[Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.

B. S. bs27975 at gmail.com
Sat Sep 20 10:42:42 CEST 2014

You're missing my point.

That's your/a personal choice.

By being on by default, poorer out of the box experience.

Given the request, far easier to turn on after install, than to turn off.

Remember - this is initial install point. Change of defaults afterwards 
/ etc. different story.

That you do/don't like/hate one way or the other by default, is not 
germane to the request.

Put another way - a reasonable user of the vast majority of e-mail use 
these days I expect would expect non-threaded initially. That should be 
the guide. That a reasonable *technical/developer* user of the vast 
majority of e-mail use these days I would expect threaded initially, may 
or may not be true, but is a rather smaller subset of the user domain 
used above. The former, not the latter, should be the guide.

As I said - an option would fix it, satisfy everyone, lead to a better 
out of box experience, and save a pile of fiddly work at migration.

On 14-09-20 03:07 AM, pete nikolic wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 00:14:51 +0000
> noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote:
>> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3288
>>              Bug ID: 3288
>>             Summary: Set default message view NOT threaded.
>>      Classification: Unclassified
>>             Product: Claws Mail
>>             Version: 3.8.0
>>            Hardware: PC
>>                  OS: Linux
>>              Status: NEW
>>            Severity: enhancement
>>            Priority: P3
>>           Component: UI/Message List
>>            Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
>>            Reporter: bs27975 at gmail.com
>> Personally, I hate threading, but that's my use case.I keep up with my e-mail /
>> conversations on the go. [And not everybody 'gets' threading / most fail to
>> change the subject line when hijacking threads.]  Back in my NNTP days, though,
>> where I might not keep up with every list every hour, threading had its place,
>> for me.
>> I have just migrated a couple of mailboxes to claws-mail. VERY painful process
>> - given the thousands of messages, this is situation normal. Regardless of the
>> mail client, migration takes an irritating amount of time, nothing unique to CM
>> in that.
>> However, the process of migrating is made worse / more painful / takes longer
>> due to the default message list view of threading.
>> This, IMO, makes the CM out of box experience worse than it could be. Could the
>> default message list view not be threaded, please. Further: When migrating, one
>> is looking to see things are working / it's working at all / progress - so, for
>> example, one watches the messages coming in and probably follows the dates to
>> get a sense of progress. Threading throws this all off. [It's all well and good
>> to see 42 messages of 4,000, say, have been processed - it is a bit more
>> informative to see that import is up to about a month ago. A user will have a
>> sense of how much e-mail was received in the last month, and thus a theoretical
>> sense of how much longer an import might take.]
>> I sure get, once imported, threading may be preferable, thus the current
>> ability to change views is more than sufficient. (Thank you all!)
>> Additional Enhancements:
>> - thread view default (at folder creation) could be a configuration option,
>> left off at install. [Let's one leave off during migration, turn on globally
>> for subsequent folder creations.]
>> - could a thread view indicator / icon be added, please? Perhaps left of toggle
>> quick search bar icon?
>> After / during migration I had to click on each folder, take my hands off
>> keyboard (pressing arrow keys to transit folder list), mouse to click on view,
>> examine threaded status, and click or not as appropriate to turn off.
>> This gets very old very quickly. Being able to click on each folder (if that's
>> what I'm left to do / current situation), see this icon, click it if necessary,
>> then click next folder, would have been much easier.
>> Thanks for listening.
> - 1
> Threading ON by default  i hate non threaded readers
> Pete .

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