From afrotrap at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 05:36:58 2012
From: afrotrap at gmail.com (Ima Afrotrap)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:36:58 -0500
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
Message-ID: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>

Hi gang,

  Is it possible to have a small icon-sized picture in the upper-right corner
  of my sent e-mails?

  The reason I ask is that the 'Welcome to Claws Mail' e-mail that one first
  sees has such a thing and I'd like to be able to put/have my own little icon
  also, as kmail allows/has.

  Thanks for any answers to this.


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From claws-mail-users at dino.sk  Sun Jul  1 07:20:39 2012
From: claws-mail-users at dino.sk (Milan Obuch)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 07:20:39 +0200
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
Message-ID: <20120701072039.1ce34962@zeta.dino.sk>

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:36:58 -0500
Ima Afrotrap <afrotrap at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi gang,
> 
>   Is it possible to have a small icon-sized picture in the
> upper-right corner of my sent e-mails?
> 
>   The reason I ask is that the 'Welcome to Claws Mail' e-mail that
> one first sees has such a thing and I'd like to be able to put/have
> my own little icon also, as kmail allows/has.
> 
>   Thanks for any answers to this.
> 
> 

It looks like X-Face or Face header - look for it in source display
(CTRL+U or from menu View -> Message source). There are numerous ways
to create such header, use google to find some more info... then design
your veru own one.

Regards,
Milan


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul  1 09:16:29 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 08:16:29 +0100
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
Message-ID: <20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:36:58 -0500
Ima Afrotrap <afrotrap at gmail.com> wrote: 

>   Is it possible to have a small icon-sized picture in the
> upper-right corner of my sent e-mails?
> 
>   The reason I ask is that the 'Welcome to Claws Mail' e-mail that
> one first sees has such a thing and I'd like to be able to put/have
> my own little icon also, as kmail allows/has.

That's a Face header. Further information is in the Claws Mail FAQ:
http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Installation_and_Configuration#How_can_I_make_Claws_Mail_send_a_colour_Face_image_in_the_mails.3F

with regards

Paul


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul  1 11:47:19 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun,  1 Jul 2012 11:47:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2687] New: Unable to clean an mbox mailbox
Message-ID: <bug-2687-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2687

           Summary: Unable to clean an mbox mailbox
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Plugins/mailMBOX
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: pv4 at bk.ru


Created an attachment (id=1123)
 --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1123)
The fix

OVERVIEW:
If removing message(s) from an mbox mailbox causes it to have no messages after
the removal, then the removed messages return back to the mailbox after
claws-mail restart.

STEPS TO REPRODUCE:
0. use claws-mail-3.8.1, mailmbox-1.14.7, linux 3.4.2 (according to mmap
manpage, linux-2.6.12 and above are affected),
1. start claws-mail with mailmbox.so plugin enabled,
2. create an empty mbox mailbox, and a folder in it,
3. copy a message to the folder
4. restart claws-mail
5. enter the folder and delete the message
6. restart claws-mail
7. enter the folder

EXPECTED RESULT: folder is empty

ACTUAL RESULT: folder contains the removed message (and it's unread)

EXPLANATION:
When writing mbox file mmap(0, size, ...) is used with zero size (since there
are no messages in the box). mmap returns MAP_FAILED and
MAILBOX_ERROR_FILE error is returned (which I guess causes the newly
created file to not overwrite the old one).

FIX:
Don't call *map functions if size is zero. The loop between mmap and munmap
won't generate segmentation faults since there are no messages to write so we
can leave it as is.
This causes an empty file to be created and MAILMBOX_NO_ERROR is returned
so the new empty file overwrites the old one.

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From afrotrap at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 15:40:47 2012
From: afrotrap at gmail.com (Ima Afrotrap)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 08:40:47 -0500
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20120701084047.39ff8ee1@oogah>

On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 08:16:29 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:36:58 -0500
> Ima Afrotrap <afrotrap at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> >   Is it possible to have a small icon-sized picture in the
> > upper-right corner of my sent e-mails?
> > 
> >   The reason I ask is that the 'Welcome to Claws Mail' e-mail that
> > one first sees has such a thing and I'd like to be able to put/have
> > my own little icon also, as kmail allows/has.
> 
> That's a Face header. Further information is in the Claws Mail FAQ:
> http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Installation_and_Configuration#How_can_I_make_Claws_Mail_send_a_colour_Face_image_in_the_mails.3F
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
> 
> 

  Thanks to Paul and Milan. Hopefully I got it right, heh.


  John


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From CAE at eslrahc.com  Sun Jul  1 22:47:29 2012
From: CAE at eslrahc.com (Charles A Edwards)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 16:47:29 -0400
Subject: [Users] Issues with 3.8.1 cvs1 build
Message-ID: <20120701164729.7a9d00ee@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>

With cvs1 config.h is now no longer being installed.

In all previous release since Feb 2005
/*/include/claws-mail/config.h and 
/*/include/multiarch-x86_64-linux/claws-mail/config.h
(multiarch-utils is used)
were installed.

When building the extra plugins 
address_keeper, att_remover, attachwarner, bsfilter,
fetchinfo, gdata, geolocation, mailmbox, newmail, python
all fail with error
"configure.ac:28: error: required file 'pluginconfig.h.in' not found"


    Charles

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul  1 22:49:32 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 21:49:32 +0100
Subject: [Users] Issues with 3.8.1 cvs1 build
In-Reply-To: <20120701164729.7a9d00ee@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
References: <20120701164729.7a9d00ee@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
Message-ID: <20120701214932.06c65ac7@thewildbeast>

On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 16:47:29 -0400
Charles A Edwards <CAE at eslrahc.com> wrote: 

> When building the extra plugins 
> address_keeper, att_remover, attachwarner, bsfilter,
> fetchinfo, gdata, geolocation, mailmbox, newmail, python
> all fail with error
> "configure.ac:28: error: required file 'pluginconfig.h.in' not
> found"

You need latest CVS versions of these plugins too. Have you got those?

with regards

Paul


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From berndth at gmx.de  Sun Jul  1 22:59:22 2012
From: berndth at gmx.de (Holger Berndt)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 22:59:22 +0200
Subject: [Users] Migrating emails and emails folders from "Mozilla
 Thunderbird" to "Claws Mail"
In-Reply-To: <201206291550.29605.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
References: <20120627100406.00006726@unknown>
	<201206290938.07450.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<20120629194633.58a4a4c8@wodan>
	<201206291550.29605.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
Message-ID: <20120701225922.7ada2455@wodan>

On Fr, 29.06.2012 15:50, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:

>> While that's possible (since mbox is so badly specified that every
>> implementation tends to use its own flavour), I doubt it.
>
>Doubt all you want, I have sent the example off-list to Keith Chadwick as per 
>his request.

I got such an export, and in case somebody cares what the result was:
A KMail mbox file doesn't support subfolders either.

Holger


From renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org  Sun Jul  1 23:12:43 2012
From: renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org (Renaud (Ron) Olgiati)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 17:12:43 -0400
Subject: [Users] Migrating emails and emails folders from "Mozilla
	Thunderbird" to "Claws Mail"
In-Reply-To: <20120701225922.7ada2455@wodan>
References: <20120627100406.00006726@unknown>
	<201206291550.29605.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>
	<20120701225922.7ada2455@wodan>
Message-ID: <201207011712.43576.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org>

On Sunday 01 Jul 2012 16:59 my mailbox was graced by a message from Holger 
Berndt who wrote:
> >> While that's possible (since mbox is so badly specified that every
> >> implementation tends to use its own flavour), I doubt it.
> >
> >Doubt all you want, I have sent the example off-list to Keith Chadwick as
> >per  his request.
> 
> I got such an export, and in case somebody cares what the result was:
> A KMail mbox file doesn't support subfolders either.

Both Konqueror and Kmail, through File => Properties, tell me it is an ambox 
file; who am I to discuss the wisdom of KDE ? 
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
                      A good question is never answered.
                 It is not a bolt to be tightened into place
                but a seed to be planted and to bear more seed
              toward the hope of greening the landscape of idea.
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From CAE at eslrahc.com  Sun Jul  1 23:53:21 2012
From: CAE at eslrahc.com (Charles A Edwards)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 17:53:21 -0400
Subject: [Users] Issues with 3.8.1 cvs1 build
In-Reply-To: <20120701214932.06c65ac7@thewildbeast>
References: <20120701164729.7a9d00ee@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
	<20120701214932.06c65ac7@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20120701175321.44e50146@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>

On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 21:49:32 +0100
Paul wrote:

> > When building the extra plugins 
> > address_keeper, att_remover, attachwarner, bsfilter,
> > fetchinfo, gdata, geolocation, mailmbox, newmail, python
> > all fail with error
> > "configure.ac:28: error: required file 'pluginconfig.h.in' not
> > found"  
> 
> You need latest CVS versions of these plugins too. Have you got those?


Yes, but the reverse is true for me.

PACKAGE=address_keeper

dnl plugin version
MAJOR_VERSION=1
MINOR_VERSION=0
MICRO_VERSION=6
EXTRA_VERSION=1

+ cd ./address_keeper
+ ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib64
configure.ac:46: warning: LT_LANG was called before LT_INIT
/usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4:69: LT_INIT is expanded from...
/usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4:107: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL is expanded from...
configure.ac:46: the top level
libtoolize: putting auxiliary files in AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR, `config'.
libtoolize: copying file `config/ltmain.sh'
libtoolize: Consider adding `AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIR([m4])' to configure.ac
  and libtoolize: rerunning libtoolize, to keep the correct libtool
  macros in-tree. libtoolize: Consider adding `-I m4' to
  ACLOCAL_AMFLAGS in Makefile.am. configure.ac:46: warning: LT_LANG was
  called before LT_INIT aclocal.m4:1852: LT_INIT is expanded from...
aclocal.m4:1890: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL is expanded from...
configure.ac:46: the top level
configure.ac:46: warning: LT_LANG was called before LT_INIT
aclocal.m4:1852: LT_INIT is expanded from...
aclocal.m4:1890: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL is expanded from...
configure.ac:46: the top level
configure.ac:31: installing 'config/config.guess'
configure.ac:31: installing 'config/config.sub'
configure.ac:33: installing 'config/install-sh'
configure.ac:33: installing 'config/missing'
configure.ac:29: error: required file 'pluginconfig.h.in' not found
src/Makefile.am: installing 'config/depcomp'
error: Bad exit status from /home/charles/rpm/tmp/rpm-tmp.X4JFeO
(%build)


If instead I use the previous plugins_source where EXTRA_VERSION=0
all the plugins build with claws-mail-3.8.1cvs1

PACKAGE=address_keeper

dnl plugin version
MAJOR_VERSION=1
MINOR_VERSION=0
MICRO_VERSION=6
EXTRA_VERSION=0

+ cd ./address_keeper
+ ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib64
configure.ac:45: warning: LT_LANG was called before LT_INIT
/usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4:69: LT_INIT is expanded from...
/usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4:107: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL is expanded from...
configure.ac:45: the top level
libtoolize: putting auxiliary files in AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR, `config'.
libtoolize: copying file `config/ltmain.sh'
libtoolize: Consider adding `AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIR([m4])' to configure.ac
  and
libtoolize: rerunning libtoolize, to keep the correct libtool macros
  in-tree.
libtoolize: Consider adding `-I m4' to ACLOCAL_AMFLAGS in Makefile.am.
configure.ac:45: warning: LT_LANG was called before LT_INIT
aclocal.m4:1852: LT_INIT is expanded from...
aclocal.m4:1890: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL is expanded from...
configure.ac:45: the top level
configure.ac:45: warning: LT_LANG was called before LT_INIT
aclocal.m4:1852: LT_INIT is expanded from...
aclocal.m4:1890: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL is expanded from...
configure.ac:45: the top level
configure.ac:30: installing 'config/config.guess'
configure.ac:30: installing 'config/config.sub'
configure.ac:32: installing 'config/install-sh'
configure.ac:32: installing 'config/missing'
src/Makefile.am: installing 'config/depcomp'
configure.ac:45: warning: LT_LANG was called before LT_INIT
aclocal.m4:1852: LT_INIT is expanded from...
aclocal.m4:1890: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL is expanded from...
configure.ac:45: the top level
checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles...
  yes
checking build system type... x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
 (snip)



    Charles


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 00:57:05 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon,  2 Jul 2012 00:57:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2688] New: Downloads page mentions incorrect links for
 Debian backports
Message-ID: <bug-2688-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2688

           Summary: Downloads page mentions incorrect links for Debian
                    backports
           Product: Website
           Version: unspecified
          Platform: PC
               URL: http://www.claws-mail.org/downloads.php?section=downlo
                    ads
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: trivial
          Priority: P3
         Component: General
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: gusnan at gusnan.se


The Debian downloads mentions Official backported packages, and the link text
is backports.org -  the actual link is to a page on packages.debian.org, and
doesn't find any backported packages (it searches for such on Debian Lenny) -
You could probably make it a link to the search for the claws-mail package on
any Debian suite.
( http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=claws-mail )

Below there is a link is to the "instruction page" on backports.org which is a
404 now, correct page should probably be
http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/

Also, "using backports on Debian Lenny" is mentioned - You could mention "on
Debian Stable" instead, so you won't have to update it every time a new release
of Debian is out.

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From afrotrap at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 01:35:40 2012
From: afrotrap at gmail.com (Ima Afrotrap)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 18:35:40 -0500
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>

On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 08:16:29 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:36:58 -0500
> Ima Afrotrap <afrotrap at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> >   Is it possible to have a small icon-sized picture in the
> > upper-right corner of my sent e-mails?
> > 
> >   The reason I ask is that the 'Welcome to Claws Mail' e-mail that
> > one first sees has such a thing and I'd like to be able to put/have
> > my own little icon also, as kmail allows/has.
> 
> That's a Face header. Further information is in the Claws Mail FAQ:
> http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Installation_and_Configuration#How_can_I_make_Claws_Mail_send_a_colour_Face_image_in_the_mails.3F
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
> 
> 

  Thanks Milan and Paul. Hopefully I got it right and we'll see. I answered
  earlier but apparently the 'reply to list' isn't working or I have it set-up
  wrongly also.

  John


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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 07:53:50 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 06:53:50 +0100
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
Message-ID: <20120702065350.10ed86cf@thewildbeast>

On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 18:35:40 -0500
Ima Afrotrap <afrotrap at gmail.com> wrote: 

>   Thanks Milan and Paul. Hopefully I got it right and we'll see. I
> answered earlier but apparently the 'reply to list' isn't working
> or I have it set-up wrongly also.

I saw your earlier reply (no Face header, though).
You use gmail - you are probably witnessing one of gmail's <ahem>
'features', where your own mail to mailing list is hidden from you.

with regards

Paul


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 08:35:03 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon,  2 Jul 2012 08:35:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2688] Downloads page mentions incorrect links for
 Debian backports
In-Reply-To: <bug-2688-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2688-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120702063503.B5FD98540B@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2688


Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |FIXED




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From ricardo at mones.org  Mon Jul  2 10:35:10 2012
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:35:10 +0200
Subject: [Users] Issues with 3.8.1 cvs1 build
In-Reply-To: <20120701175321.44e50146@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
References: <20120701164729.7a9d00ee@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
	<20120701214932.06c65ac7@thewildbeast>
	<20120701175321.44e50146@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
Message-ID: <20120702083510.GD16536@trasgu>

On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 05:53:21PM -0400, Charles A Edwards wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 21:49:32 +0100
> Paul wrote:
> 
> > > When building the extra plugins 
> > > address_keeper, att_remover, attachwarner, bsfilter,
> > > fetchinfo, gdata, geolocation, mailmbox, newmail, python
> > > all fail with error
> > > "configure.ac:28: error: required file 'pluginconfig.h.in' not
> > > found"  
> > 
> > You need latest CVS versions of these plugins too. Have you got those?
> 
> 
> Yes, but the reverse is true for me.

  Try a make distclean and remove current generated configure, then
./autogen.sh again... or start from a fresh checkout :)

  regards,
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From CAE at eslrahc.com  Mon Jul  2 11:09:52 2012
From: CAE at eslrahc.com (Charles A Edwards)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 05:09:52 -0400
Subject: [Users] Issues with 3.8.1 cvs1 build
In-Reply-To: <20120702083510.GD16536@trasgu>
References: <20120701164729.7a9d00ee@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
	<20120701214932.06c65ac7@thewildbeast>
	<20120701175321.44e50146@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
	<20120702083510.GD16536@trasgu>
Message-ID: <20120702050952.1a4eaa0f@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:35:10 +0200
Ricardo Mones wrote:

> > > > When building the extra plugins 
> > > > address_keeper, att_remover, attachwarner, bsfilter,
> > > > fetchinfo, gdata, geolocation, mailmbox, newmail, python
> > > > all fail with error
> > > > "configure.ac:28: error: required file 'pluginconfig.h.in' not
> > > > found"    
> > > 
> > > You need latest CVS versions of these plugins too. Have you got
> > > those?  
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, but the reverse is true for me.  
> 
>   Try a make distclean and remove current generated configure, then
> ./autogen.sh again... or start from a fresh checkout 


The rpm build is/are being done from pristine checkouts.


    Charles

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From afrotrap at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 12:25:14 2012
From: afrotrap at gmail.com (Ima Afrotrap)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 05:25:14 -0500
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120702065350.10ed86cf@thewildbeast>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
	<20120702065350.10ed86cf@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20120702052514.0d2aff0a@oogah>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 06:53:50 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 18:35:40 -0500
> Ima Afrotrap <afrotrap at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> >   Thanks Milan and Paul. Hopefully I got it right and we'll see. I
> > answered earlier but apparently the 'reply to list' isn't working
> > or I have it set-up wrongly also.
> 
> I saw your earlier reply (no Face header, though).
> You use gmail - you are probably witnessing one of gmail's <ahem>
> 'features', where your own mail to mailing list is hidden from you.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
> 
> 

  Are you serious? Gmail actually does something that stupid? Unbelievable, and
  that's putting it into really nice words, for me doing so at least. This is
  the only list that that's happened to me. Really strange.

  Okay, thanks guys. Looks like I need to figure out why the face header thing
  isn't working and sign on with a different e-mail account of some kind.

  John


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 12:19:04 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon,  2 Jul 2012 12:19:04 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2689] New: segfault when trying to view info about
 pgp/smime sign
Message-ID: <bug-2689-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2689

           Summary: segfault when trying to view info about pgp/smime sign
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Plugins
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: puleglot at ya.ru


When I open any signed message (pgp or smime) and press "View full information"
button I get segfault. I hit this bug only if Claws Mail is compiled with
"-O2", no problems with "-O0".

OS: Gentoo Hardened (maybe this is relevant)

Trace:

$ LANG=C gdb /usr/bin/claws-mail ./Mail/local/admin-notify/cron/core
GNU gdb (Gentoo 7.3.1 p2) 7.3.1
Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.  Type "show copying"
and "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "x86_64-pc-linux-gnu".
For bug reporting instructions, please see:
<http://bugs.gentoo.org/>...
Reading symbols from /usr/bin/claws-mail...done.
[New LWP 2141]
[New LWP 2142]
[New LWP 2143]
[New LWP 2144]

warning: Can't read pathname for load map: Input/output error.
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
Core was generated by `claws-mail'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
#0  0x00006d9823d4bf12 in vfprintf () from /lib64/libc.so.6
(gdb) thread apply all bt

Thread 4 (Thread 0x6d9811b02700 (LWP 2144)):
#0  0x00006d9823dcd53b in poll () from /lib64/libc.so.6
#1  0x00006d982461cc7b in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#2  0x00006d982461d498 in g_main_loop_run () from /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x00006d98232fcf29 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgio-2.0.so.0
#4  0x00006d9824646af9 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#5  0x00006d9824d65b04 in start_thread () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#6  0x00006d9823dd55cd in clone () from /lib64/libc.so.6

Thread 3 (Thread 0x6d9813399700 (LWP 2143)):
#0  0x00006d9824d6995b in pthread_cond_timedwait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () from
/lib64/libpthread.so.0
#1  0x00006d98249037b9 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgthread-2.0.so.0
#2  0x00006d98245ed475 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x00006d98245edee2 in g_async_queue_timed_pop () from
/usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#4  0x00006d9824649101 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#5  0x00006d9824646af9 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#6  0x00006d9824d65b04 in start_thread () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#7  0x00006d9823dd55cd in clone () from /lib64/libc.so.6

Thread 2 (Thread 0x6d981bc99700 (LWP 2142)):
#0  0x00006d9824d695dc in pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 () from
/lib64/libpthread.so.0
#1  0x00006d98240b95e6 in mailsem_internal_wait () from
/usr/lib64/libetpan.so.16
#2  0x00000007af672159 in thread_run (data=0x7b1de4f70)
    at
/var/tmp/portage/mail-client/claws-mail-3.8.1/work/claws-mail-3.8.1/src/etpan/etpan-thread-manager.c:324
#3  0x00006d9824d65b04 in start_thread () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#4  0x00006d9823dd55cd in clone () from /lib64/libc.so.6

Thread 1 (Thread 0x6d981d39f8e0 (LWP 2141)):
#0  0x00006d9823d4bf12 in vfprintf () from /lib64/libc.so.6
#1  0x00006d9823de999c in __vasprintf_chk () from /lib64/libc.so.6
#2  0x00006d982466565b in g_vasprintf () from /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0x00006d982464253a in g_string_append_vprintf () from
/usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#4  0x00006d982464277b in g_string_append_printf () from
/usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#5  0x00006d980bbd9c73 in sgpgme_sigstat_info_full (ctx=0x7b232b910,
status=<optimized out>)
    at
/var/tmp/portage/mail-client/claws-mail-3.8.1/work/claws-mail-3.8.1/src/plugins/pgpcore/sgpgme.c:329
#6  0x00000007af5bae77 in privacy_mimeinfo_sig_info_full (mimeinfo=0x7b23cfce0)
    at
/var/tmp/portage/mail-client/claws-mail-3.8.1/work/claws-mail-3.8.1/src/privacy.c:277
#7  0x00000007af552d09 in display_full_info_cb (widget=<optimized out>,
user_data=0x7b1ce9320)
    at
/var/tmp/portage/mail-client/claws-mail-3.8.1/work/claws-mail-3.8.1/src/mimeview.c:1348
#8  0x00000007af5629d1 in noticeview_button_pressed (button=<optimized out>,
noticeview=<optimized out>)
    at
/var/tmp/portage/mail-client/claws-mail-3.8.1/work/claws-mail-3.8.1/src/noticeview.c:201
#9  noticeview_icon_pressed (noticeview=<optimized out>, widget=<optimized
out>, evt=<optimized out>)
    at
/var/tmp/portage/mail-client/claws-mail-3.8.1/work/claws-mail-3.8.1/src/noticeview.c:209
#10 noticeview_icon_pressed (widget=<optimized out>, evt=<optimized out>,
noticeview=<optimized out>)
    at
/var/tmp/portage/mail-client/claws-mail-3.8.1/work/claws-mail-3.8.1/src/noticeview.c:205
#11 0x00006d9826a5b4ec in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#12 0x00006d9824b181d2 in g_closure_invoke () from
/usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#13 0x00006d9824b2bbb8 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#14 0x00006d9824b34a4f in g_signal_emit_valist () from
/usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#15 0x00006d9824b34e3c in g_signal_emit () from /usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#16 0x00006d9826b8dabd in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#17 0x00006d9826a59687 in gtk_propagate_event () from
/usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#18 0x00006d9826a599fc in gtk_main_do_event () from
/usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#19 0x00006d98266ad78f in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0
#20 0x00006d982461c787 in g_main_context_dispatch () from
/usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
#21 0x00006d982461cef7 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0
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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Mon Jul  2 10:11:54 2012
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:11:54 +0100
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
Message-ID: <20120702091154.7cabf075@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 18:35:40 -0500
Ima Afrotrap <afrotrap at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Ima,

>  Thanks Milan and Paul. Hopefully I got it right and we'll see. I

At the risk of stating the obvious, it's not enough to create the
(X-)Face, you have to tell C-M to include it in your mails.  Either as
an explicit mention in the "Custom Headers" section of the account prefs
or by putting it/them in ~/.claws-mail/autofaces directory.

-- 
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         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
The stakes were high but the danger low
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From mir at miras.org  Mon Jul  2 12:24:23 2012
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:24:23 +0200
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120702052514.0d2aff0a@oogah>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
	<20120702065350.10ed86cf@thewildbeast>
	<20120702052514.0d2aff0a@oogah>
Message-ID: <20120702122423.74989489@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 05:25:14 -0500
Ima Afrotrap <afrotrap at gmail.com> wrote:

>   Okay, thanks guys. Looks like I need to figure out why the face header thing
>   isn't working and sign on with a different e-mail account of some kind.
> 
You are certain that you obey the rules for a face header?

Limits are:
Input format: 48x48 png
Output format: icon

And online utility is available here: http://www.dairiki.org/xface/

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Michael Rasmussen

Get my public GnuPG keys:
michael <at> rasmussen <dot> cc
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E
mir <at> datanom <dot> net
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C
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http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917
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From afrotrap at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 12:56:30 2012
From: afrotrap at gmail.com (Ima Afrotrap)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 05:56:30 -0500
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120702091154.7cabf075@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
	<20120702091154.7cabf075@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20120702055630.1b53886d@oogah>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:11:54 +0100
Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 18:35:40 -0500
> Ima Afrotrap <afrotrap at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Ima,
> 
> >  Thanks Milan and Paul. Hopefully I got it right and we'll see. I
> 
> At the risk of stating the obvious, it's not enough to create the
> (X-)Face, you have to tell C-M to include it in your mails.  Either as
> an explicit mention in the "Custom Headers" section of the account prefs
> or by putting it/them in ~/.claws-mail/autofaces directory.
> 

  Hi Brad,

  I think that was the fix. What happened was, by using 'pref's for current
  account', one tends to forget if that is the *default*, it won't be put into
  any other accounts. My 'default' is not this gmail account, even though it
  said it was making the 'face' header for this gmail account.

  Oh well.

  Thanks everyone!


  John



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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Mon Jul  2 12:33:24 2012
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:33:24 +0100
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120702052514.0d2aff0a@oogah>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
	<20120702065350.10ed86cf@thewildbeast>
	<20120702052514.0d2aff0a@oogah>
Message-ID: <20120702113324.6a07cedb@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 05:25:14 -0500
Ima Afrotrap <afrotrap at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Ima,

>  Are you serious? Gmail actually does something that stupid?

It's well-known.  It has been that way for many years.

> doing so at least. This is the only list that that's happened to me.

Are you sure?

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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Mon Jul  2 12:57:10 2012
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:57:10 +0100
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120702055630.1b53886d@oogah>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
	<20120702091154.7cabf075@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
	<20120702055630.1b53886d@oogah>
Message-ID: <20120702115710.3c20e53e@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 05:56:30 -0500
Ima Afrotrap <afrotrap at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Ima,

>  I think that was the fix. What happened was, by using 'pref's for

I can confirm that the header made it here.

> current account', one tends to forget if that is the *default*, it
> won't be put into any other accounts. My 'default' is not this gmail
> account, even though it said it was making the 'face' header for this
> gmail account.

If you put it in the autofaces folder, it'll be used for all accounts.
If that's what you want, of course.

>  Thanks everyone!

YW.

-- 
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        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 13:00:29 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon,  2 Jul 2012 13:00:29 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2689] segfault when trying to view info about
	pgp/smime sign
In-Reply-To: <bug-2689-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2689-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120702110029.616FE8540B@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2689





--- Comment #1 from Ricardo Mones  2012-07-02 13:00:28 ---
I think this patch should fix it, could you try applying?

-----
diff --git a/src/plugins/pgpcore/sgpgme.c b/src/plugins/pgpcore/sgpgme.c
index 136b90f..348aa38 100644
--- a/src/plugins/pgpcore/sgpgme.c
+++ b/src/plugins/pgpcore/sgpgme.c
@@ -326,7 +326,7 @@ gchar *sgpgme_sigstat_info_full(gpgme_ctx_t ctx,
gpgme_verif
                                j++;
                                user = user->next;
                        }
-                       g_string_append_printf(siginfo,
+                       g_string_append(siginfo,
                                _("Primary key fingerprint:"));
                        const char* primary_fpr = NULL;
                        if (key && key->subkeys && key->subkeys->fpr)
-----

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From Okrason at okrason.dnsalias.net  Mon Jul  2 13:04:28 2012
From: Okrason at okrason.dnsalias.net (Okra Son)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 07:04:28 -0400
Subject: [Users] Issues with 3.8.1 cvs1 build
In-Reply-To: <20120701214932.06c65ac7@thewildbeast>
References: <20120701164729.7a9d00ee@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
	<20120701214932.06c65ac7@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20120702070428.25f0b8a6@okrason.dnsalias.net>

On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 21:49:32 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 16:47:29 -0400
> Charles A Edwards <CAE at eslrahc.com> wrote: 
> 
> > When building the extra plugins 
> > address_keeper, att_remover, attachwarner, bsfilter,
> > fetchinfo, gdata, geolocation, mailmbox, newmail, python
> > all fail with error
> > "configure.ac:28: error: required file 'pluginconfig.h.in' not
> > found"
> 
> You need latest CVS versions of these plugins too. Have you got those?
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
> 
>  . . . 

Hello Paul.

Built v. 3.8.1cvs1 on a Lucid AMD64 box without incident.

When I first tried to build the latest maildir-0.24.4cvs18 plugin, it
stopped building complaining about the missing "config.h" file.

I understand that the maildir plugin has been orphaned for a while.
However, perhaps a minimal config.h file should be available in order
to allow this plugin to build for those who still use it.

By the way, I copied the config.h from my v. 3.8.0 installation and the
maildir plugin finished compiling.

Thanks.

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From ricardo at mones.org  Mon Jul  2 13:18:07 2012
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:18:07 +0200
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120702122423.74989489@sleipner.datanom.net>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
	<20120702065350.10ed86cf@thewildbeast>
	<20120702052514.0d2aff0a@oogah>
	<20120702122423.74989489@sleipner.datanom.net>
Message-ID: <20120702111807.GE16536@trasgu>

On Mon, Jul 02, 2012 at 12:24:23PM +0200, Michael Rasmussen wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 05:25:14 -0500
> Ima Afrotrap <afrotrap at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >   Okay, thanks guys. Looks like I need to figure out why the face header thing
> >   isn't working and sign on with a different e-mail account of some kind.
> > 
> You are certain that you obey the rules for a face header?
> 
> Limits are:
> Input format: 48x48 png
> Output format: icon

  Beyond those specifications, there is the line lenght limit imposed by SMTP
over the final base64 encoded line.

  Unless image is very simple, often it's required to use a colour reduction
algorithm (like posterization) to keep encoded size below 990 characters, which
IIRC in practice means PNG image size around 700 bytes or so.

  regards,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  The three principal virtues of a programmer are Laziness, 
  Impatience, and Hubris.                                    man perl

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From afrotrap at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 13:33:43 2012
From: afrotrap at gmail.com (Ima Afrotrap)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 06:33:43 -0500
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120702113324.6a07cedb@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
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On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:33:24 +0100
Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 05:25:14 -0500
> Ima Afrotrap <afrotrap at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Ima,
> 
> >  Are you serious? Gmail actually does something that stupid?
> 
> It's well-known.  It has been that way for many years.

  Well known to people who've used a gmail account for *some* lists, perhaps,
  but not generally known to the world at large or I'd have heard about it
  since I do belong to quite a few lists, and am not computer illiterate.

> 
> > doing so at least. This is the only list that that's happened to me.
> 
> Are you sure?
> 

  You mean to say you don't think I know all the lists I belong to and which
  e-mail accounts I use? Of course I'm sure!


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From afrotrap at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 13:35:35 2012
From: afrotrap at gmail.com (Ima Afrotrap)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 06:35:35 -0500
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120702115710.3c20e53e@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
	<20120702091154.7cabf075@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
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	<20120702115710.3c20e53e@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20120702063535.58ca73ee@oogah>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:57:10 +0100
Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 05:56:30 -0500
> Ima Afrotrap <afrotrap at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Ima,
> 
> >  I think that was the fix. What happened was, by using 'pref's for
> 
> I can confirm that the header made it here.
> 
> > current account', one tends to forget if that is the *default*, it
> > won't be put into any other accounts. My 'default' is not this gmail
> > account, even though it said it was making the 'face' header for this
> > gmail account.
> 
> If you put it in the autofaces folder, it'll be used for all accounts.
> If that's what you want, of course.
> 
> >  Thanks everyone!
> 
> YW.
> 

  It was easier to just put it in the 'edit accounts' (all of them) prefs, but
  this is good to know too, just in case.


  John


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 13:52:18 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon,  2 Jul 2012 13:52:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2689] segfault when trying to view info about
	pgp/smime sign
In-Reply-To: <bug-2689-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2689-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120702115218.C412B8540B@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2689





--- Comment #2 from Alexander Tsoy  2012-07-02 13:52:18 ---
Yes! It seems that this patch fixed this issue.

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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Mon Jul  2 14:05:03 2012
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:05:03 +0100
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120702063343.7319b16a@oogah>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
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	<20120702065350.10ed86cf@thewildbeast>
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On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 06:33:43 -0500
Ima Afrotrap <afrotrap at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Ima,

>  Well known to people who've used a gmail account for *some* lists,
> perhaps, but not generally known to the world at large or I'd have

It's even in the gmail support documentation;
<http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=82454>.

>  You mean to say you don't think I know all the lists I belong to and
> which e-mail accounts I use? Of course I'm sure!

It's known that gmail doesn't echo stuff back to the sender that is
transmitted from that same gmail address and, as can be seen from the
cited document, other email addresses under certain circumstances.  What
I meant is, do those MLs where you are getting stuff via the gmail
account also use some sort of redirect from a different email account?

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        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
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From mir at miras.org  Mon Jul  2 15:05:12 2012
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 15:05:12 +0200
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120702130503.22c4f5d8@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
	<20120702065350.10ed86cf@thewildbeast>
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	<20120702130503.22c4f5d8@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20120702150512.1bcca66d@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:05:03 +0100
Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote:

> 
> It's known that gmail doesn't echo stuff back to the sender that is
> transmitted from that same gmail address and, as can be seen from the
> cited document, other email addresses under certain circumstances.  What
> I meant is, do those MLs where you are getting stuff via the gmail
> account also use some sort of redirect from a different email account?
> 
A common work-around:
Receive: list.foo.bar
Send: smtp.foo.bar and then add the header: Reply to: list.foo.bar

-- 
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Michael Rasmussen

Get my public GnuPG keys:
michael <at> rasmussen <dot> cc
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mir <at> datanom <dot> net
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From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Mon Jul  2 15:21:30 2012
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 14:21:30 +0100
Subject: [Users] Issues with 3.8.1 cvs1 build
In-Reply-To: <20120701214932.06c65ac7@thewildbeast>
References: <20120701164729.7a9d00ee@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
	<20120701214932.06c65ac7@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20120702142130.74bf3da4@peterson.fenrir.org.uk>

On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 21:49:32 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> You need latest CVS versions of these plugins too.

Would it be possible for someone to update the various unsupported
plugins in the snapshots directory please?

I've added in a temporary link to a copy of config.h but it would be
nice not to need it.

-- 

Brian Morrison

                "I am not young enough to know everything"
                                                          Oscar Wilde


From mir at miras.org  Mon Jul  2 16:21:16 2012
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 16:21:16 +0200
Subject: [Users] Issues with 3.8.1 cvs1 build
In-Reply-To: <20120702142130.74bf3da4@peterson.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <20120701164729.7a9d00ee@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
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On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 14:21:30 +0100
Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

> 
> I've added in a temporary link to a copy of config.h but it would be
> nice not to need it.
> 
It is not that simple to simply add claws-mails config.h to the plugins
since they generate their own config.h as well.

-- 
Hilsen/Regards
Michael Rasmussen

Get my public GnuPG keys:
michael <at> rasmussen <dot> cc
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E
mir <at> datanom <dot> net
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C
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From insomniactoo at localnet.com  Mon Jul  2 17:02:06 2012
From: insomniactoo at localnet.com (insomniactoo at localnet.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:02:06 -0500
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120702130503.22c4f5d8@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
	<20120702065350.10ed86cf@thewildbeast>
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Message-ID: <20120702100206.57e84fb2@oogah>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:05:03 +0100
Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 06:33:43 -0500
> Ima Afrotrap <afrotrap at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Ima,
> 
> >  Well known to people who've used a gmail account for *some* lists,
> > perhaps, but not generally known to the world at large or I'd have
> 
> It's even in the gmail support documentation;
> <http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=82454>.

  But you see, I've had no need to read that, or any, documentation about it or
  about gmail in general, since it usually just works. Most people, in general,
  don't bother with documentation if something as simple as e-mail is supposed
  to 'just work' instead of doing silly and dumb things like gmail seems to do
  with some lists.

  Either way, I've made it a non-headache to worry about as I don't like to
  mess with something that can't keep to the KISS principle, heh.

> 
> >  You mean to say you don't think I know all the lists I belong to and
> > which e-mail accounts I use? Of course I'm sure!
> 
> It's known that gmail doesn't echo stuff back to the sender that is
> transmitted from that same gmail address and, as can be seen from the
> cited document, other email addresses under certain circumstances.  What
> I meant is, do those MLs where you are getting stuff via the gmail
> account also use some sort of redirect from a different email account?
> 

  I have no idea about that. All I know is that I'm on 9 other ML's and
  on 5 of those I use two gmail accounts (one being the afrotrap of course) and
  they show up so I can see them.

  John



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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Mon Jul  2 15:26:49 2012
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 14:26:49 +0100
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120702150512.1bcca66d@sleipner.datanom.net>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
	<20120702065350.10ed86cf@thewildbeast>
	<20120702052514.0d2aff0a@oogah>
	<20120702113324.6a07cedb@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
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On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 15:05:12 +0200
Michael Rasmussen <mir at miras.org> wrote:

Hello Michael,

>A common work-around:
>Receive: list.foo.bar
>Send: smtp.foo.bar and then add the header: Reply to: list.foo.bar

I know, but since Ima didn't know of the bug in gmail, how likely is it
that (s)he would be doing that on multiple lists?

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From mir at miras.org  Mon Jul  2 17:42:40 2012
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 17:42:40 +0200
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120702142649.754eb67f@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
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	<20120702065350.10ed86cf@thewildbeast>
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Message-ID: <20120702174240.68f63be0@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 14:26:49 +0100
Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote:

> 
> I know, but since Ima didn't know of the bug in gmail, how likely is it
> that (s)he would be doing that on multiple lists?
> 
This is not something the user can do. It is something the list owner
does to circumvent broken Google behavior.

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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Mon Jul  2 17:52:35 2012
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 16:52:35 +0100
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120702174240.68f63be0@sleipner.datanom.net>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
	<20120702065350.10ed86cf@thewildbeast>
	<20120702052514.0d2aff0a@oogah>
	<20120702113324.6a07cedb@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
	<20120702063343.7319b16a@oogah>
	<20120702130503.22c4f5d8@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
	<20120702150512.1bcca66d@sleipner.datanom.net>
	<20120702142649.754eb67f@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
	<20120702174240.68f63be0@sleipner.datanom.net>
Message-ID: <20120702165235.51a67a80@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 17:42:40 +0200
Michael Rasmussen <mir at miras.org> wrote:

Hello Michael,

>This is not something the user can do. It is something the list owner

D'oh!  Entirely possible then that Ima knows nothing of it then.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 21:32:40 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon,  2 Jul 2012 21:32:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2640] improve quoted-printable encoding
In-Reply-To: <bug-2640-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2640-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120702193241.1FF49854D3@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2640





--- Comment #8 from madroach+claws  2012-07-02 21:32:40 ---
Can be applied directly to 2.8.1. And probably to the current development tree,
too.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul  2 21:57:39 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon,  2 Jul 2012 21:57:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2640] improve quoted-printable encoding
In-Reply-To: <bug-2640-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2640-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120702195739.268EA854D3@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2640





--- Comment #9 from Michael Rasmussen  2012-07-02 21:57:38 ---
Ok. I will try it out then.

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From CAE at eslrahc.com  Tue Jul  3 02:51:26 2012
From: CAE at eslrahc.com (Charles A Edwards)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 20:51:26 -0400
Subject: [Users] Issues with 3.8.1 cvs1 build
In-Reply-To: <20120701164729.7a9d00ee@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
References: <20120701164729.7a9d00ee@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
Message-ID: <20120702205126.3ff06189@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>

On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 16:47:29 -0400
Charles A Edwards wrote:

> When building the extra plugins 
> address_keeper, att_remover, attachwarner, bsfilter,
> fetchinfo, gdata, geolocation, mailmbox, newmail, python
> all fail with error
> "configure.ac:28: error: required file 'pluginconfig.h.in' not found"
> 


It's the addition of

AC_CONFIG_HEADERS(config.h) 

to configure.ac that is causing the build issue with the affected
plugins.

It will break the build if automake-1.12.1
autoconf-2.69 are being used.


    Charles


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From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Tue Jul  3 03:22:59 2012
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 02:22:59 +0100
Subject: [Users] Issues with 3.8.1 cvs1 build
In-Reply-To: <20120702162116.60f04e4b@sleipner.datanom.net>
References: <20120701164729.7a9d00ee@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>
	<20120701214932.06c65ac7@thewildbeast>
	<20120702142130.74bf3da4@peterson.fenrir.org.uk>
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Message-ID: <20120703022259.0ef80a33@peterson.fenrir.org.uk>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 16:21:16 +0200
Michael Rasmussen <mir at miras.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 14:21:30 +0100
> Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I've added in a temporary link to a copy of config.h but it would be
> > nice not to need it.
> > 
> It is not that simple to simply add claws-mails config.h to the plugins
> since they generate their own config.h as well.
> 

Isn't that what has been done that has caused this current problem?
I've got new cvs plugins that build OK, but with 3.8.1cvs1 I have old
plugins that have not been revised that don't build unless I have a
copy of the old config.h linked into /usr/include/claws-mail.

What to do?

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                                                          Oscar Wilde


From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Tue Jul  3 03:25:09 2012
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 02:25:09 +0100
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120702100206.57e84fb2@oogah>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
	<20120702065350.10ed86cf@thewildbeast>
	<20120702052514.0d2aff0a@oogah>
	<20120702113324.6a07cedb@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
	<20120702063343.7319b16a@oogah>
	<20120702130503.22c4f5d8@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
	<20120702100206.57e84fb2@oogah>
Message-ID: <20120703022509.191e3bfb@peterson.fenrir.org.uk>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:02:06 -0500
<insomniactoo at localnet.com> wrote:

> But you see, I've had no need to read that, or any, documentation about it or
>   about gmail in general, since it usually just works. Most people, in general,
>   don't bother with documentation if something as simple as e-mail is supposed
>   to 'just work' instead of doing silly and dumb things like gmail seems to do
>   with some lists.

So really your problem lies with Google rather than with Claws. It's a
pity they can't follow the RFCs and expected behaviour.

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                "I am not young enough to know everything"
                                                          Oscar Wilde


From insomniactoo at localnet.com  Tue Jul  3 04:07:56 2012
From: insomniactoo at localnet.com (insomniactoo at localnet.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 21:07:56 -0500
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120703022509.191e3bfb@peterson.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
	<20120702065350.10ed86cf@thewildbeast>
	<20120702052514.0d2aff0a@oogah>
	<20120702113324.6a07cedb@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
	<20120702063343.7319b16a@oogah>
	<20120702130503.22c4f5d8@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
	<20120702100206.57e84fb2@oogah>
	<20120703022509.191e3bfb@peterson.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20120702210756.5b648e30@oogah>

On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 02:25:09 +0100
Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:02:06 -0500
> <insomniactoo at localnet.com> wrote:
> 
> > But you see, I've had no need to read that, or any, documentation about it
> > or about gmail in general, since it usually just works. Most people, in
> > general, don't bother with documentation if something as simple as e-mail
> > is supposed to 'just work' instead of doing silly and dumb things like
> > gmail seems to do with some lists.
> 
> So really your problem lies with Google rather than with Claws. It's a
> pity they can't follow the RFCs and expected behaviour.
> 

  Of course they can't follow the rules...M$ would get pissy and Google would
actually have to hire people that *think* outside the M$ pasture.

  The only thing I'd change about the instructions I got from the list, would
  be to use the 'edit accounts' instead of 'pref's for current account', that
  way something like adding an x-face would take place the moment 'apply'
  was hit, instead of having to piddle around with pref's for each account
  twice.

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul  3 07:38:48 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 06:38:48 +0100
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120702210756.5b648e30@oogah>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
	<20120702065350.10ed86cf@thewildbeast>
	<20120702052514.0d2aff0a@oogah>
	<20120702113324.6a07cedb@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
	<20120702063343.7319b16a@oogah>
	<20120702130503.22c4f5d8@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
	<20120702100206.57e84fb2@oogah>
	<20120703022509.191e3bfb@peterson.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20120702210756.5b648e30@oogah>
Message-ID: <20120703063848.2c26eaaa@thewildbeast>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 21:07:56 -0500
<insomniactoo at localnet.com> wrote: 

>   The only thing I'd change about the instructions I got from the
> list, would be to use the 'edit accounts' instead of 'pref's for
> current account', that way something like adding an x-face would
> take place the moment 'apply' was hit, instead of having to piddle
> around with pref's for each account twice.

Please feel free to update the information in the FAQ.

with regards

Paul


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From insomniactoo at localnet.com  Tue Jul  3 12:55:40 2012
From: insomniactoo at localnet.com (insomniactoo at localnet.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 05:55:40 -0500
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120703063848.2c26eaaa@thewildbeast>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
	<20120702065350.10ed86cf@thewildbeast>
	<20120702052514.0d2aff0a@oogah>
	<20120702113324.6a07cedb@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
	<20120702063343.7319b16a@oogah>
	<20120702130503.22c4f5d8@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
	<20120702100206.57e84fb2@oogah>
	<20120703022509.191e3bfb@peterson.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20120702210756.5b648e30@oogah>
	<20120703063848.2c26eaaa@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20120703055540.2212a82a@oogah>

On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 06:38:48 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 21:07:56 -0500
> <insomniactoo at localnet.com> wrote: 
> 
> >   The only thing I'd change about the instructions I got from the
> > list, would be to use the 'edit accounts' instead of 'pref's for
> > current account', that way something like adding an x-face would
> > take place the moment 'apply' was hit, instead of having to piddle
> > around with pref's for each account twice.
> 
> Please feel free to update the information in the FAQ.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
> 
> 

  Done! I'd forgot that it was a Wiki site and I could do that, heh.


  John


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul  3 17:27:42 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue,  3 Jul 2012 17:27:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2690] New: Bug with attachments against Roundcube
	Webmail/0.7.1
Message-ID: <bug-2690-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2690

           Summary: Bug with attachments against Roundcube Webmail/0.7.1
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.0
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: minor
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: khazarian at fastmail.in


Created an attachment (id=1124)
 --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1124)
Re: [Salix-main] ktsuss 2

Hello,

I have attached an email message which has a problem with version 3.8.0.

I can't see the following attachments of the message with Claws Mail.
    An advertisement of SF
    The Salix-main mailing list signature.

Double click (external application) works.

I do not know what the cause is, Mailman 2.1.9 or Roundcube
Webmail/0.7.1

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul  3 19:24:35 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue,  3 Jul 2012 19:24:35 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2640] improve quoted-printable encoding
In-Reply-To: <bug-2640-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2640-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120703172435.9EC7F853E0@mx.colino.net>

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--- Comment #10 from users  2012-07-03 19:24:34 ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest CVS and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://www.claws-mail.org/tracker/

2012-07-03 [mir]    3.8.1cvs2

    * src/messageview.c
    * src/procmime.c
    * src/common/quoted-printable.c
    * src/common/quoted-printable.h
        Patch fixes bug 2640.
        Patch provided by madroach claws at gmerlin dot de

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul  3 19:25:37 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue,  3 Jul 2012 19:25:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2640] improve quoted-printable encoding
In-Reply-To: <bug-2640-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2640-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #11 from Michael Rasmussen  2012-07-03 19:25:36 ---
Hi madroach,

I have applied your patch upstream. It patches and builds cleanly to/with CVS.
Thanks for your contribution.

Michael.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul  3 19:50:26 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue,  3 Jul 2012 19:50:26 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2690] Bug with attachments against Roundcube
	Webmail/0.7.1
In-Reply-To: <bug-2690-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2690-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120703175026.9227D853E0@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2690


Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Paul  2012-07-03 19:50:26 ---
works for me in 3.8.1

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul  3 20:05:49 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue,  3 Jul 2012 20:05:49 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2640] improve quoted-printable encoding
In-Reply-To: <bug-2640-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2640-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2640


Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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         Resolution|                            |FIXED




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From mm at edor.eu  Tue Jul  3 22:25:39 2012
From: mm at edor.eu (Uwe)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 22:25:39 +0200
Subject: [Users] carddav
Message-ID: <20120703222539.3fbbe3ff@gp>


Is there any solution to access a carddav server with the claws address
book?

I'm running the "owncloud" server to sync my phone an pc. But I haven't
found a way to access the data with claws mail.

It would be nice to see carddav support for the address book. 

best regards,
Uwe


From mir at miras.org  Tue Jul  3 22:48:03 2012
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 22:48:03 +0200
Subject: [Users] carddav
In-Reply-To: <20120703222539.3fbbe3ff@gp>
References: <20120703222539.3fbbe3ff@gp>
Message-ID: <20120703224803.744b1c69@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 22:25:39 +0200
Uwe <mm at edor.eu> wrote:

> 
> Is there any solution to access a carddav server with the claws address
> book?
> 
The new address book has built-in support for import and export of
vCard(s). So if your carddav server can export contacts as a file of
vCard objects you are set to go. Imports vCard 2.1 or 3.0 and exports
vCard 2.1.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul  3 23:32:33 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue,  3 Jul 2012 23:32:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2640] improve quoted-printable encoding
In-Reply-To: <bug-2640-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2640-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #12 from users  2012-07-03 23:32:32 ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest CVS and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://www.claws-mail.org/tracker/

        fix bug 2640, 'improve quoted-printable encoding'

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul  3 23:34:34 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue,  3 Jul 2012 23:34:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2641] 7bit or 8bit encoded attachments can have lines
 longer than 998 characters
In-Reply-To: <bug-2641-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #2 from users  2012-07-03 23:34:33 ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest CVS and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://www.claws-mail.org/tracker/

2012-07-03 [mir]    3.8.1cvs4

    * src/procmime.c
    * src/common/defs.h
            fix bug 2641, '7bit or 8bit encoded attachments can
            have lines longer than 998 characters'.
            Patch provided by Christopher Zimmermann
            (madroach claws at gmerlin dot de)


2012-07-03 [mir]    3.8.1cvs3

    * src/procmime.c
    * src/common/defs.h
        fix bug 2641, '7bit or 8bit encoded attachments can
        have lines longer than 998 characters'.
        Patch provided by Christopher Zimmermann
        (madroach claws at gmerlin dot de)

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul  3 23:35:57 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue,  3 Jul 2012 23:35:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2641] 7bit or 8bit encoded attachments can have lines
 longer than 998 characters
In-Reply-To: <bug-2641-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2641-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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Michael Rasmussen <mir at datanom.net> changed:

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         Resolution|                            |FIXED




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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul  4 00:43:36 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed,  4 Jul 2012 00:43:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2642] improve transfer encoding selection
In-Reply-To: <bug-2642-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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         Resolution|                            |FIXED




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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul  4 00:44:35 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed,  4 Jul 2012 00:44:35 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2642] improve transfer encoding selection
In-Reply-To: <bug-2642-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #1 from users  2012-07-04 00:44:34 ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest CVS and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://www.claws-mail.org/tracker/

2012-07-03 [mir]    3.8.1cvs5

    * src/procmime.c
        fix bug 2642, 'improve transfer encoding selection'.
        Patch provided by Christopher Zimmermann
        (madroach claws at gmerlin dot de)

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From frank at busse.oche.de  Wed Jul  4 09:25:49 2012
From: frank at busse.oche.de (Frank Busse)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 09:25:49 +0200
Subject: [Users] POP Mails written to local Nirvana?
Message-ID: <20120704092549.3bc60c4e@gamma.busse>

My local ./Mail folder is a symlink to a folder on an NFS mount. This morning, the server was temporarily unavailable during boot, resulting in the ./Mail folder being a "dead link".

However, after calling one of my POP providers, Claws read (and deleted) the current eMails from the server, writing them to... er yes, where exactly do you imagine, might Claws have written the eMails?

Until now, I have no idea. I just know that Claws did not complain about anything, during "writing".

Frank


From mir at miras.org  Wed Jul  4 09:56:50 2012
From: mir at miras.org (miras.org)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:56:50 +0200
Subject: [Users] =?utf-8?q?POP_Mails_written_to_local_Nirvana=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <20120704092549.3bc60c4e@gamma.busse>
References: <20120704092549.3bc60c4e@gamma.busse>
Message-ID: <a0936b1eab0a7a12631d4c49641be9f4@datanom.net>

Hi Frank,

On 07-04-2012 09:25, Frank Busse wrote:
> My local ./Mail folder is a symlink to a folder on an NFS mount. This
> morning, the server was temporarily unavailable during boot, 
> resulting
> in the ./Mail folder being a "dead link".
>
> However, after calling one of my POP providers, Claws read (and
> deleted) the current eMails from the server, writing them to... er
> yes, where exactly do you imagine, might Claws have written the
> eMails?
>
> Until now, I have no idea. I just know that Claws did not complain
> about anything, during "writing".
If you unmount the NFS share and the list the contents of the now 
unmounted share your emails will be available again.

The reason for this is that a mount to a folder name will shield the 
previous data in the file system.

Michael.


From mm at edor.eu  Wed Jul  4 10:15:39 2012
From: mm at edor.eu (Uwe)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 10:15:39 +0200
Subject: [Users] carddav
In-Reply-To: <20120703224803.744b1c69@sleipner.datanom.net>
References: <20120703222539.3fbbe3ff@gp>
	<20120703224803.744b1c69@sleipner.datanom.net>
Message-ID: <20120704101539.6767873b@gp>


On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 22:48:03 +0200
Michael Rasmussen <mir at miras.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 22:25:39 +0200
> Uwe <mm at edor.eu> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Is there any solution to access a carddav server with the claws
> > address book?
> > 
> The new address book has built-in support for import and export of
> vCard(s). So if your carddav server can export contacts as a file of
> vCard objects you are set to go. Imports vCard 2.1 or 3.0 and exports
> vCard 2.1.
> 

Is not really what I mean, but it could be a workaround. Not really
usable for two way synchronisation ;-)

But thank you, for your help!


best regards,
Uwe


From frank at busse.oche.de  Wed Jul  4 13:10:49 2012
From: frank at busse.oche.de (Frank Busse)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 13:10:49 +0200
Subject: [Users] POP Mails written to local Nirvana?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6.1341396002.22256.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
References: <mailman.6.1341396002.22256.users@lists.claws-mail.org>
Message-ID: <e4593d2303d57e801beace2eb3d83054.squirrel@service.im-serverschrank.de>

Michael:

Thanks for your reply. However, my ./Mail folder itself is not the
mountpoint, but a symbolic (cross file-system) link to a folder on the
share. Without the share being mounted, ./Mail is a "broken link",
pointing to no valid position.

Frank

Wed, 4.07.2012, 09:56 miras.org wrote:
> Hi Frank,
>
> If you unmount the NFS share and the list the contents of the now
> unmounted share your emails will be available again.
>
> The reason for this is that a mount to a folder name will shield the
> previous data in the file system.
>
> Michael.



From jerry at seibercom.net  Wed Jul  4 13:43:09 2012
From: jerry at seibercom.net (Jerry)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 07:43:09 -0400
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
In-Reply-To: <20120702210756.5b648e30@oogah>
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
	<20120701081629.213caed6@thewildbeast>
	<20120701183540.62065d65@oogah>
	<20120702065350.10ed86cf@thewildbeast>
	<20120702052514.0d2aff0a@oogah>
	<20120702113324.6a07cedb@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
	<20120702063343.7319b16a@oogah>
	<20120702130503.22c4f5d8@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
	<20120702100206.57e84fb2@oogah>
	<20120703022509.191e3bfb@peterson.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20120702210756.5b648e30@oogah>
Message-ID: <20120704074309.601faed5@scorpio>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 21:07:56 -0500
insomniactoo at localnet.com articulated:

> On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 02:25:09 +0100
> Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:02:06 -0500
> > <insomniactoo at localnet.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > But you see, I've had no need to read that, or any, documentation
> > > about it or about gmail in general, since it usually just works.
> > > Most people, in general, don't bother with documentation if
> > > something as simple as e-mail is supposed to 'just work' instead
> > > of doing silly and dumb things like gmail seems to do with some
> > > lists.
> > 
> > So really your problem lies with Google rather than with Claws.
> > It's a pity they can't follow the RFCs and expected behaviour.
> > 
>   Of course they can't follow the rules...M$ would get pissy and
> Google would actually have to hire people that *think* outside the M$
> pasture.

What the hell does this have to do with Microsoft? Microsoft's Hotmail
is as far as I can tell a lot more reliable then Google's GMail and it
doesn't lose(hide) your mail like GMail does.. The few times I have
actually tried GMail I have been seriously disappointed. I have several
friends who tried GMail for a short time and then ditched the service.
Besides, Google spies on your mail and doesn't allow certain formats
sent via its service. I'll stick to Hotmail for my own personal use any
day. Actually, I have heard that Yahoo has improves vastly in the past
few years; however, I don't have any personal knowledge of that.

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From freebsd-listen at fabiankeil.de  Wed Jul  4 13:57:35 2012
From: freebsd-listen at fabiankeil.de (Fabian Keil)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 13:57:35 +0200
Subject: [Users] POP Mails written to local Nirvana?
In-Reply-To: <20120704092549.3bc60c4e@gamma.busse>
References: <20120704092549.3bc60c4e@gamma.busse>
Message-ID: <20120704135735.66a79d35@fabiankeil.de>

Frank Busse <frank at busse.oche.de> wrote:

> My local ./Mail folder is a symlink to a folder on an NFS mount. This morning, the server was temporarily unavailable during boot, resulting in the ./Mail folder being a "dead link".
> 
> However, after calling one of my POP providers, Claws read (and deleted) the current eMails from the server, writing them to... er yes, where exactly do you imagine, might Claws have written the eMails?
> 
> Until now, I have no idea. I just know that Claws did not complain about anything, during "writing".

Did you rule out NFS issues already?

A popular NFS performance optimization (at the cost of reliability)
is to let the server treat synchronous operations like asynchronous
ones.

If the server is configured that way and was rebooting instead of
cold-booting this could explain the data loss.

Fabian
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From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Wed Jul  4 17:41:02 2012
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 16:41:02 +0100
Subject: [Users] Update to the Win32 version?
Message-ID: <20120704164102.000011b5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

Hi all, and especially Colin ;-)

Do you have any plans to release an updated Win32 version? If so, would
be appreciated.

Thanks!

-- 

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From colin at colino.net  Wed Jul  4 17:48:32 2012
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 17:48:32 +0200
Subject: [Users] Update to the Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20120704164102.000011b5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <20120704164102.000011b5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20120704174832.7b15527e@colin>

On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 16:41:02 +0100, Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk>
wrote:

> Hi all, and especially Colin ;-)
> 
> Do you have any plans to release an updated Win32 version? If so,
> would be appreciated.

Yep, but not before next week, where I'll have some free time!

-- 
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From subscript at free.fr  Wed Jul  4 17:49:38 2012
From: subscript at free.fr (wwp)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 17:49:38 +0200
Subject: [Users] Update to the Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20120704174832.7b15527e@colin>
References: <20120704164102.000011b5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20120704174832.7b15527e@colin>
Message-ID: <20120704174938.1d9114f9@monolith>

Hello Colin,


On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 17:48:32 +0200 Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 16:41:02 +0100, Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all, and especially Colin ;-)
> > 
> > Do you have any plans to release an updated Win32 version? If so,
> > would be appreciated.
> 
> Yep, but not before next week, where I'll have some free time!

Cool, thanks!


Regards,

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From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Wed Jul  4 17:52:51 2012
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 16:52:51 +0100
Subject: [Users] Update to the Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20120704174832.7b15527e@colin>
References: <20120704164102.000011b5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20120704174832.7b15527e@colin>
Message-ID: <20120704165251.000013d0@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 17:48:32 +0200
Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 16:41:02 +0100, Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all, and especially Colin ;-)
> > 
> > Do you have any plans to release an updated Win32 version? If so,
> > would be appreciated.
> 
> Yep, but not before next week, where I'll have some free time!
> 

OK, no problem. I'm not in any rush ;-)

-- 

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From reinhard.irmer at kabelmail.de  Wed Jul  4 20:07:42 2012
From: reinhard.irmer at kabelmail.de (Reinhard Irmer)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 20:07:42 +0200
Subject: [Users] Update to the Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20120704174832.7b15527e@colin>
References: <20120704164102.000011b5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20120704174832.7b15527e@colin>
Message-ID: <002101cd5a0f$eaba7570$c02f6050$@irmer@kabelmail.de>

Hi Colin,

you wrote on Mi, 4.Jul.2012 (17:48:32):
> On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 16:41:02 +0100, Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all, and especially Colin ;-)
>> 
>> Do you have any plans to release an updated Win32 version? If so,
>> would be appreciated.
> 
> Yep, but not before next week, where I'll have some free time!

With compface-support?

--
regards
Reinhard

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From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com  Wed Jul  4 21:04:13 2012
From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 00:34:13 +0530
Subject: [Users] Update to the Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <002101cd5a0f$eaba7570$c02f6050$@irmer@kabelmail.de>
References: <20120704164102.000011b5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20120704174832.7b15527e@colin>
	<002101cd5a0f$eaba7570$c02f6050$@irmer@kabelmail.de>
Message-ID: <20120705003413.00005b27@netsolutionsindia.com>

On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 20:07:42 +0200, Reinhard wrote:

> With compface-support?

It's had that since I can remember. :)



From colin at colino.net  Wed Jul  4 21:24:15 2012
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 21:24:15 +0200
Subject: [Users] Update to the Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20120705003413.00005b27@netsolutionsindia.com>
References: <20120704164102.000011b5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20120704174832.7b15527e@colin>
	<002101cd5a0f$eaba7570$c02f6050$@irmer@kabelmail.de>
	<20120705003413.00005b27@netsolutionsindia.com>
Message-ID: <20120704212415.74fdb376@marv>

On 05 July 2012 at 00h34, Abhay S. Kushwaha wrote:

Hi, 

> > With compface-support?  
> 
> It's had that since I can remember. :)

You sure? I don't think so :)
It has Face support but not X-Face!

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From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com  Wed Jul  4 21:34:32 2012
From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 01:04:32 +0530
Subject: [Users] Update to the Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20120704212415.74fdb376@marv>
References: <20120704164102.000011b5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20120704174832.7b15527e@colin>
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On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 21:24:15 +0200, Colin wrote:

> > > With compface-support?    
> > 
> > It's had that since I can remember. :)  
> 
> You sure? I don't think so :)
> It has Face support but not X-Face!

Well, your B&W photo shows up on the top right corner. Whatever that
is. Didn't even know there were two flavours of the face thingy. :P



From seelenhirt at gmx.net  Wed Jul  4 23:01:26 2012
From: seelenhirt at gmx.net (seelenhirt)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 23:01:26 +0200
Subject: [Users] carddav
In-Reply-To: <20120704101539.6767873b@gp>
References: <20120703222539.3fbbe3ff@gp>
	<20120703224803.744b1c69@sleipner.datanom.net>
	<20120704101539.6767873b@gp>
Message-ID: <20120704230126.3a481df7@eris.sumpf>

> > > Is there any solution to access a carddav server with the claws
> > > address book?
> > > 
> > The new address book has built-in support for import and export of
> > vCard(s). So if your carddav server can export contacts as a file of
> > vCard objects you are set to go. Imports vCard 2.1 or 3.0 and
> > exports vCard 2.1.
> > 
> 
> Is not really what I mean, but it could be a workaround. Not really
> usable for two way synchronisation ;-)
> 
there's an open ticket here:
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2658

i would like to see this feature too!

regards,
marius


From mm at edor.eu  Wed Jul  4 23:26:57 2012
From: mm at edor.eu (Uwe)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 23:26:57 +0200
Subject: [Users] carddav
In-Reply-To: <20120704230126.3a481df7@eris.sumpf>
References: <20120703222539.3fbbe3ff@gp>
	<20120703224803.744b1c69@sleipner.datanom.net>
	<20120704101539.6767873b@gp> <20120704230126.3a481df7@eris.sumpf>
Message-ID: <20120704232657.627696a6@gp>


On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 23:01:26 +0200
seelenhirt <seelenhirt at gmx.net> wrote:

> > > > Is there any solution to access a carddav server with the claws
> > > > address book?
> > > > 
> > > The new address book has built-in support for import and export of
> > > vCard(s). So if your carddav server can export contacts as a file
> > > of vCard objects you are set to go. Imports vCard 2.1 or 3.0 and
> > > exports vCard 2.1.
> > > 
> > 
> > Is not really what I mean, but it could be a workaround. Not really
> > usable for two way synchronisation ;-)
> > 
> there's an open ticket here:
> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2658
> 
> i would like to see this feature too!

This format gets very popular, since LDAP isn't really easy to set up
and the most upcoming cloud services using CardDav. It will become the
new standard for calendar, file and address book synchronisation.

> 
> regards,
> marius
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
> 


best regards,
Uwe


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 06:07:37 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu,  5 Jul 2012 06:07:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2661] Unencrypted e-mail gets saved on IMAP server
In-Reply-To: <bug-2661-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2661-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120705040737.CEE26854CE@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2661





--- Comment #3 from K. C. Juntunen  2012-07-05 06:07:36 ---
I can confirm this problem in Linux as well. I'm using version 3.8.0 in Fedora
17. I first noticed in a Windows client. The longer the email, the more copies
end up unencrypted on Gmail. I wonder if the Importance shouldn't be upgraded
since it defeats the purpose of encryption.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 08:29:33 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu,  5 Jul 2012 08:29:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2661] Unencrypted e-mail gets saved on IMAP server
In-Reply-To: <bug-2661-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2661-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120705062933.38A6C853E0@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2661





--- Comment #4 from Paul  2012-07-05 08:29:32 ---
I cannot reproduce this problem. Encrypted messages I send with my gmail
account remain encrypted in the gmail Sent folder.

In which gmail folder do you see these unencrypted mails?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 09:45:47 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu,  5 Jul 2012 09:45:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2600] Claws Mail crashes showing GPG signature
	information
In-Reply-To: <bug-2600-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2600-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120705074547.60CF4853E0@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2600





--- Comment #1 from Kyrill Detinov  2012-07-05 09:45:46 ---
Created an attachment (id=1125)
 --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1125)
crash-log

I'm sorry to say, it doesn't work for me.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 09:46:13 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu,  5 Jul 2012 09:46:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2600] Claws Mail crashes showing GPG signature
	information
In-Reply-To: <bug-2600-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2600-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120705074613.9680D8569C@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2600


Kyrill Detinov <lazy.kent at opensuse.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
         Resolution|WORKSFORME                  |




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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 10:17:31 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu,  5 Jul 2012 10:17:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2600] Claws Mail crashes showing GPG signature
	information
In-Reply-To: <bug-2600-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2600-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120705081731.29C41853E0@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2600





--- Comment #2 from Ricardo Mones  2012-07-05 10:17:30 ---
Probably same as
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2689

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 11:31:36 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu,  5 Jul 2012 11:31:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2600] Claws Mail crashes showing GPG signature
	information
In-Reply-To: <bug-2600-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2600-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #3 from Kyrill Detinov  2012-07-05 11:31:35 ---
Thanks, Ricardo. The patch helps.

Fixed in openSUSE: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=770014

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From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Thu Jul  5 12:38:00 2012
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 11:38:00 +0100
Subject: [Users] Update to the Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20120705010432.000078ce@netsolutionsindia.com>
References: <20120704164102.000011b5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
	<20120704174832.7b15527e@colin>
	<002101cd5a0f$eaba7570$c02f6050$@irmer@kabelmail.de>
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On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 01:04:32 +0530
"Abhay S. Kushwaha" <kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com> wrote:

> Didn't even know there were two flavours of the face thingy.

The wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many to choose
from :-p

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 13:32:26 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu,  5 Jul 2012 13:32:26 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2661] Unencrypted e-mail gets saved on IMAP server
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--- Comment #5 from K. C. Juntunen  2012-07-05 13:32:26 ---
I find it in [IMAP]/Sent on the Gmail web interface.

After some more testing, I see it happens with either Inline, or MIME PGP
modes. "Automatically save to Drafts folder" can be off or on. I've had as many
as two dozen cleartext copies of an encrypted email sent to Gmail in the
[IMAP]/Sent folder. Only the encrypted copy makes it finally to its destination
(apparently), but the plaintext is still hitting the Internet.

Is it a problem with the PGP Core plugin perhaps?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 13:39:28 2012
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Date: Thu,  5 Jul 2012 13:39:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2661] Unencrypted e-mail gets saved on IMAP server
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--- Comment #6 from K. C. Juntunen  2012-07-05 13:39:28 ---
The Network log looks like this when it happens: http://pastebin.com/KPfWJfrn

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 13:44:30 2012
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Date: Thu,  5 Jul 2012 13:44:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2661] Unencrypted e-mail gets saved on IMAP server
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--- Comment #7 from K. C. Juntunen  2012-07-05 13:44:30 ---
Another detail: When taking the time to type a message, I get many
partial-to-complete cleartext copies in [IMAP]/Sent. If I just paste in a big
chunk of text for testing, I get one full cleartext copy in [IMAP]/Sent.

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From reinhard.irmer at kabelmail.de  Thu Jul  5 14:25:14 2012
From: reinhard.irmer at kabelmail.de (Reinhard Irmer)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 14:25:14 +0200
Subject: [Users] Update to the Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20120704212415.74fdb376@marv>
References: <20120704164102.000011b5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>	<20120704174832.7b15527e@colin>	<002101cd5a0f$eaba7570$c02f6050$@irmer@kabelmail.de>	<20120705003413.00005b27@netsolutionsindia.com>
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Hi Colin,

you wrote on Mi, 4.Jul.2012 (21:24:15):
> On 05 July 2012 at 00h34, Abhay S. Kushwaha wrote:
> 
>>> With compface-support?
>> 
>> It's had that since I can remember. :)
> 
> You sure? I don't think so :)
> It has Face support but not X-Face!

Yes, and it would be nice, if X-Face could be shown............together with
Face ;-)
http://666kb.com/i/c5906o5vykotgkm5k.gif

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From barry at python.org  Thu Jul  5 16:45:08 2012
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:45:08 -0400
Subject: [Users] Mysterious progress bar thumb-twiddler
Message-ID: <20120705104508.49f87149@resist.wooz.org>

Claws 3.8.0 on Ubuntu 12.04.

Every once in a while, usually just after I've hit Send on a new message,
Claws will become unresponsive.  The compose window will have dimmed buttons
but will still be mapped.  I can't really do anything with it or the main
window, but I know that *something* is going on.

In the main window, down at the lower right (where the off-line icon and
account button is), I'll see a progress bar that shows Claws counting
something, e.g. 25674/39512 with the number on the left increasing as the
progress bar fills to the right.  This will usually take several minutes even
though it's separated from the imap server by a gigabit LAN.

What's going on, and how can I stop Claws from spending so much time on
whatever it is it's doing?

Cheers,
-Barry
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From barry at python.org  Thu Jul  5 16:49:01 2012
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:49:01 -0400
Subject: [Users] Small picture in e-mails?
References: <20120630223658.48b2c8b3@oogah>
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On Jul 02, 2012, at 05:25 AM, Ima Afrotrap wrote:

>  Are you serious? Gmail actually does something that stupid?

Yep, it's even a Mailman FAQ:

http://wiki.list.org/x/2IA9

Cheers,
-Barry
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From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Thu Jul  5 19:47:42 2012
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 13:47:42 -0400
Subject: [Users] SSL certificates
Message-ID: <20120705134742.0edc056f@debiantp.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>

Hi!  I am back to using Claws Mail again (under Debian, both 32- and
64-bit), having too many issues with Thunderbird. 

I have a question regarding the SSL certificates.  I have some of the
e-mail server settings set to use SSL connections.  On the server
certificates, when Claws prompted to save them, I noticed one of them
had an expiration date later this year and another one expires in 2013.

Once the certificates are renewed, does Claws automatically search for
and prompt to save the new certificate again?

Thanks.


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 20:06:27 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 19:06:27 +0100
Subject: [Users] SSL certificates
In-Reply-To: <20120705134742.0edc056f@debiantp.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
References: <20120705134742.0edc056f@debiantp.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20120705190627.2716578d@thewildbeast>

On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 13:47:42 -0400
<edwardp at linuxmail.org> wrote: 

> Once the certificates are renewed, does Claws automatically search
> for and prompt to save the new certificate again?

Yes.

Unless you've set the hidden pref, skip_ssl_cert_check=1 (it's 0 by
default), which disables verification of certificates.

with regards

Paul


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From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Thu Jul  5 20:28:03 2012
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 14:28:03 -0400
Subject: [Users] SSL certificates
In-Reply-To: <20120705190627.2716578d@thewildbeast>
References: <20120705134742.0edc056f@debiantp.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
	<20120705190627.2716578d@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20120705142803.377b95be@debian.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>

On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 19:06:27 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 13:47:42 -0400
> <edwardp at linuxmail.org> wrote: 
> 
> > Once the certificates are renewed, does Claws automatically search
> > for and prompt to save the new certificate again?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Unless you've set the hidden pref, skip_ssl_cert_check=1 (it's 0 by
> default), which disables verification of certificates.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul

Thank you.  I was not aware of any hidden preferences, but will leave
it at the default.
 



From ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 20:40:26 2012
From: ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk (Kevin Chadwick)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 19:40:26 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bulk]  SSL certificates
In-Reply-To: <20120705134742.0edc056f@debiantp.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
References: <20120705134742.0edc056f@debiantp.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <958654.39200.bm@smtp152.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

> Hi!  I am back to using Claws Mail again (under Debian, both 32- and
> 64-bit), having too many issues with Thunderbird. 
> 
> I have a question regarding the SSL certificates.  I have some of the
> e-mail server settings set to use SSL connections.  On the server
> certificates, when Claws prompted to save them, I noticed one of them
> had an expiration date later this year and another one expires in 2013.
> 
> Once the certificates are renewed, does Claws automatically search for
> and prompt to save the new certificate again?

Claws doesn't search it receives a certificate from the mail server and
asks you to manually verify the cert but I think? only if claws can't
verify it was signed by a certificate authority. If you successfully
manually verified the certs (likely difficult as you probably don't know
what the fingerprint should be or have a secure channel to find out) and
disabled the CAs, you would actually be more secure. If as you likely
can't verify the certificates fingerprint then the window for an
attacker getting you to accept the wrong certificate is still limited to
the first connection each time the certificate is renewed after
expiration.

Before it expires the server admins will update the certificate and
claws will likely ask you again (not signed by CA still) before storing
the new one as validated by you.

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From rezso at rezso.net  Thu Jul  5 21:47:47 2012
From: rezso at rezso.net (=?UTF-8?B?UMOhZGVyIFJlenPFkQ==?=)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 21:47:47 +0200
Subject: [Users] Session statistics date format
Message-ID: <20120705214747.1335f038@papi.home>

Hi,


session statistics uses ctime(), which displays the date in the "Thu Jul  5
21:07:55 2012".
It is possible to display this using prefs_common.date_format?


Regards,

rezso
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Jul  6 00:50:58 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri,  6 Jul 2012 00:50:58 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2661] Unencrypted e-mail gets saved on IMAP server
In-Reply-To: <bug-2661-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #8 from K. C. Juntunen  2012-07-06 00:50:56 ---
If you uncheck "Save sent messages to Sent folder" under Configuration >>
Preferences... >> Mail Handling >>> Sending, the problem goes away.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Jul  6 01:28:34 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri,  6 Jul 2012 01:28:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2661] Unencrypted e-mail gets saved on IMAP server
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--- Comment #9 from Michael Rasmussen  2012-07-06 01:28:33 ---
If you open the account in questions settings do you then have a check mark
where it says: "Save encrypted send messages in clear text"

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Jul  6 01:29:08 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri,  6 Jul 2012 01:29:08 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2661] Unencrypted e-mail gets saved on IMAP server
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--- Comment #10 from Michael Rasmussen  2012-07-06 01:29:08 ---
Look under the tab privacy

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From lips.john at gmail.com  Fri Jul  6 02:48:51 2012
From: lips.john at gmail.com (John Lips)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 18:48:51 -0600
Subject: [Users] do not mark unread automatically
Message-ID: <20120705184851.214c801b@rolla>

How do I disable the feature which automatically marks messages as read when they are selected in the header view.  I would instead like to be able to mark messages as read manually when I am done with them.  I've loooked through all the options in the prefs and clawsker, but cannot find what I am looking for. Thanks.


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Jul  6 04:01:52 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri,  6 Jul 2012 04:01:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2661] Unencrypted e-mail gets saved on IMAP server
In-Reply-To: <bug-2661-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #11 from K. C. Juntunen  2012-07-06 04:01:51 ---
No, I encrypt to myself; that greys out the box that saves as cleartext.

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Jul  6 08:18:33 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 07:18:33 +0100
Subject: [Users] do not mark unread automatically
In-Reply-To: <20120705184851.214c801b@rolla>
References: <20120705184851.214c801b@rolla>
Message-ID: <20120706071833.089fda83@thewildbeast>

On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 18:48:51 -0600
John Lips <lips.john at gmail.com> wrote: 

> How do I disable the feature which automatically marks messages as
> read when they are selected in the header view.  I would instead
> like to be able to mark messages as read manually when I am done
> with them.  I've loooked through all the options in the prefs and
> clawsker, but cannot find what I am looking for. Thanks.

On the Dispplay/Summaries page of the prefs you have some options in
the Message List frame. Have a look at the 'Mark messages as read...'
options and the 'Open message when selected' options.

with regards

Paul


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Jul  6 08:22:42 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri,  6 Jul 2012 08:22:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2661] Unencrypted e-mail gets saved on IMAP server
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--- Comment #12 from Paul  2012-07-06 08:22:41 ---
comment #7 suggests that you're using your Sent folder as a Drafts folder.
In the standard preferences, on the Compose/Writing page, turn off
'Automatically save messages to Drafts folder...'

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Jul  6 09:22:53 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri,  6 Jul 2012 09:22:53 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2691] New: After click the Browse button of Account
 Preference dialog,
 Select Folder dialog pop up behind the Account Preference dialog.
Message-ID: <bug-2691-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2691

           Summary: After click the Browse button of Account Preference
                    dialog, Select Folder dialog pop up behind the Account
                    Preference dialog.
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.0
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: mark.cyj at gmail.com


As brief above, Edit Account dialog -> edit -> account preference -> advanced
-> browse, than Select Folder dialog pop up, BUT this dialog NOT at the top, it
behinds the Account Preference dialog.

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From subscript at free.fr  Fri Jul  6 11:26:23 2012
From: subscript at free.fr (wwp)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 11:26:23 +0200
Subject: [Users] Session statistics date format
In-Reply-To: <20120705214747.1335f038@papi.home>
References: <20120705214747.1335f038@papi.home>
Message-ID: <20120706112623.386765e8@monolith>

Hello Páder,


On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 21:47:47 +0200 Páder Rezső <rezso at rezso.net> w
> Hi,
> 
> 
> session statistics uses ctime(), which displays the date in the "Thu Jul > 21:07:55 2012".
> It is possible to display this using prefs_common.date_format?

Done in CVS. I also updated the stats output a bit (inserted a blank
line separator), if that matters.


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Jul  6 13:58:23 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri,  6 Jul 2012 13:58:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2691] After click the Browse button of Account
 Preference dialog,
 Select Folder dialog pop up behind the Account Preference dialog.
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--- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian  2012-07-06 13:58:22 ---
Works just fine over here, with KDE 4.7. What desktop environment are you
using? It's probably at fault.
Also, KDE has a "focus stealing prevention" setting, which if set too high will
do things like this sometimes.

Somewhat related note to devs: perhaps this folder selection dialog could be
made modal?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Jul  6 14:45:05 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri,  6 Jul 2012 14:45:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2691] After click the Browse button of Account
 Preference dialog,
 Select Folder dialog pop up behind the Account Preference dialog.
In-Reply-To: <bug-2691-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #2 from Mark Chang  2012-07-06 14:45:05 ---
Hi Andrej,
Sorry, I forgot to list my environment. 
OS: Ubuntu 10.04
KDE: 4.4.5
Claws: 3.8.0
Maybe set the property of the folder selection dialog to modal is a good idea.
I agree your opinion.

Thanks.

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From rezso at rezso.net  Fri Jul  6 18:57:59 2012
From: rezso at rezso.net (=?UTF-8?B?UMOhZGVyIFJlenPFkQ==?=)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 18:57:59 +0200
Subject: [Users] Session statistics date format
In-Reply-To: <20120706112623.386765e8@monolith>
References: <20120705214747.1335f038@papi.home>
	<20120706112623.386765e8@monolith>
Message-ID: <20120706185759.28acc59f@papi.home>


> Done in CVS. I also updated the stats output a bit (inserted a blank
> line separator), if that matters.

Thank you.

 
Regards,

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From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Fri Jul  6 20:08:11 2012
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 14:08:11 -0400
Subject: [Users] PPA
Message-ID: <20120706140811.2f3f28d0@debian.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>

Does the Ubuntu PPA also work with Debian 6 (Squeeze)?  If so, are
there any adjustments required for the "deb" commands?

Thank you.


From linux at slavino.sk  Fri Jul  6 20:37:12 2012
From: linux at slavino.sk (Slavko)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 20:37:12 +0200
Subject: [Users] PPA
In-Reply-To: <20120706140811.2f3f28d0@debian.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
References: <20120706140811.2f3f28d0@debian.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20120706203712.5693db83@bonifac.skk>

Ahoj,

Dňa Fri, 6 Jul 2012 14:08:11 -0400 <edwardp at linuxmail.org> napísal:

> Does the Ubuntu PPA also work with Debian 6 (Squeeze)?  If so, are
> there any adjustments required for the "deb" commands?

there are often problems with dependencies, but you can be success. On PPA
is info for setting the PPA. I sugest create separate file for any PPA
in /etc/apt/source.list.d directory. Filename must ends with ".list". On
the PPA page are information about the secure apt key too.

Better seems to download source package from PPA and rebuild it for your
machine. There are sometime problems with build dependencies too, but no
often. After build dependencies are installed (solved), it must be no
problem build package by:

debuild

and after success build install desired packages in parent dir by

dpkg -i ../*.deb

IMHO, the latest CM's debian packages are in unstable
http://packages.debian.org/sid/claws-mail

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Fri Jul  6 22:53:22 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Fri,  6 Jul 2012 22:53:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2661] Unencrypted e-mail gets saved on IMAP server
In-Reply-To: <bug-2661-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2661-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2661





--- Comment #13 from K. C. Juntunen  2012-07-06 22:53:22 ---
I turned off 'Automatically save messages to Drafts folder...' earlier; after
that it seemed to only save a single cleartext copy (it never saved anything in
the '[IMAP]/Drafts' folder anyhow). 

The problem only went away when I turned off 'Save sent messages to Sent
folder...'under 'Configuration' >> 'Preferences...' >> 'Mail Handling' >>>
'Sending'

If that's not a bug, I'd think there should be a warning about it in the
documentation.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul  7 01:52:47 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat,  7 Jul 2012 01:52:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2692] New: fancy.so doesn't load
Message-ID: <bug-2692-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2692

           Summary: fancy.so doesn't load
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: FreeBSD
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Plugins/Fancy
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: flower.henry at yahoo.com


claws-mail-fancy-0.9.16 & webkit-gtk2-1.4.3_1 from freebsd ports.

claws-mail (Configuration->Plugins->Load) says:

The following error occurred while loading fancy.so :
/usr/local/lib/claws-mail/plugins/fancy.so: Undefined symbol "D_"

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From colin at colino.net  Sat Jul  7 07:18:31 2012
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 07:18:31 +0200
Subject: [Users] Update to the Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20120704164102.000011b5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
References: <20120704164102.000011b5@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20120707071831.04474b0e@marv>

On 04 July 2012 at 16h41, Brian Morrison wrote:

Hi, 

> Do you have any plans to release an updated Win32 version? If so,
> would be appreciated.

Released !

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From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Sat Jul  7 11:52:41 2012
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 10:52:41 +0100
Subject: [Users] Update to the Win32 version?
In-Reply-To: <20120707071831.04474b0e@marv>
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On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 07:18:31 +0200
Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> wrote:

> On 04 July 2012 at 16h41, Brian Morrison wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> > Do you have any plans to release an updated Win32 version? If so,
> > would be appreciated.
> 
> Released !
> 

Colin, you are a star!

Thank you :)

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From leger at crans.org  Sun Jul  8 16:52:04 2012
From: leger at crans.org (Jean-Benoist Leger)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 16:52:04 +0200
Subject: [Users] gpg validity homogeneous with gpg program (plugin pgpcore)
Message-ID: <20120708165204.5b842808@ginette.vpn.lmdb.eu>

Hello developers,

Firstly, since the term trust in ambiguous for gpg (and in gpg offical manual), I will use only the two following terms :

* ownertrust : the trust we have to the owner to validates key
* validity : the trust we have that the key is the real key of the person we 
  know

For the following, I will consider we use the standart PGP trust model (3 marginal ownertrust needed of 1 full ownertrust needed).

When a key have the following validity, we can say :

* unknown : nothing
* marginal : one or two key with validity>=full and ownertrust=marginal 
  have sign this key
* full: three keys with validity>=full, and ownertrust=marginal ; OR one key
  with validity>=full and ownertrust>=full

Following the PGP trust model a key with validity=marginal is NOT trusted.

This is the output of GnuPG for a signature verification made by a key with validity=marginal :

gpg: Signature made Tue Jul  3 17:27:20 2012 CEST using RSA key ID XXXXXXXX
gpg: Good signature from "Xxxxxx XXXX <xxxxxx.xxxx at example.org>"
gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with sufficiently trusted signatures!
gpg:          It is not certain that the signature belongs to the owner.

(I have anonymized the output)

Following my remarks on the IRC channel, ticho have commited the patchset 3.8.1cvs11 on the CVS.

But there are on behavior which is problematic.

The message "(untrusted)" is displayed but the icons display a good sign.

A sign with untrusted key is not a bad sign, and this verification must not be displayed as SIGNATURE_INVALID, but a sign with untrusted key is not a perfect sign, and must not be displayed as a perfect sign (SIGNATURE_OK).

See below, the GnuPG program output "Good signature", and a WARNING. To uniformize the output of the pgpcore plugin and the output of GnuPG program I propose a (trivial) patch.

With this patch, when a signature made by a key with validity=marginal is checked, the warning icon is displayed and the message is "Good signature (untrusted) from…" this is homogeneous with the GnuPG program.

If you want debate, I would be happy to participate.

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From mistlail at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jul  8 20:19:42 2012
From: mistlail at yahoo.co.uk (mistlail at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 11:19:42 -0700
Subject: [Users] infer flags
In-Reply-To: <20120624114110.0af0732a@nance>
References: <20120624114110.0af0732a@nance>
Message-ID: <20120708111942.5c52159f@nance>

On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:41:10 -0700
<mistlail at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> I recently imported some mbox files
> and I notice they have no flags
> so I'm wondering if there is a way
> to make Claws infer flags
> (e.g., replied, forwarded, attachment, &c.)
> 
> thanks
> askye

since that got no response
can anyone advise me
on writing a script to scan messages
and set the appropriate flags?
(where are the flag metadata stored?, &c.)

thanks
askye


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul  8 23:15:33 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun,  8 Jul 2012 23:15:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2693] New: POP3< +OK 279 messages (0 bytes)
Message-ID: <bug-2693-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2693

           Summary: POP3< +OK 279 messages (0 bytes)
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.0
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: POP3
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: ronald645 at gmail.com


Created an attachment (id=1126)
 --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1126)
claws-mail --debug >& log , with a single run of the failing operation

I tried downloading all Gmail messages from the server. The web interface
provides an option for this. The reason for this is to harvest e-mail addresses
with another plugin from claws-mail.

However, at some point the downloading stops. It's still not complete.

It seems to 'hang' just at the end of 2011. Claws-mail shortly goes into fetch
mode and then returns as if nothing happens.

I suspect the line which is used as a subject for this bugreport might provide
a hint. I don't think that 279 messages can be 0 bytes. However, maybe I'm
wrong.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul  9 00:23:13 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon,  9 Jul 2012 00:23:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2692] fancy.so doesn't load
In-Reply-To: <bug-2692-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2692-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120708222313.05267853E3@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2692





--- Comment #1 from Holger Berndt  2012-07-09 00:23:11 ---
I assume the plugin has been compiled with --disable-nls?

Looks like
https://github.com/marvil07/claws-mail-plugins/commit/7ab5564bd43c717406861fcaa3d915c57086814e
- and I think this affects yet more plugins.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul  9 03:50:28 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon,  9 Jul 2012 03:50:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2692] fancy.so doesn't load
In-Reply-To: <bug-2692-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2692-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120709015028.79FFF853E3@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2692


flower.henry at yahoo.com changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |FIXED




--- Comment #2 from flower.henry  2012-07-09 03:50:27 ---
Yep, it turns out I had in /etc/make.conf "WITHOUT_NLS=1". Removing that line &
rebuilding the port fixes the problem.

Thank you.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul  9 07:11:30 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon,  9 Jul 2012 07:11:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2692] building with --disable-nls broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-2692-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2692


Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Summary|fancy.so doesn't load       |building with --disable-nls
                   |                            |broken




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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul  9 07:14:46 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon,  9 Jul 2012 07:14:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2692] building with --disable-nls broken
In-Reply-To: <bug-2692-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2692


Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Component|Plugins/Fancy               |Plugins




--- Comment #3 from Paul  2012-07-09 07:14:45 ---
This bug affected the following plugins: acpi_notifier, address_keeper,
archive, attachwarner, bsfilter, fancy, fetchinfo, gtkhtml2_viewer,
notification, rssyl, spam_report, and vcalendar.

It's no fixed in CVS.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul  9 07:18:58 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon,  9 Jul 2012 07:18:58 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2693] POP3< +OK 279 messages (0 bytes)
In-Reply-To: <bug-2693-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2693-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2693


Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |INVALID




--- Comment #1 from Paul  2012-07-09 07:18:57 ---
It's POP. You're leaving the messages on the server, but Claws knows which ones
it has already downloaded because the UIDL is recorded in
~/.claws-mail/uidl/[your-account-file]

If you want Claws to re-download the messages that you have already received,
then you must remove their UIDL records from the above mentioned file.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul  9 08:04:22 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon,  9 Jul 2012 08:04:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2693] POP3< +OK 279 messages (0 bytes)
In-Reply-To: <bug-2693-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2693-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120709060422.B1B7B853C2@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2693


Ronald <ronald645 at gmail.com> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
         Resolution|INVALID                     |




--- Comment #2 from Ronald  2012-07-09 08:04:21 ---
Thanks for the prompt reply, I already checked that. However:


gebruiker at Delta:~/.claws-mail/uidl$ ls -la ~/.claws-mail/uidl/
totaal 8
drwx------  2 gebruiker gebruiker 4096 jul  9 07:53 .
drwx------ 11 gebruiker gebruiker 4096 jul  9 07:54 ..
-rw-rw-r--  1 gebruiker gebruiker    0 jul  9 07:53
pop.gmail.com-k.uitermark at gmail.com

Could it be related to this?:

From: http://support.google.com/mail/bin/static.py?hl=en&page=known_issues.cs

Message size is shown as 0 bytes
If you use POP or IMAP, we're aware of an issue where messages in your are
shown to have a size of 0 bytes. Rest assured, the messages are there and
nothing has been lost. We�re working to resolve the issue to display the
correct message size.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul  9 08:33:31 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon,  9 Jul 2012 08:33:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2693] POP3< +OK 279 messages (0 bytes)
In-Reply-To: <bug-2693-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2693


Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|REOPENED                    |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |INVALID




--- Comment #3 from Paul  2012-07-09 08:33:30 ---
If it is that bug, then it's not a Claws bug, therefore can still be 'RESOLVED'
'INVALID', and not reopened. Thanks.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul  9 15:08:38 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon,  9 Jul 2012 15:08:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2212] Implement Push IMAP
In-Reply-To: <bug-2212-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2212





--- Comment #1 from Alexander Tsoy  2012-07-09 15:08:37 ---
Isn't this a duplicate of bug 1408?

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From lfisk at iserv.net  Mon Jul  9 21:34:57 2012
From: lfisk at iserv.net (Leon Fisk)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:34:57 -0400
Subject: [Users] Update PPA releases for Lucid?
Message-ID: <201207091935.q69JZ10t004644@mail5.iserv.net>

I know you guys are busy, but... 

Any plans on generating new builds for Lucid sometime in the future?

Little Girl could probably use it too, besides myself...


PS - I'm only kinda running Karmic yet and think I can get a new Lucid
build to run with some creative deb file editing. At least I got it to
install/run with the 3.8.0 version for Lucid :)

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From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Mon Jul  9 21:41:36 2012
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:41:36 -0400
Subject: [Users] X-Mailer header information
Message-ID: <20120709154136.00001fe7@unknown>

In addition to Linux, I also have Claws Mail installed on two Windows
systems, one is 32-bit Vista, the other is 64-bit Windows 7.

The X-Mailer information for the Windows version references: 

Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc)

Would this be a bug, at least under 64-bit Windows?  The other e-mail
apps previously used (Windows Mail and Thunderbird) show the
architecture as WOW64 (Windows on Windows 64-bit) in their
User-Agent or X-Mailer headers.

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From andrej at kacian.sk  Mon Jul  9 23:00:44 2012
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 23:00:44 +0200
Subject: [Users] X-Mailer header information
In-Reply-To: <20120709154136.00001fe7@unknown>
References: <20120709154136.00001fe7@unknown>
Message-ID: <20120709230044.34e2c288@penny>

On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:41:36 -0400
<edwardp at linuxmail.org> wrote:

> Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc)
> 
> Would this be a bug, at least under 64-bit Windows?  The other e-mail
> apps previously used (Windows Mail and Thunderbird) show the
> architecture as WOW64 (Windows on Windows 64-bit) in their
> User-Agent or X-Mailer headers.

My guess is that claws-mail.exe has probably been compiled as a 32-bit
executable - which your 64-bit OS can run, of course. The header does not
contain host architecture, but that of the executable.

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From higuita7 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jul  9 23:17:25 2012
From: higuita7 at yahoo.co.uk (higuita)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 22:17:25 +0100
Subject: [Users] X-Mailer header information
In-Reply-To: <20120709154136.00001fe7@unknown>
References: <20120709154136.00001fe7@unknown>
Message-ID: <20120709221725.05099850@Couracado.homelinux.net>

Hi

On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:41:36 -0400, <edwardp at linuxmail.org> wrote:
> Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc)
> Would this be a bug, at least under 64-bit Windows?  The other e-mail
> apps previously used (Windows Mail and Thunderbird) show the
> architecture as WOW64 (Windows on Windows 64-bit) in their
> User-Agent or X-Mailer headers.
 
	that user-agent shows the info about the running client, so
it's saying  that you are running a 32bit mingw client... even if 
running on a 64 bit windows.

	so if you want it showing a 64bit client, you need to
download/install/compile a 64bit version of claws

good luck
higuita
-- 
Naturally the common people don't want war... but after all it is the
leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a 
simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or
a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are 
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger.  It works the same in every country.
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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Mon Jul  9 23:22:59 2012
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:22:59 -0400
Subject: [Users] I'd prefer the Move dialog to open completely collapsed
Message-ID: <20120709172259.6b05df67@mydesk>

Hi all,

I often rightclick a message in the message list and choose Move, in
which case a dialog box opens for me to navigate to the destination
folder. This dialog box shows a folder tree, with all nodes expanded.
Because a few of my folders contain tens of subfolders, this is a
biiiiig navaigation task, and that navigation serves no purpose but to
slow me down.

What would be better is if every tree were completely collapsed, except
the tree path down to the last move I did. This would make Move a much
quicker and easier task. 

Better still would be to provide a "cut" command on the message list,
and then be able to "paste" it into a folder in the folder list.
Dragging isn't viable because my directory list is about five times the
length of its visible portion, and "hit the bottom edge" scrolling is
slow and imprecise.

Thanks

SteveT

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From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com  Mon Jul  9 23:34:18 2012
From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 03:04:18 +0530
Subject: [Users] I'd prefer the Move dialog to open completely collapsed
In-Reply-To: <20120709172259.6b05df67@mydesk>
References: <20120709172259.6b05df67@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20120710030418.4841befb@netsolutionsindia.com>

On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:22:59 -0400, Steve wrote:

> I often rightclick a message in the message list and choose Move, in
> which case a dialog box opens for me to navigate to the destination
> folder. This dialog box shows a folder tree, with all nodes
> expanded. Because a few of my folders contain tens of subfolders,
> this is a biiiiig navaigation task, and that navigation serves no
> purpose but to slow me down.

Try typing the first few letters of the folder you want to move the
email to. If there are multiple folders that start the same, pressing
down arrow will cycle forward till you come across the one you want.

Press Enter.

You're done.



From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Mon Jul  9 23:44:47 2012
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:44:47 -0400
Subject: [Users] I'd prefer the Move dialog to open completely collapsed
In-Reply-To: <20120710030418.4841befb@netsolutionsindia.com>
References: <20120709172259.6b05df67@mydesk>
	<20120710030418.4841befb@netsolutionsindia.com>
Message-ID: <20120709174447.24805ebc@mydesk>

On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 03:04:18 +0530, Abhay S. Kushwaha said:
> On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:22:59 -0400, Steve wrote:
> 
> > I often rightclick a message in the message list and choose Move, in
> > which case a dialog box opens for me to navigate to the destination
> > folder. This dialog box shows a folder tree, with all nodes
> > expanded. Because a few of my folders contain tens of subfolders,
> > this is a biiiiig navaigation task, and that navigation serves no
> > purpose but to slow me down.
> 
> Try typing the first few letters of the folder you want to move the
> email to. If there are multiple folders that start the same, pressing
> down arrow will cycle forward till you come across the one you want.
> 
> Press Enter.
> 
> You're done.

Thanks Abhay!

I have sub-folders starting with "pub" under several main folders, so I
don't even get close. I'll admit if you remember, off the tip of your
tongue, the exact spelling of a folder,  this is a good way of doing
it, but for me, it can end up taking more time than walking through the
whole tree and closing every root folder, and believe me, that takes
some time.

Thanks

SteveT

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From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Mon Jul  9 23:53:07 2012
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:53:07 -0400
Subject: [Users] X-Mailer header information
In-Reply-To: <20120709221725.05099850@Couracado.homelinux.net>
References: <20120709154136.00001fe7@unknown>
	<20120709221725.05099850@Couracado.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <20120709175307.202b2bb5@amd.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>

On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 22:17:25 +0100
higuita <higuita7 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi
> 	that user-agent shows the info about the running client, so
> it's saying  that you are running a 32bit mingw client... even if 
> running on a 64 bit windows.
> 
> 	so if you want it showing a 64bit client, you need to
> download/install/compile a 64bit version of claws
> 
> good luck
> higuita

32-bit works on 64-bit, so I'm happy with that.  :)

Thank you (and Andrej) for the replies.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 10 04:03:28 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 04:03:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2694] New: Claws freezes when creating new mail folder
Message-ID: <bug-2694-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2694

           Summary: Claws freezes when creating new mail folder
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.0
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Folders
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: ed.rippy at mindspring.com


Setting up after fresh install of Ubuntu Precise 32-bit --
install Claws Mail from Ubuntu software ctr, run
select "Welcome to Claws mail" msg in Inbox
right-click msg, select "New..." from popup menu
[dialog box w/ entry widget "New Folder" appears]
-- try anything. Cannot change folder name, close dialog box, close Claws --
only can kill from cmd line after getting proc ID w/ ps.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 10 04:14:32 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 04:14:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2694] Claws freezes when creating new mail folder
In-Reply-To: <bug-2694-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2694-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120710021432.8C69B853C2@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2694





--- Comment #1 from Ed Rippy  2012-07-10 04:14:31 ---
Claws 3.7.4 under Ubuntu Lucid (same machine) runs fine.

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From claws-mail.20.gnufiz at spamgourmet.com  Tue Jul 10 10:26:17 2012
From: claws-mail.20.gnufiz at spamgourmet.com (claws-mail.20.gnufiz at spamgourmet.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:26:17 +0200
Subject: [Users] Usage of custom placeholders / symbols out of the address
 book in templates
Message-ID: <20120710102617.12b9f798@jalsti.dyndns.org>

Hi all,

is there a possibility to use custom entrys out of the address book as
placeholders in mail templates? 
What I am trying to do is to send around 60 mails to a bunch of entrys
out of my address book. These entrys all have additional custom fields
like 'Title' or 'Salutation', which I now hoped to be able to use in my
templates.

Is there a possibility to create a template like the following, which
will be then completed automatically, on sending, with the according
entry of the single 'BCC' recipient out of the 'BCC' recipients list?

--snip--
|bcc_recipient{salutation} |bcc_recipient{lastname},

changes come up to your |bcc_recipient{department} department, which
will also will result in foobar for you, |bcc_recipient{title}
|bcc_recipient{lastname}.
(...)
--snip--

Thanks for any help regarding this case.
Jaleks



From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 10 16:11:36 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 16:11:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2689] segfault when trying to view info about
	pgp/smime sign
In-Reply-To: <bug-2689-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2689-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120710141136.74FA68540B@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2689





--- Comment #3 from users  2012-07-10 16:11:34 ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest CVS and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://www.claws-mail.org/tracker/

2012-07-10 [mones]    3.8.1cvs12

    * src/plugins/pgpcore/sgpgme.c
        Fix bug 2689, 'segfault when trying to view info
                about pgp/smime sign'

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From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Tue Jul 10 20:51:45 2012
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:51:45 -0700
Subject: [Users] 3 columns layout and 2 screens
Message-ID: <20120710115145.4d8cf79a@from-theboss.911networks.com>

Hi,

I splurged and got a second 24" LCD. Now I'd like CM to use the 2
displays.

Ideally, the left LCD panel would have the folders and the message
list and the right LCD panel would have the messages. I try to
do that but:

* CM 3.8.1, on Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid, never remembers the positions
* The message list lose the date/time column and the subject column
  (they are displayed as a second line)

1. Is there a way for CM to remember the layout size?
2. Is the way to set the columns?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 10 23:15:58 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 23:15:58 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2640] improve quoted-printable encoding
In-Reply-To: <bug-2640-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2640-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120710211558.4C94E8540B@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2640


Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
         Resolution|FIXED                       |




--- Comment #13 from Paul  2012-07-10 23:15:56 ---
see bug #2641

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 10 23:16:21 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 23:16:21 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2642] improve transfer encoding selection
In-Reply-To: <bug-2642-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2642-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120710211625.2492685582@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2642


Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
         Resolution|FIXED                       |




--- Comment #2 from Paul  2012-07-10 23:16:19 ---
see bug #2641

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 10 23:19:02 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 23:19:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2641] 7bit or 8bit encoded attachments can have lines
 longer than 998 characters
In-Reply-To: <bug-2641-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2641-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120710211902.5D2FF8540B@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2641


Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|RESOLVED                    |REOPENED
         Resolution|FIXED                       |




--- Comment #4 from Paul  2012-07-10 23:19:01 ---
I reverted this patch and the patches attached to bugs #2640 and #2642 as
(somewhere) they cause partial message text loss. This was reproducible pasting
in long lines using /Edit/Special paste/Unwrapped. Reverted the lot as it's a
serious bug and it's the quickest way to make sure cvs is safe again.

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From claws-mail.20.gnufiz at spamgourmet.com  Wed Jul 11 14:52:58 2012
From: claws-mail.20.gnufiz at spamgourmet.com (claws-mail.20.gnufiz at spamgourmet.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:52:58 +0200
Subject: [Users] vCalendar crashes on specific WebCal when loading
Message-ID: <20120711145258.5c8f6a09@jalsti.dyndns.org>

Hi all,

when trying to includes this URL: 
http://ekvv.uni-bielefeld.de/ws/calendar?raumId=21357
as webCal in vCalendar, claws-mail crashes after one can see (quite
short) that some dates have been loaded.

Is there anything one can do about this issue? 

Thanks,
Jaleks



From pf at pfortin.com  Wed Jul 11 15:36:12 2012
From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:36:12 -0400
Subject: [Users] vCalendar:  timezone bug?
Message-ID: <20120711093612.6ce4d547@pfortin.com>

Hi,

To be honest, I've never used shared calendars, so I hope this makes
sense...  Just wanting to make sure it's not my issue before I open a
bug.  Of course, it could be a bug in Google Calendar... :)

Installed vCalendar and connected it to our Duty Desk schedule on Google
Calendar.  Individuals which are scheduled on the morning or afternoon
shifts are displayed at the correct times.  However, those that are on
duty all day (no times specified on Google Calendar) have their vCalendar
entries showing as starting 4 hours too soon -- at 20:00 on the previous
day.

I'm in the same timezone as New York (-4), so it would appear that
all-day events are not adjusted for the local timezone.  

Calendar:
https://www.google.com/calendar/render?tab=mc&gsessionid=M_Qy5YinFuA5Ea925_1pNA&pli=1
iCal:
https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/u2k9k4p01bp05b0u0g2q85u24g%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics

Cheers,
Pierre


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 11 18:12:10 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:12:10 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2695] New: Emails marked as unread in Offline folders
Message-ID: <bug-2695-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2695

           Summary: Emails marked as unread in Offline folders
           Product: Claws Mail (Maemo)
           Version: CVS
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: other
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: General
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: wazz at ellijay.com


OS: Win 7 64 bit & Win 7 32 bit.   
Using Colins Claws Mail Windows port 3.8.1

Am using Dropbox to sync two computers. Dropbox is configured to sync the
ClawsMail user folder, and offline email is updated successfully. However, the
offline folders will not stay marked as read.  

I did not have this problem when I was syncing between two Win XP computers.

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From rezso at rezso.net  Wed Jul 11 18:24:33 2012
From: rezso at rezso.net (=?UTF-8?B?UMOhZGVyIFJlenPFkQ==?=)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:24:33 +0200
Subject: [Users] ngettext in rssyl not works?
Message-ID: <20120711182433.13aefc18@papi.home>

Hi,

The CM displayed me this message: 
„Claws Mail needs network access in order to update the feeds.”
But this message is translated in hu.po file.
Why not works the translation?


Regards,

rezso
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From andrej at kacian.sk  Wed Jul 11 18:57:07 2012
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:57:07 +0200
Subject: [Users] ngettext in rssyl not works?
In-Reply-To: <20120711182433.13aefc18@papi.home>
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:24:33 +0200
Páder Rezső <rezso at rezso.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The CM displayed me this message: 
> „Claws Mail needs network access in order to update the feeds.�> But this message is translated in hu.po file.
> Why not works the translation?

Hello,

sorry about that, my guess is that dngettext() should be used instead here,
since the text is being displayed by a function from claws-mail core (which
has its own gettext domain, and therefore getting its translation from
elsewhere).

I will take a look at it hopefully later today. Thanks for letting me know.
Regards,
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 11 18:56:52 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:56:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2696] New: pt_BR issues
Message-ID: <bug-2696-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2696

           Summary: pt_BR issues
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: FreeBSD
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Translations
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: hm at hm.net.br


Hi, I contacted already the indicated maintainer of pt_BR, unfortunately I got
no answer

there are some words, grammars and definitions which might need revision

are you interested in correcting or at least reviewing it?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 11 18:58:05 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:58:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2695] Emails marked as unread in Offline folders
In-Reply-To: <bug-2695-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2695-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120711165805.A7628853C2@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2695


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 11 19:07:00 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 19:07:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2696] pt_BR issues
In-Reply-To: <bug-2696-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2696-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #1 from Paul  2012-07-11 19:06:59 ---
The translation was updated for the last release, which was very recent, so
Frederico is still actively engaged. Send any patches you have via the
translators' mailing list, thanks!

http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/translators

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From pf at pfortin.com  Wed Jul 11 19:28:34 2012
From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:28:34 -0400
Subject: [Users] vCalendar:  timezone bug? (corrected cal link)
In-Reply-To: <20120711093612.6ce4d547@pfortin.com>
References: <20120711093612.6ce4d547@pfortin.com>
Message-ID: <20120711132834.1a2255b0@pfortin.com>

On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:36:12 -0400 Pierre Fortin wrote:

>Hi,
>
>To be honest, I've never used shared calendars, so I hope this makes
>sense...  Just wanting to make sure it's not my issue before I open a
>bug.  Of course, it could be a bug in Google Calendar... :)
>
>Installed vCalendar and connected it to our Duty Desk schedule on Google
>Calendar.  Individuals which are scheduled on the morning or afternoon
>shifts are displayed at the correct times.  However, those that are on
>duty all day (no times specified on Google Calendar) have their vCalendar
>entries showing as starting 4 hours too soon -- at 20:00 on the previous
>day.
>
>I'm in the same timezone as New York (-4), so it would appear that
>all-day events are not adjusted for the local timezone.  
>
>Calendar:
>https://www.google.com/calendar/render?tab=mc&gsessionid=M_Qy5YinFuA5Ea925_1pNA&pli=1
Sorry... this should have been:
https://www.google.com/calendar/b/0/embed?showDate=0&showPrint=0&showCalendars=0&showTz=0&mode=MONTH&height=600&wkst=1&bgcolor=%23FFFFFF&src=u2k9k4p01bp05b0u0g2q85u24g%40group.calendar.google.com&color=%2329527A&ctz=America%2FNew_York

>iCal:
>https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/u2k9k4p01bp05b0u0g2q85u24g%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics
>
>Cheers,
>Pierre
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From andrej at kacian.sk  Wed Jul 11 23:45:40 2012
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:45:40 +0200
Subject: [Users] ngettext in rssyl not works?
In-Reply-To: <20120711185707.5ff9918d@penny>
References: <20120711182433.13aefc18@papi.home> <20120711185707.5ff9918d@penny>
Message-ID: <20120711234540.001e3899@penny>

On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:57:07 +0200
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:24:33 +0200
> Páder Rezső <rezso at rezso.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The CM displayed me this message: 
> > „Claws Mail needs network access in order to update the feeds.â> But
> > this message is translated in hu.po file. Why not works the translation?
> 
> Hello,
> 
> sorry about that, my guess is that dngettext() should be used instead here,
> since the text is being displayed by a function from claws-mail core (which
> has its own gettext domain, and therefore getting its translation from
> elsewhere).
> 
> I will take a look at it hopefully later today. Thanks for letting me know.
> Regards,

As I suspected, dngettext() fixed it. The fix is now committed to CVS,
although I suspect there will be more such calls that need fixing, also in
other plugins.

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From mark+claws at carnildo.com  Thu Jul 12 07:56:10 2012
From: mark+claws at carnildo.com (Mark Wagner)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:56:10 -0700
Subject: [Users] infer flags
In-Reply-To: <20120708111942.5c52159f@nance>
References: <20120624114110.0af0732a@nance>
	<20120708111942.5c52159f@nance>
Message-ID: <20120711225610.3c4df491@puma.carnildo.com>

On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 11:19:42 -0700
<mistlail at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:41:10 -0700
> <mistlail at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > I recently imported some mbox files
> > and I notice they have no flags
> > so I'm wondering if there is a way
> > to make Claws infer flags
> > (e.g., replied, forwarded, attachment, &c.)
> > 
> > thanks
> > askye
> 
> since that got no response
> can anyone advise me
> on writing a script to scan messages
> and set the appropriate flags?
> (where are the flag metadata stored?, &c.)

Claws stores its flag metadata in .claws_mark files, one per mail
directory.  I don't know where (or if) mbox files store their metadata;
you may need to investigate your particular mail program.

-- 
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 12 09:15:03 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:15:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2695] Emails marked as unread in Offline folders
In-Reply-To: <bug-2695-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2695-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120712071503.E8934854AA@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2695


Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Colin Leroy  2012-07-12 09:15:03 ---
It's because Dropbox must change the modification time of email files, making
Claws Mail believe they changed. 

Nothing we want to do against that, because this is actually a feature. Dropbox
should avoid modifying timestamps for files that don't change across two
synchronisations, like rsync does.

HTH

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From gbonnema at xs4all.nl  Thu Jul 12 14:31:09 2012
From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (Guus Bonnema)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:31:09 +0200
Subject: [Users] Intro
Message-ID: <20120712143109.611b73e0@mahatma>

Goodday to all,

Today I joined the claws users mailing list and I installed claws mail
(from Kubuntu 12).

I found a python scripts to import my thunderbird archive. However, I
probably inserted my archive in the wrong directory, because even
though the mail is there, it is not recognized by claws.

My directory structure from claws is: 

root at mahatma:/home/gbonnema/.claws-mail# ddir -d -x "Mailbox/.*" . 
.
+--addrbook/
+--imapcache/
|  +--imaps.xs4all.nl/
|     +--gbonnema/
|        +--Drafts/
|        +--INBOX/
|        +--Queue/
|        +--Sent/
|        +--Trash/
|        +--local/
+--mimetmp/
+--newscache/
+--tagsdb/
|  +--#imap/
|  |  +--gbonnema at imaps.xs4all.nl/
|  |     +--Drafts/
|  |     +--INBOX/
|  |     +--Queue/
|  |     +--Sent/
|  |     +--Trash/
|  |     +--local/
|  +--#mh/
|  |  +--Mailbox/
+--templates/
+--tmp/
+--uidl/

[I excluded all files below #mh/Mailbox, because that is my whole
archive (and its lots of files).]

I see none of the files under #mh/Mailbox in claws.

Where should I put the archive to make the files show up in claws? What
is the right directory?

Guus Bonnema, The Netherlands.



From charlescurley at charlescurley.com  Thu Jul 12 14:54:03 2012
From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 06:54:03 -0600
Subject: [Users] Intro
In-Reply-To: <20120712143109.611b73e0@mahatma>
References: <20120712143109.611b73e0@mahatma>
Message-ID: <20120712065403.57fb18ac@yendi>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:31:09 +0200
Guus Bonnema <gbonnema at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Where should I put the archive to make the files show up in claws?
> What is the right directory?

Try dropping the contents of the archive into ~/Mail.


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From gbonnema at xs4all.nl  Thu Jul 12 17:00:51 2012
From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (Guus Bonnema)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:00:51 +0200
Subject: [Users] Intro
In-Reply-To: <20120712065403.57fb18ac@yendi>
References: <20120712143109.611b73e0@mahatma> <20120712065403.57fb18ac@yendi>
Message-ID: <20120712170051.5cab9952@mahatma>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 06:54:03 -0600
Charles Curley <charlescurley at charlescurley.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:31:09 +0200
> Guus Bonnema <gbonnema at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> > Where should I put the archive to make the files show up in claws?
> > What is the right directory?
> 
> Try dropping the contents of the archive into ~/Mail.
> 
> 

Yep, that was it. After rebuild folders I could see
and access my archive.

Thanks, Charles!

Guus.


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 12 17:09:57 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:09:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2697] New: [PATCH] Fix segfault in parse_parameters()
Message-ID: <bug-2697-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2697

           Summary: [PATCH] Fix segfault in parse_parameters()
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: mikhefr at gmail.com


Created an attachment (id=1127)
 --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1127)
fix-procmime.patch

Can be reproduced with something like this in header:

Content-Type: application/msword; name=
       
"=?UTF-8?B?0JzQtdGC0L7QtNC40LrQsCDRgtC10YHRgtC40YDQvtCy0LDQvdC40Y8g0J/QniDQnw==?=
 =?UTF-8?B?0JDQmiAn0KHQvtCx0L7Qu9GMJyDQvdCwINCe0KEgQWx0IExpbnV4IDYuZG9j?="
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
       
filename*0*="UTF-8''%D0%9C%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0%20%D1";
       
filename*1*="%82%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0";
       
filename*2*="%B8%D1%8F%20%D0%9F%D0%9E%20%D0%9F%D0%90%D0%9A%20%27%D0%A1%D0";
       
filename*3*="%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%27%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%9E%D0%A1";
        filename*4*="%20%41%6C%74%20%4C%69%6E%75%78%20%36%2E%64%6F%63"

I'll try to show what happens:
In the convlist was added 'tmpattr' (e.g. "filename" in this case).
But it tries to find 'down_attr' in the convlist ("filename*n").
There is no such entry and "filename" will be added again and so on.
At last there is segfault in the line 1776 (lang = strchr(charset, '\''), where
is charset=NULL).

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From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Thu Jul 12 18:00:01 2012
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:00:01 -0400
Subject: [Users] Notification plugin
Message-ID: <20120712120001.71d3f05c@debian.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>

I have Claws 3.7.6 installed on Debian (their package).  The
Notification plugin is displaying two notifications at the upper right
of the screen when there is new e-mail, sometimes both have different
text, other times they both display the same information.

Is this a bug that has been fixed in a subsequent release?  

(I know 3.7.6 will be replaced with the version currently being tested
with the next Debian release.)

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From j_deutsch at web.de  Thu Jul 12 21:54:33 2012
From: j_deutsch at web.de (Johannes Deutsch)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:54:33 +0200
Subject: [Users] make attachment-bar of mail-viewer visible again
Message-ID: <20120712215433.17f151e3@web.de>

Hi all,

recently i switched from evolution to claws-mail 3.8.0 and i'm quite
impressed of it's speed, the filtering system, the rss plugin...

But there have been something, that gone wrong and i need your help.

For quite some time now i'm missing the bar, that lists the attachments
in the mail-viewer. Some day i have switched this feature of, by
clicking at the top of the bar. Since then, i can't find a way to
make this bar visible again. Maybe someone of you experts can give me a
hint!?

With best regards

Johannes


From mailinglists at gusnan.se  Thu Jul 12 22:17:13 2012
From: mailinglists at gusnan.se (Andreas =?UTF-8?B?UsO2bm5xdWlzdA==?=)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:17:13 +0200
Subject: [Users] make attachment-bar of mail-viewer visible again
In-Reply-To: <20120712215433.17f151e3@web.de>
References: <20120712215433.17f151e3@web.de>
Message-ID: <20120712221713.198f2dbd@debian.localdomain>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:54:33 +0200
Johannes Deutsch <j_deutsch at web.de> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> recently i switched from evolution to claws-mail 3.8.0 and i'm quite
> impressed of it's speed, the filtering system, the rss plugin...
> 
> But there have been something, that gone wrong and i need your help.
> 
> For quite some time now i'm missing the bar, that lists the
> attachments in the mail-viewer. Some day i have switched this feature
> of, by clicking at the top of the bar. Since then, i can't find a way
> to make this bar visible again. Maybe someone of you experts can give
> me a hint!?
> 

There is an arrow to the right of the message text (Well, in my case it
is just a "Smaller-Than" sign) - If you press this sign you switch
between having the attachments listed above the message, to having just
icons representing the parts (and attachments) listed to the right of
the message text.

It is visible on this image:

http://www.claws-mail.org/img/screenshots/messageview.png

(There however, it is a button, which it isn't here, here it is just an
arrow).

I hope I have made it simpler for you to find it - it is kind of hard
to put into words.. :)

best regards
/Andreas


From j_deutsch at web.de  Thu Jul 12 23:05:35 2012
From: j_deutsch at web.de (Johannes Deutsch)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 23:05:35 +0200
Subject: [Users] make attachment-bar of mail-viewer visible again
In-Reply-To: <20120712221713.198f2dbd@debian.localdomain>
References: <20120712215433.17f151e3@web.de>
	<20120712221713.198f2dbd@debian.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20120712230535.3ca2440e@web.de>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 22:17:13 +0200
Andreas Rönnquist <mailinglists at gusnan.se> wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:54:33 +0200
> Johannes Deutsch <j_deutsch at web.de> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > recently i switched from evolution to claws-mail 3.8.0 and i'm quite
> > impressed of it's speed, the filtering system, the rss plugin...
> > 
> > But there have been something, that gone wrong and i need your help.
> > 
> > For quite some time now i'm missing the bar, that lists the
> > attachments in the mail-viewer. Some day i have switched this
> > feature of, by clicking at the top of the bar. Since then, i can't
> > find a way to make this bar visible again. Maybe someone of you
> > experts can give me a hint!?
> > 
> 
> There is an arrow to the right of the message text (Well, in my case
> it is just a "Smaller-Than" sign) - If you press this sign you switch
> between having the attachments listed above the message, to having
> just icons representing the parts (and attachments) listed to the
> right of the message text.
> 
> It is visible on this image:
> 
> http://www.claws-mail.org/img/screenshots/messageview.png
> 
> (There however, it is a button, which it isn't here, here it is just
> an arrow).
> 
> I hope I have made it simpler for you to find it - it is kind of hard
> to put into words.. :)

First of all thank you very much for your fast answer and the detailed
explanation. 

But i forgot to mention that i actually mean the attachment bar in the
embedded mail-viewer in the main-window (see:
http://www-stud.uni-due.de/~sejodeut/data/Selection_010.png). I could
swear that i see this bar some time ago.

Sorry, that i set you on the wrong track.

> 
> best regards
> /Andreas
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
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From berndth at gmx.de  Thu Jul 12 20:32:38 2012
From: berndth at gmx.de (Holger Berndt)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:32:38 +0200
Subject: [Users] Notification plugin
In-Reply-To: <20120712120001.71d3f05c@debian.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
References: <20120712120001.71d3f05c@debian.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20120712203238.1d150f50@wodan>

On Do, 12.07.2012 12:00, edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:

>I have Claws 3.7.6 installed on Debian (their package).  The
>Notification plugin is displaying two notifications at the upper right
>of the screen when there is new e-mail, sometimes both have different
>text, other times they both display the same information.

The plugin offers the possibility to have a popup, and/or to attach a
bubble to the tray icon. Maybe you have both activated.

Holger


From sylpheed-claws-users at lists.evervoid.net  Thu Jul 12 23:49:13 2012
From: sylpheed-claws-users at lists.evervoid.net (Stephan Braun)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 23:49:13 +0200
Subject: [Users] make attachment-bar of mail-viewer visible again
In-Reply-To: <20120712230535.3ca2440e@web.de>
References: <20120712215433.17f151e3@web.de>
	<20120712221713.198f2dbd@debian.localdomain>
	<20120712230535.3ca2440e@web.de>
Message-ID: <20120712234913.2f113e58@stargazer>

Mahlzeit!

Johannes Deutsch (12.07.2012, 23:05:35):
>But i forgot to mention that i actually mean the attachment bar in the
>embedded mail-viewer in the main-window (see:
>http://www-stud.uni-due.de/~sejodeut/data/Selection_010.png). I could
>swear that i see this bar some time ago.

On your screenshot, right above the green text (…lists.sourceforge…)
there is a dotted handle, grab it and putt it down. The
attachement-list should show up and then you can use the arrow on the
right to switch to the sidebar again.

cheers,
Steve


From berndth at gmx.de  Thu Jul 12 23:49:58 2012
From: berndth at gmx.de (Holger Berndt)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 23:49:58 +0200
Subject: [Users] make attachment-bar of mail-viewer visible again
In-Reply-To: <20120712230535.3ca2440e@web.de>
References: <20120712215433.17f151e3@web.de>
	<20120712221713.198f2dbd@debian.localdomain>
	<20120712230535.3ca2440e@web.de>
Message-ID: <20120712234958.0c339ea7@wodan>

On Do, 12.07.2012 23:05, Johannes Deutsch wrote:

>But i forgot to mention that i actually mean the attachment bar in the
>embedded mail-viewer in the main-window (see:
>http://www-stud.uni-due.de/~sejodeut/data/Selection_010.png). I could
>swear that i see this bar some time ago.
>
>Sorry, that i set you on the wrong track.

I would suspect that he was actually on the right track, and that you
clicked the arrow to put the attachments on the top of the message
view. Then, you resized the vertical pane such that the attachments are
not visible anymore. Check for a pane resize grip at the top of the
message view.

Holger


From j_deutsch at web.de  Fri Jul 13 00:08:17 2012
From: j_deutsch at web.de (Johannes Deutsch)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 00:08:17 +0200
Subject: [Users] make attachment-bar of mail-viewer visible again
In-Reply-To: <20120712234913.2f113e58@stargazer>
References: <20120712215433.17f151e3@web.de>
	<20120712221713.198f2dbd@debian.localdomain>
	<20120712230535.3ca2440e@web.de>
	<20120712234913.2f113e58@stargazer>
Message-ID: <20120713000817.31f468d2@web.de>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 23:49:13 +0200
"Stephan Braun" <sylpheed-claws-users at lists.evervoid.net> wrote:

> Mahlzeit!
> 
> Johannes Deutsch (12.07.2012, 23:05:35):
> >But i forgot to mention that i actually mean the attachment bar in
> >the embedded mail-viewer in the main-window (see:
> >http://www-stud.uni-due.de/~sejodeut/data/Selection_010.png). I could
> >swear that i see this bar some time ago.
> 
> On your screenshot, right above the green text (…lists.sourceforge…)
> there is a dotted handle, grab it and putt it down. The
> attachement-list should show up and then you can use the arrow on the
> right to switch to the sidebar again.
> 

You just made my day! After i grabbed the dotted handle and pressed the
">" sign the attachment bar appeared at the familiar position again.

Phew, i must learn to describe a problem more precise. Sorry guys for
that and thank you all

> cheers,
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
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From insomniactoo at localnet.com  Fri Jul 13 01:45:18 2012
From: insomniactoo at localnet.com (insomniactoo at localnet.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:45:18 -0500
Subject: [Users] A suggestion for a feature...
Message-ID: <20120712184518.5b5dec7a@oogah>

  Hi folks,

  I was wondering how hard it would be to implement into Claws this idea:

  When going into a folder after having downloaded any e-mail to it, if one has
  Claws set to automatically open to threaded view, if one could click on the
  small black spot on the corner of a thread to close up all those posts to
  that thread and then when you click on 'trash', it deletes *all* the posts in
  that particular thread instead of opening it back up and having to one-by-one
  click 'trash' for each post/e-mail. It's a real time saver for me in kmail
  and it'd sure be nice to have it in Claws (I still don't use kmail anymore
  since I got Claws, but it's a feature I'd like to see in Claws).

  Thanks,

  John


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From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Fri Jul 13 02:34:46 2012
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:34:46 -0400
Subject: [Users] Notification plugin
In-Reply-To: <20120712203238.1d150f50@wodan>
References: <20120712120001.71d3f05c@debian.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
	<20120712203238.1d150f50@wodan>
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:32:38 +0200
Holger Berndt <berndth at gmx.de> wrote:

> On Do, 12.07.2012 12:00, edwardp at linuxmail.org wrote:
> 
> >I have Claws 3.7.6 installed on Debian (their package).  The
> >Notification plugin is displaying two notifications at the upper
> >right of the screen when there is new e-mail, sometimes both have
> >different text, other times they both display the same information.
> 
> The plugin offers the possibility to have a popup, and/or to attach a
> bubble to the tray icon. Maybe you have both activated.
> 
> Holger

I looked at the Preferences for that plugin.  On the Popup tab, Enable
Popup is checked, but on the SysTrayicon tab, there is another checkbox
labeled Enable Popup under Passive Toaster Popup, this was also checked
by default.  Nothing listed about a bubble.

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From mir at miras.org  Fri Jul 13 03:27:22 2012
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 03:27:22 +0200
Subject: [Users] Notification plugin
In-Reply-To: <20120712203446.18ddf892@debian.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:34:46 -0400
<edwardp at linuxmail.org> wrote:

> 
> I looked at the Preferences for that plugin.  On the Popup tab, Enable
> Popup is checked, but on the SysTrayicon tab, there is another checkbox
> labeled Enable Popup under Passive Toaster Popup, this was also checked
> by default.  Nothing listed about a bubble.
> 
There you have the cause to the behavior, only one of them should be
enabled at the time.

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From sylpheed-claws-users at lists.evervoid.net  Fri Jul 13 09:04:52 2012
From: sylpheed-claws-users at lists.evervoid.net (Stephan Braun)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:04:52 +0200
Subject: [Users] A suggestion for a feature...
In-Reply-To: <20120712184518.5b5dec7a@oogah>
References: <20120712184518.5b5dec7a@oogah>
Message-ID: <20120713090452.0aa5b5ce@stargazer>

Mahlzeit!

insomniactoo at localnet.com (12.07.2012, 18:45:18):
> close up all those posts to that thread and then when you click on
> 'trash', it deletes *all* the posts in that particular thread instead
> of opening it back up and having to one-by-one click 'trash' for each
> post/e-mail.

You may want to use "Edit->select thread".

cheers,
Steve


From gbonnema at xs4all.nl  Fri Jul 13 09:21:17 2012
From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (Guus Bonnema)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:21:17 +0200
Subject: [Users] A suggestion for a feature...
In-Reply-To: <20120713090452.0aa5b5ce@stargazer>
References: <20120712184518.5b5dec7a@oogah> <20120713090452.0aa5b5ce@stargazer>
Message-ID: <20120713092117.03d38c66@mahatma>

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:04:52 +0200
"Stephan Braun" <sylpheed-claws-users at lists.evervoid.net> wrote:

> Mahlzeit!
> 
> insomniactoo at localnet.com (12.07.2012, 18:45:18):
> > close up all those posts to that thread and then when you click on
> > 'trash', it deletes *all* the posts in that particular thread
> > instead of opening it back up and having to one-by-one click
> > 'trash' for each post/e-mail.
> 
> You may want to use "Edit->select thread".
> 
> cheers,
> Steve
Using "Edit-> select thread" is a workaround, and if the thread is
expanded it's not even an extra action. Still, it does make sense to
select a thread when it is not expanded and then trash the whole thing.

Is it difficult to implement?

Guus Bonnema.


From seelenhirt at gmx.net  Fri Jul 13 15:26:26 2012
From: seelenhirt at gmx.net (seelenhirt)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:26:26 +0200
Subject: [Users] filtering rule
Message-ID: <20120713152626.7b99cbdb@eris.sumpf>

Hi 

I try to create a filter/processing rule with the condition: Filter when
recipient is x and x is the ONLY recipient of this mail.
Someone has a hint how to solve this?

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From cwallace at lodgingcompany.com  Fri Jul 13 21:36:13 2012
From: cwallace at lodgingcompany.com (Chad Wallace)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 12:36:13 -0700
Subject: [Users] A suggestion for a feature...
In-Reply-To: <20120713092117.03d38c66@mahatma>
References: <20120712184518.5b5dec7a@oogah> <20120713090452.0aa5b5ce@stargazer>
	<20120713092117.03d38c66@mahatma>
Message-ID: <20120713123613.197851a4@ws78.int.tlc>

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:21:17 +0200
Guus Bonnema <gbonnema at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:04:52 +0200
> "Stephan Braun" <sylpheed-claws-users at lists.evervoid.net> wrote:
> 
> > insomniactoo at localnet.com (12.07.2012, 18:45:18):
> > > close up all those posts to that thread and then when you click on
> > > 'trash', it deletes *all* the posts in that particular thread
> > > instead of opening it back up and having to one-by-one click
> > > 'trash' for each post/e-mail.
> > 
> > You may want to use "Edit->select thread".

> Using "Edit-> select thread" is a workaround, and if the thread is
> expanded it's not even an extra action. Still, it does make sense to
> select a thread when it is not expanded and then trash the whole
> thing.
> 
> Is it difficult to implement?

Why not skip a step and use Edit -> Delete thread?  I've got it
assigned to Shift-Ctrl-E.  Works like a charm.

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From insomniactoo at localnet.com  Fri Jul 13 23:42:13 2012
From: insomniactoo at localnet.com (insomniactoo at localnet.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:42:13 -0500
Subject: [Users] A suggestion for a feature...
In-Reply-To: <20120713123613.197851a4@ws78.int.tlc>
References: <20120712184518.5b5dec7a@oogah> <20120713090452.0aa5b5ce@stargazer>
	<20120713092117.03d38c66@mahatma>
	<20120713123613.197851a4@ws78.int.tlc>
Message-ID: <20120713164213.00cc5080@oogah>

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 12:36:13 -0700
Chad Wallace <cwallace at lodgingcompany.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:21:17 +0200
> Guus Bonnema <gbonnema at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:04:52 +0200
> > "Stephan Braun" <sylpheed-claws-users at lists.evervoid.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > insomniactoo at localnet.com (12.07.2012, 18:45:18):
> > > > close up all those posts to that thread and then when you click on
> > > > 'trash', it deletes *all* the posts in that particular thread
> > > > instead of opening it back up and having to one-by-one click
> > > > 'trash' for each post/e-mail.
> > > 
> > > You may want to use "Edit->select thread".
> 
> > Using "Edit-> select thread" is a workaround, and if the thread is
> > expanded it's not even an extra action. Still, it does make sense to
> > select a thread when it is not expanded and then trash the whole
> > thing.
> > 
> > Is it difficult to implement?
> 
> Why not skip a step and use Edit -> Delete thread?  I've got it
> assigned to Shift-Ctrl-E.  Works like a charm.
> 

Because it's still easier, one step less, zero keys (especially multiple like
yours!), to just close it (the thread) or have it so threads don't automatically
open, and just click *once* - trash.

Your way is fine, for you...I don't remember key things well and multiple keys
is out of the question, when it's so much simpler to click trash once and be
done. Unless this kind of implementation is really hard, I suppose I'll have
to go with the 'edit -> delete thread' thing, it's just a bummer but not
something that will make me stop using Claws mail.

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From gbonnema at xs4all.nl  Sat Jul 14 09:41:48 2012
From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (Guus Bonnema)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:41:48 +0200
Subject: [Users] A suggestion for a feature...
In-Reply-To: <20120713123613.197851a4@ws78.int.tlc>
References: <20120712184518.5b5dec7a@oogah> <20120713090452.0aa5b5ce@stargazer>
	<20120713092117.03d38c66@mahatma>
	<20120713123613.197851a4@ws78.int.tlc>
Message-ID: <20120714094148.5adf0868@mahatma>

On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 12:36:13 -0700
Chad Wallace <cwallace at lodgingcompany.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:21:17 +0200
> Guus Bonnema <gbonnema at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:04:52 +0200
> > "Stephan Braun" <sylpheed-claws-users at lists.evervoid.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > insomniactoo at localnet.com (12.07.2012, 18:45:18):
> > > > close up all those posts to that thread and then when you click
> > > > on 'trash', it deletes *all* the posts in that particular thread
> > > > instead of opening it back up and having to one-by-one click
> > > > 'trash' for each post/e-mail.
> > > 
> > > You may want to use "Edit->select thread".
> 
> > Using "Edit-> select thread" is a workaround, and if the thread is
> > expanded it's not even an extra action. Still, it does make sense to
> > select a thread when it is not expanded and then trash the whole
> > thing.
> > 
> > Is it difficult to implement?
> 
> Why not skip a step and use Edit -> Delete thread?  I've got it
> assigned to Shift-Ctrl-E.  Works like a charm.
> 
Yep, Found that out yesterday too. Assigning it to a key is a nice
touch, will do that as well. 

I suspect my history with thunderbird made me biassed towards the
solution of deleting a conversation. Now that I switched to claws, I
will adjust to the claws way of doing things.

Thanks for the tip.

Guus Bonnema.


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul 14 11:07:37 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:07:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2698] New: Subject From Date is not translated to
	german
Message-ID: <bug-2698-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2698

           Summary: Subject From Date is not translated to german
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message List
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: tobias.powalowski at googlemail.com


The main message view does not translate to german.
Also the fast filter is affected by this too.

greetigns
tpowa

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul 14 11:10:34 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:10:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2699] New: Attachements flag is only shown on mail
 which was selected
Message-ID: <bug-2699-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2699

           Summary: Attachements flag is only shown on mail which was
                    selected
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message List
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: tobias.powalowski at googlemail.com


Hi,
The attachement flag is only shown when a mail was selected to read,
this makes it impossible to sort a folder to get only mails with attachements,
because the state is lost on every restart of the program.

greetings
tpowa

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul 14 11:28:04 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:28:04 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2700] New: Queue and INBOX is not translated into
	German
Message-ID: <bug-2700-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2700

           Summary: Queue and INBOX is not translated into German
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Folders/IMAP
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: tobias.powalowski at googlemail.com


Queue is not translated to Postausgang
INBOX is not translated to Posteingang

It's a googlemail imap account.

greetings
tpowa

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul 14 12:30:27 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 12:30:27 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2641] 7bit or 8bit encoded attachments can have lines
 longer than 998 characters
In-Reply-To: <bug-2641-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2641-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120714103027.60A6C85457@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2641


madroach+claws at gmerlin.de changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Version|3.8.1                       |CVS
         OS/Version|OpenBSD                     |All




--- Comment #5 from madroach+claws  2012-07-14 12:30:26 ---
Hi,
I built latest cvs patched and unpatched. In both cases I
CANNOT reproduce partial message loss. Only when autowrapping is turned
on I get additional newlines inserted. This seems to be the expected
behavior and is NOT dependent on my patchset.
Can you confirm that you are able to reproduce partial message loss? Maybe you
can track down where the message loss occurs by looking at your local folders
where the queued message is stored and see whether that is intact.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul 14 14:30:26 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 14:30:26 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2698] Subject From Date is not translated to german
In-Reply-To: <bug-2698-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2698-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120714123026.4BF5585457@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2698


Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |INVALID




--- Comment #1 from Paul  2012-07-14 14:30:25 ---
There's an option 'Translate header names' on the Display/Summaries page.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul 14 14:32:48 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 14:32:48 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2699] Attachements flag is only shown on mail which
 was selected
In-Reply-To: <bug-2699-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2699-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120714123248.F0FEF85457@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2699


Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |WONTFIX




--- Comment #1 from Paul  2012-07-14 14:32:48 ---
Not only when selecting a mail, but also when filtering (under certain
conditions). This is by design, The state is also not lost on every restart.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul 14 14:33:47 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 14:33:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2700] Queue and INBOX is not translated into German
In-Reply-To: <bug-2700-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2700-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120714123347.098ED85457@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2700


Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |INVALID




--- Comment #1 from Paul  2012-07-14 14:33:46 ---
it's the actual name of the mail folders - not translatable.

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From mailinglists at gusnan.se  Sat Jul 14 15:48:04 2012
From: mailinglists at gusnan.se (Andreas =?UTF-8?B?UsO2bm5xdWlzdA==?=)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 15:48:04 +0200
Subject: [Users] Translation problems in the plugins?
Message-ID: <20120714154804.38d0571f@debian.localdomain>

Hey

I have run into some translation problems regarding the plugins - I am
not sure if it is at me locally, if it is related to what is described
in the thread

"[Users] ngettext in rssyl not works?"

here on the users mailinglist, or something else:

In the fancy plugin:

In fancy_create_popup_prefs_menu
at fancy_viewer.c:583 , there are some strings which I believe are
affected. (The entire popup menu reachable by a button below the
HTML view - They however get properly translated in the Configuration
-> properties for the Fancy Plugin)  

see
http://www.gusnan.se/claws/fancy_translations.png
(Can anyone reproduce this?)

and in rssyl I have noted this:

The folder for the feeds is called "My Feeds (RSSyl)" even though the
string is translated in po-file. (It is the last string in the po file).

Any hints or tips?

/Andreas Rönnquist
gusnan at gusnan.se
mailinglists at gusnan.se


From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Sat Jul 14 22:26:56 2012
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:26:56 -0400
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail on older PC
Message-ID: <20120714162656.0e81ecc2@debian.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>

I have Debian 6 (Squeeze) installed on an older (built 1999) Compaq
desktop with an AMD Athlon CPU (600 MHz) and installed Claws Mail on it.

Claws runs circles around Thunderbird on this machine!  I can't believe
how fast it is.  :)

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From rezso at rezso.net  Sat Jul 14 23:04:36 2012
From: rezso at rezso.net (=?UTF-8?B?UMOhZGVyIFJlenPFkQ==?=)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:04:36 +0200
Subject: [Users] Translation problems in the plugins?
In-Reply-To: <20120714154804.38d0571f@debian.localdomain>
References: <20120714154804.38d0571f@debian.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20120714230436.6328b55f@papi.home>

Hi Andreas,

> see
> http://www.gusnan.se/claws/fancy_translations.png
> (Can anyone reproduce this?)

yes, same problem in Hungarian: the popup menu of fancy not uses
the translations.
 
> and in rssyl I have noted this:
> 
> The folder for the feeds is called "My Feeds (RSSyl)" even though the
> string is translated in po-file. (It is the last string in the po file).

This folder name translated for me, to „Hírforrásaim (RSS)”, so the
translation works here.


Regards,

rezso
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From mailinglists at gusnan.se  Sat Jul 14 23:35:39 2012
From: mailinglists at gusnan.se (Andreas =?UTF-8?B?UsO2bm5xdWlzdA==?=)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:35:39 +0200
Subject: [Users] Translation problems in the plugins?
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:04:36 +0200
Páder Rezső <rezso at rezso.net> wrote:

> Hi Andreas,
> 
> > see
> > http://www.gusnan.se/claws/fancy_translations.png
> > (Can anyone reproduce this?)
> 
> yes, same problem in Hungarian: the popup menu of fancy not uses
> the translations.

Thanks - Then it's not just me. :)

>  
> > and in rssyl I have noted this:
> > 
> > The folder for the feeds is called "My Feeds (RSSyl)" even though
> > the string is translated in po-file. (It is the last string in the
> > po file).
> 
> This folder name translated for me, to „Hírforrásaim (RSS)”, so the
> translation works here.
> 

Alright, seems like it is something that is stored in some config file
then - Might very well be that when I created the rssyl folder it got
the English name, and it has stuck since then.

best regards
/Andreas
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From rezso at rezso.net  Sun Jul 15 00:12:25 2012
From: rezso at rezso.net (=?UTF-8?B?UMOhZGVyIFJlenPFkQ==?=)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 00:12:25 +0200
Subject: [Users] Translation problems in the plugins?
In-Reply-To: <20120714233539.29c7d5ac@debian.localdomain>
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	<20120714230436.6328b55f@papi.home>
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Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:35:39 +0200 -n
Andreas Rönnquist <mailinglists at gusnan.se> írta:

> Alright, seems like it is something that is stored in some config file
> then - Might very well be that when I created the rssyl folder it got
> the English name, and it has stuck since then.

Yes, the folder name stored in two config files:
~/.claws-mail/folderlist.xml, and folderitemrc. 

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Rezső


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 00:50:06 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 00:50:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2701] New: vCalendar timezone and display
Message-ID: <bug-2701-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2701

           Summary: vCalendar timezone and display
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: CVS
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Other
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: pf at pfortin.com


3.8.1cvs14 vCalendar

When I open vCalendar, everything looks OK (screen shot 1).  Then I click to
expand the display which begins a series of issues.

Issue 1: display start time remains at 08:00; but a number of hours are
repeated at the bottom (screen shot 2). Note that timezone is OK for items with
specific start/stop times; but timezone is not respected for full-day items.

Issue 2: if I open Preferences (over the calendar), or another window, or slide
one over the calendar, the lower part of the display blanks.  This is probably
what vCalendar should look like instead of the repeated entries in Issue 1
above.

Issue 3: scrolling calendar shows entire day (00-23) which looks better, except
for timezone issue on full-day items.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 00:51:14 2012
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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 00:51:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2701] vCalendar timezone and display
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--- Comment #1 from Pierre Fortin  2012-07-15 00:51:14 ---
Created an attachment (id=1128)
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initial vCalendar display

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 00:52:05 2012
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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 00:52:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2701] vCalendar timezone and display
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--- Comment #2 from Pierre Fortin  2012-07-15 00:52:04 ---
Created an attachment (id=1129)
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duplicate entries and wrong timezone

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 00:55:05 2012
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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 00:55:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2701] vCalendar timezone and display
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--- Comment #3 from Pierre Fortin  2012-07-15 00:55:04 ---
Created an attachment (id=1130)
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Wrong timezone

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 00:56:20 2012
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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 00:56:20 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2701] vCalendar timezone and display
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--- Comment #4 from Pierre Fortin  2012-07-15 00:56:20 ---
Created an attachment (id=1131)
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scrolled looks better except for timezone

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 05:31:43 2012
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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 05:31:43 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2701] vCalendar timezone and display
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2701


Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 05:41:03 2012
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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 05:41:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2686] Show newsgroups in the header pane
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 05:54:01 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 05:54:01 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2694] Claws freezes when creating new mail folder
In-Reply-To: <bug-2694-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2694


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--- Comment #2 from Paul  2012-07-15 05:54:01 ---
I guess 3.8.0 works fine on ubuntu lucid also? It all works fine for me under
ubuntu precise. It could be a GTK theme issue - there was a bug in the
oxygen-gtk GTK+ theme, (which is now fixed), were you using this theme?
Is this still reproducible for you?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 05:55:17 2012
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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 05:55:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2691] After click the Browse button of Account
 Preference dialog,
 Select Folder dialog pop up behind the Account Preference dialog.
In-Reply-To: <bug-2691-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 05:56:07 2012
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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 05:56:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2689] segfault when trying to view info about
	pgp/smime sign
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 06:13:03 2012
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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 06:13:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2687] Unable to clean an mbox mailbox
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--- Comment #1 from Paul  2012-07-15 06:13:03 ---
Thanks for your contribution.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 06:15:37 2012
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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 06:15:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2663] sigsegv segmentation fault while filtering new
 emails (plugin/perl_plugin)
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 09:20:37 2012
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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 09:20:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2697] [PATCH] Fix segfault in parse_parameters()
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--- Comment #1 from users  2012-07-15 09:20:36 ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest CVS and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://www.claws-mail.org/tracker/

2012-07-15 [wwp]    3.8.1cvs15

    * src/procmime.c
        Fix bug 2697, thanks to Mikhail Efremov (wrong list ptr used).

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 09:21:54 2012
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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 09:21:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2697] [PATCH] Fix segfault in parse_parameters()
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--- Comment #2 from wwp  2012-07-15 09:21:53 ---
Thanks Mikhail!

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 15 19:02:00 2012
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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:02:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2600] Claws Mail crashes showing GPG signature
	information
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Kyrill Detinov <lazy.kent at opensuse.org> changed:

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         Resolution|                            |DUPLICATE




--- Comment #4 from Kyrill Detinov  2012-07-15 19:01:58 ---
Fixed in #2689

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 2689 ***

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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:02:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2689] segfault when trying to view info about
	pgp/smime sign
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--- Comment #4 from Kyrill Detinov  2012-07-15 19:01:58 ---
*** Bug 2600 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 16 11:46:20 2012
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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:46:20 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2101] claws-mail crash at mail sending
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--- Comment #9 from pete  2012-07-16 11:46:19 ---
I have a similar problem that has just started when trying to send mail i get
this report



Claws Mail version 3.8.1
GTK+ version 2.24.10 / GLib 2.32.3
Locale: en_GB.UTF-8 (charset: UTF-8)
Features: IPv6 iconv compface GnuTLS LDAP JPilot GNU/aspell libetpan libSM
Operating system: Linux 3.4.4-3-ARCH (x86_64)
C Library: GNU libc 2.16
--
[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
Using host libthread_db library "/lib/libthread_db.so.1".
[New Thread 0x7ff937a8d700 (LWP 1251)]
0x00007ff948a3bd67 in waitpid () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#0  0x00007ff948a3bd67 in waitpid () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#1  0x000000000047fe6b in ?? ()
No symbol table info available.
#2  <signal handler called>
No symbol table info available.
#3  0x00007ff9473c9c39 in __strcasecmp_l_sse2 () from /lib/libc.so.6
No symbol table info available.
#4  0x00007ff948f3a594 in gnutls_mac_get_id () from /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.28
No symbol table info available.
#5  0x00007ff948ebcfbb in gnutls_priority_init () from /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.28
No symbol table info available.
#6  0x00007ff948ebe40b in gnutls_priority_set_direct () from
/usr/lib/libgnutls.so.28
No symbol table info available.
#7  0x00000000005d823c in ssl_init_socket_with_method ()
No symbol table info available.
#8  0x00000000005d2a1f in ?? ()
No symbol table info available.
#9  0x00000000005d70c7 in ?? ()
No symbol table info available.
#10 0x00007ff947cde4a5 in g_main_context_dispatch () from
/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#11 0x00007ff947cde7d8 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#12 0x00007ff947cde894 in g_main_context_iteration () from
/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#13 0x00007ff94a33a841 in gtk_main_iteration () from
/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#14 0x000000000054b3cd in send_message_smtp_full ()
No symbol table info available.
#15 0x00000000005418c4 in ?? ()
No symbol table info available.
#16 0x0000000000542a26 in procmsg_send_queue ()
No symbol table info available.
#17 0x0000000000576b8c in send_queue_cb ()
No symbol table info available.
#18 0x00007ff947f9aee4 in g_closure_invoke () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#19 0x00007ff947fabf70 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#20 0x00007ff947fb3eec in g_signal_emit_valist () from
/usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#21 0x00007ff947fb4082 in g_signal_emit () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#22 0x00007ff94a27afc3 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#23 0x00007ff947f9aee4 in g_closure_invoke () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#24 0x00007ff947fab893 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#25 0x00007ff947fb3eec in g_signal_emit_valist () from
/usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#26 0x00007ff947fb4082 in g_signal_emit () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#27 0x00007ff94a45536e in gtk_widget_activate () from
/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#28 0x00007ff94a35057d in gtk_menu_shell_activate_item () from
/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#29 0x00007ff94a350917 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#30 0x00007ff94a33d0f8 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#31 0x00007ff947f9aee4 in g_closure_invoke () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#32 0x00007ff947fabcf0 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#33 0x00007ff947fb3b0b in g_signal_emit_valist () from
/usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#34 0x00007ff947fb4082 in g_signal_emit () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#35 0x00007ff94a456171 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#36 0x00007ff94a33b283 in gtk_propagate_event () from
/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#37 0x00007ff94a33b5e3 in gtk_main_do_event () from
/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#38 0x00007ff949fb084c in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#39 0x00007ff947cde4a5 in g_main_context_dispatch () from
/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#40 0x00007ff947cde7d8 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#41 0x00007ff947cdebd2 in g_main_loop_run () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#42 0x00007ff94a33a637 in gtk_main () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
No symbol table info available.
#43 0x0000000000446b5c in main ()
No symbol table info available.
Kill the program being debugged? (y or n) [answered Y; input not from terminal]

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From seelenhirt at gmx.net  Mon Jul 16 18:30:08 2012
From: seelenhirt at gmx.net (seelenhirt)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:30:08 +0200
Subject: [Users] *** GMX Spamverdacht ***  filtering rule
In-Reply-To: <20120713152626.7b99cbdb@eris.sumpf>
References: <20120713152626.7b99cbdb@eris.sumpf>
Message-ID: <20120716183008.74071081@eris.sumpf>

> I try to create a filter/processing rule with the condition: Filter
> when recipient is x and x is the ONLY recipient of this mail.
> Someone has a hint how to solve this?

I found a solution:

to matchcase "recipient at mail.tld" &
~to regexpcase ".*@.*@.*" &
~cc matchcase "@"

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From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Mon Jul 16 18:41:44 2012
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:41:44 -0700
Subject: [Users] Compile 3.8.1 under xubuntu 12.04
Message-ID: <20120716094144.0562644c@from-theboss.911networks.com>

Hi,

I'm trying to compile CM381 under Xubuntu 12.04:

I have build-essentials.... but I get the following error message:

No package 'gtk+-2.0' found

The GTK engines 2.20-2 engines are installed. I do not see a
development module for GTK in Synaptic.

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From mir at miras.org  Mon Jul 16 18:50:12 2012
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:50:12 +0200
Subject: [Users] Compile 3.8.1 under xubuntu 12.04
In-Reply-To: <20120716094144.0562644c@from-theboss.911networks.com>
References: <20120716094144.0562644c@from-theboss.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20120716185012.3cec1d12@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:41:44 -0700
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:

> 
> No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
> 
> The GTK engines 2.20-2 engines are installed. I do not see a
> development module for GTK in Synaptic.
> 
According to this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/gtk+2.0/
the package should be there and have the name libgtk2.0-dev

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From seelenhirt at gmx.net  Mon Jul 16 23:13:11 2012
From: seelenhirt at gmx.net (seelenhirt)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:13:11 +0200
Subject: [Users] Compile 3.8.1 under xubuntu 12.04
In-Reply-To: <20120716185012.3cec1d12@sleipner.datanom.net>
References: <20120716094144.0562644c@from-theboss.911networks.com>
	<20120716185012.3cec1d12@sleipner.datanom.net>
Message-ID: <20120716231311.07d53686@eris.sumpf>

> > 
> > No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
> > 
> > The GTK engines 2.20-2 engines are installed. I do not see a
> > development module for GTK in Synaptic.
> >   
> According to this:
> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/gtk+2.0/ the package
> should be there and have the name libgtk2.0-dev

"sudo apt-get build-dep claws-mail" should install everything you neet
to build claws.



From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 17 01:25:40 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 01:25:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2702] New: Support splitting subject line for small
 screen layout
Message-ID: <bug-2702-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2702

           Summary: Support splitting subject line for small screen layout
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: Other
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message List
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: ben_deering at swissmail.org


When using claws mail on my openmoko freerunner (or openphoenux) I need to use
the small-screen layout.  Allowing splitting the subject field to two lines in
the message list would make the sensitive area where a message can be clicked
bigger and allow more of the subject to be seen.  This is available for the 3
column layout using the two_line_vertical preference.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 17 01:35:03 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 01:35:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2702] Support splitting subject line for small screen
	layout
In-Reply-To: <bug-2702-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2702-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120716233503.A49E385457@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2702


ben_deering at swissmail.org changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Version|3.8.1                       |3.6.1




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From andrej at kacian.sk  Tue Jul 17 12:02:56 2012
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:02:56 +0200
Subject: [Users] *** GMX Spamverdacht ***  filtering rule
In-Reply-To: <20120716183008.74071081@eris.sumpf>
References: <20120713152626.7b99cbdb@eris.sumpf>
	<20120716183008.74071081@eris.sumpf>
Message-ID: <20120717120256.2d5c9546@hiker>

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:30:08 +0200
seelenhirt <seelenhirt at gmx.net> wrote:

> > I try to create a filter/processing rule with the condition: Filter
> > when recipient is x and x is the ONLY recipient of this mail.
> > Someone has a hint how to solve this?
> 
> I found a solution:
> 
> to matchcase "recipient at mail.tld" &
> ~to regexpcase ".*@.*@.*" &
> ~cc matchcase "@"
> 

Ah, that's clever, I didn't think of checking for number of @s. My line
of thinking was more along checking if there is a separator in To
header. :)

-- 
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From seelenhirt at gmx.net  Tue Jul 17 18:39:41 2012
From: seelenhirt at gmx.net (seelenhirt)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:39:41 +0200
Subject: [Users] filtering rule
In-Reply-To: <20120717120256.2d5c9546@hiker>
References: <20120713152626.7b99cbdb@eris.sumpf>
	<20120716183008.74071081@eris.sumpf>
	<20120717120256.2d5c9546@hiker>
Message-ID: <20120717183941.46ca5626@eris.sumpf>

> > to matchcase "recipient at mail.tld" &
> > ~to regexpcase ".*@.*@.*" &
> > ~cc matchcase "@"
> > 
> 
> Ah, that's clever, I didn't think of checking for number of @s. My
> line of thinking was more along checking if there is a separator in To
> header. :)
> 
Right. I could use the following too:

to matchcase "recipient at mail.tld" &
~cc matchcase "," &
~cc matchcase "@"


Problem is that "," and "@" can, under certain circumstances, be part
of the address. But I found the regexp that matches all email
addresses[1] :-)

Regards,

[1] http://code.iamcal.com/php/rfc822/full_regexp.txt


From basosergiou at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 17 23:15:11 2012
From: basosergiou at yahoo.co.uk (Vasilis Serghi)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:15:11 +0100
Subject: [Users] caldav support
Message-ID: <5005D5DF.90408@yahoo.co.uk>

Hi, I am currently using Thunderbird as my email client. I am looking at
Claws as another option given the latest news about Thunderbird.

I have my gmail calender shown in Lightning using a caldav url which I
got from my google account.

When I copy the url from Lightning into the vcalender plugin, it
responds with an error stating that authorisation is required.

Does vcalender support caldav?
-- 
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From andrej at kacian.sk  Tue Jul 17 23:52:53 2012
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:52:53 +0200
Subject: [Users] caldav support
In-Reply-To: <5005D5DF.90408@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <5005D5DF.90408@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20120717235253.6bd0e9e4@hiker>

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:15:11 +0100
Vasilis Serghi <basosergiou at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> I have my gmail calender shown in Lightning using a caldav url which I
> got from my google account.
> 
> When I copy the url from Lightning into the vcalender plugin, it
> responds with an error stating that authorisation is required.

Just a thought - is the URI in format https://host/whatever, or does it
already include user&password, like so:
https://user:password at host/whatever ? If the former, perhaps you need
to add the credentials.

-- 
Andrej


From basosergiou at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jul 18 00:53:53 2012
From: basosergiou at yahoo.co.uk (Vasilis Serghi)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:53:53 +0100
Subject: [Users] caldav support
In-Reply-To: <20120717235253.6bd0e9e4@hiker>
References: <5005D5DF.90408@yahoo.co.uk>
	<20120717235253.6bd0e9e4@hiker>
Message-ID: <20120717235353.38ec8724@linux-home.laptop>

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:52:53 +0200
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:15:11 +0100
> Vasilis Serghi <basosergiou at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > I have my gmail calender shown in Lightning using a caldav url
> > which I got from my google account.
> > 
> > When I copy the url from Lightning into the vcalender plugin, it
> > responds with an error stating that authorisation is required.
> 
> Just a thought - is the URI in format https://host/whatever, or does
> it already include user&password, like so:
> https://user:password at host/whatever ? If the former, perhaps you need
> to add the credentials.
> 

Hi, thanks for the reply. This is the uri as it appears in Lightning

https://www.google.com/calendar/dav/loads-of-digits
and at group.calendar.google.com/events

I have now tried this

https://username:password at www.google.com/calendar/dav/loads-of-digits
and at group.calendar.google.com/events

This time I get an error of (404) Not Found

I tried 

https://username:password at group.calendar.google.com/events

and got a different error

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 18 04:28:43 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 04:28:43 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2694] Claws freezes when creating new mail folder
In-Reply-To: <bug-2694-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2694-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120718022843.A98A2853BB@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2694





--- Comment #3 from Ed Rippy  2012-07-18 04:28:42 ---
-- Yes, installed 3.8.0 on Lucid, able to create new folder fine -- still same
problem in Precise (theme: ambience or radiance). Can size, move, minimize, &
maximize all Claws windows (window mgr ok) but Claws doesn't respond to any
input -- keystrokes, button clicks, "close" box click

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 18 04:33:15 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 04:33:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2694] Claws freezes when creating new mail folder
In-Reply-To: <bug-2694-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2694-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2694





--- Comment #4 from Ed Rippy  2012-07-18 04:33:14 ---
***CORRECTION*** to original post: procedure:
select "Welcome to Claws mail" msg in Inbox
right-click msg, select "Move..." [not "new"]
click "New" button @ bottom of dialog box

-- Sorry for the confusion!

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 18 05:34:54 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 05:34:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2694] Claws freezes when creating new mail folder
In-Reply-To: <bug-2694-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2694-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120718033454.B101C853BB@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2694





--- Comment #5 from Ed Rippy  2012-07-18 05:34:53 ---
More useful information: a backtrace (very long!)

Thread 3 (Thread 0xb5bffb40 (LWP 2875)):
#0  0xb7fdd422 in __kernel_vsyscall ()
#1  0xb745e380 in poll () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
#2  0xb771ea7b in g_poll () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0xb77110ae in ?? () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#4  0xb771156b in g_main_loop_run () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#5  0xb719a1ba in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgio-2.0.so.0
#6  0xb77346b3 in ?? () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#7  0xb7819d4c in start_thread () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0
#8  0xb746cace in clone () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6

Thread 2 (Thread 0xb6583b40 (LWP 2874)):
#0  0xb7fdd424 in __kernel_vsyscall ()
#1  0xb745e380 in poll () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
#2  0xb771ea7b in g_poll () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0xb77110ae in ?? () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#4  0xb771156b in g_main_loop_run () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#5  0xb658b134 in ?? ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gio/modules/libdconfsettings.so
#6  0xb77346b3 in ?? () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#7  0xb7819d4c in start_thread () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0
#8  0xb746cace in clone () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6

Thread 1 (Thread 0xb680c8c0 (LWP 2870)):
#0  0xb7fdd424 in __kernel_vsyscall ()
#1  0xb745e380 in poll () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
#2  0xb771ea7b in g_poll () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#3  0xb77110ae in ?? () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#4  0xb7711201 in g_main_context_iteration ()
   from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#5  0xb7c50df1 in gtk_main_iteration ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#6  0x082a0f9d in input_dialog_open (title=0x82bb53e "New folder", 
    message=0x82bb520 "Input the name of new folder:", checkbtn_label=0x0, 
    default_string=0x82b423d "NewFolder", default_checkbtn_state=0, 
    remember=0x0) at inputdialog.c:450
#7  0x082a135c in input_dialog (title=0x82bb53e "New folder", 
    message=0x82bb520 "Input the name of new folder:", 
    default_string=0x82b423d "NewFolder") at inputdialog.c:108
#8  0x08107f33 in foldersel_new_folder (button=0x852be78, data=0x0)
    at foldersel.c:554
#9  0xb77d2243 in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOIDv ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#10 0xb77d0727 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#11 0xb77e9a29 in g_signal_emit_valist ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#12 0xb77ea453 in g_signal_emit ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#13 0xb7b9421a in gtk_button_clicked ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#14 0xb7b95630 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#15 0xb77d21ec in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#16 0xb77cf2fd in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#17 0xb77d0484 in g_closure_invoke ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#18 0xb77e2535 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#19 0xb77ea2dc in g_signal_emit_valist ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#20 0xb77ea453 in g_signal_emit ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#21 0xb7b9413a in gtk_button_released ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#22 0xb7b94184 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#23 0xb7c538a2 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#24 0xb77cf2fd in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#25 0xb77d03d2 in g_closure_invoke ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#26 0xb77e270d in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#27 0xb77e9ff5 in g_signal_emit_valist ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#28 0xb77ea453 in g_signal_emit ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#29 0xb7d8d413 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#30 0xb7c51a6e in gtk_propagate_event ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#31 0xb7c51e00 in gtk_main_do_event ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#32 0xb7ac3758 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0
#33 0xb7710d86 in g_main_context_dispatch ()
   from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#34 0xb7711125 in ?? () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#35 0xb7711201 in g_main_context_iteration ()
   from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#36 0xb7c50df1 in gtk_main_iteration ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#37 0x08108b4d in foldersel_folder_sel (cur_folder=0x8653dd0, 
    type=FOLDER_SEL_MOVE, default_folder=0x0, can_sel_mailbox=0)
    at foldersel.c:188
#38 0x0820689c in summary_move_to (summaryview=0x857ec20) at summaryview.c:4493
#39 0xb77d21ec in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#40 0xb77d0484 in g_closure_invoke ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#41 0xb77e20d9 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#42 0xb77ea2dc in g_signal_emit_valist ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#43 0xb77ea453 in g_signal_emit ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#44 0xb7b78da6 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#45 0xb7b797ed in gtk_action_activate ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#46 0xb77d21ec in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#47 0xb77cf2fd in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#48 0xb77d0484 in g_closure_invoke ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#49 0xb77e2535 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#50 0xb77ea2dc in g_signal_emit_valist ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#51 0xb77ea453 in g_signal_emit ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#52 0xb7d8c395 in gtk_widget_activate ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#53 0xb7c69667 in gtk_menu_shell_activate_item ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#54 0xb7c69a71 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#55 0xb7c5ccad in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#56 0xb7c538a2 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#57 0xb77cf2fd in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#58 0xb77d0484 in g_closure_invoke ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#59 0xb77e270d in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#60 0xb77e9ff5 in g_signal_emit_valist ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#61 0xb77ea453 in g_signal_emit ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgobject-2.0.so.0
#62 0xb7d8d413 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#63 0xb7c51a6e in gtk_propagate_event ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#64 0xb7c51e00 in gtk_main_do_event ()
   from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#65 0xb7ac3758 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0
#66 0xb7710d86 in g_main_context_dispatch ()
   from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#67 0xb7711125 in ?? () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#68 0xb771156b in g_main_loop_run () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#69 0xb7c50b8f in gtk_main () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#70 0x0807feb7 in main (argc=1, argv=0xbffff3f4) at main.c:1653

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 18 05:52:22 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 05:52:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2694] Claws freezes when creating new mail folder
In-Reply-To: <bug-2694-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2694-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120718035222.ED698853BB@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2694





--- Comment #6 from Ed Rippy  2012-07-18 05:52:22 ---
A couple of other notes: I can create a new folder by right-clicking on an
existing folder and then move or copy the msg to the new folder (& back). Claws
only hangs when I try to create a new folder from within a Move... or Copy...
dialog box.

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From Okrason at okrason.dnsalias.net  Wed Jul 18 11:24:43 2012
From: Okrason at okrason.dnsalias.net (Okra Son)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 05:24:43 -0400
Subject: [Users] Compile 3.8.1 under xubuntu 12.04
In-Reply-To: <20120716231311.07d53686@eris.sumpf>
References: <20120716094144.0562644c@from-theboss.911networks.com>
	<20120716185012.3cec1d12@sleipner.datanom.net>
	<20120716231311.07d53686@eris.sumpf>
Message-ID: <20120718052443.08b357fc@okrason.dnsalias.net>

On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:13:11 +0200
seelenhirt <seelenhirt at gmx.net> wrote:

> > > 
> > > No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
> > > 
> > > The GTK engines 2.20-2 engines are installed. I do not see a
> > > development module for GTK in Synaptic.
> > >   
> > According to this:
> > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/gtk+2.0/ the package
> > should be there and have the name libgtk2.0-dev
> 
> "sudo apt-get build-dep claws-mail" should install everything you neet
> to build claws.
> 
>  . . . 

Tried that on a Mint 13 box (Based on Ubuntu 12.04) with Mate
desktop (Gnome 2 fork):

-------------------------------------------------------
~ # apt-get -Vs build-dep claws-mail
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
~ #
-------------------------------------------------------

Which "'source' URIs" should I add?

By the way, never had this come up on my old Lucid box.  In fact the
version I'm currently running on Mint was compiled on Lucid.

Thank you.

-- 
Okra


From r.brusa at gmx.ch  Wed Jul 18 11:56:50 2012
From: r.brusa at gmx.ch (Roman Brusa)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:56:50 +0200
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.8.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20120627144818.02b68953@thewildbeast>
References: <20120627144818.02b68953@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20120718115650.42457f15@rbits.ch>

Hi, on Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:48:18 +0100, Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk>
wrote:

>27th June 2012                                      Claws Mail 3.8.1
>
>		    CLAWS MAIL  RELEASE NOTES
>                    http://www.claws-mail.org
>		      
>Claws Mail is a GTK+ based, user-friendly, lightweight, and fast 
>email client.

Do we get this also in the PPA for Ubuntu?

Thanks to everybody!

Happy CM-User,
Roman
-- 
So take me as I am - this may mean you'll have to be a stronger man...
- Meredith Brooks


From ricardo at mones.org  Wed Jul 18 17:45:59 2012
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:45:59 +0200
Subject: [Users] Compile 3.8.1 under xubuntu 12.04
In-Reply-To: <20120718052443.08b357fc@okrason.dnsalias.net>
References: <20120716094144.0562644c@from-theboss.911networks.com>
	<20120716185012.3cec1d12@sleipner.datanom.net>
	<20120716231311.07d53686@eris.sumpf>
	<20120718052443.08b357fc@okrason.dnsalias.net>
Message-ID: <20120718174559.10b8b261@busgosu.mones.org>

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 05:24:43 -0400
Okra Son <Okrason at okrason.dnsalias.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:13:11 +0200
> seelenhirt <seelenhirt at gmx.net> wrote:
> 
> > > > 
> > > > No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
> > > > 
> > > > The GTK engines 2.20-2 engines are installed. I do not see a
> > > > development module for GTK in Synaptic.
> > > >   
> > > According to this:
> > > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/gtk+2.0/ the package
> > > should be there and have the name libgtk2.0-dev
> > 
> > "sudo apt-get build-dep claws-mail" should install everything you neet
> > to build claws.
> > 
> >  . . . 
> 
> Tried that on a Mint 13 box (Based on Ubuntu 12.04) with Mate
> desktop (Gnome 2 fork):
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> ~ # apt-get -Vs build-dep claws-mail
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree       
> Reading state information... Done
> E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
> ~ #
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Which "'source' URIs" should I add?
> 
> By the way, never had this come up on my old Lucid box.  In fact the
> version I'm currently running on Mint was compiled on Lucid.

  Source URIs are those starting with deb-src instead deb in
  your /etc/apt/sources.list file. That message means you probably have no
  such lines. Duplicate a "deb ..." lines and change deb by deb-src and
  you should be done. Don't forget to apt-get update after changing
  sources.list.

  regards,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  Never send a human to do a machine's job.               Agent Smith

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From seelenhirt at gmx.net  Wed Jul 18 21:54:36 2012
From: seelenhirt at gmx.net (seelenhirt)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:54:36 +0200
Subject: [Users] Compile 3.8.1 under xubuntu 12.04
In-Reply-To: <20120718174559.10b8b261@busgosu.mones.org>
References: <20120716094144.0562644c@from-theboss.911networks.com>
	<20120716185012.3cec1d12@sleipner.datanom.net>
	<20120716231311.07d53686@eris.sumpf>
	<20120718052443.08b357fc@okrason.dnsalias.net>
	<20120718174559.10b8b261@busgosu.mones.org>
Message-ID: <20120718215436.2e953774@eris.sumpf>

>   Source URIs are those starting with deb-src instead deb in
>   your /etc/apt/sources.list file. That message means you probably
> have no such lines. Duplicate a "deb ..." lines and change deb by
> deb-src and you should be done. Don't forget to apt-get update after
> changing sources.list.
> 
Or you could use the graphical 'software-properties-gtk' and set the
'Source code' tick.

-- 
I do not think -- therefore I am not.


From Okrason at okrason.dnsalias.net  Wed Jul 18 23:54:19 2012
From: Okrason at okrason.dnsalias.net (Okra Son)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:54:19 -0400
Subject: [Users] Compile 3.8.1 under xubuntu 12.04
In-Reply-To: <20120718174559.10b8b261@busgosu.mones.org>
References: <20120716094144.0562644c@from-theboss.911networks.com>
	<20120716185012.3cec1d12@sleipner.datanom.net>
	<20120716231311.07d53686@eris.sumpf>
	<20120718052443.08b357fc@okrason.dnsalias.net>
	<20120718174559.10b8b261@busgosu.mones.org>
Message-ID: <20120718175419.443f0187@okrason.dnsalias.net>

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:45:59 +0200
Ricardo Mones <ricardo at mones.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 05:24:43 -0400
> Okra Son <Okrason at okrason.dnsalias.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:13:11 +0200
> > seelenhirt <seelenhirt at gmx.net> wrote:
> > 
> >  . . . 
> > > 
> > > "sudo apt-get build-dep claws-mail" should install everything you neet
> > > to build claws.
> > > 
> > >  . . . 
> > 
> > Tried that on a Mint 13 box (Based on Ubuntu 12.04) with Mate
> > desktop (Gnome 2 fork):
> > 
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > ~ # apt-get -Vs build-dep claws-mail
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree       
> > Reading state information... Done
> > E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
> > ~ #
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Which "'source' URIs" should I add?
> > 
> > By the way, never had this come up on my old Lucid box.  In fact the
> > version I'm currently running on Mint was compiled on Lucid.
> 
>   Source URIs are those starting with deb-src instead deb in
>   your /etc/apt/sources.list file. That message means you probably have no
>   such lines. Duplicate a "deb ..." lines and change deb by deb-src and
>   you should be done. Don't forget to apt-get update after changing
>   sources.list.
> 
>    . . . 

Thank you Ricardo!

That worked like a charm.

It installed over eighty debs.  I remember installing less than ten
libraries when I first compile C-M with Ubuntu Lucid.  Perhaps Mint is
libraries and utilities challenged when you first install it.

Thanks again.

-- 
Okra


From Okrason at okrason.dnsalias.net  Thu Jul 19 00:01:28 2012
From: Okrason at okrason.dnsalias.net (Okra Son)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:01:28 -0400
Subject: [Users] Compile 3.8.1 under xubuntu 12.04
In-Reply-To: <20120718215436.2e953774@eris.sumpf>
References: <20120716094144.0562644c@from-theboss.911networks.com>
	<20120716185012.3cec1d12@sleipner.datanom.net>
	<20120716231311.07d53686@eris.sumpf>
	<20120718052443.08b357fc@okrason.dnsalias.net>
	<20120718174559.10b8b261@busgosu.mones.org>
	<20120718215436.2e953774@eris.sumpf>
Message-ID: <20120718180128.330e97e1@okrason.dnsalias.net>

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:54:36 +0200
seelenhirt <seelenhirt at gmx.net> wrote:

> >   Source URIs are those starting with deb-src instead deb in
> >   your /etc/apt/sources.list file. That message means you probably
> > have no such lines. Duplicate a "deb ..." lines and change deb by
> > deb-src and you should be done. Don't forget to apt-get update after
> > changing sources.list.
> > 
> Or you could use the graphical 'software-properties-gtk' and set the
> 'Source code' tick.
> 
>  . . . 

Thanks, but real men don't do GUI.    :)

Just kidding.

By the time I read your message, I had already followed Ricardo's
suggestion and recompiled the binary under Mint.

Now that I know about that graphical utility, I'll add it to my
RedNotebook log for future reference.

Thank you!

-- 
Okra


From relson at osagesoftware.com  Thu Jul 19 04:18:57 2012
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:18:57 -0400
Subject: [Users] claws mail, irfanview, default windows mail client
Message-ID: <20120718221857.34c997ab@osage>

G'day,

I've been using claws-mail on Linux for many years.  Consequently I
put it on my wife's Windows 7 machine a couple of years back.

She now has some large pictures she wants to email.  My son likes
irfanview because it allows changing an images resolution (to shrink
the size) before mailing it.  We've selected claws' "set as default
mailer" optio, but irfanview insists on using Outlook.

Anybody know how to correct this problem?

Thanks.

David


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 19 08:51:16 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:51:16 +0100
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.8.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20120718115650.42457f15@rbits.ch>
References: <20120627144818.02b68953@thewildbeast>
	<20120718115650.42457f15@rbits.ch>
Message-ID: <20120719075116.06b03af8@thewildbeast>

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:56:50 +0200
Roman Brusa <r.brusa at gmx.ch> wrote: 

> Do we get this also in the PPA for Ubuntu?

At some point, yes. I keep getting various errors during the process
(never done it before) and due to extremely limited time I only have
time for it to work smoothly, so each error means I shelve it until
the next free time. So, eventually I'll get there (I suppose!)

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From r.brusa at gmx.ch  Thu Jul 19 09:10:36 2012
From: r.brusa at gmx.ch (Roman Brusa)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:10:36 +0200
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.8.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20120719075116.06b03af8@thewildbeast>
References: <20120627144818.02b68953@thewildbeast>
	<20120718115650.42457f15@rbits.ch>
	<20120719075116.06b03af8@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20120719091036.3186a3ce@rbits.ch>

Hi, on Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:51:16 +0100, Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk>
wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:56:50 +0200
>Roman Brusa <r.brusa at gmx.ch> wrote: 
>
>> Do we get this also in the PPA for Ubuntu?  
>
>At some point, yes.

Thank you Paul. No hurry from here...

Roman
-- 
We have to create the future, or others will do it for us. - Gen. S.
Ivanova


From claws at mll.ivaluemyprivacy.com  Thu Jul 19 15:05:50 2012
From: claws at mll.ivaluemyprivacy.com (claws at mll.ivaluemyprivacy.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:05:50 +0300 (AST)
Subject: [Users] Arranging mail box order
Message-ID: <MTAwMDAyMi5tbGw.1342703150@quikprotect>

Is there a way, to rearrange the order of the mail boxes in the left pane?

I have one that I would like at the top and it is now at the bottom.

I could not find any reference to this in the FAQ



From tobias.powalowski at googlemail.com  Thu Jul 19 15:27:31 2012
From: tobias.powalowski at googlemail.com (Tobias Powalowski)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:27:31 +0200
Subject: [Users] gmail with imap issue
Message-ID: <50080B43.1080805@googlemail.com>

Hi,
I would like to move from tbird to claws-mail. Now i'm faced with a real
regression:
Posting to MLs does not show my own sent mail, it's just stored on Sent
folder.
Probably related, it's not possible to send mails to yourself account,
it's just stored in Sent folder.
I followed your guides for gmail configuration, somehow this is not working.
Any help would be really appreciated, else i cannot use claws-mail.
In Thunderbird it works just fine.

Thanks,
greetings
tpowa

-- 
Tobias Powalowski
Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa)
http://www.archlinux.org
tpowa at archlinux.org


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From Ian.Hamilton at AAUG.net  Thu Jul 19 15:30:27 2012
From: Ian.Hamilton at AAUG.net (Ian)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:30:27 +0100
Subject: [Users] Arranging mail box order
In-Reply-To: <MTAwMDAyMi5tbGw.1342703150@quikprotect>
References: <MTAwMDAyMi5tbGw.1342703150@quikprotect>
Message-ID: <20120719143027.61403b9e@ian-desktop>

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:05:50 +0300 (AST)
claws at mll.ivaluemyprivacy.com wrote:

> Is there a way, to rearrange the order of the mail boxes in the left
> pane?
> 
> I have one that I would like at the top and it is now at the bottom.
> 
> I could not find any reference to this in the FAQ
> 

File menu : 'Change Mailbox order ...'



From brad at fineby.me.uk  Thu Jul 19 15:48:03 2012
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:48:03 +0100
Subject: [Users] gmail with imap issue
In-Reply-To: <50080B43.1080805@googlemail.com>
References: <50080B43.1080805@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <20120719144803.56c58b20@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:27:31 +0200
Tobias Powalowski <tobias.powalowski at googlemail.com> wrote:

Hello Tobias,

>Posting to MLs does not show my own sent mail, it's just stored on Sent

That's the way gmail works.  It's broken.  Has been since inception, but
google insist it's the right thing to do, and won't change the
behaviour.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
But they didn't tell him the first two didn't count
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From tobias.powalowski at googlemail.com  Thu Jul 19 15:51:41 2012
From: tobias.powalowski at googlemail.com (Tobias Powalowski)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:51:41 +0200
Subject: [Users] gmail with imap issue
In-Reply-To: <20120719144803.56c58b20@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <50080B43.1080805@googlemail.com>
	<20120719144803.56c58b20@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <500810ED.1010505@googlemail.com>

Am 19.07.2012 15:48, schrieb Brad Rogers:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:27:31 +0200
> Tobias Powalowski <tobias.powalowski at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Tobias,
>
>> Posting to MLs does not show my own sent mail, it's just stored on Sent
> That's the way gmail works.  It's broken.  Has been since inception, but
> google insist it's the right thing to do, and won't change the
> behaviour.
>
Means thunderbird somehow workaround this issue, the gmail webmail also
works as it should :(
So I can't replace thunderbird with claws-mail soon.

greetings
tpowa

-- 
Tobias Powalowski
Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa)
http://www.archlinux.org
tpowa at archlinux.org


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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Thu Jul 19 16:10:31 2012
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:10:31 +0100
Subject: [Users] gmail with imap issue
In-Reply-To: <500810ED.1010505@googlemail.com>
References: <50080B43.1080805@googlemail.com>
	<20120719144803.56c58b20@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
	<500810ED.1010505@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <20120719151031.7f12a1dd@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:51:41 +0200
Tobias Powalowski <tobias.powalowski at googlemail.com> wrote:

Hello Tobias,

>Means thunderbird somehow workaround this issue, the gmail webmail also
>works as it should :(

In which case, it's likely I misunderstood what you are asking.  I
thought you were asking why your own mail to lists isn't echoed back to
you.

Feel free to ignore what I said and wait for another answer.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
I hit the ground, boy have I arrived!
The History Of The World (Part 1) - The Damned
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From Okrason at okrason.dnsalias.net  Thu Jul 19 17:17:40 2012
From: Okrason at okrason.dnsalias.net (Okra Son)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:17:40 -0400
Subject: [Users] Arranging mail box order
In-Reply-To: <MTAwMDAyMi5tbGw.1342703150@quikprotect>
References: <MTAwMDAyMi5tbGw.1342703150@quikprotect>
Message-ID: <20120719111740.5fb3a19e@okrason.dnsalias.net>

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:05:50 +0300 (AST)
claws at mll.ivaluemyprivacy.com wrote:

> Is there a way, to rearrange the order of the mail boxes in the left pane?
> 
> I have one that I would like at the top and it is now at the bottom.
> 
> I could not find any reference to this in the FAQ
> 
>  . . . 

You would have to hack "folderview.c" and edit "folderlist.xml" by hand.

Write to me off-list if you'd like a patch vs. 3.8.1 sources.

-- 
Okra


From ricardo at mones.org  Thu Jul 19 17:26:47 2012
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:26:47 +0200
Subject: [Users] gmail with imap issue
In-Reply-To: <20120719144803.56c58b20@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
References: <50080B43.1080805@googlemail.com>
	<20120719144803.56c58b20@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20120719172647.43fa7e75@busgosu.mones.org>

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:48:03 +0100
Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:27:31 +0200
> Tobias Powalowski <tobias.powalowski at googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Tobias,
> 
> >Posting to MLs does not show my own sent mail, it's just stored on Sent
> 
> That's the way gmail works.  It's broken.  Has been since inception, but
> google insist it's the right thing to do, and won't change the
> behaviour.

  Indeed: http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6588

  As already told to the OP on irc, the only way I've found to override this
  behaviour is not using Gmail SMTP server.

  regards,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  Don't take the name of root in vain.          /usr/src/linux/README

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From tobias.powalowski at googlemail.com  Thu Jul 19 17:42:44 2012
From: tobias.powalowski at googlemail.com (Tobias Powalowski)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:42:44 +0200
Subject: [Users] gmail with imap issue
In-Reply-To: <20120719172647.43fa7e75@busgosu.mones.org>
References: <50080B43.1080805@googlemail.com>
	<20120719144803.56c58b20@abydos.stargate.org.uk>
	<20120719172647.43fa7e75@busgosu.mones.org>
Message-ID: <50082AF4.1050304@googlemail.com>

Am 19.07.2012 17:26, schrieb Ricardo Mones:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:48:03 +0100
> Brad Rogers <brad at fineby.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:27:31 +0200
>> Tobias Powalowski <tobias.powalowski at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Tobias,
>>
>>> Posting to MLs does not show my own sent mail, it's just stored on Sent
>> That's the way gmail works.  It's broken.  Has been since inception, but
>> google insist it's the right thing to do, and won't change the
>> behaviour.
>   Indeed: http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6588
>
>   As already told to the OP on irc, the only way I've found to override this
>   behaviour is not using Gmail SMTP server.
>
>   regards,
This google post is about INBOX, which is also the same on thunderbird,
I use google filters to put ML to different Labels and with skip inbox
option set,
so they should imho appear.

greetings
tpowa

-- 
Tobias Powalowski
Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa)
http://www.archlinux.org
tpowa at archlinux.org


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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 19 19:36:46 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:36:46 +0100
Subject: [Users] Arranging mail box order
In-Reply-To: <20120719111740.5fb3a19e@okrason.dnsalias.net>
References: <MTAwMDAyMi5tbGw.1342703150@quikprotect>
	<20120719111740.5fb3a19e@okrason.dnsalias.net>
Message-ID: <20120719183646.3ad8a736@thewildbeast>

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:17:40 -0400
Okra Son <Okrason at okrason.dnsalias.net> wrote: 

> You would have to hack "folderview.c" and edit "folderlist.xml" by
> hand.
> 
> Write to me off-list if you'd like a patch vs. 3.8.1 sources.

Nah! See Ian's response.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From barry at python.org  Thu Jul 19 21:34:30 2012
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:34:30 -0400
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.8.1 unleashed!!
References: <20120627144818.02b68953@thewildbeast>
	<20120718115650.42457f15@rbits.ch>
	<20120719075116.06b03af8@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20120719153430.7a46c721@limelight.wooz.org>

On Jul 19, 2012, at 07:51 AM, Paul wrote:

>At some point, yes. I keep getting various errors during the process
>(never done it before) and due to extremely limited time I only have
>time for it to work smoothly, so each error means I shelve it until
>the next free time. So, eventually I'll get there (I suppose!)

3.8.1 is in sid so I should go ahead and merge that version into Quantal
(Ubuntu 12.10).  Ubuntu carries one delta, which honestly I'm not sure whether
we should continue to carry or not:

 * Merge with Debian (LP: #938141).  Remaining Ubuntu changes:
    - debian/patches/50disable_can_change_accels_by_default:
      the gtk_can_change_accels pref which allows to change keyboard shortcuts
      from Gtk+ menus default to false for consistence with the GNOME default
      and other UME apps.  (LP: #223840)

Both Quantal and sid are at 3.8.1 for the plugins.

Cheers,
-Barry
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From lfisk at iserv.net  Thu Jul 19 22:19:57 2012
From: lfisk at iserv.net (Leon Fisk)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:19:57 -0400
Subject: [Users] claws mail, irfanview, default windows mail client
In-Reply-To: <20120718221857.34c997ab@osage>
References: <20120718221857.34c997ab@osage>
Message-ID: <201207192019.q6JKJpXX017727@mail2.iserv.net>

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:18:57 -0400
David Relson <relson at osagesoftware.com> wrote:

>G'day,
>
>I've been using claws-mail on Linux for many years.  Consequently I
>put it on my wife's Windows 7 machine a couple of years back.
>
>She now has some large pictures she wants to email.  My son likes
>irfanview because it allows changing an images resolution (to shrink
>the size) before mailing it.  We've selected claws' "set as default
>mailer" optio, but irfanview insists on using Outlook.
>
>Anybody know how to correct this problem?

I've used Irfanview for some years now. Does a nice job and the
interface isn't all that complicated. When I moved on from Windows to
Linux I kept on using it via Wine. Linux doesn't have anything quite
like it (I've looked at/for just about everything remotely similar)...

I've always saved my altered images to some other place. Either a
different directory (like /FilesToEmail) or a different name. Then I
compose an email, attach the newly created file/image (you should be
able to just drag it over to the Compose window->Attachments tab) and
send it.

Irfanview has a nice "Save for Web... (Plugin)" under the "File" drop
down menu good for tweaking image sizes. Works good for email stuff too.

In all the years I've been using email I have never felt the urge to try
emailing something from inside an app like Irfanview. To me that is
just begging for something to be sent in an odd, maybe incorrect
manner (shrug).

-- 
Leon
Claws 3.8.0, Ubuntu Karmic 9.10


From Okrason at okrason.dnsalias.net  Thu Jul 19 23:06:02 2012
From: Okrason at okrason.dnsalias.net (Okra Son)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:06:02 -0400
Subject: [Users] Arranging mail box order
In-Reply-To: <20120719183646.3ad8a736@thewildbeast>
References: <MTAwMDAyMi5tbGw.1342703150@quikprotect>
	<20120719111740.5fb3a19e@okrason.dnsalias.net>
	<20120719183646.3ad8a736@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20120719170602.4573ad8d@okrason.dnsalias.net>

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:36:46 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:17:40 -0400
> Okra Son <Okrason at okrason.dnsalias.net> wrote: 
> 
> > You would have to hack "folderview.c" and edit "folderlist.xml" by
> > hand.
> > 
> > Write to me off-list if you'd like a patch vs. 3.8.1 sources.
> 
> Nah! See Ian's response.
> 
> with regards
> 
>  . . . 

Hello Paul.

I took "mail box" to mean "mail folder" rather than "account."

Perhaps the OP can clarify what she or he meant.

-- 
Okra


From relson at osagesoftware.com  Fri Jul 20 04:50:40 2012
From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:50:40 -0400
Subject: [Users] claws mail, irfanview, default windows mail client
In-Reply-To: <201207192019.q6JKJpXX017727@mail2.iserv.net>
References: <20120718221857.34c997ab@osage>
	<201207192019.q6JKJpXX017727@mail2.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <20120719225040.2e5b17c1@osage>

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:19:57 -0400
Leon Fisk wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:18:57 -0400
> David Relson <relson at osagesoftware.com> wrote:
> 
> >G'day,
> >
> >I've been using claws-mail on Linux for many years.  Consequently I
> >put it on my wife's Windows 7 machine a couple of years back.
> >
> >She now has some large pictures she wants to email.  My son likes
> >irfanview because it allows changing an images resolution (to shrink
> >the size) before mailing it.  We've selected claws' "set as default
> >mailer" optio, but irfanview insists on using Outlook.
> >
> >Anybody know how to correct this problem?
> 
> I've used Irfanview for some years now. Does a nice job and the
> interface isn't all that complicated. When I moved on from Windows to
> Linux I kept on using it via Wine. Linux doesn't have anything quite
> like it (I've looked at/for just about everything remotely similar)...
> 
> I've always saved my altered images to some other place. Either a
> different directory (like /FilesToEmail) or a different name. Then I
> compose an email, attach the newly created file/image (you should be
> able to just drag it over to the Compose window->Attachments tab) and
> send it.
> 
> Irfanview has a nice "Save for Web... (Plugin)" under the "File" drop
> down menu good for tweaking image sizes. Works good for email stuff
> too.
> 
> In all the years I've been using email I have never felt the urge to
> try emailing something from inside an app like Irfanview. To me that
> is just begging for something to be sent in an odd, maybe incorrect
> manner (shrug).

My son put together a batch file that runs Irfanview for a set of
images (via drag'n'drop) and creates a directory of resized images
which are then mailable.  It solves the need :->


From ricardo at mones.org  Fri Jul 20 17:50:04 2012
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:50:04 +0200
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.8.1 unleashed!!
In-Reply-To: <20120719153430.7a46c721@limelight.wooz.org>
References: <20120627144818.02b68953@thewildbeast>
	<20120718115650.42457f15@rbits.ch>
	<20120719075116.06b03af8@thewildbeast>
	<20120719153430.7a46c721@limelight.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20120720175004.1c807e56@busgosu.mones.org>

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:34:30 -0400
Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:

> On Jul 19, 2012, at 07:51 AM, Paul wrote:
> 
> >At some point, yes. I keep getting various errors during the process
> >(never done it before) and due to extremely limited time I only have
> >time for it to work smoothly, so each error means I shelve it until
> >the next free time. So, eventually I'll get there (I suppose!)  
> 
> 3.8.1 is in sid so I should go ahead and merge that version into Quantal
> (Ubuntu 12.10).  Ubuntu carries one delta, which honestly I'm not sure
> whether we should continue to carry or not:
> 
>  * Merge with Debian (LP: #938141).  Remaining Ubuntu changes:
>     - debian/patches/50disable_can_change_accels_by_default:
>       the gtk_can_change_accels pref which allows to change keyboard
> shortcuts from Gtk+ menus default to false for consistence with the GNOME
> default and other UME apps.  (LP: #223840)

  Now that you mention this again: this is a bogus delta and should be
  removed.

  Current default (untouched in Debian) already does what the delta is
  supposing to do (according patch header text) and the patch is actually
  reversing the default (!) I guess nobody cared to review the patch...

  regards,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but 
  that's not why we do it.                            Richard Feynman

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From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Fri Jul 20 18:01:29 2012
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:01:29 +0100
Subject: [Users] Compile 3.8.1 under xubuntu 12.04
In-Reply-To: <20120718175419.443f0187@okrason.dnsalias.net>
References: <20120716094144.0562644c@from-theboss.911networks.com>
	<20120716185012.3cec1d12@sleipner.datanom.net>
	<20120716231311.07d53686@eris.sumpf>
	<20120718052443.08b357fc@okrason.dnsalias.net>
	<20120718174559.10b8b261@busgosu.mones.org>
	<20120718175419.443f0187@okrason.dnsalias.net>
Message-ID: <20120720170129.00002df9@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:54:19 -0400
Okra Son <Okrason at okrason.dnsalias.net> wrote:

> It installed over eighty debs.  I remember installing less than ten
> libraries when I first compile C-M with Ubuntu Lucid.  Perhaps Mint is
> libraries and utilities challenged when you first install it.

A lot of distros seem to have decided to split up libraries into
multiple packages, not really sure why.

-- 

Brian Morrison


From j_deutsch at web.de  Fri Jul 20 21:21:44 2012
From: j_deutsch at web.de (Johannes Deutsch)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:21:44 +0200
Subject: [Users] unintended sorting behavior of threads
Message-ID: <20120720212144.4757248f@web.de>

Hi all,

i always sort my mails by date in descending order. 

Yet again i encountered unintended behavior of claws sorting mechanism
with respect to threaded messages. Due to which i missed some new mails
already.

I dislike that the date which defines the thread-position in the sorted
list is the root of the thread. In other words, the date of the mail
that is the origin of the thread, which is the oldest
contribution to the thread at the same time.

I would rather like to see that the newest/youngest mail of the thread
is crucial for the position in the sorted list. Such that i can't miss
incoming mails which are part of a thread.

Is it possible to change the sorting behavior to what i intend or am i
forced to press ctrl-t every time?


May the wisdom be with you...

with best regards

Johannes


From charlescurley at charlescurley.com  Fri Jul 20 21:43:51 2012
From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:43:51 -0600
Subject: [Users] unintended sorting behavior of threads
In-Reply-To: <20120720212144.4757248f@web.de>
References: <20120720212144.4757248f@web.de>
Message-ID: <20120720134351.36f44524@yendi>

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:21:44 +0200
Johannes Deutsch <j_deutsch at web.de> wrote:

> I dislike that the date which defines the thread-position in the
> sorted list is the root of the thread. In other words, the date of
> the mail that is the origin of the thread, which is the oldest
> contribution to the thread at the same time.
> 
> I would rather like to see that the newest/youngest mail of the thread
> is crucial for the position in the sorted list. Such that i can't
> miss incoming mails which are part of a thread.

View -> Thread View

View -> Sort -> By Thread Date

View -> Sort -> Ascending

That is my setup, and I get the view you want. Claws 3.7.8.

-- 

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From j_deutsch at web.de  Fri Jul 20 22:04:26 2012
From: j_deutsch at web.de (Johannes Deutsch)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 22:04:26 +0200
Subject: [Users] unintended sorting behavior of threads
In-Reply-To: <20120720134351.36f44524@yendi>
References: <20120720212144.4757248f@web.de>
	<20120720134351.36f44524@yendi>
Message-ID: <20120720220426.610c8e5d@web.de>

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:43:51 -0600
Charles Curley <charlescurley at charlescurley.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:21:44 +0200
> Johannes Deutsch <j_deutsch at web.de> wrote:
> 
> > I dislike that the date which defines the thread-position in the
> > sorted list is the root of the thread. In other words, the date of
> > the mail that is the origin of the thread, which is the oldest
> > contribution to the thread at the same time.
> > 
> > I would rather like to see that the newest/youngest mail of the
> > thread is crucial for the position in the sorted list. Such that i
> > can't miss incoming mails which are part of a thread.
> 
> View -> Thread View
> 
> View -> Sort -> By Thread Date
> 
> View -> Sort -> Ascending
> 
> That is my setup, and I get the view you want. Claws 3.7.8.
> 

Thanks a lot for your fast reply! Why oh why i didn't look at the
View-Menu? All the while i searched the preferences for the
appropriate setting. I'm really angry with myself!! Time to distress me.

Have a nice weekend...

best regards...




From barry at python.org  Sat Jul 21 00:17:10 2012
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:17:10 -0400
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail 3.8.1 unleashed!!
References: <20120627144818.02b68953@thewildbeast>
	<20120718115650.42457f15@rbits.ch>
	<20120719075116.06b03af8@thewildbeast>
	<20120719153430.7a46c721@limelight.wooz.org>
	<20120720175004.1c807e56@busgosu.mones.org>
Message-ID: <20120720181710.19e6f888@resist.wooz.org>

On Jul 20, 2012, at 05:50 PM, Ricardo Mones wrote:

> Now that you mention this again: this is a bogus delta and should be
> removed.
>
> Current default (untouched in Debian) already does what the delta is
> supposing to do (according patch header text) and the patch is actually
> reversing the default (!) I guess nobody cared to review the patch...

Thanks for the feedback.  I've sync'd 12.10's CM from Debian's 3.8.1-1 now,
dropping this patch.

Cheers,
-Barry
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From linxt at comcast.net  Sat Jul 21 08:17:36 2012
From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:17:36 -0700
Subject: [Users] Can't compile CM-3.8.1
Message-ID: <20120720231736.2ac51640@desktop-1.home>

I'm trying to compile CM-3.8.1 from source tarball from sourceforge but it
keeps getting an error.  The error occurs during the "make" phase when it can't
find the header (?) lgcrypt.

Here is the tail end of the process:
libtool: link: gcc -g -O2 -Wno-unused-function -Wno-pointer-sign -Wall -o
claws-mail account.o action.o addrcache.o addr_compl.o addressadd.o
addrgather.o addrharvest.o addritem.o alertpanel.o autofaces.o codeconv.o
compose.o crash.o customheader.o displayheader.o edittags.o enriched.o export.o
filtering.o folder.o folder_item_prefs.o foldersel.o folderutils.o folderview.o
grouplistdialog.o headerview.o html.o image_viewer.o imap.o imap_gtk.o import.o
inc.o localfolder.o main.o mainwindow.o manual.o matcher.o matcher_parser_lex.o
matcher_parser_parse.o mbox.o message_search.o messageview.o mh.o mh_gtk.o
mimeview.o msgcache.o news.o news_gtk.o noticeview.o partial_download.o pop.o
prefs_account.o prefs_actions.o prefs_common.o prefs_compose_writing.o
prefs_customheader.o prefs_display_header.o prefs_ext_prog.o
prefs_filtering_action.o prefs_filtering.o prefs_folder_item.o prefs_fonts.o
prefs_gtk.o prefs_image_viewer.o prefs_logging.o prefs_matcher.o
prefs_message.o prefs_msg_colors.o prefs_other.o prefs_quote.o prefs_receive.o
prefs_send.o prefs_spelling.o prefs_summaries.o prefs_summary_column.o
prefs_summary_open.o prefs_folder_column.o prefs_template.o prefs_themes.o
prefs_toolbar.o prefs_wrapping.o printing.o privacy.o procheader.o procmime.o
procmsg.o quote_fmt.o quote_fmt_lex.o quote_fmt_parse.o recv.o remotefolder.o
send_message.o setup.o simple-gettext.o sourcewindow.o ssl_manager.o
statusbar.o stock_pixmap.o summary_search.o summaryview.o textview.o toolbar.o
undo.o unmime.o uri_opener.o wizard.o addrbook.o addrclip.o addrcustomattr.o
addressbook.o addressbook_foldersel.o addrindex.o addrquery.o addrselect.o
addrduplicates.o browseldap.o editaddress.o editaddress_other_attributes_ldap.o
editbook.o editgroup.o editjpilot.o editldap_basedn.o editldap.o editvcard.o
exphtmldlg.o expldifdlg.o exporthtml.o exportldif.o importldif.o importmutt.o
importpine.o jpilot.o ldapctrl.o ldaplocate.o ldapquery.o ldapserver.o
ldapupdate.o ldaputil.o ldif.o mutt.o pine.o vcard.o -Wl,--export-dynamic
gtk/.libs/libclawsgtk.a -lgmodule-2.0 -lgthread-2.0 -lrt -lcrypt -lgtk-x11-2.0
-lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgio-2.0 -lpangoft2-1.0 -lpangocairo-1.0
-lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lcairo -lpango-1.0 -lfreetype -lfontconfig -lgobject-2.0
-lglib-2.0 -lnsl -llber -lldap -lgcrypt -lpthread -lSM -lICE -lm
-pthread /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-suse-linux/4.7/../../../../x86_64-suse-linux/bin/ld:
cannot find -lgcrypt                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
							  error starts here

collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status                    
make[4]: ***
[claws-mail] Error 1 
make[4]: Leaving directory `/source/claws-mail-3.8.1/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/source/claws-mail-3.8.1/src' 
make[2]: *** [all] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving
directory `/source/claws-mail-3.8.1/src' 
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/source/claws-mail-3.8.1' make: *** [all] Error 2


Is there some switch that can be set to circumvent this problem?  Unfortunately
openSuSE rpm at the CM download site is still at 3.7 version.  

Tom

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From CAE at eslrahc.com  Sat Jul 21 09:37:49 2012
From: CAE at eslrahc.com (Charles A Edwards)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 03:37:49 -0400
Subject: [Users] Can't compile CM-3.8.1
In-Reply-To: <20120720231736.2ac51640@desktop-1.home>
References: <20120720231736.2ac51640@desktop-1.home>
Message-ID: <20120721033749.224c1bf3@SuperSize.eslrahc.com>

On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:17:36 -0700
Thomas Taylor wrote:

> I'm trying to compile CM-3.8.1 from source tarball from sourceforge
> but it keeps getting an error.  The error occurs during the "make"
> phase when it can't find the header (?) lgcrypt.


You need to install libgcrypt-devel and if not pulled in
as a depend when you install the libgcrypt-devel rpm you 
will also need to install gnutls-devel.

I will warn you that there will may be additional devel
pkgs that you will need to install before you get a 
successful build.


    Charles


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul 21 10:59:53 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:59:53 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2703] New: claws crash while deleting or moving not
 fully loaded msg
Message-ID: <bug-2703-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2703

           Summary: claws crash while deleting or moving not fully loaded
                    msg
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: FreeBSD
            Status: NEW
          Severity: major
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: hm at hm.net.br


when hitting the delete icon or moving a message to another folder, claws
crashes immediately when the message in question was still not fully loaded
(visible in preview pane)

easily repeatable, send yourself a large msg or one with an with attachment,
then click on delete while it still is loading

I tried with and w/o imap blocking, no change

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul 21 11:25:45 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:25:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2703] claws crash while deleting or moving not fully
	loaded msg
In-Reply-To: <bug-2703-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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           What    |Removed                     |Added
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          Component|UI                          |Folders/IMAP
           Severity|major                       |normal




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From j_deutsch at web.de  Sat Jul 21 14:29:56 2012
From: j_deutsch at web.de (Johannes Deutsch)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:29:56 +0200
Subject: [Users] apply specific folder view to all other folders
Message-ID: <20120721142956.55180a54@web.de>

Hi all,

is it possible to apply folder specific view-settings to all other
folders? 

With regard to my last question i want that the mails of all my folders
are sorted by thread-date. I can't figure out how to make the settings
in the view-menu global. Maybe someone who reads the mailing list
knows how to do this!?

With best regards and thanks a lot for your effort

Johannes



From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul 21 15:21:31 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:21:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2704] New: suggestion for better readability
Message-ID: <bug-2704-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2704

           Summary: suggestion for better readability
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: FreeBSD
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message View
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: hm at hm.net.br


it would be nice if the header, which can be selected to be shown within the
message preview pane, would have a different background, a box or something to
make it better readable as separate from the message body itself. Maybe even a
line as separator would be enough already.

the header which can appear under the search panel is incomplete and hard to
read sometimes, IMO not a good idea showing From and To side by side and
date/time is missing, so I prefer the header inside the message window.


a good example of what I mean could be seen in kmail's or seamonkey's mail
message preview window

thanks
Hans

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From jerry at seibercom.net  Sat Jul 21 15:50:08 2012
From: jerry at seibercom.net (Jerry)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:50:08 -0400
Subject: [Users] RFC2426 "format-flowed"
Message-ID: <20120721095008.70db7e6a@scorpio>

Does claws-mail support rfc2646 "format-flowed"
<http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2646.txt>. I cannot find any documentation
on it in the help files.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul 21 16:52:25 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:52:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2704] suggestion for better readability
In-Reply-To: <bug-2704-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2704-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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           Severity|normal                      |enhancement




--- Comment #1 from Paul  2012-07-21 16:52:24 ---
I think the fact that headers can be displayed  at the top of the message view
itself (and are configurable) makes this request rather redundant

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul 21 16:55:22 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:55:22 +0100
Subject: [Users] RFC2426 "format-flowed"
In-Reply-To: <20120721095008.70db7e6a@scorpio>
References: <20120721095008.70db7e6a@scorpio>
Message-ID: <20120721155522.569e45f6@thewildbeast>

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:50:08 -0400
Jerry <jerry at seibercom.net> wrote: 

> Does claws-mail support rfc2646 "format-flowed"
> <http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2646.txt>. I cannot find any
> documentation on it in the help files.

Yes, it does. There's a hidden pref for that. See the manual.
http://www.claws-mail.org/manual/claws-mail-manual.html#adv_hidden
respect_flowed_format

with regards

Paul


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul 21 17:13:32 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:13:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2704] suggestion for better readability
In-Reply-To: <bug-2704-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2704





--- Comment #2 from Hans  2012-07-21 17:13:32 ---
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preview with header + background

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul 21 17:14:35 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:14:35 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2704] suggestion for better readability
In-Reply-To: <bug-2704-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #3 from Hans  2012-07-21 17:14:35 ---
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msg preview header w/o background

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul 21 17:15:33 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:15:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2704] suggestion for better readability
In-Reply-To: <bug-2704-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #4 from Hans  2012-07-21 17:15:32 ---
well, in terms of readability of the message body, yes

but the header at the top is not good for reading easily the header, it goes
under in the panel 

but worse is, you can not copy the header or part of it. I mean it is not
possible passing the mouse over the email address, right click and copy for
using it elsewhere ... 

have a look at the attachments

Hans

Hans

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul 21 17:37:57 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:37:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2704] suggestion for better readability
In-Reply-To: <bug-2704-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #5 from Paul  2012-07-21 17:37:57 ---
I originally thought you were talking about the 'header pane'. But it seems
that in comment #4 you /are/ now talking about the header pane, but referring
to images of the message view [???]

Re: the original description: There is a line as separator.

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From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Sat Jul 21 20:00:51 2012
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:00:51 -0400
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail - FreeBSD
Message-ID: <20120721140051.65d54c87@debian.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>

I decided to give FreeBSD a try to see how it is, compared to Linux.
Unfortunately, I found many issues with it.  For most of them, I was
unable to find solutions to fix.

There was only one bright spot in all this and it was the only software
package installed, that actually worked perfectly.  Claws Mail. 

Whomever on the team has responsibility for porting Claws Mail over to
FreeBSD, I'd like to say "Thank You" for porting it over.  Even though
in the end, I couldn't use FreeBSD, it was nice to see Claws Mail do
its thing.  :)

Ed

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From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Sat Jul 21 20:12:15 2012
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:12:15 -0400
Subject: [Users] gmail with imap issue
In-Reply-To: <50080B43.1080805@googlemail.com>
References: <50080B43.1080805@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <20120721141215.4676d2c5@debian.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:27:31 +0200
Tobias Powalowski <tobias.powalowski at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I would like to move from tbird to claws-mail. Now i'm faced with a
> real regression:
> Posting to MLs does not show my own sent mail, it's just stored on
> Sent folder.
> Probably related, it's not possible to send mails to yourself account,
> it's just stored in Sent folder.
> I followed your guides for gmail configuration, somehow this is not
> working. Any help would be really appreciated, else i cannot use
> claws-mail. In Thunderbird it works just fine.

Hi Tobias,

Any e-mail that you send, whether it is to a person or to a
mailing list (it really should not matter), are in the main "Sent"
folder afterwards. I just tested it with Claws and that is where a copy
of the message was stored. 

There is also a subset of folders beginning with "Gmail" which includes
a "Sent Mail" folder, but that folder seems to be used for e-mails sent
with the Gmail Android app and not via a desktop e-mail client.

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From jerry at seibercom.net  Sat Jul 21 20:51:43 2012
From: jerry at seibercom.net (Jerry)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:51:43 -0400
Subject: [Users] Claws Mail - FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <20120721140051.65d54c87@debian.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
References: <20120721140051.65d54c87@debian.hsd1.ma.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20120721145143.3b56431e@scorpio>

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:00:51 -0400
edwardp at linuxmail.org articulated:

> I decided to give FreeBSD a try to see how it is, compared to Linux.
> Unfortunately, I found many issues with it.  For most of them, I was
> unable to find solutions to fix.
> 
> There was only one bright spot in all this and it was the only
> software package installed, that actually worked perfectly.  Claws
> Mail. 
> 
> Whomever on the team has responsibility for porting Claws Mail over to
> FreeBSD, I'd like to say "Thank You" for porting it over.  Even though
> in the end, I couldn't use FreeBSD, it was nice to see Claws Mail do
> its thing.  :)

If possible, please contact me OL. I use FreeBSD, and while I agree its
support for hardware and the availability of drivers sucks, it is
generally usable on most common systems. I would be interested in
knowing what problems you experienced.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 22 18:16:04 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:16:04 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2705] New: Claws crashes when retrieving POP mail
Message-ID: <bug-2705-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2705

           Summary: Claws crashes when retrieving POP mail
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: major
          Priority: P3
         Component: POP3
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: cia.watson at gmail.com


Created an attachment (id=1134)
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Output from running claws-mail --debug

Claws 3.8.1 on Debian wheezy, was working fine until after I built and used the
new claws mail address book (claws-contacts) so that may well play into this. 
ftp://ftp.datanom.net/pub/claws-mail/claws-contacts-0.6.0cvs84.tar.bz2
I did install a lot of dev files as well as ldap, since it was required, but
didn't configure ldap; in case that makes a difference.

Now when I launch claws mail, it comes up and connects to download email, and
then promptly crashes. I have 4 email addresses for which it downloads mail, it
appears to crash during the first one. Output from syslog is:
claws-mail[4182]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f9386e78e50 sp 00007fffc0886648 error 4
in libglib-2.0.so.0.3200.3[7f9386e3e000+f5000]

I ran 'claws-mail --debug' in a terminal and captured the output, which I've
attached.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 22 18:21:26 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:21:26 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2705] Claws crashes when retrieving POP mail
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 22 18:22:39 2012
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:22:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2705] Claws crashes when retrieving POP mail
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2705


Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Paul  2012-07-22 18:22:38 ---
looks like the crash in in glib

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 22 19:01:09 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:01:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2705] Claws crashes when retrieving POP mail
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--- Comment #2 from Michael Rasmussen  2012-07-22 19:01:08 ---
I don't see anything related to the new address book. As Paul has mentioned it
looks more like a segfault in glib.

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From jonathan.hooverman at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 23:05:26 2012
From: jonathan.hooverman at gmail.com (Jonathan Hooverman)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:05:26 +0200
Subject: [Users] Can't compile CM-3.8.1
In-Reply-To: <20120720231736.2ac51640@desktop-1.home>
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Good evening,
> 
> Unfortunately
> openSuSE rpm at the CM download site is still at 3.7 version.  
> 

are you aware, that you will be able to download recent versions here?

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Apps/

Jon.


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 23 06:18:08 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 06:18:08 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2706] New: Failed sending attachment 100KB
Message-ID: <bug-2706-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2706

           Summary: Failed sending attachment 100KB
           Product: Claws Mail (Windows)
           Version: 3.8.0
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Windows NT
            Status: NEW
          Severity: major
          Priority: P3
         Component: default
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: ricko_abe at yahoo.com


i'm using claws mail 3.8.1 for windows

upon sending mail with attachment, it usually fails with attachment more than
100kb (xlsx). the message says "could not queue message for sending". 
i've searched docs and settings to allow larger attachment to no avail. no such
settings found. 
when i send email with small attachment (9kb xlsx), it succeeds.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 23 13:19:00 2012
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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:19:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2568] Calendar crash 3.8.0
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--- Comment #3 from Michael Schwendt  2012-07-23 13:18:59 ---
What is the test-case?

Can you reproduce with 3.8.1?

Can you compile with debug details (at least -g) and generate a full backtrace?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 23 13:28:11 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:28:11 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2707] New: crash in vcalendar / event_get_from_xml
Message-ID: <bug-2707-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2707

           Summary: crash in vcalendar / event_get_from_xml
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: Plugins
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: mschwendt at gmail.com
                CC: andreas.bierfert at lowlatency.de


Just forwarding this:

  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/824064
  Backtrace: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=586082
  (originally created with 3.8.0 and vcalendar 2.0.12)

  Quote: [...] the gnome session have been saved and at session login,
claws-mail was intended to startup. [...] 

There's a bit of information in the ticket comments, but not much and no
test-case.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 23 15:13:38 2012
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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:13:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2704] suggestion for better readability
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--- Comment #6 from Hans  2012-07-23 15:13:37 ---
please have a look at the next two snapshots

eventually it gets clearer then

when the subject is long, as in this example, both actually available header
options are hard to read

case 1
when you look at the message body, you need to "search" for where the msg
begins, it is not clearly visible at first sight

by giving this header a background color like in the example from the other
day, then it is clear, on first sight, easily you see both parts, the end and
the beginning


case 2
when you look at the image with the header _WITHIN_ the search panel, it also
is hard to read, because of subject extension and from/To on the same line.
Worse, it is missing the date, so you need to look up the message again in the
message list above to see it


resume

that I think is about usability, the interface should be nice and easy to read
and to handle, if accomplishing this, more people will like the program

Hans

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 23 15:14:37 2012
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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:14:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2704] suggestion for better readability
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--- Comment #7 from Hans  2012-07-23 15:14:36 ---
Created an attachment (id=1135)
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Header in search panel

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 23 15:15:44 2012
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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:15:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2704] suggestion for better readability
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--- Comment #8 from Hans  2012-07-23 15:15:43 ---
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Header above msg body within msg-preview window

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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Mon Jul 23 13:26:11 2012
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (slitt)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:26:11 -0400
Subject: [Users] Can Claws be set to default to non-threaded folders?
Message-ID: <20120723072611.5d2e3310@mylap>

Hi all,

I use Claws 3.8.0 to access the Dovecot IMAP on my home computer, when
I'm on the road. Claws defaults to threaded folders, and appears to
thread the folders in IMAP, so when I get home, they're threaded on the
Claws-Mail on my home computer too. This is a PITA.

It would be wonderful if I could set Claws to default to non-threaded.
I hate looking at threaded folders. And of course, others love
threading, so it would be great to have it be a setable default.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt


From charlescurley at charlescurley.com  Mon Jul 23 19:08:04 2012
From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:08:04 -0600
Subject: [Users] Can Claws be set to default to non-threaded folders?
In-Reply-To: <20120723072611.5d2e3310@mylap>
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:26:11 -0400
slitt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> It would be wonderful if I could set Claws to default to non-threaded.

View -> Thread View


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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Mon Jul 23 19:22:55 2012
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:22:55 -0400
Subject: [Users] Can Claws be set to default to non-threaded folders?
In-Reply-To: <20120723110804.5a787a51@yendi>
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	<20120723110804.5a787a51@yendi>
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:08:04 -0600, Charles Curley said:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:26:11 -0400
> slitt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> 
> > It would be wonderful if I could set Claws to default to
> > non-threaded.
> 
> View -> Thread View

Thanks Charles.

I misstated my question. I know you can View -> Thread View or its
Ctrl+T shortcut to toggle thread view on one folder.

What I was trying to ask is, when you first install Claws, how do you
configure it so that when you make a new account and import IMAP into
it, the IMAP imports as non-threaded, instead of automatically
threading it as it does now. The way it imports IMAP should be a
choice, IMHO.

Thanks

SteveT

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From linxt at comcast.net  Tue Jul 24 00:54:32 2012
From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:54:32 -0700
Subject: [Users] Unable to create new sub-folder
Message-ID: <20120723155432.5bd22ba2@desktop-1.home>

Hi Folks,
In claws-mail 3.8.1 under openSuSE 12.1 (and 12.2) I tried to create a
sub-folder (Gimp) under a User_Group folder but got an error message: Can't
create the folder "Gimp".  I can create the folder under MH but if I try to
move it to "User_Group" it returns message: Move failed.

I then tried to create a sub-folder "TEST" under "User_Group" and that
succeeded.  Why would that work and not "Gimp"?

Any ideas/suggestions?

Thanks, Tom

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From linxt at comcast.net  Tue Jul 24 01:04:46 2012
From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:04:46 -0700
Subject: [Users] Unable to create new sub-folder (additional)
In-Reply-To: <20120723155432.5bd22ba2@desktop-1.home>
References: <20120723155432.5bd22ba2@desktop-1.home>
Message-ID: <20120723160446.6ee8858c@desktop-1.home>

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:54:32 -0700
Thomas Taylor <linxt at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> In claws-mail 3.8.1 under openSuSE 12.1 (and 12.2) I tried to create a
> sub-folder (Gimp) under a User_Group folder but got an error message: Can't
> create the folder "Gimp".  I can create the folder under MH but if I try to
> move it to "User_Group" it returns message: Move failed.
> 
> I then tried to create a sub-folder "TEST" under "User_Group" and that
> succeeded.  Why would that work and not "Gimp"?
> 
> Any ideas/suggestions?
> 
> Thanks, Tom
> 

Forgot to mention that I had previously had trouble compiling CM 3.8.1 due to a
couple of missing dependencies but that was solved and it compiled nicely.

Also I have an unusual setup.  I use a "common" partition containing all my
user stuff that is normally installed in /home/user and symlink it back to ~/.
CM is one of the items in "common" and is used with all my openSuSE versions,
all using CM 3.8.1 to avoid problems.

I have had another problem with losing some messages in a couple of folders but
that may not be related to the original posted problem.

Thanks, Tom

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 06:29:20 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 06:29:20 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2708] New: suggestion for clearer folder list
	appearance
Message-ID: <bug-2708-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2708

           Summary: suggestion for clearer folder list appearance
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: FreeBSD
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Folder List
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: hm at hm.net.br


Hi

I think the current folder list appearance could be enhanced by a small change.

Actually folders with new msgs are displayed with with bold letters. This can
be somewhat confusing for the eyes and/or orientation. It gets worse when
colors are applied, still more when using several accounts. 

IMO displaying the folder names in bold and/or colored is unnecessary. Who
wants to see if new msgs have arrived could then enable to show the new or
unread message counter.

As an alternative I suggest considering to show the mailbox names in bold
letters. I also think showing (IMAP4|POP3) is unnecessary, additional text only
confuses more. The OP should know what kind of account he configured.

ok, I am attaching an image to compare.

Hans

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 06:30:36 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 06:30:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2708] suggestion for clearer folder list appearance
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--- Comment #1 from Hans  2012-07-24 06:30:35 ---
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folder list appearence comparism

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 06:50:35 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 06:50:35 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2709] New: new configurations are lost after crash
Message-ID: <bug-2709-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2709

           Summary: new configurations are lost after crash
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: FreeBSD
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: hm at hm.net.br


when claws crashes after having changes any configuration, those are lost

apparently the new configuration becomes permanent only after a clean shutdown 

it makes no difference if the metadata option is set to save or fast

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 07:23:55 2012
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 07:23:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2709] new configurations are lost after crash
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--- Comment #1 from Paul  2012-07-24 07:23:54 ---
what file system do you use? I've had plenty of power cuts over the years of
using Claws, but never had any problems. Better to talk about the crashes and
what causes them.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 07:27:23 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 07:27:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2708] suggestion for clearer folder list appearance
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--- Comment #2 from Paul  2012-07-24 07:27:23 ---
Your alternative just doesn't cut it, imo. In fact, I don't agree with any of
your points at all.

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 07:32:05 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 06:32:05 +0100
Subject: [Users] Unable to create new sub-folder
In-Reply-To: <20120723155432.5bd22ba2@desktop-1.home>
References: <20120723155432.5bd22ba2@desktop-1.home>
Message-ID: <20120724063205.320b0e26@thewildbeast>

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:54:32 -0700
Thomas Taylor <linxt at comcast.net> wrote: 

> Any ideas/suggestions?

Try running Claws with --debug and see if you get any (useful)
related output.

with regards

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 07:43:35 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 07:43:35 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2705] Claws crashes when retrieving POP mail
In-Reply-To: <bug-2705-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #3 from Paul  2012-07-24 07:43:35 ---
close as INVALID - not our bug

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 07:49:12 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 07:49:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2709] new configurations are lost after crash
In-Reply-To: <bug-2709-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #2 from Hans  2012-07-24 07:49:12 ---
I tried talking about the crash but no answer :)

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2703

FS is UFS2 / FBSD 9-STABLE i386

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 07:51:41 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 07:51:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2703] claws crash while deleting or moving not fully
	loaded msg
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--- Comment #1 from Paul  2012-07-24 07:51:41 ---
This works for me, I cannot reproduce it. While it is still loading clicking on
'delete' has no effect. Perhaps there is some detail that you've left out?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 07:54:25 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 07:54:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2709] new configurations are lost after crash
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Paul <paul at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |WONTFIX




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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 08:18:55 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 08:18:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2708] suggestion for clearer folder list appearance
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--- Comment #3 from Hans  2012-07-24 08:18:54 ---
well, being so authoritative, I must say then, you probably never have had a
better interface to work with ...

or you do not have a lot of email to handle. Here we read and answer between
100-300 multilingual msgs er day, we can not lose time because of needing a
compass for orientation

usability is the combination of several aspects, it is not only functionality
and personal likes or dislikes. Even if you dislike, the natural "easy to find
and use"always prevailed at the end

the natural way is the obvious way, so when you enhance the visibility of
secondary options then the eye obviously first see these enhanced items and
then need to search for what they really want to see

by enhancing secondary options instead of the primary you cause stress in the
brain, this stress may be supported easily when relaxed or having a quiet job,
but cause a natural anti-reaction when handling more work or being already
under stress. Result is using another interface.

for better understanding, I was not asking for somebody to agree, I was giving
my input for consideration. Consideration requires analysis in first place, but
not simple immediate rejection

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 08:22:52 2012
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 08:22:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2703] claws crash while deleting or moving not fully
	loaded msg
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--- Comment #2 from Hans  2012-07-24 08:22:52 ---
such as? Are there any configuration which might prevent it?

Here I have 100% success rate for the following scenario:

get yourself 3 or more long new and unread messages

* long message is a msg which needs a couple of seconds to appear in the
message preview window

select the first, click on delete icon, click again for deleting the next
message and BAM, crash

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 08:33:39 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 08:33:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2708] suggestion for clearer folder list appearance
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--- Comment #4 from Paul  2012-07-24 08:33:39 ---
Are you truly suggesting that, after many years of usage, the UI was not given
consideration until you made your suggestion? Do you really think that
alternatives to the current layout were not given consideration previously? 

If it's a discussion that you want then the users' mailing list is a better
place than here.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 09:04:15 2012
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 09:04:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2708] suggestion for clearer folder list appearance
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--- Comment #5 from Hans  2012-07-24 09:04:14 ---
please, come on ... :)

first, I have not said that, and I am not making senseless criticism, i am
making a suggestion, no need to take it personal 

they also build for "1000" years the famous london taxi which under all
considerations evolved from a hackney cab to the black cab, but nevertheless is
the most ugly car on earth after the sudden Trabbi Death (Trabant of former
DDR)

but after consideration of all this valid epic history, nobody will buy such a
car for private use ...

so what I am saying is, nothing can be taken for granted as valid only because
it was valid yesterday or over 100 years before ...

also, please do not forget the most important factor here: for small work
anything may serve, for serious work you need serious tools

your other point, if I wanted it for me, I can do it myself for me and would
not post it here, but no problem, what I certainly not wanted is turning this
into a personal discussion. If you would take considerations serious then it
would be YOU who should take it to the user-list and ask for opinions

consider this: I never heard of Claws-Mail before ... I needed a first-aid
solutions for a serious problem. My preferred Seamonkey is actually broken on
FreeBSD. KMail with new Akonadi integrations is not usable for me. Thunderbird
is unusable because of missing browser integration. Gnu-mail is way to old and
ugly. So what? All my support personal, actually over 300 technicians needed an
email client on their machines. After trying and intense searching I found
Claws-Mail. Long story short: why is it that I never heard of it before? Can
you answer it? 

What most ex-users would answer is: it is good, fast, small but there is
something I do not like, don't know what.

Now somebody came and said it. And I am only resuming the opinion of roundabout
300 email professionals. So here is nothing personal, my folks need a good
tool, that's all.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 09:18:33 2012
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 09:18:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2708] suggestion for clearer folder list appearance
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--- Comment #6 from wwp  2012-07-24 09:18:32 ---
Looking at the suggested changes (and screenshot), I don't think it would be
better or worse. Personaly I use color to distinguish different parts of the
folder tree. If you don't like the bold font, define it as non-bold in the
global prefs.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 09:20:59 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 09:20:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2704] suggestion for better readability
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--- Comment #9 from wwp  2012-07-24 09:20:59 ---
I agree on only one point: addresses in the optional header panel should not
only be selectable (which is already the case) but sensitive in the way
addresses in message view are, meaning right-click and context menu/actions
should work on them.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 09:44:31 2012
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 09:44:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2708] suggestion for clearer folder list appearance
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--- Comment #7 from Hans  2012-07-24 09:44:30 ---
nice, the bold font settings I overlooked til now, never tried, makes it
already much easier

the colors are no problem since they can be configured also

may be looking more times at the attached image, you may like the enhanced mail
box names

you can try this, get a white sheet and look at it, you see a white sheet

now draw a small point somewhere on this sheet and look, what your eyes see
first is the point, not the sheet

now draw another point, a bolder one and look again, your eyes automatically
are focusing the bold point

there is nothing to to about, you can even force to focus on the small, on
first sight your eyes go to the bold one

even if already solved the bold font, draw several small points and several
bold points randomly and look again, now something interesting happens, your
brain ask for help, eyes go changing focus automatically between the bold ones
UNTIL you decide which one you want to look at. Now more interesting , remember
one of the bold ones, turn the paper around ad try to look directly to the
remembered one ... probably you will not find it on first sight, you have to
look it up. 

Now draw it in another way, order it, bold reg reg reg, bold reg reg reg, bold
reg reg reg, bold reg reg reg, turn the paper around and try to look first on
the third bold, now it works. Our brain needs order, random does not work well.

so, bottomline is,  a good organized UI benefits productivity

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From edwardp at linuxmail.org  Tue Jul 24 14:41:57 2012
From: edwardp at linuxmail.org (edwardp at linuxmail.org)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 08:41:57 -0400
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2708] suggestion for clearer folder list appearance
Message-ID: <36b7fe37-3402-4cdb-91cd-376af7984656@email.android.com>

I think the current display of the accounts/folders in Claws, is fine the way it is.

I am pleased that Claws has the option to actually rearrange the account titles, which was something recently mentioned in the list. It was something I could not do with Thunderbird.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 15:54:56 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:54:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2124] Repeat events with vCalendar
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--- Comment #1 from chmeeedalf+claws  2012-07-24 15:54:56 ---
I second this.  It would make my workflow much smoother being able to create
repeating events from claws, rather than using the web interface for my
company's email system.

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From linxt at comcast.net  Tue Jul 24 21:05:33 2012
From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:05:33 -0700
Subject: [Users] Unable to create new sub-folder
In-Reply-To: <20120724063205.320b0e26@thewildbeast>
References: <20120723155432.5bd22ba2@desktop-1.home>
	<20120724063205.320b0e26@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20120724120533.2fed88fc@desktop-1.home>

On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 06:32:05 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:54:32 -0700
> Thomas Taylor <linxt at comcast.net> wrote: 
> 
> > Any ideas/suggestions?
> 
> Try running Claws with --debug and see if you get any (useful)
> related output.
> 
> with regards
> 
> Paul
> 
> 

The problem turned out to be old eyes, they didn't see the folder "Gimp" as
opposed to "Gimp-Users".  Working too late at night!

Tom

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From ciamarie at my180.net  Tue Jul 24 21:56:17 2012
From: ciamarie at my180.net (Cia Watson)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:56:17 -0700
Subject: [Users] Claws 3.8.1 crashes on Debian Wheezy with segfault error
In-Reply-To: <20120724054335.A19648541C@mx.colino.net>
References: <bug-2705-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
	<20120724054335.A19648541C@mx.colino.net>
Message-ID: <20120724125617.3cbf87aa@debian.domain.actdsltmp>

In case anyone else runs across this issue, I thought I'd share that
after the bug 2705 was closed by the claws team, as "INVALID - not our
bug", I filed a Debian bug report against libglib2.0-0.

It can be found at:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682685

For the moment, I'm using Claws 3.7.6 on a Debian Squeeze virtual
machine, since using the web interface to check my pop mail isn't much
fun. I copied my Mail folder over and a couple of files from the wheezy
~/.claws-mail folder -- which I hope works just as well in reverse when
the bug is fixed, which will hopefully be soon!

Cia W.
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From linxt at comcast.net  Wed Jul 25 00:24:35 2012
From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:24:35 -0700
Subject: [Users] Alternate mailbox locations?
Message-ID: <20120724152435.034b81e6@desktop-1.home>

I am needing to access some old emails that are on a backup drive.  They are in
MH format (just "Mail" folder copied).  

Not sure if they can just be copied from the backup or need to be imported
somehow.  If they are just copied, what happens to the values in the folders
view?

Suggestions?

Thanks, Tom

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From ciamarie at my180.net  Wed Jul 25 01:33:13 2012
From: ciamarie at my180.net (Cia Watson)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:33:13 -0700
Subject: [Users] Alternate mailbox locations?
In-Reply-To: <20120724152435.034b81e6@desktop-1.home>
References: <20120724152435.034b81e6@desktop-1.home>
Message-ID: <20120724163313.015b3d25@debian.domain.actdsltmp>

On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:24:35 -0700
Thomas Taylor <linxt at comcast.net> wrote:

> I am needing to access some old emails that are on a backup drive.
> They are in MH format (just "Mail" folder copied).  
> 
> Not sure if they can just be copied from the backup or need to be
> imported somehow.  If they are just copied, what happens to the
> values in the folders view?
> 
> Suggestions?

That's a really good question, I'd be curious to know how others handle
it. I don't think just copying them would be a good plan, because
they're saved as individual files that are identified by a number. I'm
not sure how to even be able to sync Mail folders. What I've done when
I have a backup that isn't always kept up-to-date is just rename the
backup folder to something like mail2, and then you could select the
option under > File to >Add Mailbox 

I actually just tested that, and it works just dandy. I think it's
going to look for the MH folder under your /home/yourname directory,
which is where I copied Mail2. So now I'm showing Mail (MH) and all
it's subfolders, and under all that is Mail2 (MH) with it's subfolders.
Now I just need to remove Mail2, without confusing things too much. :-/

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 05:46:40 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 04:46:40 +0100
Subject: [Users] Alternate mailbox locations?
In-Reply-To: <20120724163313.015b3d25@debian.domain.actdsltmp>
References: <20120724152435.034b81e6@desktop-1.home>
	<20120724163313.015b3d25@debian.domain.actdsltmp>
Message-ID: <20120725044640.41ea50e6@thewildbeast>

On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:33:13 -0700
Cia Watson <ciamarie at my180.net> wrote: 

> What I've done when
> I have a backup that isn't always kept up-to-date is just rename the
> backup folder to something like mail2, and then you could select the
> option under > File to >Add Mailbox 
> 
> I actually just tested that, and it works just dandy. I think it's
> going to look for the MH folder under your /home/yourname directory,
> which is where I copied Mail2. 

Yes, using /File/Add mailbox/MH... is the simplest method. In the add
mailbox dialogue you can use a path relative to your home dir (as you
have done) or a full path.

with regards

Paul


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 06:12:56 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:12:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2549] addressbook  error
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--- Comment #3 from Christian Weiske  2012-07-25 06:12:55 ---
I got the same message. Symptoms: Address book empty, and addrbook--index.xml
is 0 bytes.

After removing the 0 byte file, it gets properly recreated and the message does
not appear anymore.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 08:11:29 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:11:29 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2710] New: modal pop ups blocks main window but does
 not remain on top
Message-ID: <bug-2710-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2710

           Summary: modal pop ups blocks main window but does not remain
                    on top
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: FreeBSD
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: hm at hm.net.br


modal windows block the main window what is ok

but they do not stay on top of it, so it is possible that they get to the
background for any reason 

what you have then is a "dead" main windows what may lead then to undesired
actions

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 08:22:01 2012
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:22:01 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2710] modal pop ups blocks main window but does not
 remain on top
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--- Comment #1 from Paul  2012-07-25 08:22:01 ---
what sort of "undesired actions"?

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--- Comment #2 from Paul  2012-07-25 08:26:54 ---
which windows in particular are you talking about?

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--- Comment #3 from Hans  2012-07-25 08:35:05 ---
any ...

what do you do on your Desktop when having a frozen application?

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--- Comment #4 from Paul  2012-07-25 08:37:16 ---
answering a question with another question is not exactly useful

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--- Comment #5 from Hans  2012-07-25 08:50:20 ---
as they say, the answer never can be better then the question :)

it is not the point, the point is that the modal windows does not stay on top

even if there wouldn't be any undesired reaction as for example killing the
dead window, it is annoying because you have to look for the cause. 

bottomline is,  it blocks workflow and cause user's dislike-reaction for the
program because it does not work as it should

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--- Comment #6 from Hans  2012-07-25 08:57:30 ---
I am talking about the claws main window, it gets blocked by modal
windows/boxes

that is correct behavior

but still you can focus the main windows and bring it on top, what is not
correct behavior (as it is locked by the modal process)

it is possible with *ANY* modal box, to reproduce it you only need to open the
configuration window, it comes up on top, then click the main window, it comes
on top but is blocked 

in this case it is easy to solve and in a certain way obvious what is going on
because the configuration window is large, but when it is a small popup, it can
be "hidden" behind the main window and it does not have a taskbar entry, so
there is nothing obvious but a frozen main window

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--- Comment #7 from Abhay S. Kushwaha  2012-07-25 09:03:33 ---
> I am talking about the claws main window, it gets blocked by modal
> windows/boxes
> 
> that is correct behavior
> 
> but still you can focus the main windows and bring it on top, what is not
> correct behavior (as it is locked by the modal process)

I can't replicate that -- whenever such a window comes up, I cannot access the
main claws window. Could you describe 2-3 scenarios on how to replicate this
please.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 09:13:16 2012
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:13:16 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2711] New: unclear metadata configuration option
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           Summary: unclear metadata configuration option
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: FreeBSD
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: hm at hm.net.br


the following is the actual default text appearing in the configuration
options:

#: src/prefs_other.c:515
msgid ""
"Safer mode asks the OS to write metadata to disk directly;\n"
"it avoids data loss after crashes but can take some time."

#: src/prefs_other.c:519
msgid "Safer"

#: src/prefs_other.c:521
msgid "Faster"

when you know what metadata is you may figure out what is being meant, but even
so rest some doubt because it sounds ambigous

my point is, writing directly is supposed to be faster, naturally, but the
option is called SAFER, it is a little bit confusing isn't it?

then it says it can take some time, so here comes my technical doubt. When
using OS's write-to-disk mechanism then safer is the slower mode but it does
not write directly. When short-cutting the write-to-disk method, then it is
faster but may not be safe since the metadata gets updated later, right?

Could you please clarify for me which option in fact does what? I suppose that
SAFER means not direct write and FASTER means direct write. So IMO the
description is not exactly correct.

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--- Comment #8 from Hans  2012-07-25 09:15:41 ---
do you mean by "I cannot access the main claws window" that you can not click
it and bring it to the foreground (on top)?

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--- Comment #9 from Abhay S. Kushwaha  2012-07-25 09:29:04 ---
Correct. I cannot click main window at all. I tried with many windows available
in the Configuration menu, the move message dialog box that comes up when
moving a message, the rename folder dialog box, etc. Claws works perfectly in
all situations.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 09:35:24 2012
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--- Comment #10 from Hans  2012-07-25 09:35:24 ---
well, it sounds then as if it is a FreeBSD or KDE4 related issue

are you using KDE-4.8 ?

soon I have some time left I will try on kde3 and gnome/metacity

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--- Comment #11 from Abhay S. Kushwaha  2012-07-25 10:02:03 ---
No, I'm not. I use Ubuntu and Windows.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 10:43:41 2012
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--- Comment #12 from Hans  2012-07-25 10:43:40 ---
interesting, here a quick list of consistent results:

FreeBSD 8 + 9
Fedora16
with either gnome or KDE4, KDE3, fluxbox as desktop
with KDE4 desktop and Windows manager KWin, Metacity or Compiz

all above combinations permit clicking on main window to bring it on top after
a modal window is opened. The main window is not operational then. 

opening the color edit box from within configurations pops up the color editor.
Now you can click the configuration window and it raises, the color editor
disappears but configurations is blocked. Same with main window from below.

the smallest color editor went to the bottom layer and is disappeared. Unless
you have SHADING enabled (by double clicking the Windows Title bar), there is
no way to see the color editor box and close it then.  

I consider this as a problem.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 11:08:18 2012
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:08:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2712] New: Tools options Create Filter/processing
 Rules is incorrect
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           Summary: Tools options Create Filter/processing Rules is
                    incorrect
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: FreeBSD
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: hm at hm.net.br


menu titles are quite confusing

I did not find my existing rules is what brought me here.

This Titles better say "Manage Filter/Processing Rules" (or similar) instead of
create.

As it is, it is hard to find already existing rules for editing, it is not
obvious that CREATE accesses existing rules

then the submenu could be better adapted to that 

Automatic rules instead Automatically

for the others I have no good idea at this moment but 
Manage Rules
 .. by Subject

is incorrect I guess, may be

Manage Rules
 ... Automatic Rules
 ... based on Subject

sounds better?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 11:40:45 2012
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--- Comment #13 from Andrej Kacian  2012-07-25 11:40:45 ---
I believe we're missing a call to set prefswindow transient for main window.
That could help a bit.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 11:43:51 2012
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--- Comment #14 from Hans  2012-07-25 11:43:50 ---
sounds good, if you like you can send me a patch for 3.8.1 source and I can
check it out here anytime

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--- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian  2012-07-25 12:00:04 ---
The "Safer" option causes lot of fsync() calls to make sure everything in
filesystem cache is really written to storage as soon as possible. This can
cause performance degradation (disk thrashing) on some setups, as compared to
"Faster" option, which is arguably less safe, but leaves the filesystem
synchronization to underlying OS.

Usefulness of manual fsync() calls has been a hotly debated topic few years
back, therefore this config option has been implemented, so user can decide for
themselves.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 12:44:26 2012
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Subject: [Users] [Bug 2712] Tools options Create Filter/processing Rules is
	incorrect
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--- Comment #1 from Andrej Kacian  2012-07-25 12:44:25 ---
The menu option is named correctly. It allows you to create a rule based on
currently selected message (it is also available when right-clicking a message
in summary view).

But perhaps it should be moved from Tools menu to Message menu, since it
operates on current message, as mentioned.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 15:20:31 2012
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Subject: [Users] [Bug 2711] unclear metadata configuration option
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--- Comment #2 from Paul  2012-07-25 15:20:31 ---
this is a bug tracker, use the mailing list for questions

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 15:22:43 2012
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 17:00:53 2012
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:00:53 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2713] New: Add custom search buttons
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           Summary: Add custom search buttons
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.1
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: fbl at sysclose.org


I use tags a lot, so I need to search for tagged emails frequently.  However,
it's not just with tags, but sometimes from addresses and etc...

Having said that, it would be very nice to have a way to add custom search
buttons to the main window (where Reply, All, Sender buttons are).

I thought in adding a 'Search Button', then fill with the search terms and the
selected list of mailboxes to apply.

Another option would be closer to what evolution does. You can create virtual
mailboxes that contains the result of searches. Thus, every time a new email
arrives or is modified (i.e. tagged), this search virtual box is updated.

thanks

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From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Wed Jul 25 18:07:34 2012
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:07:34 -0700
Subject: [Users] RSSyl
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I use CM381 with RSSyl

I get the following error messages:

*** Couldn't fetch URL http://www.lightroomqueen.com/blog/feed/
*** RSSyl: Cannot update feed http://www.lightroomqueen.com/blog/feed/:
Malformed feed
*** Couldn't fetch URL http://newsstandpros.wordpress.com/feed/
*** RSSyl: Cannot update feed http://newsstandpros.wordpress.com/feed/:
Malformed feed
*** Couldn't fetch URL http://collateraldamage.wordpress.com/feed/
*** RSSyl: Cannot update feed http://collateraldamage.wordpress.com/feed/:
Malformed feed
*** Couldn't fetch URL http://chrisguillebeau.com/feed/
*** RSSyl: Cannot update feed http://chrisguillebeau.com/feed/:
Malformed feed

Now when I check the feeds in Opera 11 and 12 they look OK.

Any suggestion on what to look for?

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From andrej at kacian.sk  Wed Jul 25 18:43:37 2012
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:43:37 +0200
Subject: [Users] RSSyl
In-Reply-To: <20120725090734.5fcc5718@from-theboss.911networks.com>
References: <20120725090734.5fcc5718@from-theboss.911networks.com>
Message-ID: <20120725184337.4fff1b88@penny>

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:07:34 -0700
sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote:

> I use CM381 with RSSyl
> 
> I get the following error messages:
> 
> *** Couldn't fetch URL http://www.lightroomqueen.com/blog/feed/
> *** RSSyl: Cannot update feed http://www.lightroomqueen.com/blog/feed/:
> Malformed feed
> *** Couldn't fetch URL http://newsstandpros.wordpress.com/feed/
> *** RSSyl: Cannot update feed http://newsstandpros.wordpress.com/feed/:
> Malformed feed
> *** Couldn't fetch URL http://collateraldamage.wordpress.com/feed/
> *** RSSyl: Cannot update feed http://collateraldamage.wordpress.com/feed/:
> Malformed feed
> *** Couldn't fetch URL http://chrisguillebeau.com/feed/
> *** RSSyl: Cannot update feed http://chrisguillebeau.com/feed/:
> Malformed feed
> 
> Now when I check the feeds in Opera 11 and 12 they look OK.
> 
> Any suggestion on what to look for?
> 

Which version of RSSyl are you using? I've tried first two URLs, and they work
just fine in 0.33.

To debug further, run claws-mail with --debug in X terminal, and when trying
to update any of these feeds, watch the output.

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From ciamarie at my180.net  Wed Jul 25 18:58:14 2012
From: ciamarie at my180.net (Cia Watson)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:58:14 -0700
Subject: [Users] Alternate mailbox locations?
In-Reply-To: <20120725044640.41ea50e6@thewildbeast>
References: <20120724152435.034b81e6@desktop-1.home>
	<20120724163313.015b3d25@debian.domain.actdsltmp>
	<20120725044640.41ea50e6@thewildbeast>
Message-ID: <20120725095814.621ee886@debian.domain.actdsltmp>

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 04:46:40 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:33:13 -0700
> Cia Watson <ciamarie at my180.net> wrote: 
> > I actually just tested that, and it works just dandy. I think it's
> > going to look for the MH folder under your /home/yourname directory,
> > which is where I copied Mail2. 
> 
> Yes, using /File/Add mailbox/MH... is the simplest method. In the add
> mailbox dialogue you can use a path relative to your home dir (as you
> have done) or a full path.

FYI - to remove the mailbox afterward, I just selected the line that
said Mail2 (MH) and right-clicked on it, and it had an option to remove
mailbox. It didn't delete it, it just removed it from the listing in
Claws. 
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From sylpheed at 911networks.com  Wed Jul 25 19:15:19 2012
From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:15:19 -0700
Subject: [Users] RSSyl
In-Reply-To: <20120725184337.4fff1b88@penny>
References: <20120725090734.5fcc5718@from-theboss.911networks.com>
	<20120725184337.4fff1b88@penny>
Message-ID: <20120725101519.6460b887@from-theboss.911networks.com>

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:43:37 +0200
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian.sk> wrote:

>To debug further, run claws-mail with --debug in X terminal, and
>when trying to update any of these feeds, watch the output.

[10:13:42] RSSyl: Updating feed http://collateraldamage.wordpress.com/feed/
feed.c:301:RSSyl: XML - url is 'http://collateraldamage.wordpress.com/feed/'
feed.c:318:RSSyl: waiting for thread to finish
feed.c:142:TEMPLATE: /home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/curltmpVKDG56
feed.c:174:RSSyl: last update 1343236252 (Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:10:52 GMT)
feed.c:211:RSSyl: got status 200, last mod -1 (unknown)
feed.c:323:RSSyl: thread finished
feed.c:349:parsing /home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/curltmpVKDG56
/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/curltmpVKDG56:1: parser error : Document is empty

^
/home/froggy/.claws-mail/RSSyl/curltmpVKDG56:1: parser error : Start tag expected, '<' not found

^
feed.c:357:error Start tag expected, '<' not found


** (claws-mail:21615): WARNING **: Couldn't fetch feed 'http://collateraldamage.wordpress.com/feed/', aborting.


** (claws-mail:21615): WARNING **: [10:13:42] Couldn't fetch URL http://collateraldamage.wordpress.com/feed/


** (claws-mail:21615): WARNING **: [10:13:42] RSSyl: Cannot update feed http://collateraldamage.wordpress.com/feed/:
Malformed feed

Obviously I must be missing something. curl is installed and libcurl3
is also installed

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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Wed Jul 25 19:33:06 2012
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:33:06 -0400
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2710] modal pop ups blocks main window but does
 not remain on top
In-Reply-To: <20120725063717.347C685397@mx.colino.net>
References: <bug-2710-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
	<20120725063717.347C685397@mx.colino.net>
Message-ID: <20120725133306.30dbc7b4@mydesk>

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:37:17 +0200 (CEST), noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk
said:
> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2710
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Comment #4 from Paul  2012-07-25 08:37:16 ---
> answering a question with another question is not exactly useful

Cmon, you know what he means. The modal window hides. You think you're
hung. You reboot. Or you start messing around with the filesystem. Or
who knows, maybe install something.

This symptom's been around forever, but is often described as "frozen"
or "hung". I'd be shocked if anyone using Claws doesn't know it
intimately. We get frozen, then use Alt+Tab looking for the dialog box
requiring action. It's an inconvenience for us, but for the new Claws
user who really believes Claws froze, it could be a showstopper.

SteveT

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From pf at pfortin.com  Wed Jul 25 19:47:21 2012
From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:47:21 -0400
Subject: [Users] Need a clue for compose.c:11077 Condition !compose->batch
	failed
Message-ID: <20120725134721.0202ad32@pfortin.com>

Hi,

Seeing some of these on konsole output where I started CM381cvs14...
Should I be looking for a problem?  
Any clue what triggers these? 

I have several accounts, a number of filters that auto-forward/redirect,
and several screen-fulls of folders -- there's not much of a clue here as
to which filter or message might be triggering these...

compose.c:11077 Condition !compose->batch failed
traceback:
0:      claws-mail() [0x45fc95]
1:      claws-mail(compose_redirect+0x89) [0x4732d9]
2:      claws-mail() [0x47c9e3]
3:      claws-mail(filter_message_by_msginfo+0x1fb) [0x47e41b]
4:      claws-mail(procmsg_msglist_filter+0x1c7) [0x53cf47]
5:      claws-mail() [0x4a8ab6]
6:      claws-mail(inc_all_account_mail+0x1b7) [0x4aa5f7]
7:      claws-mail() [0x4aa710]
8:      /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0(+0x446fb) [0x7fdfffbfe6fb]
9:      /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_main_context_dispatch+0x1f3)
[0x7fdfffbfcdc3] 10:     /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0(+0x435a0)
[0x7fdfffbfd5a0] 11:     /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_main_loop_run+0x182)
[0x7fdfffbfdc12] 12:     /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_main+0xa7)
[0x7fe00536af47] 13:     claws-mail(main+0x1d5a) [0x4af89a]
14:     /lib64/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xfd) [0x7fdffd7b3c3d]
15:     claws-mail() [0x4452a9]
++ STATS ++ SENT 24 22 2

Thanks,
Pierre


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 20:52:35 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:52:35 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2710] modal pop ups blocks main window but does not
 remain on top
In-Reply-To: <bug-2710-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2710-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120725185235.CD34885432@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2710





--- Comment #15 from users  2012-07-25 20:52:34 ---
Changes related to this bug have been committed.
Please check latest CVS and update the bug accordingly.
You can also get the patch from:
http://www.claws-mail.org/tracker/

2012-07-25 [ticho]    3.8.1cvs17

    * src/gtk/prefswindow.c
        Correctly set transient_for property for preferences window,
        as well as for color picker dialogs. Fixes bug #2710.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 21:01:30 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:01:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2710] modal pop ups blocks main window but does not
 remain on top
In-Reply-To: <bug-2710-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2710-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #16 from Andrej Kacian  2012-07-25 21:01:29 ---
Both mentioned windows have been fixed in this regard - they should no longer
be able to hide beneath their "parent" window. Also quicksearch syntax help
window has been fixed similarly (even though it's not modal).
Can you think of other modal dialogs which can be hidden like that?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 22:31:30 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:31:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2713] Add custom search buttons
In-Reply-To: <bug-2713-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2713-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120725203130.163D685397@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2713


Holger Berndt <hb at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |DUPLICATE
           Severity|normal                      |enhancement




--- Comment #1 from Holger Berndt  2012-07-25 22:31:29 ---
It should be possible to use the Python plugin to create toolbar buttons that
populate/trigger the quicksearch.

As for virtual folders, that's a duplicate.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 2250 ***

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 22:31:30 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:31:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2250] Virtual folders
In-Reply-To: <bug-2250-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2250-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120725203130.66A7385432@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2250


Holger Berndt <hb at claws-mail.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
                 CC|                            |fbl at sysclose.org




--- Comment #7 from Holger Berndt  2012-07-25 22:31:29 ---
*** Bug 2713 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Wed Jul 25 23:04:15 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:04:15 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2710] modal pop ups blocks main window but does
 not remain on top
In-Reply-To: <20120725133306.30dbc7b4@mydesk>
References: <bug-2710-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
	<20120725063717.347C685397@mx.colino.net>
	<20120725133306.30dbc7b4@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20120725220415.2cd776ba@thewildbeast>

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:33:06 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote: 

> Cmon, you know what he means.

Many, many thanks for your input.


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 07:40:01 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:40:01 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2711] unclear metadata configuration option
In-Reply-To: <bug-2711-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2711-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #3 from Hans  2012-07-26 07:40:00 ---
ok, means that the options are correct

once again I now was bitten another translation error (pt_BR) 

the pt_BR is "immediate write to disk" instead of "direct write to disk", what
then rises the questions I made

thanks for clarification

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 07:52:02 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:52:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2710] modal pop ups blocks main window but does not
 remain on top
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--- Comment #17 from Hans  2012-07-26 07:52:00 ---
wow nice and fast!

it's working, thanks

the quicksearch help can not be clodes by clicking X, only by when clicking
Close button

all file open boxes, also form plugins like "load plugin" or Install new theme
still are  going into the background, also 
Address Keeper Plugin=>Select Addressbook
Notification plugin=>Command=>Select Folder
Keyboard Shortcuts=> chose predefined shortcuts
Colors=>click on any color the color select box still is affected

that's it I guess
thanks again

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 07:56:52 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:56:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2712] Tools options Create Filter/processing Rules is
	incorrect
In-Reply-To: <bug-2712-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #2 from Hans  2012-07-26 07:56:52 ---
not entirely correct

sure it creates but it also gives you access to already existing rules

indeed it seems to be the ONLY option to get access to existing rules, I spent
a "lot of time" :) figuring out how to get there

therefor I made the suggestion to give it a clearer name

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 08:12:22 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:12:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2712] Tools options Create Filter/processing Rules is
	incorrect
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--- Comment #3 from Paul  2012-07-26 08:12:22 ---
/Configuration/Filtering
/Configuration/Pre-processing
/Configuration/Post-processing

Context menu of a folder, /Processing

http://www.claws-mail.org/manual/claws-mail-manual.html#handling_filters

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 08:35:13 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:35:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2712] Tools options Create Filter/processing Rules is
	incorrect
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--- Comment #4 from Hans  2012-07-26 08:35:13 ---
well, none of them shows up with my existing rules created by Create Rule

even if it worked, just another inconsistency, answer it for yourself, why
having two options, with different names, giving access to the same procedure?
It's confusing.

you could eliminate one of them and give it a more comprehensive name

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 08:57:10 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:57:10 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2712] Tools options Create Filter/processing Rules is
	incorrect
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--- Comment #5 from Paul  2012-07-26 08:57:10 ---
> well, none of them shows up with my existing rules 
> created by Create Rule

Maybe if you were a bit more explicit with your description, (e.g. there is no
'Create Rule' menu item), then your mistake could be explained to you.

> even if it worked, just another inconsistency, answer it 
> for yourself, why having two options, with different names, 
> giving access to the same procedure? It's confusing.

It was decided long ago, long before you showed up, that this was none of these
things that you claim. They are actually 2 different procedures - one creates a
filter rule from the selected message, the other doesn't.

> you could eliminate one of them and give it a more 
> comprehensive name

See above.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 09:23:08 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:23:08 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2712] Tools options Create Filter/processing Rules is
	incorrect
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--- Comment #6 from Hans  2012-07-26 09:23:07 ---
please stop picking on me, I do not need lecture, if you look with objective
eyes you will see exactly the same I see

if it is not inconsistency then it is redundancy what both leads to confusion,
that's the point, not me not you or your work

when I spend my time here it is because I like the program, not to fight with
somebody ... and my intention is trying to make it better

so it does not help when you are looking with blinders onto something, unless
the spot it is the only thing you want to see

but if my input is not desired here, just say it and I hold my peace 

until then back to the point:

it is not exactly correct what you say, on MY version it is this what I see:

both options, either Tools=>Create or Config=>Filter give access to the exact
same options box, what permits to CREATE a rule

nevertheless, Tools=>CREATE gives me access to rules created before 

Config=Filter _DOES_NOT_ give me access to existing rules, but I can CREATE
rules

so BOTH let me create - you say only one creates

only one let me access already created rules, what is for me here the CREATE
option

and that seems not to be confusing only to me, you yourself are pretty
confused, because it is not like you say ... :)

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Subject: [Users] [Bug 2712] Tools options Create Filter/processing Rules is
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--- Comment #7 from wwp  2012-07-26 09:34:20 ---
er.. who on Earth has objective eyes? You? By definition, you show your own
subjectivity, apparently a strong one. Not sure I share 100% of your opinions
(even if some ones you reported were pertinent). You're just discovering a new
applicatio, you should accept this learning curve and accept the differences,
instead of attempting to format CM to the way other applications you used
before.

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--- Comment #8 from Andrej Kacian  2012-07-26 09:53:01 ---
> so BOTH let me create - you say only one creates
> 
> only one let me access already created rules, what is for me here the CREATE option

With all due respect, Hans, you're wrong here - both mentioned menu options
open up the same filter configuration dialog with existing rules visible, and
both allow you to create new rules, as well as manage existing ones.

The difference is that one of them saves you some work by preparing condition
part of a new filter rule for you to finish. Please do not try to argue
otherwise, most of us have been using this feature for years, so it's a bit
awkward when you try to convince us that it doesn't work.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 10:03:27 2012
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:03:27 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2712] Tools options Create Filter/processing Rules is
	incorrect
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--- Comment #9 from Hans  2012-07-26 10:03:27 ---
I'm not trying to convince you, better you believe it is so (here), so step by
step:

I create a processing rule with Tools=>Create proc.Rule=>on From:

rule created, works, I go to the mailbox and desired msgs are moved into the
folder I configured

Now, you say I can access the rule for editing or deleting by going to
Config==> Pre-Processing Rules

negative, nothing there, the box is empty, also Filter and post-proc., no rule
in either of them

The Only way I can get to the created rule is, Tools=>Create Proc Rule=>on
FROM:

there it is, all formerly created rules are there

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 10:18:01 2012
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:18:01 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2712] Tools options Create Filter/processing Rules is
	incorrect
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--- Comment #10 from Colin Leroy  2012-07-26 10:18:00 ---
Hi,

Processing rules are per-folder and you can find them back right-clicking on
the folder.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 10:23:30 2012
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:23:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2710] modal pop ups blocks main window but does not
 remain on top
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--- Comment #18 from Hans  2012-07-26 10:23:30 ---
I need to add something odd

BTW the dictionary selection is very nice now

after applying the patches

after some use, after opening a new msg I can not write anything in it, it is
blocked, I can only go back to main window, close the program to get
functionality back

now I double checked for example the color chooser 

at first sight it is OK (I related before it is not), but now it stays on top

but after some use, not anymore

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 10:29:05 2012
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:29:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2712] Tools options Create Filter/processing Rules is
	incorrect
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--- Comment #11 from Hans  2012-07-26 10:29:05 ---
the only option I see when right-clicking on the folder is "Executing
Processing rules"

when I click the menu option "Processing" it is empty

but since I get used to double check, I tried again and yo... now they are
there

the rules are not showing up on first click when using
right_click_folder=>Processing

but still Config=Filter|Pre|Post give me nothing, either first nor second click

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 12:16:44 2012
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:16:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2712] Tools options Create Filter/processing Rules is
	incorrect
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--- Comment #12 from Brian Morrison  2012-07-26 12:16:43 ---
Hans, I think you're not looking in the correct place for the rules you have
created.

Filtering and processing are separate, you won't see filtering rules in the
list of processing rules.

Filtering is run on the inbox whereas processing works on individual folders
for rules created per-folder and globally for processing rules created from the
Tools and Configuration menus. With these you can choose whether the rules are
run before the folder rules or after them.

You will not see all the rules you have created in any one dialog box, the
system is not designed to work that way because the way it is designed is more
flexible.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 12:57:43 2012
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:57:43 +0200 (CEST)
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--- Comment #13 from Hans  2012-07-26 12:57:42 ---
of course i know that filter and proc rules are different ones

lets pick one for now

I created a Proc.Rule with Tools=>Create=>by Sender From:

good?

If I understand your former responses, I should access this rule later to edit,
disable or delete by Config=>Pre-Processing

that is not the case, it is empty

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 13:03:39 2012
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:03:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2712] Tools options Create Filter/processing Rules is
	incorrect
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--- Comment #14 from Colin Leroy  2012-07-26 13:03:39 ---
No. 
Pre-processing rules are executed before processing rules, and are shared
across folders while processing rules are per-folder.

Post-processing rules are executed after processing rules, and are shared
across folders.

Filtering rules are executed when retrieving mails, while *processing rules are
executed when entering folders.

All af this is documented in the user manual that you can find online at
http://www.claws-mail.org/documentation.php and offline using Help/Manual.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 13:18:03 2012
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:18:03 +0200 (CEST)
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--- Comment #15 from Hans  2012-07-26 13:18:02 ---
ok, first clear answer

and now we can come back to where I started this PR

the TITLE of Tools=>Create Filter ... is incorrect
(as well as Create Proc.Rule)

because it does not only create but ALSO gives access to the created filters or
rules

so my suggestion was to change this title into something more obvious like 

[Manage] Filter Rules
and 
[Manage] Process Rules

that was all

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 13:52:57 2012
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:52:57 +0200 (CEST)
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--- Comment #16 from Andrej Kacian  2012-07-26 13:52:57 ---
No. The menu items are named appropriately. If you do not like it, feel free to
change it in your local copy of Claws Mail, and you're even welcome to
distribute such changed copy further (while abiding to GPLv3).

If you wish to discuss this further, please take it to Users mailing list.
Bugzilla is not suitable for such discussions.

Thanks.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 14:07:48 2012
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:07:48 +0200 (CEST)
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--- Comment #17 from Brian Morrison  2012-07-26 14:07:47 ---
>I created a Proc.Rule with Tools=>Create=>by Sender From:
>
>good?
>
>If I understand your former responses, I should access this rule later to edit,
>disable or delete by Config=>Pre-Processing
>
>that is not the case, it is empty

Yes it will be, because processing rules created in this way are applied to the
folder which is selected at the time you create the rule, you will find them by
right clicking the folder you were in and selecting Processing Rules from the
context menu.

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From freebsd at grem.de  Thu Jul 26 14:51:44 2012
From: freebsd at grem.de (Michael Gmelin)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:51:44 +0200
Subject: [Users] IMAP search of message body causes download of mails
Message-ID: <20120726145144.31f3a569@bsd64.grem.de>

Hi,

I noticed that searching messages bodies through
Edit->Search Folder... causes a massive stream of incoming data that
ends in the imapcache. Therefore I assume that claws is actually
searching the mails locally and not on the server - which also
explains why search is slow on big folders. As far as I know server side
search is supported by both dovecot and courier-imap, so I wonder if
this is a configuration issue of claws or the IMAP server, or if this
feature is currently just not supported (it seems to work using other
clients, so the server side is probably ok).

Thanks,
Michael

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From mistlail at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jul 27 19:45:47 2012
From: mistlail at yahoo.co.uk (Albert Skye)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:45:47 -0700
Subject: [Users] automatic mail retrieval interval
Message-ID: <20120727104547.43f247fa@nance>

I like to get mail at different intervals for different accounts
(e.g., get mail from mailing lists less often)
but it appears that CM either
gets mail for all accounts at the same interval
or requires manual retrieval

an optional interval per account would be useful
to override the default

it might also be useful to enable the trayicon plugin
to ignore new mail in specified accounts

or have I missed something?

askye


From rezso at rezso.net  Sat Jul 28 18:43:47 2012
From: rezso at rezso.net (=?UTF-8?B?UMOhZGVyIFJlenPFkQ==?=)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:43:47 +0200
Subject: [Users] automatic mail retrieval interval
In-Reply-To: <20120727104547.43f247fa@nance>
References: <20120727104547.43f247fa@nance>
Message-ID: <20120728184347.59053fbd@papi.home>

Try this:
http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2552

> an optional interval per account would be useful
> to override the default

Regards,

rezso
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From sitaramc at gmail.com  Sat Jul 28 19:29:50 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:59:50 +0530
Subject: [Users] number of widgets per row on address (to/cc/...) fields
Message-ID: <CAMK1S_jtyEu9dNtLtrOaJH0moZKOAuFbAB7dukoZ+xe9wH3dDA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm a recent convert from Thunderbird, pulled in by the search feature
being much nicer (for me anyway).  At present I like *everything*
about claws, except the mail compose window.

This window is (my subjective opinion) very annoying for keyboard-only users.

Specifically, navigating from one address line to the next requires 4
tab keys, because there are 4 widgets on each row.  TB gives you the
same function [1] with 2 widgets.

This makes several tasks require more keystrokes than they *should*.
Anyone who also has TB somewhere can compare keystrokes for the
following activities:

  - new email, add 2 addresses, subject, body
  - reply all, but halfway through writing the body you realise you
need to add a couple of others into the cc/to
  - same but you realise you need to remove some of the existing recipients
(and variations of such operations).

Can we have an option to remove the first and last widgets (in tab
order) on each address row?

[1] custom headers cannot be simply typed but can be added into the
config so they also appear in the drop-down.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sat Jul 28 20:31:49 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:31:49 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2714] New: Configuration - Preferences - fonts goes
 back to default
Message-ID: <bug-2714-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2714

           Summary: Configuration - Preferences - fonts goes back to
                    default
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.7.9
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P3
         Component: UI/Message View
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: lists at the-solomons.net


After changing the font and hitting apply, I see the new font as expected. But
the next time I run the program the font is back to the default value of
Monospace 10.

Claws Mail 3.7.9 - KDE 4.6.5 - LINUX Mandriva 2011.0

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From dan_arico at aricosystems.com  Sat Jul 28 22:13:55 2012
From: dan_arico at aricosystems.com (Dan Arico)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:13:55 -0400
Subject: [Users] number of widgets per row on address (to/cc/...) fields
In-Reply-To: <CAMK1S_jtyEu9dNtLtrOaJH0moZKOAuFbAB7dukoZ+xe9wH3dDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMK1S_jtyEu9dNtLtrOaJH0moZKOAuFbAB7dukoZ+xe9wH3dDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120728161355.5236476e.dan_arico@aricosystems.com>

On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:59:50 +0530
Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm a recent convert from Thunderbird, pulled in by the search feature
> being much nicer (for me anyway).  At present I like *everything*
> about claws, except the mail compose window.
> 
> This window is (my subjective opinion) very annoying for
> keyboard-only users.
> 
> Specifically, navigating from one address line to the next requires 4
> tab keys, because there are 4 widgets on each row.  TB gives you the
> same function [1] with 2 widgets.

Use the arrow keys. It's much quicker.

Dan Arico

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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Sun Jul 29 01:44:19 2012
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 19:44:19 -0400
Subject: [Users] Claws config needs much better documentation
Message-ID: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>

Hi all,

I'm finding it insanely difficult to configure things in Claws.

My daily driver desktop's Claws is set up just about exactly how I want
it, but no matter what I do, I can't get my laptops' Clawses to work
the same way. My desktop is Claws 3.7.9 on Ubuntu 11.10, and was
upgraded from whatever they had on Ubuntu 11.04. My laptops are Claws
3.8.0 from Ubuntu 12.04.

My desktop uses d instead of Ctrl+d for delete (or move to trash, not
sure which), and when you delete one mail, the highlight on the message
list goes to the next message, and that message loads.

Not so for the Claws on my laptops. There, when I try to set the hotkey
to d, by hitting the keystroke while the highlight is on the menu item,
for either delete or move to trash, instead of changing it to d, it
just deletes the item after an "are you sure" screen. I tried to
configure it in the various resource files in $HOME/.claws-mail, and
the changes got undone by the app.

Also, on my laptops, when the highlight on the message list falls on an
email by any other method except mouseclick, the message doesn't load.
You have to hit Enter to have it load. Worse, the contents of a
previous message stay on the screen, so if I'm not careful I'll delete
a good message thinking it's the bad one currently on the screen. I've
found no way to change this behavior, and no rhyme or reason why one of
my Clawses behaves the way I want, and the others don't (Note, my
desktop setup hits its own IMAP server, while the laptops access that
same desktop server's IMAP).

This might sound like minor stuff, but when you're dealing with 500 or
so emails a day, optimal configuration could easily save 1/2 hour per
day.

I went all through the user manual, and little if anything was said
about any of this. Does anyone know of good, complete and accurate
Claws documentation that tells how to configure things?

Thanks

SteveT

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From freebsd at grem.de  Sun Jul 29 02:08:51 2012
From: freebsd at grem.de (Michael Gmelin)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 02:08:51 +0200
Subject: [Users] Claws config needs much better documentation
In-Reply-To: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
References: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20120729020851.42312246@bsd64.grem.de>

On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 19:44:19 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm finding it insanely difficult to configure things in Claws.
> 
> My daily driver desktop's Claws is set up just about exactly how I
> want it, but no matter what I do, I can't get my laptops' Clawses to
> work the same way. My desktop is Claws 3.7.9 on Ubuntu 11.10, and was
> upgraded from whatever they had on Ubuntu 11.04. My laptops are Claws
> 3.8.0 from Ubuntu 12.04.
> 
> My desktop uses d instead of Ctrl+d for delete (or move to trash, not
> sure which), and when you delete one mail, the highlight on the
> message list goes to the next message, and that message loads.
> 
> Not so for the Claws on my laptops. There, when I try to set the
> hotkey to d, by hitting the keystroke while the highlight is on the
> menu item, for either delete or move to trash, instead of changing it
> to d, it just deletes the item after an "are you sure" screen. I
> tried to configure it in the various resource files in
> $HOME/.claws-mail, and the changes got undone by the app.
> 
> Also, on my laptops, when the highlight on the message list falls on
> an email by any other method except mouseclick, the message doesn't
> load. You have to hit Enter to have it load. Worse, the contents of a
> previous message stay on the screen, so if I'm not careful I'll delete
> a good message thinking it's the bad one currently on the screen. I've
> found no way to change this behavior, and no rhyme or reason why one
> of my Clawses behaves the way I want, and the others don't (Note, my
> desktop setup hits its own IMAP server, while the laptops access that
> same desktop server's IMAP).
> 
> This might sound like minor stuff, but when you're dealing with 500 or
> so emails a day, optimal configuration could easily save 1/2 hour per
> day.
> 
> I went all through the user manual, and little if anything was said
> about any of this. Does anyone know of good, complete and accurate
> Claws documentation that tells how to configure things?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> SteveT
> 
> Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
>                           *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
> Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance
> 
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> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

Hi Steve,

Have considered copying the ~/.claws-mail directory of your desktop
machine to your laptop? Or at least ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc or doing a
diff of the various rc files to see where they're different. This will
give you the exact same setup. (making a backup of ~/.claws-mail
beforehand won't hurt of course).

The behavior of CTRL-D on your desktop vs. your laptop sounds
like it has been mapped to delete for the whole machine - delete does
in claws-mail what you're describing - if you try using CTRL-D in a
text editor (preferably GTK based like gedit, since this should use the
same toolkit options) you will probably see that your desktop deletes a
character while your laptop doesn't. If this is the case, it's easiest
to fix this for your installation.

Having to hit Enter to read a message is actually not a bug but a
feature (which I personally love), but you can easily customize this to
whatever you prefer under "Preferences -> Display -> Summaries ->
Open message when selected". If you just clone your ~/.claws-mail folder
like I suggested above this will be configured as well.

Cheers,
Michael

(just in case, better safe than sorry: ~ expands to your user's home
directory in the shell. So if your user name is steve, ~ expands most
likely to /home/steve and your claws-mail directory is
at /home/steve/.claws-mail). 

-- 
Michael Gmelin


From sitaramc at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 02:23:36 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 05:53:36 +0530
Subject: [Users] number of widgets per row on address (to/cc/...) fields
In-Reply-To: <20120728161355.5236476e.dan_arico@aricosystems.com>
References: <CAMK1S_jtyEu9dNtLtrOaJH0moZKOAuFbAB7dukoZ+xe9wH3dDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120728161355.5236476e.dan_arico@aricosystems.com>
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 1:43 AM, Dan Arico <dan_arico at aricosystems.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:59:50 +0530
> Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm a recent convert from Thunderbird, pulled in by the search feature
>> being much nicer (for me anyway).  At present I like *everything*
>> about claws, except the mail compose window.
>>
>> This window is (my subjective opinion) very annoying for
>> keyboard-only users.
>>
>> Specifically, navigating from one address line to the next requires 4
>> tab keys, because there are 4 widgets on each row.  TB gives you the
>> same function [1] with 2 widgets.
>
> Use the arrow keys. It's much quicker.

Doh!  <smack palm to forehead>

Thanks!  It's safe to say you literally saved me a few hours work
migrating back to TB because this was frustrating me enough to
consider doing just that.  (And since I love the rest of claws I was
even cooking up ways to use TB only for *writing* emails -- since most
of my active mail is on an IMAP server that would be quite doable!)

I *still* dont like those extra widgets (I think they're a waste, if
you ever see how TB does it you'll know) but now it's only a
philosophical point and not a real irritant to my actual *use*!


From sitaramc at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 02:36:36 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:06:36 +0530
Subject: [Users] Claws config needs much better documentation
In-Reply-To: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
References: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
Message-ID: <CAMK1S_je3GAkKvGaSNCdw5LRBAkCSV3hSD9E0QqMazJDTsCXvw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 5:14 AM, Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> You have to hit Enter to have it load. Worse, the contents of a
> previous message stay on the screen, so if I'm not careful I'll delete
> a good message thinking it's the bad one currently on the screen. I've

Dear claws guys,

The default for "Open message when selected" (in Display/Summaries) is unsafe.

I'm one of those guys who goes through every menu/setting in detail
when exploring a new program so I caught that early but I can
certainly imagine a new user migrating from almost any other mail
client losing stuff due to this problem because no other program does
this -- make the message list and message body go out of sync.


From fbl at sysclose.org  Sun Jul 29 03:16:55 2012
From: fbl at sysclose.org (Flavio Leitner)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:16:55 -0300
Subject: [Users] number of widgets per row on address (to/cc/...) fields
In-Reply-To: <CAMK1S_gDfZ7yyJXTrCoN0+UFuZOT=uE8jTQiN=5R9xWhae22hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMK1S_jtyEu9dNtLtrOaJH0moZKOAuFbAB7dukoZ+xe9wH3dDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120728161355.5236476e.dan_arico@aricosystems.com>
	<CAMK1S_gDfZ7yyJXTrCoN0+UFuZOT=uE8jTQiN=5R9xWhae22hg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120728221655.7bf8b437@obelix.rh>

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 05:53:36 +0530
Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 1:43 AM, Dan Arico <dan_arico at aricosystems.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:59:50 +0530
> > Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I'm a recent convert from Thunderbird, pulled in by the search feature
> >> being much nicer (for me anyway).  At present I like *everything*
> >> about claws, except the mail compose window.
> >>
> >> This window is (my subjective opinion) very annoying for
> >> keyboard-only users.
> >>
> >> Specifically, navigating from one address line to the next requires 4
> >> tab keys, because there are 4 widgets on each row.  TB gives you the
> >> same function [1] with 2 widgets.
> >
> > Use the arrow keys. It's much quicker.
> 
> Doh!  <smack palm to forehead>
> 
> Thanks!  It's safe to say you literally saved me a few hours work
> migrating back to TB because this was frustrating me enough to
> consider doing just that.  (And since I love the rest of claws I was
> even cooking up ways to use TB only for *writing* emails -- since most
> of my active mail is on an IMAP server that would be quite doable!)
> 
> I *still* dont like those extra widgets (I think they're a waste, if
> you ever see how TB does it you'll know) but now it's only a
> philosophical point and not a real irritant to my actual *use*!

It would be nice if someone write a doc explaining how to use
claws-mail with keyboard only.  These details, like using the
arrow keys, helps a lot and it's not obvious to everybody.

fbl


From sitaramc at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 04:52:43 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 08:22:43 +0530
Subject: [Users] number of widgets per row on address (to/cc/...) fields
In-Reply-To: <CAMK1S_gDfZ7yyJXTrCoN0+UFuZOT=uE8jTQiN=5R9xWhae22hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMK1S_jtyEu9dNtLtrOaJH0moZKOAuFbAB7dukoZ+xe9wH3dDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120728161355.5236476e.dan_arico@aricosystems.com>
	<CAMK1S_gDfZ7yyJXTrCoN0+UFuZOT=uE8jTQiN=5R9xWhae22hg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMK1S_jatp9rPvtwG6gnpDs+7qCDWh3ySWYq=GVxqVarJbmjhQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 5:53 AM, Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:

> I *still* dont like those extra widgets (I think they're a waste, if
> you ever see how TB does it you'll know) but now it's only a
> philosophical point and not a real irritant to my actual *use*!

Ticho,

On that note, I think the patch you sent me on irc is very nice.  It
leaves the widget as is for mouse users, while skipping over it for
keyboarders tabbing through.

You should probably do that for the last widget also.  Eqvuivalent
keyboard sequence would be Ctrl-A, then Delete -- yes it's 2
keystrokes but it's a less common operation than tabbing to the next
row so it should be fine.

(I'm happy with the arrow keys solution so consider this only a
suggestion from a visual clutter/aesthetic/etc perspective.  This
issue is no longer a show-stopper for me).

-- 
Sitaram


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 29 11:33:41 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:33:41 +0100
Subject: [Users] Claws config needs much better documentation
In-Reply-To: <CAMK1S_je3GAkKvGaSNCdw5LRBAkCSV3hSD9E0QqMazJDTsCXvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
	<CAMK1S_je3GAkKvGaSNCdw5LRBAkCSV3hSD9E0QqMazJDTsCXvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120729103341.72613d93@thewildbeast>

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:06:36 +0530
Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote: 

> The default for "Open message when selected" (in Display/Summaries)
> is unsafe.
> 
> I'm one of those guys who goes through every menu/setting in detail
> when exploring a new program so I caught that early but I can
> certainly imagine a new user migrating from almost any other mail
> client losing stuff due to this problem because no other program
> does this -- make the message list and message body go out of sync.

To be fair, that's slightly overstated. You don't lose stuff, it goes
to the trash folder. Also, the user would have to not notice that as
he moves through the message list with the cursor keys the message
view does not change.

But, having said that, perhaps the default for that option could be
changed.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 29 11:39:34 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:39:34 +0100
Subject: [Users] Claws config needs much better documentation
In-Reply-To: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
References: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20120729103934.0382d0cc@thewildbeast>

On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 19:44:19 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote: 

> Worse, the contents of a
> previous message stay on the screen, so if I'm not careful I'll
> delete a good message thinking it's the bad one currently on the
> screen. I've found no way to change this behavior, and no rhyme or
> reason why one of my Clawses behaves the way I want, and the others
> don't
<snip>
> I went all through the user manual, and little if anything was said
> about any of this. Does anyone know of good, complete and accurate
> Claws documentation that tells how to configure things?

As has already been said, why not copy the config files? You mean
you'll move the 'good' msg to the trash folder rather than delete it.

I guess you didn't look at the (user contributed) FAQ,
http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Interface#How_to_automatically_show_the_selected_message_in_the_message_window.3F

The manual was never intended to cover every single thing. It was
always intended to be a quickly-up-and-running guide.

with regards

Paul


-- 
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but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 29 11:42:33 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:42:33 +0100
Subject: [Users] number of widgets per row on address (to/cc/...) fields
In-Reply-To: <20120728221655.7bf8b437@obelix.rh>
References: <CAMK1S_jtyEu9dNtLtrOaJH0moZKOAuFbAB7dukoZ+xe9wH3dDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120728161355.5236476e.dan_arico@aricosystems.com>
	<CAMK1S_gDfZ7yyJXTrCoN0+UFuZOT=uE8jTQiN=5R9xWhae22hg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120728221655.7bf8b437@obelix.rh>
Message-ID: <20120729104233.35a73ad0@thewildbeast>

On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:16:55 -0300
Flavio Leitner <fbl at sysclose.org> wrote: 

> It would be nice if someone write a doc explaining how to use
> claws-mail with keyboard only.  These details, like using the
> arrow keys, helps a lot and it's not obvious to everybody.

Feel free to offer a contribution by sending additions for the manual
and/or FAQ. You don't need to know it all to start the ball rolling.

with regards

Paul


-- 
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but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From sitaramc at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 12:16:30 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:46:30 +0530
Subject: [Users] Claws config needs much better documentation
In-Reply-To: <20120729103341.72613d93@thewildbeast>
References: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
	<CAMK1S_je3GAkKvGaSNCdw5LRBAkCSV3hSD9E0QqMazJDTsCXvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120729103341.72613d93@thewildbeast>
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 06:06:36 +0530
> Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The default for "Open message when selected" (in Display/Summaries)
>> is unsafe.
>>
>> I'm one of those guys who goes through every menu/setting in detail
>> when exploring a new program so I caught that early but I can
>> certainly imagine a new user migrating from almost any other mail
>> client losing stuff due to this problem because no other program
>> does this -- make the message list and message body go out of sync.
>
> To be fair, that's slightly overstated. You don't lose stuff, it goes
> to the trash folder. Also, the user would have to not notice that as

IMO that's still pretty bad.

The real problem is it's not intuitive to a lot of people.  Violates
principle of least astonishment (or some such name).

> he moves through the message list with the cursor keys the message
> view does not change.
>
> But, having said that, perhaps the default for that option could be
> changed.

yes please, even though it won't affect me and I caught it before it
did when I first started using it.


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 29 13:10:56 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:10:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2552] in automatic checking,
 enable the use of different time intervals
In-Reply-To: <bug-2552-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2552-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120729111056.3EAA885388@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2552


Yed <yedvilun at gmail.com> changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Yed  2012-07-29 13:10:55 ---
Created an attachment (id=1138)
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Patch version 2

Update: patch version 2

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 29 13:13:42 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:13:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2552] in automatic checking,
 enable the use of different time intervals
In-Reply-To: <bug-2552-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2552-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2552





--- Comment #2 from Yed  2012-07-29 13:13:41 ---
Adding the patch version 2.

The accounts using a specific time interval was not first checked at startup, 
but only after the time interval.

Thanks to P�der Rezs&#337; for pointing this out.

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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Sun Jul 29 19:43:19 2012
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:43:19 -0400
Subject: [Users] Claws config needs much better documentation
In-Reply-To: <20120729020851.42312246@bsd64.grem.de>
References: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
	<20120729020851.42312246@bsd64.grem.de>
Message-ID: <20120729134319.691db34e@mydesk>

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 02:08:51 +0200
Michael Gmelin <freebsd at grem.de> wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 19:44:19 -0400
> Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I'm finding it insanely difficult to configure things in Claws.
> > 
[clip]
> > 
> > This might sound like minor stuff, but when you're dealing with 500
> > or so emails a day, optimal configuration could easily save 1/2
> > hour per day.
> > 
> > I went all through the user manual, and little if anything was said
> > about any of this. Does anyone know of good, complete and accurate
> > Claws documentation that tells how to configure things?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > SteveT
> > 
> > Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
> >                           *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
> > Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Users mailing list
> > Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> Have considered copying the ~/.claws-mail directory of your desktop
> machine to your laptop? 

Thanks Michael. That's an outstanding troubleshooting diagnostic test.
It would have revealed quite a bit. In fact, I teach techniques just
like that in my troubleshooting course.

In this particular case, I felt the likelihood of losing the symptom
forever, or creating some other problem, was too high, so I decided to
do other things first. Expecially since you already gave me the
solution to one of the problems. Thanks!

[clip]
> 
> The behavior of CTRL-D on your desktop vs. your laptop sounds
> like it has been mapped to delete for the whole machine - delete does
> in claws-mail what you're describing - if you try using CTRL-D in a
> text editor (preferably GTK based like gedit, since this should use
> the same toolkit options) you will probably see that your desktop
> deletes a character while your laptop doesn't. If this is the case,
> it's easiest to fix this for your installation.

It turned out to be more complicated and quirky than this. At the
bottom of this email is the workaround I used to assign "d" to "move to
trash". Basically, one component of the problem was that if the "move
to trash" command on the menu was highlighted and I pressed "d", it
would run "Delete", whose letter *on the menu* was d.

> 
> Having to hit Enter to read a message is actually not a bug but a
> feature (which I personally love), but you can easily customize this
> to whatever you prefer under "Preferences -> Display -> Summaries ->
> Open message when selected". If you just clone your ~/.claws-mail
> folder like I suggested above this will be configured as well.

This was exactly what I was hoping to find. I made your suggested
adjustment, and it gave me the behavior I wanted. Thanks.

All of this supports my initial assertion, that Claws needs MUCH better
documentation. It's a good program that can do a lot of things, but its
configuration is complex and sometimes quirky, and no documentation
I've found comes remotely close to documenting such configuration
issues.

I think Claws should have a "HOWTO" Wiki, so that methods could be
placed in real time. I found out in this thread there's an HTML howto
that contains the answer to my question about message body agreeing
with the selected message header, but that HOWTO is a non-obvious two
clicks from the main page, and it can't be added to in realtime.

To be added to whatever HOWTO we have, here's the "solution" to "can't
change keystroke on "Move to Trash":

1) With the mouse, highlight the menu's "Move to Trash"
2) Press the z key. z is now the hotkey.
3) Exit Claws-Mail
4) Editing ~/.claws-mail/menurc, change the z to d
5) Restart Claws, your hotkey is now d

One might think it could be done more directly, but that's not my
experience.

Here's another one. Adding something to the toolbar isn't as direct as
one might anticipate.
When in Configuration->Preferences->Toolbars->Mainwindow, clicking the
Add button produces the following error: "Selected Action already set.
Please choose Another Action from list." A bizarre way for an add
button to work. So here's the secret, using "Reply to List" as an
example...

1) Configuration->Preferences->Toolbars->Mainwindow
2) Highlight a separator from the list
3) Click the Add button. It appears to do nothing.
4) Scroll to the bottom of the list, and there's now a new separator
   item.
5) Highlight the new separator item.
6) Change the item type from separator to Internal Function
7) Change Event executed on click to Reply to mailing list
8) Click the Replace button
9) Click the Up button until the new toolbar item is where you want
10) Click the Apply button
11) Click the OK button

Thanks

SteveT


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 29 20:19:48 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:19:48 +0100
Subject: [Users] Claws config needs much better documentation
In-Reply-To: <20120729134319.691db34e@mydesk>
References: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
	<20120729020851.42312246@bsd64.grem.de>
	<20120729134319.691db34e@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20120729191948.2a7f7f79@thewildbeast>

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:43:19 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote: 

> I think Claws should have a "HOWTO" Wiki, 

It does have a HOWTO wiki, which we call the FAQ.

I disabled adding new pages because it kept getting targeted by
spammers, but if you want to start a new page, (if you think one is
necessary), then just ask me to add it.

> Here's another one. Adding something to the toolbar isn't as direct
> as one might anticipate.
> When in Configuration->Preferences->Toolbars->Mainwindow, clicking
> the Add button produces the following error: "Selected Action
> already set. Please choose Another Action from list." A bizarre way
> for an add button to work. So here's the secret, using "Reply to
> List" as an example...
> 
> 1) Configuration->Preferences->Toolbars->Mainwindow
> 2) Highlight a separator from the list
> 3) Click the Add button. It appears to do nothing.
> 4) Scroll to the bottom of the list, and there's now a new separator
>    item.
> 5) Highlight the new separator item.
> 6) Change the item type from separator to Internal Function
> 7) Change Event executed on click to Reply to mailing list
> 8) Click the Replace button
> 9) Click the Up button until the new toolbar item is where you want
> 10) Click the Apply button
> 11) Click the OK button

This is misinform[ed|ation]. When you click the Add button and you see
the dialogue saying "Selected Action already set. Please choose
Another Action from list." it is because the selected is already set.
If you were to use your method and try to replace the separator with
"Reply to mailing list" a 2nd time you would see that dialogue again.
You saw it the first time because whatever you had as the 'Event
executed on click' was already set, but 'Reply to mailing list' was
not.

So it's not so bizarre after all.


with regards

Paul


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From ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jul 29 21:17:53 2012
From: ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk (Kevin Chadwick)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:17:53 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
In-Reply-To: <20120729103341.72613d93@thewildbeast>
References: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
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> > The default for "Open message when selected" (in Display/Summaries)
> > is unsafe.
> > 

I always figured this was a nice feature that claws  with certain
plugins enabled and even more so other clients should follow in
order to allow deletion without virus execution or image handler
exploitation etc..

A bit like download headers and delete spam with viruses before download
when using pop3.

> > I'm one of those guys who goes through every menu/setting in detail
> > when exploring a new program so I caught that early but I can
> > certainly imagine a new user migrating from almost any other mail
> > client losing stuff due to this problem because no other program
> > does this -- make the message list and message body go out of sync.  
> 
> To be fair, that's slightly overstated. You don't lose stuff, it goes
> to the trash folder.


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 29 21:24:07 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:24:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2715] New: Bad error message if no space left in /home
Message-ID: <bug-2715-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2715

           Summary: Bad error message if no space left in /home
           Product: Claws Mail
           Version: 3.8.0
          Platform: PC
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: minor
          Priority: P3
         Component: Plugins
        AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org
        ReportedBy: progval+claws at progval.net


Hi,

I ran out of free space in /home (40KB), and when sending mail, I got "cannot
find private key" (or something like that).
I tried again, I still got this message. I freed some space, and I no longer
have the message.

Regards,
Valentin

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 29 21:24:30 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:24:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2715] Bad error message if no space left in /home
In-Reply-To: <bug-2715-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2715-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2715


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Sun Jul 29 21:55:36 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:55:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2715] Bad error message if no space left in /home
In-Reply-To: <bug-2715-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #1 from Paul  2012-07-29 21:55:36 ---
This message must be coming from something other than Claws. Is it possible to
check what the actual message was?

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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Mon Jul 30 01:33:27 2012
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:33:27 -0400
Subject: [Users] Claws config needs much better documentation
In-Reply-To: <20120729191948.2a7f7f79@thewildbeast>
References: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
	<20120729020851.42312246@bsd64.grem.de>
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:19:48 +0100, Paul said:
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:43:19 -0400
> Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote: 
> 
> > I think Claws should have a "HOWTO" Wiki, 
> 
> It does have a HOWTO wiki, which we call the FAQ.
> 
> I disabled adding new pages because it kept getting targeted by
> spammers, but if you want to start a new page, (if you think one is
> necessary), then just ask me to add it.

Thanks Paul. Let me see how many of these things I have assembled, and
I'll get back to you.

> 
> > Here's another one. Adding something to the toolbar isn't as direct
> > as one might anticipate.
> > When in Configuration->Preferences->Toolbars->Mainwindow, clicking
> > the Add button produces the following error: "Selected Action
> > already set. Please choose Another Action from list." A bizarre way
> > for an add button to work. So here's the secret, using "Reply to
> > List" as an example...
> > 
> > 1) Configuration->Preferences->Toolbars->Mainwindow
> > 2) Highlight a separator from the list
> > 3) Click the Add button. It appears to do nothing.
> > 4) Scroll to the bottom of the list, and there's now a new separator
> >    item.
> > 5) Highlight the new separator item.
> > 6) Change the item type from separator to Internal Function
> > 7) Change Event executed on click to Reply to mailing list
> > 8) Click the Replace button
> > 9) Click the Up button until the new toolbar item is where you want
> > 10) Click the Apply button
> > 11) Click the OK button
> 
> This is misinform[ed|ation]. 

Hey Paul, don't shoot the messenger. I'm just reporting the behavior of
Claws-Mail 3.7.9 on my Ubuntu 11.10 installation, and what did and
didn't work in adding a new item to the toolbar.


> When you click the Add button and you see
> the dialogue saying "Selected Action already set. Please choose
> Another Action from list." it is because the selected is already set.

Maybe I've led a sheltered life, but the behavior you describe above
(and I describe farther above) is nothing like the average
Add/Change/Delete list, where if you click the Add button you get a
new, blank record to fill in, regardless of which record happens to be
highlighted.

> If you were to use your method and try to replace the separator with
> "Reply to mailing list" a 2nd time you would see that dialogue again.

> You saw it the first time because whatever you had as the 'Event
> executed on click' was already set, but 'Reply to mailing list' was
> not.

After reading and carefully considering your preceding two sentences
three times, I finally understood what you were saying and understood
the conditions under which the error message would occur, and how to
easily avoid it.

Which reinforces the point I was making -- this behavior must be
documented. Common behavior is for Add to create a blank row to be
input. Common behavior is that changing the current data items would
affect the highlighted row, and therefore wouldn't change them on the
current row, because they want to add a row, not change the current one.

Hey, I'm not saying the current way adding new toolbar items works is
bad -- it's fast and easy and it works. I'm just saying it needs to be
documented, because it's unusual, and therefore for many, unexpected.
 
> So it's not so bizarre after all.

OK, so now that I know how it actually works, I'll retract the word
"Bizarre" and insert "Unusual." And here's my new method for adding a
toolbar item, now that I understand how the program works:

1) Configuration->Preferences->Toolbars->Mainwindow
2) Set the item type Internal Function
3) Set "Event executed on click" to "Reply to mailing list"
4) Click the Add button
5) Scroll to the bottom of the list, and there's now a new
   "Reply to mailing list item."
6) Highlight the new Reply to mailing list item.
7) Click the Up button until the new toolbar item is where you want
8) Click the Apply button
9) Click the OK button or add more toolbar items

SteveT

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 01:41:32 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:41:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2694] Claws freezes when creating new mail folder
In-Reply-To: <bug-2694-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2694-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120729234133.0742C85388@mx.colino.net>

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--- Comment #7 from Ed Rippy  2012-07-30 01:41:31 ---
Progress: Built 3.8.0 in Eclipse Juno & single-stepped. Claws is stuck in a
loop in input_dialog_open() (src file inputfile.c):

[set up & show GtkDialog w/ a text entry & 'cancel' & 'ok' buttons]
...
ack = fin = FALSE;

while (fin == FALSE)
    gtk_main_iteration();

...

(callbacks connected to buttons etc. set (global) var's ack & fin.)

It seems that the window events are not triggering the callbacks, although they
do when a new folder is created by right-clicking on 'Mailbox' (in the main
folder window) & selecting 'Create new folder...' (events are also getting thru
under Lucid).

Precise has libgtk 2.24.10-0ubuntu6; Lucid has libgtk 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 01:43:02 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 01:43:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2694] Claws freezes when creating new mail folder
In-Reply-To: <bug-2694-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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From sitaramc at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 02:32:56 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:02:56 +0530
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Kevin Chadwick <ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> > The default for "Open message when selected" (in Display/Summaries)
>> > is unsafe.
>> >
>
> I always figured this was a nice feature that claws  with certain
> plugins enabled and even more so other clients should follow in
> order to allow deletion without virus execution or image handler
> exploitation etc..
>
> A bit like download headers and delete spam with viruses before download
> when using pop3.

That would be fine if it matched with what people *expect* from other
email clients.  IME no other mail clients do this, so it is a
surprise.  And not a good surprise either.

The behaviour you spoke of should be implemented more explicitly.  For
example the checkboxes in gmail let you do just that.  In claws as is,
I'd say "hide the message view and then move to a message to have that
safety".


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 08:14:21 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 07:14:21 +0100
Subject: [Users] Claws config needs much better documentation
In-Reply-To: <20120729193327.293b5450@mydesk>
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	<20120729193327.293b5450@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20120730071421.24d7bc8c@thewildbeast>

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:33:27 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote: 

> 1) Configuration->Preferences->Toolbars->Mainwindow
> 2) Set the item type Internal Function
> 3) Set "Event executed on click" to "Reply to mailing list"
> 4) Click the Add button
> 5) Scroll to the bottom of the list, and there's now a new
>    "Reply to mailing list item."
> 6) Highlight the new Reply to mailing list item.
> 7) Click the Up button until the new toolbar item is where you want
> 8) Click the Apply button
> 9) Click the OK button or add more toolbar items

Two small points.
In 7) you can drag'n'drop the item instead of using the up/down
buttons, (if preferred).
 
8) and 9) Click the Apply button if you want to carry on changing the
prefs, otherwise clicking OK will suffice. (OK does Apply+Close)

with regards

Paul


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 08:18:40 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:18:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2694] Claws freezes when creating new mail folder
In-Reply-To: <bug-2694-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #8 from Paul  2012-07-30 08:18:40 ---
Again, works for me

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From freebsd at grem.de  Mon Jul 30 11:04:25 2012
From: freebsd at grem.de (Michael Gmelin)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:04:25 +0200
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:02:56 +0530
Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Kevin Chadwick
> <ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> > The default for "Open message when selected" (in
> >> > Display/Summaries) is unsafe.
> >> >
> >
> > I always figured this was a nice feature that claws  with certain
> > plugins enabled and even more so other clients should follow in
> > order to allow deletion without virus execution or image handler
> > exploitation etc..
> >
> > A bit like download headers and delete spam with viruses before
> > download when using pop3.
> 
> That would be fine if it matched with what people *expect* from other
> email clients.  IME no other mail clients do this, so it is a
> surprise.  And not a good surprise either.
> 
> The behaviour you spoke of should be implemented more explicitly.  For
> example the checkboxes in gmail let you do just that.  In claws as is,
> I'd say "hide the message view and then move to a message to have that
> safety".

In my understanding claws focuses on useful features which are
presented in a more or less programmer style way (sometimes you just
dig through the rc files to find a configuration settings, the dialogs
tend to be crowded and full of advanced options etc.). And you know
what? I dig that, because it means it is not hiding anything from me
for the sake of usability (Apple), or trying to invent useless features
instead of fixing year old bugs (TB). I switched to claws only a few
weeks ago and it's already second nature to me - everything is so easy
and straightforward and clearly designed by tech people - it's great
for someone like me :)

It doesn't behave like other MUAs and I don't think it should
try to emulate them. There are too many similar working clients
out there already, and making features that are special to claws the
default actually forces people to explore them (and how to change them
if it's not what they want). I wouldn't have found this useful feature,
that you criticize as dangerous, otherwise. It's incredibly refreshing
to see software with a different approach - open source productivity
applications way too often try to copy commercial products instead of
providing alternative solutions.

I cannot speak for the project owners, but to me the project philosophy
is not to create a 100% polished product that's a seamless
replacement for the MUA that came with the OS. It's for people that are
willing to invest into the configuration of their MUA to get the best
possible tool for *their* use case - essentially people that are not
satisfied with the usual 90/10 approach most user-friendly software
takes these days. Wasting development resources to make it more like
other programs seems pointless to me.

Just my 2 cents...


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From sitaramc at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 11:10:21 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:40:21 +0530
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Michael Gmelin <freebsd at grem.de> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:02:56 +0530
> Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Kevin Chadwick
>> <ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> > The default for "Open message when selected" (in
>> >> > Display/Summaries) is unsafe.
>> >> >
>> >
>> > I always figured this was a nice feature that claws  with certain
>> > plugins enabled and even more so other clients should follow in
>> > order to allow deletion without virus execution or image handler
>> > exploitation etc..
>> >
>> > A bit like download headers and delete spam with viruses before
>> > download when using pop3.
>>
>> That would be fine if it matched with what people *expect* from other
>> email clients.  IME no other mail clients do this, so it is a
>> surprise.  And not a good surprise either.
>>
>> The behaviour you spoke of should be implemented more explicitly.  For
>> example the checkboxes in gmail let you do just that.  In claws as is,
>> I'd say "hide the message view and then move to a message to have that
>> safety".
>
> In my understanding claws focuses on useful features which are
> presented in a more or less programmer style way (sometimes you just
> dig through the rc files to find a configuration settings, the dialogs
> tend to be crowded and full of advanced options etc.). And you know
> what? I dig that, because it means it is not hiding anything from me
> for the sake of usability (Apple), or trying to invent useless features
> instead of fixing year old bugs (TB). I switched to claws only a few
> weeks ago and it's already second nature to me - everything is so easy
> and straightforward and clearly designed by tech people - it's great
> for someone like me :)
>
> It doesn't behave like other MUAs and I don't think it should
> try to emulate them. There are too many similar working clients
> out there already, and making features that are special to claws the
> default actually forces people to explore them (and how to change them
> if it's not what they want). I wouldn't have found this useful feature,
> that you criticize as dangerous, otherwise. It's incredibly refreshing
> to see software with a different approach - open source productivity
> applications way too often try to copy commercial products instead of
> providing alternative solutions.
>
> I cannot speak for the project owners, but to me the project philosophy
> is not to create a 100% polished product that's a seamless
> replacement for the MUA that came with the OS. It's for people that are
> willing to invest into the configuration of their MUA to get the best
> possible tool for *their* use case - essentially people that are not
> satisfied with the usual 90/10 approach most user-friendly software
> takes these days. Wasting development resources to make it more like
> other programs seems pointless to me.
>
> Just my 2 cents...

You're extrapolating what I said about "principle of least
astonishment" into something far more.


From freebsd at grem.de  Mon Jul 30 11:24:29 2012
From: freebsd at grem.de (Michael Gmelin)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:24:29 +0200
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:40:21 +0530
Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Michael Gmelin <freebsd at grem.de>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:02:56 +0530
> > Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Kevin Chadwick
> >> <ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >> > The default for "Open message when selected" (in
> >> >> > Display/Summaries) is unsafe.
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I always figured this was a nice feature that claws  with certain
> >> > plugins enabled and even more so other clients should follow in
> >> > order to allow deletion without virus execution or image handler
> >> > exploitation etc..
> >> >
> >> > A bit like download headers and delete spam with viruses before
> >> > download when using pop3.
> >>
> >> That would be fine if it matched with what people *expect* from
> >> other email clients.  IME no other mail clients do this, so it is a
> >> surprise.  And not a good surprise either.
> >>
> >> The behaviour you spoke of should be implemented more explicitly.
> >> For example the checkboxes in gmail let you do just that.  In
> >> claws as is, I'd say "hide the message view and then move to a
> >> message to have that safety".
> >
> > In my understanding claws focuses on useful features which are
> > presented in a more or less programmer style way (sometimes you just
> > dig through the rc files to find a configuration settings, the
> > dialogs tend to be crowded and full of advanced options etc.). And
> > you know what? I dig that, because it means it is not hiding
> > anything from me for the sake of usability (Apple), or trying to
> > invent useless features instead of fixing year old bugs (TB). I
> > switched to claws only a few weeks ago and it's already second
> > nature to me - everything is so easy and straightforward and
> > clearly designed by tech people - it's great for someone like me :)
> >
> > It doesn't behave like other MUAs and I don't think it should
> > try to emulate them. There are too many similar working clients
> > out there already, and making features that are special to claws the
> > default actually forces people to explore them (and how to change
> > them if it's not what they want). I wouldn't have found this useful
> > feature, that you criticize as dangerous, otherwise. It's
> > incredibly refreshing to see software with a different approach -
> > open source productivity applications way too often try to copy
> > commercial products instead of providing alternative solutions.
> >
> > I cannot speak for the project owners, but to me the project
> > philosophy is not to create a 100% polished product that's a
> > seamless replacement for the MUA that came with the OS. It's for
> > people that are willing to invest into the configuration of their
> > MUA to get the best possible tool for *their* use case -
> > essentially people that are not satisfied with the usual 90/10
> > approach most user-friendly software takes these days. Wasting
> > development resources to make it more like other programs seems
> > pointless to me.
> >
> > Just my 2 cents...
> 
> You're extrapolating what I said about "principle of least
> astonishment" into something far more.

Indeed :)

-- 
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From sitaramc at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 13:16:33 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:46:33 +0530
Subject: [Users] IMAP eqvt for "Receive Size Limit"
Message-ID: <CAMK1S_jqXyQqxCfUH_7-ALA6tKSdD1NWFAbLwOhKPKvK6ALksA@mail.gmail.com>

Is there any way in IMAP to get the effect of the "receive size limit"
setting in POP3?  I have lots of large messages in gmail and trying to
set it up over IMAP is proving to be a real pain.  Most of those
messages are not really needed on the desktop (in "imapcache"), and
I'd be happy to have the download happen "on demand" (i.e. when I
click on such a message).

I don't even mind if there's a way to say "get headers only" and defer
getting the bodies till I click.

any hints appreciated.  (Note: I have no filters running or even
defined on this machine.  Same for pre- and post-processing and folder
rules).

-- 
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From fbl at sysclose.org  Mon Jul 30 14:25:44 2012
From: fbl at sysclose.org (Flavio Leitner)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:25:44 -0300
Subject: [Users] number of widgets per row on address (to/cc/...) fields
In-Reply-To: <20120729104233.35a73ad0@thewildbeast>
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:42:33 +0100
Paul <claws at thewildbeast.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:16:55 -0300
> Flavio Leitner <fbl at sysclose.org> wrote: 
> 
> > It would be nice if someone write a doc explaining how to use
> > claws-mail with keyboard only.  These details, like using the
> > arrow keys, helps a lot and it's not obvious to everybody.
> 
> Feel free to offer a contribution by sending additions for the manual
> and/or FAQ. You don't need to know it all to start the ball rolling.

I just started using claws-mail, so I am still figuring out how to
best use it. I hope to contribute with something soon though.

fbl



From charlescurley at charlescurley.com  Mon Jul 30 16:40:29 2012
From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:40:29 -0600
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:04:25 +0200
Michael Gmelin <freebsd at grem.de> wrote:

> In my understanding claws focuses on useful features which are
> presented in a more or less programmer style way (sometimes you just
> dig through the rc files to find a configuration settings, the dialogs
> tend to be crowded and full of advanced options etc.). And you know
> what? I dig that,...

Hear, hear. Well said.

And well done to the devs. Thank you.

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From sitaramc at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 16:48:25 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:18:25 +0530
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Charles Curley
<charlescurley at charlescurley.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:04:25 +0200
> Michael Gmelin <freebsd at grem.de> wrote:
>
>> In my understanding claws focuses on useful features which are
>> presented in a more or less programmer style way (sometimes you just
>> dig through the rc files to find a configuration settings, the dialogs
>> tend to be crowded and full of advanced options etc.). And you know
>> what? I dig that,...
>
> Hear, hear. Well said.
>
> And well done to the devs. Thank you.

Gaah!  All I said was that one *specific* setting was the wrong
default in terms of surprising people.  The surprise is that mails may
get deleted if they didn't notice that the message list and message
window don't match.

How in blazes did you guys turn this into long rants and philosophical
self-back-patting on all sorts of unrelated stuff?

Grrrr


From kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com  Mon Jul 30 16:55:26 2012
From: kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com (Abhay S. Kushwaha)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:25:26 +0530
Subject: [Users] Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:02:56 +0530, Sitaram wrote:

> >> > The default for "Open message when selected" (in
> >> > Display/Summaries) is unsafe.
> >
> > I always figured this was a nice feature that claws  with certain
> > plugins enabled and even more so other clients should follow in
> > order to allow deletion without virus execution or image handler
> > exploitation etc..
> 
> That would be fine if it matched with what people *expect* from
> other email clients.  IME no other mail clients do this, so it is a
> surprise.  And not a good surprise either.

No. That's a bad premise to begin with.

You're using a new application. Expect to be surprised.

If Claws didn't do things differently, why would you even consider
it? And once you know, you know, you know?



From bdm at fenrir.org.uk  Mon Jul 30 16:56:36 2012
From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:56:36 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:18:25 +0530
Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:

> How in blazes did you guys turn this into long rants and philosophical
> self-back-patting on all sorts of unrelated stuff?

Warning: mailing list recipients may include engineers and pedants.
Sets may overlap.

-- 

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From brad at fineby.me.uk  Mon Jul 30 17:24:27 2012
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:24:27 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:56:36 +0100
Brian Morrison <bdm at fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

Hello Brian,

>Warning: mailing list recipients may include engineers and pedants.
>Sets may overlap.

I'd be surprised if they didn't.  {GD&RFC}

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 18:50:16 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:50:16 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2557] "Total Messages" column is stuck to the
 right-most side of its panel
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--- Comment #4 from Zaf  2012-07-30 18:50:16 ---
This bug is quite annoying, especially if you want to configure your home
screen. I do hope it gets fixed soon.

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From sitaramc at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 19:17:09 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:47:09 +0530
Subject: [Users] Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Abhay S. Kushwaha
<kushwaha at netsolutionsindia.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:02:56 +0530, Sitaram wrote:
>
>> >> > The default for "Open message when selected" (in
>> >> > Display/Summaries) is unsafe.
>> >
>> > I always figured this was a nice feature that claws  with certain
>> > plugins enabled and even more so other clients should follow in
>> > order to allow deletion without virus execution or image handler
>> > exploitation etc..
>>
>> That would be fine if it matched with what people *expect* from
>> other email clients.  IME no other mail clients do this, so it is a
>> surprise.  And not a good surprise either.
>
> No. That's a bad premise to begin with.

Not when emails may get deleted (even if they only went into Trash).

> You're using a new application. Expect to be surprised.
>
> If Claws didn't do things differently, why would you even consider
> it? And once you know, you know, you know?

I'm glad it does a lot of things differently.  And I already said *I*
will no longer be affected by *this specific surprise*.  But that does
not alter the fact that it *is* a **bad** surprise.

Keep the *good* surprises by all means.  I'm just saying make the
good/bad surprise ratio even better.


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 19:51:35 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:51:35 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2557] "Total Messages" column is stuck to the
 right-most side of its panel
In-Reply-To: <bug-2557-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
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--- Comment #5 from Paul  2012-07-30 19:51:35 ---
like i said, it's not a bug

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 20:00:03 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:00:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2557] "Total Messages" column is stuck to the
 right-most side of its panel
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--- Comment #6 from Zaf  2012-07-30 20:00:02 ---
@Paul: OK, even if technically it is not a bug, it is a nuisance. When will we
see it fixed? It was reported back for the 3.7.10 version, and we are at
version 3.8.1 now :(

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 22:48:24 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:48:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2557] "Total Messages" column is stuck to the
 right-most side of its panel
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--- Comment #7 from Paul  2012-07-30 22:48:24 ---
so what you would like to see is some empty space to the right of the Total
column?

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 22:56:22 2012
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:56:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2557] "Total Messages" column is stuck to the
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--- Comment #8 from Zaf  2012-07-30 22:56:22 ---
Yes. The point here is that the first two columns are on the far left, just
next to the folders tree, whereas the third column ("Total Messages") is far
removed on the right side of the screen. This wide separation does not make any
sense at all, and visually it is not only ugly, but also anti-functional,
because after reading the first two columns the casual look of the user may not
even notice the presence of the third colum on the far right of the screen.
So, the only solution that I see is to make the third column stick to the other
two, that is just at the right side of the second column ("Unread").

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 23:04:04 2012
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:04:04 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2557] "Total Messages" column is stuck to the
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--- Comment #9 from Andrej Kacian  2012-07-30 23:04:04 ---
You could resize the Folder column to fill up the width instead of the Total
column, or make the whole folderview smaller (thinner), giving you more space
for other interface elements.

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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 23:05:09 2012
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:05:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2557] "Total Messages" column is stuck to the
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--- Comment #10 from Zaf  2012-07-30 23:05:08 ---
Created an attachment (id=1139)
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Screenshot of out-of-place Third Column in Small Screen layout

Since a picture is worth a thousand words, I attach this screenshot which
clearly shows how the current position of the third column (on the rightmost
side of the screen) does not make any sense at all.

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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Mon Jul 30 23:08:56 2012
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:04:25 +0200, Michael Gmelin said:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:02:56 +0530
> Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Kevin Chadwick
> > <ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
 
> > That would be fine if it matched with what people *expect* from
> > other email clients.  IME no other mail clients do this, so it is a
> > surprise.  And not a good surprise either.
> > 
> > The behaviour you spoke of should be implemented more explicitly.
> > For example the checkboxes in gmail let you do just that.  In claws
> > as is, I'd say "hide the message view and then move to a message to
> > have that safety".
> 
> In my understanding claws focuses on useful features which are
> presented in a more or less programmer style way (sometimes you just
> dig through the rc files to find a configuration settings, the dialogs
> tend to be crowded and full of advanced options etc.). And you know
> what? I dig that, because it means it is not hiding anything from me
> for the sake of usability (Apple), or trying to invent useless
> features instead of fixing year old bugs (TB). 

Fair enough, but when a part of the program departs from the
behavior norms of user software, for gosh sakes, DOCUMENT IT, and
document it prominently.

SteveT

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                          *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 23:10:17 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:10:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2557] "Total Messages" column is stuck to the
 right-most side of its panel
In-Reply-To: <bug-2557-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2557-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120730211017.907B18541C@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2557





--- Comment #11 from Zaf  2012-07-30 23:10:17 ---
@Andrej Kacian

I am sorry, but your suggestion does not seem to be helpful at all. Why should
we go to extra lengths to go around what is clearly a defect in the design,
instead of simply fixing it?

> You could resize the Folder column to fill up the width instead of 
> the Total column, or make the whole folderview smaller (thinner), 
> giving you more space for other interface elements.

To be frank, I am not even sure I understand your suggestion.

-- 
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From freebsd at grem.de  Mon Jul 30 23:39:08 2012
From: freebsd at grem.de (Michael Gmelin)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:39:08 +0200
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
In-Reply-To: <20120730170856.3499f5d4@mydesk>
References: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:08:56 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:04:25 +0200, Michael Gmelin said:
> > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:02:56 +0530
> > Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Kevin Chadwick
> > > <ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>  
> > > That would be fine if it matched with what people *expect* from
> > > other email clients.  IME no other mail clients do this, so it is
> > > a surprise.  And not a good surprise either.
> > > 
> > > The behaviour you spoke of should be implemented more explicitly.
> > > For example the checkboxes in gmail let you do just that.  In
> > > claws as is, I'd say "hide the message view and then move to a
> > > message to have that safety".
> > 
> > In my understanding claws focuses on useful features which are
> > presented in a more or less programmer style way (sometimes you just
> > dig through the rc files to find a configuration settings, the
> > dialogs tend to be crowded and full of advanced options etc.). And
> > you know what? I dig that, because it means it is not hiding
> > anything from me for the sake of usability (Apple), or trying to
> > invent useless features instead of fixing year old bugs (TB). 
> 
> Fair enough, but when a part of the program departs from the
> behavior norms of user software, for gosh sakes, DOCUMENT IT, and
> document it prominently.

Well, Claws deletes the currently selected message - which is standard
behavior for UI applications. Moving the cursor keys does not open a
mail, but changes the selection - which is standard behavior for many
file managers and other programs where changing the selection does not
open a file. It might be unusual for a mail client - but then again,
clicking an email actual opens it, just moving the selection with the
cursor keys doesn't. I don't quite understand how somebody could just
not realize this immediately - I mean you are using the cursor keys and
realize that the selection changes, but the mail shown doesn't. It's
very obvious and I doubt that anybody who is not getting this will
actually read the documentation before stumbling over this (who is
reading documentation software before using a program these days anyway
- if ever, unless they hit a problem which would be too late in this
case).

That said, I have a very simple suggestion that might solve this and
increase usability at the same time - it definitely would get the
attention of new users so that they understand that something's
different:

Change the message list, so that the mail currently shown in the
message pane is marked as well as the currently selected mail. Keep the
standard selection color in case both refer to the same mail (selected
mail is also the one shown). When moving the selection using the cursor
keys, keep an outline around the currently shown email and use a
different color for the selection bar. If you hit enter, the previously
shown email gets deselected, and the selected entry uses the normal
selection bar again (I hope you get the idea).

Does that sound useful/reasonable/easily possible within the
boundaries of GTK?

(I don't really feel like improving this is a must have, but it actually
might be useful for new users without changing default functionality).

-- 
Michael Gmelin


From andrej at kacian.sk  Mon Jul 30 23:59:55 2012
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:59:55 +0200
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
In-Reply-To: <20120730233908.5b29cfbe@bsd64.grem.de>
References: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:39:08 +0200
Michael Gmelin <freebsd at grem.de> wrote:

> Change the message list, so that the mail currently shown in the
> message pane is marked as well as the currently selected mail. Keep the
> standard selection color in case both refer to the same mail (selected
> mail is also the one shown). When moving the selection using the cursor
> keys, keep an outline around the currently shown email and use a
> different color for the selection bar. If you hit enter, the previously
> shown email gets deselected, and the selected entry uses the normal
> selection bar again (I hope you get the idea).
> 
> Does that sound useful/reasonable/easily possible within the
> boundaries of GTK?

If I recall correctly, this was actually the behavior few versions ago, before
we switched to drawing the tree/list widgets with cairo. The currently
displayed mail was marked by a rectangle around the entire line in
summaryview. I'm not sure if this is possible currently, perhaps that's why it
was dropped.

Regards,
-- 
Andrej Kacian <andrej at kacian dot sk>


From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Tue Jul 31 00:16:36 2012
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:16:36 -0400
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:39:08 +0200, Michael Gmelin said:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:08:56 -0400
> Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> > Fair enough, but when a part of the program departs from the
> > behavior norms of user software, for gosh sakes, DOCUMENT IT, and
> > document it prominently.
> 
> Well, Claws deletes the currently selected message - which is standard
> behavior for UI applications. Moving the cursor keys does not open a
> mail, but changes the selection

That behavior is configurable. The surprising part is, if you configure
it to not pull the body on changing the message, instead of blanking
out the body of the previous message, it keeps the body of the previous
message.

>  - which is standard behavior for many
> file managers and other programs where changing the selection does not
> open a file. It might be unusual for a mail client - but then again,
> clicking an email actual opens it, just moving the selection with the
> cursor keys doesn't. I don't quite understand how somebody could just
> not realize this immediately - I mean you are using the cursor keys
> and realize that the selection changes, but the mail shown doesn't.
> It's very obvious and I doubt that anybody who is not getting this
> will actually read the documentation before stumbling over this (who
> is reading documentation software before using a program these days
> anyway
> - if ever, unless they hit a problem which would be too late in this
> case).

As someone who accidentally deleted because of this, let me explain how
it happened. First, I get 500 nonspam messages a day, so I move fast.
My mental algorithm for deleting a message is that if I see anything in
either the body or the subject indicating I'm not interested, I just
press d. Also, keep in mind my desktop Claws is configured to pull the
body upon highlighting the current message. So I deleted a piece of
spam after reading both the subject and the body. The highlight moved
to the next message, but I was still looking at the body, and saw it
waas the same. A quick look at the subject showed it and the sender
different, and I thought "Oh, one of those virus-generated spams that
changes its subject every time", and pressed d again. After four of
these I was thinking it's a pretty prolific virus. After five, I
realized I had skipped a step somewhere, went back, undeleted the
messages, and discovered the bodies changed when I pressed Enter or
clicked the message.

> 
> That said, I have a very simple suggestion that might solve this and
> increase usability at the same time - it definitely would get the
> attention of new users so that they understand that something's
> different:
> 
> Change the message list, so that the mail currently shown in the
> message pane is marked as well as the currently selected mail. Keep
> the standard selection color in case both refer to the same mail
> (selected mail is also the one shown). When moving the selection
> using the cursor keys, keep an outline around the currently shown
> email and use a different color for the selection bar. If you hit
> enter, the previously shown email gets deselected, and the selected
> entry uses the normal selection bar again (I hope you get the idea).

If it were me, the only change I'd make to the "lazy body download"
method would be that, if the highlighted message's body hasn't been
downloaded yet, show a blank body, not the body of the previous and
completely unrelated message.

SteveT

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                          *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
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From freebsd at grem.de  Tue Jul 31 00:33:38 2012
From: freebsd at grem.de (Michael Gmelin)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:33:38 +0200
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
In-Reply-To: <20120730181636.38b9df12@mydesk>
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:16:36 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:39:08 +0200, Michael Gmelin said:
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:08:56 -0400
> > Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> 
> > > Fair enough, but when a part of the program departs from the
> > > behavior norms of user software, for gosh sakes, DOCUMENT IT, and
> > > document it prominently.
> > 
> > Well, Claws deletes the currently selected message - which is
> > standard behavior for UI applications. Moving the cursor keys does
> > not open a mail, but changes the selection
> 
> That behavior is configurable. The surprising part is, if you
> configure it to not pull the body on changing the message, instead of
> blanking out the body of the previous message, it keeps the body of
> the previous message.
> 
> >  - which is standard behavior for many
> > file managers and other programs where changing the selection does
> > not open a file. It might be unusual for a mail client - but then
> > again, clicking an email actual opens it, just moving the selection
> > with the cursor keys doesn't. I don't quite understand how somebody
> > could just not realize this immediately - I mean you are using the
> > cursor keys and realize that the selection changes, but the mail
> > shown doesn't. It's very obvious and I doubt that anybody who is
> > not getting this will actually read the documentation before
> > stumbling over this (who is reading documentation software before
> > using a program these days anyway
> > - if ever, unless they hit a problem which would be too late in this
> > case).
> 
> As someone who accidentally deleted because of this, let me explain
> how it happened. First, I get 500 nonspam messages a day, so I move
> fast. My mental algorithm for deleting a message is that if I see
> anything in either the body or the subject indicating I'm not
> interested, I just press d. Also, keep in mind my desktop Claws is
> configured to pull the body upon highlighting the current message. So
> I deleted a piece of spam after reading both the subject and the
> body. The highlight moved to the next message, but I was still
> looking at the body, and saw it waas the same. A quick look at the
> subject showed it and the sender different, and I thought "Oh, one of
> those virus-generated spams that changes its subject every time", and
> pressed d again. After four of these I was thinking it's a pretty
> prolific virus. After five, I realized I had skipped a step
> somewhere, went back, undeleted the messages, and discovered the
> bodies changed when I pressed Enter or clicked the message.
> 
> > 
> > That said, I have a very simple suggestion that might solve this and
> > increase usability at the same time - it definitely would get the
> > attention of new users so that they understand that something's
> > different:
> > 
> > Change the message list, so that the mail currently shown in the
> > message pane is marked as well as the currently selected mail. Keep
> > the standard selection color in case both refer to the same mail
> > (selected mail is also the one shown). When moving the selection
> > using the cursor keys, keep an outline around the currently shown
> > email and use a different color for the selection bar. If you hit
> > enter, the previously shown email gets deselected, and the selected
> > entry uses the normal selection bar again (I hope you get the idea).
> 
> If it were me, the only change I'd make to the "lazy body download"
> method would be that, if the highlighted message's body hasn't been
> downloaded yet, show a blank body, not the body of the previous and
> completely unrelated message.

Hm, but this is part of what makes this feature useful to me. I can
skim through the message list without losing the one open. I can also
delete and move other messages without losing what's open. All very
useful to me. Workflows can be a very personal thing :)

To be fair, I hardly ever delete emails, I am much more concerned about
marking emails as read by accident.

Maybe marking somehow in the message pane, that this is currently NOT
what is selected could help? This might also be easier to implement, in
case cairo makes the - as I learned old behavior - too complicated,
e.g. by changing the background color to a configurable value.

> 
> SteveT
> 
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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Tue Jul 31 01:24:09 2012
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:24:09 -0400
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:33:38 +0200, Michael Gmelin said:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:16:36 -0400
> Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> 

> > 
> > If it were me, the only change I'd make to the "lazy body download"
> > method would be that, if the highlighted message's body hasn't been
> > downloaded yet, show a blank body, not the body of the previous and
> > completely unrelated message.
> 
> Hm, but this is part of what makes this feature useful to me. I can
> skim through the message list without losing the one open. I can also
> delete and move other messages without losing what's open. All very
> useful to me. Workflows can be a very personal thing :)

You're not kidding. When I first saw Claws' "Mark instead of delete", I
thought it was a bug. I actually still do. But it's a darn useful
"bug", and I use it constantly, and even when I found out how to
configure Claws to do the "normal" thing and put deleted stuff in
trash, I kept it at its "buggy" default. :-)

If the Claws Crew ever does make moving to an unpulled body yield
a blank body, you could probably doubleclick the last email you want to
keep, so it stays persistent.

> 
> To be fair, I hardly ever delete emails, I am much more concerned
> about marking emails as read by accident.
> 
> Maybe marking somehow in the message pane, that this is currently NOT
> what is selected could help? This might also be easier to implement,
> in case cairo makes the - as I learned old behavior - too complicated,
> e.g. by changing the background color to a configurable value.

Ugh!

That strikes me as convoluted and surprising, but then again, that's
what documentation is for :-)

Thanks

SteveT

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From sitaramc at gmail.com  Tue Jul 31 02:10:09 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:40:09 +0530
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:03 AM, Michael Gmelin <freebsd at grem.de> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:16:36 -0400
> Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:39:08 +0200, Michael Gmelin said:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:08:56 -0400
>> > Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Fair enough, but when a part of the program departs from the
>> > > behavior norms of user software, for gosh sakes, DOCUMENT IT, and
>> > > document it prominently.
>> >
>> > Well, Claws deletes the currently selected message - which is
>> > standard behavior for UI applications. Moving the cursor keys does
>> > not open a mail, but changes the selection
>>
>> That behavior is configurable. The surprising part is, if you
>> configure it to not pull the body on changing the message, instead of
>> blanking out the body of the previous message, it keeps the body of
>> the previous message.
>>
>> >  - which is standard behavior for many
>> > file managers and other programs where changing the selection does
>> > not open a file. It might be unusual for a mail client - but then
>> > again, clicking an email actual opens it, just moving the selection
>> > with the cursor keys doesn't. I don't quite understand how somebody
>> > could just not realize this immediately - I mean you are using the
>> > cursor keys and realize that the selection changes, but the mail
>> > shown doesn't. It's very obvious and I doubt that anybody who is
>> > not getting this will actually read the documentation before
>> > stumbling over this (who is reading documentation software before
>> > using a program these days anyway
>> > - if ever, unless they hit a problem which would be too late in this
>> > case).
>>
>> As someone who accidentally deleted because of this, let me explain
>> how it happened. First, I get 500 nonspam messages a day, so I move
>> fast. My mental algorithm for deleting a message is that if I see
>> anything in either the body or the subject indicating I'm not
>> interested, I just press d. Also, keep in mind my desktop Claws is
>> configured to pull the body upon highlighting the current message. So
>> I deleted a piece of spam after reading both the subject and the
>> body. The highlight moved to the next message, but I was still
>> looking at the body, and saw it waas the same. A quick look at the
>> subject showed it and the sender different, and I thought "Oh, one of
>> those virus-generated spams that changes its subject every time", and
>> pressed d again. After four of these I was thinking it's a pretty
>> prolific virus. After five, I realized I had skipped a step
>> somewhere, went back, undeleted the messages, and discovered the
>> bodies changed when I pressed Enter or clicked the message.
>>
>> >
>> > That said, I have a very simple suggestion that might solve this and
>> > increase usability at the same time - it definitely would get the
>> > attention of new users so that they understand that something's
>> > different:
>> >
>> > Change the message list, so that the mail currently shown in the
>> > message pane is marked as well as the currently selected mail. Keep
>> > the standard selection color in case both refer to the same mail
>> > (selected mail is also the one shown). When moving the selection
>> > using the cursor keys, keep an outline around the currently shown
>> > email and use a different color for the selection bar. If you hit
>> > enter, the previously shown email gets deselected, and the selected
>> > entry uses the normal selection bar again (I hope you get the idea).
>>
>> If it were me, the only change I'd make to the "lazy body download"
>> method would be that, if the highlighted message's body hasn't been
>> downloaded yet, show a blank body, not the body of the previous and
>> completely unrelated message.
>
> Hm, but this is part of what makes this feature useful to me. I can
> skim through the message list without losing the one open. I can also
> delete and move other messages without losing what's open. All very
> useful to me. Workflows can be a very personal thing :)

Sure, but the *default* setting is what we're arguing about.  For you,
it's just one setting away.


From freebsd at grem.de  Tue Jul 31 02:33:15 2012
From: freebsd at grem.de (Michael Gmelin)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 02:33:15 +0200
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:40:09 +0530
Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:03 AM, Michael Gmelin <freebsd at grem.de>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:16:36 -0400
> > Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:39:08 +0200, Michael Gmelin said:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:08:56 -0400
> >> > Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > > Fair enough, but when a part of the program departs from the
> >> > > behavior norms of user software, for gosh sakes, DOCUMENT IT,
> >> > > and document it prominently.
> >> >
> >> > Well, Claws deletes the currently selected message - which is
> >> > standard behavior for UI applications. Moving the cursor keys
> >> > does not open a mail, but changes the selection
> >>
> >> That behavior is configurable. The surprising part is, if you
> >> configure it to not pull the body on changing the message, instead
> >> of blanking out the body of the previous message, it keeps the
> >> body of the previous message.
> >>
> >> >  - which is standard behavior for many
> >> > file managers and other programs where changing the selection
> >> > does not open a file. It might be unusual for a mail client -
> >> > but then again, clicking an email actual opens it, just moving
> >> > the selection with the cursor keys doesn't. I don't quite
> >> > understand how somebody could just not realize this immediately
> >> > - I mean you are using the cursor keys and realize that the
> >> > selection changes, but the mail shown doesn't. It's very obvious
> >> > and I doubt that anybody who is not getting this will actually
> >> > read the documentation before stumbling over this (who is
> >> > reading documentation software before using a program these days
> >> > anyway
> >> > - if ever, unless they hit a problem which would be too late in
> >> > this case).
> >>
> >> As someone who accidentally deleted because of this, let me explain
> >> how it happened. First, I get 500 nonspam messages a day, so I move
> >> fast. My mental algorithm for deleting a message is that if I see
> >> anything in either the body or the subject indicating I'm not
> >> interested, I just press d. Also, keep in mind my desktop Claws is
> >> configured to pull the body upon highlighting the current message.
> >> So I deleted a piece of spam after reading both the subject and the
> >> body. The highlight moved to the next message, but I was still
> >> looking at the body, and saw it waas the same. A quick look at the
> >> subject showed it and the sender different, and I thought "Oh, one
> >> of those virus-generated spams that changes its subject every
> >> time", and pressed d again. After four of these I was thinking
> >> it's a pretty prolific virus. After five, I realized I had skipped
> >> a step somewhere, went back, undeleted the messages, and
> >> discovered the bodies changed when I pressed Enter or clicked the
> >> message.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > That said, I have a very simple suggestion that might solve this
> >> > and increase usability at the same time - it definitely would
> >> > get the attention of new users so that they understand that
> >> > something's different:
> >> >
> >> > Change the message list, so that the mail currently shown in the
> >> > message pane is marked as well as the currently selected mail.
> >> > Keep the standard selection color in case both refer to the same
> >> > mail (selected mail is also the one shown). When moving the
> >> > selection using the cursor keys, keep an outline around the
> >> > currently shown email and use a different color for the
> >> > selection bar. If you hit enter, the previously shown email gets
> >> > deselected, and the selected entry uses the normal selection bar
> >> > again (I hope you get the idea).
> >>
> >> If it were me, the only change I'd make to the "lazy body download"
> >> method would be that, if the highlighted message's body hasn't been
> >> downloaded yet, show a blank body, not the body of the previous and
> >> completely unrelated message.
> >
> > Hm, but this is part of what makes this feature useful to me. I can
> > skim through the message list without losing the one open. I can
> > also delete and move other messages without losing what's open. All
> > very useful to me. Workflows can be a very personal thing :)
> 
> Sure, but the *default* setting is what we're arguing about.  For you,
> it's just one setting away.

In general to me it's still more of a philosophical question - do you
want to make the software behave like other mail clients do by
default (remember, most users don't even change defaults or assume if
it's default, it's the preferred option to use) - or do you want to
make it behave like claws and expose users to the different features
directly, so that they understand: Wow, that actually is something new
and exciting.

I think a Wiki/FAQ section on how claws differs from other mail
programs might be beneficial of course and is something normal users
could provide.

Since I'm just a user of claws I think there's nothing more I can
contribute to the discussion at this point.

Thanks,
Michael

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From sitaramc at gmail.com  Tue Jul 31 03:28:39 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:58:39 +0530
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Michael Gmelin <freebsd at grem.de> wrote:

> In general to me it's still more of a philosophical question - do you
> want to make the software behave like other mail clients do by

If the devs don't want to make this change fine, but it should be for
reasons specific to the feature, not "do you want to make the software
behave like other mail clients do...".

"Everyone else does it this way" may be the wrong reason to make a
change, but it cuts both ways -- it's just as much of a wrong reason
for *not* making a change.

> default (remember, most users don't even change defaults or assume if
> it's default, it's the preferred option to use) - or do you want to
> make it behave like claws and expose users to the different features
> directly, so that they understand: Wow, that actually is something new
> and exciting.

And I'm saying that's perfectly fine for 99% of claws features but
sometimes, just once in a while, you have to say "this will surprise
people in a bad way if they're coming from some other mail client so
let's respect that at least in the default config, while people who
want the other way will know to change it".

> I think a Wiki/FAQ section on how claws differs from other mail
> programs might be beneficial of course and is something normal users
> could provide.

as someone else said, no one reads docs until after they've been bitten.

> Since I'm just a user of claws I think there's nothing more I can
> contribute to the discussion at this point.

I'm thinking the same way, except s/discussion/mailing list/.

Sure there were a couple of sensible folks who debated the *actual
issue*, even if only one agreed with me.

Far too many other responses seem to be saying, in effect, "we're
different [and here's some gratuitous chest beating to convince you],
so deal with it", while totally ignoring the merits and demerits of
the actual issue.  Amusing the first couple of times but gets old
fast.

[Hopefully I'm wrong about this; I'll probably track a few more topics
to see.  Especially topics that I don't have an opinion on, so I can
be more objective].


From freebsd at grem.de  Tue Jul 31 05:14:54 2012
From: freebsd at grem.de (Michael Gmelin)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 05:14:54 +0200
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:58:39 +0530
Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Michael Gmelin <freebsd at grem.de>
> wrote:
> 
> > In general to me it's still more of a philosophical question - do
> > you want to make the software behave like other mail clients do by
> 
> If the devs don't want to make this change fine, but it should be for
> reasons specific to the feature, not "do you want to make the software
> behave like other mail clients do...".
> 

I think that Claws is better with this feature enabled. Therefore it
should be the default, so users learn about it. I'm not certain if you
actually think that this is a useful feature at all or not, your
argument was that it might surprise users in a bad way - while I think
having to move mail once from Trash to Inbox is not a big deal and I
got surprised in a good way.  I also think that this feature could be
improved, but not by disabling it by default (and it seems like it
used to be implemented differenly, which makes a lot of sense).

Brief overview of the debate:

1. Is the feature useful to a significant number of users?
   I think "yes", you think ?

2. Is it a bad surprise or even dangerous?
   I think "no", you think "yes"

3. Should features be disabled by default to make migration easier for
users
   We both think "if it's a bad surprise", but we seem to have different
definitions of what "bad" means - to me this is an inconvenience for a
migrating user and I don't think a program should sacrifice its default
feature set to avoid inconvenience for new users.

This *is* specific to this feature - if the feature in question
was that claws by default erased your HOME directory on invalid password
entry I would strongly suggest to not make this the default.

At the same time the general question of where you draw the line
between inconvenience, bad surprise and dangerous is also part of this
discussion. It's different for every project and depends on the project
goals, target audience, if/who you want to compete with, etc.

I guess we can agree to disagree :)


[removed comments, I'm sorry if the discussion seemed like a waste of
your time]

-- 
Michael Gmelin


From sitaramc at gmail.com  Tue Jul 31 07:10:38 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:40:38 +0530
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Michael Gmelin <freebsd at grem.de> wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:58:39 +0530
> Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Michael Gmelin <freebsd at grem.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > In general to me it's still more of a philosophical question - do
>> > you want to make the software behave like other mail clients do by
>>
>> If the devs don't want to make this change fine, but it should be for
>> reasons specific to the feature, not "do you want to make the software
>> behave like other mail clients do...".
>>
>
> I think that Claws is better with this feature enabled. Therefore it
> should be the default, so users learn about it. I'm not certain if you
> actually think that this is a useful feature at all or not, your
> argument was that it might surprise users in a bad way - while I think
> having to move mail once from Trash to Inbox is not a big deal and I
> got surprised in a good way.  I also think that this feature could be
> improved, but not by disabling it by default (and it seems like it
> used to be implemented differenly, which makes a lot of sense).
>
> Brief overview of the debate:
>
> 1. Is the feature useful to a significant number of users?
>    I think "yes", you think ?

On low bandwidth networks, certainly.  On that note, maybe the devs
can consider moving this to the per-account options, with a note
telling the user to read [somewhere].  Keep the current default but
now it's a little more "in your face" (since account setup options are
more likely to be looked at than general preferences.

> 2. Is it a bad surprise or even dangerous?
>    I think "no", you think "yes"

Yes.  Incidentally the only one I found so far in claws.

On the other hand, if you want to use it as a twit filter to keep away
clueless users then that's fine.  Put in some warnings to warn them
off and then tell them take a hike if they complain.

[I'm not against such a policy.  I actually say stuff like that in
several parts of the documentation for gitolite; not everything needs
to be newbie-friendly].

> 3. Should features be disabled by default to make migration easier for
> users
>    We both think "if it's a bad surprise", but we seem to have different
> definitions of what "bad" means - to me this is an inconvenience for a
> migrating user and I don't think a program should sacrifice its default
> feature set to avoid inconvenience for new users.

I disagree but that's fine.  See above on making it more prominent at least.

> This *is* specific to this feature - if the feature in question
> was that claws by default erased your HOME directory on invalid password
> entry I would strongly suggest to not make this the default.

This would be a valid point if the example was a feature that *does*
(or even *could**, in future) exist in claws as an option.  We're
debating default behaviour, not what would clearly be a bug.  As it
is, you're just indulging in reductio ad absurdium.

> At the same time the general question of where you draw the line
> between inconvenience, bad surprise and dangerous is also part of this
> discussion. It's different for every project and depends on the project
> goals, target audience, if/who you want to compete with, etc.
>
> I guess we can agree to disagree :)

Why does the word "compete" even come up here?  Stick to goals and
target audience.

> [removed comments, I'm sorry if the discussion seemed like a waste of
> your time].

This email you just sent wasn't a waste of my time to read/respond ;-)


From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 31 07:58:36 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:58:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2557] "Total Messages" column is stuck to the
 right-most side of its panel
In-Reply-To: <bug-2557-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2557-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120731055836.6BC4F85397@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2557





--- Comment #12 from Paul  2012-07-31 07:58:34 ---
Lets not forget that it is called 'small screen' layout for a reason, and that
reason is that it's for small screens, (like maemo n8xx originally, iirc). If
it were renamed 'single pane', like the original reporter suggested, then you
might have a point. It is not surprising that a layout for a small screen looks
weird on a big screen, imo. On my old (now deceased) n800 it looked great.

(BTW, attaching the screenshot is almost useless, we can all easily see the
layout at the click of a button)

-- 
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------- You are receiving this mail because: -------
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From freebsd at grem.de  Tue Jul 31 09:40:07 2012
From: freebsd at grem.de (Michael Gmelin)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:40:07 +0200
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better documentation
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:40:38 +0530
Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Michael Gmelin <freebsd at grem.de>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:58:39 +0530
> > Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Michael Gmelin <freebsd at grem.de>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > In general to me it's still more of a philosophical question - do
> >> > you want to make the software behave like other mail clients do
> >> > by
> >>
> >> If the devs don't want to make this change fine, but it should be
> >> for reasons specific to the feature, not "do you want to make the
> >> software behave like other mail clients do...".
> >>
> >
> > I think that Claws is better with this feature enabled. Therefore it
> > should be the default, so users learn about it. I'm not certain if
> > you actually think that this is a useful feature at all or not, your
> > argument was that it might surprise users in a bad way - while I
> > think having to move mail once from Trash to Inbox is not a big
> > deal and I got surprised in a good way.  I also think that this
> > feature could be improved, but not by disabling it by default (and
> > it seems like it used to be implemented differenly, which makes a
> > lot of sense).
> >
> > Brief overview of the debate:
> >
> > 1. Is the feature useful to a significant number of users?
> >    I think "yes", you think ?
> 
> On low bandwidth networks, certainly.  On that note, maybe the devs
> can consider moving this to the per-account options, with a note
> telling the user to read [somewhere].  Keep the current default but
> now it's a little more "in your face" (since account setup options are
> more likely to be looked at than general preferences.

Well, to me this is not about low bandwidth at all (fortunately I'm
hardly ever have to read email on low bandwidth these days - well I
still am, but that usually means a video isn't playing in HD
without buffering, so really not an issue). As I wrote earlier, to me
it is a real usability advantage.

> 
> > 2. Is it a bad surprise or even dangerous?
> >    I think "no", you think "yes"
> 
> Yes.  Incidentally the only one I found so far in claws.
> 
> On the other hand, if you want to use it as a twit filter to keep away
> clueless users then that's fine.  Put in some warnings to warn them
> off and then tell them take a hike if they complain.
> 
> [I'm not against such a policy.  I actually say stuff like that in
> several parts of the documentation for gitolite; not everything needs
> to be newbie-friendly].

Gitolite makes my life a lot easier, thanks for providing it!

> 
> > 3. Should features be disabled by default to make migration easier
> > for users
> >    We both think "if it's a bad surprise", but we seem to have
> > different definitions of what "bad" means - to me this is an
> > inconvenience for a migrating user and I don't think a program
> > should sacrifice its default feature set to avoid inconvenience for
> > new users.
> 
> I disagree but that's fine.  See above on making it more prominent at
> least.
> 
> > This *is* specific to this feature - if the feature in question
> > was that claws by default erased your HOME directory on invalid
> > password entry I would strongly suggest to not make this the
> > default.
> 
> This would be a valid point if the example was a feature that *does*
> (or even *could**, in future) exist in claws as an option.  We're
> debating default behaviour, not what would clearly be a bug.  As it
> is, you're just indulging in reductio ad absurdium.

This was giving an example of a feature everyone obviously considers
dangerous, not a stylistic device. I could actually imagine such a
feature to be useful in certain environments though (granted, usually
something like this is done by the device running the program and not
the email client itself). Anyway, I hope you got my point.

> 
> > At the same time the general question of where you draw the line
> > between inconvenience, bad surprise and dangerous is also part of
> > this discussion. It's different for every project and depends on
> > the project goals, target audience, if/who you want to compete
> > with, etc.
> >
> > I guess we can agree to disagree :)
> 
> Why does the word "compete" even come up here?  Stick to goals and
> target audience.

Well, some projects do, e.g. Mozilla Firefox - even though it's
open source - is trying to compete with commercial products (therefore
"if") - it's an important factor that has a huge impact on the
resulting software's look and feel. This of course intersects with
target audience to a certain degree, but changes the spirit of
the project.

> 
> > [removed comments, I'm sorry if the discussion seemed like a waste
> > of your time].
> 
> This email you just sent wasn't a waste of my time to read/respond ;-)

This whole discussion was full of misunderstanding, reading between
the lines (or lack of). Confusing general statements with specifics
and vice versa. A beautiful example of written communication gone wrong.

Thanks for your time/effort though, I enjoyed it for the most part.

(I'm pretty certain that doing
"grep always_show_message_when_selected ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc" 
on our machines yields different results :)


> _______________________________________________
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> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users



-- 
Michael Gmelin


From netuse at lavabit.com  Tue Jul 31 10:05:25 2012
From: netuse at lavabit.com (Marco)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:05:25 +0200
Subject: [Users] Default CC for mailing lists
Message-ID: <20120731100525.3bcacd78@homerow>

Hi,

I have a question about how to set up claws-mail to work nicely with
mailing lists.

If I respond to a mail posted on a mailing list, I want to respond
to the list in the first place. So the “To:” field should be filled
with the mailing list address (this is already the default). I also
would like the “CC:” field to be filled with the person I am
responding to (this is what I didn't yet manage to set up).

In the folder for the mailing list I can set some options, like
default “To:”, “CC:”, etc. But I don't see any way to obtain the
behaviour I want.

How do I achieve that?


Marco




From mir at miras.org  Tue Jul 31 10:22:02 2012
From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:22:02 +0200
Subject: [Users] Default CC for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20120731100525.3bcacd78@homerow>
References: <20120731100525.3bcacd78@homerow>
Message-ID: <20120731102202.24202414@sleipner.datanom.net>

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:05:25 +0200
Marco <netuse at lavabit.com> wrote:

> I have a question about how to set up claws-mail to work nicely with
> mailing lists.
> 
If your intentions are to work nicely with mailing lists you should not
CC to the original poster since he, for sure, will read mails to the
list anyway. Most list already have an option were users can choose to
be notified if someone is responding to their postings.

-- 
Hilsen/Regards
Michael Rasmussen

Get my public GnuPG keys:
michael <at> rasmussen <dot> cc
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E
mir <at> datanom <dot> net
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C
mir <at> miras <dot> org
http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917
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From gbonnema at xs4all.nl  Tue Jul 31 10:28:41 2012
From: gbonnema at xs4all.nl (Guus Bonnema)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:28:41 +0200
Subject: [Users] Default CC for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20120731102202.24202414@sleipner.datanom.net>
References: <20120731100525.3bcacd78@homerow>
	<20120731102202.24202414@sleipner.datanom.net>
Message-ID: <20120731102841.3897e20b@mahatma>

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:22:02 +0200
Michael Rasmussen <mir at miras.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:05:25 +0200
> Marco <netuse at lavabit.com> wrote:
> 
> > I have a question about how to set up claws-mail to work nicely with
> > mailing lists.
> > 
> If your intentions are to work nicely with mailing lists you should
> not CC to the original poster since he, for sure, will read mails to
> the list anyway. Most list already have an option were users can
> choose to be notified if someone is responding to their postings.
> 

I agree. I often get mails from the mailinglist in my inbox. People
that automatically cc me above the mailing list cause spam in my box: I
do not need the message and I do not appreciate it.

As a workaround: some people send in to a mailinglist without a
subscription. Usually these people have themselves in the "to" as well
as the mailing list.
So, if you would do a "reply all" you would only send to people's
personal mailbox when they addressed them selves as well. And people
like me, just subscribed, would not get double messages.

In other words use I would appreciate it if you would not automatically
address my personal mailbox as for me that would be spam. I am very
glad Claws does not support that.

Guus Bonnema.


From netuse at lavabit.com  Tue Jul 31 10:40:54 2012
From: netuse at lavabit.com (Marco)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:40:54 +0200
Subject: [Users] Default CC for mailing lists
References: <20120731100525.3bcacd78@homerow>
	<20120731102202.24202414@sleipner.datanom.net>
	<20120731102841.3897e20b@mahatma>
Message-ID: <20120731104054.1b211306@homerow>

Hi Michael and Guus,

thanks to both of you for your opinions. I thought it was common
practice to sent a CC, since I often receive those.

I will then refrain from setting up this feature.


Marco




From andrej at kacian.sk  Tue Jul 31 10:44:45 2012
From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:44:45 +0200
Subject: [Users] Default CC for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20120731100525.3bcacd78@homerow>
References: <20120731100525.3bcacd78@homerow>
Message-ID: <20120731104445.2421900c@hiker>

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:05:25 +0200
Marco <netuse at lavabit.com> wrote:

> I have a question about how to set up claws-mail to work nicely with
> mailing lists.
> 
> If I respond to a mail posted on a mailing list, I want to respond
> to the list in the first place. So the “To:” field should be filled
> with the mailing list address (this is already the default). I also
> would like the “CC:” field to be filled with the person I am
> responding to (this is what I didn't yet manage to set up).
> 
> In the folder for the mailing list I can set some options, like
> default “To:”, “CC:”, etc. But I don't see any way to obtain the
> behaviour I want.
> 
> How do I achieve that?

If you really want to do this (let's say the person you're answering
asked for it, since they're not subscribed to the list), using "Reply to
All" should work for most lists. It will include sender's address, as
well as the address from List-Post header as recipients of your reply.

HTH,
Andrej


From ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 31 11:22:51 2012
From: ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk (Kevin Chadwick)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:22:51 +0100
Subject: [Users] Default CC for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20120731100525.3bcacd78@homerow>
References: <20120731100525.3bcacd78@homerow>
Message-ID: <78772.11555.bm@smtp116.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

> I also
> would like the “CC:” field to be filled with the person I am
> responding to (this is what I didn't yet manage to set up).

I've never understood this behaviour. It annoys me when I get two
identical mails and I manually remove the CCs when replying.

I now wonder if it's possible to set up a "reply without CC button"?

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________

'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work
together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a
universal interface'

(Doug McIlroy)
_______________________________________________________________________


From ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 31 11:23:35 2012
From: ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk (Kevin Chadwick)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:23:35 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better
 documentation
In-Reply-To: <CAMK1S_jdmD40GwJ_s45+T6Uz4ia6_KcBbfSgC=mJ9evRFMF5MQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
	<CAMK1S_je3GAkKvGaSNCdw5LRBAkCSV3hSD9E0QqMazJDTsCXvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120729103341.72613d93@thewildbeast>
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	<CAMK1S_jdmD40GwJ_s45+T6Uz4ia6_KcBbfSgC=mJ9evRFMF5MQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47242.14669.bm@smtp130.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

> And I'm saying that's perfectly fine for 99% of claws features but
> sometimes, just once in a while, you have to say "this will surprise
> people in a bad way if they're coming from some other mail client so
> let's respect that at least in the default config, while people who
> want the other way will know to change it".

Executing a virus and having the password stolen that they also use for
their front door or Googles admin servers ;-) might be surprising too.

I just skip spam myself on my mailing list client and I use disposable
addresses on my mail servers even telling me who the culprits who feed
my address to spammers are. I realise many can't do this and disposable
address services offered by yahoo are very limited but thought I
would throw it out there. Anyone know if there is a good disposable
address service offered by any company for your own domain at a
reasonable price?

I just tried delete and I get an are you sure you want to delete message
by default.


-- 
_______________________________________________________________________

'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work
together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a
universal interface'

(Doug McIlroy)
_______________________________________________________________________


From sitaramc at gmail.com  Tue Jul 31 11:40:18 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:10:18 +0530
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better
	documentation
In-Reply-To: <47242.14669.bm@smtp130.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
	<CAMK1S_je3GAkKvGaSNCdw5LRBAkCSV3hSD9E0QqMazJDTsCXvw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<47242.14669.bm@smtp130.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMK1S_ieuZ4WafPNUx_Hy2mmGynomA9P6C2USNYutRu6w5W5UA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Kevin Chadwick <ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> And I'm saying that's perfectly fine for 99% of claws features but
>> sometimes, just once in a while, you have to say "this will surprise
>> people in a bad way if they're coming from some other mail client so
>> let's respect that at least in the default config, while people who
>> want the other way will know to change it".
>
> Executing a virus and having the password stolen that they also use for
> their front door or Googles admin servers ;-) might be surprising too.

I didn't understand this.  Are you saying opening a message may pull
in malware on Claws?

Even the default config for the "fancy" plugin has "Block External
content" and keeps JS and Java disabled.

Could you help me understand what you meant?


From brad at fineby.me.uk  Tue Jul 31 11:06:59 2012
From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:06:59 +0100
Subject: [Users] Default CC for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20120731104054.1b211306@homerow>
References: <20120731100525.3bcacd78@homerow>
	<20120731102202.24202414@sleipner.datanom.net>
	<20120731102841.3897e20b@mahatma> <20120731104054.1b211306@homerow>
Message-ID: <20120731100659.42d3819c@abydos.stargate.org.uk>

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:40:54 +0200
Marco <netuse at lavabit.com> wrote:

Hello Marco,

>thanks to both of you for your opinions. I thought it was common
>practice to sent a CC, since I often receive those.

It's certainly not uncommon, but it's not really standard practice.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
We're going to hell anyway, let's travel first class
Saturday Night - Kaiser Chiefs
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From ricardo at mones.org  Tue Jul 31 12:17:31 2012
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:17:31 +0200
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better
 documentation
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References: <20120730110425.71f29d0f@bsd64.grem.de>
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Message-ID: <20120731101731.GB31005@trasgu>

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 03:10:18PM +0530, Sitaram Chamarty wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Kevin Chadwick <ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> And I'm saying that's perfectly fine for 99% of claws features but
> >> sometimes, just once in a while, you have to say "this will surprise
> >> people in a bad way if they're coming from some other mail client so
> >> let's respect that at least in the default config, while people who
> >> want the other way will know to change it".
> >
> > Executing a virus and having the password stolen that they also use for
> > their front door or Googles admin servers ;-) might be surprising too.
> 
> I didn't understand this.  Are you saying opening a message may pull
> in malware on Claws?

  Not that we know, of course.
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
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From ricardo at mones.org  Tue Jul 31 12:49:45 2012
From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:49:45 +0200
Subject: [Users] Default CC for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20120731104054.1b211306@homerow>
References: <20120731100525.3bcacd78@homerow>
	<20120731102202.24202414@sleipner.datanom.net>
	<20120731102841.3897e20b@mahatma> <20120731104054.1b211306@homerow>
Message-ID: <20120731104945.GC31005@trasgu>

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:40:54AM +0200, Marco wrote:
> Hi Michael and Guus,
> 
> thanks to both of you for your opinions. I thought it was common
> practice to sent a CC, since I often receive those.

  It's common on open mailing lists, where mailing the list is allowed
without being subscribed. But then the poster should ask for Cc, because
there's no way to know that fact for the common list reader.

> I will then refrain from setting up this feature.

  As Andrej said, if the poster asks for Cc, reply all should suffice, if
not, just reply is enough.

  regards,
-- 
  Ricardo Mones 
  ~
  The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out.            Unknown

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From ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 31 13:20:56 2012
From: ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk (Kevin Chadwick)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:20:56 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better
 documentation
In-Reply-To: <CAMK1S_ieuZ4WafPNUx_Hy2mmGynomA9P6C2USNYutRu6w5W5UA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
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Message-ID: <818287.44146.bm@smtp129.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:10:18 +0530
Sitaram Chamarty wrote:

> > Executing a virus and having the password stolen that they also use for
> > their front door or Googles admin servers ;-) might be surprising too.  
> 
> I didn't understand this.  Are you saying opening a message may pull
> in malware on Claws?
> 
> Even the default config for the "fancy" plugin has "Block External
> content" and keeps JS and Java disabled.
> 
> Could you help me understand what you meant?

Outlook has had many exploits that are related to html parsing. Even
png and jpeg have had many exploits on Unix. By default I expect
you have a reasonable guarantee on claws with regard to the html to text
feature. I'm not sure what the default is for "Automatically Display
attached images" in preferences but there is certainly plenty more low
hanging fruit on other clients for malware to target. It annoys me that
there is only html mode on my constantly known bug ridden Android at the
moment.


From sitaramc at gmail.com  Tue Jul 31 14:20:45 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:50:45 +0530
Subject: [Users] Default CC for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20120731104945.GC31005@trasgu>
References: <20120731100525.3bcacd78@homerow>
	<20120731102202.24202414@sleipner.datanom.net>
	<20120731102841.3897e20b@mahatma> <20120731104054.1b211306@homerow>
	<20120731104945.GC31005@trasgu>
Message-ID: <CAMK1S_ip8kjAC6x2tQSQdj1v5vTALDxrbSSxZNeH4_CUde8juQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Ricardo Mones <ricardo at mones.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:40:54AM +0200, Marco wrote:
>> Hi Michael and Guus,
>>
>> thanks to both of you for your opinions. I thought it was common
>> practice to sent a CC, since I often receive those.
>
>   It's common on open mailing lists, where mailing the list is allowed
> without being subscribed. But then the poster should ask for Cc, because
> there's no way to know that fact for the common list reader.

The git ML is one such list (as is the lkml, I think).  I'm
subscribed, and I don't remember ever seeing a duplicate message on
mails where I'm in the to/cc so the ML software must be eliminating
duplicates before it does its thing.

Either that or gmail is doing it on the receive side based on
message-id.  This is less likely.


From sitaramc at gmail.com  Tue Jul 31 14:24:38 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:54:38 +0530
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better
	documentation
In-Reply-To: <818287.44146.bm@smtp129.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Kevin Chadwick <ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:10:18 +0530
> Sitaram Chamarty wrote:
>
>> > Executing a virus and having the password stolen that they also use for
>> > their front door or Googles admin servers ;-) might be surprising too.
>>
>> I didn't understand this.  Are you saying opening a message may pull
>> in malware on Claws?
>>
>> Even the default config for the "fancy" plugin has "Block External
>> content" and keeps JS and Java disabled.
>>
>> Could you help me understand what you meant?
>
> Outlook has had many exploits that are related to html parsing. Even

Who asked about Outlook?

> png and jpeg have had many exploits on Unix. By default I expect
> you have a reasonable guarantee on claws with regard to the html to text
> feature. I'm not sure what the default is for "Automatically Display
> attached images" in preferences but there is certainly plenty more low
> hanging fruit on other clients for malware to target. It annoys me that
> there is only html mode on my constantly known bug ridden Android at the
> moment.

You basically threw up a strawman argument to bolster your contention
that the current default is safer when it actually has nothing to do
with safety.


From ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 31 15:57:09 2012
From: ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk (Kevin Chadwick)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:57:09 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better
 documentation
In-Reply-To: <CAMK1S_g0M7nkp09Bka7sTJrAP_PKut+JD9rzyUNqP83iY5YXZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120728194419.3a488db8@mydesk>
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:54:38 +0530
Sitaram Chamarty wrote:

> You basically threw up a strawman argument to bolster your contention
> that the current default is safer when it actually has nothing to do
> with safety.

Rubbish, you obviously don't understand security. 

http://osvdb.org/search?search%5Bvuln_title%5D=png&search%5Btext_type%5D=alltext
http://osvdb.org/search?search%5Bvuln_title%5D=jpeg&search%5Btext_type%5D=alltext

Think of it like someone else deciding what web pages you visit. It is
not just because of javascript flash and Java that it is constantly
stated that you should only click on links you trust on websites. This
is often overlooked because of the extremely low hanging fruit of
phishing making people believe they are safe as long as they don't
click on anything within an email.


From sitaramc at gmail.com  Tue Jul 31 18:08:13 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:38:13 +0530
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better
	documentation
In-Reply-To: <827494.3718.bm@smtp139.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Kevin Chadwick <ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:54:38 +0530
> Sitaram Chamarty wrote:
>
>> You basically threw up a strawman argument to bolster your contention
>> that the current default is safer when it actually has nothing to do
>> with safety.
>
> Rubbish, you obviously don't understand security.

What I do understand is that you brought in Outlook when we're discussing Claws.

> http://osvdb.org/search?search%5Bvuln_title%5D=png&search%5Btext_type%5D=alltext
> http://osvdb.org/search?search%5Bvuln_title%5D=jpeg&search%5Btext_type%5D=alltext

Are *all* your contacts (friends, family...) smart about this and
immune to malware?  Never received an email supposedly from your
colleague?

One of the viruses (around '98 or so; forget which one), once it hit a
(Windows) user, would look in his mail for suitable subject lines and
addresses and reply with those subject lines to those addresses.
You'll have no reason to suspect it's anything but a genuine email
from someone you know.

> Think of it like someone else deciding what web pages you visit. It is
> not just because of javascript flash and Java that it is constantly
> stated that you should only click on links you trust on websites. This
> is often overlooked because of the extremely low hanging fruit of
> phishing making people believe they are safe as long as they don't
> click on anything within an email.

yeah yeah yeah...


From John at wexfordpress.com  Tue Jul 31 18:36:32 2012
From: John at wexfordpress.com (john Culleton)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:36:32 -0400
Subject: [Users] Filters,
	WAS Claws config needs much better documentation
In-Reply-To: <CAMK1S_gvxWQFBWe_phC4FEdpA5bPjkYDzxqxM_LuXjNTSyNfFA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20120731123632.653f5840@sda3.wexfordpress.net>

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:38:13 +0530
Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Kevin Chadwick
> <ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:54:38 +0530
> > Sitaram Chamarty wrote:
(something)

I use filters to send mail to the correct folder. Recently mail
like this one has fallen through the cracks because the list is
just a cc, not either the sender or the recipient. If there is a
way to create a filter to send mail like Sitaram's latest to my claws-mail
folder automatically please advise. 

My present filters will work if the list is the "to" address
and the individual is a cc: address. 

-- 
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From sitaramc at gmail.com  Tue Jul 31 18:56:31 2012
From: sitaramc at gmail.com (Sitaram Chamarty)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 22:26:31 +0530
Subject: [Users] Filters,
	WAS Claws config needs much better documentation
In-Reply-To: <20120731123632.653f5840@sda3.wexfordpress.net>
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:06 PM, john Culleton <John at wexfordpress.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:38:13 +0530
> Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Kevin Chadwick
>> <ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:54:38 +0530
>> > Sitaram Chamarty wrote:
> (something)
>
> I use filters to send mail to the correct folder. Recently mail
> like this one has fallen through the cracks because the list is
> just a cc, not either the sender or the recipient. If there is a

Sorry about that.  I'm trying to make sure I do the right thing but
too much time on a list with "dont drop cc's" policy is a bad habit to
break and sometimes I forget.

> way to create a filter to send mail like Sitaram's latest to my claws-mail
> folder automatically please advise.
>
> My present filters will work if the list is the "to" address
> and the individual is a cc: address.

Wouldn't "C users at lists.claws-mail.org" do?  On my 3.8.0 system it
says this means "either to: or cc:"

Or perhaps you can use the "X-BeenThere: users at lists.claws-mail.org"
header somehow?


From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Tue Jul 31 20:29:21 2012
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:29:21 -0400
Subject: [Users] [GoLugTech] thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <CALsnqftHd_Ko=OoDs4P15KP25vGigJyf2LGP1aBVZe4mq9h-bA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALsnqftHd_Ko=OoDs4P15KP25vGigJyf2LGP1aBVZe4mq9h-bA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120731142921.02be1a72@mydesk>

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:43:49 -0400, Chris Clifton said:
> Hi all,
> 
> Do I read it correctly that thunderbird funding is being cut back by
> mozilla?
> 
> I'm not on a linux mail client yet, wondering what others are using in
> ubuntu for mail client, I need multiple pop3 profiles, good html
> support, fast indexing and searching, solid gpg support and all the
> usual bells and whistles. Evolution seems to be in pretty widespread
> use. Wondering what others like and use heavily.

Hi Chris,

I tried Evolution once about 10 years ago, and it was too complex and
comprehensive for me to understand.

The centerpiece of my emailing activity is a Dovecot IMAP server on my
daily driver desktop computer. The way it works is that fetchmail grabs
all my email from my various POP accounts, pushes them through
procmail, whose filters distribute the emails into the proper Dovecot
IMAP directories (and also /dev/null stuff from PITA people). As far as
I know, my Dovecot has never malfunctioned.

Currently, I access my local IMAP with Claws-Mail. Claws is capable,
robust, and does what I need without being an ecological disaster like
Kmail or intermittently pig slow like Thunderbird. Claws' configuration
is difficult to wrap your head around, and very much in need of better
documentation, but so far, thanks to a knowledgeable and helpful user
community on the mailing list, I've been able to make almost every
config change to speed my interaction with Claws.

My one complaint about Claws that can't be cured by documentation is
its propensity to do everything with one process and one thread, so
while you're sending an email or scanning your IMAP, you cannot look at
other emails. I also wanted their powerful search to be able to recurse
folders, and when nobody volunteered to do it, I tried to do it myself.
Making something recursive sounds like simply a matter of writing a
simple loop around the existing functionality, but what I found out is,
at least this part of Claws was written in a manner resembling MVC,
with process and UI completely commingled. For that reason I was unable
to make it recursive.

I have Claws on my daily driver and all my laptops. Thanks to Kevin
Korb's instructions, on the laptops I was able to tell Claws its IMAP
server was at 127.0.0.1. I pinholed my OpenBSD/pf firewall appliance to
port forward incoming ssh to my daily driver. Then, on my laptop, if
I'm at home and on the LAN, I run the following inhouse.sh

sudo ssh -NTL 993:127.0.0.1:993 slitt at 192.168.1.88

While on the road I run this travelling.sh:

sudo ssh -NTL 993:127.0.0.1:993 slitt at 99.99.99.99

In the preceding, 99.99.99.99 is the IP address my ISP gave me, while
192.168.1.88 is the LAN IP address of my daily driver. This makes
127.0.0.1:993 get pushed through ssh to the ISP supplied internet
address or the LAN address.

So I can use Claws to interact with my daily driver desktop anywhere I
go.

I'm extremely pleased with this setup. My IMAP tree is trivial to back
up, and gives me the assurance that if Claws-Mail ever commits suicide
the way Kmail did when they went to Kmail2, I can simply plug in a
different IMAP enabled email client. Meanwhile, Claws gives me an
extremely productive and easy to use user interface. With my
client/server setup, I no longer need to copy all my email too and from
the laptop when travelling.

I'm going to present on my remote use of my daily driver desktop
Dovecot, using Claws and ssh, at tomorrow night's GoLUG meeting.

HTH,

SteveT

Steve Litt                *  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
                          *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance



From ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 31 18:43:48 2012
From: ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk (Kevin Chadwick)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:43:48 +0100
Subject: [Users] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Claws config needs much better
 documentation
In-Reply-To: <CAMK1S_gvxWQFBWe_phC4FEdpA5bPjkYDzxqxM_LuXjNTSyNfFA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <523666.68925.bm@smtp127.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:38:13 +0530
Sitaram Chamarty wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Kevin Chadwick <ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:54:38 +0530
> > Sitaram Chamarty wrote:
> >
> >> You basically threw up a strawman argument to bolster your contention
> >> that the current default is safer when it actually has nothing to do
> >> with safety.
> >
> > Rubbish, you obviously don't understand security.
> 
> What I do understand is that you brought in Outlook when we're discussing Claws.
> 

Only because it is notorious for mshtml exploits that viruses have
used. Out of interest, what lib does the html plugin use on windows?


> > http://osvdb.org/search?search%5Bvuln_title%5D=png&search%5Btext_type%5D=alltext
> > http://osvdb.org/search?search%5Bvuln_title%5D=jpeg&search%5Btext_type%5D=alltext
> 
> Are *all* your contacts (friends, family...) smart about this and
> immune to malware?  Never received an email supposedly from your
> colleague?
> 

Well I have received one from a friend who had his password stolen by a
keylogger on holiday. It was obviously spam but his gmail address so I
right clicked without opening it and looked at the source and helped
him link it to his holiday and told him to change the password on all
his online accounts that he used it on (he said that took him ages).

> One of the viruses (around '98 or so; forget which one), once it hit a
> (Windows) user, would look in his mail for suitable subject lines and
> addresses and reply with those subject lines to those addresses.
> You'll have no reason to suspect it's anything but a genuine email
> from someone you know.
> 

So as I mentioned maybe the default for "Automatically Display attached
images" on all clients should be not to load images unless clicked if
that isn't the case already. Like firefox on android and noscript ask
before displaying flash.

In any case it doesn't change the fact that it is a good thing to be
able to delete mails without opening them on IMAP and a trivial problem
that could perhaps be made even more trivial to not notice the dis
linkage between message display and selection.


From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 31 20:39:33 2012
From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:39:33 +0100
Subject: [Users] [GoLugTech] thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <20120731142921.02be1a72@mydesk>
References: <CALsnqftHd_Ko=OoDs4P15KP25vGigJyf2LGP1aBVZe4mq9h-bA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120731142921.02be1a72@mydesk>
Message-ID: <20120731193933.0aadf3c8@thewildbeast>

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:29:21 -0400
Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com> wrote: 

> I also wanted their powerful search to be able to recurse
> folders

The Quick Search _does_ do recursive searching.

with regards

Paul


-- 
It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, 
but to a collector it is worth a fortune 


From colin at colino.net  Tue Jul 31 20:49:06 2012
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:49:06 +0200
Subject: [Users] [GoLugTech] thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <20120731142921.02be1a72@mydesk>
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On 31 July 2012 at 14h29, Steve Litt wrote:

Hi, 

> I also wanted their powerful search to be able to recurse
> folders, and when nobody volunteered to do it, I tried to do it
> myself.

Wait, it is recursive. Quicksearch, at least, is or can be set to be.

Edit/Search is less powerful.

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From colin at colino.net  Tue Jul 31 20:46:29 2012
From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:46:29 +0200
Subject: [Users] IMAP eqvt for "Receive Size Limit"
In-Reply-To: <CAMK1S_jqXyQqxCfUH_7-ALA6tKSdD1NWFAbLwOhKPKvK6ALksA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 30 July 2012 at 16h46, Sitaram Chamarty wrote:

Hi, 

> Is there any way in IMAP to get the effect of the "receive size limit"
> setting in POP3?  I have lots of large messages in gmail and trying to
> set it up over IMAP is proving to be a real pain.  Most of those
> messages are not really needed on the desktop (in "imapcache"), and
> I'd be happy to have the download happen "on demand" (i.e. when I
> click on such a message).
> 
> I don't even mind if there's a way to say "get headers only" and defer
> getting the bodies till I click.
> 
> any hints appreciated.  (Note: I have no filters running or even
> defined on this machine.  Same for pre- and post-processing and folder
> rules).

There is no such setting for IMAP, but Claws should only fetch headers
and not body if you have no filtering nor pre/post/processing. So that
is strange that bodies are fetched...

Apart if you have Synchronise for offline use checked in folder(s)
properties ?

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From freebsd at grem.de  Tue Jul 31 21:38:14 2012
From: freebsd at grem.de (Michael Gmelin)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:38:14 +0200
Subject: [Users] [GoLugTech] thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <20120731204906.36c674d1@marv>
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:49:06 +0200
Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> wrote:

> On 31 July 2012 at 14h29, Steve Litt wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> > I also wanted their powerful search to be able to recurse
> > folders, and when nobody volunteered to do it, I tried to do it
> > myself.
> 
> Wait, it is recursive. Quicksearch, at least, is or can be set to be.
> 
> Edit/Search is less powerful.
> 

I was wondering if Claws allows searching the message body server side
for IMAP accounts. As soon as I search the body using Edit->Search
Folder it starts downloading all my messages to imapcache.

(I asked that a few days ago, so sorry for invading this thread, but it
feels related - I hardly ever have to search the message body, but in
case I do I really need to and I'm not keen to end up mirroring my
complete imap folder locally).

Thanks

-- 
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From John at wexfordpress.com  Tue Jul 31 22:30:15 2012
From: John at wexfordpress.com (john Culleton)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:30:15 -0400
Subject: [Users] Filters,
 WAS Claws config needs much better documentation
In-Reply-To: <CAMK1S_gDKgz3ULAywC_a2PHzD+sApKg9krfF+V2Tp5gAt=C2RQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20120731163015.40a8f62c@sda3.wexfordpress.net>

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 22:26:31 +0530
Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:06 PM, john Culleton
> <John at wexfordpress.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:38:13 +0530
> > Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Kevin Chadwick
> >> <ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:54:38 +0530
> >> > Sitaram Chamarty wrote:
> > (something)
> >
> > I use filters to send mail to the correct folder. Recently mail
> > like this one has fallen through the cracks because the list is
> > just a cc, not either the sender or the recipient. If there is a
> 
> Sorry about that.  I'm trying to make sure I do the right thing but
> too much time on a list with "dont drop cc's" policy is a bad habit to
> break and sometimes I forget.
> _______________________________________________
> Users mailing list
> Users at lists.claws-mail.org
> http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users

Found a feature where in building or rebuilding a filter I can
say to_or_cc. That should work.


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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk  Tue Jul 31 23:29:44 2012
From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 23:29:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Users] [Bug 2557] "Total Messages" column is stuck to the
 right-most side of its panel
In-Reply-To: <bug-2557-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
References: <bug-2557-595@http.www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/>
Message-ID: <20120731212945.0126C85397@mx.colino.net>

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2557





--- Comment #13 from Chad Wallace  2012-07-31 23:29:44 ---
Would it be reasonable to make the three numeric columns be fixed-width (or
default to something small) and the Folder column dynamically sized?  It seems
like the last one is the dynamic one, and in this case that's not optimal.

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From insomniactoo at localnet.com  Tue Jul 31 23:54:22 2012
From: insomniactoo at localnet.com (insomniactoo at localnet.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:54:22 -0500
Subject: [Users] Filters,
 WAS Claws config needs much better documentation
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Message-ID: <20120731165422.1edd75fc@oogah>

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:36:32 -0400
john Culleton <John at wexfordpress.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:38:13 +0530
> Sitaram Chamarty <sitaramc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Kevin Chadwick
> > <ma1l1ists at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:54:38 +0530
> > > Sitaram Chamarty wrote:
> (something)
> 
> I use filters to send mail to the correct folder. Recently mail
> like this one has fallen through the cracks because the list is
> just a cc, not either the sender or the recipient. If there is a
> way to create a filter to send mail like Sitaram's latest to my claws-mail
> folder automatically please advise. 
> 
> My present filters will work if the list is the "to" address
> and the individual is a cc: address. 
> 

  I was having difficulty making a filter to send all the posts for something
  similar once. I then tried 'processing', and that seemed to do the trick. I
  don't know why or how it's different or worked when 'filtering' didn't, but
  all I care about is that it did/does.



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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Tue Jul 31 23:59:28 2012
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:59:28 -0400
Subject: [Users] [GoLugTech] thunderbird
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:38:14 +0200, Michael Gmelin said:
> 
> 
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:49:06 +0200
> Colin Leroy <colin at colino.net> wrote:
> 
> > On 31 July 2012 at 14h29, Steve Litt wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, 
> > 
> > > I also wanted their powerful search to be able to recurse
> > > folders, and when nobody volunteered to do it, I tried to do it
> > > myself.
> > 
> > Wait, it is recursive. Quicksearch, at least, is or can be set to
> > be.
> > 
> > Edit/Search is less powerful.
> > 
> 
> I was wondering if Claws allows searching the message body server side
> for IMAP accounts. As soon as I search the body using Edit->Search
> Folder it starts downloading all my messages to imapcache.
> 
> (I asked that a few days ago, so sorry for invading this thread, but
> it feels related - I hardly ever have to search the message body, but
> in case I do I really need to and I'm not keen to end up mirroring my
> complete imap folder locally).
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
> Michael Gmelin

Hi Michael,

I tried quicksearch e slitt at troubleshooters.com recursively on a huge
tree of old folders, and it slowly scanned every one -- took over 1/2
hour, and then still didn't get the right answer. I don't think it was
doing it server side.

Thanks

SteveT

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