From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 2 16:30:56 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:30:56 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 1449] Make email notification (chime/LED/etc.) account-specific... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1449 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mones at users.sourceforge.net Component|General |Plugins/Notification Hardware|Nokia n800 |All Product|Claws Mail (Maemo) |Claws Mail -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 2 17:15:12 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:15:12 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2898] Attachement remover missing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2898 Abhay S. Kushwaha changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED CC| |clawsmail at kushwaha.com Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #2 from Abhay S. Kushwaha --- Attachment Remover is part of the release. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching someone on the CC list of the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 2 17:17:39 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:17:39 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 1560] Remember visited URLs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1560 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|Other |Plugins/Fancy Version|other |GIT -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 2 17:23:06 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:23:06 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 1869] Request Internet Connection Rather than Fail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1869 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED CC| |mones at users.sourceforge.net Resolution|--- |WONTFIX --- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones --- Platform is not supported anymore. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 2 17:24:57 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:24:57 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 1972] undo Move to Trash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1972 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|Other |Folders -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 2 17:39:25 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:39:25 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2124] Repeat events with vCalendar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2124 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|Other |Plugins/vCalendar -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 2 17:50:05 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:50:05 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2139] Check accounts at different frequencies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2139 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED CC| |mones at users.sourceforge.net Resolution|--- |MOVED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 2 17:54:14 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:54:14 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2139] Check accounts at different frequencies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2139 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Resolution|MOVED |DUPLICATE --- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones --- Not really, this is the original one, but discussion was posted on the duplicate instead, so closing this one. *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 2552 *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 2 17:54:14 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:54:14 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2552] in automatic checking, enable the use of different time intervals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2552 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |clawsbugs at pistos.oib.com --- Comment #29 from Ricardo Mones --- *** Bug 2139 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 2 18:00:36 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 16:00:36 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 1500] Enhancement req: address book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1500 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED CC| |mones at users.sourceforge.net Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #2 from Ricardo Mones --- Even if the platform is not supported, the new contacts should address platform-independent requests, so closing as fixed. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 2 18:02:34 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 16:02:34 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 1660] Claws terminates on dbl-ckick of trashcan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1660 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED CC| |mones at users.sourceforge.net Resolution|--- |WONTFIX --- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones --- Platform is not supported anymore. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 2 18:03:35 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 16:03:35 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 1848] Contents of Trash folder marked as read In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1848 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED CC| |mones at users.sourceforge.net Resolution|--- |WONTFIX --- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones --- Platform is not supported anymore. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 2 18:05:04 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 16:05:04 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2547] Won't Save Password In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2547 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED CC| |mones at users.sourceforge.net Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 2 18:06:39 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 16:06:39 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 1415] Need way to change mail cache location after initial setup... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1415 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |WONTFIX --- Comment #6 from Ricardo Mones --- Platform is not supported anymore. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 2 18:08:29 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 16:08:29 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 1497] After receiving new mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1497 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED CC| |mones at users.sourceforge.net Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 2 19:41:57 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 17:41:57 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2552] in automatic checking, enable the use of different time intervals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2552 swbraun at gmx.net changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |swbraun at gmx.net --- Comment #30 from swbraun at gmx.net --- Please reconsider for this patch what Abhay said. I'm a simple user who is able to do maths and the multiplication of two numbers is no problem for me, but I don't want something like "mail check time intervals" to become a science. Having to reconsider the global time "base" everytime I set a new per account time and having to remember that I will change ALL per account time, when I change the global pref is simply NOT userfriendly. I don't do these things very often but when I do it, I want it to be easy to use and do what I want it to do. Having these "multiply sliders" makes this simple feature very complex but makes it hard to apply a real custom setup. For example I want a 10 min default, I have one important account I want to check every 3 mins, and then there is one freemail account, that only lets you check your mails every 15 mins, but is not too reliable in that so I make is safe and want to check it every 16 mins. Can you explain me why I should use a global check interval of 1 minute and set ALL my default accounts to "10 x global" to achieve this configuration? Sorry, but this makes no sense and is super counter intuitive. Please go back to the original idea to set independent values for the global and the per account values. Thanks! swb -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Apr 3 13:34:35 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 11:34:35 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2899] New: Claws Mail crashes after fetching messages from the "All mail" folder in GMail Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2899 Bug ID: 2899 Summary: Claws Mail crashes after fetching messages from the "All mail" folder in GMail Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.9.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: major Priority: P3 Component: Folders/IMAP Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: m.keyran at gmail.com Created attachment 1250 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1250&action=edit Log of the valgrind Claws Mail crashes with SEGFAULT after trying to get the contents of the "All Mail" folder from gmail. There is last lines from gdb: summaryview.c:3097: Setting summary from message data... procmsg.c:301:TIMING procmsg_get_thread_tree thread by subject: 0s006ms procmsg.c:311:TIMING procmsg_get_thread_tree : 0s048ms summaryview.c:3138:TIMING summary_set_ctree_from_list threaded: 0s149ms summaryview.c:3185:done. summaryview.c:3188: msgid hash table size = 8662 summaryview.c:3191: subject hash table size = 0 summaryview.c:2960:Sorting summary... Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x0000000000682f0b in gtk_cmctree_post_recursive (ctree=, node=, func=, data=) at gtkcmctree.c:3304 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From neels at hofmeyr.de Wed Apr 3 15:03:42 2013 From: neels at hofmeyr.de (Neels Hofmeyr) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 15:03:42 +0200 Subject: [Users] line wrapping when prepending In-Reply-To: <20130327120349.4ecd9e24@pc09.procura.nl> References: <20130327113833.32297c86@dub.nat.stsp.name> <20130327120349.4ecd9e24@pc09.procura.nl> Message-ID: <20130403150342.2387a4d6@dub.nat.stsp.name> Pierre Fortin wrote: > OMG!!!!!!!!! Let's be REALLY CAREFUL about getting back into the > "wrap" code... IMHO unmaintainable code is per se not desirable, so I don't really count that as an argument for not changing anything. If finding triggers takes two years, sorry, that is just really really bad code. Granted, I am not really in a position to preach, I've so far contributed but one patch. Please don't be offended by my humble remarks. Above all: Thanks for Claws! :) BTW, is the current desired line wrapping behavior documented somewhere, in a single place? (I read "Quoting initials should now be supported" -- so I ask myself, are issues like this only found in ML posts?) Steve Litt wrote: > The riff of deleting and reinserting a space is hardly any work at > all. Hmm. That is precisely what I find so irritable. It makes me feel like ... a space monkey. Having to navigate and edit around just to wrap is cumbersome. It should be easier. > If the dash is meant to be a hyphen, wrapping > would be nice. But if it's glue (for instance, a shellscript > variable, it shouldn't wrap. Then again, shellscript variable names don't contain dashes ... ? If a long shell command line contains spaces it is wrapped anyway ... ? Do you have an actual real example where wrapping at a dash is bad? > In my opinion Claws' current word wrapping is one of its best > strengths. I *hugely* appreciate that Claws enables me to make a line > "too long" if that's what I want, or "too short" if that's what I > want. I wasn't aware of that use case, actually. My usage of mail is pretty much flowing text, and I'd appreciate if it just wrapped itself. If I want to include runnable code or verbatim data, I always use file attachments anyway. Have had too much trouble with copy-pastos of mixed encodings, line ending styles, tab eating and whatnot. BTW, how *do* you make a line too long? Particularly, how do you *edit* a line that is too long? I don't see how that is practicable (read: please help me see it your way). "H.Merijn Brand" wrote: > What is missing - at least in 3.9.0-160-g6eabcd - is a way to re-wrap > a paragraph with Ctrl-L > > I think it is DWIM/locig/not-to-difficult to select a paragraph and > after hitting Ctrl-L rewraps that selected part as if it were one line +1! That is a multitude better than navigating + removing + adding spaces. Plus whoever dislikes it may simply avoid hitting Ctrl-L. Let me add: when there is an active text selection, only the selected lines should be wrapped. With multiple paragraphs selected, each paragraph should be wrapped separately, keeping blank lines. Ideally I could just type type type, and in the end hit Ctrl-A Ctrl-L. Thanks for your remarks and opinions! While I personally disagree, I am now aware that some actually like the line wrapping as it is. So if at all, I would endeavour attempting a "Ctrl-L patch", lest other changes would be thwarted a-priori. And I'd give wrapping at dashes a try; maybe even make that optional, if need be. ...hacking days are too short. ~Neels -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From slitt at troubleshooters.com Wed Apr 3 16:38:30 2013 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:38:30 -0400 Subject: [Users] line wrapping when prepending In-Reply-To: <20130403150342.2387a4d6@dub.nat.stsp.name> References: <20130327113833.32297c86@dub.nat.stsp.name> <20130327120349.4ecd9e24@pc09.procura.nl> <20130403150342.2387a4d6@dub.nat.stsp.name> Message-ID: <20130403103830.7c81b469@mylap4.domain.cxm> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 15:03:42 +0200 Neels Hofmeyr wrote: > Pierre Fortin wrote: > > > OMG!!!!!!!!! Let's be REALLY CAREFUL about getting back into the > > "wrap" code... > > IMHO unmaintainable code is per se not desirable, so I don't really > count that as an argument for not changing anything. If finding > triggers takes two years, sorry, that is just really really bad code. Neels, Thank you very much for volunteering to code, debug, and test this enhancement. When you code it, please make a configuration option to keep it like it is now, because I like it just the way it is, and I have a feeling I'm not alone. Thanks, Steve Litt From h.m.brand at xs4all.nl Wed Apr 3 16:59:12 2013 From: h.m.brand at xs4all.nl (H.Merijn Brand) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:59:12 +0200 Subject: [Users] line wrapping when prepending In-Reply-To: <20130403103830.7c81b469@mylap4.domain.cxm> References: <20130327113833.32297c86@dub.nat.stsp.name> <20130327120349.4ecd9e24@pc09.procura.nl> <20130403150342.2387a4d6@dub.nat.stsp.name> <20130403103830.7c81b469@mylap4.domain.cxm> Message-ID: <20130403165912.34fc589f@pc09.procura.nl> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:38:30 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 15:03:42 +0200 > Neels Hofmeyr wrote: > > > Pierre Fortin wrote: > > > > > OMG!!!!!!!!! Let's be REALLY CAREFUL about getting back into the > > > "wrap" code... > > > > IMHO unmaintainable code is per se not desirable, so I don't really > > count that as an argument for not changing anything. If finding > > triggers takes two years, sorry, that is just really really bad code. > > Neels, > > Thank you very much for volunteering to code, debug, and test this > enhancement. When you code it, please make a configuration option to > keep it like it is now, because I like it just the way it is, and I > have a feeling I'm not alone. I like it the way it is, but having the *extra* possibility to wrap/format selected code would be very welcome. And with that, I see no need for an option, as it currently does nothing and re-flow selected text on Control-L seem very DWIM to me. > Thanks, > > Steve Litt -- H.Merijn Brand http://tux.nl Perl Monger http://amsterdam.pm.org/ using perl5.00307 .. 5.17 porting perl5 on HP-UX, AIX, and openSUSE http://mirrors.develooper.com/hpux/ http://www.test-smoke.org/ http://qa.perl.org http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/ From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Apr 3 17:31:30 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:31:30 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2900] New: show folder names in tooltip when hoovering Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2900 Bug ID: 2900 Summary: show folder names in tooltip when hoovering Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: GIT Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P3 Component: UI/Folder List Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: mones at users.sourceforge.net Some folder names can be long, and it's not very nice to have to resize twice the "Folder" column just to read it. Like already done in the message list with the subject field, would be nice that hoovering on the folder name would show a tooltip with the full name. Showing it only when the name is too long to fit the column would be superb, but not strictly required to close this as fixed ;) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From denis.feurer at ird.fr Wed Apr 3 18:04:37 2013 From: denis.feurer at ird.fr (Denis FEURER) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:04:37 +0100 Subject: [Users] AttRemover plugin : I'd like to keep a trace of deleted attachments Message-ID: <20130403160441.90EADB7A6DF@fx801.security-mail.net> Dear all, Apologizes for my previous posts ; I did not understood the (quite simple, though) way the mailing list works and my first messages had a poorly meaningful subject (which was "users" ; please don't mock me). I go back to my question with a slight modification and a solution proposal : Question : Is there a simple way to patch the AttRemover plugin so that a trace of the deleted attachment *would stay visible in a mail reader* ? Solution proposal : I've carefully read the answer of Colin Leroy, the developer of AttRemover itself, who helped me understand that the request I expressed at first is not as simple to deal with as I thought ; since then I looked deeper in the source att_remover.c and I think I've found the core of attachment removing at lines 429-448. As far as I understand, this function uses middle-level commands ; the code does not directly manipulate the mail file ; my guess is then that editing body of the mail after having removed attachment is not simple. My proposal/question now : would keeping a 0-byte attached file (with same name and metadata or a name like deleted-) be easier than adding info about the removed file within the mail body ? This way, any mail reader would see the trace of the deleted attached file. What do you think about that ? Thank you in advance for you answers and thank again for developing efforts. Best regards, Denis From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Apr 3 20:46:38 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:46:38 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2901] New: please don't disable some interface functions Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2901 Bug ID: 2901 Summary: please don't disable some interface functions Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.1 Hardware: PC URL: http://bugs.debian.org/704617 OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P3 Component: UI Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: mones at users.sourceforge.net Quoting original submitter: ,------- | Please don't disable interface elements when not really needed, for | example: | | * Configuration menu is disabled when the mail check is in progress. | * Preferences windows are modal and make it impossible to continue | writing or reading mails. | * Can't reproduce it now, but opening Compose window used to block | certain menu items. | | As I understand, this is done to ensure that mail check process (and | other things) use consistent settings; however, it's probably better for | them to just acquire a copy of the settings when they start, so user can | safely change anything without affecting running processes. `------- -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Apr 3 20:56:20 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:56:20 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2902] New: in offline mode, IMAP should probably close the connection after retrieval Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2902 Bug ID: 2902 Summary: in offline mode, IMAP should probably close the connection after retrieval Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.1 Hardware: PC URL: http://bugs.debian.org/704532 OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Folders/IMAP Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: mones at users.sourceforge.net Quoting original submitter: ,------- | In offline operation mode, after the user forces mail check, after it | succeeds, IMAP should probably log out and disconnect to avoid socket | timeout if the connection disappears later. If this isn't done, as it's | currently implemented, when user reconnects to the network and tries to | poll the remote mailbox, IMAP connection just hangs until it times out. | When the connection may be available for the short periods of time, this | may be a critical factor preventing the user from accessing mails. `------- -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Apr 4 01:29:38 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 23:29:38 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 1449] Make email notification (chime/LED/etc.) account-specific... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1449 Holger Berndt changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED CC| |hb at claws-mail.org Resolution|--- |WONTFIX --- Comment #1 from Holger Berndt --- The notification plugin has the option to only report messages arriving in specific folders. I don't plan to make this additionally account specific. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Thu Apr 4 18:15:30 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:15:30 -0400 Subject: [Users] Q: Add 'To' & delete 'Size' (plus architecture) Message-ID: <515DA722.3050202@gmail.com> Hello All. I'm new and am trying out Claws. I'll present a scenario and ask my questions (search for, but not found). At the end I'll provide some optional architectural background. Scenario: I've created a 'Mail' mailbox. I've moved the messages from 'Inbox' to 'Mail'. I've also moved the messages from 'Sent' to 'Mail'. (So 'Mail' contains the mix of sent and received mail.) The column headers across the top of the mailbox contents window are: -check mark-, 'S', -paperclip icon-, 'Subject', 'From' (from the 'From' header), 'Date', and 'Size'. Question 1: How can I add a 'To' column? This will show the recipient for mail I've sent (from the 'To' header). Question 2: How can I delete the 'Size' column? Architecture: Claws is part of larger scheme. I present my scheme for your enjoyment - this is optional. Host: Windows XP, without networking. Virtual Machine Manager: VMware Player. Virtual Machine Guest: Linux Mint + Xfce desktop, with soft-bridge to networking hardware. Folder shared through VMware driver (not network share): Windows mount point for shared folder: C:\shared Linux mount point for shared folder: /mnt/hgfs/shared Windows version of Claws installed in the Windows host for composing & viewing mail off-line. Linux version of Claws installed in the Mint guest for composing, sending, receiving, & viewing mail on-line. Windows version of Firefox installed in the Windows host for viewing HTML off-line. Linux version of Firefox installed in the Mint guest for surfing the Internet. The combination of Windows (sans networking) + VMware Player + Linux Mint (with networking) forms a super-hardened system. Ciao - Mark. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Apr 4 18:33:36 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:33:36 +0100 Subject: [Users] Q: Add 'To' & delete 'Size' (plus architecture) In-Reply-To: <515DA722.3050202@gmail.com> References: <515DA722.3050202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130404173336.7a95ed09@thewildbeast> On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:15:30 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: > Question 1: How can I add a 'To' column? This will show the > recipient for mail I've sent (from the 'To' header). > > Question 2: How can I delete the 'Size' column? That's in the FAQ: http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Interface#There_are_too_many_columns_in_the_message_list.21.21 In addition to what it says in the FAQ, you can also use, from the main window, /View/Set displayed columns/in folder list... /View/Set displayed columns/in message list... with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From brad at fineby.me.uk Thu Apr 4 18:34:22 2013 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:34:22 +0100 Subject: [Users] Q: Add 'To' & delete 'Size' (plus architecture) In-Reply-To: <515DA722.3050202@gmail.com> References: <515DA722.3050202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130404173422.79bc49cb@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:15:30 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: Hello Mark, First, welcome to the list. >Question 1: How can I add a 'To' column? This will show the recipient >for mail I've sent (from the 'To' header). 'View' menu, 'Set Displayed columns' -> 'In message view....' then highlight the 'To' in hidden columns and press the 'Add' button. Pressing up or down arrow will move the column's display position. >Question 2: How can I delete the 'Size' column? Same as above, with the obvious changes of selecting 'Size' in displayed columns, then clicking the '-' (minus) to remove it. BTW, dragging and dropping will also work for the above operations. Enjoy Claws Mail. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" You're only 29 got a lot to learn Seventeen - Sex Pistols -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From johnxj at comcast.net Thu Apr 4 19:23:57 2013 From: johnxj at comcast.net (John Jason Jordan) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:23:57 -0700 Subject: [Users] IMAP4 strangeness Message-ID: <20130404102357.0538cdc1@Devil8> I have been using Claws Mail for years, currently version 3.9.0 on Fedora 16, x86_64. I have two POP3 accounts and two IMAP4 accounts, the latter being accounts at my university. First the stupid part. When I started at my university seven years ago I was given an e-mail account. Then my status changed and some idiot in OIT told me I needed to have a new account. This was not true, but a new account was set up for me. However, the old account was not disabled, and a lot of people knew me by that address, so I just continued to use the original account and ignored the new account. Everything was fine until two years ago when the university decided to move to Google mail instead of using their own servers. The changeover went smoothly and both accounts still worked. But in January this year I got a message from OIT that they had noticed that I had two accounts so my old account would be disabled. After numerous trips to the OIT help desk I finally transitioned to the new account and got all the saved mail / folders from the old account into the new one. They set up an alias so that mail to the old account would automatically forward to the new one. I can receive mail on the new account, including mail sent to the old account, so the alias is working. But if I try to send a message using the new account I get an error message: "An error happened during SMTP session. Use 'Send queued messages' from the main window to retry." Sometimes I get a popup asking for the password for the old account. That account has been disabled, and the password no longer works. Regardless, if I enter the password, or just click on OK or Cancel, the popup goes away and then I get the above error message. Yesterday I needed to reply to a message on a university listserve. I kept getting the above error message, and subsequently clicked on Send Later to put the message in the queue, followed by sending using the Send button on the main menu. Again I got the error message. The message never appeared in my inbox, as it should since I am subscribed to the listserve and regularly receive messages from it. But this morning I needed to access my messages from a different computer, so I used the web interface. There was my message to the listserve, *four times*, one for each time I tried to send it. So far no one has complained that I sent the same message to the list four times, but this is embarrassing! I can't figure out why sending from the new account sometimes asks for the password for the old account. I need some clues. From brad at fineby.me.uk Thu Apr 4 19:26:51 2013 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:26:51 +0100 Subject: [Users] Q: Add 'To' & delete 'Size' (plus architecture) In-Reply-To: <515DB0BC.6060509@gmail.com> References: <515DA722.3050202@gmail.com> <20130404173422.79bc49cb@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <515DB0BC.6060509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130404182651.4c2ffa0e@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:56:28 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: Hello Mark, >-snip- >> 'View' menu, 'Set Displayed columns' -> 'In message view....' >-snip- >I looked all over - don't know what I expected - just could not see it. It took me a minute or two to find it, too. I /knew/ I'd seen it 'somewhere', I just couldn't remember where. >I'm sure I would have stumbled across it eventually. Thanks for >pointing it out to me. NP. >Thanks, I think I will. I have only one more detail to work out, but >I'll continue to try to resolve it on my own. 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Message-ID: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> I've set up a mail account, , as follows: Received mail to #mh//inbox and Sent mail to #mh//inbox Apparently, '#mh' resolves to '/home/mark/' because I find '/home/mark//inbox/.claws_cache' '/home/mark//inbox/.claws_mark' '/home/mark//inbox/.mh_sequences' '/home/mark//inbox/1' '/home/mark//inbox/2' '/home/mark//inbox/3' I want to make '#mh' resolve to '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail/' so that the above are relocated to '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/.claws_cache' '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/.claws_mark' '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/.mh_sequences' '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/1' '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/2' '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/3' and '/home/mark//' doesn't exist. Is there a way to do this? Thanks & Ciao - Mark. From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com Thu Apr 4 21:03:48 2013 From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 00:33:48 +0530 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:23:28 -0400, Mark wrote: > I want to make '#mh' resolve to '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail/' > so that the above are relocated to > '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/.claws_cache' > '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/.claws_mark' > '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/.mh_sequences' > '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/1' > '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/2' > '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/3' > and > '/home/mark//' doesn't exist. You could set up a link. Explore "ln" command. OR You could edit folderlist.xml OR You could create a new mailbox at that location etcetra. All done while CM is not running of course. :) From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Thu Apr 4 22:12:04 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:12:04 -0400 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> Message-ID: <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> On 2013/4/4 3:03 PM, Abhay S. Kushwaha wrote: > On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:23:28 -0400, Mark wrote: > >> I want to make '#mh' resolve to '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail/' >> so that the above are relocated to >> '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/.claws_cache' >> '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/.claws_mark' >> '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/.mh_sequences' >> '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/1' >> '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/2' >> '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/3' >> and >> '/home/mark//' doesn't exist. After I do my big mbox importation, I'll have about 50 accounts. I want them all to be located at '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail/' and I'd rather not have to move them manually. > You could set up a link. Explore "ln" command. Thanks, Abhay, but I don't think a link workaround will do what I want. What would the link be and how would I make it take effect only for Claws? Perhaps I'm misinterpreting what you've suggested - I am, after all, a Linux novice. Can you be more specific, please? > OR > > You could edit folderlist.xml Editing '/home/mark/.claws-mail/folderlist.xml' and changing the XML from: ' to: ' worked, but I'd have to do that for all 50 accounts (though search-&-replace would easily take care of that). From a practical standpoint, this workaround would become a maintenance hassle as I'd have to remember to do it as I create new accounts in the future. > OR > > You could create a new mailbox at that location Hmmm... How would I do that? I couldn't find a way to persuade Claws to put mailboxes in a particular path. (I must be totally misinterpreting what you mean.) Can you help me a little more? Remember I'm a Linux novice, but more importantly, I'm a hardware engineer (and you know how linearly-stupid hardware engineers can be!). Thanks. From andrej at kacian.sk Thu Apr 4 23:42:04 2013 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 23:42:04 +0200 Subject: [Users] IMAP4 strangeness In-Reply-To: <20130404102357.0538cdc1@Devil8> References: <20130404102357.0538cdc1@Devil8> Message-ID: <20130404234204.54c6b5db@penny> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:23:57 -0700 John Jason Jordan wrote: > I can't figure out why sending from the new account sometimes asks for > the password for the old account. > > I need some clues. You could have a look at the Network log (Tools -> Network Log) to see what exactly happens during the SMTP session which reports the error. As for why sometimes Claws Mail tries to use your old account, I have no idea. It might be some folder-specific setting, like designated "Queue" folder referencing your old account, or something like that. You could also run Claws Mail in a terminal with --debug option, and look at the output during events you describe, there might be some hint. Good luck! Regards, -- Andrej Kacian From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Apr 5 01:15:06 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 23:15:06 -0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2859] Newmail plugin doesn't work if Mail folder not present when it is loaded. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2859 --- Comment #3 from users at lists.claws-mail.org --- Changes related to this bug have been committed. Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly. You can also get the patch from: http://git.claws-mail.org/ http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=e02c1b684adc6b9b2a6a3f855418165bf885af51 Author: Ricardo Mones Date: Thu Apr 4 01:31:57 2013 +0200 Ensure available fallback folder for NewMail log Fixes bug #2859 "Newmail plugin doesn't work if Mail folder not present when it is loaded." Also included: * Show current log file name in plugin description. * Remove log file name limit of 255 bytes. http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=a10e28992076c2f28de3ed842f31192aa29ffec9 Author: Ricardo Mones Date: Thu Apr 4 01:02:42 2013 +0200 Fix indentation http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=a700fea56f5835856150bbd19b6936d1fc019638 Author: Ricardo Mones Date: Thu Apr 4 00:51:04 2013 +0200 Use debug_print for debug info -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From trev at highwater.co.nz Fri Apr 5 03:23:03 2013 From: trev at highwater.co.nz (Trevor Carey-Smith) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 14:23:03 +1300 Subject: [Users] Quoting/escaping shell input within templates Message-ID: <20130405012302.GA15101@knoll.highwater.co.nz> Hi, I have been using one of the nifty pipe commands in a reply template like so: |p{echo '%t%c'|grep -o '[a-zA-Z]*@mydomain.com'} to extract out the particular address at my domain that the email was sent to. Unfortunately, this goes wrong if the To: field contains single quotes, a worse case scenario something like: To: "'Someone ; rm -rf ~/ ; '" , So, is there a better way to quote the %t field or some other way to do what I want? Cheers, Trevor. From linxt at comcast.net Fri Apr 5 03:42:43 2013 From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:42:43 -0700 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130404184243.53e4e73d@desktop-1.home> On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:12:04 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: > On 2013/4/4 3:03 PM, Abhay S. Kushwaha wrote: > > On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:23:28 -0400, Mark wrote: > > > >> I want to make '#mh' resolve to '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail/' > >> so that the above are relocated to > >> '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/.claws_cache' > >> '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/.claws_mark' > >> '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/.mh_sequences' > >> '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/1' > >> '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/2' > >> '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail//inbox/3' > >> and > >> '/home/mark//' doesn't exist. > > > After I do my big mbox importation, I'll have about 50 accounts. I > want them all to be located at '/mnt/hgfs/shared/mail/' and I'd > rather not have to move them manually. > > > You could set up a link. Explore "ln" command. > > Thanks, Abhay, but I don't think a link workaround will do what I > want. What would the link be and how would I make it take effect only > for Claws? Perhaps I'm misinterpreting what you've suggested - I am, > after all, a Linux novice. Can you be more specific, please? > A softlink should work fine if you are using Linux. Don't know what windows can do. In Linux, your home folder has a sub-folder called Mail. In my case I moved that to a different location (/common/Mail/) and created a softlink from that back to the home folder. ln -s /common/Mail/ /home/tom/Mail That way I am able to have all mail in one location which can be shared with several Linux distros. Tom <<<<< snip >>>>> -- "Anyone who stops learning is old, whether at twenty or eighty." Henry Ford -- Tom Taylor - retired penguin - KG7CFC AMD Phenom II x4 955 -- 4GB RAM -- 2x1.5TB sata2 openSUSE 12.2-x86_64 openSUSE 12.3-x86_64 KDE 4.7.2, FF 7.0 KDE 4.10.00, FF 19.0 claws-mail 3.9.1 registered linux user 263467 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRWnjBAAoJEHjxEe80vkwITlwIAPb2aBryi1pBNtlTTL87E1cB +71yW5BbhS26IBkqy5o+u/KUdJGEQZ3kFcNn+7IFcTlhUMfmbz17GiVP60g2e9gW D91lvWyTH7CA+1pKoHAMtjK+U6KC9uclnWRObYPHHJjDyLdJBoRDD6r8SYn4fdiD dFRoV9tYhTRJYu170py6DybQ98qHnOe4uOO9Occdv34wXNcylPU4MOaUrFaFIqEF QyUwaQCzkUreLewUb65O/2FkyHZCsYIC+P7rDhTkNOHywb14urwZ7AfQ964dxLj4 Cnnc6LgI4+MFJeB8oxwyCWDC0Jx+DjuF4rhg981aRnqCZYa5HryDAQLD2BkYCZs= =nzdf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From johnxj at comcast.net Thu Apr 4 20:04:43 2013 From: johnxj at comcast.net (John Jason Jordan) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:04:43 -0700 Subject: [Users] IMAP4 strangeness In-Reply-To: <20130404234204.54c6b5db@penny> References: <20130404102357.0538cdc1@Devil8> <20130404234204.54c6b5db@penny> Message-ID: <20130404110443.18d12f4d@Devil8> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 23:42:04 +0200 Andrej Kacian dijo: >On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:23:57 -0700 >John Jason Jordan wrote: > >> I can't figure out why sending from the new account sometimes asks >> for the password for the old account. >> >> I need some clues. > >You could have a look at the Network log (Tools -> Network Log) to see >what exactly happens during the SMTP session which reports the error. Network log showed nothing at all. However, I have a partial solution. I discovered that there was another place to enter the password under the Send tab. After putting the password in there I can now send. And the network log now shows success at sending. However, nothing I send from the account goes anywhere. I sent myself a test message from the new university account to the same new university account. It never showed up in the new account. Then I sent a test message to the same new university account using my Comcast account, and the message showed up in the new university account inbox within a minute. So now I'm even more perplexed. I can send messages, but they go nowhere. Nor do I get bounces. From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Fri Apr 5 07:39:27 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 01:39:27 -0400 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <20130404184243.53e4e73d@desktop-1.home> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130404184243.53e4e73d@desktop-1.home> Message-ID: <515E638F.4020106@gmail.com> On 2013/4/4 9:42 PM, Thomas Taylor wrote: > On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:12:04 -0400 -snip- > A softlink should work fine if you are using Linux. Don't know what > windows can do. In Linux, your home folder has a sub-folder called > Mail. In my case I moved that to a different location (/common/Mail/) > and created a softlink from that back to the home folder. > > ln -s /common/Mail/ /home/tom/Mail What you show above is what I actually expected to see when I launched the File Manager following installation and creation of my first account. If that had been the case, then sure, a link would have been fine as you recommend, but that was not the case. For some reason, Claws in my system created '', not here: '~/Mail/', but here: '~/'. I was totally surprised, but being a Linuxenophobe, I didn't know enough to complain until now. Clearly I couldn't continue like that without creating 45 or 50 files (or 45 or 50 links) in '~/' bearing no indication that they were actually mail folders. Regardless of the reason for the screwup, I can't create a link for '~/' and the current situation leaves me having to revise '~/.claws-mail/folderlist.xml' every time I create a new account. That is: unless someone knows where Claws maintains a global setting that is the path to the root of the MH. A short time later... ===== AHA! ===== There's a flaw in the Claws Mail Setup Wizard. (I'm documenting this now, not for this mailing list, but for the Claws bug list...) I just, 1, reinstalled Claws, 2, wiped out '~/.claws-mail' (to force re-initialization), and 3, ran Claws for the '1st' time. Then I. 4, recreated my '1st' account (again). The name of the account is really 'aerotek', not '' (of course). Then ===== and here's the important part ===== the last thing the wizard asks for is "Mailbox name". Now, it's not really asking for the mailbox name - that would be 'aerotek'. What it's really asking for the mail system base folder name - that would be 'Mail' (and, in fact, 'Mail' is pre-filled in). (The last time I installed Claws - the only time previous to this - I wiped out 'Mail' and put in 'aerotek'. This time I left it saying 'Mail' and finished the wizard.) Then I, 5, closed Claws, 6, deleted '~/Mail', and 7, created the link '~/Mail' ==> '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail'. Then I. 8, relaunched Claws. Unfortunately, when Claws opened, it wasn't right. The 'aerotek' account wasn't there. Why not? Ah! Because 'folderlist.xml' wasn't right! So in the new folderlist.xml, to what it already had, I added this: And here's the folder structure I wound up with: '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/aerotek/draft/' '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/aerotek/inbox/' '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/aerotek/queue/' '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/aerotek/sent/' '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/aerotek/trash/' '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/draft/' '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/inbox/' '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/queue/' '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/sent/' '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/trash/' I've never been 'here' before. Does the folder structure above look right? CONCLUSIONS: 1 - The wizard should allow a link to be created, such as: (o) Create a mail system base folder (relative to ~/) named: [ ~/Mail ] or (o) Create a link to an existing mail system base folder (relative to /) located here: [ /Mail ] [Browse] where (o) is a radio button, [ ~/Mail ] and [ /Mail ] are text boxes, and [Browse] is a button. 2 - The wizard should perform needed mbox conversions at this time. 3 - The wizard should then take what it finds in the chosen mail system base folder and create folderlist.xml from that, rather than the other way around. Thanks for your continued help. Unless someone sees something wrong, this is a wrap. Ciao - Mark. From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Fri Apr 5 09:25:17 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 03:25:17 -0400 Subject: [Users] 45 POP accounts - Claws breaks making 2nd account. In-Reply-To: <515E638F.4020106@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130404184243.53e4e73d@desktop-1.home> <515E638F.4020106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <515E7C5D.20908@gmail.com> From "The Claws Mail User Manual" | 4.3. Multiple accounts | | You can easily create multiple accounts in Claws Mail. | For POP accounts, you can choose to store all email | from your different accounts in the same folder(s), | using the Receive tab preference. IMAP and News accounts | each get their own mailbox in the folder tree. What does "For POP accounts, you can choose to store all email from your different accounts in the same folder(s)" mean? Sure I "can choose" that, but I choose not to: I choose to have completely separate POP accounts. Is there any problem with that? When I look at Thunderbird I see this (where [i] is an icon): [i] aerotek [i] Inbox [i] Draft [i] Trash [i] amazon [i] Inbox [i] Draft [i] Trash [i] anthem [i] Inbox [i] Draft [i] Trash and so on, for about 45 accounts. They are all POP accounts. When I try to duplicate this with Claws, it breaks when I'm trying to create the 2nd account. What am I doing wrong? Thanks for your help - Mark. From ricardo at mones.org Fri Apr 5 09:44:14 2013 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:44:14 +0200 Subject: [Users] IMAP4 strangeness In-Reply-To: <20130404110443.18d12f4d@Devil8> References: <20130404102357.0538cdc1@Devil8> <20130404234204.54c6b5db@penny> <20130404110443.18d12f4d@Devil8> Message-ID: <20130405074414.GB12962@trasgu> On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 11:04:43AM -0700, John Jason Jordan wrote: [...] > However, nothing I send from the account goes anywhere. I sent myself > a test message from the new university account to the same new > university account. It never showed up in the new account. Then I sent > a test message to the same new university account using my Comcast > account, and the message showed up in the new university account inbox > within a minute. > > So now I'm even more perplexed. I can send messages, but they go > nowhere. Nor do I get bounces. I think that's gmail default behaviour: messages sent through their smtp servers are "hidden" from inbox, IIRC they appear in Sent and All mail. regards, -- Ricardo Mones ~ Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Carl Sagan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Apr 5 10:26:43 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 08:26:43 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2611] 100% cpu on checking IMAP box In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2611 Ricardo Mones changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED CC| |mones at users.sourceforge.net Version|3.8.0 |3.7.8 Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME --- Comment #2 from Ricardo Mones --- No response, closing. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Apr 5 12:21:26 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 11:21:26 +0100 Subject: [Users] 45 POP accounts - Claws breaks making 2nd account. In-Reply-To: <515E7C5D.20908@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130404184243.53e4e73d@desktop-1.home> <515E638F.4020106@gmail.com> <515E7C5D.20908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130405112126.1544984a@thewildbeast> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 03:25:17 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: > When I try to duplicate this with Claws, it breaks when I'm trying > to create the 2nd account. What, specifically, does 'it breaks' mean? with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Apr 5 12:29:47 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 11:29:47 +0100 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:12:04 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: > > OR > > > > You could create a new mailbox at that location > > Hmmm... How would I do that? I couldn't find a way to persuade > Claws to put mailboxes in a particular path. (I must be totally > misinterpreting what you mean.) The 'Add mailbox' dialogue from /File/Add mailbox/MH... uses either a path relate to your home dir, or a full path. In your case, use the full path. As the dialogue says, "If an existing mailbox is specified, it will be scanned automatically." If you want to move your current mailbox to a new location, use the filesystem to copy it to the new location, then use 'Add mailbox' with the new location. That's the easiest way - no manually editing files needed. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From inigo_aldazabal at ehu.es Fri Apr 5 15:27:38 2013 From: inigo_aldazabal at ehu.es (Inigo Aldazabal Mensa) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 15:27:38 +0200 Subject: [Users] Outdated KDEservicemenus in the web tools section Message-ID: <20130405152738.6beb0c10@U002498.sn.ehu.es> Hi all, The version for the KDEservicemenus tool from the tools section in the Claws Mail site [1] seems to be 1.4, only supporting KDE3, while the one distributed with Claws Mail 3.9.0 sources is 1.6, supporting both KDE3 and KDE4. It took me a while figuring it out. It would be great to have the last version linked there. Bests, Iñigo [1] http://www.claws-mail.org/tools.php?section=downloads From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Fri Apr 5 18:53:39 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 12:53:39 -0400 Subject: [Users] 45 POP accounts - Claws breaks making 2nd account. In-Reply-To: <20130405112126.1544984a@thewildbeast> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130404184243.53e4e73d@desktop-1.home> <515E638F.4020106@gmail.com> <515E7C5D.20908@gmail.com> <20130405112126.1544984a@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <515F0193.2030202@gmail.com> On 2013/4/5 6:21 AM, Paul wrote: > On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 03:25:17 -0400 > Mark Filipak wrote: > >> When I try to duplicate this with Claws, it breaks when I'm trying >> to create the 2nd account. > > What, specifically, does 'it breaks' mean? Thanks Paul. Ummm... In the interest of being careful and not intending to burden good people who would help novices, let me ask: By design, does Claws put all mail fetched via POP into a common inbox while doling out separate inboxes only to IMAP mail? Or, to turn the question around, can Claws be configured so that POP mail from differing sources can be put in differing and individual inboxes? Thanks - Mark. From brad at fineby.me.uk Fri Apr 5 19:05:41 2013 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 18:05:41 +0100 Subject: [Users] 45 POP accounts - Claws breaks making 2nd account. In-Reply-To: <515F0193.2030202@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130404184243.53e4e73d@desktop-1.home> <515E638F.4020106@gmail.com> <515E7C5D.20908@gmail.com> <20130405112126.1544984a@thewildbeast> <515F0193.2030202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130405180541.6d1d490f@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 12:53:39 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: Hello Mark, >Or, to turn the question around, can Claws be configured so that POP >mail from differing sources can be put in differing and individual >inboxes? Yes. In account prefs, (Configuration menu, Edit Accounts...) look at "Receive". Also, look at "Advanced": This is where you can configure which folders are used for Draft, Sent, Queue & Trash/Wastebin. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I hit the ground, boy have I arrived! The History Of The World (Part 1) - The Damned -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: not available URL: From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Fri Apr 5 20:02:29 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 14:02:29 -0400 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> On 2013/4/5 6:29 AM, Paul wrote: > On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 16:12:04 -0400 > Mark Filipak wrote: > >>> OR >>> >>> You could create a new mailbox at that location >> >> Hmmm... How would I do that? I couldn't find a way to persuade >> Claws to put mailboxes in a particular path. (I must be totally >> misinterpreting what you mean.) > > The 'Add mailbox' dialogue from /File/Add mailbox/MH... Thanks, Paul. I got the soft link to work so that mailboxes would be created in the shared folder automatically. That's what I meant by "persuade Claws to put mailboxes in a particular place". The problem, it turned out, is that the Claws Mail Setup Wizard asks the wrong question. Specifically, when, at the end of the Claws 1st-run it asks for "Mailbox name", but it's not really asking for the mailbox name ("aerotek" is the name of my 1st mailbox). What it's really asking for the Mailboxes base folder name ("Mail" - in fact, "Mail" is pre-filled in the text box). Since I was being very literal in my interpretation of what "Mailbox name" meant, I wiped out "Mail" and typed in "aerotek". So, instead of creating this: '~/Mail' the Claws Mail Setup Wizard created this: '~/aerotek' Well, I quite logically assumed that if I created 45 more accounts, I'd have 45 more such folders cluttering up my home directory when, in reality, I wanted them in a shared folder like this: '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/aerotek' Then, the 2nd time I did the Claws 1st-run, I realized the mistake and, since I already had a '~/Mail' link set up that already pointed to '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail', the Claws Mail Setup Wizard used that link and I was fine from then on (at least, until my latest problem). Now, I've written plenty of programs as I'll bet you have too, and it's sometimes surprising to keep making the same mistake over and over and not seeing it. In this case, I'm sure the developer of the Claws Mail Setup Wizard ran it a thousand times and saw "Mailbox name" a thousand times and never realized that it was wrong, but "Mailbox name" is not right. My first mailbox was named "aerotek", but that doesn't mean that the wizard wanted me to put "aerotek" into "Mailbox name". No, not at all. It wanted me to leave "Mailbox name" set to "Mail". You see, instead of "Mailbox name", the wizard should be asking for "Mailboxes base folder name" or "Mailboxes home folder name" or "Mailboxes root folder name" or some such wording. I will be passing on these recommendations to the Claws developers: 1 - The wizard should begin with a 3-way switch: | (o) Store the mail system in my home folder (~/) and name it [_Mail_] | | (o) Create a link in my home folder (~/) and name it [_Mail_], then target the link to [Browse] | | (o) Use the existing link in my home folder (~/) that is named [_Mail_] where (o) is a 'choose one' radio button, [_Mail_] is a text box, and [Browse] is a button. 2 - The wizard should perform needed mbox conversions at this time rather than deferring it to later. 3 - The wizard should then take what it finds in the existing mail system (if any) and create folderlist.xml from that, rather than the other way around. From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Fri Apr 5 20:33:05 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 14:33:05 -0400 Subject: [Users] 45 POP accounts - Claws breaks making 2nd account. In-Reply-To: <20130405180541.6d1d490f@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130404184243.53e4e73d@desktop-1.home> <515E638F.4020106@gmail.com> <515E7C5D.20908@gmail.com> <20130405112126.1544984a@thewildbeast> <515F0193.2030202@gmail.com> <20130405180541.6d1d490f@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: <515F18E1.40904@gmail.com> On 2013/4/5 1:05 PM, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 12:53:39 -0400 > Mark Filipak wrote: > > Hello Mark, > >> Or, to turn the question around, can Claws be configured so that POP >> mail from differing sources can be put in differing and individual >> inboxes? > > Yes. > > In account prefs, (Configuration menu, Edit Accounts...) look at > "Receive". Also, look at "Advanced": This is where you can configure > which folders are used for Draft, Sent, Queue & Trash/Wastebin. Oh, my. I have a sinking feeling... Brad, I've been in the "Preferences for new account" dialog a hundred times. Well... a dozen times. Scenerio: I've already created my 1st POP account, named "aerotek". I'm now trying to create my 2nd POP account, named "experian". In the "Preferences for new account" dialog... Basic: Name of account "experian", Mail address "markfilipak.experian at gmail.com"...etc. Server for receiving "pop.googlemail.com", SMTP server (send) "smtp.googlemail.com"...etc. then, when I click [Apply], a bunch of bogus mailboxes are created (more on this later). Receive: I change Default inbox (which is prefilled as: "#mh/aerotek/inbox") to "#mh/experian/inbox" then, when I click [Apply], the Default inbox is magically changed back to "#mh/aerotek/inbox". It's as though Claws is saying "Uh-uh, Mark! You can have only one Inbox." Before bogus mailboxes, the mailbox structure is: [i] aerotek (MH) [i] Inbox [i] Sent [i] Drafts [i] Queue [i] Trash ...where [i] denotes an icon. After bogus mailboxes, the mailbox structure is: [i] aerotek (MH) [i] Inbox [i] Sent [i] Drafts [i] Queue [i] Trash [i] Mailbox (MH) [i] Inbox [i] Sent [i] Drafts [i] Queue [i] Trash [i] aerotek [i] Inbox [i] Sent [i] Drafts [i] Queue [i] Trash Note: "aerotek" appears twice. "experian" doesn't appear. What do you make of this? I've removed and reinstalled Claws several times. I've 'reinitialized' it several additional times (by deleting the '~/.claws-mail' folder). I'm at my wits end. Thanks & Ciao - Mark. From brad at fineby.me.uk Fri Apr 5 21:24:50 2013 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 20:24:50 +0100 Subject: [Users] 45 POP accounts - Claws breaks making 2nd account. In-Reply-To: <515F18E1.40904@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130404184243.53e4e73d@desktop-1.home> <515E638F.4020106@gmail.com> <515E7C5D.20908@gmail.com> <20130405112126.1544984a@thewildbeast> <515F0193.2030202@gmail.com> <20130405180541.6d1d490f@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <515F18E1.40904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130405202450.78971b54@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 14:33:05 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: Hello Mark, >Oh, my. I have a sinking feeling... Oh-oh.. >Brad, I've been in the "Preferences for new account" dialog a hundred >times. Well... a dozen times. I know the feeling well. I've read several of your posts, and think I have a reasonable understanding of what you're after. It might pay to create the directories you need outside CM. So you have '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/aerotek' '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/experian' and so on. Then, and this is the vital bit regarding the separation of accounts, start CM and select "Add mailbox->MH..." from the File directory. It's this vital step I left out previously, as I didn't fully comprehend how you wanted the accounts laid out. Enter the path to the first mailbox as '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/aerotek' (without quotes) and the directory will be scanned for existing subdirs. Do similar operations for 'experian' and any other accounts you wish to add. There' no need to create the inbox, sent, out queue and trash folders in each directory, as the Add mailbox operation will do that for you. When finished you should have; aerotek (MH) Inbox Sent Drafts Queue Trash experian (MH) Inbox Sent Drafts Queue Trash etcetera (MH) ..... in the Folder pane of CM. Having done all that, you can now "Create New Account" from the configuration menu, adding the SMTP & POP server details, etc. and select the correct inbox for each on the Receive page. Now go to the Advanced page to select the correct directories for Trash, etc. I hope all that makes sense. I did it myself, creating a couple of dummy accounts to be sure it worked. >[i] Mailbox (MH) > [i] Inbox > [i] Sent > [i] Drafts > [i] Queue > [i] Trash > [i] aerotek > [i] Inbox > [i] Sent > [i] Drafts > [i] Queue > [i] Trash >Note: "aerotek" appears twice. "experian" doesn't appear. >What do you make of this? I've removed and reinstalled Claws several I'm not sure what's happened there, TBH. >times. I've 'reinitialized' it several additional times (by deleting >the '~/.claws-mail' folder). I'm at my wits end. Moving things around within CM is possible, but can be tricky when, as you mention in another post, some of the requesters are asking questions in a slightly misleading or ambiguous way. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" If a thought came in your head it would die of loneliness I Don't Like You - Stiff Little Fingers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: not available URL: From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Fri Apr 5 22:02:21 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 16:02:21 -0400 Subject: [Users] 45 POP accounts - Claws breaks making 2nd account. In-Reply-To: <20130405202450.78971b54@abydos.stargate.org.uk> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130404184243.53e4e73d@desktop-1.home> <515E638F.4020106@gmail.com> <515E7C5D.20908@gmail.com> <20130405112126.1544984a@thewildbeast> <515F0193.2030202@gmail.com> <20130405180541.6d1d490f@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <515F18E1.40904@gmail.com> <20130405202450.78971b54@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Message-ID: <515F2DCD.5000007@gmail.com> On 2013/4/5 3:24 PM, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 14:33:05 -0400 -snip- > I've read several of your posts, and think I have a reasonable > understanding of what you're after. It might pay to create the > directories you need outside CM. So you have > > '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/aerotek' > '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/experian' Exactly! ...outside of CM, eh? > and so on. > > Then, and this is the vital bit regarding the separation of accounts, > start CM and select "Add mailbox->MH..." from the File directory. It's > this vital step I left out previously, as I didn't fully comprehend how > you wanted the accounts laid out. Enter the path to the first mailbox > as '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/aerotek' (without quotes) and the directory > will be scanned for existing subdirs. That's clear... thanks for taking the time to write it. -snip- Hmmm... The developers aught to address this. I'm trying to wean friends away from Windows and stuff like this doesn't make a convincing case that Linux is a viable alternative. Good documentation without jargon and without excessive verbiage is critical as is contextual (off-line) help and smooth, well designed and tested user interfaces (and interface standards, too). I correspond with some Linux developers and when I claim that they need to focus-test rather than using ordinary users as testers, they scoff at me. They claim that they don't have the resources but in reality they're wasting time writing stuff that could be better and written faster with some extra planning. I think ordinary users can be used as testers if you're honest with them and state that that's what you need them to be. At the same time, you should supply a more developed product that ordinary users can use. Some projects know that and have a beta-path and a stable-path. Thank you, Brad. I so appreciate the help. I may volunteer as a Claws documentarian when the dust settles. (!) Perhaps I'll write a perl script to make all the folders and contribute it to the Claws project. Ciao - Mark (a hardware engineer). From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Apr 5 22:21:39 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 21:21:39 +0100 Subject: [Users] 45 POP accounts - Claws breaks making 2nd account. In-Reply-To: <515F2DCD.5000007@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130404184243.53e4e73d@desktop-1.home> <515E638F.4020106@gmail.com> <515E7C5D.20908@gmail.com> <20130405112126.1544984a@thewildbeast> <515F0193.2030202@gmail.com> <20130405180541.6d1d490f@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <515F18E1.40904@gmail.com> <20130405202450.78971b54@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <515F2DCD.5000007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130405212139.50554096@thewildbeast> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 16:02:21 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: > > '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/aerotek' > > '/mnt/hgfs/shared/Mail/experian' > > Exactly! ...outside of CM, eh? It's not necessary to do this outside of Claws. You can use the full path in the 'Add mailbox' dialogue. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Apr 5 22:25:17 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 21:25:17 +0100 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 14:02:29 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: > Specifically, when, at the end of the Claws 1st-run it asks for > "Mailbox name", but it's not really asking for the mailbox name > ("aerotek" is the name of my 1st mailbox). What it's really asking > for the Mailboxes base folder name ("Mail" - in fact, "Mail" is > pre-filled in the text box). It _is_ asking the right question. You seem to be confusing an account name 'aerotek' with the mailbox name 'Mail'. The Mailbox _is_ the base folder name, i.e. Mailbox == base folder name. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From brad at fineby.me.uk Fri Apr 5 22:23:14 2013 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 21:23:14 +0100 Subject: [Users] 45 POP accounts - Claws breaks making 2nd account. In-Reply-To: <515F2DCD.5000007@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130404184243.53e4e73d@desktop-1.home> <515E638F.4020106@gmail.com> <515E7C5D.20908@gmail.com> <20130405112126.1544984a@thewildbeast> <515F0193.2030202@gmail.com> <20130405180541.6d1d490f@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <515F18E1.40904@gmail.com> <20130405202450.78971b54@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <515F2DCD.5000007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130405212314.6189f30c@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 16:02:21 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: Hello Mark, >Exactly! ...outside of CM, eh? I found it easier to start with. {snip} >That's clear... thanks for taking the time to write it. You're welcome. It only took a few minutes to check through. {snipped} >Thank you, Brad. I so appreciate the help. I may volunteer as a Claws Again, you're welcome. >documentarian when the dust settles. I'm sure the team would appreciate the help. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Bet you thought you had it all worked out Problem - Sex Pistols -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brad at fineby.me.uk Fri Apr 5 22:34:53 2013 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 21:34:53 +0100 Subject: [Users] 45 POP accounts - Claws breaks making 2nd account. In-Reply-To: <20130405212139.50554096@thewildbeast> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130404184243.53e4e73d@desktop-1.home> <515E638F.4020106@gmail.com> <515E7C5D.20908@gmail.com> <20130405112126.1544984a@thewildbeast> <515F0193.2030202@gmail.com> <20130405180541.6d1d490f@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <515F18E1.40904@gmail.com> <20130405202450.78971b54@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <515F2DCD.5000007@gmail.com> <20130405212139.50554096@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20130405213453.6f050231@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 21:21:39 +0100 Paul wrote: Hello Paul, >It's not necessary to do this outside of Claws. You can use the full >path in the 'Add mailbox' dialogue. True, but it's not immediately obvious whether new directories will be created if necessary. Perhaps if the Add mailbox requester had a "Browse" button (that opened a directory requester) as well as the "OK" and "Cancel" options. That way people would be able to navigate to the directory they want (adding new ones along the way if necessary) rather than having to enter the path by hand. I still occasionally muck up mailbox addition, because of either a) a faulty memory (mine, not RAM), b) poor typing skills or c) both. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" When I say ugly, I don't mean rough looking, I mean hideous Ugly - The Stranglers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kshcygsrch at snkmail.com Fri Apr 5 23:00:04 2013 From: kshcygsrch at snkmail.com (Hugh H.) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:00:04 -0400 Subject: [Users] Can't write file Message-ID: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> I just replaced Ubuntu with Linux Mint. After doing the install, I restored all my $HOME files from backup. Now claws-mail is giving me continual messages saying "Can't write file." The relevant lines from the log show: * Account 'Legend': Connecting to POP3 server: pop.secureserver.net... [16:55:58] POP3< +OK <8497.1365195357 at pop.secureserver.net> [16:55:58] POP3> USER {e-mail address} [16:55:58] POP3< +OK [16:55:58] POP3> PASS ******** [16:55:58] POP3< +OK [16:55:58] POP3> STAT [16:55:59] POP3< +OK 10764 278396971 [16:55:59] POP3> UIDL [16:55:59] POP3< +OK [16:56:00] POP3> LIST [16:56:00] POP3< +OK [16:56:00] POP3> RETR 10719 [16:56:00] POP3< +OK 16740 octets *** Can't write file. I noticed that I was running v3.8.0 under Ubuntu and am now running 3.8.1 under Linux Mint. I tried reinstalling. I tried looking for claws-mail directories or files with incorrect permissions, username or groupname, to no avail. Any suggestions? -- Hugh H. e-mail: tr23feyvpw at snkmail.com Somewhere in the USA http://www.cynic.org This aphorism would be seven words long if it were six words shorter. From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Fri Apr 5 23:38:50 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:38:50 -0400 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> On 2013/4/5 4:25 PM, Paul wrote: > On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 14:02:29 -0400 > Mark Filipak wrote: > >> Specifically, when, at the end of the Claws 1st-run it asks for >> "Mailbox name", but it's not really asking for the mailbox name >> ("aerotek" is the name of my 1st mailbox). What it's really asking >> for the Mailboxes base folder name ("Mail" - in fact, "Mail" is >> pre-filled in the text box). > > It _is_ asking the right question. No, it's not. > You seem to be confusing an account name 'aerotek' with the mailbox name 'Mail'. To the rest of the world, when someone sees a graphic that says "aerotek Inbox" and they 'see' messages accumulate in it, they say that it's the "aerotek mailbox", not the "aerotek account". It's a visual thing. An account is a programming abstraction, a data structure, not a thing. A mailbox is a thing. You have to go with what people expect, not with what you think is correct. In this case, the people are correct, but even if they weren't, you'd still have to go with their expectations. The 'Mail' folder that holds the mailboxes is like a post office or a mailbox business. It's a holder of mailboxes or an aggregation of mailboxes, it's not the actual mailboxes. If it was up to me to decide the issue, I'd change 'Mail' to 'Mailboxes', '~/Mailboxes/aerotek', '~/Mailboxes/experian', etc. > The Mailbox _is_ the base folder name, i.e. Mailbox == base folder name. No, in the wizard it's called 'Mail', not 'Mailbox'. > with regards > > Paul > > From rcook at pcug.org.au Sat Apr 6 00:46:19 2013 From: rcook at pcug.org.au (Owen) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 09:46:19 +1100 Subject: [Users] Can't write file In-Reply-To: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> References: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> Message-ID: > I just replaced Ubuntu with Linux Mint. After doing the install, I > restored all my $HOME files from backup. Now claws-mail is giving me > continual messages saying "Can't write file." The relevant lines from > the > log show: > > * Account 'Legend': Connecting to POP3 server: pop.secureserver.net... > [16:55:58] POP3< +OK <8497.1365195357 at pop.secureserver.net> > [16:55:58] POP3> USER {e-mail address} > [16:55:58] POP3< +OK > [16:55:58] POP3> PASS ******** > [16:55:58] POP3< +OK > [16:55:58] POP3> STAT > [16:55:59] POP3< +OK 10764 278396971 > [16:55:59] POP3> UIDL > [16:55:59] POP3< +OK > [16:56:00] POP3> LIST > [16:56:00] POP3< +OK > [16:56:00] POP3> RETR 10719 > [16:56:00] POP3< +OK 16740 octets > *** Can't write file. > > I noticed that I was running v3.8.0 under Ubuntu and am now running > 3.8.1 > under Linux Mint. I tried reinstalling. I tried looking for > claws-mail > directories or files with incorrect permissions, username or > groupname, to > no avail. > > Any suggestions? > Generally permissions are a culprit with this problem. Can you confirm that where you expect your mail to be written, is in fact writable? -- Owen From rcook at pcug.org.au Sat Apr 6 00:56:35 2013 From: rcook at pcug.org.au (Owen) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 09:56:35 +1100 Subject: [Users] Can't write file In-Reply-To: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> References: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> Message-ID: <20130406095635.6401c30c@linux-sgw7> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:00:04 -0400 "Hugh H." wrote: > I just replaced Ubuntu with Linux Mint. After doing the install, I > restored all my $HOME files from backup. Now claws-mail is giving me > continual messages saying "Can't write file." The relevant lines > from the log show: > > * Account 'Legend': Connecting to POP3 server: pop.secureserver.net... > [16:55:58] POP3< +OK <8497.1365195357 at pop.secureserver.net> > [16:55:58] POP3> USER {e-mail address} > [16:55:58] POP3< +OK > [16:55:58] POP3> PASS ******** > [16:55:58] POP3< +OK > [16:55:58] POP3> STAT > [16:55:59] POP3< +OK 10764 278396971 > [16:55:59] POP3> UIDL > [16:55:59] POP3< +OK > [16:56:00] POP3> LIST > [16:56:00] POP3< +OK > [16:56:00] POP3> RETR 10719 > [16:56:00] POP3< +OK 16740 octets > *** Can't write file. > > I noticed that I was running v3.8.0 under Ubuntu and am now running > 3.8.1 under Linux Mint. I tried reinstalling. I tried looking for > claws-mail directories or files with incorrect permissions, username > or groupname, to no avail. > > Any suggestions? > Also, though I don't think it applies because Mint is Ubuntu based, check that the UIDs are the same as well as ownerships. -- Owen From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Apr 6 02:32:57 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 00:32:57 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2903] New: key 'C' mention harcoded in string Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2903 Bug ID: 2903 Summary: key 'C' mention harcoded in string Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: GIT Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: minor Priority: P3 Component: UI/Message View Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: mones at users.sourceforge.net On signed messages the signature check row appears below the message with a lock icon and a label that reads "The signature has not been checked. Click the icon or hit 'C' to check it." If the user has set a different preset keyboard shortcuts, or simply remapped the menu entry accelerator, the 'C' is not available for signature checking. The easy fix would be to remove the mention of the 'C' key and simply refer to the menu option "Message/Check signature". Showing also the current value of the menu accelerator of that option (if any) would be an even better fix, of course. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From berndth at gmx.de Sat Apr 6 03:36:09 2013 From: berndth at gmx.de (Holger Berndt) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 03:36:09 +0200 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> On Fr, 05.04.2013 17:38, Mark Filipak wrote: >> It _is_ asking the right question. > >No, it's not. Yes, it is. In Claws Mail, a mailbox and an account are two distinct concepts. A mailbox is used to store messages. An account is used to pull in and/or send out messages. There's no problem in having multiple accounts that fetch messages and dump them into the very same mailbox. >> The Mailbox _is_ the base folder name, i.e. Mailbox == base folder name. > >No, in the wizard it's called 'Mail', not 'Mailbox'. There's no contradiction. Mailboxes have names, and the default name for the initial mailbox that the wizard creates is "Mail". Holger From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sat Apr 6 04:01:25 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 22:01:25 -0400 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> Message-ID: <515F81F5.2020409@gmail.com> On 2013/4/5 9:36 PM, Holger Berndt wrote: > On Fr, 05.04.2013 17:38, Mark Filipak wrote: > >>> It _is_ asking the right question. >> >> No, it's not. > > Yes, it is. No, it's not. Hehehehehe... Okay, seriously, we have a difference of opinion here. As one of the developers, your opinion is more important than mine. (By the way, thank you for your efforts.) But... I represent the outsiders who come to Linux and to Claws cold, with certain preconceptions: granted, but preconceptions that are based on substantial experience. In my case, it's 35 years of experience as a user, a developer, and an industry documentarian. It's experience that I can gift to you, to profit you and your team. We have a difference of opinion... You are right. I am also right. We have to find a common ground in which we are both right. Only gain can result. This disagreement displays that we are both somewhat wrong. We must, together, erase the wrong. > In Claws Mail, a mailbox and an account are two distinct concepts. Yes! But the nomenclature is getting into the way. The idea that the container of mailboxes is 'The Mailbox' is getting in the way of understanding. The 1st step is to give everything a name. A well chosen name, simply by its appropriateness, can avoid much confusion and reduce the amount of explanatory documentation needed. Rather than making firm statements, perhaps there's a nomenclature on which we can agree. > A mailbox is used to store messages. An account is used to pull in > and/or send out messages. There's no problem in having multiple > accounts that fetch messages and dump them into the very same mailbox. Account? These are Mail Accounts? How about Mail Sources? Mail comes from Mail Sources (POP & IMAP servers) and gets deposited in Mail Boxes. Aren't 'aerotek' and 'experian' (to use my examples) Mail Sources rather than Mail Accounts? Think about it, Holger. Get back to me here or by PM. Ciao - Mark. From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sat Apr 6 04:11:48 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 22:11:48 -0400 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> Message-ID: <515F8464.6020004@gmail.com> On 2013/4/5 9:36 PM, Holger Berndt wrote: > On Fr, 05.04.2013 17:38, Mark Filipak wrote: >>> The Mailbox _is_ the base folder name, i.e. Mailbox == base folder name. How about 'Mail Folder'? The Mail Folder contains Mail Boxes. '~/Mailfolder/' '~/Mailfolder/' '~/Mailfolder/' etc. No 'Accounts'. From sp113438 at telfort.nl Sat Apr 6 06:42:10 2013 From: sp113438 at telfort.nl (sp113438) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 06:42:10 +0200 Subject: [Users] Spam button greyed out Message-ID: <20130406064210.7bc29450@fx4100> Hello, On my amd64 Debian squeeze I have the spam button greyed out. So it does not work? Any advice ;-) Greetings From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sat Apr 6 06:47:49 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 00:47:49 -0400 Subject: [Users] The Windows port. Message-ID: <515FA8F5.5060900@gmail.com> The Windows port appears not to be capable of adding new accounts. Also, it appears that changing mailbox paths is not possible. Re, " - Account preferences" dialog, "Account" > "Basic". Error: Filling in all text boxes and clicking "Apply" button does not create a new MH named in the "Name of account" text box. Re, " - Account preferences" dialog, "Account" > "Receive" - "POP3" panel, "Default Inbox" control. Error: Entering standard Windows path ('c:\shared\Mail\aerotek') is silently rejected when "Apply" button is pressed. Error: Entering Unix-style path ('/shared/Mail/aerotek') is silently rejected when "Apply" button is pressed. Click: The "Browse" button opens a "Select folder" dialog. Re, "Select folder" dialog. Error: Dialog is launched without making it topmost. Problem: Folder browsing does not allow browsing parents. Problem: What appears to be a text box (just above buttons) will not accept keystrokes. Click: The "New" button opens a "New folder" dialog. Re, "New folder" dialog. Error: Dialog is launched without making it topmost. Error: Entering standard Windows path ('c:\shared\Mail\aerotek') provokes "Error" box that claims "'\' can't be included in folder name." Error: Entering Unix-style path ('/shared/Mail/aerotek') provokes "Error" box saying, "Can't create the folder '/shared/Mail/aerotek'." General observation regarding the Windows port: In my opinion, the Claws Team would profit by acquiring the help of a Windows programmer. The various existing dialogs have obviously been designed to be similar to those in the Linux applicaton, but they don't behave like Windows dialogs and they don't conform to Windows standards. Also, Windows standard dialogs that are fairly quick and easy to implement, such as the Open dialog, are not being used in circumstances where they could be used, so much time and effort is being spent (wasted?) on code that Windows users will find behaves in strange and/or mysterious and/or objectionable ways. If the Claws Team acquires Windows skills, then perhaps they will profit from such knowledge: knowledge developed by what is, by a very wide margin, the largest, richest, and most successful software company in history. Holding Microsoft in contempt may be fashionable in Linux circles, but doing so denies Linux programmers access to a great many elegant, well focus-tested, and user-popular solutio ns. For example, simple *nix file permissions: [u][g][o]+[r][w][x], pale in comparison to the much richer file- & folder-permission scheme employed in Microsoft Windows. I've been using Wireshark for many years. During that time its developers have obviously improved their Windows programming skills. The result is that the skills and perspectives gained have benefited both Windows and Linux users. My problem: In order to implement my overall architecture I must have a cross-platform email application that runs in both Linux and Microsoft Windows. Claws for Linux is a bit raw, but overall it is quite wonderful. However, the current state of the Windows port makes my adoption of Claws impossible. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Apr 6 06:49:26 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 05:49:26 +0100 Subject: [Users] Spam button greyed out In-Reply-To: <20130406064210.7bc29450@fx4100> References: <20130406064210.7bc29450@fx4100> Message-ID: <20130406054926.651a54b2@thewildbeast> On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 06:42:10 +0200 sp113438 wrote: > On my amd64 Debian squeeze I have the spam button greyed out. > So it does not work? > > Any advice ;-) You don't have a spam plugin loaded. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Apr 6 07:24:55 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 06:24:55 +0100 Subject: [Users] The Windows port. In-Reply-To: <515FA8F5.5060900@gmail.com> References: <515FA8F5.5060900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130406062455.2f0a08ec@thewildbeast> Hi Mark, On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 00:47:49 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: > The Windows port appears not to be capable of adding new accounts. > Also, it appears that changing mailbox paths is not possible. I'm not talking about the windows port per se as I don't use windows, but this applies all the same: > Re, " - Account preferences" dialog, "Account" > > "Basic". > > Error: Filling in all text boxes and clicking "Apply" button does > not create a new MH named in the "Name of account" text box. Yes, that is correct behaviour. Creating a new POP account does not create a new mailbox ("a new MH"), as it doesn't need to. Several pop accounts can share a single mailbox. If you want your new account to have its own mailbox then create the mailbox (using /file/add mailbox/mh...) and configure the account to use it. > Re, " - Account preferences" dialog, "Account" > > "Receive" - "POP3" panel, "Default Inbox" control. > > Error: Entering standard Windows path ('c:\shared\Mail\aerotek') is > silently rejected when "Apply" button is pressed. > > Error: Entering Unix-style path ('/shared/Mail/aerotek') is > silently rejected when "Apply" button is pressed. > > Click: The "Browse" button opens a "Select folder" dialog. The Browse button shows you your Claws mailbox/folder tree, because this field should be a folder in a mailbox. 'c:\shared\Mail\aerotek' will fail because that's a filesystem directory path. This distinction is demonstrated by the fact that clicking the Browse button does not browse the filesystem. > Problem: Folder browsing does not allow browsing parents. It allows you to browse your whole Claws folder tree. > Problem: What appears to be a text box (just above buttons) will > not accept keystrokes. That's because it's not what it appears to you to be. It shows, in textual form, what you have selected in the folder tree above. > Error: Entering standard Windows path ('c:\shared\Mail\aerotek') > provokes "Error" box that claims "'\' can't be included in folder > name." > > Error: Entering Unix-style path ('/shared/Mail/aerotek') provokes > "Error" box saying, "Can't create the folder > '/shared/Mail/aerotek'." The dialogue says 'enter the name of the new folder', but you're putting a filesystem path. I think you're fundamentally mis-understanding this dialogue and the concept of Claws mailboxes. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sat Apr 6 07:56:04 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 01:56:04 -0400 Subject: [Users] The Windows port. In-Reply-To: <20130406062455.2f0a08ec@thewildbeast> References: <515FA8F5.5060900@gmail.com> <20130406062455.2f0a08ec@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <515FB8F4.3020103@gmail.com> On 2013/4/6 1:24 AM, Paul wrote: > Hi Mark, > > On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 00:47:49 -0400 > Mark Filipak wrote: > >> The Windows port appears not to be capable of adding new accounts. >> Also, it appears that changing mailbox paths is not possible. > > I'm not talking about the windows port per se as I don't use windows, > but this applies all the same: > >> Re, " - Account preferences" dialog, "Account" > >> "Basic". >> >> Error: Filling in all text boxes and clicking "Apply" button does >> not create a new MH named in the "Name of account" text box. > > Yes, that is correct behaviour. Creating a new POP account does not > create a new mailbox ("a new MH"), as it doesn't need to. Several pop > accounts can share a single mailbox. If you want your new account to > have its own mailbox then create the mailbox (using /file/add > mailbox/mh...) and configure the account to use it. Yes! It does work. Too bad the users manual doesn't have this. >> Re, " - Account preferences" dialog, "Account" > >> "Receive" - "POP3" panel, "Default Inbox" control. >> >> Error: Entering standard Windows path ('c:\shared\Mail\aerotek') is >> silently rejected when "Apply" button is pressed. >> >> Error: Entering Unix-style path ('/shared/Mail/aerotek') is >> silently rejected when "Apply" button is pressed. >> >> Click: The "Browse" button opens a "Select folder" dialog. > > The Browse button shows you your Claws mailbox/folder tree, because > this field should be a folder in a mailbox. 'c:\shared\Mail\aerotek' > will fail because that's a filesystem directory path. This > distinction is demonstrated by the fact that clicking the Browse > button does not browse the filesystem. Well, given the "Add mailbox..." behavior (above) that I didn't know about, this does make some sense, though I still think there's no such thing as an 'account'. There's just mail sources and mail boxes and Claws maps one to the other. >> Problem: Folder browsing does not allow browsing parents. > > It allows you to browse your whole Claws folder tree. Yes, I understand the distinction. IMHO, it's a strange way to view things, but okay. >> Problem: What appears to be a text box (just above buttons) will >> not accept keystrokes. > > That's because it's not what it appears to you to be. It shows, in > textual form, what you have selected in the folder tree above. Then why does clicking into it show a cursor? That's strange behavior. >> Error: Entering standard Windows path ('c:\shared\Mail\aerotek') >> provokes "Error" box that claims "'\' can't be included in folder >> name." >> >> Error: Entering Unix-style path ('/shared/Mail/aerotek') provokes >> "Error" box saying, "Can't create the folder >> '/shared/Mail/aerotek'." > > The dialogue says 'enter the name of the new folder', but you're > putting a filesystem path. I was told in this mailing list that I could put an absolute path there. I guess that was bogus. I understand now that this is not a filesystem function, but has been abstracted by Claws. I highly recommend that be changed to actual filesystem paths. The utility, for example, is shown in Windows: if I want to add to or rearrange the 'Start' menu (Windows' equivalent of the 'Menu' button), I do that right in the filesystem - it's extremely quick & easy. Doing the equivalent in Linux is overly complex and obscure without any redeeming qualities. > I think you're fundamentally mis-understanding this dialogue and the > concept of Claws mailboxes. You're right! Have YOU learned anything as a result - please don't take that as an insult. KISS: Keep it... well, you know the rest. The Claws model is overly abstract I think. I believe you guys have taken a metaphor and stretched it out of shape. Okay, I'll buy into Claws, and I'll help with documentation and $$. That is, if you want me. But rest assured that I'll evangelize for KISS, and more KISS, and more KISS... (I'm just a KISSin' fool.) Best Regards, Mark. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Apr 6 08:35:32 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 07:35:32 +0100 Subject: [Users] The Windows port. In-Reply-To: <515FB8F4.3020103@gmail.com> References: <515FA8F5.5060900@gmail.com> <20130406062455.2f0a08ec@thewildbeast> <515FB8F4.3020103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130406073532.14dc6e3b@thewildbeast> On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 01:56:04 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: > On 2013/4/6 1:24 AM, Paul wrote: > > Yes, that is correct behaviour. Creating a new POP account does > > not create a new mailbox ("a new MH"), as it doesn't need to. > > Several pop accounts can share a single mailbox. If you want your > > new account to have its own mailbox then create the mailbox > > (using /file/add mailbox/mh...) and configure the account to use > > it. > > Yes! It does work. Too bad the users manual doesn't have this. It is hoped that the manual allows the user to get up and running quickly by talking about the basics without the reader getting bogged down with too much information. It would probably be 10 times the size if it attempted to cover everything, and a lot less readable, I suspect. There's an FAQ, http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/, which is a wiki and intended to hold more specific detail about various aspects. Everyone is welcome to extend what is written there. > Well, given the "Add mailbox..." behavior (above) that I didn't > know about, this does make some sense, though I still think there's > no such thing as an 'account'. There's just mail sources and mail > boxes and Claws maps one to the other. Yes, a mailbox holds just mail folders and mail files, but an acccount is a lot more than just mail sources. > > > > The dialogue says 'enter the name of the new folder', but you're > > putting a filesystem path. > > I was told in this mailing list that I could put an absolute path > there. I guess that was bogus. Full paths, it was said, can be used in the 'Add mailbox' dialogue, /File/Add mailbox/MH... > I'll help with documentation Patches welcome, of course. Although perhaps the FAQ will be more suitable. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sat Apr 6 12:22:45 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 06:22:45 -0400 Subject: [Users] The Windows port. In-Reply-To: <20130406073532.14dc6e3b@thewildbeast> References: <515FA8F5.5060900@gmail.com> <20130406062455.2f0a08ec@thewildbeast> <515FB8F4.3020103@gmail.com> <20130406073532.14dc6e3b@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <515FF775.2090903@gmail.com> On 2013/4/6 2:35 AM, Paul wrote: > On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 01:56:04 -0400 > Mark Filipak wrote: > >> On 2013/4/6 1:24 AM, Paul wrote: >>> Yes, that is correct behaviour. Creating a new POP account does >>> not create a new mailbox ("a new MH"), as it doesn't need to. >>> Several pop accounts can share a single mailbox. If you want your >>> new account to have its own mailbox then create the mailbox >>> (using /file/add mailbox/mh...) and configure the account to use >>> it. >> >> Yes! It does work. Too bad the users manual doesn't have this. > > It is hoped that the manual allows the user to get up and running > quickly by talking about the basics without the reader getting bogged > down with too much information. You see, that's what's wrong with so much of what I see in Linux. The documentation just talks around things without really saying anything. What people want is step-by-step: do this, then do this, then do this, etc. People learn that way. You can try to pound concepts and architecture into their heads all day and it doesn't do any good. > It would probably be 10 times the > size if it attempted to cover everything, and a lot less readable, I > suspect. Wrong. It would be 1/10th the size. > There's an FAQ, http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/, which is a wiki and > intended to hold more specific detail about various aspects. Everyone > is welcome to extend what is written there. There's another thing that's wrong. No one wants to discount anyone else's writings, so instead of streamlining documentation, it gets longer, and longer, and longer. Terse help is what is needed, not long wikis. >> Well, given the "Add mailbox..." behavior (above) that I didn't >> know about, this does make some sense, though I still think there's >> no such thing as an 'account'. There's just mail sources and mail >> boxes and Claws maps one to the other. > > Yes, a mailbox holds just mail folders and mail files, but an > acccount is a lot more than just mail sources. A mail connection is a many-to-one database for incoming messages and a one-to-one database for outgoing messages. For incoming messages, the (many) inputs are mail sources: POP & IMAP server addresses, usernames, and passwords (or credentials), and the (one) output is the location of the account's mail box folder. For outgoing messages, the (one) input is the message created by the user, and the (one) output is the SMTP server address, username, and password (or credential). In addition, a copy of the outgoing message is saved in the connection's sent mail box. That's the architecture. Simple. The way to populate the database is the connection creation methods. They would take about three or four sentences each. That's it. The mail application also includes a message editor used to create message text. What more is there? The 'Account' metaphor doesn't illuminate anything. >>> The dialogue says 'enter the name of the new folder', but you're >>> putting a filesystem path. >> >> I was told in this mailing list that I could put an absolute path >> there. I guess that was bogus. > > Full paths, it was said, can be used in the 'Add mailbox' > dialogue, /File/Add mailbox/MH... Well, if you recall, I thought I was in the add mailbox dialog. In most programs, configuration is handled in a 'setup' or 'configuration' menu, not the 'file' menu. More thought should be given to the menu. It's a source of confusion. >> I'll help with documentation > > Patches welcome, of course. Although perhaps the FAQ will be more > suitable. Sorry. It's real documentation or nothing with me. I'm not going to waste my time and contribute to the amount of conflicting or vague documentation that is already way too extensive. -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Apr 6 12:27:17 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 11:27:17 +0100 Subject: [Users] The Windows port. In-Reply-To: <515FF775.2090903@gmail.com> References: <515FA8F5.5060900@gmail.com> <20130406062455.2f0a08ec@thewildbeast> <515FB8F4.3020103@gmail.com> <20130406073532.14dc6e3b@thewildbeast> <515FF775.2090903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130406112717.40b142bc@thewildbeast> On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 06:22:45 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: > > It would probably be 10 times the > > size if it attempted to cover everything, and a lot less > > readable, I suspect. > > Wrong. It would be 1/10th the size. Ahh, that should be an interesting and useful patch then! with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From colin at colino.net Sat Apr 6 12:58:17 2013 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 12:58:17 +0200 Subject: [Users] Can't write file In-Reply-To: References: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> Message-ID: <20130406125817.05c69c61@mike> On 06 April 2013 at 09h46, Owen wrote: Hi, > Generally permissions are a culprit with this problem. > > Can you confirm that where you expect your mail to be written, is in > fact writable? Or filesystem full? -- Colin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That's "Claws Mail for dummies", which hasn't been written yet (probably because some publishing company would try to sue you), but you're free to start one. Anyway we've never considered Claws Mail users dummies. More seriously, can you point examples of that poundings in the Claws Manual? Or is just a general appreciation thrown for the sake of arguing? Because, even if written in prose and not as a collection of bullet lists, we've been trying to make it pretty understandable for people. regards, -- Ricardo Mones ~ The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. Unknown -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From berndth at gmx.de Sat Apr 6 13:28:57 2013 From: berndth at gmx.de (Holger Berndt) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 13:28:57 +0200 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <515F81F5.2020409@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> <515F81F5.2020409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130406132857.194366ee@wodan> On Fr, 05.04.2013 22:01, Mark Filipak wrote: >> In Claws Mail, a mailbox and an account are two distinct concepts. > >Yes! But the nomenclature is getting into the way. The idea that >the container of mailboxes is 'The Mailbox' is getting in the way >of understanding. That's your very own idea. A "mailbox" not a container of mailboxes. I think what's getting in your way of understanding is that you're trying to change everything even before having taken the effort to understand it. >The 1st step is to give everything a name. A well chosen name, >simply by its appropriateness, can avoid much confusion and reduce >the amount of explanatory documentation needed. Rather than making >firm statements, perhaps there's a nomenclature on which we can agree. The things have appropriate names. There is a "mailbox", which is basically a storage location. You can have one or multiple of those, and they can be stored on different physical locations. Inside a mailbox, you can have a nested "folder" structure. Then there are "account"s, which handle the take-over from your mailbox to the provider for sending and (possibly) receiving. That's actually pretty consistent to what the terms mean in other applications as well. It's just that some push the user to have a 1:1 association between accounts and mailboxes, and thus can use the terms interchangably. >> A mailbox is used to store messages. An account is used to pull in >> and/or send out messages. There's no problem in having multiple >> accounts that fetch messages and dump them into the very same mailbox. > >Account? These are Mail Accounts? How about Mail Sources? Mail comes >from Mail Sources (POP & IMAP servers) and gets deposited in Mail >Boxes. That's only half the truth (accounts do not only receive, but also send), or even wrong (an "SMTP-only" account only sends). A "source" is also more abstract than an "account". Holger From jerry at seibercom.net Sat Apr 6 14:23:05 2013 From: jerry at seibercom.net (Jerry) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 08:23:05 -0400 Subject: [Users] User manual (was: Re: The Windows port.) In-Reply-To: <20130406131223.77e5c2be@busgosu> References: <515FA8F5.5060900@gmail.com> <20130406062455.2f0a08ec@thewildbeast> <515FB8F4.3020103@gmail.com> <20130406073532.14dc6e3b@thewildbeast> <515FF775.2090903@gmail.com> <20130406131223.77e5c2be@busgosu> Message-ID: <20130406082305.1299d40a@scorpio> On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 13:12:23 +0200 Ricardo Mones articulated: > On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 06:22:45 -0400 > Mark Filipak wrote: > > > You see, that's what's wrong with so much of what I see in Linux. > > The documentation just talks around things without really saying > > anything. What people want is step-by-step: do this, then do this, > > then do this, etc. People learn that way. You can try to pound > > concepts and architecture into their heads all day and it doesn't > > do any good. > > That's "Claws Mail for dummies", which hasn't been written yet > (probably because some publishing company would try to sue you), but > you're free to start one. Anyway we've never considered Claws Mail > users dummies. For Dummies is an extensive series of instructional/reference books which are intended to present non-intimidating guides for readers new to the various topics covered. Despite the title, their publisher has taken great pains to emphasize that the For Dummies books are not literally for dummies. The subtitle for every book is, "A Reference for the Rest of Us!". As of March 2013, over 1,800 For Dummies titles have been published. The series has been a worldwide success with editions in numerous other languages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Dummies In all too many cases, "man" pages and other open-source documentation "assumes" that the user is fully versed in the operation or application at hand. This is not always true. As a teaching tool and even for my own use on occasions, I have found these manuals to be an excellent starting point. By the way, I contacted the company a few years ago regarding a project I was working on. I was told that they would be glad to peruse my manuscript and if they approved it, publish it. I would be given credit for the authorship and compensated for my work. That project is still a "work in progress" however. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kshcygsrch at snkmail.com Sat Apr 6 16:47:33 2013 From: kshcygsrch at snkmail.com (Hugh H.) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 10:47:33 -0400 Subject: [Users] Can't write file In-Reply-To: References: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> Message-ID: <20130406104733.7033d907@PBL20> At or about 09:46 on Sat, 06 Apr 2013 "Owen is alleged to have written: > >> I just replaced Ubuntu with Linux Mint. After doing the install, I >> restored all my $HOME files from backup. Now claws-mail is giving me >> continual messages saying "Can't write file." The relevant lines from >> the >> log show: >> >> * Account 'Legend': Connecting to POP3 server: pop.secureserver.net... >> [16:55:58] POP3< +OK <8497.1365195357 at pop.secureserver.net> >> [16:55:58] POP3> USER {e-mail address} >> [16:55:58] POP3< +OK >> [16:55:58] POP3> PASS ******** >> [16:55:58] POP3< +OK >> [16:55:58] POP3> STAT >> [16:55:59] POP3< +OK 10764 278396971 >> [16:55:59] POP3> UIDL >> [16:55:59] POP3< +OK >> [16:56:00] POP3> LIST >> [16:56:00] POP3< +OK >> [16:56:00] POP3> RETR 10719 >> [16:56:00] POP3< +OK 16740 octets >> *** Can't write file. >> >> I noticed that I was running v3.8.0 under Ubuntu and am now running >> 3.8.1 >> under Linux Mint. I tried reinstalling. I tried looking for >> claws-mail >> directories or files with incorrect permissions, username or >> groupname, to >> no avail. >> >> Any suggestions? >> > >Generally permissions are a culprit with this problem. > >Can you confirm that where you expect your mail to be written, is in >fact writable? > All files in the mail directory for this account are r/w: > hugh at PBL20:~ $ find Legend -exec ls -lAF {} \; | grep -v '^.rw' > total 32 > total 12 > total 320 > total 212 > total 1320 > total 27720 > total 7792 > total 224 > total 180664 > total 12596 > total 28504 > total 9852 > total 8 > total 18212 > total 12 > hugh at PBL20:~ $ -- Hugh H. e-mail: kshcygsrch at snkmail.com Somewhere in the USA http://www.cynic.org When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion. -- C. P. Snow From kshcygsrch at snkmail.com Sat Apr 6 16:47:46 2013 From: kshcygsrch at snkmail.com (Hugh H.) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 10:47:46 -0400 Subject: [Users] Can't write file In-Reply-To: <20130406095635.6401c30c@linux-sgw7> References: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> <20130406095635.6401c30c@linux-sgw7> Message-ID: <20130406104746.3f309fdb@PBL20> At or about 09:56 on Sat, 06 Apr 2013 "Owen is alleged to have written: >On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:00:04 -0400 >"Hugh H." wrote: > >> I just replaced Ubuntu with Linux Mint. After doing the install, I >> restored all my $HOME files from backup. Now claws-mail is giving me >> continual messages saying "Can't write file." The relevant lines >> from the log show: >> >> * Account 'Legend': Connecting to POP3 server: pop.secureserver.net... >> [16:55:58] POP3< +OK <8497.1365195357 at pop.secureserver.net> >> [16:55:58] POP3> USER {e-mail address} >> [16:55:58] POP3< +OK >> [16:55:58] POP3> PASS ******** >> [16:55:58] POP3< +OK >> [16:55:58] POP3> STAT >> [16:55:59] POP3< +OK 10764 278396971 >> [16:55:59] POP3> UIDL >> [16:55:59] POP3< +OK >> [16:56:00] POP3> LIST >> [16:56:00] POP3< +OK >> [16:56:00] POP3> RETR 10719 >> [16:56:00] POP3< +OK 16740 octets >> *** Can't write file. >> >> I noticed that I was running v3.8.0 under Ubuntu and am now running >> 3.8.1 under Linux Mint. I tried reinstalling. I tried looking for >> claws-mail directories or files with incorrect permissions, username >> or groupname, to no avail. >> >> Any suggestions? >> > > > >Also, though I don't think it applies because Mint is Ubuntu based, >check that the UIDs are the same as well as ownerships. > All is well: > hugh at PBL20:~$ find Legend -exec ls -lAF {} \; | grep -v 'hugh hugh' > total 32 > total 12 > total 320 > total 212 > total 1320 > total 27720 > total 7792 > total 224 > total 180664 > total 12596 > total 28504 > total 9852 > total 8 > total 18212 > total 12 > hugh at PBL20:~$ id > uid=1000(hugh) gid=1000(hugh) groups=1000(hugh),4(adm),24(cdrom),... > hugh at PBL20:~$ find Legend -exec ls -nAF {} \; | grep -v '1000 1000' > total 32 total 12 > total 320 > total 212 > total 1320 > total 27720 > total 7792 > total 224 > total 180664 > total 12596 > total 28504 > total 9852 > total 8 > total 18212 > total 12 > hugh at PBL20:~$ -- Hugh H. e-mail: kshcygsrch at snkmail.com Somewhere in the USA http://www.cynic.org It's the job of intellectuals and writers to cast doubt on perfection. -- Antonio Tabucchi From kshcygsrch at snkmail.com Sat Apr 6 16:47:57 2013 From: kshcygsrch at snkmail.com (Hugh H.) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 10:47:57 -0400 Subject: [Users] Can't write file In-Reply-To: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> References: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> Message-ID: <20130406104757.301177e0@PBL20> BTW, I've discovered that this problem is occurring with two of my seven e-mail accounts (note that the other five, a mix of IMAP and POP accounts, are working find). Here's the relevant log lines for the other account that gets this error: >* Account 'SDF (freeshell.org)': Connecting to POP3 server: >mail.freeshell.org... [10:39:36] POP3< +OK Teapop [0.3.8] - Teaspoon >stirs around again <1365259173.4C279A2D at Llywellyn> [10:39:36] POP3> USER >hugh [10:39:36] POP3< +OK Welcome, do you have any type of ID? >[10:39:36] POP3> PASS ******** >[10:39:41] POP3< +OK I'm ready to serve you, Master. >[10:39:41] POP3> STAT >[10:39:41] POP3< +OK 63 133705 >[10:39:41] POP3> UIDL >[10:39:41] POP3< +OK Here comes the id's. >[10:39:41] POP3> LIST >[10:39:42] POP3< +OK These are my measures. >[10:39:42] POP3> RETR 63 >[10:39:42] POP3< +OK 1277 >*** Can't write file. Note that I've run the tests suggested above in this thread on the directories and files for this account as well and no problem shows up. At or about 17:00 on Fri, 05 Apr 2013 "Hugh H. is alleged to have written: >I just replaced Ubuntu with Linux Mint. After doing the install, I >restored all my $HOME files from backup. Now claws-mail is giving me >continual messages saying "Can't write file." The relevant lines from the >log show: > >* Account 'Legend': Connecting to POP3 server: pop.secureserver.net... >[16:55:58] POP3< +OK <8497.1365195357 at pop.secureserver.net> >[16:55:58] POP3> USER {e-mail address} >[16:55:58] POP3< +OK >[16:55:58] POP3> PASS ******** >[16:55:58] POP3< +OK >[16:55:58] POP3> STAT >[16:55:59] POP3< +OK 10764 278396971 >[16:55:59] POP3> UIDL >[16:55:59] POP3< +OK >[16:56:00] POP3> LIST >[16:56:00] POP3< +OK >[16:56:00] POP3> RETR 10719 >[16:56:00] POP3< +OK 16740 octets >*** Can't write file. > >I noticed that I was running v3.8.0 under Ubuntu and am now running 3.8.1 >under Linux Mint. I tried reinstalling. I tried looking for claws-mail >directories or files with incorrect permissions, username or groupname, to >no avail. > >Any suggestions? > -- Hugh H. e-mail: kshcygsrch at snkmail.com Somewhere in the USA http://www.cynic.org Love is much nicer to be in than an automobile accident, a tight girdle, a higher tax bracket, or a holding pattern over Philadelphia. -- Judith Viorst From kshcygsrch at snkmail.com Sat Apr 6 16:48:37 2013 From: kshcygsrch at snkmail.com (Hugh H.) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 10:48:37 -0400 Subject: [Users] Can't write file In-Reply-To: <20130406125817.05c69c61@mike> References: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> <20130406125817.05c69c61@mike> Message-ID: <20130406104837.0eb36cfe@PBL20> At or about 12:58 on Sat, 06 Apr 2013 "Colin Leroy is alleged to have written: >On 06 April 2013 at 09h46, Owen wrote: > >Hi, > >> Generally permissions are a culprit with this problem. >> >> Can you confirm that where you expect your mail to be written, is in >> fact writable? > >Or filesystem full? > Plenty of space left: > hugh at PBL20:~$ df Legend > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/sda1 712873640 93358700 583303024 14% / > hugh at PBL20:~$ -- Hugh H. e-mail: kshcygsrch at snkmail.com Somewhere in the USA http://www.cynic.org An enemy is anyone who tells the truth about you. -- Elbert Hubbard From carlh at cehartung.com Sat Apr 6 17:21:45 2013 From: carlh at cehartung.com (Carl E. Hartung) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 11:21:45 -0400 Subject: [Users] Can't write file In-Reply-To: <20130406104837.0eb36cfe@PBL20> References: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> <20130406125817.05c69c61@mike> <20130406104837.0eb36cfe@PBL20> Message-ID: <20130406112145.0a777aeb@linux-z4hf.site> On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 10:48:37 -0400 Hugh H. wrote: > At or about 12:58 on Sat, 06 Apr 2013 "Colin Leroy > is alleged to have written: > > >On 06 April 2013 at 09h46, Owen wrote: > > > >Hi, > > > >> Generally permissions are a culprit with this problem. > >> > >> Can you confirm that where you expect your mail to be written, is > >> in fact writable? > > > >Or filesystem full? > > > > Plenty of space left: > > > hugh at PBL20:~$ df Legend > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > > /dev/sda1 712873640 93358700 583303024 14% / > > hugh at PBL20:~$ Hi Hugh, I apologize in advance if you've already tried this: - create a new Linux user - log in as that new user (creates a 'pristine' default workspace) - launch Claws Mail and exercise it enough to confirm it functions okay - if it works okay, inspect & compare what it has written, where, against the 'problem' workspace hth & regards, Carl From rol at witbe.net Sat Apr 6 18:34:45 2013 From: rol at witbe.net (Paul Rolland (=?UTF-8?B?44Od44O844Or44O744Ot44Op44Oz?=)) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 18:34:45 +0200 Subject: [Users] Can't write file In-Reply-To: <20130406104837.0eb36cfe@PBL20> References: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> <20130406125817.05c69c61@mike> <20130406104837.0eb36cfe@PBL20> Message-ID: <20130406183445.48be4865@tux.DEF.witbe.net> Hello, On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 10:48:37 -0400 "Hugh H." wrote: > >Or filesystem full? > > > > Plenty of space left: > > > hugh at PBL20:~$ df Legend > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > > /dev/sda1 712873640 93358700 583303024 14% / > > hugh at PBL20:~$ > And inodes ? df -i should tell you... Paul -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From colin at colino.net Sat Apr 6 18:43:10 2013 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 18:43:10 +0200 Subject: [Users] The Windows port. In-Reply-To: <515FA8F5.5060900@gmail.com> References: <515FA8F5.5060900@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130406184310.74c0fe05@mike> On 06 April 2013 at 00h47, Mark Filipak wrote: Hi, The start of your mail has already been replied to so I'll focus on the second part. > In my opinion, the Claws Team would profit by acquiring the help of a > Windows programmer. I couldn't agree more; unfortunately we didn't find one yet. > The various existing dialogs have obviously been designed to be > similar to those in the Linux application, but they don't behave like > Windows dialogs and they don't conform to Windows standards. Also, > Windows standard dialogs that are fairly quick and easy to implement, > such as the Open dialog, are not being used in circumstances where > they could be used, so much time and effort is being spent (wasted?) > on code that Windows users will find behaves in strange and/or > mysterious and/or objectionable ways. This kind of code comes from the underlying GTK+ library, so that's not our time and effort that have been spent :) > If the Claws Team acquires Windows skills, then perhaps they will > profit from such knowledge: knowledge developed by what is, by a very > wide margin, the largest, richest, and most successful software > company in history. I'm not sure what's the point there. I know of other very rich and successful companies that are actively trying to doom our grand children's future while making a quick buck in the short term. I don't think rich and large has anything to do with knowledge - or at least wisdom. But we're going off-topic there. > Holding Microsoft in contempt may be fashionable in Linux circles, > but doing so denies Linux programmers access to a great many elegant, I think I can speak for the whole team when I say that we're all past age of hating Microsoft because it's fashionable. Our "Micro$oft $ucks" days are well past us. Personally, I just happen to dislike Windows because I can't seem to get any work done on that platform, mostly due to not knowing the right tools for the right jobs; and also because my free software ideals are very difficult to port on Windows. Proprietary, pricey software is the norm on Windows and the exception on our Linux/BSDs. In reality, I'm keeping the Windows port of Claws Mail as up-to-date and stable as I am, not because I love one-hour long builds failing in mysterious ways after generating gigabytes of object code, but because a few users on this mailing-list love Claws Mail for what it is and have to use Windows sometimes. These guys and their positivism help C-M on Win32 a lot because I wouldn't do it otherwise. So, in any way, if you want to help make Claws Mail better for Windows, you're very welcome - be it by patches, documentation, bug-reporting or donations; but don't expect Claws Mail to become a different software that the one it is today (I'm thinking of the whole mailbox/ account/ folder/ source discussion in the other thread). Thanks, -- Colin Please forgive any typo, I'm typing one-handed for a few days -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pf at pfortin.com Sat Apr 6 19:57:57 2013 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 13:57:57 -0400 Subject: [Users] Can't write file In-Reply-To: <20130406104757.301177e0@PBL20> References: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> <20130406104757.301177e0@PBL20> Message-ID: <20130406135757.79dec126@pfortin.com> On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 10:47:57 -0400 Hugh H. wrote: >>I noticed that I was running v3.8.0 under Ubuntu and am now running >>3.8.1 under Linux Mint. I tried reinstalling. I tried looking for >>claws-mail directories or files with incorrect permissions, username or >>groupname, to no avail. >> >>Any suggestions? Owen had a good suggestion... did you check the UID/GIDs? i.e., any chance you created the failing users on the new system in a different order than the old one, thus resulting in different UID/GID? Been there, done that... :) From codejodler at gmx.ch Sat Apr 6 20:33:50 2013 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 20:33:50 +0200 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <20130406132857.194366ee@wodan> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> <515F81F5.2020409@gmail.com> <20130406132857.194366ee@wodan> Message-ID: <20130406203350.2e9cfb66@mirrors.kernel.org> I think most people would agree on what a 'mailbox' is in the real world. But what would be an account ? I think the account equals the postal service. In most countries, there are more than one service company, including state government service. In a way, you 'subscribed' to them even if you're not aware of it, by living in the country in a specific address. If anything was legal, you'd need official permission (like, citizenship) for being in your place, and that would be the authority source of your 'subscription' then. Like, the city hall is where you 'subscribed'. Anyway. The different postal services often drop all mail into one mailbox; otherwise, you also can have several boxes for different purposes. However a single mailbox would not just be equal to one 'postal service' account. That said. I have to admit that equaling one account with one mailbox would be more intuitive to me too. So i think Mark is not completely wrong. my 5 ct... ---------------- Holger wrote: > There is a "mailbox", which is basically a storage location. You can > have one or multiple of those, and they can be stored on different > physical locations. > > Inside a mailbox, you can have a nested "folder" structure. > > Then there are "account"s, which handle the take-over from your mailbox > to the provider for sending and (possibly) receiving. From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 05:44:05 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:44:05 -0400 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. Message-ID: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> Claws developers: 1 - I have a MH selected (highlighted). I want to create a filter, but 'Create filter rule' and 'Create processing rule' in the 'Tools' menu are both greyed out. The only way I can get around that is to select the MH's Inbox. Why? 2 - What's the difference between 'Create filter rule' and 'Create processing rule'? Thanks - Mark. -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 05:48:46 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:48:46 -0400 Subject: [Users] Mail fetch question. Message-ID: <5160EC9E.7060909@gmail.com> Claws developers: Are filters applied on-the-fly as mail is fetched or is the mail temporarily stored in the Inbox first, and then filtered? I would guess the former, but I don't want to assume. Thanks - Mark. -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Apr 7 10:28:20 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 08:28:20 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2904] New: razor-notificationd support Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2904 Bug ID: 2904 Summary: razor-notificationd support Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.9.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Plugins/Notification Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: khazarian at fastmail.in It seems that Notification plugin does not support Razor Notification Daemon. gajim, notify-send and xfce4-notifyd-config can invoke razor-notificationd. Notification bubble does work for me with Claws-Mail while using xfce4-notifyd. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From clifflaine at europe.com Sun Apr 7 11:08:02 2013 From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 10:08:02 +0100 Subject: [Users] Keyboard shortcuts to inboxes Message-ID: <20130407100802.3dab5a94@cliff-MXC061> Scenario: The focus is in the account and mailbox list on (my) LH side. I want to go to the inbox of the account listed third down that list, using only the keyboard. If I press G then I, it takes me to the inbox of the first listed account. If I press I again, it looks for a mailbox name beginning "ii". Is there a way of altering anything so that repeated pressing of I would take me to the next account's inbox? Thanks Cliff From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Apr 7 12:01:19 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 10:01:19 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2451] Notification does not work on imap.gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2451 julesmoules at gmail.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |julesmoules at gmail.com --- Comment #17 from julesmoules at gmail.com --- I don't wish to use the notification plugin - it doesn't work properly for me, anyway. And I have the same problem with the lack of notifications of New messages from gmail (from this thread: they're flagged Unread). I accept in Google's problem. Couldn't a much simpler solution to this problem be to provide another variable (say, %u) for unread messages in the same way that you already provide a variable for new messages (%d) in the user Command to Execute after checking mail in Preferences - Mail Handling - Receiving. This way, you wouldn't have to barf at explicitly configuring anything for gmail and would also be providing a genuinely useful additional variable for the user Command to Execute that might be of use to more users. This is what I prefer to use for notification anyway - just pop up a Zenity window from a script that my particular command invokes after checking for mail. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Apr 7 12:53:13 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 11:53:13 +0100 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:44:05 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: > Claws developers: This could be answered by users as well as developers. > 1 - I have a MH selected (highlighted). I want to create a filter, > but 'Create filter rule' and 'Create processing rule' in the > 'Tools' menu are both greyed out. The only way I can get around > that is to select the MH's Inbox. Why? See the manual: http://www.claws-mail.org/manual/claws-mail-manual.html#handling_filters "You will find the filtering preferences via the "Configuration" menu, "Filtering" item." and "There is also a quick method of creating filtering rules based on the selected message. After selecting a mail of the type you want to filter, choose "Create filter rule..." from the "Tools" menu" > 2 - What's the difference between 'Create filter rule' and 'Create > processing rule'? See the manual: http://www.claws-mail.org/manual/claws-mail-manual.html#adv_processing "Processing rules are the same as Filtering rules, except that they are applied when entering a folder or when manually applied from a folder's context menu and apply only to this folder." with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Apr 7 12:58:47 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 11:58:47 +0100 Subject: [Users] Mail fetch question. In-Reply-To: <5160EC9E.7060909@gmail.com> References: <5160EC9E.7060909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130407115847.431a9fd1@thewildbeast> On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:48:46 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: > Are filters applied on-the-fly as mail is fetched or is the mail > temporarily stored in the Inbox first, and then filtered? > > I would guess the former, but I don't want to assume. Neither. In between they are stored in a temp folder. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Apr 7 13:01:41 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 12:01:41 +0100 Subject: [Users] Keyboard shortcuts to inboxes In-Reply-To: <20130407100802.3dab5a94@cliff-MXC061> References: <20130407100802.3dab5a94@cliff-MXC061> Message-ID: <20130407120141.0425ccff@thewildbeast> On Sun, 7 Apr 2013 10:08:02 +0100 Cliff Laine wrote: > The focus is in the account and mailbox list on (my) LH side. I > want to go to the inbox of the account listed third down that list, > using only the keyboard. > > If I press G then I, it takes me to the inbox of the first listed > account. If I press I again, it looks for a mailbox name beginning > "ii". > > Is there a way of altering anything so that repeated pressing of I > would take me to the next account's inbox? No, but you can use the 'down' cursor key to go to the next match. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From berndth at gmx.de Sun Apr 7 14:00:05 2013 From: berndth at gmx.de (Holger Berndt) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:00:05 +0200 Subject: [Users] Quoting/escaping shell input within templates In-Reply-To: <20130405012302.GA15101@knoll.highwater.co.nz> References: <20130405012302.GA15101@knoll.highwater.co.nz> Message-ID: <20130407140005.2f3dbaaa@wodan> On Fr, 05.04.2013 14:23, Trevor Carey-Smith wrote: >So, is there a better way to quote the %t field or some other way to do >what I want? It depends on what exactly you want, but it's likely that you can achieve it with the Python plugin. For example, the following snipped as "compose_any" script will insert your string at the cursor position: ===== 8< ============================================================ import re if clawsmail.compose_window.replyinfo: headers = [] if clawsmail.compose_window.replyinfo.To: headers.append(clawsmail.compose_window.replyinfo.To) try: if clawsmail.compose_window.replyinfo.Cc: headers.append(clawsmail.compose_window.replyinfo.Cc) except AttributeError: pass match = re.search('[a-zA-Z]*@mydomain.com', " ".join(headers)) if match: buffer = clawsmail.compose_window.text.get_buffer() buffer.insert_at_cursor(match.group()) clawsmail.compose_window.set_modified(False) ===== 8< ============================================================ That doesn't have shell injection problems. On the other hand, you will need the latest git version to access the Cc header - used with the latest released version of the plugin, only the To header will be regarded. You could extend the script to insert the string somewhere else than at the cursor position, or replace some variable from the template body, or even use the script instead of the reply template. I'm aware that this is quite an overkill compared to the template pipe way of doing things. However, as nobody else had a better answer so far, I thought I'd mention it. Holger From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Apr 7 14:04:23 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 12:04:23 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2899] Claws Mail crashes after fetching messages from the "All mail" folder in GMail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2899 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME --- Comment #1 from Paul --- Does this happen every time? Re-open if it does. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Apr 7 14:09:36 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 12:09:36 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2896] random crash after navigating multiple accounts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2896 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME --- Comment #1 from Paul --- closing this since I cannot reproduce this, and the bug report does not contain useful data. Re-open this if you can reproduce it, and can produce a backtrace made without stripped binaries, (more info: http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Debugging_Claws) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Apr 7 14:10:39 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 12:10:39 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2893] ical_yy_scan_bytes has wrong type In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2893 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Apr 7 16:36:37 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:36:37 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2899] Claws Mail crashes after fetching messages from the "All mail" folder in GMail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2899 m.keyran at gmail.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|WORKSFORME |--- -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Apr 7 16:41:33 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:41:33 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2899] Claws Mail crashes after fetching messages from the "All mail" folder in GMail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2899 --- Comment #2 from m.keyran at gmail.com --- Yes, it does. Claws mail works perfectly well on my 32-bit netbook, but it always crashes on my 64-bit workstation. Tried to launch it from another user, the same effect. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 17:54:28 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 11:54:28 -0400 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 6:53 AM, Paul wrote: > On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:44:05 -0400 > Mark Filipak wrote: > >> Claws developers: > > This could be answered by users as well as developers. Thank you, Paul, but no: it can't be answered by users because they don't write code. You have misunderstood what I'm asking. I'm not asking _how_ to do something. I'm asking _why_ it is the way it is. I'm asking for software architecture: How is Claws constructed and how does it process? I assume I could examine the source code, but I want to ask just simple questions and I'd like to bring you folks along in the answers. Bear with me please. You will see and you will agree. >> 1 - I have a MH selected (highlighted). I want to create a filter, >> but 'Create filter rule' and 'Create processing rule' in the >> 'Tools' menu are both greyed out. The only way I can get around >> that is to select the MH's Inbox. Why? > > See the manual: > http://www.claws-mail.org/manual/claws-mail-manual.html#handling_filters I've read the entire manual of course. It's quite short, and when I'm done it will be significantly shorter. Terse yet concise is what I'm after: not a word too short and not a word too long. > "You will find the filtering preferences via the "Configuration" > menu, "Filtering" item." > > and > > "There is also a quick method of creating filtering rules based on > the selected message. After selecting a mail of the type you want to > filter, choose "Create filter rule..." from the "Tools" menu" Not "how", but "why". Why do I have to select (highlight) the MH's Inbox before I can create a filter? Why can't I simply select the MH? After all, it's the MH that does the filtering. By requiring me to select the MH's Inbox, it gives me the impression that the filters are attached to the Inbox as though the mail is fetched first and the filters are applied to the Inbox rather than to just the messages that were fetched - the later is called "scoreboarding" and I'll address that in the "Mail fetch question" thread. Now, don't misunderstand me. I know that I can run a filter - well, process actually - against a mailbox (the Inbox or any other mailbox). I'm not asking about that. >> 2 - What's the difference between 'Create filter rule' and 'Create >> processing rule'? > > See the manual: > http://www.claws-mail.org/manual/claws-mail-manual.html#adv_processing > > "Processing rules are the same as Filtering rules, except that they > are applied when entering a folder or when manually applied from a > folder's context menu and apply only to this folder." I find this a little strange. I don't believe Eudora, for example, worked that way but I may be wrong because I've been using TBird for so many years and have become somewhat enured to how a mail application should work. I think that in other mail applications, the user may apply any filter stack against the contents of any mailbox at any time, but I may be wrong. In any event, distinguishing between the scope of a sort on the basis of whether a rule is part of a filter or part of a process seems a thin and potentially confusing (and maybe even inefficient and/or buggy) distinction. May I suggest that there really is no difference between a "filter rule" and a "processing rule"? The distinction is in their scope. Ciao - Mark. PS: By the way. Regarding philosophy: I have already indicated that I consider naming to be a critical design step. Poorly chosen names are the source of a great number of support calls. Well chosen names help both 'how-to's and source code. I assume you agree. What I'm writing about in this message is a filter stack. "Filter stack" is a software architecture term. If one knows what a filter is and what a stack is and how they work regarding scope and sequencing, then the term "filter stack" doesn't really require much further explanation. But it has to be referred to as a "filter stack", not "filters" or not anything else. Now, my major beef with Microsoft is: not only does it dumb-down software, but it applies inappropriate metaphors that obscure how software processes work rather than illuminate them. Overall, I'm against metaphor. I have found that it's much better to use established programming names for architectural features and then _expect_ users to know what those terms me an. If the user doesn't know what a particular term means - aha! - there's a superscripted number directing them to a notation at the bottom of the page or to a side note or to a glossary entry - that's how to handle complicated topics! I'm reminded of the poem "Naming of Parts" by Henry Reed. The trick to all this is: you have to be consistent and you have to be right. Comments? -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 18:00:39 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 12:00:39 -0400 Subject: [Users] Mail fetch question. In-Reply-To: <20130407115847.431a9fd1@thewildbeast> References: <5160EC9E.7060909@gmail.com> <20130407115847.431a9fd1@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <51619827.5080107@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 6:58 AM, Paul wrote: > On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 23:48:46 -0400 > Mark Filipak wrote: > >> Are filters applied on-the-fly as mail is fetched or is the mail >> temporarily stored in the Inbox first, and then filtered? >> >> I would guess the former, but I don't want to assume. > > Neither. In between they are stored in a temp folder. That's inefficient. What happens if the app or computer crashes in the mean time? May I suggest you _not_ use a temp folder, that you store the incoming in the Inbox. But as they are received, scoreboard the files in a temp file. At the end, simply process the scoreboard. If things crash, on relaunch, look to see whether the scoreboard still exists. If it does, finish the filtering. Of course, you should always check for the existence of the scoreboard on every launch. -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 18:43:20 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 12:43:20 -0400 Subject: [Users] The Windows port. In-Reply-To: <20130406184310.74c0fe05@mike> References: <515FA8F5.5060900@gmail.com> <20130406184310.74c0fe05@mike> Message-ID: <5161A228.3020309@gmail.com> On 2013/4/6 12:43 PM, Colin Leroy wrote: > On 06 April 2013 at 00h47, Mark Filipak wrote: > > Hi, > > The start of your mail has already been replied to so I'll focus on the > second part. > >> In my opinion, the Claws Team would profit by acquiring the help of a >> Windows programmer. > > I couldn't agree more; unfortunately we didn't find one yet. I'll try to find someone. >> The various existing dialogs... -snip- > This kind of code comes from the underlying GTK+ library, so that's not > our time and effort that have been spent :) Ah... you smile now, but you'll really smile when the bug list dramatically shrinks. >> If the Claws Team acquires Windows skills, then perhaps they will >> profit from such knowledge: knowledge developed by what is, by a very >> wide margin, the largest, richest, and most successful software >> company in history. > > I'm not sure what's the point there.... -snip- Just probing for attitude problems. Glad to see there aren't any. -snip- > In reality, I'm keeping the Windows port of Claws Mail as up-to-date > and stable as I am, not because I love one-hour long builds failing in > mysterious ways after generating gigabytes of object code, but because > a few users on this mailing-list love Claws Mail for what it is and > have to use Windows sometimes. These guys and their positivism help C-M > on Win32 a lot because I wouldn't do it otherwise. Well, first: Thank you for your effort. I mean that most sincerely. I must use an email app that's both Win and Lin. Secont: The Win port works well enough, but I'd like to help you guys, so I will. > So, in any way, if you want to help make Claws Mail better for Windows, > you're very welcome - be it by patches, documentation, bug-reporting or > donations; but don't expect Claws Mail to become a different software > that the one it is today (I'm thinking of the whole mailbox/ account/ > folder/ source discussion in the other thread). We'll see... -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Apr 7 19:09:46 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 18:09:46 +0100 Subject: [Users] The Windows port. In-Reply-To: <20130406184310.74c0fe05@mike> References: <515FA8F5.5060900@gmail.com> <20130406184310.74c0fe05@mike> Message-ID: <20130407180946.5fff0099@thewildbeast> On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 18:43:10 +0200 Colin Leroy wrote: > I think I can speak for the whole team when I say that we're all > past age of hating Microsoft because it's fashionable. Our > "Micro$oft $ucks" days are well past us. I don't know about anyone else but my views on microsoft were never influenced by fashion. Yes, Micro$oft $ucks, but endlessly repeating that doesn't get anywhere, clearly! with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 19:10:34 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 13:10:34 -0400 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <20130406132857.194366ee@wodan> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> <515F81F5.2020409@gmail.com> <20130406132857.194366ee@wodan> Message-ID: <5161A88A.6070201@gmail.com> On 2013/4/6 7:28 AM, Holger Berndt wrote: > On Fr, 05.04.2013 22:01, Mark Filipak wrote: > >>> In Claws Mail, a mailbox and an account are two distinct concepts. >> >> Yes! But the nomenclature is getting into the way. The idea that >> the container of mailboxes is 'The Mailbox' is getting in the way >> of understanding. > > That's your very own idea. A "mailbox" not a container of mailboxes. I don't know what you mean, but it's not important. > I think what's getting in your way of understanding is that you're > trying to change everything even before having taken the effort to > understand it. You're right to be cautious. I understand how email applications work. >> The 1st step is to give everything a name. A well chosen name... -snip- > The things have appropriate names. In some cases, yes; in some cases, no. > There is a "mailbox", which is basically a storage location. You can > have one or multiple of those, and they can be stored on different > physical locations. > > Inside a mailbox, you can have a nested "folder" structure. "Inbox" is the name of a mailbox, is it not? "Sent" is name of a folder, not a mailbox, correct? If I create a filter that routes mail to "Joe", then Joe is a mailbox named "Joe", is that not correct? > Then there are "account"s, which handle the take-over from your mailbox > to the provider for sending and (possibly) receiving. Those are Claws processes. Accounts are what people have on mail and news servers, or am I wrong? > That's actually pretty consistent to what the terms mean in other > applications as well. It's just that some push the user to have a 1:1 > association between accounts and mailboxes, and thus can use the > terms interchangably. I must be misreading what you write. It seems to me that you are using the terms interchangeably. >>> A mailbox is used to store messages. An account is used to pull in >>> and/or send out messages. It seems to me that a mailbox is a folder to which Claws automatically delivers mail (as opposed to a folder to which the user has manually moved messages), and that an account is a service that runs on a mail or news server on behalf of a mail client and therefore has nothing directly to do with Claws other than configuration (username, password, credential, authentication, encryption, etc.), and that the process that pulls the mail from the server is a fetch. >>> There's no problem in having multiple >>> accounts that fetch messages and dump them into the very same mailbox. >> >> Account? These are Mail Accounts? How about Mail Sources? Mail comes >> from Mail Sources (POP & IMAP servers) and gets deposited in Mail >> Boxes. > > That's only half the truth (accounts do not only receive... -snip- I was addressing only the mail reception part of the story because it's the most complex. Sending mail is a relatively simple task. > A "source" is also more abstract than an "account". I disagree. "Source" is specific. It's "account" that's abstract. "Account" is abstract because it's a metaphor. Also, you're using "account" only because the guys who write server code use it. They use it only because, by extension, it requires a user account on the server system. The software architecture term for where a message comes from is "source". IMHO, that's the term that should be used. -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Apr 7 19:35:09 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 18:35:09 +0100 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <5161A88A.6070201@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> <515F81F5.2020409@gmail.com> <20130406132857.194366ee@wodan> <5161A88A.6070201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130407183509.211442d0@thewildbeast> On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 13:10:34 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: > "Inbox" is the name of a mailbox, is it not? No. Inbox is a folder in a mailbox. > "Sent" is name of a folder, not a mailbox, correct? Yes. > If I create a filter that routes mail to "Joe", then Joe is a > mailbox named "Joe", is that not correct? If 'routes' means 'moves' then, no, 'Joe' is a folder in a mailbox. > Those are Claws processes. Accounts are what people have on mail > and news servers, or am I wrong? People also have accounts at banks, accounts on websites, accounts with utility companies, accounts in claws-mail, and other sorts of accounts, including mail and news servers. > > That's actually pretty consistent to what the terms mean in other > > applications as well. It's just that some push the user to have a > > 1:1 association between accounts and mailboxes, and thus can use > > the terms interchangably. > > I must be misreading what you write. It seems to me that you are > using the terms interchangeably. iirc, some mail apps will always create a mailbox when a user creates an account. I believe that is the reference here. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From berndth at gmx.de Sun Apr 7 19:42:18 2013 From: berndth at gmx.de (Holger Berndt) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 19:42:18 +0200 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <5161A88A.6070201@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> <515F81F5.2020409@gmail.com> <20130406132857.194366ee@wodan> <5161A88A.6070201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130407194218.3db62cdf@wodan> On So, 07.04.2013 13:10, Mark Filipak wrote: >> There is a "mailbox", which is basically a storage location. You can >> have one or multiple of those, and they can be stored on different >> physical locations. >> >> Inside a mailbox, you can have a nested "folder" structure. > >"Inbox" is the name of a mailbox, is it not? No, it's not. Inbox is a folder. >"Sent" is name of a folder, not a mailbox, correct? Yes. >If I create a >filter that routes mail to "Joe", then Joe is a mailbox named "Joe", >is that not correct? "Routing" mail is ambigous, so this question is not precise enough to be answered. However, I think if you carefully read the explanations that I gave you so far, the question is probably answered. >>>> A mailbox is used to store messages. An account is used to pull in >>>> and/or send out messages. > >It seems to me that a mailbox is a folder to which Claws automatically >delivers mail (as opposed to a folder to which the user has manually >moved messages), No, see above. >and that an account is a service that runs on a mail or news server >on behalf of a mail client and therefore has nothing >directly to do with Claws other than configuration (username, password, >credential, authentication, encryption, etc.), More or less, yes (Claws Mail can also access local mail spools on unix machines). >> That's only half the truth (accounts do not only receive... >-snip- > >I was addressing only the mail reception part of the story because it's >the most complex. Sending mail is a relatively simple task. The point is that renaming "account" to "mail source" is either half or completely wrong. An SMTP-only account is clearly not a mail source. And a POP3 account in Claws Mail contains config for message sending as well, so calling it a mail source would also be misnaming. Holger From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 19:42:36 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 13:42:36 -0400 Subject: [Users] The Windows port. In-Reply-To: <20130407180946.5fff0099@thewildbeast> References: <515FA8F5.5060900@gmail.com> <20130406184310.74c0fe05@mike> <20130407180946.5fff0099@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <5161B00C.4060801@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 1:09 PM, Paul wrote: > On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 18:43:10 +0200 > Colin Leroy wrote: >> I think I can speak for the whole team when I say that we're all >> past age of hating Microsoft because it's fashionable. Our >> "Micro$oft $ucks" days are well past us. > > I don't know about anyone else but my views on microsoft were never > influenced by fashion. Yes, Micro$oft $ucks, but endlessly repeating > that doesn't get anywhere, clearly! Well, I think Micro$oft $uck$, not because of the '$', but because, though a bug in RPC (remote procedure call) processing can expose a computer system to mayhem from the outside, Microsoft's misuse of the call gate structure inside the Intel 80386 core to create Active-X, 1, goes far beyond RPC, 2, was intentional (not a bug), and 3, has lead to rootkit viruses. In my opinion, it bordered on criminal behavior and has jeopardized United States national security. I would not use a Microsoft product for anything that connects to a public network. -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Apr 7 19:46:15 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 18:46:15 +0100 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130407184615.20e0eac9@thewildbeast> On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 11:54:28 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: > > "There is also a quick method of creating filtering rules based on > > the selected message. After selecting a mail of the type you want > > to filter, choose "Create filter rule..." from the "Tools" menu" > > Not "how", but "why". Why do I have to select (highlight) the MH's > Inbox before I can create a filter? Why can't I simply select the > MH? As the manual says, this 'quick method', (correctly implying that there is another method that is not so quick), will create filtering rules based on the selected message. So you have to select a message because this 'quick method' works on a selected message, so if there is no message selected nothing can be done, so it is greyed out until a message is selected. > After all, it's the MH that does the filtering. No, the 'MH' doesn't do the filtering. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 19:52:20 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 13:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <20130407183509.211442d0@thewildbeast> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> <515F81F5.2020409@gmail.com> <20130406132857.194366ee@wodan> <5161A88A.6070201@gmail.com> <20130407183509.211442d0@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <5161B254.3020405@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 1:35 PM, Paul wrote: > On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 13:10:34 -0400 > Mark Filipak wrote: > >> "Inbox" is the name of a mailbox, is it not? > > No. Inbox is a folder in a mailbox. -big snip- Example (where '[i]' is an icon): [i] aerotek <<-- Account or Mailbox? [i] Inbox <<-- Mailbox or Folder? [i] Sent <<-- Mailbox or Folder? [i] Drafts <<-- Mailbox or Folder? [i] Queue <<-- Mailbox or Folder? [i] Trash <<-- Mailbox or Folder? [i] Tom <<-- Mailbox or Folder? [i] Dick <<-- Mailbox or Folder? [i] Harry <<-- Mailbox or Folder? -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 20:04:41 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:04:41 -0400 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <20130407194218.3db62cdf@wodan> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> <515F81F5.2020409@gmail.com> <20130406132857.194366ee@wodan> <5161A88A.6070201@gmail.com> <20130407194218.3db62cdf@wodan> Message-ID: <5161B539.2070308@gmail.com> Thanks, Holger. I appreciate your response. On 2013/4/7 1:42 PM, Holger Berndt wrote: > On So, 07.04.2013 13:10, Mark Filipak wrote: > >>> There is a "mailbox", which is basically a storage location. You can >>> have one or multiple of those, and they can be stored on different >>> physical locations. >>> >>> Inside a mailbox, you can have a nested "folder" structure. >> >> "Inbox" is the name of a mailbox, is it not? > > No, it's not. Inbox is a folder. Then why does it have 'box' at the end of its name? >> "Sent" is name of a folder, not a mailbox, correct? > > Yes. > >> If I create a >> filter that routes mail to "Joe", then Joe is a mailbox named "Joe", >> is that not correct? > > "Routing" mail is ambigous, so this question is not precise enough to > be answered. Sorry. I should have written 'sorts mail into "Joe"'. > However, I think if you carefully read the explanations > that I gave you so far, the question is probably answered. No. 1, it's not a question, so I'm not looking for an answer, and 2, you have been vague. It would help if you used software terms instead of metaphors. >>>>> A mailbox is used to store messages. An account is used to pull in >>>>> and/or send out messages. >> >> It seems to me that a mailbox is a folder to which Claws automatically >> delivers mail (as opposed to a folder to which the user has manually >> moved messages), > > No, see above. > >> and that an account is a service that runs on a mail or news server >> on behalf of a mail client and therefore has nothing >> directly to do with Claws other than configuration (username, password, >> credential, authentication, encryption, etc.), > > More or less, yes (Claws Mail can also access local mail spools on > unix machines). Spoolers are also servers, are they not? >>> That's only half the truth (accounts do not only receive... >> -snip- >> >> I was addressing only the mail reception part of the story because it's >> the most complex. Sending mail is a relatively simple task. > > The point is that renaming "account" to "mail source" is either half or > completely wrong. An SMTP-only account is clearly not a mail source. I'm not writing about sending mail, only fetching mail. > And a POP3 account in Claws Mail contains config for message sending as > well, so calling it a mail source would also be misnaming. I'm not writing about sending mail, only fetching mail. -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Apr 7 20:08:11 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 19:08:11 +0100 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <5161B254.3020405@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> <515F81F5.2020409@gmail.com> <20130406132857.194366ee@wodan> <5161A88A.6070201@gmail.com> <20130407183509.211442d0@thewildbeast> <5161B254.3020405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130407190811.00c34cef@thewildbeast> [i] aerotek (MH) <<-- Mailbox [i] Inbox <<-- Folder [i] Sent <<-- Folder [i] Drafts <<-- Folder [i] Queue <<-- Folder [i] Trash <<-- Folder [i] Tom <<-- Folder [i] Dick <<-- Folder [i] Harry <<-- Folder -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 20:10:56 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:10:56 -0400 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <20130407184615.20e0eac9@thewildbeast> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> <20130407184615.20e0eac9@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <5161B6B0.7060802@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 1:46 PM, Paul wrote: > On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 11:54:28 -0400 > Mark Filipak wrote: > >>> "There is also a quick method of creating filtering rules based on >>> the selected message. After selecting a mail of the type you want >>> to filter, choose "Create filter rule..." from the "Tools" menu" >> >> Not "how", but "why". Why do I have to select (highlight) the MH's >> Inbox before I can create a filter? Why can't I simply select the >> MH? > > As the manual says, this 'quick method', (correctly implying that > there is another method that is not so quick), will create filtering > rules based on the selected message. So you have to select a message > because this 'quick method' works on a selected message, so if there > is no message selected nothing can be done, so it is greyed out until > a message is selected. Thank you, Paul, but you continue to misunderstand. Perhaps I'm not being clear. What I ask is not specific to 'quick filters' - you brought that up. What I ask about has to do with 'Tools' > 'Create filter rule'. If I want to create a new filter rule for 'aerotek', selecting (highlighting) 'aerotek' is not sufficient - the 'Create filter rule' menu item is greyed out. I must select 'aerotek'/Inbox. Why? -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From chinatinte at gmx.ch Sun Apr 7 20:10:55 2013 From: chinatinte at gmx.ch (Inzli) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:10:55 +0200 Subject: [Users] The Windows port. In-Reply-To: <5161B00C.4060801@gmail.com> References: <515FA8F5.5060900@gmail.com> <20130406184310.74c0fe05@mike> <20130407180946.5fff0099@thewildbeast> <5161B00C.4060801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130407201055.62665c7e@vienna> Mark Filipak : > I would > not use a Microsoft product for anything that connects to a public > network. But I see: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 :-) From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 20:21:22 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:21:22 -0400 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <20130407190811.00c34cef@thewildbeast> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> <515F81F5.2020409@gmail.com> <20130406132857.194366ee@wodan> <5161A88A.6070201@gmail.com> <20130407183509.211442d0@thewildbeast> <5161B254.3020405@gmail.com> <20130407190811.00c34cef@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <5161B922.8050106@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 2:08 PM, Paul wrote: > > [i] aerotek (MH) <<-- Mailbox > [i] Inbox <<-- Folder > [i] Sent <<-- Folder > [i] Drafts <<-- Folder > [i] Queue <<-- Folder > [i] Trash <<-- Folder > [i] Tom <<-- Folder > [i] Dick <<-- Folder > [i] Harry <<-- Folder So, what's an Account? From the Glossary: "an identity within Claws Mail". An 'identity'? Another meaningless metaphor. Talk about vague... Here's my conception of the (real) architecture: [i] aerotek <<-- Mail Handler [i] Inbox <<-- Default Mailbox [i] Sent <<-- System Folder [i] Drafts <<-- System Folder [i] Queue <<-- System Folder [i] Trash <<-- System Folder [i] Tom <<-- User Mailbox if the target of a sort, User Folder otherwise [i] Dick <<-- User Mailbox if the target of a sort, User Folder otherwise [i] Harry <<-- User Mailbox if the target of a sort, User Folder otherwise -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 20:22:49 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:22:49 -0400 Subject: [Users] The Windows port. In-Reply-To: <20130407201055.62665c7e@vienna> References: <515FA8F5.5060900@gmail.com> <20130406184310.74c0fe05@mike> <20130407180946.5fff0099@thewildbeast> <5161B00C.4060801@gmail.com> <20130407201055.62665c7e@vienna> Message-ID: <5161B979.8000909@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 2:10 PM, Inzli wrote: > Mark Filipak : > > >> I would >> not use a Microsoft product for anything that connects to a public >> network. > > But I see: > > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; > rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 Indeed! That's why I'm here. I aim to pull the network plug on my Windows host. -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Apr 7 20:24:27 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 19:24:27 +0100 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <5161B6B0.7060802@gmail.com> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> <20130407184615.20e0eac9@thewildbeast> <5161B6B0.7060802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130407192427.36a7beea@thewildbeast> On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:10:56 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: > Thank you, Paul, but you continue to misunderstand. Perhaps I'm not > being clear. What I ask is not specific to 'quick filters' - you > brought that up. What I ask about has to do with 'Tools' > 'Create > filter rule'. > > If I want to create a new filter rule for 'aerotek', selecting > (highlighting) 'aerotek' is not sufficient - the 'Create filter > rule' menu item is greyed out. I must select 'aerotek'/Inbox. Why? Because filter rules aren't based on mailboxes, and aerotek is a mailbox. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 20:31:20 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:31:20 -0400 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <20130407192427.36a7beea@thewildbeast> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> <20130407184615.20e0eac9@thewildbeast> <5161B6B0.7060802@gmail.com> <20130407192427.36a7beea@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <5161BB78.2050603@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 2:24 PM, Paul wrote: > On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:10:56 -0400 > Mark Filipak wrote: > >> Thank you, Paul, but you continue to misunderstand. Perhaps I'm not >> being clear. What I ask is not specific to 'quick filters' - you >> brought that up. What I ask about has to do with 'Tools' > 'Create >> filter rule'. >> >> If I want to create a new filter rule for 'aerotek', selecting >> (highlighting) 'aerotek' is not sufficient - the 'Create filter >> rule' menu item is greyed out. I must select 'aerotek'/Inbox. Why? > > Because filter rules aren't based on mailboxes, and aerotek is a > mailbox. If 'aerotek' is a mailbox, why does it say '(MH)' after the name? -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From colin at colino.net Sun Apr 7 20:35:16 2013 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:35:16 +0200 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <5161B539.2070308@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> <515F81F5.2020409@gmail.com> <20130406132857.194366ee@wodan> <5161A88A.6070201@gmail.com> <20130407194218.3db62cdf@wodan> <5161B539.2070308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130407203516.0b9293b2@mike> On 07 April 2013 at 14h04, Mark Filipak wrote: Hi, > > No, it's not. Inbox is a folder. > > Then why does it have 'box' at the end of its name? Because that's how it's spelt. inbox [in-boks] noun 1. a boxlike tray, basket, or the like, as on a desk, for holding incoming mail, messages, or work. 2. Computers. a folder for receiving and storing incoming e-mails or text messages. -- Colin Please forgive any typo, I'm typing one-handed for a few days -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: not available URL: From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Apr 7 20:36:16 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 19:36:16 +0100 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <5161BB78.2050603@gmail.com> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> <20130407184615.20e0eac9@thewildbeast> <5161B6B0.7060802@gmail.com> <20130407192427.36a7beea@thewildbeast> <5161BB78.2050603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130407193616.54ce827d@thewildbeast> On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:31:20 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: > If 'aerotek' is a mailbox, why does it say '(MH)' after the name? It says that because it's an MH mailbox. Hmmm, I'm starting to think that you are just pretending that you don't understand this stuff. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 20:43:06 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:43:06 -0400 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <20130407203516.0b9293b2@mike> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> <515F81F5.2020409@gmail.com> <20130406132857.194366ee@wodan> <5161A88A.6070201@gmail.com> <20130407194218.3db62cdf@wodan> <5161B539.2070308@gmail.com> <20130407203516.0b9293b2@mike> Message-ID: <5161BE3A.30107@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 2:35 PM, Colin Leroy wrote: > On 07 April 2013 at 14h04, Mark Filipak wrote: > > Hi, > >>> No, it's not. Inbox is a folder. >> >> Then why does it have 'box' at the end of its name? > > Because that's how it's spelt. > inbox [in-boks] noun > 1. a boxlike tray, basket, or the like, as on a desk, for holding > incoming mail, messages, or work. > 2. Computers. a folder for receiving and storing incoming e-mails or > text messages. Hahahahaha... It's [in-boks] but is not a mailbox. That's rich. Of course it's a folder to the filesystem. What's currently being called a mailbox (example: 'aerotek (MH)') is ALSO a folder, yet it's being called a mailbox. I guess I'm the only person who sees the inconsistency. - fail - -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 20:46:07 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:46:07 -0400 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <20130407193616.54ce827d@thewildbeast> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> <20130407184615.20e0eac9@thewildbeast> <5161B6B0.7060802@gmail.com> <20130407192427.36a7beea@thewildbeast> <5161BB78.2050603@gmail.com> <20130407193616.54ce827d@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <5161BEEF.3050409@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 2:36 PM, Paul wrote: > On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:31:20 -0400 > Mark Filipak wrote: > >> If 'aerotek' is a mailbox, why does it say '(MH)' after the name? > > It says that because it's an MH mailbox. > > Hmmm, I'm starting to think that you are just pretending that you > don't understand this stuff. Look: I understand this stuff. Okay. I give up. I'll use Claws but I won't participate. -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From colin at colino.net Sun Apr 7 20:47:26 2013 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 20:47:26 +0200 Subject: [Users] Mail fetch question. In-Reply-To: <51619827.5080107@gmail.com> References: <5160EC9E.7060909@gmail.com> <20130407115847.431a9fd1@thewildbeast> <51619827.5080107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130407204726.3bcf64fb@mike> On 07 April 2013 at 12h00, Mark Filipak wrote: Hi, > > Neither. In between they are stored in a temp folder. > > That's inefficient. What happens if the app or computer crashes in > the mean time? They usually get downloaded again and there can be duplicates. > May I suggest you _not_ use a temp folder, that you store the > incoming in the Inbox. But as they are received, scoreboard the files > in a temp file. At the end, simply process the scoreboard. If things > crash, on relaunch, look to see whether the scoreboard still exists. > If it does, finish the filtering. Of course, you should always check > for the existence of the scoreboard on every launch. Patches welcome! -- Colin Please forgive any typo, I'm typing one-handed for a few days -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: not available URL: From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 20:50:50 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:50:50 -0400 Subject: [Users] Mail fetch question. In-Reply-To: <20130407204726.3bcf64fb@mike> References: <5160EC9E.7060909@gmail.com> <20130407115847.431a9fd1@thewildbeast> <51619827.5080107@gmail.com> <20130407204726.3bcf64fb@mike> Message-ID: <5161C00A.1050507@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 2:47 PM, Colin Leroy wrote: > On 07 April 2013 at 12h00, Mark Filipak wrote: > > Hi, > >>> Neither. In between they are stored in a temp folder. >> >> That's inefficient. What happens if the app or computer crashes in >> the mean time? > > They usually get downloaded again and there can be duplicates. Downloaded again?... from a POP server?... How does this magic work? >> May I suggest you _not_ use a temp folder, that you store the >> incoming in the Inbox. But as they are received, scoreboard the files >> in a temp file. At the end, simply process the scoreboard. If things >> crash, on relaunch, look to see whether the scoreboard still exists. >> If it does, finish the filtering. Of course, you should always check >> for the existence of the scoreboard on every launch. > > Patches welcome! Patches? Patches? I don't have no stinking patches. -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From chinatinte at gmx.ch Sun Apr 7 21:07:26 2013 From: chinatinte at gmx.ch (Inzli) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 21:07:26 +0200 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <20130407193616.54ce827d@thewildbeast> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> <20130407184615.20e0eac9@thewildbeast> <5161B6B0.7060802@gmail.com> <20130407192427.36a7beea@thewildbeast> <5161BB78.2050603@gmail.com> <20130407193616.54ce827d@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20130407210726.689a4608@vienna> This whole Q&A reminds me of the "discussions" with Mark in the FreeBSD- and Debian-list :-/ So let's face it: Mark will only use CM, but not participate. Sun, 7 Apr 2013 19:36:16 +0100 Paul wrote: > On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:31:20 -0400 > Mark Filipak wrote: > > > If 'aerotek' is a mailbox, why does it say '(MH)' after the name? > > It says that because it's an MH mailbox. > > Hmmm, I'm starting to think that you are just pretending that you > don't understand this stuff. > > with regards > > Paul > > From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 21:24:19 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:24:19 -0400 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <20130407210726.689a4608@vienna> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> <20130407184615.20e0eac9@thewildbeast> <5161B6B0.7060802@gmail.com> <20130407192427.36a7beea@thewildbeast> <5161BB78.2050603@gmail.com> <20130407193616.54ce827d@thewildbeast> <20130407210726.689a4608@vienna> Message-ID: <5161C7E3.6070904@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 3:07 PM, Inzli wrote: > This whole Q&A reminds me of the "discussions" with Mark in the > FreeBSD- and Debian-list :-/ That's right. They didn't understand what I was getting at either. I got RTFM when that didn't apply. I got abuse when I persisted with valid questions. You guys have your noses pushed into tree trunks and can't see the forest. Oh well. I could help and I'm willing to contribute, but what I don't want is arguing. Argument is fine but blind opposition is not... I'm just getting too old for that. > So let's face it: Mark will only use CM, but not participate. You'll get over it ;-) -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From colin at colino.net Sun Apr 7 21:25:20 2013 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 21:25:20 +0200 Subject: [Users] Mail fetch question. In-Reply-To: <5161C00A.1050507@gmail.com> References: <5160EC9E.7060909@gmail.com> <20130407115847.431a9fd1@thewildbeast> <51619827.5080107@gmail.com> <20130407204726.3bcf64fb@mike> <5161C00A.1050507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130407212520.31088ef9@mike> On 07 April 2013 at 14h50, Mark Filipak wrote: Hi, > Downloaded again?... from a POP server?... How does this magic work? See attached image :) Sorry, couldn't resist. -- Colin That, or not deleting from server before everything's OK. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 151945 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: not available URL: From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 21:28:33 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:28:33 -0400 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <20130407210726.689a4608@vienna> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> <20130407184615.20e0eac9@thewildbeast> <5161B6B0.7060802@gmail.com> <20130407192427.36a7beea@thewildbeast> <5161BB78.2050603@gmail.com> <20130407193616.54ce827d@thewildbeast> <20130407210726.689a4608@vienna> Message-ID: <5161C8E1.3000703@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 3:07 PM, Inzli wrote: > This whole Q&A reminds me of the "discussions" with Mark in the > FreeBSD- and Debian-list :-/ > > So let's face it: Mark will only use CM, but not participate. Oh, while you were at your research, did you find where I was one of two computer architects at Intel? Did you find I was a computer architect at Altos Computers? Did you find I was the Wyse Technology representative on the EISA Engineering Task Force that wrote the EISA Specification (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Industry_Standard_Architecture). -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 21:34:50 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:34:50 -0400 Subject: [Users] Mail fetch question. In-Reply-To: <20130407212520.31088ef9@mike> References: <5160EC9E.7060909@gmail.com> <20130407115847.431a9fd1@thewildbeast> <51619827.5080107@gmail.com> <20130407204726.3bcf64fb@mike> <5161C00A.1050507@gmail.com> <20130407212520.31088ef9@mike> Message-ID: <5161CA5A.6050001@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 3:25 PM, Colin Leroy wrote: > On 07 April 2013 at 14h50, Mark Filipak wrote: > > Hi, > >> Downloaded again?... from a POP server?... How does this magic work? > > See attached image :) > > Sorry, couldn't resist. Well, at least the ridicule here is funny. -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org Sun Apr 7 22:20:35 2013 From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 17:20:35 -0300 Subject: [Users] The Windows port. In-Reply-To: <5161B00C.4060801@gmail.com> References: <515FA8F5.5060900@gmail.com> <20130407180946.5fff0099@thewildbeast> <5161B00C.4060801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201304071720.35141.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> On Sunday 07 Apr 2013 14:42 my mailbox was graced by a message from Mark Filipak who wrote: > In my opinion, it bordered on criminal behavior and has jeopardized United > States national security. I would not use a Microsoft product for anything > that connects to a public network. Some years back, a nephew of mine, officer serving in the French military, told me the order had come from on high that IF they used a computer for their professional work, and IF that computer connected to the Internet, they were expressly forbidden to use MS Windows as an OS. Cheers, Ron. -- Experience is not what happens to you; it is what you do with what happens to you. -- Aldous Huxley -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- From chinatinte at gmx.ch Sun Apr 7 22:26:31 2013 From: chinatinte at gmx.ch (Inzli) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 22:26:31 +0200 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <5161C8E1.3000703@gmail.com> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> <20130407184615.20e0eac9@thewildbeast> <5161B6B0.7060802@gmail.com> <20130407192427.36a7beea@thewildbeast> <5161BB78.2050603@gmail.com> <20130407193616.54ce827d@thewildbeast> <20130407210726.689a4608@vienna> <5161C8E1.3000703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130407222631.3219a993@vienna> Am Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:28:33 -0400 schrieb Mark Filipak : > On 2013/4/7 3:07 PM, Inzli wrote: > > This whole Q&A reminds me of the "discussions" with Mark in the > > FreeBSD- and Debian-list :-/ > > > > So let's face it: Mark will only use CM, but not participate. > > Oh, while you were at your research, did you find where I was one of > two computer architects at Intel? Did you find I was a computer > architect at Altos Computers? Did you find I was the Wyse Technology > representative on the EISA Engineering Task Force that wrote the EISA > Specification > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Industry_Standard_Architecture). No. But I have these old posts from you in my ML-archive: > I've never successfully installed any distribution of Linux. I don't > know why, but when I tried to read the documentation I gave up. The > documentation was simultaneously dumb and obtuse and way too wordy. So > I concluded that Linux is a hobbiest OS without much real-world use. or: > You know, Lisi, you're a real jerk. or: > What a nonsensical statement. I've never successfully installed any > distribution of Linux. [snipsnapsnup] > The only result of my attempted installations has been > cryptic error messages and non-bootable disks. I have asked for help > over the period of 15 years and Linux-knuckleheads have offered none. > All I've ever gotten is platitudes and "Windoze sucks!" And regarding filter rules: Mine were making sure that my Troll-folder never gets emty. Since at least 2009, you use your "linux"-gmail-address, But although your experience, you have never succeeded to install any Linux-distro. You've been trolling in other mailing lists since years, and, as far as I see only in the lists I've subscribed, you are often called a troll: "Seems to me that Mark is simply a troll (certainly not a "debian-user")" or: "There is no useful way to respond to such posters that used to be called trolls ..." So there always have been people out there in the wilderness who tried to help you and who will try to help you. From what I see and remember, people involved in the community have spent hours and hours to help you. When they asked you for specific error messages, you sometimes insulted them. But if you continue this way, you have to face that you'll be called a troll. Inzli From iwkse at claws-mail.org Sun Apr 7 22:35:38 2013 From: iwkse at claws-mail.org (Salvatore De Paolis) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 22:35:38 +0200 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <5161C7E3.6070904@gmail.com> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> <20130407184615.20e0eac9@thewildbeast> <5161B6B0.7060802@gmail.com> <20130407192427.36a7beea@thewildbeast> <5161BB78.2050603@gmail.com> <20130407193616.54ce827d@thewildbeast> <20130407210726.689a4608@vienna> <5161C7E3.6070904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130407223538.56a85fe1@net24.it> Hi Mark, On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:24:19 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: > You guys have your noses pushed into tree trunks and can't see the forest. Oh > well. I could help and I'm willing to contribute, but what I don't want is > arguing. Argument is fine but blind opposition is not... I'm just getting too > old for that. Agreed on that. That's only because in Europe is harder to find lophophora williamsii. By the way if you don't feel like arguing don't do it. There are better things to do, for example listening to, understanding, etc. .. ... .. -- Salvatore From colin at colino.net Sun Apr 7 22:56:10 2013 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 22:56:10 +0200 Subject: [Users] Mail fetch question. In-Reply-To: <5161CA5A.6050001@gmail.com> References: <5160EC9E.7060909@gmail.com> <20130407115847.431a9fd1@thewildbeast> <51619827.5080107@gmail.com> <20130407204726.3bcf64fb@mike> <5161C00A.1050507@gmail.com> <20130407212520.31088ef9@mike> <5161CA5A.6050001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43f7ddf7-8280-458e-a768-0efd858d2760@email.android.com> Mark Filipak a écrit : >On 2013/4/7 3:25 PM, Colin Leroy wrote: >> On 07 April 2013 at 14h50, Mark Filipak wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >>> Downloaded again?... from a POP server?... How does this magic work? >> >> See attached image :) >> >> Sorry, couldn't resist. > >Well, at least the ridicule here is funny. The real reason was in my signature, but I didn't want to spoil the joke. -- Envoyé de mon smartphone ; excusez la brièveté. Sent from my smartphone ; please excuse the brevity. From clifflaine at europe.com Sun Apr 7 23:07:38 2013 From: clifflaine at europe.com (Cliff Laine) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 22:07:38 +0100 Subject: [Users] Keyboard shortcuts to inboxes (Paul) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130407220738.64df96fe@cliff-MXC061> Thanks Paul for that. BTW, one thing about this list is that in CM 3.8.1 on Linux Mint 14 Nadia, it's always necessary to manually post the answer, because pressing reply, the quoted text cuts off after a short number of lines, so anyway, this was the conversation.... On Sun, 7 Apr 2013 10:08:02 +0100 Cliff Laine wrote: > The focus is in the account and mailbox list on (my) LH side. I > want to go to the inbox of the account listed third down that list, > using only the keyboard. > > If I press G then I, it takes me to the inbox of the first listed > account. If I press I again, it looks for a mailbox name beginning > "ii". > > Is there a way of altering anything so that repeated pressing of I > would take me to the next account's inbox? No, but you can use the 'down' cursor key to go to the next match. with regards Paul From sylpheed at 911networks.com Sun Apr 7 23:48:02 2013 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:48:02 -0700 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <5161C7E3.6070904@gmail.com> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> <20130407184615.20e0eac9@thewildbeast> <5161B6B0.7060802@gmail.com> <20130407192427.36a7beea@thewildbeast> <5161BB78.2050603@gmail.com> <20130407193616.54ce827d@thewildbeast> <20130407210726.689a4608@vienna> <5161C7E3.6070904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130407144802.37843871@frogguski.911networks.com> On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:24:19 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: >On 2013/4/7 3:07 PM, Inzli wrote: >> This whole Q&A reminds me of the "discussions" with Mark in the >> FreeBSD- and Debian-list :-/ > >That's right. They didn't understand what I was getting at either. If the problem is with just one list, then it's always "their" fault. But similar problems on multiple lists? Questions are always welcome. The list has always been extremely helpful to me. But telling people that their don't know the right way of doing things and need to be enlightened just because "I know better". My suggestion is to cleanup and reboot, so we can be of help. -- Thanks http://www.911networks.com When the network has to work From sp113438 at telfort.nl Mon Apr 8 01:15:10 2013 From: sp113438 at telfort.nl (sp113438) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 01:15:10 +0200 Subject: [Users] Spam button greyed out In-Reply-To: <20130406054926.651a54b2@thewildbeast> References: <20130406064210.7bc29450@fx4100> <20130406054926.651a54b2@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20130408011510.6ae1dede@fx4100> On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 05:49:26 +0100 Paul wrote: > On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 06:42:10 +0200 > sp113438 wrote: > > > On my amd64 Debian squeeze I have the spam button greyed out. > > So it does not work? > > > > Any advice ;-) > > You don't have a spam plugin loaded. > > with regards > > Paul > > Thanks! From pf at pfortin.com Mon Apr 8 04:13:58 2013 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 22:13:58 -0400 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <5161B539.2070308@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> <515F81F5.2020409@gmail.com> <20130406132857.194366ee@wodan> <5161A88A.6070201@gmail.com> <20130407194218.3db62cdf@wodan> <5161B539.2070308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130407221358.27e64b76@pfortin.com> On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:04:41 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: >Then why does it have 'box' at the end of its name? Better Qs: Why isn't: - "Sent" -> "Outbox"? - "drafts" -> "WIPbox"? - "Queue" -> "MailCart"? - "Trash" -> "CircularFile"? :) Granted... from an earlier message, you warned us (in your own words): >Can you help me a little more? Remember I'm a Linux novice, but more >importantly, I'm a hardware engineer (and you know how linearly-stupid ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >hardware engineers can be!). Sheesh Mark, are we gonna be treated to constant "but why?" questions? Respectfully, that's a pre-schooler's approach... Many of us have been CM users since its SC days (some since S days); and are very happy with the work of all the developers, regardless of the "names". Unless you are here to provide patches, who cares that the ${ITEM}s are not named perfectly in your opinion? Inbox, In, Incoming, Received, You_have_mail, Reed Basket(sic), whatever... C'mon! The most succinct developer is Paul who's now responded more to you than he normally does to the entire list. I worry he'll get irritated and move on... or is that your real goal? Are you a TBird or other plant trying to disrupt this project? If not, here's a patch you can consider creating/submitting: since the main folders each have a "folder type", there should be no reason why they couldn't be renamed to whatever you like; kinda like a "personal locale"... i.e., I'm pretty sure Colin's folders have French names based on his locale... Paul, Colin, Holger, et al: THANKS guys!! Sure am glad CM doesn't support Air Mail -- would hate to see the discussion if it did... Pierre "licking screen to seal envelope" cuz CM doesn't have that either.... From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Mon Apr 8 05:44:10 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 23:44:10 -0400 Subject: [Users] Mail fetch question. In-Reply-To: <43f7ddf7-8280-458e-a768-0efd858d2760@email.android.com> References: <5160EC9E.7060909@gmail.com> <20130407115847.431a9fd1@thewildbeast> <51619827.5080107@gmail.com> <20130407204726.3bcf64fb@mike> <5161C00A.1050507@gmail.com> <20130407212520.31088ef9@mike> <5161CA5A.6050001@gmail.com> <43f7ddf7-8280-458e-a768-0efd858d2760@email.android.com> Message-ID: <51623D0A.2050607@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 4:56 PM, Colin Leroy wrote: > Mark Filipak a écrit : >> On 2013/4/7 3:25 PM, Colin Leroy wrote: >>> On 07 April 2013 at 14h50, Mark Filipak wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>>> Downloaded again?... from a POP server?... How does this magic work? >>> >>> See attached image :) >>> >>> Sorry, couldn't resist. >> >> Well, at least the ridicule here is funny. > > The real reason was in my signature, but I didn't want to spoil the joke. Yes, I saw it. Not deleting the server copy until I knew everything was okay doesn't work. I have almost 50 Google Mail accounts. I have the Google end of each set up to delete the server copy on access. What you are proposing doesn't even qualify as a workaround. I would have to turn the Google auto-delete for each account off. Then, after I fetched my mail, I would then have to browse to each of the 50 accounts that had mail and manually delete the server copy. That would take me... probably an hour. As the day went on, my time would be totally occupied maintaining my Google accounts. -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From g_nikiforov at hotmail.com Mon Apr 8 06:41:59 2013 From: g_nikiforov at hotmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JPQtdC+0YDQs9C4INCd0LjQutC40YTQvtGA0L7Qsg==?=) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:41:59 +0900 Subject: [Users] cannot send mail with McAfee 8.8 installed Message-ID: Hello, I'm using Claws mail 3.8.1 on Windows 7 and everything was working fine. However I installed McAfee 8.8 and I stopped being able to send email. I guess McAfee is blocking the SMTP port. Does anyone know how I can put an exception, so that I can send email from claws mail? I have to accounts - one is a gmail account and using SMTP port 465 and another account which uses SMTP port 587. Thank you very much in advance, George -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Mon Apr 8 07:06:19 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 01:06:19 -0400 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <20130407223538.56a85fe1@net24.it> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> <20130407184615.20e0eac9@thewildbeast> <5161B6B0.7060802@gmail.com> <20130407192427.36a7beea@thewildbeast> <5161BB78.2050603@gmail.com> <20130407193616.54ce827d@thewildbeast> <20130407210726.689a4608@vienna> <5161C7E3.6070904@gmail.com> <20130407223538.56a85fe1@net24.it> Message-ID: <5162504B.3050309@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 4:35 PM, Salvatore De Paolis wrote: > Hi Mark, > > On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:24:19 -0400 > Mark Filipak wrote: > >> You guys have your noses pushed into tree trunks and can't see the forest. Oh >> well. I could help and I'm willing to contribute, but what I don't want is >> arguing. Argument is fine but blind opposition is not... I'm just getting too >> old for that. > > Agreed on that. That's only because in Europe is harder to find lophophora williamsii. Oh, my. You agree with me because you have seen Mescalito? Hahahahahaha... I used to free climb with Mescalito. What a world. > By the way if you don't feel like arguing don't do it. There are better things to do, for > example listening to, understanding, etc. .. ... .. Salvatore. I have tried and tried and tried to get Claws to work... And I really want it to work. I really, really do. Nothing seems to work. I create a new account and go to the where the folder is supposed to be and it's not there. I have a ton of xbox to convert. I have to have Claws in my Linux Mint guest and in my Windows XP host both installed and working with the two mail systems linked via a shared folder - a VMware share, not a network share. So lots of things can go wrong, and they are. I read and reread and reread the user guide. It doesn't help. I can use a tool I don't understand if it's reliable and well spelled out, but the user manual requires the user to 'understand' Claws and I don't - the Claws architecture makes no sense to me. It's a cipher to me. Now, my first computer was an IMSAI 8080 that I built from a kit while I was in engineering school in 1975. I've owned maybe 25 computers of increasing power from then on. In business I've used IBM 360s, PDP-11s, HP-3000s, Intergraphs, Suns, Macintoshes, PCs. A mix of CLI and GUI systems. Unix, CP/M, Novel, Solaris, MS-DOS, and MS-Windows. I've designed hardware for most of them. I've programmed in Java, C, VB, FORTRAN, Pascal, PL/1, Snobol, Forth, x86 assembly, 8051 assembly, 6502 assembly, 68x assembly. I've designed hardware using many and various GUI-based schematic editors and also VHDL and various other hardware description languages (but, oddly, not Verilog). I don't know what it is, but Linux gives me an incredible amount of trouble. Until recently, I'd never successfully installed a Linux system. I'd tried at various times over the last 15 years. It seems really odd to me considering that I had been a very early adopter of MINIX and successfully installed it and used for a while. I'm now running Mint in a VM with no problem, but I had to switch from VBox to VMware to get it to install. Before that I was seeking help with Debian from the Debian users group. I had so much trouble that I was accused of being a troll. It simply would not install. I got abuse instead of help. The best advice I got was to not use a virtual machine. They didn't seem to understand that I didn't care about Linux. I only cared about not using Windows on the Internet. Linux is just a means to the end of running web clients in something that wasn't Windows. My objective is a Windows host without networking and a Linux guest with networking so that I can have Internet access but without the possibility that Windows can pick up a virus - in 20 years I've had 2 rootkit viruses and I never want another. I have that combination working and now I'm looking for web client programs. I used to run Netscape and Eudora and Forte Agent, then Opera and Pegasus, then Firefox and TBird, but TBird is getting so flaky I have to give it up because mbox format is fragile and prone to corruption - my sig line in the Mozilla mailing list is The Insect Hall of Fame: Thunderbird Bug 121947 - 11 years and counting. That bug, to which I've contributed, is _the_ definitive mbox bug involving escaping (as a regexp) "^From: [^@]+@[.]+$". They don't even have that bug assigned to anyone. 11 years and scores of reports and they have no one assigned. If you go to the TBird forum you'll see that a large number of the mailbox corruptions are caused by their bad implementation of the mbox format. It's one of the major continuing discussion points. Well, I've lost my patience with TBird. I can't use Eudora or Pegasus because they're not cross-platform. So I'm stuck with either Claws or Evolution, and I understand that Evolution is like MS-Outlook so that's pretty much out. I'm going to slow down and record my experiences. My problems begin with the 1st-run wizard. I posted some of my problems and didn't get any comments. I'll try again tomorrow. Ciao - Mark. -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Mon Apr 8 07:25:12 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 01:25:12 -0400 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <20130407221358.27e64b76@pfortin.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> <515F81F5.2020409@gmail.com> <20130406132857.194366ee@wodan> <5161A88A.6070201@gmail.com> <20130407194218.3db62cdf@wodan> <5161B539.2070308@gmail.com> <20130407221358.27e64b76@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <516254B8.50600@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 10:13 PM, Pierre Fortin wrote: > On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 14:04:41 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: > >> Then why does it have 'box' at the end of its name? > > Better Qs: Why isn't: > - "Sent" -> "Outbox"? > - "drafts" -> "WIPbox"? > - "Queue" -> "MailCart"? > - "Trash" -> "CircularFile"? > > :) Too cryptic for me to understand. I have no idea what you are trying to say. > Granted... from an earlier message, you warned us (in your own words): >> Can you help me a little more? Remember I'm a Linux novice, but more >> importantly, I'm a hardware engineer (and you know how linearly-stupid > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> hardware engineers can be!). > > > Sheesh Mark, are we gonna be treated to constant "but why?" questions? > Respectfully, that's a pre-schooler's approach... The User's Guide has no explanations. For example, the menu items aren't documented - open the PDF and do some searching. Instead, the User's Guide expects the reader to 'understand' Claws. I don't 'understand' Claws. It isn't described in an understandable way, beginning with the terminology. I don't mean to sound harsh, but what I'm stating is the truth and is easily demonstrable. > Many of us have been CM users since its SC days (some since S days); and > are very happy with the work of all the developers, regardless of the > "names". Fine. You're part of a cozy little family. > > Unless you are here to provide patches, who cares that the ${ITEM}s are > not named perfectly in your opinion? Based on my explanation about 'understanding' Claws in order to understand the User's Guide, do you still feel that my complaints are trivial? > Inbox, In, Incoming, Received, > You_have_mail, Reed Basket(sic), whatever... C'mon! The most succinct > developer is Paul who's now responded more to you than he normally does > to the entire list. Who are you? Do you speak for Paul? He and the developers have a lot to gain from me. I'm willing to spend the time documenting my experiences but I'm not going to do that if I'm just going to be blown off. Perhaps they have the time and the independent money to allow them to work on free software but I don't. -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Mon Apr 8 07:29:56 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 01:29:56 -0400 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <20130407222631.3219a993@vienna> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> <20130407184615.20e0eac9@thewildbeast> <5161B6B0.7060802@gmail.com> <20130407192427.36a7beea@thewildbeast> <5161BB78.2050603@gmail.com> <20130407193616.54ce827d@thewildbeast> <20130407210726.689a4608@vienna> <5161C8E1.3000703@gmail.com> <20130407222631.3219a993@vienna> Message-ID: <516255D4.3000401@gmail.com> On 2013/4/7 4:26 PM, Inzli wrote: > Am Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:28:33 -0400 > schrieb Mark Filipak : > >> On 2013/4/7 3:07 PM, Inzli wrote: >>> This whole Q&A reminds me of the "discussions" with Mark in the >>> FreeBSD- and Debian-list :-/ >>> >>> So let's face it: Mark will only use CM, but not participate. >> >> Oh, while you were at your research, did you find where I was one of >> two computer architects at Intel? Did you find I was a computer >> architect at Altos Computers? Did you find I was the Wyse Technology >> representative on the EISA Engineering Task Force that wrote the EISA >> Specification >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Industry_Standard_Architecture). > > No. But I have these old posts from you in my ML-archive: > >> I've never successfully installed any distribution of Linux. I don't >> know why, but when I tried to read the documentation I gave up. The >> documentation was simultaneously dumb and obtuse and way too wordy. So >> I concluded that Linux is a hobbiest OS without much real-world use. > > or: > >> You know, Lisi, you're a real jerk. > > or: > >> What a nonsensical statement. I've never successfully installed any >> distribution of Linux. > [snipsnapsnup] >> The only result of my attempted installations has been >> cryptic error messages and non-bootable disks. I have asked for help >> over the period of 15 years and Linux-knuckleheads have offered none. >> All I've ever gotten is platitudes and "Windoze sucks!" > > And regarding filter rules: Mine were making sure that my Troll-folder > never gets emty. > > Since at least 2009, you use your "linux"-gmail-address, But although > your experience, you have never succeeded to install any Linux-distro. > > You've been trolling in other mailing lists since years, and, as far as > I see only in the lists I've subscribed, you are often called a troll: > > "Seems to me that Mark is simply a troll (certainly not a > "debian-user")" > > or: > > "There is no useful way to respond to such posters that used to be > called trolls ..." > > So there always have been people out there in the wilderness who tried > to help you and who will try to help you. From what I see and > remember, people involved in the community have spent hours and hours > to help you. When they asked you for specific error messages, you > sometimes insulted them. But if you continue this way, you have to face > that you'll be called a troll. > > Inzli You know what? You are the troll. -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From colin at colino.net Mon Apr 8 08:50:27 2013 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 08:50:27 +0200 Subject: [Users] Mail fetch question. In-Reply-To: <51623D0A.2050607@gmail.com> References: <5160EC9E.7060909@gmail.com> <20130407115847.431a9fd1@thewildbeast> <51619827.5080107@gmail.com> <20130407204726.3bcf64fb@mike> <5161C00A.1050507@gmail.com> <20130407212520.31088ef9@mike> <5161CA5A.6050001@gmail.com> <43f7ddf7-8280-458e-a768-0efd858d2760@email.android.com> <51623D0A.2050607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130408085027.3bacf486@mike> On 07 April 2013 at 23h44, Mark Filipak wrote: Hi, > Yes, I saw it. Not deleting the server copy until I knew everything > was okay doesn't work. Of course it does. > I have almost 50 Google Mail accounts. I have > the Google end of each set up to delete the server copy on access. > What you are proposing doesn't even qualify as a workaround. Even with GMail not respecting RFCs and deleting mails from the UIDL list without the client issuing a DELE, to go back to your original question, quote: >>> Neither. In between they are stored in a temp folder. >> >> That's inefficient. What happens if the app or computer crashes in >> the mean time? > > They usually get downloaded again and there can be duplicates. They just wouldn't be downloaded again, but the fetched copy in the temp dir -- which is *not* a system temp-dir, but a C-M one -- would be used and filtered to the correct mailbox. I'm starting to find your tone rather irritating, "that's inefficient", "that doesn't work",... and I suggest you start stepping off your high horse. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: not available URL: From colin at colino.net Mon Apr 8 09:01:23 2013 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 09:01:23 +0200 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <516254B8.50600@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> <515F81F5.2020409@gmail.com> <20130406132857.194366ee@wodan> <5161A88A.6070201@gmail.com> <20130407194218.3db62cdf@wodan> <5161B539.2070308@gmail.com> <20130407221358.27e64b76@pfortin.com> <516254B8.50600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130408090123.2614e2bc@mike> On 08 April 2013 at 01h25, Mark Filipak wrote: Hi, > Paul? He and the developers have a lot to gain from me If you want to help, start by chaniging atitude and try to find a place in the project in a non-antagonistic manner. you're arriving there as if you were smarter and had better ideas than everybody else, and guess what, that usually doesn't work very well. I already have to deal with know-better smartasses at work, but I'm paid to take the abuse there. Here I'm not, I'm there for my own enjoyment of developing a fine piece of software, and I'm not tolerating any kind of painful N+1 wanabee - just team mates with good ideas *and* good communication. So if you want to help, just learn how the project and open-source in general works - hint : you adapt to the projects' ways, you fit in, you prove your worthiness; *not* the other way around. -- Colin Please forgive any typo, I'm typing one-handed for a few days -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: not available URL: From markfilipak.linux at gmail.com Mon Apr 8 09:30:49 2013 From: markfilipak.linux at gmail.com (Mark Filipak) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 03:30:49 -0400 Subject: [Users] Mail fetch question. In-Reply-To: <20130408085027.3bacf486@mike> References: <5160EC9E.7060909@gmail.com> <20130407115847.431a9fd1@thewildbeast> <51619827.5080107@gmail.com> <20130407204726.3bcf64fb@mike> <5161C00A.1050507@gmail.com> <20130407212520.31088ef9@mike> <5161CA5A.6050001@gmail.com> <43f7ddf7-8280-458e-a768-0efd858d2760@email.android.com> <51623D0A.2050607@gmail.com> <20130408085027.3bacf486@mike> Message-ID: <51627229.8070701@gmail.com> On 2013/4/8 2:50 AM, Colin Leroy wrote: > On 07 April 2013 at 23h44, Mark Filipak wrote: > > Hi, > >> Yes, I saw it. Not deleting the server copy until I knew everything >> was okay doesn't work. > > Of course it does. > >> I have almost 50 Google Mail accounts. I have >> the Google end of each set up to delete the server copy on access. >> What you are proposing doesn't even qualify as a workaround. > > Even with GMail not respecting RFCs and deleting > mails from the UIDL list without the client issuing a DELE, to go back > to your original question, quote: I'm sorry if I'm not making myself clearly understood. I do not use IMAP. I use POP. I have google mail configured to delete its copy when I do a fetch. If I don't have google delete it's copy, I have to log into each of up to 50 accounts and do that manually. That doesn't work for me. All I was doing was suggesting that, instead of storing in temp, emails be delivered to Inbox. That of course might imply that filters be run against everything in Inbox, but to avoid that, scoreboard the files as they come in. That's more efficient as some of the mail will stay in Inbox and will not need to be moved and it's also safer because even if the machine crashes, no mail is lost. Scoreboarding is a very effective way to doing the job. What's wrong with making suggestions? Aren't they welcome here? >>>> Neither. In between they are stored in a temp folder. >>> >>> That's inefficient. What happens if the app or computer crashes in >>> the mean time? >> >> They usually get downloaded again and there can be duplicates. > > They just wouldn't be downloaded again, but the fetched copy in the > temp dir -- which is *not* a system temp-dir, but a C-M one -- would > be used and filtered to the correct mailbox. Oh. Not a system temp. That does make a difference of course. Don't criticize me for not knowing that. > I'm starting to find your tone rather irritating, "that's inefficient", Scoreboarding *is* more efficient. > "that doesn't work",... I wrote "Not deleting the server copy until I knew everything was okay doesn't work". Why are you trying to distort what I wrote? > and I suggest you start stepping off your high > horse. > Claws-Mail exists and works since more than ten years, has at least a > few thousand users, and I believe that if it didn't work, we'd be aware > of it by now. I've spent a lot of time testing your software and writing of my experiences and ideas but it looks like it was time wasted. I'll just go elsewhere. Ciao - Mark. -- VMware Player 5.0.2 Host: WinXP3, 32-bit Guest: Linux Mint 14, 64-bit + Xfce 4.10 From colin at colino.net Mon Apr 8 09:39:58 2013 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 09:39:58 +0200 Subject: [Users] Mail fetch question. In-Reply-To: <51627229.8070701@gmail.com> References: <5160EC9E.7060909@gmail.com> <20130407115847.431a9fd1@thewildbeast> <51619827.5080107@gmail.com> <20130407204726.3bcf64fb@mike> <5161C00A.1050507@gmail.com> <20130407212520.31088ef9@mike> <5161CA5A.6050001@gmail.com> <43f7ddf7-8280-458e-a768-0efd858d2760@email.android.com> <51623D0A.2050607@gmail.com> <20130408085027.3bacf486@mike> <51627229.8070701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130408093958.1155a689@mike> On 08 April 2013 at 03h30, Mark Filipak wrote: Hi, > On 2013/4/8 2:50 AM, Colin Leroy wrote: > > On 07 April 2013 at 23h44, Mark Filipak wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > >> Yes, I saw it. Not deleting the server copy until I knew everything > >> was okay doesn't work. > > > > Of course it does. > > > >> I have almost 50 Google Mail accounts. I have > >> the Google end of each set up to delete the server copy on access. > >> What you are proposing doesn't even qualify as a workaround. > > > > Even with GMail not respecting RFCs and deleting > > mails from the UIDL list without the client issuing a DELE, to go > > back to your original question, quote: > > I'm sorry if I'm not making myself clearly understood. I do not use > IMAP. I use POP. I'm speaking POP3 there. -- Colin Please forgive any typo, I'm typing one-handed for a few days -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 190 bytes Desc: not available URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Apr 8 10:06:17 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 08:06:17 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2755] Actual Vs displayed selection inconsistency in New Folder while moving mails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2755 Abhay S. Kushwaha changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|WORKSFORME |--- --- Comment #1 from Abhay S. Kushwaha --- Paul, it probably works for you in the sense that the email is moved. However, it moves to "folder 2" and not "subfolder c" as would be expected. That is the bug. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Apr 8 10:52:27 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 08:52:27 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2755] Actual Vs displayed selection inconsistency in New Folder while moving mails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2755 --- Comment #2 from Paul --- No, it works for me in the sense that the mail is moved to "subfolder c" as expected. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From jerry at seibercom.net Mon Apr 8 13:33:59 2013 From: jerry at seibercom.net (Jerry) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 07:33:59 -0400 Subject: [Users] cannot send mail with McAfee 8.8 installed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130408073359.057cdcc6@scorpio> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:41:59 +0900 Георги Никифоров articulated: > I'm using Claws mail 3.8.1 on Windows 7 and everything was working > fine. However I installed McAfee 8.8 and I stopped being able to send > email. I guess McAfee is blocking the SMTP port. Does anyone know how > I can put an exception, so that I can send email from claws mail? > > I have to accounts - one is a gmail account and using SMTP port 465 > and another account which uses SMTP port 587. Please don't use HTML mail in a mail forum. It makes replying to a message harder than it has to be. Both GMail & Hotmail offer "plain text" options. Second, you need to list the version of McAfee you are using. Also, any pertinent log entries. Your question appears to have been answered on the McAfee community help forum. Please check this out: https://community.mcafee.com/community/home/ McAfee offers free support for a limited time period. I would strongly recommend that you take advantage of it since that is where you problem originates from and not claws-mail. By the way, do not use port 465. GMail works just fine with port 25 or 587. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From pf at pfortin.com Mon Apr 8 19:35:23 2013 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:35:23 -0400 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <5162504B.3050309@gmail.com> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> <20130407184615.20e0eac9@thewildbeast> <5161B6B0.7060802@gmail.com> <20130407192427.36a7beea@thewildbeast> <5161BB78.2050603@gmail.com> <20130407193616.54ce827d@thewildbeast> <20130407210726.689a4608@vienna> <5161C7E3.6070904@gmail.com> <20130407223538.56a85fe1@net24.it> <5162504B.3050309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130408133523.1a5199dd@pfortin.com> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 01:06:19 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: >My objective is a Windows host without networking and a Linux guest with >networking a.k.a. a Faraday cage enclosing a guest expecting to wirelessly communicate with the outside world... You really don't understand the basics, do you? From pf at pfortin.com Mon Apr 8 20:06:18 2013 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:06:18 -0400 Subject: [Users] Move #mh to shared folder. In-Reply-To: <516254B8.50600@gmail.com> References: <515DC520.30906@gmail.com> <20130405003348.00006f15@netsolutionsindia.com> <515DDE94.2030009@gmail.com> <20130405112947.34a41db2@thewildbeast> <515F11B5.1070500@gmail.com> <20130405212517.571445bd@thewildbeast> <515F446A.6040801@gmail.com> <20130406033609.75d1eae7@wodan> <515F81F5.2020409@gmail.com> <20130406132857.194366ee@wodan> <5161A88A.6070201@gmail.com> <20130407194218.3db62cdf@wodan> <5161B539.2070308@gmail.com> <20130407221358.27e64b76@pfortin.com> <516254B8.50600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130408140618.79b3da5b@pfortin.com> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 01:25:12 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: >Who are you? A long time (over 10 years) SC/CM user who has a nearly identical technical background to yours. My first "emails" were via virtual card readers on an IBM 360/67 VM host circa 1972; then, prototyped email to voice to phone line circa 1980, etc....... >Do you speak for Paul? I never speak "for" anyone else without a clearly outlined Power of Attorney. >He and the developers have a lot to gain from me. Colin (a developer) has already responded and I second his comments. >I'm willing to spend the time documenting my experiences Then, how about spending your time doing just that instead of what you've been doing so far? >but I'm not going to do that if I'm just going to be blown off. You haven't shown that you can "do that" yet... so you are not being "blown off" for non-existent contributions, rather for your attitude... From pf at pfortin.com Mon Apr 8 20:29:55 2013 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 14:29:55 -0400 Subject: [Users] Create filter/proc question. In-Reply-To: <5162504B.3050309@gmail.com> References: <5160EB85.3060502@gmail.com> <20130407115313.179584a1@thewildbeast> <516196B4.2080100@gmail.com> <20130407184615.20e0eac9@thewildbeast> <5161B6B0.7060802@gmail.com> <20130407192427.36a7beea@thewildbeast> <5161BB78.2050603@gmail.com> <20130407193616.54ce827d@thewildbeast> <20130407210726.689a4608@vienna> <5161C7E3.6070904@gmail.com> <20130407223538.56a85fe1@net24.it> <5162504B.3050309@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130408142955.2e0dd1a2@pfortin.com> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 01:06:19 -0400 Mark Filipak wrote: >I don't know what it is, but Linux gives me an incredible amount of >trouble. Since much free software seems to be giving you trouble, no guarantees; but maybe this will help: http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/ From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 9 15:30:32 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:30:32 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2905] New: Include the signature timestamp in the 'full signature information' Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2905 Bug ID: 2905 Summary: Include the signature timestamp in the 'full signature information' Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.9.0 Hardware: PC OS: FreeBSD Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Plugins Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: fk at fabiankeil.de Created attachment 1251 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1251&action=edit Patch to include the signature timestamp in the 'full signature information' The attached patch includes the time the signature was made in the "full signature information". It used the "Date format" configured for the summary which may not be ideal, however I dislike the RFC 822 date "gpg --verify" uses and didn't want to hard code my own preference. Local time is used to be consistent with the summary. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 9 15:35:13 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:35:13 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2905] Include the signature timestamp in the 'full signature information' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2905 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|Plugins |Plugins/Privacy -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 9 17:36:19 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:36:19 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2495] Return receipts are always sent from default account In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2495 Michał G changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mgorny at gentoo.org --- Comment #1 from Michał G --- I can confirm that this is still an issue. I've just received two mails requesting return receipts, one addressed exactly to the mail address of the account, the other to an alias. For both, claws-mail reports: This message is asking for a return receipt notification but according to its 'To:' and 'CC:' headers it was not officially addressed to you. It is advised to not to send the return receipt. However, I have no idea why is that since 'Delivered-To' and 'To' match exactly. It may be because the GMail account is named 'foo at domain@imap.gmail.com' for some reason. When I click 'Send receipt', claws-mail tries to add the message to the queue of my default account (not the one that message was received). Since it's IMAP, if claws is in offline mode, nothing actually happens (no asking for switching to online, no errors, nothing). if claws is in online mode, the message is added to the 'Queue' of the default account. If I then quickly switch to offline, I can see it there. I pasted it verbatim at the end of the comment. Curious enough, it seems that the message has been sent already. Also, it seems that switching the active account using the list at the bottom doesn't help it... -- F: NF:0 PS:10 SRH:1 SFN: DSR: MID: CFG: PT:0 S:mgorny at gentoo.org RQ: SSV:dev.gentoo.org SSH: R: SCF:#imap/mgorny at gentoo.org/Sent X-Claws-End-Special-Headers: 1 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 17:28:17 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= To: graaff at gentoo.org Subject: Disposition notification: Test request receipt Message-ID: <20130409172817.4198ecbb at pomiocik.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=disposition-notification; boundary="DN_/mk1zCT=QoxKziR=MXffJMag" --DN_/mk1zCT=QoxKziR=MXffJMag Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The message sent on: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 17:17:49 +0200 To: spambox at mgorny.alt.pl With subject: "Test request receipt" has been displayed at Tue, 9 Apr 2013 17:28:17 +0200. There is no guarantee that the message has been read or understood. --DN_/mk1zCT=QoxKziR=MXffJMag Content-Type: message/disposition-notification Reporting-UA: Claws Mail 3.9.0 Original-Recipient: rfc822;spambox at mgorny.alt.pl Final-Recipient: rfc822;mgorny at gentoo.org Original-Message-ID: <1365520669.9669.1.camel at localhost> Disposition: manual-action/MDN-sent-manually; displayed --DN_/mk1zCT=QoxKziR=MXffJMag Content-Type: application/octet-stream Reporting-UA: Claws Mail 3.9.0 Original-Recipient: rfc822;spambox at mgorny.alt.pl Final-Recipient: rfc822;mgorny at gentoo.org Original-Message-ID: <1365520669.9669.1.camel at localhost> Disposition: manual-action/MDN-sent-manually; displayed --DN_/mk1zCT=QoxKziR=MXffJMag-- -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Apr 9 19:11:21 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 17:11:21 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2495] Return receipts are always sent from default account In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2495 --- Comment #2 from Michał G --- Ok, it was my fault. The reason for this is that the 'e-mail address' in account preferences was other than the one that the mail was sent to. No fun for us alias-users. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From kshcygsrch at snkmail.com Tue Apr 9 21:25:06 2013 From: kshcygsrch at snkmail.com (Hugh H.) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:25:06 -0400 Subject: [Users] Can't write file In-Reply-To: <20130406135757.79dec126@pfortin.com> References: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> <20130406104757.301177e0@PBL20> <20130406135757.79dec126@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20130409152506.2870963c@PBL20> Plenty of inodes: > hugh at PBL20:~$ df -i $HOME > Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on > /dev/sda1 45268992 781778 44487214 2% / > hugh at PBL20:~$ At or about 13:57 on Sat, 06 Apr 2013 "Pierre Fortin is alleged to have written: > >Owen had a good suggestion... did you check the UID/GIDs? i.e., any >chance you created the failing users on the new system in a different >order than the old one, thus resulting in different UID/GID? Been there, >done that... :) > >_______________________________________________ >Users mailing list >Users at lists.claws-mail.org >http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users -- Hugh H. e-mail: kshcygsrch at snkmail.com Somewhere in the USA http://www.cynic.org The present opportunities are not to be neglected; they rarely visit us twice. -- François Voltaire From kshcygsrch at snkmail.com Tue Apr 9 21:31:23 2013 From: kshcygsrch at snkmail.com (Hugh H.) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:31:23 -0400 Subject: [Users] Can't write file In-Reply-To: <20130406112145.0a777aeb@linux-z4hf.site> References: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> <20130406125817.05c69c61@mike> <20130406104837.0eb36cfe@PBL20> <20130406112145.0a777aeb@linux-z4hf.site> Message-ID: <20130409153123.224d638f@PBL20> Hi Carl, I'm loath to attempt this, as it seems to me I run the risk of winding up with two sets of mail directories, neither of which will necessarily have all the messages that belong to a given account. I might rather go back to Thunderbird, which at least has the advantage of being something I know much better. Hugh At or about 11:21 on Sat, 06 Apr 2013 "Carl E. Hartung is alleged to have written: > >Hi Hugh, > >I apologize in advance if you've already tried this: > >- create a new Linux user >- log in as that new user (creates a 'pristine' default workspace) >- launch Claws Mail and exercise it enough to confirm it functions okay >- if it works okay, inspect & compare what it has written, where, > against the 'problem' workspace > >hth & regards, > >Carl >_______________________________________________ >Users mailing list >Users at lists.claws-mail.org >http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users -- Hugh H. e-mail: kshcygsrch at snkmail.com Somewhere in the USA http://www.cynic.org hand, n.: a singular instrument worn at the end of a human arm and commonly thrust into somebody's pocket. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" From kshcygsrch at snkmail.com Tue Apr 9 21:44:32 2013 From: kshcygsrch at snkmail.com (Hugh H.) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:44:32 -0400 Subject: [Users] Can't write file In-Reply-To: <20130406135757.79dec126@pfortin.com> References: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> <20130406104757.301177e0@PBL20> <20130406135757.79dec126@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20130409154432.0a7fdeab@PBL20> For some reason, I thought I had posted the results of tests I had run on permissions, users, groups, uids and gids, but obviously those results didn't make it to the list. So here they are again: > hugh at PBL20:~$ find \ > $ -type f ! -perm 0644 -o -type d ! -perm 0755 $ -exec ls -lAF {} \; > hugh at PBL20:~$ find \ > $ ! -user hugh -o ! -group hugh $ -exec ls -lAF {} \; > hugh at PBL20:~$ find \ > $ ! -uid 1000 -o ! -gid 1000 $ -exec ls -lAF {} \; > hugh at PBL20:~$ This tells me that none of these things are the problem. Hugh At or about 13:57 on Sat, 06 Apr 2013 "Pierre Fortin is alleged to have written: >Owen had a good suggestion... did you check the UID/GIDs? i.e., any >chance you created the failing users on the new system in a different >order than the old one, thus resulting in different UID/GID? Been there, >done that... :) > >_______________________________________________ >Users mailing list >Users at lists.claws-mail.org >http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users -- Hugh H. e-mail: kshcygsrch at snkmail.com Somewhere in the USA http://www.cynic.org Oh, would that my mind could let fall its dead ideas, as the tree does its withered leaves! -- André Gide From pf at pfortin.com Wed Apr 10 00:53:28 2013 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:53:28 -0400 Subject: [Users] Can't write file In-Reply-To: <20130409154432.0a7fdeab@PBL20> References: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> <20130406104757.301177e0@PBL20> <20130406135757.79dec126@pfortin.com> <20130409154432.0a7fdeab@PBL20> Message-ID: <20130409185328.7b1dc749@pfortin.com> On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:44:32 -0400 Hugh H. wrote: >This tells me that none of these things are the problem. There is another subtle possibility... "ls -ld " If the "x" permission is not set, you can't write into it. HTH. From kshcygsrch at snkmail.com Wed Apr 10 03:38:33 2013 From: kshcygsrch at snkmail.com (Hugh H.) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 21:38:33 -0400 Subject: [Users] Can't write file In-Reply-To: <20130409185328.7b1dc749@pfortin.com> References: <20130405170004.14bb0965@PBL20> <20130406104757.301177e0@PBL20> <20130406135757.79dec126@pfortin.com> <20130409154432.0a7fdeab@PBL20> <20130409185328.7b1dc749@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20130409213833.12fcab68@PBL20> Thanks, Pierre. Since I wrote, I had realized that and checked it as well. I have solved my problem. It turns out to have an ownership problem, just not in any of the mail directories. A number of files/directories in $HOME/.claws-mail/ were owned by root rather than by me. After I changed ownership back to me, everything worked fine. The origin of the problem is the persistence of mintbackup (v 2.0.7) in trying to restore backed-up files to root rather than the actual owner. It took me two tries to get mintbackup to restore my files to my user and I guess I missed some items. Thanks to everyone who contributed to helping me solve this problem. Hugh At or about 18:53 on Tue, 09 Apr 2013 "Pierre Fortin is alleged to have written: >On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 15:44:32 -0400 Hugh H. wrote: > >>This tells me that none of these things are the problem. > >There is another subtle possibility... "ls -ld " > >If the "x" permission is not set, you can't write into it. > >HTH. > >_______________________________________________ >Users mailing list >Users at lists.claws-mail.org >http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users -- Hugh H. e-mail: kshcygsrch at snkmail.com Somewhere in the USA http://www.cynic.org Variables won't. Constants aren't. -- Brian Clapper From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Apr 6 02:32:57 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 00:32:57 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2903] key 'C' mention harcoded in string In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2903 --- Comment #1 from users at lists.claws-mail.org --- Changes related to this bug have been committed. Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly. You can also get the patch from: http://git.claws-mail.org/ http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb4a06aafd414b25b88d74f9a659dd397a28e3f0 Author: Colin Leroy Date: Wed Apr 10 22:40:07 2013 +0200 Fib bug #2903, "key 'C' mention harcoded in string" -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Apr 11 11:16:47 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:16:47 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2906] New: Claws mail freezes for a long time while scanning vCalendar/.meetings Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2906 Bug ID: 2906 Summary: Claws mail freezes for a long time while scanning vCalendar/.meetings Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: major Priority: P3 Component: Plugins/vCalendar Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: zedr at zedr.com Hello. I've noticed that Claws Mail freezes for almost a minute when scanning the folder vCalendar/.meetings. This freeze is particularly annoying because the whole client is stuck until the process completes. I have very few calendar meetings logged, and I'm using quite a powerful computer (quad-core, 8 gigs) on Linux (Xubuntu). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Apr 11 17:46:25 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 15:46:25 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2906] Claws mail freezes for a long time while scanning vCalendar/.meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2906 Pierre Fortin changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |pf at pfortin.com --- Comment #1 from Pierre Fortin --- Any reason for not updating to 3.9.0? FYI, vCalendar takes under 2 seconds here to get a something-every-day list from Google Calendar. HTH -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Apr 11 18:06:39 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:06:39 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2906] Claws mail freezes for a long time while scanning vCalendar/.meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2906 --- Comment #2 from zedr --- Thanks for chiming in. 3.8.0 is the latest version available on Ubuntu. I'll try compiling from source or installing a .deb of 3.9.0 to see if I can replicate this problem. The excessive time might be due to a slow connection. Still, Claws should handle it gracefully, and not freeze the client until it finishes or gives up. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Apr 11 19:25:02 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:25:02 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2906] Claws mail freezes for a long time while scanning vCalendar/.meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2906 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE --- Comment #3 from Paul --- *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 2886 *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Apr 11 19:25:02 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:25:02 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2886] vCalendar plugin slows down loading of claws for up to a minute In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2886 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |zedr at zedr.com --- Comment #1 from Paul --- *** Bug 2906 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Apr 12 18:17:34 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:17:34 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2907] New: SIGTERM for cairo_surface_set_device_offset: status == CAIRO_STATUS_SUCCESS untrue Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2907 Bug ID: 2907 Summary: SIGTERM for cairo_surface_set_device_offset: status == CAIRO_STATUS_SUCCESS untrue Classification: Unclassified Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Hardware: PC OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI Assignee: users at lists.claws-mail.org Reporter: dev at diy-biogas.eu Created attachment 1252 --> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1252&action=edit trace for thread apply all bt Greetings, i got a laptop into my hands with ubuntu (natty) installed. upgraded via oneiric to precise and regularly when sending emails see a sigterm. mail persists in queue, no data loss thanks to claws. the problem obviously is related to outdated libs, so maybe some versions need to be set for packaging in precise? this is what i see: send_message.c:364:send_message_smtp(): begin event loop ssl.c:216:waiting for SSL_connect thread... ssl.c:234:SSL_connect thread returned 0 ssl_certificate.c:383:got /home/kardan/.claws-mail/certs/ne...net.465.cert first try ssl_certificate.c:233:got cert! 0xa70f9f0 ssl_certificate.c:393:got cert 0xa7115a0 session.c:184:session (0xa3995b8): connected [17:40:56] SMTP< 220 netzguerilla.net ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) [17:40:56] ESMTP> EHLO universum claws-mail: /build/buildd/cairo-1.10.2/src/cairo-surface.c:1287: cairo_surface_set_device_offset: Zusicherung »status == CAIRO_STATUS_SUCCESS« nicht erfüllt. Abgebrochen (Speicherabzug geschrieben) ii claws-mail 3.8.0-1ubuntu1 ii libcairo2 1.10.2-6.1ubuntu3 it is absolutely reproduceable every time i send a mail. please tell me if you need more info, will keep the install untouched for so long. thanks. all the best, kardan -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Apr 12 19:17:57 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:17:57 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2907] SIGTERM for cairo_surface_set_device_offset: status == CAIRO_STATUS_SUCCESS untrue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2907 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE --- Comment #1 from Paul --- looks very much the same as bug #2656 *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 2656 *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Apr 12 19:17:57 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:17:57 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2656] crash: claws-mail assert failure when using SSL or STARTTLS with SMTP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2656 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |dev at diy-biogas.eu --- Comment #6 from Paul --- *** Bug 2907 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Apr 12 21:52:36 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 19:52:36 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2656] crash: claws-mail assert failure when using SSL or STARTTLS with SMTP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2656 --- Comment #7 from dev at diy-biogas.eu --- Ok, we have an interesting concidence here. So far I do not understand, why a gtk library causes a SEGFAULT when I send mails over an encrypted connection. are there any plans to fix this like catching the failing state? citing from the linked ticket: > The developers of the other software blame cairo, and the developer of cairo > blames the other software. That happens more than you'd think ;) But in this case, the particular error message and the resulting abort is due to the application (or a library it's using) calling cairo_surface_set_device_offset() when the cairo context is already in an error state. So unless it's a memory corruption or something similar in cairo, checking for the error state (or not causing it in the first place) is definitely something the application developers should look into. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From rsv869 at roadrunner.com Sat Apr 13 05:16:47 2013 From: rsv869 at roadrunner.com (reid) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:16:47 -0400 Subject: [Users] Usually stable CLAWs is completely GONE Message-ID: <1365823007.2411.3.camel@reid-mint> Honestly I have 0 idea what occurred. CLAWs was completely stable, chugging along at 4:30 EST.... I suspended the machine, came back later and restarted CLAWs, and all mail is gone, and the program thinks I want to install a fresh config. Any help would be welcome. Reid From slitt at troubleshooters.com Sat Apr 13 05:24:10 2013 From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:24:10 -0400 Subject: [Users] Usually stable CLAWs is completely GONE In-Reply-To: <1365823007.2411.3.camel@reid-mint> References: <1365823007.2411.3.camel@reid-mint> Message-ID: <20130412232410.41854cb0@mydesk> On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:16:47 -0400 reid wrote: > Honestly I have 0 idea what occurred. CLAWs was completely stable, > chugging along at 4:30 EST.... I suspended the machine, came back > later and restarted CLAWs, and all mail is gone, and the program > thinks I want to install a fresh config. > > Any help would be welcome. > > Reid One thing I know for sure is that your top priority and first responsibility is to rescue whatever you can. At this point you can't even be sure of the stability of your hard disk, so you should do whatever you do to recover data off a defective disk (I boot a Linux live CD and send the files out the network port, or possibly to a USB drive. If your disk truly is defective, ddrescue on System Rescue CD is a great resource. By the way, it makes a difference whether the mail was stored in an IMAP server or local to Claws. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Apr 13 06:18:46 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 05:18:46 +0100 Subject: [Users] Usually stable CLAWs is completely GONE In-Reply-To: <1365823007.2411.3.camel@reid-mint> References: <1365823007.2411.3.camel@reid-mint> Message-ID: <20130413051846.2dbf9ee5@thewildbeast> On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 23:16:47 -0400 reid wrote: > Honestly I have 0 idea what occurred. CLAWs was completely stable, > chugging along at 4:30 EST.... I suspended the machine, came back > later and restarted CLAWs, and all mail is gone, and the program > thinks I want to install a fresh config. How do you know all mail is gone if you're not able to start Claws? Probably it is still there. > Any help would be welcome. Probably this would work... Have a look in ~/.claws-mail for any files ending in .bak, then make a copy of each, removing the .bak suffix. e.g. `cp folderlist.xml.bak folderlist.xml`. Then restart Claws and hopefully all will be good again. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From chinatinte at gmx.ch Sat Apr 13 01:35:28 2013 From: chinatinte at gmx.ch (Inzli) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 01:35:28 +0200 Subject: [Users] CM or GTK-problem? Message-ID: <20130413013528.0fd9d535@vienna> Hi all, attached is a picture of how Claws-Mail looks like all couple of times. I'm not sure if this is a CM or a GTK-problem. Has anybody seen a similar behavior? The only "fix" until now is to restart CM. Any suggestions for another way how to treat it? Thanks Inzli -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cm.png Type: image/png Size: 249081 bytes Desc: not available URL: From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Apr 13 08:24:50 2013 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 07:24:50 +0100 Subject: [Users] CM or GTK-problem? In-Reply-To: <20130413013528.0fd9d535@vienna> References: <20130413013528.0fd9d535@vienna> Message-ID: <20130413072450.31051487@thewildbeast> On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 01:35:28 +0200 Inzli wrote: > attached is a picture of how Claws-Mail looks like all couple of > times. I'm not sure if this is a CM or a GTK-problem. > > Has anybody seen a similar behavior? > > The only "fix" until now is to restart CM. > > Any suggestions for another way how to treat it? What desktop is that? with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Apr 13 08:39:21 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 06:39:21 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2903] key 'C' mention harcoded in string In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2903 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Apr 13 08:56:06 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 06:56:06 -0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2879] Plain text mails treated as encrypted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2879 --- Comment #2 from users at lists.claws-mail.org --- Changes related to this bug have been committed. Please check latest Git and update the bug accordingly. You can also get the patch from: http://git.claws-mail.org/ http://git.claws-mail.org/?p=claws.git;a=commitdiff;h=86a989f286bc2ba952bf50a84615e43e42ccc535 Author: Paul Date: Sat Apr 13 07:54:52 2013 +0100 fix bug #2879, 'Plain text mails treated as encrypted' patch by Fabian Keil -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Apr 13 08:56:57 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 06:56:57 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2879] Plain text mails treated as encrypted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2879 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #3 from Paul --- thanks for the patch! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Apr 13 09:35:52 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 07:35:52 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2848] Add support for GnuTLS priority string In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2848 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #2 from Paul --- applied. thanks, Darko! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Apr 13 09:40:20 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 07:40:20 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2758] When trying to delete an account, Claws-Mail freezes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2758 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Apr 13 09:41:26 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 07:41:26 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2755] Actual Vs displayed selection inconsistency in New Folder while moving mails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2755 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Apr 13 09:45:55 2013 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 07:45:55 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2589] Crashed when viewing html mail from facebook (notification) In-Reply-To: References: