From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep  1 03:43:52 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 01:43:52 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3262] New: Keyboard bindings in the Folder pane
Message-ID: <bug-3262-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3262

            Bug ID: 3262
           Summary: Keyboard bindings in the Folder pane
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Folder List
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: nobrowser at gmail.com

Some keybindings are just missing in the Folder tree pane, chief among
those is Home and End.  These should select the root of the first
account and the last folder in the last account, respectively.  I find
myself using repeated PgUp and PgDown instead, which almost works (but
also makes the absence of Home and End even more inexplicable :)

Also, a binding to select the parent of currently selected folder node
(analogous to what default binding of Ctrl-Up does in the message
summary pane) would help a lot.

Thanks.

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From info at endeavor-networks.com  Mon Sep  1 21:11:26 2014
From: info at endeavor-networks.com (ENI)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 15:11:26 -0400
Subject: [Users] POP3S - SSL Handshake Failures.
Message-ID: <20140901151126.00000a04.info@endeavor-networks.com>

>>> Background
>>> 
>>> We've been using Claws Mail (Win32) to reliably send/receive mail
>>> for ~2 years. Two weeks ago (8/17), the server-side certificate
>>> used for POP3S and SMTP (STARTTLS) expired. We believe Claws Mail
>>> (CM) successfully stored the new certificate for both functions,
>>> as we were able to send/receive securely thereafter. Although, we
>>> did see the signature status change from “Correct”, to “No
>>> certificate issuer found”. The POP3S server certificate has since
>>> been deleted from the “Saved SSL Certificates” list during our
>>> investigation of the following issue. We're not sure if it is
>>> relevant, but thought it best to disclose recent events.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Issue - SSL Handshake Failures
>>> 
>>> On the evening of 8/23, we were able to retrieve mail via POP3s. On
>>> the morning of 8/24 we were not. We are experiencing SSL handshake
>>> failures.
>>> 
>>> A Wireshark capture shows the server responding to the SSLv3 Client
>>> Hello, with a Fatal SSLv3 Record Layer Alert (Handshake Failure).
>>> 
>>> Claws Mail 3.10.1 (Win32), indicates the following in it's Network
>>> Log:
>>> 
>>> * Account '<redacted>': Connecting to POP3 server:
>>>   <server-name-redacted>:995... 
>>> *** SSL handshake failed
>>> 
>>> Thunderbird 31.0 succeeds with a TLSv1.2 handshake, whereas CM
>>> fails with a SSLv3 handshake (per Wireshark capture). The cypher
>>> suite negotiated (TLS RSA with AES 256 CBC SHA) in the Thunderbird
>>> session, is supported by CM.
>>> 
>>> Thunderbird: POP3 Mail Server Settings | Security Settings |
>>> Connection Security | SSL/TLS (selected)
>>> 
>>> CM: SSL | POP3 | Use SSL for POP3 connection (selected)
>>> CM: SSL | Send (SMTP) | Use STARTTLS command to start SSL session
>>> (selected)
>>> 
>>> We have three Win XP3 systems configured with CM. There have been
>>> no recent config changes to CM. Each send via SMTP (STARTTLS)
>>> successfully, but each are experiencing POP3S SSL handshake
>>> failures.
>>> 
>>> During our diagnostic efforts, the POP3S server certificate was
>>> deleted in CM, with the expectation that it would be presented
>>> again during the next session setup, but the SSL handshake fails
>>> before that can occur.
>>> 
>>> We've submitted a ticket to our service provider, and are trying to
>>> determine whether there have been any changes on the server side
>>> that would cause the recent SSLv3 handshake failures. We are
>>> inclined to think that they may point to CM, as Thunderbird
>>> succeeds (via TLSv1.2).
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts on how we can diagnose the situation further on our
>>> end?
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> ENI
>>>   
>> 
>> Use the hidden account prefs to specify manually the priority string
>> used. Quit Claws, open ~/.claws-mail/accountrc, find your account
>> block, set 'gnutls_set_priority' to 1, and put your priority string
>> in 'gnutls_priority'.
>> 
>> You could use the gnuTLS command line program to investigate this
>> first.
>> 
>> with regards
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> The last commit in Claws Mail GIT repository might resolve your
>> issue.
>> 
>> regards
>> 
>> Paul
>>   
> 
> Paul:
> 
> Thank you for your interest in our issue, and the suggestions offered.
> 
> Initially, we were focused on trying to restore prior functionality,
> characterized by SSLv3 Record Layer version SSL 3.0, and Handshake
> Protocol version SSL 3.0, as observed with Wireshark.
> 
> After doing some reading we decided that it might be preferable to use
> the 'gnutls_priority' string you identified, to achieve the same setup
> that Thunderbird uses successfully, characterized by TLSv1.2 Record
> Layer version TLS 1.0, and Handshake Protocol version TLS 1.2. 
> 
> We located the appropriate account block within the "accountrc" file
> located at:
> 
> C:\Documents and Settings\user-name-redacted\Application
> Data\Claws-mail\accountrc
> 
> ... and tried a couple of different "gnutls_priority" strings. On each
> occasion, we quit Claws Mail, edited and saved the file, then
> relaunched CM.
> 
> Initial Configuration
> gnutls_set_priority=0
> gnutls_priority=
> 
> Trial # 1
> gnutls_set_priority=1
> gnutls_priority=%LATEST_RECORD_VERSION
> 
> Expectation: a transition from an SSLv3 Record Layer, to a TLSv1.2
> Record Layer.
> Observation: CM still used the SSLv3 Record Layer, and failed the
> handshake.
> 
> Trial # 2
> gnutls_set_priority=1
> gnutls_priority=NORMAL:%LATEST_RECORD_VERSION
> 
> Expectation: Same as above.
> Observation: CM still used the SSLv3 Record Layer, and failed the
> handshake.
> Note: We tried a different syntax, by including "NORMAL:".
> 
> Trial # 3
> gnutls_set_priority=1
> gnutls_priority=NORMAL:-VERS-SSL3.0
> 
> Expectation: a transition to TLS1.0, TLS1.1, or TLS1.2.
> Observation: CM still used the SSLv3 Record Layer, and failed the
> handshake.
> 
> Trial #4
> gnutls_set_priority=1
> gnutls_priority=SECURE256
> 
> Expectation: a reduction in the number of cipher suites offered.
> Observation: The same 28 suites were offered, as with NORMAL.
> Note: This test was just to see if we could bring about any change in
> behavior with a priority string.
> 
> It appears that our priority strings are not being read or utilized.
> Is there something about our syntax that is incorrect?
> 
> 
> The GnuTLS Manual, which does not indicate a software revision number,
> made the following statements in Section 5.10 Priority strings:
> 
> "Priority strings are not constant between gnutls versions".
> 
> "Unless the initial keyword is "NONE" the defaults (in preference
> order) are for TLS protocols TLS1.2, TLS1.1, TLS1.0, SSL3.0 ... ".
> 
> We are not sure why SSL3.0 is being used, when these other protocols
> are supposed to have preference.
> 
> 
> We searched for the "gnutls-cli" command line program, but it was not
> found on our Win32 system. Perhaps this utility is not included in the
> CM (Win32) installer.
> 
> Any additional thoughts would be appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
> ENI
>

To all:

We downloaded the latest "GnuTLS for Windows" to get a copy of
"gnutls-cli".

When we ran "gnutls-cli" from within the extracted group of downloaded
files, we were able to connect to the server via POP3S:

gnutls-cli -p 995 <server-name-redacted>

Processed 135 CA certificate(s).
Resolving '<server-name-redacted>'...
Connecting to '<ip-address-redacted>:995'...
- Certificate type: X.509
- Got a certificate list of 2 certificates.
<redacted>
- Status: The certificate is trusted.
- Description: (TLS1.2)-(RSA)-(AES-256-CBC)-(SHA256)
- Session ID: <redacted>
- Version: TLS1.2
- Key Exchange: RSA
- Cipher: AES-256-CBC
- MAC: SHA256
- Compression: NULL
- Handshake was completed
- Simple Client Mode:
+OK POP3 Ready <redacted>

When we tried to run "gnutls-cli" from within the Claws Mail Program
Files folder, we were presented with an "Entry Point Not Found" error
dialog stating: 

"The procedure entry point gnutls_pkcs11_set_token_function could not
be located in the dynamic link library libgnutls-28.dll.'

Don't know if the version (newest) of gnutls-cli is relevant to the
presentation of the error dialog.

Did notice that several of the extracted (downloaded) .dll files have
the same names as those in the program folder, but are of significantly
different sizes.

Re-ran the "claws-mail-3.10.1-pkg56" installer, and none of those .dll
files changed, including libgnutls-28.dll. The installation still fails
the POP3S SSL handshake.

Any additional thoughts would be appreciated.

Best Regards,
ENI


From itz at buug.org  Mon Sep  1 21:53:43 2014
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 12:53:43 -0700
Subject: [Users] POP3S - SSL Handshake Failures.
In-Reply-To: <20140901151126.00000a04.info@endeavor-networks.com>
References: <20140901151126.00000a04.info@endeavor-networks.com>
Message-ID: <20140901125343.1e9d3681.itz@buug.org>

On Mon, 1 Sep 2014 15:11:26 -0400,
ENI <info at endeavor-networks.com> wrote:

ENI> When we tried to run "gnutls-cli" from within the Claws Mail
ENI> Program Files folder, we were presented with an "Entry Point Not
ENI> Found" error dialog stating:

ENI> "The procedure entry point gnutls_pkcs11_set_token_function could
ENI> not be located in the dynamic link library libgnutls-28.dll.'

ENI> Don't know if the version (newest) of gnutls-cli is relevant to the
ENI> presentation of the error dialog.

ENI> Did notice that several of the extracted (downloaded) .dll files
ENI> have the same names as those in the program folder, but are of
ENI> significantly different sizes.

Windows DLL hell strikes!

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From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Tue Sep  2 11:52:14 2014
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 10:52:14 +0100
Subject: [Users] POP3S - SSL Handshake Failures.
In-Reply-To: <20140901151126.00000a04.info@endeavor-networks.com>
References: <20140901151126.00000a04.info@endeavor-networks.com>
Message-ID: <20140902105214.00007a0b@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Mon, 1 Sep 2014 15:11:26 -0400
ENI wrote:

> >>> Background
> >>> 
> >>> We've been using Claws Mail (Win32) to reliably send/receive mail
> >>> for ~2 years. Two weeks ago (8/17), the server-side certificate
> >>> used for POP3S and SMTP (STARTTLS) expired. We believe Claws Mail
> >>> (CM) successfully stored the new certificate for both functions,
> >>> as we were able to send/receive securely thereafter. Although, we
> >>> did see the signature status change from “Correct”, to “No
> >>> certificate issuer found”. The POP3S server certificate has since
> >>> been deleted from the “Saved SSL Certificates” list during our
> >>> investigation of the following issue. We're not sure if it is
> >>> relevant, but thought it best to disclose recent events.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Issue - SSL Handshake Failures
> >>> 
> >>> On the evening of 8/23, we were able to retrieve mail via POP3s.
> >>> On the morning of 8/24 we were not. We are experiencing SSL
> >>> handshake failures.
> >>> 
> >>> A Wireshark capture shows the server responding to the SSLv3
> >>> Client Hello, with a Fatal SSLv3 Record Layer Alert (Handshake
> >>> Failure).
> >>> 
> >>> Claws Mail 3.10.1 (Win32), indicates the following in it's Network
> >>> Log:
> >>> 
> >>> * Account '<redacted>': Connecting to POP3 server:
> >>>   <server-name-redacted>:995... 
> >>> *** SSL handshake failed
> >>> 
> >>> Thunderbird 31.0 succeeds with a TLSv1.2 handshake, whereas CM
> >>> fails with a SSLv3 handshake (per Wireshark capture). The cypher
> >>> suite negotiated (TLS RSA with AES 256 CBC SHA) in the Thunderbird
> >>> session, is supported by CM.
> >>> 
> >>> Thunderbird: POP3 Mail Server Settings | Security Settings |
> >>> Connection Security | SSL/TLS (selected)
> >>> 
> >>> CM: SSL | POP3 | Use SSL for POP3 connection (selected)
> >>> CM: SSL | Send (SMTP) | Use STARTTLS command to start SSL session
> >>> (selected)
> >>> 
> >>> We have three Win XP3 systems configured with CM. There have been
> >>> no recent config changes to CM. Each send via SMTP (STARTTLS)
> >>> successfully, but each are experiencing POP3S SSL handshake
> >>> failures.
> >>> 
> >>> During our diagnostic efforts, the POP3S server certificate was
> >>> deleted in CM, with the expectation that it would be presented
> >>> again during the next session setup, but the SSL handshake fails
> >>> before that can occur.
> >>> 
> >>> We've submitted a ticket to our service provider, and are trying
> >>> to determine whether there have been any changes on the server
> >>> side that would cause the recent SSLv3 handshake failures. We are
> >>> inclined to think that they may point to CM, as Thunderbird
> >>> succeeds (via TLSv1.2).
> >>> 
> >>> Any thoughts on how we can diagnose the situation further on our
> >>> end?
> >>> 
> >>> Best Regards,
> >>> ENI
> >>>   
> >> 
> >> Use the hidden account prefs to specify manually the priority
> >> string used. Quit Claws, open ~/.claws-mail/accountrc, find your
> >> account block, set 'gnutls_set_priority' to 1, and put your
> >> priority string in 'gnutls_priority'.
> >> 
> >> You could use the gnuTLS command line program to investigate this
> >> first.
> >> 
> >> with regards
> >> 
> >> Paul
> >> 
> >> 
> >> The last commit in Claws Mail GIT repository might resolve your
> >> issue.
> >> 
> >> regards
> >> 
> >> Paul
> >>   
> > 
> > Paul:
> > 
> > Thank you for your interest in our issue, and the suggestions
> > offered.
> > 
> > Initially, we were focused on trying to restore prior functionality,
> > characterized by SSLv3 Record Layer version SSL 3.0, and Handshake
> > Protocol version SSL 3.0, as observed with Wireshark.
> > 
> > After doing some reading we decided that it might be preferable to
> > use the 'gnutls_priority' string you identified, to achieve the
> > same setup that Thunderbird uses successfully, characterized by
> > TLSv1.2 Record Layer version TLS 1.0, and Handshake Protocol
> > version TLS 1.2. 
> > 
> > We located the appropriate account block within the "accountrc" file
> > located at:
> > 
> > C:\Documents and Settings\user-name-redacted\Application
> > Data\Claws-mail\accountrc
> > 
> > ... and tried a couple of different "gnutls_priority" strings. On
> > each occasion, we quit Claws Mail, edited and saved the file, then
> > relaunched CM.
> > 
> > Initial Configuration
> > gnutls_set_priority=0
> > gnutls_priority=
> > 
> > Trial # 1
> > gnutls_set_priority=1
> > gnutls_priority=%LATEST_RECORD_VERSION
> > 
> > Expectation: a transition from an SSLv3 Record Layer, to a TLSv1.2
> > Record Layer.
> > Observation: CM still used the SSLv3 Record Layer, and failed the
> > handshake.
> > 
> > Trial # 2
> > gnutls_set_priority=1
> > gnutls_priority=NORMAL:%LATEST_RECORD_VERSION
> > 
> > Expectation: Same as above.
> > Observation: CM still used the SSLv3 Record Layer, and failed the
> > handshake.
> > Note: We tried a different syntax, by including "NORMAL:".
> > 
> > Trial # 3
> > gnutls_set_priority=1
> > gnutls_priority=NORMAL:-VERS-SSL3.0
> > 
> > Expectation: a transition to TLS1.0, TLS1.1, or TLS1.2.
> > Observation: CM still used the SSLv3 Record Layer, and failed the
> > handshake.
> > 
> > Trial #4
> > gnutls_set_priority=1
> > gnutls_priority=SECURE256
> > 
> > Expectation: a reduction in the number of cipher suites offered.
> > Observation: The same 28 suites were offered, as with NORMAL.
> > Note: This test was just to see if we could bring about any change
> > in behavior with a priority string.
> > 
> > It appears that our priority strings are not being read or utilized.
> > Is there something about our syntax that is incorrect?
> > 
> > 
> > The GnuTLS Manual, which does not indicate a software revision
> > number, made the following statements in Section 5.10 Priority
> > strings:
> > 
> > "Priority strings are not constant between gnutls versions".
> > 
> > "Unless the initial keyword is "NONE" the defaults (in preference
> > order) are for TLS protocols TLS1.2, TLS1.1, TLS1.0, SSL3.0 ... ".
> > 
> > We are not sure why SSL3.0 is being used, when these other protocols
> > are supposed to have preference.
> > 
> > 
> > We searched for the "gnutls-cli" command line program, but it was
> > not found on our Win32 system. Perhaps this utility is not included
> > in the CM (Win32) installer.
> > 
> > Any additional thoughts would be appreciated.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > ENI
> >
> 
> To all:
> 
> We downloaded the latest "GnuTLS for Windows" to get a copy of
> "gnutls-cli".
> 
> When we ran "gnutls-cli" from within the extracted group of downloaded
> files, we were able to connect to the server via POP3S:
> 
> gnutls-cli -p 995 <server-name-redacted>
> 
> Processed 135 CA certificate(s).
> Resolving '<server-name-redacted>'...
> Connecting to '<ip-address-redacted>:995'...
> - Certificate type: X.509
> - Got a certificate list of 2 certificates.
> <redacted>
> - Status: The certificate is trusted.
> - Description: (TLS1.2)-(RSA)-(AES-256-CBC)-(SHA256)
> - Session ID: <redacted>
> - Version: TLS1.2
> - Key Exchange: RSA
> - Cipher: AES-256-CBC
> - MAC: SHA256
> - Compression: NULL
> - Handshake was completed
> - Simple Client Mode:
> +OK POP3 Ready <redacted>
> 
> When we tried to run "gnutls-cli" from within the Claws Mail Program
> Files folder, we were presented with an "Entry Point Not Found" error
> dialog stating: 
> 
> "The procedure entry point gnutls_pkcs11_set_token_function could not
> be located in the dynamic link library libgnutls-28.dll.'
> 
> Don't know if the version (newest) of gnutls-cli is relevant to the
> presentation of the error dialog.
> 
> Did notice that several of the extracted (downloaded) .dll files have
> the same names as those in the program folder, but are of
> significantly different sizes.
> 
> Re-ran the "claws-mail-3.10.1-pkg56" installer, and none of those .dll
> files changed, including libgnutls-28.dll. The installation still
> fails the POP3S SSL handshake.
> 
> Any additional thoughts would be appreciated.

I would perform a search of the entire local disk for libgnutls*.dll
and provide the locations, names and sizes of the files. We can then
offer some advice, it may be possible to copy one of the dlls you have
installed with GnuTLS for Windows into the Claws program file directory
and have it work for you.

The person who probably knows what is happening is Colin, I don't know
if he is about at the moment.

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From g.s.j.hywel at swansea.ac.uk  Tue Sep  2 12:17:54 2014
From: g.s.j.hywel at swansea.ac.uk (Geraint Hywel)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 11:17:54 +0100
Subject: [Users] Setting Reply-To in Templates
Message-ID: <20140902111754.63fd176c@acu-gsjhywel-fc>

Hi Claws Users.

I would like to be able to set the Reply-to: header in a Template.

However, whilst I can see entries for To:, From:, CC: anc BCC: in the
Template Configuration dialog, there appears to be nowhere I can set the
Reply-to: header.

Is it possible?

Regards

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Sep  2 17:08:48 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:08:48 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3263] New: Wrong timezone while using date_fmt function
Message-ID: <bug-3263-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3263

            Bug ID: 3263
           Summary: Wrong timezone while using date_fmt function
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: GIT
          Hardware: PC
               URL: http://bugs.debian.org/760283
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: minor
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Compose Window
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mones at users.sourceforge.net

Original reporter on Debian BTS explains it well, so just copying here:

----
the %date_fmt function, available to customize your reply [1], uses your        
locale timezone instead of the sender's. An example:                            
Let's say you've received a mail dated on Mon, 1 Sep 2014 14:24:56              
-0400 and that your locale timezone is +0200. Then the %date_fmt                
(or %D) function will return Mon, 1 Sep 2014 14:24:56 +0200.                    

This bug is also present in version 3.10.1git150-1 from hydra.debian.net        

[1] Configuration -> Preferences -> Compose -> Templates -> Reply
----

Thanks in advance,

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Sep  2 17:19:31 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:19:31 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2733] spell checker could not change dictionary
In-Reply-To: <bug-2733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2733-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2733-595-XuO9yLnILz@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2733

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Component|Other                       |UI/Compose Window/Spell
                   |                            |Checker

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Sep  2 17:36:58 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:36:58 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2284] Claws doesn't check local mboxs if the network
	is down
In-Reply-To: <bug-2284-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2284-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2284-595-DUFp1k7l77@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2284

--- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
Somehow related: it also happens if you're working off-line and try to get mail
from a local account only. Claws Mail asks for going on-line, though is really
not necessary.

The check for network should probably be buried more deeper where the protocol
is already known to need network or not, not at the higher level
(inc.c:inc_acount()).

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From info at endeavor-networks.com  Tue Sep  2 18:52:27 2014
From: info at endeavor-networks.com (ENI)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 12:52:27 -0400
Subject: [Users] POP3S - SSL Handshake Failures.
Message-ID: <20140902125227.0000235e.info@endeavor-networks.com>

>>>>> Background
>>>>> 
>>>>> We've been using Claws Mail (Win32) to reliably send/receive mail
>>>>> for ~2 years. Two weeks ago (8/17), the server-side certificate
>>>>> used for POP3S and SMTP (STARTTLS) expired. We believe Claws Mail
>>>>> (CM) successfully stored the new certificate for both functions,
>>>>> as we were able to send/receive securely thereafter. Although, we
>>>>> did see the signature status change from “Correct”, to “No
>>>>> certificate issuer found”. The POP3S server certificate has since
>>>>> been deleted from the “Saved SSL Certificates” list during our
>>>>> investigation of the following issue. We're not sure if it is
>>>>> relevant, but thought it best to disclose recent events.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Issue - SSL Handshake Failures
>>>>> 
>>>>> On the evening of 8/23, we were able to retrieve mail via POP3s.
>>>>> On the morning of 8/24 we were not. We are experiencing SSL
>>>>> handshake failures.
>>>>> 
>>>>> A Wireshark capture shows the server responding to the SSLv3
>>>>> Client Hello, with a Fatal SSLv3 Record Layer Alert (Handshake
>>>>> Failure).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Claws Mail 3.10.1 (Win32), indicates the following in it's Network
>>>>> Log:
>>>>> 
>>>>> * Account '<redacted>': Connecting to POP3 server:
>>>>>   <server-name-redacted>:995... 
>>>>> *** SSL handshake failed
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thunderbird 31.0 succeeds with a TLSv1.2 handshake, whereas CM
>>>>> fails with a SSLv3 handshake (per Wireshark capture). The cypher
>>>>> suite negotiated (TLS RSA with AES 256 CBC SHA) in the Thunderbird
>>>>> session, is supported by CM.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thunderbird: POP3 Mail Server Settings | Security Settings |
>>>>> Connection Security | SSL/TLS (selected)
>>>>> 
>>>>> CM: SSL | POP3 | Use SSL for POP3 connection (selected)
>>>>> CM: SSL | Send (SMTP) | Use STARTTLS command to start SSL session
>>>>> (selected)
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have three Win XP3 systems configured with CM. There have been
>>>>> no recent config changes to CM. Each send via SMTP (STARTTLS)
>>>>> successfully, but each are experiencing POP3S SSL handshake
>>>>> failures.
>>>>> 
>>>>> During our diagnostic efforts, the POP3S server certificate was
>>>>> deleted in CM, with the expectation that it would be presented
>>>>> again during the next session setup, but the SSL handshake fails
>>>>> before that can occur.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We've submitted a ticket to our service provider, and are trying
>>>>> to determine whether there have been any changes on the server
>>>>> side that would cause the recent SSLv3 handshake failures. We are
>>>>> inclined to think that they may point to CM, as Thunderbird
>>>>> succeeds (via TLSv1.2).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any thoughts on how we can diagnose the situation further on our
>>>>> end?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> ENI
>>>>>     
>>>> 
>>>> Use the hidden account prefs to specify manually the priority
>>>> string used. Quit Claws, open ~/.claws-mail/accountrc, find your
>>>> account block, set 'gnutls_set_priority' to 1, and put your
>>>> priority string in 'gnutls_priority'.
>>>> 
>>>> You could use the gnuTLS command line program to investigate this
>>>> first.
>>>> 
>>>> with regards
>>>> 
>>>> Paul
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The last commit in Claws Mail GIT repository might resolve your
>>>> issue.
>>>> 
>>>> regards
>>>> 
>>>> Paul
>>>>     
>>> 
>>> Paul:
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your interest in our issue, and the suggestions
>>> offered.
>>> 
>>> Initially, we were focused on trying to restore prior functionality,
>>> characterized by SSLv3 Record Layer version SSL 3.0, and Handshake
>>> Protocol version SSL 3.0, as observed with Wireshark.
>>> 
>>> After doing some reading we decided that it might be preferable to
>>> use the 'gnutls_priority' string you identified, to achieve the
>>> same setup that Thunderbird uses successfully, characterized by
>>> TLSv1.2 Record Layer version TLS 1.0, and Handshake Protocol
>>> version TLS 1.2. 
>>> 
>>> We located the appropriate account block within the "accountrc" file
>>> located at:
>>> 
>>> C:\Documents and Settings\user-name-redacted\Application
>>> Data\Claws-mail\accountrc
>>> 
>>> ... and tried a couple of different "gnutls_priority" strings. On
>>> each occasion, we quit Claws Mail, edited and saved the file, then
>>> relaunched CM.
>>> 
>>> Initial Configuration
>>> gnutls_set_priority=0
>>> gnutls_priority=
>>> 
>>> Trial # 1
>>> gnutls_set_priority=1
>>> gnutls_priority=%LATEST_RECORD_VERSION
>>> 
>>> Expectation: a transition from an SSLv3 Record Layer, to a TLSv1.2
>>> Record Layer.
>>> Observation: CM still used the SSLv3 Record Layer, and failed the
>>> handshake.
>>> 
>>> Trial # 2
>>> gnutls_set_priority=1
>>> gnutls_priority=NORMAL:%LATEST_RECORD_VERSION
>>> 
>>> Expectation: Same as above.
>>> Observation: CM still used the SSLv3 Record Layer, and failed the
>>> handshake.
>>> Note: We tried a different syntax, by including "NORMAL:".
>>> 
>>> Trial # 3
>>> gnutls_set_priority=1
>>> gnutls_priority=NORMAL:-VERS-SSL3.0
>>> 
>>> Expectation: a transition to TLS1.0, TLS1.1, or TLS1.2.
>>> Observation: CM still used the SSLv3 Record Layer, and failed the
>>> handshake.
>>> 
>>> Trial #4
>>> gnutls_set_priority=1
>>> gnutls_priority=SECURE256
>>> 
>>> Expectation: a reduction in the number of cipher suites offered.
>>> Observation: The same 28 suites were offered, as with NORMAL.
>>> Note: This test was just to see if we could bring about any change
>>> in behavior with a priority string.
>>> 
>>> It appears that our priority strings are not being read or utilized.
>>> Is there something about our syntax that is incorrect?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The GnuTLS Manual, which does not indicate a software revision
>>> number, made the following statements in Section 5.10 Priority
>>> strings:
>>> 
>>> "Priority strings are not constant between gnutls versions".
>>> 
>>> "Unless the initial keyword is "NONE" the defaults (in preference
>>> order) are for TLS protocols TLS1.2, TLS1.1, TLS1.0, SSL3.0 ... ".
>>> 
>>> We are not sure why SSL3.0 is being used, when these other protocols
>>> are supposed to have preference.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We searched for the "gnutls-cli" command line program, but it was
>>> not found on our Win32 system. Perhaps this utility is not included
>>> in the CM (Win32) installer.
>>> 
>>> Any additional thoughts would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> ENI
>>>  
>> 
>> To all:
>> 
>> We downloaded the latest "GnuTLS for Windows" to get a copy of
>> "gnutls-cli".
>> 
>> When we ran "gnutls-cli" from within the extracted group of
>> downloaded files, we were able to connect to the server via POP3S:
>> 
>> gnutls-cli -p 995 <server-name-redacted>
>> 
>> Processed 135 CA certificate(s).
>> Resolving '<server-name-redacted>'...
>> Connecting to '<ip-address-redacted>:995'...
>> - Certificate type: X.509
>> - Got a certificate list of 2 certificates.
>> <redacted>
>> - Status: The certificate is trusted.
>> - Description: (TLS1.2)-(RSA)-(AES-256-CBC)-(SHA256)
>> - Session ID: <redacted>
>> - Version: TLS1.2
>> - Key Exchange: RSA
>> - Cipher: AES-256-CBC
>> - MAC: SHA256
>> - Compression: NULL
>> - Handshake was completed
>> - Simple Client Mode:
>> +OK POP3 Ready <redacted>
>> 
>> When we tried to run "gnutls-cli" from within the Claws Mail Program
>> Files folder, we were presented with an "Entry Point Not Found" error
>> dialog stating: 
>> 
>> "The procedure entry point gnutls_pkcs11_set_token_function could not
>> be located in the dynamic link library libgnutls-28.dll.'
>> 
>> Don't know if the version (newest) of gnutls-cli is relevant to the
>> presentation of the error dialog.
>> 
>> Did notice that several of the extracted (downloaded) .dll files have
>> the same names as those in the program folder, but are of
>> significantly different sizes.
>> 
>> Re-ran the "claws-mail-3.10.1-pkg56" installer, and none of
>> those .dll files changed, including libgnutls-28.dll. The
>> installation still fails the POP3S SSL handshake.
>> 
>> Any additional thoughts would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> ENI
>> 
> 
> I would perform a search of the entire local disk for libgnutls*.dll
> and provide the locations, names and sizes of the files. We can then
> offer some advice, it may be possible to copy one of the dlls you have
> installed with GnuTLS for Windows into the Claws program file
> directory and have it work for you.
> 
> The person who probably knows what is happening is Colin, I don't know
> if he is about at the moment.
> 
> Brian Morrison
> 

Brian: Thanks for your interest.

.DLL and .DEF file comparison:
	
Size in bytes, claws-mail-3.10.1-pkg56 vs. gnutls-3.2.16-w32

libgmp-10.dll          438,784 vs. 701,869
libgnutls-28.dll          1,091,072 vs. 1,504,239
libgnutls-xssl-0.dll          98,816  vs. 218,788
libhogweed-2-5.dll          162,304 vs. 4,329,793   
libnettle-4-7.dll          204,288 vs. 3,365,637

libgcc_s_sjlj-1.dll          not present vs. 489,773
libgnutls-28.def           not present vs. 34,473
libgnutls-xssl-28.def          not present vs. 259
libgnutlsxx-28.dll          not present vs. 266,807
libp11-kit-0.dll          not present vs. 875,585
libwinpthread-1.dll          not present vs. 251,290

The difference in file sizes may be expected.

The .DLLs installed by CM, are located at: 
E:\Program Files\GNU\Claws Mail\

Replacing the .DLLs with newer versions would result in a non-standard
installation, so we had chosen not to do so. However, you expressed
interest in such action, so we gave it a try.

There are dependencies. When we replaced libgnutls-28.dll, and launched
CM, we encountered an "Unable To Locate Component" dialog, which stated
"This application has failed to start because libp11-kit-0.dll was not
found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem."

We copied all of the newer files in the list above to the program
directory, overwriting those with common names. CM did launch, but it
still used an SSLv3 Record Layer; SSLv3.0 Handshake; SSLv3.0 Client
Hello, and still failed the handshake.

We have since restored the older .DLLs, and deleted the other files
that were not common to the two packages.


REVIEW for all interested:

Multiple, previously working CM installations, using POP3S (port 995),
began failing. The server responds to the Client Hello, with a Fatal
SSLv3 Record Layer Alert (Handshake Failure).

Note: The CM installations can successfully negotiate SMTP (STARTTLS)
with the same server, demonstrating some crypto functionality. 

Despite Gnutls's protocol preference order (TLS1.2, TLS1.1, TLS1.0,
SSL3.0 ... ", CM uses SSLv3 Record Layer; SSL 3.0 Handshake, and SSL
3.0 Client Hello when trying to connect with POP3S.

Thunderbird successfully uses TLSv1.2 Record Layer; TLS 1.0 Handshake,
and TLS 1.2 Client Hello.

The "gnutls-cli" utility, with .DLLs extracted from
gnutls-3.2.16-w32.zip successfully uses TLSv1.2 Record Layer; SSL 3.0
Handshake, and TLS 1.2 Client Hello.

An effort was made to utilize the "gnutls_priority" string
(gnutls_set_priority=, gnutls_priority=) within the account block of
"accountrc", located at:

C:\Documents and Settings\user-name-redacted\Application
Data\Claws-mail\

... to alter CM's behavior, but we observed no change.

Re-running the "claws-mail-3.10.1-pkg56" installer did not resolve the
issue.

Temporarily replacing the .DLLs (and associated .DEF files) located at:
E:\Program Files\GNU\Claws Mail\ with those from gnutls-3.2.16-w32.zip
did not result in a successful POP3S handshake. The original files have
since been restored.

Open to any thoughts.

Best Regards,
ENI


From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Tue Sep  2 19:33:01 2014
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 18:33:01 +0100
Subject: [Users] POP3S - SSL Handshake Failures.
In-Reply-To: <20140902125227.0000235e.info@endeavor-networks.com>
References: <20140902125227.0000235e.info@endeavor-networks.com>
Message-ID: <20140902183301.0000708f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 12:52:27 -0400
ENI wrote:

> Open to any thoughts.

I think you are going to need to wait for Colin to respond, it may be
that a later gnutls package is needed to be used during the build and
package creation process.

I don't have any other suggestions, but it certainly looks like there
are functions in gnutls which don't exist in the dlls that were built
for Claws, hence the failure message when it tries to call them during
tls operations.

-- 

Brian Morrison


From colin at colino.net  Tue Sep  2 22:11:35 2014
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 22:11:35 +0200
Subject: [Users] POP3S - SSL Handshake Failures.
In-Reply-To: <20140902183301.0000708f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <20140902125227.0000235e.info@endeavor-networks.com>
 <20140902183301.0000708f@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20140902221135.4bcb4ace@mike>

On 02 September 2014 at 18h33, Brian Morrison wrote:

Hi, 

Just read that incidentally:

> > Open to any thoughts.  
> 
> I think you are going to need to wait for Colin to respond

I'm sorry, I'm really not reading much of what's going on the list these
days. Over the course of the summer, my wife left me and I'm still
struggling to understand what happened, and I took vacations with
family and my house got robbed during my leave.
But mostly, my wife left and that's hard to come to terms with that;
so, don't count on me in the near future...

-- 
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From info at endeavor-networks.com  Tue Sep  2 23:04:00 2014
From: info at endeavor-networks.com (ENI)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 17:04:00 -0400
Subject: [Users] POP3S - SSL Handshake Failures.
Message-ID: <20140902170400.000026a0.info@endeavor-networks.com>

> 
> don't count on me in the near future...
> 
> Colin
>

Colin:

Understood.

Sorry to hear of the personal difficulties.

Best Regards,
ENI


From info at endeavor-networks.com  Tue Sep  2 23:34:58 2014
From: info at endeavor-networks.com (ENI)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 17:34:58 -0400
Subject: [Users] POP3S - SSL Handshake Failures.
Message-ID: <20140902173458.00003f03.info@endeavor-networks.com>

To all:

Is there anyone connecting to a POP3S server with the following
prerequisites:

- claws-mail-3.10.1-pkg56 (Win32).

- "Use SSL for POP3 Connection" enabled in preferences.

- default gnutls_priority string setup, details in earlier post.
  (gnutls_set_priority=0, gnutls_priority=)

- Wireshark (or equivalent) installed.

... that would be willing to determine whether their connection
utilizes TLS or SSL?

Specifically, we would like to determine whether the following are
observed:

SSLv3 Record Layer
SSLv3.0 Handshake
SSLv3.0 Client Hello

... or something different than that.

We recognize that the connection setup is server dependent, but we're
trying to confirm whether others with a similar setup are achieving:

TLS1.x Record Layer; Handshake; Client Hello, or any combination
thereof.

Regards,
ENI


From info at endeavor-networks.com  Wed Sep  3 01:39:55 2014
From: info at endeavor-networks.com (ENI)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 19:39:55 -0400
Subject: [Users] POP3S - SSL Handshake Failures.
Message-ID: <20140902193955.00001507.info@endeavor-networks.com>

> 
> I don't run Windows; but maybe the attached wireshark summary might
> be of some use...  it was a dry poll (no new mail).
>

Pierre:

Thank you for the effort.

Unfortunately, the Wireshark "summary" doesn't contain the level of
detail necessary. While it does refer to the higher layer protocol as
SSLv3, it doesn't back that up with version information for the Record
Layer, Handshake, or client Client Hello.

In contrast, when we examine the protocol decode of our successful
connection with the "gnutls-cli" utility, using the Wireshark GUI, we
also see the higher layer protocol referred to as SSL. However, that
"SSL" decode is really comprised of a TLSv1.2  Record Layer, a SSL 3.0
Handshake, and a TLS 1.2 Client Hello.

It's easy to draw the wrong conclusion when the decode provides
insufficient detail.

We're going to do a fresh claws-mail-3.10.1-pkg56 (Win32) install on a
system which has not previously known CM, and determine the level of
functionality it provides.

Based on those results, we'll choose a course of action.

Best Regards,
ENI




From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Sep  3 07:03:13 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 05:03:13 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2284] Claws doesn't check local mboxs if the network
	is down
In-Reply-To: <bug-2284-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2284-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2284-595-7ffOhntk2L@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2284

--- Comment #2 from Abhay S. Kushwaha <clawsmail at kushwaha.com> ---
I would disagree somewhat please.

"Online" and "Offline" should be application properties and would indicate
whether Claws-Mail will retrieve mail or not -- whether locally or over
network.

Network Manager should ideally disallow over-network mail retrieval if network
is down but in online mode, should still allow local mailbox updates/checking.

Offline should prohibit mail retrieval completely.

I understand it's convenient to link network with online/offline since that's
the 99 percentile use case, however, since many people check mail without going
over network and because Claws-Mail allows that paradigm, there should be a
separation of online/offline and auto network disablement through Network
Manager.

Thus, asking if Claws-Mail should go "Online" to retrieve local mail when
Claws-Mail is "Offline" is perfectly fine in my book since that effectively
takes care of those instances where people have not configured Network Manager
to tell Claws-Mail when to go "Offline" as well.

My 2p. :D

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From info at endeavor-networks.com  Wed Sep  3 08:11:28 2014
From: info at endeavor-networks.com (ENI)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 02:11:28 -0400
Subject: [Users] POP3S - SSL Handshake Failures.
Message-ID: <20140903021128.000017be.info@endeavor-networks.com>

>>> 
>>> REVIEW for all interested:
>>> 
>>> Multiple, previously working CM installations, using POP3S (port
>>> 995), began failing. The server responds to the Client Hello, with
>>> a Fatal SSLv3 Record Layer Alert (Handshake Failure).
>>> 
>>> Note: The CM installations can successfully negotiate SMTP
>>> (STARTTLS) with the same server, demonstrating some crypto
>>> functionality. 
>>> 
>>> Despite Gnutls's protocol preference order (TLS1.2, TLS1.1, TLS1.0,
>>> SSL3.0 ... ", CM uses SSLv3 Record Layer; SSL 3.0 Handshake, and SSL
>>> 3.0 Client Hello when trying to connect with POP3S.
>>> 
>>> Thunderbird successfully uses TLSv1.2 Record Layer; TLS 1.0
>>> Handshake, and TLS 1.2 Client Hello.
>>> 
>>> The "gnutls-cli" utility, with .DLLs extracted from
>>> gnutls-3.2.16-w32.zip successfully uses TLSv1.2 Record Layer; SSL
>>> 3.0 Handshake, and TLS 1.2 Client Hello.
>>> 
>>> An effort was made to utilize the "gnutls_priority" string
>>> (gnutls_set_priority=, gnutls_priority=) within the account block of
>>> "accountrc", located at:
>>> 
>>> C:\Documents and Settings\user-name-redacted\Application
>>> Data\Claws-mail\
>>> 
>>> ... to alter CM's behavior, but we observed no change.
>>> 
>>> Re-running the "claws-mail-3.10.1-pkg56" installer did not resolve
>>> the issue.
>>> 
>>> Temporarily replacing the .DLLs (and associated .DEF files) located
>>> at: E:\Program Files\GNU\Claws Mail\ with those from
>>> gnutls-3.2.16-w32.zip did not result in a successful POP3S
>>> handshake. The original files have since been restored.
>>> 
>> 
>> Is there anyone connecting to a POP3S server with the following
>> prerequisites:
>> 
>> - claws-mail-3.10.1-pkg56 (Win32).
>> 
>> - "Use SSL for POP3 Connection" enabled in preferences.
>> 
>> - default gnutls_priority string setup, details in earlier post.
>>   (gnutls_set_priority=0, gnutls_priority=)
>> 
>> - Wireshark (or equivalent) installed.
>> 
>> ... that would be willing to determine whether their connection
>> utilizes TLS or SSL?
>> 
>> Specifically, we would like to determine whether the following are
>> observed:
>> 
>> SSLv3 Record Layer
>> SSLv3.0 Handshake
>> SSLv3.0 Client Hello
>> 
>> ... or something different than that.
>> 
>> We recognize that the connection setup is server dependent, but we're
>> trying to confirm whether others with a similar setup are achieving:
>> 
>> TLS1.x Record Layer; Handshake; Client Hello, or any combination
>> thereof.
>> 
> 
> We're going to do a fresh claws-mail-3.10.1-pkg56 (Win32) install on a
> system which has not previously known CM, and determine the level of
> functionality it provides.
> 

We have completed two Win32 installations (claws-mail-3.10.1-pkg56,
claws-mail-3.9.3git84-pkg48) to different install directories on the E:
drive of an XP system that has not previously known CM.

Both installations failed the POP3S SSL handshake in the same manner as
described throughout this thread.

We uninstalled both packages from the E: drive, and reinstalled one to
the default install directory on the C: drive, and retested. That
installation also failed the POP3S SSL handshake.

Still hoping to confirm Win32 behavior per the information provided, two
quote levels above.

Best Regards,
ENI


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Sep  3 09:09:58 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 07:09:58 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2284] Claws doesn't check local mboxs if the network
	is down
In-Reply-To: <bug-2284-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2284-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2284-595-ZghCtiwuVT@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2284

--- Comment #3 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
(In reply to comment #2)
> I would disagree somewhat please.
> 
> "Online" and "Offline" should be application properties and would indicate
> whether Claws-Mail will retrieve mail or not -- whether locally or over
> network.

Online and Offline are network related, as the dialog clearly states:

“Claws Mail needs network access in order to get mails”

That's simply not true for local mailboxes.

> Network Manager should ideally disallow over-network mail retrieval if
> network is down but in online mode, should still allow local mailbox
> updates/checking.

That's unrelated and NM is not a required piece of software to run Claws Mail.

> Offline should prohibit mail retrieval completely.

Should be named differently for doing that.

> I understand it's convenient to link network with online/offline since
> that's the 99 percentile use case, however, since many people check mail
> without going over network and because Claws-Mail allows that paradigm,
> there should be a separation of online/offline and auto network disablement
> through Network Manager.

You want an option to allow that, and that's fine, but don't try to change
the meaning of Online/Offline to match your option. As said before they're
network related not retrieval related, and saying network access is needed to
retrieve mail from a local mailbox is false. That's a bug to be fixed.

> Thus, asking if Claws-Mail should go "Online" to retrieve local mail when
> Claws-Mail is "Offline" is perfectly fine in my book since that effectively
> takes care of those instances where people have not configured Network
> Manager to tell Claws-Mail when to go "Offline" as well.

That current bug is convenient to you doesn't make a feature of it ;)

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Sep  3 12:51:11 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:51:11 +0100
Subject: [Users] Setting Reply-To in Templates
In-Reply-To: <20140902111754.63fd176c@acu-gsjhywel-fc>
References: <20140902111754.63fd176c@acu-gsjhywel-fc>
Message-ID: <20140903115111.315e30bc@thewildbeast>

On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 11:17:54 +0100
Geraint Hywel <g.s.j.hywel at swansea.ac.uk> wrote: 

> Is it possible?

It will be possible in the next release!

with regards

Paul


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Sep  3 13:37:36 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 11:37:36 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2156] Crashed when deleting message on Gmail
In-Reply-To: <bug-2156-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2156-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2156-595-E1bdybGNxT@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2156

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |WORKSFORME

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Sep  3 13:44:49 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 11:44:49 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2728] erroneous switching from one to three column view
In-Reply-To: <bug-2728-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2728-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2728-595-QEbr87YfNH@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2728

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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From g.s.j.hywel at swansea.ac.uk  Wed Sep  3 14:19:39 2014
From: g.s.j.hywel at swansea.ac.uk (Geraint Hywel)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 13:19:39 +0100
Subject: [Users] Setting Reply-To in Templates
In-Reply-To: <20140903115111.315e30bc@thewildbeast>
References: <20140902111754.63fd176c@acu-gsjhywel-fc>
 <20140903115111.315e30bc@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20140903131939.190c5771@acu-gsjhywel-fc>

On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:51:11 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> It will be possible in the next release!

That's great news - thanks!

-- 
Geraint Hywel
http://about.me/geraint.hywel


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Sep  3 16:20:49 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:20:49 +0100
Subject: [Users] Setting Reply-To in Templates
In-Reply-To: <20140903131939.190c5771@acu-gsjhywel-fc>
References: <20140902111754.63fd176c@acu-gsjhywel-fc>
 <20140903115111.315e30bc@thewildbeast>
 <20140903131939.190c5771@acu-gsjhywel-fc>
Message-ID: <20140903152049.0ad9637d@thewildbeast>

On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 13:19:39 +0100
Geraint Hywel <g.s.j.hywel at swansea.ac.uk> wrote: 

> On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:51:11 +0100
> Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > It will be possible in the next release!  
> 
> That's great news - thanks!

You have to be subscribed to post here. Please, don't email me /and/
the list. Just the list is fine. Thanks.

with regards

Paul


-- 
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From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com  Wed Sep  3 16:35:43 2014
From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 20:05:43 +0530
Subject: [Users] Setting Reply-To in Templates
In-Reply-To: <20140903115111.315e30bc@thewildbeast>
References: <20140902111754.63fd176c@acu-gsjhywel-fc>
 <20140903115111.315e30bc@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20140903200543.00001552@netsolutionsindia.com>

On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:51:11 +0100, Paul wrote:

> It will be possible in the next release!

Paul, while you're at it, possible to add Account Selection to a
template as well? Would be great if it was possible to force an
account through a template as well. :)

Thanks,
Abhay



From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Wed Sep  3 17:12:04 2014
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 16:12:04 +0100
Subject: [Users] Setting Reply-To in Templates
In-Reply-To: <20140903200543.00001552@netsolutionsindia.com>
References: <20140902111754.63fd176c@acu-gsjhywel-fc>
 <20140903115111.315e30bc@thewildbeast>
 <20140903200543.00001552@netsolutionsindia.com>
Message-ID: <20140903161204.0000305a@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 20:05:43 +0530
Abhay S. Kushwaha wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:51:11 +0100, Paul wrote:
> 
> > It will be possible in the next release!
> 
> Paul, while you're at it, possible to add Account Selection to a
> template as well? Would be great if it was possible to force an
> account through a template as well. :)

Are the %account_ variables not enough?

-- 

Brian Morrison


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Wed Sep  3 19:10:39 2014
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 18:10:39 +0100
Subject: [Users] Setting Reply-To in Templates
In-Reply-To: <20140903161204.0000305a@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <20140902111754.63fd176c@acu-gsjhywel-fc>
 <20140903115111.315e30bc@thewildbeast>
 <20140903200543.00001552@netsolutionsindia.com>
 <20140903161204.0000305a@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20140903181039.760c5352@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 16:12:04 +0100
Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

Hello Brian,

>Are the %account_ variables not enough?

Unless I'm much mistaken, those variables simply pull the requested
details from the account currently being used.  AIUI, Abhay wishes to
specify a particular account.  So, for example, the template would
_always_ use account3, even if I'm currently using account7.

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        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Sep  4 04:45:47 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 02:45:47 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3264] New: Claws Mail silently fails to encrypt after
 prompting for passphrase
Message-ID: <bug-3264-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3264

            Bug ID: 3264
           Summary: Claws Mail silently fails to encrypt after prompting
                    for passphrase
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: major
          Priority: P3
         Component: Plugins/Privacy
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: track-clawsbugs at brainonfire.net

0. Claws 3.8.1 with PGP/Core, PGP/inline, PGP/MIME, and S/MIME plugins of same
version
1. Create message, select PGP inline, Sign, Encrypt
2. Send/Send Later
3. Prompted for passphrase
4. Message sends (or goes to outbox)
5. Message has been signed, but not encrypted

I have marked this as a major bug because this is a silent failure; perhaps it
should even be marked critical. I'm just glad I wasn't sending anything
important when this happened to me!

Environment notes:

- I have used this feature in the past. However, that may have been before I
switched from Ubuntu to Debian, so some config settings may have been lost, or
program versions changed.
- I use Debian Stable, hence the slightly older version. I am willing to try
other versions of Claws for bug-diagnostic purposes *if* they will not make
non-backwards-compatible changes to my mail, servers, or settings.
- The only relevant console output is "WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't
connect to: /home/timmc/.cache/keyring-ABCDEF/pkcs11: No such file or
directory", but I'll note that signing does still work.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Sep  4 07:21:30 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 05:21:30 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3264] Claws Mail silently fails to encrypt after
 prompting for passphrase
In-Reply-To: <bug-3264-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3264-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3264-595-umkNSTJAZV@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3264

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
I'm pretty much certain that this is your mistake, and that you must have
forgotten to check the 'encrypt' checkbox.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Sep  4 07:30:58 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 05:30:58 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3264] Claws Mail silently fails to encrypt after
 prompting for passphrase
In-Reply-To: <bug-3264-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3264-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3264-595-BpttzsJvnY@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3264

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID
           Severity|major                       |normal

--- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
If you can verify this then re-open it.

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From info at endeavor-networks.com  Thu Sep  4 07:32:29 2014
From: info at endeavor-networks.com (ENI)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 01:32:29 -0400
Subject: [Users] POP3S - SSL Handshake Failures.
Message-ID: <20140904013229.000012a1.info@endeavor-networks.com>

We downloaded gnutls-3.2.16-w32, and utilized a few utilities within
(certtool, gnutls-server, gnutls-cli) to uncover more information.

We used certtool to generate a self-signed CA cert, and a server cert
on a system with CM installed. The certtool "--template=file" option
did not work. 

We connected to gnutls-server, with gnutls-cli, using a loopback IP
(hostname=localhost, cn=localhost).

Server Setup:
gnutls-serv -p 995 --x509cafile x509-ca.pem --x509keyfile
x509-localhost-key.pem --x509certfile x509-localhost.pem

Client Setup:
gnutls-cli -p 995 localhost --x509cafile x509-ca.pem  

A connection from "gnutls-cli" resulted in the following server console
output:

* Successful handshake from IPv4 127.0.0.1 port 2722
- Description: (TLS1.2)-(RSA)-(AES-128-GCM)
- Session ID: C2:33:DF:B1:DE:54:31:<redacted>
C9:33:02:AA:EE:FB:63:A6:84:D5
- Given server name[1]: localhost
No certificates found!
- Version: TLS1.2
- Key Exchange: RSA
- Cipher: AES-128-GCM
- MAC: AEAD
- Compression: NULL
- Channel binding 'tls-unique': f16229<redacted>
- Peer did not send any certificate.


We configured claws-mail-3.10.1-pkg56 (Win32) to connect via the
loopback. A connection from CM resulted in the following server console
output:

* Successful handshake from IPv4 127.0.0.1 port 2723
- Description: (SSL3.0)-(RSA)-(AES-128-CBC)-(SHA1)
- Session ID: B7:9D:B2:37:C9:DA:06:<redacted>
No certificates found!
- Version: SSL3.0
- Key Exchange: RSA
- Cipher: AES-128-CBC
- MAC: SHA1
- Compression: NULL
- Channel binding 'tls-unique': 50d870<redacted>
- Peer did not send any certificate.

The connection established was SSL3.0 rather than TLS1.x. We used the
debug option with gnutls-server. There was no evidence of CM (Win32)
attempting to use TLS.

The GnuTLS .DLLs within "claws-mail-3.10.1-pkg56" are substantially
smaller than those within the oldest available (gnutls-3.2.9-w32)
"GnuTLS for Windows" package from gnutls.org.

It appears that the CM (Win32) installation does not support TLS when
the "Use SSL for POP3 Connection" option is enabled for POP3.

We only see CM (Win32) attempting to connect to our hosted server with
SSL, and failing to do so.

We've concluded that our service provider has recently dropped support
for SSL on the server, even though they have not yet acknowledged so.

Regards,
ENI


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Sep  4 07:41:09 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 06:41:09 +0100
Subject: [Users] POP3S - SSL Handshake Failures.
In-Reply-To: <20140904013229.000012a1.info@endeavor-networks.com>
References: <20140904013229.000012a1.info@endeavor-networks.com>
Message-ID: <20140904064109.69c05c2a@thewildbeast>

On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 01:32:29 -0400
ENI <info at endeavor-networks.com> wrote: 

> It appears that the CM (Win32) installation does not support TLS
> when the "Use SSL for POP3 Connection" option is enabled for POP3.

I refer you back to what I said:

> Use the hidden account prefs to specify manually the priority string
> used. Quit Claws, open ~/.claws-mail/accountrc, find your account
> block, set 'gnutls_set_priority' to 1, and put your priority string
> in 'gnutls_priority'.

and

> The last commit in Claws Mail GIT repository might resolve your
> issue.

with regards

Paul


-- 
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From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com  Thu Sep  4 08:37:56 2014
From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 12:07:56 +0530
Subject: [Users] Setting Reply-To in Templates
In-Reply-To: <20140903181039.760c5352@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20140902111754.63fd176c@acu-gsjhywel-fc>
 <20140903115111.315e30bc@thewildbeast>
 <20140903200543.00001552@netsolutionsindia.com>
 <20140903161204.0000305a@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
 <20140903181039.760c5352@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20140904120756.00006b67@netsolutionsindia.com>

On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 18:10:39 +0100, Brad wrote:

> >Are the %account_ variables not enough?  
> 
> Unless I'm much mistaken, those variables simply pull the requested
> details from the account currently being used.  AIUI, Abhay wishes
> to specify a particular account.  So, for example, the template
> would _always_ use account3, even if I'm currently using account7.

That's right. That's what I requested. :)

[a]



From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Sep  4 13:01:42 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 11:01:42 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3264] Claws Mail silently fails to encrypt after
 prompting for passphrase
In-Reply-To: <bug-3264-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3264-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3264-595-AcSyuoTBlN@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3264

Tim McCormack <track-clawsbugs at brainonfire.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
         Resolution|INVALID                     |---

--- Comment #3 from Tim McCormack <track-clawsbugs at brainonfire.net> ---
Verified multiple times under different conditions:

* Replying to encrypted email vs. sending a fresh message (which explicitly
requires checking that box)
* Using Send vs. Send Later
* PGP/Inline vs. PGP/MIME
* Sign + Encrypt vs. Encrypt
* To recipients I have one key for vs. those with multiple (incurs key
selection dialog, still does not encrypt)

It's no mistake.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Sep  4 13:16:42 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 11:16:42 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3264] Claws Mail silently fails to encrypt after
 prompting for passphrase
In-Reply-To: <bug-3264-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3264-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3264-595-malOs6Z9Ar@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3264

--- Comment #4 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
Please look at the account preferences, "Privacy" page. Do you have the option
"Save sent encrypted messages as plain text" turned on?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Sep  4 13:20:22 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 11:20:22 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3264] Claws Mail silently fails to encrypt after
 prompting for passphrase
In-Reply-To: <bug-3264-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3264-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3264-595-zQAlrtYOuA@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3264

--- Comment #5 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
Just to correct my typo, the option is actually called "Save sent encrypted
messages as clear text"

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Sep  4 13:30:17 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 11:30:17 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3264] Claws Mail silently fails to encrypt after
 prompting for passphrase
In-Reply-To: <bug-3264-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3264-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3264-595-eNrFdVmzT1@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3264

Tim McCormack <track-clawsbugs at brainonfire.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|REOPENED                    |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #6 from Tim McCormack <track-clawsbugs at brainonfire.net> ---
Oh lordy, yes I do. Thanks, and sorry for the heart attack. :-)

(The first time this happened, I noticed the cleartext Sent message and sent
another response saying "sorry, encryption is broken in my client" and the
recipient did not correct me...)

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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Thu Sep  4 12:18:47 2014
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 11:18:47 +0100
Subject: [Users] Setting Reply-To in Templates
In-Reply-To: <20140904120756.00006b67@netsolutionsindia.com>
References: <20140902111754.63fd176c@acu-gsjhywel-fc>
 <20140903115111.315e30bc@thewildbeast>
 <20140903200543.00001552@netsolutionsindia.com>
 <20140903161204.0000305a@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
 <20140903181039.760c5352@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20140904120756.00006b67@netsolutionsindia.com>
Message-ID: <20140904111847.6ba36a9a@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 12:07:56 +0530
"Abhay S. Kushwaha" <kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com> wrote:

Hello Abhay,

>On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 18:10:39 +0100, Brad wrote:
>> Unless I'm much mistaken, those variables simply pull the requested
>> details from the account currently being used.  AIUI, Abhay wishes
>> to specify a particular account.  So, for example, the template
>> would _always_ use account3, even if I'm currently using account7.
>That's right. That's what I requested. :)

Yes, it is.   I realise now my last sentence is a bit ambiguous.  It was
meant as an affirmation of your request, not as an indication of
what /actually/ happens.  I should have left it out.

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From info at endeavor-networks.com  Thu Sep  4 19:24:38 2014
From: info at endeavor-networks.com (ENI)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 13:24:38 -0400
Subject: [Users] POP3S - SSL Handshake Failures.
Message-ID: <20140904132438.00007d75.info@endeavor-networks.com>

> 
> I refer you back to what I said:
> 
>> Use the hidden account prefs to specify manually the priority string
>> used. Quit Claws, open ~/.claws-mail/accountrc, find your account
>> block, set 'gnutls_set_priority' to 1, and put your priority string
>> in 'gnutls_priority'.  
> 
> and
> 
>> The last commit in Claws Mail GIT repository might resolve your
>> issue.  
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
> 

Paul:

On 2014-08-31, we expressed our appreciation to you for the advice
offered, and provided feedback indicating that the CM (Win32)
installation appeared to ignore the "gnutls_priority" string.

You will find "redacted" content from that posting below.

With regard to the last commit in Claws Mail GIT repository. Our skill
set is different than yours. We are not familiar with compiling source
code, and do not have the time to take on that task at this time. 

We have spent  time that we could not afford to spend on the
investigation documented in our posts, in an effort to both resolve the
issue, and offer something to the forum.

Please review the "redacted" content below:

>>>  
>>>  Paul:
>>>  
>>> Thank you for your interest in our issue, and the suggestions
>>> offered. 
>>>  
>>> We located the appropriate account block within the "accountrc"
>>> file located at:
>>>  
>>> C:\Documents and Settings\user-name-redacted\Application
>>> Data\Claws-mail\accountrc
>>>  
>>> ... and tried a couple of different "gnutls_priority" strings. On
>>> each occasion, we quit Claws Mail, edited and saved the file, then
>>> relaunched CM.
>>>  
>>> Initial Configuration
>>> gnutls_set_priority=0
>>> gnutls_priority=
>>> 
>>> Trial # 1
>>> gnutls_set_priority=1
>>> gnutls_priority=%LATEST_RECORD_VERSION
>>> 
>>> Expectation: a transition from an SSLv3 Record Layer, to a TLSv1.2
>>> Record Layer.
>>> Observation: CM still used the SSLv3 Record Layer, and failed the
>>> handshake.
>>> 
>>> Trial # 2
>>> gnutls_set_priority=1
>>> gnutls_priority=NORMAL:%LATEST_RECORD_VERSION
>>> 
>>> Expectation: Same as above.
>>> Observation: CM still used the SSLv3 Record Layer, and failed the
>>> handshake.
>>> Note: We tried a different syntax, by including "NORMAL:".
>>> 
>>> Trial # 3
>>> gnutls_set_priority=1
>>> gnutls_priority=NORMAL:-VERS-SSL3.0
>>> 
>>> Expectation: a transition to TLS1.0, TLS1.1, or TLS1.2.
>>> Observation: CM still used the SSLv3 Record Layer, and failed the
>>> handshake.
>>> 
>>> Trial #4
>>> gnutls_set_priority=1
>>> gnutls_priority=SECURE256
>>> 
>>> Expectation: a reduction in the number of cipher suites offered.
>>> Observation: The same 28 suites were offered, as with NORMAL.
>>> Note: This test was just to see if we could bring about any change
>>> in behavior with a priority string.
>>> 
>>> It appears that our priority strings are not being read or
>>> utilized. Is there something about our syntax that is incorrect?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The GnuTLS Manual, which does not indicate a software revision
>>> number, made the following statements in Section 5.10 Priority
>>> strings: "Priority strings are not constant between gnutls
>>> versions".
>>> 
>>> "Unless the initial keyword is "NONE" the defaults (in preference
>>> order) are for TLS protocols TLS1.2, TLS1.1, TLS1.0, SSL3.0 ... ".
>>> 
>>> We are not sure why SSL3.0 is being used, when these other
>>> protocols are supposed to have preference.
>>> 

Thank you.

Best Regards,
ENI


From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 20:40:25 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 00:10:25 +0530
Subject: [Users] Can't download posts from Eternal-September NNTP servers
Message-ID: <20140905001025.429fef70@smtp.gmail.com>

Hi, Friends!
I'm new to Claws Mail.
The accountrc file can be sent upon
direction. Is there a problem with the
settings? I can't download even the
newsgroups list under
eternal-september (Usenet text based
newsgroup). With the same settings I can
download messages in Icedove.

The details of the eternal-september
settings are given below:

I don't believe I understand certain
settings in the accountrc file. What
are these? Could you please
explain? They are as follows:
	receive_server=
	use_apop_auth=0
	set_tunnelcmd=0
	tunnelcmd=


----------------------------
http://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=techinfo
 eternal-september.org can be accessed
via the following server names and
ports::

Client Settings
Server name: news.eternal-september.org
Port : 119 (NNTP)
Port : 563 (encrypted connection NNTPS)

Servername:
reader80.eternal-september.org Port : 80

Servername:
reader443.eternal-september.org Port :
443 (encrypted connection NNTPS)

The number of concurrent connections to
the server is limited to 4
-----------------------------
______________________________________
Freedom is impossible to perceive
comprehensively by anyone


From mir at miras.org  Thu Sep  4 20:56:52 2014
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 20:56:52 +0200
Subject: [Users] Can't download posts from Eternal-September NNTP servers
In-Reply-To: <20140905001025.429fef70@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140905001025.429fef70@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140904205652.27620020@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 00:10:25 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote:

See basic settings in attached screendump.
(Screenshot-eternal-september.org - Account preferences.png)
See SSL settings in attached screendump.
(Screenshot-eternal-september.org - Account preferences-1.png)

If you use the port settings as shown you should leave the port numbers
as picked by default.

> 
> Client Settings
> Server name: news.eternal-september.org
> Port : 119 (NNTP)
> Port : 563 (encrypted connection NNTPS)
> 
> Servername:
> reader80.eternal-september.org Port : 80
> 
> Servername:
> reader443.eternal-september.org Port :
> 443 (encrypted connection NNTPS)
> 
> The number of concurrent connections to
> the server is limited to 4
> -----------------------------
> ______________________________________
> Freedom is impossible to perceive
> comprehensively by anyone
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users


-- 
Hilsen/Regards
Michael Rasmussen

Get my public GnuPG keys:
michael <at> rasmussen <dot> cc
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E
mir <at> datanom <dot> net
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C
mir <at> miras <dot> org
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917
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From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 21:43:24 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 01:13:24 +0530
Subject: [Users] Can't download posts from Eternal-September NNTP servers
Message-ID: <20140905011324.7020b0ca@smtp.gmail.com>

On 05/09/2014, Michael Rasmussen
<mir at miras.org> wrote: 

[/snipped]
> If you use the port settings as shown
> you should leave the port numbers as
> picked by default.
> 
[/snipped]

No luck! I am using the version Claws
Mail version 3.8.1., and the
autoconfigure option in 'Basic/server
information/Protocol' isn't available
in mine. Would you like me to send the
accountrc file?
Regards
______________________________________
Freedom is impossible to perceive
comprehensively by anyone


From buzz at ksys.co.nz  Thu Sep  4 21:44:55 2014
From: buzz at ksys.co.nz (Buzz)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 07:44:55 +1200
Subject: [Users] Message Selected After Filter
Message-ID: <20140905074455.450524ce@sagitta.notyet>

Hi All,

When I delete a message in a folder the next available message is
selected. This is perfect.

When I run a filter that moves a message, the last message in the folder
is selected. I am trying to find a way to make this behaviour the same
as deleting a message. i.e. next message is selected.

-- 
Cheers

Buzz


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Sep  4 22:30:26 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 21:30:26 +0100
Subject: [Users] Can't download posts from Eternal-September NNTP servers
In-Reply-To: <20140905001025.429fef70@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140905001025.429fef70@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140904213026.1b5407da@thewildbeast>

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 00:10:25 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote: 

> The accountrc file can be sent upon
> direction. Is there a problem with the
> settings? I can't download even the
> newsgroups list under
> eternal-september (Usenet text based
> newsgroup). With the same settings I can
> download messages in Icedove.

I tried it. It works!

All I did was put 'news.eternal-september.org' as server name.
It works.

Then I set "Use SSL for NNTP connection"
That works too!

You're doing something wrong!

with regards

Paul


-- 
Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières


From mir at miras.org  Thu Sep  4 22:41:16 2014
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 22:41:16 +0200
Subject: [Users] Can't download posts from Eternal-September NNTP servers
In-Reply-To: <20140905011324.7020b0ca@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140905011324.7020b0ca@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140904224116.78d5f3ab@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 01:13:24 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> No luck! I am using the version Claws
> Mail version 3.8.1., and the
> autoconfigure option in 'Basic/server
> information/Protocol' isn't available
> in mine. Would you like me to send the
> accountrc file?
3.8.1 is more than 2 years old so try to install a newer version an see
whether this solves your problem.

Newer versions can be downloaded here:
http://www.claws-mail.org/downloads.php?section=downloads

If you are using Debian stable you can fetch latest release from Debian
backports: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/

-- 
Hilsen/Regards
Michael Rasmussen

Get my public GnuPG keys:
michael <at> rasmussen <dot> cc
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E
mir <at> datanom <dot> net
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C
mir <at> miras <dot> org
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917
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From James at Hits1k  Thu Sep  4 23:32:08 2014
From: James at Hits1k (James at Hits1k)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 11:32:08 -1000
Subject: [Users] claws automatic accept SSL certificate
Message-ID: <20140904113208.00006726@unknown>

Did you get this problem solved?

I couldn't find the solution in line so I opted for writing a program
that runs in the background and accepts the changed SSL certificate as
soon as Claws notifies the user of the condition.

Thank you!

James @ hits1000.com
www.hits1000.com
j at hits1000.com (Preferred)
hits1k.com at gmail.com

Skype: Hits1k (Available 9am to 7pm PST)
Phone 716.712.4736
Fax (toll free) 877.455.2827

94-1221 Ka Uka Blvd
Suite 108-208
Waipahu, HI 96797
USA


From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 05:37:03 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 09:07:03 +0530
Subject: [Users] Can't download posts from Eternal-September NNTP servers
Message-ID: <20140905090703.5131c664@smtp.gmail.com>

On 05/09/2014, Michael Rasmussen
<mir at miras.org> wrote:

...[/snipped]
[Michael]
> 3.8.1 is more than 2 years old so try
> to install a newer version an see
> whether this solves your problem.
> 
> Newer versions can be downloaded here:
> http://www.claws-mail.org/downloads.php?section=downloads
> 
> If you are using Debian stable you
> can fetch latest release from Debian
> backports:
> http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/


A two-year old package shouldn't be a
reason for its non-functionality,
should it? :) I use Knoppix, which is a
fork of Debian.

Okay, I will try the latest download
and see whether it solves my problem.

Thanks for replying.


[Paul]
[/snipped]

I tried it. It works!
...
You're doing something wrong!

The accountrc file is pasted below:
______________________________________
Freedom is impossible to perceive
comprehensively by anyone

--------------------------------
[Account: 3]
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address=My email-Id., deleted
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password=!the value changed
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is_default=0
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address=My email-Id., deleted
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smtp_server=
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set_draft_folder=1
draft_folder=#mh/Newsbox/draft
set_trash_folder=1
trash_folder=#mh/Newsbox/trash
imap_use_trash=1

[Account: 7]
account_name=StunneLeafnode
is_default=0
name=My name, deleted
address=My email-Id., deleted
organization=
protocol=4
receive_server=
smtp_server=My email-Id., deleted
nntp_server=localhost
local_mbox=/var/mail
use_mail_command=0
mail_command=/usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i
use_nntp_auth=0
use_nntp_auth_onconnect=1
user_id=My gmail username, deleted
password=!
use_apop_auth=0
remove_mail=1
message_leave_time=7
message_leave_hour=0
enable_size_limit=0
size_limit=1024
filter_on_receive=1
filterhook_on_receive=1
imap_auth_method=0
receive_at_get_all=1
max_news_articles=300
inbox=#mh/Mailbox/inbox
local_inbox=#mh/Mailbox/inbox
imap_directory=
imap_subsonly=1
low_bandwidth=0
generate_msgid=1
generate_xmailer=1
add_custom_header=0
msgid_with_addr=0
use_smtp_auth=1
smtp_auth_method=1
smtp_user_id=My gmail username, deleted
smtp_password=!
pop_before_smtp=0
pop_before_smtp_timeout=5
signature_type=0
signature_path=/home/knoppix/.signature
auto_signature=1
signature_separator=
set_autocc=0
auto_cc=
set_autobcc=0
auto_bcc=
set_autoreplyto=0
auto_replyto=
enable_default_dictionary=0
default_dictionary=de
enable_default_alt_dictionary=0
default_alt_dictionary=de
compose_with_format=0
compose_subject_format=
compose_body_format=
reply_with_format=0
reply_quotemark=
reply_body_format=
forward_with_format=0
forward_quotemark=
forward_body_format=
default_privacy_system=
default_encrypt=0
default_encrypt_reply=1
default_sign=0
default_sign_reply=1
save_clear_text=0
encrypt_to_self=0
privacy_prefs=
ssl_pop=0
ssl_imap=0
ssl_nntp=1
ssl_smtp=1
use_nonblocking_ssl=1
in_ssl_client_cert_file=
in_ssl_client_cert_pass=!
out_ssl_client_cert_file=
out_ssl_client_cert_pass=!
set_smtpport=0
smtp_port=465
set_popport=0
pop_port=110
set_imapport=0
imap_port=143
set_nntpport=1
nntp_port=119
set_domain=1
domain=localhost
set_tunnelcmd=0
tunnelcmd=
mark_crosspost_read=0
crosspost_color=0
set_sent_folder=0
sent_folder=
set_queue_folder=0
queue_folder=
set_draft_folder=0
draft_folder=
set_trash_folder=0
trash_folder=
imap_use_trash=1


From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 06:12:39 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 09:42:39 +0530
Subject: [Users] Can't download posts from Eternal-September NNTP servers
Message-ID: <20140905094239.5334b700@smtp.gmail.com>

Dear Friends,
Downloaded claws-mail-3.10.1.tar.xz
from sourceforge.

I tried make -f Makefile.in

Output:
make -f Makefile.in
Makefile.in:15: *** missing separator.
Stop.

I removed the # and the error message
stopped.

Then:
make -f Makefile.in
Makefile.in:1226: *** missing
separator.  Stop.

1225 to 1234
-------------------------
@UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE at update-icon-cache:
@UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE@
@-if test -z "$(DESTDIR)";
then
\
@UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE@
echo "Updating Gtk icon
cache.";			\
@UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE@
$(gtk_update_icon_cache);
\ @UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE@
else
\
@UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE@
echo "*** Icon cache not updated.
Remember to run:";	\
@UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE@
echo
"***";
\
@UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE@
echo "***
$(gtk_update_icon_cache)";
\
@UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE@
echo
"***";
\ @UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE@
fi at UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE@update-icon-cache:
@UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE at -if test -z
"$(DESTDIR)"; then \
@UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE at echo "Updating Gtk icon cache.";			\ @UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE@$(gtk_update_icon_cache); \ @UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE at else \ @UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE at echo "*** Icon cache not updated. Remember to run:";	\ @UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE at echo "***"; \ @UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE at echo "*** $(gtk_update_icon_cache)"; \ @UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE at echo "***"; \ @UPDATE_GTK_ICON_CACHE_TRUE at fi
-----------------------------------



______________________________________
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comprehensively by anyone


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 09:13:01 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 07:13:01 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 1871] filtering find and/or subset display
In-Reply-To: <bug-1871-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-1871-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-1871-595-BCwqIfuPjJ@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1871

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |MOVED

--- Comment #2 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
Feature-wise this is a subset of 3165 reported also by you, so marking this as
moved.

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 10:00:09 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 09:00:09 +0100
Subject: [Users] Can't download posts from Eternal-September NNTP servers
In-Reply-To: <20140905090703.5131c664@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140905090703.5131c664@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140905090009.44279cc5@thewildbeast>

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 09:07:03 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote: 

> A two-year old package shouldn't be a
> reason for its non-functionality,
> should it? :) I use Knoppix, which is a
> fork of Debian.

No, that has nothing to do with this problem.

I've looked at your accountrc file. Strangely you have 4 accounts all
for the same news server. I've no idea why you need 4. But your
problem is the same in all 4:

You have turned on the options "This server requires authentication"
and "authenticate on connect".

It's these 2 options that prevent you from connecting. Turn them off
and you won't have a problem.

If you look in /Tools/Network Log, you will see the "*** Error
authenticating" message.

with regards

Paul


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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 10:08:27 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 09:08:27 +0100
Subject: [Users] Can't download posts from Eternal-September NNTP servers
In-Reply-To: <20140905094239.5334b700@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140905094239.5334b700@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140905090827.3c624cee@thewildbeast>

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 09:42:39 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote: 

> Downloaded claws-mail-3.10.1.tar.xz
> from sourceforge.
> 
> I tried make -f Makefile.in
> 
> Output:
> make -f Makefile.in
> Makefile.in:15: *** missing separator.
> Stop.
> 
> I removed the # and the error message
> stopped.
> 
> Then:
> make -f Makefile.in
> Makefile.in:1226: *** missing
> separator.  Stop.

To build software first you need to run:

./configure

then you need to run:

make

then you install:

sudo make install

Follow this and the problem you mentioned will disappear.

with regards

Paul


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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 10:09:39 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 09:09:39 +0100
Subject: [Users] Can't download posts from Eternal-September NNTP servers
In-Reply-To: <20140905090827.3c624cee@thewildbeast>
References: <20140905094239.5334b700@smtp.gmail.com>
 <20140905090827.3c624cee@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20140905090939.0716695a@thewildbeast>

In fact, the instruction are included in the tarball in the file
INSTALL

regards

Paul

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 10:11:07 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 09:11:07 +0100
Subject: [Users] claws automatic accept SSL certificate
In-Reply-To: <20140904113208.00006726@unknown>
References: <20140904113208.00006726@unknown>
Message-ID: <20140905091107.0f8f45cf@thewildbeast>

On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 11:32:08 -1000
James @ Hits1k <j at hits1000.com> wrote: 

> Did you get this problem solved?

Yes, this was added in the last release. See the first item in the
list on the news page: http://www.claws-mail.org/news.php

with regards

Paul


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 10:36:15 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 08:36:15 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3260] allow searching compressed archives
In-Reply-To: <bug-3260-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3260-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3260-595-dtgfAsvxWs@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3260

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Summary|convert content to make it  |allow searching compressed
                   |searchable                  |archives

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 10:45:25 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 08:45:25 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2170] Attachment removal doesn't work well inside
	search
In-Reply-To: <bug-2170-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2170-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2170-595-dQFJZw8UMY@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2170

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |WORKSFORME

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From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 11:25:43 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:55:43 +0530
Subject: [Users] Can't download posts from Eternal-September NNTP servers
Message-ID: <20140905145543.4239d54c@smtp.gmail.com>

On 05/09/2014, Paul
<claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:
...
[/snipped] 
> Well, I had to assume as you didn't
> provide full information.
> 
> Why are you running `make -f
> Makefile.in` instead of just `make`?


Dear Paul,
I am just slowing down a bit... to
avoid confusion and partial
information...

Okay,...
If I use just make it will run my
system's makefile information, and I
might end up as a partially functioning
system.

Next, the ./configure returned an
absence of GTK+2 libs. I believed GTK+3
as a superset of GTK+2, as my system
has GTK+3. I have attached
the ./configure output. Okay, as you
are trying to help me, just tell me
what information do you require beside
what you have asked in this email.

I will try to comply.

Regards

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From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 11:37:20 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 15:07:20 +0530
Subject: [Users] Can't download posts from Eternal-September NNTP servers
Message-ID: <20140905150720.3055776c@smtp.gmail.com>

On 05/09/2014, Paul
<claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:
> ...
> [/snipped]
> I've looked at your accountrc file.
> Strangely you have 4 accounts all for
> the same news server. I've no idea
> why you need 4. But your problem is
> the same in all 4:

Dear Paul,
I am a subscriber to:

alt.folklore.computer
comp.unix.shell,
alt.os.linux,
comp.unix.programmer

Not all eternal-server account provide
usenext text only group access. They
have their native text-based group too,
in the form of
eternal-september.support and
others.

I activated all the 4 accounts because
eternal-september provides four servers.

> You have turned on the options "This
> server requires authentication" and
> "authenticate on connect".
>
> It's these 2 options that prevent you
> from connecting. Turn them off and
> you won't have a problem.
>
> If you look in /Tools/Network Log,
> you will see the "*** Error
> authenticating" message.

Thank you, I knew there was something
amiss. I have attached the screenshot.
I was led to believe that those
authentication information were
regarding the smtp (send) server. So
I filled up the user Id, checked 'ON'
the authentication information.

Thank you once again.


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 12:23:42 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:23:42 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3265] New: procmime.c: unbalanced flockfile() /
	funlockfile()
Message-ID: <bug-3265-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3265

            Bug ID: 3265
           Summary: procmime.c: unbalanced flockfile() / funlockfile()
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: timo.teras at iki.fi

Created attachment 1427
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1427&action=edit
proposed fix

procmime_decode_content() opens file with get_tmpfile_in_dir(), but uses
procmime_fclose() to close it which calls funlockfile() for it too. It is
undefined what happens - and some c-libraries crash, or abort with assertation
failure.

See attached patch to fix it.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 12:26:48 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:26:48 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3266] New: procmime.c: FILE leak in specific
	circumstances
Message-ID: <bug-3266-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3266

            Bug ID: 3266
           Summary: procmime.c: FILE leak in specific circumstances
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: timo.teras at iki.fi

procmime_decode_content() can open a temporary file when canonicalizing base64
message. tmpfp is used to track this file. When opening the tmpfp second
variable 'uncanonicalize' is set TRUE. During the parsing loop uncanonicalie
can be reset later to FALSE. However, tmpfp is properly closed only if
uncanonicalize is TRUE.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 12:38:35 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:38:35 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3267] New: When replying Encrypt setting is lost when
 changing Accounts
Message-ID: <bug-3267-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3267

            Bug ID: 3267
           Summary: When replying Encrypt setting is lost when changing
                    Accounts
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: critical
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Compose Window
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: timo.teras at iki.fi

I have multiple accounts configured. They all have the setting "Always encrypt
when replying to an encrypted mail" enabled.

But if I reply to encrypted message, and change from one account to another,
the reply messages Encrypt setting is lost. Further, even if I switch back to
the account that received the message, the Encrypt setting stays lost.

I consider this to be an important security issue.

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From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 14:05:45 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:35:45 +0530
Subject: [Users] Usenet groups can't be accessed through eternal-september
Message-ID: <20140905173545.1797d409@smtp.gmail.com>

Dear Friends,

I can't reach the four Usenet groups I
am subscribed to, namely:

alt.folklore.computers
comp.unix.shell,
alt.os.linux,
comp.unix.programmer

Thanks to Mr.Paul Mangan I have been
able to access the Eternal September
newsgroups like:

eternal-september.config (481)
eternal-september.support (6224)
eternal-september.newusers (588)
eternal-september.talk (433)
eternal-september.info (3)
cn.fan (Read)
eternal-september.test (4965)

I am sure I am missing out something.
Don't know what.

Regards__________________________________
Freedom is impossible to perceive
comprehensively by anyone


From albert.aribaud at free.fr  Fri Sep  5 14:27:09 2014
From: albert.aribaud at free.fr (Albert ARIBAUD)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:27:09 +0200
Subject: [Users] Usenet groups can't be accessed through
 eternal-september
In-Reply-To: <20140905173545.1797d409@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140905173545.1797d409@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140905142709.30a99e25@lilith>

Bonjour Rajib,

Le Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:35:45 +0530, Rajib Bandopadhyay
<bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> a écrit :

> Dear Friends,
> 
> I can't reach the four Usenet groups I
> am subscribed to, namely:
> 
> alt.folklore.computers
> comp.unix.shell,
> alt.os.linux,
> comp.unix.programmer
> 
> Thanks to Mr.Paul Mangan I have been
> able to access the Eternal September
> newsgroups like:
> 
> eternal-september.config (481)
> eternal-september.support (6224)
> eternal-september.newusers (588)
> eternal-september.talk (433)
> eternal-september.info (3)
> cn.fan (Read)
> eternal-september.test (4965)
> 
> I am sure I am missing out something.
> Don't know what.

I could register to, and configure Claws Mail for, an account at
eternal-september and read comp.unix.programmer with no problem.

What is the configuration of your eternal-september account in Claws
Mail?

> Regards

Amicalement,
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From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 15:30:19 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 19:00:19 +0530
Subject: [Users] Usenet groups can't be accessed through
 eternal-september
Message-ID: <20140905190019.47bee1cd@smtp.gmail.com>

On 05/09/2014, Albert ARIBAUD
<albert.aribaud at free.fr> wrote:
> Bonjour Rajib,
[/snipped]
> I could register to, and configure
> Claws Mail for, an account at
> eternal-september and read
> comp.unix.programmer with no problem.
>
> What is the configuration of your
> eternal-september account in Claws
> Mail?
[/snipped]

Bonjour, Sir!
Thank you for your kind message. I have
attached here an email from
eternal-september website in a pdf
format.

I am also posting my accountrc file
below for your kind perusal.

Regards,
Rajib Bandopadhyay

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-----------------------------
accountrc file
-----------------------------
[Account: 3]
account_name=Google
is_default=1
name=Rajib Bandopadhyay
address=bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com
organization=
protocol=6
receive_server=
smtp_server=smtp.gmail.com
nntp_server=
local_mbox=/var/mail
use_mail_command=0
mail_command=/usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i
use_nntp_auth=0
use_nntp_auth_onconnect=0
user_id=bkpsusmitaa
password=!
use_apop_auth=0
remove_mail=1
message_leave_time=7
message_leave_hour=0
enable_size_limit=0
size_limit=1024
filter_on_receive=0
filterhook_on_receive=0
imap_auth_method=0
receive_at_get_all=0
max_news_articles=300
inbox=#mh/Mailbox/inbox
local_inbox=#mh/Mailbox/inbox
imap_directory=
imap_subsonly=1
low_bandwidth=0
generate_msgid=1
generate_xmailer=1
add_custom_header=0
msgid_with_addr=0
use_smtp_auth=1
smtp_auth_method=1
smtp_user_id=bkpsusmitaa
smtp_password=!
pop_before_smtp=0
pop_before_smtp_timeout=5
signature_type=0
signature_path=/home/knoppix/.signature
auto_signature=1
signature_separator=
set_autocc=0
auto_cc=
set_autobcc=0
auto_bcc=
set_autoreplyto=0
auto_replyto=
enable_default_dictionary=0
default_dictionary=de
enable_default_alt_dictionary=0
default_alt_dictionary=de
compose_with_format=0
compose_subject_format=
compose_body_format=
reply_with_format=0
reply_quotemark=
reply_body_format=
forward_with_format=0
forward_quotemark=
forward_body_format=
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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Fri Sep  5 15:11:25 2014
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:11:25 +0100
Subject: [Users] Usenet groups can't be accessed through
 eternal-september
In-Reply-To: <20140905173545.1797d409@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140905173545.1797d409@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140905141125.260733d9@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:35:45 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Rajib,

>I am sure I am missing out something.
>Don't know what.

In the other thread (re: d/ling group list) Paul mentioned he spotted an
"Error authenticating" message.  When using E-S, unless you enter valid
& correct UID and password combo, you can only access groups under
eternal-september hierarchy.

So, you need to enter correct credentials and ensure that they're used
to log in to E-S.  *Then* you'll be able to post to your ngs.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Every single one of us
Devil Inside - INXS
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From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 16:41:48 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 20:11:48 +0530
Subject: [Users] Usenet groups can't be accessed through
	eternal-september
Message-ID: <20140905201148.1de3de2d@smtp.gmail.com>

On 05/09/2014, Brad Rogers
<brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote:

 ...
[/snipped]
> In the other thread (re: d/ling group
> list) Paul mentioned he spotted an
> "Error authenticating" message.  When
> using E-S, unless you enter valid &
> correct UID and password combo, you
> can only access groups under
> eternal-september hierarchy.
> 
> So, you need to enter correct
> credentials and ensure that they're
> used to log in to E-S.  *Then* you'll
> be able to post to your ngs.

Hello, Sir!

I hope you have read the email from
Eternal September that I had attached
as a pdf file?

My idea was that if I don't provide
username or password, the server will
ask for the same.

This is the case with Google, where I
haven't provided username and password,
and the server asks for user-id and
password.

However, I shall follow your advice and
see if this rectifies the problem.

Thank you for responding to my email,
Sir!
______________________________________
Freedom is impossible to perceive
comprehensively by anyone


From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 16:50:00 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 20:20:00 +0530
Subject: [Users] Usenet groups can't be accessed through
	eternal-september
In-Reply-To: <20140905201148.1de3de2d@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140905201148.1de3de2d@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEG4cZVBn5xt61bcqzX9fiU=cJH_xrxPzRDxxaMq4zuFeksb=w@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, Sirs!
It indeed can when I pre-submit user-Id. and password.
Thanks and regards

On 05/09/2014, Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 05/09/2014, Brad Rogers
> <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote:
>
>  ...
> [/snipped]
>> In the other thread (re: d/ling group
>> list) Paul mentioned he spotted an
>> "Error authenticating" message.  When
>> using E-S, unless you enter valid &
>> correct UID and password combo, you
>> can only access groups under
>> eternal-september hierarchy.
>>
>> So, you need to enter correct
>> credentials and ensure that they're
>> used to log in to E-S.  *Then* you'll
>> be able to post to your ngs.
>
> Hello, Sir!
>
> I hope you have read the email from
> Eternal September that I had attached
> as a pdf file?
>
> My idea was that if I don't provide
> username or password, the server will
> ask for the same.
>
> This is the case with Google, where I
> haven't provided username and password,
> and the server asks for user-id and
> password.
>
> However, I shall follow your advice and
> see if this rectifies the problem.
>
> Thank you for responding to my email,
> Sir!
> ______________________________________
> Freedom is impossible to perceive
> comprehensively by anyone
>


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Fri Sep  5 17:18:20 2014
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 16:18:20 +0100
Subject: [Users] Usenet groups can't be accessed through
 eternal-september
In-Reply-To: <20140905201148.1de3de2d@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140905201148.1de3de2d@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140905161820.63ad9aad@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 20:11:48 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Rajib,

>My idea was that if I don't provide
>username or password, the server will
>ask for the same.

It doesn't.  As the email you received(1) from ES indicates, to use
anything other than the E-S hierarchy, you must always authenticate. IOW,
log in.

{time passes}

Ah, I see from your follow up you've got things up and running.

(1) why send it here as a PDF?  Just attaching the mail would have
been easier.  Making a 4k email into a 30k PDF wastes people's time,
bandwidth and money.  Still, it could have been worse;  I've seen people
send (not to this list, I hasten to add) 200k screen grabs to show a
dialog box with a 30 character text string in it.  Doing the screen grab
and attaching it to the email probably took longer than typing in the
text would have done.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
You suck my blood like a leech
Death On Two Legs - Queen
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From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 17:40:27 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 21:10:27 +0530
Subject: [Users] Usenet groups can't be accessed through
	eternal-september
Message-ID: <20140905211027.17029c58@smtp.gmail.com>

On 05/09/2014, Brad Rogers
<brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote:
...
[/snipped]

> It doesn't.  As the email you
> received(1) from ES indicates, to use
> anything other than the E-S
> hierarchy, you must always
> authenticate. IOW, log in.

Yes, Sir, I understood my mistake.
 
> Ah, I see from your follow up you've
> got things up and running.

Yes, sir, thanks to you all :)

> (1) why send it here as a PDF?  Just
> attaching the mail would have been
> easier.  Making a 4k email into a 30k
> PDF wastes people's time, bandwidth
> and money.  

Yes, sir, I could've sent it as an html
attachment, but thought that it
would look and format better in pdf.

> Still, it could have been
> worse;  I've seen people send (not to
> this list, I hasten to add) 200k
> screen grabs to show a dialog box
> with a 30 character text string in
> it.  Doing the screen grab and
> attaching it to the email probably
> took longer than typing in the text
> would have done.

Actually, sir, it is psychological -
our ancient programming to replicate, as
faithfully as possible, to show
authenticity or group-adherence.

We now believe that if the formatting
resembles the original it counts as a
better evidence. For example, you could
just have (considering an unwaivering
trust among us) given me a sheet of
paper with ten dollars written on it,
so that the next time I could give it
back to you and get ten dollars worth
of goods, but we now let the fed do
that work for us.

Everything that we see around us is
because of our inherent human nature, I
call this as anthropic reality, a
reality vastly different to the
mountainic reality or pionic reality -
the realities for a mountain or a pion,
respectively (considering they too were
alive).

My best regards, Sir!
______________________________________
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comprehensively by anyone


From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 17:57:13 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 21:27:13 +0530
Subject: [Users] readable, searchable, webpage for all email correspondences
Message-ID: <20140905212713.7b976576@smtp.gmail.com>

Dear friends,

Do we have a readable, searchable
webpage for all the emails that were
submitted by, and replied to, the
users?

I believe if there is one it would
reduce the replicating work for our
more experienced peers and experts,
and a link to (an) appropriate
email(s) would be sufficient.

Please guide me in this regard.

Regards
Rajib Bandopadhyay
______________________________________
Freedom is impossible to perceive
comprehensively by anyone


From mir at miras.org  Fri Sep  5 18:08:06 2014
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:08:06 +0200
Subject: [Users] readable, searchable,
 webpage for all email correspondences
In-Reply-To: <20140905212713.7b976576@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140905212713.7b976576@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140905180806.1aafdab2@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 21:27:13 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Please guide me in this regard.
http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/

-- 
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Michael Rasmussen

Get my public GnuPG keys:
michael <at> rasmussen <dot> cc
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E
mir <at> datanom <dot> net
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C
mir <at> miras <dot> org
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:41:17 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:41:17 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3268] New: Can't mark mail as read while claws is
 fetching new mail
Message-ID: <bug-3268-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3268

            Bug ID: 3268
           Summary: Can't mark mail as read while claws is fetching new
                    mail
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: Other
                OS: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: major
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message List
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: nfxjfg at googlemail.com

This is extremely shitty and frustrating.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:42:43 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:42:43 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3269] New: Sometimes composing message window will not
 disappear when sending mail while mail is fetched in the background
Message-ID: <bug-3269-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3269

            Bug ID: 3269
           Summary: Sometimes composing message window will not disappear
                    when sending mail while mail is fetched in the
                    background
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: Other
                OS: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message View
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: nfxjfg at googlemail.com

It just sits there, being disabled. The message is actually sent (only way to
know: check the mailing list web interface you've sent the mail to).

Only way out: kill -9

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:43:59 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:43:59 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3270] New: Fethcing new mail in the background blocks
 most of the UI
Message-ID: <bug-3270-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3270

            Bug ID: 3270
           Summary: Fethcing new mail in the background blocks most of the
                    UI
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: Other
                OS: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: nfxjfg at googlemail.com

You can't even read mail, jesus christ.

It's even worse because I've set it to scan often, because claws otherwise
won't notify me of new mail.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:47:12 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:47:12 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3271] New: Scanning for mail takes too long
Message-ID: <bug-3271-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3271

            Bug ID: 3271
           Summary: Scanning for mail takes too long
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: Other
                OS: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: nfxjfg at googlemail.com

It seems claws scans all folders or so. It takes a few seconds. Most of the
time mail will be sent only to INBOX, and then filtered to be moved to
sub-folders. I want the new mails to show up in the sub-folders, but I don't
think scanning them is strictly required.

No, I don't want to configure this manually, because that means I might do it
wrong, and miss mail that is added to various sub-folders for obscure reasons.

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From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 18:47:48 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 22:17:48 +0530
Subject: [Users] readable, searchable,
	webpage for all email correspondences
Message-ID: <20140905221748.4d065d07@smtp.gmail.com>

On 05/09/2014, Michael Rasmussen
<mir at miras.org> wrote:
...
> [/snipped]
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/
> [/snipped]

Sir, I am very aware about this, but
when I wrote this was not what I was
visualising.

I was thinking about google's extensive
indexing. Whatever I have written or
received as gmail is almost immediately
available to me when I input certain
keywords.

Something like that...
Regards,
Rajib Bandopadhya
---------------------------------------------------

______________________________________
Freedom is impossible to perceive
comprehensively by anyone


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:50:21 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:50:21 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3272] New: Sometimes claws wants to reindex huge
 folders for no reason
Message-ID: <bug-3272-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3272

            Bug ID: 3272
           Summary: Sometimes claws wants to reindex huge folders for no
                    reason
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: Other
                OS: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: critical
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: nfxjfg at googlemail.com

This sometimes happens: click on a folder, and then claws starts reindexing the
folder, instead of showing its contents.

At the times I've observed this, I've always had enough free disk space and
there was nothing else unusual.

It seems sometimes reindexing never terminates and just restarts once its done
(can't be sure).

I usually kill -9 claws when it's doing that - after restart, it usually
doesn't want to reindex anymore and shows the folder contents instantly. This
is the most frequent reason why I kill -9 claws regularly (usually a few times
a day).

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:51:37 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:51:37 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3268] Can't mark mail as read while claws is fetching
	new mail
In-Reply-To: <bug-3268-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3268-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3268-595-mpprwiRQII@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:50:44 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:50:44 +0100
Subject: [Users] Usenet groups can't be accessed through
 eternal-september
In-Reply-To: <20140905211027.17029c58@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140905211027.17029c58@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140905175044.0edf84a8@thewildbeast>

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 21:10:27 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote: 

> Yes, sir, I could've sent it as an html
> attachment, but thought that it
> would look and format better in pdf.

You could have just used drag'n'dropped the message into the Compose
window, choosing 'Attach' when prompted. That would have been as easy
to read as this is now.

with regards

Paul


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:52:48 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:52:48 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3273] New: No imap notification support
Message-ID: <bug-3273-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3273

            Bug ID: 3273
           Summary: No imap notification support
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: Other
                OS: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: nfxjfg at googlemail.com

>From what I've heard, the IMAP protocol has support for server notifications,
but claws doesn't support them. From what I understand, this would spare claws
from rescanning all imap folders every time just to know if there's new mail.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:52:33 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:52:33 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3270] Fethcing new mail in the background blocks most
	of the UI
In-Reply-To: <bug-3270-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3270-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3270-595-1BA57LuYRb@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:53:40 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:53:40 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3271] Scanning for mail takes too long
In-Reply-To: <bug-3271-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3271-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3271-595-G16pa7dGlM@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

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Shouldn't this be sent to the user's mailing list instead?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:54:42 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:54:42 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3274] New: Selecting a folder doesn't work under
 specific circumstances
Message-ID: <bug-3274-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3274

            Bug ID: 3274
           Summary: Selecting a folder doesn't work under specific
                    circumstances
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: Other
                OS: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Folder List
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: nfxjfg at googlemail.com

If you select a huge folder, that somehow takes a while to display (even though
it doesn't reindex etc.), and then select another folder before it finishes,
the folder selection will revert to the first one once loading the first folder
finishes.

This is extremely annoying. It should stay with the folder that was selected
last (i.e. most recently).

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:56:26 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:56:26 +0100
Subject: [Users] readable, searchable,
 webpage for all email correspondences
In-Reply-To: <20140905221748.4d065d07@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140905221748.4d065d07@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140905175626.45f2a027@thewildbeast>

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 22:17:48 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote: 

> I was thinking about google's extensive
> indexing. Whatever I have written or
> received as gmail is almost immediately
> available to me when I input certain
> keywords.

If you want to search using google, use

site:http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/

in the search box.

with regards

Paul


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:57:15 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:57:15 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3275] New: Annoying focus-stealing dialogs if claws
 can't connect or if there's a network issue
Message-ID: <bug-3275-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3275

            Bug ID: 3275
           Summary: Annoying focus-stealing dialogs if claws can't connect
                    or if there's a network issue
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: Other
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: critical
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: nfxjfg at googlemail.com

If claws can't connect to the network, or if the server changes its certificate
(like gmail certificate rotation), it will show a focus-stealing dialog. I'm
observing this on X11 under IceWM. It will show the message dialog on the
currently active workspace (even if it's not the workspace claws is on), and
will steal keyboard focus.

This is extremely annoying and claws absolutely shouldn't do this.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:57:49 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:57:49 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3272] Sometimes claws wants to reindex huge folders
 for no reason
In-Reply-To: <bug-3272-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3272-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3272-595-KI70U1t5g9@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:58:54 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:58:54 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2212] Implement Push IMAP
In-Reply-To: <bug-2212-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2212-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2212-595-XEEvW7YXXE@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

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*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 1408 ***

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:58:54 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:58:54 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 1408] IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)
In-Reply-To: <bug-1408-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-1408-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-1408-595-Jgaql2TOIa@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

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*** Bug 2212 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:59:03 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:59:03 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 1408] IDLE-Support with libEtPan (since 0.52)
In-Reply-To: <bug-1408-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-1408-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-1408-595-5JLgvpguIR@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

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*** Bug 3273 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:59:03 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3273] No imap notification support
In-Reply-To: <bug-3273-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3273-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3273-595-5rYlAPnxVz@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 18:59:59 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:59:59 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3276] New: No convenient way to quickly mark mails as
	read
Message-ID: <bug-3276-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3276

            Bug ID: 3276
           Summary: No convenient way to quickly mark mails as read
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: Other
                OS: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message List
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: nfxjfg at googlemail.com

Currently, you have to right click, go to the Mark submenu, and click the "Mark
as read" entry (which is lost among dozens of other entries, so you have to
look for it every time).

The alternative, just clicking the mail to display it, so that it's marked as
default, is too slow and inconvenient. It doesn't help with mailing lists where
you might have a hundreds of messages you're not interested in.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 19:01:45 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:01:45 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3272] Sometimes claws wants to reindex huge folders
 for no reason
In-Reply-To: <bug-3272-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3272-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3272-595-oFzlTMlkcy@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3272

--- Comment #2 from nfxjfg at googlemail.com ---
>then wait a bit?

Are you trolling?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 19:01:55 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:01:55 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3276] No convenient way to quickly mark mails as read
In-Reply-To: <bug-3276-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3276-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3276

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
use a hotkey.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 19:03:12 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:03:12 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3272] Sometimes claws wants to reindex huge folders
 for no reason
In-Reply-To: <bug-3272-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3272-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3272

--- Comment #3 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
(In reply to comment #2)
> Are you trolling?

seems more like you are. why not try to discuss issues first via the usual
channels, rather than bombarding the bug tracker with your nitpicking?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 19:07:45 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:07:45 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3272] Sometimes claws wants to reindex huge folders
 for no reason
In-Reply-To: <bug-3272-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3272-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
         Resolution|PATCHESWELCOME              |---

--- Comment #4 from nfxjfg at googlemail.com ---
Nitpicking? I'm just documenting all issues I've had with this email client,
after I've used it for month. I tried the IRC channel long ago, but was met
with disinterest and "patches welcome". I don't know what else you could mean
with "usual channels". This is a bug tracker, meant for bug reports, right?
Where else should I report bugs? If development is this stale that you won't
even accept bugs and just mark them as invalid, I suggest closing the bug
tracker.

Anyway, this is a real issue. Please don't close it just because you don't
understand it.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 19:08:53 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:08:53 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3276] No convenient way to quickly mark mails as read
In-Reply-To: <bug-3276-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3276-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3276-595-uA2jeOnPKB@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3276

--- Comment #2 from nfxjfg at googlemail.com ---
>use a hotkey.

The menu documents none.

Also, it's hard to use a "hotkey" without actually selecting the mail. Unless
you fix your network code, using the mouse context menu (the only way to
manipulate a mail without loading it) is the only way to do this in any form.

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From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 19:15:05 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 22:45:05 +0530
Subject: [Users] readable, searchable,
	webpage for all email correspondences
Message-ID: <20140905224505.79c690e6@smtp.gmail.com>

On 05/09/2014, Paul
<claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:
...
[snipped]
> If you want to search using google,
> use
>
> site:http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/
> in the search box.
...
[/snipped]

Yes, very true!
I also know the codes, for example, to
search about Pre-filtering emails, I
could use:

Pre-filtering emails
site:http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/

Yes, I could. But, does Google so
intensively index all sites? Or it does
for some particular sites based on its
ranking algorithm? I've tried earlier
in some cases and haven't seen
encouraging results.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 19:22:56 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:22:56 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3272] Sometimes claws wants to reindex huge folders
 for no reason
In-Reply-To: <bug-3272-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3272-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3272-595-KnXkWml7Ff@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3272

--- Comment #5 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
(In reply to comment #4)
> Nitpicking? 

Sure. Some of them are simply that.

> I'm just documenting all issues I've had with this email client,
> after I've used it for month. I tried the IRC channel long ago, but was met
> with disinterest and "patches welcome". I don't know what else you could
> mean with "usual channels".

That's vague. I don't remember you.

> This is a bug tracker, meant for bug reports,
> right? Where else should I report bugs? 

Well, I don't think you're in a position to decide how this should be used. We
have a way of doing things. I ask you to comply.

> If development is this stale that
> you won't even accept bugs and just mark them as invalid, I suggest closing
> the bug tracker.

Thanks for your suggestion, I won't be be acting on it. Quick replies here dont
suggest any staleness to me.

> Anyway, this is a real issue. Please don't close it just because you don't
> understand it.

It's up to you as bug reported to report in such a way that it can be
understood. So, please explain better. Perhaps start with explaining what you
mean by "for no reason" in your summary.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 19:28:50 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:28:50 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3276] No convenient way to quickly mark mails as read
In-Reply-To: <bug-3276-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3276-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3276-595-cZGhFNd00R@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3276

--- Comment #3 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
(In reply to comment #2)
> >use a hotkey.
> 
> The menu documents none.

See the FAQ, for instance, to learn about hotkeys.

> Also, it's hard to use a "hotkey" without actually selecting the mail.
> Unless you fix your network code, using the mouse context menu (the only way
> to manipulate a mail without loading it) is the only way to do this in any
> form.

Not true. If you have 'Open message when selected' set to 'Never', you can then
use the cursor keys, for example, to select messages, and a hotkey to mark as
read.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 19:38:23 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:38:23 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3272] Sometimes claws wants to reindex huge folders
 for no reason
In-Reply-To: <bug-3272-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3272-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3272-595-wuSl6VWlql@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

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--- Comment #6 from nfxjfg at googlemail.com ---
>So, please explain better.

It seems to happen if you click on a folder. There is no obvious or visible
reason why it would do that. During indexing, the client is largely
unresponsive, and AFAIR will deadlock sooner or later. These days I just kill
-9 claws when it does this; after restart it does not want to index anymore
(most times), so I assume there really is no reason for it to have initiated
indexing in the previous instance.

That's all I know. I don't know IMAP or claws internals, so that is all I can
say.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 20:10:17 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 18:10:17 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3277] New: selecting a range of messages
Message-ID: <bug-3277-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3277

            Bug ID: 3277
           Summary: selecting a range of messages
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: GIT
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message List
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mail at earthworm.de

Selecting a range of messages fails unter special conditions:

* Open folder, do not open any messages. Message view is empty, though message
A is highlighted.
* Use the arrow keys to navigate to message B. This is supposed to be first
message in range. Do *not* open it, e.g. do not click it or press space.
* Hold "shift" key and klick on message C.

I would expect all messages between and including messages B and C to be
selected. In facted messages between and including messages A and C are
selected.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 20:12:01 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 18:12:01 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3272] Sometimes claws wants to reindex huge folders
 for no reason
In-Reply-To: <bug-3272-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3272-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3272-595-LhWzwID18A@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

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Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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          Component|Other                       |Folders/IMAP
           Severity|critical                    |normal

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 20:30:39 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 18:30:39 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3276] No convenient way to quickly mark mails as read
In-Reply-To: <bug-3276-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3276-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3276-595-mvLnl40ny0@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3276

--- Comment #4 from nfxjfg at googlemail.com ---
>If you have 'Open message when selected' set to 'Never', you can then use the cursor keys, for example, to select messages, and a hotkey to mark as read.

Can't find that option. Depending on how it works it might be too inconvenient
though.

I suggest having "mark as read" as entry in the main context menu, with an
"accelerator" key set. (You know, that thing that makes a letter in the menu
entry underlined, and if you press the key corresponding to that letter, the
menu entry is executed.)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 20:32:47 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 18:32:47 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3278] New: Sometimes the message body is missing
Message-ID: <bug-3278-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3278

            Bug ID: 3278
           Summary: Sometimes the message body is missing
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: Other
                OS: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message View
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: nfxjfg at googlemail.com

Sometimes when clicking on an unread menu, the message body is missing. All
normal fields seem to be present (like sender, subject), just the message text
itself is empty. Clicking on another message and then clicking on the broken
message again doesn't fix it. Viewing the message source also shows that most
fields are present, just not the message text.

What helps is discarding the folder cache, and waiting until it's done
reindexing.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 20:42:22 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 18:42:22 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3276] No convenient way to quickly mark mails as read
In-Reply-To: <bug-3276-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3276-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3276-595-WAk6NH8FcX@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3276

--- Comment #5 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
(In reply to comment #4)

> I suggest having "mark as read" as entry in the main context menu, with an
> "accelerator" key set. (You know, that thing that makes a letter in the menu
> entry underlined, and if you press the key corresponding to that letter, the
> menu entry is executed.)

You can already do exactly that.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 20:43:16 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 18:43:16 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3278] Sometimes the message body is missing
In-Reply-To: <bug-3278-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3278-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3278-595-4hUs8CxaPg@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3278

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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          Component|UI/Message View             |Folders/IMAP

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep  5 21:38:32 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:38:32 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3276] No convenient way to quickly mark mails as read
In-Reply-To: <bug-3276-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3276-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3276-595-iqm0SDdASt@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3276

--- Comment #6 from nfxjfg at googlemail.com ---
>You can already do exactly that.

Well, I couldn't find out.

Anyway, now I've assigned a key to mark messages unread. I tried to mark a
thread as unread by using the cursor keys to move to every unread message, and
pressing the hotkey to mark it as read. But - claws blocks the UI until it's
"done" marking the message. Probably waits for the network. This makes marking
many messages very slow and you have to _wait_ on it.

Please, it's 2014. Humans shouldn't have to wait on computers.

Should I file a separate bug report for this? (If I haven't already.)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 00:35:49 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 22:35:49 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3279] New: Mouse cursor sometimes gets stuck in "busy"
	state
Message-ID: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3279

            Bug ID: 3279
           Summary: Mouse cursor sometimes gets stuck in "busy" state
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: minor
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: nfxjfg at googlemail.com

The mouse cursor changes its shape to a "busy" icon when claws is doing
something, like switching to a different folder. But sometimes, this "busy"
icon doesn't turn back to the normal cursor, even if claws seems done. E.g. the
folder is loaded, and there's no further activity etc. The mouse cursor simply
stays in this state. Only restarting claws seems to fix it.

(I'm not sure what's the proper term for this icon. On MS Windows, this usually
was a hourglass animation. With the GTK theme I'm using, it's some sort of
animated wheel shape.)

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From pf at pfortin.com  Sat Sep  6 01:24:19 2014
From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 19:24:19 -0400
Subject: [Users] readable, searchable,
 webpage for all email correspondences
In-Reply-To: <20140905212713.7b976576@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140905212713.7b976576@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140905192419.2de8d21b@pfortin.com>

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 21:27:13 +0530 Rajib Bandopadhyay wrote:

>Do we have a readable, searchable
>webpage for all the emails that were
>submitted by, and replied to, the
>users?

Brad gave you the direct answer; but most lists have such information in
every message...

View->Show all headers or Ctrl+H will show all headers which include
these:
List-Id: <users.lists.claws-mail.org>
List-Unsubscribe:
<http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/users>,
<mailto:users-request at lists.claws-mail.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/> 
List-Post: <mailto:users at lists.claws-mail.org> 
List-Help: <mailto:users-request at lists.claws-mail.org?subject=help> 
List-Subscribe:
<http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users>,
<mailto:users-request at lists.claws-mail.org?subject=subscribe>


HTH


From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 07:46:30 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 11:16:30 +0530
Subject: [Users] readable, searchable,
 webpage for all email correspondences
Message-ID: <20140906111630.08f46803@smtp.gmail.com>

On 06/09/2014, Pierre Fortin
<pf at pfortin.com> wrote: ...
[snipped]
> Brad gave you the direct answer; but
> most lists have such information in
> every message...
[/snipped]

Sir,

I did not understand the persective of
your present reply. 

My query was a customised search.
During our discussion, in my _last_
post I wondered aloud IF:

But, does Google so
intensively index all sites? Or it does
for some particular sites based on its
ranking algorithm? I've tried earlier
in some cases and haven't seen
encouraging results.

Sir, I have long been member of
various mailing list groups, and some
even allow posting from the web browser
itself, such as,
https://lists.geany.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
The group has a searchable database
via a site-intrinsic search engine at
gmane:
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.editors.geany.general

However, I can understand that for an
offline mail-news client a web based
posting is counter-intuitive. But a
website based search engine is
definitely not.

Anyway, thanks for replying. It shows
that you people do really care.

Regards
Rajib Bandopadhyay

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 08:59:07 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 06:59:07 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3279] Mouse cursor sometimes gets stuck in "busy" state
In-Reply-To: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3279-595-MnbNNq1mN5@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |WORKSFORME

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 09:06:36 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 07:06:36 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3279] Mouse cursor sometimes gets stuck in "busy" state
In-Reply-To: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3279-595-aa9SC4J0Rg@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3279

--- Comment #1 from nfxjfg at googlemail.com ---
It happened to me multiple times. If you want to ignore reality - well maybe
that's why your software has so many damn bugs.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 09:12:04 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 07:12:04 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3278] Sometimes the message body is missing
In-Reply-To: <bug-3278-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3278-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3278-595-XMETZXn1wU@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3278

--- Comment #1 from nfxjfg at googlemail.com ---
Further observation: the mail without body has the sender (and other metadata)
of the previous mail (at least in this case: the mail in the mailing list
thread that was replied to).

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 09:13:42 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 07:13:42 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3279] Mouse cursor sometimes gets stuck in "busy" state
In-Reply-To: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3279-595-hghoh4gTu6@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3279

--- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
(In reply to comment #1)
> It happened to me multiple times. 

Never happens here. Maybe you want to give more details, like what desktop you
use, what version. How to trigger it, etc etc. Then this report would be more
useful. As it is, 'worksforme' is the only possible response.

> If you want to ignore reality - well maybe
> that's why your software has so many damn bugs.

Since you've been in "arrogant twat" mode from the start, how do you think, in
reality, people will respond to that?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 09:15:51 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 07:15:51 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3278] Sometimes the message body is missing
In-Reply-To: <bug-3278-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3278-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3278-595-f5AfROLG3Z@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3278

--- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
It would appear that the body did not get cached.

Start Claws in debug mode, `claws-mail --debug`, and attach the relevant
output.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 09:20:07 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 07:20:07 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3279] Mouse cursor sometimes gets stuck in "busy" state
In-Reply-To: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3279-595-1o2Rb3MqRq@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3279

--- Comment #3 from nfxjfg at googlemail.com ---
>Maybe you want to give more details, like what desktop you use, what version.

IceWM, latest version.

>Since you've been in "arrogant twat" mode from the start, how do you think, in reality, people will respond to that?

What do you think users of a software think if the dev doesn't acknowledge real
bugs, and does nothing to fix long standing issues that severely reduce the
user experience and the usefulness of the software at large? I totally expected
this, because months ago the only reaction on IRC to HUGE bugs and issues was
"patches welcome" - so my reaction is to not to allow you to deny bugs.

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From edodd55 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 09:30:40 2014
From: edodd55 at gmail.com (Liz)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 17:30:40 +1000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3279] Mouse cursor sometimes gets stuck in "busy"
 state
In-Reply-To: <bug-3279-595-1o2Rb3MqRq@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3279-595-1o2Rb3MqRq@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20140906173040.61271ae5.edodd55@gmail.com>

On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 07:20:07 +0000
noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote:

> What do you think users of a software think if the dev doesn't
> acknowledge real bugs, and does nothing to fix long standing issues
> that severely reduce the user experience and the usefulness of the
> software at large? I totally expected this, because months ago the
> only reaction on IRC to HUGE bugs and issues was "patches welcome" -
> so my reaction is to not to allow you to deny bugs.

My reaction is to tune right out, because I see you trolling.
Liz


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 09:51:42 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 07:51:42 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3279] Mouse cursor sometimes gets stuck in "busy" state
In-Reply-To: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3279-595-oBZSEyh7ox@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3279

--- Comment #4 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
Responding to a question with another question is evasive and doesn't answer
the original question. I don't think at any time I've not acknowledged real
bugs. This particular one is very likely not in Claws, but in some other part
of your system. Its often the case that bugs in dependencies show themselves in
this manner.

(By the way, I'm just a member of the development team, not "the dev".)

If you "totally expected" this kind of response, why did you bother? And if
your reaction is to "not to allow you to deny bugs", what's your motivation
here? What are you hoping to achieve? Are you on some kind of misguided
crusade??

This is a bug tracker not a discussion forum. As I said previously, it would
have been much better to discuss these points through the usual channels rather
than have a discussion here that detracts from the usefulness of a bug report.

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From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 10:13:24 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 13:43:24 +0530
Subject: [Users] About Kill Filter and pre-processing
Message-ID: <20140906134324.23d23251@smtp.gmail.com>

Dear friends,

I have become an avid fan of Claws-mail
just because it has a pre-processing
filter. I am using it to download only
those emails and news which concern me.

It is wonderful, and I think I could
learn from working on its source code,
and then, in future, could contribute
towards its further improvement.

Where exactly in the source is the
pre-processing code resides?

I see that both filters and pre- and
post- processing options share common
options. What is the exact difference
between the three?

And more importantly, what the option
'kill' in pre-processing exactly does? 

Regards
Rajib Bandopadhyay
______________________________________
Freedom is impossible to perceive
comprehensively by anyone


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 16:03:15 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 14:03:15 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3275] Annoying focus-stealing dialogs if claws can't
 connect or if there's a network issue
In-Reply-To: <bug-3275-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3275-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3275-595-2AgtwinwzY@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3275

Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
How your window manager presents dialogs and handles window focus is completely
out of control of claws-mail.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 16:12:38 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 14:12:38 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3275] Annoying focus-stealing dialogs if claws can't
 connect or if there's a network issue
In-Reply-To: <bug-3275-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3275-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3275-595-noBCcHZvlJ@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3275

--- Comment #2 from nfxjfg at googlemail.com ---
How come claws is the only program that exhibits this behavior?

Maybe you're using a hint you shouldn't be using.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 16:32:41 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 14:32:41 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2965] Encrypted mails are stored unencrypted in
 'Queue' while sending via IMAP
In-Reply-To: <bug-2965-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2965-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2965-595-ZOEZVT1a3t@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2965

--- Comment #3 from innerand <andreas at innerlohninger.at> ---
Created attachment 1428
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1428&action=edit
Claws Mail crypto handling

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep  6 16:34:39 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 14:34:39 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2965] Encrypted mails are stored unencrypted in
 'Queue' while sending via IMAP
In-Reply-To: <bug-2965-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2965-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2965-595-ruhisnY85b@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2965

--- Comment #4 from innerand <andreas at innerlohninger.at> ---
Is anybody still working on that? 

Claws Mail sends emails supposed to be encrypted in clear text to the internet.
In my opinion this is a CRITICAL bug and it is open now for more than a year.

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From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 17:11:35 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 20:41:35 +0530
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
	speed
Message-ID: <20140906204135.1ec01955@smtp.gmail.com>

Dear Friends,

The pre-processing filters make
claws-mail terribly slow to download
posts from newsgroups.

The speed could be sufficiently improved
if the downloads are made
multi-threaded.

Is it possible to improve upon the
download speed?

Could this be implemented please?

Regards
Rajib Bandopadhyay


From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 17:12:35 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 20:42:35 +0530
Subject: [Users] Message folders become unresponsive while Claws-mail is
	downloading
Message-ID: <20140906204235.6f4baa9d@smtp.gmail.com>

Dear friends,

There is another issue with Claws-mail:
when Claws-mail is downloading the
newsgroup posts, the folders become
unresponsive.

There could be an option to make a
shadow copy of the folders when
messages are downloading, to allow
reading, during the period of download.

When messages are downloaded, a refresh
button could be provided to update the
information.

Since news servers don't delete posts,
only the message_Ids could be checked
to determine whether they needs to be
downloaded, and not the header, to
improve speed further.

I hope my suggestions would be given
due consideration.

Regards
Rajib Bandopadhyay


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Sat Sep  6 17:42:51 2014
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 16:42:51 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3279] Mouse cursor sometimes gets stuck in "busy"
 state
In-Reply-To: <20140906173040.61271ae5.edodd55@gmail.com>
References: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3279-595-1o2Rb3MqRq@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140906173040.61271ae5.edodd55@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140906164251.40162d0f@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 17:30:40 +1000
Liz <edodd55 at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Liz,

>My reaction is to tune right out, because I see you trolling.

I have a picture in my head of nfxjfg, having installed CM, clicking
blindly and wildly on almost everything in site, without waiting for
things to run their course before moving on, trying in vain to get CM to
work the way he(1) wants it to.  No wonder CM got its knickers in a
knot.  Now he's behaving like a petulant child.  No detailed info, and
expects things to be 'fixed'.  Nearly all the issues he has could be
sorted by rational discussion here, I'm sure.

My mental image may be wrong but it's going to be very, *very* hard for
nfxjfg to persuade me of it.

(1) it's stereo-typical adolescent male behaviour.

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From buzz at ksys.co.nz  Sat Sep  6 22:41:23 2014
From: buzz at ksys.co.nz (Buzz)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 08:41:23 +1200
Subject: [Users] Message Selected After Filter
Message-ID: <20140907084123.5116ee81@sagitta.notyet>

Hi All,

When I delete a message in a folder the next available message is
selected. This is perfect.

When I run a filter that moves a message, the last message in the folder
is selected. I am trying to find a way to make this behaviour the same
as deleting a message. i.e. next message is selected.

-- 
Cheers

Buzz


From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Sun Sep  7 01:08:57 2014
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 19:08:57 -0400
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3279] Mouse cursor sometimes gets stuck in "busy"
 state
In-Reply-To: <bug-3279-595-hghoh4gTu6@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3279-595-hghoh4gTu6@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20140906190857.55aaecd4@mydesq2.domain.cxm>

On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 07:13:42 +0000
noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote:

> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3279
> 
> --- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
> (In reply to comment #1)
> > It happened to me multiple times. 
> 
> Never happens here. Maybe you want to give more details, like what
> desktop you use, what version. How to trigger it, etc etc. Then this
> report would be more useful. As it is, 'worksforme' is the only
> possible response.
> 
> > If you want to ignore reality - well maybe
> > that's why your software has so many damn bugs.
> 
> Since you've been in "arrogant twat" mode from the start, how do you
> think, in reality, people will respond to that?

LOL!

It must be a full moon. Every Open Source list I'm on, somebody comes
and scolds the developers for not making the software a different way.
I mean yeah, I've done my share of bitching about Claws-Mail, but in
fairness, I actually downloaded the software and tried to fix it, and
would have reported the fix if I'd been successful.

"Arrogant twat", I'll have to remember that for my other mailing lists.

Oh, and by the way, whatever its weaknesses, Claws has the best word
wrap handling and quoted context handling I've seen in an email
client, and that search facility I tried to fix is already the best,
once you get used to it. Thanks for the great software.

SteveT

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Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance



From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Sun Sep  7 01:23:50 2014
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 19:23:50 -0400
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3279] Mouse cursor sometimes gets stuck in "busy"
 state
In-Reply-To: <20140906164251.40162d0f@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3279-595-1o2Rb3MqRq@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140906173040.61271ae5.edodd55@gmail.com>
 <20140906164251.40162d0f@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20140906192350.707b510b@mydesq2.domain.cxm>

On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 16:42:51 +0100
Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 17:30:40 +1000
> Liz <edodd55 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Liz,
> 
> >My reaction is to tune right out, because I see you trolling.
> 
> I have a picture in my head of nfxjfg, having installed CM, clicking
> blindly and wildly on almost everything in site, without waiting for
> things to run their course before moving on, trying in vain to get CM
> to work the way he(1) wants it to.  No wonder CM got its knickers in a
> knot.  Now he's behaving like a petulant child.  No detailed info, and
> expects things to be 'fixed'.  Nearly all the issues he has could be
> sorted by rational discussion here, I'm sure.
> 
> My mental image may be wrong but it's going to be very, *very* hard
> for nfxjfg to persuade me of it.
> 
> (1) it's stereo-typical adolescent male behaviour.

Yeah, well I just went on Medicare and I agree with him.

Seriously, Claws is an acquired taste: In many ways it doesn't work
like other software. Sometimes its interface *is* surprising. But I've
gotten used to it, and rarely get bollixed up anymore.

Here's the thing: All email clients suck. Outlook's a disease ridden
security flaw. Eudora gratuitously separates attachments
from messages, intermittently. Thunderbird's a pig with three broken
legs that got beaten by a snail in its last race. Mutt's nice, but you
have to remember more keystrokes for mutt than you do for Vim.
Evolution's a way of life, not an email client. Kmail is an OS-busting
atrocity. Last time I looked, Sylpheed and Balsa couldn't correctly do
IMAP, and GNUMail didn't work at all. 

When viewed in this context, Claws-Mail is excellent.

SteveT

Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance



From brad at fineby.me.uk  Sun Sep  7 07:41:30 2014
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 06:41:30 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3279] Mouse cursor sometimes gets stuck in "busy"
 state
In-Reply-To: <20140906190857.55aaecd4@mydesq2.domain.cxm>
References: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3279-595-hghoh4gTu6@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140906190857.55aaecd4@mydesq2.domain.cxm>
Message-ID: <20140907064130.0af30e57@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 19:08:57 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

Hello Steve,

>"Arrogant twat", I'll have to remember that for my other mailing lists.

That response was, IMO, remarkably restrained.

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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Buy some love at the five and dime
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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Sun Sep  7 07:40:43 2014
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 06:40:43 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3279] Mouse cursor sometimes gets stuck in "busy"
 state
In-Reply-To: <20140906192350.707b510b@mydesq2.domain.cxm>
References: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3279-595-1o2Rb3MqRq@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140906173040.61271ae5.edodd55@gmail.com>
 <20140906164251.40162d0f@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20140906192350.707b510b@mydesq2.domain.cxm>
Message-ID: <20140907064043.73d1c451@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 19:23:50 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

Hello Steve,

>Yeah, well I just went on Medicare and I agree with him.

So, here's the thing;  There's *plenty* of choice when it comes to
MUAs(1).  If one doesn't fit, try another.

(1)  Pretty much any software, really.

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From peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au  Sun Sep  7 15:32:18 2014
From: peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au (blind Pete)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 23:32:18 +1000
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
 speed
In-Reply-To: <20140906204135.1ec01955@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140906204135.1ec01955@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140907233218.48b7bb79@PPlive>

On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 20:41:35 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Friends,
> 
> The pre-processing filters make
> claws-mail terribly slow to download
> posts from newsgroups.
> 
> The speed could be sufficiently improved
> if the downloads are made
> multi-threaded.
> 
> Is it possible to improve upon the
> download speed?
> 
> Could this be implemented please?
> 
> Regards
> Rajib Bandopadhyay

Consider installing a news spool.  I use leafnode, but there are
others.  The news spooler periodically downloads news posts in 
the background, then your news reader only has to fetch items 
from the hard drive.  

One day I have to get around to configuring dovecot to do the 
same job for mail.  

-- 
testing
bP
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From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 16:13:17 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 19:43:17 +0530
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
	speed
Message-ID: <20140907194317.10fb2bca@smtp.gmail.com>

On 07/09/2014, blind Pete
<peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au> wrote:

 ...
[snipped]
> Consider installing a news spool.  I
> use leafnode, but there are others.
> The news spooler periodically
> downloads news posts in the
> background, then your news reader
> only has to fetch items from the hard
> drive.  
> 
> One day I have to get around to
> configuring dovecot to do the same
> job for mail.  

...
[/snipped]

Dear Sir,
Thank you for your response! I am in the
process of installing leafnode and
stunnel (for SSL), but downloading,
whether in the foreground or background
via leafnode involves wastage of
bandwidth.

On the other hand, Claws-mail, under
your control, has the potential to be
altered to be multi-threaded. Perhaps
it will take no more than a few extra
lines of code.

I have posted on two other topics.
Please combine them for assessment:

(1) 	About Kill Filter and
pre-processing

(2)	Message folders become
unresponsive while Claws-mail is
downloading

I really like claws-mail and have been
anticipating an email client with
pre-filters. It fits that slot
beautifully.

Regards,
Rajib Bandopadhyay


From gheskett at wdtv.com  Sun Sep  7 16:59:25 2014
From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 10:59:25 -0400
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
	speed
In-Reply-To: <20140907233218.48b7bb79@PPlive>
References: <20140906204135.1ec01955@smtp.gmail.com>
 <20140907233218.48b7bb79@PPlive>
Message-ID: <201409071059.25970.gheskett@wdtv.com>

On Sunday 07 September 2014 09:32:18 blind Pete did opine
And Gene did reply:
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 20:41:35 +0530
> 
> Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Friends,
> > 
> > The pre-processing filters make
> > claws-mail terribly slow to download
> > posts from newsgroups.
> > 
> > The speed could be sufficiently improved
> > if the downloads are made
> > multi-threaded.
> > 
> > Is it possible to improve upon the
> > download speed?
> > 
> > Could this be implemented please?
> > 
> > Regards
> > Rajib Bandopadhyay
> 
> Consider installing a news spool.  I use leafnode, but there are
> others.  The news spooler periodically downloads news posts in
> the background, then your news reader only has to fetch items
> from the hard drive.
> 
> One day I have to get around to configuring dovecot to do the
> same job for mail.

That would probably, in the long view, be a mistake.  I am still doing 
everything by pop3 here, and while kmail CAN do that easily enough, its a 
job its ill suited for because its single threaded.

So I have, for nearly a decade now, offloaded that mail fetching duty to 
fetchmail, which hands it off to procmail for filtering and delivery into 
a /var/spool/mail/name mailfile.

And I have a session of inotifywait that dies, reporting which of these 
name files has been updated, and when it dies, it then sends kmail over 
the dbus, a go fetch the mail command, and the parent script then restarts 
it to wait for the next mail arrival, and kmail is only configured to 
fetch the mail from /var/spool/mail, and that it can do it 10 
milliseconds.  All the other mail fetching activity is a background task 
this multicore machine handles with no visible or feelable side effects.

So regardless of your favorite email agent, off loading the online mail 
fetching activities to something designed to be a background task will be 
a genuine enhancement to your enjoyment because you'll never have to wait 
30+ seconds for it to process and deliver your incoming mail in the middle 
of typing an answer to a previously received email.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
US V Castleman, SCOTUS, Mar 2014 is grounds for Impeaching SCOTUS


From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Sun Sep  7 17:08:10 2014
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 11:08:10 -0400
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
 speed
In-Reply-To: <20140907194317.10fb2bca@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140907194317.10fb2bca@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140907110810.262915f3@mydesq2.domain.cxm>

On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 19:43:17 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote:

> On the other hand, Claws-mail, under
> your control, has the potential to be
> altered to be multi-threaded. Perhaps
> it will take no more than a few extra
> lines of code.

You should probably download and look at the code before thinking there
would be any possibility of multithreading might be a few extra lines
of code.

I once tried to add code to turn the regular (not the extended) search
into a recursive search. That sounds simple, doesn't it? It wasn't. I
gave up after three hours of trying to figure out which code to put in
a recursive loop.

SteveT

Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance



From jerry at seibercom.net  Sun Sep  7 17:15:58 2014
From: jerry at seibercom.net (Jerry)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 11:15:58 -0400
Subject: [Users] OL: Re: Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded
 for speed
In-Reply-To: <20140907194317.10fb2bca@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140907194317.10fb2bca@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140907111558.039332ea@scorpio>

On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 19:43:17 +0530, Rajib Bandopadhyay stated:

> On 07/09/2014, blind Pete
> <peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au> wrote:
> 
>  ...
> [snipped]
> > Consider installing a news spool.  I
> > use leafnode, but there are others.
> > The news spooler periodically
> > downloads news posts in the
> > background, then your news reader
> > only has to fetch items from the hard
> > drive.  
> > 
> > One day I have to get around to
> > configuring dovecot to do the same
> > job for mail.  
> 
> ...
> [/snipped]
> 
> Dear Sir,
> Thank you for your response! I am in the
> process of installing leafnode and
> stunnel (for SSL), but downloading,
> whether in the foreground or background
> via leafnode involves wastage of
> bandwidth.
> 
> On the other hand, Claws-mail, under
> your control, has the potential to be
> altered to be multi-threaded. Perhaps
> it will take no more than a few extra
> lines of code.
> 
> I have posted on two other topics.
> Please combine them for assessment:
> 
> (1) 	About Kill Filter and
> pre-processing
> 
> (2)	Message folders become
> unresponsive while Claws-mail is
> downloading
> 
> I really like claws-mail and have been
> anticipating an email client with
> pre-filters. It fits that slot
> beautifully.
> 
> Regards,
> Rajib Bandopadhyay

Rajib, I was just wondering why you are sending in line lengths of what
appear to be 40 characters? It makes it a lot harder to read than a normal 70
- 80 character line.

-- 
Jerry


From ricardo at mones.org  Sun Sep  7 17:46:56 2014
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:46:56 +0200
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
 speed
In-Reply-To: <20140907194317.10fb2bca@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140907194317.10fb2bca@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140907174656.339b75f1@sumiciu>

On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 19:43:17 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote:

> On the other hand, Claws-mail, under
> your control, has the potential to be
> altered to be multi-threaded. Perhaps
> it will take no more than a few extra
> lines of code.

Priceless! Best joke on this list in years!

Thanks for the amusing moment :-)
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  You have the capacity to learn from mistakes. You'll learn a lot 
  today.                                           /usr/games/fortune
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From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 18:51:55 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:21:55 +0530
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
	speed
Message-ID: <20140907222155.6e70d599@smtp.gmail.com>

On 07/09/2014, Ricardo Mones
<ricardo at mones.org> wrote:
...
[snipped]
>> ... Perhaps
>> it will take no more than a few extra
>> lines of code.
> 
> Priceless! Best joke on this list in
> years!
> 
> Thanks for the amusing moment :-)
...
[/snipped]

Please, Sir! Your email is being
perceived to hurt my feelings and insult
me for my trust upon you. When I wrote
the lines I was _not_ considering my
abilities, but my belief and confidence
about _your_ abilities.

What I tried to convey was that there
already are code-snippets lying there
to be utilised. I meant that you needed
a few original lines of codes and
editing to sew everything together
seamlessly.

The same reply goes for Steve, whose
message is posted below.

On 07/09/2014, Steve Litt
<slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

[snipped]
...
> You should probably download and look
> at the code before thinking there
> would be any possibility of
> multithreading might be a few extra
> lines of code.
> 
> I once tried to add code to turn the
> regular (not the extended) search
> into a recursive search. That sounds
> simple, doesn't it? It wasn't. I gave
> up after three hours of trying to
> figure out which code to put in a
> recursive loop.
...
[/snipped]

Dear Sir,
I probably have more faith on you than
you have on yourself. I have covered my
reply to your post in my reply to Mr.
Mones's email.


On 07/09/2014, Gene Heskett
<gheskett at wdtv.com> wrote:

...
[snipped]

> That would probably, in the long
> view, be a mistake.  I am still doing
> everything by pop3 here, and while
> kmail CAN do that easily enough, its
> a job its ill suited for because its
> single threaded.
> 
> So I have, for nearly a decade now,
> offloaded that mail fetching duty to
> fetchmail, which hands it off to
> procmail for filtering and delivery
> into a /var/spool/mail/name mailfile.
> 
> And I have a session of inotifywait
> that dies, reporting which of these
> name files has been updated, and when
> it dies, it then sends kmail over the
> dbus, a go fetch the mail command,
> and the parent script then restarts
> it to wait for the next mail arrival,
> and kmail is only configured to fetch
> the mail from /var/spool/mail, and
> that it can do it 10 milliseconds.
> All the other mail fetching activity
> is a background task this multicore
> machine handles with no visible or
> feelable side effects.

...
[/snipped]

Sir, I believe, then making claws-mail
multi-threaded would solve all the
issues about fetchmail, procmail and a
native pop3 email client running with
scripts alongside it!

And I am sure people who have designed
and built Claws-mail have the ability
to have this ability built into it.
From what I have observed, I see that
claws-mail is only a micron away from
achieving that milestone.

Tell me, Sir, which other email-client
that you have come across, has a
pre-processing option available to it?

I hope I have been able to convey my
intent in this message, and apologise
for any inadvertent hurt caused by my
earlier email. It was not at all my
intent to hurt you, but to expect
eagerly that Claws-mail fulfils its
promise as the_ email-client of choice
in future, and also that you fulfil the
promise you have shown in bringing
Claws to where it is now.

My best wishes and regards,
Rajib Bandopadhyay


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 19:18:28 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 17:18:28 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2965] Encrypted mails are stored unencrypted in
 'Queue' while sending via IMAP
In-Reply-To: <bug-2965-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2965-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2965-595-4ceJt8As6D@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2965

--- Comment #5 from Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk> ---
Please see comment #1

This prevents any composed email prior to encryption or otherwise being stored
on am IMAP server. It is completely effective.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 19:22:37 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 17:22:37 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3275] Annoying focus-stealing dialogs if claws can't
 connect or if there's a network issue
In-Reply-To: <bug-3275-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3275-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3275-595-lj2TELtYCi@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3275

--- Comment #3 from Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk> ---
There is a hidden preference to allow rotating certificate problems to be
ignored, I forget the exact syntax but it does work.

I assume that when a real certificate change occurs you want to be able to
check it. I think this works, it certainly does for me.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 19:27:50 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 17:27:50 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3276] No convenient way to quickly mark mails as read
In-Reply-To: <bug-3276-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3276-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3276-595-usGmRssHnW@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3276

--- Comment #7 from Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk> ---
Why not come and discuss things like this on the mailing list?

Answers usually arrive pretty quickly.

Does IceWM allow changes to accelerator keys if you hover over the menu entry
and press the key combo you want. This is how GNOME does it...

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 19:47:34 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 17:47:34 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3275] Annoying focus-stealing dialogs if claws can't
 connect or if there's a network issue
In-Reply-To: <bug-3275-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3275-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3275-595-1Kik3g9BM6@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3275

--- Comment #4 from brad at fineby.me.uk <brad at fineby.me.uk> ---
(In reply to comment #3)
> There is a hidden preference to allow rotating certificate problems to be
> ignored, I forget the exact syntax but it does work.

That's the "live_dangerously" option.  It's global though.  There's now a per
account setting (SSL - Automatically accept unknown valid SSL certificates)

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 19:52:45 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 18:52:45 +0100
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
 speed
In-Reply-To: <20140907222155.6e70d599@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140907222155.6e70d599@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140907185245.17c6cd6e@thewildbeast>

On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:21:55 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote: 

> What I tried to convey was that there
> already are code-snippets lying there
> to be utilised. I meant that you needed
> a few original lines of codes and
> editing to sew everything together
> seamlessly.

I don't know what you've seen, but I can't see it.

with regards

Paul


-- 
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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Sun Sep  7 20:06:30 2014
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 14:06:30 -0400
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
 speed
In-Reply-To: <20140907222155.6e70d599@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140907222155.6e70d599@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140907140630.0d4960f7@mydesq2.domain.cxm>

On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:21:55 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 07/09/2014, Ricardo Mones
> <ricardo at mones.org> wrote:
> ...
> [snipped]
> >> ... Perhaps
> >> it will take no more than a few extra
> >> lines of code.
> > 
> > Priceless! Best joke on this list in
> > years!
> > 
> > Thanks for the amusing moment :-)
> ...
> [/snipped]
> 
> Please, Sir! Your email is being
> perceived to hurt my feelings and insult
> me 

[snip]

> 
> The same reply goes for Steve, whose
> message is posted below.

So should we take your assertion, that I insulted you just like Ricardo
supposedly did, to be a refusal to download the code and look at it?

Look at the code, Rajib, and then give us your opinion of how hard or
easy it will be to put in threading. This isn't an insult, but I
suppose it could be considered a challenge.

SteveT

Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


> 
> On 07/09/2014, Steve Litt
> <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> 
> [snipped]
> ...
> > You should probably download and look
> > at the code before thinking there
> > would be any possibility of
> > multithreading might be a few extra
> > lines of code.
> > 
> > I once tried to add code to turn the
> > regular (not the extended) search
> > into a recursive search. That sounds
> > simple, doesn't it? It wasn't. I gave
> > up after three hours of trying to
> > figure out which code to put in a
> > recursive loop.
> ...




From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 20:16:23 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 18:16:23 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2965] Encrypted mails are stored unencrypted in
 'Queue' while sending via IMAP
In-Reply-To: <bug-2965-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2965-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2965-595-na3SAojvN5@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2965

--- Comment #6 from innerand <andreas at innerlohninger.at> ---
Well that might be an workaround but it doesn't fix the bug. Whereby it is also
not good practice to write encrypted mails in clear text to disk. 

Is it that hard to encrypt mails before sending them to Queue?

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From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 20:45:54 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 00:15:54 +0530
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
 speed
Message-ID: <20140908001554.3a7e4a17@smtp.gmail.com>

On 07/09/2014, Paul
<claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote: ...
...
[/snipped]
> I don't know what you've seen, but I
> can't see it.
...
[/snipped]

Dear Sir,
My brief answer would be:
httrack and webhttrack...
The spider, crawler, whatever you may
call it.


From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 20:46:15 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 00:16:15 +0530
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
 speed
Message-ID: <20140908001615.6cc0ab50@smtp.gmail.com>

On 07/09/2014, Steve Litt
<slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

...
[snipped]
> So should we take your assertion,
> that I insulted you just like Ricardo
> supposedly did, to be a refusal to
> download the code and look at it?
...

[/snipped]

No, but that that there already are
code-snippets lying there to be
utilised. I meant that you needed a few
original lines of codes and editing to
sew everything together seamlessly.


...
> Look at the code, Rajib, and then
> give us your opinion of how hard or
> easy it will be to put in threading.
> This isn't an insult, but I suppose
> it could be considered a challenge.
...
[/snipped]

:D LOL Please don't dissect my email
and quote me out of context, I beg you!

Please interpret my post in its
entirety, from the bird's eye view.

Then, please try to see the obvious
truth -- had I perceived myself to be
able to write those codes myself why
would I appeal to you?!

And I am, in the end, an end-user who
has now just begun to visualise the real
outcome of this OSS collaboration --
that we are one super-organism at at
abstract level!

I am reading the codes, if you have
read my earlier posts, and had
requested for directions to look at a
particular outcome in one of my posts.

When I am ready you won't need to throw
me a challenge. Open source is not
about challenges. It is about
collaboration. We try to do what we do
best, and the rest will be taken care
by someone else, and things would
proceed beyond our perception. Let us
understand our role here as being that
of complementarity. Otherwise, the OSS
project would fail.

My goal is _not_ to rub you the wrong
way, _not_ to rub your egos. My goal is
to prod you to supersede yourselves as
programmers.

My best wishes,
Rajib Bandopadhyay


From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 20:56:12 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 00:26:12 +0530
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
 speed
Message-ID: <20140908002612.18df8afb@smtp.gmail.com>

On 08/09/2014, Rajib Bandopadhyay
<bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> [/snipped]
> 
> Dear Sir,
> My brief answer would be:
> httrack and webhttrack...
> The spider, crawler, whatever you may
> call it. ...
> [/snipped]

How it uses multi-threading to crawl
and collect information, and that
multi-threading option is
user-controlled.

Regards


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Sep  7 21:53:37 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 20:53:37 +0100
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
 speed
In-Reply-To: <20140908002612.18df8afb@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140908002612.18df8afb@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140907205337.6a5d46bd@thewildbeast>

On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 00:26:12 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote: 

> On 08/09/2014, Rajib Bandopadhyay
> <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...
> > [/snipped]
> > 
> > Dear Sir,
> > My brief answer would be:
> > httrack and webhttrack...
> > The spider, crawler, whatever you may
> > call it. ...
> > [/snipped]  
> 
> How it uses multi-threading to crawl
> and collect information, and that
> multi-threading option is
> user-controlled.

Ahh, right. OK. It all sounds so simple when you put it like that. So
we'll be seeing your patch in, say, a month??

On the other hand, it could be that your way off the mark and it's
actually a lot more complex than you imagine.

with regards

Paul


-- 
Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières


From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Mon Sep  8 00:37:21 2014
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 18:37:21 -0400
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
 speed
In-Reply-To: <20140908001615.6cc0ab50@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140908001615.6cc0ab50@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140907183721.4318e412@mydesq2.domain.cxm>

On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 00:16:15 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote:


> And I am, in the end, an end-user who
> has now just begun to visualise the real
> outcome of this OSS collaboration --
> that we are one super-organism at at
> abstract level!

As an end user, perhaps you'd like to see how I filter messages
*before* they're placed in my IMAP server. It's an interesting trick. I
just placed this in my badguys.rc, which a program that I wrote, out of
snippets laying around, converts to my .procmailrc:

==============================================
# Make claws threaded using a few snippets laying around
:0:
* ^From:.*bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com
* ^List-Id:.*users.lists.claws-mail.org
$GARBAGE
==============================================

Cool, huh?


SteveT

Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance



From itz at buug.org  Mon Sep  8 00:56:46 2014
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 15:56:46 -0700
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3279] Mouse cursor sometimes gets stuck in "busy"
 state
In-Reply-To: <20140906192350.707b510b@mydesq2.domain.cxm>
References: <bug-3279-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3279-595-1o2Rb3MqRq@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140906173040.61271ae5.edodd55@gmail.com>
 <20140906164251.40162d0f@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <20140906192350.707b510b@mydesq2.domain.cxm>
Message-ID: <20140907155646.5a5233ca.itz@buug.org>

On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 19:23:50 -0400,
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

Steve> Here's the thing: All email clients suck. Outlook's a disease
Steve> ridden security flaw. Eudora gratuitously separates attachments
Steve> from messages, intermittently. Thunderbird's a pig with three
Steve> broken legs that got beaten by a snail in its last race. Mutt's
Steve> nice, but you have to remember more keystrokes for mutt than you
Steve> do for Vim.

IMAP is still a 2nd class citizen in Mutt.  The basics work, but if you
know what it can do with local mailboxes, you'll be disappointed.

Steve> Evolution's a way of life, not an email client. Kmail is an
Steve> OS-busting atrocity. Last time I looked, Sylpheed and Balsa
Steve> couldn't correctly do IMAP, and GNUMail didn't work at all.

Steve> When viewed in this context, Claws-Mail is excellent.

Sad but true, and I tried them all (well, almost - not the Windoze ones).

Which means reading Brad's reply triggers negative emotions.

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From itz at buug.org  Mon Sep  8 01:12:36 2014
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 16:12:36 -0700
Subject: [Users] Rajib's posts [Was: Downloads for offline use need to be
 multi-threaded for speed]
In-Reply-To: <20140907111558.039332ea@scorpio>
References: <20140907194317.10fb2bca@smtp.gmail.com>
 <20140907111558.039332ea@scorpio>
Message-ID: <20140907161236.64035a3e.itz@buug.org>

On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 11:15:58 -0400,
Jerry <jerry at seibercom.net> wrote:

Rajib> I really like claws-mail and have been anticipating an email
Rajib> client with pre-filters. It fits that slot beautifully.

Jerry> Rajib, I was just wondering why you are sending in line lengths
Jerry> of what appear to be 40 characters? It makes it a lot harder to
Jerry> read than a normal 70 - 80 character line.

And not properly replying / referencing, so every one of his posts
appears to start a new thread. (apologies for the unintended pun)

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From codejodler at gmx.ch  Mon Sep  8 02:26:33 2014
From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 02:26:33 +0200
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
 speed
In-Reply-To: <20140907110810.262915f3@mydesq2.domain.cxm>
References: <20140907194317.10fb2bca@smtp.gmail.com>
 <20140907110810.262915f3@mydesq2.domain.cxm>
Message-ID: <20140908022633.15a131d0@mirrors.kernel.org>

Dear Sirs :)

I've read this thread with much joy. Still, there was a serious request and somehow, i feel that there was no clear answer to Rajib so far. 
Without having looked at the code, i imagine that it more or less requires a complete rewrite of claws mail to go multi-threaded.
Is that it ?

--Micha

(no fortune today)


From peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au  Mon Sep  8 03:29:57 2014
From: peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au (blind Pete)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 11:29:57 +1000
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
 speed
In-Reply-To: <20140907194317.10fb2bca@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <20140907194317.10fb2bca@smtp.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140908112957.766ad03a@PPlive>

On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 19:43:17 +0530
Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 07/09/2014, blind Pete
> <peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au> wrote:
> 
>  ...
> [snipped]
> > Consider installing a news spool.  I
> > use leafnode, but there are others.
> > The news spooler periodically
> > downloads news posts in the
> > background, then your news reader
> > only has to fetch items from the hard
> > drive.  
> > 
> > One day I have to get around to
> > configuring dovecot to do the same
> > job for mail.  
> 
> ...
> [/snipped]
> 
> Dear Sir,
> Thank you for your response! I am in the
> process of installing leafnode and
> stunnel (for SSL), but downloading,
> whether in the foreground or background
> via leafnode involves wastage of
> bandwidth.

I don't know anything about stunnel.  

Why do you think that leafnode wastes bandwidth?  It only downloads the 
groups that you subscribe to.  The first time it is started it needs
the group list, and then it might download the last thousand messages 
of the groups that you select, but that can be configured to a much 
smaller number and it only happens once.  

> On the other hand, Claws-mail, under
> your control, has the potential to be
> altered to be multi-threaded. Perhaps
> it will take no more than a few extra
> lines of code.

I am not willing to start cutting code, and I used to be a coder.  

A poorly implemented complex design is much worse than a well 
implemented simple design.  Multi-threading rings alarm bells 
in my mind.  If you are confident in your abilities, you are 
very welcome to attempt it yourself.  
 
> I have posted on two other topics.
> Please combine them for assessment:
> 
> (1) 	About Kill Filter and
> pre-processing
> 
> (2)	Message folders become
> unresponsive while Claws-mail is
> downloading
> 
> I really like claws-mail and have been
> anticipating an email client with
> pre-filters. It fits that slot
> beautifully.
> 
> Regards,
> Rajib Bandopadhyay


-- 
testing
bP
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From peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au  Mon Sep  8 04:01:55 2014
From: peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au (blind Pete)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 12:01:55 +1000
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
 speed
In-Reply-To: <201409071059.25970.gheskett@wdtv.com>
References: <20140906204135.1ec01955@smtp.gmail.com>
 <20140907233218.48b7bb79@PPlive>
 <201409071059.25970.gheskett@wdtv.com>
Message-ID: <20140908120155.47a7d615@PPlive>

On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 10:59:25 -0400
Gene Heskett <gheskett at wdtv.com> wrote:

> On Sunday 07 September 2014 09:32:18 blind Pete did opine
> And Gene did reply:
> > On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 20:41:35 +0530
> > 
> > Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dear Friends,
> > > 
> > > The pre-processing filters make
> > > claws-mail terribly slow to download
> > > posts from newsgroups.
> > > 
> > > The speed could be sufficiently improved
> > > if the downloads are made
> > > multi-threaded.
> > > 
> > > Is it possible to improve upon the
> > > download speed?
> > > 
> > > Could this be implemented please?
> > > 
> > > Regards
> > > Rajib Bandopadhyay
> > 
> > Consider installing a news spool.  I use leafnode, but there are
> > others.  The news spooler periodically downloads news posts in
> > the background, then your news reader only has to fetch items
> > from the hard drive.
> > 
> > One day I have to get around to configuring dovecot to do the
> > same job for mail.
> 
> That would probably, in the long view, be a mistake.  I am still
> doing everything by pop3 here, and while kmail CAN do that easily
> enough, its a job its ill suited for because its single threaded.

Kmail?

> So I have, for nearly a decade now, offloaded that mail fetching duty
> to fetchmail, which hands it off to procmail for filtering and
> delivery into a /var/spool/mail/name mailfile.

Books have been written about configuring mail servers.  I find the 
subject a bit daunting.  It would be embarrassing to find that my 
computer was running an open mail relay.  So do it properly or don't 
do it at all, is my position.  

> And I have a session of inotifywait that dies, reporting which of
> these name files has been updated, and when it dies, it then sends
> kmail over the dbus, a go fetch the mail command, and the parent
> script then restarts it to wait for the next mail arrival, and kmail
> is only configured to fetch the mail from /var/spool/mail, and that
> it can do it 10 milliseconds.  All the other mail fetching activity
> is a background task this multicore machine handles with no visible
> or feelable side effects.

You look like you know what you are doing, but I have not come to 
terms with rather a lot of details.  

Why don't you like dovecot?  

> So regardless of your favorite email agent, off loading the online
> mail fetching activities to something designed to be a background
> task will be a genuine enhancement to your enjoyment because you'll
> never have to wait 30+ seconds for it to process and deliver your
> incoming mail in the middle of typing an answer to a previously
> received email.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

There are long undesirable pauses during network activity.  

-- 
testing
bP
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From gheskett at wdtv.com  Mon Sep  8 05:17:18 2014
From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 23:17:18 -0400
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
	speed
In-Reply-To: <20140908120155.47a7d615@PPlive>
References: <20140906204135.1ec01955@smtp.gmail.com>
 <201409071059.25970.gheskett@wdtv.com> <20140908120155.47a7d615@PPlive>
Message-ID: <201409072317.18469.gheskett@wdtv.com>

On Sunday 07 September 2014 22:01:55 blind Pete did opine
And Gene did reply:
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 10:59:25 -0400
> 
> Gene Heskett <gheskett at wdtv.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday 07 September 2014 09:32:18 blind Pete did opine
> > 
> > And Gene did reply:
> > > On Sat, 6 Sep 2014 20:41:35 +0530
> > > 
> > > Rajib Bandopadhyay <bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Dear Friends,
> > > > 
> > > > The pre-processing filters make
> > > > claws-mail terribly slow to download
> > > > posts from newsgroups.
> > > > 
> > > > The speed could be sufficiently improved
> > > > if the downloads are made
> > > > multi-threaded.
> > > > 
> > > > Is it possible to improve upon the
> > > > download speed?
> > > > 
> > > > Could this be implemented please?
> > > > 
> > > > Regards
> > > > Rajib Bandopadhyay
> > > 
> > > Consider installing a news spool.  I use leafnode, but there are
> > > others.  The news spooler periodically downloads news posts in
> > > the background, then your news reader only has to fetch items
> > > from the hard drive.
> > > 
> > > One day I have to get around to configuring dovecot to do the
> > > same job for mail.
> > 
> > That would probably, in the long view, be a mistake.  I am still
> > doing everything by pop3 here, and while kmail CAN do that easily
> > enough, its a job its ill suited for because its single threaded.
> 
> Kmail?
> 
> > So I have, for nearly a decade now, offloaded that mail fetching duty
> > to fetchmail, which hands it off to procmail for filtering and
> > delivery into a /var/spool/mail/name mailfile.
> 
> Books have been written about configuring mail servers.  I find the
> subject a bit daunting.  It would be embarrassing to find that my
> computer was running an open mail relay.  So do it properly or don't
> do it at all, is my position.

I never said anything about a server.  Fetchmail sends mailfilter out to 
check my 3 ISP accounts, one of which is not an actual ISP, but is my 
former employers own mail server, a qmail install that is now 15 years 
old.  My old employee account is a lifetime account IOW.  The other two 
are gmail hosted, and while I nuke a googlegroups message on reception, I 
do tolerate gmail as its not nearly so screwed up

When mailfilter is finished, and it checks for known spam and deletes a 
few of them in the process, but I have to compose the killfile list 
myself.  Then whats left, fetchmail downloads and hands it off to 
procmail, which runs it thru clamav, and passing that, then runs it thru 
spamassassin, which will reroute some of it to the spam folder so I can 
check to see if it really was spam.  If something gets nailed, I can then 
move it to the ham folder, and a few minutes after midnight a session of 
sa-learn --ham is run on the ham folder, and another session of sa-learn 
--spam is run on the spam folder, activities intended to train 
spamassassin.  All cron jobs that once setup can be forgotten as they Just 
Work(TM). 

Whats left is then written to /var/spool/mail/gene, and when that file is 
closed, inotifywait triggers, a dbus message is sent to kmail telling it 
to go get the local mail, which it can do in 5 to 200 milliseconds.  There 
is a bit more to it, but thats the invisible blow by blow.

Yes, I've been fine tuning on bash scripts for about 15 years now, its 
actually a quite capable script interpreter.  Use it, and cron to make 
your online life 90% easier.

My biggest problem with kmail is that my email corpus is some north of 
20Gb, and it doesn't do its housekeeping often enough, so when about 1000 
read emails have been processed, it starts taking way too long for the 
plus key to bring up the next message.  But I've found that stopping it, 
which is where it does some of that housekeeping, and immediately 
restarting it brings back the nice snappy next message function.

My second biggest problem with kmail is that the various account settings 
each sent message references, all have sticky checkboxes, but they do not 
work about once a day, so before I click send, I have to read the header 
and make sure its going out through the correct account, the one I used to 
subscribe to the list with.

Other than those 2 items, I am a happy kmail user since about 1999.
 
> You look like you know what you are doing, but I have not come to
> terms with rather a lot of details.
> 
> Why don't you like dovecot?

Dovecot is not an email agent, it is an imap server.  For starters, the 
problems I see going by on that list are the teething problems of a new 
protocol.  But neither Dovecot nor imap are newbies.  It also adds 
complexity to the email system, IMO way more than my "bandaids" that fix a 
specific problem are.  By now it should be fairly mature, but its not 
acting that way to me.

For 2nd starters, neither claws nor Dovecot has any facilities to allow it 
to import the mixture of maildir and mailfile kmail is using.  And yes, I 
have asked, on both this list and the Dovecot list at least 3 times about 
that.  A new file format, mndir? or at least a new name for something that 
from what I read here, acts much like a maildir.  But I haven't found a 
description so I could understand the difference.  Or even why the 
difference exists.  There must be an advantage to it, but even that 
doesn't seem to have been discussed since I subscribed to the list about 1 
year back in anticipation of having to upgrade to at least ubu 14.04.2. It 
seems to be treated as if everybody should intimately know already.

> > So regardless of your favorite email agent, off loading the online
> > mail fetching activities to something designed to be a background
> > task will be a genuine enhancement to your enjoyment because you'll
> > never have to wait 30+ seconds for it to process and deliver your
> > incoming mail in the middle of typing an answer to a previously
> > received email.
> > 
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 
> There are long undesirable pauses during network activity.

With my way of doing it, those pauses are perhaps 200ms long worst case 
now.  It  doesn't kmail take very long to fetch a new message from the 
local mail spool.

But I am not trying to badmouth claws too much, the nightmares with the 
newer versions of kmail continue apace on the ubu lists.  And some of them 
are IMO not excusable, one fellow lost his inbox, with messages several 
years old the other day.  That's downright scary.  I suspect it was a 
loose nut behind the wheel that caused it, but still...  And of course the 
guy has no clue what a backup is.  Amanda saves this system nightly.

I can have that inbox recovered to the status it was in at about 1:30 AM 
in perhaps 15 to 20 minutes.  I do backups as virtual tapes, but on a big 
disk so a recovery doesn't involve a long session of reading a tape, 
forced because the tape is sequential access, but the disk is truly 
random.

This has turned into the weekly fishwrap, the only thing missing is the 
obit pages. ;-)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 06:00:06 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 09:30:06 +0530
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
 speed
Message-ID: <20140908093006.5a1f62ab@smtp.gmail.com>

On 08/09/2014, Steve Litt
<slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

...
[snipped] 
> I just placed this in my badguys.rc,
> which a program that I wrote, out of
> snippets laying around, converts to
> my .procmailrc:
> 
> ==============================================
> # Make claws threaded using a few
> snippets laying around :0:
> * ^From:.*bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com
> *
> ^List-Id:.*users.lists.claws-mail.org
> $GARBAGE
> ==============================================
> 
> Cool, huh?
...
[/snipped]

Dear Sir,

So now you equate me as one of those
bad guys sending spams?! ;)

On a serious note -  actually, no,
procmail.rc isn't cool for me. Suppose I
determine you have very interesting
things to say but there is a message
which contains a lot of the slangs that
you commonly use, such as, m**f**, fu**,
di**, ar**, et al.

I would like you to create a rule in
your badguy.rc which can filter out
this particular message but allow
everything else. Also, eliminate
messages that are irrelevant.

So, you see this can't be achieved by
filters and having a server in your
system, because a local server will
download those messages to the system,
and then the system will eliminate those
messages. Waste of bandwidth.

This can be done specifically by
Claws-mail filter, by creating
pre-processing rule, like if the body
of the message contains m**f**,
fu**, di**, ar**, (and add some
choicest of your slangs) then don't
download the message. Also, message
elimination is possible by using
keywords you used while messaging, if
those keywords are not there then don't
download messages.

I hope you can show me otherwise. Then
we could use those code-snippets.:) :D

Regards,
Rajib Bandopadhyay


From bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 07:23:46 2014
From: bkpsusmitaa at gmail.com (Rajib Bandopadhyay)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:53:46 +0530
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
 speed
Message-ID: <20140908105346.08b0be10@smtp.gmail.com>

On 08/09/2014, Paul
<claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

...

[snipped]

> Ahh, right. OK. It all sounds so
> simple when you put it like that. So
> we'll be seeing your patch in, say, a
> month??
>
> On the other hand, it could be that
> your way off the mark and it's
> actually a lot more complex than you
> imagine.
...
[/snipped]

No, I am confident on your abilities as
coders. I found the following
interesting. I looked into the code,
not because someone threw me a
challenge, but to see for myself the
complexity of the issue.
Multi-threading is not as difficult as
it sounds. We need to think how wiki
collaboratively update a single
document.

Again, please don't challenge me to
write multi-threading codes similar to
wiki to update the local folders with
each instance of input by each separate
members of the multi-thread. :)

In the end, I am a lazy coder, and my
background is physics, not computer
science. But I have tremendous
interest in everything under the sun.

The codes to limit multi-threading in
httrack:
(1) In source file htsopt.h

  float maxconn;                //
  nombre max de connexions/s


(2) In source file htslib.c
  opt->maxconn = 5.0;           //
nombre connexions/s

(3) In source file htalias.c
const char *hts_optalias[][4] = {
...
{"sockets", "-c", "param", "number of
simultaneous connections allowed"},
    {"socket", "-c", "param", "number
of simultaneous connections allowed"},
    {"connection", "-c", "param",
    "number of simultaneous connections
    allowed"},

(4) In source file htscoremain.c
    /* Enforce limits to avoid
bandwidth abuse. The bypass_limits
should only be used by administrators
and experts. */ if
(!opt->bypass_limits) { if (opt->maxsoc
<= 0 || opt->maxsoc > 8) { opt->maxsoc
= 8; hts_log_print(opt, LOG_WARNING, "*
security warning: maximum number of
simultaneous connections limited to %d
to avoid server overload", (int)
opt->maxsoc); } if (opt->maxrate <= 0
|| opt->maxrate > 250000)
{ opt->maxrate = 250000;
hts_log_print(opt, LOG_WARNING, "*
security warning: maximum bandwidth
limited to %d to avoid server
overload", (int) opt->maxrate); } if
(opt->maxconn <= 0 || opt->maxconn >
5.0) { opt->maxconn = 5.0;
hts_log_print(opt, LOG_WARNING, "*
security warning: maximum number of
connections per second limited to %f to
avoid server overload", (float)
opt->maxconn); } } else
{ hts_log_print(opt, LOG_WARNING, "*
security warning: !!! BYPASSING
SECURITY LIMITS - MONITOR THIS SESSION
WITH EXTREME CARE !!!"); }

(5) (A) In source file htscore.c

  // connect limiter
  if (n > 0 && opt->maxconn > 0 &&
  HTS_STAT.last_connect > 0) { TStamp
  opTime = HTS_STAT.last_request ?
  HTS_STAT.last_request :
  HTS_STAT.last_connect; TStamp cTime =
  mtime_local(); TStamp lap = (cTime -
  opTime); TStamp minLap = (TStamp)
  (1000.0 / opt->maxconn);

    if (lap < minLap) {
      n = 0;
    } else if (minLap != 0) {
      int nMax = (int) (lap / minLap);

      n = min(n, nMax);
    }
  }

  return n;
}

and
(5)(B)   if (from->maxconn > 0)
    to->maxconn = from->maxconn;

(6) HTSEXT_API void qsec2str is a
function I find important, defined in
httrack-library.h and active in
conversion in htslib.c
// idem, plus court (chaine)
HTSEXT_API void qsec2str(char *st,
TStamp t) {
  int j, h, m, s;

(7) There are source files such as
htsftp.c, htscore.c and htslib.c that
sets the timestamp via TStamp, TStamp
plays an important role in controlling
the simultaneous connections indirectly.

(8) In source file htsback.c
// clear, or leave for keep-alive
void back_maydeletehttp(httrackp * opt,
cache_back * cache, struct_back *
sback, const int p) { lien_back *const
back = sback->lnk; const int back_max =
sback->count; TStamp lt = 0;

  assertf(p >= 0 && p < back_max);
  if (back[p].r.soc != INVALID_SOCKET) {
    int q;

    if (back[p].r.soc !=
    INVALID_SOCKET /* security check */
    && back[p].r.statuscode >= 0    /*
    no timeout errors & co */ &&
    back[p].r.keep_alive_trailers ==
    0   /* not yet supported (chunk
    trailers) */ /* Socket not in I/O
    error status */
    && !back[p].r.is_file
    && !check_sockerror(back[p].r.soc) /*
    Keep-alive authorized by user */
    && !opt->nokeepalive /* Socket
    currently is keep-alive! */ &&
    back[p].r.keep_alive /* Remaining
    authorized requests */ &&
    back[p].r.keep_alive_max > 1 /*
    Known keep-alive start (security)
    */ && back[p].ka_time_start /*
    We're on time */ && (lt =
    time_local()) <
    back[p].ka_time_start +
    back[p].r.keep_alive_t /*
    Connection delay must not exceed
    keep-alive timeout */ &&
    (opt->maxconn <= 0 ||
    (back[p].r.keep_alive_t > (1.0 /
    opt->maxconn))) /* Available slot
    in backing */ && (q =
    back_search(opt, sback)) >= 0)
    { lien_back tmp;

      strcpybuff(tmp.url_adr,
      back[p].url_adr);
      tmp.ka_time_start =
      back[p].ka_time_start;
      deletehttp(&back[q].r);   //
      security check
      back_connxfr(&back[p].r,
      &back[q].r);     // transfer live
      connection settings from p to q
      back[q].ka_time_start =
      back[p].ka_time_start;    //
      refresh back[p].r.soc =
      INVALID_SOCKET;
      strcpybuff(back[q].url_adr,
      tmp.url_adr); // address
      back[q].ka_time_start =
      tmp.ka_time_start; back[q].status
      = STATUS_ALIVE;    // alive &
      waiting
      assertf(back[q].ka_time_start !=
      0); hts_log_print(opt, LOG_DEBUG,
      "(Keep-Alive): successfully
      preserved #%d (%s)",
      back[q].r.debugid,
      back[q].url_adr); } else
      { deletehttp(&back[p].r);
      back[p].r.soc =
      INVALID_SOCKET; } } }

(9) In the source file htsparse.c

      // autres occupations de HTTrack:
      statistiques, boucle d'attente,
      etc. if ((opt->makestat) ||
      (opt->maketrack)) { TStamp l =
      time_local();

        if ((int) (l - makestat_time)
        >= 60) { if (makestat_fp !=
        NULL) { fspc(NULL, makestat_fp,
        "info"); fprintf(makestat_fp,
                    "Rate= %d (/"
        LLintP ") \11NewLinks= %d
        (/%d)" LF, (int)
        ((HTS_STAT.HTS_TOTAL_RECV -
        *stre->makestat_total_) / (l -
        makestat_time)), (LLint)
        HTS_STAT.HTS_TOTAL_RECV, (int)
        opt->lien_tot -
        *stre->makestat_lnk_, (int)
        opt->lien_tot);
        fflush(makestat_fp);
        *stre->makestat_total_ =
        HTS_STAT.HTS_TOTAL_RECV;
        *stre->makestat_lnk_ =
        heap_top_index(); } if
        (stre->maketrack_fp != NULL)
        { int i;

            fspc(NULL,
            stre->maketrack_fp,
            "info");
            fprintf(stre->maketrack_fp,
            LF); for(i = 0; i <
            back_max; i++)
            { back_info(sback, i, 3,
            stre->maketrack_fp); }
            fprintf(stre->maketrack_fp,
            LF);
            fflush(stre->maketrack_fp);

          }
          makestat_time = l;
        }
      }

      /* cancel links */
      {
        int i;
        char *s;

        while((s =
        hts_cancel_file_pop(opt)) !=
        NULL) { if (strnotempty(s))
        { // fichier à canceller for(i
        = 0; i < back_max; i++) { if
        ((back[i].status > 0)) { if
        (strcmp(back[i].url_sav, s) ==
        0) {  // ok trouvé if
        (back[i].status != 1000) { #if
        HTS_DEBUG_CLOSESOCK
        DEBUG_W("user cancel:
        deletehttp\n"); #endif if
        (back[i].r.soc !=
        INVALID_SOCKET)
        deletehttp(&back[i].r);
        back[i].r.soc = INVALID_SOCKET;
        back[i].r.statuscode =
        STATUSCODE_INVALID;
        strcpybuff(back[i].r.msg,
        "Cancelled by User");
        back[i].status = 0; // terminé
        back_set_finished(sback, i); }
        else        // cancel ftp..
        flag à 1 back[i].stop_ftp =
        1; } } } s[0] = '\0'; }
        freet(s); }

        // Transfer rate
        engine_stats();

        // Refresh various stats
        HTS_STAT.stat_nsocket =
        back_nsoc(sback);
        HTS_STAT.stat_errors =
        fspc(opt, NULL, "error");
        HTS_STAT.stat_warnings =
        fspc(opt, NULL, "warning");
        HTS_STAT.stat_infos = fspc(opt,
        NULL, "info"); HTS_STAT.nbk =
        backlinks_done(sback,
        opt->liens, opt->lien_tot,
        ptr); HTS_STAT.nb =
        back_transferred(HTS_STAT.stat_bytes,
        sback);

        if (!RUN_CALLBACK7
            (opt, loop, sback->lnk,
        sback->count, b, ptr,
        opt->lien_tot, (int)
        (time_local() -
        HTS_STAT.stat_timestart),
        &HTS_STAT))
        { hts_log_print(opt, LOG_ERROR,
        "Exit requested by shell or
        user"); *stre->exit_xh_ =
        1;  // exit requested
        XH_uninit; return 0; }

      }

(10) In the source file htsweb.c and
httrack.c

  static TStamp prev_mytime =
  0;        /* ok */ static t_InpInfo
  SInfo;       /* ok */

  //
  TStamp mytime;
  long int rate = 0;

  //

(11) In the file htscore.c TStamp
controls connection limit.

(12) In httrack.h, we have:
  TStamp stat_timestart;

(13) In httrack-library.h, there is 
HTSEXT_API TStamp mtime_local(void);

(14) In htslib.h
HTSEXT_API void qsec2str(char *st,
TStamp t);

There are references of TStamp in
 htsparse.h, htsweb.h, htscore.h,
htsback.h, htsopt.h, htsglobal.h, 
...
Maybe, next time? I am getting tired.


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep  8 09:12:43 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 07:12:43 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3265] procmime.c: unbalanced flockfile() /
	funlockfile()
In-Reply-To: <bug-3265-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3265-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3265-595-SZBfBdFEpr@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3265

--- Comment #1 from Natanael Copa <ncopa at alpinelinux.org> ---
Looks correct to me.

I wonder if it might be an idea to add a wrapper for
procmime_get_tmpfile_in_dir()

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From buzz at ksys.co.nz  Mon Sep  8 10:26:05 2014
From: buzz at ksys.co.nz (Buzz)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 20:26:05 +1200
Subject: [Users] Links In HTML
Message-ID: <20140908202605.6722afce@sagitta.notyet>

Hi All,

I'm running CM 3.8.1 on Debian stable 7.6.

I've noticed occasionally when you click on a hyperlink in an HTML mail
it will not open the browser. Restart CM and all is well.

It does not appear to be isolated to one particular email. When the
hyperlinks fail, they appear to fail in all HTML emails.

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Buzz


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep  8 10:32:00 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 09:32:00 +0100
Subject: [Users] Links In HTML
In-Reply-To: <20140908202605.6722afce@sagitta.notyet>
References: <20140908202605.6722afce@sagitta.notyet>
Message-ID: <20140908093200.4fbaddea@thewildbeast>

On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 20:26:05 +1200
Buzz <buzz at ksys.co.nz> wrote: 

> I'm running CM 3.8.1 on Debian stable 7.6.
> 
> I've noticed occasionally when you click on a hyperlink in an HTML
> mail it will not open the browser. Restart CM and all is well.
> 
> It does not appear to be isolated to one particular email. When the
> hyperlinks fail, they appear to fail in all HTML emails.

3.8.1 is ancient. You didn't say whether this is using the Fancy html
plugin or not. What does the --debug info say at this point?

with regards

Paul


-- 
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From buzz at ksys.co.nz  Mon Sep  8 11:18:04 2014
From: buzz at ksys.co.nz (Buzz)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 21:18:04 +1200
Subject: [Users] Links In HTML
In-Reply-To: <20140908093200.4fbaddea@thewildbeast>
References: <20140908202605.6722afce@sagitta.notyet>
 <20140908093200.4fbaddea@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20140908211804.1e6da01f@sagitta.notyet>

On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 09:32:00 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> > I'm running CM 3.8.1 on Debian stable 7.6.
> > 
> > I've noticed occasionally when you click on a hyperlink in an HTML
> > mail it will not open the browser. Restart CM and all is well.
> > 
> > It does not appear to be isolated to one particular email. When the
> > hyperlinks fail, they appear to fail in all HTML emails.  
> 
> 3.8.1 is ancient. You didn't say whether this is using the Fancy html
> plugin or not. What does the --debug info say at this point?
Running this version simply because it's the one in the Debian
repository.

I will run it out of a terminal in debug mode and let you know.

Thanks.

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From ricardo at mones.org  Mon Sep  8 12:46:21 2014
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 12:46:21 +0200
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
 speed
In-Reply-To: <20140908022633.15a131d0@mirrors.kernel.org>
References: <20140907194317.10fb2bca@smtp.gmail.com>
 <20140907110810.262915f3@mydesq2.domain.cxm>
 <20140908022633.15a131d0@mirrors.kernel.org>
Message-ID: <20140908124621.1705b667@sumiciu>

On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 02:26:33 +0200
Michael <codejodler at gmx.ch> wrote:

> Dear Sirs :)
> 
> I've read this thread with much joy. Still, there was a serious request and somehow, i feel that there was no clear answer to Rajib so far. 
> Without having looked at the code, i imagine that it more or less requires a complete rewrite of claws mail to go multi-threaded.
> Is that it ?

No. Some parts already are already multi-threaded (e.g. IMAP), some not.
Some can be blocking or be run in background depending on configuration
(e.g. POP3 fetching). Is that clear enough? :)
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  Don't take the name of root in vain.          /usr/src/linux/README
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From ricardo at mones.org  Mon Sep  8 14:00:37 2014
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 14:00:37 +0200
Subject: [Users] Links In HTML
In-Reply-To: <20140908211804.1e6da01f@sagitta.notyet>
References: <20140908202605.6722afce@sagitta.notyet>
 <20140908093200.4fbaddea@thewildbeast>
 <20140908211804.1e6da01f@sagitta.notyet>
Message-ID: <20140908140037.39072bff@sumiciu>

On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 21:18:04 +1200
Buzz <buzz at ksys.co.nz> wrote:

> Running this version simply because it's the one in the Debian
> repository.

Backports, which is part of Debian too, contains a more recent
version, see: http://backports.debian.org

Regards,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  Quantity derives from measurement, figures from quantities, 
  comparisons from figures, and victories from comparisons. 
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From codejodler at gmx.ch  Mon Sep  8 14:56:18 2014
From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 14:56:18 +0200
Subject: [Users] Downloads for offline use need to be multi-threaded for
 speed
In-Reply-To: <20140908124621.1705b667@sumiciu>
References: <20140907194317.10fb2bca@smtp.gmail.com>
 <20140907110810.262915f3@mydesq2.domain.cxm>
 <20140908022633.15a131d0@mirrors.kernel.org>
 <20140908124621.1705b667@sumiciu>
Message-ID: <20140908145618.6fe4ea49@mirrors.kernel.org>

Ricardo,

My best idea was that if everything (!) was m.th. (in my understanding that means anything can be happening parallel) then a huge amount of conditional decisions would be quite difficult to solve, and finally require a complete redesign.

The question seemed to be how much work it would take. Like on a scale between 'totally out of question' and 'just a few microns'...

And in the center something like 'quite possible but won't happen in this decade'.

Well, don't let me bother you, it's finally not my request, i'm fine as is.


From pf at pfortin.com  Mon Sep  8 16:29:30 2014
From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:29:30 -0400
Subject: [Users] Links In HTML
In-Reply-To: <20140908202605.6722afce@sagitta.notyet>
References: <20140908202605.6722afce@sagitta.notyet>
Message-ID: <20140908102930.5cce2b46@pfortin.com>

On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 20:26:05 +1200 Buzz wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>I'm running CM 3.8.1 on Debian stable 7.6.
>
>I've noticed occasionally when you click on a hyperlink in an HTML mail
>it will not open the browser. Restart CM and all is well.
>
>It does not appear to be isolated to one particular email. When the
>hyperlinks fail, they appear to fail in all HTML emails.


Are you using KDE for your desktop?

This sounds like a bug in KDE that I've reported; but not seeing much
activity on.

If yes: I can provide more info.
else:   just ignore...  :)

Pierre


From buzz at ksys.co.nz  Mon Sep  8 21:56:46 2014
From: buzz at ksys.co.nz (Buzz)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 07:56:46 +1200
Subject: [Users] Links In HTML
In-Reply-To: <20140908140037.39072bff@sumiciu>
References: <20140908202605.6722afce@sagitta.notyet>
 <20140908093200.4fbaddea@thewildbeast>
 <20140908211804.1e6da01f@sagitta.notyet>
 <20140908140037.39072bff@sumiciu>
Message-ID: <20140909075646.17b8cb90@sagitta.notyet>

On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 14:00:37 +0200
Ricardo Mones <ricardo at mones.org> wrote:

> Backports, which is part of Debian too, contains a more recent
> version, see: http://backports.debian.org
Thank you. I'll have a look.

-- 
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Buzz


From buzz at ksys.co.nz  Mon Sep  8 22:03:31 2014
From: buzz at ksys.co.nz (Buzz)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 08:03:31 +1200
Subject: [Users] Links In HTML
In-Reply-To: <20140908102930.5cce2b46@pfortin.com>
References: <20140908202605.6722afce@sagitta.notyet>
 <20140908102930.5cce2b46@pfortin.com>
Message-ID: <20140909080331.5b34d811@sagitta.notyet>

On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:29:30 -0400
Pierre Fortin <pf at pfortin.com> wrote:

> >Hi All,
> >
> >I'm running CM 3.8.1 on Debian stable 7.6.
> >
> >I've noticed occasionally when you click on a hyperlink in an HTML
> >mail it will not open the browser. Restart CM and all is well.
> >
> >It does not appear to be isolated to one particular email. When the
> >hyperlinks fail, they appear to fail in all HTML emails.  
> 
> 
> Are you using KDE for your desktop?
> 
> This sounds like a bug in KDE that I've reported; but not seeing much
> activity on.
> 
> If yes: I can provide more info.
> else:   just ignore...  :)
No, XFCE4. I did run KDE for a long time but I found the last version
didn't fit me. Claws is my refuge from Kmail ;)

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Buzz


From itz at buug.org  Tue Sep  9 01:16:50 2014
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 16:16:50 -0700
Subject: [Users] Links In HTML
In-Reply-To: <20140909080331.5b34d811@sagitta.notyet>
References: <20140908202605.6722afce@sagitta.notyet>
 <20140908102930.5cce2b46@pfortin.com>
 <20140909080331.5b34d811@sagitta.notyet>
Message-ID: <20140908161650.775838fc.itz@buug.org>

On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 08:03:31 +1200,
Buzz <buzz at ksys.co.nz> wrote:

Buzz> I'm running CM 3.8.1 on Debian stable 7.6.

Buzz> No, XFCE4. I did run KDE for a long time but I found the last
Buzz> version didn't fit me. Claws is my refuge from Kmail ;)

I use the same combination with Xubuntu on my laptop, and I don't see
this problem.  Then again, I don't often follow links from emails.  I'll
try to exercise it a bit more from now on.

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From codejodler at gmx.ch  Tue Sep  9 02:22:35 2014
From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 02:22:35 +0200
Subject: [Users] Links In HTML
In-Reply-To: <20140908161650.775838fc.itz@buug.org>
References: <20140908202605.6722afce@sagitta.notyet>
 <20140908102930.5cce2b46@pfortin.com>
 <20140909080331.5b34d811@sagitta.notyet>
 <20140908161650.775838fc.itz@buug.org>
Message-ID: <20140909022235.4c31c15e@mirrors.kernel.org>

The question would be if claws stuck or the browser. 

You may insert a wrapper script which starts the browser (parsing %s) into Preferences -> External Programs, and make it do some feedback (notify, xmessage, zenity, or just logfile). 


From claws-mail_user at thehugheslogcabin.net  Tue Sep  9 03:20:25 2014
From: claws-mail_user at thehugheslogcabin.net (Michael Hughes)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 20:20:25 -0500
Subject: [Users] Links In HTML
In-Reply-To: <20140909022235.4c31c15e@mirrors.kernel.org>
References: <20140908202605.6722afce@sagitta.notyet>
 <20140908102930.5cce2b46@pfortin.com>
 <20140909080331.5b34d811@sagitta.notyet>
 <20140908161650.775838fc.itz@buug.org>
 <20140909022235.4c31c15e@mirrors.kernel.org>
Message-ID: <20140908202025.35472579@thehugheslogcabin.net>

On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 02:22:35 +0200
Michael <codejodler at gmx.ch> wrote:

> The question would be if claws stuck or the browser. 
> 
> You may insert a wrapper script which starts the browser (parsing %s)
> into Preferences -> External Programs, and make it do some feedback
> (notify, xmessage, zenity, or just logfile).
> _______________________________________________ Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
> 

I know running Claws on FreeBSD with FVWM2, if the browser isn't
started already and click on a link it won't open the link.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Sep  9 04:26:47 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2014 02:26:47 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3280] New: add new action : select threads
Message-ID: <bug-3280-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3280

            Bug ID: 3280
           Summary: add new action : select threads
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Actions
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: bleketux at gmail.com

Created attachment 1429
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1429&action=edit
possible place for "select threads" function

I'd like to do it in one click, so I must configure action :
- select threads
- mark thread as read
- go to next unread message

The missing function is "select threads". Maybe you can put it as seen on the
attachment.
Well maybe two click, since the last action already define as internal function
on toolbars preferences :)

Thanks in advance.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Sep  9 08:15:52 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:15:52 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3280] add new action : select threads
In-Reply-To: <bug-3280-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3280-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3280-595-NbVMtuwRyU@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3280

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
/Edit/Select thread already exists, and the Filtering actions is not the
correct place for it.

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From bleketux at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 09:11:27 2014
From: bleketux at gmail.com (MSulchan Darmawan)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 14:11:27 +0700
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3280] add new action : select threads
In-Reply-To: <bug-3280-1223-KWRHYWVX8T@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3280-1223@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3280-1223-KWRHYWVX8T@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20140909141127.26cfb4f4@mc33>

On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:15:52 +0000
noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote:

> /Edit/Select thread already exists, and the Filtering actions is not
> the correct place for it.

Yes I understand, but how do you select thread using action
(configuration - actions) ?
Or maybe you have any other suggestion ?

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Sep  9 09:23:11 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 08:23:11 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3280] add new action : select threads
In-Reply-To: <20140909141127.26cfb4f4@mc33>
References: <bug-3280-1223@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3280-1223-KWRHYWVX8T@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140909141127.26cfb4f4@mc33>
Message-ID: <20140909082311.1ca0678d@thewildbeast>

On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 14:11:27 +0700
MSulchan Darmawan <bleketux at gmail.com> wrote: 

> Yes I understand, but how do you select thread using action
> (configuration - actions) ?
> Or maybe you have any other suggestion ?

Your attached image was not of the Actions configuration dialogue,
it was the Filtering/Processing dialogue.

What you should do is select the thread and then apply the Action.

with regards

Paul


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From bleketux at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 09:46:30 2014
From: bleketux at gmail.com (MSulchan Darmawan)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 14:46:30 +0700
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3280] add new action : select threads
In-Reply-To: <20140909082311.1ca0678d@thewildbeast>
References: <bug-3280-1223@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3280-1223-KWRHYWVX8T@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140909141127.26cfb4f4@mc33>
 <20140909082311.1ca0678d@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20140909144630.019ee1c8@mc33>

On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 08:23:11 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> Your attached image was not of the Actions configuration dialogue,
> it was the Filtering/Processing dialogue.

it was Actions Configuration dialogue, well at least the dialogue
title is.

I did this :
 * Configuration - Actions
 * Select radiobutton Filter Action - click Edit Filter Action.
 * Click combobox Action, then mouse over to Threads.
 * Then I capture the dialogue showed.

It's where I suggest to add the "Select Thread" function. So the
"Threads" will have sub menu : Ignore Thread, Watch Thread, and Select
Thread.

> What you should do is select the thread and then apply the Action.

Without enhancement as I requested, I cannot get the "Select Thread"
function into "Actions", right ?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Sep 10 19:38:58 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 17:38:58 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3281] New: The contents of the Size column are not
 truncated to column width
Message-ID: <bug-3281-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3281

            Bug ID: 3281
           Summary: The contents of the Size column are not truncated to
                    column width
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message List
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: horsley1953 at gmail.com

The Size column is the last column in the message list (at least in my claws
layout). The size value it shows for each message is not truncated to fit into
the column width, but bleeds out to the left, overwriting the date if it is
close enough. (At least that is what I'm seeing on my Fedora 20 box with
claws-mail-3.10.1-1.fc20.x86_64 installed).

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep 12 08:16:43 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 06:16:43 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3265] procmime.c: unbalanced flockfile() /
	funlockfile()
In-Reply-To: <bug-3265-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3265-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3265-595-ET6CImohwc@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3265

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

--- Comment #2 from users at lists.claws-mail.org ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://git.claws-mail.org/

++ ChangeLog    2014-09-12 08:13:02.738300504 +0200
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=d013b054b54997cd892863712c024379f86d2ea0
Merge: c2ff8a9 edb27a1
Author: Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net>
Date:   Fri Sep 12 08:13:02 2014 +0200

    Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws

http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=edb27a1a701506fab0d12bce823f59bf302e4f00
Author: Paul <paul at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Fri Sep 12 07:12:44 2014 +0100

    fix bug 3265, 'procmime.c: unbalanced flockfile() / funlockfile()'

    Patch by Timo Teräs

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep 12 14:05:06 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:05:06 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3282] New: duplicated feed items
Message-ID: <bug-3282-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3282

            Bug ID: 3282
           Summary: duplicated feed items
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Plugins/RSSyl
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mschwendt at gmail.com

Created attachment 1430
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1430&action=edit
the saved post in the .claws-mail/RSSyl folder

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1139749

feed.c rssyl_feed_item_exists(…) returns EXISTS_NEW for an item that has been
seen and saved before. It skips the rssyl_feed_item_changed(…) call. As a
result, for such feed posts a new unread one is added everytime the feed is
refreshed/updated.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep 12 17:13:09 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:13:09 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3283] New: Encryption scheme for storing email
 password locally has to be revisited
Message-ID: <bug-3283-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3283

            Bug ID: 3283
           Summary: Encryption scheme for storing email password locally
                    has to be revisited
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: critical
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: phrackmod at gmail.com

Encryption scheme applied on the email account password before storing it
locally in ~/.claws-mail/accountrc seems too simple to crack. The Key used to
encrypt the password is hardcoded in clear text in the source code
(src/common/password.h). 

A random master passkey could be generated and stored in the main binary file
during the compile and build phase. This key could be further used to perform
any encryptions on the email password. This is just a suggestion. Think you
could come up with something little more secure.

I hope you take this seriously since i really hate to see that someone in
access to my system could get to know my email password in just a few seconds
just because of Claws-mail.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep 12 17:58:05 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:58:05 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3283] Encryption scheme for storing email password
 locally has to be revisited
In-Reply-To: <bug-3283-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3283-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3283-595-sRbLcg2ACu@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3283

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
           Severity|critical                    |enhancement

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
It was never meant to be more than simple obfuscation.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep 12 17:58:26 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:58:26 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3283] Encryption scheme for storing email password
	locally
In-Reply-To: <bug-3283-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3283-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3283-595-gD789X9TC4@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3283

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Summary|Encryption scheme for       |Encryption scheme for
                   |storing email password      |storing email password
                   |locally has to be revisited |locally

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep 12 19:26:24 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:26:24 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3283] Encryption scheme for storing email password
	locally
In-Reply-To: <bug-3283-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3283-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3283-595-1ElziGqXP8@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3283

--- Comment #2 from Jeremy <jeremy.schneider at ardentperf.com> ---
I would also appreciate this feature if someone ever wanted to code it.

That said - in lieu of this feature, hard drive encryption may be prudent for
anyone who needs email security.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep 13 22:35:36 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 20:35:36 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3284] New: Attempting to read mail crashes with
	runtime error.
Message-ID: <bug-3284-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3284

            Bug ID: 3284
           Summary: Attempting to read mail crashes with runtime error.
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail (Windows)
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Windows XP
            Status: NEW
          Severity: critical
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: michael at idea-men.us

Created attachment 1431
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1431&action=edit
This is the runtime error I get.

I'm not sure what causes this, but sometimes when I try to read an e-mail, I
get the attached runtime error.  This has happened in 3.9.3 and 3.10.1 (just
upgraded last night).  I'm sorry I can't tell you more, but claws doesn't tell
me much more.  I can be reached by phone at 313-368-0791.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep 13 23:15:31 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 21:15:31 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3282] duplicated feed items
In-Reply-To: <bug-3282-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3282-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3282-595-faFgjHDThW@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3282

--- Comment #1 from Michael Schwendt <mschwendt at gmail.com> ---
Examined this further..

rssyl_cb_feed_compare() doesn't recognize the post as seen before, because
somewhere a different "id" string is generated for it:

  The compare function searches for this id (a):
    http://blog-ciah.rhcloud.com/

  Claws Mail saved this id (b):
    http://blog-ciah.rhcloud.com/<540F2280.9050400 at redhat.com>

rssyl_parse_folder_item_file() strips off from the Message-ID, and Claws Mail
debug tells:

  RSSyl: got id 'http://blog-ciah.rhcloud.com/'

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Sep 14 05:32:35 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 03:32:35 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3282] duplicated feed items
In-Reply-To: <bug-3282-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3282-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3282-595-FpnNvMKl0g@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3282

Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

--- Comment #2 from users at lists.claws-mail.org ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://git.claws-mail.org/

++ ChangeLog    2014-09-14 05:26:02.857653310 +0200
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=d6c7e33acfd3dc56f46813a911cbdc2907684c95
Merge: d10e4ac 9e4d6e4
Author: Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net>
Date:   Sun Sep 14 05:26:02 2014 +0200

    Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws

http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e4d6e44b4b9324109d5d1aa045a94332109cc96
Author: Andrej Kacian <ticho at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Sun Sep 14 05:24:07 2014 +0200

    RSSyl: Do not use g_strsplit_set() to get the ID from message file, since
the ID itself can contain < or > characters. Should fix bug #3282.

--- Comment #3 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
The real issue seems to be that the guids in this feed contain < and >, which
exposes our naive handling of stored guids. I have pushed a fix to git which
fixes this.
Thanks for the report!

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Sep 14 10:56:30 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 08:56:30 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3282] duplicated feed items
In-Reply-To: <bug-3282-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3282-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3282-595-v2LxjR3oni@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3282

--- Comment #4 from Michael Schwendt <mschwendt at gmail.com> ---
> The real issue seems to be that the guids in this feed contain < and >, 

Yep, that's what the bottom of comment 1 suggest. ;-)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Sep 14 11:03:26 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 09:03:26 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3282] duplicated feed items
In-Reply-To: <bug-3282-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3282-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3282-595-glBf08bQAV@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3282

--- Comment #5 from Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> ---
(In reply to comment #4)
> > The real issue seems to be that the guids in this feed contain < and >, 
> 
> Yep, that's what the bottom of comment 1 suggest. ;-)

Oh, you're right, sorry. In my defense, it was 5am! :)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep 15 17:17:09 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:17:09 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3285] New: modify tbird2claws.py to handle subdirectory
Message-ID: <bug-3285-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3285

            Bug ID: 3285
           Summary: modify tbird2claws.py to handle subdirectory
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: GIT
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: minor
          Priority: P3
         Component: Tools
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: master.h2zu at gmail.com

Add a patch to handle subdirectories from thunderbird/icedove to claws.

Tested on a 3.10.1 bug patch made from git version (today)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep 15 17:32:15 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:32:15 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3285] modify tbird2claws.py to handle subdirectory
In-Reply-To: <bug-3285-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3285-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3285-595-uZQvaS27Zt@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3285

--- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
There's no patch attached to bug... maybe you forgot it?

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From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Tue Sep 16 12:06:07 2014
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 11:06:07 +0100
Subject: [Users] One for the devs...
Message-ID: <20140916110607.00005484@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>


http://xkcd.com/1421/

;-}

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Sep 16 12:11:01 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:11:01 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3285] modify tbird2claws.py to handle subdirectory
In-Reply-To: <bug-3285-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3285-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3285-595-yHJs0KJfnP@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3285

--- Comment #2 from master.h2zu at gmail.com ---
Created attachment 1432
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1432&action=edit
the patch

tested on linux (debian jessie) with icedove 24.3.0 and claws 3.10.1

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Sep 16 12:12:30 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:12:30 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3285] modify tbird2claws.py to handle subdirectory
In-Reply-To: <bug-3285-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3285-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3285-595-TsU08BQIve@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3285

--- Comment #3 from master.h2zu at gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #1)
> There's no patch attached to bug... maybe you forgot it?

oups ... ok repaired

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From colin at colino.net  Tue Sep 16 14:46:50 2014
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 14:46:50 +0200
Subject: [Users] One for the devs...
In-Reply-To: <20140916110607.00005484@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <20140916110607.00005484@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20140916144650.74196cd2@colin.i-run.lau>

On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 11:06:07 +0100, Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk>
wrote:

> http://xkcd.com/1421/

Hehe :) Our parsing functions never break, though -;)

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From info at endeavor-networks.com  Tue Sep 16 20:00:30 2014
From: info at endeavor-networks.com (ENI)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 14:00:30 -0400
Subject: [Users] SMIME - Validity Discrepancies.
Message-ID: <20140916140030.00004482.info@endeavor-networks.com>

Using X.509 certificates that we have issued from our own PKI.  Have
not implemented a CRL for this trial. 

At both sending and receiving ends:

- CRL checking is disabled in GPA Backend Preferences.
- Root CA and Intermediate CA certs have been imported, and cert chains
are fine.
- Sending and receiving of signed and encrypted messages works.

Gnu Privacy Assistant | Key Manager | "Upper Pane" | Validity column
indicates:

"Fully Valid" for the Root CA.
"Unknown" for the Intermediate CA that signed the user certs.
"Unknown" for the user keys.

Gnu Privacy Assistant | Key Manager | "Lower Pane" | Key Validity
indicates:

"Fully Valid" for the Root CA.
"Fully Valid" for the Intermediate CA.
"Fully Valid" for the user keys

Q1 - Why the discrepancy (Unknown vs. Fully Valid, upper pane vs.
lower pane)?


Receiver sees the Signature OK icon, and the statement "Good signature
from <sender name>".

If the receiver clicks on the Signature OK icon, the message pane
conveys:

Good signature from 
uid "CN=<redacted>" (Validity: Unknown)
uid "<redacted>" (Validity: Unknown)

Q2 - Why the discrepancy (Signature OK vs. Validity:Unknown)?

Regards,
ENI


From info at endeavor-networks.com  Tue Sep 16 20:37:01 2014
From: info at endeavor-networks.com (ENI)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 14:37:01 -0400
Subject: [Users] Gpgsm failure to import Certtool generated PKCS #12
	structures.
Message-ID: <20140916143701.000040cd.info@endeavor-networks.com>

We used Certtool to generate private keys, X.509 certificates, and DER
encoded PKCS #12 structures (incl. cert and private key).

The DER encoded PKCS #12 structures were successfully imported into
Thunderbird's Certificate Manager without issue.

Gpgsm failed to import these structures.

We then used Certtool to generated "PEM" encoded PKCS #12 structures
(incl. cert and private key).

Gpgsm failed to import these structures.


prompt >gpgsm --import x509-postmaster.p12

... produced the following output:

gpgsm: gpg-protect-tool: encryptedData error at
"bag.encryptedData.keyinfo", offset 79

gpgsm: gpg-protect-tool: error at "bag.encryptedData", offset 49 

gpgsm: gpg-protect-tool: error parsing or decrypting the PKCS-12 file 

gpgsm: error running `E:\Program Files\GNU\Claws
Mail\gpg-protect-tool.exe': exit status 2 

gpgsm: total number processed: 0


In order to proceed with our trials, we chose to generate keys and
certificate signing requests (CSR) with Gpgsm; process the CSRs with
Certtool, and import the certs with Gpgsm.

Anyone have any insights as to why Gpgsm would fail to import the PKCS
#12 structures generated by Certtool, and produce the error output
documented above?

Regards,
ENI


From erik at epo.dk  Tue Sep 16 22:04:50 2014
From: erik at epo.dk (Erik P. Olsen)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 22:04:50 +0200
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3285] modify tbird2claws.py to handle subdirectory
In-Reply-To: <bug-3285-595-TsU08BQIve@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3285-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3285-595-TsU08BQIve@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <541897E2.1070909@epo.dk>


On 16/09/14 12:12, noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote:
> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3285
>
> --- Comment #3 from master.h2zu at gmail.com ---
> (In reply to comment #1)
>> There's no patch attached to bug... maybe you forgot it?
> oups ... ok repaired
>

Where do I find this script?

-- 
Erik.



From info at endeavor-networks.com  Tue Sep 16 23:49:56 2014
From: info at endeavor-networks.com (ENI)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 17:49:56 -0400
Subject: [Users] Gpgsm failure to import Certtool generated PKCS #12
	structures.
In-Reply-To: <20140916143701.000040cd.info@endeavor-networks.com>
References: <20140916143701.000040cd.info@endeavor-networks.com>
Message-ID: <20140916174956.00005159.info@endeavor-networks.com>

> On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 14:37:01 -0400
> "ENI" <info at endeavor-networks.com> wrote:
> 
> We used Certtool to generate private keys, X.509 certificates, and DER
> encoded PKCS #12 structures (incl. cert and private key).
> 
> The DER encoded PKCS #12 structures were successfully imported into
> Thunderbird's Certificate Manager without issue.
> 
> Gpgsm failed to import these structures.
> 
> We then used Certtool to generated "PEM" encoded PKCS #12 structures
> (incl. cert and private key).
> 
> Gpgsm failed to import these structures.
> 
> 
> prompt >gpgsm --import x509-postmaster.p12
> 
> ... produced the following output:
> 
> gpgsm: gpg-protect-tool: encryptedData error at
> "bag.encryptedData.keyinfo", offset 79
> 
> gpgsm: gpg-protect-tool: error at "bag.encryptedData", offset 49 
> 
> gpgsm: gpg-protect-tool: error parsing or decrypting the PKCS-12 file 
> 
> gpgsm: error running `E:\Program Files\GNU\Claws
> Mail\gpg-protect-tool.exe': exit status 2 
> 
> gpgsm: total number processed: 0
> 
> 
> In order to proceed with our trials, we chose to generate keys and
> certificate signing requests (CSR) with Gpgsm; process the CSRs with
> Certtool, and import the certs with Gpgsm.
> 
> Anyone have any insights as to why Gpgsm would fail to import the PKCS
> #12 structures generated by Certtool, and produce the error output
> documented above?
> 
> Regards,
> ENI
> 

Should have mentioned that we're using Claws Mail (Win32),
claws-mail-3.10.1-pkg56.

Also, importation of PKCS #12 structures via the Gnu Privacy Assistant
(GPA) GUI, fail, even for those structures successfully imported with
Gpgsm.

When you start with the assumption that the GPA GUI works, and then
importation fails, you waste a lot of time investigating other
potential causes before you realize that the GUI doesn't do what it's
supposed to do.

We only discovered that the GUI was deficient after abandoning it, in
favor of Gpgsm.

C:\Program Files\GNU\Claws Mail\gpgsm.exe

The question still remains, as to why Gpgsm would fail to import the
PKCS #12 structures generated by Certtool, and produce the error output
documented in the original post.

Regards,
ENI


From mir at miras.org  Wed Sep 17 00:11:20 2014
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 00:11:20 +0200
Subject: [Users] Gpgsm failure to import Certtool generated PKCS #12
 structures.
In-Reply-To: <20140916174956.00005159.info@endeavor-networks.com>
References: <20140916143701.000040cd.info@endeavor-networks.com>
 <20140916174956.00005159.info@endeavor-networks.com>
Message-ID: <20140917001120.14d16687@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 17:49:56 -0400
ENI <info at endeavor-networks.com> wrote:

> 
> The question still remains, as to why Gpgsm would fail to import the
> PKCS #12 structures generated by Certtool, and produce the error output
> documented in the original post.
> 
There have always been issues mixing certificates generated by tools
based on openssl and gnutls. Maybe this is the reason to your problems?

Generel observation: gnutls is more strict in its requirements to
standards conforming.

-- 
Hilsen/Regards
Michael Rasmussen

Get my public GnuPG keys:
michael <at> rasmussen <dot> cc
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E
mir <at> datanom <dot> net
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C
mir <at> miras <dot> org
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917
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From info at endeavor-networks.com  Wed Sep 17 01:36:18 2014
From: info at endeavor-networks.com (ENI)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 19:36:18 -0400
Subject: [Users] Gpgsm failure to import Certtool generated PKCS #12
 structures.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.182.1410905503.6434.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
References: <mailman.182.1410905503.6434.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
Message-ID: <20140916193618.00000a2e.info@endeavor-networks.com>

> > 
> > The question still remains, as to why Gpgsm would fail to import the
> > PKCS #12 structures generated by Certtool, and produce the error
> > output documented in the original post.
> >   
> 
>There have always been issues mixing certificates generated by tools
> based on openssl and gnutls. Maybe this is the reason to your
> problems?
> 
> Generel observation: gnutls is more strict in its requirements to
> standards conforming.
> 
> -- 
> Hilsen/Regards
> Michael Rasmussen
> 

Michael:

Thank you for the insight.

We have not yet accumulated enough experience with either of these
tools to have come to that realization for ourselves.

Best Regards,
ENI


From ricardo at mones.org  Wed Sep 17 10:20:15 2014
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:20:15 +0200
Subject: [Users] SMIME - Validity Discrepancies.
In-Reply-To: <20140916140030.00004482.info@endeavor-networks.com>
References: <20140916140030.00004482.info@endeavor-networks.com>
Message-ID: <20140917082015.GF17608@trasgu>

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 02:00:30PM -0400, ENI wrote:
[…]
> Receiver sees the Signature OK icon, and the statement "Good signature
> from <sender name>".
> 
> If the receiver clicks on the Signature OK icon, the message pane
> conveys:
> 
> Good signature from 
> uid "CN=<redacted>" (Validity: Unknown)
> uid "<redacted>" (Validity: Unknown)
> 
> Q2 - Why the discrepancy (Signature OK vs. Validity:Unknown)?

There's no discrepancy, these are different concepts:
https://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/x334.html

HTH,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but 
  that's not why we do it.                            Richard Feynman

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From info at endeavor-networks.com  Wed Sep 17 19:01:25 2014
From: info at endeavor-networks.com (ENI)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:01:25 -0400
Subject: [Users] SMIME - Validity Discrepancies.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2.1410948001.20343.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
References: <mailman.2.1410948001.20343.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
Message-ID: <20140917130125.00002049.info@endeavor-networks.com>

>> 
>> Receiver sees the Signature OK icon, and the statement "Good
>> signature from <sender name>".
>> 
>> If the receiver clicks on the Signature OK icon, the message pane
>> conveys:
>> 
>> Good signature from 
>> uid "CN=<redacted>" (Validity: Unknown)
>> uid "<redacted>" (Validity: Unknown)
>> 
>> Q2 - Why the discrepancy (Signature OK vs. Validity:Unknown)?
>>
> 
> There's no discrepancy, these are different concepts:
> https://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/x334.html
> 
> HTH,
> -- 
> Ricardo Mones 
> 

Ricardo:

Thank you for your interest in our post, and the effort involved in
providing a link to supporting documentation. We have reviewed the
information referenced, and believe we can now distinguish the two
concepts. We've also downloaded additional docs for future review.


To All:

We've reduced the scope of our post to that which follows (Validity
conveyed in upper vs. lower panes, where "discrepancy" may be a valid
characterization), and open it up to anyone wishing to comment.

>> 
>> Using X.509 certificates that we have issued from our own PKI.  Have
>> not implemented a CRL for this trial. 
>> 
>> At both sending and receiving ends:
>> 
>> - CRL checking is disabled in GPA Backend Preferences.
>> - Root CA and Intermediate CA certs have been imported, and cert
>> chains are fine.
>> - Sending and receiving of signed and encrypted messages works.
>> 
>> Gnu Privacy Assistant | Key Manager | "Upper Pane" | Validity column
>> indicates:
>> 
>> "Fully Valid" for the Root CA.
>> "Unknown" for the Intermediate CA that signed the user certs.
>> "Unknown" for the user keys.
>> 
>> Gnu Privacy Assistant | Key Manager | "Lower Pane" | Key Validity
>> indicates:
>> 
>> "Fully Valid" for the Root CA.
>> "Fully Valid" for the Intermediate CA.
>> "Fully Valid" for the user keys
>> 
>> Q1 - Why the discrepancy (Unknown vs. Fully Valid, upper pane vs.
>> lower pane)?
>> 

Best Regards,
ENI


From info at endeavor-networks.com  Wed Sep 17 20:02:41 2014
From: info at endeavor-networks.com (ENI)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:41 -0400
Subject: [Users] SMIME - Validity Discrepancies.
In-Reply-To: <20140917130125.00002049.info@endeavor-networks.com>
References: <mailman.2.1410948001.20343.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
 <20140917130125.00002049.info@endeavor-networks.com>
Message-ID: <20140917140241.00007d7a.info@endeavor-networks.com>

>>> 
>>> Receiver sees the Signature OK icon, and the statement "Good
>>> signature from <sender name>".
>>> 
>>> If the receiver clicks on the Signature OK icon, the message pane
>>> conveys:
>>> 
>>> Good signature from 
>>> uid "CN=<redacted>" (Validity: Unknown)
>>> uid "<redacted>" (Validity: Unknown)
>>> 
>>> Q2 - Why the discrepancy (Signature OK vs. Validity:Unknown)?
>>>  
>> 
>> There's no discrepancy, these are different concepts:
>> https://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/x334.html
>> 
>> HTH,
>> -- 
>> Ricardo Mones 
>> 

Ricardo or Other:

Keeping in mind that the following conditions exist:

Our sender and receiver have each imported the X.509 Root CA and
Intermediate CA certs, and have disabled CRL checking in the GPA
Backend Preferences, as CRL has not been implemented.

Actually, lets simplify the situation further. The sender and receiver
email accounts are configured in the same CM installation, on the same
system. GPA Key Manager's lower pane indicates "Fully Valid" for all
keys, while the upper pane indicates "Unknown" for the Intermediate CA
and user keys.

Q1. What would be required for the receiver to see something more
assuring than:

Good signature from 
uid "CN=<redacted>" (Validity: Unknown)
uid "<redacted>" (Validity: Unknown)

... when they click on the Signature OK icon?


Q2. Would "(Validity: Unknown)" be solely due to the absence of a CRL
check, or some other cause?

Q3. Would "(Validity: Unknown)" be an indication that we should believe
the validity status conveyed in Key Manager's upper pane, and disbelieve
the validity status conveyed in the lower pane?


Following the initial importation of the Root CA certificate, we were
presented with a pop-up dialog when we clicked on that key in the Key
Manager's list. That dialog allowed us to convey that we ~ trusted the
key/cert and that it's fingerprint was correct.

When we disabled CRL checking in the GPA Backend Preferences, the
Key Validity status indicated in the lower pane of Key Manager,
transitioned from "Incomplete" to "Fully Trusted" for the Intermediate
CA and user keys.

Other than that, we have not observed any other means of manually
affecting key validity for X.509 keys/certificates in GPA.

Regards,
ENI


From ricardo at mones.org  Thu Sep 18 10:39:49 2014
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:39:49 +0200
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3285] modify tbird2claws.py to handle subdirectory
In-Reply-To: <541897E2.1070909@epo.dk>
References: <bug-3285-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3285-595-TsU08BQIve@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <541897E2.1070909@epo.dk>
Message-ID: <20140918083949.GK17608@trasgu>

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:04:50PM +0200, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
> 
> On 16/09/14 12:12, noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote:
> >http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3285
> >
> >--- Comment #3 from master.h2zu at gmail.com ---
> >(In reply to comment #1)
> >>There's no patch attached to bug... maybe you forgot it?
> >oups ... ok repaired
> >
> 
> Where do I find this script?

In tools subdirectory:
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=tree;f=tools

Regards,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out.            Unknown

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Sep 18 10:42:01 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 08:42:01 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3285] modify tbird2claws.py to handle subdirectory
In-Reply-To: <bug-3285-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3285-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3285-595-8DLgaz8w7J@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3285

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

--- Comment #4 from users at lists.claws-mail.org ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://git.claws-mail.org/

++ ChangeLog    2014-09-18 10:38:02.586309434 +0200
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=78dc75fb760d1a27f8956cee68ff0df3643cd1f1
Merge: d6c7e33 ff9859c
Author: Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net>
Date:   Thu Sep 18 10:38:02 2014 +0200

    Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws

http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff9859c1a03eb7989276351e918b32b366aa5eee
Author: Ricardo Mones <ricardo at mones.org>
Date:   Thu Sep 18 10:35:22 2014 +0200

    Fix bug 3285 ‘modify tbird2claws.py to handle subdirectory’

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From gideon425.ekiga2 at mailnull.com  Fri Sep 19 14:20:52 2014
From: gideon425.ekiga2 at mailnull.com (gideon425.ekiga2 at mailnull.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 08:20:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Users] problem restoring window
Message-ID: <20140919122052.D039AE1402B@outside.256.com>

I have the problem that sometimes the main window cannot be restored by clicking on the icon when the banner from the Notification plugin is visible. Has anyone else hit this? I assume it is a bug. Is there a workround?

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep 19 14:40:14 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:40:14 +0100
Subject: [Users] problem restoring window
In-Reply-To: <20140919122052.D039AE1402B@outside.256.com>
References: <20140919122052.D039AE1402B@outside.256.com>
Message-ID: <20140919134014.72183373@thewildbeast>

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 08:20:52 -0400 (EDT)
gideon425.ekiga2 at mailnull.com wrote: 

> I have the problem that sometimes the main window cannot be
> restored by clicking on the icon when the banner from the
> Notification plugin is visible. Has anyone else hit this? I assume
> it is a bug. Is there a workround?

What version of Claws Mail are you using?

You mean that you have the 'Banner' module and the 'SysTrayicon'
module activated in the Notification plugin? And you click the
SysTrayicon icon and not the banner?

What desktop do you use, what is providing the System Tray?

with regards

Paul


-- 
Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep 19 14:42:09 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:42:09 +0100
Subject: [Users] problem restoring window
In-Reply-To: <20140919134014.72183373@thewildbeast>
References: <20140919122052.D039AE1402B@outside.256.com>
 <20140919134014.72183373@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20140919134209.2a1d85d3@thewildbeast>

I should add that I don't normally use this plugin but I tested it
and all seems to work fine for me.

regards

Paul

-- 
Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières


From gideon425.ekiga2 at mailnull.com  Fri Sep 19 14:55:16 2014
From: gideon425.ekiga2 at mailnull.com (gideon425.ekiga2 at mailnull.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 08:55:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Users] problem restoring window
In-Reply-To: <20140919134014.72183373@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20140919125516.349D3510771@outside.256.com>

according to About box, claws mail version 3.9.3
Banner is enabled but SysTrayIcon is not.
I am using Ubuntu and the user interface is Unity. I click on the icon for claws mail which should restore the main window

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep 19 15:10:25 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:10:25 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3286] New: gtkcmclist.c: Invalid read of size 4,
 valgrind reported bug
Message-ID: <bug-3286-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3286

            Bug ID: 3286
           Summary: gtkcmclist.c: Invalid read of size 4, valgrind
                    reported bug
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: timo.teras at iki.fi

==2393== Invalid read of size 4
==2393==    at 0x3C405A: scroll_horizontal (gtkcmclist.c:7049)
==2393==    by 0x79474E5: g_closure_invoke (gclosure.c:768)
==2393==    by 0x7958786: signal_emit_unlocked_R (gsignal.c:3589)
==2393==    by 0x572E418: ??? (in /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.23)
==2393==    by 0x572E581: ??? (in /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.23)
==2393==    by 0x572E77E: ??? (in /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.23)
==2393==    by 0x572F93E: gtk_bindings_activate_event (in
/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.23)
==2393==    by 0x57E8C35: ??? (in /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.23)
==2393==    by 0x79474E5: g_closure_invoke (gclosure.c:768)
==2393==    by 0x7958786: signal_emit_unlocked_R (gsignal.c:3589)
==2393==    by 0x795CEE1: g_signal_emit_valist (gsignal.c:3317)
==2393==    by 0x795D106: g_signal_emit (gsignal.c:3363)
==2393==  Address 0xf0de978 is 8 bytes after a block of size 256 alloc'd
==2393==    at 0x4C8F9FE: malloc (vg_replace_malloc.c:296)
==2393==    by 0x7BCD895: g_malloc (gmem.c:97)
==2393==    by 0x3BE6A7: columns_new (gtkcmclist.c:6417)
==2393==    by 0x3BE6A7: gtk_cmclist_constructor (gtkcmclist.c:1230)
==2393==    by 0x794C548: g_object_new_with_custom_constructor (gobject.c:1645)
==2393==    by 0x794C548: g_object_new_internal (gobject.c:1722)
==2393==    by 0x794E322: g_object_new_valist (gobject.c:1980)
==2393==    by 0x59024BD: gtk_widget_new (in
/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.23)
==2393==    by 0x3CC434: gtk_sctree_new_with_titles (gtksctree.c:980)
==2393==    by 0x26047E: folderview_ctree_create (folderview.c:432)
==2393==    by 0x2630A5: folderview_create (folderview.c:593)
==2393==    by 0x28B234: main_window_create (mainwindow.c:1990)
==2393==    by 0x21C301: main (main.c:1286)

Sounds like the calculations yield 'column' being >= clist->columns and causing
the invalid read.

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From cwallace at lodgingcompany.com  Fri Sep 19 20:23:59 2014
From: cwallace at lodgingcompany.com (Chad Wallace)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:23:59 -0700
Subject: [Users] problem restoring window
In-Reply-To: <20140919125516.349D3510771@outside.256.com>
References: <20140919134014.72183373@thewildbeast>
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Message-ID: <20140919112359.084c87df@ws78.int.tlc>

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 08:55:16 -0400 (EDT)
gideon425.ekiga2 at mailnull.com wrote:

> according to About box, claws mail version 3.9.3
> Banner is enabled but SysTrayIcon is not.
> I am using Ubuntu and the user interface is Unity. I click on the
> icon for claws mail which should restore the main window

If SysTrayIcon is not enabled, how are you clicking on the icon?  Or,
which icon are you clicking on?  Is it the launcher for Claws--the one
you use to open it when you first log in?

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From gideon425.ekiga2 at mailnull.com  Fri Sep 19 20:44:46 2014
From: gideon425.ekiga2 at mailnull.com (gideon425.ekiga2 at mailnull.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:44:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Users] problem restoring window
In-Reply-To: <20140919112359.084c87df@ws78.int.tlc>
Message-ID: <20140919184446.5A030510AFC@outside.256.com>

Yes, it is the icon in the Launcher bar, which I use to run Claws

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From cwallace at lodgingcompany.com  Fri Sep 19 21:33:08 2014
From: cwallace at lodgingcompany.com (Chad Wallace)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 12:33:08 -0700
Subject: [Users] problem restoring window
In-Reply-To: <20140919184446.5A030510AFC@outside.256.com>
References: <20140919112359.084c87df@ws78.int.tlc>
 <20140919184446.5A030510AFC@outside.256.com>
Message-ID: <20140919123308.4c6f0dec@ws78.int.tlc>

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:44:46 -0400 (EDT)
gideon425.ekiga2 at mailnull.com wrote:

> Yes, it is the icon in the Launcher bar, which I use to run Claws

Well then, one thing you could try is, open a terminal, wait for the
banner to pop up, then while the banner is up (if you can) type this
command in the terminal:

claws-mail

and hit Enter.

Then it may print an error message in the terminal.  Let us know what
happens, and copy-and-paste the messages from the terminal to this list.

I wonder if it might just be that when the banner is up, clicking
anywhere does nothing but dismiss the banner.  Then once you've clicked
to dismiss the banner, you can then click the launcher to open Claws.
I can only guess, as I don't have Ubuntu to test it.


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep 20 00:16:25 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 22:16:25 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3228] Unresponsive when selecting an "Other" key to
	encrypt to
In-Reply-To: <bug-3228-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3228-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3228-595-zKvJy0nPkS@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3228

--- Comment #6 from Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> ---
I just tried this with Claws 3.10.1 on Ubuntu 14.10.  No freeze, so I guess
it's safe to close the issue.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep 20 01:47:03 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 23:47:03 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3287] New: Associate tags with colours and colours
	with tags.
Message-ID: <bug-3287-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3287

            Bug ID: 3287
           Summary: Associate tags with colours and colours with tags.
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.0
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message List
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: bs27975 at gmail.com

(1) Are there any links to "Why message colour labels exist?" type discussions?
Here's what I mean by that - colour labels seem like a one off (separate
beastie / facility). As do tags. [Granted, tags on various things in various
beasties is much more prevalent today than in decades past. Even if not used by
many, the facility is becoming more and more prevalent in more and more
things.] I believe typically one wishes to tag or colour a message to have it
distinguish/stand out in some manner. Which is to say, these are two means by
which to have a message stand out - colours, and tags.

It seems intuitive that colours be associated with tags, and that tagged
messages be coloured. [Tags can have no colour associated with them, too.] The
act of tagging a message would apply the corresponding colour.

So, claws-mail design has kept them separate. I expect there have been
discussions on such, thus the above "Are there any links to "Why message colour
labels exist?" discussions?" (The better I understand the thinking behind
design choices, the better enhancement request I can submit.)

(2) Could tags have colours associated with them, please, and the act of
tagging a message trigger a corresponding colour change? i.e. Add a tag, look
up associated colour, if any, and apply Message/Colour Label/{associated label}

Perhaps it is arguable that colours and tags be merged? [Or a tag of name
'colour' be associated with each message and the current/default colour choice
placed within it?]

In the case of multiple tags, two options: (1) Last applied tag sets message
colour (click a current tag on/off to reapply prior tag colouration); (2) First
applied tag sets message colour <- problematic changing later.

Perhaps the first tag applied to any message is this 'hidden' 'colour tag' (as
in, can't remove the colour tag (?), and for (2) immediately above, the value
of this tag can be changed per colour selection as lies elsewhere.

CDN$0.02

Thanks for listening.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep 20 02:14:51 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 00:14:51 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
Message-ID: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3288

            Bug ID: 3288
           Summary: Set default message view NOT threaded.
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.0
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message List
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: bs27975 at gmail.com

Personally, I hate threading, but that's my use case.I keep up with my e-mail /
conversations on the go. [And not everybody 'gets' threading / most fail to
change the subject line when hijacking threads.]  Back in my NNTP days, though,
where I might not keep up with every list every hour, threading had its place,
for me.

I have just migrated a couple of mailboxes to claws-mail. VERY painful process
- given the thousands of messages, this is situation normal. Regardless of the
mail client, migration takes an irritating amount of time, nothing unique to CM
in that.

However, the process of migrating is made worse / more painful / takes longer
due to the default message list view of threading.

This, IMO, makes the CM out of box experience worse than it could be. Could the
default message list view not be threaded, please. Further: When migrating, one
is looking to see things are working / it's working at all / progress - so, for
example, one watches the messages coming in and probably follows the dates to
get a sense of progress. Threading throws this all off. [It's all well and good
to see 42 messages of 4,000, say, have been processed - it is a bit more
informative to see that import is up to about a month ago. A user will have a
sense of how much e-mail was received in the last month, and thus a theoretical
sense of how much longer an import might take.]

I sure get, once imported, threading may be preferable, thus the current
ability to change views is more than sufficient. (Thank you all!)

Additional Enhancements:

- thread view default (at folder creation) could be a configuration option,
left off at install. [Let's one leave off during migration, turn on globally
for subsequent folder creations.]

- could a thread view indicator / icon be added, please? Perhaps left of toggle
quick search bar icon?

After / during migration I had to click on each folder, take my hands off
keyboard (pressing arrow keys to transit folder list), mouse to click on view,
examine threaded status, and click or not as appropriate to turn off.

This gets very old very quickly. Being able to click on each folder (if that's
what I'm left to do / current situation), see this icon, click it if necessary,
then click next folder, would have been much easier.

Thanks for listening.

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From bs27975 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 02:35:01 2014
From: bs27975 at gmail.com (B. S.)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:35:01 -0400
Subject: [Users] How to join wiki authoring?
Message-ID: <541CCBB5.40708@gmail.com>

I see the wiki at http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Main_Page, 
however, clicking log in does not reveal a typical new user registration 
/ signup link.

No doubt this is intentional.

What is the process to follow to gain a wiki log in?


From pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 09:07:39 2014
From: pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com (pete nikolic)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:07:39 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9>

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 00:14:51 +0000
noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote:

> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3288
> 
>             Bug ID: 3288
>            Summary: Set default message view NOT threaded.
>     Classification: Unclassified
>            Product: Claws Mail
>            Version: 3.8.0
>           Hardware: PC
>                 OS: Linux
>             Status: NEW
>           Severity: enhancement
>           Priority: P3
>          Component: UI/Message List
>           Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
>           Reporter: bs27975 at gmail.com
> 
> Personally, I hate threading, but that's my use case.I keep up with my e-mail /
> conversations on the go. [And not everybody 'gets' threading / most fail to
> change the subject line when hijacking threads.]  Back in my NNTP days, though,
> where I might not keep up with every list every hour, threading had its place,
> for me.
> 
> I have just migrated a couple of mailboxes to claws-mail. VERY painful process
> - given the thousands of messages, this is situation normal. Regardless of the
> mail client, migration takes an irritating amount of time, nothing unique to CM
> in that.
> 
> However, the process of migrating is made worse / more painful / takes longer
> due to the default message list view of threading.
> 
> This, IMO, makes the CM out of box experience worse than it could be. Could the
> default message list view not be threaded, please. Further: When migrating, one
> is looking to see things are working / it's working at all / progress - so, for
> example, one watches the messages coming in and probably follows the dates to
> get a sense of progress. Threading throws this all off. [It's all well and good
> to see 42 messages of 4,000, say, have been processed - it is a bit more
> informative to see that import is up to about a month ago. A user will have a
> sense of how much e-mail was received in the last month, and thus a theoretical
> sense of how much longer an import might take.]
> 
> I sure get, once imported, threading may be preferable, thus the current
> ability to change views is more than sufficient. (Thank you all!)
> 
> Additional Enhancements:
> 
> - thread view default (at folder creation) could be a configuration option,
> left off at install. [Let's one leave off during migration, turn on globally
> for subsequent folder creations.]
> 
> - could a thread view indicator / icon be added, please? Perhaps left of toggle
> quick search bar icon?
> 
> After / during migration I had to click on each folder, take my hands off
> keyboard (pressing arrow keys to transit folder list), mouse to click on view,
> examine threaded status, and click or not as appropriate to turn off.
> 
> This gets very old very quickly. Being able to click on each folder (if that's
> what I'm left to do / current situation), see this icon, click it if necessary,
> then click next folder, would have been much easier.
> 
> Thanks for listening.
> 

- 1

Threading ON by default  i hate non threaded readers

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep 20 09:01:35 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:01:35 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3228] Unresponsive when selecting an "Other" key to
	encrypt to
In-Reply-To: <bug-3228-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3228-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3228-595-cEoaFP00Yj@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3228

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep 20 09:19:38 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:19:38 +0100
Subject: [Users] How to join wiki authoring?
In-Reply-To: <541CCBB5.40708@gmail.com>
References: <541CCBB5.40708@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140920081938.5e327711@thewildbeast>

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:35:01 -0400
"B. S." <bs27975 at gmail.com> wrote: 

> I see the wiki at
> http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Main_Page, however,
> clicking log in does not reveal a typical new user registration /
> signup link.
> 
> No doubt this is intentional.
> 
> What is the process to follow to gain a wiki log in?

Yes, it's intentional, to stop the huge amount of spam we were
getting there.

I've created an account for you, details of which have been sent to
you via email.

with regards

Paul


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From bs27975 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 10:42:42 2014
From: bs27975 at gmail.com (B. S.)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 04:42:42 -0400
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9>
Message-ID: <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>

You're missing my point.

That's your/a personal choice.

By being on by default, poorer out of the box experience.

Given the request, far easier to turn on after install, than to turn off.

Remember - this is initial install point. Change of defaults afterwards 
/ etc. different story.

That you do/don't like/hate one way or the other by default, is not 
germane to the request.

Put another way - a reasonable user of the vast majority of e-mail use 
these days I expect would expect non-threaded initially. That should be 
the guide. That a reasonable *technical/developer* user of the vast 
majority of e-mail use these days I would expect threaded initially, may 
or may not be true, but is a rather smaller subset of the user domain 
used above. The former, not the latter, should be the guide.

As I said - an option would fix it, satisfy everyone, lead to a better 
out of box experience, and save a pile of fiddly work at migration.


On 14-09-20 03:07 AM, pete nikolic wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 00:14:51 +0000
> noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote:
>
>> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3288
>>
>>              Bug ID: 3288
>>             Summary: Set default message view NOT threaded.
>>      Classification: Unclassified
>>             Product: Claws Mail
>>             Version: 3.8.0
>>            Hardware: PC
>>                  OS: Linux
>>              Status: NEW
>>            Severity: enhancement
>>            Priority: P3
>>           Component: UI/Message List
>>            Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
>>            Reporter: bs27975 at gmail.com
>>
>> Personally, I hate threading, but that's my use case.I keep up with my e-mail /
>> conversations on the go. [And not everybody 'gets' threading / most fail to
>> change the subject line when hijacking threads.]  Back in my NNTP days, though,
>> where I might not keep up with every list every hour, threading had its place,
>> for me.
>>
>> I have just migrated a couple of mailboxes to claws-mail. VERY painful process
>> - given the thousands of messages, this is situation normal. Regardless of the
>> mail client, migration takes an irritating amount of time, nothing unique to CM
>> in that.
>>
>> However, the process of migrating is made worse / more painful / takes longer
>> due to the default message list view of threading.
>>
>> This, IMO, makes the CM out of box experience worse than it could be. Could the
>> default message list view not be threaded, please. Further: When migrating, one
>> is looking to see things are working / it's working at all / progress - so, for
>> example, one watches the messages coming in and probably follows the dates to
>> get a sense of progress. Threading throws this all off. [It's all well and good
>> to see 42 messages of 4,000, say, have been processed - it is a bit more
>> informative to see that import is up to about a month ago. A user will have a
>> sense of how much e-mail was received in the last month, and thus a theoretical
>> sense of how much longer an import might take.]
>>
>> I sure get, once imported, threading may be preferable, thus the current
>> ability to change views is more than sufficient. (Thank you all!)
>>
>> Additional Enhancements:
>>
>> - thread view default (at folder creation) could be a configuration option,
>> left off at install. [Let's one leave off during migration, turn on globally
>> for subsequent folder creations.]
>>
>> - could a thread view indicator / icon be added, please? Perhaps left of toggle
>> quick search bar icon?
>>
>> After / during migration I had to click on each folder, take my hands off
>> keyboard (pressing arrow keys to transit folder list), mouse to click on view,
>> examine threaded status, and click or not as appropriate to turn off.
>>
>> This gets very old very quickly. Being able to click on each folder (if that's
>> what I'm left to do / current situation), see this icon, click it if necessary,
>> then click next folder, would have been much easier.
>>
>> Thanks for listening.
>>
>
> - 1
>
> Threading ON by default  i hate non threaded readers
>
> Pete .
>
>


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Sep 20 11:42:09 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:42:09 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3289] New: Create Help/Keystrokes
Message-ID: <bug-3289-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3289

            Bug ID: 3289
           Summary: Create Help/Keystrokes
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.0
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: bs27975 at gmail.com

Suggest creation of Help/Keystrokes, probably to point to
http://www.claws-mail.org/manual/claws-mail-manual.html#keyb_mail

Better would be an on the fly generation of the keystroke list, but the link
would do in the mean time. There's a fair bit of menus to slither through to
find out what keystrokes are in use, and thus which aren't (more problematic).
[Proving a negative.]

I ran into this when trying to assign 'm' to toggle un/read, or even mark read,
and failed. (Wiki article on assignable keystrokes or more info would be
useful. [Beyond the keystroke info currently available.])

Then failed to see why m could't be assigned / what it was already assigned to
by looking through menus.

The wiki article notes "There are other key combinations which are assigned by
default to menu items. We won't list these here, as they are already shown on
the righthand side of the menus themselves ..." See above. Listing them
(defaults) here in the article would be useful - especially if one played then
wanted to go back to default, for that one keystroke only, but can't remember
what it was. (Absenting the keystroke list above.) Being able to say "click
Help/Keystrokes" instead would be useful (if doing so was an on the fly list).

The article also notes "Furthermore, if you don't like them, these shortcuts
can be changed on the fly by focusing on the menu item and pressing the desired
key combination." - evidently not always true. e.g. For 'm', which is why/how I
got to submitting this request. (Including wiki notes about unassignable
keystrokes.)

So, a few details / links towards constraints surrounding keystrokes and
keystroke assignment would be useful in this part of the wiki article, as well.

In the mean time,
http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2013-June/006631.html was helpful.

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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Sat Sep 20 14:25:30 2014
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:25:30 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140920132530.4703d575@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 04:42:42 -0400
"B. S." <bs27975 at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello B.,

>By being on by default, poorer out of the box experience.

For you.

Changing the default now would, quite likely, break things for
multiple users.

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From bs27975 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 15:37:32 2014
From: bs27975 at gmail.com (B. S.)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:37:32 -0400
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <20140920132530.4703d575@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
 <20140920132530.4703d575@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <541D831C.809@gmail.com>

 > Changing the default now would, quite likely, break things for
 > multiple users.

Sorry - not so. By definition, users have already had their out of box 
experience. Nothing here suggests any changes for them.

And, I daresay, there are many more users to come than there are currently.

An option to default threaded or not would be left alone at upgrade, 
cleared at install.

The advantages to the new user have already been listed - no down side 
for them, only upside.


On 14-09-20 08:25 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 04:42:42 -0400
> "B. S." <bs27975 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello B.,
>
>> By being on by default, poorer out of the box experience.
>
> For you.
>
> Changing the default now would, quite likely, break things for
> multiple users.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
>


From pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 17:25:06 2014
From: pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com (pete nikolic)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 16:25:06 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140920162506.77b45518@7-of-9>

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 04:42:42 -0400
"B. S." <bs27975 at gmail.com> wrote:

> You're missing my point.
> 
> That's your/a personal choice.
> 
> By being on by default, poorer out of the box experience.
> 
> Given the request, far easier to turn on after install, than to turn off.
> 
> Remember - this is initial install point. Change of defaults afterwards 
> / etc. different story.
> 
> That you do/don't like/hate one way or the other by default, is not 
> germane to the request.
> 
> Put another way - a reasonable user of the vast majority of e-mail use 
> these days I expect would expect non-threaded initially. That should be 
> the guide. That a reasonable *technical/developer* user of the vast 
> majority of e-mail use these days I would expect threaded initially, may 
> or may not be true, but is a rather smaller subset of the user domain 
> used above. The former, not the latter, should be the guide.
> 
> As I said - an option would fix it, satisfy everyone, lead to a better 
> out of box experience, and save a pile of fiddly work at migration.
> 
> 
> On 14-09-20 03:07 AM, pete nikolic wrote:
> > On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 00:14:51 +0000
> > noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3288
> >>
> >>              Bug ID: 3288
> >>             Summary: Set default message view NOT threaded.
> >>      Classification: Unclassified
> >>             Product: Claws Mail
> >>             Version: 3.8.0
> >>            Hardware: PC
> >>                  OS: Linux
> >>              Status: NEW
> >>            Severity: enhancement
> >>            Priority: P3
> >>           Component: UI/Message List
> >>            Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
> >>            Reporter: bs27975 at gmail.com
> >>
> >> Personally, I hate threading, but that's my use case.I keep up with my e-mail /
> >> conversations on the go. [And not everybody 'gets' threading / most fail to
> >> change the subject line when hijacking threads.]  Back in my NNTP days, though,
> >> where I might not keep up with every list every hour, threading had its place,
> >> for me.
> >>
> >> I have just migrated a couple of mailboxes to claws-mail. VERY painful process
> >> - given the thousands of messages, this is situation normal. Regardless of the
> >> mail client, migration takes an irritating amount of time, nothing unique to CM
> >> in that.
> >>
> >> However, the process of migrating is made worse / more painful / takes longer
> >> due to the default message list view of threading.
> >>
> >> This, IMO, makes the CM out of box experience worse than it could be. Could the
> >> default message list view not be threaded, please. Further: When migrating, one
> >> is looking to see things are working / it's working at all / progress - so, for
> >> example, one watches the messages coming in and probably follows the dates to
> >> get a sense of progress. Threading throws this all off. [It's all well and good
> >> to see 42 messages of 4,000, say, have been processed - it is a bit more
> >> informative to see that import is up to about a month ago. A user will have a
> >> sense of how much e-mail was received in the last month, and thus a theoretical
> >> sense of how much longer an import might take.]
> >>
> >> I sure get, once imported, threading may be preferable, thus the current
> >> ability to change views is more than sufficient. (Thank you all!)
> >>
> >> Additional Enhancements:
> >>
> >> - thread view default (at folder creation) could be a configuration option,
> >> left off at install. [Let's one leave off during migration, turn on globally
> >> for subsequent folder creations.]
> >>
> >> - could a thread view indicator / icon be added, please? Perhaps left of toggle
> >> quick search bar icon?
> >>
> >> After / during migration I had to click on each folder, take my hands off
> >> keyboard (pressing arrow keys to transit folder list), mouse to click on view,
> >> examine threaded status, and click or not as appropriate to turn off.
> >>
> >> This gets very old very quickly. Being able to click on each folder (if that's
> >> what I'm left to do / current situation), see this icon, click it if necessary,
> >> then click next folder, would have been much easier.
> >>
> >> Thanks for listening.
> >>
> >
> > - 1
> >
> > Threading ON by default  i hate non threaded readers
> >
> > Pete .
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

One day top posting WILL die 

I have almost ZERO mail that is not threaded therefore default threaded is the
Correct option for me  .


YMMV mine is fixed and stationary 

Pete .


-- 
Please note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message. 
However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Sat Sep 20 17:27:59 2014
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 16:27:59 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <541D831C.809@gmail.com>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
 <20140920132530.4703d575@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <541D831C.809@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140920162759.4d6bb178@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:37:32 -0400
"B. S." <bs27975 at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello B.,

>Sorry - not so. By definition, users have already had their out of box 
>experience. Nothing here suggests any changes for them.

Depends on how the software sets things up.  It can be that software
doesn't set instructions in the config file unless/until the default is
changed.  Under such circumstances a change of default behaviour will
change things for people that have not altered the default.  That's
*always* bad.  If CM writes a setting at install, then yes, existing
users remain unaffected.

>And, I daresay, there are many more users to come than there are
>currently.

Frankly, I doubt it (although thee will be some more).  More and more
people are using a web browser for email, not an MUA.  In fact, the move
seems to be to use a browser for everything.

>The advantages to the new user have already been listed - no down side 
>for them, only upside.

I disagree.  Although it's not me that needs convincing, but the dev
team.

-- 
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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
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From andrej at kacian.sk  Sat Sep 20 19:27:14 2014
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 19:27:14 +0200
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <20140920162506.77b45518@7-of-9>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
 <20140920162506.77b45518@7-of-9>
Message-ID: <20140920192714.1ac20888@penny>

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 16:25:06 +0100
pete nikolic <pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One day top posting WILL die 

Let's hope excessive quoting will follow it, then. :)

-- 
Andrej


From buzz at ksys.co.nz  Sat Sep 20 21:19:13 2014
From: buzz at ksys.co.nz (Buzz)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 07:19:13 +1200
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <20140920192714.1ac20888@penny>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
 <20140920162506.77b45518@7-of-9> <20140920192714.1ac20888@penny>
Message-ID: <20140921071913.133a2c53@sagitta.notyet>

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 19:27:14 +0200
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

> > One day top posting WILL die   
> 
> Let's hope excessive quoting will follow it, then. :)

And the extreme use of emoticons. ;) :0 :)

-- 
Cheers

Buzz


From bs27975 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 10:17:51 2014
From: bs27975 at gmail.com (B. S.)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 04:17:51 -0400
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <20140920162506.77b45518@7-of-9>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
 <20140920162506.77b45518@7-of-9>
Message-ID: <541E89AF.9050204@gmail.com>

On 14-09-20 11:25 AM, pete nikolic wrote:
>> _______________________________________________
>> Users mailing list
>> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
>> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
>
> One day top posting WILL die

Actually, no, it won't, it will be bottom posting that does.

Not to get into a flamewar, but bottom posting is a relic from NNTP 
days, largely long gone - in favour of e-mail readers. This is, after 
all, an e-mail group, not a newsgroup. Things get used as people do - 
they don't get, nor care, what was and is the past, they just do what's 
most convenient to them and get on with their day. That may be 
inconsiderate and selfish, but it is what it is, and that doesn't seem 
to matter to them. Despite many efforts it hasn't taken and it should be 
obvious by now that it never will. More newcomers appear faster than any 
edumacation can overcome their natural inclinations, and they're not 
inclined to overcome natural inclinations. They're too busy ignoring 
convention and getting on with their day, in whatever way is fastest and 
most convenient to them. The world and use of E-MAIL is wider than I.T.

Devices and apps have moved on. Newsreading has been grafted on to 
e-mail, not the other way around. E-mail clients are ubiquitous, while 
NNTP clients are not. For the user, it's all e-mail, and they're not 
going to track which type is which type from what input source. They're 
just not, and they don't.

I'm sorry, I do feel your pain. But it is what it is. Whining about it 
merely consumes oxygen pointlessly. Deal. And stop wasting our oxygen in 
the process, please.

>
> I have almost ZERO mail that is not threaded therefore default threaded is the
> Correct option for me  .
>
>
> YMMV mine is fixed and stationary

As is mine.

What you seem to be missing is ... nothing changes for you. You lose 
nothing. This use case doesn't impact you.

Since that is the case, why are you whining?


From bs27975 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 11:14:24 2014
From: bs27975 at gmail.com (B. S.)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 05:14:24 -0400
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <20140920162759.4d6bb178@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
 <20140920132530.4703d575@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <541D831C.809@gmail.com>
 <20140920162759.4d6bb178@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <541E96F0.2090404@gmail.com>

On 14-09-20 11:27 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:37:32 -0400
> "B. S." <bs27975 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello B.,
>
>> Sorry - not so. By definition, users have already had their out of box
>> experience. Nothing here suggests any changes for them.
>
> Depends on how the software sets things up.  It can be that software
> doesn't set instructions in the config file unless/until the default is
> changed.  Under such circumstances a change of default behaviour will
> change things for people that have not altered the default.  That's
> *always* bad.  If CM writes a setting at install, then yes, existing
> users remain unaffected.

(1) "It can be that software doesn't set instructions in the config file 
unless/until the default is changed."

There is no default / config file if the software has never been 
installed. Thus, prior users are not impacted as prior users have had 
their out of the box experience already, and nothing proposed impacts 
them in the future. Merely future out of box experiences, as I said.

(2) I absolutely agree with what you're saying. I am saying a different 
default is more appropriate for more people, in today's world and 
devices, going forwards. I am also not saying that due consideration not 
be given to appropriate implementation. Such as accounting for details 
as you suggest. Which at first blush don't seem insurmountable, 
reasonably typical, actually - to satisfy all the good use cases you 
well point out.


>> And, I daresay, there are many more users to come than there are
>> currently.
>
> Frankly, I doubt it (although thee will be some more).  More and more
> people are using a web browser for email, not an MUA.  In fact, the move
> seems to be to use a browser for everything.

I would have said so too, some while back. But I suspect things are 
starting to switch the other way. Especially with new devices where data 
connectivity is not always 24x7. I don't disagree this is a moving 
target, but wireless (cell) data rates are still too stupid expensive, 
and it feels like a point of resistance is being encountered. At least 
in Canada. Apparently cell handset (therefore tablets too) conversion is 
not nearly as high as the providers would like - the pitch is more 
content everywhere, but many are deciding that given the cost they can 
do without content everywhere (thus offline increasing). I'll try saying 
that differently - the original adoption rate of cell is not being 
mirrored in the adoption rate of newer / faster / more expensive data 
plans, and this is causing great consternation among the providers as 
sales increases are not happening as fast as they or investors would 
like or are used to. The massive investments in content is not 
triggering the desired ROI, ultimately leading to providers competing on 
price - which is a margin squishing exercise, lending content providing 
investments counter-productive. [Similar as to why reality TV has taken 
over the airwaves - production costs.]

- granted, providers are gleeful over tablets ... a second device to 
sell / provided connectivity to. Tablets may duplicate but will never 
replace cell, given voice connectivity desired everywhere, and (pocket) 
size being a factor. Tablets are replacing additional desktops, not 
additional handsets. And, I would hope, not replacing desktops entirely. 
Pry my local storage speed, copper connectivity, and keyboard out of my 
cold dead hands. [As you probably picked up on.] (-:

- FWIW, turns out, or is becoming more prevalent, only live current 
content (sports) is ultimately going to matter. i.e. Smaller (content) 
use case than everyone all the time, making provider's wishful thinking 
starting to become ... oops. (Over size of investments made.)

- I believe people are starting to realize ... only so many hours in a 
day, and why would I watch that event on a PDA rather than on a wide 
screen TV. Poorer quality too, given the screen size and data requirements.

I don't disagree that browser as app presenter is becoming more 
prevalent, especially as browsers become more capable. (Although even 
now HTML5 isn't exactly ubiquitous.) But this is, after all, merely the 
presentement. Replacing a qt/gtk display doesn't take away from all the 
rich processing goodness / back end present within CM. Whether messages 
are present threaded or not still applies.


>> The advantages to the new user have already been listed - no down side
>> for them, only upside.
>
> I disagree.  Although it's not me that needs convincing, but the dev
> team.

Fair enough - but I find it interesting 'bug' reports get mirrored to 
the list. Never encountered such before, but is definitely fascinating. 
Allowing the user community to inherently discuss pros/cons, and 
providing devs with more ready input than they otherwise might have. 
AND, I assume helps guide which changes are of more interest, and 
therefore what priority should be assigned to things. Interesting and 
fascinating.

Let alone different aspects of the request.

e.g. A visual indicator / icon of being in threaded mode or not would 
seem useful, while leaving the not/threaded default debate to the side 
for that moment. As would a config setting for not/threading upon new 
folder creation. Even if current default is not changed, such a config 
setting would leave things to per user choice (always a good thing) on a 
go forward basis.

Let alone, one way to deal with this would be to ask the question at 
install time - do you prefer threading or not. [Which is actually the 
big thing, I suppose - the unpleasant surprise the new user encounters 
after the fact. And it is always after the fact before a new user has 
sunk into the ecosystem far enough to understand what has been done to 
them.]

I don't disagree that it depends upon what you're used to - my point has 
been it wasn't what I was used to, unexpected, and caused a great deal 
of i/o time unnecessarily at migration / conversion time - where the 
instant gratification / initial impression to keep using or not is 
formed. And I think that my experience will be more typical on a go 
forward basis, given today's users, devices, and clients.

It has also now occurred to me, this also could be a per-folder 
properties setting, thus allowing an initial setting via 'apply to 
subfolders', and finer grained control after the fact.

But that last is independent of a visual cue of not/threaded mode, and 
default for new folders. It is more apparent that you're not in threaded 
mode when you want it, than that you are in threaded mode when you 
don't. (Can't prove a negative.)

Good discussion, thank you all. I never imagined, given my use case and 
the typical use case of the hundreds around me, that the request would 
be so controversial.

It is a little weird, however, to be dived upon so vigorously - 
presumably any project would want to foster a growing and participating 
community, not drive that participation away with aggravation. [Been 
doing this for decades, so such doesn't bother me, but it would most 
others I know.]

Cheers to all.


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Sun Sep 21 12:00:18 2014
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:00:18 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <541E96F0.2090404@gmail.com>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
 <20140920132530.4703d575@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <541D831C.809@gmail.com>
 <20140920162759.4d6bb178@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
 <541E96F0.2090404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140921110018.3dc38261@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 05:14:24 -0400
"B. S." <bs27975 at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello B.,

>There is no default / config file if the software has never been 
>installed. Thus, prior users are not impacted as prior users have had 

I'm either not explaining myself well, or you're misunderstanding me;

Nothing in config file pertaining to threading, I get default behaviour
(threaded).

I never change the default, still nothing in config file regarding
threading so I see threaded mail.

Default behaviour is changed to non-threaded.

By doing *nothing* I see a change.

Bad.

Now, I'm not saying CM behaves that way.  I don't remember, it's been
*years* since I installed it.  But the point remains;  Changing the
default may impact many existing users.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
Black man got a lot of problems, but he don't mind throwing a brick
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From irgunii at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 12:35:07 2014
From: irgunii at gmail.com (TN Patriot)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 05:35:07 -0500
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <541E89AF.9050204@gmail.com>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
 <20140920162506.77b45518@7-of-9> <541E89AF.9050204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140921053507.195693f8@FTF_FTG.FTP>

On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 04:17:51 -0400
"B. S." <bs27975 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 14-09-20 11:25 AM, pete nikolic wrote:
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Users mailing list
> >> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> >> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
> >
> > One day top posting WILL die
> 
> Actually, no, it won't, it will be bottom posting that does.
> 

if pompous lazy-asses like yourself, who actually *know* top-posting is used by
idiots *and* lazy people, then it *should* die, so those same useless lazy-asses
stop wasting *our* good air whining that it's better to be lazy!

-- 
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http://www.roadblock.org/rights/  Know your rights about and at roadblocks!

http://fija.org/  Learn about Jury Nullification! Take back your rights from the
over-reaching: police, justice system and government!


From gheskett at wdtv.com  Sun Sep 21 16:11:03 2014
From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 10:11:03 -0400
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <541E89AF.9050204@gmail.com>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920162506.77b45518@7-of-9> <541E89AF.9050204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201409211011.03302.gheskett@wdtv.com>

On Sunday 21 September 2014 04:17:51 B. S. did opine
And Gene did reply:
> On 14-09-20 11:25 AM, pete nikolic wrote:
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Users mailing list
> >> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> >> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
> > 
> > One day top posting WILL die
> 
> Actually, no, it won't, it will be bottom posting that does.
> 
> Not to get into a flamewar, but bottom posting is a relic from NNTP
> days, largely long gone - in favour of e-mail readers. This is, after
> all, an e-mail group, not a newsgroup. Things get used as people do -
> they don't get, nor care, what was and is the past, they just do what's
> most convenient to them and get on with their day. That may be
> inconsiderate and selfish, but it is what it is, and that doesn't seem
> to matter to them. Despite many efforts it hasn't taken and it should
> be obvious by now that it never will. More newcomers appear faster
> than any edumacation can overcome their natural inclinations, and
> they're not inclined to overcome natural inclinations. They're too
> busy ignoring convention and getting on with their day, in whatever
> way is fastest and most convenient to them. The world and use of
> E-MAIL is wider than I.T.
> 
> Devices and apps have moved on. Newsreading has been grafted on to
> e-mail, not the other way around. E-mail clients are ubiquitous, while
> NNTP clients are not. For the user, it's all e-mail, and they're not
> going to track which type is which type from what input source. They're
> just not, and they don't.
> 
> I'm sorry, I do feel your pain. But it is what it is. Whining about it
> merely consumes oxygen pointlessly. Deal. And stop wasting our oxygen
> in the process, please.
> 
> > I have almost ZERO mail that is not threaded therefore default
> > threaded is the Correct option for me  .
> > 
> > 
> > YMMV mine is fixed and stationary
> 
> As is mine.
> 
> What you seem to be missing is ... nothing changes for you. You lose
> nothing. This use case doesn't impact you.
> 
> Since that is the case, why are you whining?

But, you might want to ask yourself why a top posted reply, which is 
sometimes pages away from any discussion of the problem, are either 
ignored as non-sense or as meaningless drivel.

Yes, you are in the catbird seat IN YOUR HOUSE and can do as you damned 
well please THERE.  But this is a planet-wide platform and the best, most 
amicable results will be obtained by complying with each lists posting 
guidelines.

They are established as a means of reading a message, or a thread of them, 
in the same listen, speak a reply, listen to the rebuttal, looping until 
the problem is solved or the thread runs out of fuel.

Simply put,

Arguing the point will generally get you added to our plonk filters and 
your messages will never be seen again.  Kapish?

It would only take about a minute to compose a regex for mailfilter that 
would delete your messages from the mail spools at my isp's before 
fetchmail has a chance to pull them into my mail spool here. In fact, it 
is done.  Good bye.

Life is too short even if I am old enough to be your great-grandfather, to 
put up with self-centered individuals you exemplify.

My apologies for contributing to this weeks version of the flame-war that 
never ends to the rest of this list.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
US V Castleman, SCOTUS, Mar 2014 is grounds for Impeaching SCOTUS


From pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 18:13:59 2014
From: pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com (pete nikolic)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:13:59 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <20140920192714.1ac20888@penny>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
 <20140920162506.77b45518@7-of-9> <20140920192714.1ac20888@penny>
Message-ID: <20140921171359.005d1b8f@7-of-9>

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 19:27:14 +0200
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 16:25:06 +0100
> pete nikolic <pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > One day top posting WILL die 
> 
> Let's hope excessive quoting will follow it, then. :)
> 

And your point IS  ? ..


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From pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 18:15:23 2014
From: pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com (pete nikolic)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:15:23 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <541E89AF.9050204@gmail.com>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
 <20140920162506.77b45518@7-of-9> <541E89AF.9050204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140921171523.66581ed5@7-of-9>

On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 04:17:51 -0400
"B. S." <bs27975 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 14-09-20 11:25 AM, pete nikolic wrote:
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Users mailing list
> >> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> >> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
> >
> > One day top posting WILL die
> 
> Actually, no, it won't, it will be bottom posting that does.
> 
> Not to get into a flamewar, but bottom posting is a relic from NNTP 
> days, largely long gone - in favour of e-mail readers. This is, after 
> all, an e-mail group, not a newsgroup. Things get used as people do - 
> they don't get, nor care, what was and is the past, they just do what's 
> most convenient to them and get on with their day. That may be 
> inconsiderate and selfish, but it is what it is, and that doesn't seem 
> to matter to them. Despite many efforts it hasn't taken and it should be 
> obvious by now that it never will. More newcomers appear faster than any 
> edumacation can overcome their natural inclinations, and they're not 
> inclined to overcome natural inclinations. They're too busy ignoring 
> convention and getting on with their day, in whatever way is fastest and 
> most convenient to them. The world and use of E-MAIL is wider than I.T.
> 
> Devices and apps have moved on. Newsreading has been grafted on to 
> e-mail, not the other way around. E-mail clients are ubiquitous, while 
> NNTP clients are not. For the user, it's all e-mail, and they're not 
> going to track which type is which type from what input source. They're 
> just not, and they don't.
> 
> I'm sorry, I do feel your pain. But it is what it is. Whining about it 
> merely consumes oxygen pointlessly. Deal. And stop wasting our oxygen in 
> the process, please.
> 
> >
> > I have almost ZERO mail that is not threaded therefore default threaded is the
> > Correct option for me  .
> >
> >
> > YMMV mine is fixed and stationary
> 
> As is mine.
> 
> What you seem to be missing is ... nothing changes for you. You lose 
> nothing. This use case doesn't impact you.
> 
> Since that is the case, why are you whining?
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

Do i hear the whimper of MS in there  ?   


Pete .


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From itz at buug.org  Mon Sep 22 04:55:00 2014
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 19:55:00 -0700
Subject: [Users] Search for a From pattern AND a Subject pattern
Message-ID: <20140921195500.574e99e5.itz@buug.org>

I am trying to do a _normal search_ (not a "Quick search") for messages
containing a certain string in the From header _and_ another pattern in
the Subject header.  I don't get the behavior I want, even though I made
doubly sure I switched the drop-down selector to "Match all of the
following".  Instead, all messages matching _either_ criterion are
selected.

I can see a possible reason: in all cases, the selected messages are in
a _thread_ started by a message matching both criteria.  Is that how
it's supposed to work, ie. does the header matching logic always
consider the thread root?  Or is this a bug?

I can provide sample on pastebin if desired.  Claws 3.10.1, Gtk 2.24.10.

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From linxt at comcast.net  Mon Sep 22 05:44:49 2014
From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:44:49 -0700
Subject: [Users] Search for a From pattern AND a Subject pattern
In-Reply-To: <20140921195500.574e99e5.itz@buug.org>
References: <20140921195500.574e99e5.itz@buug.org>
Message-ID: <20140921204449.35558d96@desktop-1.home>

On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 19:55:00 -0700
Ian Zimmerman <itz at buug.org> wrote:

> I am trying to do a _normal search_ (not a "Quick search") for messages
> containing a certain string in the From header _and_ another pattern in
> the Subject header.  I don't get the behavior I want, even though I made
> doubly sure I switched the drop-down selector to "Match all of the
> following".  Instead, all messages matching _either_ criterion are
> selected.
> 
> I can see a possible reason: in all cases, the selected messages are in
> a _thread_ started by a message matching both criteria.  Is that how
> it's supposed to work, ie. does the header matching logic always
> consider the thread root?  Or is this a bug?
> 
> I can provide sample on pastebin if desired.  Claws 3.10.1, Gtk 2.24.10.
> 

If you are talking about messages in a mail list they will all have the same
"from" and all messages in a thread will have the same
"subject" (normally-unless someone has explicitly changed the subject.
Consequently all messages within that thread that meet the subject title will
be displayed.  Therefore what you have seen is the expected action.

Tom

-- 
Life takes on meaning when you become motivated, set goals and charge after them
in an unstoppable manner.
-Les Brown

^^  --...  ...--  / -.-  --.  --...  -.-.  ..-.  -.-.

^^^^
Tom Taylor  KG7CFC
openSUSE 13.1 (64-bit), Kernel 3.11.6-4-default,
KDE 4.11.2, AMD Phenom X4 955, GeForce GTX 550 Ti (Nvidia 337.19)
16GB RAM -- 3x1.5TB sata2 -- 128GB-SSD
FF 27.0, claws-mail 3.10.0
registered linux user 263467


From bs27975 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 06:16:21 2014
From: bs27975 at gmail.com (B. S.)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 00:16:21 -0400
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <20140921171523.66581ed5@7-of-9>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
 <20140920162506.77b45518@7-of-9> <541E89AF.9050204@gmail.com>
 <20140921171523.66581ed5@7-of-9>
Message-ID: <541FA295.8010703@gmail.com>



On 14-09-21 12:15 PM, pete nikolic wrote:
>
> Do i hear the whimper of MS in there  ?

Not a chance. Never again if I can help it. I vowed something like 15 
years ago to get off the MS treadmill of useless mind numbing reduce 
your productivity level to zero updates.

Been successful for the most part, except for the last laptop purchase - 
came with Win 8. Upgraded to Win 8.1. That tore it all - NEVER AGAIN! If 
nails on the coffin were coming loose, they are most firmly reinforced 
with glue and screws now.

I will take the most unusable Linux interface, like Gnome, before ever 
going back to ANYTHING  MS again.

(-:


From bs27975 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 06:29:50 2014
From: bs27975 at gmail.com (B. S.)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 00:29:50 -0400
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <20140921110018.3dc38261@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
 <20140920132530.4703d575@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <541D831C.809@gmail.com>
 <20140920162759.4d6bb178@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <541E96F0.2090404@gmail.com>
 <20140921110018.3dc38261@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <541FA5BE.40502@gmail.com>

On 14-09-21 06:00 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 05:14:24 -0400
> "B. S." <bs27975 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello B.,
>
>> There is no default / config file if the software has never been
>> installed. Thus, prior users are not impacted as prior users have had
>
> I'm either not explaining myself well, or you're misunderstanding me;

Ah, OK, I think I get you / that now.

But, in essence, there is a config file setting - simply by its absence, 
then. Tri-state: On, Off, Never Defined (software/code default).

Given, what you've said, then, I guess I'm proposing that there be one. 
Bear in mind, I guess I (erroneously?) extrapolated from a (proposed) 
setting in Configuration / Preferences to a setting in a config file.

Mind you - given later thread comments, threading is a per folder 
setting (?), so there must be a config setting in some file. (Let alone 
this proposed 'default non/threaded at new folder creation' config setting.

> Nothing in config file pertaining to threading, I get default behaviour
> (threaded).
>
> I never change the default, still nothing in config file regarding
> threading so I see threaded mail.
>
> Default behaviour is changed to non-threaded.
>
> By doing *nothing* I see a change.
>
> Bad.
>
> Now, I'm not saying CM behaves that way.  I don't remember, it's been
> *years* since I installed it.  But the point remains;  Changing the
> default may impact many existing users.

OK, you have a point, but I think we're coming from two different 
perspectives.

I get your point that a new config setting may insert a new config entry 
upon upgrade. Therefore, there would indeed be a (user transparent) change.

However, my intent / point was that you will see no impact in your 
normal use of the software.

Except, at new folder creation, if you have not changed the (new) 
default - perhaps a choice of changing default setting to threaded at 
upgrade or install. But even then, as I noted, it will be easily 
apparent to you that messages are not threaded (seeing two messages with 
the same subject line), while it is not so easily apparent when things 
are threaded (seeing one message with the same subject line, it being 
invisible that there are messages behind it). [Can't prove a negative.]

Again, which is in effect would be more easily discerned if there were a 
status icon displayed - perhaps to the left of the quick search on/off icon.


From itz at buug.org  Mon Sep 22 06:31:48 2014
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 21:31:48 -0700
Subject: [Users] Search for a From pattern AND a Subject pattern
In-Reply-To: <20140921204449.35558d96@desktop-1.home>
References: <20140921195500.574e99e5.itz@buug.org>
 <20140921204449.35558d96@desktop-1.home>
Message-ID: <20140921213148.0821c597.itz@buug.org>

On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:44:49 -0700,
Thomas Taylor <linxt at comcast.net> wrote:

Ian> I am trying to do a _normal search_ (not a "Quick search") for
Ian> messages containing a certain string in the From header _and_
Ian> another pattern in the Subject header.  I don't get the behavior I
Ian> want, even though I made doubly sure I switched the drop-down
Ian> selector to "Match all of the following".  Instead, all messages
Ian> matching _either_ criterion are selected.

Ian> I can see a possible reason: in all cases, the selected messages
Ian> are in a _thread_ started by a message matching both criteria.  Is
Ian> that how it's supposed to work, ie. does the header matching logic
Ian> always consider the thread root?  Or is this a bug?

Thomas> If you are talking about messages in a mail list they will all
Thomas> have the same "from" and all messages in a thread will have the
Thomas> same "subject" (normally-unless someone has explicitly changed
Thomas> the subject.  Consequently all messages within that thread that
Thomas> meet the subject title will be displayed.  Therefore what you
Thomas> have seen is the expected action.

No, I know quite well what I am talking about.  Subject and From
are different, although the pattern occurs in both Subjects.  But From
is altogether different.

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From itz at buug.org  Mon Sep 22 07:15:12 2014
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 22:15:12 -0700
Subject: [Users] Search for a From pattern AND a Subject pattern
In-Reply-To: <20140921195500.574e99e5.itz@buug.org>
References: <20140921195500.574e99e5.itz@buug.org>
Message-ID: <20140921221512.76d36ecf.itz@buug.org>

On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 19:55:00 -0700,
Ian Zimmerman <itz at buug.org> wrote:

Ian> I can see a possible reason: in all cases, the selected messages
Ian> are in a _thread_ started by a message matching both criteria.  Is
Ian> that how it's supposed to work, ie. does the header matching logic
Ian> always consider the thread root?  Or is this a bug?

Ian> I can provide sample on pastebin if desired.  Claws 3.10.1, Gtk
Ian> 2.24.10.

Since I get taken for a newbie, I'd better post the samples.

The root of the thread:

http://pastebin.com/uhPC3v38

and the reply:

http://pastebin.com/MdxSTbZZ

My search is:

Match all of the following
From: CTAN Announcements
Subject: CTAN Update:

This selects both messages, even though the From in the reply is
entirely unrelated.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep 22 08:55:58 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 06:55:58 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3288-595-EbTPVxeg8K@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3288

Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #1 from Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> ---
Hi,

There's an accelerator (Ctrl-T) for toggling the threaded mode on or off, so
there's no need to take hands off the keyboard for that.

Also, we won't change the default view to non-threaded, because we're
developing a respectable MUA here and people expect respectable MUAs to thread
their conversations.

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From carlosbecker at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 10:10:18 2014
From: carlosbecker at gmail.com (Carlos Becker)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:10:18 +0200
Subject: [Users] Show sent messages in inbox?
Message-ID: <CABABgCcn8Txy8_uxZB5WTRYLFNmVpw1VTx0Mcvnz0aPqUtAo8g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I've just started using claws mail, and so far I am very happy with it ;)

Now, one thing I want to have is a threaded view of conversations,
including the emails I received but also the ones I sent. However, so far
my sent mails only appear in the Sent folder, and the received ones in
Inbox, so that I cannot have them together in one mailbox.

Is it possible to make the Sent messages appear in the Inbox folder as
well? I am not sure how to deal with the filters/etc to achieve this.

(I am using it with IMAP)

Thank you!
Carlos
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From albert.aribaud at free.fr  Mon Sep 22 10:17:10 2014
From: albert.aribaud at free.fr (Albert ARIBAUD)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:17:10 +0200
Subject: [Users] Show sent messages in inbox?
In-Reply-To: <CABABgCcn8Txy8_uxZB5WTRYLFNmVpw1VTx0Mcvnz0aPqUtAo8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABABgCcn8Txy8_uxZB5WTRYLFNmVpw1VTx0Mcvnz0aPqUtAo8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140922101710.1fc8e472@lilith>

Bonjour Carlos,

Le Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:10:18 +0200, Carlos Becker
<carlosbecker at gmail.com> a écrit :

> Hello,
> 
> I've just started using claws mail, and so far I am very happy with it ;)
> 
> Now, one thing I want to have is a threaded view of conversations,
> including the emails I received but also the ones I sent. However, so far
> my sent mails only appear in the Sent folder, and the received ones in
> Inbox, so that I cannot have them together in one mailbox.
> 
> Is it possible to make the Sent messages appear in the Inbox folder as
> well? I am not sure how to deal with the filters/etc to achieve this.
> 
> (I am using it with IMAP)
> 
> Thank you!
> Carlos

You can go into your mail account's configuration, "Advanced" tab, and
you've got an option there to specify where sent messages should be
saved.

Amicalement,
-- 
Albert.


From carlosbecker at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 10:33:50 2014
From: carlosbecker at gmail.com (Carlos Becker)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:33:50 +0200
Subject: [Users] Show sent messages in inbox?
In-Reply-To: <20140922101710.1fc8e472@lilith>
References: <CABABgCcn8Txy8_uxZB5WTRYLFNmVpw1VTx0Mcvnz0aPqUtAo8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140922101710.1fc8e472@lilith>
Message-ID: <CABABgCcyKVk1tkGyenfDWG0ubgx3gKov6K=8vjfDhUvig3MTFw@mail.gmail.com>

Merci Albert!

but is it possible to put/copy sent emails to _both_ sent and inbox?
that would make it easier to search for sent emails and to have the
threaded view as well.

would the best option be to add a post-processing filter?

Thanks.



------------------------------------------
Carlos

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Albert ARIBAUD <albert.aribaud at free.fr>
wrote:

> Bonjour Carlos,
>
> Le Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:10:18 +0200, Carlos Becker
> <carlosbecker at gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've just started using claws mail, and so far I am very happy with it ;)
> >
> > Now, one thing I want to have is a threaded view of conversations,
> > including the emails I received but also the ones I sent. However, so far
> > my sent mails only appear in the Sent folder, and the received ones in
> > Inbox, so that I cannot have them together in one mailbox.
> >
> > Is it possible to make the Sent messages appear in the Inbox folder as
> > well? I am not sure how to deal with the filters/etc to achieve this.
> >
> > (I am using it with IMAP)
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Carlos
>
> You can go into your mail account's configuration, "Advanced" tab, and
> you've got an option there to specify where sent messages should be
> saved.
>
> Amicalement,
> --
> Albert.
>
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From rol at witbe.net  Mon Sep 22 10:41:53 2014
From: rol at witbe.net (Paul Rolland (=?UTF-8?B?44Od44O844Or44O744Ot44Op44Oz?=))
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:41:53 +0200
Subject: [Users] Show sent messages in inbox?
In-Reply-To: <CABABgCcyKVk1tkGyenfDWG0ubgx3gKov6K=8vjfDhUvig3MTFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABABgCcn8Txy8_uxZB5WTRYLFNmVpw1VTx0Mcvnz0aPqUtAo8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140922101710.1fc8e472@lilith>
 <CABABgCcyKVk1tkGyenfDWG0ubgx3gKov6K=8vjfDhUvig3MTFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140922104153.003ae256@riri.DEF.witbe.net>

Hello,

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:33:50 +0200
Carlos Becker <carlosbecker at gmail.com> wrote:

> but is it possible to put/copy sent emails to _both_ sent and inbox?
> that would make it easier to search for sent emails and to have the
> threaded view as well.
> 
> would the best option be to add a post-processing filter?

What I do is simply ask Claws to Cc: me automatically for each account I'm
interested in a full thread view ;)
Configuration > Edit accounts...
  Select the account and click Edit
    Goto to "Compose"
      In "Automatically set the following addresses", I've checked
        Cc: 
      and put my email address associated with that account.

Hope this helps,
Paul

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From mm at edor.eu  Mon Sep 22 10:53:16 2014
From: mm at edor.eu (Uwe)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:53:16 +0200
Subject: [Users] X-Priority:
Message-ID: <20140922105316.0c3dc47c@gp.inhouse.us>

Dear list,

I did not found a way to highlight or mark messages in my message list,
which have a "X-Priority" header. This messages mostly important and
should marked/colored in any different way.

One thing I do not understand further is the way of the priority
numbers, as I have mails marked as "high", but they have different
numbers:

Claws Mail: 		X-Priority: 2 (High) 
SAP NetWeaver:  	X-Priority: 1 (High)

best regards,
Uwe


From albert.aribaud at free.fr  Mon Sep 22 11:09:10 2014
From: albert.aribaud at free.fr (Albert ARIBAUD)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:09:10 +0200
Subject: [Users] X-Priority:
In-Reply-To: <20140922105316.0c3dc47c@gp.inhouse.us>
References: <20140922105316.0c3dc47c@gp.inhouse.us>
Message-ID: <20140922110910.1b8b6681@lilith>

Hi Uwe,

Le Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:53:16 +0200, Uwe <mm at edor.eu> a écrit :

> Dear list,
> 
> I did not found a way to highlight or mark messages in my message list,
> which have a "X-Priority" header. This messages mostly important and
> should marked/colored in any different way.

If you want to match any message with this header, you could probably
filter or process using the condition 'header "X-Priority" regexp
".*"' (and the coloring or tagging action of your choice)

> One thing I do not understand further is the way of the priority
> numbers, as I have mails marked as "high", but they have different
> numbers:
> 
> Claws Mail: 		X-Priority: 2 (High) 
> SAP NetWeaver:  	X-Priority: 1 (High)

Priority is certainly subjective. :)

If you want the priority level to be taken into account, you could
filter or process using several rules, one per priority level. Rule for
priority one would have condition 'header "X-Priority" match "1"' (and
the coloring or tagging action of your choice), rule for priority 2
would mach "2" etc.

You could even use the CM score if you prefer: each priority rule would
set the score to the rule's priority value (priority rule 1 would set
score to 1, priority rule 2 would set score to 2, etc) and then you
could use the score as you like, sorting messages by score (priority),
etc.

HTH.

> best regards,
> Uwe

Amicalement,
-- 
Albert.


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep 22 11:14:05 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:14:05 +0100
Subject: [Users] X-Priority:
In-Reply-To: <20140922105316.0c3dc47c@gp.inhouse.us>
References: <20140922105316.0c3dc47c@gp.inhouse.us>
Message-ID: <20140922101405.1ff01585@thewildbeast>

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:53:16 +0200
Uwe <mm at edor.eu> wrote: 

> One thing I do not understand further is the way of the priority
> numbers, as I have mails marked as "high", but they have different
> numbers:
> 
> Claws Mail: 		X-Priority: 2 (High) 
> SAP NetWeaver:  	X-Priority: 1 (High)

The wording doesn't really matter, it's the number which is
important. X-Priority goes from 1, which is the highest, to 5, which
is the lowest. 3 is normal.

In Claws:

X-Priority: 1 (Highest)
X-Priority: 2 (High)
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-Priority: 4 (Low)
X-Priority: 5 (Lowest)

No idea about sap netweaver.

with regards

Paul


-- 
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From mm at edor.eu  Mon Sep 22 11:27:52 2014
From: mm at edor.eu (Uwe)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:27:52 +0200
Subject: [Users] X-Priority:
In-Reply-To: <20140922101405.1ff01585@thewildbeast>
References: <20140922105316.0c3dc47c@gp.inhouse.us>
 <20140922101405.1ff01585@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20140922112752.7590f4d9@gp.inhouse.us>


Paul, any idea to to highlight such messages in the message list?


On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:14:05 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:53:16 +0200
> Uwe <mm at edor.eu> wrote: 
> 
> > One thing I do not understand further is the way of the priority
> > numbers, as I have mails marked as "high", but they have different
> > numbers:
> > 
> > Claws Mail: 		X-Priority: 2 (High) 
> > SAP NetWeaver:  	X-Priority: 1 (High)
> 
> The wording doesn't really matter, it's the number which is
> important. X-Priority goes from 1, which is the highest, to 5, which
> is the lowest. 3 is normal.
> 
> In Claws:
> 
> X-Priority: 1 (Highest)
> X-Priority: 2 (High)
> X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
> X-Priority: 4 (Low)
> X-Priority: 5 (Lowest)
> 
> No idea about sap netweaver.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
> 
> 


best regards,
Uwe


From carlosbecker at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 11:32:50 2014
From: carlosbecker at gmail.com (Carlos Becker)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:32:50 +0200
Subject: [Users] Show sent messages in inbox?
In-Reply-To: <20140922104153.003ae256@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
References: <CABABgCcn8Txy8_uxZB5WTRYLFNmVpw1VTx0Mcvnz0aPqUtAo8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140922101710.1fc8e472@lilith>
 <CABABgCcyKVk1tkGyenfDWG0ubgx3gKov6K=8vjfDhUvig3MTFw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140922104153.003ae256@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
Message-ID: <CABABgCeXjPovLFfv-4WfEGLTNt+WxSiGpe7Rr5h5qnBtJybRNA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, that should do ;)

I used bcc so it is not shown to the other recipients.

looking great, thanks again!


------------------------------------------
Carlos

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン) <rol at witbe.net>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:33:50 +0200
> Carlos Becker <carlosbecker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > but is it possible to put/copy sent emails to _both_ sent and inbox?
> > that would make it easier to search for sent emails and to have the
> > threaded view as well.
> >
> > would the best option be to add a post-processing filter?
>
> What I do is simply ask Claws to Cc: me automatically for each account I'm
> interested in a full thread view ;)
> Configuration > Edit accounts...
>   Select the account and click Edit
>     Goto to "Compose"
>       In "Automatically set the following addresses", I've checked
>         Cc:
>       and put my email address associated with that account.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Paul
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
>
>
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep 22 11:43:03 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:43:03 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3288-595-TmJuEnr32T@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3288

Bill S. <bs27975 at gmail.com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
         Resolution|INVALID                     |---

--- Comment #2 from Bill S. <bs27975 at gmail.com> ---
By definition, no user request is invalid.

(1) Your note does not address the request for an indicator.

(2) The unwillingness to change the default as threaded does not address any of
the other points made, e.g. User configurable setting - could you please
address those points as well.

(3) Could you please point me towards a universally accepted definition for the
term 'respectable mua'.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep 22 11:52:10 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:52:10 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3288-595-MNqldHQq6e@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3288

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|REOPENED                    |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

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From bs27975 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 11:51:58 2014
From: bs27975 at gmail.com (B. S.)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 05:51:58 -0400
Subject: [Users] Show sent messages in inbox?
In-Reply-To: <CABABgCcyKVk1tkGyenfDWG0ubgx3gKov6K=8vjfDhUvig3MTFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABABgCcn8Txy8_uxZB5WTRYLFNmVpw1VTx0Mcvnz0aPqUtAo8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140922101710.1fc8e472@lilith>
 <CABABgCcyKVk1tkGyenfDWG0ubgx3gKov6K=8vjfDhUvig3MTFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <541FF13E.4000707@gmail.com>


 > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Albert ARIBAUD
 > <albert.aribaud at free.fr> wrote:

 >> You can go into your mail account's configuration, "Advanced" tab,
 >> and you've got an option there to specify where sent messages
 >> should be saved.

This doesn't entirely deliver the expected result, it turns out. At 
least for me.

I have this set as you suggest, but still end up with a copy of the 
message in Sent. (As well as inbox.)

I believe this to be the imap provider (google one case, yahoo another, 
live.ca a 3rd) also automatically copying the outgoing message to sent.

On 14-09-22 04:33 AM, Carlos Becker wrote:
> Merci Albert!
>
> but is it possible to put/copy sent emails to _both_ sent and inbox?
> that would make it easier to search for sent emails and to have the
> threaded view as well.
>
> would the best option be to add a post-processing filter?

So, given the above, you may find what you're looking for already happening?

Alternately, with all messages in inbox, you could filter when you need 
to on your from address, and get what you're looking for on an as needed 
basis? And if you move messages from inbox to a subfolder, everything 
would move together, should you find that useful.


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep 22 12:00:35 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:00:35 +0100
Subject: [Users] Show sent messages in inbox?
In-Reply-To: <541FF13E.4000707@gmail.com>
References: <CABABgCcn8Txy8_uxZB5WTRYLFNmVpw1VTx0Mcvnz0aPqUtAo8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140922101710.1fc8e472@lilith>
 <CABABgCcyKVk1tkGyenfDWG0ubgx3gKov6K=8vjfDhUvig3MTFw@mail.gmail.com>
 <541FF13E.4000707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140922110035.17a672cd@thewildbeast>

This is incidental information, and may or may not be useful, but you
can use the 'reply finder' feature to go to your msgs. There are some
caveats, e.g. your sent msgs must reside in the expected Sent folder.

Click on the 'replied' icon in the 'S' column of the message list and
you will be taken to your sent reply.

regards

Paul

-- 
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From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com  Mon Sep 22 12:08:12 2014
From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:38:12 +0530
Subject: [Users] X-Priority:
In-Reply-To: <20140922112752.7590f4d9@gp.inhouse.us>
References: <20140922105316.0c3dc47c@gp.inhouse.us>
 <20140922101405.1ff01585@thewildbeast>
 <20140922112752.7590f4d9@gp.inhouse.us>
Message-ID: <20140922153812.00005c5f@netsolutionsindia.com>

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:27:52 +0200, Uwe wrote:

> Paul, any idea to to highlight such messages in the message list?

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2804

:)



From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep 22 12:14:39 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:14:39 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3288-595-GSfqEKJlbD@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3288

--- Comment #3 from Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> ---
Hi,

We're not willing to change default behaviours that work for almost everybody
since twelve years based on the personal preference of a single new user.

Also, reopening things we close as developers won't make us magically change
our minds, on the contrary.

(1) and (2) Your request for an indicator could be made in a specific and
different RFE, same for a global default for new folders; but I have to tell
you that they both have very little chances to be implemented.

(3) No, I can't.

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From colin at colino.net  Mon Sep 22 12:20:20 2014
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 12:20:20 +0200
Subject: [Users] X-Priority:
In-Reply-To: <20140922112752.7590f4d9@gp.inhouse.us>
References: <20140922105316.0c3dc47c@gp.inhouse.us>
 <20140922101405.1ff01585@thewildbeast>
 <20140922112752.7590f4d9@gp.inhouse.us>
Message-ID: <20140922122020.2f64b3ee@colin.i-run.lau>

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:27:52 +0200, Uwe <mm at edor.eu> wrote:

> Paul, any idea to to highlight such messages in the message list?

Filtering rules like:

header "X-Priority" matchcase "1" color 2
header "X-Priority" matchcase "2" color 1

Should work.

You can use pre-processing rules if you prefer but that'll slow down
folder opening because X-Priority is not a cached header, so maybe

new & header "X-Priority" matchcase "1" color 2
new & header "X-Priority" matchcase "2" color 1

is better, to limit the search to new messages.

HTH,
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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Mon Sep 22 12:17:14 2014
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:17:14 +0100
Subject: [Users] Search for a From pattern AND a Subject pattern
In-Reply-To: <20140921204449.35558d96@desktop-1.home>
References: <20140921195500.574e99e5.itz@buug.org>
 <20140921204449.35558d96@desktop-1.home>
Message-ID: <20140922111714.1a42219b@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:44:49 -0700
Thomas Taylor <linxt at comcast.net> wrote:

Hello Thomas,

>If you are talking about messages in a mail list they will all have the
>same "from" and all messages in a thread will have the same

ITYFT it's the "To:" header that invariably contains the list email
address.  It may, additionally, carry other addresses of course.  Of the
many mailing lists I'm on, it's only those run by RootsWeb that always
set the "From:" email address to be the list address, whilst keeping the 
poster's name.  Most lists only change the "From:" header as part of a
DMARC policy backscatter avoidance problem.

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        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
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From colin at colino.net  Mon Sep 22 12:24:46 2014
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 12:24:46 +0200
Subject: [Users] Search for a From pattern AND a Subject pattern
In-Reply-To: <20140921221512.76d36ecf.itz@buug.org>
References: <20140921195500.574e99e5.itz@buug.org>
 <20140921221512.76d36ecf.itz@buug.org>
Message-ID: <20140922122446.5d0a44cc@colin.i-run.lau>

Hi,

> Match all of the following
> From: CTAN Announcements
> Subject: CTAN Update:

So I suppose the resulting query is 
from matchcase "CTAN Announcements" & subject matchcase "CTAN Update:"

Is this happening on an IMAP mailbox?
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From h.m.brand at xs4all.nl  Mon Sep 22 12:35:55 2014
From: h.m.brand at xs4all.nl (H.Merijn Brand)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 12:35:55 +0200
Subject: [Users] X-Priority:
In-Reply-To: <20140922122020.2f64b3ee@colin.i-run.lau>
References: <20140922105316.0c3dc47c@gp.inhouse.us>
 <20140922101405.1ff01585@thewildbeast>
 <20140922112752.7590f4d9@gp.inhouse.us>
 <20140922122020.2f64b3ee@colin.i-run.lau>
Message-ID: <20140922123555.1e2384ca@pc09.procura.nl>

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 12:20:20 +0200, Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net>
wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:27:52 +0200, Uwe <mm at edor.eu> wrote:
> 
> > Paul, any idea to to highlight such messages in the message list?
> 
> Filtering rules like:
> 
> header "X-Priority" matchcase "1" color 2
> header "X-Priority" matchcase "2" color 1
> 
> Should work.
> 
> You can use pre-processing rules if you prefer but that'll slow down
> folder opening because X-Priority is not a cached header, so maybe

I never realized that. That might indeed cause some slowdown with my
biggish list of filtering rules. Is there a documented set of cached
headers?

$ wc -l matcherrc
83 matcherrc

> new & header "X-Priority" matchcase "1" color 2
> new & header "X-Priority" matchcase "2" color 1
> 
> is better, to limit the search to new messages.
> 
> HTH,


-- 
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep 22 13:15:29 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:15:29 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3288-595-iHmEOFTQol@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3288

--- Comment #4 from Bill S. <bs27975 at gmail.com> ---
Thank you for the note.


> Also, reopening things we close as developers won't make us magically change our minds, on the contrary.

I think you misunderstand, then.

How else to get further understanding of actions taken other than to reopen?

Let alone, if it had been changed to closed / won't fix I would get that -
however resolved / invalid ... doesn't seem to intuitively fit. (The request is
neither resolved, nor invalid, so I'm confused.)


> (1) and (2) Your request for an indicator could be made in a specific and different RFE

Fair point, thank you.


>> (3) Could you please point me towards a universally accepted definition for the term 'respectable mua'.

> (3) No, I can't.

Then how can you say / what is your reference for the comment:

>> people expect respectable MUAs to thread their conversations.

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From colin at colino.net  Mon Sep 22 14:34:46 2014
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 14:34:46 +0200
Subject: [Users] X-Priority:
In-Reply-To: <20140922123555.1e2384ca@pc09.procura.nl>
References: <20140922105316.0c3dc47c@gp.inhouse.us>
 <20140922101405.1ff01585@thewildbeast>
 <20140922112752.7590f4d9@gp.inhouse.us>
 <20140922122020.2f64b3ee@colin.i-run.lau>
 <20140922123555.1e2384ca@pc09.procura.nl>
Message-ID: <20140922143446.4e93d223@colin.i-run.lau>

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 12:35:55 +0200, "H.Merijn Brand"
<h.m.brand at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> I never realized that. That might indeed cause some slowdown with my
> biggish list of filtering rules. Is there a documented set of cached
> headers?

Not yet! But it should indeed exist. The cached headers are:

Date
From
To
Cc
Newsgroups
Subject
Message-ID
In-Reply-To
References

Testing on the rest of the headers needs parsing the headers from file
(and, the first time, needs a full header download on IMAP).

HTH,
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From itz at buug.org  Mon Sep 22 17:34:06 2014
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:34:06 -0700
Subject: [Users] Search for a From pattern AND a Subject pattern
In-Reply-To: <20140922122446.5d0a44cc@colin.i-run.lau>
References: <20140921195500.574e99e5.itz@buug.org>
 <20140921221512.76d36ecf.itz@buug.org>
 <20140922122446.5d0a44cc@colin.i-run.lau>
Message-ID: <20140922083406.0a058d2f.itz@buug.org>

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 12:24:46 +0200,
Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> wrote:

Ian> Match all of the following
Ian> From: CTAN Announcements
Ian> Subject: CTAN Update:

Colin> So I suppose the resulting query is
Colin> from matchcase "CTAN Announcements" & subject matchcase "CTAN Update:"

Colin> Is this happening on an IMAP mailbox?

Yes.

Does Claws actually use IMAP server side search?  I didn't think so.

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From mir at miras.org  Mon Sep 22 17:52:21 2014
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:52:21 +0200
Subject: [Users] Search for a From pattern AND a Subject pattern
In-Reply-To: <20140922083406.0a058d2f.itz@buug.org>
References: <20140921195500.574e99e5.itz@buug.org>
 <20140921221512.76d36ecf.itz@buug.org>
 <20140922122446.5d0a44cc@colin.i-run.lau>
 <20140922083406.0a058d2f.itz@buug.org>
Message-ID: <20140922175221.7692dfe7@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:34:06 -0700
Ian Zimmerman <itz at buug.org> wrote:

> Does Claws actually use IMAP server side search?  I didn't think so.
> 
AFAIK this was one of the improvements in 3.10 release.

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From pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 20:46:48 2014
From: pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com (pete nikolic)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:46:48 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <541FA295.8010703@gmail.com>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
 <20140920162506.77b45518@7-of-9> <541E89AF.9050204@gmail.com>
 <20140921171523.66581ed5@7-of-9> <541FA295.8010703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140922194648.7b7e577e@7-of-9>

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 00:16:21 -0400
"B. S." <bs27975 at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> On 14-09-21 12:15 PM, pete nikolic wrote:
> >
> > Do i hear the whimper of MS in there  ?
> 
> Not a chance. Never again if I can help it. I vowed something like 15 
> years ago to get off the MS treadmill of useless mind numbing reduce 
> your productivity level to zero updates.
> 
> Been successful for the most part, except for the last laptop purchase - 
> came with Win 8. Upgraded to Win 8.1. That tore it all - NEVER AGAIN! If 
> nails on the coffin were coming loose, they are most firmly reinforced 
> with glue and screws now.
> 
> I will take the most unusable Linux interface, like Gnome, before ever 
> going back to ANYTHING  MS again.
> 
> (-:
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

Well we can at least agree on one thing   got out of it when Linux was still text
only  never looked back   ..  


Pete .
 

-- 
Illegitimi non carborundum


From armunro at gci.net  Tue Sep 23 00:14:07 2014
From: armunro at gci.net (Alan Munro)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 14:14:07 -0800
Subject: [Users] please unsubscribe me fro your list
Message-ID: <20140922141407.00002960@gci.net>

Please remove my email from your list. Way too tech-driven for my level
of interest. 
Thank you kindly, 
Alan R. Munro
armunro at gci.net

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From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Tue Sep 23 02:13:39 2014
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:13:39 -0400
Subject: [Users] please unsubscribe me fro your list
In-Reply-To: <20140922141407.00002960@gci.net>
References: <20140922141407.00002960@gci.net>
Message-ID: <20140922201339.158adec6@ron.cerrocora.org>

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 14:14:07 -0800
Alan Munro <armunro at gci.net> wrote:

> Please remove my email from your list. Way too tech-driven for my level
> of interest. 

Dare I suggest you look at the headers of one list message, and follow the instruction given:l

List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/users>, 
 <mailto:users-request at lists.claws-mail.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
                 There has been of late an alarming increase
                in the number of things I know nothing about.
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 



From gheskett at wdtv.com  Tue Sep 23 04:36:21 2014
From: gheskett at wdtv.com (Gene Heskett)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 22:36:21 -0400
Subject: [Users] please unsubscribe me fro your list
Message-ID: <201409222236.21752.gheskett@wdtv.com>

On Monday 22 September 2014 18:14:07 Alan Munro did opine
And Gene did reply:
> Please remove my email from your list. Way too tech-driven for my level
> of interest.
> Thank you kindly,
> Alan R. Munro
> armunro at gci.net

As in 99% of the mailing lists, only you can do that.  The unsubscribe 
links are toward the bottom of the page your browser will take you to when 
you click on the last line of any message.  And you MUST reply as directed 
to in the confirming message you will get from the server. 
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
US V Castleman, SCOTUS, Mar 2014 is grounds for Impeaching SCOTUS


From bs27975 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 05:23:03 2014
From: bs27975 at gmail.com (B. S.)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:23:03 -0400
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <20140922194648.7b7e577e@7-of-9>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
 <20140920162506.77b45518@7-of-9> <541E89AF.9050204@gmail.com>
 <20140921171523.66581ed5@7-of-9> <541FA295.8010703@gmail.com>
 <20140922194648.7b7e577e@7-of-9>
Message-ID: <5420E797.6030204@gmail.com>

On 14-09-22 02:46 PM, pete nikolic wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 00:16:21 -0400
> "B. S." <bs27975 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 14-09-21 12:15 PM, pete nikolic wrote:
>>>
>>> Do i hear the whimper of MS in there  ?
>>
.
.
.
>>
>> (-:
>> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
>> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
>
> Well we can at least agree on one thing   got out of it when Linux was still text
> only  never looked back   ..

But we inherently run into a problem, though, being I.T. ...

We exist to help users. And they are, and will always be, running gui's 
in this day and age. To best appreciate their situation, then, we must 
too if we are to be the help and solution providers to them we try to 
be. (I can't imagine going back to wordstar to write documentation.)

They may be misguided in some things, or not know how best to get there, 
or why some things are unreasonable, but their underlying desires and 
intent are honest - to get on with their day in fashions *they* 
-intuitively- understand as quickly and efficiently as possible, so they 
can get on with making things out of the data, not how to go about doing 
so, nor the maintenance of the systems necessary for them to be able to 
do so. The workflow -they- wish, unreasonable or no, are our design 
parameters - the I.T. tail cannot be wagging the user dog.

Myself, still don't get tablets / no keyboards.

Even a long time I.T. guy with a tablet, who knows 'better' - even he 
notes he's no longer willing to edit posts and bottom post. Users just 
aren't, and we'll have to deal. Just too much and aggravating on a 
tablet. He and they are not alone, and they are growing faster than the 
rest.

Yet we 'I.T. guys' created and delivered to those users ... tablets, 
smart phones, ...



From pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 08:32:57 2014
From: pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com (pete nikolic)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 07:32:57 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <5420E797.6030204@gmail.com>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
 <20140920162506.77b45518@7-of-9> <541E89AF.9050204@gmail.com>
 <20140921171523.66581ed5@7-of-9> <541FA295.8010703@gmail.com>
 <20140922194648.7b7e577e@7-of-9> <5420E797.6030204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140923073257.60de6a6c@7-of-9>

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:23:03 -0400
"B. S." <bs27975 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 14-09-22 02:46 PM, pete nikolic wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 00:16:21 -0400
> > "B. S." <bs27975 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 14-09-21 12:15 PM, pete nikolic wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Do i hear the whimper of MS in there  ?
> >>
> .
> .
> .
> >>
> >> (-:
> >> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> >> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
> >
> > Well we can at least agree on one thing   got out of it when Linux was still text
> > only  never looked back   ..
> 
> But we inherently run into a problem, though, being I.T. ...
> 
> We exist to help users. And they are, and will always be, running gui's 
> in this day and age. To best appreciate their situation, then, we must 
> too if we are to be the help and solution providers to them we try to 
> be. (I can't imagine going back to wordstar to write documentation.)
> 
> They may be misguided in some things, or not know how best to get there, 
> or why some things are unreasonable, but their underlying desires and 
> intent are honest - to get on with their day in fashions *they* 
> -intuitively- understand as quickly and efficiently as possible, so they 
> can get on with making things out of the data, not how to go about doing 
> so, nor the maintenance of the systems necessary for them to be able to 
> do so. The workflow -they- wish, unreasonable or no, are our design 
> parameters - the I.T. tail cannot be wagging the user dog.
> 
> Myself, still don't get tablets / no keyboards.

Hate the dang things , And someone forget who it was said tables will take over
not a hope in hell like you say no keyboard  those touchy things are hummm   dont
really have to say it do i 

> 
> Even a long time I.T. guy with a tablet, who knows 'better' - even he 
> notes he's no longer willing to edit posts and bottom post. Users just 
> aren't, and we'll have to deal. Just too much and aggravating on a 
> tablet. He and they are not alone, and they are growing faster than the 
> rest.
> 
> Yet we 'I.T. guys' created and delivered to those users ... tablets, 
> smart phones, ...
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

Any how this is wondering way way way OT so i will leave it there else it will lead
to ear tweaking by some people ..


Cheers   Pete .


-- 
Illegitimi non carborundum


From carlosbecker at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 08:57:14 2014
From: carlosbecker at gmail.com (Carlos Becker)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:57:14 +0200
Subject: [Users] Show sent messages in inbox?
In-Reply-To: <20140922110035.17a672cd@thewildbeast>
References: <CABABgCcn8Txy8_uxZB5WTRYLFNmVpw1VTx0Mcvnz0aPqUtAo8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140922101710.1fc8e472@lilith>
 <CABABgCcyKVk1tkGyenfDWG0ubgx3gKov6K=8vjfDhUvig3MTFw@mail.gmail.com>
 <541FF13E.4000707@gmail.com> <20140922110035.17a672cd@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <CABABgCfAjSbtB0oxa4Lwwk5T05dKdk_X+2t+6LTmnQoj6h3+PQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all for your answers.

It is not ideal now, but I use a self-BCC, as suggested above.

One thing that still troubles me is that, in threaded view, threads with
new messages are not 'sorted' the way I would sort them, when sorted by
date.
It seems to be that it sorts thread using the date of the first message in
that thread, is there a way to change this, so it would use the newest
message as the sorting key?

Thanks!


------------------------------------------
Carlos

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> This is incidental information, and may or may not be useful, but you
> can use the 'reply finder' feature to go to your msgs. There are some
> caveats, e.g. your sent msgs must reside in the expected Sent folder.
>
> Click on the 'replied' icon in the 'S' column of the message list and
> you will be taken to your sent reply.
>
> regards
>
> Paul
>
> --
> Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières
> _______________________________________________
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Sep 23 09:04:58 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:04:58 +0100
Subject: [Users] Show sent messages in inbox?
In-Reply-To: <CABABgCfAjSbtB0oxa4Lwwk5T05dKdk_X+2t+6LTmnQoj6h3+PQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABABgCcn8Txy8_uxZB5WTRYLFNmVpw1VTx0Mcvnz0aPqUtAo8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140922101710.1fc8e472@lilith>
 <CABABgCcyKVk1tkGyenfDWG0ubgx3gKov6K=8vjfDhUvig3MTFw@mail.gmail.com>
 <541FF13E.4000707@gmail.com> <20140922110035.17a672cd@thewildbeast>
 <CABABgCfAjSbtB0oxa4Lwwk5T05dKdk_X+2t+6LTmnQoj6h3+PQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140923080458.2d079b67@thewildbeast>

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:57:14 +0200
Carlos Becker <carlosbecker at gmail.com> wrote: 

> One thing that still troubles me is that, in threaded view, threads
> with new messages are not 'sorted' the way I would sort them, when
> sorted by date.
> It seems to be that it sorts thread using the date of the first
> message in that thread, is there a way to change this, so it would
> use the newest message as the sorting key?

Use '/View/Sort/By thread date' (instead of 'by date').

Please don't send replies to me and the list. You must be subscribed
to post, I read all list msgs, just send your response to the list.
Thanks.

with regards

Paul


-- 
Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières


From carlosbecker at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 09:08:56 2014
From: carlosbecker at gmail.com (Carlos Becker)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:08:56 +0200
Subject: [Users] Show sent messages in inbox?
In-Reply-To: <20140923080458.2d079b67@thewildbeast>
References: <CABABgCcn8Txy8_uxZB5WTRYLFNmVpw1VTx0Mcvnz0aPqUtAo8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140922101710.1fc8e472@lilith>
 <CABABgCcyKVk1tkGyenfDWG0ubgx3gKov6K=8vjfDhUvig3MTFw@mail.gmail.com>
 <541FF13E.4000707@gmail.com> <20140922110035.17a672cd@thewildbeast>
 <CABABgCfAjSbtB0oxa4Lwwk5T05dKdk_X+2t+6LTmnQoj6h3+PQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140923080458.2d079b67@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <CABABgCf3AbvVCVppgSNhi4PBTVLmnhsiqjw15rZsq=qWeVvcig@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Paul, my mistake, I had reply-to-all by default, fixed now.

Thanks, that works perfectly, I am slowly discovering claws.

Cheers.


------------------------------------------
Carlos

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:57:14 +0200
> Carlos Becker <carlosbecker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > One thing that still troubles me is that, in threaded view, threads
> > with new messages are not 'sorted' the way I would sort them, when
> > sorted by date.
> > It seems to be that it sorts thread using the date of the first
> > message in that thread, is there a way to change this, so it would
> > use the newest message as the sorting key?
>
> Use '/View/Sort/By thread date' (instead of 'by date').
>
> Please don't send replies to me and the list. You must be subscribed
> to post, I read all list msgs, just send your response to the list.
> Thanks.
>
> with regards
>
> Paul
>
>
> --
> Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
>
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From colin at colino.net  Tue Sep 23 09:26:40 2014
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:26:40 +0200
Subject: [Users] Search for a From pattern AND a Subject pattern
In-Reply-To: <20140922083406.0a058d2f.itz@buug.org>
References: <20140921195500.574e99e5.itz@buug.org>
 <20140921221512.76d36ecf.itz@buug.org>
 <20140922122446.5d0a44cc@colin.i-run.lau>
 <20140922083406.0a058d2f.itz@buug.org>
Message-ID: <20140923092640.6d6b04d4@colin.i-run.lau>

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:34:06 -0700, Ian Zimmerman <itz at buug.org> wrote:

> Colin> So I suppose the resulting query is
> Colin> from matchcase "CTAN Announcements" & subject matchcase "CTAN
> Colin> Update:"  
> 
> Colin> Is this happening on an IMAP mailbox?  
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Does Claws actually use IMAP server side search?  I didn't think so.

In fact, yes, for some searches. But my question was useless because
for From/Subject headers, local information is used as this is much
faster.

-- 
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From itz at buug.org  Tue Sep 23 09:30:18 2014
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 00:30:18 -0700
Subject: [Users] Tablets [Was: Set default message view NOT threaded.]
In-Reply-To: <20140923073257.60de6a6c@7-of-9>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
 <20140920162506.77b45518@7-of-9> <541E89AF.9050204@gmail.com>
 <20140921171523.66581ed5@7-of-9> <541FA295.8010703@gmail.com>
 <20140922194648.7b7e577e@7-of-9> <5420E797.6030204@gmail.com>
 <20140923073257.60de6a6c@7-of-9>
Message-ID: <20140923003018.606f49d8.itz@buug.org>

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 07:32:57 +0100,
pete nikolic <pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com> wrote:

>> Myself, still don't get tablets / no keyboards.

> Hate the dang things , And someone forget who it was said tables will take over
> not a hope in hell like you say no keyboard  those touchy things are hummm   dont
> really have to say it do i

I converted mine into a media player.  Works quite well that way :-)  No
spying, either.  And since it cannot send mail, I don't have to top-post.

-- 
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From albert.aribaud at free.fr  Tue Sep 23 09:54:54 2014
From: albert.aribaud at free.fr (Albert ARIBAUD)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:54:54 +0200
Subject: [Users] Show sent messages in inbox?
In-Reply-To: <CABABgCfAjSbtB0oxa4Lwwk5T05dKdk_X+2t+6LTmnQoj6h3+PQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABABgCcn8Txy8_uxZB5WTRYLFNmVpw1VTx0Mcvnz0aPqUtAo8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20140922101710.1fc8e472@lilith>
 <CABABgCcyKVk1tkGyenfDWG0ubgx3gKov6K=8vjfDhUvig3MTFw@mail.gmail.com>
 <541FF13E.4000707@gmail.com> <20140922110035.17a672cd@thewildbeast>
 <CABABgCfAjSbtB0oxa4Lwwk5T05dKdk_X+2t+6LTmnQoj6h3+PQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140923095454.12d00ab2@lilith>

Hi Carlos,

Le Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:57:14 +0200, Carlos Becker
<carlosbecker at gmail.com> a écrit :

> One thing that still troubles me is that, in threaded view, threads with
> new messages are not 'sorted' the way I would sort them, when sorted by
> date.
> It seems to be that it sorts thread using the date of the first message in
> that thread, is there a way to change this, so it would use the newest
> message as the sorting key?

In View/Sort, try 'By date' vs. 'By thread date'. One of them should
match your needs.

> Thanks!

Amicalement,
-- 
Albert.


From itz at buug.org  Tue Sep 23 17:33:15 2014
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:33:15 -0700
Subject: [Users] Search for a From pattern AND a Subject pattern
In-Reply-To: <20140921195500.574e99e5.itz@buug.org>
References: <20140921195500.574e99e5.itz@buug.org>
Message-ID: <20140923083315.20ab46ac.itz@buug.org>

On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 19:55:00 -0700,
Ian Zimmerman <itz at buug.org> wrote:

> I am trying to do a _normal search_ (not a "Quick search") for messages
> containing a certain string in the From header _and_ another pattern in
> the Subject header.  I don't get the behavior I want, even though I made
> doubly sure I switched the drop-down selector to "Match all of the
> following".  Instead, all messages matching _either_ criterion are
> selected.

Hmm.  It seems to have fixed itself.

I have no idea what I am doing differently today.

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From newsboy at scarlet-jade.com  Tue Sep 23 19:10:30 2014
From: newsboy at scarlet-jade.com (Graham P Davis)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 18:10:30 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] New: Set default message view NOT threaded.
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140920080739.07b5e83e@7-of-9> <541D3E02.8070009@gmail.com>
 <20140920162506.77b45518@7-of-9> <541E89AF.9050204@gmail.com>
 <20140921171523.66581ed5@7-of-9> <541FA295.8010703@gmail.com>
 <20140922194648.7b7e577e@7-of-9> <5420E797.6030204@gmail.com>
 <20140923073257.60de6a6c@7-of-9>
Message-ID: <20140923181030.591c79d3@linux-omey>

On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 07:32:57 +0100
pete nikolic <pg.nikolic1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Myself, still don't get tablets / no keyboards.  
> 
> Hate the dang things , And someone forget who it was said tables will
> take over not a hope in hell like you say no keyboard  those touchy
> things are hummm   dont really have to say it do i 

I used to work with a couple of people who hated VDUs and continued to
use punch-cards until the card-reader was disconnected and carted out
of the building.

I still have a hand-punch for punching holes in paper tape if you think
punch cards are too new-fangled.  ;-)

-- 
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
OS: Linux: openSUSE 13.2-m0 (64-bit); KDE 4.14.1; Kernel: 3.16.2





From jk at socant.net  Wed Sep 24 06:29:29 2014
From: jk at socant.net (Jens Kjaerulff)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 21:29:29 -0700
Subject: [Users] SSH tunnel for Spamassassin?
Message-ID: <20140923212929.18e5740a@AAU800397>


I am trying to get the Spamassassin plugin to work with Claws, appears
a bit of a challenge. I am informed by my mail server admin, that I
need to establish an SSH tunnel to have my local spamc connect with the
server's spamd, so that I can 'teach' Spamassassin what is spam and ham.

So how do I actually makes this SSH tunnel, using the appropriate ports?
I have been trying to follow directions at:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/PortForwarding

but I can't get it to work it seems. Some step by step instructions
from someone on the list in-the-know would be much appreciated.


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Sep 24 11:16:29 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 09:16:29 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2816] LDAP addressbook search crashes Claws Mail
In-Reply-To: <bug-2816-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2816-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2816-595-hqnaWqWlr9@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2816

--- Comment #8 from Marius <marius_mtm at yahoo.com> ---
I can also confirm this:
Claws Mail
version 3.10.1

Windows 7 AMD64

It crashes everytime when I search for the second email address.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Sep 24 11:26:27 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 09:26:27 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2816] LDAP addressbook search crashes Claws Mail
In-Reply-To: <bug-2816-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2816-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2816-595-1qV1atp8V1@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2816

--- Comment #9 from Marius <marius_mtm at yahoo.com> ---
(In reply to comment #8)
> I can also confirm this:
> Claws Mail
> version 3.10.1
> 
> Windows 7 AMD64
> 
> It crashes everytime when I search for the second email address.

(1390.ecc): Access violation - code c0000005 (first chance)
First chance exceptions are reported before any exception handling.
This exception may be expected and handled.
eax=0000006c ebx=7264534c ecx=00be73ec edx=005c007a esi=00000000 edi=00bf7078
eip=7733ae49 esp=08edfe5c ebp=08edfe68 iopl=0         nv up ei pl nz na pe nc
cs=0023  ss=002b  ds=002b  es=002b  fs=0053  gs=002b             efl=00010206
*** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found.  Defaulted to export symbols for
C:\Windows\syswow64\wldap32.dll - 
wldap32!ldap_memfreeW+0x2e1:
7733ae49 833800          cmp     dword ptr [eax],0    ds:002b:0000006c=????????
0:006> r eax
eax=0000006c
0:006> kv
ChildEBP RetAddr  Args to Child              
WARNING: Stack unwind information not available. Following frames may be wrong.
08edfe68 7733a42a 00be73ec 00be73f0 00000000 wldap32!ldap_memfreeW+0x2e1
08edfe8c 7733a4ce 7736e088 00000000 764826e0 wldap32!LdapUnicodeToUTF8+0x23ed
*** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found.  Defaulted to export symbols for
C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\Claws Mail\claws-mail.exe - 
08edfea8 005946b8 00be7504 00000001 00000000 wldap32!ldap_unbind+0x87
08edfec8 00594ba0 0addbdb8 08edfee8 00594b53 claws_mail!ldapqry_touch+0x1db
08edfee8 00594ce2 0addbdb8 00000000 08edff18 claws_mail!ldapqry_touch+0x6c3
*** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found.  Defaulted to export symbols for
C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\Claws Mail\pthreadGC2.dll - 
08edff18 62483ef2 0addbdb8 05d69578 76483ae8 claws_mail!ldapqry_touch+0x805
*** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found.  Defaulted to export symbols for
C:\Windows\syswow64\msvcrt.dll - 
08edff48 763f1287 0ad2b0d8 4ee474e7 00000000 pthreadGC2!pthread_exit+0x112
08edff80 763f1328 08edff94 755b338a 086b0190 msvcrt!itow_s+0x4c
08edff88 755b338a 086b0190 08edffd4 77aa9f72 msvcrt!endthreadex+0x6c
08edff94 77aa9f72 086b0190 7f40665e 00000000 kernel32!BaseThreadInitThunk+0x12
08edffd4 77aa9f45 763f12e5 086b0190 00000000
ntdll!RtlInitializeExceptionChain+0x63
08edffec 00000000 763f12e5 086b0190 00000000
ntdll!RtlInitializeExceptionChain+0x36

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From stephan at holl-land.de  Wed Sep 24 21:28:04 2014
From: stephan at holl-land.de (Stephan Holl)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 21:28:04 +0200
Subject: [Users] Use python-plugin to force tab-completion for adress-search
Message-ID: <20140924212804.4a9928e3@bim.hgs42>

Dear devs,

while playing arround with pycarddav[1] I am searching for an option
using my carddav-contacts within claws adress-completion. 
I am thinking about using the python-plugin, but cannot find a way of
doing it.

Is there an option using this similar to mutts query_command somewhere?
Can anybody give some hints?

TIA

	Stephan

[1] http://lostpackets.de/pycarddav/
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From bs27975 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 06:08:02 2014
From: bs27975 at gmail.com (B. S.)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 00:08:02 -0400
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <bug-3288-595-iHmEOFTQol@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3288-595-iHmEOFTQol@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <54239522.6000208@gmail.com>

So ... I'm guessing I guessed correctly that only through reopening
tickets is it noticed that followup questions have been asked?


On 14-09-22 07:15 AM, noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote:
> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3288
>
>
>
--- Comment #4 from Bill S. <bs27975 at gmail.com> ---
> Thank you for the note.
>
>
>> Also, reopening things we close as developers won't make us
>> magically change our minds, on the contrary.
>
> I think you misunderstand, then.
>
> How else to get further understanding of actions taken other than to
> reopen?
>
> Let alone, if it had been changed to closed / won't fix I would get
> that - however resolved / invalid ... doesn't seem to intuitively
> fit. (The request is neither resolved, nor invalid, so I'm
> confused.)
>
>
>> (1) and (2) Your request for an indicator could be made in a
>> specific and different RFE
>
> Fair point, thank you.
>
>
>>> (3) Could you please point me towards a universally accepted
>>> definition for the term 'respectable mua'.
>
>> (3) No, I can't.
>
> Then how can you say / what is your reference for the comment:
>
>>> people expect respectable MUAs to thread their conversations.


From colin at colino.net  Thu Sep 25 08:18:36 2014
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:18:36 +0200
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <54239522.6000208@gmail.com>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3288-595-iHmEOFTQol@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <54239522.6000208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140925081836.4421e70f@mike>

On 25 September 2014 at 00h08, B. S. wrote:

Hi, 

> So ... I'm guessing I guessed correctly that only through reopening
> tickets is it noticed that followup questions have been asked?

No. It's rather that tickets aren't a place to ask questions and discuss
things; the mailing-list is that place. Tickets are for technical
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Sep 25 13:09:51 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:09:51 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3277] selecting a range of messages
In-Reply-To: <bug-3277-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3277-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3277-595-BbYAIzwuAv@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3277

Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> changed:

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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |DUPLICATE

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*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 1959 ***

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Sep 25 13:09:51 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:09:51 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 1959] Selection selects too many under expanded view
In-Reply-To: <bug-1959-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-1959-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-1959-595-CzcJuaqBYK@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1959

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                 CC|                            |mail at earthworm.de

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*** Bug 3277 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Sep 25 14:24:50 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:24:50 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3290] New: Cache problems with folders whose names are
 purely numeric
Message-ID: <bug-3290-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3290

            Bug ID: 3290
           Summary: Cache problems with folders whose names are purely
                    numeric
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.9.3
          Hardware: PC
               URL: https://bugs.debian.org/540785
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Folders/IMAP
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mones at users.sourceforge.net

An old one which has finally got some feedback recently.

Quoting original reporter:
-------
In my IMAP cache, I have lots of mails, whose filenames are just the
UID of the message on the server. On the server, I have split folders to
archive previous years' messages:

  + Bugzilla
     + 2007
     + 2008
     + 2009

This seems to fail with the on-disk IMAP cache, because it can't allow
both a message and a folder called "2009". This causes cache
inconsistency problems, where I can no longer access any mail in the
2009 folder.

Looking at IMAP logs, the server is happy with the transfer, then it
fails to write the file locally, gives up, and displays its usual "this
message is not available" error:

 This message can't be displayed.
 This is probably due to a network error.

 Use 'View Log' in the Tools menu for more information.

The IMAP log window claims:

 ...
 [11:56:07] IMAP4> 14221 SELECT "Bugzilla.2009.M01" 
 [11:56:07] IMAP4< * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen) 
 [11:56:07] IMAP4< * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft
 \Deleted \Seen \*)]   
 ...
 [11:56:18] IMAP4> 14232 UID FETCH 301 BODY.PEEK[] 
 [11:56:18] IMAP4< [FETCH data - 2617 bytes]
 ** IMAP error on imap.my.company: FETCH error


If I rename the folder to "Y2009" then it works correctly.
-------

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Sep 25 15:27:35 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 13:27:35 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3291] New: Subject encoding overwrites message charset
 declaration
Message-ID: <bug-3291-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3291

            Bug ID: 3291
           Summary: Subject encoding overwrites message charset
                    declaration
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: other
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Plugins/Fancy
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: jazz_fan_ts at arcor.de

Hi,

I have a messages that has an ISO-8859-1 encoded Subject
("=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sch=F6n") but a multipart utf8 encoded body ("Content-Type:
text/plain;
 charset=utf-8" and "Content-Type: text/html;
 charset=utf-8") The subject is displayed correctly but body only if the text
part is displayed. Obviously, for the html part the header encoding is also
assumed for the body. Not even changing view -> character encoding from
Automatic to utf8 helps. Saving the mail and inspecting it confirms that the
encoding of both parts is actually utf8.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Sep 25 15:30:28 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 13:30:28 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3291] Subject encoding overwrites message charset
	declaration
In-Reply-To: <bug-3291-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3291-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3291-595-vjVe9KPyvU@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3291

--- Comment #1 from Jazz Fan <jazz_fan_ts at arcor.de> ---
Maybe I should add that both parts have

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Sep 25 22:07:10 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 20:07:10 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3290] Cache problems with folders whose names are
 purely numeric
In-Reply-To: <bug-3290-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3290-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3290-595-VKpgfVhnyn@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3290

Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> changed:

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Hi,

I think that's bug #3212, which, incidentally, I fixed it GIT ;)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Sep 25 22:07:10 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 20:07:10 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3212] When msgnum matches a sub-folder name,
	fetch fails
In-Reply-To: <bug-3212-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3212-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3212-595-VVHWcrz81Q@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3212

Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> changed:

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                 CC|                            |mones at users.sourceforge.net

--- Comment #13 from Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> ---
*** Bug 3290 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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From bs27975 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 22:22:36 2014
From: bs27975 at gmail.com (B. S.)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:22:36 -0400
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3288] Set default message view NOT threaded.
In-Reply-To: <20140925081836.4421e70f@mike>
References: <bug-3288-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <bug-3288-595-iHmEOFTQol@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <54239522.6000208@gmail.com> <20140925081836.4421e70f@mike>
Message-ID: <5424798C.5060205@gmail.com>



On 14-09-25 02:18 AM, Colin Leroy wrote:
> On 25 September 2014 at 00h08, B. S. wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> So ... I'm guessing I guessed correctly that only through reopening
>> tickets is it noticed that followup questions have been asked?
>
> No. It's rather that tickets aren't a place to ask questions and discuss
> things; the mailing-list is that place. Tickets are for technical
> statements only.

Sorry, that doesn't seem to follow.

The questions surround statements within the ticket itself not something 
else elsewhere. It only makes sense that questions posed there on the 
basis of responses made there be answered there. Especially for those 
that come along later looking for (duplicate) answers to the same 
technical queries made.


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep 26 17:57:58 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:57:58 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3292] New: Feature Request: Access to selected message
 for python
Message-ID: <bug-3292-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3292

            Bug ID: 3292
           Summary: Feature Request: Access to selected message for python
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Plugins/Python
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mail at raphaelmichel.de

Hi,

I'd like to implement a few handy hotkeys for my workflow using the Python API.
Simple tasks like "move the currently selected message to folder XYZ". The
Python API provides all neccessary capabilities for this -- except accessing
the currently selected message(s).

As there already is a method to access the currently selected folder and
account, this would only be a logical follow-up.

Thanks,
Raphael

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep 26 18:45:52 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 16:45:52 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3292] Access to selected message for python
In-Reply-To: <bug-3292-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3292-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3292-595-FNACsdJHYI@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3292

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            Summary|Feature Request: Access to  |Access to selected message
                   |selected message for python |for python
           Severity|normal                      |enhancement

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Sep 26 20:29:18 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 18:29:18 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3292] Access to selected message for python
In-Reply-To: <bug-3292-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3292-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3292-595-c2SF5CObnb@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3292

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--- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
The clawsmail object already provides get_summaryview_selected_message_list()
method to access the selected messages.

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From itz at buug.org  Sun Sep 28 08:26:09 2014
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 23:26:09 -0700
Subject: [Users] Patch attachment opening automatically?!
Message-ID: <20140927232609.312945d0.itz@buug.org>

Hmm.  I just navigated in claws to a message with an attached patch.  It
opened automatically in my editor [1].  This doesn't feel too safe.
Where in the configuration is this enabled / disabled?  It _is_
configurable, right?

Funny thing is, I actually read a lot of messages with patches, and this
is the first time I saw it happening.  I must have touched some knob by
mistake.

[1] 
In my case, the editor is an entire operating system ;-)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Sep 28 10:03:52 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:03:52 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3293] New: Sometimes imapcache produces wrong email
	contents
Message-ID: <bug-3293-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3293

            Bug ID: 3293
           Summary: Sometimes imapcache produces wrong email contents
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Folders/IMAP
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: ppaalanen at gmail.com

Created attachment 1433
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1433&action=edit
Screenshot of confilcting message information

I have several accounts configured in claws-mail, one of them is IMAP for
gmail. At some point during the last few months I noticed the imapcache
starting to sometimes produce wrong content.

The screenshot describes the problem, let's take the "From" field as an
example:
- in the email list, the highlighted item is from Emil.
- in the integrated message view, the heading (on gray background) says from
Emil.
- in the integrated message view, the content says from Kenneth (incorrect!)
- in the separate message window, the heading says from Emil.
- in the separate message window, the content says from Kenneth (incorrect!)

The email body is from a wrong email, not the one I chose/opened in the list.

I opened the separate message window to assure you that simply clicking on the
email list does update the integrated message view. (I seem to recall another
similar bug report, where you suspected the GUI was simply configured to not
update the message view on simple click in the list.)

When I notice wrong email content, I quit claws-mail, do 'rm
.claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/ppaalanen\@gmail.com/lists/mesa-dev/*',
and restart claws-mail. This is needed to make the email content appear
correctly.

I am accessing the gmail via IMAP from two separate machines (independent
claws-mail installations), but the two claws-mail instances are never running
simultaneously. The problem can happen in both instances.

I also have automatic processing rules in both installations for the gmail
Inbox, which moves messages from Inbox to e.g. mesa-dev folder. The processing
rules are not identical between the two installations.

The version of claws-mail is 3.10.1 as from Gentoo official packages
mail-client/claws-mail-3.10.1.

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Sep 28 10:08:00 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 09:08:00 +0100
Subject: [Users] Patch attachment opening automatically?!
In-Reply-To: <20140927232609.312945d0.itz@buug.org>
References: <20140927232609.312945d0.itz@buug.org>
Message-ID: <20140928090800.36087a3a@thewildbeast>

On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 23:26:09 -0700
Ian Zimmerman <itz at buug.org> wrote: 

> Hmm.  I just navigated in claws to a message with an attached
> patch.  It opened automatically in my editor [1].  This doesn't
> feel too safe. Where in the configuration is this enabled /
> disabled?  It _is_ configurable, right?

That doesn't seem possible. Start Claws with `claws-mail --debug`,
make this happen again, and post the relevant debug output.

with regards

Paul


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Sep 28 10:09:47 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:09:47 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3293] Sometimes imapcache produces wrong email contents
In-Reply-To: <bug-3293-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3293-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3293-595-kz0k9QrBsr@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3293

--- Comment #1 from Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen at gmail.com> ---
Created attachment 1434
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1434&action=edit
output of claws-mail --debug, corresponds to screenshot

Here is a claws-mail --debug output, when producing the situation in the
screenshot.

However, the chosen email in the screenshot was already giving wrong content
before starting this debug session, so the debug log probably does not contain
how the bad cache content came to be in the first place.

I cannot reliably predict when or which email will hit the problem. It does not
happen for all emails arriving in the same batch or whatever, but appears to be
a more random per-message thing.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Sep 28 10:12:40 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:12:40 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3293] Sometimes imapcache produces wrong email contents
In-Reply-To: <bug-3293-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3293-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3293-595-A8A5DdqN7a@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3293

--- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
(In reply to comment #0)

> When I notice wrong email content, I quit claws-mail, do 'rm
> .claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/ppaalanen\@gmail.com/lists/mesa-dev/*',
> and restart claws-mail. This is needed to make the email content appear
> correctly.

You can also open the folder Properties and click the 'Discard folder cache'
button.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Sep 28 10:22:42 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:22:42 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3293] Sometimes imapcache produces wrong email contents
In-Reply-To: <bug-3293-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3293-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3293-595-w8LRWeYGHE@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3293

--- Comment #3 from Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen at gmail.com> ---
(In reply to comment #2)
> You can also open the folder Properties and click the 'Discard folder cache'
> button.

Ah, thanks, that's easier than 'rm'. I didn't realize to look for that in the
Properties dialog, I only looked at the context menu. That works.

Hmm, except it triggers a re-download of the whole folder (just headers?), and
having tens of thousands of emails there makes it take a long time.

Doing the 'rm' trick however does not cause the long download. It will only
re-download the messages I actually open. Rm does not remove the dot-files.

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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Sun Sep 28 16:47:39 2014
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:47:39 -0400
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3293] New: Sometimes imapcache produces wrong
 email contents
In-Reply-To: <bug-3293-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3293-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20140928104739.5138556b@mydesq2.domain.cxm>

On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:03:52 +0000
noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote:

> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3293
> 
>             Bug ID: 3293
>            Summary: Sometimes imapcache produces wrong email contents
>     Classification: Unclassified
>            Product: Claws Mail
>            Version: 3.10.1
>           Hardware: PC
>                 OS: Linux
>             Status: NEW
>           Severity: normal
>           Priority: P3
>          Component: Folders/IMAP
>           Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
>           Reporter: ppaalanen at gmail.com
> 
> Created attachment 1433
>   -->
> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1433&action=edit
> Screenshot of confilcting message information
> 
> I have several accounts configured in claws-mail, one of them is IMAP
> for gmail. At some point during the last few months I noticed the
> imapcache starting to sometimes produce wrong content.
> 
> The screenshot describes the problem, let's take the "From" field as
> an example:
> - in the email list, the highlighted item is from Emil.
> - in the integrated message view, the heading (on gray background)
> says from Emil.
> - in the integrated message view, the content says from Kenneth
> (incorrect!)
> - in the separate message window, the heading says from Emil.
> - in the separate message window, the content says from Kenneth
> (incorrect!)
> 
> The email body is from a wrong email, not the one I chose/opened in
> the list.
> 
> I opened the separate message window to assure you that simply
> clicking on the email list does update the integrated message view.
> (I seem to recall another similar bug report, where you suspected the
> GUI was simply configured to not update the message view on simple
> click in the list.)
> 
> When I notice wrong email content, I quit claws-mail, do 'rm
> .claws-mail/imapcache/imap.gmail.com/ppaalanen\@gmail.com/lists/mesa-dev/*',
> and restart claws-mail. This is needed to make the email content
> appear correctly.
> 
> I am accessing the gmail via IMAP from two separate machines
> (independent claws-mail installations), but the two claws-mail
> instances are never running simultaneously. The problem can happen in
> both instances.
> 
> I also have automatic processing rules in both installations for the
> gmail Inbox, which moves messages from Inbox to e.g. mesa-dev folder.
> The processing rules are not identical between the two installations.
> 
> The version of claws-mail is 3.10.1 as from Gentoo official packages
> mail-client/claws-mail-3.10.1.

I think this bug report might be describing the same situation I've had
since I started using Claws:

http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2012-June/002676.html

I don't know what the reporter meant by "the heading (on gray
background)". What I've found is that the stuff in the actual message
was right, but the stuff in the list is wrong, and pertains to some
ancient email I once got.

As pertains to my situation, by A/B'ing Claws against Thunderbird, I
found out that the defect isn't in my local Dovecot, meaning:

A: Dovecot didn't cause the problem
B: Claws misread my Dovecot, rather than miswriting it.

This stuff tends to happen more and more until I "rebuild folder tree"
on the account. Doing so sometimes, but not always, cures past
mismatches. I can't tell whether it cures them by making the contents
match the list, the list match the contents, or just deletes the email.
This problem is so rare and intermittent that it's hard to pay
attention.

So I ask the OP: You have a message/list mismatch. Are you sure which
is wrong? What do the dates in each say? If the message view is dated
today, and the list is dated 6 months ago, this tells me the message
view is probably the accurate data.

Thanks,

SteveT

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Sep 28 17:19:47 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:19:47 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3293] New: Sometimes imapcache produces wrong
 email contents
In-Reply-To: <20140928104739.5138556b@mydesq2.domain.cxm>
References: <bug-3293-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
 <20140928104739.5138556b@mydesq2.domain.cxm>
Message-ID: <20140928161947.40a0a0f2@thewildbeast>

On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:47:39 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote: 

> So I ask the OP: You have a message/list mismatch. Are you sure
> which is wrong? What do the dates in each say? If the message view
> is dated today, and the list is dated 6 months ago, this tells me
> the message view is probably the accurate data.

The OP may or may not be subscribed to this list. But as you
apparently have this problem often then you might be able to throw
some light on it, (by using Claws from GIT, or when the new release
comes out), by using --debug and sharing the info (from those
debug_prints that I added) when the problem shows itself:

exists %d, item->item.total_msgs %d
	unseen %d, item->item.unread_msgs %d
	uid_next %d, item->uid_next %d
	uid_val %d, item->item.mtime %d

(Where the %d's will be replaced by numbers.)

Thanks in advance,
with regards

Paul


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From itz at buug.org  Sun Sep 28 22:10:49 2014
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 13:10:49 -0700
Subject: [Users] Patch attachment opening automatically?!
In-Reply-To: <20140928090800.36087a3a@thewildbeast>
References: <20140927232609.312945d0.itz@buug.org>
 <20140928090800.36087a3a@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20140928131049.599847d0.itz@buug.org>

On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 09:08:00 +0100,
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

Ian> Hmm.  I just navigated in claws to a message with an attached
Ian> patch.  It opened automatically in my editor [1].  This doesn't
Ian> feel too safe. Where in the configuration is this enabled /
Ian> disabled?  It _is_ configurable, right?

Paul> That doesn't seem possible. Start Claws with `claws-mail --debug`,
Paul> make this happen again, and post the relevant debug output.

Appended.  I saved the entire log, so if you need more context, let me know.
(ee is a wrapper script for emacsclient, and my EDITOR and VISUAL
environment variables point to it.)

imap.c:1480:trying to fetch cached /home/itz/.claws-mail/imapcache/ahiker.mooo.com/itz/bup/570
imap.c:1489:message 570 has been already fully cached.
    message/rfc822 (offset:0 length:8887 encoding: 6)
        multipart/mixed (offset:5500 length:3387 encoding: 6)
            text/plain (offset:5652 length:766 encoding: 1)
            text/plain (offset:6513 length:278 encoding: 6)
            text/x-patch (offset:7028 length:1833 encoding: 1)
procmsg.c:2018:Setting flags for message 570 in folder bup
procmsg.c:2018:Setting flags for message 570 in folder bup
    message/rfc822 (offset:0 length:8887 encoding: 6)
        multipart/mixed (offset:5500 length:3387 encoding: 6)
            text/plain (offset:5652 length:766 encoding: 1)
            text/plain (offset:6513 length:278 encoding: 6)
            text/x-patch (offset:7028 length:1833 encoding: 1)
hooks.c:71:registed new hook for 'avatar_header_update' as id 2
libravatar.c:59:libravatar avatar_header_update invoked
libravatar.c:71:libravatar added 'w.rouesnel at gmail.com'
libravatar.c:261:libravatar avatar_image_render invoked
libravatar.c:227:found cached image for 48370187579d7e0762c18ab61876a6bf
textview.c:713:TIMING textview_add_part : 0s011ms
textview.c:679:TIMING textview_add_part : 0s000ms
textview.c:1170:Viewing text content of type: plain (length: 766)
textview.c:819:TIMING textview_add_part : 0s005ms
textview.c:836:TIMING recursive_add_parts : 0s005ms
textview.c:1170:Viewing text content of type: plain (length: 278)
textview.c:819:TIMING textview_add_part : 0s019ms
textview.c:836:TIMING recursive_add_parts : 0s019ms
codeconv.c:1485:current locale: en_US.UTF-8
textview.c:1101:Viewing text content of type: x-patch (length: 1833) using ee '/home/itz/.claws-mail/mimetmp/00000013.0001-Parallalize-running-test-script-components.patch'
textview.c:819:TIMING textview_add_part : 11s847ms
textview.c:836:TIMING recursive_add_parts : 11s847ms
textview.c:882:TIMING recursive_add_parts : 11s872ms
textview.c:882:TIMING recursive_add_parts : 11s883ms
textview.c:653:TIMING textview_show_part : 11s884ms


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From colin at colino.net  Sun Sep 28 22:47:00 2014
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 22:47:00 +0200
Subject: [Users] Patch attachment opening automatically?!
In-Reply-To: <20140928131049.599847d0.itz@buug.org>
References: <20140927232609.312945d0.itz@buug.org>
 <20140928090800.36087a3a@thewildbeast>
 <20140928131049.599847d0.itz@buug.org>
Message-ID: <20140928224700.59a8ffac@mike>

On 28 September 2014 at 13h10, Ian Zimmerman wrote:

Hi, 

> textview.c:1101:Viewing text content of type: x-patch (length: 1833)
> using ee
> '/home/itz/.claws-mail/mimetmp/00000013.0001-Parallalize-running-test-script-components.patch'

Must be from Preferences/External programs. I don't know what ee is,
but it's probably something which you specified and recently changed
behaviour.

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From itz at buug.org  Sun Sep 28 23:25:54 2014
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 14:25:54 -0700
Subject: [Users] Patch attachment opening automatically?!
In-Reply-To: <20140928224700.59a8ffac@mike>
References: <20140927232609.312945d0.itz@buug.org>
 <20140928090800.36087a3a@thewildbeast>
 <20140928131049.599847d0.itz@buug.org>
 <20140928224700.59a8ffac@mike>
Message-ID: <20140928142554.5ab9105c.itz@buug.org>

On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 22:47:00 +0200,
Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> wrote:

Ian> (ee is a wrapper script for emacsclient, and my EDITOR and VISUAL
Ian> environment variables point to it.)

Colin> Must be from Preferences/External programs. I don't know what ee is,

Gee, have your read the entire post?

No, I have not changed ee.  The point is, why is an External Program
(and yes, ee is specified as the viewer for text parts) started _at
all_, without a user action?

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From colin at colino.net  Sun Sep 28 23:44:35 2014
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 23:44:35 +0200
Subject: [Users] Patch attachment opening automatically?!
In-Reply-To: <20140928142554.5ab9105c.itz@buug.org>
References: <20140927232609.312945d0.itz@buug.org>
 <20140928090800.36087a3a@thewildbeast>
 <20140928131049.599847d0.itz@buug.org>
 <20140928224700.59a8ffac@mike>
 <20140928142554.5ab9105c.itz@buug.org>
Message-ID: <20140928234435.5b7ac4c7@mike>

On 28 September 2014 at 14h25, Ian Zimmerman wrote:

Hi, 

> Ian> (ee is a wrapper script for emacsclient, and my EDITOR and VISUAL
> Ian> environment variables point to it.)  
> 
> Colin> Must be from Preferences/External programs. I don't know what
> Colin> ee is,  
> 
> Gee, have your read the entire post?

I somehow missed that.

> No, I have not changed ee.  The point is, why is an External Program
> (and yes, ee is specified as the viewer for text parts) started _at
> all_, without a user action?

Because you've asked Claws Mail to do so by specifying to use it as
text viewer. This is not the default. Unspecify it if you don't want it
to run.

"Command for 'Display as text'" is rather self-explaining, isn't it?
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From itz at buug.org  Mon Sep 29 00:49:14 2014
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:49:14 -0700
Subject: [Users] Patch attachment opening automatically?!
In-Reply-To: <20140928234435.5b7ac4c7@mike>
References: <20140927232609.312945d0.itz@buug.org>
 <20140928090800.36087a3a@thewildbeast>
 <20140928131049.599847d0.itz@buug.org>
 <20140928224700.59a8ffac@mike>
 <20140928142554.5ab9105c.itz@buug.org>
 <20140928234435.5b7ac4c7@mike>
Message-ID: <20140928154914.3f38a22f.itz@buug.org>

On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 23:44:35 +0200,
Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> wrote:

Ian> No, I have not changed ee.  The point is, why is an External
Ian> Program (and yes, ee is specified as the viewer for text parts)
Ian> started _at all_, without a user action?

Colin> Because you've asked Claws Mail to do so by specifying to use it
Colin> as text viewer. This is not the default. Unspecify it if you
Colin> don't want it to run.

Colin> "Command for 'Display as text'" is rather self-explaining, isn't it?

I want it to run when I select the part, either by clicking on the part
icon on the right of the message window, or by picking View|Message
Part|Open As Text.  _Not_ when I simply select the message (which can
happen rather inandvertently if reading multiple messages via Space).
At that time, I expect to just see the text/plain part if one exists, or
just a bunch of icons for the attachments otherwise.

And I think this is precisely how other attachments work (image, for instance).

Am I asking for too much?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep 29 10:14:39 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 08:14:39 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3049] Claws fetches all messages instead of only new &
 doesn't rely on imapcache
In-Reply-To: <bug-3049-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3049-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3049-595-5vo7Th2bwX@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3049

--- Comment #4 from users at lists.claws-mail.org ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://git.claws-mail.org/

++ ChangeLog    2014-09-28 11:31:02.850392047 +0200
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8efd865dbf93bdf3e68ec545b78ebef7dd8b093
Merge: 07a9444 72d7c35
Author: Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net>
Date:   Sun Sep 28 11:31:02 2014 +0200

    Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws

http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=72d7c35f0abb53675f0d02d5094adaf00481f194
Author: Paul <paul at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Sun Sep 28 10:29:56 2014 +0100

    add more debug_prints in relation to bug 3049

--- Comment #5 from Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> ---
Hi,

Message bodies are apparently not re-downloaded according to the first debug
log.

Flags are being re-fetched, which is expected because they need to be checked
to make sure they in sync locally. 
You may have more performance unchecking "Bandwidth-efficient mode" in the
account's Receive preferences.

In the other log from comment #3, I believe the UIDVALIDITY of the folder
changed, which means we can't trust the local cache even if all counts are the
same. Paul's extra debug patch will probably make it clear.

"Folder X wants sync" is the debug line for "folder is marked for offline use
and must be synchronized". It does trigger a download of every uncached email
and in the case of an UIDVALIDITY change, it does indeed trigger a full
re-download.

Can you test with "Bandwidth-efficient mode" unchecked?

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From gordonbp at mail.com  Mon Sep 29 12:52:52 2014
From: gordonbp at mail.com (Gordon Burgess-Parker)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:52:52 +0000
Subject: [Users] Changing date format in vCalendar plugin
Message-ID: <20140929105252.01661ecc@lubuntu>

I would like to change the date format in the vCalendar plug in from US to UK.
I can't see how to do that....
Is there a way?


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep 29 14:38:44 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 12:38:44 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3294] New: Claws mail crash unespectly
Message-ID: <bug-3294-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3294

            Bug ID: 3294
           Summary: Claws mail crash unespectly
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.10.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: critical
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: vasgrant at gmail.com

Thread 4 (Thread 0x7fffe5565700 (LWP 21278)):
#0  pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () at
../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/pthread_cond_wait.S:185
#1  0x00007ffff3c632c3 in mailsem_internal_wait () from /usr/lib/libetpan.so.16
#2  0x00000000005d4410 in thread_run (data=0xa33ec0) at
etpan-thread-manager.c:331
#3  0x00007ffff4fee0a4 in start_thread (arg=0x7fffe5565700) at
pthread_create.c:309
#4  0x00007ffff2388c2d in clone () at
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:111

Thread 2 (Thread 0x7fffe741a700 (LWP 21265)):
#0  0x00007ffff23800ed in poll () at ../sysdeps/unix/syscall-template.S:81
#1  0x00007ffff4239ee4 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#2  0x00007ffff423a272 in g_main_loop_run () from
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x00007ffff62a1f06 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgio-2.0.so.0
#4  0x00007ffff4260925 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#5  0x00007ffff4fee0a4 in start_thread (arg=0x7fffe741a700) at
pthread_create.c:309
#6  0x00007ffff2388c2d in clone () at
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/clone.S:111

Thread 1 (Thread 0x7ffff7faea00 (LWP 21260)):
#0  imap_threaded_noop (folder=0xde5420,
p_exists=p_exists at entry=0x7fffffffde68, p_recent=p_recent at entry=0x7fffffffde6c,
p_expunge=p_expunge at entry=0x7fffffffde70, 
    p_unseen=p_unseen at entry=0x7fffffffde74,
p_uidnext=p_uidnext at entry=0x7fffffffde78,
p_uidval=p_uidval at entry=0x7fffffffde7c) at imap-thread.c:1031
#1  0x000000000049bb27 in imap_cmd_noop (session=session at entry=0x2a43600) at
imap.c:4052
#2  0x000000000049d07d in imap_ping (data=0x2a43600) at imap.c:560
#3  0x00007ffff423a613 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#4  0x00007ffff4239b6d in g_main_context_dispatch () from
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#5  0x00007ffff4239f48 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#6  0x00007ffff423a272 in g_main_loop_run () from
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#7  0x00007ffff7285bc7 in gtk_main () from
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#8  0x00000000004479f7 in main (argc=1, argv=0x7fffffffe308) at main.c:1559

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep 29 14:41:18 2014
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 13:41:18 +0100
Subject: [Users] Changing date format in vCalendar plugin
In-Reply-To: <20140929105252.01661ecc@lubuntu>
References: <20140929105252.01661ecc@lubuntu>
Message-ID: <20140929134118.2a09e70a@thewildbeast>

On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:52:52 +0000
Gordon Burgess-Parker <gordonbp at mail.com> wrote: 

> I would like to change the date format in the vCalendar plug in
> from US to UK. I can't see how to do that....
> Is there a way?

Use the environment variables, e.g. `export LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8`
http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/locale.7.html

with regards

Paul


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep 29 14:42:53 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 12:42:53 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3294] Claws mail crash unespectly
In-Reply-To: <bug-3294-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3294-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3294-595-qbbni7eeZo@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3294

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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           Severity|critical                    |normal

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
what are the steps to reproduce this crash?

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/page.cgi?id=bug-writing.html

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep 29 14:54:23 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 12:54:23 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3294] Claws mail crash unespectly
In-Reply-To: <bug-3294-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3294-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3294-595-q1ATPuRDvN@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3294

--- Comment #2 from vasgrant at gmail.com ---
Dear Paul,

simply start claws-mail, after 5 minutes max, client crash.
the only thing that can bring you back is the gdb thread results.
I use Debian Jessie
You have any idea ? 

kind regards

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep 29 15:10:29 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 13:10:29 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3294] Claws mail crash unespectly
In-Reply-To: <bug-3294-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3294-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3294-595-sYBvWjSVmo@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3294

--- Comment #3 from vasgrant at gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #1)
> what are the steps to reproduce this crash?
> 
> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/page.cgi?id=bug-writing.
> html

Dear Paul,

simply start claws-mail, after 5 minutes max, client crash.
the only thing that can bring you back is the gdb thread results.
I use Debian Jessie
You have any idea ? 

kind regards

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep 29 15:18:29 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 13:18:29 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3294] Claws mail crash unespectly
In-Reply-To: <bug-3294-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3294-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3294-595-Pvmv31Fy0i@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3294

--- Comment #4 from vasgrant at gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #2)
> Dear Paul,
> 
> simply start claws-mail, after 5 minutes max, client crash.
> the only thing that can bring you back is the gdb thread results.
> I use Debian Jessie
> You have any idea ? 
> 
> kind regards

(In reply to comment #3)
> (In reply to comment #1)
> > what are the steps to reproduce this crash?
> > 
> > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/page.cgi?id=bug-writing.
> > html
> 
> Dear Paul,
> 
> simply start claws-mail, after 5 minutes max, client crash.
> the only thing that can bring you back is the gdb thread results.
> I use Debian Jessie
> You have any idea ? 
> 
> kind regards

Sorry Paul, 

FYI,

on my claws-mail i've disable any plugin and the mailbox check, is setup to 5
minutes.

S.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Sep 29 15:28:01 2014
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 13:28:01 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3294] Claws mail crash unespectly
In-Reply-To: <bug-3294-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3294-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3294-595-3A99TPyguc@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3294

--- Comment #5 from Salvatore De Paolis <iwkse at claws-mail.org> ---
It might look like related to libetpan and IMAP. Anyway check here
http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Debugging_Claws
for better debug output.

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From itz at buug.org  Mon Sep 29 20:12:47 2014
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 11:12:47 -0700
Subject: [Users] Patch attachment opening automatically?!
In-Reply-To: <20140928131049.599847d0.itz@buug.org>
References: <20140927232609.312945d0.itz@buug.org>
 <20140928090800.36087a3a@thewildbeast>
 <20140928131049.599847d0.itz@buug.org>
Message-ID: <20140929111247.02bf8101.itz@buug.org>

On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 13:10:49 -0700,
Ian Zimmerman <itz at buug.org> wrote:

The message is here:

http://pastebin.com/N7nJXxvL

Maybe it has something to do with googlegroups inserting their own
text/plain part with the signature?

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From colin at colino.net  Mon Sep 29 22:21:15 2014
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 22:21:15 +0200
Subject: [Users] donation
In-Reply-To: <20140929214008.29cda88a.bits_n_bytes@gmx.de>
References: <20140929214008.29cda88a.bits_n_bytes@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <20140929222115.76257b9f@mike>

On 29 September 2014 at 21h40, Frank Dietrich wrote:

Hi Frank, 

> first of all, thanks to all developers of Claws Mail.
> 
> Few weeks ago a donate some money via the paypal link on the webpage.
> Beside the paypal confirmation I did not receive anything else. Is
> there a way to check if my donation reached the expected destination.
> Not that the money stuck for a while on some unrelated account.

Yes, we received it, thanks a lot for it :) I usually send thanks in
the name of the team in a rather timely manner, but I've been lagging
these past couple of monthes.

So, thank you for your donation, it's much appreciated!
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From tomashleyjr at gmail.com  Tue Sep 30 19:36:04 2014
From: tomashleyjr at gmail.com (Tom Ashley)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:36:04 -0400
Subject: [Users] Message list and Message display out of sync
Message-ID: <20140930133604.216afeaa@tomshome.tomshome>

Greetings,

I have a problem with claws-mail that began 2-3 weeks ago that I hope
someone on the list can help me solve.

System:  Debian testing, 64 bit, Claws-mail 13.10.1

Problem:  The messages on the message list do not correspond with the
displayed messages.  For example, in my Debian folder, I have a number
of messages from the Debian user mail listing.  When I select a message
from list, a totally different message appears in the display.  This
makes searching for and/or selecting messages totally unreliable.

Steps I've taken to try to resolve:
	
	Cleared imapcache.
	
	Rebuilt folder tree.

	Searched claws log for clues.

	Searched via google.

	Removed local config files and reconfigured.

	Deleted claws-mail and reinstalled.

	Reconfigured package via "dpkg-reconfigure claws-mail"
	command.	

	Checked the bug files for similar problems.

I've had no success so far.  I've even tried using other mail clients
instead (kmail, evolution, icedove), but I really want to continue
using claws.  

Any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Tom Ashley


From itz at buug.org  Tue Sep 30 21:26:25 2014
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 12:26:25 -0700
Subject: [Users] Message list and Message display out of sync
In-Reply-To: <20140930133604.216afeaa@tomshome.tomshome>
References: <20140930133604.216afeaa@tomshome.tomshome>
Message-ID: <20140930122625.7c6a4ca0.itz@buug.org>

On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:36:04 -0400,
Tom Ashley <tomashleyjr at gmail.com> wrote:

Tom> Problem: The messages on the message list do not correspond with
Tom> the displayed messages.  For example, in my Debian folder, I have a
Tom> number of messages from the Debian user mail listing.  When I
Tom> select a message from list, a totally different message appears in
Tom> the display.  This makes searching for and/or selecting messages
Tom> totally unreliable.

Using gmail as your imap server?

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