apps scroll bars automatically hide and users expect visible and hidden scroll bars usually at the right side and at the bottom. For the Claws composer's address field window the scroll bar automatically appears, if it's needed, then it doesn't auto-hide, but it disappears if it's unneeded. What would you gain if the scroll bar would be completely suppressed? From pf at pfortin.com Thu Jan 28 19:04:30 2016 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:04:30 -0500 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: "" In-Reply-To: <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160128130430.7a2c008b@pfortin.com> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:29:48 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:19:36 -0500, Pierre Fortin wrote: >>On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:14:59 +0000 Paul wrote: >> >>>When you enter an address, notice the scrollbar on the right. >> >>This complaint happens quite a bit. Maybe moving the scroll bar to >>where the user's eyes are focusing would help... such as having it >>appear between the {To|Bcc|...} selectors and the address inputs... >> >>:) <=============<<< > >That's an odd idea, it absolutely makes no sense to change the design >this way. The current design triggers "disappearing address fields" quite often, so the current design/default-settings is apparently not so intuitive... Sometimes, humorous/outlandish suggestions trigger other ideas... Check out a little book titled "Poke the box" :) >Scroll bars should be on the bottom for horizontal and on the >right side for vertical scrolling. This are the most common >places, that fit best to the averaged work-flow. That's only by convention. Left-handed people might prefer the scroll bar on the left side; some apps allow for that. Top v. bottom too. It amazes me to see some apps insist on knowing better, while the poor end-user puts way more miles on the mouse than necessary... Increasing the minimum height for the Header area might be the simplest solution... HTH... :) From albert.aribaud at free.fr Thu Jan 28 19:04:47 2016 From: albert.aribaud at free.fr (Albert ARIBAUD) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:04:47 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160128190447.6246a1ba@lilith> Hello, Le Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:29:48 +0100 Ralf Mardorf a écrit: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:19:36 -0500, Pierre Fortin wrote: > >On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:14:59 +0000 Paul wrote: > > > >>When you enter an address, notice the scrollbar on the right. > > > >This complaint happens quite a bit. Maybe moving the scroll bar to > >where the user's eyes are focusing would help... such as having it > >appear between the {To|Bcc|...} selectors and the address inputs... > > > >:) > > That's an odd idea, it absolutely makes no sense to change the design > this way. > > Scroll bars should be on the bottom for horizontal and on the > right side for vertical scrolling. This are the most common > places, that fit best to the averaged work-flow. It looks like not everyone infers that the most common placement isnecessarily the best or even a good one: http://www.humanfactors.com/newsletters/location_of_the_scrollbar.asp :) (and IMO their arguments are compelling enough to not just push them aside. How about a hidden option to change the scrollbar placement from right-side to left-side?) Amicalement, -- Albert. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 28 19:06:01 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:06:01 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128184649.Horde.soZdiceGerA5v-pS6Rgo0fb@webmail.your-server.de> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128172625.2aa2ccc5@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128182805.Horde.U-U6gDlNmMFlUBJN6SIaU9T@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128183634.05354397@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128184649.Horde.soZdiceGerA5v-pS6Rgo0fb@webmail.your-server.de> Message-ID: <20160128190601.1270f5a6@archlinux.localdomain> PS: Or am I mistaken, does it just disappear because I used the option to hide the scroll bar for the folder list window? Take a look at the config files, there are a view variables. [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ grep scro .claws-mail/clawsrc enable_smooth_scroll=0 scroll_step=1 scroll_half_page=0 enable_hscrollbar=1 folderview_vscrollbar_policy=1 "folderview_vscrollbar_policy Specify the policy of vertical scrollbar of Folder List: ’0’ is always shown, ’1’ is automatic and ’2’ is always hidden. Default value is ’0." - file:///tmp/qupzilla-rocketmouse/tmp/claws-mail-manual.pdf No, it seems to be unrelated. From albert.aribaud at free.fr Thu Jan 28 19:10:33 2016 From: albert.aribaud at free.fr (Albert ARIBAUD) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:10:33 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: "" In-Reply-To: <20160128130430.7a2c008b@pfortin.com> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128130430.7a2c008b@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20160128191033.12588085@lilith> Hello, Le Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:04:30 -0500 Pierre Fortin a écrit: > >Scroll bars should be on the bottom for horizontal and on the > >right side for vertical scrolling. This are the most common > >places, that fit best to the averaged work-flow. > > That's only by convention. Left-handed people might prefer the scroll > bar on the left side; some apps allow for that. Top v. bottom too. It might not be so much a left-handed vs. right-handed issue (which does happen a bit, but on small hand-held devices) than a "place the things the user wants to look at near to one another" issue -- when the user wants to see what became of a (left-aligned) recipient, (s)he'll look left, not right, and a scrollbar on the left will be noticed quite quicker than one on the right. > It amazes me to see some apps insist on knowing better, while the poor > end-user puts way more miles on the mouse than necessary... > > Increasing the minimum height for the Header area might be the > simplest solution... That, OTOH, would just push the problem one step further without changing the 'workflow'. > HTH... :) Pas mieux. :) Amicalement, -- Albert. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 28 19:15:53 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:15:53 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128190447.6246a1ba@lilith> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128190447.6246a1ba@lilith> Message-ID: <20160128191553.3dc12612@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:04:47 +0100, Albert ARIBAUD wrote: >It looks like not everyone infers that the most common placement >isnecessarily the best or even a good one: But actually it is the best place. Other claims are plain wrong. To horizontally scroll through websites etc. you should use the wheel, just sometimes it makes sense to use a scroll bar, then it makes sense to place the scroll bar at a common place. Note, lot of applications auto-hide even needed scroll bars, so it's good to know where scrollbars usually are located, instead of the need to search the scroll bar. From pf at pfortin.com Thu Jan 28 19:19:32 2016 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:19:32 -0500 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128191553.3dc12612@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128190447.6246a1ba@lilith> <20160128191553.3dc12612@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160128131932.0c0e289a@pfortin.com> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:15:53 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >Other claims are plain wrong. ...says the ultimate authority... LOL From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 28 19:22:13 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:22:13 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: "" In-Reply-To: <20160128130430.7a2c008b@pfortin.com> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128130430.7a2c008b@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20160128192213.02390886@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:04:30 -0500, Pierre Fortin wrote: >On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:29:48 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >>On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:19:36 -0500, Pierre Fortin wrote: >>>On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:14:59 +0000 Paul wrote: >>> >>>>When you enter an address, notice the scrollbar on the right. >>> >>>This complaint happens quite a bit. Maybe moving the scroll bar to >>>where the user's eyes are focusing would help... such as having it >>>appear between the {To|Bcc|...} selectors and the address inputs... >>> >>>:) <=============<<< > >> >>That's an odd idea, it absolutely makes no sense to change the design >>this way. > >The current design triggers "disappearing address fields" quite often, >so the current design/default-settings is apparently not so >intuitive... > >Sometimes, humorous/outlandish suggestions trigger other ideas... >Check out a little book titled "Poke the box" :) > >>Scroll bars should be on the bottom for horizontal and on the >>right side for vertical scrolling. This are the most common >>places, that fit best to the averaged work-flow. > >That's only by convention. Left-handed people might prefer the scroll >bar on the left side; some apps allow for that. Top v. bottom too. > >It amazes me to see some apps insist on knowing better, while the poor >end-user puts way more miles on the mouse than necessary... > >Increasing the minimum height for the Header area might be the simplest >solution... The scroll bar argument is less related to the left-handed and right-handed difference, more related to the Western style to write from left to right. Again, usually horizontally scrolling should be avoided and vertically scrolling should be done with the wheel, so it doesn't matter, if you're right-handed, left-handed or from Arabia. It's just important that everybody easily finds the scroll bar at a common location, for the exceptional cases, when it's needed. The mouse wheel can be used to scroll through the address fields. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 28 19:24:09 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:24:09 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128131932.0c0e289a@pfortin.com> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128190447.6246a1ba@lilith> <20160128191553.3dc12612@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128131932.0c0e289a@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20160128192409.1a997823@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:19:32 -0500, Pierre Fortin wrote: >On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:15:53 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >>Other claims are plain wrong. > >...says the ultimate authority... LOL I explained it, what's wrong with my arguments and where are better arguments to change the common design? From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 28 19:28:24 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:28:24 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128131932.0c0e289a@pfortin.com> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128190447.6246a1ba@lilith> <20160128191553.3dc12612@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128131932.0c0e289a@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20160128192824.726a3047@archlinux.localdomain> PS: Since we start reading at the top right, we don't want to be annoyed by scroll bars at the top and right, so it makes sense to locate them at the bottom and left. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 28 19:30:26 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:30:26 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128192824.726a3047@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128190447.6246a1ba@lilith> <20160128191553.3dc12612@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128131932.0c0e289a@pfortin.com> <20160128192824.726a3047@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160128193026.024a6401@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:28:24 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >PS: > >Since we start reading at the top right, we don't want to be annoyed by >scroll bars at the top and right, so it makes sense to locate them at >the bottom and left. :D Typos ;) We read from the top left ;) and the bars should be at the bottom and right. From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Thu Jan 28 19:30:38 2016 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 11:30:38 -0700 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128183634.05354397@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128172625.2aa2ccc5@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128182805.Horde.U-U6gDlNmMFlUBJN6SIaU9T@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128183634.05354397@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160128113038.15b5be3a@whynot.keepingdreams.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:36:34 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:28:05 +0100, help123 at dobrynin.us wrote: >>And, indeed, that's what Pierre now confirms. > >We are humans, so we sometimes miss the forest for the trees. Anyway, >there's no need to change the design in an unusual way. Keeping the >design in the most common way, is the best solution. > >https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/The_Design_of_Everyday_Things_%28cover_1988%29.jpg > >;) > >Regards, >Ralf Instead of designing for the smallest possible device, designing for usability would work. The area used to be 5 lines, now it defaults to two. Taking it back to 5 lines would eliminate most of these issues. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJWql5OAAoJEIqui46mydCAnJIH/3DWKh9jcvi+TRsxj8BCGbaN qZ/c5Do8iYs2oqE+WPWcjxoigHeSiiYsWNECP4yzDz4iITGjMfisS5Tjtg9qQlhs s4FkfdW24DUiS+7TeEI4baBf/IUtRl4eAMokm/14U/hlW7Yt7P7fTuVEAdQjThKf UEqESj5XP0oqv9ZGx57EIp57ICbMDup3nVP5vUmVwG3CMJxWaF01e30mqKHMeQab NLsztpKWXFCaKu35kNnkkuQxyKxFeb8iAj1SseyXwDF6iHbDaV7iGF3Coa+/khQT K5PoffZNu8AogrPikNsrG0074zxLeca7q+hTApIzxeQrlQ4+EUx4I/zoX9Zd1fQ= =8Cob -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From subscript at free.fr Thu Jan 28 19:36:51 2016 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:36:51 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128113038.15b5be3a@whynot.keepingdreams.org> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128172625.2aa2ccc5@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128182805.Horde.U-U6gDlNmMFlUBJN6SIaU9T@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128183634.05354397@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128113038.15b5be3a@whynot.keepingdreams.org> Message-ID: <20160128193651.7029ab54@anthra> Hello Charlie, On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 11:30:38 -0700 Charlie Kravetz wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:36:34 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > >On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:28:05 +0100, help123 at dobrynin.us wrote: > >>And, indeed, that's what Pierre now confirms. > > > >We are humans, so we sometimes miss the forest for the trees. Anyway, > >there's no need to change the design in an unusual way. Keeping the > >design in the most common way, is the best solution. > > > >https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/The_Design_of_Everyday_Things_%28cover_1988%29.jpg > > > >;) > > > >Regards, > >Ralf > > > Instead of designing for the smallest possible device, designing for > usability would work. The area used to be 5 lines, now it defaults to > two. Taking it back to 5 lines would eliminate most of these issues. > > > - -- > Charlie Kravetz > Linux Registered User Number 425914 > [http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html] > Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] The ruler still exist to make more room. And it's not really 2 in fact, it's N+1, where N is the necessary sufficient number of recipient header(s) following the context (1 when composing, 1 or more when replying, etc.). +1 being for a new recipient to add. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From pf at pfortin.com Thu Jan 28 19:39:17 2016 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:39:17 -0500 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128193026.024a6401@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128190447.6246a1ba@lilith> <20160128191553.3dc12612@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128131932.0c0e289a@pfortin.com> <20160128192824.726a3047@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128193026.024a6401@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160128133917.0e9696ad@pfortin.com> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:30:26 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:28:24 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>PS: >> >>Since we start reading at the top right, we don't want to be annoyed by >>scroll bars at the top and right, so it makes sense to locate them at >>the bottom and left. > >:D > >Typos ;) Nah... Freudian slip... you're busted! LOL >We read from the top left ;) and the bars should be at the bottom and >right. While we're on this topic, here's something I've never noticed before; and I've been using SC/CM going on 15 years now... TWO scroll bars! Obviously my eyes never went to that area long enough to notice this: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cmscroll.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1766 bytes Desc: not available URL: From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 28 19:42:19 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:42:19 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128193651.7029ab54@anthra> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128172625.2aa2ccc5@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128182805.Horde.U-U6gDlNmMFlUBJN6SIaU9T@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128183634.05354397@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128113038.15b5be3a@whynot.keepingdreams.org> <20160128193651.7029ab54@anthra> Message-ID: <20160128194219.4fd0ebc8@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:36:51 +0100, wwp wrote: >On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 11:30:38 -0700 Charlie Kravetz >> Instead of designing for the smallest possible device, designing for >> usability would work. The area used to be 5 lines, now it defaults to >> two. Taking it back to 5 lines would eliminate most of these issues. >The ruler still exist to make more room. > >And it's not really 2 in fact, it's N+1, where N is the necessary >sufficient number of recipient header(s) following the context (1 when >composing, 1 or more when replying, etc.). +1 being for a new recipient >to add. Wrong, the default size is fixed, likely 2 address lines without scrolling, as Charlie already pointed out, the size doesn't change, but we can resize the window segment to what ever size we wish and Claws remembers that size, so we don't need to do it again and again, if we prefer another default. From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Thu Jan 28 19:45:03 2016 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 11:45:03 -0700 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128193651.7029ab54@anthra> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128172625.2aa2ccc5@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128182805.Horde.U-U6gDlNmMFlUBJN6SIaU9T@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128183634.05354397@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128113038.15b5be3a@whynot.keepingdreams.org> <20160128193651.7029ab54@anthra> Message-ID: <20160128114503.7607f159@whynot.keepingdreams.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:36:51 +0100 wwp wrote: >Hello Charlie, > > >On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 11:30:38 -0700 Charlie Kravetz wrote: > >> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:36:34 +0100 >> Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> >> >On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:28:05 +0100, help123 at dobrynin.us wrote: >> >>And, indeed, that's what Pierre now confirms. >> > >> >We are humans, so we sometimes miss the forest for the trees. Anyway, >> >there's no need to change the design in an unusual way. Keeping the >> >design in the most common way, is the best solution. >> > >> >https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/The_Design_of_Everyday_Things_%28cover_1988%29.jpg >> > >> >;) >> > >> >Regards, >> >Ralf >> >> >> Instead of designing for the smallest possible device, designing for >> usability would work. The area used to be 5 lines, now it defaults to >> two. Taking it back to 5 lines would eliminate most of these issues. >> >> >> - -- >> Charlie Kravetz >> Linux Registered User Number 425914 >> [http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html] >> Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] > >The ruler still exist to make more room. > >And it's not really 2 in fact, it's N+1, where N is the necessary >sufficient number of recipient header(s) following the context (1 when >composing, 1 or more when replying, etc.). +1 being for a new recipient >to add. > > >Regards, > Whatever you choose to call it, it causes many false bug reports and issues for users. Expanding it to "If >= 5 then N+1 else 5" would help greatly. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJWqmGvAAoJEIqui46mydCAVnoH/AiG3DFEkFZ6yVcHwcjsD5wK OypxQgFQq1gCfJwwHNJKB9aGlnvFGONOpCqXLELdpnh5K89A4hYGTBQTMJOLV3Ou A+bCuEx/DIbZRPsmaCxSzZEBYfsC1Evo4qDqn2+TV9qCqX2IkmgpgieXwGVlM0Dr ATAUWwvi+pzDsAQzbptQuLduxAQeNlcgOLy/zwpb7lBEB0FgMK8JYbWUb832myPG 6u7BZd4QfN/tTAp7Hm4iyhz9WAth0TyWNMkYiRlYDo45TojwhDsnLPArEygqV8s7 dj0XelAuKF3I8xtScKEytsrHEwYlt0LEs87gFQv8wybwod+FjTG55EV4TNg926g= =2pzl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From codejodler at gmx.ch Thu Jan 28 19:55:05 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:55:05 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection Message-ID: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> Imagine this situation: A family Linux computer where everybody is doing stuff, but the email program of the user account (owner) be protected by password (or some other way?) against misuse by nasty kids. The whole program needs to be restriced, with all folders, not only downloading mails, so just using the mailbox password is not an option. Any ideas how to achieve this ? (and the Mail folder needs to be hidden = dotfiled, i hopw this does not create problems for claws) From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Jan 28 19:56:36 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:56:36 +0000 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:55:05 +0100 Michael wrote: > Any ideas how to achieve this ? Lock screen, start new session? with regards Paul From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 28 19:56:51 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:56:51 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128133917.0e9696ad@pfortin.com> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128190447.6246a1ba@lilith> <20160128191553.3dc12612@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128131932.0c0e289a@pfortin.com> <20160128192824.726a3047@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128193026.024a6401@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128133917.0e9696ad@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20160128195651.47ef997f@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:39:17 -0500, Pierre Fortin wrote: >While we're on this topic, here's something I've never noticed before; >and I've been using SC/CM going on 15 years now... TWO scroll bars! > >Obviously my eyes never went to that area long enough to notice this There's only one scroll bar for me. [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ pacman -Q claws-mail-git openbox claws-mail-git 3.13.2.r1.geb08800-1 openbox 3.6.1-2 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: claws_3.13.2_and_openbox_3.6.1.png Type: image/png Size: 2224 bytes Desc: not available URL: From danlyke at flutterby.com Thu Jan 28 20:00:50 2016 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 11:00:50 -0800 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Michael wrote: > A family Linux computer where everybody is doing stuff, This is why we have user accounts, right? But if you're asking how to run Claws as a different user than the one currently logged in to the X desktop, I don't think this is a huge problem. You should be able to set up a script that can "sudo -u restricteduser claws-mail". From pf at pfortin.com Thu Jan 28 20:02:28 2016 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:02:28 -0500 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128195651.47ef997f@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128190447.6246a1ba@lilith> <20160128191553.3dc12612@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128131932.0c0e289a@pfortin.com> <20160128192824.726a3047@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128193026.024a6401@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128133917.0e9696ad@pfortin.com> <20160128195651.47ef997f@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160128140228.23a17569@pfortin.com> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:56:51 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:39:17 -0500, Pierre Fortin wrote: >>While we're on this topic, here's something I've never noticed before; >>and I've been using SC/CM going on 15 years now... TWO scroll bars! >> >>Obviously my eyes never went to that area long enough to notice this > >There's only one scroll bar for me. Try adding a 2nd recipient and ensuring the Header area is at minimum size... From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Thu Jan 28 20:12:30 2016 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:12:30 -0700 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160128121230.0d745c07@whynot.keepingdreams.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:55:05 +0100 Michael wrote: >Imagine this situation: > >A family Linux computer where everybody is doing stuff, but the email program of the user account (owner) be protected by password (or some other way?) against misuse by nasty kids. The whole program needs to be restriced, with all folders, not only downloading mails, so just using the mailbox password is not an option. >Any ideas how to achieve this ? > >(and the Mail folder needs to be hidden = dotfiled, i hopw this does not create problems for claws) In Linux, I would start by modifying the desktop file. Add the line NoDisplay=hidden to it to prevent it being used. You can still use claws-mail on the command line to start it. As for hidden files, claws already uses .claws-mail for its configuration and mail box files. That tells me making the Mail folder hidden should also work, as long as claws knows where to find it in its configuration files. There is also the idea of creating a user for nasty kids only. Why are they using adult password to use the computer, instead of a separate kids account? - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJWqmgeAAoJEIqui46mydCALgUIAMB3cwx7azC6mlXRXCPbsLA8 kYCs/6mmhvvs2a4elVc4MS2w6dojT68r5bhV3G9D6hdluY6TCevcX4iNZmy6fmIY XR9mI0tAkzc9oK85m54x5d8WQRJ9RvhRRR+goAWv1E4BHjtQaJi0F5w4F76pGDQ2 n2uFFOOHHfldA/08I6HNQtYKTAdrmPc4qKr1DoHpBeHJZfEd0PAsUGfPBif4Ytoo ID5+RrjsR0Jc2DiN2gUei4c8C8v/leCcAl4ZDd1T+L5+xX5furYNCipLRpKZMPoH g08+cwPL6MrAd/h8AzrmJAcnreCdE4AJpV7EpHaJXQq5CyaGOJuO5KEI9b1MEBk= =cAvh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 28 20:14:15 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:14:15 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160128201415.18256f91@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 11:00:50 -0800, Dan Lyke wrote: >But if you're asking how to run Claws as a different user than the one >currently logged in to the X desktop, I don't think this is a huge >problem. You should be able to set up a script that can "sudo -u >restricteduser claws-mail". Somebody once called "xhost +" a sledgehammer, however, if you prefer to do so, you could use xhost more carefully, but it works. I'm not running claws this way, but sylpheed and a few other apps. [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ grep -v "#" /usr/local/bin/chuser xhost + gksudo -u chuser "$*" xhost - exit [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ grep chuser .config/fbpanel/default | head -n2 action = chuser sylpheed action = chuser qupzilla Regards, Ralf From andrej at kacian.sk Thu Jan 28 20:17:29 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:17:29 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128133917.0e9696ad@pfortin.com> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128190447.6246a1ba@lilith> <20160128191553.3dc12612@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128131932.0c0e289a@pfortin.com> <20160128192824.726a3047@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128193026.024a6401@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128133917.0e9696ad@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20160128201729.0d98a616@penny> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:39:17 -0500 Pierre Fortin wrote: > While we're on this topic, here's something I've never noticed before; > and I've been using SC/CM going on 15 years now... TWO scroll bars! It won't be there for long. :) http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=d0c724175711262214cd13a38e68fa8dd4630056 Apparently, it depends on theme and/or font size - some people are unable to get the outer scrollbar at all. Regards, -- Andrej From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 28 20:21:03 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:21:03 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128140228.23a17569@pfortin.com> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128190447.6246a1ba@lilith> <20160128191553.3dc12612@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128131932.0c0e289a@pfortin.com> <20160128192824.726a3047@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128193026.024a6401@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128133917.0e9696ad@pfortin.com> <20160128195651.47ef997f@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128140228.23a17569@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20160128202103.32bee7b5@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:02:28 -0500, Pierre Fortin wrote: >Try adding a 2nd recipient and ensuring the Header area is at minimum >size... 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The area used to be 5 lines, now it > >> defaults to two. Taking it back to 5 lines would eliminate most of > >> these issues. > > > >And it's not really 2 in fact, it's N+1, where N is the necessary > >sufficient number of recipient header(s) following the context (1 > >when composing, 1 or more when replying, etc.). +1 being for a new > >recipient to add. > > Whatever you choose to call it, it causes many false bug reports and > issues for users. Expanding it to "If >= 5 then N+1 else 5" would help > greatly. 5 seems excessive to me. For me, by far the most frequent number of recipients for an email is 1. So, with the blank at the end, that's 2. Having room for 5 would be like building a 5-lane highway to service a town of 2,000 people. I would like to see that area automatically grow and shrink to fit the number items. No scroll bar ever; just calculate the height of all the fields and set the height of the container to that (plus padding or whatever is needed). - -- C. Chad Wallace, B.Sc. The Lodging Company http://www.lodgingcompany.com/ OpenPGP Public Key ID: 0x262208A0 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlaqbFUACgkQKeSNHCYiCKBzswCg714A0oM7KESWNgyPovKx2qpn QU0AniOVN0R0dzcg3DcBzMR4lxx8Ittt =Goi8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Thu Jan 28 20:36:50 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:36:50 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128201415.18256f91@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128201415.18256f91@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160128203650.3d7a9998@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:14:15 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 11:00:50 -0800, Dan Lyke wrote: >>But if you're asking how to run Claws as a different user than the one >>currently logged in to the X desktop, I don't think this is a huge >>problem. You should be able to set up a script that can "sudo -u >>restricteduser claws-mail". > >Somebody once called "xhost +" a sledgehammer, however, if you prefer >to do so, you could use xhost more carefully, but it works. > >I'm not running claws this way, but sylpheed and a few other apps. > >[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ grep -v "#" /usr/local/bin/chuser > > >xhost + >gksudo -u chuser "$*" >xhost - >exit > >[rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ grep chuser .config/fbpanel/default | head >-n2 > action = chuser sylpheed > action = chuser qupzilla PS: This means the password is the password of the current user, not of the user named chuser, so you can not protect different instance of claws with different passwords, you just could provide one instance without password protection and another one that is protected. Unfortunately gksudo etc. require xhost, the command line sudo in any case requires xhost. From pf at pfortin.com Thu Jan 28 20:38:07 2016 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:38:07 -0500 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128202103.32bee7b5@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128190447.6246a1ba@lilith> <20160128191553.3dc12612@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128131932.0c0e289a@pfortin.com> <20160128192824.726a3047@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128193026.024a6401@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128133917.0e9696ad@pfortin.com> <20160128195651.47ef997f@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128140228.23a17569@pfortin.com> <20160128202103.32bee7b5@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160128143807.2200ba16@pfortin.com> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:21:03 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:02:28 -0500, Pierre Fortin wrote: >>Try adding a 2nd recipient and ensuring the Header area is at minimum >>size... > >Then there's still a single scroll bar. 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So it's either the version of GTK, but I doubt this, since I didn't noticed it before, or the WM, DE, theme. Somebody already mentioned the DE, resp. theme. From pf at pfortin.com Thu Jan 28 20:53:07 2016 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:53:07 -0500 Subject: [Users] [Commits] [SCM] claws branch, master, updated. 3.13.2-9-gd0c7241 Message-ID: <20160128145307.7aae3490@pfortin.com> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:14:56 +0100 (CET) ticho at claws-mail.org wrote: >commit d0c724175711262214cd13a38e68fa8dd4630056 >Author: Andrej Kacian >Date: Thu Jan 28 20:13:45 2016 +0100 > > Remove the outer scrollbar from header area. That fixes it. Thanks Andrej! From edodd55 at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 21:13:23 2016 From: edodd55 at gmail.com (Liz) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 07:13:23 +1100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128121230.0d745c07@whynot.keepingdreams.org> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128121230.0d745c07@whynot.keepingdreams.org> Message-ID: <20160129071323.32549d6b.edodd55@gmail.com> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:12:30 -0700 Charlie Kravetz wrote: > >Imagine this situation: > > > >A family Linux computer where everybody is doing stuff, but the > >email program of the user account (owner) be protected by password > >(or some other way?) against misuse by nasty kids. The whole program > >needs to be restriced, with all folders, not only downloading mails, > >so just using the mailbox password is not an option. Any ideas how > >to achieve this ? > > > >(and the Mail folder needs to be hidden = dotfiled, i hopw this does > >not create problems for claws) > > > In Linux, I would start by modifying the desktop file. Add the line > NoDisplay=hidden > to it to prevent it being used. You can still use claws-mail on the > command line to start it. As for hidden files, claws already > uses .claws-mail for its configuration and mail box files. That tells > me making the Mail folder hidden should also work, as long as claws > knows where to find it in its configuration files. > > There is also the idea of creating a user for nasty kids only. Why are > they using adult password to use the computer, instead of a separate > kids account? > I didn't have 'nasty kids' but any strategy mentioned like editing the desktop file would result in a challenge being issued. They did this at school too, if someone tried to hide something, they would work away until they found it. A separate desktop eg on Ctrl-F8 key combination, for a separate user account properly password protected. No sudo access for the account the inquisitive children use. This still won't stop them booting off a USB stick and reading what they want from your files. And, yes, one of those kids now has a higher degree in computer science, surely partly because of all the efforts he made when younger trying to hack his mother's systems. Liz From codejodler at gmx.ch Thu Jan 28 21:16:13 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:16:13 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> Message-ID: <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> No, folks, look. They will not do log in and out. And the account i'm talking about already IS a private account on a private computer. In technical terms, the security already is 100% comopromised, as standard situation. It's just they don't do any tedious stuff. They leave the desktop to each other all the time. They leave the desktop online, and walk away. Or the kids ask, can we watch youtube or play games on your computer and yes, of course. Then they occupy it maybe for hours. Please note that it's not their concern, to begin with, it's rather only me acting out as their tech department. So there has to be the most minimal requirement to the owner, and that's only typing in a password, one time. Don't tell me how this is wong or should be taken at the roots. Believe me: It's useless. That's just a family reality where both parents have jobs, and lots of other things up, and kids in difficult age, and they simply can't enforce any additional rules beyond the most essential basics (and not even these ...) It's probably an average chaos, with more than 2 kids. They still are nice people, all of them, and so its simply my challenge to make it as easy as possible. From andrej at kacian.sk Thu Jan 28 21:25:56 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:25:56 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160128212556.1b7f31eb@penny> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:16:13 +0100 Michael wrote: > No, folks, look. > > They will not do log in and out. > > And the account i'm talking about already IS a private account on a private computer. In technical terms, the security already is 100% comopromised, as standard situation. It's just they don't do any tedious stuff. They leave the desktop to each other all the time. They leave the desktop online, and walk away. Or the kids ask, can we watch youtube or play games on your computer and yes, of course. Then they occupy it maybe for hours. > Please note that it's not their concern, to begin with, it's rather only me acting out as their tech department. So there has to be the most minimal requirement to the owner, and that's only typing in a password, one time. > > Don't tell me how this is wong or should be taken at the roots. Believe me: It's useless. That's just a family reality where both parents have jobs, and lots of other things up, and kids in difficult age, and they simply can't enforce any additional rules beyond the most essential basics (and not even these ...) It's probably an average chaos, with more than 2 kids. > > They still are nice people, all of them, and so its simply my challenge to make it as easy as possible. I'm not going to tell you what you should or shouldn't do as a parent, but in my opinion, this is the perfect opportunity to teach them about user accounts - they will encounter them throughout their entire life. Create an account for each of them, they don't even have to be password-protected. Let them choose a cute icon for the account (most login managers allow this) and desktop background, so that they feel that the account is "theirs". Worked great for my kid sister back in the day - I still remember how she loved to log in by clicking on a cute green frog picture (it was one of stock selectable user images in Windows XP). Nowadays, she has a kid of her own. :) Regards, -- Andrej From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Thu Jan 28 21:34:17 2016 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:34:17 -0700 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160128133417.30082c36@whynot.keepingdreams.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:16:13 +0100 Michael wrote: >No, folks, look. > >They will not do log in and out. > >And the account i'm talking about already IS a private account on a private computer. In technical terms, the security already is 100% comopromised, as standard situation. It's just they don't do any tedious stuff. They leave the desktop to each other all the time. They leave the desktop online, and walk away. Or the kids ask, can we watch youtube or play games on your computer and yes, of course. Then they occupy it maybe for hours. >Please note that it's not their concern, to begin with, it's rather only me acting out as their tech department. So there has to be the most minimal requirement to the owner, and that's only typing in a password, one time. > >Don't tell me how this is wong or should be taken at the roots. Believe me: It's useless. That's just a family reality where both parents have jobs, and lots of other things up, and kids in difficult age, and they simply can't enforce any additional rules beyond the most essential basics (and not even these ...) It's probably an average chaos, with more than 2 kids. > >They still are nice people, all of them, and so its simply my challenge to make it as easy as possible. I set up a computer for a family like that. I forced it to autologin by default, to the kids account. One account, no supervisor privileges, let them do what they want, and it stays logged in to them. A separate supervisor account was set up, for the parent. They logged out the kids account, logged in, did their thing, then restarted. It autologged into the kids account and they were done. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJWqntJAAoJEIqui46mydCAALoIAMQ+uDKUC2aDcQzpW3EtECZX yehECNDKaFeYyS4Aoum6mZ8gwhbDL7Tnuw03u1/TaZnZqq/K61Ou1WRXcD05TgBf oBxA6zcfBkeApEFr/5GyafONSdMCld9FS8Am57n5dwVFtBxFt0jEnJkSKPOC8eUU jU9mv27daCvZJXt1FZygJ3d0nMlxwr/X3ry437yC8ou8JSqJf/uwCKqhBfe6wHrD xOgoYlBvU54kDeO3kWpG3LkPJb37ztcek/DZjI3+1vHSadu8phyamVZftsimXRh0 gbvijs35xCT5qL+sz4YLUMzoL8On7oBDWrGiKk7TM1+Df11k+ClqDVeRLK1xgD0= =o8Se -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From codejodler at gmx.ch Thu Jan 28 21:36:34 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:36:34 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> Regarding Liz' reply ... once they see there is Email then thy know it can be started, somehow. So i don't want to hide the start button or so. Also, hiding away the mailbox folder as a dotfile with a boring name should suffice (and i've got more ideas here). When they ever get to the point that they learn how to use grep, then it's clearly time for new concepts. We can dicsuss these in length, although it's rather getting OT here. But can we perhaps start with my question, how can i protect the MUA by password ? Unfortunately, it can't be the users' password because, in short, i want this little extra security. (I think the users password will be typed in, 'in the crowd', whenever someone wants to use the computer, and will be snatched sooner or later; but the Mail password will be used only for this specific task and that should be some quiet minutes - when the Gremlins are all gone.) From codejodler at gmx.ch Thu Jan 28 21:41:16 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:41:16 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128212556.1b7f31eb@penny> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128212556.1b7f31eb@penny> Message-ID: <20160128214116.5e322a51@gandalf.lan2> Andrej, they all have their own accounts. They're cross-using them ad lib. Just whenever there is a computer desktop with internet available, then it will be used. There is no overseeing. I'm not the parents and i'm not gonna educate them. The family time budget is generally in the red and for this kind of education, is zero. I have to accept it. From cwallace at lodgingcompany.com Thu Jan 28 21:47:48 2016 From: cwallace at lodgingcompany.com (Chad Wallace) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:47:48 -0800 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160128124748.350a4a5a@ws78.int.tlc> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:16:13 +0100 Michael wrote: > No, folks, look. > > They will not do log in and out. > > And the account i'm talking about already IS a private account on a > private computer. In technical terms, the security already is 100% > comopromised, as standard situation. It's just they don't do any > tedious stuff. They leave the desktop to each other all the time. > They leave the desktop online, and walk away. Or the kids ask, can we > watch youtube or play games on your computer and yes, of course. Then > they occupy it maybe for hours. Please note that it's not their > concern, to begin with, it's rather only me acting out as their tech > department. So there has to be the most minimal requirement to the > owner, and that's only typing in a password, one time. You could mount the .claws-mail directory on-demand as an encrypted partition (either an actual partition, or mapped to a regular file), which you then have to unlock using a password before claws will work. And, whenever your encrypted partition isn't mounted, the original contents of that directory would show... so you could set up a decoy account if you wanted to. If you don't need it encrypted, you could place all your stuff in some obscure location, and "bind mount" it to your .claws-mail when needed. Of course, I'm assuming everything is contained within the .claws-mail directory, which it is for me with IMAP, but might not be the case in all setups. -- C. Chad Wallace, B.Sc. The Lodging Company http://www.lodgingcompany.com/ OpenPGP Public Key ID: 0x262208A0 From andrej at kacian.sk Thu Jan 28 21:48:02 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:48:02 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:36:34 +0100 Michael wrote: > But can we perhaps start with my question, how can i protect the MUA by password ? Only by running it as different user, dedicated for e-mail. See Ralf's suggestions elsewhere in this thread. I use similar setup to run a browser that only connects to my bank's Internet Banking web app. It is not the job of an application to worry about whether the person running it under certain user account is really the right person. That is left to the OS, which uses concept of user accounts to achieve it. If you willfully choose to bypass this mechanism, you are on your own. Regards, -- Andrej From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Thu Jan 28 21:57:00 2016 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:57:00 -0700 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160128135700.0a2735c3@dzur.localdomain> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:16:13 +0100 Michael wrote: > They still are nice people, all of them, and so its simply my > challenge to make it as easy as possible. No. You are not doing them any favors. You are letting them learn bad security practices, which they will unconsciously carry over into adulthood. I speak as a former computer security consultant and instructor, and as a former firearms instructor. In both of those contexts, people perform at their best when they have the right habits. -- The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. -- U.S. Const. Amendment IV Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB From codejodler at gmx.ch Thu Jan 28 23:38:36 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 23:38:36 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> Message-ID: <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> Andrej, i think it boils down to that. What i can do is: replace the claws mail binary by a wrapper script, which asks for the password. I need to investigate if i can use an existing tool (like gksu or sudo or some keyring manager) to spare me the hassle to script the encryption. Or maybe there exist some software (or do we say 'app' today ?) doing exactly that job. After all, it turns out that if you needed something, then there always are others who needed it too. Chads mount solution sounds technically cool, and might be the safe bet. I'll look into it too. Actually, a sandbox is another cool thing :) but then, i'd rather not play 'dirty'. It's ok if they all know this is a protected thing, end of story. A related question, can i safely rename .claws-mail, including the IMAP cache, to something different and launch with --alternate-config-dir ? Ralf, IIUR you're running a browser in a xhost 'demilitarized zone' ? (Something that Windows should do, for sure.) Well, i'd still need to setup a separate account and there might be problems with loading / saving / playing attachments and stuff. I doubt it's usable for my scenario. From andrej at kacian.sk Thu Jan 28 23:55:58 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 23:55:58 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160128235558.30f40cf1@penny> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 23:38:36 +0100 Michael wrote: > A related question, can i safely rename .claws-mail, including the IMAP cache, to something different and launch with --alternate-config-dir ? Yes to renaming the .claws-mail dir itself, no to renaming any file or directory within .claws-mail. Regards, -- Andrej From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Jan 29 00:06:44 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:06:44 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: "" In-Reply-To: <20160128191033.12588085@lilith> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128130430.7a2c008b@pfortin.com> <20160128191033.12588085@lilith> Message-ID: <20160129000644.1cd6e738@gandalf.lan2> I'm not sure it that's exactly what the OP had problems with, but this is what happens when i reduce the adress area to the minimum of 1 line: If i launch 'compose new mail' i see one TO: line. However, the moment i hit a key, the next line will be added. Unfortunately, the whole thing now autoscrolls and moves the line i'm typing in 'upward' and thus, out of view. I'm typing blind now ... Seriously, this can't be the answer. I vote for enlarging the area for every line added. From m8il1ists at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 01:44:00 2016 From: m8il1ists at gmail.com (Kevin Chadwick) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:44:00 +0000 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160129004400.2ce0a413@expedite.oesys.co> > A family Linux computer where everybody is doing stuff, but the email program of the user account (owner) be protected by password (or some other way?) against misuse by nasty kids. The whole program needs to be restriced, with all folders, not only downloading mails, so just using the mailbox password is not an option. > Any ideas how to achieve this ? Sudo -u mailuser as Ralf said also you must chmod the claws mail directory and claws executable appropriately then all you have to worry about is a password logger running when you enter any password. -- KISSIS - Keep It Simple So It's Securable From help123 at dobrynin.us Fri Jan 29 00:31:42 2016 From: help123 at dobrynin.us (help123 at dobrynin.us) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:31:42 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: "" In-Reply-To: <20160129000644.1cd6e738@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128130430.7a2c008b@pfortin.com> <20160128191033.12588085@lilith> <20160129000644.1cd6e738@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160129003142.Horde.jdY9tCfBWKDNZKJ4P4FIQt8@webmail.your-server.de> I'm the OP. I did have that problem, too. The problem you describe happened when I enlarged the window, then made it small again, whereas the original issue (where I could only see the "BCC" field, and the "TO" I typed in previously was gone) happened shortly after I started the program before I did any resizing at all. Nickolai Quoting Michael : > I'm not sure it that's exactly what the OP had problems with, but > this is what happens when i reduce the adress area to the minimum of > 1 line: > > If i launch 'compose new mail' i see one TO: line. However, the > moment i hit a key, the next line will be added. Unfortunately, the > whole thing now autoscrolls and moves the line i'm typing in > 'upward' and thus, out of view. I'm typing blind now ... > > Seriously, this can't be the answer. I vote for enlarging the area > for every line added. > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From slitt at troubleshooters.com Fri Jan 29 00:48:36 2016 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:48:36 -0500 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160128184836.49750434@mydesk.domain.cxm> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:16:13 +0100 Michael wrote: > No, folks, look. > > They will not do log in and out. > > And the account i'm talking about already IS a private account on a > private computer. In technical terms, the security already is 100% > comopromised, as standard situation. It's just they don't do any > tedious stuff. They leave the desktop to each other all the time. > They leave the desktop online, and walk away. Or the kids ask, can we > watch youtube or play games on your computer and yes, of course. Then > they occupy it maybe for hours. Please note that it's not their > concern, to begin with, it's rather only me acting out as their tech > department. So there has to be the most minimal requirement to the > owner, and that's only typing in a password, one time. > > Don't tell me how this is wong or should be taken at the roots. > Believe me: It's useless. That's just a family reality where both > parents have jobs, and lots of other things up, and kids in difficult > age, and they simply can't enforce any additional rules beyond the > most essential basics (and not even these ...) It's probably an > average chaos, with more than 2 kids. > > They still are nice people, all of them, and so its simply my > challenge to make it as easy as possible. I have kids. They used to be little. Old desktop computers are dirt cheap these days. Why not give your kids their own Linux computer and completely lock them out of yours. It worked well for me. And because I could ssh into their computers, I could disable them whenever the kids were "bad", and to an extent I could see what they were up to (important as they hit their teens). The other thing is, never let the kids have a computer in their own room. By having them work in a well-travelled place, it's harder for them to do really problematic stuff and get away with it. SteveT Steve Litt January 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Jan 29 01:30:03 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 01:30:03 +0100 Subject: [Users] OT: Privacy and families (was: password protection) In-Reply-To: <20160128184836.49750434@mydesk.domain.cxm> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128184836.49750434@mydesk.domain.cxm> Message-ID: <20160129013003.02e80f49@gandalf.lan2> Steve, uh oh we're getting far away from the rather technical topic here ... > Why not give your kids their own Linux computer They do have their own computers. Well it's complicated. But boils down to the fact that everyone is using any computer around, for various reasons (including maintenance downs or simply broken, or casual crowding in one room, and plain lazyness). This includes the parents too (who albeit have their office computers far, far away). Trying to bring some structure into that relaxed society, i wanted everybody to have their private space, even the kids. But now they all just share their computers, and somehow it's nothing so bad that i really want to stop it. I just look for a way to protect some little parts only. Lets say it provocingly, there is a common wish to share anything, as a convenience. They recognize computers like, say, a wahsing machine or a radio set. Anybody can use it. But then you suddenly want to protect one channel of that radio ...! Or compare it to the challenge to block only the bad clips on youtube. Even blocking all youtube with otherwise full internet access, for one computer account (thus not by router) only, is difficult, and the OS does not provide that. My maybe naive ideal is to grow childs to take responsibilities as soon as they can, and are educated enough to learn from mistakes. And i try to pay respect to them, too, while of course demanding respect as the responsible master chief. Meaning, i would sure as hell grant them a private space where even i will not poke in. For example, i'd never read their diary without permission. SSH them secretly is a horrible scenario for me. And yes i know teens are problematic. But i'm sure if you're destroying their trust even only one time, you'll never be able to repair it. Of course, it depends on the kids' characters and capabilities, and the specific situation, and yes i may be naive or inexperienced and your mileage will vary. > The other thing is, never let the kids have a computer in their own > room. So you wont let them have their smartphone anywhere alone ? Always have an eye on the displays ? Come on, they're doing anything un/imaginable with that little devil tools every day, including watching youtube up and down and sending bad things by messengers. What do you expect ? I'd have done the same when i was that age ... From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Fri Jan 29 07:10:47 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 07:10:47 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160129071047.6684723a@archlinux.localdomain> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 23:38:36 +0100, Michael wrote: >Ralf, IIUR you're running a browser in a xhost 'demilitarized zone' ? >(Something that Windows should do, for sure.) Well, i'd still need to >setup a separate account and there might be problems with loading / >saving / playing attachments and stuff. I doubt it's usable for my >scenario. Yes, but I also run Sylpheed this way and I'm using annother user account there's no issue with accessing files, that's what groups are for: [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ id uid=1000(rocketmouse) [snip] [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ id chuser uid=1001(chuser) [snip] 1000(rocketmouse) [snip] rocketmouse has no access to chuser, but chuser has got access to rocketmouse. You don't need to use xhost in the way I used it, you just need to allow that Claws of another user is allowed to run in your user's X session. [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ grep -v "#" /usr/local/bin/chuser xhost + gksudo -u chuser "$*" xhost - exit As you can see another user, named 'chuser' (change user;) launches the application. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Fri Jan 29 07:15:12 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 07:15:12 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: "" In-Reply-To: <20160129000644.1cd6e738@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128130430.7a2c008b@pfortin.com> <20160128191033.12588085@lilith> <20160129000644.1cd6e738@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160129071512.6322c7ca@archlinux.localdomain> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:06:44 +0100, Michael wrote: >I'm not sure it that's exactly what the OP had problems with, but this >is what happens when i reduce the adress area to the minimum of 1 line: > >If i launch 'compose new mail' i see one TO: line. However, the moment >i hit a key, the next line will be added. Unfortunately, the whole >thing now autoscrolls and moves the line i'm typing in 'upward' and >thus, out of view. I'm typing blind now ... > >Seriously, this can't be the answer. I vote for enlarging the area for >every line added. Instead of scrolling through the addresses you prefer to scroll through the message body, because just a single line of the message body is displayed, if enough recipients were added? From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Fri Jan 29 07:41:35 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 07:41:35 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160129004400.2ce0a413@expedite.oesys.co> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160129004400.2ce0a413@expedite.oesys.co> Message-ID: <20160129074135.0b4d8bcd@archlinux.localdomain> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:44:00 +0000, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> A family Linux computer where everybody is doing stuff, but the >> email program of the user account (owner) be protected by password >> (or some other way?) against misuse by nasty kids. The whole program >> needs to be restriced, with all folders, not only downloading mails, >> so just using the mailbox password is not an option. Any ideas how >> to achieve this ? > >Sudo -u mailuser as Ralf said > >also you must chmod the claws mail directory and claws executable >appropriately > >then all you have to worry about is a password logger running when you >enter any password. I've got two users, the user of the session [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ grep rocketmouse /etc/passwd rocketmouse:x:1000:1000::/home/rocketmouse:/bin/bash and another user [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ grep chuser /etc/passwd chuser:x:1001:1001::/.chuser/.home:/bin/bash the user of the session can't access the directory of the other user's sylpheed files [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -l /.chuser/.home/ ls: cannot open directory /.chuser/.home/: Permission denied but I can run sylpheed as another user and the other user's sylpheed has got access to the user's files ... [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ chuser sylpheed access control disabled, clients can connect from any host access control enabled, only authorized clients can connect [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ grep -v "#" /usr/local/bin/chuser xhost + gksudo -u chuser "$*" xhost - exit ... because the other user is in the group of the session's user: [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ id chuser uid=1001(chuser) [snip] 1000(rocketmouse) [snip] Some people guess xhost isn't needed when using gksudo, but it is. Just running 'gksudo -u chuser sylpheed' will not open a sylpheed window. Running 'xhost + && gksudo -u chuser sylpheed' does open a sylpheed window. However, there's no need to run 'xhost +', you could specify a name, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/177557/what-does-this-xhost-command-do From peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au Fri Jan 29 08:18:04 2016 From: peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au (blind Pete) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:18:04 +1100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128114503.7607f159@whynot.keepingdreams.org> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128172625.2aa2ccc5@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128182805.Horde.U-U6gDlNmMFlUBJN6SIaU9T@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128183634.05354397@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128113038.15b5be3a@whynot.keepingdreams.org> <20160128193651.7029ab54@anthra> <20160128114503.7607f159@whynot.keepingdreams.org> Message-ID: <20160129181804.4a625199@PPlive> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 11:45:03 -0700 Charlie Kravetz wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:36:51 +0100 > wwp wrote: > > >Hello Charlie, > > > > > >On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 11:30:38 -0700 Charlie Kravetz > > wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:36:34 +0100 > >> Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> > >> >On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:28:05 +0100, help123 at dobrynin.us wrote: > >> >>And, indeed, that's what Pierre now confirms. > >> > > >> >We are humans, so we sometimes miss the forest for the trees. > >> >Anyway, there's no need to change the design in an unusual way. > >> >Keeping the design in the most common way, is the best solution. > >> > > >> >https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/The_Design_of_Everyday_Things_%28cover_1988%29.jpg > >> > > >> >;) > >> > > >> >Regards, > >> >Ralf > >> > >> > >> Instead of designing for the smallest possible device, designing > >> for usability would work. The area used to be 5 lines, now it > >> defaults to two. Taking it back to 5 lines would eliminate most of > >> these issues. > >> > >> > >> - -- > >> Charlie Kravetz > >> Linux Registered User Number 425914 > >> [http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html] > >> Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] > > > >The ruler still exist to make more room. > > > >And it's not really 2 in fact, it's N+1, where N is the necessary > >sufficient number of recipient header(s) following the context (1 > >when composing, 1 or more when replying, etc.). +1 being for a new > >recipient to add. > > > > > >Regards, > > > > Whatever you choose to call it, it causes many false bug reports and > issues for users. Expanding it to "If >= 5 then N+1 else 5" would help > greatly. That tripped me up too when CM was new to me, and I am not a naive computer user. If CM could be shipped with a slightly different default configuration it would cause less worry to newbies and be of no detriment to seasoned users. Make the top pane big enough for about four and a half fields. Everyone would be free to adjust it when they work out that it can be adjusted. Existing users would not see any change at all. Personally my choice would involve a lot of hard work by other people - so has little chance of being implemented. Is it possible to make it visually obvious that scrolling has occurred? There are *many* ways to do it visually, but most would involve a lot of work. If anyone wants to barnstorm, I'll contribute that much. -- testing bP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au Fri Jan 29 08:38:20 2016 From: peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au (blind Pete) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:38:20 +1100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160128194219.4fd0ebc8@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128172625.2aa2ccc5@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128182805.Horde.U-U6gDlNmMFlUBJN6SIaU9T@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128183634.05354397@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128113038.15b5be3a@whynot.keepingdreams.org> <20160128193651.7029ab54@anthra> <20160128194219.4fd0ebc8@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160129183820.32e50c96@PPlive> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:42:19 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:36:51 +0100, wwp wrote: > >On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 11:30:38 -0700 Charlie Kravetz > > >> Instead of designing for the smallest possible device, designing > >> for usability would work. The area used to be 5 lines, now it > >> defaults to two. Taking it back to 5 lines would eliminate most of > >> these issues. > > >The ruler still exist to make more room. > > > >And it's not really 2 in fact, it's N+1, where N is the necessary > >sufficient number of recipient header(s) following the context (1 > >when composing, 1 or more when replying, etc.). +1 being for a new > >recipient to add. > > Wrong, the default size is fixed, likely 2 address lines without > scrolling, as Charlie already pointed out, the size doesn't change, > but we can resize the window segment to what ever size we wish and > Claws remembers that size, so we don't need to do it again and again, > if we prefer another default. Ah, the default. Seasoned users have adjusted it to suit themselves, as they should, but beginners should be presented with "obvious mode" rather than "race tuned" mode. -- testing bP From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Fri Jan 29 09:16:13 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:16:13 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160129183820.32e50c96@PPlive> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128172625.2aa2ccc5@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128182805.Horde.U-U6gDlNmMFlUBJN6SIaU9T@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128183634.05354397@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128113038.15b5be3a@whynot.keepingdreams.org> <20160128193651.7029ab54@anthra> <20160128194219.4fd0ebc8@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129183820.32e50c96@PPlive> Message-ID: <20160129091613.203423a6@archlinux.localdomain> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:38:20 +1100, blind Pete wrote: >Ah, the default. Seasoned users have adjusted it to suit themselves, >as they should, but beginners should be presented with "obvious mode" >rather than "race tuned" mode. If the default becomes ... ┌───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐ │From: [Foo v][foo at b.ar ]│ │[To: ][v][users at lists.claws-mail.org ][ References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128172625.2aa2ccc5@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128182805.Horde.U-U6gDlNmMFlUBJN6SIaU9T@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128183634.05354397@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128113038.15b5be3a@whynot.keepingdreams.org> <20160128193651.7029ab54@anthra> <20160128194219.4fd0ebc8@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129183820.32e50c96@PPlive> <20160129091613.203423a6@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160129194121.669f4e97@PPlive> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:16:13 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:38:20 +1100, blind Pete wrote: > >Ah, the default. Seasoned users have adjusted it to suit themselves, > >as they should, but beginners should be presented with "obvious mode" > >rather than "race tuned" mode. > > If the default becomes ... > > ┌───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐ > │From: [Foo v][foo at b.ar ]│ > │[To: ][v][users at lists.claws-mail.org ][ │[To: ][v][ ][ │ │ > │ │ > │ │ > │ │ > │ │ > │ │ > │ │ > │ │ > │ │ > │ │ > │ │ > └───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ > ┌───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐ > │ Subject: [ Re: [Users] Scary composer feature ]│ > └───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ > ┌─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┬─┐ > │... people perhaps will complain about the wasted, empty,│ │ > │unused space of the addresses section, that is missing │ │ > │for the message body section. ;) │█│ > │ │█│ > │-- │█│ > │Barbie hypocrisy │█│ > │Mattel's female dolls got human shapes. │█│ > │What about Mattel's male dolls? │█│ > │Isn't this female sexism, misandry? │█│ > └─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┴─┘ Hopefully, that would be more obvious than the current situation. It would be usable and the people who adjust things would adjust things to suit, rather than panic-ing when their address disappears. A *non* integer pane size would be more obvious. Two and a lines look very different from two or three. It is more striking than the difference between two and three. -- testing bP From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Jan 29 13:42:45 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:42:45 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: "" In-Reply-To: <20160129071512.6322c7ca@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128130430.7a2c008b@pfortin.com> <20160128191033.12588085@lilith> <20160129000644.1cd6e738@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071512.6322c7ca@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160129134245.59e5252c@gandalf.lan2> Ralf, > On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:06:44 +0100, Michael wrote: > >I'm not sure it that's exactly what the OP had problems with, but this > >is what happens when i reduce the adress area to the minimum of 1 line: > > > >If i launch 'compose new mail' i see one TO: line. However, the moment > >i hit a key, the next line will be added. Unfortunately, the whole > >thing now autoscrolls and moves the line i'm typing in 'upward' and > >thus, out of view. I'm typing blind now ... > > > >Seriously, this can't be the answer. I vote for enlarging the area for > >every line added. > > Instead of scrolling through the addresses you prefer to scroll through > the message body, because just a single line of the message body is > displayed, if enough recipients were added? yes From johnericsutton at gmail.com Fri Jan 29 13:40:04 2016 From: johnericsutton at gmail.com (John Sutton) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:40:04 +0000 Subject: [Users] Endless certificate warnings Message-ID: <20160129124004.23e9c53a@avocado.maths.cam.ac.uk> I have two accounts set up in Claws Mail 3.9.3, one is gmail, the other is a university account. All 4 channels (two each of imap and smtp) use ssl. I'm running on Ubuntu 14.04.3. I am inundated with SSL certificate warnings! On average maybe 10 times a week I have to manually accept a certificate. I have the required CA certificates- "GeoTrust Global CA", expires 2022, and "QuoVadis Root CA 2", expires 2031 - in /etc/ssl/certs but it seems that either Claws Mail can't find them or can't use them or is supposed to have its own copies which (again) it can neither find nor use. I can find nothing in the preferences which seems relevant to this problem. Please can somebody give me a clue? Thanks. -- John Sutton Weekdays 07980 863017 Weekends 01239 710658 From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Jan 29 13:56:45 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:56:45 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160129071047.6684723a@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071047.6684723a@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160129135645.0893512f@gandalf.lan2> What if chuser saves attachments which rocketmouse wants to open ? This is not a rethorical question, but a daily situation. From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Jan 29 13:58:33 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:58:33 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: "" In-Reply-To: <20160129134245.59e5252c@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128130430.7a2c008b@pfortin.com> <20160128191033.12588085@lilith> <20160129000644.1cd6e738@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071512.6322c7ca@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129134245.59e5252c@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160129135833.416e0b0f@gandalf.lan2> To clarify, i would of course not do it this way. I'd resize the address area, or click the message to open in its own window. But first i always want to see the persons involved. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Fri Jan 29 14:42:46 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:42:46 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160129135645.0893512f@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071047.6684723a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129135645.0893512f@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160129144246.64f48d33@archlinux.localdomain> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:56:45 +0100, Michael wrote: >What if chuser saves attachments which rocketmouse wants to open ? > >This is not a rethorical question, but a daily situation. Since chuser is just in the group of rocketmouse, chuser only can read, but can't write to rocketmouse's home and since rocketmouse even isn't in the group of chuser, rocketmouse even can't read chuser's home. Actually this is the reason for me to run Sylpheed as user chuser by a user rocketmouse session. However, you could create a shared folder with the needed permissions, but I don't know how to solve one issue, that for sure is solvable: [rocketmouse at archlinux Desktop]$ mkdir shared_test_folder [rocketmouse at archlinux Desktop]$ ls -hAl total 4.0K drwxr-xr-x 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 4.0K Jan 29 14:27 shared_test_folder [rocketmouse at archlinux Desktop]$ chmod g+w shared_test_folder/ [rocketmouse at archlinux Desktop]$ ls -hAl total 4.0K drwxrwxr-x 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 4.0K Jan 29 14:27 shared_test_folder [rocketmouse at archlinux Desktop]$ ls -hAl shared_test_folder/ total 8.0K -rw------- 1 chuser chuser 4.2K Jan 29 14:29 Avast_Account_–_please_confirm.eml Here it ends ... [rocketmouse at archlinux Desktop]$ cat shared_test_folder/Avast_Account_–_please_confirm.eml cat: shared_test_folder/Avast_Account_–_please_confirm.eml: Permission denied ... even after using a shared group. [rocketmouse at archlinux Desktop]$ chown rocketmouse:storage shared_test_folder/ [rocketmouse at archlinux Desktop]$ ls -hAl total 4.0K drwxrwxr-x 2 rocketmouse storage 4.0K Jan 29 14:29 shared_test_folder [rocketmouse at archlinux Desktop]$ ls -hAl shared_test_folder/ total 36K -rw------- 1 chuser chuser 4.2K Jan 29 14:29 Avast_Account_–_please_confirm.eml -rw------- 1 chuser chuser 25K Jan 29 14:36 Welcome!_Just_one_more_thing....eml From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Jan 29 15:20:29 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:20:29 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160129144246.64f48d33@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071047.6684723a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129135645.0893512f@gandalf.lan2> <20160129144246.64f48d33@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160129152029.66d0d5e7@gandalf.lan2> Ralf, > Since chuser is just in the group of rocketmouse, chuser only can > read, but can't write to rocketmouse's home See, thats why it won't work. Look, it's for no-geek lusers and kids, and i might be unavailable for weeks or months. It can't be complicated and prone to problems that they've no chance to understand or solve. In fact, there can't be any kind of circumstances or problems at all. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Fri Jan 29 15:59:57 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:59:57 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160129152029.66d0d5e7@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071047.6684723a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129135645.0893512f@gandalf.lan2> <20160129144246.64f48d33@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129152029.66d0d5e7@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160129155957.0bb4f087@archlinux.localdomain> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:20:29 +0100, Michael wrote: >Ralf, > >> Since chuser is just in the group of rocketmouse, chuser only can >> read, but can't write to rocketmouse's home > >See, thats why it won't work. > >Look, it's for no-geek lusers and kids, and i might be unavailable for >weeks or months. It can't be complicated and prone to problems that >they've no chance to understand or solve. In fact, there can't be any >kind of circumstances or problems at all. No, that's easy to solve. I showed that you easily can write to a shared folder after adding write access to the group permission. The issue is that by default the saved files are read/write for the mail client account user only and not accessible by the user running the session. Anyway, I solved this issue for you. Session of user 'rocketmouse', Sylpheed launched as user 'chuser': [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ sudo mkdir /mnt/u1.fat32 [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdc8 /mnt/u1.fat32 -o rw,umask=0000 [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ sudo mkdir /mnt/u1.fat32/shared_test_folder [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAld /mnt/u1.fat32 drwxrwxrwx 5 root root 16K Jan 29 15:49 /mnt/u1.fat32 [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAld /mnt/u1.fat32/shared_test_folder/ drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 16K Jan 29 15:49 /mnt/u1.fat32/shared_test_folder/ I saved something by Sylpheed: [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl /mnt/u1.fat32/shared_test_folder/ total 16K -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3.0K Jan 29 15:50 You_have_been_unsubscribed_from_the_Xfce_mailing_list.eml [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ tail -n1 /mnt/u1.fat32/shared_test_folder/You_have_been_unsubscribed_from_the_Xfce_mailing_list.eml Goodbye from Xfce! [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ ps aux | grep sylp | grep -v grep rocketm+ 3086 0.0 0.0 15872 3012 ? S 07:42 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/local/bin/chuser sylpheed rocketm+ 3088 0.0 0.5 239316 22448 ? S 07:42 0:06 gksudo -u chuser sylpheed root 3089 0.0 0.1 72312 5252 ? Ss 07:42 0:00 /usr/bin/sudo -H -S -p GNOME_SUDO_PASS -u chuser -- sylpheed chuser 3090 0.0 0.9 676656 36828 ? Sl 07:42 0:12 sylpheed So there's no issue anymore :). Regards, Ralf From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 29 16:04:42 2016 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:04:42 +0000 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160129155957.0bb4f087@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071047.6684723a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129135645.0893512f@gandalf.lan2> <20160129144246.64f48d33@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129152029.66d0d5e7@gandalf.lan2> <20160129155957.0bb4f087@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160129150442.63d9e317@kujata> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:59:57 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > No, that's easy to solve. But still not as easy, I'm thinking, as creating a separate user account for running Claws. with regards Paul From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Fri Jan 29 16:26:07 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:26:07 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160129150442.63d9e317@kujata> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071047.6684723a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129135645.0893512f@gandalf.lan2> <20160129144246.64f48d33@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129152029.66d0d5e7@gandalf.lan2> <20160129155957.0bb4f087@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129150442.63d9e317@kujata> Message-ID: <20160129162607.6b07704a@archlinux.localdomain> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:04:42 +0000, Paul wrote: >On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:59:57 +0100 >Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> No, that's easy to solve. > >But still not as easy, I'm thinking, as creating a separate user >account for running Claws. Actually my example already runs Claws (resp. on my machine sylpheed) by another user account. You're missing the point. Michael wants to launch the other user account within another user's session, so the current session still is directly accessible, there's no need to switch between two user's sessions and just claws or any other app is running for another user. There are reason to prefer this approach over switching between sessions. It's even not a bad habit. It's another way of using the computer as a tool and/or toy. The family shares most of the session, they don't want to run their own sessions, just sometimes they want to run something protected within the family session. Regards, Ralf From pf at pfortin.com Fri Jan 29 17:00:20 2016 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:00:20 -0500 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160129181804.4a625199@PPlive> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128172625.2aa2ccc5@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128182805.Horde.U-U6gDlNmMFlUBJN6SIaU9T@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128183634.05354397@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128113038.15b5be3a@whynot.keepingdreams.org> <20160128193651.7029ab54@anthra> <20160128114503.7607f159@whynot.keepingdreams.org> <20160129181804.4a625199@PPlive> Message-ID: <20160129110020.1ecaf37e@pfortin.com> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:18:04 +1100 blind Pete wrote: >Is it possible to make it visually obvious that scrolling >has occurred? I think so... IMHO, the problem is that the scroll occurs when the FIRST character is entered into the 2nd field. Can this auto-scroll not occur when the user either hits Enter or clicks on the next field? That way, the newly entered field (2nd) will move to position #1 (still visible). That will provide a subliminal change that should make it obvious there was motion... HTH Pierre From pf at pfortin.com Fri Jan 29 17:14:09 2016 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:14:09 -0500 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160129162607.6b07704a@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071047.6684723a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129135645.0893512f@gandalf.lan2> <20160129144246.64f48d33@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129152029.66d0d5e7@gandalf.lan2> <20160129155957.0bb4f087@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129150442.63d9e317@kujata> <20160129162607.6b07704a@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160129111409.367d03bb@pfortin.com> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:26:07 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >Michael wants to launch the other user account within another user's >session, so the current session still is directly accessible, there's >no need to switch between two user's sessions and just claws or >any other app is running for another user. [Been quite busy, and under the weather; so sorry for not jumping in sooner...] I've been running 2 instances of CM for years, like this: - login - start CM#1 - ssh userid2 at localhost - login - start CM#2 # for OP's requirement: - use CM - logout (no xhost, chuser, chroot, whatever...) Both CM instances are available on screen. The 2nd one can simply be logged out. No access to #2 from #1, except for USB boot, in which case, encryption, or keeping #2 mail on a separate USB stick should solve that. HTH, Pierre From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Fri Jan 29 18:08:13 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:08:13 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160129111409.367d03bb@pfortin.com> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071047.6684723a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129135645.0893512f@gandalf.lan2> <20160129144246.64f48d33@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129152029.66d0d5e7@gandalf.lan2> <20160129155957.0bb4f087@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129150442.63d9e317@kujata> <20160129162607.6b07704a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129111409.367d03bb@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20160129180813.4c259f1c@archlinux.localdomain> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:14:09 -0500, Pierre Fortin wrote: >- ssh userid2 at localhost Hi Pierre, I never tried this. What is the correct syntax? What ever name, id, ip combination I try , as user or root I get "ssh: connect to host [foo] port 22: Connection refused" [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ echo $(id -u chuser)@$(cat /etc/hostname) 1001 at archlinux [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ echo $(id -u chuser)@$(hostname -f) 1001 at archlinux.localdomain [rocketmouse at archlinux ~]$ cat /etc/hosts # # /etc/hosts: static lookup table for host names # # http://linuxundich.de/gnu-linux/perl-arch-search-cpan-nicht-erreichbar-metcpan-umleiten/ 46.43.35.68 search.cpan.org # 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost ::1 localhost.localdomain localhost # End of file Regards, Ralf From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Fri Jan 29 18:23:40 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:23:40 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160129180813.4c259f1c@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071047.6684723a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129135645.0893512f@gandalf.lan2> <20160129144246.64f48d33@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129152029.66d0d5e7@gandalf.lan2> <20160129155957.0bb4f087@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129150442.63d9e317@kujata> <20160129162607.6b07704a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129111409.367d03bb@pfortin.com> <20160129180813.4c259f1c@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160129182340.7dd4ff03@archlinux.localdomain> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:08:13 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:14:09 -0500, Pierre Fortin wrote: >>- ssh userid2 at localhost > >Hi Pierre, > >I never tried this. What is the correct syntax? > >What ever name, id, ip combination I try , as user or root I get > >"ssh: connect to host [foo] port 22: Connection refused" PS: Oops, seemingly I need to enable ssh first ;). [root at archlinux rocketmouse]# systemctl status sshd.service ● sshd.service - OpenSSH Daemon Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/sshd.service; disabled; vendor preset: disabled) Active: inactive (dead) I'll test it tomorrow. From bugs.michael at gmx.net Fri Jan 29 20:02:21 2016 From: bugs.michael at gmx.net (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 20:02:21 +0100 Subject: [Users] Crash in mailstream_close at mailstream.c:300 once more Message-ID: <20160129200221.6e60ce3c@noname> Hello, everyone! Any idea what issues related to interrupting IMAP access are still present? The following from the backtrace at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=1118186 is about 3.13.1 and has been hit before in 3.11.1 (2014). If memory serves correctly, mailstream.c is libetpan, which is 1.6 here. Likely it's a NULL-ptr crash. Any ideas? Hmmm ... while writing this and a reply in bugzilla, a brief search turnt up this: http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2015-March/012457.html Guidance highly appreciated. Please. [...] Thread 1 (Thread 0x7f4e4948d700 (LWP 1400)): #0 mailstream_close (s=0x0) at mailstream.c:300 No locals. #1 0x00007f4e88dcd0ef in mailimap_logout (session=0x557beb118220) at mailimap.c:776 response = 0x557beabfdac0 r = error_code = res = 4 #2 0x0000557be8eaeb66 in disconnect_run (op=) at imap-thread.c:697 r = param = result = 0x7fff21ca8a30 From cwallace at lodgingcompany.com Fri Jan 29 20:20:17 2016 From: cwallace at lodgingcompany.com (Chad Wallace) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:20:17 -0800 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: "" In-Reply-To: <20160129071512.6322c7ca@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128161459.20d6184a@kujata> <20160128121936.61c92f18@pfortin.com> <20160128182948.21ef2f27@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128130430.7a2c008b@pfortin.com> <20160128191033.12588085@lilith> <20160129000644.1cd6e738@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071512.6322c7ca@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160129112017.16b26e35@ws78.int.tlc> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 07:15:12 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:06:44 +0100, Michael wrote: > >Seriously, this can't be the answer. I vote for enlarging the area > >for every line added. > > Instead of scrolling through the addresses you prefer to scroll > through the message body, because just a single line of the message > body is displayed, if enough recipients were added? That's quite an exaggeration. But even so, if the recipient area remains resizable, and only automatically enlarges if the user hasn't resized it, that case is covered too. Once it gets too big for your taste, you shrink it up a bit. -- C. Chad Wallace, B.Sc. The Lodging Company http://www.lodgingcompany.com/ OpenPGP Public Key ID: 0x262208A0 From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Jan 29 21:57:13 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 21:57:13 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160129182340.7dd4ff03@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071047.6684723a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129135645.0893512f@gandalf.lan2> <20160129144246.64f48d33@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129152029.66d0d5e7@gandalf.lan2> <20160129155957.0bb4f087@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129150442.63d9e317@kujata> <20160129162607.6b07704a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129111409.367d03bb@pfortin.com> <20160129180813.4c259f1c@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129182340.7dd4ff03@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160129215713.3c0c8a16@gandalf.lan2> ssh login seems to be an interesting option. But i have to clarify that the password protected claws needs read & write access to all the main user folders. I'm not going to explain "You have to save to this folder alone" and "You can't attach a file from there". The result will be, they stop doing mail, because it's a hassle, not fun - end of story. Alternatively, they probably ask me to screw passwords. I guess i can use group permissions and umask settings in ~/.profile making anything rw for the group. (Does claws respect umask settings ?) So then there would be ssh into another account just to have a password barrier ... i'm not convinced if it's not overkill. And i wanted to avoid double user shizophrenia somehow :) But, let's see if it works. (I need a testbed on one of my machines) From pf at pfortin.com Fri Jan 29 22:18:39 2016 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:18:39 -0500 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160129215713.3c0c8a16@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071047.6684723a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129135645.0893512f@gandalf.lan2> <20160129144246.64f48d33@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129152029.66d0d5e7@gandalf.lan2> <20160129155957.0bb4f087@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129150442.63d9e317@kujata> <20160129162607.6b07704a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129111409.367d03bb@pfortin.com> <20160129180813.4c259f1c@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129182340.7dd4ff03@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129215713.3c0c8a16@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160129161839.5e3e3b61@pfortin.com> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 21:57:13 +0100 Michael wrote: >ssh login seems to be an interesting option. For completeness, I used to simply "su - userid2"; but using ssh means I can use the same method locally and from a remote system with X forwarding. >But i have to clarify that the password protected claws needs read & >write access to all the main user folders. I'm not going to explain "You >have to save to this folder alone" and "You can't attach a file from >there". The result will be, they stop doing mail, because it's a hassle, >not fun - end of story. Alternatively, they probably ask me to screw >passwords. Standard linux security... allow parent userid access to child userids; but not the other way. >I guess i can use group permissions and umask settings in ~/.profile >making anything rw for the group. (Does claws respect umask settings ?) All programs are subject to u|g|o permissions. >So then there would be ssh into another account just to have a password >barrier ... i'm not convinced if it's not overkill. And i wanted to >avoid double user shizophrenia somehow :) But, let's see if it works. >(I need a testbed on one of my machines) Let the kids have one machine normally. You can access you CM via ssh from that machine, a different one, or from a remote location... Once you see it in action, you'll see how easy it is.. :) From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Jan 29 23:58:16 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 23:58:16 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160129161839.5e3e3b61@pfortin.com> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071047.6684723a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129135645.0893512f@gandalf.lan2> <20160129144246.64f48d33@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129152029.66d0d5e7@gandalf.lan2> <20160129155957.0bb4f087@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129150442.63d9e317@kujata> <20160129162607.6b07704a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129111409.367d03bb@pfortin.com> <20160129180813.4c259f1c@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129182340.7dd4ff03@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129215713.3c0c8a16@gandalf.lan2> <20160129161839.5e3e3b61@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20160129235816.353e3d1c@gandalf.lan2> Pierre, this somehow looks like it was too easy to be seen :) Now i just need to figure out the safest permissions and a stunning location of $HOME2, and setup a specific desktop launcher. Ah, i just stumbled over the first problem, invoking a simple xterm by gksu and playing around .... the standard apps, called from the claws2 attachments, will use different configurations. This will be hard to epxplain, and accept. And maybe calling for more trouble: For example, the music player did not find the output device (there is no device configuration inbuilt, it was just using pulse but i deinstalled pulseaudio long time ago). (I wonder if i can make the two $HOMEs identical ... but this would probably open up claws1 folders to the main account again. Pity.) I guess the attachment stuff will turn out to be the real problem, after all. But let's leave it at this, my question got answered, there were lots of good ideas and i'll figure it out, somehow. And by the way, thx for all the input here! I'm sure all proposed options are useful, in their own place, and i hope somebody reading this can make use of it. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Sat Jan 30 01:17:45 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:17:45 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160129235816.353e3d1c@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071047.6684723a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129135645.0893512f@gandalf.lan2> <20160129144246.64f48d33@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129152029.66d0d5e7@gandalf.lan2> <20160129155957.0bb4f087@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129150442.63d9e317@kujata> <20160129162607.6b07704a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129111409.367d03bb@pfortin.com> <20160129180813.4c259f1c@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129182340.7dd4ff03@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129215713.3c0c8a16@gandalf.lan2> <20160129161839.5e3e3b61@pfortin.com> <20160129235816.353e3d1c@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160130011745.669daa80@archlinux.localdomain> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 23:58:16 +0100, Michael wrote: >the standard apps, called from the claws2 attachments, will use >different configurations Add user 2 to the group of user 1 and link /home/user2/.config -> /home/user1/.config and regarding fonts, perhaps outside of config /home/user2/.gtkrc-2.0 -> /home/user1/.gtkrc-2.0 this should cover a lot. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Sat Jan 30 01:25:20 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:25:20 +0100 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160130011745.669daa80@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071047.6684723a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129135645.0893512f@gandalf.lan2> <20160129144246.64f48d33@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129152029.66d0d5e7@gandalf.lan2> <20160129155957.0bb4f087@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129150442.63d9e317@kujata> <20160129162607.6b07704a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129111409.367d03bb@pfortin.com> <20160129180813.4c259f1c@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129182340.7dd4ff03@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129215713.3c0c8a16@gandalf.lan2> <20160129161839.5e3e3b61@pfortin.com> <20160129235816.353e3d1c@gandalf.lan2> <20160130011745.669daa80@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160130012520.7ddfb6d6@archlinux.localdomain> On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:17:45 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 23:58:16 +0100, Michael wrote: >>the standard apps, called from the claws2 attachments, will use >>different configurations > >Add user 2 to the group of user 1 and link >/home/user2/.config -> /home/user1/.config >and regarding fonts, perhaps outside of config >/home/user2/.gtkrc-2.0 -> /home/user1/.gtkrc-2.0 >this should cover a lot. My apologies, _don't_! This could lead to confusion, if they try to configure an app opened by Claws2 and there's no write access. From bugs.michael at gmx.net Sat Jan 30 03:36:02 2016 From: bugs.michael at gmx.net (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 03:36:02 +0100 Subject: [Users] Building libetpan for Claws Mail Message-ID: <20160130033602.02f9c405@noname> Another question for Claws Mail power-users: I've just discovered that libetpan doesn't look for libcurl and libexpat anymore, because a commit from 2012 accidentally disables the automatic check for those two libs: https://github.com/dinhviethoa/libetpan/issues/221 Even if you build --with-curl=yes or --with-expat=yes that won't work. The commit got it backwards, and only --with-curl=no --with-expat=no would trigger the other cases of the if-else block. How have you built libetpan so far? From rezso at rezso.net Sat Jan 30 04:21:25 2016 From: rezso at rezso.net (=?UTF-8?B?UMOhZGVyIFJlenPFkQ==?=) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 04:21:25 +0100 Subject: [Users] Building libetpan for Claws Mail In-Reply-To: <20160130033602.02f9c405@noname> References: <20160130033602.02f9c405@noname> Message-ID: <20160130042125.293f10c2@papi.home> > How have you built libetpan so far? libetpan uses curl and expat for the feeds, but claws mail uses libetpan for imap4/nntp support. So neither curl nor expat needed, if you want to compile libetpan for claws mail :) -- regards, rezso -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have no idea whether Hoa keeps it up to date, but the feed parsing code in RSSyl has improved quite a lot since that time. Regards, -- Andrej -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From codejodler at gmx.ch Sat Jan 30 12:01:31 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:01:31 +0100 Subject: [Users] desktop integration Message-ID: <20160130120131.68e394ba@gandalf.lan2> Hello, I know i can poll mails automaticy, but is it also possible to setup a desktop "new mail" indicator independent which is kind of of the MUA ? Ideally, it does not require claws to launch first, but will execute a MUA command when clicked. It would launch just with the xfce desktop. The result is, one would open claws only if something dropped in, and although it's got the password to the IMAP server, it would not poll any mails by itself. From codejodler at gmx.ch Sat Jan 30 12:03:28 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:03:28 +0100 Subject: [Users] desktop integration In-Reply-To: <20160130120131.68e394ba@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160130120131.68e394ba@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160130120328.0ba2b1b4@gandalf.lan2> oops typing blindly while talking to others on the phone is bad habit :) i'm sorry, what i meant was: I know i can poll mails automaticly, but is it also possible to setup a desktop "new mail" indicator which is independent of the MUA ? From andrej at kacian.sk Sat Jan 30 12:16:24 2016 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:16:24 +0100 Subject: [Users] desktop integration In-Reply-To: <20160130120328.0ba2b1b4@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160130120131.68e394ba@gandalf.lan2> <20160130120328.0ba2b1b4@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160130121624.2b942f2b@penny> On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:03:28 +0100 Michael wrote: > oops typing blindly while talking to others on the phone is bad habit :) i'm sorry, what i meant was: > > I know i can poll mails automaticly, but is it also possible to setup a desktop "new mail" indicator which is independent of the MUA ? You can use any of the zillions notification apps, gadgets and widgets that are available for watching new IMAP and/or POP3 messages. This has nothing to do with Claws Mail, really. Regards, -- Andrej From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Sat Jan 30 13:41:26 2016 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 13:41:26 +0100 Subject: [Users] desktop integration In-Reply-To: <20160130121624.2b942f2b@penny> References: <20160130120131.68e394ba@gandalf.lan2> <20160130120328.0ba2b1b4@gandalf.lan2> <20160130121624.2b942f2b@penny> Message-ID: <20160130134126.14179fcc@archlinux.localdomain> On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:16:24 +0100, Andrej Kacian wrote: >You can use any of the zillions notification apps, gadgets and widgets >that are available for watching new IMAP and/or POP3 messages. This has >nothing to do with Claws Mail, really. Likely not all, but for sure most of them, for panels or stand alone, require a running MUA. I guess Michael needs a name of such an app. When I answered to a PM I gave the same answer as you did Andrej, because it wasn't clear that no MUA is running. However, at least a script should allow to check just for new mail, while no MUA is running and it could notify using zenity or a terminal emulation. Regarding the information provided by PMs, I suspect that Michael needs to do too much unusual things to satisfy the noob family needs and even while all of them are helpful for the noobs, they are OTOH prone to cause issues. I strongly advise against doing too much, otherwise it will become a never-ending admin job. From silver.bullet at zoho.com Sat Jan 30 18:25:12 2016 From: silver.bullet at zoho.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 18:25:12 +0100 Subject: [Users] Bounce score issues likely will be caused by several providers soon - Was: A PM regarding Rocketmail, aka Yahoo issues In-Reply-To: <20160130154556.707891cb@kujata> References: <20160130154556.707891cb@kujata> Message-ID: <20160130182512.64ba6975@utnubu> Hi Paul, hi list subscribers, I re-subscribed with a zoho.com address, since Rocketmail, aka Yahoo causes issues. People from the list should get informed that this likely will become soon an issue too, when using other providers. On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 15:45:56 +0000, Paul wrote: >Your domain (rocketmail.com) is causing many subscribers to get >automatically unsubscribed due to fatal bounces. That's new. However, I'm aware that there are issues. I monitor my bounce score. There are rumours that Google and other providers will follow a new policy soon too. On the quick I at least remember one thread from this month, that's related to mailing list issues: Thread started here ... https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2016-January/040455.html ... there are several follow-ups and it ends here https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2016-January/040526.html . Regards, Ralf From m8il1ists at gmail.com Sat Jan 30 23:54:59 2016 From: m8il1ists at gmail.com (Kevin Chadwick) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 22:54:59 +0000 Subject: [Users] password protection In-Reply-To: <20160129215713.3c0c8a16@gandalf.lan2> References: <20160128195505.4734af10@gandalf.lan2> <20160128185636.20bfe14b@kujata> <20160128211613.22516686@gandalf.lan2> <20160128213634.021eb494@gandalf.lan2> <20160128214802.5fcc3302@penny> <20160128233836.324945de@gandalf.lan2> <20160129071047.6684723a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129135645.0893512f@gandalf.lan2> <20160129144246.64f48d33@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129152029.66d0d5e7@gandalf.lan2> <20160129155957.0bb4f087@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129150442.63d9e317@kujata> <20160129162607.6b07704a@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129111409.367d03bb@pfortin.com> <20160129180813.4c259f1c@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129182340.7dd4ff03@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129215713.3c0c8a16@gandalf.lan2> Message-ID: <20160130225459.6c41514d@expedite.oesys.co> > But i have to clarify that the password protected claws needs read & write access to all the main user folders. I'm not going to explain "You have to save to this folder alone" and "You can't attach a file from there". The result will be, they stop doing mail, because it's a hassle, not fun - end of story. Alternatively, they probably ask me to screw passwords. So make the sudo -u user a member of the existing users group and change the default umask to 007. Done? -- KISSIS - Keep It Simple So It's Securable From codejodler at gmx.ch Sun Jan 31 00:52:36 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 00:52:36 +0100 Subject: [Users] desktop integration In-Reply-To: <20160130134126.14179fcc@archlinux.localdomain> References: <20160130120131.68e394ba@gandalf.lan2> <20160130120328.0ba2b1b4@gandalf.lan2> <20160130121624.2b942f2b@penny> <20160130134126.14179fcc@archlinux.localdomain> Message-ID: <20160131005236.3ec12a8b@gandalf.lan2> I just discovered xfce-mailwatch-plugin and it's got a one-click command so i can use it for starting claws too. However i had no opportunity for tests in the final environment yet. > I strongly advise against doing too much, otherwise it > will become a never-ending admin job. That describes my job perfectly. ..... but, i get wonderful meals :-) From rhutter at posteo.de Sun Jan 31 20:35:54 2016 From: rhutter at posteo.de (Ralf Hutter) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:35:54 +0100 Subject: [Users] Again: Account lost Message-ID: <20160131203554.6dc81903@Trisdesk> Hello everybody, i posted the almost exact issue in august already, and since then it has happened twice again: Claws doesn't show me one of my two email-accounts any more. No error message, nothing happened, it's just gone. I find data about this account, namely the different folders, in the folders cert, imapcache and tagsdb, but not in the files accountrc, folderitemrc and folderlist.xml. It is always an account of riseup.net that disappears. Could that play a role? It always happens on my laptop. 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From codejodler at gmx.ch Sun Jan 31 22:39:32 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 22:39:32 +0100 Subject: [Users] folderitemrc Message-ID: <20160131223932.10bd83f9@gandalf.lan2> Hi, i just note there are mny old obsolete entries in folderitemrc. How can i clear these off ? Is there a better way than editing manually ? From codejodler at gmx.ch Sun Jan 31 22:45:14 2016 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 22:45:14 +0100 Subject: [Users] folder properties 'chmod' Message-ID: <20160131224514.7aed7457@gandalf.lan2> How does folder properties -> chmod work ? Can i just write 700 oder even something like rwx------ ? And when do you think it's useful ? From ricardo at mones.org Sun Jan 31 23:54:43 2016 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 23:54:43 +0100 Subject: [Users] Again: Account lost In-Reply-To: <20160131203554.6dc81903@Trisdesk> References: <20160131203554.6dc81903@Trisdesk> Message-ID: <20160131235443.24aa4844@busgosu> On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:35:54 +0100 Ralf Hutter wrote: > Hello everybody, > i posted the almost exact issue in august already, and since then it has > happened twice again: Claws doesn't show me one of my two > email-accounts any more. No error message, nothing happened, it's just > gone. > I find data about this account, namely the different folders, in the > folders cert, imapcache and tagsdb, but not in the files accountrc, > folderitemrc and folderlist.xml. Those files have backup copies (.bak) on the same folder. You can check if they're OK and eventually restore the originals. > It is always an account of riseup.net that disappears. Could that play a > role? Don't see how, unless you are talking about some kind of magic... :) > It always happens on my laptop. On my desktop computer i've been > having the same install for about 3 months now without any problems. Same OS? Same filesystem? Same disk technology? All that counts. > Any ideas? Upgrade: your version is very old. regards, -- Ricardo Mones ~ The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. Unknown -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From moh at gmx.org Sun Jan 31 23:55:15 2016 From: moh at gmx.org (Steffen Klemer) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 23:55:15 +0100 Subject: [Users] Scary composer feature: disappearing address fields In-Reply-To: <20160129194121.669f4e97@PPlive> References: <20160128165503.Horde.9D277_agBRq4EUFU-9kEH3L@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128172625.2aa2ccc5@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128182805.Horde.U-U6gDlNmMFlUBJN6SIaU9T@webmail.your-server.de> <20160128183634.05354397@archlinux.localdomain> <20160128113038.15b5be3a@whynot.keepingdreams.org> <20160128193651.7029ab54@anthra> <20160128194219.4fd0ebc8@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129183820.32e50c96@PPlive> <20160129091613.203423a6@archlinux.localdomain> <20160129194121.669f4e97@PPlive> Message-ID: <20160131235515.494de250@ente.kel.wh.lokal> Am Fri, 29.01.2016 um 19:41 schrieb blind Pete : > A *non* integer pane size would be more obvious. Two and a lines look > very different from two or three. It is more striking than the > difference between two and three. Yes? How about 2.5 lines as the default? Then one could definitely see that the first recipient isn't gone but only scrolled away. And it doesn't waste much more space then the current default. /Steffen -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ - against proprietary attachments