From tomashleyjr at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 00:12:05 2014 From: tomashleyjr at gmail.com (Tom Ashley) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 18:12:05 -0400 Subject: [Users] Message list and Message display out of sync In-Reply-To: <20140930131736.5446e28a.itz@buug.org> References: <20140930133604.216afeaa@tomshome.tomshome> <20140930122625.7c6a4ca0.itz@buug.org> <20140930131736.5446e28a.itz@buug.org> Message-ID: Ian, Sorry, I didn't intend to go off list. Thanks for your reply. I'll consider that. Tom On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:54:31 -0400, Tom Ashley wrote: > Yes, gmail is the imap server. Replying off-list as you seem to prefer that. I'd just give up on using gmail that way. Their implementation of IMAP seems to have too many quirks that confuse some clients including claws. My workaround would be to get the messages to your own IMAP server, either by setting up forwarding or by POP and fetchmail (or similar). -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. 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Erich From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 1 13:34:23 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 11:34:23 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3295] New: Please add support for the new Google Gmail API Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3295 Bug ID: 3295 Summary: Please add support for the new Google Gmail API Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: other Hardware: All OS: All Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P3 Component: Other Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: nw9165-3201 at yahoo.com Dear Claws Mail developers, after heaving read this: http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php?title=Using_Claws_with_Gmail and this: http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2014-October/010979.html it seems like using Gmail accounts with Claws Mail via IMAP4 wouldn't be that great? However, not too long ago, Google introduced the new Gmail API, see: http://googleappsdeveloper.blogspot.com/2014/06/introducing-new-gmail-api.html https://developers.google.com/gmail/api/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhdiQmS3kDs Maybe you could add support for this new Google Gmail API into Claws Mail to enhance the experience when using Claws Mail with Gmail accounts? Regards -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 1 13:44:09 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 11:44:09 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3295] Please add support for the new Google Gmail API In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3295 --- Comment #1 from Paul --- To quote https://developers.google.com/gmail/api/ "The Gmail API should not be used to replace IMAP for full-fledged email client access." Claws Mail and Gmail IMAP already works fine. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 1 13:45:07 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 11:45:07 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3295] Please add support for the new Google Gmail API In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3295 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 2 08:20:21 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 06:20:21 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2885] SIGSEGV in hooks_marshal at hooks.c:108 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2885 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #10 from Ricardo Mones --- Distribution bugs are closed, and seems this has not happened anymore, so closing. Please reopen if this can be reproduced with a recent version. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching someone on the CC list of the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 2 11:22:35 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:22:35 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2885] SIGSEGV in hooks_marshal at hooks.c:108 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2885 --- Comment #11 from Michael Schwendt --- > Distribution bugs are closed, That's because they have reached end-of-life meanwhile. It's not feasible to keep them open tracking upstream tickets. > and seems this has not happened anymore, Hard to say. The mentioned commit did only touch the printf. The riddle of what's wrong with the mail_postfiltering_hooklist may be unsolved. https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/claws-mail/bugs/all -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching someone on the CC list of the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 2 15:10:08 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:10:08 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3295] Please add support for the new Google Gmail API In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3295 --- Comment #2 from nw9165-3201 --- (In reply to comment #1) > To quote https://developers.google.com/gmail/api/ > "The Gmail API should not be used to replace IMAP for full-fledged email > client access." Have you watched (and listened) the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhdiQmS3kDs ? IMHO the video makes a very different impression... (In reply to comment #1) > Claws Mail and Gmail IMAP already works fine. He: http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2014-October/010979.html doesn't seem to agree... Regards -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 2 16:00:42 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 14:00:42 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3295] Please add support for the new Google Gmail API In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3295 --- Comment #3 from Brian Morrison --- Recent commits to git have added more debug output for IMAP cache issues, GMail IMAP is well known for not being RFC compliant. Maybe using git will help people to resolve these issues. I see that Paul's link to https://developers.google.com/gmail/api/ is still showing that the GMail API is not for use with full-fledged MUAs. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 2 16:02:31 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 14:02:31 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3295] Please add support for the new Google Gmail API In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3295 --- Comment #4 from Paul --- (In reply to comment #3) > I see that Paul's link to https://developers.google.com/gmail/api/ is still > showing that the GMail API is not for use with full-fledged MUAs. Not my link but the OP's link!! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From clifflaine at europe.com Fri Oct 3 09:57:00 2014 From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:57:00 +0200 Subject: [Users] Account list in wrong order Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Oct 3 10:12:46 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:12:46 +0100 Subject: [Users] Account list in wrong order In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20141003091246.2168e20d@thewildbeast> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:57:00 +0200 "Cliff Laine" wrote: > I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to reorder my accounts > correctly. If you mean mailboxes, the list of folders on the left, then use /File/Change mailbox order with regards Paul -- Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières From brad at fineby.me.uk Fri Oct 3 10:24:30 2014 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:24:30 +0100 Subject: [Users] Account list in wrong order In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20141003092430.1ff8c62e@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:57:00 +0200 "Cliff Laine" wrote: Hello Cliff, >Is there any way I can get them to line themselves up properly? File menu -> Change mailbox order... -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" We are the League, we are the anti band We're The League - Anti-Nowhere League -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From clifflaine at europe.com Fri Oct 3 10:32:55 2014 From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:32:55 +0100 Subject: [Users] Account list in wrong order In-Reply-To: <20141003091246.2168e20d@thewildbeast> References: <20141003091246.2168e20d@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20141003093255.0c80aec4@marjoriebubble-MXC061> Many thanks Paul and Brad -- that works. Cliff From clifflaine at europe.com Fri Oct 3 14:03:32 2014 From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 13:03:32 +0100 Subject: [Users] Marking RSS/Atom feeds read in bulk Message-ID: <20141003130332.51a107b1@marjoriebubble-MXC061> Hello I've just install the Rssyl plugin and it's dutifully gone and fetched thousands of articles. Is there an easy way of marking all items in all feeds as read? Thanks Cliff From brad at fineby.me.uk Fri Oct 3 14:22:37 2014 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 13:22:37 +0100 Subject: [Users] Marking RSS/Atom feeds read in bulk In-Reply-To: <20141003130332.51a107b1@marjoriebubble-MXC061> References: <20141003130332.51a107b1@marjoriebubble-MXC061> Message-ID: <20141003132237.4ffcc3ff@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 13:03:32 +0100 Cliff Laine wrote: Hello Cliff, >I've just install the Rssyl plugin and it's dutifully gone and fetched >thousands of articles. Is there an easy way of marking all items in all >feeds as read? Go to the feed folder, and select a message in it (any one will do). Now, from the Message menu use Mark -> Mark all read. You'll be asked to confirm you really want to do so. Click Yes. Job done. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I am alone there's nobody there I Look Alone - Buzzcocks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bartonlewis at optonline.net Sat Oct 4 03:24:27 2014 From: bartonlewis at optonline.net (BARTON LEWIS) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 21:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Users] import folders from Outlook? Message-ID: <18d6bca5.128727.148d8c207e1.Webtop.40@optonline.net> I bought a new computer in March and Microsoft for Home and Business 2013.  After 6 months Outlook is now receiving emails from my webmail account at a glacial pace and Microsoft it's probably "corrupt," and they want to charge me $99 to troubleshoot the problem.  If I moved to Clawsmail, could I import all of my folders and subfolders with their saved messages exactly as I have them in Outlook? many thanks, Barton in Brooklyn From slitt at troubleshooters.com Sat Oct 4 03:40:40 2014 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 21:40:40 -0400 Subject: [Users] import folders from Outlook? In-Reply-To: <18d6bca5.128727.148d8c207e1.Webtop.40@optonline.net> References: <18d6bca5.128727.148d8c207e1.Webtop.40@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20141003214040.784abb68@mydesq2.domain.cxm> On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 21:24:27 -0400 (EDT) BARTON LEWIS wrote: > I bought a new computer in March and Microsoft for Home and Business > 2013.  After 6 months Outlook is now receiving emails from my webmail > account at a glacial pace and Microsoft it's probably "corrupt," and > they want to charge me $99 to troubleshoot the problem.  If I moved > to Clawsmail, could I import all of my folders and subfolders with > their saved messages exactly as I have them in Outlook? > > > many thanks, > Barton in Brooklyn Short answer: I don't know. Longer answer: I assume Outlook does IMAP. You could probably copy your Outlook-kept messages to an IMAP account, and then from there copy them to either a Claws-Mail mailbox, or my favorite, to your own IMAP server set up and run by you. Here's some information about how I bailed from Kmail and went to the Claws-Mail/Dovecot setup I described in the latter part of the preceding paragraph: http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/201202/201202.htm HTH, SteveT Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance From bartonlewis at optonline.net Sat Oct 4 04:01:27 2014 From: bartonlewis at optonline.net (BARTON LEWIS) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 22:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Users] import folders from Outlook? In-Reply-To: <20141003214040.784abb68@mydesq2.domain.cxm> References: <18d6bca5.128727.148d8c207e1.Webtop.40@optonline.net> <20141003214040.784abb68@mydesq2.domain.cxm> Message-ID: <134757ab.128761.148d8e3e7dc.Webtop.40@optonline.net> okay, thanks. Barton On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 09:40 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 21:24:27 -0400 (EDT) > BARTON LEWIS wrote: > >> I bought a new computer in March and Microsoft for Home and Business >> 2013.  After 6 months Outlook is now receiving emails from my webmail >> account at a glacial pace and Microsoft it's probably "corrupt," and >> they want to charge me $99 to troubleshoot the problem.  If I moved >> to Clawsmail, could I import all of my folders and subfolders with >> their saved messages exactly as I have them in Outlook? >> >> >> many thanks, >> Barton in Brooklyn > > Short answer: I don't know. > > Longer answer: I assume Outlook does IMAP. You could probably copy > your > Outlook-kept messages to an IMAP account, and then from there copy > them > to either a Claws-Mail mailbox, or my favorite, to your own IMAP > server > set up and run by you. > > Here's some information about how I bailed from Kmail and went to the > Claws-Mail/Dovecot setup I described in the latter part of the > preceding paragraph: > > http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/201202/201202.htm > > HTH, > > SteveT > > Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ > Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Oct 4 12:38:26 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 10:38:26 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3293] Sometimes imapcache produces wrong email contents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3293 --- Comment #4 from Pekka Paalanen --- I seem to be suffering from this on a daily basis at home (one claws-mail installation) even when I do not use it at work (the second claws-mail installation) in the mean time. It happens at work too, but I feel it is more rare. I suspect it might be related to the automatic processing rules I have set on my Inbox, which move mailing list emails into respective folders. And gmail. At work I have another IMAP account set up too that is not gmail, also with automatic processing rules, but I have never seen it have this problem, although it also has much less traffic. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Oct 5 15:54:21 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 13:54:21 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3295] Please add support for the new Google Gmail API In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3295 --- Comment #5 from nw9165-3201 --- Hello, (In reply to comment #3) > I see that Paul's link to https://developers.google.com/gmail/api/ is still > showing that the GMail API is not for use with full-fledged MUAs. yeah, but watching the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhdiQmS3kDs somehow give a much different impression IMHO. IMHO the video gives the impression that the new Google Gmail API actually is something much better than IMAP and technically a lot more advanced than IMAP. Also, by implementing the new Google Gmail API into Claws Mail, Gmail users would probably get push/idle/notify support in Claws Mail, wouldn't they? Which would be something that Claws Mail unfortunately still hasn't achieved for IMAP, see: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1408 Regards -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From sylpheed at 911networks.com Mon Oct 6 18:49:18 2014 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 09:49:18 -0700 Subject: [Users] Changing From for folders Message-ID: <20141006094918.5afe3026@frogguski.911networks.com> Hi, I have CM 3.10.1 with about 75 folders. For most folders, I have set the From in the template for that folder. So when I send an email from that folder, it has the correct From. The problem is the user is getting old and doesn't always pay attention, and he forgets to be in that folder when creating the email. So the email comes out with the 'wrong' From. Is there a way of assigning the From based on the destination domain? I would need to do that only for a dozen domains. -- sknahT vyS From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 7 13:46:50 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 11:46:50 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3293] Sometimes imapcache produces wrong email contents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3293 Christian Weiske changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |cweiske at cweiske.de --- Comment #5 from Christian Weiske --- I face the same problem with 3.10.1 on Ubuntu 14.04. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From guertel at web.de Wed Oct 8 07:49:22 2014 From: guertel at web.de (Martin =?UTF-8?B?R8O8cnRlbA==?=) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 07:49:22 +0200 Subject: [Users] Return Receipts Message-ID: <20141008074922.2c4c044a@pluto> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hello, if somebody requests a return receipt, I can use the button to send a receipt. But is there a way to edit (e. g. translate) the standard text of this receipt? Greetings Martin - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlQyq3sACgkQBnRnC0ZCUmnwzgD/VzaY/8EViVLmXwTzr52I0fdF NV9fgjh7YMgL2sSBXAYA/jgo3rArwd/rNH+m8jI3os6DKbB8E0Gnr1hPEbK6jBMT =m6BA - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlQ00GIACgkQBnRnC0ZCUmlVgwEAh2c/B1hoQakW4nV2C1qmH+CU e7R63wft04XpqeaLUg8A/1T3dQOzxxxJAJ+SSlznJo6wM8OnzxhN2agBJXsjlNtn =RUEj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jdebert at garlic.com Wed Oct 8 18:48:40 2014 From: jdebert at garlic.com (jdebert) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:48:40 -0700 Subject: [Users] Changing From for folders In-Reply-To: <20141006094918.5afe3026@frogguski.911networks.com> References: <20141006094918.5afe3026@frogguski.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20141008094840.21009a45@garlic.com> On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 09:49:18 -0700 sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > Hi, > > I have CM 3.10.1 with about 75 folders. For most folders, I have set > the From in the template for that folder. > > So when I send an email from that folder, it has the correct From. The > problem is the user is getting old and doesn't always pay attention, > and he forgets to be in that folder when creating the email. So the > email comes out with the 'wrong' From. > > Is there a way of assigning the From based on the destination domain? > I would need to do that only for a dozen domains. > Don't recall seeing a way in claws-mail and hopefully there is a convenient way but it is possible to rewrite the sender address based on recipient address in postfix. It's not difficult but it's also not too easy. IIRC, an example is in the postfix docs. Trouble is, that just hides the problem. It may be more helpful, even if annoying, to remind the user to use the correct sender address by using postfix to instead reject mail if the wrong sender is used for any particular recipient address. (That's how I would force myself to remember to use the correct addresses.) Or perhaps a claws plugin? (hint-hint) jd From ricardo at mones.org Thu Oct 9 09:43:45 2014 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 09:43:45 +0200 Subject: [Users] Changing From for folders In-Reply-To: <20141008094840.21009a45@garlic.com> References: <20141006094918.5afe3026@frogguski.911networks.com> <20141008094840.21009a45@garlic.com> Message-ID: <20141009074345.GF18454@trasgu> On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 09:48:40AM -0700, jdebert wrote: > On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 09:49:18 -0700 > sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I have CM 3.10.1 with about 75 folders. For most folders, I have set > > the From in the template for that folder. > > > > So when I send an email from that folder, it has the correct From. The > > problem is the user is getting old and doesn't always pay attention, > > and he forgets to be in that folder when creating the email. So the > > email comes out with the 'wrong' From. > > > > Is there a way of assigning the From based on the destination domain? > > I would need to do that only for a dozen domains. > > > > Don't recall seeing a way in claws-mail and hopefully there is a > convenient way but it is possible to rewrite the sender address based > on recipient address in postfix. It's not difficult but it's also not > too easy. IIRC, an example is in the postfix docs. You can also use a "sendmail" script which does the swapping of addresses before reaching your MTA. > Trouble is, that just hides the problem. It may be more helpful, even if > annoying, to remind the user to use the correct sender address by using > postfix to instead reject mail if the wrong sender is used for any > particular recipient address. (That's how I would force myself to > remember to use the correct addresses.) > > Or perhaps a claws plugin? (hint-hint) Sure, a plugin can do this, but it's probably simpler and faster to use the already coded python plugin and some python script ;) -- Ricardo Mones ~ You have the capacity to learn from mistakes. You'll learn a lot today. /usr/games/fortune -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From gideon425.ekiga2 at mailnull.com Fri Oct 10 21:16:58 2014 From: gideon425.ekiga2 at mailnull.com (gideon425.ekiga2 at mailnull.com) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Users] problem restoring window In-Reply-To: <20140919123308.4c6f0dec@ws78.int.tlc> Message-ID: <20141010191659.0785A510A30@outside.256.com> Okay I now have some time available and I did the test suggested by Chad Wallace back in September. I caused the bug and then ran "claws-mail" from a terminal. The result was no error on the terminal but the main window did appear. I am not sure if this was intended to be a workround. One workround I have is to click on the email details in the banner. (Not sure that the details being shown is correct as "Include unread mails in banner" is not selected) When I do this click, then the main window appears. ---------- This message was sent from a MailNull anti-spam account. You can get your free account and take control over your email by visiting the following URL. http://mailnull.com/ From wd.dollimore at kpnmail.nl Sat Oct 11 12:28:26 2014 From: wd.dollimore at kpnmail.nl (William Dollimore) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:28:26 +0200 Subject: [Users] zSource code?? While Typing is red and black text simultaniously Message-ID: <20141011122826.000064cf@kpnmail.nl> I am getting (grouind) source codes from incoming messages occasionally and isn´t normal to my knowledge ; i only get links to the path of particular site and no direct pictures in mail ?? Is issue in setting I presume ??? Red and black while typing text.????? william dollimore rotterdam the netherlands. Opening OS windows 8.1 Webbrowser: Google Chrome --- Dit e-mailbericht bevat geen virussen en malware omdat avast! Antivirus-bescherming actief is. http://www.avast.com From guertel at web.de Mon Oct 13 08:36:02 2014 From: guertel at web.de (Martin =?UTF-8?B?R8O8cnRlbA==?=) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:36:02 +0200 Subject: [Users] zSource code?? While Typing is red and black text simultaniously In-Reply-To: <20141011122826.000064cf@kpnmail.nl> References: <20141011122826.000064cf@kpnmail.nl> Message-ID: <20141013083602.55786610@pluto> Hello William, Am 11.28.2014 12:28 schrieb William Dollimore: > I am getting (grouind) source codes from incoming messages > occasionally and isn´t normal to my knowledge ; i only get links to > the path of particular site and no direct pictures in mail ?? Claws-Mail will NOT render HTML-Mails by default, so it shows the source code. You can get the HTML-part of the mail readable, if you click the icon on the right border of the message view, with the tool tip "type: text/html". > Is issue in setting I presume ??? Is feature! > Red and black while typing text.????? Spell checker. Find the right (Dutch?) dictionary or disable it (you will find it in the menu) HTH Greetings Martin From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 13 10:49:41 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:49:41 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] New: Bogofilter unexpectedly deletes mails. Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3296 Bug ID: 3296 Summary: Bogofilter unexpectedly deletes mails. Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.10.1 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: critical Priority: P3 Component: Plugins/Bogofilter Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: progchild at gmx.de If you uncheck the "Save spam in" check box in the configuration dialog. The messages are not left untouched and just marked as spam, but deleted. This is a very unexpected behavior. From the dialog it is not at all evident that mails are deleted. I probably do not have to say that I lost a few important messages until I figured out what was happening. So I think the dialog should at least be changed, such that it is clear to the user that mails will be deleted. Otherwise this might happen to other people as well. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 13 10:58:05 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:58:05 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] Bogofilter unexpectedly deletes mails. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3296 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID Severity|critical |normal --- Comment #1 from Paul --- They go to the Trash folder if you leave this option blank, as the tooltip says. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 13 18:36:25 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:36:25 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] Bogofilter unexpectedly deletes mails. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3296 progchild at gmx.de changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|INVALID |--- --- Comment #2 from progchild at gmx.de --- I have checked all my computers. The messages are not in any of the trash folders. >From the bogofilter.c /* flag spams and delete them if !config.receive_spam * (if config.receive_spam is set, we'll move them later) */ for (cur = new_spams; cur; cur = cur->next) { MsgInfo *msginfo = (MsgInfo *)cur->data; if (config.receive_spam) { if (config.mark_as_read) procmsg_msginfo_unset_flags(msginfo, ~0, 0); procmsg_msginfo_set_flags(msginfo, MSG_SPAM, 0); } else { folder_item_remove_msg(msginfo->folder, msginfo->msgnum); } } The variable config.receive_spam is set corresponding to the value of the check box "Save spam in". I do not know what the function folder_item_remove_msg does exactly, but I would assume that it does not store the mails to the trash. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 13 18:38:22 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:38:22 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] Bogofilter unexpectedly deletes mails. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3296 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #3 from Paul --- In the plugin description, (when you loaded it), it says "When a message is identified as spam it can be deleted or saved in a specially designated folder." -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 13 19:35:54 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:35:54 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] Bogofilter unexpectedly deletes mails. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3296 progchild at gmx.de changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|INVALID |--- --- Comment #4 from progchild at gmx.de --- I am a little disapointed from this answer. It is true that one could interpret unchecking "Save Spam in" as "do not save the mail at all". And yes, the description gives more evidence to the actual behavior if you take into account that there is no "delete mail" check box. However, I did the mistake in thinking that unchecking means "do not touch this mail". And maybe some other people might do the same mistake as I did. Providing the option to delete mail is a very dangerous one. Thus I think that this option should be labeled /unambiguously/. I am writing here to make a proposition for making your software better such that my mistake is not repeated by other people. However with that, I do not have the feeling to be taken seriously. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 13 19:40:05 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:40:05 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] improve description and labels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3296 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|Bogofilter unexpectedly |improve description and |deletes mails. |labels Severity|normal |enhancement --- Comment #5 from Paul --- fair enough. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 13 19:59:51 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:59:51 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] improve description and labels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3296 --- Comment #6 from progchild at gmx.de --- Thank you. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From jdebert at garlic.com Mon Oct 13 21:40:00 2014 From: jdebert at garlic.com (jdebert) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:40:00 -0700 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] Bogofilter unexpectedly deletes mails. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20141013124000.4be54c14@garlic.com> It seems that claws-mail will delete/trash messages marked spam unconditionally. It's hard-coded in and is not optional. IIRC, it wasn't this way before 3.10, which made it convenient to sort, review and classify what was marked as spam. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:04:44 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 20:04:44 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 1941] recursive "mark read all" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 --- Comment #4 from moonkid at posteo.org --- Does this work for threads/discussion, too? I mean if there is a selected and folded 100-message-thread (with a + in front of this one line). When I say "mark as read" only the top message is marked but the rest is uneffected. But it should effect all the messages because this one-selected-line represents all messages in the thread because it is folded. I hope I used the right words with my bad english. Is this issue relevant in this thread or should I open a new one? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:14:30 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 20:14:30 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3297] New: mark thread read Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3297 Bug ID: 3297 Summary: mark thread read Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.9.3 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI/Message List Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: moonkid at posteo.org Created attachment 1435 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1435&action=edit picture to describe the issue I want to be able to mark a selected and folded thread read. Currently this action only affects the first message of a thread. I mean if there is a selected and folded 100-message-thread (with a + in front of this one line). When I say "mark as read" only the top message is marked but the rest is uneffected. But it should effect all the messages because this one-selected-line represents all messages in the thread because it is folded. I hope I used the right words with my bad english. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 13 22:37:52 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 20:37:52 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3297] mark thread read In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3297 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|normal |enhancement --- Comment #1 from Paul --- "this one-selected-line represents all messages in the thread because it is folded" is purely your own interpretation. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au Tue Oct 14 05:55:27 2014 From: peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au (blind Pete) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:55:27 +1100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3297] mark thread read In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20141014145527.7a571bb4@PPlive> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 20:37:52 +0000 noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3297 > > Paul changed: > > What |Removed |Added > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Severity|normal |enhancement > > --- Comment #1 from Paul --- > "this one-selected-line represents all messages in the thread because > it is folded" is purely your own interpretation. This is a User Interface design question. The UI should be simple, clear and unambiguous. If there is any need, or even possibility, of interpretation, then there is room for improvement. Now the hard part; can I think of anything that would be any better? Just brain storming... *) The first menu box pops up with message options => thread options => *) The current menu pops up with an extra entry at the bottom blah blah thread operations => *) Separate entries for ambiguous options blah blah mark message mark thread etc. *) Sub menu when relevant mark => message thread *) Keep the existing functionality, but change the menu entry from "mark" to "mark message". When there is only one message, don't offer any thread options. -- testing bP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 14 09:18:13 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 07:18:13 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3298] New: Official names and common denominators Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3298 Bug ID: 3298 Summary: Official names and common denominators Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: GIT Hardware: PC OS: All Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P3 Component: Plugins/GeoLocation Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: khazarian at fastmail.in I would like to see also full/official name of countries or federations which would double the strings of GeoLocation plugin. I also want to see whether a country is belong to "The Commonwealth of Nations" or "Commonwealth of Australia" (Territory of Australia) or "British Overseas Territories" or "Unincorporated territory" or "Overseas collectivity" or is a "New Zealand territory" or what its sovereign state is (e.g. the sovereign state of Aruba, Curaçao, Netherlands and Sint Maarten is Kingdom of the Netherlands). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From ricardo at mones.org Tue Oct 14 12:47:09 2014 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:47:09 +0200 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3297] mark thread read In-Reply-To: <20141014145527.7a571bb4@PPlive> References: <20141014145527.7a571bb4@PPlive> Message-ID: <20141014104709.GI18454@trasgu> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 02:55:27PM +1100, blind Pete wrote: > On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 20:37:52 +0000 > noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: > > > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3297 > > > > Paul changed: > > > > What |Removed |Added > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Severity|normal |enhancement > > > > --- Comment #1 from Paul --- > > "this one-selected-line represents all messages in the thread because > > it is folded" is purely your own interpretation. > > This is a User Interface design question. > > The UI should be simple, clear and unambiguous. If there is any need, > or even possibility, of interpretation, then there is room for > improvement. Current menu reads (modulo accelerators): 〜〜〜〜〜〜〜 ├┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┼────────────────────┐ │ Mark 〉│ Mark │ 〜〜〜〜〜〜〜 │ Unmark │ ├┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┤ │ Mark as unread │ │ Mark as read │ ├┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┤ │ Mark all read │ ├┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┤ │ Ignore thread │ │ Unignore thread │ │ Watch thread │ │ Unwatch thread │ ├┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┤ │ Mark as spam │ │ Mark as ham │ ├┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┤ │ Lock │ │ Unlock │ └────────────────────┘ While grouping could be somehow improved, what makes you think that options not surnamed with ‘thread’ do apply to threads? Repeating ‘message’ everywhere only clutters it more IMO. regards, -- Ricardo Mones ~ Never send a human to do a machine's job. Agent Smith -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From brad at fineby.me.uk Mon Oct 13 22:09:53 2014 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 21:09:53 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] Bogofilter unexpectedly deletes mails. In-Reply-To: <20141013124000.4be54c14@garlic.com> References: <20141013124000.4be54c14@garlic.com> Message-ID: <20141013210953.38312d54@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:40:00 -0700 jdebert wrote: Hello jdebert, >It seems that claws-mail will delete/trash messages marked spam >unconditionally. It's hard-coded in and is not optional. IIRC, it wasn't Nit-picking perhaps, but; Claws Mail does nothing to or with spam. That job is left for plugins to deal with. If you don't use bogofilter or spamassassin, then spam simply sits in your inbox until you, the user, deal with it. Anyhow, bogofilter moves spam to a (specified by me) local trash folder and suspected spam to another (specified by me) local folder here. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" You're not so safe in the safety of your room Nasty - The Damned -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ricardo at mones.org Tue Oct 14 15:49:34 2014 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:49:34 +0200 Subject: [Users] zSource code?? While Typing is red and black text simultaniously In-Reply-To: <20141013083602.55786610@pluto> References: <20141011122826.000064cf@kpnmail.nl> <20141013083602.55786610@pluto> Message-ID: <20141014134934.GJ18454@trasgu> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 08:36:02AM +0200, Martin Gürtel wrote: > Hello William, > > Am 11.28.2014 12:28 > schrieb William Dollimore: > > > I am getting (grouind) source codes from incoming messages > > occasionally and isn´t normal to my knowledge ; i only get links to > > the path of particular site and no direct pictures in mail ?? > > Claws-Mail will NOT render HTML-Mails by default, so it shows the > source code. That's not completely true: if the message content type is properly set the HTML-only messages are rendered as text, and most of the times good enough to make the fact unnoticeable. Unfortunately some mailers send those mails with wrong content types (mostly plain/text) and you see the raw HTML. regards, -- Ricardo Mones ~ The three principal virtues of a programmer are Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris. man perl -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jdebert at garlic.com Tue Oct 14 18:52:14 2014 From: jdebert at garlic.com (jdebert) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:52:14 -0700 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] Bogofilter unexpectedly deletes mails. In-Reply-To: <20141013210953.38312d54@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <20141013124000.4be54c14@garlic.com> <20141013210953.38312d54@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: <20141014095214.575b2f2e@garlic.com> On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 21:09:53 +0100 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:40:00 -0700 > jdebert wrote: > > Hello jdebert, > > >It seems that claws-mail will delete/trash messages marked spam > >unconditionally. It's hard-coded in and is not optional. IIRC, it > >wasn't > > Nit-picking perhaps, but; > > Claws Mail does nothing to or with spam. That job is left for > plugins to deal with. If you don't use bogofilter or spamassassin, > then spam simply sits in your inbox until you, the user, deal with it. > This is not true. If a message is marked as spam by any filter it will always be found in trash if it's not deleted. This is unconditional and overrides any subsequent action taken by the filter. The filter stops processing when the message is marked as spam regardless of whatever actions follow "mark as spam". I see this in the logs for every message marked as spam. Further, the message marked as spam is unconditionally marked as read even though the filter does not mark it as read. I've already tried to move messages before they are marked as spam and and as read, and they still end up in trash. jd From brad at fineby.me.uk Tue Oct 14 19:49:07 2014 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:49:07 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] Bogofilter unexpectedly deletes mails. In-Reply-To: <20141014095214.575b2f2e@garlic.com> References: <20141013124000.4be54c14@garlic.com> <20141013210953.38312d54@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20141014095214.575b2f2e@garlic.com> Message-ID: <20141014184907.5191e4cb@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:52:14 -0700 jdebert wrote: Hello jdebert, >This is not true. If a message is marked as spam by any filter it {sigh} Filtering is action put in place by *you*. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Two sides to every story Public Image - Public Image Ltd -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jdebert at garlic.com Tue Oct 14 20:46:50 2014 From: jdebert at garlic.com (jdebert) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:46:50 -0700 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] Bogofilter unexpectedly deletes mails. In-Reply-To: <20141014184907.5191e4cb@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <20141013124000.4be54c14@garlic.com> <20141013210953.38312d54@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20141014095214.575b2f2e@garlic.com> <20141014184907.5191e4cb@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: <20141014114650.539058cb@garlic.com> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:49:07 +0100 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:52:14 -0700 > jdebert wrote: > > Hello jdebert, > > >This is not true. If a message is marked as spam by any filter it > > {sigh} > Filtering is action put in place by *you*. > Now you are excusing this as a filter action? I already said that this behaviour was not seen in prior versions. I also said that it is not documented. Need I also say again that the filters also did not do this before? Once again: It is not a filter doing this. Once again: It is coded into claws-mail itself. Sigh indeed! From brad at fineby.me.uk Wed Oct 15 09:20:06 2014 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:20:06 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] Bogofilter unexpectedly deletes mails. In-Reply-To: <20141014114650.539058cb@garlic.com> References: <20141013124000.4be54c14@garlic.com> <20141013210953.38312d54@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20141014095214.575b2f2e@garlic.com> <20141014184907.5191e4cb@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20141014114650.539058cb@garlic.com> Message-ID: <20141015082006.23650ff0@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:46:50 -0700 jdebert wrote: Hello jdebert, >Once again: It is not a filter doing this. > >Once again: It is coded into claws-mail itself. Have you disabled *all* filtering and removed *all* plugins to see if this action still occurs? -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" The man in a tracksuit attacks me I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 15 10:55:12 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:55:12 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] Bogofilter unexpectedly deletes mails. In-Reply-To: <20141014114650.539058cb@garlic.com> References: <20141013124000.4be54c14@garlic.com> <20141013210953.38312d54@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20141014095214.575b2f2e@garlic.com> <20141014184907.5191e4cb@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20141014114650.539058cb@garlic.com> Message-ID: <20141015095512.0c5d720b@thewildbeast> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:46:50 -0700 jdebert wrote: > Once again: It is coded into claws-mail itself. Where is this? Can you provide the file(s) and line numbers? with regards Paul -- Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières From gilweber at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 15 15:46:46 2014 From: gilweber at bellsouth.net (Gil Weber) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:46:46 -0400 Subject: [Users] new mail notification suddenly changes -- crawl across bottom of screen Message-ID: <20141015094646.6a2aeb65@linux-nd92> Hello, everyone. I'm a bit behind and have not kept up as well as I should with recent changes to claws-mail. But this one mystifies me. Suddenly this morning every time I get new mail I get a message (or messages) crawling across the bottom of the screen that says "(number) new mail messages arrived." I have not knowingly changed anything in claws-mail settings. Presently in configuration I have the following preferences settings ticked: Banner Show banner - never Popup Enable popup is **NOT** ticked So I don't see where I have asked claws-mail to notify me with a crawl across the bottom of the screen. Is this something new to claws-mail that happened automatically without my doing anything? How can I get rid of the crawl? Thanks! Gil From ricardo at mones.org Wed Oct 15 16:41:21 2014 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:41:21 +0200 Subject: [Users] new mail notification suddenly changes -- crawl across bottom of screen In-Reply-To: <20141015094646.6a2aeb65@linux-nd92> References: <20141015094646.6a2aeb65@linux-nd92> Message-ID: <20141015144121.GK18454@trasgu> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:46:46AM -0400, Gil Weber wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > I'm a bit behind and have not kept up as well as I should with recent > changes to claws-mail. But this one mystifies me. > > Suddenly this morning every time I get new mail I get a message > (or messages) crawling across the bottom of the screen that says > "(number) new mail messages arrived." > > I have not knowingly changed anything in claws-mail settings. > > Presently in configuration I have the following preferences settings > ticked: > > > Banner > Show banner - never > > Popup > Enable popup is **NOT** ticked > > So I don't see where I have asked claws-mail to notify me with a > crawl across the bottom of the screen. > > Is this something new to claws-mail that happened automatically without > my doing anything? > > How can I get rid of the crawl? What about the SysTrayicon ? regards, -- Ricardo Mones ~ Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it. Richard Feynman -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From gilweber at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 15 16:50:40 2014 From: gilweber at bellsouth.net (Gil Weber) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:50:40 -0400 Subject: [Users] new mail notification suddenly changes -- crawl across bottom of screen In-Reply-To: <20141015144121.GK18454@trasgu> References: <20141015094646.6a2aeb65@linux-nd92> <20141015144121.GK18454@trasgu> Message-ID: <20141015105040.585d731d@linux-nd92> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:41:21 +0200 Ricardo Mones wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:46:46AM -0400, Gil Weber wrote: > > Hello, everyone. > > > > I'm a bit behind and have not kept up as well as I should with > > recent changes to claws-mail. But this one mystifies me. > > > > Suddenly this morning every time I get new mail I get a message > > (or messages) crawling across the bottom of the screen that says > > "(number) new mail messages arrived." > > > > I have not knowingly changed anything in claws-mail settings. > > > > Presently in configuration I have the following preferences settings > > ticked: > > > > > > Banner > > Show banner - never > > > > Popup > > Enable popup is **NOT** ticked > > > > So I don't see where I have asked claws-mail to notify me with a > > crawl across the bottom of the screen. > > > > Is this something new to claws-mail that happened automatically > > without my doing anything? > > > > How can I get rid of the crawl? > > What about the SysTrayicon ? > > regards, "Enable Trayicon" is and has always been enabled. Thx Gil From pf at pfortin.com Wed Oct 15 17:20:02 2014 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:20:02 -0400 Subject: [Users] new mail notification suddenly changes -- crawl across bottom of screen In-Reply-To: <20141015105040.585d731d@linux-nd92> References: <20141015094646.6a2aeb65@linux-nd92> <20141015144121.GK18454@trasgu> <20141015105040.585d731d@linux-nd92> Message-ID: <20141015112002.192df371@pfortin.com> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:50:40 -0400 Gil Weber wrote: >"Enable Trayicon" is and has always been enabled. Have you right-clicked on it? Anything checked? From pf at pfortin.com Wed Oct 15 17:41:59 2014 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:41:59 -0400 Subject: [Users] Fw: new mail notification suddenly changes -- crawl across bottom of screen Message-ID: <20141015114159.1b396945@pfortin.com> Please respond to the list. Forwarding back to it for completeness... >Begin forwarded message: > >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:28:09 -0400 >From: Gil Weber >To: Pierre Fortin >Subject: Re: [Users] new mail notification suddenly changes -- crawl >across bottom of screen > > >On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:20:02 -0400 >Pierre Fortin wrote: > >> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:50:40 -0400 Gil Weber wrote: >> >> >"Enable Trayicon" is and has always been enabled. >> >> Have you right-clicked on it? Anything checked? > > >Nothing checked, but all of a sudden the crawls have stopped! >I am at a loss to explain why. Try playing with the settings... :) >Gil From gilweber at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 15 17:48:22 2014 From: gilweber at bellsouth.net (Gil Weber) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:48:22 -0400 Subject: [Users] Fw: new mail notification suddenly changes -- crawl across bottom of screen In-Reply-To: <20141015114159.1b396945@pfortin.com> References: <20141015114159.1b396945@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20141015114822.15ca1136@linux-nd92> Oh, sorry. My mistake in directing the reply. Gil On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:41:59 -0400 Pierre Fortin wrote: > Please respond to the list. Forwarding back to it for completeness... > > >Begin forwarded message: > > > >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:28:09 -0400 > >From: Gil Weber > >To: Pierre Fortin > >Subject: Re: [Users] new mail notification suddenly changes -- crawl > >across bottom of screen > > > > > >On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:20:02 -0400 > >Pierre Fortin wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:50:40 -0400 Gil Weber wrote: > >> > >> >"Enable Trayicon" is and has always been enabled. > >> > >> Have you right-clicked on it? Anything checked? > > > > > >Nothing checked, but all of a sudden the crawls have stopped! > >I am at a loss to explain why. > > Try playing with the settings... :) > > >Gil > From jdebert at garlic.com Wed Oct 15 18:57:35 2014 From: jdebert at garlic.com (jdebert) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:57:35 -0700 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] Bogofilter unexpectedly deletes mails. In-Reply-To: <20141015095512.0c5d720b@thewildbeast> References: <20141013124000.4be54c14@garlic.com> <20141013210953.38312d54@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20141014095214.575b2f2e@garlic.com> <20141014184907.5191e4cb@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20141014114650.539058cb@garlic.com> <20141015095512.0c5d720b@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20141015095735.6574f66e@garlic.com> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:55:12 +0100 Paul wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:46:50 -0700 > jdebert wrote: > > > Once again: It is coded into claws-mail itself. > > Where is this? Can you provide the file(s) and line numbers? > I found it before, serendipitously, and now I'm kicking myself because I misplaced the notes and can't remember where the code was. All I recall of it is that there is a section of code where a message gets both the "is spam" and "is trash" flags set, which causes the message to go straight to trash. And, yes, I've tested repeatedly without plugins and with only one filter that only marks test messages as spam. There was nothing else to mark as trash or move these messages anywhere. I found this out because after updating to 3.10 all the messages that filters marked as spam were no longer appearing in the folders I defined for them and the filters stopped after marking messages as spam, never executing the move actions, which they did prior to 3.10. I'll fetch a 3.9 source and see if I can have better luck finding it in the diff. jd From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 15 19:19:06 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:19:06 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] Bogofilter unexpectedly deletes mails. In-Reply-To: <20141015095735.6574f66e@garlic.com> References: <20141013124000.4be54c14@garlic.com> <20141013210953.38312d54@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20141014095214.575b2f2e@garlic.com> <20141014184907.5191e4cb@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20141014114650.539058cb@garlic.com> <20141015095512.0c5d720b@thewildbeast> <20141015095735.6574f66e@garlic.com> Message-ID: <20141015181906.60bfc25a@thewildbeast> Hi jd, are you using imap? regards Paul -- Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières From jdebert at garlic.com Wed Oct 15 20:58:03 2014 From: jdebert at garlic.com (jdebert) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:58:03 -0700 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] Bogofilter unexpectedly deletes mails. In-Reply-To: <20141015181906.60bfc25a@thewildbeast> References: <20141013124000.4be54c14@garlic.com> <20141013210953.38312d54@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20141014095214.575b2f2e@garlic.com> <20141014184907.5191e4cb@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20141014114650.539058cb@garlic.com> <20141015095512.0c5d720b@thewildbeast> <20141015095735.6574f66e@garlic.com> <20141015181906.60bfc25a@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20141015115803.0f417a70@garlic.com> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:19:06 +0100 Paul wrote: > Hi jd, > > are you using imap? No. local mbox. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 16 11:32:57 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:32:57 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3299] New: [Security] Please fix POODLE vulnerability in Claws Mail Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3299 Bug ID: 3299 Summary: [Security] Please fix POODLE vulnerability in Claws Mail Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: other Hardware: All OS: All Status: NEW Severity: critical Priority: P3 Component: Other Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: nw9165-3201 at yahoo.com Dear Claws Mail developers, according to: http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/devel/2014-October/001307.html Claws Mail apparently seems to be vulnerable to POODLE. Could you please fix it as soon as possible? In the meantime: Is there anything a user can do to prevent POODLE attacks when using Claws Mail? If yes: What? I already tried to use "Use STARTTLS command to start SSL session" for connecting to an IMAP server on port 993. But it doesn't work. It only works when using "Use SSL for IMAP connection". So, what can I (and others) do? PS: Why is there no "Use TLS for IMAP connection" setting available in Claws Mail? Regards -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 16 11:38:11 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:38:11 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3299] [Security] Please fix POODLE vulnerability in Claws Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3299 --- Comment #1 from Paul --- > In the meantime: > > Is there anything a user can do to prevent POODLE attacks when using Claws > Mail? > > If yes: What? Use the gnutls_priority and gnutls_set_priority account prefs. There's no GUI for these - quit Claws, then edit ~/.claws-mail/accountrc directly. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 16 11:42:10 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:42:10 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3299] [Security] Please fix POODLE vulnerability in Claws Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3299 --- Comment #2 from Colin Leroy --- You can either use STARTTLS (use port 143 on IMAP, 110 on POP3, 25 or 587 on SMTP for that). Or you can set the preferences: gnutls_set_priority=1 gnutls_priority=NORMAL:-VERS-SSL3.0 in ~/.claws-mail/accountrc -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 16 11:42:40 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:42:40 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3299] [Security] Please fix POODLE vulnerability in Claws Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3299 --- Comment #3 from Paul --- (In reply to comment #0) > Dear Claws Mail developers, > > according to: > > http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/devel/2014-October/001307.html Since you are referring us to our own development mailing list, what do you hope to achieve by opening this here? Are you just trolling, or are you really saying, "hey Claws devs, look at what you wrote on your dev mailing list" -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au Thu Oct 16 13:18:33 2014 From: peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au (blind Pete) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 22:18:33 +1100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3297] mark thread read In-Reply-To: <20141014104709.GI18454@trasgu> References: <20141014145527.7a571bb4@PPlive> <20141014104709.GI18454@trasgu> Message-ID: <20141016221833.3ae262d9@PPlive> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:47:09 +0200 Ricardo Mones wrote: > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 02:55:27PM +1100, blind Pete wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 20:37:52 +0000 > > noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: > > > > > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3297 > > > > > > Paul changed: > > > > > > What |Removed |Added > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Severity|normal |enhancement > > > > > > --- Comment #1 from Paul --- > > > "this one-selected-line represents all messages in the thread > > > because it is folded" is purely your own interpretation. > > > > This is a User Interface design question. > > > > The UI should be simple, clear and unambiguous. If there is any > > need, or even possibility, of interpretation, then there is room for > > improvement. > > Current menu reads (modulo accelerators): > 〜〜〜〜〜〜〜 > ├┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┼────────────────────┐ > │ Mark 〉│ Mark │ > 〜〜〜〜〜〜〜 │ Unmark │ > ├┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┤ > │ Mark as unread │ > │ Mark as read │ > ├┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┤ > │ Mark all read │ > ├┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┤ > │ Ignore thread │ > │ Unignore thread │ > │ Watch thread │ > │ Unwatch thread │ > ├┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┤ > │ Mark as spam │ > │ Mark as ham │ > ├┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┤ > │ Lock │ > │ Unlock │ > └────────────────────┘ > > While grouping could be somehow improved, what makes you think that > options not surnamed with ‘thread’ do apply to threads? The OP obviously thought that an option not surnamed with 'thread' should apply to a thread - he submitted a bug report about it. Noreply wrote that it was a matter of interpretation. My point is that making UI choices unambiguous is generally a good thing. > Repeating ‘message’ everywhere only clutters it more IMO. Yes, clutter is bad. The suggestions were intellectual jumping off points only, hopefully someone will see something practical in one of them. -- testing bP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 16 21:00:12 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:00:12 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3297] mark thread read In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3297 --- Comment #2 from moonkid at posteo.org --- > "this one-selected-line represents all messages in the thread because > it is folded" is purely your own interpretation. Ok, I see your point of view. You are someway right. I described my own view/opinion and how I experience a GUI. But please keep in mind that your oposite(?) view has no evidence, too. Please see other graphical interfaces of some other applications that display/present their data in tree's. I didn't know any application that treat folded tree-nodes like claws. All applications (sylpheed, thunderbird, dolphin, pacman, windows explorer, CodeBlocks, ...) I know, treat them like I described. If a node is folded each action on it affects the node and each of its children. If you see the mass of other applications it is a quasi-standard behaviour. I can see know design-reason why claws should handle it a different way. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Oct 17 07:12:47 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 05:12:47 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3300] New: Cannot send/receive mail when SSL 3.0 is not supported on the server Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3300 Bug ID: 3300 Summary: Cannot send/receive mail when SSL 3.0 is not supported on the server Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.10.1 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Other Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: jared.henley at gmail.com I have an account with fastmail.fm. In the light of the recent SSL 3.0 insecurity discovered by Google, they've disabled SSL 3.0. Claws-mail is now unable to connect. Fortunately there's a workaround at the moment. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Oct 17 09:23:09 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:23:09 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3300] Cannot send/receive mail when SSL 3.0 is not supported on the server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3300 --- Comment #1 from Paul --- Until the new Claws release is out, (version 3.11.0), you can either use STARTTLS (use port 143 on IMAP, 110 on POP3, 25 or 587 on SMTP for that). Or you can set the preferences: gnutls_set_priority=1 gnutls_priority=NORMAL:-VERS-SSL3.0 in ~/.claws-mail/accountrc -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From clifflaine at europe.com Fri Oct 17 17:07:27 2014 From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:07:27 +0100 Subject: [Users] Completely deleting emails Message-ID: <20141017160727.22f9c38c@marjoriebubble-MXC061> When I delete an email from inside CM, should I do something like shred from the terminal, or use a software cleaner program like Bleachbit in order to delete any local copies that may still remain after I ask CM to "Empty Trash"? Or is the latter sufficient to get rid of it beyond retrieval (from police, jealous girlfriends, and other irritants) ? Thanks Cliff 3.10.1 From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Oct 17 17:49:12 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:49:12 +0100 Subject: [Users] Completely deleting emails In-Reply-To: <20141017160727.22f9c38c@marjoriebubble-MXC061> References: <20141017160727.22f9c38c@marjoriebubble-MXC061> Message-ID: <20141017164912.52748741@thewildbeast> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:07:27 +0100 Cliff Laine wrote: > When I delete an email from inside CM, should I do something like > shred from the terminal, or use a software cleaner program like > Bleachbit in order to delete any local copies that may still remain > after I ask CM to "Empty Trash"? Or is the latter sufficient to get > rid of it beyond retrieval (from police, jealous girlfriends, and > other irritants) ? There's an option on the Other/Miscellaneous, 'use secure file deletion if possible'. This will use shred if installed. with regards Paul -- Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières From slitt at troubleshooters.com Fri Oct 17 18:15:56 2014 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:15:56 -0400 Subject: [Users] Keeping claws-mail systemd free? Message-ID: <20141017121556.3233677e@mydesq2.domain.cxm> Hi all, I'm trying to keep systemd off my machines to the greatest extent I can. Is there any plan for Claws-Mail with regard to systemd? I see that on Debian Wheezy, Claws-Mail depends on libdbus-glib-1-2, which depends on libdbus-1-3, which depends on multiarch-support. Systemd has co-opted dbus, so I'm concerned. Is there a way to make Claws-Mail's reliance on dbus facilities optional, or to substitute something else for it, or use a separate and distinct executable to tell when mail comes in? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Oct 17 19:04:00 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:04:00 +0100 Subject: [Users] Keeping claws-mail systemd free? In-Reply-To: <20141017121556.3233677e@mydesq2.domain.cxm> References: <20141017121556.3233677e@mydesq2.domain.cxm> Message-ID: <20141017180400.5ebd38a0@thewildbeast> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:15:56 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > Systemd has co-opted dbus, so I'm concerned. Is there a way to make > Claws-Mail's reliance on dbus facilities optional, or to substitute > something else for it, or use a separate and distinct executable to > tell when mail comes in? Yes, it's option, use ./configure --disable-dbus network-manager support is reliant on that, though. with regards Paul -- Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières From slitt at troubleshooters.com Fri Oct 17 19:07:28 2014 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 13:07:28 -0400 Subject: [Users] Keeping claws-mail systemd free? In-Reply-To: <20141017180400.5ebd38a0@thewildbeast> References: <20141017121556.3233677e@mydesq2.domain.cxm> <20141017180400.5ebd38a0@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20141017130728.77bad0b0@mydesq2.domain.cxm> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:04:00 +0100 Paul wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:15:56 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > > > Systemd has co-opted dbus, so I'm concerned. Is there a way to make > > Claws-Mail's reliance on dbus facilities optional, or to substitute > > something else for it, or use a separate and distinct executable to > > tell when mail comes in? > > Yes, it's option, use > > ./configure --disable-dbus You the man, Paul!!! That's what I'm going to do, and I'm going to publicize how easy it is to ./configure;make/make install Claws, even running it parallel to the Debian-package version. > > network-manager support is reliant on that, though. Yeah, I'm making a replacement for network-manager, so that's no problem. Thanks! SteveT Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance From boxcars at gmx.net Fri Oct 17 19:15:34 2014 From: boxcars at gmx.net (=?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?=) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:15:34 -0500 Subject: [Users] Keeping claws-mail systemd free? References: <20141017121556.3233677e@mydesq2.domain.cxm> <20141017180400.5ebd38a0@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20141017121534.4b9ffd2e@sepulchrave.remarqs> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:04:00 +0100 Paul wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:15:56 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > > > Systemd has co-opted dbus, so I'm concerned. Is there a way to make > > Claws-Mail's reliance on dbus facilities optional, or to substitute > > something else for it, or use a separate and distinct executable to > > tell when mail comes in? > > Yes, it's option, use > > ./configure --disable-dbus > > network-manager support is reliant on that, though. I don't use networkmanager and I don't use any local MTA. Does C-M use dbus for anything else? From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Oct 17 19:28:07 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:28:07 +0100 Subject: [Users] Keeping claws-mail systemd free? In-Reply-To: <20141017121534.4b9ffd2e@sepulchrave.remarqs> References: <20141017121556.3233677e@mydesq2.domain.cxm> <20141017180400.5ebd38a0@thewildbeast> <20141017121534.4b9ffd2e@sepulchrave.remarqs> Message-ID: <20141017182807.6f802692@thewildbeast> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:15:34 -0500 »Q« wrote: > I don't use networkmanager and I don't use any local MTA. Does C-M > use dbus for anything else? Avant Window Navigator support, and the experimental new address book, which is not packaged, and disabled by default. with regards Paul -- Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières From itz at buug.org Fri Oct 17 19:30:50 2014 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:30:50 -0700 Subject: [Users] Keeping claws-mail systemd free? In-Reply-To: <20141017121556.3233677e@mydesq2.domain.cxm> References: <20141017121556.3233677e@mydesq2.domain.cxm> Message-ID: <20141017103050.62e1c92e.itz@buug.org> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:15:56 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Steve> I'm trying to keep systemd off my machines to the greatest extent Steve> I can. Is there any plan for Claws-Mail with regard to systemd? I Steve> see that on Debian Wheezy, Claws-Mail depends on Steve> libdbus-glib-1-2, which depends on libdbus-1-3, which depends on Steve> multiarch-support. Steve> Systemd has co-opted dbus, so I'm concerned. Is there a way to Steve> make Claws-Mail's reliance on dbus facilities optional, or to Steve> substitute something else for it, or use a separate and distinct Steve> executable to tell when mail comes in? I think this has already been discussed here. The libdbus dep should be harmless, it won't pull in systemd even after the transition (this is an educated guess). I already have installed packages that depend on libsystemd, and it is equally harmless. Basically, they'll communicate with systemd if it is there, and do nothing if not. -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Local Variables: mode:claws-external End: From slitt at troubleshooters.com Fri Oct 17 20:02:49 2014 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 14:02:49 -0400 Subject: [Users] Keeping claws-mail systemd free? In-Reply-To: <20141017103050.62e1c92e.itz@buug.org> References: <20141017121556.3233677e@mydesq2.domain.cxm> <20141017103050.62e1c92e.itz@buug.org> Message-ID: <20141017140249.2f3daf82@mydesq2.domain.cxm> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:30:50 -0700 Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:15:56 -0400, > Steve Litt wrote: > > Steve> I'm trying to keep systemd off my machines to the greatest > Steve> extent I can. Is there any plan for Claws-Mail with regard to > Steve> systemd? I see that on Debian Wheezy, Claws-Mail depends on > Steve> libdbus-glib-1-2, which depends on libdbus-1-3, which depends > Steve> on multiarch-support. > > Steve> Systemd has co-opted dbus, so I'm concerned. Is there a way to > Steve> make Claws-Mail's reliance on dbus facilities optional, or to > Steve> substitute something else for it, or use a separate and > Steve> distinct executable to tell when mail comes in? > > I think this has already been discussed here. > > The libdbus dep should be harmless, it won't pull in systemd even > after the transition (this is an educated guess). I already have > installed packages that depend on libsystemd, and it is equally > harmless. Basically, they'll communicate with systemd if it is there, > and do nothing if not. Cool! So I'll see if the Debian version *depends* on systemd, and if so compile and see if the compile gripes about absense of systemd, and if so ./configure --disable-systemd. So I'm covered no matter what. This is great news, and I've already spread the word to the Debian-User list. SteveT Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance From info at endeavor-networks.com Fri Oct 17 20:47:32 2014 From: info at endeavor-networks.com (ENI) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 14:47:32 -0400 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3300] Cannot send/receive mail when SSL 3.0 is not supported on the server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20141017144732.00000d97.info@endeavor-networks.com> > > --- Comment #1 from Paul --- > > Or you can set the preferences: > > gnutls_set_priority=1 > gnutls_priority=NORMAL:-VERS-SSL3.0 > > in ~/.claws-mail/accountrc > Unless you're using the current version (3.10.1) of CM (Win32), in which case the priority string is ignored, and does not provide a workaround. Regards, ENI From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Oct 17 23:05:34 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 22:05:34 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3300] Cannot send/receive mail when SSL 3.0 is not supported on the server In-Reply-To: <20141017144732.00000d97.info@endeavor-networks.com> References: <20141017144732.00000d97.info@endeavor-networks.com> Message-ID: <20141017220534.2fdca152@thewildbeast> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 14:47:32 -0400 ENI wrote: > Unless you're using the current version (3.10.1) of CM (Win32), in > which case the priority string is ignored, and does not provide a > workaround. But you can do the part you removed from the quote: > Until the new Claws release is out, (version 3.11.0), you can > either use STARTTLS (use port 143 on IMAP, 110 on POP3, 25 or 587 > on SMTP for that). with regards Paul -- Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Oct 18 01:11:21 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 23:11:21 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3299] [Security] Please fix POODLE vulnerability in Claws Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3299 --- Comment #4 from nw9165-3201 --- Hello, (In reply to comment #3) > Since you are referring us to our own development mailing list, what do you > hope to achieve by opening this here? Are you just trolling, or are you > really saying, "hey Claws devs, look at what you wrote on your dev mailing > list" well, it's simple. I tried to post something on the users mailing list (http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users). But my posts are always being rejected. I tried it several times, but they were always rejected (I still don't know why). So I came here. Simple as that. And it would have been nice if you would have informed the Claws Mail users about the vulnerability via the users mailing list (or the official website or whatever). So, I don't think it hurts to report this vulnerability on the official bug tracker? Funnily enough though, I already figured that you would probably be going to diss me, as you are pretty much always doing everytime I report something here... By now I somehow am getting the feeling that, for whatever reason, you are playing the "Good cop/bad cop routine" (Colin = good "cop", you = bad "cop")... Anyway: (In reply to comment #2) > You can either use STARTTLS (use port 143 on IMAP, 110 on POP3, 25 or 587 on > SMTP for that). That doesn't seem to work on the IMAP server I am trying. It doesn't allow to connect via port 143. It only seems to support port 993. It's the IMAP server from T-Online / Deutsche Telekom AG (secureimap.t-online.de). The SMTP server (securesmtp.t-online.de) supports connecting on port 25 and 587 though. Regards -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From zbrzezny at wp.pl Sat Oct 18 01:56:47 2014 From: zbrzezny at wp.pl (Tomasz Zbrzezny) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 01:56:47 +0200 Subject: [Users] New email in IMAP accoun Message-ID: <20141018015647.1090edc3@linux-g71l> hello I've just moved from POP3 to IMAP and I've problem with claws mail. I'm using ver. 3.7.10 of it. It does not mark new messages as new but only us unread. I thought that is a Gmail bug but in polish free service prokonto.pl the same happens. Are you sure that is not a bug of Claws Mail? And what with the 3.10 version? I will have to actualise my linux for it so I prefer to ask you if it helps for this bug. Sorry for my poor English Tomek From mir at miras.org Sat Oct 18 02:04:10 2014 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 02:04:10 +0200 Subject: [Users] New email in IMAP accoun In-Reply-To: <20141018015647.1090edc3@linux-g71l> References: <20141018015647.1090edc3@linux-g71l> Message-ID: <20141018020410.667f1960@sleipner.datanom.net> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 01:56:47 +0200 Tomasz Zbrzezny wrote: > I've just moved from POP3 to IMAP and I've problem with claws mail. > I'm using ver. 3.7.10 of it. It does not mark new messages as new but > only us unread. I thought that is a Gmail bug but in polish free > service prokonto.pl the same happens. > > Are you sure that is not a bug of Claws Mail? And what with the 3.10 > version? I will have to actualise my linux for it so I prefer to ask > you if it helps for this bug. > It is a known GMail bug. GMail only list an email as either read or unread. -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/games/fortune -es says: The difference between this place and yogurt is that yogurt has a live culture. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Oct 18 08:53:12 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 06:53:12 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3299] [Security] Please fix POODLE vulnerability in Claws Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3299 --- Comment #5 from Paul --- (In reply to comment #4) > well, it's simple. I tried to post something on the users mailing list > (http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users). But my posts > are always being rejected. I tried it several times, but they were always > rejected (I still don't know why). > > So I came here. Simple as that. You should contact Yahoo, your provider, for a potential solution to your problem in posting to the list. But the fact you can't post to the list, for whatever reason, does not make this bug tracker a forum or somewhere for you to chat. And you know this, as it's been pointed out to your before. > And it would have been nice if you would have informed the Claws Mail users > about the vulnerability via the users mailing list (or the official website > or whatever). So, I don't think it hurts to report this vulnerability on the > official bug tracker? You read the message thread on the development list, you could see that we have dealt with the problem, you could see that a new release is imminent, yet you still opened this ticket and gave it the summary, "Please fix POODLE vulnerability in Claws Mail". You're asking for something to be fixed that you know is already fixed. > Funnily enough though, I already figured that you would probably be going to > diss me, as you are pretty much always doing everytime I report something > here... I wondered if your reports aren't tailored to cause that, i.e. you're trolling. > (In reply to comment #2) > > You can either use STARTTLS (use port 143 on IMAP, 110 on POP3, 25 or 587 on > > SMTP for that). > > That doesn't seem to work on the IMAP server I am trying. It doesn't allow > to connect via port 143. It only seems to support port 993. Then set the prefs, as also stated. And, please, no more chit-chat on the bug tracker. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From clifflaine at europe.com Sat Oct 18 10:27:54 2014 From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:27:54 +0100 Subject: [Users] Completely deleting emails In-Reply-To: <20141017164912.52748741@thewildbeast> References: <20141017160727.22f9c38c@marjoriebubble-MXC061> <20141017164912.52748741@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20141018092754.5e13bf21@marjoriebubble-MXC061> On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:49:12 +0100 Paul wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:07:27 +0100 > Cliff Laine wrote: > > > When I delete an email from inside CM, should I do something like > > shred from the terminal, or use a software cleaner program like > > Bleachbit in order to delete any local copies that may still remain > > after I ask CM to "Empty Trash"? Or is the latter sufficient to get > > rid of it beyond retrieval (from police, jealous girlfriends, and > > other irritants) ? > > There's an option on the Other/Miscellaneous, 'use secure file > deletion if possible'. This will use shred if installed. > Thanks Paul -- that's useful to know Cliff From colin at colino.net Sat Oct 18 10:34:45 2014 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:34:45 +0200 Subject: [Users] Completely deleting emails In-Reply-To: <20141018092754.5e13bf21@marjoriebubble-MXC061> References: <20141017160727.22f9c38c@marjoriebubble-MXC061> <20141017164912.52748741@thewildbeast> <20141018092754.5e13bf21@marjoriebubble-MXC061> Message-ID: <20141018103445.0f0cebfa@mike> On 18 October 2014 at 09h27, Cliff Laine wrote: Hi, > > There's an option on the Other/Miscellaneous, 'use secure file > > deletion if possible'. This will use shred if installed. > > > > Thanks Paul -- that's useful to know It will even use shred on every file deletion, be it emails, temporary configuration files or temporary MIME parts, everything. 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Result: both of the new messages show correct line in summary view, but have the same exact content after clicking on them. Discarding folder cache or manually removing the files with wrong content from the imapcache fixes the issue (both new messages show correctly). Bug only happens with automatic filtering on receiving, manual filter without receiving behaves correctly. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From clifflaine at europe.com Sat Oct 18 14:42:29 2014 From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 13:42:29 +0100 Subject: [Users] Completely deleting emails In-Reply-To: <20141018103445.0f0cebfa@mike> References: <20141017160727.22f9c38c@marjoriebubble-MXC061> <20141017164912.52748741@thewildbeast> <20141018092754.5e13bf21@marjoriebubble-MXC061> <20141018103445.0f0cebfa@mike> Message-ID: <20141018134229.73e3d2e0@marjoriebubble-MXC061> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:34:45 +0200 Colin Leroy wrote: > It will even use shred on every file deletion, be it emails, temporary > configuration files or temporary MIME parts, everything. > The performance hit is less and less with SSDs than it was at the time > of the implementation :) > Excellent, thank you Colin -- even better! Cliff From clifflaine at europe.com Sat Oct 18 14:46:56 2014 From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 13:46:56 +0100 Subject: [Users] Keyboard shortcut for go to URL? Message-ID: <20141018134656.26823fc3@marjoriebubble-MXC061> Is there a keyboard shortcut for making a URL open from a message containing one? Cliff From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Oct 18 18:57:17 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:57:17 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3293] Sometimes imapcache produces wrong email contents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3293 --- Comment #7 from Christian Weiske --- I have the problem with manually moving mails into folders, without any filters. But I cannot reproduce the problem with certanity; it happens with about 1 of 50 mails. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From zbrzezny at wp.pl Sat Oct 18 21:44:17 2014 From: zbrzezny at wp.pl (Tomasz Zbrzezny) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 21:44:17 +0200 Subject: [Users] New email in IMAP accoun In-Reply-To: <20141018020410.667f1960@sleipner.datanom.net> References: <20141018015647.1090edc3@linux-g71l> <20141018020410.667f1960@sleipner.datanom.net> Message-ID: <20141018214417.0405da1d@linux-g71l> thanks for replay So are there IMAP services which work correctly with Claws Mail and mark new messagges as new? -- Tomasz Adam Zbrzezny -- W dniu Sat, 18 Oct 2014 02:04:10 +0200 Michael Rasmussen napisał(a): >On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 01:56:47 +0200 >Tomasz Zbrzezny wrote: > >> I've just moved from POP3 to IMAP and I've problem with claws mail. >> I'm using ver. 3.7.10 of it. It does not mark new messages as new but >> only us unread. I thought that is a Gmail bug but in polish free >> service prokonto.pl the same happens. >> >> Are you sure that is not a bug of Claws Mail? And what with the 3.10 >> version? I will have to actualise my linux for it so I prefer to ask >> you if it helps for this bug. >> >It is a known GMail bug. GMail only list an email as either read or >unread. > >-- >Hilsen/Regards >Michael Rasmussen > >Get my public GnuPG keys: >michael rasmussen cc >http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E >mir datanom net >http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C >mir miras org >http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 >-------------------------------------------------------------- >/usr/games/fortune -es says: >The difference between this place and yogurt is that yogurt has a live >culture. From mir at miras.org Sat Oct 18 23:27:09 2014 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 23:27:09 +0200 Subject: [Users] New email in IMAP accoun In-Reply-To: <20141018214417.0405da1d@linux-g71l> References: <20141018015647.1090edc3@linux-g71l> <20141018020410.667f1960@sleipner.datanom.net> <20141018214417.0405da1d@linux-g71l> Message-ID: <20141018232709.096318be@sleipner.datanom.net> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 21:44:17 +0200 Tomasz Zbrzezny wrote: > > thanks for replay > So are there IMAP services which work correctly with Claws Mail and mark > new messagges as new? > All but GMail works as you will expect. -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/games/fortune -es says: You possess a mind not merely twisted, but actually sprained. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Local Variables: mode:claws-external End: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Oct 18 23:54:24 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 21:54:24 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3301] New: New Message List Display Column "Account" Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3301 Bug ID: 3301 Summary: New Message List Display Column "Account" Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.10.1 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P3 Component: UI/Message List Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: thewildbeast.co.uk at alexandrews.me.uk I have a number of email accounts and so I would like to be able to view the accounts from which emails were downloaded in the message list. Also, "account" should be available as a matching criterion (in "Condition confguration") when setting up pre-processing/post-processing/filtering rules. I should like to note that both of these features are available in MS Outlook Express. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Oct 19 00:11:14 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:11:14 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3302] New: New filtering action "Popup Message" Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3302 Bug ID: 3302 Summary: New filtering action "Popup Message" Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.10.1 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P3 Component: Filtering Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: thewildbeast.co.uk at alexandrews.me.uk In MS Outlook (not Outlook Express) it is possible to create message rules with an action to pop up a message box, with the option to open the email that triggered the message. If you have several messages so triggered, they just get piled up in a listbox until dismissed by the user. This is a fantastically useful feature (a great way of not missing important emails) that is sorely missed in MS Outlook Express, so it would be great if Claws supported this feature. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From info at endeavor-networks.com Sun Oct 19 00:30:23 2014 From: info at endeavor-networks.com (ENI) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 18:30:23 -0400 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3300] Cannot send/receive mail when SSL 3.0 is not supported on the server Message-ID: <20141018183023.000046f1.info@endeavor-networks.com> Paul: We weren't suggesting that there was no workaround, only that the Gnutls priority string was not one of them for CM (Win32) users. On the two prior occasions that we brought attention to the issue, there was absolute silence; no acknowledgment of the issue, and no indication that it would be resolved in future releases, which remains true of our most recent exchange. The Gnutls priority string provides significant functionality, when it works. It would be very much appreciated if this functionality was available in future releases of CM (Win32). Regards, ENI From jdebert at garlic.com Sun Oct 19 02:18:10 2014 From: jdebert at garlic.com (jdebert) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 17:18:10 -0700 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3296] Bogofilter unexpectedly deletes mails. In-Reply-To: <20141015095735.6574f66e@garlic.com> References: <20141013124000.4be54c14@garlic.com> <20141013210953.38312d54@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20141014095214.575b2f2e@garlic.com> <20141014184907.5191e4cb@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20141014114650.539058cb@garlic.com> <20141015095512.0c5d720b@thewildbeast> <20141015095735.6574f66e@garlic.com> Message-ID: <20141018171810.36e994cf@garlic.com> Even looking at diffs, I haven't yet found it. Still looking but distracted by many small fires to deal with. Seems as if all the electrical things here have conspired to all fail or start to fail at the same time. jd From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Sun Oct 19 14:50:20 2014 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 13:50:20 +0100 Subject: [Users] New email in IMAP accoun In-Reply-To: <20141018214417.0405da1d@linux-g71l> References: <20141018015647.1090edc3@linux-g71l> <20141018020410.667f1960@sleipner.datanom.net> <20141018214417.0405da1d@linux-g71l> Message-ID: <20141019135020.504ff2f3@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 21:44:17 +0200 Tomasz Zbrzezny wrote: > > thanks for replay > So are there IMAP services which work correctly with Claws Mail and mark > new messagges as new? > Yes, essentially everything except GMail. -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Sun Oct 19 14:52:13 2014 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 13:52:13 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3300] Cannot send/receive mail when SSL 3.0 is not supported on the server In-Reply-To: <20141018183023.000046f1.info@endeavor-networks.com> References: <20141018183023.000046f1.info@endeavor-networks.com> Message-ID: <20141019135213.0041585f@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 18:30:23 -0400 ENI wrote: > The Gnutls priority string provides significant functionality, when it > works. It would be very much appreciated if this functionality was > available in future releases of CM (Win32). We'd all like this but the reality is that only one developer works on the Win32 version at considerable extra personal effort. I imagine that Colin will build a new version of 3.11 for Win32 so with luck (and good planning!) then it will be an improvement. -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Oct 19 15:38:14 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 13:38:14 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3299] [Security] Please fix POODLE vulnerability in Claws Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3299 --- Comment #6 from nw9165-3201 --- Hello, (In reply to comment #5) > Then set the prefs, as also stated. well, no, I am using the Win32 version, so that wouldn't work either (according to the users mailing list posts). Regards -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 20 08:16:02 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 06:16:02 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3301] New Message List Display Column "Account" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3301 --- Comment #1 from Abhay S. Kushwaha --- Explore the fetchinfo plug-in. Using that you can pretty much everything you want except perhaps show a column specifically for this purpose, which I would say is an overkill for this purpose. If I were you, I would use fetchinfo info to set a tag to the message with the account name and then display the tag column. It would essentially do the same thing. This open-ended approach is what makes this software awesome -- no prescribed solutions if possible. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 20 21:46:55 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:46:55 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.0 unleashed!! Message-ID: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> 20th October 2014 Claws Mail 3.11.0 CLAWS MAIL RELEASE NOTES http://www.claws-mail.org Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast email client. New in this release: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * SSLv3 server connections are now disabled by default, in response to the POODLE vulnerability, see https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-3566. * Several PGP/Core plugin improvements Indicate when a key has been revoked or has expired when displaying signature status. For example, "Good signature from %s, but the key has expired." "Good signature from %s, but the key has been revoked." When displaying the full information, show the Validity, and the Owner Trust level. Also indicate expired and revoked keys, and revoked UIDs. The "Content-Disposition: attachment" flag in PGP/MIME signed messages has been removed. It was confusing for cetain MUAs. * A new version of the RSSyl plugin, completely redesigned and rewritten. Migration from the previous version is automatic, it has a new storage format in ~/.claws-mail/RSSyl/ (hierarchical directories instead of flat file format). It uses the expat library instead of libxml2 for parsing feed data. * The results of TAB address completion in the Compose window have improved ordering. Order of results: 1. Match beginning of name 2. Match beginning of additional names 3. Match complete email address before @ 4. Match beginning of email address 5. Compare relative position of match 6. Compare name alphabetically 7. Compare address alphabetically. * Due to popular demand, use of the Up key in the message body in the Compose window stops at the top of the message body and does not continue up to the header fields. This reverts the behaviour introduced in version 3.10.0. * In the Compose window, when navigating with the arrow keys, selecting, and thus modifying, the Account selector is now prevented. * In the Compose window, a mnemonic (s) has been added to the Subject line. * The Queue folder is highlighted if there are messages in its sub- folders and the tree is collapsed. * When sorting messages by 'thread date', clicking the 'Date' column header will now toggle between ascending/descending and will not switch to 'date' sorting. * A new QuickSearch filter has been added that searches a header's content only. H S : messages which contain S in the value of any header. * A Reply-To field has been added to the main Template configuration. * The menubar can now be hidden, default hotkey: F12. * Fancy plugin: A user-controlled stylesheet can now be used. * Python plugin: Add flag attributes to MessageInfo object. * Python plugin: Make 'account' property of ComposeWindow read/write. * Libravatar plugin: a network timeout option has been added. * appdata has been added for package managers, it must be specifically enabled, using ./configure --enable-appdata See http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/appdata/ for further information. * The tbird2claws.py script, for converting a Thunderbird mailbox to a Claws Mail mailbox, now handles sub-directory recursion. * Updated translations: Brazilian Portuguese, Bulgarian, Dutch, Esperanto, Finnish, German, Hebrew, Lithuanian, Slovak, Spanish, and Swedish * Bug fixes: o bug 3173, 'quick search ignores trailing blank' o bug 3211, 'Fails to build in Debian hurd-i386 architecture' o bug 3212, 'When msgnum matches a sub-folder name, fetch fails' o bug 3221, 'IMAP: Claws Mail has issues with Yahoo IMAP server/folders' o bug 3235, 'Extraneous double quotes inside base64-encoded From header confuse 'Reply' action' o bug 3236, 'sc_html_parse_tag() does not recognize '
' as line break' o bug 3246, 'attachment open: "remember this" ignored if ~/.mailcap does not exist' o bug 3265, 'procmime.c: unbalanced flockfile() / funlockfile()' o bug 3300, 'Cannot send/receive mail when SSL 3.0 is not supported on the server' o Debian bug 755022, '[claws-mail-spam-report] likely useless to report to Debian because of the use of http instead of https' o Disable SSL3.0 entirely as a Poodle fix. o fix msg display when utf8_instead_of_locale_for_broken_mail is turned off and you use a UTF-8 locale o fix building without gnuTLS support o Don't differentiate the protocols used when using direct SSL/TLS versus STARTTLS o disallow editing any account (even current account) when at least one compose window is open o Actually display "(No From)" in messageview's From column when appropriate. o When changing focus in folderview, make sure the newly focused folder is visible first. o various fixes to flaws reported by Coverity scan o PGP/Core plugin: Don't automatically re-check signatures o PGP/Core plugin: fix erroneous 'untrusted' msg based on validity not trust o Make INBOX case-insensitive (as RFC states) o Python plugin: Fix ComposeWindow.get_account_selection For further details of the numbered bugs and RFEs listed above consult http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- See ChangeLog for full information regarding changes in this release. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hi, I just upgraded from 3.10.1 to 3.11 and now I'm having SSL problem. 3.10.1: port 995 worked (1/2 hr ago) Did the upgrade and now I get: * Account 'sritch.com': Connecting to POP3 server: 192.168.1.14:995... *** SSL handshake failed I had to disable SSL and use port 110 to get CM to work. Is there some extra configuration that is needed? -- sknahT vyS From andrej at kacian.sk Mon Oct 20 23:27:15 2014 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 23:27:15 +0200 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.0 unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141020141241.5b15b8e3@frogguski.911networks.com> References: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> <20141020141241.5b15b8e3@frogguski.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20141020232715.024d4ca4@penny> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:12:41 -0700 sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > * Account 'sritch.com': Connecting to POP3 server: 192.168.1.14:995... > *** SSL handshake failed > > I had to disable SSL and use port 110 to get CM to work. > > Is there some extra configuration that is needed? Hello, if "mail.sritch.com is the server you use, then it's because it doesn't seem to support TLS, only SSLv2 and SSLv3 - and both of these are disabled by default. You can enable it like this: 1. Quit Claws Mail. 2. Enter following two lines in your ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc, in the [Common] section: gnutls_set_priority=1 gnutls_priority=NORMAL That should get you going again. Please note that this is just a workaround, you should really talk to whoever is managing that mail server, and get them to update the software to support TLS. Regards, -- Andrej From claws-mail_user at thehugheslogcabin.net Tue Oct 21 00:17:01 2014 From: claws-mail_user at thehugheslogcabin.net (Michael Hughes) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:17:01 -0500 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.0 unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> References: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20141020171701.59b1e598@thehugheslogcabin.net> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:46:55 +0100 Paul wrote: > 20th October 2014 Claws Mail 3.11.0 > > CLAWS MAIL RELEASE NOTES > http://www.claws-mail.org > > Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast > email client. Compiled form git source and running on FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE-p12: Claws Mail version 3.11.0 runtime GTK+ 2.24.22 / GLib 2.36.3 buildtime GTK+ 2.24.22 / GLib 2.36.3 Compiled-in features: Enchant GnuTLS IPv6 iconv LDAP libetpan 1.1 libSM -- Michael Hughes Log Home living is the best -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not a big thing, but it would have been nice to have this new requirement mentioned in the release notes (which I read before any install). Cheers, Lyle -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From sylpheed at 911networks.com Tue Oct 21 01:02:03 2014 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:02:03 -0700 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.0 unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141020232715.024d4ca4@penny> References: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> <20141020141241.5b15b8e3@frogguski.911networks.com> <20141020232715.024d4ca4@penny> Message-ID: <20141020160203.6f382803@frogguski.911networks.com> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 23:27:15 +0200 Andrej Kacian wrote: >On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:12:41 -0700 >sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > >> * Account 'sritch.com': Connecting to POP3 server: >> 192.168.1.14:995... *** SSL handshake failed >> >> I had to disable SSL and use port 110 to get CM to work. >> >> Is there some extra configuration that is needed? > >Hello, > >if "mail.sritch.com is the server you use, then it's because it >doesn't seem to support TLS, only SSLv2 and SSLv3 - and both of >these are disabled by default. You can enable it like this: > >1. Quit Claws Mail. >2. Enter following two lines in your ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc, in the > [Common] section: > >gnutls_set_priority=1 >gnutls_priority=NORMAL > >That should get you going again. Please note that this is just a >workaround, you should really talk to whoever is managing that mail >server, and get them to update the software to support TLS. Sorry but it doesn't work for me. Most likely I'm doing something wrong. I did: * Closed Claws Mail. * Added: gnutls_set_priority=1 gnutls_priority=NORMAL to [Common] ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc Account settings: Receive: * use secure authentication (apop): OFF (also tried apop on didn't work either) SSL * use SSL for POP3 connection: ON * use SSL for SMTP connection: ON * use non-blocking SSL: ON And I get: * Account 'sritch.com': Connecting to POP3 server: 192.168.1.14:995... *** SSL handshake failed As for the server, I do not have any control of what's it's made of/configured but they use qmail/qpsmtpd. -- sknahT vyS From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 03:17:39 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 01:17:39 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3304] New: SSL handshake failed. gnutls, claws, or openssl? Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3304 Bug ID: 3304 Summary: SSL handshake failed. gnutls, claws, or openssl? Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.10.1 Hardware: All OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: critical Priority: P3 Component: POP3 Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: HawKing at bitmessage.ch In both Fedora20 and Ubuntu14.10, upon checking mail, I am now getting "SSL handshake failed" on several pop3/smtp accounts, all of which worked continuously for years previously in Claws, with no local settings changes having been made. claws-mail --debug produces the following error: ssl.c:229:waiting for SSL_connect thread... ssl.c:247:SSL_connect thread returned -12 ** (claws-mail:3005): WARNING **: SSL connection failed (A TLS fatal alert has been received.) ** (claws-mail:3005): WARNING **: can't initialize SSL. ** (claws-mail:3005): WARNING **: [20:44:18] SSL handshake failed Diagnostic evidence includes the following: 1) Accounts at different email servers broke at different times over the past week. I have around 15 email accounts. One pop3 account stopped working while SMTP still worked, and the other 14 still worked. Then another server (3 more acounts, pop and smtp) broke, and finally, days later, another server (2 more, pop and smtp) broke with the same error. Email was checked in between on all accounts, and all remaining worked in between. 2) Updates of gnutls, claws-mail, or my local openssl were not temporally correlated with breakage of any account, as all had occurred weeks before they broke, with daily email checking. 3) The same error replicates across operating systems, on Fedora20 and Ubuntu 14.10. 4) To further diagnose, I checked all of these accounts in Thunderbird, which still works fine for sending and receiving via pop/smtp and SSL/TLS. 5) In claws, STARTLS->SSL works for the accounts where SSL/TLS is broken in Claws. Two different email servers have both SSL/TLS options and a STARTLS option. The later STARTLS->SSL works fine still for servers where both should work, but SSL does not. The progressive breakdown (email servers stopped working at different times), leads me to conclude a remote update shared across the three servers broke SSL handshaking. I would guess openssl on the servers? I'm not sure how to track this bug in a more detailed way. Any advice about where to go from here? Also, as an aside, why is it that in the account summary, claws lists any STARTTLS->SSL account as (TLS) and any SSL/TLS as (SSL)? In my understanding, they don't differ in use of TLS versus SSL but use the same encryption, and STARTTLS just starts as plaintext first. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From itz at buug.org Tue Oct 21 07:48:33 2014 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 22:48:33 -0700 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.0 unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> References: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20141020224833.39be4a22.itz@buug.org> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:46:55 +0100, Paul wrote: > * SSLv3 server connections are now disabled by default, in response > to the POODLE vulnerability, see > https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-3566. Given the problems reported in the other subthread I'd like to be completely sure my connection won't break before I upgrade. Is there any way of seeing what SSL protocol and cipher claws negotiates with the IMAP server? I tried looking in the network log and the debug output, both without luck. -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Local Variables: mode:claws-external End: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 09:47:13 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:47:13 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3304] SSL handshake failed. gnutls, claws, or openssl? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3304 --- Comment #1 from Paul --- It looks to me that all those servers are still using SSLv3 and probably should not be. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 09:49:48 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:49:48 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3300] Cannot send/receive mail when SSL 3.0 is not supported on the server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3300 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #2 from Paul --- Fixed in version 3.11.0. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 09:49:55 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:49:55 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3299] [Security] Please fix POODLE vulnerability in Claws Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3299 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #7 from Paul --- Fixed in version 3.11.0. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 09:51:08 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:51:08 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3304] SSL handshake failed. gnutls, claws, or openssl? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3304 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #2 from Paul --- Oh, a correction to what I wrote. I see now that you're using version 3.10.1 still. You need to upgrade to 3.11.0, this has been fixed. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 09:58:33 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:58:33 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3291] Subject encoding overwrites message charset declaration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3291 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From list at eworm.de Tue Oct 21 10:10:25 2014 From: list at eworm.de (Christian Hesse) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:10:25 +0200 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.0 unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> References: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20141021101025.0dbf71b1@leda.localdomain> Paul on Mon, 2014/10/20 20:46: > 20th October 2014 Claws Mail 3.11.0 > > CLAWS MAIL RELEASE NOTES > http://www.claws-mail.org > > Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast > email client. Congratulations to the team for the latest release! CM identifies itself as version 3.11.0-dirty. It's too late to change that now, but I wonder what caused that. Paul, any uncommitted changes in your tree when preparing the release? -- main(a){char*c=/* Schoene Gruesse */"B?IJj;MEH" "CX:;",b;for(a/* Chris get my mail address: */=0;b=c[a++];) putchar(b-1/(/* gcc -o sig sig.c && ./sig */b/42*2-3)*42);} -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 473 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 10:12:30 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:12:30 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.0 unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141021101025.0dbf71b1@leda.localdomain> References: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> <20141021101025.0dbf71b1@leda.localdomain> Message-ID: <20141021091230.7ebf119c@thewildbeast> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:10:25 +0200 Christian Hesse wrote: > CM identifies itself as version 3.11.0-dirty. It's too late to > change that now, but I wonder what caused that. Paul, any > uncommitted changes in your tree when preparing the release? It was changed, about 15 minutes later when I realised my mistake. You were obviously very quick to grab those packages from sourceforge. with regards Paul -- Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 12:22:53 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:22:53 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3305] New: Plugin geolocation will not be built; missing libchamplain Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3305 Bug ID: 3305 Summary: Plugin geolocation will not be built; missing libchamplain Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.11.0 Hardware: All OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: blocker Priority: P3 Component: Plugins/GeoLocation Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: khazarian at fastmail.in Created attachment 1436 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1436&action=edit libchamplain_list_of_installed_files I have libchamplain-0.12.9 installed on Salix OS 14.1. Built using the following build script and source code: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.37/libraries/libchamplain/ https://download.gnome.org/sources/libchamplain/0.12/libchamplain-0.12.9.tar.xz Build log writes this: checking whether to build geolocation plugin... no configure: WARNING: "Plugin geolocation will not be built; missing libchamplain " -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 12:27:51 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:27:51 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3306] New: HTML tag is not always rendered in error dialog Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3306 Bug ID: 3306 Summary: HTML tag is not always rendered in error dialog Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.11.0 Hardware: All OS: All Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Plugins/RSSyl Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: khazarian at fastmail.in Error fetching feed at https://trac.gajim.org/timeline?changeset=on&ticket=on&milestone=on&wiki=on&max=50&authors=&daysback: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with given CA certificates -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 12:28:06 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:28:06 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3305] Plugin geolocation will not be built; missing libchamplain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3305 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #1 from Paul --- you need an older, gtk2-based libchamplain. I'm closing this as 'invalid', as it's as valid as saying that Claws won't build with GTK3, when it's a GTK2 app. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 12:31:42 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:31:42 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3305] Plugin geolocation will not be built; missing libchamplain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3305 --- Comment #2 from khazarian at fastmail.in --- What is the most recent gtk2-based version of libchamplain? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 12:41:29 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:41:29 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3305] Plugin geolocation will not be built; missing libchamplain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3305 --- Comment #3 from Michael Schwendt --- Likely several years old. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 12:57:16 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:57:16 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3305] Plugin geolocation will not be built; missing libchamplain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3305 --- Comment #4 from khazarian at fastmail.in --- Arrrg... I am using clutter-gtk-1.4.4 which apparently is based on gtk+3. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 12:58:22 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:58:22 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3306] HTML tag is not always rendered in error dialog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3306 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #1 from users at lists.claws-mail.org --- Changes related to this bug have been committed. Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly. You can also get the patch from: http://git.claws-mail.org/ ++ ChangeLog 2014-10-21 12:56:02.019556772 +0200 http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=0d265947715614f0cbe26e2dff81a072aa2ba9af Merge: a4fbbc8 7be200e Author: Colin Leroy Date: Tue Oct 21 12:56:01 2014 +0200 Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=7be200e62e4ea1debbbec0c17fd0c41cc1946648 Author: Paul Date: Tue Oct 21 11:55:42 2014 +0100 fix bug 3306, 'HTML tag is not always rendered in error dialog' -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 13:34:12 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 11:34:12 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3211] Fails to build in Debian hurd-i386 architecture In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3211 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Component|Plugins/Archiver |Other Version|3.10.1 |3.11.0 Resolution|FIXED |--- --- Comment #3 from Ricardo Mones --- The previous fix wasn't good enough and 3.11.0 fails again with: ,------- | ... | maillock.c: In function 'lock_common': | maillock.c:143:21: error: 'PATH_MAX' undeclared (first use in this function) | char lockfilename[PATH_MAX]; | ... `------- Full log: https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=claws-mail&arch=hurd-i386&ver=3.11.0-1&stamp=1413878869 I guess a careful review of PATH_MAX references is required and utils.h should be included in the appropriate places. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From sylpheed at 911networks.com Tue Oct 21 16:04:51 2014 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:04:51 -0700 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3304] SSL handshake failed. gnutls, claws, or openssl? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20141021070451.2c16f5fb@frogguski.911networks.com> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:47:13 +0000 noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: >http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3304 > >--- Comment #1 from Paul --- >It looks to me that all those servers are still using SSLv3 and >probably should not be. It's not like we (in this case me) controls the mail server. -- sknahT vyS From sylpheed at 911networks.com Tue Oct 21 16:06:31 2014 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:06:31 -0700 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.0 unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141021090302.5cfb1403@colin.i-run.lau> References: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> <20141020141241.5b15b8e3@frogguski.911networks.com> <20141020232715.024d4ca4@penny> <20141020160203.6f382803@frogguski.911networks.com> <20141021090302.5cfb1403@colin.i-run.lau> Message-ID: <20141021070631.1fa4d3a4@frogguski.911networks.com> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:03:02 +0200 Colin Leroy wrote: >On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:02:03 -0700, sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > >Hi, > >> gnutls_set_priority=1 >> gnutls_priority=NORMAL >> >> to [Common] ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc > >Actually this is a per-account setting and it goes in >~/.claws-mail/accountrc. Makes no difference, I still get: * Doing POP before SMTP... * Account '911networks.com': Connecting to POP3 server: 192.168.1.14:995... *** SSL handshake failed -- sknahT vyS From colin at colino.net Tue Oct 21 16:14:54 2014 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 16:14:54 +0200 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.0 unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141021070631.1fa4d3a4@frogguski.911networks.com> References: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> <20141020141241.5b15b8e3@frogguski.911networks.com> <20141020232715.024d4ca4@penny> <20141020160203.6f382803@frogguski.911networks.com> <20141021090302.5cfb1403@colin.i-run.lau> <20141021070631.1fa4d3a4@frogguski.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20141021161454.34eb796e@colin.i-run.lau> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:06:31 -0700, sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > >Actually this is a per-account setting and it goes in > >~/.claws-mail/accountrc. > > Makes no difference, I still get: > > * Doing POP before SMTP... > * Account '911networks.com': Connecting to POP3 server: > 192.168.1.14:995... *** SSL handshake failed > Indeed Andrej is right, theses preferences are only used for SMTP connections and I overlooked that... -- Colin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Pierre From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 17:44:09 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:44:09 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3307] New: Attachment icon displays only after message viewed Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3307 Bug ID: 3307 Summary: Attachment icon displays only after message viewed Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: GIT Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI/Message List Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: pf at pfortin.com Created attachment 1437 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1437&action=edit All these messages have attachments... This is a random bug that I've been seeing for some time. Was running 3.10.1-154-gecb594 where I noticed several messages without the icon, so I updated to 3.11.0-5-gae9762 and the bug persists. In the attached screenshot, all messages have attachments (photos from my security cameras); but about 1/2 don't show the icon unless I click to view the message, at which time the icon displays. In case it matters, I have "Mark message as read when selected, after [ 1] seconds" -- so the sequence is: - click on message; icon appears - 1 second later, new message icon hides [Pointing this out to be clear about timing.] -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From info at endeavor-networks.com Tue Oct 21 17:48:31 2014 From: info at endeavor-networks.com (ENI) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 11:48:31 -0400 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.0 unleashed!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20141021114831.00007971.info@endeavor-networks.com> > > Given the problems reported in the other subthread I'd like to be > completely sure my connection won't break before I upgrade. > > Is there any way of seeing what SSL protocol and cipher claws > negotiates with the IMAP server? I tried looking in the network log > and the debug output, both without luck. > Ian: Wireshark (www.wireshark.org) will show you exactly what is happening on the wire, and answer your questions about the security parameters negotiated with the server. There are so many situations (CM, Non-CM) where even a modest proficiency with Wireshark will enable you to diagnose issues quickly. Although the "gnutls-cli" utility (gnutls.org) won't confirm what security parameters CM is negotiating, it can be used to determine the capabilities of the server. E.g.: prompt >gnutls-cli -p 995 mail_server's_name ... produced the following redacted CLI output: - Description: (TLS1.2)-(RSA)-(AES-256-CBC)-(SHA256) - Session ID: - Version: TLS1.2 - Key Exchange: RSA - Cipher: AES-256-CBC - MAC: SHA256 - Compression: NULL ... and confirmed for us that our POP3S server supported TLS1.2. Regards, ENI From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 17:49:24 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:49:24 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3307] Attachment icon displays only after message viewed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3307 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|normal |enhancement --- Comment #1 from Paul --- Funny that you should mention that now, as it's been this way for many years, and I know that you have been using Claws for almost as many years, and it's a design decision rather than a bug. The reason is for speed improvements if messages aren't scanned. However, if the messages are filtered, they will be scanned and display any attachments icons 'immediately'. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From itz at buug.org Tue Oct 21 18:05:06 2014 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:05:06 -0700 Subject: [Users] Folder Properties - HTML In-Reply-To: <20141021111623.238c614f@pfortin.com> References: <20141021111623.238c614f@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20141021090506.67d492ce.itz@buug.org> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 11:16:23 -0400, Pierre Fortin wrote: Pierre> Trying to force emails in one folder to display plain text (not Pierre> HTML); but "Select the HTML part of multipart messages" doesn't Pierre> help using any setting {Default,Yes,No}... Are you sure those emails don't simply contain HTML tags in a text/plain part? Sadly I have noticed a recent increase in broken user agents that do just that (mobile apps are a particular cesspool of badness). -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Local Variables: mode:claws-external End: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Oct 21 19:44:16 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:44:16 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2244] No proxy settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2244 --- Comment #4 from khazarian at fastmail.in --- Claws Mail Developers, please kindly answer the following question. Regardless to licensing issues, if any, how difficult would it be to import Proxy support from Sylpheed? I am asking this because if there are licensing issues, I might form a tradeoff with the copyright owner, if they would agree, which in return to Proxy Code under Claws Mail compatible license Sylpheed would get Hebrew translation support as long as Claws Mail receives Hebrew translation updates by me. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From andrej at kacian.sk Tue Oct 21 19:50:49 2014 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:50:49 +0200 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.0 unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141021161454.34eb796e@colin.i-run.lau> References: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> <20141020141241.5b15b8e3@frogguski.911networks.com> <20141020232715.024d4ca4@penny> <20141020160203.6f382803@frogguski.911networks.com> <20141021090302.5cfb1403@colin.i-run.lau> <20141021070631.1fa4d3a4@frogguski.911networks.com> <20141021161454.34eb796e@colin.i-run.lau> Message-ID: <20141021195049.1acead7d@penny> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 16:14:54 +0200 Colin Leroy wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:06:31 -0700, sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > > > >Actually this is a per-account setting and it goes in > > >~/.claws-mail/accountrc. > > > > Makes no difference, I still get: > > > > * Doing POP before SMTP... > > * Account '911networks.com': Connecting to POP3 server: > > 192.168.1.14:995... *** SSL handshake failed > > > > Indeed Andrej is right, theses preferences are only used for SMTP > connections and I overlooked that... The fix for this has just been committed to git, so look for it in next release. :) -- Andrej -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From colin at colino.net Tue Oct 21 19:57:40 2014 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:57:40 +0200 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.0 unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141021195049.1acead7d@penny> References: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> <20141020141241.5b15b8e3@frogguski.911networks.com> <20141020232715.024d4ca4@penny> <20141020160203.6f382803@frogguski.911networks.com> <20141021090302.5cfb1403@colin.i-run.lau> <20141021070631.1fa4d3a4@frogguski.911networks.com> <20141021161454.34eb796e@colin.i-run.lau> <20141021195049.1acead7d@penny> Message-ID: <20141021195740.48457907@mike> On 21 October 2014 at 19h50, Andrej Kacian wrote: Hi, > > Indeed Andrej is right, theses preferences are only used for SMTP > > connections and I overlooked that... > > The fix for this has just been committed to git, so look for it in > next release. :) Thanks! I'm starting to wonder whether a GUI knob should be provided for that because it may cause issues with a number of old servers... We'll see that soon, I guess! -- Colin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Tue Oct 21 20:13:13 2014 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:13:13 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3304] SSL handshake failed. gnutls, claws, or openssl? In-Reply-To: <20141021070451.2c16f5fb@frogguski.911networks.com> References: <20141021070451.2c16f5fb@frogguski.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20141021191313.00006da2@surtees.fenrir.org.uk> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:04:51 -0700 sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:47:13 +0000 > noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: > > >http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3304 > > > >--- Comment #1 from Paul --- > >It looks to me that all those servers are still using SSLv3 and > >probably should not be. > > It's not like we (in this case me) controls the mail server. Indeed, but you need to ask the people that do why they are leaving their users open to known vulnerabilities. -- Brian Morrison From mir at miras.org Tue Oct 21 20:41:55 2014 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 20:41:55 +0200 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.0 unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141021195740.48457907@mike> References: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> <20141020141241.5b15b8e3@frogguski.911networks.com> <20141020232715.024d4ca4@penny> <20141020160203.6f382803@frogguski.911networks.com> <20141021090302.5cfb1403@colin.i-run.lau> <20141021070631.1fa4d3a4@frogguski.911networks.com> <20141021161454.34eb796e@colin.i-run.lau> <20141021195049.1acead7d@penny> <20141021195740.48457907@mike> Message-ID: <20141021204155.47b433d0@sleipner.datanom.net> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:57:40 +0200 Colin Leroy wrote: > > Thanks! I'm starting to wonder whether a GUI knob should be provided > for that because it may cause issues with a number of old servers... > We'll see that soon, I guess! > People still using Exchange 2003 will suffer from this since there is no support for tls what so ever. -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/games/fortune -es says: What use is magic if it can't save a unicorn? -- Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From pf at pfortin.com Wed Oct 22 00:56:33 2014 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 18:56:33 -0400 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3307] Attachment icon displays only after message viewed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20141021185633.57f3d533@pfortin.com> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:49:24 +0000 noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: >http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3307 > >Paul changed: > > What |Removed |Added >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Severity|normal |enhancement > >--- Comment #1 from Paul --- >Funny that you should mention that now, as it's been this way for many >years, and I know that you have been using Claws for almost as many >years, and it's a design decision rather than a bug. The reason is for >speed improvements if messages aren't scanned. However, if the messages >are filtered, they will be scanned and display any attachments icons >'immediately'. Hi Paul, It always seemed extremely rare and apparently very random. The new cameras presented me the first time I could really report something definitive... :) Since before Jan/02... :) Given that today's machines are much faster[1], is this design decision still warranted? Just wondering... [1] that's the reason I added a 1 second delay before marking messages read -- accidentally marked lots of new messages read as my fingers rested on the keyboard... kinda funny now; not at the time... :) Cheers, Pierre From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 22 01:01:28 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 23:01:28 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2726] IMAP inactivity disconnect misinterpreted as parse error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2726 --- Comment #6 from Ricardo Mones --- JFYI: a fix for this has been comitted on libetpan's git: https://github.com/dinhviethoa/libetpan/commit/cba71ca522dd907e2acf71ee9c3c430e5748fed3 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching someone on the CC list of the bug. From pf at pfortin.com Wed Oct 22 01:15:57 2014 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:15:57 -0400 Subject: [Users] Folder Properties - HTML In-Reply-To: <20141021090506.67d492ce.itz@buug.org> References: <20141021111623.238c614f@pfortin.com> <20141021090506.67d492ce.itz@buug.org> Message-ID: <20141021191557.436bfe6d@pfortin.com> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:05:06 -0700 Ian Zimmerman wrote: >On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 11:16:23 -0400, >Pierre Fortin wrote: > >Pierre> Trying to force emails in one folder to display plain text (not >Pierre> HTML); but "Select the HTML part of multipart messages" doesn't >Pierre> help using any setting {Default,Yes,No}... > >Are you sure those emails don't simply contain HTML tags in a text/plain >part? Sadly I have noticed a recent increase in broken user agents that >do just that (mobile apps are a particular cesspool of badness). > Argh! Good catch Ian. Actually, no actual "part" specified. Looks like I get to open another ticket with my mail provider... :) Thanks, Pierre From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 22 10:39:44 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 08:39:44 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3272] Sometimes claws wants to reindex huge folders for no reason In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3272 --- Comment #7 from Alexey Galakhov --- I confirm this bug, it affects me too. This existed at least before 3.9. I use GMail and have a lot of messages in my inbox. The indexing takes several minutes. Sometimes instead of opening the next unread message (sorry, I didn't notice if I clicked the folder or just the message) I get the whole inbox redownloaded and reindexed. This happens without any obvious reason and not always (about every 10th message or such) and is very annoying. I haven't found any specific thing that triggers this behavior, but it seems to be more likely when a lot of new messages appear together. Some time ago I stopped using claws-mail for a while due to this bug. Now I'm using claws-mail again. Not sure if this bug still exists as I haven't received too many emails at these days. How to reproduce: sorry, I haven't found any easy way yet, so I just describe what I'm doing on a regular basis. having a GMail inbox of ~30000 messages, let somebody send you several dozens of emails. Then click on every new message and answer most of them. It's very likely that you'll have to wait several times due to reindexing. Being a software developer but unfamiliar with claws-mail internals, I could suspect that it has something to do with GMail IMAP IDs. This error never occured on a corporate mailbox, only on GMail, so I suspect that this is a bug in GMail IMAP implementation that triggers a bug in claws-mail. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 22 17:50:19 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 15:50:19 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3272] Sometimes claws wants to reindex huge folders for no reason In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3272 --- Comment #8 from bitbrusher at gmail.com --- Hi I am affected by this issue as well. By a long time now. Its not so frequent here but it happens at least once a month. I am not using Gmail. I use my own qmail SMTP/IMAP server. I could not spot what specificaly triggers it, but I agree that it only happens when you click on another folder. It takes CM dozens of minutes (almost one hour) to rescan the folder with 4500 or so mails. CM firstly performs a "not so fast" scan and then a slow scan, I think downloading (or visiting) all messages bodies. "Network window" does not show any significant info. Just thousands of "IMAP4< [FETCH data - 8192 bytes]" lines. How can we help you guys to spot this? Perharps a debug switch can be implemented to collect intell? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 22 17:59:51 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 15:59:51 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3272] Sometimes claws wants to reindex huge folders for no reason In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3272 --- Comment #9 from Paul --- sounds something like bug #3049 can you attach the debug? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 22 18:01:01 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:01:01 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3272] Sometimes claws wants to reindex huge folders for no reason In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3272 --- Comment #10 from Paul --- (In reply to comment #9) > sounds something like bug #3049 > can you attach the debug? I should add: make sure that's with version 3.11.0 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From ricardo at mones.org Fri Oct 24 00:45:49 2014 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 00:45:49 +0200 Subject: [Users] Theme Contest 2014 unleashed! Message-ID: <20141024004549.4ea9e2f2@busgosu> Hi all, Just a brief note to inform you that we're opening a public contest targeted at getting a new default/internal theme for Claws Mail. If you ever wanted to contribute to your favourite MUA but coding is not within your preferences or abilities? This is your opportunity :-) Further details, some rules and how to participate, please read on: http://www.claws-mail.org/theme-contest-2014.php Happy theming! -- Ricardo Mones ~ The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. Unknown -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Oct 24 02:26:17 2014 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 02:26:17 +0200 Subject: [Users] ssl handshake failed Message-ID: <20141024022617.6bcd6ba5@mirrors.kernel.org> Hello, After a couple of lazy month i finally did a regular update (Debian testing) and now the ssl handshake fails for one mail sever (provider) but not for another one. It's ssl on both POP3 and SMTP (no starttls, non-blocking) and i configured the ports given by provider (465 and 995). It worked before, with these settings, anyhow. I still can log into the web mailer in question over ssl with firefox. I tried to leave the port setting unchecked (i.e. automaticly) but still doesn't work. Another thing changed. apt-get install xyz now tells me 'package can not be authenticated' and it hangs while trying to reach ftp.debian.de. My question is, do you happen to know if something with the ssl backend used by claws might have changed ? I don't know if it helps but i have openssl debian version 1.0.1j. Michael From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Oct 24 08:38:07 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 07:38:07 +0100 Subject: [Users] ssl handshake failed In-Reply-To: <20141024022617.6bcd6ba5@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20141024022617.6bcd6ba5@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20141024073807.16a26712@thewildbeast> Can we assume that you're using Claws Mail version 3.11.0? with regards Paul -- Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Oct 24 12:30:56 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:30:56 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3308] New: build ignores --localedir Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3308 Bug ID: 3308 Summary: build ignores --localedir Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.11.0 Hardware: Macintosh OS: other Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Other Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: niederstrasser at gmail.com In 3.10.1, the localization claws-mail.mo files were installed to $datarootdir/locale. This defaulted to $prefix/share/locale. With 3.11.0, they are now being installed to $prefix/lib/locale. The real bug is that ./configure now ignores --localedir if we want to set a normal localedir. ./configure --help still lists it as an option, but it's ignored when set. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Oct 24 13:16:11 2014 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:16:11 +0200 Subject: [Users] ssl handshake failed In-Reply-To: <20141024115608.745ecabf@thewildbeast> References: <20141024022617.6bcd6ba5@mirrors.kernel.org> <20141024073807.16a26712@thewildbeast> <20141024125340.536f3e7a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20141024115608.745ecabf@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20141024131611.40ba444a@mirrors.kernel.org> Paul, > Your first step is to upgrade to 3.11.0 Done. And wow. It solved the problem ! Many thanks ! mi > Hi Michael, > > Your first step is to upgrade to 3.11.0, and then, if the problem > remains, proceed. > > with regards > > Paul > > From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Oct 24 13:23:38 2014 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:23:38 +0200 Subject: [Users] ssl handshake failed In-Reply-To: <20141024131611.40ba444a@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20141024022617.6bcd6ba5@mirrors.kernel.org> <20141024073807.16a26712@thewildbeast> <20141024125340.536f3e7a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20141024115608.745ecabf@thewildbeast> <20141024131611.40ba444a@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20141024132338.27055e49@mirrors.kernel.org> Ah, and now it asked me for a certificate update when sending. I already wondered if that might be necessary but so far claws always cared for it. Does it mean i have to always send a mail first (SMTP) to get certs updated ? Anyway, with the previous claws version, i tried sending too and there was no update request. And i still would be curious, how could i get more information in such a case (like, certificate outdated) ? Some claws debug mode ? From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Oct 24 21:27:14 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:27:14 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3309] New: rssyl ignores .netrc (patch) Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3309 Bug ID: 3309 Summary: rssyl ignores .netrc (patch) Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: GIT Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P3 Component: Plugins/RSSyl Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: plr.vincent at gmail.com Created attachment 1438 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1438&action=edit Initial patch Some RSS rely on HTTP basic auth (and not cookies) to control access. Attached patch allows libcurl to read .netrc if present. Should this become a visible configuration option ? If so, should I also expose .netrc path (CURL_NETRC_FILE) ? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Oct 25 00:59:28 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 22:59:28 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3309] rssyl ignores .netrc (patch) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3309 Andrej Kacian changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian --- Hi, this is a good idea, thanks! Sometimes it might be better than including user:password@ in the URL. Patch committed. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From moonkid at posteo.org Sat Oct 25 15:17:29 2014 From: moonkid at posteo.org (moonkid at posteo.org) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:17:29 +0200 Subject: [Users] signatur-file Message-ID: <20141025131741.B941F25ACC47@mx02.posteo.de> Hi, currently my public-pgp key is added as signatur-text to my mails. But is there a way to automaticly add this as an attachment (signatur.???)? From brad at fineby.me.uk Sat Oct 25 16:02:41 2014 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:02:41 +0100 Subject: [Users] signatur-file In-Reply-To: <20141025131741.B941F25ACC47@mx02.posteo.de> References: <20141025131741.B941F25ACC47@mx02.posteo.de> Message-ID: <20141025150241.65599ed0@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:17:29 +0200 wrote: Hello moonkid at posteo.org, >But is there a way to automaticly add this as an attachment >(signatur.???)? The Account Prefs -> Privacy -> None/PGP Mime/PGP Inline are the only choices. But if by attachment, you mean a "normal" attachment as in, for example, attaching a picture or somesuch, then no. Although I suspect somebody far more knowledgeable that I could write a script to do the job. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Why do they try to hide our past pulling down houses and build car parks Bricks & Mortar - The Jam -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Add an action called "Ham" which uses an action filter to color a message in green, and an action called "Spam" which uses an action filter to color a message in red. Click "Valider". Select a message and check that the Tools/Action menu entries for "Ham" and "Spam" work as expected. 2. Open Configuration / Préferences... then Barre d'outils / Vue principale. Add one button for "Ham" and one for "Spam". Click "Valider". Check that the buttons' texts were translated from "Ham" to "Légitime" and from "Spam" to "Pourriel". Select a message and check that the buttons work as expected. 3. Go back to Configuration / Actions. Do NOT change anything, just click "Valider". Check that the buttons have DISAPPEARED. 4. Re-run steps 1-3 but with actions named "Légitime" and "Pourriel" instead of "Ham" and "Spam". Check that the buttons do NOT disappear at step 3. => Action-bound buttons refer to their actions through their translated names. Action-bound buttons should always refer to the actions' original names except for display purposes. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Oct 25 18:35:55 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 16:35:55 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3310] Toolbar action buttons wrongly refer to translated action names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3310 --- Comment #1 from Albert ARIBAUD --- Correction to step #2: ... Select a message and check that the buttons DO NOT work as expected. (buttons call their actions by their translated names, thus having no effect, not even an error message saying there is no action called "Légitime" or "Pourriel". -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au Sun Oct 26 04:30:53 2014 From: peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au (blind Pete) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 14:30:53 +1100 Subject: [Users] Theme Contest 2014 unleashed! In-Reply-To: <20141024004549.4ea9e2f2@busgosu> References: <20141024004549.4ea9e2f2@busgosu> Message-ID: <20141026143053.36954e60@PPlive> On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 00:45:49 +0200 Ricardo Mones wrote: > > Hi all, > > Just a brief note to inform you that we're opening a public contest > targeted at getting a new default/internal theme for Claws Mail. > > If you ever wanted to contribute to your favourite MUA but coding > is not within your preferences or abilities? This is your > opportunity :-) > > Further details, some rules and how to participate, please read on: > > http://www.claws-mail.org/theme-contest-2014.php > > Happy theming! Is this the appropriate place to ask themeing questions? Assuming it is; Does show the complete list of icons? Why are "notice_error" and "notice_warn" blank? Do all icons have a standard size, some are listed, some are not. I have designed an approximately double size set that suits me. Why do you prefer xpm to png? Is it so that icons can be included as "code"? Which xpm version do you like? There seem to be a few versions. Many many more questions to come. -- testing bP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au Sun Oct 26 04:38:11 2014 From: peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au (blind Pete) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 14:38:11 +1100 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.0 unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> References: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20141026143811.6de97ef6@PPlive> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:46:55 +0100 Paul wrote: > 20th October 2014 Claws Mail 3.11.0 [snip] Excellent. How do I get it? Is there a PPA for Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, or do I have to work out how to compile from source? -- testing bP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au Sun Oct 26 05:04:54 2014 From: peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au (blind Pete) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:04:54 +1100 Subject: [Users] word wrapping Message-ID: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> Hi everyone, I've just noticed an oddity about word wrapping. Back back in the day when dinosaurs roamed the earth and students leant typing in a room full of mechanical typewriters, it was drilled into us the correct way to type was with *one* space after a word or lesser punctuation mark, but *two* spaces after sentence ending full stop, question mark, or exclamation mark. After dabbling in typography, kerning and all of that I tend to agree, although in the modern era of one finger typists and 'leat speak, it does seem to be an unknown nicety. Anyway, CM's auto word wrapping strips out the "unnecessary" space. Is there any way to turn that off? Or should I ask for an enhancement? Something like a check box to double space between sentences, or after the characters; '.', '?', and '!' under /Configuraton -> Settings -> Compose -> Wrapping/? Spaniards would probably want the upsidedown versions of those. -- testing bP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From itz at buug.org Sun Oct 26 06:02:30 2014 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 22:02:30 -0700 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> Message-ID: <20141025220230.16ff85d2.itz@buug.org> On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:04:54 +1100, blind Pete wrote: Pete> Back back in the day when dinosaurs roamed the earth and students Pete> leant typing in a room full of mechanical typewriters, it was Pete> drilled into us the correct way to type was with *one* space after Pete> a word or lesser punctuation mark, but *two* spaces after sentence Pete> ending full stop, question mark, or exclamation mark. After Pete> dabbling in typography, kerning and all of that I tend to agree, Pete> although in the modern era of one finger typists and 'leat speak, Pete> it does seem to be an unknown nicety. Pete> Anyway, CM's auto word wrapping strips out the "unnecessary" Pete> space. Is there any way to turn that off? Or should I ask for an Pete> enhancement? Something like a check box to double space between Pete> sentences, or after the characters; '.', '?', and '!' under Pete> /Configuraton -> Settings -> Compose -> Wrapping/? Spaniards Pete> would probably want the upsidedown versions of those. +1 * 1000 Although I personally don't need this because I write all my emails in the external editor (Emacs) which of course gets this right, I think users who stay with the built-in editor deserve similar comfort. -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Local Variables: mode:claws-external End: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After dabbling in typography, > kerning and all of that I tend to agree, although in the modern era of > one finger typists and 'leat speak, it does seem to be an unknown > nicety. > > Anyway, CM's auto word wrapping strips out the "unnecessary" space. Is > there any way to turn that off? Or should I ask for an enhancement? > Something like a check box to double space between sentences, or after > the characters; '.', '?', and '!' under /Configuraton -> Settings -> > Compose -> Wrapping/? Spaniards would probably want the upsidedown > versions of those. (/me dons his French cap) This option, as described above, might sound like a good idea... until you realize that there are other languages wth other spacing rules out there. It might therefore be more complex to implement than simply following a given country's rule. Amicalement, -- Albert. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Oct 26 14:32:14 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:32:14 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3311] New: *** SSL-Verbindung schlug fehl Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3311 Bug ID: 3311 Summary: *** SSL-Verbindung schlug fehl Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail (Windows) Version: 3.10.1 Hardware: PC OS: Windows XP Status: NEW Severity: critical Priority: P3 Component: default Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: Carow-Ludwig at t-online.de Created attachment 1439 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1439&action=edit It's a copy from the claws mail network protocol Since any days: If I send a mail from my mail-account by "t-online.de", the send activity is ended with only this error message "*** SSL-Verbindung schlug fehl". The lines in protocol file: > * Konto: 'Carow-Ludwig': Verbinde mit SMTP-Server: securesmtp.t-online.de:465... > *** SSL-Verbindung schlug fehl This malfunction was already in version 3.9.3. I have installed the version 3.10.1 this day. Reading from new mails from "t-online.de" is not a problem. And reading/writing from other mail providers (e.g. "strato.de") have not problems. To send mails over "t-online.de" with other mail software (e.g. MS outlook or the old Eudora) with the same parameters is not a problem. Chris Ludwig Munich, Germany (Please excuse my bad english) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From myetto1 at nycap.rr.com Sun Oct 26 14:39:07 2014 From: myetto1 at nycap.rr.com (Michael A. Yetto) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:39:07 -0400 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> Message-ID: <20141026093907.34127e17@Braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:04:54 +1100 blind Pete wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I've just noticed an oddity about word wrapping. > >Back back in the day when dinosaurs roamed the earth and >students leant typing in a room full of mechanical typewriters, >it was drilled into us the correct way to type was with *one* >space after a word or lesser punctuation mark, but *two* spaces >after sentence ending full stop, question mark, or exclamation >mark. After dabbling in typography, kerning and all of that I >tend to agree, although in the modern era of one finger typists >and 'leat speak, it does seem to be an unknown nicety. > >Anyway, CM's auto word wrapping strips out the "unnecessary" >space. Is there any way to turn that off? Or should I ask for >an enhancement? Something like a check box to double space >between sentences, or after the characters; '.', '?', and '!' >under /Configuraton -> Settings -> Compose -> Wrapping/? >Spaniards would probably want the upsidedown versions of >those. > As I heard the explanation, the reason for two spaces after the end of a sentence is due to the difficulty to see the tiny or faint dot left by most typewriters. The second space makes the end of the sentence more prominent which is unnecessary with a properly designed typeface. Personally, I don't feel the loss of the second space. -- Mike Yetto -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Oct 26 15:13:52 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 14:13:52 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3311] *** SSL-Verbindung schlug fehl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3311 --- Comment #2 from moonkid at posteo.org --- Created attachment 1440 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1440&action=edit settings-dialog for SSL -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From richardkimber at btinternet.com Sun Oct 26 17:01:35 2014 From: richardkimber at btinternet.com (R Kimber) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 16:01:35 +0000 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141026093907.34127e17@Braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141026093907.34127e17@Braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> Message-ID: <5446115100BC415B@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:39:07 -0400 Michael A. Yetto wrote: > As I heard the explanation, the reason for two spaces after the > end of a sentence is due to the difficulty to see the tiny > or faint dot left by most typewriters. The second space makes > the end of the sentence more prominent which is unnecessary with > a properly designed typeface. > > Personally, I don't feel the loss of the second space. I'm not entirely convinced by these historical 'reasons'; but, aesthetically, I prefer to have two spaces, and that's what I always put when I'm word-processing. It just looks better. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Oct 26 17:03:04 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 16:03:04 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3310] Toolbar action buttons wrongly refer to translated action names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3310 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME --- Comment #2 from Paul --- I've followed your instructions as closely as I can, trying more than one variation, and it works fine for me. You seem to be confusing user defined Actions with the built-in 'Learn spam or ham'. Perhaps your instructions lack some vital information. For instance, in the Toolbars configuration you do not say which 'Item type' you are selecting, or the 'Event executed on click' option, not the 'Toolbar text' you have used. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From subscript at free.fr Sun Oct 26 17:27:36 2014 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:27:36 +0100 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <5446115100BC415B@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141026093907.34127e17@Braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <5446115100BC415B@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> Message-ID: <20141026172736.02cb7924@anthra> Hello R, On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 16:01:35 +0000 R Kimber wrote: > On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:39:07 -0400 > Michael A. Yetto wrote: > > > As I heard the explanation, the reason for two spaces after the > > end of a sentence is due to the difficulty to see the tiny > > or faint dot left by most typewriters. The second space makes > > the end of the sentence more prominent which is unnecessary with > > a properly designed typeface. > > > > Personally, I don't feel the loss of the second space. > > I'm not entirely convinced by these historical 'reasons'; but, > aesthetically, I prefer to have two spaces, and that's what I always put > when I'm word-processing. It just looks better. That sounds really subjective and not standard to me. Never seen this in either French or English readings. Is there any norm, language rule or standard behind this? Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Oct 26 17:52:59 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 16:52:59 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3310] Toolbar action buttons wrongly refer to translated action names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3310 --- Comment #3 from Albert ARIBAUD --- @Paul (comment 2): Did you run the CM in French when you tried to reproduce the issue? I made sure the bug reproduction instructions worked, by trying them step by step as I was writing them. I can do a video capture of the screen and attach it to the bug report if that can help. Indeed, I did discover the bug with spam filtering actions; but I did reproduce it with simple coloring actions, and I kept the names Ham and Spam because I knew these names would be translated and would thus trigger the bug. As far as details are concerned: for both buttons item types was "Action" -- that is in fact the only item type you can select if you want to map a button to a user-defined action; and the item selected was the corresponding user defined action of course -- actually, I did not describt this phase as there can only be one way to create a -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Oct 26 17:53:40 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 16:53:40 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3310] Toolbar action buttons wrongly refer to translated action names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3310 Albert ARIBAUD changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|WORKSFORME |--- --- Comment #4 from Albert ARIBAUD --- (sorry for the mistyping) ... to create a button mapped to a user-defined action -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From eyolf at oestrem.com Sun Oct 26 18:08:15 2014 From: eyolf at oestrem.com (Eyolf =?UTF-8?B?w5hzdHJlbQ==?=) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 18:08:15 +0100 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141026172736.02cb7924@anthra> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141026093907.34127e17@Braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <5446115100BC415B@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> <20141026172736.02cb7924@anthra> Message-ID: <20141026180815.17a1c8e6@oestrem.com> On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:27:36 +0100 wwp wrote: > That sounds really subjective and not standard to me. Never seen this > in either French or English readings. Is there any norm, language rule > or standard behind this? Long story short: early printing guides (17th to early 20th c.) prescribe a 1 em space between sentences and 1/3-1/2 em between words. (French printers have always used the same space in both cases, though, hence "French spacing"). With the advent of typewriters, double- or triple-space became a way to mimic printed text. Gradually during the 20th c., the practice was abandoned in printed text, but has remained in the type-writing traditions of some countries. Virtually none of the leading style-guides today use double-spacing, though, and as was mentioned, it is highly country-specific. I have an inkling that it's partly a US/Europe divide, but I'm not sure. Eyolf -- the cuckoo serenades all of Edo all...night...long! From richardkimber at btinternet.com Sun Oct 26 18:25:04 2014 From: richardkimber at btinternet.com (R Kimber) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:25:04 +0000 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141026172736.02cb7924@anthra> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141026093907.34127e17@Braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <5446115100BC415B@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> <20141026172736.02cb7924@anthra> Message-ID: <5449604C0055BF07@rgout04.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:27:36 +0100 wwp wrote: > That sounds really subjective and not standard to me. Never seen this > in either French or English readings. Is there any norm, language rule > or standard behind this? My feeling is that if someone wants to express themselves in a particular way, the software shouldn't prevent it. Not everything needs to be standardised. One can take conformity too far. - Richard. -- Richard Kimber From slitt at troubleshooters.com Sun Oct 26 18:26:14 2014 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:26:14 -0400 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <5446115100BC415B@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141026093907.34127e17@Braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <5446115100BC415B@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> Message-ID: <20141026132614.46cd6426@mydesq2.domain.cxm> On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 16:01:35 +0000 R Kimber wrote: > On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 09:39:07 -0400 > Michael A. Yetto wrote: > > > As I heard the explanation, the reason for two spaces after the > > end of a sentence is due to the difficulty to see the tiny > > or faint dot left by most typewriters. The second space makes > > the end of the sentence more prominent which is unnecessary with > > a properly designed typeface. > > > > Personally, I don't feel the loss of the second space. > > I'm not entirely convinced by these historical 'reasons'; but, > aesthetically, I prefer to have two spaces, and that's what I always > put when I'm word-processing. It just looks better. > > - Richard. Some of us like 1 space after period, some like 2, some don't care. Now let's look at the elephants in the room: * Claws-Mail currently has one of the best word-wrapping algorithms around. It wraps for you, rewrapping is just deleting a newline and inserting a space, and if you REALLY want a long line, you can (carefully) do it. It's an all-around great word wrapping algorithm, and one of the reasons I stay with Claws. * It's been said more than once on this list that the word-wrapping algorithm is difficult, prone to breakage upon modification, and people are scared to mess with it. * One space more or less after period isn't a showstopper, it's an aesthetic choice not important enough (to most of us) to jeopardize working code. Plus the fact that the person who prioritizes aesthetics over functionality is probably using Thunderbird anyway. So, for those practical reasons, I suggest we leave well enough alone. SteveT Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Oct 26 18:31:29 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:31:29 +0000 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <5449604C0055BF07@rgout04.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141026093907.34127e17@Braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <5446115100BC415B@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> <20141026172736.02cb7924@anthra> <5449604C0055BF07@rgout04.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> Message-ID: <20141026173129.3920bb4d@thewildbeast> On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:25:04 +0000 R Kimber wrote: > My feeling is that if someone wants to express themselves in a > particular way, the software shouldn't prevent it. Not everything > needs to be standardised. One can take conformity too far. This is where the Actions feature comes in. Use it to reflow the text how you wish, using an external programmer or script. with regards Paul -- Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières From linxt at comcast.net Sun Oct 26 23:01:43 2014 From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:01:43 -0700 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> Message-ID: <20141026150143.7a39e7cf@desktop-1.home> On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:04:54 +1100 blind Pete wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've just noticed an oddity about word wrapping. > > Back back in the day when dinosaurs roamed the earth and students leant > typing in a room full of mechanical typewriters, it was drilled into us > the correct way to type was with *one* space after a word or lesser > punctuation mark, but *two* spaces after sentence ending full stop, > question mark, or exclamation mark. After dabbling in typography, > kerning and all of that I tend to agree, although in the modern era of > one finger typists and 'leat speak, it does seem to be an unknown > nicety. > > Anyway, CM's auto word wrapping strips out the "unnecessary" space. Is > there any way to turn that off? Or should I ask for an enhancement? > Something like a check box to double space between sentences, or after > the characters; '.', '?', and '!' under /Configuraton -> Settings -> > Compose -> Wrapping/? Spaniards would probably want the upsidedown > versions of those. > Word wrapping can be turned off or on in "Configure > Preferences > Wrapping" (in 3.11.0). Not a direct answer to stripping out spaces but it would allow you to format the way you wish. Tom - old school, two spaces after period. -- Failure seldom stops you. What stops you is the fear of failure. - Jack Lemmon ^^ --... ...-- / -.- --. --... -.-. ..-. -.-. ^^^^ Tom Taylor KG7CFC openSUSE 13.1 (64-bit), Kernel 3.11.6-4-default, KDE 4.11.2, AMD Phenom X4 955, GeForce GTX 550 Ti (Nvidia 337.19) 16GB RAM -- 3x1.5TB sata2 -- 128GB-SSD FF 27.0, claws-mail 3.10.0 registered linux user 263467 From subscript at free.fr Mon Oct 27 00:00:38 2014 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:00:38 +0100 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <5449604C0055BF07@rgout04.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141026093907.34127e17@Braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <5446115100BC415B@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> <20141026172736.02cb7924@anthra> <5449604C0055BF07@rgout04.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> Message-ID: <20141027000038.3067088c@anthra> Hello R, On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:25:04 +0000 R Kimber wrote: > On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:27:36 +0100 > wwp wrote: > > > That sounds really subjective and not standard to me. Never seen this > > in either French or English readings. Is there any norm, language rule > > or standard behind this? > > My feeling is that if someone wants to express themselves in a particular > way, the software shouldn't prevent it. Not everything needs to be > standardised. One can take conformity too far. Yeah that sounds like customization or parameter-ability, provided that the software is flexible enough (one would say powerful enough, but that is obviously a question of subjectivity). Easy to troll about it, indeed. Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From subscript at free.fr Mon Oct 27 00:01:25 2014 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:01:25 +0100 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141026180815.17a1c8e6@oestrem.com> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141026093907.34127e17@Braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <5446115100BC415B@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> <20141026172736.02cb7924@anthra> <20141026180815.17a1c8e6@oestrem.com> Message-ID: <20141027000125.2668bc43@anthra> Hello Eyolf, On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 18:08:15 +0100 Eyolf Østrem wrote: > On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:27:36 +0100 wwp wrote: > > > That sounds really subjective and not standard to me. Never seen this > > in either French or English readings. Is there any norm, language rule > > or standard behind this? > > Long story short: early printing guides (17th to early 20th c.) prescribe a > 1 em space between sentences and 1/3-1/2 em between words. (French printers > have always used the same space in both cases, though, hence "French spacing"). > > With the advent of typewriters, double- or triple-space became a way to mimic > printed text. Gradually during the 20th c., the practice was abandoned in > printed text, but has remained in the type-writing traditions of some > countries. > > Virtually none of the leading style-guides today use double-spacing, though, > and as was mentioned, it is highly country-specific. I have an inkling that > it's partly a US/Europe divide, but I'm not sure. Thanks a lot for this enlightenment. I'm glad that in French such spacing difference didn't+doesn't exist ;-). Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From eyolf at oestrem.com Mon Oct 27 00:12:08 2014 From: eyolf at oestrem.com (Eyolf =?UTF-8?B?w5hzdHJlbQ==?=) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:12:08 +0100 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141027000125.2668bc43@anthra> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141026093907.34127e17@Braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <5446115100BC415B@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> <20141026172736.02cb7924@anthra> <20141026180815.17a1c8e6@oestrem.com> <20141027000125.2668bc43@anthra> Message-ID: <20141027001208.725360b2@oestrem.com> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:01:25 +0100 wwp wrote: > Thanks a lot for this enlightenment. I'm glad that in French such > spacing difference didn't+doesn't exist ;-). In this respect, at least, France has always had a sensible literary culture. :) -- cherry blossoms chickens with eyes stitched shut are clucking From albert.aribaud at free.fr Mon Oct 27 00:47:56 2014 From: albert.aribaud at free.fr (Albert ARIBAUD) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:47:56 +0100 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141027000125.2668bc43@anthra> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141026093907.34127e17@Braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <5446115100BC415B@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> <20141026172736.02cb7924@anthra> <20141026180815.17a1c8e6@oestrem.com> <20141027000125.2668bc43@anthra> Message-ID: <20141027004756.0d6827fb@lilith> Bonjour wwp, Le Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:01:25 +0100, wwp a écrit : > Hello Eyolf, > > > On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 18:08:15 +0100 Eyolf Østrem wrote: > > > On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:27:36 +0100 wwp wrote: > > > > > That sounds really subjective and not standard to me. Never seen this > > > in either French or English readings. Is there any norm, language rule > > > or standard behind this? > > > > Long story short: early printing guides (17th to early 20th c.) prescribe a > > 1 em space between sentences and 1/3-1/2 em between words. (French printers > > have always used the same space in both cases, though, hence "French spacing"). > > > > With the advent of typewriters, double- or triple-space became a way to mimic > > printed text. Gradually during the 20th c., the practice was abandoned in > > printed text, but has remained in the type-writing traditions of some > > countries. > > > > Virtually none of the leading style-guides today use double-spacing, though, > > and as was mentioned, it is highly country-specific. I have an inkling that > > it's partly a US/Europe divide, but I'm not sure. > > Thanks a lot for this enlightenment. I'm glad that in French such > spacing difference didn't+doesn't exist ;-). This is somewhat true, and then somewhat not: while we French indeed never use double spaces (that I know of, anyway), we do have rules about putting a space before "double" (two-stroke) punctuation and no space before "simple" (one-stroke) other. And that's for typed text, of course; for true typography, we do have complex spacing rules with different widths and sorts of spaces. > Regards, Amicalement, -- Albert. From ghaverla at materialisations.com Mon Oct 27 02:20:29 2014 From: ghaverla at materialisations.com (Gordon Haverland) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:20:29 -0600 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> Message-ID: <20141026192029.44d46bbc@newmain.materia> The objective behind two spaces at the end of a sentence, is to visually identify the break between sentences. The object of formatting any source (HTML, TeX, ...) is to make the formatted text as easy to read as is possible. HTML introduced the idea (to me) that some spaces cannot be reduced to 0 width. Pete is talking about the "extra space" which separates sentences, which means it cannot be reduced beyond something significantly wider than 1 space. Yes, other languages (and cultures) can have developed other biases. Did what developed come to its present form based on logic, or politics? It seems I am only capable of learning one human language (English). But in trying to learn Spanish, I can really appreciate the upside down question marks and exclamation marks in written Spanish. It gives notice that a change in inflection is needed. I think the gold standard for word wrapping fixed width font messages (in email) is Text::Autoformat from Perl (by Damien Conway). If I am forced into editing (deleting) part of some quoted in context, I will typically put 2 spaces between sentences. Gord From subscript at free.fr Mon Oct 27 09:38:09 2014 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:38:09 +0100 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141027004756.0d6827fb@lilith> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141026093907.34127e17@Braetac.lighthouse.yetnet> <5446115100BC415B@rgout06.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> <20141026172736.02cb7924@anthra> <20141026180815.17a1c8e6@oestrem.com> <20141027000125.2668bc43@anthra> <20141027004756.0d6827fb@lilith> Message-ID: <20141027093809.09ab2a03@anthra> Hello Albert, On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:47:56 +0100 Albert ARIBAUD wrote: > Bonjour wwp, > > Le Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:01:25 +0100, wwp a écrit : > > > Hello Eyolf, > > > > > > On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 18:08:15 +0100 Eyolf Østrem wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:27:36 +0100 wwp wrote: > > > > > > > That sounds really subjective and not standard to me. Never seen this > > > > in either French or English readings. Is there any norm, language rule > > > > or standard behind this? > > > > > > Long story short: early printing guides (17th to early 20th c.) prescribe a > > > 1 em space between sentences and 1/3-1/2 em between words. (French printers > > > have always used the same space in both cases, though, hence "French spacing"). > > > > > > With the advent of typewriters, double- or triple-space became a way to mimic > > > printed text. Gradually during the 20th c., the practice was abandoned in > > > printed text, but has remained in the type-writing traditions of some > > > countries. > > > > > > Virtually none of the leading style-guides today use double-spacing, though, > > > and as was mentioned, it is highly country-specific. I have an inkling that > > > it's partly a US/Europe divide, but I'm not sure. > > > > Thanks a lot for this enlightenment. I'm glad that in French such > > spacing difference didn't+doesn't exist ;-). > > This is somewhat true, and then somewhat not: while we French indeed > never use double spaces (that I know of, anyway), we do have rules about > putting a space before "double" (two-stroke) punctuation and no space > before "simple" (one-stroke) other. And that's for typed text, of > course; for true typography, we do have complex spacing rules with > different widths and sorts of spaces. Yeah, and I'm glad that since electronic text communication exist, we are somehow "free" to simplify writing rules (it was less data to carry but nowadays it servers other simplification/speed purposes I guess). The space-before-double-punctuation rule has changed or been introduced one day - since I never remember when or how (was NOT present before? before what?) I always skip such space before ;: , and write in a more "generic" way. Interesting topic here, I'm not sure we're helping the OT, but at least I'm glad to see there are email writers here who still care about language. Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From clifflaine at europe.com Mon Oct 27 11:08:22 2014 From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:08:22 +0000 Subject: [Users] Keyboard shortcut for go to URL? In-Reply-To: <20141018134656.26823fc3@marjoriebubble-MXC061> References: <20141018134656.26823fc3@marjoriebubble-MXC061> Message-ID: <20141027100822.6b0f5dd7@marjoriebubble-MXC061> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 13:46:56 +0100 Cliff Laine wrote: > Is there a keyboard shortcut for making a URL open from a message > containing one? > Could I bump this please? Cliff From ricardo at mones.org Mon Oct 27 11:14:08 2014 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:14:08 +0100 Subject: [Users] Theme Contest 2014 unleashed! In-Reply-To: <20141026143053.36954e60@PPlive> References: <20141024004549.4ea9e2f2@busgosu> <20141026143053.36954e60@PPlive> Message-ID: <20141027101408.GK11058@trasgu> Hi, On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 02:30:53PM +1100, blind Pete wrote: > On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 00:45:49 +0200 > Ricardo Mones wrote: > […] > > http://www.claws-mail.org/theme-contest-2014.php > > > > Happy theming! > > Is this the appropriate place to ask themeing questions? If about the contest, sure :) > Assuming it is; > > Does > show the complete list of icons? Why are "notice_error" and > "notice_warn" blank? Well, they probably got missing somehow. That page is informative, the authoritative list of icons is on sources, of course, and these you refer are there: http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=tree;f=src/pixmaps > Do all icons have a standard size, some are > listed, some are not. I have designed an approximately double > size set that suits me. We're trying to replace current set, so it must fit in. Doubling the size, while useful for some, it's not suitable for a default. Said that, it could be (I don't know), that some icon could fit _better than current_ in the UI if slightly expanded or shrinked 1 or 2 pixels in some direction. If somebody finds that I think those changes would be acceptable, just write a note in an accompanying README explaining icon.xpm is now XxY size because… But in principle new icon sizes must match current icon sizes to ease replacement as much as possible. > Why do you prefer xpm to png? Is it so that > icons can be included as "code"? Exactly, as they currently are. > Which xpm version do you like? There > seem to be a few versions. Many many more questions to come. With the version used in source code :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_PixMap#XPM3 I've updated contest page with links to this and the full icon list in sources, thanks! -- Ricardo Mones ~ Never send a human to do a machine's job. Agent Smith -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From colin at colino.net Mon Oct 27 11:14:15 2014 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:14:15 +0100 Subject: [Users] Keyboard shortcut for go to URL? In-Reply-To: <20141027100822.6b0f5dd7@marjoriebubble-MXC061> References: <20141018134656.26823fc3@marjoriebubble-MXC061> <20141027100822.6b0f5dd7@marjoriebubble-MXC061> Message-ID: <20141027111415.52c18b72@colin.i-run.lau> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:08:22 +0000, Cliff Laine wrote: Hi Cliff, > > Is there a keyboard shortcut for making a URL open from a message > > containing one? > > > > Could I bump this please? There's "Tools/List URLs..." (Shift-Ctrl-U) that opens a window with all available URLs from the current message, allowing you to select and open the one you want without using the mouse. HTH, -- Colin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From barry at python.org Mon Oct 27 11:30:56 2014 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 06:30:56 -0400 Subject: [Users] Keyboard shortcut for go to URL? References: <20141018134656.26823fc3@marjoriebubble-MXC061> <20141027100822.6b0f5dd7@marjoriebubble-MXC061> <20141027111415.52c18b72@colin.i-run.lau> Message-ID: <20141027063056.356c1186@anarchist.wooz.org> On Oct 27, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Colin Leroy wrote: >There's "Tools/List URLs..." (Shift-Ctrl-U) that opens a window with >all available URLs from the current message, allowing you to select and >open the one you want without using the mouse. Wow. For as long as I've been using CM, I never knew about this. I love time machines. :) Cheers, -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: not available URL: From clifflaine at europe.com Mon Oct 27 11:41:18 2014 From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:41:18 +0000 Subject: [Users] Keyboard shortcut for go to URL? In-Reply-To: <20141027063056.356c1186@anarchist.wooz.org> References: <20141018134656.26823fc3@marjoriebubble-MXC061> <20141027100822.6b0f5dd7@marjoriebubble-MXC061> <20141027111415.52c18b72@colin.i-run.lau> <20141027063056.356c1186@anarchist.wooz.org> Message-ID: <20141027104118.74f67a8c@marjoriebubble-MXC061> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 06:30:56 -0400 Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Oct 27, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Colin Leroy wrote: > > >There's "Tools/List URLs..." (Shift-Ctrl-U) that opens a window with > >all available URLs from the current message, allowing you to select > >and open the one you want without using the mouse. > > Wow. For as long as I've been using CM, I never knew about this. I > love time machines. :) Me neither! Thanks Colin. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 27 12:27:20 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:27:20 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3312] New: Freeze on startup (cairo-scaled-font.c:459) Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3312 Bug ID: 3312 Summary: Freeze on startup (cairo-scaled-font.c:459) Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.11.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: blocker Priority: P3 Component: UI Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: aleks at s-ko.net Created attachment 1441 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1441&action=edit This is how 'broken' window looks like When starting claws-mail, it freezes on startup, displaying partially drawn window (broken, controls, or list of mail is not displaying). I then cannot close window normally, xkill leaves process in the background, and only killall helps. Problem is inconsistant, closing and starting program repeatedly fixes this and everything works fine, until next start. This seems random to me. Issue appeared somewhere about v3.10.0 I am running v3.11.0 on GNU Operating System (Archlinux distribution). -- ERROR OUTPUT START -- claws-mail: cairo-scaled-font.c:459: _cairo_scaled_glyph_page_destroy: Assertion `!scaled_font->cache_frozen' failed. claws.c:102:Starting Claws Mail version Claws Mail 3.11.0 utils.c:1924:using default rc_dir /home/muchweb/.claws-mail main.c:2174:Using control socket /tmp/claws-mail-1001/3382360de817c896880f2200f8944259 main.c:2269:another Claws Mail instance is already running. ** (process:2701): WARNING **: Socket IO timeout ** (process:2701): WARNING **: [11:13:27] Socket IO timeout. Claws Mail is already running on display . -- ERROR OUTPUT END -- Please note that another process was NOT running. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 27 12:27:53 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:27:53 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3312] Freeze on startup (cairo-scaled-font.c:459) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3312 --- Comment #1 from aleks at s-ko.net --- Created attachment 1442 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1442&action=edit This is how working window should look like -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 27 12:51:45 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:51:45 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3312] Freeze on startup (cairo-scaled-font.c:459) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3312 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|blocker |normal --- Comment #2 from Ricardo Mones --- Seems a problem of your distribution, not of Claws Mail: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=169075 Have you tried to use a different font ? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 27 12:55:08 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 11:55:08 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3312] Freeze on startup (cairo-scaled-font.c:459) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3312 --- Comment #3 from Ricardo Mones --- (In reply to comment #2) > Seems a problem of your distribution, not of Claws Mail: > > https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=169075 > > Have you tried to use a different font ? Well, to be fair, not a distribution problem, but a cairo problem, other distros have also same issue: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=109680 ;-) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:04:33 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:04:33 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3313] New: external editor Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3313 Bug ID: 3313 Summary: external editor Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail (Windows) Version: 3.11.0 Hardware: PC OS: Windows 7 Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: default Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: boerner at busys.de Hi, i don't know if its a bug but i didn't find any Info about it. its not possible to open an external editor (automatic or manually) The Option/Checkbox "use system defaults if possible" (in "external programs") is greyed out and if i use notepad '%s' oder gvim -f '%s' as texteditor neither one opens when i compose a message oder navigate to "edit with external editor" I tried to find an older Version to test ist but didn't find anything. The same problem on several Machines i tried (even changed the values directly in the xml-file but no luck) thx in advance vb -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:05:42 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:05:42 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3313] external editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3313 --- Comment #1 from vb --- not version 3.11 but version 3.10.1 - windows -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:06:41 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:06:41 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3312] Freeze on startup (cairo-scaled-font.c:459) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3312 aleks at s-ko.net changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|normal |blocker --- Comment #4 from aleks at s-ko.net --- Thank you. I have refreshed font size $ sudo fc-cache -f -v but this didn't help (still crashing). --- > Have you tried to use a different font ? This would mean changing font for all of my GTK programs, which not really a good solution for me. Also claws-main is only crashing in about 80% of times. No other program is crashing like this. --- I am running Cairo version 1.14.0-1 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:17:18 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:17:18 +0000 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141026192029.44d46bbc@newmain.materia> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141026192029.44d46bbc@newmain.materia> Message-ID: <20141027121718.34743822@thewildbeast> On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:20:29 -0600 Gordon Haverland wrote: > The objective behind two spaces at the end of a sentence, is to > visually identify the break between sentences. For me, the full stop is enough of a visual clue. :) with regards Paul -- Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:27:28 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:27:28 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3313] external editor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3313 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Version|3.11.0 |3.10.1 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:29:12 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:29:12 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3312] Freeze on startup (cairo-scaled-font.c:459) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3312 --- Comment #5 from Ricardo Mones --- (In reply to comment #4) > Thank you. > > I have refreshed font size > > $ sudo fc-cache -f -v > > but this didn't help (still crashing). > > --- > > > Have you tried to use a different font ? > > This would mean changing font for all of my GTK programs, which not really a > good solution for me. Also claws-main is only crashing in about 80% of > times. No other program is crashing like this. > > --- > > I am running Cairo version 1.14.0-1 And downgrading Cairo? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:35:56 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:35:56 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3312] Freeze on startup (cairo-scaled-font.c:459) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3312 --- Comment #6 from Paul --- (In reply to comment #4) > This would mean changing font for all of my GTK programs, which not really a > good solution for me. Also claws-main is only crashing in about 80% of > times. No other program is crashing like this. Actually it wouldn't mean that. It could mean just your GTK2 apps, or, more fine grained than that, just for Claws. You can just place a gtkrc-2.0 file in ~/.claws-mail/ -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:46:25 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:46:25 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3312] Freeze on startup (cairo-scaled-font.c:459) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3312 --- Comment #7 from aleks at s-ko.net --- (In reply to comment #6) > (In reply to comment #4) > > This would mean changing font for all of my GTK programs, which not really a > > good solution for me. Also claws-main is only crashing in about 80% of > > times. No other program is crashing like this. > > Actually it wouldn't mean that. It could mean just your GTK2 apps, or, more > fine grained than that, just for Claws. You can just place a gtkrc-2.0 file > in ~/.claws-mail/ This has fixed an issue. I have changed GTK font in gtkrc-2.0 file from "Terminus 10" to "Monospace 10" (which defaults to Terminus anyway) and it works OK, still using then same font. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 27 13:47:35 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 12:47:35 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3312] Freeze on startup (cairo-scaled-font.c:459) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3312 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 27 20:19:30 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:19:30 +0000 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.1 Unleashed!! Message-ID: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> 27th October 2014 Claws Mail 3.11.1 CLAWS MAIL RELEASE NOTES http://www.claws-mail.org Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast email client. New in this release: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Use 'gnutls_priority' hidden account preference for POP3 and STARTTLS connections, in addition to SMTP. * RSSyl plugin: Enable use of .netrc to store network credentials. * Remove dependency on intltool. * Remove appdata. * Updated translations: Norwegian Bokmål. * Bug fixes: o bug 3306, 'HTML tag is not always rendered in error dialog' o bug 3308, 'build ignores --localedir' For further details of the numbered bugs and RFEs listed above consult http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- See ChangeLog for full information regarding changes in this release. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Oct 27 20:20:00 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:20:00 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3308] build ignores --localedir In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3308 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #1 from Paul --- Fixed in release 3.11.1. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From emilyj at hiwaay.net Mon Oct 27 21:54:31 2014 From: emilyj at hiwaay.net (Emily Jackson) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:54:31 -0500 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.1 Unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> References: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20141027155431.0000165b@hiwaay.net> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:19:30 +0000 Paul wrote: > 27th October 2014 Claws Mail 3.11.1 > > CLAWS MAIL RELEASE NOTES > http://www.claws-mail.org > > Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast > email client. Might I ask when the new version will be ported to Windows? Thanks, Emily From itz at buug.org Mon Oct 27 21:47:31 2014 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:47:31 -0700 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.1 Unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> References: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20141027134731.13c95fe9.itz@buug.org> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:19:30 +0000, Paul wrote: > 27th October 2014 Claws Mail 3.11.1 I get this: ytnef.c: In function 'TNEFRecipTable': ytnef.c:327:18: error: 'count' undeclared (first use in this function) ytnef.c:327:18: note: each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in ytnef.c:328:1: error: control reaches end of non-void function [-Werror=return-type] Also, I think po/Makefile.in.in should not be in git, because autoreconf wants to copy it, and bails out if it finds a different one. It should still be in the tarball, of course. Thanks for the good work! -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Local Variables: mode:claws-external End: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20141027134731.13c95fe9.itz@buug.org> References: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> <20141027134731.13c95fe9.itz@buug.org> Message-ID: <20141027222927.4cdbf396@penny> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:47:31 -0700 Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:19:30 +0000, > Paul wrote: > > > 27th October 2014 Claws Mail > > 3.11.1 > > I get this: > > ytnef.c: In function 'TNEFRecipTable': > ytnef.c:327:18: error: 'count' undeclared (first use in this function) > ytnef.c:327:18: note: each undeclared identifier is reported only > once for each function it appears in ytnef.c:328:1: error: control > reaches end of non-void function [-Werror=return-type] > > Also, I think po/Makefile.in.in should not be in git, because > autoreconf wants to copy it, and bails out if it finds a different > one. It should still be in the tarball, of course. > > Thanks for the good work! > You must have some old version, because that 'count' variable was removed in June, as part of commit a5e54ecd. -- Andrej -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From rezso at rezso.net Mon Oct 27 22:54:39 2014 From: rezso at rezso.net (=?UTF-8?B?UMOhZGVyIFJlenPFkQ==?=) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 22:54:39 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.1 Unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> References: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20141027225439.705e9c19@papi.home> Just a note: I can compile the notification plugin with libindicate 0.6.1 (indicate-0.6), but the configure not finds it. So I need to fix with sed or patch. Regards, rezso -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From itz at buug.org Tue Oct 28 00:06:44 2014 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:06:44 -0700 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.1 Unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141027222927.4cdbf396@penny> References: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> <20141027134731.13c95fe9.itz@buug.org> <20141027222927.4cdbf396@penny> Message-ID: <20141027160644.033a1cb7.itz@buug.org> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 22:29:27 +0100, Andrej Kacian wrote: Ian> ytnef.c: In function 'TNEFRecipTable': Ian> ytnef.c:327:18: error: 'count' undeclared (first use in this function) Ian> ytnef.c:327:18: note: each undeclared identifier is reported only Ian> once for each function it appears in ytnef.c:328:1: error: control Ian> reaches end of non-void function [-Werror=return-type] Andrej> You must have some old version, because that 'count' variable Andrej> was removed in June, as part of commit a5e54ecd. The truth is a bit more complicated, but you're right that this is not something present in current git. Mea culpa. -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Local Variables: mode:claws-external End: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From claws-mail_user at thehugheslogcabin.net Tue Oct 28 04:38:51 2014 From: claws-mail_user at thehugheslogcabin.net (Michael Hughes) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 22:38:51 -0500 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.1 Unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> References: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20141027223851.541c96cd@thehugheslogcabin.net> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:19:30 +0000 Paul wrote: > 27th October 2014 Claws Mail 3.11.1 > > CLAWS MAIL RELEASE NOTES > http://www.claws-mail.org > > Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast > email client. Compiled from git and running on FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE-p12: Claws Mail version 3.11.1 runtime GTK+ 2.24.22 / GLib 2.36.3 buildtime GTK+ 2.24.22 / GLib 2.36.3 Compiled-in features: Enchant GnuTLS IPv6 iconv LDAP libetpan 1.1 libSM -- Michael Hughes Log Home living is the best -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au Tue Oct 28 09:17:57 2014 From: peter_s_d at fastmail.com.au (blind Pete) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 19:17:57 +1100 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> Message-ID: <20141028191757.763f9bf2@PPlive> On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:04:54 +1100 blind Pete wrote: [snip] Hi again, The response has been surprising; it seems that I am not the only old person here. Just in case there is anyone who is really old is reading this, the spaces between the words are here to stay. It makes the text much easier to read and we don't have to use expensive vellum any more. Historically, typography was an art with no hard and fast rules. All of the printers were trying to represent the language, or languages, well and out do their competitors. Things have more or less standardised within English, but that does not mean that we can not set new standards. :-) Consider emoticons, for example. There are at least four different definitions of the point. 1) /Postscript/ version one defines a point as one seventy second of one inch. Later versions of /Postscript/ backtracked and stated that the "design unit" of 1/72" was not a printer's point. 2) The English printer's point of slightly less than 1/72". 3) The American printer's point, very slightly different again. 4) The Australian Bureau of Meteorology used to quote rainfall in points - that is hundredths of an inch. Don't use points for precision work. Ligatures (multiple letters combined into a single glyph) have been shunned as needlessly complex, but in Arabic they have become an art form. They have letters that change shape depending on whether they are at the start of the word, the end of the word, or enclosed. And they write from right to left. English is easier. UTF has dozens of white space characters. The ones that I am interested in are the "en" (the width of the letter 'N', used to separate words), the "em" (twice as wide as an en, and used to separate sentences), and the non breaking space (the word processor's night mare). Aside: How do you enter a NBSP into CM? I just tried , , and ; without success. If you can handle spaces, then hyphens are not too bad. You just have to know the difference between a hard hyphen ("re-cover" is not the same as "recover" and should not be split), a discretionary hyphen ("non-standard" may be split), soft hyphens (added and removed by the word processor as required), and invisible hyphenation hints. Apart from minor inconsistencies between official standards, web browsers, dialects, and common ignorance; it is all straight forward -- over the Niagara Falls. Distinguishing between a new line and a new paragraph was not a problem on the printed page, but with text that can be re-flowed it is nice to have an unambiguous paragraph marker. Should the polite line break at 72 characters be added during composition? Or only on sending? If complex algorithms make you nervous, this might be a disturbing message. Sorry. Now, consider variable width fonts... I'm not trying to troll, I'm just thinking about some very minor improvements, and whether they are worth the effort - or even possible. Hopefully someone found this mildly interesting. -- testing bP -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From subscript at free.fr Tue Oct 28 10:37:01 2014 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:37:01 +0100 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141028191757.763f9bf2@PPlive> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141028191757.763f9bf2@PPlive> Message-ID: <20141028103701.4f72ef3d@anthra> Hello blind, On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 19:17:57 +1100 blind Pete wrote: > On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:04:54 +1100 > blind Pete wrote: > [snip] > > Hi again, > > The response has been surprising; it seems that I am not the only old > person here. > > Just in case there is anyone who is really old is reading this, the > spaces between the words are here to stay. It makes the text much > easier to read and we don't have to use expensive vellum any more. > > Historically, typography was an art with no hard and fast rules. > All of the printers were trying to represent the language, or languages, > well and out do their competitors. Things have more or less > standardised within English, but that does not mean that we can not set > new standards. :-) Consider emoticons, for example. > > There are at least four different definitions of the point. > 1) /Postscript/ version one defines a point as one seventy second of > one inch. Later versions of /Postscript/ backtracked and stated > that the "design unit" of 1/72" was not a printer's point. > 2) The English printer's point of slightly less than 1/72". > 3) The American printer's point, very slightly different again. > 4) The Australian Bureau of Meteorology used to quote rainfall in > points - that is hundredths of an inch. > Don't use points for precision work. > > Ligatures (multiple letters combined into a single glyph) have been > shunned as needlessly complex, but in Arabic they have become an art > form. They have letters that change shape depending on whether they > are at the start of the word, the end of the word, or enclosed. And > they write from right to left. English is easier. > > UTF has dozens of white space characters. The ones that I am > interested in are the "en" (the width of the letter 'N', used to > separate words), the "em" (twice as wide as an en, and used to separate > sentences), and the non breaking space (the word processor's night > mare). Aside: How do you enter a NBSP into CM? I just tried > , , and ; without success. > > If you can handle spaces, then hyphens are not too bad. You just have > to know the difference between a hard hyphen ("re-cover" is not the > same as "recover" and should not be split), a discretionary hyphen > ("non-standard" may be split), soft hyphens (added and removed by the > word processor as required), and invisible hyphenation hints. Apart > from minor inconsistencies between official standards, web browsers, > dialects, and common ignorance; it is all straight forward -- over the > Niagara Falls. > > Distinguishing between a new line and a new paragraph was not a problem > on the printed page, but with text that can be re-flowed it is nice to > have an unambiguous paragraph marker. Should the polite line break > at 72 characters be added during composition? Or only on sending? > > If complex algorithms make you nervous, this might be a disturbing > message. Sorry. > > Now, consider variable width fonts... > > I'm not trying to troll, I'm just thinking about some very minor > improvements, and whether they are worth the effort - or even > possible. Hopefully someone found this mildly interesting. Interesting, thanks for sharing all this with us! I'm afraid Claws Mail's text editor isn't meant to be a rich text editor (that's why we allow using an external editor, if one dares) :-), but a simple text editor with wrapping and quotes folding. Wrapping is not bug-free or flaw-free, and I doubt developers will implement rich text features like spacing pondering, even non-breakable spacing (which will require to allow seeing control characters, and we're back to the simple vs rich text editing thing). Of course I'm only speaking in my name! Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From h.m.brand at xs4all.nl Tue Oct 28 11:44:16 2014 From: h.m.brand at xs4all.nl (H.Merijn Brand) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:44:16 +0100 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141028103701.4f72ef3d@anthra> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141028191757.763f9bf2@PPlive> <20141028103701.4f72ef3d@anthra> Message-ID: <20141028114416.624b950d@pc09.procura.nl> On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:37:01 +0100, wwp wrote: > Hello blind, > > > On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 19:17:57 +1100 blind Pete wrote: > > > On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:04:54 +1100 > > blind Pete wrote: > > [snip] > > > > Hi again, > > > > The response has been surprising; it seems that I am not the only old > > person here. > > > > Just in case there is anyone who is really old is reading this, the > > spaces between the words are here to stay. It makes the text much > > easier to read and we don't have to use expensive vellum any more. > > > > Historically, typography was an art with no hard and fast rules. > > All of the printers were trying to represent the language, or languages, > > well and out do their competitors. Things have more or less > > standardised within English, but that does not mean that we can not set > > new standards. :-) Consider emoticons, for example. > > > > There are at least four different definitions of the point. > > 1) /Postscript/ version one defines a point as one seventy second of > > one inch. Later versions of /Postscript/ backtracked and stated > > that the "design unit" of 1/72" was not a printer's point. > > 2) The English printer's point of slightly less than 1/72". > > 3) The American printer's point, very slightly different again. > > 4) The Australian Bureau of Meteorology used to quote rainfall in > > points - that is hundredths of an inch. > > Don't use points for precision work. Don't use imperial for precision work at all. Use Metric :) It still feels weird that font sizes are as imprecise as you describe. One can have 12pt characters or 12 cpi fixed-width fonts. So very counterintuitive > > Ligatures (multiple letters combined into a single glyph) have been > > shunned as needlessly complex, but in Arabic they have become an art > > form. They have letters that change shape depending on whether they > > are at the start of the word, the end of the word, or enclosed. And > > they write from right to left. English is easier. Same for Hebrew There are still some (western)European ligatures that never clearly defined their width, e.g.: æ œ ß ij > > UTF has dozens of white space characters. The ones that I am > > interested in are the "en" (the width of the letter 'N', used to > > separate words), the "em" (twice as wide as an en, and used to separate > > sentences), and the non breaking space (the word processor's night > > mare). Aside: How do you enter a NBSP into CM? I just tried > > , , and ; without success. On *my* computer (OpenSUSE Linux) is is defined in Compose: 0000a0   NO-BREAK SPACE There are more :) 000020 SPACE 0000a0   NO-BREAK SPACE 001680   OGHAM SPACE MARK 002002   EN SPACE 002003   EM SPACE 002004   THREE-PER-EM SPACE 002005   FOUR-PER-EM SPACE 002006   SIX-PER-EM SPACE 002007   FIGURE SPACE 002008   PUNCTUATION SPACE 002009   THIN SPACE 00200a   HAIR SPACE 00200b ​ ZERO WIDTH SPACE 00202f   NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE 00205f   MEDIUM MATHEMATICAL SPACE 002420 ␠ SYMBOL FOR SPACE 003000   IDEOGRAPHIC SPACE 00303f 〿 IDEOGRAPHIC HALF FILL SPACE 00feff  ZERO WIDTH NO-BREAK SPACE 0e0020 󠀠 TAG SPACE > > If you can handle spaces, then hyphens are not too bad. You just have > > to know the difference between a hard hyphen ("re-cover" is not the > > same as "recover" and should not be split), a discretionary hyphen > > ("non-standard" may be split), soft hyphens (added and removed by the > > word processor as required), and invisible hyphenation hints. Apart > > from minor inconsistencies between official standards, web browsers, > > dialects, and common ignorance; it is all straight forward -- over the > > Niagara Falls. IMHO, hyphens are just as bad, maybe even worse nowadays, as some word-processors replace the default hyphen (a dash) with "smart" hyphens that appear almost the same as a dash, making copy-paste for command-lines from documentation untrustworthy: ps ‐‐help 00002d - HYPHEN-MINUS 0000ad ­ SOFT HYPHEN 00058a ֊ ARMENIAN HYPHEN 001400 ᐀ CANADIAN SYLLABICS HYPHEN 001806 ᠆ MONGOLIAN TODO SOFT HYPHEN 002010 ‐ HYPHEN 002011 ‑ NON-BREAKING HYPHEN 002043 ⁃ HYPHEN BULLET 002e17 ⸗ DOUBLE OBLIQUE HYPHEN 002e1a ⸚ HYPHEN WITH DIAERESIS 0030a0 ゠ KATAKANA-HIRAGANA DOUBLE HYPHEN 00fe63 ﹣ SMALL HYPHEN-MINUS 00ff0d - FULLWIDTH HYPHEN-MINUS 0e002d 󠀭 TAG HYPHEN-MINUS 002012 ‒ FIGURE DASH 002013 – EN DASH 002014 — EM DASH (and 38 more) > > Distinguishing between a new line and a new paragraph was not a problem > > on the printed page, but with text that can be re-flowed it is nice to > > have an unambiguous paragraph marker. Should the polite line break > > at 72 characters be added during composition? Or only on sending? > > > > If complex algorithms make you nervous, this might be a disturbing > > message. Sorry. > > > > Now, consider variable width fonts... > > > > I'm not trying to troll, I'm just thinking about some very minor > > improvements, and whether they are worth the effort - or even > > possible. Hopefully someone found this mildly interesting. I do, but I use fixed-width fonts only in mail and automatically delete HTML alternatives from people I know to add nothing in HTML and just waste bandwidth. What for crying out load is the added value of having only your signature in Comic Sans??? (Yes, really) IMHO rendering variable width fonts in an email client is a no-go for *ME*. A complete waste of time. What if someone uses a different version of the same font? Even the version of the font may vary from Windows to Linux to MacOSX to - god forbid - the printers native font. PDF was invented to prevent presentational issues with fonts and graphics, but I have seen numerous PDF's where the document "assumes" the default fonts to be present (Courier and Times New Roman, however unacceptable ugly they might be, are considered to be always present on every device that displays PDF. Their representation however is far from standard. > Interesting, thanks for sharing all this with us! > > I'm afraid Claws Mail's text editor isn't meant to be a rich text editor +1 > (that's why we allow using an external editor, if one dares) :-), On a regular basis, but NOT for the reasons above, but for the features of the editor. E-mail is seldom meant to write space-aligned tables :) > but a simple text editor with wrapping and quotes folding. Wrapping is > not bug-free or flaw-free, and I doubt developers will implement rich > text features like spacing pondering, even non-breakable spacing (which > will require to allow seeing control characters, and we're back to the > simple vs rich text editing thing). Of course I'm only speaking in my > name! It is relatively easy to write an Action (a plugin is much harder). The Action can be a filter that reflows the text to your liking. If it will show the same on the receivers device however is something I very much doubt. Plain text for the win! > Regards, -- H.Merijn Brand http://tux.nl Perl Monger http://amsterdam.pm.org/ using perl5.00307 .. 5.21 porting perl5 on HP-UX, AIX, and openSUSE http://mirrors.develooper.com/hpux/ http://www.test-smoke.org/ http://qa.perl.org http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cliff From senex at drofle.co.uk Tue Oct 28 13:26:22 2014 From: senex at drofle.co.uk (senex at drofle.co.uk) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 12:26:22 +0000 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.0 unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141028115926.7a910da3@marjoriebubble-MXC061> References: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> <20141026143811.6de97ef6@PPlive> <20141028115926.7a910da3@marjoriebubble-MXC061> Message-ID: <20141028122622.042745e6@Willow> On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:59:26 +0000 Cliff Laine wrote: > On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 14:38:11 +1100 > blind Pete wrote: > > > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:46:55 +0100 > > Paul wrote: > > > > > 20th October 2014 Claws Mail > > > 3.11.0 > > [snip] > > > > Excellent. > > > > How do I get it? Is there a PPA for Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, or do > > I have to work out how to compile from source? > > > > Yes there is - https://launchpad.net/~claws-mail/+archive/ubuntu/ppa > but I gather it might take a little while for 3.11.0 to appear there. > > Cliff I have been watching this thread with interest. I am using version 3.10.1 now. I am fairly new to Claws and I am wondering if an update will just happen automatically or if I should be doing something myself. And, if so what? Can anyone point me in the right direction please? Neil From ricardo at mones.org Tue Oct 28 13:45:44 2014 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:45:44 +0100 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141028191757.763f9bf2@PPlive> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141028191757.763f9bf2@PPlive> Message-ID: <20141028124544.GN11058@trasgu> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 07:17:57PM +1100, blind Pete wrote: > On Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:04:54 +1100 > blind Pete wrote: > [snip] > […] > UTF has dozens of white space characters. The ones that I am > interested in are the "en" (the width of the letter 'N', used to > separate words), the "em" (twice as wide as an en, and used to separate > sentences), and the non breaking space (the word processor's night > mare). Aside: How do you enter a NBSP into CM? I just tried > , , and ; without success. Like any other unicode char in GTK+2, by default: shift-ctrl-u + + ⏎ Beware with some other input method which overrides or disables this (check your GTK_IM_MODULE environment variable). […] > If complex algorithms make you nervous, this might be a disturbing > message. Sorry. > > Now, consider variable width fonts... […] All of this is already solved by TeX/LaTeX, problem is people doesn't want to wait several seconds/minutes for each mail to be rendered in typessetting quality, and there's neither a chip maker wanting to create a TeX/LaTeX ASIC ;-) -- Ricardo Mones ~ Don't take the name of root in vain. /usr/src/linux/README -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you're on Linux, the new version should show up eventually in your distribution's package system - how quickly is entirely up to your distro's admins/packagers. This is usually considered best practice, since otherwise (e.g. if you build and install it yourself) you will have program files spread out all over your system, and any updates will be a potential pain. If you're on windows or mac, on the other hand, you're on your own. :) Wait for an official installer. eyolf -- Q: What is purple and commutes? A: An Abelian grape. From slitt at troubleshooters.com Tue Oct 28 15:03:53 2014 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:03:53 -0400 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141028103701.4f72ef3d@anthra> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141028191757.763f9bf2@PPlive> <20141028103701.4f72ef3d@anthra> Message-ID: <20141028100353.067887e9@mydesq2.domain.cxm> On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:37:01 +0100 wwp wrote: > I'm afraid Claws Mail's text editor isn't meant to be a rich text > editor (that's why we allow using an external editor, if one > dares) :-), but a simple text editor with wrapping and quotes > folding. Wrapping is not bug-free or flaw-free, and I doubt > developers will implement rich text features like spacing pondering, > even non-breakable spacing (which will require to allow seeing > control characters, and we're back to the simple vs rich text editing > thing). I would hope not. If I wanted pretty, I'd use HTML email like spammers. The purpose of email, at least for me, is to convey information quickly, not to look pretty. Readable, not pretty. Clear, not pretty. Over the last 20 years, enough conventions like emoticons and *emphasis* have developed that typography isn't necessary to convey your point. To me, if you really need a specific appearance, attach a PDF. Claws is already a sizeable group of source files that I personally find hard to understand: I don't think it needs to grow further to accommodate pretty. There are other ways to do pretty. Just because one learned to use two spaces after a period in high school typing class doesn't mean one can't start using one. It's really not that big an adjustment, and the two space crew is a tiny minority. SteveT Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance From senex at drofle.co.uk Tue Oct 28 15:45:56 2014 From: senex at drofle.co.uk (senex at drofle.co.uk) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:45:56 +0000 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.0 unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141028135547.5eda6e4e@oestrem.com> References: <20141020204655.2f0e32aa@thewildbeast> <20141026143811.6de97ef6@PPlive> <20141028115926.7a910da3@marjoriebubble-MXC061> <20141028122622.042745e6@Willow> <20141028135547.5eda6e4e@oestrem.com> Message-ID: <20141028144556.5c33c717@Willow> On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:55:47 +0100 Eyolf Østrem wrote: > That depends on your platform/distro. If you're on Linux, the new > version should show up eventually in your distribution's package > system - how quickly is entirely up to your distro's > admins/packagers. This is usually considered best practice, since > otherwise (e.g. if you build and install it yourself) you will have > program files spread out all over your system, and any updates will > be a potential pain. > > If you're on windows or mac, on the other hand, you're on your > own. :) Wait for an official installer. > > eyolf > > Thanks. I should have said which platform, I forget that some people actually use Windows. I am using Xubuntu 14.04. I have never used a mac. I have not used Windows for 15 years. I did not install Claws myself, just used synaptic. So I will wait for it to happen. Meanwhile it is working well, Neil From barry at python.org Tue Oct 28 15:51:10 2014 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:10 -0400 Subject: [Users] word wrapping References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141028191757.763f9bf2@PPlive> <20141028103701.4f72ef3d@anthra> Message-ID: <20141028105110.4e4debba@anarchist.wooz.org> On Oct 28, 2014, at 10:37 AM, wwp wrote: >(that's why we allow using an external editor, if one dares) :-), The external editor support is *the* killer CM feature for me. Okay, there's lots else I love about it but the fact that I can respond and compose messages in my preferred editor[*] with all my keybindings, crutches, and conveniences, is the reason I started using CM and without that, I might be tempted elsewhere. Cheers, -Barry [*] emacs via emacsclient if you care. :) But it is fantastic beyond description to be able to just copy and paste code samples, shell buffer output, and other stuff I *already* have visible in my emacs buffers right into an email without any pain or suffering. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: not available URL: From itz at buug.org Tue Oct 28 16:59:51 2014 From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:59:51 -0700 Subject: [Users] word wrapping In-Reply-To: <20141028105110.4e4debba@anarchist.wooz.org> References: <20141026150454.72504d5d@PPlive> <20141028191757.763f9bf2@PPlive> <20141028103701.4f72ef3d@anthra> <20141028105110.4e4debba@anarchist.wooz.org> Message-ID: <20141028085951.37dbbd16.itz@buug.org> On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:10 -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: > [*] emacs via emacsclient if you care. :) But it is fantastic beyond > description to be able to just copy and paste code samples, shell buffer > output, and other stuff I *already* have visible in my emacs buffers right > into an email without any pain or suffering. +1 -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. 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URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 13:34:45 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:34:45 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3314] New: user can't distinct between trustworthy and untrustworthy gpg signatures Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3314 Bug ID: 3314 Summary: user can't distinct between trustworthy and untrustworthy gpg signatures Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: other Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: critical Priority: P3 Component: Plugins/Privacy Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: hw42-claws-mail at ipsumj.de Commit fe89b3a7 [0] broke the verification of the trustworthiness of gpg signatures. Every "correct" (i.e. key X signed this message correctly) is show as good signature. This is a critical security bug since now the user don't see if the UID of the key which made this signature is valid. So it's sufficient that someone has imported the key which has signed the message - but the UID is never verified. I think the committer was confused about the meaning of owner-trust and signature validity in the context of gpg. Owner-trust is a user specific setting for a key which determines how much you trust signatures made by that key. Validity say if gpg could verify that the UID of the key is valid. This is done by checking the signatures of the key in combination with the according owner-trust (see also [1]). To reproduce simply import a key of which you don't now if it's UID is valid. Now open a message which is correctly signed this message. This is show as "good signature" and you have no indication that you don't now that the UID is valid. This affects versions >= 3.10.0 [0]: http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe89b3a7fbcefc21dcf195929c948bd8be603788;hp=b0a0fd75fb84a8bfffebc945faa241b06feb91bf [1]: https://www.gnupg.org/faq/GnuPG-FAQ.html#what-are-trust-validity-and-ownertrust -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 13:41:09 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:41:09 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3311] *** SSL-Verbindung schlug fehl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3311 --- Comment #3 from Chris Ludwig --- Created attachment 1443 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1443&action=edit screen-copies -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 13:43:09 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:43:09 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3314] user can't distinct between trustworthy and untrustworthy gpg signatures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3314 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #1 from Paul --- In fact, no. That commit did what it said, "fix erroneous 'untrusted' msg based on validity not trust". Previously it reported a "valid" sig as a "trusted" sig. That was mixing up "owner trust" with "uid vailidity". "valid" and "trust" are not interchangeable terms. Now if you want to see validity and trust, click the button a 2nd time to "view full information" -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 13:55:08 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:55:08 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3314] user can't see validity of gpg signatures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3314 HW42 changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|INVALID |--- Summary|user can't distinct between |user can't see validity of |trustworthy and |gpg signatures |untrustworthy gpg | |signatures | --- Comment #2 from HW42 --- Ok, I maybe formulated the bug message a bit confusing. But the problem remains. If the signature is correct (i.e. key X singed this message) the thing which the user really interested in is if the signature is valid (i.e. he trust that the show UID really belongs to key X). So it is very critical to show the validity in the "Good signature" message. (Yes the full information shows this correctly.) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 14:06:24 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:06:24 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3314] user can't see validity of gpg signatures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3314 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #3 from Paul --- You can think of the initial display as 'gpg -v' and the full info as 'gpg -v --verify-options show-uid-validity' -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 15:50:53 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:50:53 +0000 Subject: [Users] Claws vs Sylpheed - Several junk folders - Migration from Evolution In-Reply-To: <1414593827.19024.74.camel@rocketmail.com> References: <1414591131.19024.55.camel@yahoo.com> <20141029140503.71fe8332@thewildbeast> <1414593827.19024.74.camel@rocketmail.com> Message-ID: <20141029145053.227e7fae@thewildbeast> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:43:47 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Thank you, I guess it's ok to send my reply to the list too. Let's hope so, since you've already done it! :) BTW, no need to Cc us now, just the list address is fine. with regards Paul -- Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Wed Oct 29 16:12:02 2014 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:12:02 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws vs Sylpheed - Several junk folders - Migration from Evolution In-Reply-To: <20141029140503.71fe8332@thewildbeast> References: <1414591131.19024.55.camel@yahoo.com> <20141029140503.71fe8332@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <1414595522.19024.76.camel@rocketmail.com> Hi Paul, On Wed, 2014-10-29 at 14:05 +0000, Paul wrote: > Hi Ralf, > > On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:58:51 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > I subscribed to the list a few minutes ago. My first mail [2] was > > rejected [1]. > > > > What is wrong with my request? > > Yahoo.com has a problem with our server. Mis-diagnosed anti-spam > measures. So, unless you have a different address at a different > domain, you're out of luck. > > Still, I can answer your questions. Thank you, I guess it's ok to send my reply to the list too. > > is it correct that one difference between Sylpheed and Claws is, > > that when reading a mail with Claws, no other operation does work, > > while Sylpheed can continue with other operations? > > That's not true about Claws. Although it is not completely > multi-threaded, it is not quite so bad as you heard! > > > Is it possible to use bogofilter for POP accounts, but to filter the > > junk detected by bogofilter sorted by .net, .com, .ru etc. and move > > it to individual junk folders, instead of moving it to one junk > > folder? > > You can use bogofilter via filtering rules, rather than the plugin, > and then you can do further processing on it during filtering. So, > short answer: yes. That's good. Since you're on both list's I suspect there's no difference between Claws and Sylpheed regarding this option?! > > Is it possible to import mail folders from Evolution? > > In what format does Evolution store mail? In what formats can it > export mail? I'm using POP accounts and Evolution does use maildir to store the mails. Evolution seems only be able to save single mails as mbox (not an option for doing it with thousands of mails). Evolution seems not to be able to export folders. Regards, Ralf From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 16:43:41 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:43:41 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3311] *** SSL-Verbindung schlug fehl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3311 --- Comment #4 from moonkid at posteo.org --- Please compare your screenshot with mine. There are differences. Please modify your settings (POP3) to STARTTLS and try again. If this doesn't work un-check the two Port-checkbockes from your second screenshot. Please feel free to contact me directly in german language over my mail adress. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 17:01:08 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:01:08 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3314] user can't see validity of gpg signatures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3314 HW42 changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|INVALID |--- --- Comment #4 from HW42 --- At least the gpg versions I have tested (1.4.18, 2.0.26, 2.1.0-beta895) does very clearly show if the validity of the signature can't be verified (they also use "trusted" here): [...] gpg: Good signature from "Some UID " gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner. [...] I think it's very critical to display the validity of the signature since else you have to click every time to the "full information". -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 17:12:48 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:12:48 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3314] user can't see validity of gpg signatures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3314 --- Comment #5 from Paul --- (In reply to comment #4) > At least the gpg versions I have tested (1.4.18, 2.0.26, 2.1.0-beta895) > does very clearly show if the validity of the signature can't be > verified (they also use "trusted" here): > > [...] > gpg: Good signature from "Some UID " > gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! > gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner. > [...] > > I think it's very critical to display the validity of the signature > since else you have to click every time to the "full information". It's not the validity of the signature that you're seeing, it's the validity of the UID. A signature is either good or bad, a UID has validity. The owner has "trust". You are confusing the terms and using them as if they are interchangeable. They are not. How is this "critical"? If you're verifying a downloaded software package, e.g. the Claws Mail tarballs, or verifying a signature on a message, e.g. the Claws Mail release announcements, would you not trust them? Do you never trust a signature unless you've signed the key? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 17:58:18 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:58:18 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3314] user can't see validity of gpg signatures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3314 --- Comment #6 from HW42 --- > It's not the validity of the signature that you're seeing, it's the > validity of the UID. A signature is either good or bad, a UID has > validity. The owner has "trust". You are confusing the terms and using > them as if they are interchangeable. They are not. Yes "good/bad signature" and "validity" and "(owner-)trust" have different meanings in gpg. Sorry if my formulation was unclear. My point is that it is critical to the user to see if the uid of the key which created a "good signature" is valid. > How is this "critical"? If you're verifying a downloaded software > package, e.g. the Claws Mail tarballs, or verifying a signature on a > message, e.g. the Claws Mail release announcements, would you not trust > them? Do you never trust a signature unless you've signed the key? There are two possibilities. Either I have a keyring which contains only trusted keys. For example the debian-keyring (here I mean "trusted" in the sense of I trust them to sign packages. uid's are ignored here). Or the other possibility is that I know via my Web-of-Trust (i.e. I have personally signed the key, or somebody I trust (i.e. owner-trust) have signed it, or you manually verify longer certification chains) that the uid belongs to the key. In your "normal" keyring you always import potentially untrusted keys when you fetch them from a keyserver. It's critical since else way I could simply upload the attached fake key to a keyserver (obviuosly without the warning in the uid) and publish a fake release of claws-mail. When somebody now reads the release message hey sees "key 0x654CECFF not available" and therefore download it from the key server. Now claws-mail states "Good signature from Paul ...". Unless he clicks on the "full information" he has no indication that something is wrong. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 17:59:30 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:59:30 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3314] user can't see validity of gpg signatures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3314 --- Comment #7 from HW42 --- Created attachment 1444 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1444&action=edit Fake key to demonstrate the problem with not showing the validity -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 18:00:39 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:00:39 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3314] user can't see validity of gpg signatures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3314 --- Comment #8 from HW42 --- Created attachment 1445 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1445&action=edit Good signature made with the fake key. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 18:49:09 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:49:09 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3314] user can't see validity of gpg signatures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3314 --- Comment #9 from HW42 --- > In your "normal" keyring you always import potentially untrusted keys > when you fetch them from a keyserver. Here I mean "untrusted" in the sense of "untrusted input" not owner-trust (since everybody can upload arbitrary key to the keyservers. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 19:40:08 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 18:40:08 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3311] *** SSL-Verbindung schlug fehl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3311 Chris Ludwig changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 19:41:23 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 18:41:23 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3314] user can't see validity of gpg signatures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3314 --- Comment #10 from Paul --- The content of attachment 1444 has been deleted by Paul without providing any reason. The token used to delete this attachment was generated at 2014-10-29 19:41:16 CET. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 19:44:39 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 18:44:39 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3314] user can't see validity of gpg signatures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3314 --- Comment #11 from Paul --- (In reply to comment #7) > Created attachment 1444 [details] > Fake key to demonstrate the problem with not showing the validity Not necessary, I understand your words. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Wed Oct 29 20:23:43 2014 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 20:23:43 +0100 Subject: [Users] Unsubscribing to bug report comments? Message-ID: <1414610623.17728.5.camel@rocketmail.com> Hi, I unsubscribed from the Sylpheed list and for test purpose I installed Claws Mail version 3.11.0 and will stay subscribed to the Claws Mail users' support and discussion mailing list. There's one annoyance. I receive bug report comments. The footers claim that I'm the assignee for those bugs. Is there a way to disable receiving bug report comments, when I'm not interested in bug reports I didn't reported? Btw. I don't compile 3.11.1 yet, the Wiki informs that it is from October 27, 2014, I'm using Arch and expect that there will be a package available in a few days. Regards, Ralf From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Wed Oct 29 20:53:20 2014 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:53:20 -0300 Subject: [Users] Unsubscribing to bug report comments? In-Reply-To: <1414610623.17728.5.camel@rocketmail.com> References: <1414610623.17728.5.camel@rocketmail.com> Message-ID: <20141029165320.2340f063@ron.cerrocora.org> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 20:23:43 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > There's one annoyance. I receive bug report comments. The footers claim > that I'm the assignee for those bugs. Is there a way to disable > receiving bug report comments, when I'm not interested in bug reports I > didn't reported? Create a filtering rule on Subject Matchcase "[Users] [Bug" to send it to the rubbish, and mark it as read. Cheers, Ron. -- You can't fall off the floor. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 20:56:44 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:56:44 +0000 Subject: [Users] Unsubscribing to bug report comments? In-Reply-To: <1414610623.17728.5.camel@rocketmail.com> References: <1414610623.17728.5.camel@rocketmail.com> Message-ID: <20141029195644.3a502621@thewildbeast> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 20:23:43 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > There's one annoyance. I receive bug report comments. The footers > claim that I'm the assignee for those bugs. No, the footer says the To address is the assignee, i.e. the mailing list address. > Is there a way to > disable receiving bug report comments, when I'm not interested in > bug reports I didn't reported? You can deal with them using filtering. with regards Paul -- Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Wed Oct 29 22:08:24 2014 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:08:24 +0100 Subject: [Users] Unsubscribing to bug report comments? In-Reply-To: <20141029195644.3a502621@thewildbeast> References: <1414610623.17728.5.camel@rocketmail.com> <20141029195644.3a502621@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <1414616904.17728.7.camel@rocketmail.com> Thanks, On Wed, 2014-10-29 at 19:56 +0000, Paul wrote: > You can deal with them using filtering. but I'm aware about this, anyway, I would prefer not to retrieve mails that are unwanted. Still a few mailing lists behave like this, so the amount of unrelated mails could cause much traffic. Fortunately most lists don't do it (anymore). Regards, Ralf PS: Especially annoying for me, since I will test Claws, but I also will retrieve the POP account mails with the MUA I use since years, so double the traffic, including double the traffic caused by unwanted mails :). After receiving with Claws I don't delete them from the server and after receiving with my current MUA I delete them from the server. And too funny, I compare my old with a new MUA, because the filtering of my old MUA doesn't work anymore as needed. However, I do not switch to another MUA without intensive comparison/testing. From eyolf at oestrem.com Wed Oct 29 22:30:36 2014 From: eyolf at oestrem.com (Eyolf =?UTF-8?B?w5hzdHJlbQ==?=) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:30:36 +0100 Subject: [Users] Unsubscribing to bug report comments? In-Reply-To: <20141029195644.3a502621@thewildbeast> References: <1414610623.17728.5.camel@rocketmail.com> <20141029195644.3a502621@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20141029223036.5589c0a2@oestrem.com> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:56:44 +0000 Paul wrote: > No, the footer says the To address is the assignee, i.e. the mailing > list address. To be fair, the footer says nothing about the To address, it says: > You are receiving this mail because: > You are the assignee for the bug. It confused me a bit too, even though I haven't filed any bugs yet (I think...) e -- I have become me without my consent. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Oct 29 23:00:01 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:00:01 +0000 Subject: [Users] Unsubscribing to bug report comments? In-Reply-To: <20141029223036.5589c0a2@oestrem.com> References: <1414610623.17728.5.camel@rocketmail.com> <20141029195644.3a502621@thewildbeast> <20141029223036.5589c0a2@oestrem.com> Message-ID: <20141029220001.1b0180ab@thewildbeast> Mail from the bug tracker gets delivered to this mailing list because it is believed and/or hoped that subscribers, as Claws Mail users, can help in bug reporting. Be that confirming, suggesting solutions, or whatever. Feature requests also come here via the bug tracker, and this makes everyone aware of the requests, and enables everyone to voice an opinion on the usefulness of such a feature. Or they can just filter them away. All in all, it's about getting user involvement, and opening up an aspect of development to conversation, however slight that might turn out to be in practice. regards Paul -- Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières From boxcars at gmx.net Wed Oct 29 23:05:50 2014 From: boxcars at gmx.net (=?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?=) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:05:50 -0500 Subject: [Users] Unsubscribing to bug report comments? References: <1414610623.17728.5.camel@rocketmail.com> <20141029195644.3a502621@thewildbeast> <1414616904.17728.7.camel@rocketmail.com> Message-ID: <20141029170550.4696dee4@sepulchrave.remarqs> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:08:24 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Thanks, > > On Wed, 2014-10-29 at 19:56 +0000, Paul wrote: > > You can deal with them using filtering. > > but I'm aware about this, anyway, I would prefer not to retrieve mails > that are unwanted. Still a few mailing lists behave like this, so the > amount of unrelated mails could cause much traffic. Fortunately most > lists don't do it (anymore). To reduce traffic, you might prefer getting the posts via NNTP from gmane.org. The server is news.gmane.org and the group is gmane.mail.sylpheed.claws.general. To post via gmane, you need to be subscribed to the mailing list, but you can remain subscribed and turn off e-mail delivery. From info.mardorf at rocketmail.com Wed Oct 29 23:28:20 2014 From: info.mardorf at rocketmail.com (Ralf Mardorf) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 23:28:20 +0100 Subject: [Users] Unsubscribing to bug report comments? In-Reply-To: <20141029220001.1b0180ab@thewildbeast> References: <1414610623.17728.5.camel@rocketmail.com> <20141029195644.3a502621@thewildbeast> <20141029223036.5589c0a2@oestrem.com> <20141029220001.1b0180ab@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <1414621700.21096.7.camel@rocketmail.com> On Wed, 2014-10-29 at 22:00 +0000, Paul wrote: > All in all, it's about getting user involvement, and opening up > an aspect of development to conversation The hugest user group likely are Linux users regarding the OS and they likely don's use the latest stable versions from upstream, but outdated versions from release distros instead, so getting those users involved unlikely makes much sense. 2 Cents On Wed, 2014-10-29 at 17:05 -0500, »Q« wrote: > To reduce traffic, you might prefer getting the posts via NNTP from >gmane.org. The server is news.gmane.org and the group is >gmane.mail.sylpheed.claws.general. To post via gmane, you need to be >subscribed to the mailing list, but you can remain subscribed and turn >off e-mail delivery. Thank you, I guess I live with the annoying traffic instead. From colin at colino.net Thu Oct 30 10:11:19 2014 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:11:19 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.1 Unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141027155431.0000165b@hiwaay.net> References: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> <20141027155431.0000165b@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: <20141030101119.0737a515@colin.i-run.lau> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:54:31 -0500, Emily Jackson wrote: Hi Emily, > > Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast > > email client. > > Might I ask when the new version will be ported to Windows? I'm planning to do it and started, but I have upgraded my workstation a few weeks ago and apparently there are some incompatibilities in the cross-compilation build chain w.r.t Webkit, so I can't finish the build right now. I need to figure out the problem and patch it, but it's a rather difficult process in Webkit (which is huge). Will do my best. -- Colin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ricardo at mones.org Thu Oct 30 11:23:52 2014 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:23:52 +0100 Subject: [Users] Unsubscribing to bug report comments? In-Reply-To: <20141029170550.4696dee4@sepulchrave.remarqs> References: <1414610623.17728.5.camel@rocketmail.com> <20141029195644.3a502621@thewildbeast> <1414616904.17728.7.camel@rocketmail.com> <20141029170550.4696dee4@sepulchrave.remarqs> Message-ID: <20141030102352.GB13794@trasgu> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 05:05:50PM -0500, »Q« wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:08:24 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > Thanks, > > > > On Wed, 2014-10-29 at 19:56 +0000, Paul wrote: > > > You can deal with them using filtering. > > > > but I'm aware about this, anyway, I would prefer not to retrieve mails > > that are unwanted. Still a few mailing lists behave like this, so the > > amount of unrelated mails could cause much traffic. Fortunately most > > lists don't do it (anymore). > > To reduce traffic, you might prefer getting the posts via NNTP from > gmane.org. The server is news.gmane.org and the group is > gmane.mail.sylpheed.claws.general. To post via gmane, you need to be > subscribed to the mailing list, but you can remain subscribed and turn > off e-mail delivery. Since gmane is just serving the whole mailing list via NNTP I wonder how it reduces the traffic... :-) -- Ricardo Mones ~ Never send a human to do a machine's job. Agent Smith -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From brad at fineby.me.uk Thu Oct 30 12:16:48 2014 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:16:48 +0000 Subject: [Users] Unsubscribing to bug report comments? In-Reply-To: <20141030102352.GB13794@trasgu> References: <1414610623.17728.5.camel@rocketmail.com> <20141029195644.3a502621@thewildbeast> <1414616904.17728.7.camel@rocketmail.com> <20141029170550.4696dee4@sepulchrave.remarqs> <20141030102352.GB13794@trasgu> Message-ID: <20141030111648.1d69a5cf@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:23:52 +0100 Ricardo Mones wrote: Hello Ricardo, >Since gmane is just serving the whole mailing list via NNTP I wonder how >it reduces the traffic... :-) By d/l'ing just overviews, and selecting from that list only those article(s) you wish to read (can be scripted to automatically exclude bug tracker posts), you don't need to d/l those articles of no interest. Thus, less traffic. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" He signed up for just three years, it seemed a small amount Tin Soldiers - Stiff Little Fingers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20141027134731.13c95fe9.itz@buug.org> References: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> <20141027134731.13c95fe9.itz@buug.org> Message-ID: <20141030120956.60fc0eba@Willow> On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:47:31 -0700 Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:19:30 +0000, > Paul wrote: > > > 27th October 2014 Claws Mail > > 3.11.1 > > I get this: > > ytnef.c: In function 'TNEFRecipTable': > ytnef.c:327:18: error: 'count' undeclared (first use in this function) > ytnef.c:327:18: note: each undeclared identifier is reported only > once for each function it appears in ytnef.c:328:1: error: control > reaches end of non-void function [-Werror=return-type] > > Also, I think po/Makefile.in.in should not be in git, because > autoreconf wants to copy it, and bails out if it finds a different > one. It should still be in the tarball, of course. > > Thanks for the good work! > This is an area where I am still puzzled sometimes. I am running version 3.10.1. The latest version is 3.11.1. Will this automatically upgrade soon or should I be doing something to get it? If I download the latest PPA and run it for example, will that find the old version and just upgrade, or is it more complicated than that? I suggest that other users will find some help with this very useful, Neil From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 14:59:12 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:59:12 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3315] New: claws-mail 3.10.1 don't remember some settings Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3315 Bug ID: 3315 Summary: claws-mail 3.10.1 don't remember some settings Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.10.1 Hardware: Macintosh OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI/Message View Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: edwardando at fastwebnet.it Dear All, I'm running Debian Jessie amd4 on a recent MacBook Pro. The if I move things around in the claws-mail main program (the width of the folder list for example) it is not saved if I close and reopen the program. Furthermore (tell me if this should be reported as another bug), the same sort of problem occurs with the trayicon part of the notification plugin: I select which folders I want it to monitor, and it forgets on when I re-run the program! Any ideas? Thanks, Edward -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 14:59:28 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:59:28 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3315] claws-mail 3.10.1 doesn't remember some settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3315 Edward Andò changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|claws-mail 3.10.1 don't |claws-mail 3.10.1 doesn't |remember some settings |remember some settings -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 15:46:41 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:46:41 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3315] claws-mail 3.10.1 doesn't remember some settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3315 --- Comment #1 from Paul --- how do you quit Claws? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 15:48:53 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:48:53 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3315] claws-mail 3.10.1 doesn't remember some settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3315 --- Comment #2 from Edward Andò --- the little "x" in the corner, should I try something different? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From barry at python.org Thu Oct 30 16:59:53 2014 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:59:53 -0400 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.1 Unleashed!! References: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> <20141027134731.13c95fe9.itz@buug.org> <20141030120956.60fc0eba@Willow> Message-ID: <20141030115953.11c6b152@anarchist.wooz.org> On Oct 30, 2014, at 12:09 PM, senex at drofle.co.uk wrote: >This is an area where I am still puzzled sometimes. I am running >version 3.10.1. The latest version is 3.11.1. Will this automatically >upgrade soon or should I be doing something to get it? If I download >the latest PPA and run it for example, will that find the old version >and just upgrade, or is it more complicated than that? So it looks like Debian unstable has CM 3.11.0 while Ubuntu 14.10 and 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) has 3.10.1. Colin's PPA now has 3.11.1: https://launchpad.net/~claws-mail/+archive/ubuntu/ppa I'm not sure what the plans are for getting 3.11.1 into Debian given the Jessie freeze, but Ubuntu carries some deltas over Debian so a sync needs to be done to get that up-to-date w.r.t. Debian at least. I'm generally just a consumer of CM on both distros, but I'll put out a standing offer to help with sync or uploads, as I'm both a DD and an Ubuntu core-dev, and of course a big fan of CM. Cheers, -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Try removing the corresponding file for this account in ~/.claws-mail/uidl My guess is that this file is not empty. with regards Paul -- Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières From ricardo at mones.org Thu Oct 30 17:36:33 2014 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:36:33 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.1 Unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141030115953.11c6b152@anarchist.wooz.org> References: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> <20141027134731.13c95fe9.itz@buug.org> <20141030120956.60fc0eba@Willow> <20141030115953.11c6b152@anarchist.wooz.org> Message-ID: <20141030163633.GC13794@trasgu> Hi Barry, On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 11:59:53AM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Oct 30, 2014, at 12:09 PM, senex at drofle.co.uk wrote: > > >This is an area where I am still puzzled sometimes. I am running > >version 3.10.1. The latest version is 3.11.1. Will this automatically > >upgrade soon or should I be doing something to get it? If I download > >the latest PPA and run it for example, will that find the old version > >and just upgrade, or is it more complicated than that? > > So it looks like Debian unstable has CM 3.11.0 […] Look better, please :) https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/claws-mail > I'm not sure what the plans are for getting 3.11.1 into Debian given the > Jessie freeze, […] https://bugs.debian.org/767063 regards, -- Ricardo Mones ~ Quantity derives from measurement, figures from quantities, comparisons from figures, and victories from comparisons. Sun Tzu -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But Posteo sad to me that tests with other mail-clients and deactivated STARTTLS made no problems. So this indicates for me that Claws make something different comparing to other clients when establishing a SSL connection without STARTTLS. So what can you tell about it? Maybe it is a bug? From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 17:56:09 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:56:09 +0000 Subject: [Users] [maybe-BUG] SSL-Handling In-Reply-To: <20141030165430.41E9525B17FA@mx02.posteo.de> References: <20141030165430.41E9525B17FA@mx02.posteo.de> Message-ID: <20141030165609.06ca8c72@thewildbeast> On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:35:36 +0100 wrote: > So what can you tell about it? You need to upgrade to the latest release. with regards Paul -- Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières From barry at python.org Thu Oct 30 18:04:38 2014 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:04:38 -0400 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.1 Unleashed!! References: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> <20141027134731.13c95fe9.itz@buug.org> <20141030120956.60fc0eba@Willow> <20141030115953.11c6b152@anarchist.wooz.org> <20141030163633.GC13794@trasgu> Message-ID: <20141030130438.63b09ef2@anarchist.wooz.org> On Oct 30, 2014, at 05:36 PM, Ricardo Mones wrote: >> So it looks like Debian unstable has CM 3.11.0 […] > >Look better, please :) https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/claws-mail Ah, rmadison hadn't caught up yet. :) >> I'm not sure what the plans are for getting 3.11.1 into Debian given the >> Jessie freeze, […] > >https://bugs.debian.org/767063 Awesome. BTW, thanks for all your work on CM in Debian! Cheers, -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20141030130438.63b09ef2@anarchist.wooz.org> References: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> <20141027134731.13c95fe9.itz@buug.org> <20141030120956.60fc0eba@Willow> <20141030115953.11c6b152@anarchist.wooz.org> <20141030163633.GC13794@trasgu> <20141030130438.63b09ef2@anarchist.wooz.org> Message-ID: <20141030171747.GD13794@trasgu> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 01:04:38PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Oct 30, 2014, at 05:36 PM, Ricardo Mones wrote: > > >> So it looks like Debian unstable has CM 3.11.0 […] > > > >Look better, please :) https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/claws-mail > > Ah, rmadison hadn't caught up yet. :) > > >> I'm not sure what the plans are for getting 3.11.1 into Debian given the > >> Jessie freeze, […] > > > >https://bugs.debian.org/767063 > > Awesome. BTW, thanks for all your work on CM in Debian! You're welcome, though I don't feel like I'm going to succeed at getting 3.11.1 release into Jessie :-/ -- Ricardo Mones ~ 00:45 < hammar> cool.. have you used rssyl? 00:46 <@Ticho> um, yes Seen on #sylpheed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From moonkid at posteo.org Thu Oct 30 18:28:44 2014 From: moonkid at posteo.org (moonkid at posteo.org) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:28:44 +0100 Subject: [Users] [maybe-BUG] SSL-Handling In-Reply-To: <20141030165609.06ca8c72@thewildbeast> References: <20141030165430.41E9525B17FA@mx02.posteo.de> <20141030165609.06ca8c72@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20141030172857.31E9925C0081@mx02.posteo.de> On 2014-10-30 16:56 Paul wrote: > You need to upgrade to the latest release. Ok, this means the "bug" is still fixed. Can you give me more technical details about it or a bug-reference? btw: I am still using the current release depending on my Ubuntu-repository. :) Only because of this bug there is no need to upgrade to a out-of-repository-version. btw2: How can I found out when 3.10.1 was released? It will be the "current" version for the next Ubuntu (unicorn). From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 18:49:36 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:49:36 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3316] New: no email address in From column Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3316 Bug ID: 3316 Summary: no email address in From column Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.10.1 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: major Priority: P3 Component: UI/Message List Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: shalnoff at openmailbox.org The FROM column on the Message list doesn't shows the full "Name Surname " address. Just Name and Surname or in case of NAME SURNAME absence it shows the e-mail itself. It's would be good to have option to see the full name and address in standard form "Name Surname " as well. It'e extremely helpfull to recognise spam messages at once and mark it immidiately without reading. Thank you for creating great email client (IMHO the best)! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 19:01:22 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:01:22 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3317] New: Compose form current e-mail account Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3317 Bug ID: 3317 Summary: Compose form current e-mail account Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.10.1 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: major Priority: P3 Component: UI/Compose Window Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: shalnoff at openmailbox.org I have several mail accoints placed in separate folders. When I usually write the email I always need to choose the account that I intend to write FROM by clicking the small arrow near the Compose button. Just becouse if I click on Compose button itself it's going to compose message with DEFAULT FROM address. Would be great - to make default compose address swithcable by position of the folder selector (where I am standidng in). OR - just compose it with the FROM Address taken form the current standing folder BTW!!! There are 3 options in Preferences -> Compose -> Writing: when replying when forwarding when editing it would be logical to see there "when compose" option, to resolve the issue described above. Thank you guys for creating great mail client! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From mir at miras.org Thu Oct 30 19:08:49 2014 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:08:49 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.1 Unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141030171747.GD13794@trasgu> References: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> <20141027134731.13c95fe9.itz@buug.org> <20141030120956.60fc0eba@Willow> <20141030115953.11c6b152@anarchist.wooz.org> <20141030163633.GC13794@trasgu> <20141030130438.63b09ef2@anarchist.wooz.org> <20141030171747.GD13794@trasgu> Message-ID: <20141030190849.7f3709bd@sleipner.datanom.net> On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:17:47 +0100 Ricardo Mones wrote: > > You're welcome, though I don't feel like I'm going to succeed at > getting 3.11.1 release into Jessie :-/ If you try to persuade the Debian team to accept it as a security update the you might have luck? -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/games/fortune -es says: Always wear your seat belt. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 19:13:42 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:13:42 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3316] no email address in From column In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3316 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #1 from Paul --- Whatever way you look at this, setting it to Importance "major" is overstating it. Please read the manual, in the Hidden Preferences section, look for 'summary_from_show' option. http://www.claws-mail.org/manual/claws-mail-manual.html#adv_hidden In other words, that's already possible. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 19:15:22 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:15:22 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3317] Compose form current e-mail account In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3317 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #1 from Paul --- Activate the 'Automatic Account Selection' and/or use the Folder Properties to set the 'default account'. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 19:26:58 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:26:58 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3314] user can't see validity of gpg signatures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3314 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #12 from Paul --- I've now implemented this feature request. Just for your information, on looking back at this and the commit, fe89b3a7, you referenced, I recalled why I removed that. It was because it was broken. The switch was on gpg_err_code(sig->validity) and the case options are against gpgme_validity_t, which is a validity of a trust item or key, not a sig. Therefore you never got an accurate answer, as it was taking a err code from one thing and matching to an enum from another thing. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 19:44:15 2014 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:44:15 +0000 Subject: [Users] [maybe-BUG] SSL-Handling In-Reply-To: <20141030172857.31E9925C0081@mx02.posteo.de> References: <20141030165430.41E9525B17FA@mx02.posteo.de> <20141030165609.06ca8c72@thewildbeast> <20141030172857.31E9925C0081@mx02.posteo.de> Message-ID: <20141030184415.3f4a31b5@thewildbeast> On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:28:44 +0100 wrote: > Ok, this means the "bug" is still fixed. Can you give me more > technical details about it or a bug-reference? Claws was mistakenly defaulting to SSLv3 only on non-STARTTLS connections. > btw: I am still using the current release depending on my > Ubuntu-repository. :) Only because of this bug there is no need to > upgrade to a out-of-repository-version. Use our PPA: https://launchpad.net/~claws-mail/+archive/ubuntu/ppa > btw2: How can I found out when 3.10.1 was released? It will be the > "current" version for the next Ubuntu (unicorn). See the 'Release History' section here: http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=blob_plain;f=README;hb=HEAD with regards Paul -- Guerre aux châteaux, Paix aux chaumières From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 22:17:56 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:17:56 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3314] user can't see validity of gpg signatures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3314 --- Comment #13 from HW42 --- > I've now implemented this feature request. Thank you. > Just for your information, on looking back at this and the commit, > fe89b3a7, you referenced, I recalled why I removed that. It was because > it was broken. The switch was on gpg_err_code(sig->validity) and the > case options are against gpgme_validity_t, which is a validity of a > trust item or key, not a sig. Therefore you never got an accurate > answer, as it was taking a err code from one thing and matching to an > enum from another thing. I know it worked correctly for the case of "full" validity and for "unknown" validity. But due to the type mismatch this was obviously just luck. Since the "Good signature"-message can still be misleading for somebody not so familiar with the terms used by gpg what do you think of simply show the validity like in the full information view? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 22:34:33 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:34:33 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3297] mark thread read In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3297 --- Comment #3 from moonkid at posteo.org --- So you gave your argument and I answered to it. This is nearly three weeks ago! Where is the discussion about this topic? There is a need for it (the discussion). We need to find out if a patch for this enhancement would be accepted. Would it be ok to invenst time for such a patch or is just waste. That is the question. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 22:36:44 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:36:44 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 1490] please scroll to make expanded threads visible In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1490 --- Comment #1 from moonkid at posteo.org --- It would be nice to have. But it should be possible to switch it off. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 22:39:47 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:39:47 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3071] Navigate Threads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3071 --- Comment #1 from moonkid at posteo.org --- Depends on #3297 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From eyolf at oestrem.com Thu Oct 30 22:39:17 2014 From: eyolf at oestrem.com (Eyolf =?UTF-8?B?w5hzdHJlbQ==?=) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 22:39:17 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3297] mark thread read In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20141030223917.5a79e48d@oestrem.com> Den Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:34:33 +0000 noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk skrev: > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3297 > > --- Comment #3 from moonkid at posteo.org --- > So you gave your argument and I answered to it. > This is nearly three weeks ago! > > Where is the discussion about this topic? There is a need for it (the > discussion). > We need to find out if a patch for this enhancement would be accepted. > > Would it be ok to invenst time for such a patch or is just waste. > That is the question. For what it's worth, I was just about to ask if this functionality exists, so AFAIC, it's definitely not a waste. Eyolf -- In the pitiful, multipage, connection-boxed form to which the flowchart has today been elaborated, it has proved to be useless as a design tool -- programmers draw flowcharts after, not before, writing the programs they describe. - Fred Brooks, Jr. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 22:41:04 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:41:04 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2375] 'Mark -> Watch thread' only marks displayed messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2375 --- Comment #1 from moonkid at posteo.org --- Depends on #3297 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 22:42:35 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:42:35 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3297] mark thread read In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3297 moonkid at posteo.org changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- See Also| |http://www.thewildbeast.co. | |uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show | |_bug.cgi?id=2375 Depends on| |2375, 3071 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Oct 30 22:42:49 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:42:49 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3297] mark thread read In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3297 moonkid at posteo.org changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- See Also| |http://www.thewildbeast.co. | |uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show | |_bug.cgi?id=3071 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From moonkid at posteo.org Thu Oct 30 22:44:40 2014 From: moonkid at posteo.org (moonkid at posteo.org) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 22:44:40 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3297] mark thread read In-Reply-To: <20141030223917.5a79e48d@oestrem.com> References: <20141030223917.5a79e48d@oestrem.com> Message-ID: <20141030214533.CA84C25A3DE9@mx02.posteo.de> On 2014-10-30 22:39 Eyolf Østrem wrote: > For what it's worth, I was just about to ask if this functionality > exists, so AFAIC, it's definitely not a waste. It doesn't exists. The question is if the maintainers would commit such a patch to the sources and next release or not. If not I wouldn't invest time in this. From ricardo at mones.org Fri Oct 31 13:11:05 2014 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:11:05 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.11.1 Unleashed!! In-Reply-To: <20141030190849.7f3709bd@sleipner.datanom.net> References: <20141027191930.5c9c85a1@thewildbeast> <20141027134731.13c95fe9.itz@buug.org> <20141030120956.60fc0eba@Willow> <20141030115953.11c6b152@anarchist.wooz.org> <20141030163633.GC13794@trasgu> <20141030130438.63b09ef2@anarchist.wooz.org> <20141030171747.GD13794@trasgu> <20141030190849.7f3709bd@sleipner.datanom.net> Message-ID: <20141031121105.GE13794@trasgu> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 07:08:49PM +0100, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:17:47 +0100 > Ricardo Mones wrote: > > > > > You're welcome, though I don't feel like I'm going to succeed at > > getting 3.11.1 release into Jessie :-/ > If you try to persuade the Debian team to accept it as a security > update the you might have luck? Not needed, they realized by themselves :-) It's been accepted now, and should be available in testing/jessie in a couple of days. -- Ricardo Mones ~ Don't take the name of root in vain. /usr/src/linux/README -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Oct 31 13:56:28 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:56:28 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3318] New: Updating of Claws Mail via Synaptic Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3318 Bug ID: 3318 Summary: Updating of Claws Mail via Synaptic Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.9.3 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Other Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: Wathonian at gmail.com Hello, My first post, hope it is in the right place. I first found Claws Mail last August and installed it via Synaptic. Am I correct in thinking that it is for the developer to submit updates to the Repositories? Synaptic is still showing version 3.9.3 at the end of October! If I can update in another way, please advise: do I have to uninstall the old version and what are the steps to be taken to install the latest one? Thank you. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Oct 31 14:04:22 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:04:22 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3319] New: Display of dates Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3319 Bug ID: 3319 Summary: Display of dates Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.9.3 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Other Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: Wathonian at gmail.com I can find no way of altering the dates settings so that instead of displaying them in US format (MM/DD/YY) they are shown in the European format (DD/MM/YY). Could you please introduce this option? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Oct 31 14:08:03 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:08:03 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3318] Updating of Claws Mail via Synaptic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3318 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #1 from Paul --- No, wrong place. Use the users' mailing list or IRC for such questions. http://www.claws-mail.org/MLs.php In short, synaptic can be used in any debian-based distros. Please continue this via the routes indicated above. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Oct 31 14:08:49 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:08:49 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3319] Display of dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3319 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #1 from Paul --- See /Configuration/Preferences/Summaries --> 'date format' -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From h.m.brand at xs4all.nl Fri Oct 31 14:38:09 2014 From: h.m.brand at xs4all.nl (H.Merijn Brand) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 14:38:09 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3319] New: Display of dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20141031143809.559dfc56@pc09.procura.nl> On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:04:22 +0000, noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3319 > > Bug ID: 3319 > Summary: Display of dates > Classification: Unclassified > Product: Claws Mail > Version: 3.9.3 > Hardware: PC > OS: Linux > Status: NEW > Severity: normal > Priority: P3 > Component: Other > Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org > Reporter: Wathonian at gmail.com > > I can find no way of altering the dates settings so that instead of displaying > them in US format (MM/DD/YY) they are shown in the European format (DD/MM/YY). DD/MM/YY is not "generic" European. Please be more specific if you file bugs. In the Netherlands, we use a dash: DD-MM-YYYY I agree however that whatever form of M/D/Y should be worldwide abandoned :) > Could you please introduce this option? No need, it is already there See /Configuration/Preferences/Display/Summaries/Date format. I have [ %H:%M:%S %a %d-%m-%Y ] -- H.Merijn Brand http://tux.nl Perl Monger http://amsterdam.pm.org/ using perl5.00307 .. 5.21 porting perl5 on HP-UX, AIX, and openSUSE http://mirrors.develooper.com/hpux/ http://www.test-smoke.org/ http://qa.perl.org http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Oct 31 14:52:45 2014 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:52:45 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 3319] Display of dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3319 --- Comment #2 from Wathonian at gmail.com --- Thank you! That looks very useful. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.