From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Oct  1 10:29:15 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 08:29:15 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2341] Reply Quotation must have a character,
 space or otherwise.
In-Reply-To: <bug-2341-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2341-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2341-595-dRDK8jP5fg@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2341

--- Comment #3 from ml at akabos.com ---
When quote character is set to '> ' resulting second-level quotation looks like
this:

 '> > quoted text'

While I'd like it look like that:

 '>> quoted text'

As I was advised on IRC, there's no easy way to achieve what I want. I belive
it's pretty natural way of quoting. At list it is the default way in many other
mail agents.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Oct  1 11:24:42 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 09:24:42 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2341] Reply Quotation must have a character,
 space or otherwise.
In-Reply-To: <bug-2341-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2341-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2341-595-1BGnx2lx5i@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2341

--- Comment #4 from Marcel van der Boom <marcel at hsdev.com> ---
I have resolved this issue (at least the one mentioned in the last comments,
not sure what the first comments are about) by applying this patch:

https://gist.github.com/6775872

and setting my quote character to '>' 

I have suggested this patch in the past and put up a message to the dev list if
I recall correctly for merging this in, but there was no interest in it
apparently.

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From ricardo at mones.org  Tue Oct  1 12:49:38 2013
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 12:49:38 +0200
Subject: [Users] execute?
In-Reply-To: <20130930140833.00003b13@unknown>
References: <20130930140833.00003b13@unknown>
Message-ID: <20131001104921.GE27755@trasgu>

  Hi Bruce,

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 02:08:33PM -0400, Bruce Bowler wrote:
> My latest 'issue' (remember, I'm trying to switch from sylpheed)
> 
> Execute doesn't seem to work...  I have unchecked 'execute immediately'
> option.  I then delete a message, which places a 'red x' in the status
> column.  At that point, I hit the execute button and expect that
> pending actions would be executed (at least that's the way sylpheed
> works), but nothing happens.  
> 
> Are my expectations wrong?  Is there a different option that I need to
> check/un-check?  Something else?

  It's expected to work the same way you described, so launch it in
a terminal with --debug option and see if something relevant is printed
when you execute your pending actions.

  regards,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  Quantity derives from measurement, figures from quantities, 
  comparisons from figures, and victories from comparisons. 
                                                              Sun Tzu

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Oct  1 13:14:15 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 12:14:15 +0100
Subject: [Users] execute?
In-Reply-To: <20130930140833.00003b13@unknown>
References: <20130930140833.00003b13@unknown>
Message-ID: <20131001121415.5ab3e99b@thewildbeast>

On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:08:33 -0400
Bruce Bowler <bruce.bowler at gmail.com> wrote: 

>  Are my expectations wrong?  Is there a different option that I
> need to check/un-check?  Something else?

Is this an IMAP account? If it is, you probably have the account
option 'Move deleted mails to trash and expunge immediately' turned
off.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From bruce.bowler at gmail.com  Tue Oct  1 14:54:50 2013
From: bruce.bowler at gmail.com (Bruce Bowler)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 08:54:50 -0400
Subject: [Users] execute?
In-Reply-To: <20131001104921.GE27755@trasgu>
References: <20130930140833.00003b13@unknown> <20131001104921.GE27755@trasgu>
Message-ID: <20131001085450.00005c07@unknown>

On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 12:49:38 +0200
Ricardo Mones <ricardo at mones.org> wrote:

>   Hi Bruce,
> 
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 02:08:33PM -0400, Bruce Bowler wrote:
> > My latest 'issue' (remember, I'm trying to switch from sylpheed)
> > 
> > Execute doesn't seem to work...  I have unchecked 'execute
> > immediately' option.  I then delete a message, which places a 'red
> > x' in the status column.  At that point, I hit the execute button
> > and expect that pending actions would be executed (at least that's
> > the way sylpheed works), but nothing happens.  
> > 
> > Are my expectations wrong?  Is there a different option that I need
> > to check/un-check?  Something else?
> 
>   It's expected to work the same way you described, so launch it in
> a terminal with --debug option and see if something relevant is
> printed when you execute your pending actions.
> 
>   regards,

I'm on windows 7.  I opened a DOS window, ran claws with --debug,
recreated the problem and there were no additional messages printed.

I took a look at claws.log and there's nothing obvious there either.

Another observation, perhaps a clue, perhaps just plain strange...  If
I mark the messages for delete, hit execute, then 'view >> update
summary', all of the delete marks are gone.  

None of the above observations happen with the same accounts if I use
sylpheed instead of claws, which leads me to believe that it's a claws
problem rather than an issue with the gmail imap server.

Bruce


From ricardo at mones.org  Tue Oct  1 16:27:32 2013
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 16:27:32 +0200
Subject: [Users] execute?
In-Reply-To: <20131001085450.00005c07@unknown>
References: <20130930140833.00003b13@unknown> <20131001104921.GE27755@trasgu>
	<20131001085450.00005c07@unknown>
Message-ID: <20131001142732.GF27755@trasgu>

On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 08:54:50AM -0400, Bruce Bowler wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 12:49:38 +0200
> Ricardo Mones <ricardo at mones.org> wrote:
> 
> >   Hi Bruce,
> > 
> > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 02:08:33PM -0400, Bruce Bowler wrote:
> > > My latest 'issue' (remember, I'm trying to switch from sylpheed)
> > > 
> > > Execute doesn't seem to work...  I have unchecked 'execute
> > > immediately' option.  I then delete a message, which places a 'red
> > > x' in the status column.  At that point, I hit the execute button
> > > and expect that pending actions would be executed (at least that's
> > > the way sylpheed works), but nothing happens.  
> > > 
> > > Are my expectations wrong?  Is there a different option that I need
> > > to check/un-check?  Something else?
> > 
> >   It's expected to work the same way you described, so launch it in
> > a terminal with --debug option and see if something relevant is
> > printed when you execute your pending actions.
> > 
> >   regards,
> 
> I'm on windows 7.  I opened a DOS window, ran claws with --debug,
> recreated the problem and there were no additional messages printed.
> 
> I took a look at claws.log and there's nothing obvious there either.

  On windows --debug output goes to claws-win32.log on your temporary
directory (as returned by the g_get_tmp_dir¹ function).

  regards,

¹https://developer.gnome.org/glib/2.30/glib-Miscellaneous-Utility-Functions.html#g-get-tmp-dir
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but 
  that's not why we do it.                            Richard Feynman

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From haines at histomat.net  Tue Oct  1 17:02:59 2013
From: haines at histomat.net (Haines Brown)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 11:02:59 -0400
Subject: [Users] Display of mail attachment in running browser
Message-ID: <20131001150259.GI17470@histomat.net>

My wife runs claws mail on debian. When she opens a message with an
attachment, a URL is displayed. When she clicks on the URL to view the
attachment, an error message pops up that Firefox is already running and
must be closed. However, she runs virtual desktops in which claws mail and
firefox are always running. 

Is there any way to have claws send the URL to a running instance of
Firefox rather than having to stop the Firefox application and starting it
afresh for each HTML mail attachment?

Haines Brown



From ricardo at mones.org  Tue Oct  1 18:06:33 2013
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 18:06:33 +0200
Subject: [Users] Display of mail attachment in running browser
In-Reply-To: <20131001150259.GI17470@histomat.net>
References: <20131001150259.GI17470@histomat.net>
Message-ID: <20131001160633.GG27755@trasgu>

On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 11:02:59AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
> My wife runs claws mail on debian. When she opens a message with an
> attachment, a URL is displayed. When she clicks on the URL to view the
> attachment, an error message pops up that Firefox is already running and
> must be closed. However, she runs virtual desktops in which claws mail and
> firefox are always running. 
> 
> Is there any way to have claws send the URL to a running instance of
> Firefox rather than having to stop the Firefox application and starting it
> afresh for each HTML mail attachment?

  Umm, “firefox '%s'” works for me (Debian sid/wheezy/squeeze).
  What does she have in Configuration/Prerences/External Programs/Web browser ?

  regards,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but 
  that's not why we do it.                            Richard Feynman

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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Tue Oct  1 17:32:55 2013
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 16:32:55 +0100
Subject: [Users] Display of mail attachment in running browser
In-Reply-To: <20131001150259.GI17470@histomat.net>
References: <20131001150259.GI17470@histomat.net>
Message-ID: <20131001163255.13faf20a@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 11:02:59 -0400
Haines Brown <haines at histomat.net> wrote:

Hello Haines,

>Is there any way to have claws send the URL to a running instance of
>Firefox rather than having to stop the Firefox application and starting
>it afresh for each HTML mail attachment?

I use CM in Debian testing (currently Jessie) without suffering this
issue.  I have the External Programs section of preferences set to "Use
system defaults whenever possible".  If that's not working try this for
web browser;

iceweasel -remote 'openURL(%s,new-tab)'

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        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct  2 10:06:50 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 08:06:50 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2341] Reply Quotation must have a character,
 space or otherwise.
In-Reply-To: <bug-2341-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2341-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2341-595-ZRi36DFdwH@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2341

--- Comment #5 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
(In reply to comment #4)
> I have resolved this issue (at least the one mentioned in the last comments,
> not sure what the first comments are about) by applying this patch:
> 
> https://gist.github.com/6775872
> 
> and setting my quote character to '>' 
> 
> I have suggested this patch in the past and put up a message to the dev list
> if I recall correctly for merging this in, but there was no interest in it
> apparently.

Hi Marcel,

Your patch works well if we start and stick with '>', but it doesn't work quite
so well for all those users who are using with '> '. In the case of '> ', which
will be almost everyone, it adds an extra space to each quoted line, '>  ',
unless the quoted line is wrapped, and then the wrapped part gets just one
space, '> '. So, in my opinion, it needs a little more work on dealing better
with the space(s) between quote marker and quoted text.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct  2 10:08:53 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 08:08:53 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2991] POP3 problems: POP3 sessions duplicated,
 and filtering issues
In-Reply-To: <bug-2991-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2991-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2991-595-4hFqBEXcFO@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2991

--- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
I'm still not able to reproduce the problem you describe.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct  2 10:40:13 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 08:40:13 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2341] Reply Quotation must have a character,
 space or otherwise.
In-Reply-To: <bug-2341-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2341-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2341-595-XcnPUIFedK@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2341

--- Comment #6 from Marcel van der Boom <marcel at hsdev.com> ---
Agreed, it can be a lot smarter.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct  2 11:22:47 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 09:22:47 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3008] New: enable selecting multiple newsgroups
Message-ID: <bug-3008-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3008

            Bug ID: 3008
           Summary: enable selecting multiple newsgroups
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.9.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Folder List
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: dnc at hipplanet.com

It would be good to be able to select multiple newsgroup folders (like most
GUI-based newsreaders can), such as to mark several/all as read (if one has
many newsgroups and maybe only actually reads some sometimes), etc.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct  2 13:25:16 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:25:16 -0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2940] Extended search dialog too small for content in
 polish l10n
In-Reply-To: <bug-2940-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2940-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2940-595-H8wsxv3GVP@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2940

--- Comment #3 from users at lists.claws-mail.org ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://git.claws-mail.org/

http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=1dff5a4a5633e7718d2d3b193ad2154c06e7039f
Merge: dc043d0 65c117e
Author: Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net>
Date:   Wed Oct 2 13:25:06 2013 +0200

    Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws

http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=65c117ed6fabe00737c01801b5eda6a04e9d1597
Author: Paul <paul at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Wed Oct 2 12:24:52 2013 +0100

    fix bug 2940, 'Extended search dialog too small for content in polish l10n'

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct  2 15:06:29 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 13:06:29 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2991] POP3 problems: POP3 sessions duplicated,
 and filtering issues
In-Reply-To: <bug-2991-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2991-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2991-595-suQJEVU25g@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2991

--- Comment #3 from Paul Rolland <rol at as2917.net> ---
Hi Paul,

Thanks for the feedback. 
I'm going to try to setup a configuration/test case that will allow to
reproduce that easily. I think that inserting some delays in the POP server is
likely to help creating the problem.

Please allow me a few days to setup that config, and I'll send you all the
details.

Paul

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From kardan at riseup.net  Wed Oct  2 23:51:14 2013
From: kardan at riseup.net (kardan)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 23:51:14 +0200
Subject: [Users] howto ALWAYS encrypt if key present ?
In-Reply-To: <20130912082156.2b419da5@liberty>
References: <20130912082156.2b419da5@liberty>
Message-ID: <20131002235114.4437733b@delight>

On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 08:21:56 +0200
Olivier de Mirleau <mirleau at bluewin.ch> wrote:

> Hi list!
> 
> Is there by any chance a way to instruct claws to always encrypt
> outgoing mail if you have a key configured for the target address?
Does Configuration -> Current account -> Privacy -> Always
encrypt help?

-- 
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Please encrypt emails to me. http://gnupg.org/documentation
Public GPG key 9D6108AE58C06558 at hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net
fingerprint: F72F C4D9 6A52 16A1 E7C9  AE94 9D61 08AE 58C0 6558

Why?
* EU data retention since 2006 http://tinyurl.com/eu-data-retention
* NSA/GCHQ spying cables http://tinyurl.com/nsa-timeline
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From kardan at riseup.net  Wed Oct  2 23:57:17 2013
From: kardan at riseup.net (kardan)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 23:57:17 +0200
Subject: [Users] help keys not found
In-Reply-To: <20130914131455.989698557B@mx.colino.net>
References: <20130914131455.989698557B@mx.colino.net>
Message-ID: <20131002235717.4a968286@delight>

Hi,

On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 13:12:06 +0000
<info at computerhuys.nl> wrote:

>  
> I'm new to claws-mail and to sending secure mail and want to use it
> to send secure mail.
> 
> 
> I want to send a mail using PGP/MIME encryption. PGP/MIME add-on is
> installed and selected in default privacy settings.
> 
> 
> When I send an e-mail I'm asked to select a key however no keys are
> found to select from. I used Kleopatra to create a key-pair on this
> computer for a (dummy) test e-mailaccount so I expected to be able to
> select this key (via this mailadress) since it is available on my
> computer (or at least visible within Kleopatra in the list of
> certificates). Also there is no way to tell where to locate / look
> for a key. 
> 
> 
> How does this work?

I assume gpa is similar to Kleopatra. The key principle of PKI (Public
Key Infrastructure) is to add the recipients key to your local keyring.
Did you do this?
Otherwise you need to
1) search for the key by long ID or email adress with any of the above
2) import the key and verify that it is the right one (ask your
recipient out of band)

For more info please follow the link below.

-- 
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Please encrypt emails to me. http://gnupg.org/documentation
Public GPG key 9D6108AE58C06558 at hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net
fingerprint: F72F C4D9 6A52 16A1 E7C9  AE94 9D61 08AE 58C0 6558

Why?
* EU data retention since 2006 http://tinyurl.com/eu-data-retention
* NSA/GCHQ spying cables http://tinyurl.com/nsa-timeline
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From vitsen at gmx.com  Thu Oct  3 22:03:48 2013
From: vitsen at gmx.com (vitsen at gmx.com)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 22:03:48 +0200
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
Message-ID: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>

Hello,

I have to choose a Linux distro, and need advice from you.
This question may seem out of place on this mailing list, but it isn't.

Since emails would be my main activity on the operating system, I want to make sure that Claws Mail will work in the best possible way on the platform that I choose.

I am a bit worried, as I have read on some posts that there are significant bugs in Debian (if I remember correctly). So, does this mean that such bugs are also present on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian? Should I avoid all Debian/Ubuntu-based distros?

Since my operating system should be able to run on a low-powered netbook, I was thinking of something like Lubuntu (which is also based on Ubuntu).
What do you suggest?

Please, suggest some solutions where using Claws Mail will give me the least possible trouble.

Thank you

Vit
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From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Thu Oct  3 22:18:02 2013
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud OLGIATI (Ron))
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 16:18:02 -0400
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <20131003161802.3e030275@ron.cerrocora.org>

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 22:03:48 +0200
vitsen at gmx.com wrote:

> Since emails would be my main activity on the operating system, I want to make sure that Claws Mail will work in the best possible way on the platform that I choose.
> I am a bit worried, as I have read on some posts that there are significant bugs in Debian (if I remember correctly). So, does this mean that such bugs are also present on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian? Should I avoid all Debian/Ubuntu-based distros?
> Since my operating system should be able to run on a low-powered netbook, I was thinking of something like Lubuntu (which is also based on Ubuntu).
> What do you suggest?

I have been using SolydX for several months now, and run Claws-Mail and Firefox without any trouble.

It is a trimmed-down derivative of Debian with the XFCE light-weight window manager, 32 and 64 bits versions available, needs relatively little memory and HD space, boots and stops very quickly (compared to the KDE Mageia I ran before) and I am very pleased with it.http://solydxk.com/

http://solydxk.com/
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.

PS Make sure you get SolydX and not SolydK, the latter is the KDE version, and KDE is a memory and ressources hog.
-- 
                            Computers are useless.
                       They can only give you answers.
                                       -- Pablo Picasso
                                    
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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu Oct  3 23:28:30 2013
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 17:28:30 -0400
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <20131003172830.6594f4a2@mydesk>

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 22:03:48 +0200
vitsen at gmx.com wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have to choose a Linux distro, and need advice from you.
> This question may seem out of place on this mailing list, but it
> isn't.

:-)

The answer might well end up being "all of the distros", but every day
I run Claws on Ubuntu, and several times a week I run it on OpenSuSE.
It runs great both places. In both places it's run great using both the
Xfce and Openbox. I might have run it under the (ultra-stable) LXDE
too, I just don't remember.

If I wanted my software to work (which I do), I'd stay well away from
all things KDE, and although I'd be fine with Gnome apps and Gnome
libraries, I wouldn't use Gnome as a Window manager/Desktop
environment. It probably goes without saying, but I wouldn't touch
Unity with a ten foot pole.

Bottom line, you'd be much more likely to succeed with software if you
run a light footprint window manager.

[clip]
> 
> I am a bit worried, as I have read on some posts that there are
> significant bugs in Debian (if I remember correctly). So, does this
> mean that such bugs are also present on Ubuntu, which is based on
> Debian? Should I avoid all Debian/Ubuntu-based distros?

HECK no!!! Claws runs just fine on Ubuntu, and I'd imagine that Debian
has less bugs than Ubuntu because it's more conservative.

> 
> Since my operating system should be able to run on a low-powered
> netbook, I was thinking of something like Lubuntu (which is also
> based on Ubuntu). What do you suggest?

Here we do start getting into stuff that's offtopic on this list. Why
don't you get on the GoLUG.org mailing list, ask that question, and
get a lot of interesting (and often conflicting) answers.

> 
> Please, suggest some solutions where using Claws Mail will give me
> the least possible trouble.

The most trouble I anticipate you getting from Claws is the dreaded
"buried dialog box looks like Claws is hung" problem. Claws seldom
hangs for real, but because it neither multithreads nor spawns new
processes to do things, occasionally a dialog box requiring your input
gets buried behind some other Claws or nonClaws windows, and it *looks
like* claws got hung. Just keep a cool head, use lots of Alt+Tab to
look at every window on the screen, and find where it's looking for
input.

As far as distros, my bet is that Claws would perform about as well on
any distro as other things tend to perform on it, and that you'd get
very few Claws problems resulting from the distro you chose.

HTH,

SteveT

Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


From clifflaine at europe.com  Thu Oct  3 23:31:26 2013
From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 22:31:26 +0100
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131003161802.3e030275@ron.cerrocora.org>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>
	<20131003161802.3e030275@ron.cerrocora.org>
Message-ID: <20131003223126.05f23659@cliff-MXC061>

A possible trivial point: Linux Mint 14 Nadia will wind you up with
dependency problems if you try to use the Fancy html plugin. 

Mepis 8.5 worked perfectly with Claws with PGP, Bogofilter, and Fancy
except its network manager is a PITA. 

Disclaimer: I am a very technically uninformed member of this group and
you should treat what I say as anecdote only.

Cliff


From dan_arico at aricosystems.com  Thu Oct  3 23:36:24 2013
From: dan_arico at aricosystems.com (Dan Arico)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 17:36:24 -0400
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <20131003173624.798cd7e4.dan_arico@aricosystems.com>

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 22:03:48 +0200
vitsen at gmx.com wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have to choose a Linux distro, and need advice from you.
> This question may seem out of place on this mailing list, but it
> isn't.
> 
> Since emails would be my main activity on the operating system, I
> want to make sure that Claws Mail will work in the best possible way
> on the platform that I choose.

I've used Claws on Suse and Kubuntu with no problems.

Dan Arico

-- 
One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them,
One OS to bring them all, and in the Darkness bind them,
In the land of Redmond, where the Sales Reps lie.


From mir at miras.org  Thu Oct  3 23:54:36 2013
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 23:54:36 +0200
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131003172830.6594f4a2@mydesk>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>
	<20131003172830.6594f4a2@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20131003235436.4f69cbf1@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 17:28:30 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> 
> If I wanted my software to work (which I do), I'd stay well away from
> all things KDE, and although I'd be fine with Gnome apps and Gnome
> libraries, I wouldn't use Gnome as a Window manager/Desktop
> environment. It probably goes without saying, but I wouldn't touch
> Unity with a ten foot pole.
> 
For a Gnome 2 experience I can recommend Mate as desktop. So if you
just want something that works with little or no fiddling go for Linux
Mint 13 (based on Ubuntu 12.04 which means long time support) with Mate
desktop. My every day desktop at home runs Debian Sid with Mate desktop
1.6. Since Mate desktop is a Gnome 2 fork everything works in Claws
since GTK 2 is Claws' backyard.

-- 
Hilsen/Regards
Michael Rasmussen

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From andrej at kacian.sk  Fri Oct  4 00:35:51 2013
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 00:35:51 +0200
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131003172830.6594f4a2@mydesk>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>
	<20131003172830.6594f4a2@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20131004003551.2c9d7a26@penny>

On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 17:28:30 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> If I wanted my software to work (which I do), I'd stay well away from
> all things KDE

A happy KDE user here, Claws Mail works like a charm. It doesn't really care
what desktop environment you run it in. :)

-- 
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian dot sk>


From jdalinux at yahoo.com.br  Fri Oct  4 01:26:52 2013
From: jdalinux at yahoo.com.br (J.D. Ackle)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 00:26:52 +0100
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <20131004002652.5f454eb8@jdackle>

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 22:03:48 +0200
vitsen at gmx.com wrote:

> I am a bit worried, as I have read on some posts that there are significant bugs in Debian (if I remember correctly). So, does this mean that such bugs are also present on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian? Should I avoid all Debian/Ubuntu-based distros?

As nobody else actually adressed this, I will have to frankly say that there is a lot of bugs in Debian is a really odd one! Then again, it would depend on which specific Debian flavour you are running. Here are the three Debian flavours you can run:

Debian Stable: You can safelly say Debian stable has less bugs in it than about 99% (or more!) of the other distros in the planet. It is actually a sort of common knowledge that Debian Stable is THE most stable GNU/Linux distribution out there.
It is also often considered outdated - that's because very thorough testing is required on the software included in Debian Testing, and that takes time... So you'll likely not have "the latest and greatest" in Stable.
If I'm not mistaken, CentOS (an enterprise Linux distro) is based on this Debian release.

Debian Testing: This is the release that will become the next Debian Stable. It takes two years for a Testing release to become the next Stable (hence the Stable/Testing cycle is six months longer than Ubuntu's LTS (Long Term Support) releases, the most stable Ubuntu releases). There is also a several months "freeze" (I don't remember how many) at the end of a Testing release where no software is added nor upgraded - it's only for bugfixing - the result will be a really stable, as bug-free as possible upcoming Stable release.
Again, if not mistaken, this is the release Ubuntu and its derivatives is based on.

Debian Unstable (aka Debian Sid): Now running this one is asking for trouble... Several people run this to have "the latest and greatest" not really understanding it's purpose is not at all to offer the latest and greatest, it's rather basically meant as a playground for developpers to sort of streess-test their applications against present and future possible conflicts and whatnot.

Do note that Debian itself states (paraphrase from memory): "You should understand that Debian's objective is to produce Stable". Testing and Unstable are mere means to achieve that objective.

So... what Debian release/flavour were the people who said Debian had many bugs talking about?...

> Since my operating system should be able to run on a low-powered netbook, I was thinking of something like Lubuntu (which is also based on Ubuntu).
> What do you suggest?
Like others have said, it should work flawlessly on most if not all Linux distributions with a graphical environment (there are Linux distros with no graphical environments but I don't think you're considering those ones...).

But you might care about how often the Claws-Mail package is updated in that distribution.
Ubuntu LTS (dating back from 2012) uses Claws 0.8. But yuo can go to Claws Mail's site to get the repository to get updates for Ubuntu LTS directly from teh Claws Mail. The latest in is for LTS is 0.9.1.
The old Debian Stable also used the 0.8 version of Claws. But I got the 0.9.2 from Debian Stable *Backports*. This one came from the then Testing release which is the current Stable, so... ;-)

Cheers!


From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Fri Oct  4 01:50:53 2013
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud OLGIATI (Ron))
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 19:50:53 -0400
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131004002652.5f454eb8@jdackle>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com> <20131004002652.5f454eb8@jdackle>
Message-ID: <20131003195053.52f8bfae@ron.cerrocora.org>

On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 00:26:52 +0100
"J.D. Ackle" <jdalinux at yahoo.com.br> wrote:

> But you might care about how often the Claws-Mail package is updated in that distribution.
> Ubuntu LTS (dating back from 2012) uses Claws 0.8. But yuo can go to Claws Mail's site to get the repository to get updates for Ubuntu LTS directly from teh Claws Mail. The latest in is for LTS is 0.9.1.
> The old Debian Stable also used the 0.8 version of Claws. But I got the 0.9.2 from Debian Stable *Backports*. This one came from the then Testing release which is the current Stable, so... ;-)

I am running ClawsMail 3.9.2 under SolydX.....
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
                        One should always be in love.
                  That is the reason one should never marry.
                                              -- Oscar Wilde
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 



From mir at miras.org  Fri Oct  4 02:16:38 2013
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 02:16:38 +0200
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131004002652.5f454eb8@jdackle>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com> <20131004002652.5f454eb8@jdackle>
Message-ID: <20131004021638.5fccca15@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 00:26:52 +0100
"J.D. Ackle" <jdalinux at yahoo.com.br> wrote:

> If I'm not mistaken, CentOS (an enterprise Linux distro) is based on this Debian release.
> 
CentOS is based on Redhat.

> Again, if not mistaken, this is the release Ubuntu and its derivatives is based on.
> 
Ubuntu as of today seems to be more and more based on Debian
Experimental. Until and including 10.04 it was based on Debian Testing
added some packages from Unstable but from 10.10 onwards a gradual
shift towards more and more from Experimental has been the policy.

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From ml at terranean.eu  Fri Oct  4 03:56:49 2013
From: ml at terranean.eu (=?UTF-8?B?U8OpYmFzdGllbg==?=)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 03:56:49 +0200
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <20131004035649.3be8ebf5@sentinel>

Le 2013-10-03 à 22:03, vitsen at gmx.com a écrit:
> I am a bit worried, as I have read on some posts that there are
> significant bugs in Debian (if I remember correctly). So, does this
> mean that such bugs are also present on Ubuntu, which is based on
> Debian? Should I avoid all Debian/Ubuntu-based distros?

I guess this depends on what type of "bugs" you have heard of, if
they're missing dependencies, conflicting libraries, etc. or bugs
within Claws Mail's source code. For the latter, I fear that you will
only have to wait for bugfixes in the next releases, using another
distribution won't automagically fix those - however, one distribution
or its repositories might keep their packages more up to date than
another.

I've been running Claws (formerly Sylpheed Claws) since I started using
linux a decade ago, first on Slackware and then mostly on Debian
(sid) and Debian based distrubtions (Xubuntu, Ubuntu, Crunchbang). I
haven't noticed a single problem with what I use (several mailboxes,
subfolders, filtering).

I'd recommend Crunchbang linux as its default "destkop environment" is
Openbox and might run well on netbooks (but you're of course free to
use any other distro and install Openbox from there). 


-- 
Sébastien


From h.m.brand at xs4all.nl  Fri Oct  4 08:13:08 2013
From: h.m.brand at xs4all.nl (H.Merijn Brand)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 08:13:08 +0200
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131004003551.2c9d7a26@penny>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com> <20131003172830.6594f4a2@mydesk>
	<20131004003551.2c9d7a26@penny>
Message-ID: <20131004081308.7dbc1ef0@pc09.procura.nl>

On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 00:35:51 +0200, Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk>
wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 17:28:30 -0400
> Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> 
> > If I wanted my software to work (which I do), I'd stay well away from
> > all things KDE
> 
> A happy KDE user here, Claws Mail works like a charm. It doesn't really
> care what desktop environment you run it in. :)

Happy KDE user here too. This ML (nor the OP question) is about desktop
environment. The KDE users will probably say to stay well away from
Gnome or LXDE. The desktop seldom is a hindrance for the fine mail
client claws mail. It will work as well on any window manager as long
as the underlying OS supports the needs of CM.

> > Bottom line, you'd be much more likely to succeed with software if you
> > run a light footprint window manager.

I do not agree: when you install a "heavy" window manager, like KDE or
Gnome, it is likely that *all* dependencies needed for building
Claws-Mail are already installed.

tl;dr;

That said, I just upgraded an OpenSUSE 11.4 (was evergreen) to 12.3,
because the OS projects more and more require recent(ish) versions of
libraries that make up their GUI. With what 11.4 had available, hexchat
and Claws (my main communication tools for IRC and mail) would not
build anymore. If you choose a "stable" version of an OS, there is a
chance that the recent versions of depending libraries will not be
available for the new build of any tool in the future, and you want the
new version of that tool because it fixed one of your most annoying
bugs. I upped to OpenSUSE 12.3 with the intent to upgrade to OpenSUSE
13.1 in November, as that version is the next evergreen (with longer
support). My development box will keep upgrading to newer releases, and
history has proven that the libraries from the newer releases
/sometimes/ are enough to make new issues solved. When you install
those in a separated environment, it is possible to run most recent
tools on older OS.

I have been forced to use Ubuntu in the past month. I have no idea how
well the desktop works, because I had to deal with the system over ssh
to install system software. In times like those, you *really* learn to
appreciate OpenSUSE's "zypper" tool. All instruction on the internet
for adding printers, installing dependencies and other system-related
stuff start with something like "Click here". Extremely useless info if
you do not have the desktop available. With SUSE's zypper (a tool
that includes all functionality of rpm, apt-get, dpkg, ipkg) and yast2
(GUI, fine to use with X11 forwarding) those problems do not exist.

-- 
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using perl5.00307 .. 5.19   porting perl5 on HP-UX, AIX, and openSUSE
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From subscriber at blackbrook.org  Fri Oct  4 08:15:13 2013
From: subscriber at blackbrook.org (Eric Schwarzenbach)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 02:15:13 -0400
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131004021638.5fccca15@sleipner.datanom.net>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com> <20131004002652.5f454eb8@jdackle>
	<20131004021638.5fccca15@sleipner.datanom.net>
Message-ID: <524E5CF1.4080004@blackbrook.org>

On 10/3/2013 8:16 PM, Michael Rasmussen wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 00:26:52 +0100
> "J.D. Ackle" <jdalinux at yahoo.com.br> wrote:
>
>> If I'm not mistaken, CentOS (an enterprise Linux distro) is based on this Debian release.
>>
> CentOS is based on Redhat.
>
>> Again, if not mistaken, this is the release Ubuntu and its derivatives is based on.
>>
> Ubuntu as of today seems to be more and more based on Debian
> Experimental. Until and including 10.04 it was based on Debian Testing
> added some packages from Unstable but from 10.10 onwards a gradual
> shift towards more and more from Experimental has been the policy.
Are you speaking about non-LTS versions? According to 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS "Instead of doing an automatic full package 
import from Debian unstable, we will do it from Debian *testing^1 *." 
The footnote says "*1.* We reserve the right to /selectively/ pull in 
updates from unstable, if we believe the stability of the package in 
Debian is better than what is in the current Ubuntu archive."

I've had 0 problems with 12.04 LTS, having used for about a year for 
several servers, doing frequent apt-get updates. But this has been 
server use, not desktop (and I haven't used Claws on it).
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From frankly3d at gmail.com  Fri Oct  4 08:21:49 2013
From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 07:21:49 +0100
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <524e5e7e.33c6b40a.6f53.2952@mx.google.com>

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 22:03:48 +0200
vitsen at gmx.com wrote:

> I am a bit worried, as I have read on some posts that there are
> significant bugs in Debian (if I remember correctly). So, does this
> mean that such bugs are also present on Ubuntu, which is based on
> Debian? Should I avoid all Debian/Ubuntu-based distros?

All software has bugs, it's writing.


> 
> Since my operating system should be able to run on a low-powered
> netbook, I was thinking of something like Lubuntu (which is also
> based on Ubuntu). What do you suggest?

I suggest, you try some out,  download some liveCD variants.
Fedora Spins (Mate-Compiz, LXDE, Xfce)
Lubunut, Xbuntu,

Everyone has their own favourite, as it suits their need.

> Please, suggest some solutions where using Claws Mail will give me
> the least possible trouble.
> 

How long is a piece of string.
http://livecdlist.com/

-- 
Regards,
Frank 
www.frankly3d.com



From rol at witbe.net  Fri Oct  4 08:25:56 2013
From: rol at witbe.net (Paul Rolland (=?UTF-8?B?44Od44O844Or44O744Ot44Op44Oz?=))
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 08:25:56 +0200
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131004081308.7dbc1ef0@pc09.procura.nl>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com> <20131003172830.6594f4a2@mydesk>
	<20131004003551.2c9d7a26@penny>
	<20131004081308.7dbc1ef0@pc09.procura.nl>
Message-ID: <20131004082556.059e8655@riri.DEF.witbe.net>

Hello,

On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 08:13:08 +0200
"H.Merijn Brand" <h.m.brand at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 00:35:51 +0200, Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk>
> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 17:28:30 -0400
> > Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > If I wanted my software to work (which I do), I'd stay well away from
> > > all things KDE
> > 
> > A happy KDE user here, Claws Mail works like a charm. It doesn't really
> > care what desktop environment you run it in. :)
> 
> Happy KDE user here too. This ML (nor the OP question) is about desktop

+1 for KDE, on a Fedora 19.

To be fully honest, I must add that I've rebuilt myself Claws instead of
using the package provided by Fedora, but that's because I'm running Claws
with my own set of patches ;)

Best,
Paul
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From h.m.brand at xs4all.nl  Fri Oct  4 08:42:49 2013
From: h.m.brand at xs4all.nl (H.Merijn Brand)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 08:42:49 +0200
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
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	<20131004003551.2c9d7a26@penny>
	<20131004081308.7dbc1ef0@pc09.procura.nl>
	<20131004082556.059e8655@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
Message-ID: <20131004084249.62c74d51@pc09.procura.nl>

On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 08:25:56 +0200, Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン)
<rol at witbe.net> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 08:13:08 +0200
> "H.Merijn Brand" <h.m.brand at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 00:35:51 +0200, Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 17:28:30 -0400
> > > Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > If I wanted my software to work (which I do), I'd stay well away from
> > > > all things KDE
> > > 
> > > A happy KDE user here, Claws Mail works like a charm. It doesn't really
> > > care what desktop environment you run it in. :)
> > 
> > Happy KDE user here too. This ML (nor the OP question) is about desktop
> 
> +1 for KDE, on a Fedora 19.
> 
> To be fully honest, I must add that I've rebuilt myself Claws instead of
> using the package provided by Fedora, but that's because I'm running Claws
> with my own set of patches ;)

Sorry, that should have been mentioned in my post too. I only run CM
from git checkouts (or nightly tgz's in the times it still was cvs).

When you install from packages, there should be no dependency problems
at all (if the packager knows their job). The advantage of building
from source is twofold

• You get the most recent version with all known issues fixed (as much
  as the developers are able and willing to fix: some feature requests
  are quite weird or illogical, and the developers have all right to
  choose what is a bug and what is not. Besides that, it is still
  voluntary time, and you do not pay them to get this awesome mail
  client)

• You have access to the source: if you find a bug, just fix it and
  make the fix available to the team hoping they agree with the fix and
  the fix will be committed for the next cycle: all users benefit :)

The only disadvantage is that you need to have development tools
installed and all related development packages installed. That should
not be a problem for developers, but if the only thing one does on a
box is using a mail client and browsing the web, having all that
installed might be a bit over the edge.

-- 
H.Merijn Brand  http://tux.nl   Perl Monger  http://amsterdam.pm.org/
using perl5.00307 .. 5.19   porting perl5 on HP-UX, AIX, and openSUSE
http://mirrors.develooper.com/hpux/        http://www.test-smoke.org/
http://qa.perl.org   http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/


From p.nikolic1 at btinternet.com  Fri Oct  4 08:53:17 2013
From: p.nikolic1 at btinternet.com (P NIKOLIC)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 07:53:17 +0100
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131003172830.6594f4a2@mydesk>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>
	<20131003172830.6594f4a2@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20131004075317.7ceae86b.p.nikolic1@btinternet.com>

On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 17:28:30 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 22:03:48 +0200
> vitsen at gmx.com wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I have to choose a Linux distro, and need advice from you.
> > This question may seem out of place on this mailing list, but it
> > isn't.
> 
> :-)
> 
> The answer might well end up being "all of the distros", but every day
> I run Claws on Ubuntu, and several times a week I run it on OpenSuSE.
> It runs great both places. In both places it's run great using both the
> Xfce and Openbox. I might have run it under the (ultra-stable) LXDE
> too, I just don't remember.
> 
> If I wanted my software to work (which I do), I'd stay well away from
> all things KDE, and although I'd be fine with Gnome apps and Gnome
> libraries, I wouldn't use Gnome as a Window manager/Desktop
> environment. It probably goes without saying, but I wouldn't touch
> Unity with a ten foot pole.
> 
> Bottom line, you'd be much more likely to succeed with software if you
> run a light footprint window manager.
> 
> [clip]
> > 
> > I am a bit worried, as I have read on some posts that there are
> > significant bugs in Debian (if I remember correctly). So, does this
> > mean that such bugs are also present on Ubuntu, which is based on
> > Debian? Should I avoid all Debian/Ubuntu-based distros?
> 
> HECK no!!! Claws runs just fine on Ubuntu, and I'd imagine that Debian
> has less bugs than Ubuntu because it's more conservative.
> 
> > 
> > Since my operating system should be able to run on a low-powered
> > netbook, I was thinking of something like Lubuntu (which is also
> > based on Ubuntu). What do you suggest?
> 
> Here we do start getting into stuff that's offtopic on this list. Why
> don't you get on the GoLUG.org mailing list, ask that question, and
> get a lot of interesting (and often conflicting) answers.
> 
> > 
> > Please, suggest some solutions where using Claws Mail will give me
> > the least possible trouble.
> 
> The most trouble I anticipate you getting from Claws is the dreaded
> "buried dialog box looks like Claws is hung" problem. Claws seldom
> hangs for real, but because it neither multithreads nor spawns new
> processes to do things, occasionally a dialog box requiring your input
> gets buried behind some other Claws or nonClaws windows, and it *looks
> like* claws got hung. Just keep a cool head, use lots of Alt+Tab to
> look at every window on the screen, and find where it's looking for
> input.
> 
> As far as distros, my bet is that Claws would perform about as well on
> any distro as other things tend to perform on it, and that you'd get
> very few Claws problems resulting from the distro you chose.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> SteveT
> 
> Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
> Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users


Arch Linux here   WITH KDE   all my software works fine including Claws-mail .

It also worked fine on OpenSuse previously with KDE ..

Pete .

-- 
Linux 7-of-9 3.11.2-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Sep 27 07:35:36 CEST 2013 x86_64
GNU/Linux


From ricardo at mones.org  Fri Oct  4 10:29:05 2013
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 10:29:05 +0200
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131004084249.62c74d51@pc09.procura.nl>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com> <20131003172830.6594f4a2@mydesk>
	<20131004003551.2c9d7a26@penny>
	<20131004081308.7dbc1ef0@pc09.procura.nl>
	<20131004082556.059e8655@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
	<20131004084249.62c74d51@pc09.procura.nl>
Message-ID: <20131004082905.GC31296@trasgu>

On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 08:42:49AM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote:
[...]
> 
> Sorry, that should have been mentioned in my post too. I only run CM
> from git checkouts (or nightly tgz's in the times it still was cvs).
[...]
> The only disadvantage is that you need to have development tools
> installed and all related development packages installed. That should
> not be a problem for developers, but if the only thing one does on a
> box is using a mail client and browsing the web, having all that
> installed might be a bit over the edge.

  If you run Debian sid and a common desktop/laptop architecture you can
have latest git carefully packaged without the need of having to install
development tools: http://hydra.debian.net

  regards,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  You have the capacity to learn from mistakes. You'll learn a lot 
  today.                                           /usr/games/fortune

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From ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Oct  4 12:07:57 2013
From: ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk (Kevin Chadwick)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 11:07:57 +0100
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131004075317.7ceae86b.p.nikolic1@btinternet.com>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com> <20131003172830.6594f4a2@mydesk>
	<20131004075317.7ceae86b.p.nikolic1@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <18812.61502.bm@smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>

> Arch Linux here   WITH KDE   all my software works fine including Claws-mail .

The main choice is whether you want stable or secure packages or not
which are often seen as the same thing but that is far too simplistic a
view. Quite often this means stable are less secure but a debian stable
may be more secure than a ubuntu package which isn't quite upto date
aside from things like firefox where they focus resources. The latest
packages may get security fixes much quicker but may also have unknown
security bugs and possibly gnutls problems that will be fixed quickly
before they hit debian or Ubuntu repos.

Not Linux but if you are willing to learn how to keep upto date
with current via snapshots (dead quick once you know how) or building
then it's hard to argue against OpenBSD which uses the latest code
judged stable often by savvy developers/porters. Far more secure kernel
even if you patch Linux with grsecurity and though they could
occasionally do with a little more developer resources their judgement
on packages and code is far better than Arch which bundled udisks2
earlier than they should have done and so losing features that were in
udisks (as confirmed by the udisks dev).

It's not linux though so if you want automounting you would have to
setup hotplugd.

If you want Linux I would consider Xubuntu (and remove zeitgeist and
some other crud) as it may well be possible to have claws on your phone
(ubuntu mobile) next year too.

p.s. I hope your GUI programs for updating aren't running as root,
that's Windows level of dangerous, but if your happy with that risk
then cool. Many GUIs like synaptic don't drop priviledges and the polkit
model is in some cases a con and in others completely flawed.

Truecrypt and ssh itself are decent examples of doing it right where
ssh runs as little as possible as root and drops priviledges
specifically and automatically within it's code and truecrypt has a
core-service which will use sudo automatically (if enabled in sudoers).

Unfortunately you can't do much about the last part without using the
commandline except hope gui devs become more caring and competent.

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________

'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work
together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a
universal interface'

(Doug McIlroy)

In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd
_______________________________________________________________________


From alois.mahdal.1-ndmail at zxcvb.cz  Fri Oct  4 15:09:05 2013
From: alois.mahdal.1-ndmail at zxcvb.cz (Alois Mahdal)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 15:09:05 +0200
Subject: [Users] Mute "connection failed" error
Message-ID: <4623cc80b1defc1bf9277efd54ed82b7@zxcvb.cz>

Hi,

I'm using Claws Mail (3.8.1, Debian Wheezy) to receive e-mail
via localhost DavMail gateway using IMAP.  The client is set
to check for new messages every 5 minutes or so.

When there's downtime in our intra-net, I keep getting annoyed
by the error messages.  Since my work is mostly done with
keyboard, having focus stolen every 5 minutes is not acceptable.

Currently all that I can do is shut down the client, but is
there a better way?

Thanks,
aL.

-- 
Alois Mahdal


From p.nikolic1 at btinternet.com  Fri Oct  4 21:00:22 2013
From: p.nikolic1 at btinternet.com (P NIKOLIC)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 20:00:22 +0100
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <18812.61502.bm@smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com> <20131003172830.6594f4a2@mydesk>
	<20131004075317.7ceae86b.p.nikolic1@btinternet.com>
	<18812.61502.bm@smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20131004200022.3ebcc6f0.p.nikolic1@btinternet.com>

On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 11:07:57 +0100
Kevin Chadwick <ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > Arch Linux here   WITH KDE   all my software works fine including Claws-mail .
> 
> The main choice is whether you want stable or secure packages or not
> which are often seen as the same thing but that is far too simplistic a
> view. Quite often this means stable are less secure but a debian stable
> may be more secure than a ubuntu package which isn't quite upto date
> aside from things like firefox where they focus resources. The latest
> packages may get security fixes much quicker but may also have unknown
> security bugs and possibly gnutls problems that will be fixed quickly
> before they hit debian or Ubuntu repos.
> 
> Not Linux but if you are willing to learn how to keep upto date
> with current via snapshots (dead quick once you know how) or building
> then it's hard to argue against OpenBSD which uses the latest code
> judged stable often by savvy developers/porters. Far more secure kernel
> even if you patch Linux with grsecurity and though they could
> occasionally do with a little more developer resources their judgement
> on packages and code is far better than Arch which bundled udisks2
> earlier than they should have done and so losing features that were in
> udisks (as confirmed by the udisks dev).

Humm OpenBSD  sorry not in the least bit interested.

 

> 
> It's not linux though so if you want automounting you would have to
> setup hotplugd.
> 
> If you want Linux I would consider Xubuntu (and remove zeitgeist and
> some other crud) as it may well be possible to have claws on your phone
> (ubuntu mobile) next year too.
> 
> p.s. I hope your GUI programs for updating aren't running as root,
> that's Windows level of dangerous, but if your happy with that risk
> then cool. Many GUIs like synaptic don't drop priviledges and the polkit
> model is in some cases a con and in others completely flawed.

Well if you are updating the system then that is something that can not be achieved
by a user.


> 
> Truecrypt and ssh itself are decent examples of doing it right where
> ssh runs as little as possible as root and drops priviledges
> specifically and automatically within it's code and truecrypt has a
> core-service which will use sudo automatically (if enabled in sudoers).
> 
> Unfortunately you can't do much about the last part without using the
> commandline except hope gui devs become more caring and competent.
> 



-- 
Linux 7-of-9 3.11.2-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Sep 27 07:35:36 CEST 2013 x86_64
GNU/Linux


From boudiccas at talktalk.net  Sat Oct  5 19:20:38 2013
From: boudiccas at talktalk.net (Sharon Kimble)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 18:20:38 +0100
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131004002652.5f454eb8@jdackle>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com> <20131004002652.5f454eb8@jdackle>
Message-ID: <20131005182038.527c36d0@london>

On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 00:26:52 +0100
"J.D. Ackle" <jdalinux at yahoo.com.br> wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 22:03:48 +0200
> vitsen at gmx.com wrote:
> 
> > I am a bit worried, as I have read on some posts that there are
> > significant bugs in Debian (if I remember correctly). So, does this
> > mean that such bugs are also present on Ubuntu, which is based on
> > Debian? Should I avoid all Debian/Ubuntu-based distros?
> 
> As nobody else actually adressed this, I will have to frankly say
> that there is a lot of bugs in Debian is a really odd one! Then
> again, it would depend on which specific Debian flavour you are
> running. Here are the three Debian flavours you can run:
> 
> Debian Stable: You can safelly say Debian stable has less bugs in it
> than about 99% (or more!) of the other distros in the planet. It is
> actually a sort of common knowledge that Debian Stable is THE most
> stable GNU/Linux distribution out there. It is also often considered
> outdated - that's because very thorough testing is required on the
> software included in Debian Testing, and that takes time... So you'll
> likely not have "the latest and greatest" in Stable. If I'm not
> mistaken, CentOS (an enterprise Linux distro) is based on this Debian
> release.

Sorry, but you're wrong. CentOS is based on 'Red Hat Enterprise Linux'
and using their source rpm's. I used to run CentOS for about three
years, and its good and stable but not ideal for desktops. 
> 
> Debian Testing: This is the release that will become the next Debian
> Stable. It takes two years for a Testing release to become the next
> Stable (hence the Stable/Testing cycle is six months longer than
> Ubuntu's LTS (Long Term Support) releases, the most stable Ubuntu
> releases). There is also a several months "freeze" (I don't remember
> how many) at the end of a Testing release where no software is added
> nor upgraded - it's only for bugfixing - the result will be a really
> stable, as bug-free as possible upcoming Stable release. Again, if
> not mistaken, this is the release Ubuntu and its derivatives is based
> on.

I used to run Debian testing in its build-up phase before it was
released as 'stable'. I'm currently running stable again, but may well
upgrade to testing again at some time in the future. I currently track
several packages that I like with git, so I'm running some cutting-edge
programmes, fool that I am! :)

Debian stable is rock-solid and very stable and not likely to break or
cause you problems. I recommend it, plus there is exceptionally good
support via the users mailing list, and online with IRC. 

Sharon.
-- 
A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk
efever = http://www.efever.blogspot.com/
efever = http://sharon04.livejournal.com/
my git repo = https://github.com/boudiccas/dots
Debian stable, Fluxbox 1.3.5, LibreOffice  4.1.0.4
Registered Linux user 561944
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From berndth at gmx.de  Sun Oct  6 12:47:33 2013
From: berndth at gmx.de (Holger Berndt)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 12:47:33 +0200
Subject: [Users] Templates
In-Reply-To: <20130929122552.709d313a@scorpio>
References: <20130929122552.709d313a@scorpio>
Message-ID: <20131006124733.5904d5fe@wodan>

On So, 29.09.2013 12:25, Jerry wrote:

>If I could just highlight the messages I wanted forwarded and then click
>on the icon for the "template" on the tool bar, it would save a lot of
>time. Does claws-mail support creating a macro to handle this?

You can do some limited macro processing with the Python plugin. You
could add a toolbar button to call the sequence of menu items that you
like. However, you cannot control possible popups from these menu items
(like applying a template to an open compose window). If that's a
problem, it might be possible to completely use Python plugin scripting
instead of templates - depending on what you do in your templates.

Holger


From jerry at seibercom.net  Sun Oct  6 13:05:54 2013
From: jerry at seibercom.net (Jerry)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 07:05:54 -0400
Subject: [Users] Templates
In-Reply-To: <20131006124733.5904d5fe@wodan>
References: <20130929122552.709d313a@scorpio> <20131006124733.5904d5fe@wodan>
Message-ID: <20131006070554.3be259ce@scorpio>

On Sun, 6 Oct 2013 12:47:33 +0200
Holger Berndt articulated:

> On So, 29.09.2013 12:25, Jerry wrote:
> 
> >If I could just highlight the messages I wanted forwarded and then
> >click on the icon for the "template" on the tool bar, it would save
> >a lot of time. Does claws-mail support creating a macro to handle
> >this?
> 
> You can do some limited macro processing with the Python plugin. You
> could add a toolbar button to call the sequence of menu items that you
> like. However, you cannot control possible popups from these menu
> items (like applying a template to an open compose window). If that's
> a problem, it might be possible to completely use Python plugin
> scripting instead of templates - depending on what you do in your
> templates.

I have used programs in MS Windows where I could create a macro by
simply clicking on items and/or entering information. That ability is
awesome; however, I certainly understand why the claws-mail developers
probably do not want to entertain creating that functionality in
their product. It would probably require a great deal of work. I do not
know enough about Python to realistically follow that path; at least
not at present. Thank you very much for your reply though.

-- 
Jerry ♔

Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored.
Please do not ignore the Reply-To header.
__________________________________________________________________


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct  6 13:18:09 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 12:18:09 +0100
Subject: [Users] Mute "connection failed" error
In-Reply-To: <4623cc80b1defc1bf9277efd54ed82b7@zxcvb.cz>
References: <4623cc80b1defc1bf9277efd54ed82b7@zxcvb.cz>
Message-ID: <20131006121809.0e52788d@thewildbeast>

On Fri, 04 Oct 2013 15:09:05 +0200
Alois Mahdal <alois.mahdal.1-ndmail at zxcvb.cz> wrote: 

> When there's downtime in our intra-net, I keep getting annoyed
> by the error messages.  Since my work is mostly done with
> keyboard, having focus stolen every 5 minutes is not acceptable.
> 
> Currently all that I can do is shut down the client, but is
> there a better way?

I presume that you are talking about the connection error dialogue.
If this is the case then you can turn on the option "Don't popup
error dialogue on receive error" which you will find on the
'/Configuration/Preferences/Mail handling/Receiving' page

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct  6 16:50:54 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 14:50:54 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3009] New: "Rebuild folder tree" causes SIGSEGV if a
 directory name isn't valid utf-8
Message-ID: <bug-3009-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3009

            Bug ID: 3009
           Summary: "Rebuild folder tree" causes SIGSEGV if a directory
                    name isn't valid utf-8
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.9.2
          Hardware: PC
                OS: FreeBSD
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Folders
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: fk at fabiankeil.de

Created attachment 1299
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1299&action=edit
Let folder_item_new() convert the filename to utf8, to prevent crashes later on

If the mailbox contains a directory whose name isn't valid utf-8, "Rebuild
folder tree" causes a segmentation fault:

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[Switching to Thread 80a806400 (LWP 100502)]
strcoll_l (s=<optimized out>, s2=<optimized out>, locale=<optimized out>) at
/usr/src/lib/libc/string/strcoll.c:65
65        while(*t && *t2) {
(gdb) where
#0  strcoll_l (s=<optimized out>, s2=<optimized out>, locale=<optimized out>)
at /usr/src/lib/libc/string/strcoll.c:65
#1  0x000000080919e84b in strcoll (s=0x0, s2=0x80bc565a8 "[...]") at
/usr/src/lib/libc/string/strcoll.c:100
#2  0x000000080634af4a in g_utf8_collate (str1=0x80bc55fd8 "[...]\374[...]",
str2=0x80bc50438 "[...]") at gunicollate.c:136
#3  0x00000000004b9070 in folderview_clist_compare (clist=0x80a9543f0,
ptr1=0x80ab4fc30, ptr2=0x80ab4f930) at folderview.c:2574
#4  0x0000000000691f34 in sink (clist=0x80a9543f0, numbers=0x80bd20160, root=3,
bottom=7) at gtksctree.c:1082
#5  0x0000000000691dd9 in heap_sort (clist=0x80a9543f0, numbers=0x80bd20160,
array_size=7) at gtksctree.c:1103
#6  0x000000000068f681 in stree_sort (ctree=0x80a9543f0, node=0x80bc69180,
data=0x0) at gtksctree.c:1145
#7  0x000000000066204f in gtk_cmctree_post_recursive (ctree=0x80a9543f0,
node=0x80bc69180, func=0x68f540 <stree_sort>, data=0x0) at gtkcmctree.c:3334
#8  0x0000000000662022 in gtk_cmctree_post_recursive (ctree=0x80a9543f0,
node=0x80bc690c0, func=0x68f540 <stree_sort>, data=0x0) at gtkcmctree.c:3329
#9  0x000000000068f49e in gtk_sctree_sort_recursive (ctree=0x80a9543f0,
node=0x80bc690c0) at gtksctree.c:1205
[...]

The attached patch is one way to address the problem.

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From ciamarie at my180.net  Sun Oct  6 17:48:20 2013
From: ciamarie at my180.net (Cia Watson)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 08:48:20 -0700
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131005182038.527c36d0@london>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com> <20131004002652.5f454eb8@jdackle>
	<20131005182038.527c36d0@london>
Message-ID: <20131006084820.28f56037@my180.net>

On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 18:20:38 +0100
Sharon Kimble <boudiccas at talktalk.net> wrote:

<much deleted>
> 
> I used to run Debian testing in its build-up phase before it was
> released as 'stable'. I'm currently running stable again, but may well
> upgrade to testing again at some time in the future. I currently track
> several packages that I like with git, so I'm running some cutting-edge
> programmes, fool that I am! :)
> 
> Debian stable is rock-solid and very stable and not likely to break or
> cause you problems. I recommend it, plus there is exceptionally good
> support via the users mailing list, and online with IRC. 
> 

Same with me on my desktop pc, except I have a laptop on which I'm running
Jessie (the current Debian testing), which has the latest version of Claws.
For that reason I decided to install the latest version of claws on Wheezy
(stable) as well, since it's available in the backports repo. So I currently
have v3.9.2 on both machines. 

I have found Claws to run very well on Debian for at least the last 2.5
years or so I've been using Debian. 

Cia W.
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct  6 18:51:57 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 16:51:57 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2857] Export problem with vCalendar
In-Reply-To: <bug-2857-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2857-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2857-595-kZHml7BbbX@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2857

--- Comment #1 from pawel <maijstral at wp.pl> ---
I'd like to confirm that there is problem with the calendar export.
I'm using --alternate-config-dir, but Claws wants to store ICS file only in the
subfolder of C:\Users\MyUser\AppData\Roaming.

Software:
Claws Mail 3.9.2-55-g74b05b
vCalendar  3.9.2git55
Win7 x64

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct  6 18:58:59 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 16:58:59 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3010] New: unable to see added meetings in the
	vCalendar
Message-ID: <bug-3010-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3010

            Bug ID: 3010
           Summary: unable to see added meetings in the vCalendar
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail (Windows)
           Version: GIT
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Windows NT
            Status: NEW
          Severity: blocker
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: maijstral at wp.pl

I can't add any meetings in the vCalendar. I've found that files for meetings
are being created in the Claws's configuration vcalendar subdirectory.
Refreshing of meetings folder in the Claws shows nothing.

Software:
Claws Mail 3.9.2-55-g74b05b
vCalendar 3.9.2git55
Win7 x64

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct  6 20:14:40 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 18:14:40 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3009] "Rebuild folder tree" causes SIGSEGV if a
 directory name isn't valid utf-8
In-Reply-To: <bug-3009-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3009-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3009-595-K3KkzMzSkD@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3009

--- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
I've not tested the patch, but, while it's desirable that folders created by
Claws Mail doesn't trigger this crash, the problem will reappear with folders
created externally by other means. So better have a patch for that case too :)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Oct  7 06:13:05 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 04:13:05 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3011] New: SIGABRT when running action on multiple
	messages
Message-ID: <bug-3011-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3011

            Bug ID: 3011
           Summary: SIGABRT when running action on multiple messages
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.9.2
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Actions
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: solowolf at hushmail.com

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Oct  7 06:15:15 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 04:15:15 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3011] SIGABRT when running action on multiple messages
In-Reply-To: <bug-3011-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3011-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3011-595-8U5pox6mcS@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3011

--- Comment #1 from solowolf at hushmail.com ---
Created attachment 1300
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1300&action=edit
gdb backtrace after signal received

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Oct  7 06:19:26 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 04:19:26 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3011] SIGABRT when running action on multiple messages
In-Reply-To: <bug-3011-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3011-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3011-595-FeC4vdcd9Y@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3011

--- Comment #2 from solowolf at hushmail.com ---
I defined an action to feed messages to an external spam/ham classifier.  The
action looks like this:

safecat /home/itz/spam-corpora/ham/tmp /home/itz/spam-corpora/ham/new < %f

safecat is the handy shell level Maildir delivery program.

Anyway, this works fine when I select n messages and then I run the action, as
long as n < 4.  When n > 4, it always crashes claws with SIGABRT.  When n == 4,
it's even odds it will work or not.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Oct  7 06:52:46 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 04:52:46 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3011] SIGABRT when running action on multiple messages
In-Reply-To: <bug-3011-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3011-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3011-595-pzbk1BggjO@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3011

--- Comment #3 from solowolf at hushmail.com ---
As a workaround, I wrote a trivial shell script that takes multiple
filenames and exectues safecat on each of them.  When this script is set
as the action (with %F rather than %f), everything works withhout any
apparent limit on the number of selected messages.

This suggests the problem is not the size of input or output, but the
handling of the extra processes (waiting and reaping).

Also of some interest is that mine is a quad core machine (see how
number 4 figures in my original comment).

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Oct  7 09:00:33 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 07:00:33 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3011] crash when using %f Action on two or more
 uncached (IMAP) messages.
In-Reply-To: <bug-3011-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3011-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3011-595-7sGrLvXVLy@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3011

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Summary|SIGABRT when running action |crash when using %f Action
                   |on multiple messages        |on two or more uncached
                   |                            |(IMAP) messages.

--- Comment #4 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
This is actually caused by performing this Action on uncached IMAP messages. 4
is not an important number, it can be triggered by any amount greater than 1.

So, to reiterate, this is caused by using %f on two or more uncached messages.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Oct  7 11:05:45 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 09:05:45 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3009] "Rebuild folder tree" causes SIGSEGV if a
 directory name isn't valid utf-8
In-Reply-To: <bug-3009-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3009-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3009-595-CgO4rtXHxz@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3009

--- Comment #2 from Fabian Keil <fk at fabiankeil.de> ---
folder_item_new() is called for each already-existing directory in the mailbox
directory.

As far as "Rebuild folder tree" is concerned it shouldn't matter how the
directory was created.

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From John at wexfordpress.com  Mon Oct  7 17:03:22 2013
From: John at wexfordpress.com (john Culleton)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 11:03:22 -0400
Subject: [Users] Expirqation of emails
Message-ID: <20131007110322.7a19b9db@localb.wexfordpress.net>

Is there a way to set an automatic expiration period for emails in a
particular email folder? Kmail did this.

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From frankly3d at gmail.com  Mon Oct  7 17:08:08 2013
From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 16:08:08 +0100
Subject: [Users] Expirqation of emails
In-Reply-To: <20131007110322.7a19b9db@localb.wexfordpress.net>
References: <20131007110322.7a19b9db@localb.wexfordpress.net>
Message-ID: <5252ce5a.067e0e0a.3ddc.77a8@mx.google.com>

On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 11:03:22 -0400
john Culleton <John at wexfordpress.com> wrote:

> Is there a way to set an automatic expiration period for emails in a
> particular email folder? Kmail did this.
> 

Second button click on the folder,
"processing" you can set it for age etc..

-- 
Regards,
Frank 
www.frankly3d.com



From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Oct  7 17:09:12 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 16:09:12 +0100
Subject: [Users] Expirqation of emails
In-Reply-To: <20131007110322.7a19b9db@localb.wexfordpress.net>
References: <20131007110322.7a19b9db@localb.wexfordpress.net>
Message-ID: <20131007160912.2461fde4@thewildbeast>

On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 11:03:22 -0400
john Culleton <John at wexfordpress.com> wrote: 

> Is there a way to set an automatic expiration period for emails in a
> particular email folder?

Yes, a Processing rule with Match Criteria 'Age'.

with regards

Paul


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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Mon Oct  7 17:23:40 2013
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 16:23:40 +0100
Subject: [Users] Expirqation of emails
In-Reply-To: <20131007110322.7a19b9db@localb.wexfordpress.net>
References: <20131007110322.7a19b9db@localb.wexfordpress.net>
Message-ID: <20131007162340.7055de4d@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 11:03:22 -0400
john Culleton <John at wexfordpress.com> wrote:

Hello john,

>Is there a way to set an automatic expiration period for emails in a
>particular email folder? Kmail did this.

Yes:  Right click on the relevant folder, select "Processing..." and
create your rule(s) there.

If you want to set an overall delete age (that is, one for *all*
folders) use Configuration menu -> Preferences then either Pre- or
Post-Processing and create the rule(s) there instead.  Choose Pre- or
Post- depending on whether you want the rules activated on entering or
leaving folders.

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From kardan at riseup.net  Mon Oct  7 21:54:54 2013
From: kardan at riseup.net (kardan)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 21:54:54 +0200
Subject: [Users] RSSyl: Timeout fetching feed.
Message-ID: <20131007215454.1e70b371@delight>

Hi,

since some days I can't add new feeds:
 " Couldn't fetch URL 'http://...': Timeout was reached"
Where can I set this timeout and why is it reached before 5 seconds?

The feeds work fine with firefox.

Thanks!

-- 
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Public GPG key 9D6108AE58C06558 at hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net
fingerprint: F72F C4D9 6A52 16A1 E7C9  AE94 9D61 08AE 58C0 6558

Why?
* EU data retention since 2006 http://tinyurl.com/eu-data-retention
* NSA/GCHQ spying cables http://tinyurl.com/nsa-timeline
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From andrej at kacian.sk  Mon Oct  7 22:14:56 2013
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 22:14:56 +0200
Subject: [Users] RSSyl: Timeout fetching feed.
In-Reply-To: <20131007215454.1e70b371@delight>
References: <20131007215454.1e70b371@delight>
Message-ID: <20131007221456.2041f82a@penny>

On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 21:54:54 +0200
kardan <kardan at riseup.net> wrote:

> since some days I can't add new feeds:
>  " Couldn't fetch URL 'http://...': Timeout was reached"
> Where can I set this timeout and why is it reached before 5 seconds?

Hello kardan,

the timeout can be set in Claws Mail preferences, on Other->Miscellaneous page.

Regards,
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From mrqueue32 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  8 01:48:12 2013
From: mrqueue32 at gmail.com (mr queue)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 18:48:12 -0500
Subject: [Users] Proper regex filter
Message-ID: <CACcQGfZfveB38jtqtupQsHwf=kUSGTDgGaSnrUKV1c8HMXxwOA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to match any message with a pair of brackets in the subject.
i.e. [foo] or [BAR]. However it seems that my regex is being mangled when
setting it up. If I do:

"\[.*\]"

That gets changed when I hit replace or ok with:

"\\[.*\\]"

If I do not escape it, it isn't mangled, but should not match and doesn't.

"[.*]"

Any ideas? I've looked around google a bit and it seems claws can get a bit
picky on what would typically be a standard regex.

Regards,
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Oct  8 11:17:31 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 10:17:31 +0100
Subject: [Users] Proper regex filter
In-Reply-To: <CACcQGfZfveB38jtqtupQsHwf=kUSGTDgGaSnrUKV1c8HMXxwOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACcQGfZfveB38jtqtupQsHwf=kUSGTDgGaSnrUKV1c8HMXxwOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20131008101731.46fa3888@thewildbeast>

On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 18:48:12 -0500
mr queue <mrqueue32 at gmail.com> wrote: 

> Any ideas? I've looked around google a bit and it seems claws can
> get a bit picky on what would typically be a standard regex.

Don't worry about the "mangling", that's just how it works.

with regards

Paul


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From mrqueue32 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  8 16:44:30 2013
From: mrqueue32 at gmail.com (mr queue)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 09:44:30 -0500
Subject: [Users] Proper regex filter
In-Reply-To: <20131008101731.46fa3888@thewildbeast>
References: <CACcQGfZfveB38jtqtupQsHwf=kUSGTDgGaSnrUKV1c8HMXxwOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20131008101731.46fa3888@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <CACcQGfZ=5aTbWXU7ogf55u+zu5ZHOsF7Mox4HearqfUDz1eg3w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 4:17 AM, Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> Don't worry about the "mangling", that's just how it works.
>
> with regards
>
> Paul
>

Thank you.


From dirk.schleicher at gmx.de  Tue Oct  8 22:05:30 2013
From: dirk.schleicher at gmx.de (Dirk Schleicher)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 22:05:30 +0200
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
Message-ID: <0E3FABD7-2EF7-4CD0-9540-67AD2822C8DF@gmx.de>

Hello there,

I have a strange problem since yesterday with version 3.9.2-55-g74b05b.
The version work for me the whole time perfect. I use CM minimum the
last 8-10 years at Debian and windows. 

With the windows port I have the prob that I am not able to send mails
anymore.
I try to send it to gmx.net and to mail.de.

I get the following error

Konto: 'Dirk': Verbinde mit SMTP-Server: mail.gmx.de:25...
[22:37:35] SMTP< 220 gmx.com (mrgmx102) Nemesis ESMTP Service ready
[22:37:35] ESMTP> EHLO unknown
[22:37:35] ESMTP< 550-Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable
** Fehler bei der SMTP-Sitzung
*** Fehler beim Senden der Nachricht:
550-Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable

It is CM!!! I install thunderbird and it works. I write tis mail with
CM and store it as draft. (I use an own imap server but I send direkt
via smtp)
Then I send this stored mail via iPhone and I can send it.

But the strange thing is that before it works perfect. 
I install no new software atmy laptop. Nothing change since the last
time.

Any idea? I try to find an older version of CM to try this.

Thanks

Dirk


From dirk.schleicher at gmx.de  Tue Oct  8 22:24:13 2013
From: dirk.schleicher at gmx.de (Dirk Schleicher)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 22:24:13 +0200
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
In-Reply-To: <0E3FABD7-2EF7-4CD0-9540-67AD2822C8DF@gmx.de>
References: <0E3FABD7-2EF7-4CD0-9540-67AD2822C8DF@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <079B8D44-F656-4FBA-B588-72502343FB42@gmx.de>

am 08.10.13 schrieb Dirk Schleicher

[...]
I found Version 3.9.1.
It is the same. So it seams more that is it my XP version.
But I have absolute no idea why

Thanks

Dirk


From abrolag at users.sourceforge.net  Tue Oct  8 22:57:06 2013
From: abrolag at users.sourceforge.net (Abrolag)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 21:57:06 +0100
Subject: [Users] Deleting mails *really*
Message-ID: <20131008215706.5d417ac2@debian>

The machine at work suffered a failure that needed a complete rebuild. Since
the, when you delete a mail entry instead of actually removing it, it just marks
it with a red cross. We discovered you could use 'expunge' in the tools menu to
do the actual deletion, but can't seem to find an option to return to the
automatic removal.

Help appreciated!

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.


From danlyke at flutterby.com  Tue Oct  8 23:10:01 2013
From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 14:10:01 -0700
Subject: [Users] Deleting mails *really*
In-Reply-To: <20131008215706.5d417ac2@debian>
References: <20131008215706.5d417ac2@debian>
Message-ID: <CAEnBMPaH-gJr6Ma2iFA01hdGrdecKz_g0uPK8VN3DE1EdMnSDA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Abrolag <abrolag at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> Since the, when you delete a mail entry instead of actually removing
> it, it just marks it with a red cross. We discovered you could use
> 'expunge' in the tools menu to do the actual deletion, but can't
> seem to find an option to return to the automatic removal.

There have been a couple of patches which have purported to fix this
behavior, but I suspect you're seeing the impacts of...

Go to Configuration->Preferences, scroll down underneath "Display" and
select "Summaries", and then find "Execute immediately when moving or
deleting messages".

For some reason this flag seems to get turned off sometimes when Claws crashes.

Dan


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Oct  8 23:12:43 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 22:12:43 +0100
Subject: [Users] Deleting mails *really*
In-Reply-To: <20131008215706.5d417ac2@debian>
References: <20131008215706.5d417ac2@debian>
Message-ID: <20131008221243.69e1e876@thewildbeast>

On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 21:57:06 +0100
Abrolag <abrolag at users.sourceforge.net> wrote: 

> The machine at work suffered a failure that needed a complete
> rebuild. Since the, when you delete a mail entry instead of
> actually removing it, it just marks it with a red cross. We
> discovered you could use 'expunge' in the tools menu to do the
> actual deletion, but can't seem to find an option to return to the
> automatic removal.
> 
> Help appreciated!

Look on the Advanced page of your IMAP account's preferences, there
you will find the option to expunge immediately.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Oct  8 23:14:23 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 22:14:23 +0100
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
In-Reply-To: <0E3FABD7-2EF7-4CD0-9540-67AD2822C8DF@gmx.de>
References: <0E3FABD7-2EF7-4CD0-9540-67AD2822C8DF@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <20131008221423.77e7c368@thewildbeast>

On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 22:05:30 +0200
Dirk Schleicher <dirk.schleicher at gmx.de> wrote: 

> It is CM!!! I install thunderbird and it works. I write tis mail
> with CM and store it as draft. (I use an own imap server but I send
> direkt via smtp)

Since nothing changed in Claws in relation to this it can't be Claws.
Check your account settings. Maybe something changed in the server
config. Perhaps you need to check the username.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From dirk.schleicher at gmx.de  Tue Oct  8 23:24:16 2013
From: dirk.schleicher at gmx.de (Dirk Schleicher)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 23:24:16 +0200
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
References: <0E3FABD7-2EF7-4CD0-9540-67AD2822C8DF@gmx.de>
	<20131008221423.77e7c368@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <60A98165-62A8-4180-8D48-BBC0DDB2FBF9@gmx.de>

am 08.10.13 schrieb Paul

> Since nothing changed in Claws in relation to this it can't be Claws.
> Check your account settings. Maybe something changed in the server
> config. Perhaps you need to check the username.


But is it not one server. There are two server. gmx and web.de both of
them are not working. I try an other user.
Theme result.


From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Wed Oct  9 01:15:18 2013
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 19:15:18 -0400
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
In-Reply-To: <20131008221423.77e7c368@thewildbeast>
References: <0E3FABD7-2EF7-4CD0-9540-67AD2822C8DF@gmx.de>
	<20131008221423.77e7c368@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20131008191518.771fe62a@mydesk>

On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 22:14:23 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 22:05:30 +0200
> Dirk Schleicher <dirk.schleicher at gmx.de> wrote: 
> 
> > It is CM!!! I install thunderbird and it works. I write tis mail
> > with CM and store it as draft. (I use an own imap server but I send
> > direkt via smtp)
> 
> Since nothing changed in Claws in relation to this it can't be Claws.
> Check your account settings. Maybe something changed in the server
> config. Perhaps you need to check the username.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul

Sure it can. Claws has two deletion methods...

One of the cool things about Claws-Mail is that it has two completely
different email deletion paradigms:

    Trash and expunge deletions immediately
    Simply mark them for later deletion

The trash and expunge is pretty much what most email programs do --
move the message from its current folder to the trash folder. When I
first saw the mark for later deletion interface, it made me crazy and I
asked on the list how to change it to "normal". But in the ensuing
weeks and months, I came to prefer mark for later deletion -- much
easier to recover accidental deletions. You can hide the marked
messages in a folder by highlighting the folder, and then
View->Hide_deleted_messages. And, at any given time, you can always
permantently delete the marked emails with Tools->Expunge.

To set your preferred Click Configure->Preferences_for_current_account
to get the Account Preferences window for the current account, then in
the Page Index list on the left, click Advanced. Now look carefully at
the screen for a checkbox called "Move deleted email to trash and
expunge immediately". If you check that box, deleted emails are moved
to the Trash folder right away. If you don't check that box, deleting a
message simply marks it and turns it light gray.

While you're on this page of this window, notice the input field
labeled "Put deleted messages in", with a checkbox. If you check it and
select a folder, that folder becomes your trash folder. Usual choices
for trash folder are either account/trash or account/INBOX/Trash.

To summarize, your deletion config is all contained on the advanced
page of the current account's Account Preferences page, which is
reached by clicking Configuration->Preferences_for_current_account, and
then selecting "Advanced" from the page list on the left of the Account
Preferences window.

    To choose Trash and Espunge immediately, check the "move deleted
    mails to trash and expunge immediately" checkbox. To choose  Mark
    for later deletion, uncheck the "move deleted mails to trash and
    expunge immediately" checkbox. Either way, to define the Trash
    folder, check the "Put deleted messages in" checkbox, and put in
    the desired folder in the "Put deleted messages in" input field.
    The input field has a browse button on its right to help you choose.

SteveT

Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


From jdalinux at yahoo.com.br  Wed Oct  9 02:45:36 2013
From: jdalinux at yahoo.com.br (J.D. Ackle)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 01:45:36 +0100
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
In-Reply-To: <20131005182038.527c36d0@london>
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com> <20131004002652.5f454eb8@jdackle>
	<20131005182038.527c36d0@london>
Message-ID: <20131009014536.4c2d2a4f@jdackle>

On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 18:20:38 +0100
Sharon Kimble <boudiccas at talktalk.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 00:26:52 +0100
> "J.D. Ackle" <jdalinux at yahoo.com.br> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 22:03:48 +0200
> > vitsen at gmx.com wrote:
> > 
> > > I am a bit worried, as I have read on some posts that there are
> > > significant bugs in Debian (if I remember correctly). So, does this
> > > mean that such bugs are also present on Ubuntu, which is based on
> > > Debian? Should I avoid all Debian/Ubuntu-based distros?
> > 
> > As nobody else actually adressed this, I will have to frankly say
> > that there is a lot of bugs in Debian is a really odd one! Then
> > again, it would depend on which specific Debian flavour you are
> > running. Here are the three Debian flavours you can run:
> > 
> > Debian Stable: You can safelly say Debian stable has less bugs in it
> > than about 99% (or more!) of the other distros in the planet. It is
> > actually a sort of common knowledge that Debian Stable is THE most
> > stable GNU/Linux distribution out there. It is also often considered
> > outdated - that's because very thorough testing is required on the
> > software included in Debian Testing, and that takes time... So you'll
> > likely not have "the latest and greatest" in Stable. If I'm not
> > mistaken, CentOS (an enterprise Linux distro) is based on this Debian
> > release.
> 
> Sorry, but you're wrong. CentOS is based on 'Red Hat Enterprise Linux'
> and using their source rpm's. I used to run CentOS for about three
> years, and its good and stable but not ideal for desktops. 
No need to apologize for correcting me. I however do apologize for my misleaded claim (I honestly don't remember where I got that idea from). Anyway, stating that CentOS was an enterprise Linux distro was meant to say an equivalente to "very stable", which actually, isn't necessantly so, is it? So my apologies for that one too.

> > 
> > Debian Testing: This is the release that will become the next Debian
> > Stable. It takes two years for a Testing release to become the next
> > Stable (hence the Stable/Testing cycle is six months longer than
> > Ubuntu's LTS (Long Term Support) releases, the most stable Ubuntu
> > releases). There is also a several months "freeze" (I don't remember
> > how many) at the end of a Testing release where no software is added
> > nor upgraded - it's only for bugfixing - the result will be a really
> > stable, as bug-free as possible upcoming Stable release. Again, if
> > not mistaken, this is the release Ubuntu and its derivatives is based
> > on.
> 
> I used to run Debian testing in its build-up phase before it was
> released as 'stable'. I'm currently running stable again, but may well
> upgrade to testing again at some time in the future. I currently track
> several packages that I like with git, so I'm running some cutting-edge
> programmes, fool that I am! :)
I'm guessing those packages are not core system libraries... Anyway, we're not judging you nor the choices you make for the operating system(s) you run, we're advising someone else in terms of what to expect from Linux distros out there, in terms of stability, mainly for running Claws Mail. Or at least so I think.
Warning people about that a particular distributions or one of its releases are not designed for everyday "production" use seems reasonable to me - that doesn't mean I'm judging those who opt otherwise for themselves.

> 
> Debian stable is rock-solid and very stable and not likely to break or
> cause you problems. I recommend it, plus there is exceptionally good
> support via the users mailing list, and online with IRC. 
> 
> Sharon.


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct  9 07:39:23 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 06:39:23 +0100
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
In-Reply-To: <20131008191518.771fe62a@mydesk>
References: <0E3FABD7-2EF7-4CD0-9540-67AD2822C8DF@gmx.de>
	<20131008221423.77e7c368@thewildbeast>
	<20131008191518.771fe62a@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20131009063923.0a504f20@thewildbeast>

On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 19:15:18 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote: 

> Sure it can. Claws has two deletion methods...

Huh?!? This thread is about problems with sending mail.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct  9 07:53:48 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 06:53:48 +0100
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
In-Reply-To: <60A98165-62A8-4180-8D48-BBC0DDB2FBF9@gmx.de>
References: <0E3FABD7-2EF7-4CD0-9540-67AD2822C8DF@gmx.de>
	<20131008221423.77e7c368@thewildbeast>
	<60A98165-62A8-4180-8D48-BBC0DDB2FBF9@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <20131009065348.473d75b4@thewildbeast>

On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 23:24:16 +0200
Dirk Schleicher <dirk.schleicher at gmx.de> wrote: 

> But is it not one server. There are two server. gmx and web.de both
> of them are not working. I try an other user.

Seems GMX and web.de are the same company, both owned by United
Internet AG, so quite possible that the same change is made on the
server in both cases.

Are you using STARTTLS on this account? Start Claws with --debug and
post the whole send attempt from the debug info.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From dirk.schleicher at gmx.de  Wed Oct  9 09:52:06 2013
From: dirk.schleicher at gmx.de (Dirk Schleicher)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 09:52:06 +0200
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
In-Reply-To: <20131009065348.473d75b4@thewildbeast>
References: <0E3FABD7-2EF7-4CD0-9540-67AD2822C8DF@gmx.de>
	<20131008221423.77e7c368@thewildbeast>
	<60A98165-62A8-4180-8D48-BBC0DDB2FBF9@gmx.de>
	<20131009065348.473d75b4@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <AE35A254-5FFC-4012-AFFC-558F6DA458AF@gmx.de>

am 09.10.13 schrieb Paul

> Are you using STARTTLS on this account? Start Claws with --debug and
> post the whole send attempt from the debug info.


Thanks Paul.

I do not use STARTTLS. Never. I start claws with --debug from the CMD.
I can not find any debug info. Where can I find them?

Thanks


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct  9 09:55:00 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 08:55:00 +0100
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
In-Reply-To: <AE35A254-5FFC-4012-AFFC-558F6DA458AF@gmx.de>
References: <0E3FABD7-2EF7-4CD0-9540-67AD2822C8DF@gmx.de>
	<20131008221423.77e7c368@thewildbeast>
	<60A98165-62A8-4180-8D48-BBC0DDB2FBF9@gmx.de>
	<20131009065348.473d75b4@thewildbeast>
	<AE35A254-5FFC-4012-AFFC-558F6DA458AF@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <20131009085500.1952d5fb@thewildbeast>

On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 09:52:06 +0200
Dirk Schleicher <dirk.schleicher at gmx.de> wrote: 

> I do not use STARTTLS. Never. 

So you're not using SSL/TLS for this connection?

> I start claws with --debug from the
> CMD. I can not find any debug info. Where can I find them?

All the debug info is printed out in the shell where you wrote
`claws-mail --debug`.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From dirk.schleicher at gmx.de  Wed Oct  9 10:17:58 2013
From: dirk.schleicher at gmx.de (Dirk Schleicher)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 10:17:58 +0200
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
References: <0E3FABD7-2EF7-4CD0-9540-67AD2822C8DF@gmx.de>
	<20131008221423.77e7c368@thewildbeast>
	<60A98165-62A8-4180-8D48-BBC0DDB2FBF9@gmx.de>
	<20131009065348.473d75b4@thewildbeast>
	<AE35A254-5FFC-4012-AFFC-558F6DA458AF@gmx.de>
	<20131009085500.1952d5fb@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <44E0FC46-B720-46F1-86D0-9E2EE6CE60B4@gmx.de>

am 09.10.13 schrieb Paul

>> I do not use STARTTLS. Never.   
> 
> So you're not using SSL/TLS for this connection?

I use SSL/TLS but no STARTTLS

> 
>> I start claws with --debug from the
>> CMD. I can not find any debug info. Where can I find them?  
> 
> All the debug info is printed out in the shell where you wrote
> `claws-mail --debug`.

There is nothing...
But is use the Windows Version!!!
I looked also for a claws-win32.log

Thanks



From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct  9 10:30:11 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 08:30:11 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2658] CardDav support
In-Reply-To: <bug-2658-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2658-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2658-595-bNc9Bl59ki@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2658

--- Comment #5 from claws-bugs at tengu.ch ---
Hello,

It would indeed be a great feature — another use may be with ownCloud, when we
have contacts synced to it as "central service" (roundcube seems to be able to
copy them locally, android can do it as well as Thunderbird [not tested, but
there are things])…

such a plugin would change my life, really :).

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.

From ghaverla at materialisations.com  Thu Oct 10 02:42:01 2013
From: ghaverla at materialisations.com (ghaverla)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 18:42:01 -0600
Subject: [Users] Greetings from another kmail1 refugee
Message-ID: <20131009184201.258fddbf@newmain.materia>

Greetings from NW Alberta, Canada.

My desktop computer is the server for my LAN, and so it seldom gets
rebooted.  I usually take forced rebooting incidents, as the time to
update software.  And the last update resulted in my having to drop
using kmail for email.  I had been using kmail under LXDE for quite a
while before this update.  As others have observed, I seen no need for
the semantic waste of resources that KDE has decided to become.

Claws has a FAQ.  Which means there must be a means of asking
questions.  And looking around the claws-mail website, I couldn't find
a mail list.  Which made me wonder about the FAQ.  Google knows of the
mailing list, which is how I have registered.  But maybe you need to
make it easier for people to find this?

I have read the last 1.5 years of the users threads.  I learned some
things (thank you), and I seen a couple of threads I thought I would
comment on.

[Users] Claws mail to relational database?
Fri Jul 5 19:10:03 CEST 2013
http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2013-July/006673.html

There is a single person project called Manitou-mail (nominally out of
France?) which looks to store email in PostgreSQL.  The project is
active, but slow (to be expected of a single person project I suppose).

The definition of a mail-folder in a SQL environment is logical.
Manitou seemed to be really only good at importing mbox, and so I wrote
Perl script to turn a kmail maildir based store into a mbox, to import
mail using Mail::Box related perl modules.  The idea was that I would
migrate to manitou, as it made more long term sense.  But, the website
hasn't changed much (not that I am looking for recognition).  I can
only assume the author is too busy to explore further development.

I have no idea if the schema used to import mail into PostgreSQL is
sufficient.  I don't know if the manitou backend is a IMAP server.
But, for people who want to store email in a SQL dbase, this might be
something to look at.  A significant part of Manitou is Perl.


[Users] Action for fake html emails
Wed Jun 5 20:59:46 CEST 2013
http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2013-June/006421.html

The engineering association I belong to, feels obligated to send
multipart MIME messages to members where the text part of every message
is 1 or 2 bytes.  Which only shows the messages are not compliant with
the Multipart/MIME convention.

I got tired of these improper emails at one point, and started working
on a solution, never finished.  But, I was using Mail::Box related perl
modules in my solution, and a side effect of my sending in a patch is
that there is support for sending proper multipart MIME in Mail::Box
hierarchy.  I was hoping to provide an interface through which they
could send plain ASCII, HTML and PDF is still unfinished.  And not
likely to be finished any time soon.


I'll close here.  Two comments.

Have a great day!
Gord



From ghaverla at materialisations.com  Thu Oct 10 02:55:38 2013
From: ghaverla at materialisations.com (ghaverla)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 18:55:38 -0600
Subject: [Users] "Filtering rules"
Message-ID: <20131009185538.7365bc00@newmain.materia>

Hello

As mentioned earlier, I was forced to move away from kmail with no
notice, and so I am playing catchup in part.

I have seen email threads in the archives which address kmail to
claws transitions.

I think editing ~/.claws-mail/matcherrc is easier than using the GUI to
make rules.

What I want to ask about, is filtering behavior.  It seems to me that
if I leave claws displaying the default inbox, I really need to change
to some other mail folder, wait a while, and then change back to inbox
in order for the filtering rules to work.

Is this is what is intended?  If so, could a person request a button to
have this extra processing done without the manual changing of to
another folder and back?

Of interest, does any part of claws (or addons) use Text::Autoformat?

Have a great day!
Gord



From pf at pfortin.com  Thu Oct 10 06:08:33 2013
From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 00:08:33 -0400
Subject: [Users] "Filtering rules"
In-Reply-To: <20131009185538.7365bc00@newmain.materia>
References: <20131009185538.7365bc00@newmain.materia>
Message-ID: <20131010000833.2875fbe5@pfortin.com>

On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 18:55:38 -0600 ghaverla wrote:

>What I want to ask about, is filtering behavior.  It seems to me that
>if I leave claws displaying the default inbox, I really need to change
>to some other mail folder, wait a while, and then change back to inbox
>in order for the filtering rules to work.

Check "Filter messages on receiving" in the Receive panel of the
account(s) you want this behavior.

Pierre


From h.mth at web.de  Thu Oct 10 08:11:18 2013
From: h.mth at web.de (Hanno Meyer-Thurow)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:11:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
Message-ID: <trinity-c46e26ed-990e-40b2-a65a-bcec18a39d1f-1381385478423@3capp-webde-bs30>

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 10 09:07:07 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:07:07 +0100
Subject: [Users] Greetings from another kmail1 refugee
In-Reply-To: <20131009184201.258fddbf@newmain.materia>
References: <20131009184201.258fddbf@newmain.materia>
Message-ID: <20131010080707.6fca3b35@thewildbeast>

On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 18:42:01 -0600
ghaverla <ghaverla at materialisations.com> wrote: 

> Claws has a FAQ.  Which means there must be a means of asking
> questions.  And looking around the claws-mail website, I couldn't
> find a mail list.  Which made me wonder about the FAQ.  Google
> knows of the mailing list, which is how I have registered.  But
> maybe you need to make it easier for people to find this?

Under the menu item 'Community' you will find details about this
mailing list. Maybe this doesn't slap you in the face like the words
'Mailing list' would, but seems logical enough, at least with a
moment or two's thought.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 10 09:10:22 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:10:22 +0100
Subject: [Users] "Filtering rules"
In-Reply-To: <20131009185538.7365bc00@newmain.materia>
References: <20131009185538.7365bc00@newmain.materia>
Message-ID: <20131010081022.562cfd03@thewildbeast>

On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 18:55:38 -0600
ghaverla <ghaverla at materialisations.com> wrote: 

> I think editing ~/.claws-mail/matcherrc is easier than using the
> GUI to make rules.

Easier to break the syntax too.

> What I want to ask about, is filtering behavior.  It seems to me
> that if I leave claws displaying the default inbox, I really need
> to change to some other mail folder, wait a while, and then change
> back to inbox in order for the filtering rules to work.

Perhaps you're confusing Filtering with Processing? Both can be run
automatically, the forme on fetching new mail, the latter on entering
a folder. Both also can be run manually, from the /Tools/ menu,
and/or from the folder context menu.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 10 09:19:06 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:19:06 +0100
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
In-Reply-To: <trinity-c46e26ed-990e-40b2-a65a-bcec18a39d1f-1381385478423@3capp-webde-bs30>
References: <trinity-c46e26ed-990e-40b2-a65a-bcec18a39d1f-1381385478423@3capp-webde-bs30>
Message-ID: <20131010081906.265c75dc@thewildbeast>

On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:11:18 +0200 (CEST)
"Hanno Meyer-Thurow" <h.mth at web.de> wrote: 

> The problem with "claws-mail --debug" within Windows console is
> that there simply is no stdout for UI based applications.

On windows --debug output goes to claws-win32.log in your temporary
directory.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From h.mth at web.de  Thu Oct 10 10:26:03 2013
From: h.mth at web.de (Hanno Meyer-Thurow)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 10:26:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
Message-ID: <trinity-8810b47c-3ba5-4289-b92b-8f28b682cae7-1381393562921@3capp-webde-bs14>

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 10 10:44:21 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 09:44:21 +0100
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
In-Reply-To: <trinity-8810b47c-3ba5-4289-b92b-8f28b682cae7-1381393562921@3capp-webde-bs14>
References: <trinity-8810b47c-3ba5-4289-b92b-8f28b682cae7-1381393562921@3capp-webde-bs14>
Message-ID: <20131010094421.2447eeed@thewildbeast>

On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 10:26:03 +0200 (CEST)
"Hanno Meyer-Thurow" <h.mth at web.de> wrote: 

> okay, the temp directory is not the best choice. ;)
> Claws Mail runtime directory would be a better place to find.
>  
> Anyway, the log yields no more information than the network log
> from first post, for me. You may have a look at it; attached.

Are you using SSL or STARTTLS for SMTP on this account?

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From h.mth at web.de  Thu Oct 10 11:33:22 2013
From: h.mth at web.de (Hanno Meyer-Thurow)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:33:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
Message-ID: <trinity-397f14d2-6946-41ba-8190-fa9ec8905074-1381397602663@3capp-webde-bs02>

Hi Paul,

I tested SSL, STARTTLS and plain on port 25 and 587 where smtp.web.de listens on.
Non-blocking connections never worked for me on smtp.

STARTTLS and plain used to work on both ports, now on neither port with neither variant does.
I wonder if there is more debug info that could be printed ...


Regards,
Hanno


From h.mth at web.de  Thu Oct 10 11:43:11 2013
From: h.mth at web.de (Hanno Meyer-Thurow)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:43:11 +0200
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
In-Reply-To: <20131010094421.2447eeed@thewildbeast>
References: <20131010094421.2447eeed@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <525676AF.7030303@web.de>

Hi Paul,

this mail is from thunderbird. Well, just to see if it passes.


Greetings,
Hanno


From h.mth at web.de  Thu Oct 10 11:59:05 2013
From: h.mth at web.de (Hanno Meyer-Thurow)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:59:05 +0200
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
In-Reply-To: <20131010094421.2447eeed@thewildbeast>
References: <20131010094421.2447eeed@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <52567A69.8050506@web.de>

Hi Paul,

attached is the log of a thunderbird smtp session. The difference on a 
quick look yields

     SMTP Send: EHLO [192.168.0.112]

versus Claws Mail

     ESMTP> EHLO unknown


Regards,
Hanno
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From h.mth at web.de  Thu Oct 10 13:52:31 2013
From: h.mth at web.de (Hanno Meyer-Thurow)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:52:31 +0200
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
In-Reply-To: <20131010094421.2447eeed@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20131010135231.00005592@localhost>

Hi Paul,
hi Dirk,

found a workaround:

	Configuration > Edit accounts > Edit > Advanced
		> Domain name: localhost

Et voilà, it works with "EHLO localhost".

So, it would be good to change the default from "EHLO unknown" into
something else. Thanks!


Kind regards,
Hanno


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 10 14:18:47 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:18:47 +0100
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
In-Reply-To: <20131010135231.00005592@localhost>
References: <20131010094421.2447eeed@thewildbeast>
	<20131010135231.00005592@localhost>
Message-ID: <20131010131847.30f28838@thewildbeast>

On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:52:31 +0200
Hanno Meyer-Thurow <h.mth at web.de> wrote: 

> found a workaround:
> 
> 	Configuration > Edit accounts > Edit > Advanced
> 		> Domain name: localhost  
> 
> Et voilà, it works with "EHLO localhost".
> 
> So, it would be good to change the default from "EHLO unknown" into
> something else. Thanks!

Ahh, great! Many thanks for investigating!

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From dirk.schleicher at gmx.de  Thu Oct 10 17:11:18 2013
From: dirk.schleicher at gmx.de (Dirk Schleicher)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 17:11:18 +0200
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
In-Reply-To: <20131010135231.00005592@localhost>
References: <20131010094421.2447eeed@thewildbeast>
	<20131010135231.00005592@localhost>
Message-ID: <20131010171118.00000763@localhost>

am 10.10.13 schrieb Hanno Meyer-Thurow

>found a workaround:
>
>	Configuration > Edit accounts > Edit > Advanced
>		> Domain name: localhost  
>
>Et voilà, it works with "EHLO localhost".
>
>So, it would be good to change the default from "EHLO unknown" into
>something else. Thanks!


Hi Hanno,

I love u ;-)

It works for me too. Why it change working before??? Maybe they change
really something at there server settings.

Best regards

Dirk


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 10 17:20:12 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 16:20:12 +0100
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
In-Reply-To: <20131010171118.00000763@localhost>
References: <20131010094421.2447eeed@thewildbeast>
	<20131010135231.00005592@localhost>
	<20131010171118.00000763@localhost>
Message-ID: <20131010162012.2c3acd92@thewildbeast>

On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 17:11:18 +0200
Dirk Schleicher <dirk.schleicher at gmx.de> wrote: 

> It works for me too. Why it change working before??? Maybe they
> change really something at there server settings.

It was definitely caused by a change on the server. But now I've made
the change in Claws Git, so the next release will not show this
problem for anyone.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From barry at python.org  Thu Oct 10 20:14:35 2013
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 14:14:35 -0400
Subject: [Users] On which Linux distro is Claws Mail best supported?
References: <20131003200348.255520@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <20131010141435.36e00330@anarchist>

On Oct 03, 2013, at 10:03 PM, vitsen at gmx.com wrote:

>Please, suggest some solutions where using Claws Mail will give me the least
>possible trouble.

While I don't run it on a low-powered netbook, I am happily using Claws 3.9.2
on Ubuntu 13.10 with the default desktop on both my laptop and desktop
machines.  I leave it running all the time and it almost never crashes - very
occasionally I'll see it crash during network transitions on my laptop
(e.g. suspend and then resume).  Other than that, it's pretty flawless.

-Barry
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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu Oct 10 20:54:36 2013
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 14:54:36 -0400
Subject: [Users] Strange smtp problem
In-Reply-To: <20131009063923.0a504f20@thewildbeast>
References: <0E3FABD7-2EF7-4CD0-9540-67AD2822C8DF@gmx.de>
	<20131008221423.77e7c368@thewildbeast>
	<20131008191518.771fe62a@mydesk>
	<20131009063923.0a504f20@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20131010145436.4c186275@mydesk>

On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 06:39:23 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 19:15:18 -0400
> Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote: 
> 
> > Sure it can. Claws has two deletion methods...
> 
> Huh?!? This thread is about problems with sending mail.

Had you going there for a minute, didn't I Paul?

:-)

I somehow commingled the "Strange smtp problem" and "Deleting emails
*really*" threads, and my bizarre hybrid response was the result.

We can now return to our regular broadcast schedule.

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


From abrolag at users.sourceforge.net  Thu Oct 10 21:59:36 2013
From: abrolag at users.sourceforge.net (Abrolag)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 20:59:36 +0100
Subject: [Users] Deleting mails *really*
In-Reply-To: <20131008221243.69e1e876@thewildbeast>
References: <20131008215706.5d417ac2@debian>
	<20131008221243.69e1e876@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20131010205936.325a210a@debian>

On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 22:12:43 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 21:57:06 +0100
> Abrolag <abrolag at users.sourceforge.net> wrote: 
> 
> > The machine at work suffered a failure that needed a complete
> > rebuild. Since the, when you delete a mail entry instead of
> > actually removing it, it just marks it with a red cross. We
> > discovered you could use 'expunge' in the tools menu to do the
> > actual deletion, but can't seem to find an option to return to the
> > automatic removal.
> > 
> > Help appreciated!
> 
> Look on the Advanced page of your IMAP account's preferences, there
> you will find the option to expunge immediately.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul

Thanks. Probelm solved.

-- 
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.


From corbet-claws at lwn.net  Fri Oct 11 00:39:34 2013
From: corbet-claws at lwn.net (Jonathan Corbet)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 16:39:34 -0600
Subject: [Users] Stripping of quotes in email addresses in the address book
Message-ID: <20131010163934.261f7321@lwn.net>

Hey, clawsfolk, it's been a while since I posted here.

I wanted to draw your attention to a discussion on linux-kernel right
now.  It seems that a kernel developer has run into an address book bug,
and it's making claws look a bit bad; I wonder how hard this would be to
fix?  

In short, if you have an email address like:

	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw at rjwysocki.net>

Somehow the address book strips the quotes; the resulting address is not
SMTP-correct and causes the mail to be bounced in places.

Thanks,

jon

Begin forwarded message:

Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:30:47 -0400
From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt at goodmis.org>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp at alien8.de>
Cc: David Miller <davem at davemloft.net>, linux-kernel at vger.kernel.org,
torvalds at linux-foundation.org, tglx at linutronix.de, mingo at kernel.org,
peterz at infradead.org, hpa at linux.intel.com, williams at redhat.com,
akpm at linux-foundation.org, "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck at linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] x86: Lazy disabling of interrupts


On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:03:00 +0200
Borislav Petkov <bp at alien8.de> wrote:

 
> That's strange - I see
> 
> "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa at linux.intel.com>
> 
> in the CC list here. Did something get mangled on the way or is Claws
> acting outlook-like?
> 

I just looked at my Address book, and sure enough, when you save an
email with quotes, Claws will strip them when adding it to the address
book. If you use the address book to send email, then it will use it
without quotes. This can explain why Paul wasn't getting a lot of my
emails too :-/

-- Steve


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Oct 11 09:43:51 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:43:51 +0100
Subject: [Users] Stripping of quotes in email addresses in the address
 book
In-Reply-To: <20131010163934.261f7321@lwn.net>
References: <20131010163934.261f7321@lwn.net>
Message-ID: <20131011084351.7bf82947@thewildbeast>

On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 16:39:34 -0600
Jonathan Corbet <corbet-claws at lwn.net> wrote: 

> Somehow the address book strips the quotes; the resulting address
> is not SMTP-correct and causes the mail to be bounced in places.

AFAIK, there's no RFC that says a name with a dot in it should be
quoted for the SMTP server, and certainly most SMTP servers don't
have a problem with that.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From ricardo at mones.org  Fri Oct 11 09:46:03 2013
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:46:03 +0200
Subject: [Users] Stripping of quotes in email addresses in the address
 book
In-Reply-To: <20131010163934.261f7321@lwn.net>
References: <20131010163934.261f7321@lwn.net>
Message-ID: <20131011074603.GB22133@trasgu>

  Hi Jonathan,

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 04:39:34PM -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> Hey, clawsfolk, it's been a while since I posted here.
> 
> I wanted to draw your attention to a discussion on linux-kernel right
> now.  It seems that a kernel developer has run into an address book bug,
> and it's making claws look a bit bad; I wonder how hard this would be to
> fix?  
> 
> In short, if you have an email address like:
> 
> 	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw at rjwysocki.net>
> 
> Somehow the address book strips the quotes; the resulting address is not
> SMTP-correct and causes the mail to be bounced in places.

  Seems another instance of bug #2210¹.

  Curiously I've looked into fixing this sometime ago, but seems I didn't
manage to complete anything usable... let's try again ;)

  Thanks for the heads-up,

¹http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2210
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  Datei nicht gefunden                                     Fehler 404

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From ricardo at mones.org  Fri Oct 11 10:03:23 2013
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 10:03:23 +0200
Subject: [Users] Stripping of quotes in email addresses in the address
 book
In-Reply-To: <20131011084351.7bf82947@thewildbeast>
References: <20131010163934.261f7321@lwn.net>
	<20131011084351.7bf82947@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20131011080323.GC22133@trasgu>

On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 08:43:51AM +0100, Paul wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 16:39:34 -0600
> Jonathan Corbet <corbet-claws at lwn.net> wrote: 
> 
> > Somehow the address book strips the quotes; the resulting address
> > is not SMTP-correct and causes the mail to be bounced in places.
> 
> AFAIK, there's no RFC that says a name with a dot in it should be
> quoted for the SMTP server, and certainly most SMTP servers don't
> have a problem with that.

  Well, RFC 2822¹ §4.1 “Miscellaneous obsolete tokens” seem to explicitly
say the opposite.

  regards,

¹http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2822.txt
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out.            Unknown

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From colin at colino.net  Fri Oct 11 10:16:11 2013
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 10:16:11 +0200
Subject: [Users] Stripping of quotes in email addresses in the address
 book
In-Reply-To: <20131011074603.GB22133@trasgu>
References: <20131010163934.261f7321@lwn.net> <20131011074603.GB22133@trasgu>
Message-ID: <20131011101611.02d4d228@colin>

On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:46:03 +0200, Ricardo Mones <ricardo at mones.org>
wrote:

>   Curiously I've looked into fixing this sometime ago, but seems I
> didn't manage to complete anything usable... let's try again ;)

Cool, thanks Ricardo, I'd have given it a look but I really have no
time these days...

-- 
Colin


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Oct 11 10:16:15 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:16:15 +0100
Subject: [Users] Stripping of quotes in email addresses in the address
 book
In-Reply-To: <20131011080323.GC22133@trasgu>
References: <20131010163934.261f7321@lwn.net>
	<20131011084351.7bf82947@thewildbeast>
	<20131011080323.GC22133@trasgu>
Message-ID: <20131011091615.23d1baf0@thewildbeast>

On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 10:03:23 +0200
Ricardo Mones <ricardo at mones.org> wrote: 

>   Well, RFC 2822¹ §4.1 “Miscellaneous obsolete tokens” seem to
> explicitly say the opposite.

Ahh, thanks! I figured that, RFCs being what they are, I may have
missed something somewhere.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Oct 11 17:01:04 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:01:04 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2922] Retrieving/Sending causes the application to
	freeze
In-Reply-To: <bug-2922-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2922-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2922-595-UPauTmA3po@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2922

--- Comment #1 from Martin Adams <martin.adams at hetnet.nl> ---
I have this too BUT the freeze is permanent. It seems to download all the mails
the stops reacting with 100% CPU usage.

Happens every time even with a new installation.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Oct 11 17:30:22 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:30:22 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2668] claws freezes whenever it encounters POP3 error
 while hidden in notification area
In-Reply-To: <bug-2668-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2668-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2668-595-slG66WTw0z@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2668

--- Comment #3 from Martin Adams <martin.adams at hetnet.nl> ---
This happens to me with or with out the icon in the system tray and it happens
with NO SSL. Every time it downloads messages.
Windows 7 x64 Clawsmail 3.9.1

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Oct 11 17:43:59 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:43:59 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2668] claws freezes whenever it encounters POP3 error
 while hidden in notification area
In-Reply-To: <bug-2668-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2668-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2668-595-JkRUJZvILD@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2668

--- Comment #4 from Martin Adams <martin.adams at hetnet.nl> ---
Here the crash log from windows...
Version = 1
Event Type = Apphangb1
Event Time = 130259795530120326
Report Type = 3
Consent = 1
ReportIdentifier = 46b0a03a - 328B - B522 - 11e3 - 005056c00008
IntegratorReportIdentifier = 46b0a03b - 328B - B522 - 11e3 - 005056c00008
WOW64 = 1
Response.type = 4
Sig [ 0 ] . Name = Application Name
Sig [ 0 ] . Value = claws- mail.exe
Sig [ 1 ] . Name = Application Version
Sig [ 1 ] . Value = 0.0.0.0
Sig . [2] Name = Application Timestamp
Sig [ 2]. Value = 5252cd9d
Sig [ 3 ] . Name = Signature of jam
Sig [ 3]. Value = 142d
Sig . [4] Name = Type jams
Sig [ 4]. Value = 0
DynamicSig [ 1 ] . Name = OS Version
DynamicSig [ 1 ] . Value = 6.1.7601.2.1.0.768.3
DynamicSig . [2] Name = Locale ID
DynamicSig [ 2]. Value = 1043
DynamicSig . [22] Name = Additional signature 1
DynamicSig [ 22 ] . Value = 142de44b3459a9e083f3642d8dd27672
DynamicSig . [23] Name = Additional signature 2
DynamicSig [ 23 ] . Value = d862
DynamicSig [ 24 ] . Name = Additional signature 3
DynamicSig [ 24]. Value = d8627e9ac80f9932894028bb2cd63d64
DynamicSig . [25] Name = Additional signature 4
DynamicSig [ 25]. Value = 142d
DynamicSig . [26] Name = Additional signature 5
DynamicSig [ 26 ] . Value = 142de44b3459a9e083f3642d8dd27672
DynamicSig . [27] Name = Additional signature 6
DynamicSig [ 27 ] . Value = d862
DynamicSig [ 28 ] . Name = Additional signature 7
DynamicSig [ 28 ] . Value = d8627e9ac80f9932894028bb2cd63d64
UI [ 3 ] = claws- mail.exe unresponsive
UI [ 4 ] = There can be searched online for a solution . There is information
may be lost when you close the program .
UI [5 ] = Online to find a solution and close the program
UI [ 6 ] = Online to find a solution and close the program
UI [ 7 ] = Close the program
Loaded Module [0 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ claws-
mail.exe
Loaded Module [1 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ ntdll.dll
Loaded Module [2 ] = C : \ Windows \ syswow64 \ kernel32.dll
Loaded Module [3 ] = C : \ Windows \ syswow64 \ KERNELBASE.dll
Loaded Module [4 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libcairo -
2.dll
Loaded Module [5 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libfontconfig
- 1.dll
Loaded Module [ 6 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libexpat -
1.dll
Loaded Module [7 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ msvcrt.dll
Loaded Module [8 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ freetype6.dll
Loaded Module [ 9 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libpng14 -
14.dll
Loaded Module [10 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ zlib1.dll
Loaded Module [11 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ gdi32.dll
Loaded Module [12 ] = C : \ Windows \ syswow64 \ USER32.dll
Loaded Module [13 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ advapi32.dll
Loaded Module [14 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ sechost.dll
Loaded Module [15 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ Rpcrt4.dll
Loaded Module [16 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ SspiCli.dll
Loaded Module [17 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ CRYPTBASE.dll
Loaded Module [18 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ LPK.dll
Loaded Module [19 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ USP10.dll
Loaded Module [ 20 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ MSIMG32.DLL
Loaded Module [21 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libpango -1.0
- 0.dll
Loaded Module [22 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libglib -2.0
- 0.dll
Loaded Module [23 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libintl -
8.dll
Loaded Module [24 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libiconv -
2.dll
Loaded Module [25 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ ole32.dll
Loaded Module [26 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ SHELL32.DLL
Loaded Module [27 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ SHLWAPI.DLL
Loaded Module [28 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ winmm.dll
Loaded Module [29 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ WS2_32.dll
Loaded Module [30 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ NSI.dll
Loaded Module [31 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libgmodule
-2.0 - 0.dll
Loaded Module [32 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libgobject
-2.0 - 0.dll
Loaded Module [33 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libffi -
6.dll
Loaded Module [34 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libpangocairo
-1.0 - 0.dll
Loaded Module [ 35 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libpangoft2
-1.0 - 0.dll
Loaded Module [36 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libpangowin32
-1.0 - 0.dll
Loaded Module [37 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \
pthreadGC2.dll
Loaded Module [38 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ WSOCK32.DLL
Loaded Module [39 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libenchant -
1.dll
Loaded Module [40 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libgdk_pixbuf
-2.0 - 0.dll
Loaded Module [41 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libgio -2.0 -
0.dll
Loaded Module [42 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ Dnsapi.dll

Loaded Module [44 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libgnutls -
26.dll
Loaded Module [ 45 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libgcrypt -
11.dll
Loaded Module [46 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libgpg
-error- 0.dll
Loaded Module [47 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libtasn1 -
3.dll
Loaded Module [ 48 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libgdk -
win32 -2.0 - 0.dll
Loaded Module [49 ] = C : \ Windows \ syswow64 \ IMM32.DLL
Loaded Module [50 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ Msctf.dll
Loaded Module [51 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libgtk -
win32 -2.0 - 0.dll
Loaded Module [52 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libatk -1.0 -
0.dll
Loaded Module [53 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ intl.dll

Loaded Module [ 55 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ COMDLG32.DLL
Loaded Module [56 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ Winspool.drv
Loaded Module [57 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libetpan -
13.dll
Loaded Module [58 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libregex -
1.dll
Loaded Module [59 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ Wldap32.dll
Loaded Module [ 60 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ CRYPTSP.dll
Loaded Module [61 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ Netapi32.dll
Loaded Module [62 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ netutils.dll
Loaded Module [63 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ srvcli.dll
Loaded Module [ 64] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ wkscli.dll
Loaded Module [ 65 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ mswsock.dll
Loaded Module [ 66] = C : \ Windows \ System32 \ Wshtcpip.dll
Loaded Module [67 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ profapi.dll
Loaded Module [68 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ uxtheme.dll
Loaded Module [69 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ lib \ gtk
-2.0 \ 2.10.0 \ engines \ libwimp.dll
Loaded Module [70 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ dwmapi.dll
Loaded Module [71 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ mscms.dll
Loaded Module [ 72 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ Userenv.dll
Loaded Module [ 73] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ icm32.dll
Loaded Module [74 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ lib \ claws-
mail \ plugins \ address_keeper.dll
Loaded Module [75 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ lib \ claws-
mail \ plugins \ att_remover.dll
Loaded Module [ 76] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ lib \ claws-
mail \ plugins \ attachwarner.dll
Loaded Module [ 77] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ lib \ claws-
mail \ plugins \ bsfilter.dll
Loaded Module [78 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ lib \ claws-
mail \ plugins \ fetchinfo.dll
Loaded Module [79 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ lib \ claws-
mail \ plugins \ gtkhtml2_viewer.dll
Loaded Module [80 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libcurl -
4.dll
Loaded Module [81 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libxml2 -
2.dll
Loaded Module [ 82 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ lib \ claws-
mail \ plugins \ notification.dll
Loaded Module [83 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ lib \ claws-
mail \ plugins \ pgpcore.dll
Loaded Module [ 84] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libgpgme -
11.dll
Loaded Module [ 85 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ libassuan -
0.dll
Loaded Module [ 86 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ apphelp.dll
Loaded Module [87 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ lib \ claws-
mail \ plugins \ pgpinline.dll
Loaded Module [88 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ lib \ claws-
mail \ plugins \ pgpmime.dll

Loaded Module [90 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ oleaut32.dll
Loaded Module [ 91] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ Setupapi.dll
Loaded Module [ 92 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ CFGMGR32.dll
Loaded Module [ 93 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ DEVOBJ.dll
Loaded Module [ 94 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ clbcatq.dll
Loaded Module [95 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ propsys.dll
Loaded Module [96 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ ntmarta.dll
Loaded Module [97 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ NLAapi.dll
Loaded Module [ 98 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ napinsp.dll
Loaded Module [ 99 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ pnrpnsp.dll
Loaded Module [100 ] = C : \ Windows \ System32 \ winrnr.dll
Loaded Module [ 101] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ Common Files \ Microsoft
Shared \ Windows Live \ WLIDNSP.DLL
Loaded Module [102 ] = C : \ Windows \ SysWOW64 \ PSAPI.DLL
Loaded Module [ 103 ] = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ Bonjour \ mdnsNSP.dll
Loaded Module [ 104 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ iphlpapi.dll
Loaded Module [ 105 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ WINNSI.DLL
Loaded Module [ 106 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ wshbth.dll
Loaded Module [107 ] = C : \ Windows \ System32 \ Fwpuclnt.dll
Loaded Module [108 ] = C : \ Windows \ system32 \ rasadhlp.dll
Friendly Event Name = Does not respond anymore and is closed
ConsentKey = AppHangXProcB1
AppName = claws- mail.exe
AppPath = C : \ Program Files ( x86 ) \ GNU \ GnuPG \ claws- mail.exe
Report Description = A problem has ensured that this program is no longer
communicating with Windows

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From boudiccas at talktalk.net  Sat Oct 12 00:31:58 2013
From: boudiccas at talktalk.net (Sharon Kimble)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 23:31:58 +0100
Subject: [Users] yahoo's garbage
Message-ID: <20131011233158.05d3c3f2@london>

I'm seeing lots of emails like this over the last week - 
=================================
Subject: [wikidPad] Technique or plugin to get word counts?
Date: 11 Oct 2013 15:01:32 -0700
Reply-To: wikidPad at yahoogroups.com
Sender: wikidPad at yahoogroups.com
X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster

SGVsbG8sDQoNCklzIHRoZXJlIGEgd2F5IHRvIGdldCB0aGUgd29yZCBjb3VudHMgZm9yIGEg
cGFydGljdWxhciBhcnRpY2xlPyBJJ3ZlIGJlZW4gdGhyb3VnaCBhbGwgdGhlIG1lbnVzIGFu
ZCBoYXZlbid0IHNlZW4gYW55dGhpbmcuDQoNClRoYW5rcyENCk1hcms=
==================================

which, if you click the text/html icon to the right of claws-mail, you
get the html version of the email which was previously covered up by
garbage! This is what that email actually said -
==================================
Hello,

Is there a way to get the word counts for a particular article? I've
been through all the menus and haven't seen anything.
==================================

The commonality is that all the emails are coming through from 'yahoo
groups'. This seems to have started about the time that yahoo changed
its desktop display. So, is it possible to have a new plugin, which will convert
the garbage into [A] plain text, or [B] html please?

Thanks
Sharon.
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From pf at pfortin.com  Sat Oct 12 01:39:56 2013
From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:39:56 -0400
Subject: [Users] yahoo's garbage
In-Reply-To: <20131011233158.05d3c3f2@london>
References: <20131011233158.05d3c3f2@london>
Message-ID: <20131011193956.2eb4190b@pfortin.com>

On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 23:31:58 +0100 Sharon Kimble wrote:

>I'm seeing lots of emails like this over the last week - 
>=================================
>Subject: [wikidPad] Technique or plugin to get word counts?
>Date: 11 Oct 2013 15:01:32 -0700
>Reply-To: wikidPad at yahoogroups.com
>Sender: wikidPad at yahoogroups.com
>X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster
>
>SGVsbG8sDQoNCklzIHRoZXJlIGEgd2F5IHRvIGdldCB0aGUgd29yZCBjb3VudHMgZm9yIGEg
>cGFydGljdWxhciBhcnRpY2xlPyBJJ3ZlIGJlZW4gdGhyb3VnaCBhbGwgdGhlIG1lbnVzIGFu
>ZCBoYXZlbid0IHNlZW4gYW55dGhpbmcuDQoNClRoYW5rcyENCk1hcms=
>==================================
>
>which, if you click the text/html icon to the right of claws-mail, you
>get the html version of the email which was previously covered up by
>garbage! This is what that email actually said -
>==================================
>Hello,
>
>Is there a way to get the word counts for a particular article? I've
>been through all the menus and haven't seen anything.
>==================================
>
>The commonality is that all the emails are coming through from 'yahoo
>groups'. This seems to have started about the time that yahoo changed
>its desktop display. So, is it possible to have a new plugin, which will
>convert the garbage into [A] plain text, or [B] html please?
>
>Thanks
>Sharon.

It's just base64 encoding.  Paul answered a similar question in 2009:
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.sylpheed.claws.general/41591

It may be possible to write an filter/action/script to "fix" the message;
but there may be more convolutions than is worth dealing with...

Pierre



From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Tue Oct 15 01:38:49 2013
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 19:38:49 -0400
Subject: [Users] yahoo's garbage
In-Reply-To: <20131011193956.2eb4190b@pfortin.com>
References: <20131011233158.05d3c3f2@london>
	<20131011193956.2eb4190b@pfortin.com>
Message-ID: <20131014193849.0a0199ce@mydesk>

On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:39:56 -0400
Pierre Fortin <pf at pfortin.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 23:31:58 +0100 Sharon Kimble wrote:
> 
> >I'm seeing lots of emails like this over the last week - 
> >=================================
> >Subject: [wikidPad] Technique or plugin to get word counts?
> >Date: 11 Oct 2013 15:01:32 -0700
> >Reply-To: wikidPad at yahoogroups.com
> >Sender: wikidPad at yahoogroups.com
> >X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster
> >
> >SGVsbG8sDQoNCklzIHRoZXJlIGEgd2F5IHRvIGdldCB0aGUgd29yZCBjb3VudHMgZm9yIGEg
> >cGFydGljdWxhciBhcnRpY2xlPyBJJ3ZlIGJlZW4gdGhyb3VnaCBhbGwgdGhlIG1lbnVzIGFu
> >ZCBoYXZlbid0IHNlZW4gYW55dGhpbmcuDQoNClRoYW5rcyENCk1hcms=
> >==================================
> >
> >which, if you click the text/html icon to the right of claws-mail,
> >you get the html version of the email which was previously covered
> >up by garbage! This is what that email actually said -
> >==================================
> >Hello,
> >
> >Is there a way to get the word counts for a particular article? I've
> >been through all the menus and haven't seen anything.
> >==================================
> >
> >The commonality is that all the emails are coming through from 'yahoo
> >groups'. This seems to have started about the time that yahoo changed
> >its desktop display. So, is it possible to have a new plugin, which
> >will convert the garbage into [A] plain text, or [B] html please?
> >
> >Thanks
> >Sharon.
> 
> It's just base64 encoding.  Paul answered a similar question in 2009:
> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.mail.sylpheed.claws.general/41591
> 
> It may be possible to write an filter/action/script to "fix" the
> message; but there may be more convolutions than is worth dealing
> with...
> 
> Pierre

I've narrowed the commonality a little more. It seems like all the
base64 body messages have an X-Mailer value of "Yahoo Groups Message
Poster". Other emails on the same list not having that X-Mailer come
through just fine.

As you mentioned, Thunderbird displays these messages just fine, but
then again, it displays them in HTML format, which isn't what I want.

So, in configuration->Actions, I made an action called yahoo_fix, with
the following command:

|base64 -b|

Then, configuration->Preferences->Toolbars->Mainwindow I made a new
user action toolbar button, which calls my yahoo_fix action. Now, on
receiving a yahoo contaminated email, I highlight the body, click the
yahoo_fix button, and bang, I can read it. I put the button on the
message toolbar too so if I didn't want to keep doing this when I
referred back to a message, I could just open it in a separate window.

Be aware that you must highlight the body. If you do this action to the
whole email, you'll get an error message saying "base 64, bad input".

HTH,

SteveT


Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


From thaddeus.nielsen at gmx.us  Tue Oct 15 05:47:45 2013
From: thaddeus.nielsen at gmx.us (Thaddeus Nielsen)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:47:45 -0500
Subject: [Users] libarchive.so.2 not found
Message-ID: <20131014224745.1efa529a@mathetes.localdomain>

Upgraded slackware64-current today (now version 14.1).  Afterwards,
claws-mail 3.9.2 (compiled on my machine) would not run, puking
because it could find no file named libarchive.so.2.  As a dirty little
workaround, I soft-linked that to /usr/lib64/libarchive.so.13.1.2 and
we're running OK for the time being.  Other suggestions welcome.

	T.



From ricardo at mones.org  Tue Oct 15 10:05:19 2013
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:05:19 +0200
Subject: [Users] libarchive.so.2 not found
In-Reply-To: <20131014224745.1efa529a@mathetes.localdomain>
References: <20131014224745.1efa529a@mathetes.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20131015080519.GB15370@trasgu>

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:47:45PM -0500, Thaddeus Nielsen wrote:
> Upgraded slackware64-current today (now version 14.1).  Afterwards,
> claws-mail 3.9.2 (compiled on my machine) would not run, puking
> because it could find no file named libarchive.so.2.  As a dirty little
> workaround, I soft-linked that to /usr/lib64/libarchive.so.13.1.2 and
> we're running OK for the time being.  Other suggestions welcome.

  You should rebuild software you have compiled when upgrading libs, to be
sure the interfaces remain the same. If a library shifts number it's because
there's some change, so your workaround is prone to fail sooner or later at
runtime.

  regards,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but 
  that's not why we do it.                            Richard Feynman
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From alois.mahdal.1-ndmail at zxcvb.cz  Tue Oct 15 11:48:49 2013
From: alois.mahdal.1-ndmail at zxcvb.cz (Alois Mahdal)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 11:48:49 +0200
Subject: [Users] Mute "connection failed" error
In-Reply-To: <20131006121809.0e52788d@thewildbeast>
References: <4623cc80b1defc1bf9277efd54ed82b7@zxcvb.cz>
	<20131006121809.0e52788d@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <41ee8c2d08c243daeb6b3bf4e23f10ac@zxcvb.cz>

On 2013-10-06 13:18, Paul wrote:
> I presume that you are talking about the connection error dialogue.
> If this is the case then you can turn on the option "Don't popup
> error dialogue on receive error" which you will find on the
> '/Configuration/Preferences/Mail handling/Receiving' page

This is exactly what I was looking for.  (And had in front of my
eyes all the time .-))

Thanks!
aL.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Oct 15 14:40:53 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:40:53 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3012] New: smtp for gmx.net no longer working
Message-ID: <bug-3012-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3012

            Bug ID: 3012
           Summary: smtp for gmx.net no longer working
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail (Windows)
           Version: 3.9.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Windows XP
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: t.st at alice.de

Maybe sombody can help ?!

i've installed gpg4win 2.2.0 end of August on several PC's with the same
gmx.net-adress (only this one account) in claws mail and for many weeks it
works fine with and without PGP/MIME.
These PC's working with WinXP, Win7proX64 and Win7ultimateX64.
But without changing anything, they all stop sending smtp-messages with the
same Problem: ESMTP> EHLO unknown.
I've updated to gpg4win 2.2.1 and also tried claws mail 3.9.2 - nothing
changed.
With same settings, the gmx.net-account works fine in WindowsLiveMail,
Thunderbird and Outlook 2003/2007/2010 (GnuOL and PGP works too in all
Outlooks)...

gmx.net-settings:
pop3 pop.gmx.net  ssl-port 995
smtp mail.gmx.net ssl-port 465

i've tried every possible setting in claws mail with/without ssl, but i get
everytime the same errorlog:

* Konto 'pop.gmx.net': Verbinde mit POP3-Server: pop.gmx.net:995...
[14:00:57] POP3< +OK POP server ready H migmx108 0MVSgh-1VG8is0mBK-00Y6XU
[14:00:57] POP3> USER example at gmx.net
[14:00:57] POP3< +OK password required for user "example at gmx.net"
[14:00:57] POP3> PASS ********
[14:00:57] POP3< +OK mailbox "example at gmx.net" has 24 messages (1628605 octets)
H migmx108
[14:00:57] POP3> STAT
[14:00:57] POP3< +OK 24 1628605
[14:00:57] POP3> UIDL
[14:00:57] POP3< +OK
[14:00:57] POP3> LIST
[14:00:57] POP3< +OK
[14:00:57] POP3> RETR 23
[14:00:57] POP3< +OK
[14:00:57] POP3> RETR 24
[14:00:57] POP3< +OK
[14:00:57] POP3> QUIT
[14:00:58] POP3< +OK POP server signing off
* Konto: 'pop.gmx.net': Verbinde mit SMTP-Server: mail.gmx.net:465...
[14:04:36] SMTP< 220 gmx.com (mrgmx103) Nemesis ESMTP Service ready
[14:04:36] ESMTP> EHLO unknown
[14:04:36] ESMTP< 550-Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable
** Fehler bei der SMTP-Sitzung
*** Fehler beim Senden der Nachricht:
550-Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Oct 15 14:56:37 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:56:37 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3012] smtp for gmx.net no longer working
In-Reply-To: <bug-3012-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3012-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3012-595-hlRUmm9bwA@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3012

--- Comment #1 from Michael Rasmussen <mir at datanom.net> ---
Hi,

If I am not mistaken there have been a recent fix to claws-mail solving
problems with connecting to gmx.net. The fix is only available in GIT until a
newer package is build. I do not know your skills in building claws-mail and
especially claws-mail on Windows but if you are not able to do that you will
have to wait until Colin releases a new Windows package. I have no knowledge of
building claws-mail on Windows so I am not able to help you further.

Commit:
http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=1907a085b18ccb65520d1f51d4f98164b1013496

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Oct 15 15:12:45 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:12:45 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3012] smtp for gmx.net no longer working
In-Reply-To: <bug-3012-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3012-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3012-595-KV7fsVhlVW@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3012

--- Comment #2 from t.st at alice.de ---
Hi Michael,

thank you very much, simple changes but i've never done it before and no tools
installed for that, i think it's better to wait...

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Oct 15 16:27:52 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 14:27:52 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3012] smtp for gmx.net no longer working
In-Reply-To: <bug-3012-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3012-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3012-595-Q0hpHzyXnc@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3012

--- Comment #3 from t.st at alice.de ---
OK thanks, Domainname "localhost" is working, but now smtp-communication stopps
at this Point:

* Konto 'example at gmx.net': Verbinde mit POP3-Server: pop.gmx.net:995...
[16:15:12] POP3< +OK POP server ready H migmx005 0M75hT-1VionQ2VxW-00wY7t
[16:15:12] POP3> USER example at gmx.net
[16:15:12] POP3< +OK password required for user "example at gmx.net"
[16:15:12] POP3> PASS ********
[16:15:13] POP3< +OK mailbox "example at gmx.net" has 24 messages (1628605 octets)
H migmx005
[16:15:13] POP3> STAT
[16:15:13] POP3< +OK 24 1628605
[16:15:13] POP3> UIDL
[16:15:13] POP3< +OK
[16:15:13] POP3> LIST
[16:15:13] POP3< +OK
[16:15:13] POP3> RETR 21
[16:15:13] POP3< +OK
[16:15:13] POP3> RETR 22
[16:15:14] POP3< +OK
[16:15:15] POP3> RETR 23
[16:15:15] POP3< +OK
[16:15:15] POP3> RETR 24
[16:15:15] POP3< +OK
[16:15:16] POP3> QUIT
[16:15:16] POP3< +OK POP server signing off
* Konto: 'example at gmx.net': Verbinde mit SMTP-Server: mail.gmx.net:465...
[16:18:25] SMTP< 220 gmx.com (mrgmx001) Nemesis ESMTP Service ready
[16:18:25] ESMTP> EHLO localhost
[16:18:25] ESMTP< 250-gmx.com Hello localhost [84.190.166.32]
[16:18:25] ESMTP< 250-SIZE 69920427
[16:18:25] ESMTP< 250 AUTH LOGIN PLAIN
[16:18:25] ESMTP> AUTH LOGIN
[16:18:25] ESMTP< 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6
[16:18:25] ESMTP> [USERID]
[16:18:25] ESMTP< 334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6
[16:18:25] ESMTP> [PASSWORD]
[16:18:26] ESMTP< 235 Authentication succeeded
[16:18:26] ESMTP> MAIL FROM:<example at gmx.net> SIZE=2385
[16:18:26] SMTP< 250 Requested mail action okay, completed
[16:18:26] SMTP> RCPT TO:<example at o2mail.de>
[16:18:26] SMTP< 550-Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable
** Fehler bei der SMTP-Sitzung
*** Fehler beim Senden der Nachricht:
550-Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Oct 15 16:31:51 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 14:31:51 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3012] smtp for gmx.net no longer working
In-Reply-To: <bug-3012-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3012-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3012-595-wFSRhaCiEd@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3012

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P.S.
Without PGP/MIME it is working, but i needed...

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Oct 15 18:49:52 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 16:49:52 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3013] New: New mail automatically marked as read when
 Claws still in tray, when receive dialog is shown
Message-ID: <bug-3013-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3013

            Bug ID: 3013
           Summary: New mail automatically marked as read when Claws still
                    in tray, when receive dialog is shown
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.9.2
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Plugins/Notification
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mozilla at virginmedia.com

With the following preferences:
- mark message as read when selected after 2 seconds;
- after checking for new mail go to inbox;
- show receive dialog only on manual receiving;
- notification icon in tray, minimise to tray, close to tray;
- Claws window closed and icon visible in the tray.

If I receive an email automatically, the tray indicates new mail and stays that
way.  If I receive new mail when checking manually, I get the dialog and then
the icon shows new mail.

However, if I am in a different folder to the one receiving mail, then receive
mail manually while Claws is minimised, the dialog shows, the icons indicates
new mail, then the icon goes back to nomail.  On opening Claws, the current
folder has changed to the one that received the message.

If the receive dialog is not displayed this doesn't happen.  So the receive
dialog is counted as Claws being open and so the message gets selected and then
marked as read?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct 16 12:31:59 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:31:59 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3014] New: The icon for folder drafts with hide unread
 messages is the same as when not hidden
Message-ID: <bug-3014-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3014

            Bug ID: 3014
           Summary: The icon for folder drafts with hide unread messages
                    is the same as when not hidden
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.9.2
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: minor
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Folder List
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mozilla at virginmedia.com

There is no indication when read messages in the drafts folder are hidden. 
There is no icon for this state and so it is easy to think the hidden drafts
just don't exist.

Probably the best solution is not to allow this setting on a drafts folder at
all.  Almost by definition, these messages have been seen.  But if the setting
is allowed then there should be an icon that indicates it.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct 16 13:33:54 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:33:54 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3015] New: SMTP-Error gmx.net - Domainname "localhost"
 not working with PGP - belongs to Bug 3012
Message-ID: <bug-3015-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3015

            Bug ID: 3015
           Summary: SMTP-Error gmx.net - Domainname "localhost" not
                    working with PGP - belongs to Bug 3012
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail (Windows)
           Version: 3.9.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Windows XP
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: t.st at alice.de

Hi,

thanks, Domainname "localhost" is working for standardmail, but i need
encryption with PGP/MIME.
SMTP-communication now stopped at this Point, has anyone an idea ?:

* Konto 'example at gmx.net': Verbinde mit POP3-Server: pop.gmx.net:995...
[16:15:12] POP3< +OK POP server ready H migmx005 0M75hT-1VionQ2VxW-00wY7t
[16:15:12] POP3> USER example at gmx.net
[16:15:12] POP3< +OK password required for user "example at gmx.net"
[16:15:12] POP3> PASS ********
[16:15:13] POP3< +OK mailbox "example at gmx.net" has 24 messages (1628605 octets)
H migmx005
[16:15:13] POP3> STAT
[16:15:13] POP3< +OK 24 1628605
[16:15:13] POP3> UIDL
[16:15:13] POP3< +OK
[16:15:13] POP3> LIST
[16:15:13] POP3< +OK
[16:15:13] POP3> RETR 21
[16:15:13] POP3< +OK
[16:15:13] POP3> RETR 22
[16:15:14] POP3< +OK
[16:15:15] POP3> RETR 23
[16:15:15] POP3< +OK
[16:15:15] POP3> RETR 24
[16:15:15] POP3< +OK
[16:15:16] POP3> QUIT
[16:15:16] POP3< +OK POP server signing off
* Konto: 'example at gmx.net': Verbinde mit SMTP-Server: mail.gmx.net:465...
[16:18:25] SMTP< 220 gmx.com (mrgmx001) Nemesis ESMTP Service ready
[16:18:25] ESMTP> EHLO localhost
[16:18:25] ESMTP< 250-gmx.com Hello localhost [84.190.166.32]
[16:18:25] ESMTP< 250-SIZE 69920427
[16:18:25] ESMTP< 250 AUTH LOGIN PLAIN
[16:18:25] ESMTP> AUTH LOGIN
[16:18:25] ESMTP< 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6
[16:18:25] ESMTP> [USERID]
[16:18:25] ESMTP< 334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6
[16:18:25] ESMTP> [PASSWORD]
[16:18:26] ESMTP< 235 Authentication succeeded
[16:18:26] ESMTP> MAIL FROM:<example at gmx.net> SIZE=2385
[16:18:26] SMTP< 250 Requested mail action okay, completed
[16:18:26] SMTP> RCPT TO:<example at o2mail.de>
[16:18:26] SMTP< 550-Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable
** Fehler bei der SMTP-Sitzung
*** Fehler beim Senden der Nachricht:
550-Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable

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From jan at willamowius.de  Wed Oct 16 17:21:54 2013
From: jan at willamowius.de (Jan Willamowius)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:21:54 +0200
Subject: [Users] Selecting the privacy system when replying
Message-ID: <20131016172154.7f684e3a.jan@willamowius.de>

Hi,

first of all, thanks for this great mailer! Especially the GPG
integration is great.

There is just one thing I'm missing: I have to use both GPG and S/Mime
in parallel. With the plugin I can set the default system fine, but
when I reply to a mail, I would prefer to use the same as the original
mail. A lot of times I forget to switch to the system the sender
prefers send it with my default.

Since a lot of other mailers have very crappy GPG integration its very
inconvenient for them to read the encrypted mail then.

Regards,
Jan

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 17 00:43:54 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:43:54 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3016] New: Messages encrypted with attachments or
 encrypted and signed are not properly indicated
Message-ID: <bug-3016-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3016

            Bug ID: 3016
           Summary: Messages encrypted with attachments or encrypted and
                    signed are not properly indicated
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.9.2
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message List
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mozilla at virginmedia.com

There is an icon in the "paper clip" column to indicate when a message is
encrypted and has an attachment, but such messages are just shown as being
encrypted.  In the message view, the mime icons, including the attachment, show
no indication of being encrypted although I know that the encrypted emblem used
to get pasted on (in Sylpheed?).

There is also an icon that should be shown in the same column to indicate when
a message is both encrypted and signed, but such messages are just shown as
being encrypted.  The mime icon has the signed emblem pasted in and a signature
attachment (with PGP mime) but no sign of an encrypted emblem.

There is no icon to indicate when a message is encrypted, signed, and has
attachments.  Such messages just show as being signed and having an attachment.
 The mime icons for both the plain text and attachment has the signed emblem
pasted in.

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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu Oct 17 04:06:28 2013
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:06:28 -0400
Subject: [Users] About the base64 problem with Yahoo
Message-ID: <20131016220628.48b7d0e5@mydesk>

Hi all,

Starting in early October, a lot of Yahoo email came in base64 in the
plain text part. I complained on a Yahoo list, and of course they
blamed Claws.

The problematic emails all have the following:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="whatever jibberish"

Content-Type:  text/plain;  charset=utf-8 
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 

The preceding two lines define the first part, the text part. Note that
if I click the little button to read the HTML part, it's readable.

Here's my question:

* What do the RFCs say about the necessity of a mail client decoding a
  text/plain; charset=utf-8 that's encoded base64. I'd love to be able
  to tell them "sorry, the RFC's say that's a no-no, the bug is with
  Yahoo for base64ing the text part of the message".

If the RFCs say an email client *should* convert the base64 in the plain
text part of an email, be aware that this is going to happen more and
more as more and more people are in Yahoo Groups. Yahoo has little
incentive to change, because most other clients either convert, or show
the HTML by default, or both.

Thanks,

SteveT

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From ghaverla at materialisations.com  Thu Oct 17 05:05:46 2013
From: ghaverla at materialisations.com (ghaverla)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:05:46 -0600
Subject: [Users] About the base64 problem with Yahoo
In-Reply-To: <20131016220628.48b7d0e5@mydesk>
References: <20131016220628.48b7d0e5@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20131016210546.466b993d@newmain.materia>

On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:06:28 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Starting in early October, a lot of Yahoo email came in base64 in the
> plain text part. I complained on a Yahoo list, and of course they
> blamed Claws.
> 
> The problematic emails all have the following:
> 
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>  boundary="whatever jibberish"
> 
> Content-Type:  text/plain;  charset=utf-8 
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 
> 
> The preceding two lines define the first part, the text part. Note
> that if I click the little button to read the HTML part, it's
> readable.
> 
> Here's my question:
> 
> * What do the RFCs say about the necessity of a mail client decoding a
>   text/plain; charset=utf-8 that's encoded base64. I'd love to be able
>   to tell them "sorry, the RFC's say that's a no-no, the bug is with
>   Yahoo for base64ing the text part of the message".

I didn't look into RFCs, but I seemed to have remembered that Base-64
isn't unique.  There are multiple versions of Base64.  The standard
Base64 encoding has + and / in it, and both of those means something
special in URLs.  I can easily imagine, that Yahoo is using some
alternate version of Base64.

Gord



From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 17 09:30:28 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:30:28 +0100
Subject: [Users] About the base64 problem with Yahoo
In-Reply-To: <20131016220628.48b7d0e5@mydesk>
References: <20131016220628.48b7d0e5@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20131017083028.5d3680e5@thewildbeast>

Hi Steve,

On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:06:28 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote: 

> The problematic emails all have the following:
> 
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>  boundary="whatever jibberish"
> 
> Content-Type:  text/plain;  charset=utf-8 
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 

Can you forward-as-attachment one these messages as an example?
Off-list, please. I'm curious to have a look at one of these.

with regards

Paul


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 17 11:45:39 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:45:39 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3013] New mail automatically marked as read when Claws
 still in tray, when receive dialog is shown
In-Reply-To: <bug-3013-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3013-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3013-595-B4QFHx7YUw@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3013

--- Comment #1 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
Re-reading this, I can see it might be a little confusing just what the bug is.
 To summarise, it is possible for new mail to arrive while the main window is
closed, but the tray icon will show no mail.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 17 11:52:08 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:52:08 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3017] New: Privacy emblem positioning is broken
Message-ID: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3017

            Bug ID: 3017
           Summary: Privacy emblem positioning is broken
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.9.2
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message View
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mozilla at virginmedia.com

The privacy emblem (encrypted, signed, etc). is intended to be displayed with
its bottom right corner 6 pixels to the right and 3 pixels below the bottom
right corner of the underlying mime type icon.  Thus there is a small overlap
of the bottom right corner of the mime icon.  This used to work, certainly in
the 2.* series.

Now the emblem is positioned with its top left corner 6 pixels to the right and
3 pixels below the top left corner of the mime icon.  Hence it sites squarely
over that icon and hides much of it.  This has been happening since at least
3.8.2 and probably earlier.

The bug is in stock_pixmap_widget_with_overlay in mimeview.c attempting to
calculate the height and width of the two icons using
gtk_widget_get_requisition, but getting the height and width of the emblem from
the mime type requisition.  So all the offset calculations cancel out just
leaving the 3/6 border pixels.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 17 12:00:34 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:00:34 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3017] Privacy emblem positioning is broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3017-595-yQOIy9tdNM@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3017

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
I've never seen any change in it. Maybe screenshots would help you explain the
problem that you perceive.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 17 14:47:14 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:47:14 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3017] Privacy emblem positioning is broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3017-595-djLAmDmmrD@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3017

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Emblems in default theme

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 17 14:47:42 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:47:42 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3017] Privacy emblem positioning is broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3017-595-dC6mFzgnSC@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3017

--- Comment #3 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
I've attached a screenshot of the default theme, but it is not very informative
because the emblem and mime type icon are approximately the same size, so it
doesn't much matter which corner the offset is calculated from.  With the small
encrypted padlock icon it is more obvious but that never appears for me (see
bug 3016).  Even so I don't think this is the desired effect.

So I've also attached a screenshot with the Everaldo kids theme which uses
larger mime type icons.  Here the emblem is clearly not overlapping the bottom
right corner, but offset slightly from the top left corner and therefore slap
in the middle of the mime type icon.

Lastly, I've attached a screenshot with the KDE4ish theme which uses a small
padlock icon as the emblem for signed mime types.  This appears almost exactly
centered in the mime type icon instead of overlapping the bottom right corner. 
You can see how it used to (is/was intended to) look many years ago at this
link:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ClawsMail-rs.png

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 17 14:48:40 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:48:40 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3017] Privacy emblem positioning is broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3017-595-DoDLe4vR7L@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3017

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Emblems in Everaldo Kids theme

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 17 14:49:24 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:49:24 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3017] Privacy emblem positioning is broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3017

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Emblems in KDE4ish theme

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 17 16:42:21 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:42:21 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3017] Privacy emblem positioning is broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3017-595-gf0s7m6GJ4@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3017

--- Comment #6 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
One further attachment.  This is how I believe the emblem is supposed to be
positioned, nestled in the bottom right corner just filling the (hard-coded) 6
pixel right border and 3 pixel bottom border around the mime type icon.  I
faked this up with my own theme by using transparent filler on the emblem icon.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 17 16:43:19 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:43:19 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3017] Privacy emblem positioning is broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3017-595-owme0vHsI4@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3017

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My understanding of the correct positioning

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 17 17:12:46 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:12:46 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3017] Privacy emblem positioning is broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3017-595-fzaiQvoyVj@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

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--- Comment #8 from Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> ---
No, what you see is what's meant to be!

It's supposed to start 6px from the left, 3px from the top :)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 17 17:14:17 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:14:17 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3015] SMTP-Error gmx.net - Domainname "localhost" not
 working with PGP - belongs to Bug 3012
In-Reply-To: <bug-3015-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3015-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3015-595-WxfN95hAto@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

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--- Comment #1 from Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> ---
This seems unrelated and due to the non-existence of the recipient's mail
address:
[16:18:26] SMTP> RCPT TO:<example at o2mail.de>
[16:18:26] SMTP< 550-Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 17 18:22:09 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:22:09 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3012] smtp for gmx.net no longer working
In-Reply-To: <bug-3012-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3012-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3012-595-liInAmIP8T@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3012

--- Comment #5 from Manfred Schmitt <claws at slashproc.org> ---
It looks like the GMX/Web.de spam-admins borked the antispam-rules:

https://www.heinlein-support.de/blog/mailserver/gmx-blockt-e-mail-adressen-ohne-aaaaa-record/

english version via google:
http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heinlein-support.de%2Fblog%2Fmailserver%2Fgmx-blockt-e-mail-adressen-ohne-aaaaa-record

Rough english translation:
Since a few days gmx.de/.net and web.de (-> same company) are blocking mails
from domains without A or AAAA Record but with correct MX Record (which should
be enough). The blocking based on irregular/invalid or not existing helo seems
to be a side effect.
The technicians are trying to resolve the issue but when it will be
fixed completely and/or working again on all servers is unclear.
I don't think the blocking has something to do with gnupg at all, try hard
enough and the mail will be sent successfully ;-)
I could at least sent some gnupg-encrypted testmails via GMX from within claws
without a problem.

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Oct 18 13:12:03 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:12:03 +0100
Subject: [Users] About the base64 problem with Yahoo
In-Reply-To: <20131016220628.48b7d0e5@mydesk>
References: <20131016220628.48b7d0e5@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20131018121203.6185afec@thewildbeast>

Hi Steve,

Thanks for sending an example off-list.

On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:06:28 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote: 

> Here's my question:
> 
> * What do the RFCs say about the necessity of a mail client
> decoding a text/plain; charset=utf-8 that's encoded base64. I'd
> love to be able to tell them "sorry, the RFC's say that's a no-no,
> the bug is with Yahoo for base64ing the text part of the message".
> 
> If the RFCs say an email client *should* convert the base64 in the
> plain text part of an email, be aware that this is going to happen
> more and more as more and more people are in Yahoo Groups. Yahoo
> has little incentive to change, because most other clients either
> convert, or show the HTML by default, or both.

The problem with yahoo's messages is this:

They should use this: "Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64"
But instead are using this: "Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 "

Note the extra space at the end.

The html part displays fine because on that part there is no extra
space. That is, on the html part they don't make the same mistake.

According to the RFC, this extra space at the end is not allowed.
See http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2045#section-6

I will add a workaround to Claws so that it ignores this space, but,
(my opinion of the RFC is that), it is yahoo who are at fault and not
Claws.

with regards

Paul


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From Theofilos at interia.pl  Fri Oct 18 13:59:48 2013
From: Theofilos at interia.pl (=?utf-8?q?Bogumi=c5=82=20Szma=c5=84da?=)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:59:48 +0000
Subject: [Users] problem with number in tne name
Message-ID: <eme6edf060-72b7-4634-a50a-0cbe9b6c1d25@AF3E>

Hello!

There is some problem with name account in Claws Mail.
If in the name is a number, the name is mistakenly sent to the server.
For example: m3jan at server.com.
mjan at server.com will be ok.

Regards
Theofilos




From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Oct 18 14:15:51 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:15:51 +0100
Subject: [Users] problem with number in tne name
In-Reply-To: <eme6edf060-72b7-4634-a50a-0cbe9b6c1d25@AF3E>
References: <eme6edf060-72b7-4634-a50a-0cbe9b6c1d25@AF3E>
Message-ID: <20131018131551.6f11e714@thewildbeast>

On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:59:48 +0000
Bogumił Szmańda <Theofilos at interia.pl> wrote: 

> There is some problem with name account in Claws Mail.
> If in the name is a number, the name is mistakenly sent to the
> server. For example: m3jan at server.com.
> mjan at server.com will be ok.

Works for me.

...unless there's something I don't understand from your description.

with regards

Paul


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Oct 18 16:34:16 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:34:16 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3017] Privacy emblem positioning is broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3017-595-DtF3nSgYTw@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3017

--- Comment #9 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
Please!  Can you keep a straight face when you say that?  Is passing a flag
called BOTTOM_RIGHT to a function that calculates the emblem position as the
difference of the widths (or heights) of the two icons plus twice the border
width (or height) really trying to offset from top left?  Just because it gets
it wrong and you have got used to the result doesn't mean it is what was
intended.

Still, I think I'd rather this doesn't change.  The current behaviour is
predictable across all recent versions and I can make my theme work with it.

Line 658 in stock_pixmap.c if you're interested, a whole function for
calculating overlaid icon offsets in any direction.  If you give it the right
icon size data :)

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From mat.winter at arcor.de  Fri Oct 18 16:36:21 2013
From: mat.winter at arcor.de (Matthias Winter)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 16:36:21 +0200
Subject: [Users] Save encrypted e-mails unencrypted
Message-ID: <20131018163621.1ee287f8@matux>

Dear all, especially dear developers,

I know there is an option to save sent mail in unencrypted form. But there is no option to do this for received mails. This is unfortunate since encrypted mails cannot be searched. I am not aware of any other mail client which can do that, but Hassles like this keep people (including me) from encrypting their mail.

Would you developers support such an addition to the pgp plugins?

I would try to implement it myself if you would help me with some advice:
- The logical point to implement it would be after decryption in pgpmime.c and pgpinline.c. Do you agree?
- The original e-mail file has to be replaced by one containing the header minus the Mime-Version and Content-Type headers plus the content of the plaintext.<id> file. How do I access the header from within the plugin? How do I determine the e-mail's file?

With an encrypted hard drive or mail directory saving mails as unencrypted text does not even compromise security. I've been asked if Claws-Mail can do this and think I might get some people to start using Claws if this were implemented ;-)

Regards,
Matthias




From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Oct 18 16:53:39 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:53:39 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3017] Privacy emblem positioning is broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3017-595-V8ClESCCUf@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3017

--- Comment #10 from Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> ---
Hi,

Rest assured I keep a really really straight face, as this is me who ported
this function to GTK+2.

OVERLAY_BOTTOM_RIGHT means we want the overlayed pixmap towards the bottom
right of the original one. Borders border_x and border_y have nothing to do
with offsets, but with borders.

see function do_pix_draw().

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From barry at python.org  Fri Oct 18 17:04:17 2013
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:04:17 -0400
Subject: [Users] About the base64 problem with Yahoo
References: <20131016220628.48b7d0e5@mydesk>
	<20131018121203.6185afec@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20131018110417.596f8de0@anarchist>

On Oct 18, 2013, at 12:12 PM, Paul wrote:

>I will add a workaround to Claws so that it ignores this space, but,
>(my opinion of the RFC is that), it is yahoo who are at fault and not
>Claws.

Thanks for the workaround and yay for Postel's Law.  I'm starting to see such
offending Yahoo email and it's annoying.  I'm not a Yahoo user so I don't know
if it's possible to file a bug on this, but I guess this is the least of their
worries at the moment. ;)

http://boingboing.net/2013/10/18/yahoo-mail-changes-anger-yahoo.html

-Barry
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Oct 18 17:24:40 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:24:40 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3017] Privacy emblem positioning is broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3017-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3017-595-61RDle2L5k@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3017

--- Comment #11 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
That isn't what the code does though.

For example, the algorithm (in do_pix_draw) for positioning "right" is the
width of the base icon minus the width of the overlay icon plus twice the
border.  If you want to describe this as positioning towards the right, then it
is positioning towards the right by the width of the sensitive area (base icon
plus two borders) minus the width of the overlay icon.  Any sensible person
would call that positioning at the right side of the area, but call it what you
will.

To visualise easily, take an extreme case with a 100px base icon, a 1px overlay
icon, and a 10px border.  The origin (left side of the overlay icon) becomes
119px.  The icon is crammed against the edge of the right border.  Only when
the two icons are approximately the same size does the algorithm reduce to
overlaying towards the right by the border width.

End result, the emblem is not positioned where this algorithm intends,
apparently because the wrong height and width data is passed in.  Try it with a
tiny emblem and a huge base icon and it is immediately obvious that something
is wrong.  The emblem is positioned near the left when the algorithm intends it
to be positioned near the right.  Maybe you've convinced yourself that's what
you want, but it isn't what the code was written to do.  To position as you
describe does not require the height and widths of the two icons, only the
offset amount, which is the width of the border.

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From rol at witbe.net  Fri Oct 18 18:56:59 2013
From: rol at witbe.net (Paul Rolland (=?UTF-8?B?44Od44O844Or44O744Ot44Op44Oz?=))
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:56:59 +0200
Subject: [Users] Save encrypted e-mails unencrypted
In-Reply-To: <20131018163621.1ee287f8@matux>
References: <20131018163621.1ee287f8@matux>
Message-ID: <20131018185659.749a6f0d@riri.DEF.witbe.net>

Hello,

On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 16:36:21 +0200
Matthias Winter <mat.winter at arcor.de> wrote:

> I know there is an option to save sent mail in unencrypted form. But
> there is no option to do this for received mails. This is unfortunate
> since encrypted mails cannot be searched. I am not aware of any other
> mail client which can do that, but Hassles like this keep people
> (including me) from encrypting their mail.

Well, I'm using :
 - encrypted HDD,
 - encrypted emails from time to time,
and I'd rather not have Claws storing them un-encrypted.

If that's a search problem, I'd prefer Claws to ask me the decryption key
while searching, and not sacrifice security (remember, even if your HDD is
encrypted, once the partition is mounted, the encryption doesn't protect
anymore the content for someone that can gain access to the machine :(

My $0.02,
Best,
Paul
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From mat.winter at arcor.de  Fri Oct 18 21:22:46 2013
From: mat.winter at arcor.de (Matthias Winter)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:22:46 +0200
Subject: [Users] Save encrypted e-mails unencrypted
In-Reply-To: <20131018185659.749a6f0d@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
References: <20131018163621.1ee287f8@matux>
	<20131018185659.749a6f0d@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
Message-ID: <20131018212246.264f07d8@matux>

Am Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:56:59 +0200
schrieb Paul Rolland (ポール・ロラン) <rol at witbe.net>:

> If that's a search problem, I'd prefer Claws to ask me the decryption key
> while searching, and not sacrifice security (remember, even if your HDD is
> encrypted, once the partition is mounted, the encryption doesn't protect
> anymore the content for someone that can gain access to the machine :(

That's a valid point and I agree that it would be a good feature, but most people don't even encrypt their hard drives. After all, your hard drive is usually private, while it is a fact that at least the British and US secret services search and store basically all e-mails sent and I would be very surprised if the Chinese, Russian and several more don't.
It is not only about searching. At some point you will always have to enter your password whenever you access an encrypted e-mail and that is just too inconvenient for most people.

On the other hand encrypting anything does not help you at all if your computer is infected by a Trojan, or if a secret camera is watching your screen, or if the alternative to telling your password is a life in prison or torture. The question is, where does encryption help the most? For most people this is during transmission of the e-mail. I just hope to get some more people (including me) to do that more often.

Saving unencrypted mails should not be the default, but it is a bit strange that there is an option to do this for sent mail, but not for received ones.

Thanks for your reply, I hope to have made my point more clear
Matthias


From rol at witbe.net  Sat Oct 19 14:18:15 2013
From: rol at witbe.net (Paul Rolland (=?UTF-8?B?44Od44O844Or44O744Ot44Op44Oz?=))
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 14:18:15 +0200
Subject: [Users] Save encrypted e-mails unencrypted
In-Reply-To: <20131018212246.264f07d8@matux>
References: <20131018163621.1ee287f8@matux>
	<20131018185659.749a6f0d@riri.DEF.witbe.net>
	<20131018212246.264f07d8@matux>
Message-ID: <20131019141815.16e1bee0@riri.DEF.witbe.net>

Hello,

On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:22:46 +0200
Matthias Winter <mat.winter at arcor.de> wrote:

> Saving unencrypted mails should not be the default, but it is a bit
> strange that there is an option to do this for sent mail, but not for
> received ones.
> 
> Thanks for your reply, I hope to have made my point more clear

You have ;)

Just one more comment, and then I'll leave it to the developpers ;)
The emails you send are composed unencrypted, this it is very easy to ask
user wether to store them encrypted or not.
The emails you received are stored as-is, at the time they are received.
Storing them unencrypted would require to ask you wether to do it for every
encrypted mail, to let you change the default, because the password is
needed. Plus, doing that is breaking the initial intent of the sender ;)

My last $0.02 on that subject ;)

Best,
Paul
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 00:07:20 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 22:07:20 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3018] New: Messages with inline PGP signature not
 marked as signed in the message list
Message-ID: <bug-3018-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3018

            Bug ID: 3018
           Summary: Messages with inline PGP signature not marked as
                    signed in the message list
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.9.2
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message List
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mozilla at virginmedia.com

Messages composed in Claws Mail and signed using the PGP/inline method can be
received in Claws and the message is understood to have a good signature.  The
mime type icon is marked with the signed/passed emblem and the signature
details appear at the bottom of the message.

However, the message list marked column does not indicate a signed message.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 00:30:22 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 22:30:22 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3018] Messages with inline PGP signature not marked as
 signed in the message list
In-Reply-To: <bug-3018-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3018-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3018-595-MsUeYlNNC9@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3018

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--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
It displays in the 'attachment' column, not the 'marked' column

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 00:41:24 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 22:41:24 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3019] New: Messages with inline PGP signature not
 flagged as signed in the message list
Message-ID: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3019

            Bug ID: 3019
           Summary: Messages with inline PGP signature not flagged as
                    signed in the message list
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.9.2
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message List
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mozilla at virginmedia.com

Messages composed in Claws Mail and signed using the PGP/inline method can be
received in Claws and the message is understood to have a good signature.  The
mime type icon is marked with the signed/passed emblem and the signature
details appear at the bottom of the message.

However, the message list attachment column does not indicate a signed message,
either by icon or by tooltip.

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From linxt at comcast.net  Sun Oct 20 08:16:25 2013
From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 06:16:25 +0000
Subject: [Users] Trash not being emptied on exit
Message-ID: <20131020061625.5446a46d@desktop-1.home>

Perhaps I've missed messages about this but can't find any.  I have the general
preferences (all accounts) set to delete messages in the trash folder on exit
but that is not being done.

I was just cleaning up various folders and noticed the trash folder had over
15k messages in it.  That is about 1½ years worth of messages that haven't been
deleted.  Is there another setting I'm missing or must it be done periodically
by the user?

Specs in signature block.

Thanks, Tom

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him like flies on a summer day.
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KDE 4.11.12, FF 24.0, claws-mail 3.9.2
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 11:13:34 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:13:34 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3019] Messages with inline PGP signature not flagged
 as signed in the message list
In-Reply-To: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3019-595-MMLiAhuO8I@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3019

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
Works for me. Can you show  a screenshot, with the default internal theme?

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 11:26:38 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 10:26:38 +0100
Subject: [Users] Trash not being emptied on exit
In-Reply-To: <20131020061625.5446a46d@desktop-1.home>
References: <20131020061625.5446a46d@desktop-1.home>
Message-ID: <20131020102638.074b9c0d@thewildbeast>

On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 06:16:25 +0000
Thomas Taylor <linxt at comcast.net> wrote: 

> Perhaps I've missed messages about this but can't find any.  I have
> the general preferences (all accounts) set to delete messages in
> the trash folder on exit but that is not being done.

Are you talking about an MH mailbox or an IMAP account? Either way it
works for me.

On the same preferences page, (other/miscellaneous), where you have
the 'empty trash on exit' option checked, also set the 'Ask before
emptying trash' option. Make sure you have at least 1 message in the
trash folder and quit. Do you see the dialogue asking you to confirm
emptying trash?

It may also be useful to start Claws with --debug and paste the
output from the moment you hit quit.

with regards

Paul


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 14:08:09 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:08:09 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3019] Messages with inline PGP signature not flagged
 as signed in the message list
In-Reply-To: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3019-595-bCpMI5I0YD@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3019

--- Comment #2 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
Created attachment 1305
  -->
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1305&action=edit
inline signed message lacking an indicator icon

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 14:11:08 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:11:08 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3019] Messages with inline PGP signature not flagged
 as signed in the message list
In-Reply-To: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3019-595-qoQiA4bJB8@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3019

--- Comment #3 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
I think this should show what is happening.  The preview pane shows that Claws
Mail understands and accepts the inline signature.  The message list has no
indication of the signature, but shows the signed icon for other messages with
the signature in a MIME attachment.  I thought the message was from Claws but
is apparently from Thunderbird.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 14:33:52 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:33:52 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3019] Messages with inline PGP signature not flagged
 as signed in the message list
In-Reply-To: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3019-595-oFli8qadmW@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3019

--- Comment #4 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
Please, if possible, forward-as-attachment, (privately), a message that
demonstrates this behaviour.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 15:27:24 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 13:27:24 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3016] Messages encrypted with attachments or encrypted
 and signed are not properly indicated
In-Reply-To: <bug-3016-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3016-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3016-595-j0T7E5aaIm@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3016

--- Comment #1 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
The icon legend shows the correct icon for the encrypted with attachments case,
just not the message list attachment column, so the icon is being found and
correctly imported but not picked up.  The encrypted and signed example is not
in the legend.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 15:31:40 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 13:31:40 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3019] Messages with inline PGP signature not flagged
 as signed in the message list
In-Reply-To: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3019-595-5ZdrTJZrcu@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3019

--- Comment #5 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
Forwarded ...

When I pressed the forward button, the correct icon appears in the paper-clip
column!  It stays until I restart Claws, then it is gone again.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 15:47:04 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 13:47:04 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3019] Messages with inline PGP signature not flagged
 as signed in the message list
In-Reply-To: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3019-595-5BlCY3LYi1@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3019

--- Comment #6 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
Thanks for forwarding the example.
Your example works absolutely fine and as expected for me.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 16:19:31 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:19:31 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3019] Messages with inline PGP signature not flagged
 as signed in the message list
In-Reply-To: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3019-595-SpjZarrdXZ@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3019

--- Comment #7 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
I've sent some inline-signed messages to myself and they work fine.  I also
forwarded the problem message, inline and as an attachment, and that works fine
too.  So the original message is damaged in some way?  Or something in my
settings when I received it?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 16:24:21 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:24:21 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3019] Messages with inline PGP signature not flagged
 as signed in the message list
In-Reply-To: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3019-595-sIWKWz43J7@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3019

--- Comment #8 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
I did find another issue with inline-signed messages.  Perhaps should be a
separate bug?  The signature should verify that the contents of the message are
as they were when the message was signed, but if extra text is entered on the
blank line between the HASH line and the rest of the message body then it is
still declared to be validly signed.  Changes anywhere else in the message body
result in a bad signature message.  The spec states that changes anywhere
between the start of the HASH line, or the start of the PGP SIGNED line if
there is no HASH line, and the signature should not be tolerated.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 18:03:26 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 16:03:26 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3019] Messages with inline PGP signature not flagged
 as signed in the message list
In-Reply-To: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3019-595-qTgodOsWkE@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3019

--- Comment #9 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
(In reply to comment #8)
> if extra text is entered
> on the blank line between the HASH line and the rest of the message body
> then it is still declared to be validly signed.

Even gpg used directly will tell you that that's a good sig. It's only when you
alter the text below that line that a bad sig is reported.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 18:11:18 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 16:11:18 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3016] Messages encrypted with attachments or encrypted
 and signed are not properly indicated
In-Reply-To: <bug-3016-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3016-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3016-595-aAf8qw3vtf@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3016

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
It depends on how the message block is created.

Normally the signature is within the encrypted block, so there is no way to
tell that the message is signed and encrypted.

The only way to see that icon is to sign an encrypted block.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 18:15:08 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 16:15:08 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3019] Messages with inline PGP signature not flagged
 as signed in the message list
In-Reply-To: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3019-595-Ip99gIpfSj@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3019

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |WORKSFORME

--- Comment #10 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
Since this cannot be reproduced and everything works as expected, closing this
as WORKSFORME.

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From anmeyer at anup.de  Sun Oct 20 18:32:51 2013
From: anmeyer at anup.de (Andreas Meyer)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 18:32:51 +0200
Subject: [Users] pop3-login
Message-ID: <20131020183251.4a6c6b86@itxnew.bitcorner.intern>

Hello!

Logging in to an IMAP-server I can choose the authentication-scheme.
Not so with POP3. Is there a way to also choose CRAM-MD5 for example
with a pop3-account?

Greetings

  Andreas



From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 18:37:36 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 16:37:36 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3016] Messages encrypted with attachments or encrypted
 and signed are not properly indicated
In-Reply-To: <bug-3016-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3016-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3016-595-jwn24jR3qA@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3016

--- Comment #3 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
Got it.  When I encrypted a message, then added a signature attachment
afterwards, an icon showed up :)  The wrong icon :(  I see the icon from the
default theme even when I am using a different theme with a different icon.  In
stock_pixmaps.c, the filename for this pixmap is given as key_gpg_signed_xpm
insstead of key_gpg_signed.  If I rename a theme icon from key_gpg_signed.png
to key_gpg_signed_xpm.png then it appears.

Still the encrypted and has attachments icon never shows on a message that is
encrypted and has attachments, only in the icon legend box.  Can't see why from
the code.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 18:58:04 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 16:58:04 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3016] Messages encrypted with attachments or encrypted
 and signed are not properly indicated
In-Reply-To: <bug-3016-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3016-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3016-595-lp1l81UzNA@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3016

--- Comment #4 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
Got the other one too, with clues from your explanation.

The "message is encrypted and has attachments" icon shows up when I send an
inline-encrypted message plus non-encrypted attachments.  It doesn't show up
when I use PGP-MIME to encrypt everything including the attachments.  I think
it should.  The attachments are detectable even if the content is not
understood.  The message view even shows each attachment separately (as
application/pgp-encrypted) even before they are decrypted.

Do we much care about inline-encrypted messages these days?  Isn't it mostly
Windows users that send them ;)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 20 21:22:10 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 19:22:10 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3019] Messages with inline PGP signature not flagged
 as signed in the message list
In-Reply-To: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3019-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3019-595-5bMHjCv9cV@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3019

--- Comment #11 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
gpg standalone (1.4.12 from Debian Wheezy) returns status code 2 and a message
that the armor header is invalid.  Return code 1 means bad signature, return
code 2 means unexpected error.  gpgv does the same.  I don't know about the
library API that I think Claws must use.

I've tried all sorts to reproduce the initial problem, but no joy.  It can't be
a very common thing, although usually when I say that it turns out to be
something painfully obvious.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Oct 21 00:11:43 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:11:43 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3016] Messages encrypted with attachments or encrypted
 and signed are not properly indicated
In-Reply-To: <bug-3016-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3016-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3016-595-g80DjfULMr@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3016

--- Comment #5 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
Still finding oddities.  In my sent folder message list signed emails,
including in combination with attachments, do not have an icon in the
paper-clip column until I select the message.  When I select the correct icon
appears.

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From linxt at comcast.net  Mon Oct 21 07:25:06 2013
From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 05:25:06 +0000
Subject: [Users] Trash not being emptied on exit
In-Reply-To: <20131020102638.074b9c0d@thewildbeast>
References: <20131020061625.5446a46d@desktop-1.home>
	<20131020102638.074b9c0d@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20131021052506.1b0c9bd5@desktop-1.home>

After setting the "Ask before emptying trash" button and testing the trash was
emptied.  I then un-checked that button and moved several hundred old messages
into the trash (MH) folder and that also worked.  I'm wondering if under
openSUSE, when I shut down the computer for the night, if CM goes into a
hibernation mode instead of actually shutting down.  I'll have to play with
that idea a bit and post the results.

Thanks, Tom
 

On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 10:26:38 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 06:16:25 +0000
> Thomas Taylor <linxt at comcast.net> wrote: 
> 
> > Perhaps I've missed messages about this but can't find any.  I have
> > the general preferences (all accounts) set to delete messages in
> > the trash folder on exit but that is not being done.
> 
> Are you talking about an MH mailbox or an IMAP account? Either way it
> works for me.
> 
> On the same preferences page, (other/miscellaneous), where you have
> the 'empty trash on exit' option checked, also set the 'Ask before
> emptying trash' option. Make sure you have at least 1 message in the
> trash folder and quit. Do you see the dialogue asking you to confirm
> emptying trash?
> 
> It may also be useful to start Claws with --debug and paste the
> output from the moment you hit quit.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
> 
> 



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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Oct 21 09:40:14 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:40:14 +0100
Subject: [Users] pop3-login
In-Reply-To: <20131020183251.4a6c6b86@itxnew.bitcorner.intern>
References: <20131020183251.4a6c6b86@itxnew.bitcorner.intern>
Message-ID: <20131021084014.5a06bfc1@thewildbeast>

On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 18:32:51 +0200
Andreas Meyer <anmeyer at anup.de> wrote: 

> Logging in to an IMAP-server I can choose the authentication-scheme.
> Not so with POP3. Is there a way to also choose CRAM-MD5 for example
> with a pop3-account?

Yes, select it from Authentication Method drop-down on the Send page
of the account preferences.

with regards

Paul


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but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From anmeyer at anup.de  Mon Oct 21 11:34:54 2013
From: anmeyer at anup.de (Andreas Meyer)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:34:54 +0200
Subject: [Users] pop3-login
In-Reply-To: <20131021084014.5a06bfc1@thewildbeast>
References: <20131020183251.4a6c6b86@itxnew.bitcorner.intern>
	<20131021084014.5a06bfc1@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20131021113454.1236b96f@itxnew.bitcorner.intern>

Hello!

Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 18:32:51 +0200
> Andreas Meyer <anmeyer at anup.de> wrote: 
> 
> > Logging in to an IMAP-server I can choose the authentication-scheme.
> > Not so with POP3. Is there a way to also choose CRAM-MD5 for example
> > with a pop3-account?
> 
> Yes, select it from Authentication Method drop-down on the Send page
> of the account preferences.

On the send page? There I can choose SMTP Auth Method. With an IMAP-account
on the receive page I can choose the authmethod, not so for a pop3-account.

> with regards
> 
> Paul

  Andreas


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Oct 21 11:45:35 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:45:35 +0100
Subject: [Users] pop3-login
In-Reply-To: <20131021113454.1236b96f@itxnew.bitcorner.intern>
References: <20131020183251.4a6c6b86@itxnew.bitcorner.intern>
	<20131021084014.5a06bfc1@thewildbeast>
	<20131021113454.1236b96f@itxnew.bitcorner.intern>
Message-ID: <20131021104535.2ea92e77@thewildbeast>

On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:34:54 +0200
Andreas Meyer <anmeyer at anup.de> wrote: 

> On the send page? There I can choose SMTP Auth Method. With an
> IMAP-account on the receive page I can choose the authmethod, not
> so for a pop3-account.

D'oh! I was obviously still half asleep, sorry :-)

with regards

Paul


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From lsvava at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 21 12:49:30 2013
From: lsvava at hotmail.com (Lars)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:49:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Users] Extreme slowness with Exchange 2013 and IMAP,
	SOLVED (ish)
References: <20130825191311.22fb9691@stchupack-m4700.dealerdotcom.corp>
	<20130825193538.5b8d1688@scorpio>
	<20130825201202.576c729d@stchupack-m4700.dealerdotcom.corp>
	<20130826070948.65ef7473@scorpio>
Message-ID: <loom.20131021T124634-284@post.gmane.org>



Hi



What are the EMS command to change the values to unlimited for ImapMaxBurst 
and ImapRechargeRate



Regards



Lars



From boudiccas at talktalk.net  Mon Oct 21 13:59:29 2013
From: boudiccas at talktalk.net (Sharon Kimble)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:59:29 +0100
Subject: [Users] imap setup
Message-ID: <20131021125929.596ebd40@london>

I've just created two new imap setups, but how do I create the folders
to show in the Folder tree please? 

Thanks
Sharon.
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Oct 21 15:36:56 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:36:56 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3016] Messages encrypted with attachments or encrypted
 and signed are not properly indicated
In-Reply-To: <bug-3016-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3016-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3016-595-yaqKOcZIYK@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3016

--- Comment #6 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
The tooltip associated with the icon for an inline-encrypted message body with
a signature attachment is simply "Signed".  It should probably be something
more explanatory as to why this strange symbol shows up.  "Signed and
encrypted" at a minimum, but preferably something more like "Signed,
inline-encrypted" or "Signed, message text encrypted".

Along the same lines, as currently defined, the tooltip (and icon legend) for
signed and having attachments (if it is going to continue only be shown in the
specific instance of an inline-encrypted message body and non-encrypted
attachments, should indicate that fact.  For example: "Encrypted, non-encrypted
attachment(s)".  Possibly even the simply encrypted tooltip that appears for
mime-encrypted messages could then indicate that such a message might well
include attachments and a signature.

Further to that case, the emblem that is shown on the message body never
indicates that it is encrypted (for example, if the decryption fails or is
cancelled) because it always receives a pgp_signed emblem of some sort.  Not
easy to change though, it would probably require two emblems.  That would give
the option to have en emblem for decrypted attachments though, which might be
nice.

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From boudiccas at talktalk.net  Mon Oct 21 16:29:51 2013
From: boudiccas at talktalk.net (Sharon Kimble)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:29:51 +0100
Subject: [Users] imap setup
In-Reply-To: <20131021125929.596ebd40@london>
References: <20131021125929.596ebd40@london>
Message-ID: <20131021152951.77b26d80@london>

On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:59:29 +0100
Sharon Kimble <boudiccas at talktalk.net> wrote:

> I've just created two new imap setups, but how do I create the folders
> to show in the Folder tree please? 
> 
I attach a screen-shot of the part of the folder tree showing what I
have but I'm looking for an inbox, outbox, sent, etc, just the usual
sort of folders.

Thanks
Sharon.
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Oct 21 16:46:34 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:46:34 +0100
Subject: [Users] imap setup
In-Reply-To: <20131021152951.77b26d80@london>
References: <20131021125929.596ebd40@london> <20131021152951.77b26d80@london>
Message-ID: <20131021154634.08d69460@thewildbeast>

On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:29:51 +0100
Sharon Kimble <boudiccas at talktalk.net> wrote: 

> I attach a screen-shot of the part of the folder tree showing what I
> have but I'm looking for an inbox, outbox, sent, etc, just the usual
> sort of folders.

Have a look at the Network Log and/or --debug output. You probably
are not using the correct credentials for logging-in.

with regards

Paul


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From boudiccas at talktalk.net  Mon Oct 21 16:51:28 2013
From: boudiccas at talktalk.net (Sharon Kimble)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:51:28 +0100
Subject: [Users] imap setup
In-Reply-To: <20131021154634.08d69460@thewildbeast>
References: <20131021125929.596ebd40@london> <20131021152951.77b26d80@london>
	<20131021154634.08d69460@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20131021155128.34e68694@london>

On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:46:34 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:29:51 +0100
> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas at talktalk.net> wrote: 
> 
> > I attach a screen-shot of the part of the folder tree showing what I
> > have but I'm looking for an inbox, outbox, sent, etc, just the usual
> > sort of folders.
> 
> Have a look at the Network Log and/or --debug output. You probably
> are not using the correct credentials for logging-in.
> 
Yes, that is true, I'm having major problems with imap authentication
for these two accounts, my hosting reseller is taking it up with the
hosting provider as well. Hopefully, I'll get imap email available for
me soon.

Thanks
Sharon.
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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Mon Oct 21 16:59:22 2013
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:59:22 -0400
Subject: [Users] imap setup
In-Reply-To: <20131021125929.596ebd40@london>
References: <20131021125929.596ebd40@london>
Message-ID: <20131021105922.35426188@mydesk>

On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:59:29 +0100
Sharon Kimble <boudiccas at talktalk.net> wrote:

> I've just created two new imap setups, but how do I create the folders
> to show in the Folder tree please? 
> 
> Thanks
> Sharon.

You don't. The IMAP server creates the folders. When you log into the
IMAP server, it should reproduce the IMAP tree in Claws.

Thanks,

SteveT

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Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Oct 21 18:09:58 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:09:58 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3020] New: Use theme doesn't change some icons until
	restart
Message-ID: <bug-3020-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3020

            Bug ID: 3020
           Summary: Use theme doesn't change some icons until restart
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.9.2
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mozilla at virginmedia.com

When selecting a new theme and pressing Use this, some icons remain from the
previous theme.  For example, addr_one, the icon that shows in the email
address autocomplete popup.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Oct 21 18:10:24 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:10:24 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3021] New: Icon key_pgp_signed always shows as the
 default, never the themed version
Message-ID: <bug-3021-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3021

            Bug ID: 3021
           Summary: Icon key_pgp_signed always shows as the default, never
                    the themed version
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.9.2
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mozilla at virginmedia.com

If a theme includes an icon key_pgp_signed.png or key_pgp_signed.xpm, Claws
still displays the stock key_pgp_signed.xpm from the default theme.  The
documentation and says it is called key_pgp_signed.xpm (or png), and this is
the name used in existing themes, but the code looks for a file
key_pgp_signed_xpm.png and then falls back to the stock key_pgp_signed.xpm.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Oct 21 19:45:39 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:45:39 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3022] New: Filters/Pre/Post Processing completely
	broken
Message-ID: <bug-3022-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3022

            Bug ID: 3022
           Summary: Filters/Pre/Post Processing completely broken
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.9.1
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: major
          Priority: P3
         Component: Filtering
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: embeddedsteve at gmail.com

First:
 -  Imported 4 t-bird filters via provided script - don't work - period!
Second:
 -  Create new filter - completely broken.
Steps:
 - Open Claws
 - Select INBOX (why not selected initially, Woosh. . . .)
 - Configuration->Filtering
 -  Click on NAME box - add name
 -  Click on Account - Select specific account (only 1 defined)
 -  Click in Condition box - gets highlightes (i.e. border)
 -  Click Define button
 -  Get Condition Configuration Dialog box
 -  Match Criteria:  Select Header from Drop down box - get additional fields
to fill in.  Set Name to From -- contains "name"
 -  Click "Add" button, now shows up in lower box.
 -  Click on this rule to get "OK" button to highlight
 -  Click "OK" - goes back to filtering Configuration w/condition 
 -  Click on Action dialog box - gets highlighted (border), OK button goes
Active.  
 -  Click on Define Button, get Action configuration dialog box.
==> AT this point, I'm hosed - this dialog box is non-functional, and there's
NO way to exit/cancel out of it.  The "X" button will "click" when clicked, but
the dialog box remains. 
 -  if I go back to the Filtering configuration dialog box, and try to exit
that (via cancel or close button) - I get another dialog box indicating that
Editing is occuring, do I wish to continue or cancel.  This box also becomes
non-functional, cannot exit/close it.
  Only way out is to KILL the entire program.  

 -  Please address this ASAP - Thanks in advance for your efforts.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Oct 21 22:07:43 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:07:43 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3022] Filters/Pre/Post Processing completely broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3022-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3022-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3022-595-3Z6tPDKymp@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3022

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
           Severity|major                       |normal

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
What script did you use? Can you send me your ~/.claws-mail/matcherrc file and
the thunderbird filters file privately, please?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Oct 22 09:32:25 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 07:32:25 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3022] Filters/Pre/Post Processing completely broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3022-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3022-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3022-595-NxE5JgpWVy@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3022

--- Comment #2 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
Regarding the Action configuration dialog box it works fine here (git version).

Can you reproduce that with latest release 3.9.2 ?

Also, which window manager are you using?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Oct 22 09:41:27 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 07:41:27 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3022] Filters/Pre/Post Processing completely broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3022-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3022-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3022-595-jzYh0HLDTY@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3022

--- Comment #3 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
The problems with the filtering dialogue sound a lot like bug #2933, which are
caused by the overlay-scrollbar-gtk2 package, and nothing to do with the
apparent symptoms. If you have this package installed, remove it, it breaks
things. See
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/overlay-scrollbar/+bug/903302

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From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Tue Oct 22 16:29:37 2013
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:29:37 +0100
Subject: [Users] New build of Win32 version?
Message-ID: <20131022152937.0000720d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

Hi Colin

If you have a spare half hour in your busy life, is there any chance
that you could produce a new Win32 build from the latest git version
please?

Cheers!

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From colin at colino.net  Tue Oct 22 20:26:54 2013
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:26:54 +0200
Subject: [Users] New build of Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20131022152937.0000720d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <20131022152937.0000720d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20131022202654.67f4f309@mike>

On 22 October 2013 at 15h29, Brian Morrison wrote:

Hi Brian, 

> Hi Colin
> 
> If you have a spare half hour in your busy life, is there any chance
> that you could produce a new Win32 build from the latest git version
> please?

I'll try to. I also have to fix the auto builder, which is broken since
months...

What are you interested in exactly?

Cheers :)
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From mir at miras.org  Tue Oct 22 20:57:47 2013
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:57:47 +0200
Subject: [Users] New build of Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20131022202654.67f4f309@mike>
References: <20131022152937.0000720d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20131022202654.67f4f309@mike>
Message-ID: <20131022205747.7c14d9a8@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:26:54 +0200
Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> wrote:

> 
> What are you interested in exactly?
> 
My best guess would be the fix that fixes login to some big mail
providers -> ehlo unknown => marked as spam.

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From dan_arico at aricosystems.com  Tue Oct 22 21:14:34 2013
From: dan_arico at aricosystems.com (Dan Arico)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:14:34 -0400
Subject: [Users] Hanging
Message-ID: <20131022151434.074f6457.dan_arico@aricosystems.com>

I'm having a problem with an email source hanging everything up. Our
local Boy Scout district sends out calenders of events every week. The
last two I've gotten hang up Claws and one of them hung up my computer.
I have to kill Claws and turn off Fancy before I open the email. It's
html with tables embedded in it. It's too complicated for me to see
what's causing the problem.

I'd like to refer this to one of the experts to look at. Who should I
send it to and how do you want it?

Dan Arico

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Oct 22 22:42:01 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:42:01 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3022] Filters/Pre/Post Processing completely broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3022-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3022-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3022-595-duh1gHKxkQ@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3022

--- Comment #4 from Stephen <embeddedsteve at gmail.com> ---
NOTE:  I am not a linux expert, I do "embedded" linux development for a living,
which is very different.
RE: testing in 3.9.2 - this will not build in my system:
stephen at Stephen-B-Computer:/usr/lib$ ls -l *etpan*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     18 Oct 19  2011 libetpan.so.15 -> libetpan.so.15.0.0
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 688880 Oct 19  2011 libetpan.so.15.0.0

checking for libetpan-config... no
*** Claws Mail requires libetpan 0.57 or newer. See http://www.etpan.org/ 
*** You can use --disable-libetpan if you don't need IMAP4 and/or NNTP support.
configure: error: libetpan 0.57 not found
stephen at Stephen-B-Computer:/tmp/claws-mail-3.9.2$ 
 -  I have to be careful what gets put on this system so as not to disburb the
existing setup.  

RE: Window Manager - beats me - Ubuntu 12.04LTS - gnome??  (NOT Unity)

RE: Previous Bug #903302:
 -  Do NOT have this library installed on this system.

Regards,
Stephen Beckwith

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From mir at miras.org  Tue Oct 22 22:57:08 2013
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 22:57:08 +0200
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3022] Filters/Pre/Post Processing completely broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3022-595-duh1gHKxkQ@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:42:01 +0000
noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote:

> 
> RE: Window Manager - beats me - Ubuntu 12.04LTS - gnome??  (NOT Unity)
> 
Ubuntu 12.04 has libetpan-dev 1.05 so you are get to go.

From a command line: sudo apt-get install libetpan-dev

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From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com  Tue Oct 22 23:13:08 2013
From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 02:43:08 +0530
Subject: [Users] New build of Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20131022202654.67f4f309@mike>
References: <20131022152937.0000720d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:26:54 +0200, Colin wrote:

> > If you have a spare half hour in your busy life, is there any
> > chance that you could produce a new Win32 build from the latest
> > git version please?
> 
> I'll try to. I also have to fix the auto builder, which is broken
> since months...
> 
> What are you interested in exactly?

If you have a little extra time, could you fix the fonts in Fancy
too? It seems to default to some crazy international font that shows
latin characters (English) look all wonky. Or maybe it's only for
specific instances like when it encounters "charset=windows-1252"?
Perhaps even fix the memory leak that crashes Fancy after a few hours
and takes CM along with it? If you have the time of course;
no problem otherwise. :D ;)



From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct 23 09:41:59 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 07:41:59 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3022] Filters/Pre/Post Processing completely broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3022-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3022-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3022-595-dcHfshTO1M@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3022

--- Comment #5 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
Hi Stephen,

Thanks for sending matcherrc privately.

This has nothing to do with the conversion script. There is nothing wrong with
your matcherrc file at all.

Please run this command and tell us the output, if any:

dpkg -l | grep overlay-scrollbar

For you problem with building Claws Mail from source, you need the libetpan-dev
package.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct 23 09:48:25 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 07:48:25 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3013] New mail automatically marked as read when Claws
 still in tray, when receive dialog is shown
In-Reply-To: <bug-3013-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3013-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3013-595-FLkSYPfZB2@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3013

--- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
Do you have the option set to go to inbox after receiving new mail? (/Mail
handling/Receiving page).

On the /Display/Summaries page of the prefs, for the 'Set default selection
when entering a folder', 'Selection of folder opening' set to 'First new mail'?

Also on the /Display/Summaries page, do you have the 'Open message when
selected' option set to 'Always'?

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From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Wed Oct 23 13:06:24 2013
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:06:24 +0100
Subject: [Users] New build of Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20131022205747.7c14d9a8@sleipner.datanom.net>
References: <20131022152937.0000720d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20131022202654.67f4f309@mike>
	<20131022205747.7c14d9a8@sleipner.datanom.net>
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:57:47 +0200
Michael Rasmussen wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 20:26:54 +0200
> Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > What are you interested in exactly?
> > 
> My best guess would be the fix that fixes login to some big mail
> providers -> ehlo unknown => marked as spam.
> 

And the one that fixes the content-type-encoding white space problem
for mail sent via Yahoo web mail.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct 23 14:14:24 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:14:24 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3022] Filters/Pre/Post Processing completely broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3022-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3022-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3022-595-XhYK3cMoil@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3022

Stephen <embeddedsteve at gmail.com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |FIXED

--- Comment #6 from Stephen <embeddedsteve at gmail.com> ---
Paul,
  Well. . . "Old dog learns new trick" :)  Guess I actually DO have the
"troublesome" libraries:
stephen at Stephen-B-Computer:~$ dpkg -l | grep overlay-scrollbar
ii  liboverlay-scrollbar-0.2-0             0.2.16-0ubuntu1.1                   
               Scrollbar overlayed widget - shared lib
ii  liboverlay-scrollbar3-0.2-0            0.2.16-0ubuntu1.1                   
               Scrollbar overlayed widget - shared lib
ii  overlay-scrollbar                      0.2.16-0ubuntu1.1                   
               Scrollbar overlayed widget
 -  used apt-get remove the 2 libs.
 - I used apt-get remove to remove these 2 libraries, then I reset my system.
I am glad to report that I was successful in adding a new filter without any
problems.  Thank You!

 - Now. .   Lets see if the new filter actually worked. (may take a while)
The Imported Filters DID NOT work this morning - Messages that "should" have
been filtered were in my inbox this morning. . . .

I'll keep you posted.
Thanks Again!
Regards,
Stephen Beckwith

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct 23 14:39:32 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:39:32 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3022] Filters/Pre/Post Processing completely broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-3022-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3022-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3022-595-ZJ4rRlam5E@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3022

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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         Resolution|FIXED                       |INVALID

--- Comment #7 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
actually "INVALID" because it's not our bug.

Glad you got it sorted!

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct 23 15:16:16 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:16:16 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3013] New mail automatically marked as read when Claws
 still in tray, when receive dialog is shown
In-Reply-To: <bug-3013-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3013-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3013-595-yphpf4csLV@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3013

--- Comment #3 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
"Go to inbox" is set.
"First new email" is the first selection for "Set default selection".
"Open message when selected" is set to "Always".
Also, "Mark message as read" is set to "on selected", after 2 seconds.

With this combination, I expect that a newly received mail message will be
selected, and shortly afterwards marked read, when it arrives with the Claws
main window open (although that doesn't happen if the relevant inbox is already
selected), which is fine.

I expect it not to happen when the main window is closed, or at least not to
happen until I open the window.  Which is also fine.  The tricky case is when
the main window is closed and the receive dialog visible, then the message
still gets marked read even though I have no hope of ever having seen it.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct 23 15:20:02 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:20:02 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3013] New mail automatically marked as read when Claws
 still in tray, when receive dialog is shown
In-Reply-To: <bug-3013-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3013-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3013-595-38p7Qyzzli@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3013

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

--- Comment #4 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
You have plenty of choices and I think you can see how your choices are the
cause of the behaviour you describe. What you describe is not a bug. You are
actually asking for another option.

I'll close this, but feel free to open a new item as an 'enhancement'.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct 23 15:22:35 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:22:35 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2999] Claws-Mail disregards style preferences of fvwm
In-Reply-To: <bug-2999-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2999-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2999-595-6RVOEdJT1m@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2999

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |INVALID

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Oct 21 18:10:24 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:10:24 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3021] Icon key_pgp_signed always shows as the default,
 never the themed version
In-Reply-To: <bug-3021-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3021-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3021-595-Bc6TXcRdEj@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3021

--- Comment #1 from users at lists.claws-mail.org ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://git.claws-mail.org/

http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=5c96a1b73d33e9e3c3cf2ccf5cd508b8a2a9c10c
Merge: ab7cabb cfe7f78
Author: Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net>
Date:   Wed Oct 23 15:39:03 2013 +0200

    Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws

http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=cfe7f78faa46f3d9f5c145c74da3bebcb8495de8
Author: Paul <paul at claws-mail.org>
Date:   Wed Oct 23 14:38:32 2013 +0100

    fix bug 3021, 'Icon key_pgp_signed always shows as the default, never the
themed version'

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct 23 15:42:18 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:42:18 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3013] New mail automatically marked as read when Claws
 still in tray, when receive dialog is shown
In-Reply-To: <bug-3013-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3013-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3013-595-0MvaTtw0xW@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3013

--- Comment #5 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
Yes, my choice of preference settings cause a bug to happen.  Bad me ;)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct 23 15:48:53 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:48:53 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3013] New mail automatically marked as read when Claws
 still in tray, when receive dialog is shown
In-Reply-To: <bug-3013-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3013-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3013-595-ugoLj4p3ld@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3013

--- Comment #6 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
Not a bug - it's doing exactly what the settings you chose are intended to do.

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From colin at colino.net  Wed Oct 23 16:44:06 2013
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:44:06 +0200
Subject: [Users] New build of Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20131022152937.0000720d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <20131022152937.0000720d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20131023164406.2af242cf@colin>

On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:29:37 +0100, Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk>
wrote:

> If you have a spare half hour in your busy life, is there any chance
> that you could produce a new Win32 build from the latest git version
> please?

That's now done! :)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct 23 16:55:12 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:55:12 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2210] Display name with invalid addresses not quoted
 when inserted from address book
In-Reply-To: <bug-2210-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2210-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2210-595-tmH0FAVMOp@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2210

--- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones <mones at users.sourceforge.net> ---
Created attachment 1306
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1306&action=edit
Fix proposal

Finally I had some time to look at this and seems the attached patch fixes it.

Fixing is not at the Address Book¹ insert-time but when queuing the message.
That way we're protected against potential user modification which can happen
between compose-time (when the address is extracted from AB) and send-time.

Feel free to test and suggest improvements or point out mistakes ;-)


¹ Anyway AB doesn't care whether address is SMTP-correct or not.

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From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Wed Oct 23 17:22:47 2013
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:22:47 +0100
Subject: [Users] New build of Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20131023164406.2af242cf@colin>
References: <20131022152937.0000720d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20131023164406.2af242cf@colin>
Message-ID: <20131023162247.000029d8@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:44:06 +0200
Colin Leroy wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:29:37 +0100, Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk>
> wrote:
> 
> > If you have a spare half hour in your busy life, is there any chance
> > that you could produce a new Win32 build from the latest git version
> > please?
> 
> That's now done! :)
> 

Colin, _you_ are a star!

Thank you.

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From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com  Wed Oct 23 17:50:03 2013
From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 21:20:03 +0530
Subject: [Users] New build of Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20131023162247.000029d8@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <20131022152937.0000720d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20131023164406.2af242cf@colin>
	<20131023162247.000029d8@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20131023212003.0000386c@netsolutionsindia.com>

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:22:47 +0100, Brian wrote:

> > > If you have a spare half hour in your busy life, is there any
> > > chance that you could produce a new Win32 build from the latest
> > > git version please?  
> > 
> > That's now done! :)
> 
> Colin, _you_ are a star!

+1



From reinhard.irmer at kabelmail.de  Wed Oct 23 18:47:00 2013
From: reinhard.irmer at kabelmail.de (Reinhard Irmer)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 18:47:00 +0200
Subject: [Users] New build of Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20131023212003.0000386c@netsolutionsindia.com>
References: <20131022152937.0000720d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>	<20131023164406.2af242cf@colin>	<20131023162247.000029d8@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
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Message-ID: <004801ced00f$8a776390$9f662ab0$@irmer@kabelmail.de>

>> Colin, _you_ are a star!
> 
> +1

And what's about showing X-Face besides FACE?
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From colin at colino.net  Wed Oct 23 19:20:41 2013
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:20:41 +0200
Subject: [Users] New build of Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <004801ced00f$8a776390$9f662ab0$@irmer@kabelmail.de>
References: <20131022152937.0000720d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20131023164406.2af242cf@colin>
	<20131023162247.000029d8@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20131023212003.0000386c@netsolutionsindia.com>
	<004801ced00f$8a776390$9f662ab0$@irmer@kabelmail.de>
Message-ID: <20131023192041.4ae8ed94@mike>

On 23 October 2013 at 18h47, Reinhard Irmer wrote:

Hi, 

> >> Colin, _you_ are a star!  
> > 
> > +1  
> 
> And what's about showing X-Face besides FACE?

It needs some work, porting libcompface to win32. I could give it a
shot, but honestly, I'd rather fix the build bot first. (This is taking
some time because doing so means dist-upgrading the build bot server
from Ubuntu 10.04 to a newer release through 10.10, 11.04, 11.10,
12.04, 12.10 and 13.04 ; or changing the server for a 13.04, which is
the sane solution that I'll choose, and that's expected to be a pain in
the back, so I keep postponing :)

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From mir at miras.org  Wed Oct 23 19:46:16 2013
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:46:16 +0200
Subject: [Users] New build of Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20131023192041.4ae8ed94@mike>
References: <20131022152937.0000720d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
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On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:20:41 +0200
Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> wrote:

> 
> It needs some work, porting libcompface to win32. I could give it a
> shot, but honestly, I'd rather fix the build bot first. (This is taking
> some time because doing so means dist-upgrading the build bot server
> from Ubuntu 10.04 to a newer release through 10.10, 11.04, 11.10,
> 12.04, 12.10 and 13.04 ; or changing the server for a 13.04, which is
> the sane solution that I'll choose, and that's expected to be a pain in
> the back, so I keep postponing :)
> 
Isn't a direct upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04 supported?

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From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Wed Oct 23 20:15:05 2013
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud OLGIATI (Ron))
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:15:05 -0300
Subject: [Users] Change of focus when clicking a link
Message-ID: <20131023151505.7ed21a87@ron.cerrocora.org>

When I click on a link in the body of a mail, the link opens in Firefox, and the focus immediately changes from Claws to Firefox.

Would there be a way to have the focus remain on Claws ? (I dont know whether this is a problem with Claws , or with Firefox...)
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
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                     despite our efforts to improve them.
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From colin at colino.net  Wed Oct 23 20:33:43 2013
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:33:43 +0200
Subject: [Users] New build of Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20131023194616.2c702487@sleipner.datanom.net>
References: <20131022152937.0000720d@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20131023164406.2af242cf@colin>
	<20131023162247.000029d8@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20131023212003.0000386c@netsolutionsindia.com>
	<004801ced00f$8a776390$9f662ab0$@irmer@kabelmail.de>
	<20131023192041.4ae8ed94@mike>
	<20131023194616.2c702487@sleipner.datanom.net>
Message-ID: <20131023203343.39d30fb1@mike>

On 23 October 2013 at 19h46, Michael Rasmussen wrote:

Hi, 

> Isn't a direct upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04 supported?

It is, but it never worked for me, so not trying again :)

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From CAE at eslrahc.com  Wed Oct 23 20:51:04 2013
From: CAE at eslrahc.com (Charles A Edwards)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:51:04 -0400
Subject: [Users] Change of focus when clicking a link
In-Reply-To: <20131023151505.7ed21a87@ron.cerrocora.org>
References: <20131023151505.7ed21a87@ron.cerrocora.org>
Message-ID: <20131023145104.66c7e1da@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:15:05 -0300
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:

> Would there be a way to have the focus remain on Claws ? (I dont know
> whether this is a problem with Claws , or with Firefox...)


It is not a 'problem' it is a 'choice' that is configured in
firefox under Edit/Preferences/General 
Uncheck the heading:
"When I open a link in a new tab, switch to it immediately" 


    Charles

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From jeremy.schneider at ardentperf.com  Wed Oct 23 20:51:17 2013
From: jeremy.schneider at ardentperf.com (Jeremy Schneider)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:51:17 -0500
Subject: [Users] Filtering windows problem (cannot close)
In-Reply-To: <20130919084329.25c10d31@thewildbeast>
References: <20121225095818.212b5079@victoria>
	<20121225173542.00004652@unknown> <20121225225116.5bd51630@mydesk>
	<20121225233228.67a288b5@victoria>
	<20121227091836.71bfdce8@thewildbeast>
	<20121227044954.7a01ab47@victoria>
	<20121227125450.2b535bb1@thewildbeast>
	<20121227132753.413f2d0f@mydesk>
	<20121227192003.0a7dd9b2@thewildbeast>
	<CA+fnDAafyWkJafFeCe8x84R0Nd_U24Yiw+REpD5zsu3aMafDGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20130905124940.059c5ee4@thewildbeast>
	<20130918214135.3a053c55@jeremy-nb>
	<20130919084329.25c10d31@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <CA+fnDAYqRCudrmMXZfrJDq57r-FON2WfOtR3i5wY6LQ1a+XChA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:43 AM, Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> But no-one on that team actually seems interested in doing anything
> about it - reported December 2011, still unassigned, let alone fixed.


That's democracy for you.  I went ahead and "voted" that it affects me
anyway (in launchpad)...

-J

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From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Wed Oct 23 21:47:24 2013
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud OLGIATI (Ron))
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:47:24 -0300
Subject: [Users] Change of focus when clicking a link
In-Reply-To: <20131023145104.66c7e1da@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
References: <20131023151505.7ed21a87@ron.cerrocora.org>
	<20131023145104.66c7e1da@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
Message-ID: <20131023164724.0e34bd6d@ron.cerrocora.org>

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:51:04 -0400
Charles A Edwards <CAE at eslrahc.com> wrote:

> > Would there be a way to have the focus remain on Claws ? (I dont know
> > whether this is a problem with Claws , or with Firefox...)  
> 
> It is not a 'problem' it is a 'choice' that is configured in
> firefox under Edit/Preferences/General 
> Uncheck the heading:
> "When I open a link in a new tab, switch to it immediately" 

The heading is unchecked in Firefox, and still from Claws it switches to the new tab; interestingly, it does not when I click a link within Firefox, or my ebook reading prog.
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
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                The uncreative mind can spot the wrong answer,
           but it takes a creative mind to spot the wrong question.
                                                      --Anthony Jay
                                    
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From ml at terranean.eu  Wed Oct 23 23:55:51 2013
From: ml at terranean.eu (=?UTF-8?B?U8OpYmFzdGllbg==?=)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 23:55:51 +0200
Subject: [Users] Change of focus when clicking a link
In-Reply-To: <20131023151505.7ed21a87@ron.cerrocora.org>
References: <20131023151505.7ed21a87@ron.cerrocora.org>
Message-ID: <20131023235551.51527a7b@sentinel>

Le 2013-10-23 à 15:15, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI a écrit:
> When I click on a link in the body of a mail, the link opens in
> Firefox, and the focus immediately changes from Claws to Firefox.
> 
> Would there be a way to have the focus remain on Claws ? (I dont know
> whether this is a problem with Claws , or with Firefox...) 
> Cheers,

Set browser.tabs.loadDivertedInBackground to true in about:config


From linxt at comcast.net  Thu Oct 24 07:31:06 2013
From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 05:31:06 +0000
Subject: [Users] Change of focus when clicking a link
In-Reply-To: <20131023164724.0e34bd6d@ron.cerrocora.org>
References: <20131023151505.7ed21a87@ron.cerrocora.org>
	<20131023145104.66c7e1da@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
	<20131023164724.0e34bd6d@ron.cerrocora.org>
Message-ID: <20131024053106.6177ec60@desktop-1.home>

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:47:24 -0300
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:51:04 -0400
> Charles A Edwards <CAE at eslrahc.com> wrote:
> 
> > > Would there be a way to have the focus remain on Claws ? (I dont know
> > > whether this is a problem with Claws , or with Firefox...)  
> > 
> > It is not a 'problem' it is a 'choice' that is configured in
> > firefox under Edit/Preferences/General 
> > Uncheck the heading:
> > "When I open a link in a new tab, switch to it immediately" 
> 
> The heading is unchecked in Firefox, and still from Claws it switches to the
> new tab; interestingly, it does not when I click a link within Firefox, or my
> ebook reading prog. Cheers,
>  
> Ron.

Hi Ron,
Which OS and desktop are you using?  If Linux with KDE, focus stealing
prevention can be set on a per window basis.  Right click on the window
titlebar and select "more actions > special window settings > appearance &
fixes > focus stealing prevention".  You might want to play with it a bit to
get things the way you want.

Tom

-- 
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him like flies on a summer day.
  -  Bertrand Russell

^^  --...  ...--  / -.-  --.  --...  -.-.  ..-.  -.-.

^^^^
Tom Taylor - retired penguin - KG7CFC
AMD Phenom II x4 955 -- 4GB RAM -- 2x1.5TB sata2
openSUSE 13.1_RC1-x86_64
KDE 4.11.12, FF 24.0, claws-mail 3.9.2
registered linux user 263467


From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Thu Oct 24 10:35:51 2013
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud OLGIATI (Ron))
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 05:35:51 -0300
Subject: [Users] Change of focus when clicking a link
In-Reply-To: <20131024053106.6177ec60@desktop-1.home>
References: <20131023151505.7ed21a87@ron.cerrocora.org>
	<20131023145104.66c7e1da@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
	<20131023164724.0e34bd6d@ron.cerrocora.org>
	<20131024053106.6177ec60@desktop-1.home>
Message-ID: <20131024053551.4b52b986@ron.cerrocora.org>

On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 05:31:06 +0000
Thomas Taylor <linxt at comcast.net> wrote:

> Which OS and desktop are you using?  If Linux with KDE, focus stealing
> prevention can be set on a per window basis.  Right click on the window
> titlebar and select "more actions > special window settings > appearance &
> fixes > focus stealing prevention".  You might want to play with it a bit to
> get things the way you want.

Thanks, it has been soved with Sébastien's suggestion to Set browser.tabs.loadDivertedInBackground to true in about:config

Dont use KDE, came to Cl<as specifically so that I could drop Kmail which was the last thing that kept me using that piece of bloatware.
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
                      He either fears his fate too much,
                           Or his deserts are small
                        That put it not unto the touch
                           To win or loose it all.
                  -- James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose
                                    
                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 



From ian.wisbon at gmail.com  Thu Oct 24 16:09:21 2013
From: ian.wisbon at gmail.com (Ian Wisbon)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:09:21 -0400
Subject: [Users] Claws does not send unless desktop has focus
Message-ID: <CALYgMPfnv9zDpo8g9ZrGCCqLgPC8yweNMiebwBywz-Mb-AzbZw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I haven't yet determined if this is a Claws issue, or, being imposed by my
WM (Openbox, Crunchbang Waldorf OS). I also run a dual-head setup, and
typically run claws on the right display in my setup, I doubt that is
adding to the issue, but I'm noting it for debugging.

When composing an e-mail and clicking send *with* the send dialogue
enabled, if I switch desktops from that which has claws on it, the e-mail
send dialogue and send process will hang, until I return to the desktop
containing Claws.

This will result in all Claws functionality blocking until the e-mail is
sent, meaning all filters/fetching/processing are not being run.

Disabling the send dialogue seems to not cause this issue.

Is this the expected behavior, or is this a known issue?

Thanks!
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 24 18:25:15 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 16:25:15 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3023] New: Messages signed or with attachments don't
 get flagged when they first appear in the sent folder
Message-ID: <bug-3023-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3023

            Bug ID: 3023
           Summary: Messages signed or with attachments don't get flagged
                    when they first appear in the sent folder
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.9.2
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message List
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mozilla at virginmedia.com

When a message with an attachment or that is signed (inline or mime) is sent,
it appears in the sent folder.  The icon in the paper-clip column does not
appear until the message is selected.  Moving to a different folder and back,
or restart Claws, doesn't help, although coincidentally it may select the first
item and cause the icon to appear.

Strangely, encrypted messages appear immediately with the correct icon.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 24 18:30:22 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 16:30:22 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3024] New: Address autocomplete without tabs and inline
Message-ID: <bug-3024-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3024

            Bug ID: 3024
           Summary: Address autocomplete without tabs and inline
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.9.2
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Compose Window
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mozilla at virginmedia.com

Currently address autocomplete produces a popup offering known email address
only when the tab key is pressed.  Apart from not being easily discoverable,
this is confusing and clunky in a GUI (although I love it on the command
line!).

Ideally the popup would appear automatically (optionally?) when characters (a
certain number, or after a certain delay?) are typed.

It would also be helpful for the first found address to be filled in without
having to select from the dropdown list.  Non-typed portions of the address
would be already selected so that they don't interfere with further typing.

Since this has to be one of the most used functions in an email client, even
small improvments are valuable.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 24 18:36:44 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 16:36:44 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3025] New: Inline-signed messages can be tampered with
 and still be shown as validly signed
Message-ID: <bug-3025-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3025

            Bug ID: 3025
           Summary: Inline-signed messages can be tampered with and still
                    be shown as validly signed
    Classification: Unclassified
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.9.2
          Hardware: PC
                OS: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Plugins/Privacy
          Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org
          Reporter: mozilla at virginmedia.com

The PGP inline signature format consists of several boilerplate lines (armor)
surrounding the message text.  The signature verifies not only that the message
was produced by the owner of the key but that the contents of the message are
identical to when it was signed.

A blank line is mandatory after the armor and before the text of the message. 
However, if this line is modified to contain text, Claws still reports the
signature as valid.

GnuPG command line signature checking returns a fail code (not a bad signature
code)  when this happens and a message that the armor header is invalid.  Not
sure what that should correspond to in Claws.  Privacy-warn?  Not
Privacy-passed though.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 24 18:41:49 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 16:41:49 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3024] Address autocomplete without tabs and inline
In-Reply-To: <bug-3024-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3024-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3024-595-lKFjlCBhTQ@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3024

--- Comment #1 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
Perhaps I should have explained better what I meant by clunky and confusing. 
As an example, (almost) everyone knows that tab will move from one field to
another when filling in data in an online form, and it does this in Claws too. 
Try typing an email address (complete and correct) in the Claws compose window,
then hit tab to move on.  It doesn't move on.  Instead something else happens,
something unhelpful.  In the case where the dropdown contains only one entry
exactly matching the typed email address, it is particularly unhelpful ;)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 24 19:14:32 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 17:14:32 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3024] Address autocomplete without tabs and inline
In-Reply-To: <bug-3024-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3024-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3024-595-p3cpCEqM7c@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3024

--- Comment #2 from Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk> ---
Tab is a very familiar auto-complete key if you come from a Unix background,
it's what the shell uses for command auto-completion. Claws originated in a
*nix environment and the Windows port was originally intended to allow Claws
users to keep using Claws.

I don't know how easy it would be for the developers to change this behaviour
or indeed make the mechanism to enable it selectable. Historically they are not
big fans of additional config options.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 24 20:14:48 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 18:14:48 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3024] Address autocomplete without tabs and inline
In-Reply-To: <bug-3024-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3024-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3024-595-tjNLNd6SkZ@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3024

--- Comment #3 from Ian Nartowicz <mozilla at virginmedia.com> ---
I know, Brian, you're preaching to the choir here.  Brilliant on the command
line, but still weird in a GUI.  I can't think of a single other Linux app that
tries this, and quite a few that stick to something more usable.  I'd like to
think the new behaviour would be so great that nobody could possibly want to
turn it off, but that's always difficult when people have had years getting
used to something different.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 24 21:40:56 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:40:56 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3025] Inline-signed messages can be tampered with and
 still be shown as validly signed
In-Reply-To: <bug-3025-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3025-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3025-595-smYHI2YRoI@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3025

--- Comment #1 from Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> ---
Hi,

Thanks for reporting, this is indeed far from desirable. I'll investigate!

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct 23 16:55:12 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:55:12 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2210] Display name with invalid addresses not quoted
 when inserted from address book
In-Reply-To: <bug-2210-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2210-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-2210-595-tadjcPDGLT@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2210

--- Comment #2 from users at lists.claws-mail.org ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://git.claws-mail.org/

http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=bcab9673d248f075f8917f6f614eb6d2df2e8ce8
Merge: 0d57042 d07722d
Author: Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net>
Date:   Fri Oct 25 14:21:03 2013 +0200

    Merge branch 'master' of file:///home/git/claws

http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=d07722d7d00132463f5a86266c22140a69aa477a
Author: Ricardo Mones <ricardo at mones.org>
Date:   Fri Oct 25 14:09:00 2013 +0200

    Fix bug #2210, but not on Address Book

    Bug report is titled 'Display name with invalid addresses not quoted
    when inserted from address book', but the real problem is not the AB.

    AB doesn't care about the address format or validity, the problem is
    sending those addresses to the SMTP server, which, as seen in the wild¹,
    might care.

    Fix quotes all addresses which need quoting just before writting the
    message to the queue folder.

    ¹http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2013-October/007485.html

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From ethy.brito at inexo.com.br  Fri Oct 25 14:59:26 2013
From: ethy.brito at inexo.com.br (Ethy H. Brito)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:59:26 -0200
Subject: [Users] ubuntu saucy 13.10
Message-ID: <20131025105926.5956a222@pulsar>


Hi

Is Claws Mail for Ubuntu Saucy in your agenda?

Thanx

Cheers

Ethy


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Oct 25 16:33:16 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:33:16 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3025] Inline-signed messages can be tampered with and
 still be shown as validly signed
In-Reply-To: <bug-3025-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3025-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3025-595-szuhKWcYxI@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3025

--- Comment #2 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
Actually, to be precise, GnuPG command line does not return a fail code. It
issues a warning but the signature is still reported as good.

-- 
You are receiving this mail because:
You are the assignee for the bug.


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Oct 25 16:39:46 2013
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:39:46 +0000
Subject: [Users] [Bug 3023] Messages signed or with attachments don't get
 flagged when they first appear in the sent folder
In-Reply-To: <bug-3023-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-3023-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <bug-3023-595-7TSew5gkIZ@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3023

Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|---                         |WONTFIX

--- Comment #1 from Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> ---
That's by design.

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From disabled.pensioner at riseup.net  Fri Oct 25 18:37:54 2013
From: disabled.pensioner at riseup.net (Graham Todd)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 17:37:54 +0100
Subject: [Users] Mailfilter and Claws-Mail
Message-ID: <20131025173754.391744ef@gnewsense.gmail.com>

Over the years, I have built up a large Mailfilter rc file while using
Claws-Mail with Mailfilter. Usually, the use of both is first to use
Mailfilter to remove junk from the server on which your mail resides,
then use Claws-Mail (or any other e-mail package) to download mail. I
first thought I would be doing the same task twice over, but I found
Mailfilter to be very effective, and as I could use regex, I could get
it to remove all families of nasties with few expressions.

With version 0.07 Mailfilter changed (slightly) how the rc file should
be built, so before I go and rebuild it, let me ask if there is any way
that the old Mailfilter rc file can be used inside Claws-Mail, and if
not, whether Claws-Mail would supportMailfilter from its latest version
0.8.2

++ Graham Todd
(a.k.a Disabled Pensioner)

Email composed using Claws-Mail and
gNewSense Linux 3.0 (Parkes),
hardened with Liberte Linux 2012, 3 and JohnDo
"Free software as in free speech and in freedom"


From barry at python.org  Fri Oct 25 21:46:35 2013
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:46:35 -0400
Subject: [Users] ubuntu saucy 13.10
References: <20131025105926.5956a222@pulsar>
Message-ID: <20131025154635.289f1558@anarchist>

On Oct 25, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Ethy H. Brito wrote:

>Is Claws Mail for Ubuntu Saucy in your agenda?

This isn't specifically the responsibility of the Claws upstream development
team, but Claws is already available for Ubuntu 13.10:

% rmadison claws-mail
claws-mail | 3.7.4-1ubuntu1 | lucid/universe | source, amd64, armel, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
claws-mail | 3.8.0-1ubuntu1 | precise/universe | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, powerpc
claws-mail |    3.8.1-2 | quantal/universe | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, powerpc
claws-mail |    3.8.1-2 | raring/universe | source, amd64, armhf, i386, powerpc
claws-mail |    3.8.1-2 | saucy/universe | source, amd64, armhf, i386, powerpc
claws-mail | 3.9.2-2ubuntu1 | trusty/universe | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc


I'm currently on Trusty Tahr now (Saucy is so last week :), so running 3.9.2.
I've noticed a few more crashes than with 3.8.1, but it's not been bad enough
for me to investigate further.

(The Ubuntu delta is primarily for using the indicator-messages API instead of
libindicator.  I've not followed whether this patch has been proposed for
Debian or upstream.)

Cheers,
-Barry
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Oct 25 22:06:43 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 21:06:43 +0100
Subject: [Users] ubuntu saucy 13.10
In-Reply-To: <20131025154635.289f1558@anarchist>
References: <20131025105926.5956a222@pulsar>
	<20131025154635.289f1558@anarchist>
Message-ID: <20131025210643.5ddd085b@thewildbeast>

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 15:46:35 -0400
Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote: 

> I'm currently on Trusty Tahr now (Saucy is so last week :), so
> running 3.9.2. I've noticed a few more crashes than with 3.8.1, but
> it's not been bad enough for me to investigate further.

That must be the dependent libraries in Trusty Tahr, I reckon.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From Theofilos at interia.pl  Sun Oct 27 12:26:54 2013
From: Theofilos at interia.pl (Theofilos)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:26:54 +0000
Subject: [Users] ODP2 - Re: ODP - Re:  problem with number in tne name
In-Reply-To: <20131023125102.44561105@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <em5a6ba289-11f4-4d21-90f5-3d65df0aeb4b@AF3E>

I think it is a problem with send from Claws-mail full e-mail address 
as a login.
You can see "Network log"
  
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
* Account 'bydg': Connecting to POP3 server: pop3.poczta.onet.pl:110...
[12:21:27] POP3< +OK Onet server ready.
[12:21:27] POP3> USER m3bydg
[12:21:27] POP3< +OK
[12:21:27] POP3> PASS ********
[12:21:29] POP3< -ERR  Please provide full e-mail address as a login
*** error occurred on authentication
*** Authentication failed.
* Account 'bydg': Connecting to POP3 server: pop3.poczta.onet.pl:110...
[12:21:56] POP3< +OK Onet server ready.
[12:21:56] POP3> USER m3bydg at onet.pl
[12:21:56] POP3< +OK
[12:21:56] POP3> PASS ********
[12:21:56] POP3< +OK Logged in.
[12:21:56] POP3> STAT
[12:21:56] POP3< -ERR Unknown command: 
*** error occurred on POP3 session
*** Error occurred while processing mail.
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
  
Theofilos

------ Wiadomość oryginalna ------
Od: "Paul" <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk>
Do: "Bogumił Szmańda" <Theofilos at interia.pl>
Wysłano: 2013-10-23 13:51:02
Temat: Re: ODP - Re: [Users] problem with number in tne name
>On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:39:17 +0000
>Bogumił Szmańda <Theofilos at interia.pl> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>That's right. It's my bug. But there is some problem. You can try
>>to create account, for example on poczta.onet.pl or
>>poczta.interia.pl. You can not download e-mails in Claws Mail. If
>>you take for example Thunderbird or OutLook you can download.
>>
>
>
>What does the network log say during this attempt? /Tools/Network Log
>
>What does the debug output say during this attempt? (Start with
>`claws-mail --debug`)
>
>with regards
>
>Paul
>
>
>--
>It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me,
>but to a collector it is worth a fortune
>
>



From n1abs at comcast.net  Sun Oct 27 17:31:14 2013
From: n1abs at comcast.net (Pete Spotts)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 12:31:14 -0400
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail opens full-screen and without decorations,
 despite asD sequence
Message-ID: <20131027123114.54bf2238@w1pns>

Hi Folks,

I'm using Claws-Mail 3.9.1 on Lubuntu 12.04.

For reasons that must have had something to do with fat fingers, Claws
Mail opens in Openbox full screen and without decoration. I've tried
the alt-space-D Openbox sequence, which brings up the window-related
commands, but the Un/Decorate selection, among others, is grayed out
and unavailable. Interestingly, when I composed this message, I *could*
use the asD sequence to toggle between decorate and undecorate for the
message window. 

The same phenomenon occurs when I open C-M using Xfce or Lubuntu's
native manager LXDE(?). So perhaps Claws-Mail is keeping the decoration
information somewhere?

Just for yuks, I replaced Openbox's rc file in my home/~/.config/openbox
directory with the original in /etc/xdg/openbox, but that fails to
solve the problem.

And the winning solution is??  ;-)

With best regards,

Pete

-- 
Peter N. Spotts -- N1ABS (ex-W1PNS)
http://www.w1pns.net 
Email: n1abs at arrl.net | Skype: pspotts
QCWA #34679 | SKCC #4853T | QRP-ARCI #4174
NEQRP #714 | NAQCC #2446 | GQRP #13202

"Amateur radio is a contact sport. 
Get on the air and make a contact!"
       -- Lyle Amundson, K0LFV


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Oct 27 17:59:56 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 16:59:56 +0000
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail opens full-screen and without decorations,
 despite asD sequence
In-Reply-To: <20131027123114.54bf2238@w1pns>
References: <20131027123114.54bf2238@w1pns>
Message-ID: <20131027165956.5e50f4cd@thewildbeast>

On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 12:31:14 -0400
Pete Spotts <n1abs at comcast.net> wrote: 

> And the winning solution is??  ;-)

/View/Full screen (F11) probably

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From claws-mail_user at thehugheslogcabin.net  Mon Oct 28 02:45:10 2013
From: claws-mail_user at thehugheslogcabin.net (Michael Hughes)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 20:45:10 -0500
Subject: [Users] Fancy HTML viewer user agent string problem
Message-ID: <20131027204510.5c36cc7d@thehugheslogcabin.net>

It seems that Fancy HTML viewer 3.9.2git88 has problems with sending the
user agent string when making request using HTTPS.  I have my proxy
sever set up to not allow any programs not sending a user agent string
to access that Internet.  I use a white list to allow only programs I
know of out based on the user agent string they pass.  I wanted to
check on the list to see if anyone else is have this problem when using
Fancy to display HTML based emails?

-- 
Michael Hughes
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From bxstover at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 30 15:05:20 2013
From: bxstover at yahoo.co.uk (Ben Stover)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:05:20 +0100
Subject: [Users] How to export and import message trees?
Message-ID: <467538.18490.bm@smtp141.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>

Sorry for this question.
I am currently evaluating Claws Mail.

One of the most important features of an email client for me is that I can export (and import) certain message trees.

Assume I have created a new folder "archive" which in turn contains three sub-folders
"2012", "2013", "2014"

Now I want to export all messages (but only those) from folder

archive\2013\

How can I do this?

Can I export it e.g. on ClawsMail installation 1 (=e.g. my Deskop computer) then transfer the
packed backup to my Notebook and my ClawsMail installation over there and then import the
msg tree over there?

Which storage format is used in general in ClawsMail? Mbox?

Can I switch to *.MSG?

Can I at least export and import *.MSF messages?

Thank you
Ben






From jdalinux at yahoo.com.br  Wed Oct 30 15:37:35 2013
From: jdalinux at yahoo.com.br (Jean Ackle)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:37:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Users] IMAP folders subscriptions with Gmail account
In-Reply-To: <1372762299.838.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1372762299.838.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1383143855.91546.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

This dates a good while back but then again... it was my question...

I haven't actually found the definitive sollution to this (I think there is none as Google Mail and IMAP folders are not direct matches, namelly regarding Gmail Labels being  "translated" to IMAP folders).

Still, if there seemingly is no way to avoid downloading several e-mail messages from Gmail to an IMAP account in Claws, I did  however find an easy way to get rid of the multiple copies stored in my harddisk. With limitations.
The sollution is: Hardlinks.

I did some testing with the following two setups:
- DEFT 8 Linux 64bit (my two other distros crashed, or more preciselly, I crashed them... I'm keeping my wild guesses off this DEFT 8 setup... Not to the point really.).
-- With Linux kernel 3.5 (mentioned for the sake of filesystems handling quirks I might not be aware of);
-- With Python 2.7.3 (you'll understand why I mention it later in this message).
- Windows XP Pro SP3 32bit
-- With Python 2.7.5 (latest stable on the 2.x series), both with and without pywin32 by Mark Hammond;
-- With Python 3.3.2 (latest stable), both with and without pywin32.

The limited testing I did shows:
- I can create perfectly working hardlinks from DEFT8 in both ext4 and NTFS partitions using the standard 'ln' command. The inode numbers revealed by 'ls -i' will match.
- Those unix-like hardlinks will work seemingly flawlessly when dealing with them in Windows XP. They will indeed display the count of hardlinks shown by the FlexHex program mentioned and downloadable from the article on http://www.flexhex.com/docs/articles/hard-links.phtml#hardlinks (2nd paragraph).
- Hardlinks created in the NTFS, when removed, either in Linux or Windows, will both remove only that one link, leaving the other links and their contents untouched.
- Running 'chkdsk' on Windows shows no filesystem corruption.

I also found a very nice utility: hardlink.py ( http://code.google.com/p/hardlinkpy/ ), which searches a directory for copies of the same file and turns them into hardlinks Perfect for my purpose!
Although... It does work fine when run from Linux, with the same results mentioned above on either ext4 or NTFS alike. But when run from Windows XP, it fails to detect the copies and instead states them as having been already linked before (not true). This happens with all four combinations of Python and the pywin32 I detailed above for my Windows XP.


The "NTFS Hard Links, Directory Junctions, and Windows Shortcuts" article mentioned above (the one from where you can also get the FlexHex utility) lets you download another utility that creates hardlinks in Windows XP and onwards (although Windows 7 includes 'mklink', which does the same). These work just as well as the Linux 'ln' command.
Thus, the problem with hardlink.py not doing its job properly when run on Windows might be fixable/worked-around.

If the problem of hardlink.py not working from Windows XP could be solved, then I could have a go at trying to implement a Claws-Mail Python action (with hardlink.py included in the code or called by it) that I could run from either the Linux or Windows versions of Claws-Mail to keep my locally stored Gmail account free of multiple copies of the same contents at any time.
Also... I know basically nothing of Python and I am not a programmer, but with time...

If anyone has any insights into this or any alternatives they might suggest, they'll be most welcome.

Regards,
Jean-D. Ackle


> On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 11:52 AM, Jean-D. Ackle <jdalinux at yahoo.com.br> wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> 
> I have a Gmail account setup on Claws Mail.
> I have the INBOX folder subscribed to and several IMAP Folders (= Gmail labels) 
> too.
> 
> Claws has been downloading all mail for hours now (intended) but, so to speak, 
> in duplicates, triplicates or more...
> In short, in case it's not clear yet:
> ++ I have messages in the INBOX only which I want downloaded for offline use.
> ++ I have messages in INBOX and some other folder(s) / label(s) which I also 
> want availabe for offline use.
> 
> Is
> there a way to set Claws up so that the messages don't get downloaded 
> two or more times (and don't occupy the corresponding multiple copies' 
> disk space either) while still having them all available for offline 
> use?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
> 


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct 30 15:55:41 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:55:41 +0000
Subject: [Users] IMAP folders subscriptions with Gmail account
In-Reply-To: <1383143855.91546.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1372762299.838.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<1383143855.91546.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20131030145541.5d0ccdc9@thewildbeast>

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:37:35 -0700 (PDT)
Jean Ackle <jdalinux at yahoo.com.br> wrote: 

> I haven't actually found the definitive sollution to this (I think
> there is none as Google Mail and IMAP folders are not direct
> matches, namelly regarding Gmail Labels being  "translated" to IMAP
> folders).

GMail labels *are* folders.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Wed Oct 30 16:26:21 2013
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:26:21 -0400
Subject: [Users] How to export and import message trees?
In-Reply-To: <467538.18490.bm@smtp141.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>
References: <467538.18490.bm@smtp141.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20131030112621.30f50081@mydesk>

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:05:20 +0100
"Ben Stover" <bxstover at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Sorry for this question.
> I am currently evaluating Claws Mail.
> 
> One of the most important features of an email client for me is that
> I can export (and import) certain message trees.
> 
> Assume I have created a new folder "archive" which in turn contains
> three sub-folders "2012", "2013", "2014"
> 
> Now I want to export all messages (but only those) from folder
> 
> archive\2013\
> 
> How can I do this?
> 
> Can I export it e.g. on ClawsMail installation 1 (=e.g. my Deskop
> computer) then transfer the packed backup to my Notebook and my
> ClawsMail installation over there and then import the msg tree over
> there?
> 
> Which storage format is used in general in ClawsMail? Mbox?
> 
> Can I switch to *.MSG?
> 
> Can I at least export and import *.MSF messages?
> 
> Thank you
> Ben

Hi Ben,

I'll leave smarter people to answer your question explicitly, and just
tell you how *I* did it. I went through a heck of an evaluation of lots
of mail clients after I ran away from Kmail when they contaminated it
with nepomuk and akonadi, asking some of the same questions you just
did. And most of the answers I found were unsatisfactory.

What I finally ended up doing was putting Dovecot, an IMAP server, on
my desktop computer. All my emails are on my IMAP server, and Claws
just acts as a device to look at them. I pinholed my firewall to the
Internet so I can access that IMAP server via ssh, when I'm travelling,
so I no longer have to sync laptops to my desktop. 

This isn't perfect: It leaves my entire home network as a single point
of failure for email while I'm on the road, and I'll need to do
something about that later on, but so far it's been the best solution
to email that I've ever found. Oh, and one huge advantage: Never again
will a mail client hold hostage my email folders. I can, and often do,
access my email with Thunderbird, usually as a troubleshooting
diagnostic test. But if Claws ever became horrible, it would be trivial
to swap in a different (IMAP aware) email client. Of course, we all
fervently hope that Claws will never suffer the quality implosion that
Kmail did, but it's good to know that if that happens, you have an easy
way out.

A few details:

* Fetchmail grabs email from my various email accounts every five
  minutes, and passes them to Procmail.

* Procmail drops the emails into the proper Dovecot maildir folders,
  according to my .procmailrc

* Claws sees my Dovecot server as an "account".


HTH,

SteveT

Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


From jdalinux at yahoo.com.br  Wed Oct 30 17:00:02 2013
From: jdalinux at yahoo.com.br (Jean Ackle)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:00:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Users] IMAP folders subscriptions with Gmail account
In-Reply-To: <20131030145541.5d0ccdc9@thewildbeast>
References: <1372762299.838.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>	<1383143855.91546.YahooMailNeo@web140601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<20131030145541.5d0ccdc9@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <1383148802.56447.YahooMailNeo@web140605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>






> On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:56 PM, Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:37:35 -0700 (PDT)
> Jean Ackle <jdalinux at yahoo.com.br> wrote: 
> 
>>  I haven't actually found the definitive sollution to this (I think
>>  there is none as Google Mail and IMAP folders are not direct
>>  matches, namelly regarding Gmail Labels being  "translated" to 
> IMAP
>>  folders).
> 
> GMail labels *are* folders.
> 
Indeed they are. And you can place several copies of the same one file into several different folders.
And I would go as far as guessing the Labels on your Gmail messages are stored in Google's servers as different *links* to the same one message.
However, in Claws Mail, as indeed I presume similarly in most if not all e-mail clients, if you subscribe to say folder 'INBOX' and 'Bills' at the same time, you will download the same one message that you got in your box and that got labelled "Bills" twice. And it will indeed occupy, in your disk,  twice as much space as one single message-file.
And of course, if you apply several labels to one Gmail message, you will have that many more copies.
That is the problem.



From 3daniele03 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 30 17:52:12 2013
From: 3daniele03 at gmail.com (Daniele Boffi)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:52:12 +0100
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
Message-ID: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>

I regret to admit that, after testing CM on slow IMAP connections, I
had to switch to Thunderbird as default mail client for my laptop.

Let me explain why, hoping that someone will convince me to come back
to CM.

I am managing a very large amount of mail (10Gb+) organized in a lot of
folders and subfolders and archived in an IMAP server.

After I hit "Get Mail", and if I have a good network connection,
everything is fine and all my folders are updated with new messages
almost instantaneously.

On the other hand, if the network is not so fast, checking for new
messages can take *very long* time. Of course, there is nothing CM can
do in order to speedup the process if the network is slow. But the
negative side is that when CM is checking for new mail, it cannot be
used for anything else (not even for sending mails).

Looking at old threads in this list, I have the feeling that this not
avoidable. Please, correct me if I am wrong: I would be happy to know
that I am missing something and, if this is the case, to come back to a
usable CM.

Thanks,

Daniele


From marcel at hsdev.com  Wed Oct 30 18:12:05 2013
From: marcel at hsdev.com (Marcel van der Boom)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:12:05 +0100
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
In-Reply-To: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
References: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
Message-ID: <20131030181205.5ced13aa@hsdev.com>



On wo 30-okt-2013 17:52
Daniele Boffi <3daniele03 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Looking at old threads in this list, I have the feeling that this not
> avoidable. Please, correct me if I am wrong: I would be happy to know
> that I am missing something and, if this is the case, to come back to
> a usable CM.

It is not avoidable as such within CM, but exactly for this reason I
run a local Dovecot IMAP server, which i sync up with the 'real' server
with offlineimap.

So, my incoming mail chain looks like this:
  
  CM <-- Local Dovecote IMAP <-- offline-imap <-- Remote IMAP server

Claws connects to the local IMAP server only and is thus always fast.

Obvious disadvantage is added complexity, but once setup, it works fine.

hth,
marcel
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From 3daniele03 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 30 18:33:36 2013
From: 3daniele03 at gmail.com (Daniele Boffi)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:33:36 +0100
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
In-Reply-To: <20131030181205.5ced13aa@hsdev.com>
References: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
	<20131030181205.5ced13aa@hsdev.com>
Message-ID: <20131030183336.78911a18@fermat.unipv.it>

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:12:05 +0100
Marcel van der Boom <marcel at hsdev.com> wrote:

> So, my incoming mail chain looks like this:
>   
>   CM <-- Local Dovecote IMAP <-- offline-imap <-- Remote IMAP server

Thanks for you answer.
I will give offlineimap another try. I actually installed it at the
beginning, but for some reason I decided not to use it.

Is there any possibility of conflicts if I connect with different
clients at the same time? I suspect that copying and syncing the IMAP
repository between the two server can be source of trouble... It is not
like having a local copy produced by the mail client.
In this respect Thunderbird seems more reliable but I have no
experience of CM and offlineimap.


From barry at python.org  Wed Oct 30 18:38:06 2013
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:38:06 -0400
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
References: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
Message-ID: <20131030133806.0d73993d@anarchist>

On Oct 30, 2013, at 05:52 PM, Daniele Boffi wrote:

>After I hit "Get Mail", and if I have a good network connection,
>everything is fine and all my folders are updated with new messages
>almost instantaneously.
>
>On the other hand, if the network is not so fast, checking for new
>messages can take *very long* time.

I think this problem is inherent in the single-threadedness of Claws, but
others are more able to address the technical aspects of this.

I'm almost always on a fast (enough) network connection that it doesn't bother
me, and the advantages of Claws outweighs the occasional delay.

The worst part for me is checking the NNTP groups (i.e. Gmane).  On a fast
network, there is still a delay, but it's not so bad.  On slow networks it's
unbearable.  I have to disable checking of Gmane.

Short of getting some amount of multithreaded behavior into Claws (an
admittedly large and disruptive task no doubt), I wonder if it would be
possible to define some kind of preferences which allowed me to say
essentially: "When I'm on network X, check everything, but when I'm not, only
check this imap server or that one."

That would go a long way to allowing me to easily go traveling with Claws.

Cheers,
-Barry
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From freebsd at grem.de  Wed Oct 30 18:39:50 2013
From: freebsd at grem.de (Michael Gmelin)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:39:50 +0100
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
In-Reply-To: <20131030183336.78911a18@fermat.unipv.it>
References: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
	<20131030181205.5ced13aa@hsdev.com>
	<20131030183336.78911a18@fermat.unipv.it>
Message-ID: <20131030183950.2b334fcf@bsd64.grem.de>



On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:33:36 +0100
Daniele Boffi <3daniele03 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:12:05 +0100
> Marcel van der Boom <marcel at hsdev.com> wrote:
> 
> > So, my incoming mail chain looks like this:
> >   
> >   CM <-- Local Dovecote IMAP <-- offline-imap <-- Remote IMAP server
> 
> Thanks for you answer.
> I will give offlineimap another try. I actually installed it at the
> beginning, but for some reason I decided not to use it.
> 
> Is there any possibility of conflicts if I connect with different
> clients at the same time? I suspect that copying and syncing the IMAP
> repository between the two server can be source of trouble... It is
> not like having a local copy produced by the mail client.
> In this respect Thunderbird seems more reliable but I have no
> experience of CM and offlineimap.

You might want to try mbsync (http://isync.sourceforge.net) as well,
seems to get a little bit more active development and I generally heard
good things about it.

> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users



-- 
Michael Gmelin


From ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 30 20:30:34 2013
From: ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk (Kevin Chadwick)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:30:34 +0000
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
In-Reply-To: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
References: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
Message-ID: <845378.63581.bm@smtp102.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>

previously on this list Daniele Boffi contributed:

> Looking at old threads in this list, I have the feeling that this not
> avoidable. Please, correct me if I am wrong: I would be happy to know
> that I am missing something and, if this is the case, to come back to a
> usable CM.
> 

Seems ok to me though I don't have as much mail as you. You could try
using folders to reduce the number in the INBOX or folders you click on
most. I also put the imap cache folder on a ram disk for security
reasons really and perhaps that speeds it up for me too? 

It won't help much with filtering on a slow connection though if you
get loads every day.

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________

'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work
together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a
universal interface'

(Doug McIlroy)

In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd
_______________________________________________________________________


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Oct 30 21:01:39 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 20:01:39 +0000
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
In-Reply-To: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
References: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
Message-ID: <20131030200139.49ebcb5a@thewildbeast>

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:52:12 +0100
Daniele Boffi <3daniele03 at gmail.com> wrote: 

> Looking at old threads in this list, I have the feeling that this
> not avoidable. Please, correct me if I am wrong: I would be happy
> to know that I am missing something and, if this is the case, to
> come back to a usable CM.

It depends on your usage, but turning off 'scan for new mail' in all
folders that you don't need to scan every time you check for new mail
would help. See folder properties.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu Oct 31 03:20:09 2013
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:20:09 -0400
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
In-Reply-To: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
References: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
Message-ID: <20131030222009.10c59474@mydesk>

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:52:12 +0100
Daniele Boffi <3daniele03 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I regret to admit that, after testing CM on slow IMAP connections, I
> had to switch to Thunderbird as default mail client for my laptop.
> 
> Let me explain why, hoping that someone will convince me to come back
> to CM.
> 
> I am managing a very large amount of mail (10Gb+) organized in a lot
> of folders and subfolders and archived in an IMAP server.
> 
> After I hit "Get Mail", and if I have a good network connection,
> everything is fine and all my folders are updated with new messages
> almost instantaneously.
> 
> On the other hand, if the network is not so fast, checking for new
> messages can take *very long* time. Of course, there is nothing CM can
> do in order to speedup the process if the network is slow. But the
> negative side is that when CM is checking for new mail, it cannot be
> used for anything else (not even for sending mails).

What I do is click my most active folder, which in my case is INBOX.
This downloads messages for INBOX only, and doesn't take much time.
*Then* I click the Get Mail button, and while the stuff's downloading,
I read the mail in INBOX. You're right, I can't reply to it, but at
least I can read it.

Like I said in another email, I would think that it wouldn't be that
hard for the developers to have the Get Mail button run a separate
process concurrently with Claws.

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


From 3daniele03 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 31 09:20:54 2013
From: 3daniele03 at gmail.com (Daniele Boffi)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:20:54 +0100
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
In-Reply-To: <20131030222009.10c59474@mydesk>
References: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
	<20131030222009.10c59474@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20131031092054.5cb99f79@fermat.unipv.it>

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:20:09 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> Like I said in another email, I would think that it wouldn't be that
> hard for the developers to have the Get Mail button run a separate
> process concurrently with Claws.

This would certainly be a good idea.

Let me try to explain a little better some of the drawbacks that I am
experiencing when using a poor network connection.

I often travel with high speed trains. In that situation the network is
very slow and intermittent (frequent network freezes due to high speed,
tunnels, etc.).

- Even syncing a small folder can take minutes... and during the wait
  CM is simply unusable.

- Changing to a different folder does not show the local copy if you
  are on-line. The message list is shown only after the folder is
  checked for new mail (and this can take time).

- If I am sending a message and want to save a copy to an IMAP folder,
  the message is not delivered until the copy is saved. If the
  connection to the IMAP server timeouts, then the delivery is aborted.

I have to try if offlineimap can be a good solution. I hope so, because
I am missing several features of CM .

For sure, Thunderbird is very effective even with poor network
connection: you can keep working and all the necessary network
transfers are performed in background.
For instance, when I change folder, the local cache is shown
immediately and only the cursor shows that TB is syncing the folder
with the server; in the meantime I can read/answer messages, compose
new mail. New messages in the folder are shown as they are downloaded.
And if I decide to change folder before the sync has been completed,
the new priority of TB is to sync the new folder (the process on the
previous folder is completed in background).

Cheers,

Daniele


From gour at atmarama.net  Thu Oct 31 10:34:19 2013
From: gour at atmarama.net (Gour)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 10:34:19 +0100
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
References: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
	<20131030181205.5ced13aa@hsdev.com>
	<20131030183336.78911a18@fermat.unipv.it>
	<20131030183950.2b334fcf@bsd64.grem.de>
Message-ID: <20131031103419.29d9ee06@atmarama.noip.me>

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 18:39:50 +0100
Michael Gmelin <freebsd at grem.de> wrote:

> > >   CM <-- Local Dovecote IMAP <-- offline-imap <-- Remote IMAP
> > > server

I also run local Dovecot IMAP server which is fed by getmail cronjobs,
but without offline-imap, and it works great.

> You might want to try mbsync (http://isync.sourceforge.net) as well,
> seems to get a little bit more active development and I generally
> heard good things about it.

Never heard about it, but after checking both sites it seems that
offline-imap has more recent release (http://offlineimap.org/).


Sincerely,
Gour


-- 
One who restrains the senses of action but whose mind dwells on 
sense objects certainly deludes himself and is called a pretender.

http://www.atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: 52B5C810




From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu Oct 31 03:17:00 2013
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:17:00 -0400
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
In-Reply-To: <20131030133806.0d73993d@anarchist>
References: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
	<20131030133806.0d73993d@anarchist>
Message-ID: <20131030221700.395585d1@mydesk>

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:38:06 -0400
Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:


> Short of getting some amount of multithreaded behavior into Claws (an
> admittedly large and disruptive task no doubt), I wonder if it would

Am I on drugs, or is multithreading not the only way to do simultaneous
processes? I have a shellscript that allows me to type in info for the
next vinyl record, while this vinyl record plays and then converts
to .ogg and normalizes. All I did was exec a process. 

I've seen enough of Claws' source code to know that nothing's trivial,
but it would seem to me a fairly easy thing to fork a process to get
email, so that you can read some email while downloading other email.
IIRC Apache works by forking processes too. I think Samba does also.

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


From andrej at kacian.sk  Thu Oct 31 17:33:27 2013
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:33:27 +0100
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
In-Reply-To: <20131030221700.395585d1@mydesk>
References: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
	<20131030133806.0d73993d@anarchist>
	<20131030221700.395585d1@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20131031173327.478afbf3@penny>

On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:17:00 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> > Short of getting some amount of multithreaded behavior into Claws (an
> > admittedly large and disruptive task no doubt), I wonder if it would  
> 
> Am I on drugs, or is multithreading not the only way to do simultaneous
> processes? I have a shellscript that allows me to type in info for the
> next vinyl record, while this vinyl record plays and then converts
> to .ogg and normalizes. All I did was exec a process. 

Yes, but multi-process code is even more complex than multithreading, what with
all the IPC involved. :)

-- 
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian dot sk>


From subscript at free.fr  Thu Oct 31 17:44:04 2013
From: subscript at free.fr (wwp)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:44:04 +0100
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
In-Reply-To: <20131031173327.478afbf3@penny>
References: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
	<20131030133806.0d73993d@anarchist>
	<20131030221700.395585d1@mydesk> <20131031173327.478afbf3@penny>
Message-ID: <20131031174404.71837f48@anthra>

Hello,


On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:33:27 +0100 Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:17:00 -0400
> Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> 
> > > Short of getting some amount of multithreaded behavior into Claws (an
> > > admittedly large and disruptive task no doubt), I wonder if it would  
> > 
> > Am I on drugs, or is multithreading not the only way to do simultaneous
> > processes? I have a shellscript that allows me to type in info for the
> > next vinyl record, while this vinyl record plays and then converts
> > to .ogg and normalizes. All I did was exec a process. 
> 
> Yes, but multi-process code is even more complex than multithreading, what with
> all the IPC involved. :)

Right, what matters is not the way you de-synchronize two processes,
but the way you synchronize them back, whatever it's about handling
concurrent access to resources or process communication. That's what
probably doesn't happen at all in SteveT's example (script that manages
vynil-to-ogg flow).


Regards,

-- 
wwp
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From bbowler at bigelow.org  Thu Oct 31 20:39:59 2013
From: bbowler at bigelow.org (Bruce Bowler)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:39:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Users] Signatures
Message-ID: <l4ubmf$mvt$1@ger.gmane.org>

I've pretty much completely switched over to Claws from Sylpheed, but 
there are a few things that Sylpheed does differently for Claws, and I 
like the Sylpheed way better.  I'm wondering if there's a configuration 
option that I missed somewhere along the line.

I'm running Claws version 3.9.3-94-gc6f41d on Windows 7 Pro.

I have a program that auto-generates signatures by pulling quotes out of a 
text file.  It works well, but on occasion generates a signature that 
would not be appropriate for a particular situation and/or recipient.  In 
Sylpheed, if I hit the 'Append Signature' button in the compose window, it 
would either append a signature if none exists, or it would replace the 
signature if one was already present.  In Claws, 'insert signature' always 
inserts a signature, even if one already exists.

Is there functionality in Claws to behave the way that Sylpheed does?  
Yes, I know I can manually delete the 'inappropriate' signature manually, 
but a) computers are supposed to make life easier and b) I can't think of 
a situation where I'd want to append 2 signature blocks to a given email.

Thanks!
Bruce




From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu Oct 31 20:55:29 2013
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:55:29 -0400
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
In-Reply-To: <20131031173327.478afbf3@penny>
References: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
	<20131030133806.0d73993d@anarchist>
	<20131030221700.395585d1@mydesk> <20131031173327.478afbf3@penny>
Message-ID: <20131031155529.11ada91d@mydesk>

On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:33:27 +0100
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:17:00 -0400
> Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> 
> > > Short of getting some amount of multithreaded behavior into Claws
> > > (an admittedly large and disruptive task no doubt), I wonder if
> > > it would  
> > 
> > Am I on drugs, or is multithreading not the only way to do
> > simultaneous processes? I have a shellscript that allows me to type
> > in info for the next vinyl record, while this vinyl record plays
> > and then converts to .ogg and normalizes. All I did was exec a
> > process. 
> 
> Yes, but multi-process code is even more complex than multithreading,
> what with all the IPC involved. :)

What IPC? You fork or doublefork a the subroutine that gets the mail.
I'm assuming here, and please tell me I'm right, that this subroutine
is pure batch process, not batch process mixed up with GUI.

If you mean the need to cancel the thing, that's as simple as saving
the forked process's PID, and from the foreground issuing a kill signal
to it. If you want the fetch to have a progress bar and a cancel
button, put a tiny GUI front end on it. Make it a separate executable
for that matter.

I know getting threads right is difficult, but spawning processes isn't
rocket science.

SteveT

Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu Oct 31 21:02:17 2013
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:02:17 -0400
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
In-Reply-To: <20131031174404.71837f48@anthra>
References: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
	<20131030133806.0d73993d@anarchist>
	<20131030221700.395585d1@mydesk> <20131031173327.478afbf3@penny>
	<20131031174404.71837f48@anthra>
Message-ID: <20131031160217.3caba72b@mydesk>

On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:44:04 +0100
wwp <subscript at free.fr> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> 
> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:33:27 +0100 Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk>
> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:17:00 -0400
> > Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > > Short of getting some amount of multithreaded behavior into
> > > > Claws (an admittedly large and disruptive task no doubt), I
> > > > wonder if it would  
> > > 
> > > Am I on drugs, or is multithreading not the only way to do
> > > simultaneous processes? I have a shellscript that allows me to
> > > type in info for the next vinyl record, while this vinyl record
> > > plays and then converts to .ogg and normalizes. All I did was
> > > exec a process. 
> > 
> > Yes, but multi-process code is even more complex than
> > multithreading, what with all the IPC involved. :)
> 
> Right, what matters is not the way you de-synchronize two processes,
> but the way you synchronize them back, whatever it's about handling
> concurrent access to resources or process communication. That's what
> probably doesn't happen at all in SteveT's example (script that
> manages vynil-to-ogg flow).

OK, how about this:

Put a flag on the code to grab email so it can be turned off. Then make
a copy of the email grabbing routine, and put it in its own executable.
People like the original poster and I can just run the email grab from
the command line, when *we* decide to, and it won't impact our ability
to use Claws while grabbing the mail.

If you're worried about someone doing a "delete all" while this is in
effect, there could be a flag somewhere (put it in a file for all I
care --- reading a file takes no time compared to anything else) saying
"this folder is being written to." Seriously, there has to be a simple
way.

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


From barry at python.org  Thu Oct 31 21:07:16 2013
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:07:16 -0400
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
References: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
	<20131030133806.0d73993d@anarchist>
	<20131030221700.395585d1@mydesk> <20131031173327.478afbf3@penny>
	<20131031155529.11ada91d@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20131031160716.4b3f1244@anarchist>

On Oct 31, 2013, at 03:55 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

>I know getting threads right is difficult, but spawning processes isn't
>rocket science.

I haven't looked at Claws's source at all in this regard, but spawning
separate processes instead of threads is probably not the issue.  Even if it
forks[*] instead of spawning a thread, the main Claws process will still need
some information that only that subprocess will have, e.g at least a status of
the subprocess (DONE, PROGRESS, SUCCESS, FAILURE) and the headers of the
messages it's retrieved so that it can display them in the summary window.

So now you've got IPC.

There are lots of ways of doing IPC, but most get pretty complicated to do
correctly when you want a cross-platform solution.  Too bad you can't use
Python's multiprocessing modules. :) And of course above all else, I want
Claws to be extremely robust so there's no possibility of me losing email, or
even inaccurately representing the state of my inbox due to loss of
synchronization between processes.

Or put another way, the Claws developers are all top notch, and I'm sure that
if it were easy, it would be done already.

Cheers,
-Barry

[*] and then there's Windows (for some folks) to worry about.
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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Oct 31 21:25:42 2013
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 20:25:42 +0000
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
In-Reply-To: <20131031160217.3caba72b@mydesk>
References: <20131030175212.3e29a8fc@fermat.unipv.it>
	<20131030133806.0d73993d@anarchist>
	<20131030221700.395585d1@mydesk> <20131031173327.478afbf3@penny>
	<20131031174404.71837f48@anthra> <20131031160217.3caba72b@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20131031202542.62c691cf@thewildbeast>

On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:02:17 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote: 

> OK, how about this:
> 
> Put a flag on the code to grab email so it can be turned off. Then
> make a copy of the email grabbing routine, and put it in its own
> executable. People like the original poster and I can just run the
> email grab from the command line, when *we* decide to, and it won't
> impact our ability to use Claws while grabbing the mail.
> 
> If you're worried about someone doing a "delete all" while this is
> in effect, there could be a flag somewhere (put it in a file for
> all I care --- reading a file takes no time compared to anything
> else) saying "this folder is being written to." Seriously, there
> has to be a simple way.

Sounds like you must have a patch already brewing! :)

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu Oct 31 21:33:57 2013
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:33:57 -0400
Subject: [Users] Finally,
 I had to switch to Thunderbird. CM is too slow to be usable!
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Message-ID: <20131031163357.74e0bb7f@mydesk>

On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 20:25:42 +0000
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:02:17 -0400
> Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote: 
> 
> > OK, how about this:
> > 
> > Put a flag on the code to grab email so it can be turned off. Then
> > make a copy of the email grabbing routine, and put it in its own
> > executable. People like the original poster and I can just run the
> > email grab from the command line, when *we* decide to, and it won't
> > impact our ability to use Claws while grabbing the mail.
> > 
> > If you're worried about someone doing a "delete all" while this is
> > in effect, there could be a flag somewhere (put it in a file for
> > all I care --- reading a file takes no time compared to anything
> > else) saying "this folder is being written to." Seriously, there
> > has to be a simple way.
> 
> Sounds like you must have a patch already brewing! :)
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul

So which file contains the code to download messages?

SteveT