[Users] Create filter/proc question.

Mark Filipak markfilipak.linux at gmail.com
Mon Apr 8 07:06:19 CEST 2013

On 2013/4/7 4:35 PM, Salvatore De Paolis wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:24:19 -0400
> Mark Filipak <markfilipak.linux at gmail.com> wrote:
>> You guys have your noses pushed into tree trunks and can't see the forest. Oh
>> well. I could help and I'm willing to contribute, but what I don't want is
>> arguing. Argument is fine but blind opposition is not... I'm just getting too
>> old for that.
> Agreed on that. That's only because in Europe is harder to find lophophora williamsii.

Oh, my. You agree with me because you have seen Mescalito? Hahahahahaha... I used to free climb with Mescalito. What a world.

> By the way if you don't feel like arguing don't do it. There are better things to do, for
> example listening to, understanding, etc. .. ... ..

Salvatore. I have tried and tried and tried to get Claws to work... And I really want it to work. I really, really do. Nothing seems to work. I create a new account and go to the where the folder is supposed to be and it's not there. I have a ton of xbox to convert.

I have to have Claws in my Linux Mint guest and in my Windows XP host both installed and working with the two mail systems linked via a shared folder - a VMware share, not a network share. So lots of things can go wrong, and they are. I read and reread and reread the user guide. It doesn't help. I can use a tool I don't understand if it's reliable and well spelled out, but the user manual requires the user to 'understand' Claws and I don't - the Claws architecture makes no sense to me. It's a cipher to me.

Now, my first computer was an IMSAI 8080 that I built from a kit while I was in engineering school in 1975. I've owned maybe 25 computers of increasing power from then on. In business I've used IBM 360s, PDP-11s, HP-3000s, Intergraphs, Suns, Macintoshes, PCs. A mix of CLI and GUI systems. Unix, CP/M, Novel, Solaris, MS-DOS, and MS-Windows. I've designed hardware for most of them. I've programmed in Java, C, VB, FORTRAN, Pascal, PL/1, Snobol, Forth, x86 assembly, 8051 assembly, 6502 assembly, 68x assembly. I've designed hardware using many and various GUI-based schematic editors and also VHDL and various other hardware description languages (but, oddly, not Verilog).

I don't know what it is, but Linux gives me an incredible amount of trouble. Until recently, I'd never successfully installed a Linux system. I'd tried at various times over the last 15 years. It seems really odd to me considering that I had been a very early adopter of MINIX and successfully installed it and used for a while.

I'm now running Mint in a VM with no problem, but I had to switch from VBox to VMware to get it to install. Before that I was seeking help with Debian from the Debian users group. I had so much trouble that I was accused of being a troll. It simply would not install. I got abuse instead of help. The best advice I got was to not use a virtual machine. They didn't seem to understand that I didn't care about Linux. I only cared about not using Windows on the Internet. Linux is just a means to the end of running web clients in something that wasn't Windows.

My objective is a Windows host without networking and a Linux guest with networking so that I can have Internet access but without the possibility that Windows can pick up a virus - in 20 years I've had 2 rootkit viruses and I never want another. I have that combination working and now I'm looking for web client programs. I used to run Netscape and Eudora and Forte Agent, then Opera and Pegasus, then Firefox and TBird, but TBird is getting so flaky I have to give it up because mbox format is fragile and prone to corruption - my sig line in the Mozilla mailing list is

The Insect Hall of Fame:
Thunderbird Bug 121947 - 11 years and counting.

That bug, to which I've contributed, is _the_ definitive mbox bug involving escaping (as a regexp) "^From: [^@]+@[.]+$". They don't even have that bug assigned to anyone. 11 years and scores of reports and they have no one assigned. If you go to the TBird forum you'll see that a large number of the mailbox corruptions are caused by their bad implementation of the mbox format. It's one of the major continuing discussion points. Well, I've lost my patience with TBird.

I can't use Eudora or Pegasus because they're not cross-platform. So I'm stuck with either Claws or Evolution, and I understand that Evolution is like MS-Outlook so that's pretty much out.

I'm going to slow down and record my experiences. My problems begin with the 1st-run wizard. I posted some of my problems and didn't get any comments. I'll try again tomorrow.

Ciao - Mark.
VMware Player 5.0.2
Host: WinXP3, 32-bit
Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10

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