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>    1. Re: Version 3.13 (Brian Morrison)
>    2. Re: How do i enable top-posting in response emails?
>       (Brian Morrison)
>    3. Re: How do i enable top-posting in response emails?
>       (Patrick Boettcher)
>    4. Re: Version 3.13 (Paul)
>    5. Re: How do i enable top-posting in response emails? (Ralf 
> Mardorf)
>    6. Re: How do i enable top-posting in response emails?
>       (H.Merijn Brand)
>    7. Re: How do i enable top-posting in response emails? (Ralf 
> Mardorf)
>    8. Re: Version 3.13 (Chad Wallace)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 15:47:23 +0100
> From: Brian Morrison To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
> Subject: Re: [Users] Version 3.13
> Message-ID: <20151013154723.00007455 at surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
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> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 17:14:47 +0300
> moxalt wrote:
>
>> Dictating
>> to the users whether they should sort ascending or descending just
>> seems very petty.
>
> That isn't what happened. The previous behaviour happened to work for
> both sort orders, the new behaviour only works as expected for one.
>
> It will get fixed soon, but not instantly.
>
> -- 
>
> Brian Morrison
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 15:48:57 +0100
> From: Brian Morrison To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
> Subject: Re: [Users] How do i enable top-posting in response emails?
> Message-ID: <20151013154857.000039a6 at surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
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> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 17:18:53 +0300
> moxalt wrote:
>
>> Please, please, please, please don't top-post. Please.
>
> In some places it is the expected, and often required, behaviour.
>
> It's configurable on a per-folder basis to allow it to be used in some
> cases and not in others.
>
> -- 
>
> Brian Morrison
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:50:44 +0200
> From: Patrick Boettcher

> To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: users at lists.claws-mail.org
> Subject: Re: [Users] How do i enable top-posting in response emails?
> Message-ID: <20151013165044.03b77d09 at dibcom294.coe.adi.dibcom.com>
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> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:33:16 +0200 Ralf Mardorf
>  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 17:18:53 +0300, moxalt wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:58:23 +0200, Ralf Hutter wrote:
>>>> i've looked around a lot, but nowhere can i find the possibility to
>>>> have the cursor positioned above the answered text, when responding
>>>> to an email, instead of below.
>>>
>>> Please, please, please, please don't top-post. Please.
>>
>> The OP seems to be from Germany, so assumed he needs Claws for office
>> work, he might not have a choice.
>
> Even more off-topic than moxalt's answer in regards to this thread:
>
> I would not assume that someone using a .de-address as sender is from
> Germany (especially when it's posteo.de).
>> Sometimes business people ask to quote the complete correspondence. 
>> If
>> you would bottom post, they won't read the mail, because they think 
>> you
>> didn't answer. It's expected that replies are on top, followed by 
>> tons
>> of older messages, including all that grotesque signatures that are
>> three times as long as the message bodies are.
>
> I can confirm this reasoning. In addition this flow makes threading
> quite unuseful - sometimes.
> regards,
> --
> Patrick.
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 15:55:46 +0100
> From: Paul To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
> Subject: Re: [Users] Version 3.13
> Message-ID: <20151013155546.7821c152 at kujata.lan>
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> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 15:47:23 +0100
> Brian Morrison  wrote:
>> That isn't what happened. The previous behaviour happened to work
>> for both sort orders, the new behaviour only works as expected for
>> one.
>
> No, not even that. What it is is this:
>
> You have 3 msgs, 1, 2, and 3. 1 is the oldest, 3 is the newest.
> Previously if you sorted with newest at the bottom and delete 2, then
> 1 (the older message) would be automatically selected. If you sorted
> with the newest at the top and you deleted 2, then 3 (the newest)
> would get selected.
>
> With version 3.13.0, regardless of which way you sort, if you delete
> 2, 1, the oldest, gets selected.
>
> with regards
>
> Paul
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:58:28 +0200
> From: Ralf Mardorf To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
> Subject: Re: [Users] How do i enable top-posting in response emails?
> Message-ID: <20151013165828.267136d0 at archlinux.localdomain>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:50:44 +0200, Patrick Boettcher wrote:
>> I would not assume that someone using a .de-address as sender is from
>> Germany (especially when it's posteo.de)
>
> The OP's name spelling is the same spelling as my name's spelling.
>
> Ralf
>
> I suspect that in most other countries the spelling more often is
>
> Ralph
>
> That's the reason that I wrote that the "OP seems to be from Germany".
>                                             ^^^^^
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 17:22:37 +0200
> From: "H.Merijn Brand" To: Patrick Boettcher

> Cc: users at lists.claws-mail.org
> Subject: Re: [Users] How do i enable top-posting in response emails?
> Message-ID: <20151013172237.62a446c4 at pc09.procura.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:50:44 +0200, Patrick Boettcher
>
  wrote:
>
>>> Sometimes business people ask to quote the complete correspondence. 
>>> If
>>> you would bottom post, they won't read the mail, because they think 
>>> you
>>> didn't answer. It's expected that replies are on top, followed by 
>>> tons
>>> of older messages, including all that grotesque signatures that are
>>> three times as long as the message bodies are.
>
> and what about the complete stack of company logo's (multi-fold, as 
> all
> replyers add their own set), smiley gifs, jpegs for twitter, facebook
> and other shit and worse, advertisements!
>
>> I can confirm this reasoning. In addition this flow makes threading
>> quite unuseful - sometimes.
>
> Even when people expect me to do top-posting, I do so with just a
> single line as top-post:
>
> "I have answers to all your questions. Read them below the questions 
> you
>  asked in your ridiculously long mail (from which I stripped all 
> useless
>  company logo's and signatures)"
>
> Then I reply as usual. If they still don't get it, its their fault, 
> not
> mine.
>
> -- 
> H.Merijn Brand  http://tux.nl   Perl Monger  http://amsterdam.pm.org/
> using perl5.00307 .. 5.21   porting perl5 on HP-UX, AIX, and openSUSE
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 17:34:09 +0200
> From: Ralf Mardorf To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
> Subject: Re: [Users] How do i enable top-posting in response emails?
> Message-ID: <20151013173409.6c8aae77 at archlinux.localdomain>
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> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 17:22:37 +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:50:44 +0200, Patrick Boettcher
>>
  wrote:
>>
>>>> Sometimes business people ask to quote the complete
>>>> correspondence. If you would bottom post, they won't read the
>>>> mail, because they think you didn't answer. It's expected that
>>>> replies are on top, followed by tons of older messages, including
>>>> all that grotesque signatures that are three times as long as the
>>>> message bodies are.
>>
>> and what about the complete stack of company logo's (multi-fold, as 
>> all
>> replyers add their own set), smiley gifs, jpegs for twitter, facebook
>> and other shit and worse, advertisements!
>
> and http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/
>
> That's why I used the word "grotesque". This are the signatures I'm
> talking about. I usually cut it and I bet nobody notices, since nobody
> will read the quoted mails.
>
>>> I can confirm this reasoning. In addition this flow makes threading
>>> quite unuseful - sometimes.
>>
>> Even when people expect me to do top-posting, I do so with just a
>> single line as top-post:
>>
>> "I have answers to all your questions. Read them below the questions
>> you asked in your ridiculously long mail (from which I stripped all
>> useless company logo's and signatures)"
>>
>> Then I reply as usual. If they still don't get it, its their fault, 
>> not
>> mine.
>
> This is what I often do too, but if I want my money back, a good job 
> or
> something similar, I prefer that they get it ;).
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 09:49:58 -0700
> From: Chad Wallace To: users at lists.claws-mail.org
> Subject: Re: [Users] Version 3.13
> Message-ID: <20151013094958.6f2ab2e2 at ws78.int.tlc>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 15:55:46 +0100
> Paul  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 15:47:23 +0100
>> Brian Morrison  wrote:
>>> That isn't what happened. The previous behaviour happened to work
>>> for both sort orders, the new behaviour only works as expected for
>>> one.
>>
>> No, not even that. What it is is this:
>>
>> You have 3 msgs, 1, 2, and 3. 1 is the oldest, 3 is the newest.
>> Previously if you sorted with newest at the bottom and delete 2, then
>> 1 (the older message) would be automatically selected. If you sorted
>> with the newest at the top and you deleted 2, then 3 (the newest)
>> would get selected.
>>
>> With version 3.13.0, regardless of which way you sort, if you delete
>> 2, 1, the oldest, gets selected.
>
> Sorry, I'm coming in pretty late on this thread (and I don't have 3.13
> anyway), but 2 cents is 2 cents! :-)
> It would make more sense to me if it would select the newest one, so 3
> in your example.  Or, perhaps it could select a message based on the
> setting for "default selection when entering a folder" in the
> Display/Summaries preferences.
>
>
> -- 
>
> C. Chad Wallace, B.Sc.
> The Lodging Company
> http://www.lodgingcompany.com/
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