From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 1 01:14:38 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 01:14:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2573] New: Text of selected line in folderlist/summary/addressbook is unreadable. Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2573 Summary: Text of selected line in folderlist/summary/addressbook is unreadable. Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: flobber at mailinator.com The text in the currently selected line of the folderlist/summary/addressbook is white on bright blue/orange/whatever (depending on gtk-theme). Unselected items are fine, black/blue/bold (depending on state) on white/grey (alternating). Btw, the treeview in the preferences windows is fine, too - it keeps the foreground color at black. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 1 01:30:12 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 01:30:12 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2573] Text of selected line in folderlist/summary/addressbook is unreadable. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120101003012.26FD72030B@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2573 --- Comment #1 from flobber 2012-01-01 01:30:11 --- I think the term "bright" is wrong, sorry. "light" or "pale" is correct. The contrast between foreground text and background is extremely low. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 1 11:47:48 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:47:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2573] Text of selected line in folderlist/summary/addressbook is unreadable. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120101104748.34BB3202E8@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2573 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID --- Comment #2 from Paul 2012-01-01 11:47:47 --- Eseentially, it's your GTK theme, but also in relation to how these various lists are built internally. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 1 15:52:43 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:52:43 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2573] Text of selected line in folderlist/summary/addressbook is unreadable. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120101145244.0089F202E8@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2573 --- Comment #3 from flobber 2012-01-01 15:52:43 --- Well, it's the Ubuntu theme (Human) so a lot of people will be affected... -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From horsley1953 at gmail.com Mon Jan 2 03:20:57 2012 From: horsley1953 at gmail.com (Tom Horsley) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:20:57 -0500 Subject: [Users] managesieve support? Message-ID: <20120101212057.6c87d287@zooty> Just curious: Has anyone ever thought about adding support in claws-mail (or via a plugin) for the managesieve protocol? From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 2 04:45:15 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 04:45:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2355] Embedding external editor through GtkSocket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120102034515.9C11520386@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2355 --- Comment #2 from David Schneider 2012-01-02 04:45:15 --- Created an attachment (id=1056) --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1056) Implementation of the GtkSocket feature Found time to code it! It didn't take very long. Feedback welcome/requested. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 2 06:54:18 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:54:18 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2574] New: Statement might be overflowing a buffer in strncat. Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2574 Summary: Statement might be overflowing a buffer in strncat. Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: major Priority: P3 Component: UI/Address Book AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: malcolmlewis at opensuse.org Created an attachment (id=1057) --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1057) claws-mail-fix-bufferoverflowstrncat.patch Hi When building claws-mail 3.8.0 on the Open Build Service (https://build.opensuse.org/) I receive the following errors and am unable to finish the building; ====================================================================== I: Statement might be overflowing a buffer in strncat. Common mistake: BAD: strncat(buffer,charptr,sizeof(buffer)) is wrong, it takes the left over size as 3rd argument GOOD: strncat(buffer,charptr,sizeof(buffer)-strlen(buffer)-1) E: claws-mail bufferoverflowstrncat addrbook.c:1849:10 E: claws-mail bufferoverflowstrncat exportldif.c:234:12 E: claws-mail bufferoverflowstrncat exportldif.c:238:13 E: claws-mail bufferoverflowstrncat exportldif.c:243:13 E: claws-mail bufferoverflowstrncat exportldif.c:250:14 ====================================================================== I have attached a patch which fixes the build issue. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From list at eworm.de Mon Jan 2 07:33:08 2012 From: list at eworm.de (Christian Hesse) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 07:33:08 +0100 Subject: [Users] managesieve support? In-Reply-To: <20120101212057.6c87d287@zooty> References: <20120101212057.6c87d287@zooty> Message-ID: <20120102073308.273eff45@leda.vpn.lugor.de> Tom Horsley on Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:20:57 -0500: > Just curious: Has anyone ever thought about adding support > in claws-mail (or via a plugin) for the managesieve protocol? I opened a feature request about that some time ago... http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2551 Other than that I have not seen any activities. Though I'm still very interested... -- Schoene Gruesse Chris From alb348 at gmail.com Mon Jan 2 08:58:13 2012 From: alb348 at gmail.com (alb348 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 08:58:13 +0100 Subject: [Users] How to change the gtk theme under Windows? Message-ID: <4F016395.6020006@gmail.com> I want to change the gtk theme for Claws Mail, and I am using Windows. My problem is that I don't know in which directory the file should be places, and how to activate it. Can anyone help me with instructions? Thanks From alb348 at gmail.com Mon Jan 2 09:23:06 2012 From: alb348 at gmail.com (alb348 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 09:23:06 +0100 Subject: [Users] Email-linked notes Message-ID: <4F01696A.2090604@gmail.com> I was very happy to find out that a note-taking solution for Claws Mail has been implemented by one the developers (http://berndth.blogspot.com/2010/02/linking-notes-and-email-messages.html). This solution allows you to link a note to an email, and the note can be stored externally. This is a very useful idea, and I believe it deserves to be developed further. However, as Holger points out, his implementation is not very end-user friendly. But that is only because it's just an early prototype. PLEASE, Holger, could you please develop this concept further, because it would be fantastic! Features my wishlist: * option to store the email-linked notes either externally (Tomboy or other programs) or internally (managed by Claws Mail, and stored in a text file in the direcory of the stored emails) * the notes should be searchable (from within Claws Mail) * option to encrypt the notes (ok, maybe I am demanding too much, I know, but this is a wishlist, so I wish...;) If you could integrate email-linked notes into the main Claws Mail program, it would be really appreciated. I hope the other users will share my opinion. Alby From andrej at kacian.sk Mon Jan 2 09:58:49 2012 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:58:49 +0100 Subject: [Users] managesieve support? In-Reply-To: <20120101212057.6c87d287@zooty> References: <20120101212057.6c87d287@zooty> Message-ID: <20120102085849.GA31217@vala> On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 09:20:57PM -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: >Just curious: Has anyone ever thought about adding support >in claws-mail (or via a plugin) for the managesieve protocol? Hello, I have been thinking about writing such plugin, since I am using sieve filtering, but it's merely on my long-term todo, so don't hold your breath.... :) -- Andrej From berndth at gmx.de Mon Jan 2 22:26:26 2012 From: berndth at gmx.de (Holger Berndt) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:26:26 +0100 Subject: [Users] Email-linked notes In-Reply-To: <4F01696A.2090604@gmail.com> References: <4F01696A.2090604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120102222626.57260e23@wodan> On Mo, 02.01.2012 09:23, alb348 at gmail.com wrote: >However, as Holger points out, his implementation is not very end-user >friendly. But that is only because it's just an early prototype. I wouldn't call it "early prototype", but rather "quick hack to scratch a personal itch". Currently, it works good enough for me as it is. >Features my wishlist: All those sound desirable, but I won't be working on it in the foreseeable future. Holger From claws-mail at bercot.org Tue Jan 3 11:57:52 2012 From: claws-mail at bercot.org (David BERCOT) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:57:52 +0100 Subject: [Users] Bug with accompanying documents Message-ID: <20120103115752.30ceb47d@debian-david> Hello, Since some versions (today, I'm with Claws-Mail 3.8.0cvs8), I have a mail with accompanying documents... If I have many documents, when I click on the first one, it is ok and I can read it. But, then, I click on the second one and... nothing happens ! I'm still viewing the first document... Does anyone have the same problem ? An a solution ? Thank you. David. From ricardo at mones.org Tue Jan 3 12:11:39 2012 From: ricardo at mones.org (Ricardo Mones) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:11:39 +0100 Subject: [Users] Bug with accompanying documents In-Reply-To: <20120103115752.30ceb47d@debian-david> References: <20120103115752.30ceb47d@debian-david> Message-ID: <20120103111139.GE25870@trasgu> Hi David, On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 11:57:52AM +0100, David BERCOT wrote: > Hello, > > Since some versions (today, I'm with Claws-Mail 3.8.0cvs8), I have a > mail with accompanying documents... I guess you mean attachments, right? > If I have many documents, when I click on the first one, it is ok and I > can read it. But, then, I click on the second one and... nothing > happens ! I'm still viewing the first document... So, are all of them text attachments? Or what kind of documents are they? regards, -- Ricardo Mones ~ Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Carl Sagan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 3 15:04:28 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:04:28 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2575] New: Claws does not cut the footer of message after separator when replying Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2575 Summary: Claws does not cut the footer of message after separator when replying Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: minor Priority: P3 Component: Other AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: jaglover at gmail.com Claws does not cut the footer of message after separator when replying. Most of times it does not cut it, but sometimes it does. Would it be possible to improve this feature so it cuts always? -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From claws-mail at bercot.org Tue Jan 3 16:21:30 2012 From: claws-mail at bercot.org (David BERCOT) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:21:30 +0100 Subject: [Users] Bug with accompanying documents In-Reply-To: <20120103111139.GE25870@trasgu> References: <20120103115752.30ceb47d@debian-david> <20120103111139.GE25870@trasgu> Message-ID: <20120103162130.163730a6@debian-david> > Hi David, > >On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 11:57:52AM +0100, David BERCOT wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Since some versions (today, I'm with Claws-Mail 3.8.0cvs8), I have a >> mail with accompanying documents... > > I guess you mean attachments, right? Yes, sorry for my bad English ;-) >> If I have many documents, when I click on the first one, it is ok >> and I can read it. But, then, I click on the second one and... >> nothing happens ! I'm still viewing the first document... > > So, are all of them text attachments? Or what kind of documents are > they? html pages... But it seems to be the same with text documents and others... David. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 3 18:11:36 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:11:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2566] wrapped Subject not bounded -- spills into previous message & From column In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120103171136.41EBB20171@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2566 --- Comment #2 from users 2012-01-03 18:11:35 --- Changes related to this bug have been committed. Please check latest CVS and update the bug accordingly. You can also get the patch from: http://www.colino.net/claws-mail/ 2012-01-03 [colin] 3.8.0cvs9 * src/gtk/gtkcmctree.c Fix bug #2566, 'wrapped Subject not bounded' -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Tue Jan 3 18:44:33 2012 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:44:33 +0000 Subject: [Users] Bug with accompanying documents In-Reply-To: <20120103115752.30ceb47d@debian-david> References: <20120103115752.30ceb47d@debian-david> Message-ID: <20120103174433.635b7785@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:57:52 +0100 David BERCOT wrote: > If I have many documents, when I click on the first one, it is ok and I > can read it. But, then, I click on the second one and... nothing > happens ! I'm still viewing the first document... Well cvs8 introduced the ability to forward individual attachments instead of all attachments. This change may have had unwanted side effects. -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From claws-mail at bercot.org Tue Jan 3 19:28:17 2012 From: claws-mail at bercot.org (David BERCOT) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:28:17 +0100 Subject: [Users] Bug with accompanying documents In-Reply-To: <20120103174433.635b7785@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20120103115752.30ceb47d@debian-david> <20120103174433.635b7785@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20120103192817.0c369081@debian-david> Le Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:44:33 +0000, Brian Morrison a écrit : >On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:57:52 +0100 >David BERCOT wrote: > >> If I have many documents, when I click on the first one, it is ok >> and I can read it. But, then, I click on the second one and... >> nothing happens ! I'm still viewing the first document... > >Well cvs8 introduced the ability to forward individual attachments >instead of all attachments. > >This change may have had unwanted side effects. In fact, I have this problem since a few weeks, so, before this last version... I really don't understand... Before, everything was OK ! No one else has this problem ??? David. From info at troyvit.com Tue Jan 3 19:34:50 2012 From: info at troyvit.com (Troy Vitullo) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:34:50 -0700 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2355] Embedding external editor through GtkSocket In-Reply-To: <20120102034515.9C11520386@paperstreet.colino.net> References: <20120102034515.9C11520386@paperstreet.colino.net> Message-ID: <20120103113450.32269a97@hrafn> On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 04:45:15 +0100 (CET) noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2355 > > > > > > --- Comment #2 from David Schneider 2012-01-02 04:45:15 --- > Created an attachment (id=1056) > --> > (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1056) > Implementation of the GtkSocket feature > > Found time to code it! It didn't take very long. > Feedback welcome/requested. This is simply awesome. I hope it gets accepted. Troy From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 3 20:00:51 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:00:51 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2575] Claws does not cut the footer of message after separator when replying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120103190051.E273F20171@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2575 --- Comment #1 from Paul 2012-01-03 20:00:51 --- I suppose those messages where it doesn't work are not using the standard signature separator, '-- \n'? -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 3 20:09:55 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:09:55 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2575] Claws does not cut the footer of message after separator when replying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120103190955.83D3E20171@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2575 Saul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID --- Comment #2 from Saul 2012-01-03 20:09:55 --- Whoops, my bad. I was thinking plain '--' will do. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 4 02:13:24 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 02:13:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2566] wrapped Subject not bounded -- spills into previous message & From column In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120104011324.36A0A20171@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2566 --- Comment #3 from Pierre Fortin 2012-01-04 02:13:23 --- Really hating to report this isn't fixed... -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 4 02:16:02 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 02:16:02 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2566] wrapped Subject not bounded -- spills into previous message & From column In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120104011602.C146A20386@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2566 --- Comment #4 from Pierre Fortin 2012-01-04 02:16:02 --- Created an attachment (id=1058) --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1058) Various screen shots Posting GIMP xcf since jpg and others alter the visual to make it quite different. Let me know if there's another format that would work... -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From pf at pfortin.com Wed Jan 4 02:37:38 2012 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:37:38 -0500 Subject: [Users] Threading bug? Message-ID: <20120103203738.632a9233@pfortin.com> Hi, Is this a bug, or me misunderstanding threading...? All messages in Inbox and happen to have identical subjects: >Subject: Re: test A reply sent several days ago from web interface and Bcc'd back to me as: >Message-Id: <201112292214.pBTMEwIE004720 at rs103.luxsci.com> >From: "Pierre Fortin" >Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:14:58 +0000 Today, a couple of messages were received as a result of a totally different test message a few minutes earlier: >Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:07:34 -0500 >Importance: Normal >In-Reply-To: <20120103154734.4833c7fb at pfortin.com> >References: <20120103154734.4833c7fb at pfortin.com> >Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:07:34 -0500 >Importance: Normal >In-Reply-To: <20120103154734.4833c7fb at pfortin.com> >References: <20120103154734.4833c7fb at pfortin.com> These 2 replies are threaded under the above message. Shouldn't threading be prevented if References are different? Pierre From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 4 08:07:57 2012 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:07:57 +0000 Subject: [Users] Threading bug? In-Reply-To: <20120103203738.632a9233@pfortin.com> References: <20120103203738.632a9233@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20120104070757.1cd84f97@thewildbeast> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:37:38 -0500 Pierre Fortin wrote: > These 2 replies are threaded under the above message. > > Shouldn't threading be prevented if References are different? No, not if you have the option 'Thread using Subject' switched on. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From littlergirl at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 08:20:01 2012 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 02:20:01 -0500 Subject: [Users] Bug with accompanying documents In-Reply-To: <20120103192817.0c369081@debian-david> References: <20120103115752.30ceb47d@debian-david> <20120103174433.635b7785@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120103192817.0c369081@debian-david> Message-ID: <4f03fda1.0e6fe00a.3c4b.ffffb6bd@mx.google.com> Hey there, David BERCOT wrote: > Le Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:44:33 +0000, > Brian Morrison a écrit : > >On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:57:52 +0100 > >David BERCOT wrote: > > > >> If I have many documents, when I click on the first one, it is ok > >> and I can read it. But, then, I click on the second one and... > >> nothing happens ! I'm still viewing the first document... > > > >Well cvs8 introduced the ability to forward individual attachments > >instead of all attachments. > > > >This change may have had unwanted side effects. > > In fact, I have this problem since a few weeks, so, before this last > version... > I really don't understand... Before, everything was OK ! > > No one else has this problem ??? I'm not having this problem with Claws Mail 3.8.0 from the Kubuntu repositories. Woohoo, I love having happy news to report! (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From nicolas.claws at iselin.ch Wed Jan 4 08:49:43 2012 From: nicolas.claws at iselin.ch (Nicolas Iselin) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 08:49:43 +0100 Subject: [Users] Cannot open attachment in sent mail Message-ID: <20120104084943.295eb71e@omega> Hi, I am quite new to Claws Mail and maybe I am missing something obvious. I have some Mails in my "sent" Folder where I have added attachments. I would like now to open the attachment when viewing the sent mail. But a right-click on the Attachment (in the Attachment Tab) offers only "add", "remove" and "properties". Using copy&paste of the path and going to the command line, I manage to open the attachment. But there should be a simpler way, similar to a received email. What am I missing? Regards Nicolas PS: I am using Claws Mail 3.7.4 From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Wed Jan 4 10:20:11 2012 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:20:11 +0000 Subject: [Users] Cannot open attachment in sent mail In-Reply-To: <20120104084943.295eb71e@omega> References: <20120104084943.295eb71e@omega> Message-ID: <20120104092011.0c652420@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 08:49:43 +0100 Nicolas Iselin wrote: > > Hi, > > I am quite new to Claws Mail and maybe I am missing something obvious. > I have some Mails in my "sent" Folder where I have added attachments. > > I would like now to open the attachment when viewing the sent mail. But > a right-click on the Attachment (in the Attachment Tab) offers only > "add", "remove" and "properties". Using copy&paste of the path and > going to the command line, I manage to open the attachment. > > But there should be a simpler way, similar to a received email. What am > I missing? I have normal attachment icons for the messages in my sent folder that have attachments, but then the only place I have an attachment tab is in a compose window, not in a message in the sent folder. Claws only actually encodes and adds the attachment when you either send or save to drafts, so you can't see the attachment until this point has been passed. If I have misunderstood what you're saying please ask again. -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 4 10:54:25 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:54:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2566] wrapped Subject not bounded -- spills into previous message & From column In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120104095425.26DD420136@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2566 --- Comment #5 from Andrej Kacian 2012-01-04 10:54:24 --- Just chiming in to say that PNG or GIF are what you're looking for when you want lossless image format. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From abrolag at users.sourceforge.net Wed Jan 4 11:36:38 2012 From: abrolag at users.sourceforge.net (Abrolag) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:36:38 +0000 Subject: [Users] Moving files Message-ID: <20120104103638.0a9bdfbb@office> I want to move my entire Claws setup to a different machine with a different username but retaining all the email history etc. In other words move from /home/foo to /home/bar I suspect that some entries in the various Claws files will be using full length names like /home/foo/{somefile} Is there a simple way to find and change these? -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From rcook at pcug.org.au Wed Jan 4 12:01:42 2012 From: rcook at pcug.org.au (Owen) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:01:42 +1100 Subject: [Users] Moving files In-Reply-To: <20120104103638.0a9bdfbb@office> References: <20120104103638.0a9bdfbb@office> Message-ID: <1e1157215c4dcae15b2880ad081538d3.squirrel@members.tip.net.au> > I want to move my entire Claws setup to a different machine with a > different > username but retaining all the email history etc. > > In other words move from /home/foo to /home/bar > > I suspect that some entries in the various Claws files will be using > full length > names like /home/foo/{somefile} > > Is there a simple way to find and change these? > My guess is that there are no long file names, and therefore the simplest solution would be to; 1. Copy over /home/foo/.claws-mail/ to /home/bar/.claws-mail 2. Copy over /home/foo/Mail to /home/bar/Mail 3. Change any username specific entries in your new configuration (these entries are normally related to your isp account and probably don't need changing) 4. depending on how you do the copy, you may have change ownership of the transferred files. If that doesn't work, just remove the .claws-mail and Mail directories and look for a better answer -- Owen From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Wed Jan 4 14:40:49 2012 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 06:40:49 -0700 Subject: [Users] Moving files In-Reply-To: <1e1157215c4dcae15b2880ad081538d3.squirrel@members.tip.net.au> References: <20120104103638.0a9bdfbb@office> <1e1157215c4dcae15b2880ad081538d3.squirrel@members.tip.net.au> Message-ID: <20120104064049.003f73f7@yendi> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:01:42 +1100 "Owen" wrote: > My guess is that there are no long file names, Not so. To find out which files need changing and where, something like: find -type f | xargs grep '/home/foo' | grep -v '.bak' > and therefore the > simplest solution would be to; > > > > 1. Copy over /home/foo/.claws-mail/ to /home/bar/.claws-mail > 2. Copy over /home/foo/Mail to /home/bar/Mail > 3. Change any username specific entries in your new configuration > (these entries are normally related to your isp account and probably > don't need changing) > 4. depending on how you do the copy, you may have change ownership of > the transferred files. 5. Run the above and variants on it and edit as needed. You could also work something out with sed to save the editing. -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB From pf at pfortin.com Wed Jan 4 15:20:41 2012 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:20:41 -0500 Subject: [Users] Threading bug? In-Reply-To: <20120104070757.1cd84f97@thewildbeast> References: <20120103203738.632a9233@pfortin.com> <20120104070757.1cd84f97@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20120104092041.1f9f4e81@pfortin.com> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:07:57 +0000 Paul wrote: >On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:37:38 -0500 >Pierre Fortin wrote: > >> These 2 replies are threaded under the above message. >> >> Shouldn't threading be prevented if References are different? > >No, not if you have the option 'Thread using Subject' switched on. Yup... it was set in both instances (multiple accounts spread over 2 CM). Is this the default? Sorry for forgetting to check clawsrc first... >with regards > >Paul Cheers, Pierre From claws-mail at bercot.org Wed Jan 4 17:28:14 2012 From: claws-mail at bercot.org (David BERCOT) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:28:14 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws-Mail & Gnome 3 Message-ID: <20120104172814.78495d49@debian-david> Hello, I have another problem with Claws-Mail ;-) I am on Debian with Gnome 3. When Claws-Mail is launched (at the computer's startup) or after been reduced, I only have a little window... If I maximized this window, all the panels have a wrong size, different from the normal one. Is it possible to save the panel sizes ? Is it a Gnome 3 problem instead of a Claws-Mail one ? Thank you. David. From richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Jan 4 17:39:43 2012 From: richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk (richard) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:39:43 -0500 Subject: [Users] Claws-Mail & Gnome 3 In-Reply-To: <20120104172814.78495d49@debian-david> References: <20120104172814.78495d49@debian-david> Message-ID: <20120104113943.3adb9b03@lappy.g8jvm.com> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:28:14 +0100 David BERCOT wrote: > Hello, > > I have another problem with Claws-Mail ;-) > I am on Debian with Gnome 3. When Claws-Mail is launched (at the > computer's startup) or after been reduced, I only have a little > window... If I maximized this window, all the panels have a wrong > size, different from the normal one. > Is it possible to save the panel sizes ? > Is it a Gnome 3 problem instead of a Claws-Mail one ? > > Thank you. > > David. > Strange I have both 3.7.10 and 3.8 running on G3 without a hitch, try gabbing claws 3.8 its in SID. HTH Richard From ciamarie at my180.net Wed Jan 4 17:54:08 2012 From: ciamarie at my180.net (Cia Watson) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 08:54:08 -0800 Subject: [Users] Moving files In-Reply-To: <20120104103638.0a9bdfbb@office> References: <20120104103638.0a9bdfbb@office> Message-ID: <20120104085408.55ce85d2@amd3c.amd3c.cia> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:36:38 +0000 Abrolag wrote: > I want to move my entire Claws setup to a different machine with a different > username but retaining all the email history etc. > > In other words move from /home/foo to /home/bar > > I suspect that some entries in the various Claws files will be using full > length names like /home/foo/{somefile} > > Is there a simple way to find and change these? I have moved to a different partition (i.e. debian stable to debian testing) and what worked for me was to start claws once in the new /home, and give it the setup information for 1 account, and it will then create a Mail and a .claws-mail folder, and then I copy over the same folders from the previous partition (which I've already mounted). I then let it over-write any files it wants in the destination folder(s). hth. Cia W. From ciamarie at my180.net Wed Jan 4 18:07:38 2012 From: ciamarie at my180.net (Cia Watson) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:07:38 -0800 Subject: [Users] Moving files In-Reply-To: <20120104103638.0a9bdfbb@office> References: <20120104103638.0a9bdfbb@office> Message-ID: <20120104090738.538fdbfe@amd3c.amd3c.cia> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:36:38 +0000 Abrolag wrote: > I want to move my entire Claws setup to a different machine with a different > username but retaining all the email history etc. > > In other words move from /home/foo to /home/bar > > I suspect that some entries in the various Claws files will be using full > length names like /home/foo/{somefile} > > Is there a simple way to find and change these? > Sorry, about the reply I just sent, I noticed that you said it has a different user name and in my case I've used the same user name. I just looked at my ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc file and saw an instance of an attached file that referenced a location in /home/name/Documents/... Plus in the accountrc file it has /home/name/.signature for the mail accounts. In addition, it looks like the folderlist.xml file has the pointer to the #mh /Mail location. I think I need another cup of tea. Cia W. From mir at miras.org Wed Jan 4 18:23:54 2012 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:23:54 +0100 Subject: [Users] Moving files In-Reply-To: <20120104103638.0a9bdfbb@office> References: <20120104103638.0a9bdfbb@office> Message-ID: <20120104182354.2bf52bb4@sleipner.datanom.net> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:36:38 +0000 Abrolag wrote: > > Is there a simple way to find and change these? > I assume we are talking on Linux? I have no experience on Windows what so ever. 1) Logon to your old computer 2) Shutdown claws-mail, if it is running: File->exit VERY, VERY IMPORTANT!! 3) tar czf claw_folder.tar.gz ~/.claws-mail 4) scp claw_folder.tar.gz : 5) Logon to your new computer 6) Shutdown claws-mail, if it is running: File->exit VERY, VERY IMPORTANT!! 7) tar xzf claw_folder.tar.gz . (Theoretically owner of files should be changed to the user used on this new computer) 8) For certainty: sudo chown -R : .claws-mail 9) Start claws-mail on the new computer -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From claws-mail at bercot.org Wed Jan 4 18:41:26 2012 From: claws-mail at bercot.org (David BERCOT) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:41:26 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws-Mail & Gnome 3 In-Reply-To: <20120104113943.3adb9b03@lappy.g8jvm.com> References: <20120104172814.78495d49@debian-david> <20120104113943.3adb9b03@lappy.g8jvm.com> Message-ID: <20120104184126.291e763e@debian-david> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:39:43 -0500 richard wrote: >On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:28:14 +0100 >David BERCOT wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I have another problem with Claws-Mail ;-) >> I am on Debian with Gnome 3. When Claws-Mail is launched (at the >> computer's startup) or after been reduced, I only have a little >> window... If I maximized this window, all the panels have a wrong >> size, different from the normal one. >> Is it possible to save the panel sizes ? >> Is it a Gnome 3 problem instead of a Claws-Mail one ? >> >> Thank you. >> >> David. >> >Strange I have both 3.7.10 and 3.8 running on G3 without a hitch, try >gabbing claws 3.8 its in SID. >HTH >Richard I've just tried and... same result. Is there a "standard" size for the folder panel ? It always goes back to a smaller size... David. From littlergirl at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 19:53:30 2012 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:53:30 -0500 Subject: [Users] Moving files In-Reply-To: <20120104064049.003f73f7@yendi> References: <20120104103638.0a9bdfbb@office> <1e1157215c4dcae15b2880ad081538d3.squirrel@members.tip.net.au> <20120104064049.003f73f7@yendi> Message-ID: <4f04a02c.42c8e00a.05f5.2034@mx.google.com> Hey there, Charles Curley wrote: > Owen wrote: > > > My guess is that there are no long file names, > > Not so. > > To find out which files need changing and where, something like: > > find -type f | xargs grep '/home/foo' | grep -v '.bak' > > > and therefore the > > simplest solution would be to; > > > > 1. Copy over /home/foo/.claws-mail/ to /home/bar/.claws-mail > > 2. Copy over /home/foo/Mail to /home/bar/Mail > > 3. Change any username specific entries in your new configuration > > (these entries are normally related to your isp account and > > probably don't need changing) > > 4. depending on how you do the copy, you may have change > > ownership of the transferred files. > > 5. Run the above and variants on it and edit as needed. > > You could also work something out with sed to save the editing. I'll jump in with these from my trusty arsenal: FIND THEM: grep -r foo * CHANGE THEM ONE BY ONE: sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' /PATH/TO/FILE -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From mir at miras.org Wed Jan 4 19:57:45 2012 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:57:45 +0100 Subject: [Users] Moving files In-Reply-To: <4f04a02c.42c8e00a.05f5.2034@mx.google.com> References: <20120104103638.0a9bdfbb@office> <1e1157215c4dcae15b2880ad081538d3.squirrel@members.tip.net.au> <20120104064049.003f73f7@yendi> <4f04a02c.42c8e00a.05f5.2034@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20120104195745.6b3ffa8a@sleipner.datanom.net> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:53:30 -0500 Little Girl wrote: > > sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' /PATH/TO/FILE You are all certain that "different username" does not simply mean that the username on the new computer is different from username on the old computer preserving all settings for external accounts? If the above is true then my solution given elsewhere is sufficient. -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 4 20:20:29 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:20:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2576] New: Claws mail does not report when failing to load a module Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2576 Summary: Claws mail does not report when failing to load a module Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.7.9 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: major Priority: P3 Component: Plugins AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: arnaudv6 at free.fr First, thanks for the awesome soft... Thing is for various reasons, several plugins stopped working recently (fancy, attachWarner...) which always is a threat, due to Webkit/C-M API changes or so. Still, I feel stuffed when the system doesn't alarm me so : "Hey, Arnaud, could not load following modules we usually do : xxx, xxx" Then such missing functionality as attachWarner would not be silently ignored. Keep on the good work, best regards Arnaudv6 -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 4 21:01:10 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:01:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2576] Claws mail does not report when failing to load a module In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120104200110.7A7A72048A@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2576 --- Comment #1 from Paul 2012-01-04 21:01:10 --- Created an attachment (id=1059) --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1059) plugins warning dialogue -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 4 21:02:03 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:02:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2576] Claws mail does not report when failing to load a module In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120104200203.E0C7D20136@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2576 --- Comment #2 from Paul 2012-01-04 21:02:03 --- you don't see the dialogue? (screen shot attached) -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From claws-mail at bercot.org Wed Jan 4 21:14:32 2012 From: claws-mail at bercot.org (David BERCOT) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:14:32 +0100 Subject: [Users] [OK !] Re: Claws-Mail & Gnome 3 In-Reply-To: <20120104184126.291e763e@debian-david> References: <20120104172814.78495d49@debian-david> <20120104113943.3adb9b03@lappy.g8jvm.com> <20120104184126.291e763e@debian-david> Message-ID: <20120104211432.37260f91@debian-david> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:41:26 +0100 David BERCOT wrote: >On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:39:43 -0500 >richard wrote: >>On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:28:14 +0100 >>David BERCOT wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have another problem with Claws-Mail ;-) >>> I am on Debian with Gnome 3. When Claws-Mail is launched (at the >>> computer's startup) or after been reduced, I only have a little >>> window... If I maximized this window, all the panels have a wrong >>> size, different from the normal one. >>> Is it possible to save the panel sizes ? >>> Is it a Gnome 3 problem instead of a Claws-Mail one ? >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> David. >>> >>Strange I have both 3.7.10 and 3.8 running on G3 without a hitch, try >>gabbing claws 3.8 its in SID. >>HTH >>Richard > >I've just tried and... same result. >Is there a "standard" size for the folder panel ? It always goes back >to a smaller size... > >David. Hello again, I've done other tests with the different layouts and, finally, I was back to the "classic" layout. Then, I've modified it and everything is now OK !!! I've closed Claws-Mail, reduced it, etc..., and my layout is saved !!! Sorry for this noise. David. From richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Jan 4 21:31:56 2012 From: richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk (richard) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:31:56 -0500 Subject: [Users] Claws-Mail & Gnome 3 In-Reply-To: <20120104184126.291e763e@debian-david> References: <20120104172814.78495d49@debian-david> <20120104113943.3adb9b03@lappy.g8jvm.com> <20120104184126.291e763e@debian-david> Message-ID: <20120104153156.746d10f6@lappy.g8jvm.com> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:41:26 +0100 David BERCOT wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:39:43 -0500 > richard wrote: > >On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:28:14 +0100 > >David BERCOT wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> I have another problem with Claws-Mail ;-) > >> I am on Debian with Gnome 3. When Claws-Mail is launched (at the > >> computer's startup) or after been reduced, I only have a little > >> window... If I maximized this window, all the panels have a wrong > >> size, different from the normal one. > >> Is it possible to save the panel sizes ? > >> Is it a Gnome 3 problem instead of a Claws-Mail one ? > >> > >> Thank you. > >> > >> David. > >> > >Strange I have both 3.7.10 and 3.8 running on G3 without a hitch, try > >gabbing claws 3.8 its in SID. > >HTH > >Richard > > I've just tried and... same result. > Is there a "standard" size for the folder panel ? It always goes back > to a smaller size... > > David. I just user the standard layout , which puts the folder pane about 3 1/2 " wide. Are you using a Radeon card ??, that did weird things with box sizes. I replaced on the main machine with a nvidia card for that reason. There is something strange with gnome3 on debian at the moment with radeon drivers. Are you in fallback mode or normal ? HTH Richard From abrolag at users.sourceforge.net Wed Jan 4 21:49:15 2012 From: abrolag at users.sourceforge.net (Abrolag) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:49:15 +0000 Subject: [Users] Moving files In-Reply-To: <20120104195745.6b3ffa8a@sleipner.datanom.net> References: <20120104103638.0a9bdfbb@office> <1e1157215c4dcae15b2880ad081538d3.squirrel@members.tip.net.au> <20120104064049.003f73f7@yendi> <4f04a02c.42c8e00a.05f5.2034@mx.google.com> <20120104195745.6b3ffa8a@sleipner.datanom.net> Message-ID: <20120104204915.197f7d4d@office> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:57:45 +0100 Michael Rasmussen wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:53:30 -0500 > Little Girl wrote: > > > > > sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' /PATH/TO/FILE > You are all certain that "different username" does not simply mean that > the username on the new computer is different from username on the old > computer preserving all settings for external accounts? > > If the above is true then my solution given elsewhere is sufficient. Thanks everyone for your comments. I count 35 entries in .claws-mail :( -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. From littlergirl at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 22:16:53 2012 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:16:53 -0500 Subject: [Users] Moving files In-Reply-To: <20120104195745.6b3ffa8a@sleipner.datanom.net> References: <20120104103638.0a9bdfbb@office> <1e1157215c4dcae15b2880ad081538d3.squirrel@members.tip.net.au> <20120104064049.003f73f7@yendi> <4f04a02c.42c8e00a.05f5.2034@mx.google.com> <20120104195745.6b3ffa8a@sleipner.datanom.net> Message-ID: <4f04c1c6.8546e00a.7dd9.3037@mx.google.com> Hey there, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > Little Girl wrote: > > > sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' /PATH/TO/FILE > You are all certain that "different username" does not simply mean > that the username on the new computer is different from username on > the old computer preserving all settings for external accounts? > If the above is true then my solution given elsewhere is sufficient. You're right. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From claws-mail at bercot.org Wed Jan 4 22:41:13 2012 From: claws-mail at bercot.org (David BERCOT) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:41:13 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws-Mail & Gnome 3 In-Reply-To: <20120104153156.746d10f6@lappy.g8jvm.com> References: <20120104172814.78495d49@debian-david> <20120104113943.3adb9b03@lappy.g8jvm.com> <20120104184126.291e763e@debian-david> <20120104153156.746d10f6@lappy.g8jvm.com> Message-ID: <20120104224113.65e826f3@debian-david> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I have another problem with Claws-Mail ;-) >> >> I am on Debian with Gnome 3. When Claws-Mail is launched (at the >> >> computer's startup) or after been reduced, I only have a little >> >> window... If I maximized this window, all the panels have a wrong >> >> size, different from the normal one. >> >> Is it possible to save the panel sizes ? >> >> Is it a Gnome 3 problem instead of a Claws-Mail one ? >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> David. >> >> >> >Strange I have both 3.7.10 and 3.8 running on G3 without a hitch, >> >try gabbing claws 3.8 its in SID. >> >HTH >> >Richard >> >> I've just tried and... same result. >> Is there a "standard" size for the folder panel ? It always goes back >> to a smaller size... >> >> David. > >I just user the standard layout , which puts the folder pane about 3 >1/2 " wide. >Are you using a Radeon card ??, that did weird things with box sizes. >I replaced on the main machine with a nvidia card for that reason. >There is something strange with gnome3 on debian at the moment with >radeon drivers. > >Are you in fallback mode or normal ? > >HTH > >Richard I use only the Intel chipset (Radeon is disabled with vgaswitcheroo). I'm in the normal mode... David. From joydeep at infoservices.in Thu Jan 5 05:57:59 2012 From: joydeep at infoservices.in (J. Bakshi (জ বকসী)) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:27:59 +0530 Subject: [Users] claws-mail 3.8.0... the frozen issue still there !!! Message-ID: <20120105102759.33e9e488@shiva.selfip.org> Dear list, I am with CM 3.8.0 but a very old issue i.e. client frozen and grayed during huge mail download is still exist :-( From nicolas.claws at iselin.ch Thu Jan 5 09:04:38 2012 From: nicolas.claws at iselin.ch (Nicolas Iselin) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:04:38 +0100 Subject: [Users] Cannot open attachment in sent mail In-Reply-To: <20120104092011.0c652420@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20120104084943.295eb71e@omega> <20120104092011.0c652420@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20120105090438.0fc47283@omega> Hi Brian, Thanks for your feedback. [...] > > > > I would like now to open the attachment when viewing the sent mail. > > But a right-click on the Attachment (in the Attachment Tab) offers > > only "add", "remove" and "properties". Using copy&paste of the path > > and going to the command line, I manage to open the attachment. > > [...] > I have normal attachment icons for the messages in my sent folder that > have attachments, but then the only place I have an attachment tab is > in a compose window, not in a message in the sent folder. > > Claws only actually encodes and adds the attachment when you either > send or save to drafts, so you can't see the attachment until this > point has been passed. [...] This description does not match what I see: I just made a test by sending a mail to myself. Whenever I open the mail in the "sent" folder, claws opens a "compose window" (with the problem described above). When I open the received copy in the Inbox, everything is the way I expect it. I suspected that the problem could be related to my migration from Kmail. I checked the actual representation on disk of the mails and found that new mails (created with claws) have additional special headers (which are terminated with "X-Claws-End-Special-Headers: 1") However, the behaviour is identical with old mails migrated (that don't have the claws special headers): They always open up in a "compose window". I did now the following test: md5sum sent/2300 3939faf00495be98b4ee231f5b618e90 sent/2300 -> move the mail in the claws GUI to trash md5sum trash/39 3939faf00495be98b4ee231f5b618e90 trash/39 -> open mail from trash folder with doubleclick: It opens in a "view window" and I can open the attachment as normal. ==> So the decision whether to open a "compose" or "view" window upon a doubleclick is not dependent of the representation on disk, but the folder (name or type or ...). I found out that I can open a "view" window by right click-> "View" -> "View in new Window" (Ctrl-Alt-N) (sorry, use a German GUI, maybe my backtranslation is not correct ;-) Is the doublick-behaviour configurable? Regards and thanks for your patience. Nicolas Iselin From sotirakis at laposte.net Thu Jan 5 09:21:28 2012 From: sotirakis at laposte.net (sotirakis at laposte.net) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:21:28 +0100 Subject: [Users] no Claws icon in Gnome 3 notification area Message-ID: <20120105092128.54b47c80@manu-laptop> Hi all, I am currently trying Gnome 3, installed on a LinuxMint 12 OS. Even though the notification icon is activated in Claws, there is no icon appearing in the systray. Did I miss something somewhere? thanks for your help! From joydeep at infoservices.in Thu Jan 5 10:22:07 2012 From: joydeep at infoservices.in (J. Bakshi (জ বকসী)) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:52:07 +0530 Subject: [Users] How can I add calender ? Message-ID: <20120105145207.43b15757@shiva.selfip.org> Hello, I have already installed vcalender plugins. I like to add my zibra as well as google calender in CM. How can I add those calenders ? At the left pane of CM vcalender folder has appeared but I can't understand how to add calenders ? Thanks From claws-mail at bercot.org Thu Jan 5 10:31:01 2012 From: claws-mail at bercot.org (David BERCOT) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:31:01 +0100 Subject: [Users] no Claws icon in Gnome 3 notification area In-Reply-To: <20120105092128.54b47c80@manu-laptop> References: <20120105092128.54b47c80@manu-laptop> Message-ID: <20120105103101.6c79018d@debian-david> On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:21:28 +0100 sotirakis at laposte.net wrote: >Hi all, > >I am currently trying Gnome 3, installed on a LinuxMint 12 OS. >Even though the notification icon is activated in Claws, there is no >icon appearing in the systray. > >Did I miss something somewhere? > >thanks for your help! Hello, I use Gnome 3 too and I have no problem with the notification icon. Did you change something in your configuration between Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 ? David. From sotirakis at laposte.net Thu Jan 5 10:44:53 2012 From: sotirakis at laposte.net (sotirakis at laposte.net) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:44:53 +0100 Subject: [Users] no Claws icon in Gnome 3 notification area In-Reply-To: <20120105103101.6c79018d@debian-david> References: <20120105092128.54b47c80@manu-laptop> <20120105103101.6c79018d@debian-david> Message-ID: <20120105104453.4aef85c7@manu-laptop> Hi, Thanks for your reply, Nope, I just moved today on Gnome 3, on a fresh install. I installed LinuxMint 12 Gnome. This OS has a weired arrangement, with a mix of both Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 elements. In this session, I do have a claws icon in the notification area. I fully installed unity, allowing me to open a Ubuntu-like session, with gnome-session --version giving me: gnome-session 3.2.1. In this Ubuntu-like session, Claws does not appear in the systray. thanks for your help! Le Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:31:01 +0100, David BERCOT a écrit : > On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:21:28 +0100 > sotirakis at laposte.net wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >I am currently trying Gnome 3, installed on a LinuxMint 12 OS. > >Even though the notification icon is activated in Claws, there is no > >icon appearing in the systray. > > > >Did I miss something somewhere? > > > >thanks for your help! > > Hello, > > I use Gnome 3 too and I have no problem with the notification icon. > Did you change something in your configuration between Gnome 2 and > Gnome 3 ? > > David. > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Thu Jan 5 11:16:40 2012 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:16:40 +0000 Subject: [Users] Cannot open attachment in sent mail In-Reply-To: <20120105090438.0fc47283@omega> References: <20120104084943.295eb71e@omega> <20120104092011.0c652420@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120105090438.0fc47283@omega> Message-ID: <20120105101640.04915d65@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:04:38 +0100 Nicolas Iselin wrote: > This description does not match what I see: I just made a test by > sending a mail to myself. Whenever I open the mail in the "sent" > folder, claws opens a "compose window" (with the problem described > above). When I open the received copy in the Inbox, everything is the > way I expect it. Ah, I see, I get the same thing if I read the mail by opening it in a separate window by double-clicking. However the mail showing in the message window pane of the main CM window has the MIME part icons showing and I can select these and open the attachments from there even in a sent folder. I suspect that the reason for this is that the sent folder is a special folder and behaves a little differently for that reason. -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From taroth at suse.de Thu Jan 5 13:45:57 2012 From: taroth at suse.de (Tanja Roth) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:45:57 +0100 Subject: [Users] Reply-to-mailing-list not working as expected Message-ID: <20120105134557.777f9bd6@suse.de> Hi there, I use Claws Mail with openSUSE 12.1 and XFCE. Recently, I found that there is a "reply to mailing-list" function (and I added it to my toolbars) but it does not work as expected. For example, when I want to reply to a message that was posted on a mailing list (and contains a CC to my mail address), "reply to mailing-list" fills in the sender's mail address as recipient (and *not* the ML). Did I miss any point or is it a bug? Thanks (and happy new year to everyone), Cheers, Tanja From taroth at suse.de Thu Jan 5 14:47:54 2012 From: taroth at suse.de (Tanja Roth) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:47:54 +0100 Subject: [Users] Spell Checking Question Message-ID: <20120105144754.4bad4560@suse.de> Hi again, one more question for today: I would like to use an alternate spell checker (since I regularly write in two different languages), but I can only choose between several variants of English in the spell checker preferences (en, en_CA, en_GB, and en_US). What do I need to do to make Claws show different languages as spell checking options? Where does Claws take this information from? I recently installed both the claws-mail-lang and the claws-mail-extra-plugins-lang package for openSUSE but that didn't do the trick. I use English as (primary) system language in my openSUSE installation, but I have other languages installed as secondary languages (but that also does not help with the alternate spell checkers...) ;). Thanks for any hints, Cheers Tanja From subscript at free.fr Thu Jan 5 14:54:35 2012 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:54:35 +0100 Subject: [Users] Spell Checking Question In-Reply-To: <20120105144754.4bad4560@suse.de> References: <20120105144754.4bad4560@suse.de> Message-ID: <20120105145435.46341ed9@monolith> Hello Tanja, On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:47:54 +0100 Tanja Roth wrote: > Hi again, > > one more question for today: I would like to use an alternate spell > checker (since I regularly write in two different languages), but > I can only choose between several variants of English in the spell > checker preferences (en, en_CA, en_GB, and en_US). > > What do I need to do to make Claws show different languages as > spell checking options? Where does Claws take this information from? > > I recently installed both the claws-mail-lang and the > claws-mail-extra-plugins-lang package for openSUSE but that didn't do > the trick. > > I use English as (primary) system language in my openSUSE installation, > but I have other languages installed as secondary languages (but > that also does not help with the alternate spell checkers...) ;). Claws Mail relies on spell dictionaries installed system-wide. Here on a CentOS, I have installed: hunspell-en, hunspell-fr, etc. Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mailinglists at gusnan.se Thu Jan 5 14:56:40 2012 From: mailinglists at gusnan.se (Andreas =?UTF-8?B?UsO2bm5xdWlzdA==?=) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:56:40 +0100 Subject: [Users] Spell Checking Question In-Reply-To: <20120105144754.4bad4560@suse.de> References: <20120105144754.4bad4560@suse.de> Message-ID: <20120105145640.16770ae4@debian.localdomain> On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:47:54 +0100 Tanja Roth wrote: > Hi again, > > one more question for today: I would like to use an alternate spell > checker (since I regularly write in two different languages), but > I can only choose between several variants of English in the spell > checker preferences (en, en_CA, en_GB, and en_US). > > What do I need to do to make Claws show different languages as > spell checking options? Where does Claws take this information from? > Claws uses Enchant for spell-checking, which is described as a "Wrapper for various spell checker engines" - In addition to what wwp mentioned in his email, it can make use of the aspell spellchecker and its wordlists - I am on Debian and use packages like aspell-[language-code] - for example aspell-en for english or aspell-sv for swedish. best regards /Andreas -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: not available URL: From taroth at suse.de Thu Jan 5 15:19:52 2012 From: taroth at suse.de (Tanja Roth) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 15:19:52 +0100 Subject: [Users] Spell Checking Question In-Reply-To: <20120105145640.16770ae4@debian.localdomain> References: <20120105144754.4bad4560@suse.de> <20120105145640.16770ae4@debian.localdomain> Message-ID: <20120105151952.1620699d@suse.de> Hi, On 2012-01-05 14:56 Andreas Rönnquist wrote: >On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:47:54 +0100 >Tanja Roth wrote: > >> Hi again, >> >> one more question for today: I would like to use an alternate spell >> checker (since I regularly write in two different languages), but >> I can only choose between several variants of English in the spell >> checker preferences (en, en_CA, en_GB, and en_US). >> >> What do I need to do to make Claws show different languages as >> spell checking options? Where does Claws take this information from? >> > >Claws uses Enchant for spell-checking, which is described as a "Wrapper >for various spell checker engines" - In addition to what wwp mentioned >in his email, it can make use of the aspell spellchecker and its >wordlists - > >I am on Debian and use packages like aspell-[language-code] - for >example aspell-en for english or aspell-sv for swedish. > ah, I just didn't think of the obvious - after installing the respective aspell packages I now got what I wanted :) Many thx for the help! Cheers, Tanja -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Jan 5 19:09:48 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:09:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2576] Claws mail does not report when failing to load a module In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120105180948.D3B981FEFD@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2576 --- Comment #3 from Arnaudv6 2012-01-05 19:09:48 --- Oh OK, message must have been displayed then, and I won't have seen it. Great work so! Best regards -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Jan 5 19:35:38 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:35:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2576] Claws mail does not report when failing to load a module In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120105183539.04A121FEFD@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2576 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Jan 5 21:45:18 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:45:18 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] New: Black lines under folder list and message list headings Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 Summary: Black lines under folder list and message list headings Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: minor Priority: P3 Component: UI AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: pezcurrel at tiscali.it Created an attachment (id=1060) --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1060) Message and folder headings showing a black line at their bottom Since upgrading to 3.8.0 on Ubuntu 10.04, if I click on a message heading in the message list, and then click on another, the previously selected message heading often shows a black line (sometimes "broken") at its bottom. Same goes with the folder list. (See the image attachment) This bug shows even on a different account on the same machine, on a fresh claws setup. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From bleketux at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 09:09:23 2012 From: bleketux at gmail.com (MSulchan Darmawan) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:09:23 +0700 Subject: [Users] permission denied warning on updating claws cvs Message-ID: <20120106150923.2f22acac@mc19> Dear all, I keep having this warning when update claws cvs : $ cvs -z3 update -dPR --deleted-- cvs update: warning: cannot open history file `//CVSROOT/history' for write: Permission denied --deleted-- there should be no warning, yes ? -- Cheers, [-Sulchan-] claws-mail 3.8.0cvs11 @ lucid lynx 10.04 LTS From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Fri Jan 6 19:29:18 2012 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:29:18 +0000 Subject: [Users] Just got a crash dump from Claws CVS, anyone interested in deciphering it? Message-ID: <20120106182918.0ccebbd8@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> Backtrace follows: Claws Mail version 3.8.0cvs10 GTK+ version 2.22.0 / GLib 2.26.0 Locale: en_GB.utf8 (charset: UTF-8) Features: IPv6 iconv compface GnuTLS LDAP JPilot GNU/aspell libetpan libSM Operating system: Linux 2.6.35.14-106.fc14.x86_64 (x86_64) C Library: GNU libc 2.13 -- [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 0x7ff89a05b700 (LWP 14650)] [New Thread 0x7ff88b7fe700 (LWP 14649)] [New Thread 0x7ff898e53700 (LWP 3421)] [New Thread 0x7ff89985a700 (LWP 3338)] [New Thread 0x7ff8a5f5e700 (LWP 3134)] 0x00000033d060ea4d in __libc_waitpid (pid=, stat_loc=, options=) at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/waitpid.c:41 41 int result = INLINE_SYSCALL (wait4, 4, pid, stat_loc, options, NULL); #0 0x00000033d060ea4d in __libc_waitpid (pid=, stat_loc=, options=) at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/waitpid.c:41 resultvar = 18446744073709551104 oldtype = 0 result = #1 0x00000000004989ab in crash_handler (sig=11) at crash.c:541 pid = crashed_ = 1 #2 No symbol table info available. #3 _gcry_mpi_free (a=0x40) at mpiutil.c:176 No locals. #4 0x00000033ed22a0d6 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgnutls.so.26 No symbol table info available. #5 0x00000033ed22bc40 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgnutls.so.26 No symbol table info available. #6 0x00000033ed22c7a6 in gnutls_certificate_free_keys () from /usr/lib64/libgnutls.so.26 No symbol table info available. #7 0x00000033ed22c859 in gnutls_certificate_free_credentials () from /usr/lib64/libgnutls.so.26 No symbol table info available. #8 0x00000000005dc9b9 in ssl_done_socket (sockinfo=0x33cfd97838) at ssl.c:331 No locals. #9 0x00000000005d6d5d in sock_close (sock=0x33cfd97838) at socket.c:1616 ret = #10 0x00000000005d365a in session_close (session=0x522a000) at session.c:350 No locals. #11 0x00000000005d37aa in session_destroy (session=0x522a000) at session.c:217 No locals. #12 0x0000000000526f50 in news_session_get (folder=0x2f602e0) at news.c:477 rfolder = 0x2f602e0 lt = {tm_sec = 1060237143, tm_min = 59, tm_hour = 3, tm_mday = 0, tm_mon = 867, tm_year = 0, tm_wday = 1174, tm_yday = 0, tm_isdst = 22, tm_gmtoff = 66267864, tm_zone = 0x2b32d20 "\001"} r = #13 0x00000000005289b6 in news_get_num_list (folder=0x2f602e0, item=0x2f625f0, msgnum_list=0x7fff4c949eb0, old_uids_valid=0x7fff4c949ebc) at news.c:1001 session = i = ok = num = first = last = nummsgs = 0 dir = #14 0x00000000004baed1 in folder_item_scan_full (item=0x2f625f0, filtering=1) at folder.c:2158 folder = 0x2f602e0 folder_list = 0x0 cache_list = 0x0 folder_list_cur = cache_list_cur = new_list = 0x0 exists_list = 0x0 elem = newmsg_list = 0x0 newcnt = 0 unreadcnt = 0 totalcnt = 0 markedcnt = 0 unreadmarkedcnt = 0 repliedcnt = 0 forwardedcnt = 0 lockedcnt = 0 ignoredcnt = 0 watchedcnt = 0 cache_max_num = folder_max_num = cache_cur_num = folder_cur_num = update_flags = 0 old_uids_valid = 0 subject_table = 0x0 #15 0x00000000004c8cbd in folderview_check_new (folder=0x2f602e0) at folderview.c:1197 str = 0x8
list = 0x2d34a00 = {0x2cce050} item = 0x2f625f0 folderview = 0x2cce050 ctree = 0x2afb410 [GtkSCTree] node = 0x4c86580 new_msgs = 0 former_new_msgs = 0 former_new = 8 former_unread = 10 former_total = 1377 #16 0x00000000004e3b6d in inc_all_account_mail (mainwin=0x2b8d100, autocheck=1, notify=0) at inc.c:363 account = list = 0x2e4b360 = {0x2e57700, 0x2e58450, 0x2e58ac0} queue_list = 0x0 inc_dialog = new_msgs = 0 account_new_msgs = #17 0x00000000004e3d10 in inc_autocheck_func (data=) at inc.c:1535 mainwin = #18 0x00000033d22435eb in g_timeout_dispatch (source=, callback=, user_data=) at gmain.c:3585 timeout_source = 0x3eef0c0 #19 0x00000033d2241e33 in g_main_dispatch (context=0x2b06240) at gmain.c:2149 dispatch = 0x33d22435d0 was_in_call = 0 user_data = 0x2b8d100 callback = 0x4e3cf0 cb_funcs = 0x33d2505b50 cb_data = 0x5d0e140 current_source_link = {data = 0x3eef0c0, next = 0x7fff4c954fa0 = {0x2b06150}} need_destroy = source = 0x3eef0c0 current = 0x2ebcf20 i = #20 g_main_context_dispatch (context=0x2b06240) at gmain.c:2702 No locals. #21 0x00000033d2242610 in g_main_context_iterate (context=0x2b06240, block=1, dispatch=1, self=) at gmain.c:2780 max_priority = 0 timeout = 0 some_ready = 1 nfds = 14 allocated_nfds = fds = #22 0x00000033d22428ad in g_main_context_iteration (context=0x2b06240, may_block=1) at gmain.c:2843 retval = #23 0x0000003b3f14b2c1 in IA__gtk_main_iteration () at gtkmain.c:1325 No locals. #24 0x00000000005ce2fd in threaded_run (folder=0x2f602e0, param=, result=0x7fff4c94a1d0, func=0x5cecd0 ) at nntp-thread.c:291 op = 0x4494f70 thread = #25 0x00000000005cefd2 in nntp_threaded_connect (folder=0x2f602e0, server=0x2e57bb0 "news.ukfsn.org", port=119) at nntp-thread.c:368 param = {nntp = 0x4406020, account = 0x2e57700, server = 0x2e57bb0 "news.ukfsn.org", port = 119} result = {error = 0} key = {data = 0x7fff4c94a188, len = 8} value = {data = 0x4406020, len = 0} nntp = 0x4406020 oldnntp = 0x4d5e490 #26 0x0000000000526bae in news_session_new (folder=0x2f602e0) at news.c:313 session = 0x5d0d000 r = 0 #27 news_session_new_for_folder (folder=0x2f602e0) at news.c:350 session = 0x5d0d000 ac = 0x2e57700 userid = 0x2e57c70 "fenrir" passwd = 0x445bc10 "Squrr0x889" port = 119 r = #28 0x0000000000526f58 in news_session_get (folder=0x2f602e0) at news.c:478 rfolder = 0x2f602e0 lt = {tm_sec = 45693616, tm_min = 0, tm_hour = 22, tm_mday = 0, tm_mon = 3, tm_year = 0, tm_wday = 1058048581, tm_yday = 59, tm_isdst = 45262000, tm_gmtoff = 45693616, tm_zone = 0x2b2a4b0 "\022"} r = #29 0x00000000005289b6 in news_get_num_list (folder=0x2f602e0, item=0x2f60450, msgnum_list=0x7fff4c94e3a0, old_uids_valid=0x7fff4c94e3ac) at news.c:1001 session = i = ok = num = first = last = nummsgs = 0 dir = #30 0x00000000004baed1 in folder_item_scan_full (item=0x2f60450, filtering=1) at folder.c:2158 folder = 0x2f602e0 folder_list = 0x0 cache_list = 0x0 folder_list_cur = cache_list_cur = new_list = 0x0 exists_list = 0x0 elem = newmsg_list = 0x0 newcnt = 0 unreadcnt = 0 totalcnt = 0 markedcnt = 0 unreadmarkedcnt = 0 repliedcnt = 0 forwardedcnt = 0 lockedcnt = 0 ignoredcnt = 0 watchedcnt = 0 cache_max_num = folder_max_num = cache_cur_num = folder_cur_num = update_flags = 0 old_uids_valid = 0 subject_table = 0x0 #31 0x00000000004be34d in folder_item_process_open (item=0x2f60450) at folder.c:2007 buf = data = 0x0 after_proc_func = 0 before_proc_func = 0 #32 folder_item_open (item=0x2f60450) at folder.c:2042 start = {tv_sec = 1325873804, tv_usec = 295579} end = {tv_sec = 0, tv_usec = 0} diff = timing_name = 0x65374a "" __FUNCTION__ = "folder_item_open" #33 0x00000000004c958c in folderview_selected (ctree=0x2afb410 [GtkSCTree], row=0x2f20ba0, column=-1, folderview=0x2cce050) at folderview.c:2189 can_select = 0 opened = item = 0x2f60450 buf = 0x2e67f90 "p\325\377\002" res = 0 old_opened = 0x2f1f620 start = {tv_sec = 1325873804, tv_usec = 151066} end = {tv_sec = 140705633739152, tv_usec = 45409408} diff = timing_name = 0x65374a "" __FUNCTION__ = "folderview_selected" #34 0x00000033d360e03e in g_closure_invoke (closure=0x2b4e480, return_value=0x0, n_param_values=3, param_values=0x7ff895512190, invocation_hint=0x7fff4c94e5e0) at gclosure.c:766 marshal = marshal_data = in_marshal = __PRETTY_FUNCTION__ = "g_closure_invoke" #35 0x00000033d361ee87 in signal_emit_unlocked_R (node=, detail=0, instance=0x2afb410, emission_return=0x0, instance_and_params=0x7ff895512190) at gsignal.c:3252 tmp = handler = 0x2d08980 accumulator = 0x0 emission = {next = 0x7fff4c954b90, instance = 0x2afb410, ihint = {signal_id = 171, detail = 0, run_type = G_SIGNAL_RUN_FIRST}, state = EMISSION_RUN, chain_type = 4} class_closure = 0x2b84ac0 handler_list = 0x2d08980 return_accu = 0x0 accu = {g_type = 0, data = {{v_int = 0, v_uint = 0, v_long = 0, v_ulong = 0, v_int64 = 0, v_uint64 = 0, v_float = 0, v_double = 0, v_pointer = 0x0}, {v_int = 0, v_uint = 0, v_long = 0, v_ulong = 0, v_int64 = 0, v_uint64 = 0, v_float = 0, v_double = 0, v_pointer = 0x0}}} signal_id = 171 max_sequential_handler_number = 135524 return_value_altered = 1 #36 0x00000033d36287b5 in g_signal_emit_valist (instance=, signal_id=, detail=, var_args=) at gsignal.c:2983 instance_and_params = 0x7ff895512190 signal_return_type = 4 param_values = 0x7ff8955121a8 node = i = n_params = 2 __PRETTY_FUNCTION__ = "g_signal_emit_valist" #37 0x00000033d3628983 in g_signal_emit (instance=, signal_id=, detail=) at gsignal.c:3040 var_args = {{gp_offset = 40, fp_offset = 48, overflow_arg_area = 0x7fff4c94e8d0, reg_save_area = 0x7fff4c94e810}} #38 0x000000000060881a in gtk_cmctree_select (ctree=0x2afb410 [GtkSCTree], node=0x2f20ba0) at gtkcmctree.c:3897 No locals. #39 0x0000000000608d59 in real_unselect_all (clist=0x2afb410 [GtkSCTree]) at gtkcmctree.c:2880 ctree = 0x2afb410 [GtkSCTree] node = list = #40 0x000000000062b08f in gtk_sctree_real_unselect_all (clist=0x2afb410 [GtkSCTree]) at gtksctree.c:787 sctree = 0x2afb410 [GtkSCTree] should_freeze = 0 #41 0x0000000000623381 in gtk_cmclist_unselect_all (clist=0x2afb410 [GtkSCTree]) at gtkcmclist.c:3575 No locals. #42 0x00000000006292c9 in select_row (sctree=0x2afb410 [GtkSCTree], row=167, col=0, state=, _node=0x0) at gtksctree.c:383 range = 0 additive = #43 0x000000000062bcee in gtk_sctree_button_press (widget=, event=0x7ff884d45d70) at gtksctree.c:549 sctree = 0x2afb410 [GtkSCTree] clist = 0x2afb410 [GtkSCTree] on_row = 1 row = 167 col = 0 retval = 0 #44 0x0000003b3f14e223 in _gtk_marshal_BOOLEAN__BOXED (closure=0x2b32cc0, return_value=0x7fff4c954be0, n_param_values=, param_values=0x7ff894b9dc60, invocation_hint=, marshal_data=) at gtkmarshalers.c:86 callback = 0x62b720 cc = 0x2b32cc0 data1 = 0x2afb410 data2 = 0x2b2adc0 v_return = __PRETTY_FUNCTION__ = "_gtk_marshal_BOOLEAN__BOXED" #45 0x00000033d360e03e in g_closure_invoke (closure=0x2b32cc0, return_value=0x7fff4c954be0, n_param_values=2, param_values=0x7ff894b9dc60, invocation_hint=0x7fff4c954ba0) at gclosure.c:766 marshal = marshal_data = in_marshal = __PRETTY_FUNCTION__ = "g_closure_invoke" #46 0x00000033d361ec98 in signal_emit_unlocked_R (node=, detail=0, instance=0x2afb410, emission_return=0x7fff4c954d50, instance_and_params=0x7ff894b9dc60) at gsignal.c:3290 accumulator = 0x2b32f10 emission = {next = 0x0, instance = 0x2afb410, ihint = {signal_id = 33, detail = 0, run_type = G_SIGNAL_RUN_LAST}, state = EMISSION_RUN, chain_type = 45620672} class_closure = 0x2b32cc0 handler_list = 0x2d08860 return_accu = 0x7fff4c954be0 accu = {g_type = 20, data = {{v_int = 0, v_uint = 0, v_long = 0, v_ulong = 0, v_int64 = 0, v_uint64 = 0, v_float = 0, v_double = 0, v_pointer = 0x0}, {v_int = 0, v_uint = 0, v_long = 0, v_ulong = 0, v_int64 = 0, v_uint64 = 0, v_float = 0, v_double = 0, v_pointer = 0x0}}} signal_id = 33 max_sequential_handler_number = 135524 return_value_altered = 1 #47 0x00000033d3628555 in g_signal_emit_valist (instance=, signal_id=, detail=, var_args=) at gsignal.c:2993 return_value = {g_type = 20, data = {{v_int = 0, v_uint = 0, v_long = 0, v_ulong = 0, v_int64 = 0, v_uint64 = 0, v_float = 0, v_double = 0, v_pointer = 0x0}, {v_int = 0, v_uint = 0, v_long = 0, v_ulong = 0, v_int64 = 0, v_uint64 = 0, v_float = 0, v_double = 0, v_pointer = 0x0}}} error = 0x0 rtype = 20 static_scope = 0 instance_and_params = 0x7ff894b9dc60 signal_return_type = 20 param_values = 0x7ff894b9dc78 node = i = n_params = 1 __PRETTY_FUNCTION__ = "g_signal_emit_valist" #48 0x00000033d3628983 in g_signal_emit (instance=, signal_id=, detail=) at gsignal.c:3040 var_args = {{gp_offset = 32, fp_offset = 48, overflow_arg_area = 0x7fff4c954e90, reg_save_area = 0x7fff4c954dd0}} #49 0x0000003b3f285aef in gtk_widget_event_internal (widget=0x2afb410 [GtkSCTree], event=0x7ff884d45d70) at gtkwidget.c:4992 signal_num = return_val = 0 #50 0x0000003b3f14bd33 in IA__gtk_propagate_event (widget=0x2afb410 [GtkSCTree], event=0x7ff884d45d70) at gtkmain.c:2460 tmp = handled_event = __PRETTY_FUNCTION__ = "IA__gtk_propagate_event" #51 0x0000003b3f14c103 in IA__gtk_main_do_event (event=0x7ff884d45d70) at gtkmain.c:1665 event_widget = grab_widget = 0x2afb410 [GtkSCTree] window_group = rewritten_event = tmp_list = __PRETTY_FUNCTION__ = "IA__gtk_main_do_event" #52 0x0000003b3f861a8c in gdk_event_dispatch (source=, callback=, user_data=) at gdkevents-x11.c:2377 display = event = 0x7ff884d45d70 #53 0x00000033d2241e33 in g_main_dispatch (context=0x2b06240) at gmain.c:2149 dispatch = 0x3b3f861a40 was_in_call = 0 user_data = 0x0 callback = 0 cb_funcs = 0x0 cb_data = 0x0 current_source_link = {data = 0x2b06150, next = 0x0} need_destroy = source = 0x2b06150 current = 0x2ebcf20 i = #54 g_main_context_dispatch (context=0x2b06240) at gmain.c:2702 No locals. #55 0x00000033d2242610 in g_main_context_iterate (context=0x2b06240, block=1, dispatch=1, self=) at gmain.c:2780 max_priority = 0 timeout = 0 some_ready = 1 nfds = 14 allocated_nfds = fds = #56 0x00000033d2242c82 in g_main_loop_run (loop=0x2a4f9c0) at gmain.c:2988 __PRETTY_FUNCTION__ = "g_main_loop_run" #57 0x0000003b3f14b0b7 in IA__gtk_main () at gtkmain.c:1237 tmp_list = functions = 0x0 init = loop = 0x2a4f9c0 #58 0x00000000004f83f5 in main (argc=1, argv=0x7fff4c9555d8) at main.c:1653 connection = 0x2b65798 error = 0x0 nm_proxy = 0x2b3b8e0 [DBusGProxy] userrc = mainwin = 0x2b8d100 folderview = 0x2cce050 icon = 0x2b7e680 crash_file_present = num_folder_class = asked_for_migration = start_done = gui_manager = plug_list = never_ran = start = {tv_sec = 1325853140, tv_usec = 262601} end = {tv_sec = 1325853198, tv_usec = 558505} diff = {tv_sec = 58, tv_usec = 295904} timing_name = 0x662728 "startup" __FUNCTION__ = "main" Kill the program being debugged? (y or n) [answered Y; input not from terminal] -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 7 08:18:19 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 08:18:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Black lines under folder list and message list headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120107071819.83D0620495@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #1 from Little Girl 2012-01-07 08:18:19 --- I can confirm the same symptoms in Claws Mail 3.8.0 in Kubuntu 10.04, although the lines aren't always black since they can be affected by header coloring, which I'm very fond of adding. (: -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From littlergirl at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 08:21:52 2012 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 02:21:52 -0500 Subject: [Users] Reply-to-mailing-list not working as expected In-Reply-To: <20120105134557.777f9bd6@suse.de> References: <20120105134557.777f9bd6@suse.de> Message-ID: <4f07f290.4abee00a.712c.00d6@mx.google.com> Hey there, Tanja Roth wrote: > I use Claws Mail with openSUSE 12.1 and XFCE. Recently, I found that > there is a "reply to mailing-list" function (and I added it to my > toolbars) but it does not work as expected. For example, when I > want to reply to a message that was posted on a mailing list (and > contains a CC to my mail address), "reply to mailing-list" fills in > the sender's mail address as recipient (and *not* the ML). > Did I miss any point or is it a bug? Can you repeat this behavior, and does it always happen in the same mailing list? I use the Reply to feature all the time on various lists and have never seen this happen. I use Claws Mail 3.8.0 in Kubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx), and I've used lots of other versions of Claws Mail before this over the years. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From linux at slavino.sk Sat Jan 7 08:55:13 2012 From: linux at slavino.sk (Slavko) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 08:55:13 +0100 Subject: [Users] encoding of the displayed message Message-ID: <20120107085513.71e0bcd3@bonifac.skk> Hi, some time ago, we are talking about encoding of the PGP inline notice. Now i am playing with fcron (the anachronistic cron replacement), with simple jobs, which are echoing some texts only, to i can see what (and when) is doing. In job's echo i am using localized texts, which are mailed (attached) at scheduled time. Reading these text via mail command in console is without any problems, but these mails are in CM displayed with bad encoding. The original text (no matter what this mean) is: "úloha z noci, mala by byť zmeškaná" but in CM is displayed as: "Ăşloha z noci, mala by byĹĽ zmeĹĄkanĂĄ" Strange is, that the same text is in Subject, but the subject is displayed correctly. Displaying source of the message displays correct characters. I know that here is not encoding defined in message body. I think, that here is some default encoding used to display the message. But while both ends of communication are on the same machine, i am expect that they uses the same encoding, but perhaps i have some missconfigurated. Please, what i can do, to correct displaying the message body? -- Slavko http://slavino.sk -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: fcron Subject: fcron echo úloha z noci, mala by byť zmeškaná Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:18:43 +0100 Size: 628 URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: not available URL: From littlergirl at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 09:33:15 2012 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 03:33:15 -0500 Subject: [Users] Control of folder-depth for opening folders in the "Select folder" window when copying or moving messages Message-ID: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> Hey there, This is probably a long shot, but I figured I'd ask, since there are a lot of possible settings in Claws Mail and I may have overlooked this one: Is it possible to control the depth of the folders that are opened in the "Select folder" window that pops up when you copy or move messages? Currently if I have 4 levels of folders that I store messages in, like this: * Level 1 folder ** Level 2 folder *** Level 3 folder **** Level 4 folder If I choose to copy or move a message, the "Select folder" window opens so I can pick where to move it to. In that window, the levels are open all the way to the 4th level folder. What I would like to do is play God and decide that no folders get opened or only 1 level or only 2 levels get opened, or even determine on a folder-by-folder basis which ones are opened and which aren't. The rest can stay closed, and Claws Mail can rest assured that I know what's in the other levels and will click to expand them if I want to put something there. Is that already possible to configure? Any help would be appreciated. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 7 10:41:47 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:41:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Black lines under folder list and message list headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120107094147.4509820495@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #2 from Paul 2012-01-07 10:41:46 --- It's not directly related to using (K)ubuntu 10.04 - I use the same with no such effects - it's almost certainly related to your GTK+ theme -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 7 11:23:50 2012 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:23:50 +0000 Subject: [Users] Control of folder-depth for opening folders in the "Select folder" window when copying or moving messages In-Reply-To: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> References: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20120107102350.3b3bc7f0@thewildbeast> On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 03:33:15 -0500 Little Girl wrote: > If I choose to copy or move a message, the "Select folder" window > opens so I can pick where to move it to. In that window, the levels > are open all the way to the 4th level folder. > > What I would like to do is play God and decide that no folders get > opened or only 1 level or only 2 levels get opened, or even > determine on a folder-by-folder basis which ones are opened and > which aren't. The rest can stay closed, and Claws Mail can rest > assured that I know what's in the other levels and will click to > expand them if I want to put something there. Actually, in your case, it's more a case of the rest staying open rather than staying closed. When you hover the folder it pops open if it is closed. Its sub-folders maintain the state in which you left them. Try it: open the parent folder, have one sub-folder open and another closed. Close the parent folder, then hover over it with a message. When it pops open you'll see the sub-folders either open or closed as you left them. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 7 12:57:29 2012 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:57:29 +0000 Subject: [Users] encoding of the displayed message In-Reply-To: <20120107085513.71e0bcd3@bonifac.skk> References: <20120107085513.71e0bcd3@bonifac.skk> Message-ID: <20120107115729.104f7afb@thewildbeast> On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 08:55:13 +0100 Slavko wrote: > I know that here is not encoding defined in message body. I think, > that here is some default encoding used to display the message. But > while both ends of communication are on the same machine, i am > expect that they uses the same encoding, but perhaps i have some > missconfigurated. > > Please, what i can do, to correct displaying the message body? That message you attached is broken, it doesn't state that it's UTF-8 encoded. It should have the following header: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 There is a hidden option to fix the display of such messages, 'utf8_instead_of_locale_for_broken_mail'. This is in ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc, set this to 1 while Claws is not running. (You may prefer to use Clawsker, http://www.claws-mail.org/clawsker.php) Alternately, use '/View/Character encoding' and set it accordingly. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 7 12:59:03 2012 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:59:03 +0000 Subject: [Users] Reply-to-mailing-list not working as expected In-Reply-To: <20120105134557.777f9bd6@suse.de> References: <20120105134557.777f9bd6@suse.de> Message-ID: <20120107115903.28999757@thewildbeast> On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:45:57 +0100 Tanja Roth wrote: > I use Claws Mail with openSUSE 12.1 and XFCE. Recently, I found that > there is a "reply to mailing-list" function (and I added it to my > toolbars) but it does not work as expected. For example, when I > want to reply to a message that was posted on a mailing list (and > contains a CC to my mail address), "reply to mailing-list" fills in > the sender's mail address as recipient (and *not* the ML). > > Did I miss any point or is it a bug? Probably the mailing list in question does not use the standard mailing list headers, i.e. the List-Post: header. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From mir at miras.org Sat Jan 7 13:05:55 2012 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:05:55 +0100 Subject: [Users] encoding of the displayed message In-Reply-To: <20120107115729.104f7afb@thewildbeast> References: <20120107085513.71e0bcd3@bonifac.skk> <20120107115729.104f7afb@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20120107130555.1d8ada5e@sleipner.datanom.net> On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:57:29 +0000 Paul wrote: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > There is a hidden option to fix the display of such messages, > 'utf8_instead_of_locale_for_broken_mail'. This is in But what if the message contains several parts which different charsets? As I see the above setting then this would mean that when ever claws detects a broken mime-part everything will be displayed using charset utf-8? It is not unusual that list-servers appends some kind of text to every outgoing messages in some latin charset omitting the charset indicator. -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(You > may prefer to use Clawsker, http://www.claws-mail.org/clawsker.php) thanks, it works for these messages :-) but, now here is have another related question, this option name suggests, that the UTF-8 will be used and not the locale one. But my locale already is UTF-8: $locale LANG=sk_SK.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=sk_SK.UTF-8:sk:cs The CM doesn't use the environment's locales or i am wrong? regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: not available URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 7 20:58:18 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 20:58:18 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Black lines under folder list and message list headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120107195818.3341820495@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #3 from Little Girl 2012-01-07 20:58:17 --- I would think so if the behavior was consistent, but this behaves like a memory leak or some other bug. If I have multiple folders in the folder pane or multiple message headers in the message pane: - I can click them one by one from top to bottom, and sometimes I cause the line and sometimes I don't. The same is true if I click them one by one from bottom to top or even if I click them randomly. - If I then click any of them again, sometimes clicking on one that doesn't have a line gets one, and other times it doesn't, and clicking on one that has a line sometimes removes it and other times it doesn't. - Some of the lines are full length across the entire width of the folder pane or message header pane, underlining all available columns, and some of the lines are partial, covering only part of the message subject or any other part of the line, for instance, while leaving the rest of that line alone. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that pezcurrel sees exactly the same thing. Note, also, that this can be easily repeated. I could show it to you in under ten seconds at any time, which means I can rely upon it to misbehave. (: -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From littlergirl at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 01:09:23 2012 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:09:23 -0500 Subject: [Users] Control of folder-depth for opening folders in the "Select folder" window when copying or moving messages In-Reply-To: <20120107102350.3b3bc7f0@thewildbeast> References: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> <20120107102350.3b3bc7f0@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <4f08deb4.0e6fe00a.3c4b.6473@mx.google.com> Hey there, Paul wrote: > Little Girl wrote: > > If I choose to copy or move a message, the "Select folder" window > > opens so I can pick where to move it to. In that window, the > > levels are open all the way to the 4th level folder. > > > > What I would like to do is play God and decide that no folders get > > opened or only 1 level or only 2 levels get opened, or even > > determine on a folder-by-folder basis which ones are opened and > > which aren't. The rest can stay closed, and Claws Mail can rest > > assured that I know what's in the other levels and will click to > > expand them if I want to put something there. > > Actually, in your case, it's more a case of the rest staying open > rather than staying closed. When you hover the folder it pops open > if it is closed. Its sub-folders maintain the state in which you > left them. Try it: open the parent folder, have one sub-folder open > and another closed. Close the parent folder, then hover over it > with a message. When it pops open you'll see the sub-folders either > open or closed as you left them. I don't actually drag my messages into folders. I should have said when I right-click and choose Copy... or Move... from the context menu that comes up. The "Select folder" window I'm talking about above is the one that opens after doing that. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From knathan at project54.com Sun Jan 8 01:46:45 2012 From: knathan at project54.com (Kevin Nathan) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:46:45 -0700 Subject: [Users] Control of folder-depth for opening folders in the "Select folder" window when copying or moving messages In-Reply-To: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> References: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20120107174645.35525523@efreet.linux> On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 03:33:15 -0500 Little Girl wrote: >Is it possible to control the depth of the folders that are opened in >the "Select folder" window that pops up when you copy or move >messages? > I would like this, too! In fact, it would be *really* nice if the "Select Folder" window mimicked the folder pane for which ones were opened or closed... :-) -- Kevin Nathan (Arizona, USA) http://www.project54.com Open standards. Open source. Open minds. The command line is the front line. Linux 2.6.37.6-0.9-desktop 17:45pm up 20:42, 13 users, load average: 0.09, 0.08, 0.15 From littlergirl at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 05:42:37 2012 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:42:37 -0500 Subject: [Users] Control of folder-depth for opening folders in the "Select folder" window when copying or moving messages In-Reply-To: <20120107174645.35525523@efreet.linux> References: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> <20120107174645.35525523@efreet.linux> Message-ID: <4f091ebd.52b7e00a.571d.3732@mx.google.com> Hey there, Kevin Nathan wrote: > Little Girl wrote: > >Is it possible to control the depth of the folders that are opened > >in the "Select folder" window that pops up when you copy or move > >messages? > I would like this, too! Cool - the more, the merrier! (: > In fact, it would be *really* nice if the "Select Folder" window > mimicked the folder pane for which ones were opened or closed... :-) Agreed, especially since I have those folders exactly the way I'd like the "Select folder" window to be! -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 8 13:08:04 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 13:08:04 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Black lines under folder list and message list headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120108120804.D24EB20207@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #4 from pezcurrel 2012-01-08 13:08:04 --- > It's not directly related to using (K)ubuntu 10.04 - I use the same with no > such effects - it's almost certainly related to your GTK+ theme I tried (always on a fresh user account and fresh claws setup) with different, "official" (not modified) themes, and also on a plain X session, with same results. I also tried with different X drivers (nvidia, nouveau, fbdev, vesa), with same results, and always nothing relevant in ~/.xsession-errors, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, /var/log/syslog > I wouldn't be surprised to find out that pezcurrel sees exactly the same thing. I do... Maybe it's somehow platform-related... I am using a macbook 5,2 booting with grub-efi; what platform are you using? -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 8 13:12:47 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 13:12:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Black lines under folder list and message list headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120108121247.B1FA420207@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #5 from Andreas Rönnquist 2012-01-08 13:12:47 --- I can confirm this on a Debian stable, with the following data: - GTK+ 2.20.1 / GLib 2.24.2 - Lokal: sv_SE.UTF-8 (teckenkodning: UTF-8) - Operativsystem: Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 (x86_64) - Nvidia 7950 graphicscard, Nvidia long-lived branch release 275,43 - Xfce 4.6.2 -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From berndth at gmx.de Sun Jan 8 14:24:42 2012 From: berndth at gmx.de (Holger Berndt) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 14:24:42 +0100 Subject: [Users] Control of folder-depth for opening folders in the "Select folder" window when copying or moving messages In-Reply-To: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> References: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20120108142442.7345204e@wodan> On Sa, 07.01.2012 03:33, Little Girl wrote: >Claws Mail can rest >assured that I know what's in the other levels Expanded folders are included in the type-ahead search, so having everything expanded is especially useful when you already know what's there. Personally, I always move messages with by Ctrl-O plus typing a few letters. If the folder selection window had the same expanded/collapsed structure as the folder tree itself, I don't really see the point in opening it in the first place. In that case, it's easier to just use the folder tree directly with drag&drop, isn't it? Holger From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 8 16:10:21 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:10:21 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Black lines under folder list and message list headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120108151021.754CC20207@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #6 from Ricardo Mones 2012-01-08 16:10:21 --- It's not reproducible here, neither 3.7.6 (OS packaged) nor latest CVS build, so I agree with Paul this is very likely a GTK+ theme issue. OS: Debian stable (Squeeze) + few backports Kernel: Linux 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 Video: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller GTK/GLib: 2.20.1-2/2.24.2-1 GNOME Desktop with Awesome WM and Debian default GTK+ theme -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From knathan at project54.com Sun Jan 8 18:48:40 2012 From: knathan at project54.com (Kevin Nathan) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 10:48:40 -0700 Subject: [Users] Control of folder-depth for opening folders in the "Select folder" window when copying or moving messages In-Reply-To: <20120108142442.7345204e@wodan> References: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> <20120108142442.7345204e@wodan> Message-ID: <20120108104840.0d0543d9@efreet.linux> On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 14:24:42 +0100 Holger Berndt wrote: >Expanded folders are included in the type-ahead search, so >having everything expanded is especially useful when you already know >what's there. Personally, I always move messages with by Ctrl-O plus >typing a few letters. > That makes sense -- although I haven't used that too much. I generally do drag and drop. Most of my moving is done in the filtering upon arrival (with 250 directories, it's much easier!), so there is not as much need for me to move/copy manually. >If the folder selection window had the same expanded/collapsed >structure as the folder tree itself, I don't really see the point in >opening it in the first place. In that case, it's easier to just use >the folder tree directly with drag&drop, isn't it? > For most normal copy and move, I use drag and drop almost exclusively; but, you can *not* use the folder tree when specifying a 'move' action in filters or folder processing -- you are limited to the 'Select Folder' popup. It's not really a big deal, just an "it would be if..." sort of thing. :-) I sure wish we could go back to the 'directory' name instead of the silly 'folder' name. ( from one who started on computers before there ever *was* an IBM-PC... :-) -- Kevin Nathan (Arizona, USA) http://www.project54.com Open standards. Open source. Open minds. The command line is the front line. Linux 2.6.37.6-0.9-desktop 10:31am up 1 day 13:28, 13 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.05 From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 8 19:14:10 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 19:14:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Black lines under folder list and message list headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120108181410.9C41120207@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #7 from Kevin Nathan 2012-01-08 19:14:10 --- I cannot reproduce it here, either. It really does sound like a GTK theme issue. System Information GTK+ 2.22.1 / GLib 2.28.0 Locale: en_US.UTF-8 (charset: UTF-8) Operating System: Linux 2.6.37.6-0.9-desktop (i686) openSUSE 11.4 (i586) using WindowMaker as primary desktop; also tried it on KDE4, icewm, fvwm, LXDE, XFCE and twm... -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 8 21:51:52 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:51:52 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Black lines under folder list and message list headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120108205152.37F2520207@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #8 from pezcurrel 2012-01-08 21:51:51 --- I don't understand how it could be a gtk+ theme issue, since it shows with any gtk theme I'm using. I'm not polemic, just want to understand :) > It's not reproducible here, neither 3.7.6 (OS packaged) nor latest CVS build 3.7.6 worked correctly here too, the bug shows on 3.8.0-1ubuntu0~ppalucid0ubuntu1 I also tried cvs build with same results (also compiled with "CFLAGS=-O1", just to try...). My setup... Macbook 5.2 OS: Ubuntu 10.04 Kernel: Linux 2.6.32-37-generic x86_64 Video: nVidia Corporation C79 [GeForce 9400M G] (rev b1) Processor: Intel Core2 Duo P7350 @ 2.00GHz GTK: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 GLib: 2.24.1-0ubuntu1 Gnome 2.30.0-0ubuntu1 (tried also with xfce and "xterm session", same results) -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 8 22:06:19 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:06:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Black lines under folder list and message list headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120108210619.DAA4720207@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #9 from pezcurrel 2012-01-08 22:06:19 --- I've forgotten to mention that if I minimize and then maximize claws' window, the black lines go away and the screen shows correctly; if I drag another window above claws' one, any black lines' pixel under the window I'm dragging gets cleared. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From littlergirl at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 05:25:13 2012 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 23:25:13 -0500 Subject: [Users] Control of folder-depth for opening folders in the "Select folder" window when copying or moving messages In-Reply-To: <20120108142442.7345204e@wodan> References: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> <20120108142442.7345204e@wodan> Message-ID: <4f0a6c2a.0e6fe00a.3c4b.ffffe50f@mx.google.com> Hey there, Holger Berndt wrote: > Little Girl wrote: > >Claws Mail can rest assured that I know what's in the other levels > Expanded folders are included in the type-ahead search, so > having everything expanded is especially useful when you already > know what's there. I'm not sure I understand this, since I know what's there, and having it open isn't necessary if I do. (: > Personally, I always move messages with by Ctrl-O plus typing a few > letters. That's the thing. We all have our ways of doing things, and we like to keep doing them that way. I use the context menu. You use keyboard commands. Others drag and drop. > If the folder selection window had the same expanded/collapsed > structure as the folder tree itself, I don't really see the point in > opening it in the first place. In that case, it's easier to just use > the folder tree directly with drag&drop, isn't it? For you, yes. I'm no good at dragging, and always end up putting the stuff in a folder above or below the target and then have to hunt for the file and try again. The context menu, for me, is an exercise in precision. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From littlergirl at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 05:29:52 2012 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 23:29:52 -0500 Subject: [Users] Control of folder-depth for opening folders in the "Select folder" window when copying or moving messages In-Reply-To: <20120108104840.0d0543d9@efreet.linux> References: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> <20120108142442.7345204e@wodan> <20120108104840.0d0543d9@efreet.linux> Message-ID: <4f0a6d40.c7c5e00a.7819.ffffd732@mx.google.com> Hey there, Kevin Nathan wrote: > > > I sure wish we could go back to the 'directory' name instead of the > silly 'folder' name. ( from one who started on computers before > there ever *was* an IBM-PC... :-) > > +1 on this pet peeve, but not just in Claws Mail, but everywhere. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 05:53:42 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 05:53:42 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Black lines under folder list and message list headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109045342.8E0B320216@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #10 from Little Girl 2012-01-09 05:53:41 --- My hardware: - Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce 8600GT video card - Hard drive: Western Digital SATA - Motherboard: ASUS M2N-E AM2 - Processor: AMD Athlon 2.4 Ghz dual core - RAM - Corsair DDR2 SDRAM 2 GB My software: - Email: Claws Mail 3.8.0 - Operating system: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) - Desktop: KDE 4.4.5 - Boot manager: GRUB 1.98 - Dependency for Claws Mail: GTK version? No idea. Maybe you can tell me which version I have. This is what dpkg -l | grep libgtk has to say: ii libgtk2.0-0 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 The GTK+ graphical user interface library ii libgtk2.0-bin 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 The programs for the GTK+ graphical user int ii libgtk2.0-common 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 Common files for the GTK+ graphical user int ii libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a 1:2.20.3-0ubuntu1 C++ wrappers for GTK+ (shared libraries) ii libgtksourceview2.0-0 2.10.4-0ubuntu1 shared libraries for the GTK+ syntax highlig ii libgtksourceview2.0-common 2.10.4-0ubuntu1 common files for the GTK+ syntax highlightin ii libgtkspell0 2.0.16-1 a spell-checking addon for GTK's TextView wi -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Mon Jan 9 06:04:17 2012 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:04:17 -0700 Subject: [Users] Control of folder-depth for opening folders in the "Select folder" window when copying or moving messages In-Reply-To: <4f0a6d40.c7c5e00a.7819.ffffd732@mx.google.com> References: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> <20120108142442.7345204e@wodan> <20120108104840.0d0543d9@efreet.linux> <4f0a6d40.c7c5e00a.7819.ffffd732@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20120108220417.42ec570b@yendi> On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 23:29:52 -0500 Little Girl wrote: > Kevin Nathan wrote: > > > > > > > I sure wish we could go back to the 'directory' name instead of the > > silly 'folder' name. ( from one who started on computers before > > there ever *was* an IBM-PC... :-) > > > > > > +1 on this pet peeve, but not just in Claws Mail, but everywhere. (: ++ Blame it on Apple. -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 06:07:38 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 06:07:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Black lines under folder list and message list headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109050738.4A7A420207@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #11 from Little Girl 2012-01-09 06:07:37 --- Just like pezcurrel, if I cover the Claws Mail window with another program or minimize and maximize it, the lines go away. I've done some more experimenting and here are some more diagnostics that can be relied upon to be consistent and repeatable: - Clicking on an entry in the folder pane that has a folder with no messages in it will never underline it. - Clicking on an entry in the folder pane that has a folder with at least one message in it can and will sometimes underline it. - Clicking on an entry in the folder pane that has a folder with at least one message in it and is underlined can and will sometimes remove the underline with no discernible pattern to the behavior. - Clicking on an entry in the folder pane that has a folder with at least one message in it will never underline it if you first click on an entry in the folder pane that has a folder with no messages in it. - Clicking on an entry in the folder pane that has a folder with at least one message in it will never underline it if you click on it and then click on an entry in the folder pane that has a folder with no messages in it. - Clicking on an entry in the folder pane that has a folder with no messages in it will clear all underlines in the folder pane and in the message header pane. - Clicking on a message header in the message header pane can and will sometimes be underlined with no discernible pattern to the behavior. - Clicking on a message header in the message header pane that has a full or partial underline can and will sometimes remove the underline with no discernible pattern to the behavior. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 06:13:27 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 06:13:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Black lines under folder list and message list headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109051327.371CD20207@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #12 from Little Girl 2012-01-09 06:13:26 --- Sorry for the multiple posts here, but I forgot to mention that this trouble began when I upgraded to Claws Mail 3.8.0 and wasn't present in any previous version of Claws I've used over the years. Also, the underlines don't interfere with the use of the program. Copying, moving, receiving mail, sending mail, filtering, moving messages to trash, etc., all work fine. And last, but not least, the name of this bug should probably be changed since the lines are only black if you don't use custom colors. (: -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 06:19:01 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 06:19:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 1924] Messages marked move to Trash appear identical to messages marked move to $FOLDER In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109051901.D14C820207@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1924 Little Girl changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #13 from Little Girl 2012-01-09 06:19:01 --- I love the new little icon in the Mark column in Claws Mail 3.8.0 letting me know the difference between the two kinds of moves. Thank you so much for adding this enhancement! (: -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 06:25:58 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 06:25:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 1924] Messages marked move to Trash appear identical to messages marked move to $FOLDER In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109052558.CD9B520216@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1924 Little Girl changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|FIXED | --- Comment #14 from Little Girl 2012-01-09 06:25:58 --- I spoke too soon - sorry about that! It seem the icon is for copy and not move. ): -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 06:43:34 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 06:43:34 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2578] New: claws mail crashes when deleting imap emails Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2578 Summary: claws mail crashes when deleting imap emails Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Folders/IMAP AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: walker.justinw at gmail.com Created an attachment (id=1061) --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1061) debug report I was attempting to delete multiple emails from my gmail account when it crashed. I told it to delete one, and while it was still working, told it to delete another. It then crashed. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 08:22:08 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 08:22:08 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Black lines under folder list and message list headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109072208.942E7200E2@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #13 from Paul 2012-01-09 08:22:08 --- That's a lot of information, but nowhere do you state which GTK theme/theme engine you are using -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 08:39:22 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 08:39:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2477] gtkhtml2 viewer plugin causes Claws-Mail to crash when viewing a MH folder I created In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109073922.34814200E2@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2477 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Component|Folders/MH |Plugins/Gtkhtml2 Viewer -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 10:18:54 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:18:54 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Black lines under folder list and message list headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109091854.77E87200E2@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #14 from Roman Brusa 2012-01-09 10:18:54 --- I'd like to add a voice to confirm this, as described by pezcurrel and Little Girl. My setup: Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS (Lucid) GTK+: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 GLib: 2.24.1-0ubuntu1 Kernel: 2.6.32-37-386 Xfce 4.6.1 GTK+-2.0 theme engine for Xfce: 2.6.0-2 -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From taroth at suse.de Mon Jan 9 10:48:23 2012 From: taroth at suse.de (Tanja Roth) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:48:23 +0100 Subject: [Users] Reply-to-mailing-list not working as expected In-Reply-To: <20120107115903.28999757@thewildbeast> References: <20120105134557.777f9bd6@suse.de> <20120107115903.28999757@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20120109104823.565ee99f@suse.de> Hi, On 2012-01-07 11:59 Paul wrote: >On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:45:57 +0100 >Tanja Roth wrote: > >> I use Claws Mail with openSUSE 12.1 and XFCE. Recently, I found that >> there is a "reply to mailing-list" function (and I added it to my >> toolbars) but it does not work as expected. For example, when I >> want to reply to a message that was posted on a mailing list (and >> contains a CC to my mail address), "reply to mailing-list" fills in >> the sender's mail address as recipient (and *not* the ML). >> >> Did I miss any point or is it a bug? > >Probably the mailing list in question does not use the standard >mailing list headers, i.e. the List-Post: header. nope, just checked: the list(s) have the standard mailing list headers. But when looking at the mails where this happens (the ones with additional Ccs and Tos), I noticed that those do _not_ include the List-Post: header. This is probably due to the fact that I set "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" to "Yes" in the respective mailman options for those lists... Cheers, Tanja From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 11:52:40 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:52:40 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Black lines under folder list and message list headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109105240.30CDC20216@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #15 from pezcurrel 2012-01-09 11:52:39 --- Created an attachment (id=1062) --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1062) Too many vertical lines :) -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 12:01:43 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 12:01:43 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109110143.67CC7200E2@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 pezcurrel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|Black lines under folder |Focus rectangle on folder |list and message list |list and message list |headings |headings doesn't get | |properly cleared when | |switching heading and | |horizontally scrolling list | |(underlines and vertical | |lines remain on screen) --- Comment #16 from pezcurrel 2012-01-09 12:01:43 --- I have the bug with any theme I try, for example "clearlooks" and "human". "clearlooks engine" comes with "gtk2-engines 1:2.20.0-0ubuntu1" (/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libclearlooks.so), "human" uses - guessing from dependencies - "gtk2-engines-murrine 0.90.3+git20100323-0ubuntu3" (/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libmurrine.so). Also tried with "gtk2-engines-xfce 2.6.0-2". I tried to mess with the cvs code and found out that I can "fix" the problem by changing src/gtk/gtkcmctree.c, line 941 ("/* draw focus rectangle */" block), from.. cairo_rectangle(cr, row_rectangle.x, row_rectangle.y, ..to.. cairo_rectangle(cr, row_rectangle.x, row_rectangle.y - 1, It works here, but I really wouldn't call it a fix since I just "tried something", basing a guess on the behaviour on my setup, and didn't even try to understand all the logic behind the involved code since I guess it would take much time for me.. hope this can be of some help for developers. Another "brute fix" is to comment out the.. // cairo_stroke(cr); ..few lines below, which completely disables the drawing of the focus rectangle (here focus can be seen anyway by the different background color of selected heading, as it was in previous versions). Also, there's another strange behaviour: when scrolling the message headings list from right to left, vertical lines stay drawed on the selected heading.. see the attachment in previous comment (this doesn't get "fixed" by the first change I wrote of). -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 15:35:18 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 15:35:18 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109143518.1E0F2200E2@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #17 from Little Girl 2012-01-09 15:35:17 --- > That's a lot of information, but nowhere do you state which GTK theme/theme engine you are using If this was directed at me, I'm not using GTK. It's only there as a dependency of Claws Mail. I use KDE (with its Oxygen theme. So whatever theme GTK would install and make available for use by default if it was pulled in as a dependency would be the one that's being used, and that information should be available from the Kubuntu package repository. (: Also, looking at the picture that pezcurrel just uploaded, that is not at all what I'm seeing. I'm attaching a picture of what I see, and note in that picture that some of the underlines do not go all the way across, but are broken. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 15:36:06 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 15:36:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109143606.C969020216@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #18 from pezcurrel 2012-01-09 15:36:06 --- Errata corrige :) > Another "brute fix" is to comment out the.. > // cairo_stroke(cr); > ..few lines below... Another "brute fix" is to comment out the.. cairo_stroke(cr); ..few lines below... -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 15:36:52 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 15:36:52 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109143652.3EB1E2021F@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #19 from Little Girl 2012-01-09 15:36:51 --- Created an attachment (id=1063) --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1063) Lines and underlines beneath entries in the folder pane and message header pane. Note that some of the lines are broken. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 16:04:22 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 16:04:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109150423.2046D200E2@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #20 from pezcurrel 2012-01-09 16:04:22 --- > Also, looking at the picture that pezcurrel just uploaded, that is not at all > what I'm seeing. No, but it's related. I guess if you add some colums to your message list pane, and try to scroll it horizontally left to right and then back, you will also see the vertical lines. > I'm attaching a picture of what I see, and note in that > picture that some of the underlines do not go all the way across, but are > broken. On my setup, the lines get broken after the subject tooltip for the selected heading pops up before the focus rectangle and then disappear.. see the attachment in (probably) next comment :) -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 16:05:51 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 16:05:51 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109150551.B2DEF20216@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #21 from pezcurrel 2012-01-09 16:05:51 --- Created an attachment (id=1064) --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1064) Subject tip breaks the focuse rectangle line -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 16:50:09 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 16:50:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109155009.BDC8420216@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #22 from Little Girl 2012-01-09 16:50:09 --- Yep, it was the vertical lines that threw me. I don't have those, but everything else is the same, so we are having the same issue. (: I notice the selected heading has a broken line under it in your latest uploaded image. My selected headings also sometimes have a broken line. Good catch on the tooltip causing the line to be broken. I can cause a break anywhere on a line if I open a tooltip on it by hovering the mouse over a message above it, and that's consistent behavior. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 19:46:44 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:46:44 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 1924] Messages marked move to Trash appear identical to messages marked move to $FOLDER In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109184645.14EE7200E2@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1924 --- Comment #15 from Colin Leroy 2012-01-09 19:46:44 --- Oups, I completely forgot to commit that patch. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 19:48:35 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:48:35 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 1924] Messages marked move to Trash appear identical to messages marked move to $FOLDER In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109184835.F3E79200E2@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1924 --- Comment #16 from users 2012-01-09 19:48:35 --- Changes related to this bug have been committed. Please check latest CVS and update the bug accordingly. You can also get the patch from: http://www.colino.net/claws-mail/ 2012-01-09 [colin] 3.8.0cvs12 * src/summaryview.c Fix bug 1924, 'Messages marked move to Trash appear identical to messages marked move to $FOLDER' -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 20:16:17 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 20:16:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2477] gtkhtml2 viewer plugin causes Claws-Mail to crash when viewing a MH folder I created In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109191617.2325A200E2@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2477 --- Comment #3 from Andrej Kacian 2012-01-09 20:16:16 --- You are probably viewing a particular message in that folder, since the viewer plugin doesn't operate on folders, but on messages. Does the crash happen when viewing any message in that folder? If not, it would be helpful to have an exact and full copy of a message which causes the crash. Does the crash happen when viewing a message in different MH folder? Just to be sure - by "MH folder" you mean one folder (subfolder) within a MH mailbox, or do you mean the entire MH mailbox? -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 9 23:44:25 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 23:44:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2477] gtkhtml2 viewer plugin causes Claws-Mail to crash when viewing a MH folder I created In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120109224425.64E45200E2@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2477 --- Comment #4 from zozo 2012-01-09 23:44:25 --- Indeed by "MH folder" I mean a subfolder created inside a MH mailbox. I'm sorry I cannot replicate this bug, I'm now using 3.8.0 and it seems to work fine. If my memory serves me right, I couldn't check at the time whether it was due to a particular message or not because it crashed as soon as I clicked on the folder in the folder list. At the time I "solved" the problem by using the fancy html viewer instead. Sorry for not being more helpful... -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From berndth at gmx.de Tue Jan 10 00:26:09 2012 From: berndth at gmx.de (Holger Berndt) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 00:26:09 +0100 Subject: [Users] Control of folder-depth for opening folders in the "Select folder" window when copying or moving messages In-Reply-To: <4f0a6c2a.0e6fe00a.3c4b.ffffe50f@mx.google.com> References: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> <20120108142442.7345204e@wodan> <4f0a6c2a.0e6fe00a.3c4b.ffffe50f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20120110002609.24ae4f89@wodan> On So, 08.01.2012 23:25, Little Girl wrote: >> Expanded folders are included in the type-ahead search, so >> having everything expanded is especially useful when you already >> know what's there. > >I'm not sure I understand this, since I know what's there, and having >it open isn't necessary if I do. (: I was talking about the type-ahead search. When you start typing a foldername, the next folder starting with that string will be selected, but only if it's actually visible (expanded) in the tree. >> Personally, I always move messages with by Ctrl-O plus typing a few >> letters. > >That's the thing. We all have our ways of doing things, and we like >to keep doing them that way. I use the context menu. You use keyboard >commands. Others drag and drop. It doesn't matter if that dialog is opened via keyboard shortcut or the context menu. It behaves the same way. Holger From berndth at gmx.de Tue Jan 10 00:18:11 2012 From: berndth at gmx.de (Holger Berndt) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 00:18:11 +0100 Subject: [Users] Control of folder-depth for opening folders in the "Select folder" window when copying or moving messages In-Reply-To: <20120108104840.0d0543d9@efreet.linux> References: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> <20120108142442.7345204e@wodan> <20120108104840.0d0543d9@efreet.linux> Message-ID: <20120110001811.7f4c249f@wodan> On So, 08.01.2012 10:48, Kevin Nathan wrote: > > >I sure wish we could go back to the 'directory' name instead of the >silly 'folder' name. ( from one who started on computers before >there ever *was* an IBM-PC... :-) > > That a folder is internally represented by a filesystem directory is merely an implementation detail (and may even differ from storage backend to storage backend). Holger From littlergirl at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 05:12:33 2012 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 23:12:33 -0500 Subject: [Users] Control of folder-depth for opening folders in the "Select folder" window when copying or moving messages In-Reply-To: <20120110002609.24ae4f89@wodan> References: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> <20120108142442.7345204e@wodan> <4f0a6c2a.0e6fe00a.3c4b.ffffe50f@mx.google.com> <20120110002609.24ae4f89@wodan> Message-ID: <4f0bbab1.0e6fe00a.3c4b.7267@mx.google.com> Hey there, Holger Berndt wrote: > Little Girl wrote: > >> Expanded folders are included in the type-ahead search, so > >> having everything expanded is especially useful when you already > >> know what's there. > >I'm not sure I understand this, since I know what's there, and > >having it open isn't necessary if I do. (: > I was talking about the type-ahead search. When you start typing a > foldername, the next folder starting with that string will be > selected, but only if it's actually visible (expanded) in the tree. Ah, okay, thanks for the explanation. > >> Personally, I always move messages with by Ctrl-O plus typing a > >> few letters. > >That's the thing. We all have our ways of doing things, and we like > >to keep doing them that way. I use the context menu. You use > >keyboard commands. Others drag and drop. > It doesn't matter if that dialog is opened via keyboard shortcut or > the context menu. It behaves the same way. Well then, I wish to play God with the same window you use, and my feature request would be optional, so that you would use the default setting of all folders opening and I would forbid all but one folder from opening and only allow one level of folders to open in it. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 10 05:17:39 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:17:39 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 1924] Messages marked move to Trash appear identical to messages marked move to $FOLDER In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120110041739.E834D200E2@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1924 --- Comment #17 from Little Girl 2012-01-10 05:17:39 --- Thank you! I'll check it out (and most likely close this enhancement request) when the next version is released since I don't use the CVS version. (: -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From sylpheed-claws-users at lists.evervoid.net Tue Jan 10 10:27:09 2012 From: sylpheed-claws-users at lists.evervoid.net (Steve Braun) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:27:09 +0100 Subject: [Users] GData plugin: contact limit not enough In-Reply-To: <20111231015301.0cdce3c8@wodan> References: <20111228153429.75109d06@stargazer> <20111229140345.4fc2f4fd@wodan> <20111230204854.0fe75c30@stargazer> <20111231015301.0cdce3c8@wodan> Message-ID: <20120110102709.7bf15f86@stargazer> Holger Berndt (31.12.2011, 01:53:01): >If you're able to compile from cvs, and if you have libgdata >= 0.9.1 >available, I'd be interested if plugin version 0.3cvs3 works for you >(check the network log how many contacts are received - it should drop >to what you have in your addressbook). Sorry for the late reply, but I wasn't able to test it earlier. By now your plugin version was 0.3cvs6 and my libgdata version was 0.10.1 (Debian Sid). I can confirm that the number of "added X of Y contacts" it showed on the debug log was exactly the same as the number of contacts having email addresses out of the ones being in the "My Contacts" group. It first was a bit confusing, because if you add one of your g+ contacts to "MyContacts" Googles shows also their connected email address on the web interface. Your plugin doesn't fetch these addresses, but since these addresses don't even show up in my Android phone, I don't see any problem here. One has to manually edit these new contacts anyway. So, thanks for your changes. Now it works again as expected. Cheers, Steve From r.brusa at gmx.ch Tue Jan 10 16:30:48 2012 From: r.brusa at gmx.ch (Roman Brusa) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:30:48 +0100 Subject: [Users] "Remove attachments" still causes CM to crash Message-ID: <20120110163048.6b9290b9@rbits.ch> Hi I know, there were several attempts to fix those att_remover crashes, but still, I got another one in today an IMAP account with: att_remover 1.0.13 Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i486-pc-linux-gnu) It was a mail with an attached mail, "forward as attachment" from a Thunderbird. FWIW: After the first "Remove attachments..." CM crashed and after restart the message had a little colored dot (don't know what it means). I tried again, CM crashed again and after restart the whole message was *gone*. But I have a similar mail that I could forward for inspection. Roman -- Nobel Prize money is a lifebelt thrown to a swimmer who has already reached the shore in safety. - George Bernard Shaw From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 10 19:29:35 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:29:35 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2355] Embedding external editor through GtkSocket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120110182935.3A63C20171@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2355 --- Comment #3 from Troy 2012-01-10 19:29:34 --- This patch works great. You can't send, send later or save the message as a draft until you quit the embedded editor. That's the same behavior as the old way, it just feels less intuitive since the editor is embedded. That's no show-stopper, just an interesting side effect of the new functionality. Using the external editor shortcut to bounce out of the editor and back up into the header pane makes using an external editor more preferable to the native editor in an entirely different way as well. You don't have to touch the mouse to add or remove recipients from the mail. I hope this patch gets included. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From berndth at gmx.de Tue Jan 10 20:07:14 2012 From: berndth at gmx.de (Holger Berndt) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:07:14 +0100 Subject: [Users] GData plugin: contact limit not enough In-Reply-To: <20120110102709.7bf15f86@stargazer> References: <20111228153429.75109d06@stargazer> <20111229140345.4fc2f4fd@wodan> <20111230204854.0fe75c30@stargazer> <20111231015301.0cdce3c8@wodan> <20120110102709.7bf15f86@stargazer> Message-ID: <20120110200714.5a24cf7d@wodan> On Di, 10.01.2012 10:27, Steve Braun wrote: >So, thanks for your changes. Now it works again as expected. Cool. Thanks for the update! Holger From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 10 20:44:20 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:44:20 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120110194420.CEA2320171@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #23 from pezcurrel 2012-01-10 20:44:20 --- I have the same problem on my desktop pc[*] with a fresh and "all default" ubuntu 10.04.3 install, with any gtk theme I try. No problems instead on the same machine with ubuntu 11.10, unity and gnome 3 (gtk 3). Seems to me that by now what the setups "suffering" from the bug have all in common is the combination of gtk 2.20.1, glib 2.24.x and an nvidia graphics card (although I have the same bug using fbdev, nouveau and vesa xorg drivers). For Ricardo Mones: do you have an nvidia gc too? [*] OS: Ubuntu 10.04.3 Kernel: Linux 2.6.32-37-generic x86_64 GTK: 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.1 GLib: 2.24.1-0ubuntu1 Gnome 2.30.0-0ubuntu1 Video: nvidia g86 [geforce 8500 gt] (rev a1) -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 10 22:35:20 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:35:20 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120110213520.5D74320171@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #24 from Michael Rasmussen 2012-01-10 22:35:19 --- I can confirm this too. But it does not seem to related to using Nvidia since my Ubuntu 10.04 is running in VirtualBox and the host system have this graphics card: Intel(R) GMA X4500 Video Device To narrow things down I installed a vanilla Debian Stable: System Information GTK+ 2.20.1 / GLib 2.24.2 Locale: en_US.utf8 (charset: UTF-8) Operating System: Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 (x86_64) Identical to Ubuntu 10.04. And build claws-mail-3.8.0. The results was the same as with Ubuntu - black lines below text. Using the vertical ruler will redraw the lines correct. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 11 08:32:32 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:32:32 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120111073232.850DA20216@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #25 from Paul 2012-01-11 08:32:32 --- I tested the various themes listed above, no problems with any. Each of you with the problem is listing GTK+ 2.20.1 / GLib 2.24.2. I guess you are also all using libcairo 1.8.10. Here I've got GTK+ 2.24.6 GLib 2.30.0 Cairo 1.10.2 and everything is sweet. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From johnxj at comcast.net Wed Jan 11 09:17:02 2012 From: johnxj at comcast.net (John Jason Jordan) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 00:17:02 -0800 Subject: [Users] Opening link in Firefox Message-ID: <20120111001702.407e132a@mailhost.pdx.edu> I have Claws Mail 3.7.1.0 and Firefox 9.0 on Fedora 16, x86_64, both installed from the repositories. I have used both for many years, although I switched to Claws Mail from Sylpheed only a couple years ago. It used to be that when I clicked on a link in an e-mail it would open the link in a new tab in Firefox. Now it opens the link in the most recently used tab in Firefox, even if that tab is being used for another web page. This means that I have to use the back arrow to get back the previous page that was in that tab, open a new, blank tab, then go back to Claws Mail and click on the link again (or copy and paste) in order to get the link in the new tab. I don't know if the problem is in Claws Mail or in Firefox. I want to restore the previous action where Claws Mail would always open a new tab before opening the link. Does anyone know where to start looking for how to do this? From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 11 09:34:38 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:34:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120111083439.1C89420216@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #26 from Ricardo Mones 2012-01-11 09:34:38 --- What Paul says matches here: I'm using a backported libcairo2 (1.10.2-6~bpo60) on my stable systems (because of using a backported iceweasel) and dont' see the problem. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From tomashleyjr at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 12:46:59 2012 From: tomashleyjr at gmail.com (Tom Ashley) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 06:46:59 -0500 Subject: [Users] Opening link in Firefox In-Reply-To: <20120111001702.407e132a@mailhost.pdx.edu> References: <20120111001702.407e132a@mailhost.pdx.edu> Message-ID: <20120111064659.2fcddaf8@tomshome.tomshome> On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 00:17:02 -0800 John Jason Jordan wrote: > I have Claws Mail 3.7.1.0 and Firefox 9.0 on Fedora 16, x86_64, both > installed from the repositories. I have used both for many years, > although I switched to Claws Mail from Sylpheed only a couple years > ago. > > It used to be that when I clicked on a link in an e-mail it would open > the link in a new tab in Firefox. Now it opens the link in the most > recently used tab in Firefox, even if that tab is being used for > another web page. This means that I have to use the back arrow to get > back the previous page that was in that tab, open a new, blank tab, > then go back to Claws Mail and click on the link again (or copy and > paste) in order to get the link in the new tab. > > I don't know if the problem is in Claws Mail or in Firefox. I want to > restore the previous action where Claws Mail would always open a new > tab before opening the link. Does anyone know where to start > looking for how to do this? > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users This worked for me: Open about:config in browser (firefox) and find this key: browser.tabs.loadDivertedInBackground. Change setting to true. Now when clicking email link, browser window should open in new tab in browser's existing workspace. HTH -- Tom Ashley From stephan at holl-land.de Wed Jan 11 14:43:34 2012 From: stephan at holl-land.de (Stephan Holl) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:43:34 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2355] Embedding external editor through GtkSocket In-Reply-To: <20120102034515.9C11520386@paperstreet.colino.net> References: <20120102034515.9C11520386@paperstreet.colino.net> Message-ID: <20120111144334.36ca2784@euarne.hq.intevation.de> Hello noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk, noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk, [20120102 - 04:45:15] > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2355 > > > > > > --- Comment #2 from David Schneider 2012-01-02 04:45:15 --- > Created an attachment (id=1056) > --> > (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1056) > Implementation of the GtkSocket feature > > Found time to code it! It didn't take very long. > Feedback welcome/requested. > Excellent feature, really love it. Prepare a specialized .vimrc for this instance and you have your beloved editor embedded within CM compose-window. THanks for implementing it, hope getting it upstream! Stephan -- Wo ist meine Sigg? Da: http://www.holl-land.de/~sholl/sig.jpg From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Wed Jan 11 19:33:50 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:33:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120111183350.BBBC320216@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #27 from pezcurrel 2012-01-11 19:33:50 --- For Michael Rasmussen: > Using the vertical ruler will redraw the lines correct. What's the vertical ruler, how can one activate it? Anyway, could it be a reasonable solution to make the cairo focus rectangle drawing active by default but disableable even with just a clawsrc option, and make a new build for ubuntu ppa? As I wrote before, here (and maybe on most or all setups?) focus can be seen even without the focus rectangle, by the different background color of selected heading(s), as it was in previous versions. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From codejodler at gmx.ch Thu Jan 12 00:37:30 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:37:30 +0100 Subject: [Users] Opening link in Firefox In-Reply-To: <20120111064659.2fcddaf8@tomshome.tomshome> References: <20120111001702.407e132a@mailhost.pdx.edu> <20120111064659.2fcddaf8@tomshome.tomshome> Message-ID: <20120112003730.07908a4e@mirrors.kernel.org> This setting should be accessible from the firefox preferences window Edit -> Preferences -> Tabs -> Open new window in new tab btw if you need something more complicated: It is always possible to put path to a custom shell script into the 'browser' field, and then have that script decide what to do based on the URL (or whatever.) A wrapper, that is. For example, i mangle URLs to cut off some tracker data. From danlyke at flutterby.com Wed Jan 11 23:50:28 2012 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:50:28 -0800 Subject: [Users] Just got a crash dump from Claws CVS, anyone interested in deciphering it? In-Reply-To: <20120106182918.0ccebbd8@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20120106182918.0ccebbd8@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20120111145028.717ab59f@daisies> On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:29:18 +0000 Brian Morrison wrote: > Backtrace follows: I believe it's a bug in libtls, I think it's even been fixed in the latest versions, and I keep waiting for the patch to come downstream in Ubuntu and I haven't seen it yet. But it causes several crashes every day for me. Dan From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Jan 12 00:48:12 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:48:12 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120111234812.50D1D20216@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #28 from Michael Rasmussen 2012-01-12 00:48:11 --- I just did a backport of cairo-1.10.2-6.2 to Debian squeeze which also includes installing the backports of libpixman-1-0.24. Rebuild claws against cairo-1.10.2-6.2 did not solve the problem. So Mones, you must have something else changed/backported as well. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From codejodler at gmx.ch Thu Jan 12 00:53:08 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:53:08 +0100 Subject: [Users] Control of folder-depth for opening folders in the "Select folder" window when copying or moving messages In-Reply-To: <4f08deb4.0e6fe00a.3c4b.6473@mx.google.com> References: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> <20120107102350.3b3bc7f0@thewildbeast> <4f08deb4.0e6fe00a.3c4b.6473@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20120112005308.1e8e96e7@mirrors.kernel.org> > I don't actually drag my messages into folders. I should have said > when I right-click and choose Copy... or Move... from the context > menu that comes up. So we are talking about the Ctrl+O thing :) Let me just remind you that there are still many flaky or too-small (netbook) touchpads out, and if i had no mouse i would use Ctrol+O instead. So that feature is worth to be optimized. I am not sure what's more usable but to have it open the same folder state as in the main window would at least be more intuitive and maybe less confusing (if you have dozens or hundreds of folders.) Wouldn't the type-ahead thing be more useful, with that feature implemented, if it worked on hidden folders as well ? From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Jan 12 01:48:03 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:48:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120112004803.9FC8220216@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #29 from Michael Rasmussen 2012-01-12 01:48:03 --- I was jumping to conclusions, a reboot after the backport of cairo-1.10.2-6.2 did the trick:-) QeD. cairo-1.8.10 contains a bug! However, fixing this seems to be a dead end. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From andrej at kacian.sk Thu Jan 12 01:43:17 2012 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:43:17 +0100 Subject: [Users] Opening link in Firefox In-Reply-To: <20120112003730.07908a4e@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120111001702.407e132a@mailhost.pdx.edu> <20120111064659.2fcddaf8@tomshome.tomshome> <20120112003730.07908a4e@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120112014317.39baec17@penny> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:37:30 +0100 Michael wrote: > This setting should be accessible from the firefox preferences window > Edit -> Preferences -> Tabs -> Open new window in new tab > > btw if you need something more complicated: It is always possible to put > path to a custom shell script into the 'browser' field, and then have that > script decide what to do based on the URL (or whatever.) A wrapper, that is. > For example, i mangle URLs to cut off some tracker data. "/path/to/firefox --new-tab %s" should do what you need. Or, if you are running firefox under a different user account: /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/mozilla-xremote-client -u weber -a any "openURL(%s,new-tab)" Regards, -- Andrej Kacian From johnxj at comcast.net Thu Jan 12 02:46:50 2012 From: johnxj at comcast.net (John Jason Jordan) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:46:50 -0800 Subject: [Users] Opening link in Firefox In-Reply-To: <20120111064659.2fcddaf8@tomshome.tomshome> References: <20120111001702.407e132a@mailhost.pdx.edu> <20120111064659.2fcddaf8@tomshome.tomshome> Message-ID: <20120111174650.0bbdf896@mailhost.pdx.edu> On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 06:46:59 -0500 Tom Ashley dijo: >On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 00:17:02 -0800 >John Jason Jordan wrote: >> It used to be that when I clicked on a link in an e-mail it would >> open the link in a new tab in Firefox. Now it opens the link in the >> most recently used tab in Firefox, even if that tab is being used for >> another web page. This means that I have to use the back arrow to get >> back the previous page that was in that tab, open a new, blank tab, >> then go back to Claws Mail and click on the link again (or copy and >> paste) in order to get the link in the new tab. >Open about:config in browser (firefox) and find this key: >browser.tabs.loadDivertedInBackground. Change setting to true. Now >when clicking email link, browser window should open in new tab in >browser's existing workspace. That didn't work. But Michael's suggestion to use the Firefox Preferences window got me most of the way to a solution. By checking "open in a new tab" the link now opens and loads into a new tab. Oddly, links within Firefox still opened in a new tab by default, even without that button checked. The only thing that is still not working properly is that Firefox is not shifting focus to the new tab. Although a pretty minor issue, it used to open the link in a new tab and shift the focus to the new tab. FWIW, in Claws Mail preferences External Programs, the web browser tab is set to "firefox '%'." I am wondering if tweaking this might make it work better. From littlergirl at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 03:46:17 2012 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:46:17 -0500 Subject: [Users] Control of folder-depth for opening folders in the "Select folder" window when copying or moving messages In-Reply-To: <20120112005308.1e8e96e7@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <4f08034b.85cae00a.3dc5.ffff809d@mx.google.com> <20120107102350.3b3bc7f0@thewildbeast> <4f08deb4.0e6fe00a.3c4b.6473@mx.google.com> <20120112005308.1e8e96e7@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <4f0e497a.c3c5e00a.2954.ffffa9e9@mx.google.com> Hey there, Michael wrote: > Little Girl wrote: > > I don't actually drag my messages into folders. I should have said > > when I right-click and choose Copy... or Move... from the context > > menu that comes up. > So we are talking about the Ctrl+O thing :) Yep, Ctrl+O brings up the Select folder window. > Let me just remind you that there are still many flaky or too-small > (netbook) touchpads out, and if i had no mouse i would use Ctrol+O > instead. So that feature is worth to be optimized. I'm glad to hear it. (: > I am not sure what's more usable but to have it open the same > folder state as in the main window would at least be more intuitive > and maybe less confusing (if you have dozens or hundreds of > folders.) That would certainly be an option if you had full control over which folders are opened and which aren't. > Wouldn't the type-ahead thing be more useful, with that feature > implemented, if it worked on hidden folders as well ? No idea - this would be better answered by those who do that. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Jan 12 03:58:15 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:58:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120112025815.65FF120216@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #30 from Little Girl 2012-01-12 03:58:14 --- I don't think it's libcairo 1.8.10 because I don't have that installed: $ locate 1.8.10 $ dpkg -s cairo Package `cairo' is not installed and no info is available. Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents. $ dpkg -s libcairo Package `libcairo' is not installed and no info is available. Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents. $ locate cairo /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2 /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2.10800.10 /usr/lib/libcairomm-1.0.so.1 /usr/lib/libcairomm-1.0.so.1.4.0 /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.2800.0 /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.2/program/cairocanvas.uno.so /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/cairo /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/cairo/__init__.py /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/cairo/__init__.pyc /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/cairo/_cairo.so /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/gtk-2.0/pangocairo.so /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/cairo /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/cairo/_cairo.so /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.6/gtk-2.0/pangocairo.so /usr/share/app-install/desktop/cairo-clock.desktop /usr/share/app-install/desktop/cairo-dock.desktop /usr/share/app-install/icons/cairo-clock.png /usr/share/doc/libcairo2 /usr/share/doc/libcairomm-1.0-1 /usr/share/doc/python-cairo /usr/share/doc/libcairo2/AUTHORS.gz /usr/share/doc/libcairo2/NEWS.gz /usr/share/doc/libcairo2/README.gz /usr/share/doc/libcairo2/changelog.Debian.gz /usr/share/doc/libcairo2/changelog.gz /usr/share/doc/libcairo2/copyright /usr/share/doc/libcairomm-1.0-1/AUTHORS /usr/share/doc/libcairomm-1.0-1/NEWS.gz /usr/share/doc/libcairomm-1.0-1/README /usr/share/doc/libcairomm-1.0-1/changelog.Debian.gz /usr/share/doc/libcairomm-1.0-1/copyright /usr/share/doc/python-cairo/AUTHORS /usr/share/doc/python-cairo/NEWS.gz /usr/share/doc/python-cairo/README /usr/share/doc/python-cairo/changelog.Debian.gz /usr/share/doc/python-cairo/copyright /usr/share/doc/python-cairo/examples /usr/share/doc/python-cairo/examples/gradient.py /usr/share/doc/python-cairo/examples/hering.py /usr/share/doc/python-cairo/examples/spiral.py /usr/share/doc/python-cairo/examples/warpedtext.py /usr/share/pyshared/cairo /usr/share/pyshared/cairo/__init__.py /usr/share/python-support/python-cairo.public /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcairo2.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcairo2.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcairo2.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcairo2.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcairo2.shlibs /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcairo2.symbols /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcairomm-1.0-1.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcairomm-1.0-1.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcairomm-1.0-1.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcairomm-1.0-1.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcairomm-1.0-1.shlibs /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-cairo.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-cairo.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-cairo.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-cairo.preinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-cairo.prerm -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Thu Jan 12 04:21:27 2012 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:21:27 -0700 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: <20120112025815.65FF120216@paperstreet.colino.net> References: <20120112025815.65FF120216@paperstreet.colino.net> Message-ID: <20120111202127.6defc838@yendi> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:58:15 +0100 (CET) noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: > --- Comment #30 from Little Girl 2012-01-12 03:58:14 --- > I don't think it's libcairo 1.8.10 because I don't have that > installed: Try libcairo2. root at dzur:~# pre cairo libcairo-perl 1.070-1 amd64 libcairo2 1.8.10-6 amd64 libcairomm-1.0-1 1.8.4-3 amd64 python-cairo 1.8.8-1+b1 amd64 root at dzur:~# pre is my own little toy. http://charlescurley.com/blog/archives/2010/04/11/pre_a_package_scanning_script/index.html This is on Debian 6 as updated. -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB From codejodler at gmx.ch Thu Jan 12 04:36:05 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:36:05 +0100 Subject: [Users] Opening link in Firefox In-Reply-To: <20120111174650.0bbdf896@mailhost.pdx.edu> References: <20120111001702.407e132a@mailhost.pdx.edu> <20120111064659.2fcddaf8@tomshome.tomshome> <20120111174650.0bbdf896@mailhost.pdx.edu> Message-ID: <20120112043605.514f8779@mirrors.kernel.org> > Oddly, links within Firefox still opened in a new tab by default, even without > that button checked. Many web pages construct link with specific HTML attributes so they will open in a new window or tab. Not an error but a feature. > The only thing that is still not working properly is that Firefox is not > shifting focus to the new tab. Although a pretty minor issue, it used > to open the link in a new tab and shift the focus to the new tab. My prefs have 'When I open a link in new tab, switch to it immediately' checkbox. > FWIW, in Claws Mail preferences External Programs, the web browser tab > is set to "firefox '%'." I am wondering if tweaking this might make it > work better. That was Andrejs suggestion. From codejodler at gmx.ch Thu Jan 12 04:53:12 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 04:53:12 +0100 Subject: [Users] Moving files In-Reply-To: <4f04c1c6.8546e00a.7dd9.3037@mx.google.com> References: <20120104103638.0a9bdfbb@office> <1e1157215c4dcae15b2880ad081538d3.squirrel@members.tip.net.au> <20120104064049.003f73f7@yendi> <4f04a02c.42c8e00a.05f5.2034@mx.google.com> <20120104195745.6b3ffa8a@sleipner.datanom.net> <4f04c1c6.8546e00a.7dd9.3037@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20120112045312.4cacdddc@mirrors.kernel.org> sed -i need some care (and probably RTFM) since it would not only recognize full words but also word parts. And as M.R. hinted, it generally could change more things than desired. From littlergirl at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 04:56:53 2012 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:56:53 -0500 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: <20120111202127.6defc838@yendi> References: <20120112025815.65FF120216@paperstreet.colino.net> <20120111202127.6defc838@yendi> Message-ID: <4f0e5a05.d4dbe00a.310f.ffffaea5@mx.google.com> Hey there, Charles Curley wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 03:58:15 +0100 (CET) > noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: > > > --- Comment #30 from Little Girl 2012-01-12 03:58:14 --- > > I don't think it's libcairo 1.8.10 because I don't have that > > installed: > Try libcairo2. That turned it up! I'll update the bug report. > pre is my own little toy. > http://charlescurley.com/blog/archives/2010/04/11/pre_a_package_scanning_script/index.html Nice - consider it stolen! (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Jan 12 05:04:38 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 05:04:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2577] Focus rectangle on folder list and message list headings doesn't get properly cleared when switching heading and horizontally scrolling list (underlines and vertical lines remain on screen) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120112040438.5FE7320216@paperstreet.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2577 --- Comment #31 from Little Girl 2012-01-12 05:04:37 --- I spoke too soon. I do have it: libcairo2 version 1.8.10-2ubuntu1 -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From codejodler at gmx.ch Thu Jan 12 05:06:27 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 05:06:27 +0100 Subject: [Users] Attachments multiplied in mimetmp Message-ID: <20120112050627.6c785be3@mirrors.kernel.org> I asked this before but in an unfortunate way. And i wonder if just nobody got the point. So let me repeat the question once more. This issue would certainly need more thorough investigation, possibly with a debugger, but i can not afford to do this. So i just want to point out that the basic issue exists. When i right-click on the first image of several, which are attached to a sent mail, (attachment done by claws itself, when i selected files just as usual.) Then the following happens: (1) The image gets decoded and placed into mimetmp as 00000005..jpg. (2) The same image gets decoded and placed into mimetmp as claws.TtEmbv (or so). If i say 'open with' and choose an image viewer, this happens: Most image viewer programs open the image folder and show all images. So they show me me the redundant files in mimetmp. [ I clarify, there was only one image of that name attached to the mail, along with some other images ] When i change to another mail folder, the redundant images in mimetmp are still there (as seen in a neutral file manager with forced file list update.) But when i change back and repeat the attachment opening, more images of the "0000000..jpg" type are created. Also the "claws.TtEmbv" type is repeated. The existing are not reused. Confusingly, some of the images are cleared sometimes (but never all) when i change folders, but i could not yet understand why and when exactly. To me it appears like random. I guess this is not really the desired behavior, at least partly, but since it does not cause immediate problems, maybe noone noticed. But would it not mean unnecessary resource consumption ? Especially with large files. From sotirakis at laposte.net Thu Jan 12 09:48:00 2012 From: sotirakis at laposte.net (sotirakis at laposte.net) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:48:00 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws in KDE Message-ID: <20120112094800.1c9eac78@manu-laptop> Hi there, Yet another question... Sorry for this, I am trying to re-build the environment I used to have... I use Claws with KDE as window manager. I understood that claws is written in Gtk, and that integration of Gtk in KDE might not be as nice as in a gnome or xfce environemnt - which I can confirm :) Though, is there a way to obtain a claws that doesn't look that much like windows 98? :) thanks for your help! From list at eworm.de Thu Jan 12 09:53:18 2012 From: list at eworm.de (Christian Hesse) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:53:18 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws in KDE In-Reply-To: <20120112094800.1c9eac78@manu-laptop> References: <20120112094800.1c9eac78@manu-laptop> Message-ID: <20120112095318.2330149d@leda.vpn.lugor.de> sotirakis at laposte.net on Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:48:00 +0100: > Hi there, > > Yet another question... > Sorry for this, I am trying to re-build the environment I used to have... > > I use Claws with KDE as window manager. I understood that claws is written > in Gtk, and that integration of Gtk in KDE might not be as nice as in a > gnome or xfce environemnt - which I can confirm :) > > Though, is there a way to obtain a claws that doesn't look that much like > windows 98? :) Before I switched to xfce I used 'gtk-chtheme' to adjust the gtk+2 themes. -- Schoene Gruesse Chris O< ascii ribbon campaign stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org From sotirakis at laposte.net Thu Jan 12 10:06:54 2012 From: sotirakis at laposte.net (sotirakis at laposte.net) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 10:06:54 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws in KDE In-Reply-To: <20120112095318.2330149d@leda.vpn.lugor.de> References: <20120112094800.1c9eac78@manu-laptop> <20120112095318.2330149d@leda.vpn.lugor.de> Message-ID: <20120112100654.7dc034aa@manu-laptop> Le Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:53:18 +0100, Christian Hesse a écrit : > 'gtk-chtheme' thanks for the tip :) another great tool I'll keep in mind! From stephan at holl-land.de Fri Jan 13 12:55:13 2012 From: stephan at holl-land.de (Stephan Holl) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:55:13 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2355] Embedding external editor through GtkSocket In-Reply-To: <20120102034515.9C11520386@paperstreet.colino.net> References: <20120102034515.9C11520386@paperstreet.colino.net> Message-ID: <20120113125513.034f3466@euarne.hq.intevation.de> Hello noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk, noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk, [20120102 - 04:45:15] > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2355 > > > > > > --- Comment #2 from David Schneider 2012-01-02 04:45:15 --- > Created an attachment (id=1056) > --> > (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1056) > Implementation of the GtkSocket feature > > Found time to code it! It didn't take very long. > Feedback welcome/requested. One drawback: Not alle keystrokes get passed through to gvim. But perhaps there is an option to set as well? Best Stephan -- Wo ist meine Sigg? Da: http://www.holl-land.de/~sholl/sig.jpg From lainecliff at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 13:25:17 2012 From: lainecliff at gmail.com (Cliff Laine) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:25:17 +0000 Subject: [Users] Underlining when using up arrow key Message-ID: <20120113122517.66b47861@mepis1> Dear All Moving through the message list with the up arrow produces lines under the messages which are then removed if one moves down with the down arrow key. Is this normal behaviour? http://loobynet.co.uk/media/claws.lines.png Cliff CM 3.8.0 / Mepis 8.5 From lainecliff at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 13:31:57 2012 From: lainecliff at gmail.com (Cliff Laine) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:31:57 +0000 Subject: [Users] Underlining when using up arrow key In-Reply-To: <20120113122517.66b47861@mepis1> References: <20120113122517.66b47861@mepis1> Message-ID: <20120113123157.60784d6f@mepis1> I beg your pardon! Just seen the thread about this. Cliff On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:25:17 +0000 Cliff Laine wrote: > Dear All > > Moving through the message list with the up arrow produces lines under > the messages which are then removed if one moves down with the down > arrow key. Is this normal behaviour? > > http://loobynet.co.uk/media/claws.lines.png > > Cliff > CM 3.8.0 / Mepis 8.5 From rennabh at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 22:39:07 2012 From: rennabh at gmail.com (Renato) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:39:07 +0100 Subject: [Users] gmal SSL certificate update Message-ID: <20120113223907.3990a61b@gmail.com> Hello, yesterday and today, recieving and sending email, claws asked me several times (at least 3) to accept a new SSL certificate from gmail. I know practically nothing about networks and security: should I worry about someone sniffing on my wifi or is this something that happens? I apologize if this too OT on this list. best wishes, renato From lainecliff at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 23:01:03 2012 From: lainecliff at gmail.com (Cliff Laine) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:01:03 +0000 Subject: [Users] gmal SSL certificate update In-Reply-To: <20120113223907.3990a61b@gmail.com> References: <20120113223907.3990a61b@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120113220103.4cb2f9aa@mepis1> On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:39:07 +0100 Renato wrote: > Hello, yesterday and today, recieving and sending email, claws asked > me several times (at least 3) to accept a new SSL certificate from > gmail. > > I know practically nothing about networks and security: should I worry > about someone sniffing on my wifi or is this something that happens? > > I apologize if this too OT on this list. > I was just going to raise the same question. My home internet is very unreliable, with frequent dropouts throughout the day. Every time I reconnect it asks me to accept a new SSL cert from gmail. Cliff From info at troyvit.com Fri Jan 13 23:12:37 2012 From: info at troyvit.com (Troy Vitullo) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:12:37 -0700 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2355] Embedding external editor through GtkSocket In-Reply-To: <20120113125513.034f3466@euarne.hq.intevation.de> References: <20120102034515.9C11520386@paperstreet.colino.net> <20120113125513.034f3466@euarne.hq.intevation.de> Message-ID: <20120113151237.4c408232@hrafn> On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:55:13 +0100 Stephan Holl wrote: > Hello noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk, > > noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk, [20120102 - 04:45:15] > > > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2355 > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Comment #2 from David Schneider 2012-01-02 04:45:15 --- > > Created an attachment (id=1056) > > --> > > (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1056) > > Implementation of the GtkSocket feature > > > > Found time to code it! It didn't take very long. > > Feedback welcome/requested. > > One drawback: Not alle keystrokes get passed through to gvim. But > perhaps there is an option to set as well? > > Best > > Stephan > > Stephan, I'm curious. What keystrokes don't make it through? Troy From brad at fineby.me.uk Fri Jan 13 23:08:36 2012 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:08:36 +0000 Subject: [Users] gmal SSL certificate update In-Reply-To: <20120113223907.3990a61b@gmail.com> References: <20120113223907.3990a61b@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120113220836.5c9afe1b@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:39:07 +0100 Renato wrote: Hello Renato, > Hello, yesterday and today, recieving and sending email, claws asked me > several times (at least 3) to accept a new SSL certificate from gmail. It something that happens when google update their certificates. They don't seem to be able to synchronise the operation very well, meaning you see the request over a period of days. Don't worry, nothing nefarious is happening. It is possible to ignore the warning by setting (IIRC) 'skip_ssl_cert_check=1' in clawsrc, but do it whilst CM isn't running. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Life's short, don't make a mess of it No Time To Be 21 - The Adverts -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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To add to Brad's explanation: google use several servers behind the same hostname you connect to (round-robin DNS). That is why you will see these warnings a few times - every time you get directed to different google server. Regards, -- Andrej Kacian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rennabh at gmail.com Sat Jan 14 08:11:42 2012 From: rennabh at gmail.com (Renato) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:11:42 +0100 Subject: [Users] gmal SSL certificate update In-Reply-To: <20120113235650.2c7bc2e1@penny> References: <20120113223907.3990a61b@gmail.com> <20120113220836.5c9afe1b@abydos.stargate.org.uk> <20120113235650.2c7bc2e1@penny> Message-ID: <20120114081142.7fd7d123@gmail.com> On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 23:56:50 +0100 Andrej Kacian wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:08:36 +0000 > Brad Rogers wrote: > > > > Hello, yesterday and today, recieving and sending email, claws > > > asked me several times (at least 3) to accept a new SSL > > > certificate from gmail. > > > > It something that happens when google update their certificates. > > They don't seem to be able to synchronise the operation very well, > > meaning you see the request over a period of days. Don't worry, > > nothing nefarious is happening. > > To add to Brad's explanation: google use several servers behind the > same hostname you connect to (round-robin DNS). That is why you will > see these warnings a few times - every time you get directed to > different google server. > > Regards, Thanks guys for the explanation, I'm reassured now. But since we're talking about this: when I see the request in claws, how can I verify the request is really coming from google? best wishes, renato From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 14 19:35:42 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:35:42 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2579] New: Installed headers redefine autotools-specific constants Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2579 Summary: Installed headers redefine autotools-specific constants Product: Claws Mail Version: CVS Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Other AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: mgorny at gentoo.org Installed claws-mail headers include 'config.h' file with standard autotools PACKAGE_* macros defined. This file is included by various header files which causes the package-specific PACKAGE_* macros to be redefined and throws a lot of compiler warnings like: In file included from src/plugin.c:13: In file included from /usr/include/claws-mail/account.h:26: In file included from /usr/include/claws-mail/prefs_account.h:24: /usr/include/claws-mail/config.h:352:9: warning: 'PACKAGE_NAME' macro redefined #define PACKAGE_NAME "" ^ ./config.h:45:9: note: previous definition is here #define PACKAGE_NAME "claws-mail-gkr" ^ Same goes for version.h. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From richard6601 at gmail.com Sat Jan 14 22:21:56 2012 From: richard6601 at gmail.com (richard allen) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:21:56 +0000 Subject: [Users] ssl certs continuously changing Message-ID: <20120114212156.79a33ed9@ubuntu1004> Hi all, 14-01-2012 New upgrade installed by the standard automatic Ubuntu updating call (ie. same fuctions as Synaptic, which now, after upgrade shows claws-mail version 3.80-1ubuntu1~pp ). Then got very frequent "Changed SSL Certificate" warnings when pop from the several gmail accounts. When I clicked accept then OK but next time I would often get a repeat warning. Screen Capturing the Certificate details showed that 2 different certificates circulating from Known Certificate to New Certificate each time I accepted. Since suspected the claws upgrade I searched web and found:- and at "6.8. Hidden preferences There are a number of hidden preferences in Claws Mail, preferences that some users who we wanted to please couldn't live without, but which did not have a place in the GUI in our opinion. You can find the following, and change them while Claws Mail is not running, in ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc." and in which I found : "unsafe_ssl_certs Allows Claws to remember multiple SSL certificates for a given server/port. This is disabled by default." So set to 1 (as was on 0 ) and now all seems OK. BUT THE OLD CLAWS VERSION BEFORE UPGRADE DID NOT NEED THIS APPARENTLY. Even so Claws is marvellous I reckon. OS Ubuntu 10.04 on PC Richard From brad at fineby.me.uk Sat Jan 14 23:16:17 2012 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:16:17 +0000 Subject: [Users] ssl certs continuously changing In-Reply-To: <20120114212156.79a33ed9@ubuntu1004> References: <20120114212156.79a33ed9@ubuntu1004> Message-ID: <20120114221617.56dd4320@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:21:56 +0000 richard allen wrote: Hello richard, > BUT THE OLD CLAWS VERSION BEFORE UPGRADE DID NOT NEED THIS APPARENTLY. Your change of version of CM and the appearance of the SSL cert warnings at the same time is a coincidence, nothing more. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" An old custom to sell your daughter Hong Kong Garden - Siouxsie & The Banshees -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: not available URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 15 12:27:20 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:27:20 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2580] New: Excessive Changed SSL Certificate dialogs + frozen GUI Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2580 Summary: Excessive Changed SSL Certificate dialogs + frozen GUI Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.7.6 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Other AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: list at qtrac.plus.com For the past 3 days I have had "Changed SSL Certificate" dialogs every 5 mins (i.e., every time Claws tries to retieve emails from googlemail). (1) If I click the Accept and save button after more than a minute or so, the GUI freezes and I have to use xkill & restart claws. (2) If I click the Accept and save button quickly enough everything seems to work. But after 3 days of having this happening all the time it is very aggravating. Couldn't there be an option "Automatically accept changed SSL certificates if the signature status is correct", either globally or per account? Thanks. PS I'm using Debian 6 which is why my claws is a bit old. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 15 14:25:26 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:25:26 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2580] Excessive Changed SSL Certificate dialogs + frozen GUI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120115132526.7BCED85879@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2580 --- Comment #1 from Paul 2012-01-15 14:25:26 --- There is an option, skip_ssl_cert_check, see http://www.claws-mail.org/manual/claws-mail-manual.html#adv_hidden about gmail and certs, see http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2012-January/001096.html -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 15 14:35:05 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:35:05 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2580] Excessive Changed SSL Certificate dialogs + frozen GUI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120115133505.53CB485879@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2580 --- Comment #2 from Paul 2012-01-15 14:35:05 --- I attempted to reproduce the GUI freeze. I waited 8 minutes, but there was no freeze. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 16 08:58:56 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 08:58:56 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2580] Excessive Changed SSL Certificate dialogs + frozen GUI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120116075856.5CAC485882@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2580 Mark Summerfield changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |WORKSFORME --- Comment #3 from Mark Summerfield 2012-01-16 08:58:55 --- I changed the clawsrc file as suggested and that seems to have worked. It worries me a bit that this is a global change. I wish it was more fine-grained, e.g., for a specific site, or at the very least only applied when the certificate's signature is valid. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From sotirakis at laposte.net Mon Jan 16 14:55:46 2012 From: sotirakis at laposte.net (sotirakis at laposte.net) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:55:46 +0100 Subject: [Users] GData module Message-ID: <20120116145546.3a89dd98@manu-laptop> Dear Claws users, I am a recent user of this GData module (thanks to a recent discussion in this list!). Nevertheless, I encounter the following error in the traces: * Module GData : lancement asynchrone de l'identification *** Module GData : erreur d'identification : A CAPTCHA must be filled out to log in. How can I solve this issue? Thanks for your help! All the best for this new year! From stephan at holl-land.de Mon Jan 16 16:26:26 2012 From: stephan at holl-land.de (Stephan Holl) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:26:26 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2355] Embedding external editor through GtkSocket In-Reply-To: <20120113151237.4c408232@hrafn> References: <20120102034515.9C11520386@paperstreet.colino.net> <20120113125513.034f3466@euarne.hq.intevation.de> <20120113151237.4c408232@hrafn> Message-ID: <20120116162626.3a46d3e0@keto> Hallo Troy, Troy Vitullo , [20120113 - 15:12:37] > On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:55:13 +0100 > Stephan Holl wrote: > > > Hello noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk, > > > > noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk, [20120102 - 04:45:15] > > > > > http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2355 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Comment #2 from David Schneider 2012-01-02 04:45:15 --- > > > Created an attachment (id=1056) > > > --> > > > (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1056) > > > Implementation of the GtkSocket feature > > > > > > Found time to code it! It didn't take very long. > > > Feedback welcome/requested. > > > > One drawback: Not alle keystrokes get passed through to gvim. But > > perhaps there is an option to set as well? > > > > Best > > > > Stephan > > > > > > Stephan, > > I'm curious. What keystrokes don't make it through? for example v for vertical column-selection and some other advanced VIM-ing keystrokes. I found some others, but dunno anymore now. Best Stephan -- Wo ist meine Sigg? Da: http://www.holl-land.de/~sholl/sig.jpg From codejodler at gmx.ch Mon Jan 16 17:04:25 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:04:25 +0100 Subject: [Users] Attachments multiplied in mimetmp In-Reply-To: <20120112050627.6c785be3@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120112050627.6c785be3@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120116170425.070ad352@mirrors.kernel.org> For example, i just right-click 'opened' the first image of a series of attached images. (they are not displayed automaticly for me) The viewer, geeqie, opens the mimetemp folder and i looked up the first few images. The first image was there, as 00000071.imagename.jpg, but repeated as claws.kRkMuR.jpg. Then i did something else, and later opened the same mail again, and again 'open' on the first image showed me that series in the viewer, But this time, the first images gets repeated 4 more times (!) in the form of 0000007b.imagename.jpg, with the '7b' part of the name changing to 7c, 7d, 94, 95. (It seems to be hex, not decimal) After i deleted the mail, only claws.kRkMuR.jpg got removed, anything else left in place. Mimetemp gets cleared when i close Claws. Claws version 3.8.0cvs13 GTK+ 2.24.8 / GLib 2.30.2 Locale: en_US.UTF-8 (charset: UTF-8) Operating System: Linux 2.6.39-2-amd64 (x86_64) From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 18 00:53:08 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 00:53:08 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... Message-ID: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> ... when i compose a mail to a group of friends, with one address being invalid, and i get the error message. Is the mail already out to the others, and only not to the invalid recipient ? Or was it stalled altogether ? So, when i edit the single invalid address and resend the complete mail, will it be a nuisance for the others ? From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Wed Jan 18 01:00:49 2012 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 00:00:49 +0000 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 00:53:08 +0100 Michael wrote: > ... when i compose a mail to a group of friends, with one address > being invalid, and i get the error message. Is the mail already out to > the others, and only not to the invalid recipient ? Or was it stalled > altogether ? A properly configured MTA should send the mail to all recipients and only report failure to the failing address, so it knows the Envelope-To: address for each recipient and keeps that separate from the list of addressees on the To: address. I would hope that most ISPs would have properly configured MTAs, but if you run your own it would be up to you to configure it correctly. -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 18 01:19:43 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 01:19:43 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> I sent via bcc, because not all know each others and doing it like this is kind of custom in Germany (if you want to be polite). I guess that makes no difference ? From pezcurrel at tiscali.it Wed Jan 18 12:00:47 2012 From: pezcurrel at tiscali.it (pezcurrel) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:00:47 +0100 Subject: [Users] vCalendar plugin wish: show next meeting Message-ID: <20120118120047.0e6bdfbc@pantagruel.manuelito.lan> Hi, currently, when entering the "Meetings" folder the vCal plugin selects the last set meeting (or shows the week or month with the last set meeting); I think it would be nice if it (optionally?) selected the next meeting (or the week or month with the next meeting) :) Cheers From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Wed Jan 18 15:09:05 2012 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:09:05 +0000 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 01:19:43 +0100 Michael wrote: > > I sent via bcc, because not all know each others and doing it like > this is kind of custom in Germany (if you want to be polite). Absolutely the right way to do it in those circumstances. > I guess that makes no difference ? None, the MTA will be told the envelope addressee when the mail is sent, if there is anything in the Bcc: header it will be used in the same was as the To: and Cc: headers. -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 18 16:11:48 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:11:48 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> So, i need to know how claws is doing it. ....anyone ? From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Wed Jan 18 16:26:07 2012 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:26:07 +0000 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120118152607.5c09f83c@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:11:48 +0100 Michael wrote: > So, i need to know how claws is doing it. > > ....anyone ? Look at the sent folder and use Ctrl-H to view the headers, it will show you what Claws puts in the headers, the MTA reads these and then acts according to its rules. Claws has no influence on the MTA beyond what's in the headers you can see. -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Wed Jan 18 16:48:41 2012 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:48:41 -0700 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:11:48 +0100 Michael wrote: > So, i need to know how claws is doing it. > > ....anyone ? Claws *isn't* doing it. It's up to the Mail Transport Agent (MTA) to do it. -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 18 16:50:27 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:50:27 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118152607.5c09f83c@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118152607.5c09f83c@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20120118165027.07777ff0@mirrors.kernel.org> It does not end up in the 'sent' folder but remains in the queue. There is no Envelope header, and basically (except for default headers and claws internals) no other header then 'To:'. So i guess claws is not sending any part of the mail at all as long there is a single wrong address ? It is the most logical interpretation but somehow i never was sure about it because there always is network traffic, and i wonder what claws is doing. Would claws actually verify any recipient address even on different servers, first, before really sending the mail ? ( I tested this time by sending to some of my own accounts, but they are on the same server. ) From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 18 16:54:27 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:54:27 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> Message-ID: <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> Charles, > Claws *isn't* doing it. It's up to the Mail Transport Agent (MTA) to do > it. So, you believe, the MTA is deciding if to send to those recipients who are ok, and only bounces back the wrong addresses ? I have to explain this is about POP accounts and the error was given by claws in an application popup (not a bounce mail from MTA). From moh at gmx.org Wed Jan 18 16:59:07 2012 From: moh at gmx.org (Steffen Klemer) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:59:07 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120118165907.1d592e1d@moppi.kel.wh.local> Am Wed, 18.01.2012 um 16:54 schrieb Michael : > > Claws *isn't* doing it. It's up to the Mail Transport Agent (MTA) > > to do it. > > So, you believe, the MTA is deciding if to send to those recipients > who are ok, and only bounces back the wrong addresses ? I have to > explain this is about POP accounts and the error was given by claws > in an application popup (not a bounce mail from MTA) Can't you just give the exact error message? lg /Steffen -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 18 17:00:13 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:00:13 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> I did not get any of those mails i sent to myself (for testing). The claws log looks like, [16:57:07] ESMTP> MAIL FROM: SIZE=366 [16:57:07] SMTP< 250 2.1.0 ok {mp067} [16:57:07] SMTP> RCPT TO: [16:57:08] SMTP< 250 2.1.5 ok {mp067} [16:57:08] SMTP> RCPT TO: [16:57:08] SMTP< 550 5.1.1 ... User is unknown {mp067} ** error occurred on SMTP session *** Error occurred while sending the message: 550 5.1.1 ... User is unknown {mp067} with the first address being valid, the second is junk. This was sent with plain 'To' not bcc. From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 18 17:01:39 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:01:39 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118165907.1d592e1d@moppi.kel.wh.local> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118165907.1d592e1d@moppi.kel.wh.local> Message-ID: <20120118170139.4f95cb08@mirrors.kernel.org> Steffen, pls see the other mail. From colin at colino.net Wed Jan 18 17:08:43 2012 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:08:43 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120118170843.22309c12@colin> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:00:13 +0100, Michael wrote: > The claws log looks like, > > [16:57:07] ESMTP> MAIL FROM: SIZE=366 > [16:57:07] SMTP< 250 2.1.0 ok {mp067} > [16:57:07] SMTP> RCPT TO: > [16:57:08] SMTP< 250 2.1.5 ok {mp067} > [16:57:08] SMTP> RCPT TO: > [16:57:08] SMTP< 550 5.1.1 ... User is unknown > {mp067} ** error occurred on SMTP session > *** Error occurred while sending the message: > 550 5.1.1 ... User is unknown {mp067} > > with the first address being valid, the second is junk. In this case (where the error happens during mail submission at RCPT time), the mail is sent to nobody. -- Colin From mir at miras.org Wed Jan 18 17:13:00 2012 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:13:00 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120118171300.04488c14@sleipner.datanom.net> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:00:13 +0100 Michael wrote: > I did not get any of those mails i sent to myself (for testing). > > The claws log looks like, > > [16:57:07] ESMTP> MAIL FROM: SIZE=366 > [16:57:07] SMTP< 250 2.1.0 ok {mp067} > [16:57:07] SMTP> RCPT TO: > [16:57:08] SMTP< 250 2.1.5 ok {mp067} > [16:57:08] SMTP> RCPT TO: > [16:57:08] SMTP< 550 5.1.1 ... User is unknown {mp067} > ** error occurred on SMTP session > *** Error occurred while sending the message: > 550 5.1.1 ... User is unknown {mp067} > > with the first address being valid, the second is junk. > > This was sent with plain 'To' not bcc. Claws have no influence what so ever to was is being sent or not. It is entirely your MTA which desides what to send or not. Claws sends a text stream asking the MTA to act according to claws' _wishes_ but the MTA can overrule any wishes from claws according to its own configuration. If you are unsatisfied with the result of your request to the MTA then you will have to change the configuration of your MTA. -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 18 17:30:01 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:30:01 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118170843.22309c12@colin> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170843.22309c12@colin> Message-ID: <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> > In this case (where the error happens during mail submission at RCPT > time), the mail is sent to nobody. Uhm....i do not understand this. Is that the same as 'not sent' ? And i am not sure what my MTA should be in this case. Doesn't claws send POP mails directly to the providers server ? i.e., my own installed Exim does not have a foot in it. I always was thinking this. I mean, the claws installation package does not even recommend a MTA (afaiks). But i assume claws, as a MUA, can not be interpreted as to be the MTA too ? So the MTA is is just the remote mail server (gmx here) ? But if it is this instance which decides, then wasn't my mail already fully received by that server ? But why did claws then leave it in queue, and why is there no bounce from the mail server, but internal error popup instead. I am sorry for this confusing mess of knowledge white spots, but perhaps someone can explain it to me. From mir at miras.org Wed Jan 18 17:34:01 2012 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:34:01 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170843.22309c12@colin> <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120118173401.569ab7aa@sleipner.datanom.net> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:30:01 +0100 Michael wrote: > But if it is this instance which decides, then wasn't my mail already fully received by that server ? > It was, but after the server read the instructions it rejected to do any more with your request. > But why did claws then leave it in queue, and why is there no bounce from the mail server, but internal error popup instead. > Claws keeps the mail in the queue because your MTA rejected to send your email. If claws did not keep your mail in the queue it would have been lost forever. -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Wed Jan 18 17:36:25 2012 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:36:25 +0000 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170843.22309c12@colin> <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120118163625.7bb2ba8a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:30:01 +0100 Michael wrote: > > > In this case (where the error happens during mail submission at RCPT > > time), the mail is sent to nobody. > > Uhm....i do not understand this. Is that the same as 'not sent' ? > > And i am not sure what my MTA should be in this case. Doesn't claws send POP mails directly to the providers server ? i.e., my own installed Exim does not have a foot in it. I always was thinking this. I mean, the claws installation package does not even recommend a MTA (afaiks). > > But i assume claws, as a MUA, can not be interpreted as to be the MTA too ? So the MTA is is just the remote mail server (gmx here) ? > > But if it is this instance which decides, then wasn't my mail already fully received by that server ? > > But why did claws then leave it in queue, and why is there no bounce from the mail server, but internal error popup instead. > > I am sorry for this confusing mess of knowledge white spots, but perhaps someone can explain it to me. What do you have filled in for the outgoing mail server in the account that is failing? You must have an SMTP server defined for outgoing mail, you can't just expect it to be sent by a POP3 server. -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From moh at gmx.org Wed Jan 18 18:07:09 2012 From: moh at gmx.org (Steffen Klemer) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:07:09 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170843.22309c12@colin> <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120118180709.5657f592@moppi.kel.wh.local> Am Wed, 18.01.2012 um 17:30 schrieb Michael : > But i assume claws, as a MUA, can not be interpreted as to be the MTA > too ? So the MTA is is just the remote mail server (gmx here) ? For GMX I can say for sure that in this case you mail wasn't send at all. They can do this in this case because they know all their users and it seems that mex***@gmx.ch has a typo or so -- and their MTA (the "mailserver") is configured to ignore the complete mail. I saw this message more then once... ;-) lg /Steffen -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 18 18:07:35 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:07:35 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118163625.7bb2ba8a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170843.22309c12@colin> <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118163625.7bb2ba8a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20120118180735.77d97a80@mirrors.kernel.org> > What do you have filled in for the outgoing mail server in the account > that is failing? You must have an SMTP server defined for outgoing > mail, you can't just expect it to be sent by a POP3 server. I understand. So, although SMTP is the same top domain as POP, it is another server (another software application running on that providers' computer). I called the domain just the 'server' but i have to adjust my sloppy usage of this term. Thanks for the clarification. From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 18 18:08:53 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:08:53 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118173401.569ab7aa@sleipner.datanom.net> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170843.22309c12@colin> <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118173401.569ab7aa@sleipner.datanom.net> Message-ID: <20120118180853.319bf0af@mirrors.kernel.org> ok i think i understand this now. Many thanks for the lessons ! :) From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Wed Jan 18 18:18:01 2012 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:18:01 +0000 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118180735.77d97a80@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170843.22309c12@colin> <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118163625.7bb2ba8a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118180735.77d97a80@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120118171801.66b5aaed@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:07:35 +0100 Michael wrote: > So, although SMTP is the same top domain as POP, it is another server > (another software application running on that providers' computer). Yes, POP3 listens on port 110 while SMTP listens on port 25 (usually). Exim provides SMTP as it is an MTA, POP3 will be provided by another application. -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 18 22:16:56 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:16:56 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118171801.66b5aaed@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170843.22309c12@colin> <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118163625.7bb2ba8a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118180735.77d97a80@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118171801.66b5aaed@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20120118221656.79372aa9@mirrors.kernel.org> > Yes, POP3 listens on port 110 while SMTP listens on port 25 (usually). > Exim provides SMTP as it is an MTA, POP3 will be provided by another > application. But, wouldn't it be also logical if POP was just the same MTA working kind of into the other direction ? Or in other words, if POP is not done by the MTA then how it this server called ? Sorry for adding more confusion... From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 18 22:20:57 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:20:57 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118180709.5657f592@moppi.kel.wh.local> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170843.22309c12@colin> <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118180709.5657f592@moppi.kel.wh.local> Message-ID: <20120118222057.551482c3@mirrors.kernel.org> Steffen, I am not sure if i understand what you are saying here...: (1) How do you know how they configured their MTA ? By trial and error, or is there any technical FAQ ? > They can do this in this case because they know all their users (2) But the first mail i sent (originally, the 'real' one to some friends) had several different mail domains as recipient, not only GMX. What is their MTA doing, in this case, for foreign domains ? > I saw this message more then once... ;-) (3) What message do you refer to here ? If that's too much questions and silly me then pls excuse and just explain what you think is important. From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 18 22:39:16 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:39:16 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118221656.79372aa9@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170843.22309c12@colin> <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118163625.7bb2ba8a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118180735.77d97a80@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118171801.66b5aaed@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118221656.79372aa9@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120118223916.333dfdd0@mirrors.kernel.org> I looked into the wikipedia 'Mail_server' and related articles but could not find a statement that clarifies this (simple enough for me). But it say, "An MTA implements both the client (sending) and server (receiving) portions of the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol." and i am wondering if that means the MTA is also doing the POP. The other possibility revealed is a mail submission agent (MSA), but again, i do not really understand the explanations. ps. Funny enough, www.en.wikipedia.org made the todays' emergency redirect (because of the new critical US laws to come) a javascript, so i simply do not see the alert because i have noscript addon in firefox. I wonder if all the >2,000,000 other noscript users simply never see it, and anyone running IExplorer with secure settings. Ö... From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Wed Jan 18 23:00:51 2012 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:00:51 -0700 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118223916.333dfdd0@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170843.22309c12@colin> <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118163625.7bb2ba8a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118180735.77d97a80@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118171801.66b5aaed@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118221656.79372aa9@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118223916.333dfdd0@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120118150051.3c9b29ab@yendi> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:39:16 +0100 Michael wrote: > I looked into the wikipedia 'Mail_server' and related articles but > could not find a statement that clarifies this (simple enough for > me). But it say, "An MTA implements both the client (sending) and > server (receiving) portions of the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol." > and i am wondering if that means the MTA is also doing the POP. SMTP defines transferring mail from one machine to another, so it was used for both directions. POP, a more recent protocol, handles reading mail from a remote server. Since you can also copy it to the local machine, and then delete it on the server, it is used for fetching mail. Usually an MTA handles SMTP only, leaving POP to POP servers and clients. This is consistent with the Unix rule for programs: do one thing and do it very well. The whole MTA/MUA/etc terminology predate POP, so with POP they can be confusing. And IMAP is even later than POP. -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB From codejodler at gmx.ch Wed Jan 18 23:05:55 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:05:55 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118150051.3c9b29ab@yendi> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170843.22309c12@colin> <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118163625.7bb2ba8a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118180735.77d97a80@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118171801.66b5aaed@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118221656.79372aa9@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118223916.333dfdd0@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118150051.3c9b29ab@yendi> Message-ID: <20120118230555.476fe25f@mirrors.kernel.org> Ok, understood. Thank you, Charles. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Jan 19 02:21:40 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:21:40 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2355] Embedding external editor through GtkSocket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120119012140.B969C8582E@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2355 David Schneider changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Version|3.7.8 |3.8.0 -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From moh at gmx.org Thu Jan 19 10:54:40 2012 From: moh at gmx.org (Steffen Klemer) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:54:40 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120118222057.551482c3@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170843.22309c12@colin> <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118180709.5657f592@moppi.kel.wh.local> <20120118222057.551482c3@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120119105440.7a3c4970@moppi.kel.wh.local> Hey Michael, > I am not sure if i understand what you are saying here...: > > (1) How do you know how they configured their MTA ? By trial and > error, or is there any technical FAQ ? Yeah, trial and error - see below. > > They can do this in this case because they know all their users > > (2) But the first mail i sent (originally, the 'real' one to some > friends) had several different mail domains as recipient, not only > GMX. What is their MTA doing, in this case, for foreign domains ? This is not important, they consider the Mail "wrong" if only one of the recipients (they should know off, e.g. it's from @gmx or @web.de) is wrong. > > I saw this message more then once... ;-) > > (3) What message do you refer to here ? I'm referring to the same situation like yours. I send an E-Mail with several recipients, it failed with exact the same error because of a misspelled address to one of the gmx receivers and nobody (neither @gmx nor @whatever) got the mail. lg /Steffen -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Thu Jan 19 13:30:46 2012 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:30:46 +0000 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120119105440.7a3c4970@moppi.kel.wh.local> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170843.22309c12@colin> <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118180709.5657f592@moppi.kel.wh.local> <20120118222057.551482c3@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120119105440.7a3c4970@moppi.kel.wh.local> Message-ID: <20120119123046.7617325f@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:54:40 +0100 Steffen Klemer wrote: > I'm referring to the same situation like yours. I send an E-Mail with > several recipients, it failed with exact the same error because of a > misspelled address to one of the gmx receivers and nobody (neither @gmx > nor @whatever) got the mail. Then their MTAs are misconfigured, each addressee should be considered as a separate transaction. Failing the whole message because 1 address is incorrect is not a sensible way of doing things. -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From codejodler at gmx.ch Thu Jan 19 13:31:44 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:31:44 +0100 Subject: [Users] What happens ... In-Reply-To: <20120119105440.7a3c4970@moppi.kel.wh.local> References: <20120118005308.5e5245da@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118000049.5f5ac90a@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118011943.318bf40a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118140905.0136e5b1@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> <20120118161148.16379e83@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118084841.793fa990@yendi> <20120118165427.0115b704@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170013.26e58a8e@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118170843.22309c12@colin> <20120118173001.7b5fa979@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120118180709.5657f592@moppi.kel.wh.local> <20120118222057.551482c3@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120119105440.7a3c4970@moppi.kel.wh.local> Message-ID: <20120119133144.5356036f@mirrors.kernel.org> Steffen, Many thanks. It happened many more times to me in the past, too, but only now i suddenly wondered if just nobody complained because they wanted to be polite. Now i am relieved ! From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Thu Jan 19 14:05:15 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:05:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2581] New: expander arrows are too tiny to hit with the mouse Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2581 Summary: expander arrows are too tiny to hit with the mouse Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: horsley1953 at gmail.com I'm not sure when this changed, but in the 3.8.0 claws-mail I have installed from the fedora 16 repos, the little tiny black arrows you need to hit to do things like expand or collapse a folder are so microscopically small, I usually miss them when trying to click on them. There is a vast amount of space available for the tiny arrows to draw in. If you really like the tiny arrows, why not at least make the actual icons be bigger with transparent space around them so I could just click somewhere near them without having to hit the microscopic dot exactly on top of it. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From sylpheed at 911networks.com Thu Jan 19 23:19:38 2012 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:19:38 -0800 Subject: [Users] Filtering on language Message-ID: <20120119141938.5dadba0d@from-theboss.911networks.com> Hi, I get a lot of spam in Russian. In anyway, I think since I can't read Russian. It's mailed from a form so: > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit > X-Mailer: Drupal That's from the header > > знакомства в гродно mamba > > журнал мой мир > > http://cqnnsnu.hostingsociety.com/opera-mini-dlja-nokia-5230.html > opera mini для нокиа 5230 > > mail ru андроид > > чат вконтакте That's within the body of the message. Is there a way of filtering on a specific language or any language that that is not English or French be sent to the trash? -- Thanks http://www.911networks.com When the network has to work From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Jan 20 00:25:14 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:25:14 +0100 Subject: [Users] Filtering on language In-Reply-To: <20120119141938.5dadba0d@from-theboss.911networks.com> References: <20120119141938.5dadba0d@from-theboss.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20120120002514.1ec19387@mirrors.kernel.org> http://linux.die.net/man/1/enca tries something like that. You need to train it. Otherwise you can at least simply filter for mails containing just some typical Kyrillic or Asian characters (just the occurrence.) From sylpheed at 911networks.com Fri Jan 20 02:00:26 2012 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:00:26 -0800 Subject: [Users] Filtering on language In-Reply-To: <20120120002514.1ec19387@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120119141938.5dadba0d@from-theboss.911networks.com> <20120120002514.1ec19387@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120119170026.6451c312@from-theboss.911networks.com> On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:25:14 +0100 Michael wrote: >http://linux.die.net/man/1/enca tries something like that. You need >to train it. Otherwise you can at least simply filter for mails >containing just some typical Kyrillic or Asian characters (just the >occurrence.) The problem is that since I don't know the language, I don't know what the equivalent of the common vowels: "aeiou" -- Thanks http://www.911networks.com When the network has to work From sylpheed at 911networks.com Fri Jan 20 05:51:07 2012 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:51:07 -0800 Subject: [Users] Big screwup, reassigned key by mistake Message-ID: <20120119205107.73e3c56d@from-theboss.911networks.com> Hi, I wasn't paying attention, I was in the Compose Message > Edit > and wanted to disable the "Auto-wrapping" and instead press the "Delete" key. Now the auto-wrap on/off is assigned to the delete key. How do I remove the assignment? -- Thanks http://www.911networks.com When the network has to work From johnxj at comcast.net Fri Jan 20 06:11:22 2012 From: johnxj at comcast.net (John Jason Jordan) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:11:22 -0800 Subject: [Users] Filtering on language In-Reply-To: <20120119170026.6451c312@from-theboss.911networks.com> References: <20120119141938.5dadba0d@from-theboss.911networks.com> <20120120002514.1ec19387@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120119170026.6451c312@from-theboss.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20120119211122.0f791807@mailhost.pdx.edu> On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:00:26 -0800 sylpheed at 911networks.com dijo: >The problem is that since I don't know the language, I don't know >what the equivalent of the common vowels: "aeiou" Wikipedia will give you the breakdown on the phonology of just about any language, together with the writing system. I have found a more efficient method. Every time I get a spam in a language that I do not know, I just copy and paste some of the words into a filter rule. Spam that contains the message in English as well is especially helpful, as it acts as a Rosetta stone, allowing me to select the foreign term for things like "sexy," "lingerie," and the like. It doesn't take long before you have enough rules to block almost all the spam arriving in the various languages. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 20 08:17:51 2012 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:17:51 +0000 Subject: [Users] Big screwup, reassigned key by mistake In-Reply-To: <20120119205107.73e3c56d@from-theboss.911networks.com> References: <20120119205107.73e3c56d@from-theboss.911networks.com> Message-ID: <20120120071751.79031b1a@thewildbeast> On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:51:07 -0800 sylpheed at 911networks.com wrote: > Now the auto-wrap on/off is assigned to the delete key. How do I > remove the assignment? http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Interface#How_can_I_change_the_key-bindings_.28hot-keys.29_in_Claws_Mail.3F "If you want to remove the key binding, do the same thing [as assigning a key binding], but press the "delete" key on the menu-item." with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From codejodler at gmx.ch Fri Jan 20 09:14:24 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:14:24 +0100 Subject: [Users] Big screwup, reassigned key by mistake In-Reply-To: <20120120071751.79031b1a@thewildbeast> References: <20120119205107.73e3c56d@from-theboss.911networks.com> <20120120071751.79031b1a@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20120120091424.6800e95c@mirrors.kernel.org> btw, when i de-select 'Enable customize shortcuts' in the preferences, does it preserve my modifications (i.e., just block any further changes) ? From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 20 12:23:15 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:23:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2582] New: expanded mimeview drag'n'drop no longer works Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2582 Summary: expanded mimeview drag'n'drop no longer works Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI/Message View AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: mschwendt at gmail.com CC: andreas.bierfert at lowlatency.de https://bugzilla.redhat.com/783399 Last version where it worked: 3.7.10 It could be that this is related to the Gtk+ 3 port of mimeview.c, but there have been other changes in that file, too. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 20 12:33:25 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:33:25 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2582] expanded mimeview drag'n'drop no longer works In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120120113325.3722F855CB@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2582 --- Comment #1 from Michael Schwendt 2012-01-20 12:33:24 --- Oops, meant 3.7.10cvs83 (Port MimeView to GtkTreeView) not Gtk+ 3, of course. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 20 19:31:27 2012 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:31:27 +0000 Subject: [Users] Big screwup, reassigned key by mistake In-Reply-To: <20120120091424.6800e95c@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120119205107.73e3c56d@from-theboss.911networks.com> <20120120071751.79031b1a@thewildbeast> <20120120091424.6800e95c@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120120183127.2875dc1e@thewildbeast> On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:14:24 +0100 Michael wrote: > btw, when i de-select 'Enable customize shortcuts' in the > preferences, does it preserve my modifications (i.e., just block > any further changes) ? Yes, your modifications are preserved. It just means you can't change them whilst the option is off. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 21 03:54:36 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 03:54:36 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2583] New: if NetworkManager is not running claws hangs for 30 seconds at startup and shutdown Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2583 Summary: if NetworkManager is not running claws hangs for 30 seconds at startup and shutdown Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Other AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: horsley1953 at gmail.com I wanted to take a look at building claws-mail from the source rpm on my fedora 16 system, so I installed the source rpm and all the development packages that needs to suck in. One of those packages dragged in NetworkManager. (I had previously erase it because it caused so many problems just like this :-). That left my machine in the state of NetworkManager installed, but not running. When I started claws-mail, nothing showed up for 30 seconds. I ran an strace and found this nonsense: 21:25:23.974684 socket(PF_FILE, SOCK_STREAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC, 0) = 7 21:25:23.974732 connect(7, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket"}, 33) = 0 ... 21:25:24.124108 sendmsg(7, {msg_name(0)=NULL, msg_iov(2)=[{"l\1\0\1#\0\0\0\5\0\0\0\177\0\0\0\1\1o\0\25\0\0\0/org/fre"..., 144}, {"\36\0\0\0org.freedesktop.NetworkManag"..., 35}], msg_controllen=0, msg_flags=0}, MSG_NOSIGNAL) = 179 ... 21:25:24.124718 poll([{fd=7, events=POLLIN}], 1, 25000) = 1 ([{fd=7, revents=POLLIN}]) 21:25:49.126227 recvmsg(7, {msg_name(0)=NULL, msg_iov(1)=[{"l\3\1\1;\0\0\0\5\0\0\0m\0\0\0\6\1s\0\7\0\0\0:1.1817\0"..., 2048}], msg_controllen=0, msg_flags=MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC}, MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC) = 187 That opens a dbus connection, then eventually tries to talk about network manager to dbus, then finally hits the last poll shown which takes from 25:24 to 25:49 to return. It would be nice if all the HAVE_NETWORKMANAGER_SUPPORT code was not only ifdefed, but also checked a runtime flag so I could set a preference or option to tell claws to forget the furshlugginer NetworkManager. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 21 04:38:55 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 04:38:55 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2581] expander arrows are too tiny to hit with the mouse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120121033855.1AB2E855CB@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2581 --- Comment #1 from Tom Horsley 2012-01-21 04:38:54 --- Having valiantly ploughed through the claws source code, I'm guessing that what I really want is for the ctree_is_hot_spot routine to give me some slack. I don't really understand the code (and will bite my tongue to refrain from editorial comments on the gtk toolkit :-), but I do see that PM_SIZE is only 8, and a screenshot tells me that the row height is about 18. I can't actually imagine any reason to ignore a click anywhere in the column, what else could it mean other than expand or collapse? If that's the case maybe all that insanely complex routine should be doing is checking the event location against the clist->column[ctree->tree_column].area rectangle? -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From rennabh at gmail.com Sat Jan 21 09:29:57 2012 From: rennabh at gmail.com (Renato) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:29:57 +0100 Subject: [Users] automatically add to address book Message-ID: <20120121092957.362b32f6@gmail.com> Hello, is it possible for c-m to automatically add to the address book the email addresses I compose an email to? I really would like to it to happen automatically, without me requiring to put in a name or choose an address book... I just want to have tab completion the next time I write an email to this person... best wishes, renato From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 21 09:41:51 2012 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 08:41:51 +0000 Subject: [Users] automatically add to address book In-Reply-To: <20120121092957.362b32f6@gmail.com> References: <20120121092957.362b32f6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120121084151.69cb6ad6@thewildbeast> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:29:57 +0100 Renato wrote: > Hello, is it possible for c-m to automatically add to the address > book the email addresses I compose an email to? I really would like > to it to happen automatically, without me requiring to put in a > name or choose an address book... I just want to have tab > completion the next time I write an email to this person... Yes, with the Address Keeper plugin. See http://www.claws-mail.org/plugins.php with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 21 16:59:17 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:59:17 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 1941] recursive "mark read all" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120121155917.A285C854F9@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1941 --- Comment #1 from Robert David 2012-01-21 16:59:17 --- Created an attachment (id=1065) --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1065) Patch for recursive mark as read I created this patch because I also lack this functionality in claws. It apply cleanly to 3.7.10 and also with hunks to current CVS. Works for me ok on 3.7.10. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk Sat Jan 21 20:34:37 2012 From: richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk (richard) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:34:37 +0000 Subject: [Users] Assigning actions to keys in 3.8.0 Message-ID: <20120121193437.4eafa6d2@lappy.g8jvm.com> Greetings, I went to assign a two key combination to "mark all read" Using the pulldowns off the menu bar, hover mouse pointer over the required action and hold down two keys,,,,narda. I can't even change any of them. "U" is assigned to mark unread, which will cause problems. Has something changed from 2.7.10 to 3.8.0 ? TIA -- Best wishes / 73 Richard Bown e-mail: richard at g8jvm.com or richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk nil carborundum a illegitemis ################################################################################## Ham Call G8JVM . OS Fedora FC16 x86_64 on a Dell Insiron N5030 laptop Maidenhead QRA: IO82SP38, LAT. 52 39.720' N LONG. 2 28.171 W ( degs mins ) QRV HF + VHF Microwave 23 cms:140W,13 cms:100W,6 cms:10W & 3 cms:5W ################################################################################## From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 22 01:48:11 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 01:48:11 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2582] expanded mimeview drag'n'drop no longer works In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120122004811.404E2854F9@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2582 --- Comment #2 from users 2012-01-20 23:31:34 --- Changes related to this bug have been committed. Please check latest CVS and update the bug accordingly. You can also get the patch from: http://www.claws-mail.org/tracker/ 2012-01-20 [pawel] 3.8.0cvs15 * src/mimeview.c Fix bug #2582 'Expanded mimeview drag n drop no longer works' --- Comment #3 from Michael Schwendt 2012-01-22 01:48:10 --- Fix confirmed. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 22 09:59:30 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 09:59:30 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2582] expanded mimeview drag'n'drop no longer works In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120122085930.5C993858CB@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2582 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 22 10:20:07 2012 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 09:20:07 +0000 Subject: [Users] Assigning actions to keys in 3.8.0 In-Reply-To: <20120121193437.4eafa6d2@lappy.g8jvm.com> References: <20120121193437.4eafa6d2@lappy.g8jvm.com> Message-ID: <20120122092007.3fa723b0@thewildbeast> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:34:37 +0000 richard wrote: > I went to assign a two key combination to "mark all read" > Using the pulldowns off the menu bar, hover mouse pointer over the > required action and hold down two keys,,,,narda. > I can't even change any of them. "U" is assigned to mark unread, > which will cause problems. > Has something changed from 2.7.10 to 3.8.0 ? You have probably turned off the option "enable customisable keyboard shortcuts' found on /Configuration/Preferences/Other/Miscellaneous with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Jan 22 10:32:52 2012 From: richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk (richard) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 09:32:52 +0000 Subject: [Users] Assigning actions to keys in 3.8.0 In-Reply-To: <20120122092007.3fa723b0@thewildbeast> References: <20120121193437.4eafa6d2@lappy.g8jvm.com> <20120122092007.3fa723b0@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20120122093252.6ce0b490@lappy.g8jvm.com> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 09:20:07 +0000 Paul wrote: > On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:34:37 +0000 > richard wrote: > > > I went to assign a two key combination to "mark all read" > > Using the pulldowns off the menu bar, hover mouse pointer over the > > required action and hold down two keys,,,,narda. > > I can't even change any of them. "U" is assigned to mark unread, > > which will cause problems. > > Has something changed from 2.7.10 to 3.8.0 ? > > You have probably turned off the option "enable customisable keyboard > shortcuts' found on /Configuration/Preferences/Other/Miscellaneous > > with regards > > Paul > > Thanks Paul, it was on but after toggling it worked as it should, strange -- Best wishes / 73 Richard Bown e-mail: richard at g8jvm.com or richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk nil carborundum a illegitemis ################################################################################## Ham Call G8JVM . OS Fedora FC16 x86_64 on a Dell Insiron N5030 laptop Maidenhead QRA: IO82SP38, LAT. 52 39.720' N LONG. 2 28.171 W ( degs mins ) QRV HF + VHF Microwave 23 cms:140W,13 cms:100W,6 cms:10W & 3 cms:5W ################################################################################## From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 22 16:26:01 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:26:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] New: GUI redraws itself slowly Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2584 Summary: GUI redraws itself slowly Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: major Priority: P3 Component: UI AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: mike at suremail.info When the claws-mail window has to redraw itself because I switch to the desktop it was on, it takes quite some time to do so. It is even slower than firefox. :( -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 22 16:35:47 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:35:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2506] eols get converted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120122153547.A7410858F4@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2506 --- Comment #1 from mike 2012-01-22 16:35:47 --- I can reproduce this, too. Please fix. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 22 16:42:21 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:42:21 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2585] New: Add a "keep reply in this folder" option Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2585 Summary: Add a "keep reply in this folder" option Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: major Priority: P3 Component: Folders AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: mike at suremail.info For certain folders I would like claws-mails to automatically move my reply-email into the same folder as the email I replied to was in. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 22 17:16:24 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:16:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2585] Add a "keep reply in this folder" option In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120122161624.5D86E858F4@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2585 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID --- Comment #1 from Paul 2012-01-22 17:16:23 --- I don't understand why you have set this to sverity 'major'. How is this 'major'? Besides, the option already exists in the folder properties -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 22 17:17:03 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:17:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120122161703.295F985903@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2584 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |WORKSFORME Severity|major |normal --- Comment #1 from Paul 2012-01-22 17:17:02 --- works for me. if this is always reproducible for you then explain more, please -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 22 17:18:23 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:18:23 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2506] eols get converted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120122161823.E3894858F4@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2506 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|major |normal --- Comment #2 from Paul 2012-01-22 17:18:23 --- what is the problem? -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 22 17:33:01 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:33:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2584 --- Comment #2 from codejodler 2012-01-22 17:33:01 --- I had similar issue and tracked it down to 2 factors: (1) Upgrade to kernel >= 3.0 slowed down, it's as fast as usual with linux 2.6.39 (2) Gnome-settings-daemon doing the GTK theming. It was slow even with default theme 'advaita'. No OpenGL eye candy enabled here. Disabling gsd accelerated a lot too. But only the kernel downgrade achieved the 'usual' speed. This is amd64 with nvidia GeForce7300 and maybe finally the Xorg nvidia driver is to blame. But comparing many other machines with linux i know, it is my belief that GTK generally is slow as hell, in nearly any other GTK application. Firefox is doing quite some optimization, it seems, to continue to be fast. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From mir at miras.org Sun Jan 22 18:11:38 2012 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:11:38 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> Message-ID: <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:33:01 +0100 (CET) noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk wrote: > > This is amd64 with nvidia GeForce7300 and maybe finally the Xorg nvidia driver > is to blame. But comparing many other machines with linux i know, it is my > belief that GTK generally is slow as hell, in nearly any other GTK application. > Firefox is doing quite some optimization, it seems, to continue to be fast. > I don't think it is the kernel you should blame the blame is on Gnome3. I have a similar setup kernel (3.0 and 3.1) and I see no slow GTK. The difference is that I use XFCE-4.8 and I have disabled start of Gnome and KDE services in "Sessions and Startup". It could be interesting to know whether the same experience applies to your computer? PS. no Nvidia here. On-board Intel graphics driver. -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 22 18:14:59 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:14:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120122171459.DED608591F@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2584 --- Comment #4 from Michael Rasmussen 2012-01-22 18:14:59 --- Ups, forgot to add my comment in the bug tracker. I don't think it is the kernel you should blame the blame is on Gnome3. I have a similar setup kernel (3.0 and 3.1) and I see no slow GTK. The difference is that I use XFCE-4.8 and I have disabled start of Gnome and KDE services in "Sessions and Startup". It could be interesting to know whether the same experience applies to your computer? PS. no Nvidia here. On-board Intel graphics driver. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From codejodler at gmx.ch Sun Jan 22 19:53:30 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 19:53:30 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> Message-ID: <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> (Let's continue here, i am too lazy to login again ;) I don't run a Gnome3 session (it's WindowMaker) but the libgnome stuff is already version 3.2, if that's what you meant. There is both libgtk3 and libgtk2 installed but claws 3.8 is using libgtk version 2.24.8 here, so i'm not sure how claws would be affected by gnome3. I did not re-check with claws 3.8 .0 cvs and kernel 3.x (is it 3.2 alreday?) since i deinstalled the '3' kernel some month ago. So maybe the slowdown already vanished with some update. I may try to check it out later. From linux at slavino.sk Sun Jan 22 20:19:56 2012 From: linux at slavino.sk (Slavko) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:19:56 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> Hi, Dňa Sun, 22 Jan 2012 19:53:30 +0100 Michael napísal: > (Let's continue here, i am too lazy to login again ;) IMO good idea ;-) > I don't run a Gnome3 session (it's WindowMaker) but the libgnome stuff > is already version 3.2, if that's what you meant. There is both libgtk3 > and libgtk2 installed but claws 3.8 is using libgtk version 2.24.8 here, > so i'm not sure how claws would be affected by gnome3. I am using XFCE 4.8, without running GNOME or KDE daemons (except gnome-keyring), but i can confirm that redrawing the message view part of the main CM window is slow. Other parts of main windows are displayed immediate. The appearing the message part of main window is not very slow, but some time i can see desktop background in this window's part while the main windows appears after unhide (show) it via systray icon. This is not only about desktop's background appearing, but consider this as example. > I did not re-check with claws 3.8 .0 cvs and kernel 3.x (is it 3.2 > alreday?) since i deinstalled the '3' kernel some month ago. So maybe > the slowdown already vanished with some update. I may try to check it > out later. I cannot confirm that this happens after upgrade to 3.x kernel, because i was 3.x kernel before the CM 3.8 (now 3.1) and i don't remember this behavior in CM 3.7.x. I am using the debian's nvidia non-free driver (290.10) with thinview enabled and i have in XFCE enabled some composite effects, but disabling the composition at all don't make any change for this problem. I don't see this slow redrawing problem with another windows. -- Slavko http://slavino.sk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just want to have tab > > completion the next time I write an email to this person... > > Yes, with the Address Keeper plugin. > See http://www.claws-mail.org/plugins.php > Thanks for that! best wishes, renato From rol at witbe.net Sun Jan 22 20:50:30 2012 From: rol at witbe.net (Paul Rolland (=?UTF-8?B?44Od44O844Or44O744Ot44Op44Oz?=)) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:50:30 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> Message-ID: <20120122205030.6c4810cb@tux.DEF.witbe.net> Hello, On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:19:56 +0100 Slavko wrote: > I am using XFCE 4.8, without running GNOME or KDE daemons (except > gnome-keyring), but i can confirm that redrawing the message view part of > the main CM window is slow. Other parts of main windows are displayed > immediate. The appearing the message part of main window is not very > slow, but some time i can see desktop background in this window's part > while the main windows appears after unhide (show) it via systray icon. > This is not only about desktop's background appearing, but consider this > as example. I've a configuration that is : - Kernel 3.2.0, - KDE - Claws 3.8.0 - Onboard i9xx Intel chipset. and I noticed no slow down when I upgraded my kernel (and I'm running new kernels when they become avail., so I've been thru all the 3.x series). So, unless we can relate kernel version to an nVidia kernel driver, I doubt kernel (as delivered by ftp.kernel.org) is involved. 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It could be interesting to know which driver version Paul is using? -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From albertwagner at cox.net Sun Jan 22 21:13:14 2012 From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert Wagner) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 14:13:14 -0600 Subject: [Users] Session timed out Message-ID: <4F1C6DDA.4090001@cox.net> I just installed Claws. Clicking "Get Mail" got me three(3) messages, then this popup error: increasing the timeout value in Preferences/Other/Miscellaneous. * Connecting to POP3 server: pop.central.cox.net... [13:52:23] POP3< +OK eastrmfepi204 InterMail POP3 server ready. [13:52:23] POP3> USER albertwagner [13:52:23] POP3< +OK please send PASS command [13:52:23] POP3> PASS ******** [13:52:23] POP3< +OK albertwagner is welcome here [13:52:23] POP3> STAT [13:52:26] POP3< +OK 665 6578191 [13:52:26] POP3> UIDL [13:52:26] POP3< +OK 665 messages [13:52:26] POP3> LIST [13:52:26] POP3< +OK 665 messages [13:52:26] POP3> RETR 3 [13:52:26] POP3< +OK 6441 octets ** Session timed out. You may be able to recover by increasing the timeout value in Preferences/Other/Miscellaneous. All further attempts to get mail end the same way. Timeout value can't be the problem because Thunderbird reads all messages OK. I had to reply to mail list confirmation using Thunderbird. What should I try? From albertwagner at cox.net Sun Jan 22 23:37:16 2012 From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert Wagner) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:37:16 -0600 Subject: [Users] Session timed out In-Reply-To: <4F1C6DDA.4090001@cox.net> References: <4F1C6DDA.4090001@cox.net> Message-ID: <20120122163716.470a3daa@elder> I fixed it. Receiving need no SSL. From codejodler at gmx.ch Mon Jan 23 00:27:02 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 00:27:02 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120122205030.6c4810cb@tux.DEF.witbe.net> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120122205030.6c4810cb@tux.DEF.witbe.net> Message-ID: <20120123002702.2a3ff3c1@mirrors.kernel.org> ok i checked this out, with latest kernel from debian unstable and claws with a message list (which means for my large screen and large fonts that about 15 messages are shown, and only Subject and From columns). No significant delay anymore now ! This is stock debian linux kernel 3.0.2, nvidia v. 290.10 (which is faster than the Xorg generic 'nv' driver, and have GL) compiled from source with gcc 4.6.2, and claws 3.8 cvs16. Although kernel 2.6.39 still is faster, but the delay for linux 3.0.2 now is less than maybe 300 microseconds, which is about ok. However, as soon as i launch gnome-settings-daemon (gsd v. 3.2.2) the delay is guessed up to 1,5 seconds, which is ugly. This is switching between workspaces. Delay is also significantly slower when switching between different folders (i.e. change the message list) within claws. This delay is less than 1s, but several times slower than without gsd. Comparing other GTK apps: gedit, terminal, and firefox. They generally do not show any delay at all. But then i tried 2 pane file manager gnome-commander and it have a comparable high delay. And again, only with gsd running. This is a 4 years old box now, only average, not a Gaming PC but it should be still running without such delays. Hardware is 2x2GHtz AMD64, GeForce7300 (256Mb), 3G RAM (and nearly always less than 1G used no matter how many desktop apps i launch) in Dual Mode. Out of curiosity i compared firefox rendering engine, with lists like ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_amphibians but there is no delay. So, at least for this machine, i am tempted to blame the GTK theme engine. Anything is set to defaults, which is theme 'adwaita', and any extras and any desktop features turned off (although this is WindowMaker, not gnome-shell, but just in case gsd would try to handle such things.) But maybe the code is doing something silly for lists (maybe like querying the same font over and over? Updating the same data over and over for every list item again ? Interestingly, there is no theme selector whatsoever in gnome-control-center, or anywhere in the default session (AFAIKS), one have to install inofficial gnome-tweak-tool to select from only a handful themes and have some few options. Before gnome-3 there was a luxury theme configurator, and many default choices, so they must have changed a lot internally. From codejodler at gmx.ch Mon Jan 23 01:02:49 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 01:02:49 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120123002702.2a3ff3c1@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120122205030.6c4810cb@tux.DEF.witbe.net> <20120123002702.2a3ff3c1@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120123010249.14e43d7b@mirrors.kernel.org> Noteworthy, there is one very impressive difference between the 2 kernel versions: - With kernel 2.6.39, claws File -> Exit closes the Window within a second. - With kernel 3.0.2, claws needs more than 7 seconds. And it's stucking to the extent that the 'File' pulldown menu does not get 'pulled back' until the Window finally disappears. It is the same for any other GTK app, closing is ugly slow and even the pulldown stucks. For example, firefox needs ridiculous 15 seconds to disappear. This all with, and without gnome-settings-daemon. QT applications never show any delay here at all, neither in workspace switching, nor in closing the Window, and no matter what kernel. So at least for me, there is a huge difference in the kernel behavior X GTK (so maybe a memory issue?) -------------- Launching claws --debug (without gsd): (....) main.c:1651:TIMING main startup: 0s876ms Now File -> Exit: main.c:2169:exiting folder.c:1216:Counting total number of messages... main.c:974:The name com.google.code.Awn was not provided by any .service files mh.c:223:MH scan required, folder updated: /home/mi/Mail (1327275788 > 0) folder.c:2713:TIMING folder_item_read_cache : 0s000ms folder.c:2574:Total cache memory usage: 0 msgcache.c:274:TIMING msgcache_get_msg_list : 0s000ms mh.c:1337:TIMING mh_write_sequences : 0s057ms hooks.c:89:unregisted hook 1 in 'folder_item_update' hooks.c:89:unregisted hook 1 in 'folder_update' main.c:1696:shutting down inc.c:1519:removed timer = 99 mh.c:231:MH scan not required: /home/mi/Mail/queue (1327274906 <= 1327274906) folder.c:2738:Save cache for folder #mh/Mail/queue msgcache.c:1169: Writing message cache to (null) and (null)... msgcache.c:1250:done. msgcache.c:1251:TIMING msgcache_write : 0s000ms mh.c:1369:MH: forced mtime of queue to 1327274906 prefs_gtk.c:287:Found [Common] prefs_gtk.c:331:Configuration is saved. addressbook.c:4357:Saving address books... addressbook.c:4360:Exporting addressbook to file... main.c:2830:Failed to get state info from NetworkManager: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files main.c:2830:Failed to get state info from NetworkManager: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpinline.so rdeps plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/smime.so rdeps plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpmime.so rdeps plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpcore.so rdeps plugin.c:264: rdep /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpmime.so: (nil) plugin.c:264: rdep /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpinline.so: (nil) prefs_gpg.c:528:Can't enable gpg agent (no GPG_AGENT_INFO) plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/attachwarner.so rdeps hooks.c:89:unregisted hook 1 in 'compose_check_before_send' attachwarner.c:350:Attachment warner plugin unloaded plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/archive.so rdeps prefs_themes.c:417:Finished preferences for themes. Launching claws --debug with gsd running shows no significant change in launch or quit timing. Launch time < 1s and Exit does: (...) main.c:2169:exiting folder.c:1216:Counting total number of messages... main.c:974:The name com.google.code.Awn was not provided by any .service files mh.c:223:MH scan required, folder updated: /home/mi/Mail (1327276022 > 0) folder.c:2713:TIMING folder_item_read_cache : 0s000ms folder.c:2574:Total cache memory usage: 751 msgcache.c:274:TIMING msgcache_get_msg_list : 0s000ms mh.c:1337:TIMING mh_write_sequences : 0s057ms hooks.c:89:unregisted hook 1 in 'folder_item_update' hooks.c:89:unregisted hook 1 in 'folder_update' main.c:1696:shutting down inc.c:1519:removed timer = 99 mh.c:223:MH scan required, folder updated: /home/mi/Mail/queue (1327275959 > 1327274906) folder.c:2738:Save cache for folder #mh/Mail/queue msgcache.c:1169: Writing message cache to (null) and (null)... msgcache.c:1250:done. msgcache.c:1251:TIMING msgcache_write : 0s000ms prefs_gtk.c:287:Found [Common] prefs_gtk.c:331:Configuration is saved. addressbook.c:4357:Saving address books... addressbook.c:4360:Exporting addressbook to file... main.c:2830:Failed to get state info from NetworkManager: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files main.c:2830:Failed to get state info from NetworkManager: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpinline.so rdeps plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/smime.so rdeps plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpmime.so rdeps plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpcore.so rdeps plugin.c:264: rdep /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpmime.so: (nil) plugin.c:264: rdep /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpinline.so: (nil) prefs_gpg.c:528:Can't enable gpg agent (no GPG_AGENT_INFO) plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/attachwarner.so rdeps hooks.c:89:unregisted hook 1 in 'compose_check_before_send' attachwarner.c:350:Attachment warner plugin unloaded plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/archive.so rdeps prefs_themes.c:417:Finished preferences for themes. From codejodler at gmx.ch Mon Jan 23 01:13:14 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 01:13:14 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120123010249.14e43d7b@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120122205030.6c4810cb@tux.DEF.witbe.net> <20120123002702.2a3ff3c1@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123010249.14e43d7b@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120123011314.26802c8b@mirrors.kernel.org> Comparing claws startup under kernel 2.6.39, without gsd: (...) main.c:1651:TIMING main startup: 0s536ms File -> Exit: main.c:2169:exiting folder.c:1216:Counting total number of messages... main.c:974:The name com.google.code.Awn was not provided by any .service files mh.c:223:MH scan required, folder updated: /home/mi/Mail (1327277201 > 0) folder.c:2713:TIMING folder_item_read_cache : 0s000ms folder.c:2574:Total cache memory usage: 0 msgcache.c:274:TIMING msgcache_get_msg_list : 0s000ms mh.c:1337:TIMING mh_write_sequences : 0s002ms hooks.c:89:unregisted hook 1 in 'folder_item_update' hooks.c:89:unregisted hook 1 in 'folder_update' main.c:1696:shutting down inc.c:1519:removed timer = 99 mh.c:231:MH scan not required: /home/mi/Mail/queue (1327276974 <= 1327276974) folder.c:2738:Save cache for folder #mh/Mail/queue msgcache.c:1169: Writing message cache to (null) and (null)... msgcache.c:1250:done. msgcache.c:1251:TIMING msgcache_write : 0s000ms mh.c:1369:MH: forced mtime of queue to 1327276974 prefs_gtk.c:287:Found [Common] prefs_gtk.c:331:Configuration is saved. addressbook.c:4357:Saving address books... addressbook.c:4360:Exporting addressbook to file... main.c:2830:Failed to get state info from NetworkManager: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files main.c:2830:Failed to get state info from NetworkManager: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpinline.so rdeps plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/smime.so rdeps plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpmime.so rdeps plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpcore.so rdeps plugin.c:264: rdep /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpmime.so: (nil) plugin.c:264: rdep /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/pgpinline.so: (nil) prefs_gpg.c:528:Can't enable gpg agent (no GPG_AGENT_INFO) plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/attachwarner.so rdeps hooks.c:89:unregisted hook 1 in 'compose_check_before_send' attachwarner.c:350:Attachment warner plugin unloaded plugin.c:260:removing /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/archive.so rdeps prefs_themes.c:417:Finished preferences for themes. ---- I forgot to mention that roxterm (which is GTK) was not closing slow like the others, with linux 3.x, and did not show any other delay. It is roxterm 1.22.2 and depends on: libc6 (>= 2.3), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libsm6, libvte9 (>= 1:0.28.0), libx11-6, librsvg2-common From codejodler at gmx.ch Mon Jan 23 01:35:08 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 01:35:08 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120123011314.26802c8b@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120122205030.6c4810cb@tux.DEF.witbe.net> <20120123002702.2a3ff3c1@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123010249.14e43d7b@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123011314.26802c8b@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120123013508.2129933a@mirrors.kernel.org> If anyone wanted to know exactly what is installed here, shortened to the possibly relevant things and a little brushed up with headers. ------------------------- Installed Software: ------------------------- # Machine: x86_64 # Kernel: Linux 2.6.39-2-amd64 (custom) # Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid libc6 2.13-24 libc6-i386 2.13-24 claws-mail 3.8.0cvs16-1 claws-mail-archiver-plugin 3.8.0cvs16-1 claws-mail-attach-warner 3.8.0cvs16-1 claws-mail-dbg 3.8.0cvs16-1 claws-mail-doc 3.8.0cvs16-1 claws-mail-pgpinline 3.8.0cvs16-1 claws-mail-pgpmime 3.8.0cvs16-1 claws-mail-smime-plugin 3.8.0cvs16-1 claws-mail-themes 20110216.dfsg-1 clawsker 0.7.5-2 libgl1-nvidia-alternatives 290.10-1 libgl1-nvidia-alternatives-ia32 290.10-1 libgl1-nvidia-glx 290.10-1 libgl1-nvidia-glx-ia32 290.10-1 libglx-nvidia-alternatives 290.10-1 nvidia-alternative 290.10-1 nvidia-glx 290.10-1 nvidia-glx-ia32 290.10-1 nvidia-installer-cleanup 20111111+1 nvidia-kernel-2.6.39-2-amd64 290.10-1+2.6.39-3 nvidia-kernel-3.2.0-1-amd64 290.10-1+3.2.1-1 nvidia-kernel-common 20111111+1 nvidia-kernel-dkms 290.10-1 nvidia-kernel-source 290.10-1 nvidia-support 20111111+1 nvidia-vdpau-driver 290.10-1 nvidia-vdpau-driver-ia32 290.10-1 xserver-xorg-core 2:1.11.3.901-2 xserver-xorg-input-all 1:7.6+10 xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.6.0-2+b2 xserver-xorg-input-synaptics 1.5.0-2 xserver-xorg-video-nvidia 290.10-1 xserver-xorg-video-vesa 1:2.3.0-7+b1 libgnome2-0 2.32.1-2 libgnome2-common 2.32.1-2 libgnomecanvas2-0 2.30.3-1 libgnomecanvas2-common 2.30.3-1 libgnomeui-0 2.24.5-2 libgnomeui-common 2.24.5-2 gtk2-engines 1:2.20.2-1 gtk2-engines-pixbuf 2.24.8-3 libgtk2-perl 2:1.242-1 libgtk2-ruby 1.0.3-1 libgtk2.0-0 2.24.8-3 libgtk2.0-bin 2.24.8-3 libgtk2.0-common 2.24.8-3 libgtk-3-0 3.2.3-1 libgtk-3-bin 3.2.3-1 libgtk-3-common 3.2.3-1 libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a 1:2.24.2-1 libgtkmm-3.0-1 3.2.0-1 libgtksourceview-3.0-0 3.2.3-1 libgtksourceview-3.0-common 3.2.3-1 libgtksourceview2.0-0 2.10.4-1 libgtksourceview2.0-common 2.10.4-1 ------------------------------------ # Hardware and BIOS: ------------------------------------ CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ (2x2,2Ghz) Signature: Family 15, Model 75, Stepping 2 Flags: FPU (Floating-point unit on-chip) VME (Virtual mode extension) DE (Debugging extension) PSE (Page size extension) TSC (Time stamp counter) MSR (Model specific registers) PAE (Physical address extension) MCE (Machine check exception) CX8 (CMPXCHG8 instruction supported) APIC (On-chip APIC hardware supported) SEP (Fast system call) MTRR (Memory type range registers) PGE (Page global enable) MCA (Machine check architecture) CMOV (Conditional move instruction supported) PAT (Page attribute table) PSE-36 (36-bit page size extension) CLFSH (CLFLUSH instruction supported) MMX (MMX technology supported) FXSR (FXSAVE and FXSTOR instructions supported) SSE (Streaming SIMD extensions) SSE2 (Streaming SIMD extensions 2) HTT (Multi-threading) Voltage: 1.5 V External Clock: 200 MHz Max Speed: 2000 MHz Current Speed: 2012 MHz Status: Populated, Enabled Core Count: 2 Core Enabled: 2 Characteristics: 64-bit capable Mainboard: ASUS ASRock ALiveNF4G-DVI with K.754/939/AM2 Arctic Alpine 64, GF6100/410, and VGA GeForce 6100/MCP 410 BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. Version: P1.10, Release Date: 08/09/2006 Revision: 8.12 GPU: NVidia GeForce 7300GT (256M) HD: SATA Western Digital WD3200AAKS-0 12.0 (3Gbps enabled) ----------------------------- # Output of lspci -v ----------------------------- 00:00.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] Memory Controller (rev a2) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82f2 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0 Capabilities: [94] HyperTransport: #1a Capabilities: [60] HyperTransport: Retry Mode Capabilities: [44] HyperTransport: Slave or Primary Interface Capabilities: [d0] HyperTransport: #1c 00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] LPC Bridge (rev a2) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82f2 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0 I/O ports at 0900 [size=256] 00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] SMBus (rev a1) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82f2 Flags: 66MHz, fast devsel, IRQ 10 I/O ports at 0e00 [size=64] I/O ports at 0600 [size=64] I/O ports at 0700 [size=64] Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: nForce2_smbus 00:01.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] Memory Controller (rev a1) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82f2 Flags: 66MHz, fast devsel 00:01.3 Co-processor: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] Co-Processor (rev a2) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82f2 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 7 Memory at fbe80000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512K] 00:01.4 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] Memory Controller (rev a1) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82f2 Flags: 66MHz, fast devsel 00:02.0 USB controller: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] OHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev a1) (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82f2 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 23 Memory at fbe7e000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd 00:02.1 USB controller: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] EHCI USB 2.0 Controller (rev a1) (prog-if 20 [EHCI]) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82f2 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 21 Memory at fbe7fc00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] Capabilities: [44] Debug port: BAR=1 offset=00a0 Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: ehci_hcd 00:04.0 USB controller: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] OHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev a1) (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82f2 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22 Memory at fbe7d000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd 00:04.1 USB controller: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] EHCI USB 2.0 Controller (rev a1) (prog-if 20 [EHCI]) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82f2 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 20 Memory at fbe7f800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] Capabilities: [44] Debug port: BAR=1 offset=00a0 Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: ehci_hcd 00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] IDE (rev a1) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP]) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82f2 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0 [virtual] Memory at 000001f0 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8] [virtual] Memory at 000003f0 (type 3, non-prefetchable) [size=1] [virtual] Memory at 00000170 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8] [virtual] Memory at 00000370 (type 3, non-prefetchable) [size=1] I/O ports at ffa0 [size=16] Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: pata_amd 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP72XE/MCP72P/MCP78U/MCP78S High Definition Audio (rev a1) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 829f Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 21 Memory at fbe78000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable+ 64bit+ Capabilities: [6c] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping Enable+ Fixed+ Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel 00:08.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] PCI Bridge (rev a1) (prog-if 01 [Subtractive decode]) Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0 Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=64 I/O behind bridge: 0000d000-0000dfff Memory behind bridge: fbf00000-fbffffff Capabilities: [b8] Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82f2 Capabilities: [8c] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping Enable+ Fixed- 00:09.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] SATA Controller (non-AHCI mode) (rev a2) (prog-if 85 [Master SecO PriO]) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82f2 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 40 I/O ports at c480 [size=8] I/O ports at c400 [size=4] I/O ports at c080 [size=8] I/O ports at c000 [size=4] I/O ports at bc00 [size=16] Memory at fbe76000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8K] Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [8c] SATA HBA v1.0 Capabilities: [b0] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/8 Maskable- 64bit+ Capabilities: [ec] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping Enable+ Fixed+ Kernel driver in use: ahci 00:10.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] PCI Express Bridge (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0 Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, subordinate=02, sec-latency=0 I/O behind bridge: 0000e000-0000efff Memory behind bridge: fc000000-febfffff Prefetchable memory behind bridge: 00000000d0000000-00000000dfffffff Capabilities: [40] Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82f2 Capabilities: [48] Power Management version 3 Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/2 Maskable- 64bit+ Capabilities: [60] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping Enable+ Fixed- Capabilities: [80] Express Root Port (Slot+), MSI 00 Kernel driver in use: pcieport 00:12.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] PCI Express Bridge (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0 Bus: primary=00, secondary=03, subordinate=03, sec-latency=0 Capabilities: [40] Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82f2 Capabilities: [48] Power Management version 3 Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/2 Maskable- 64bit+ Capabilities: [60] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping Enable+ Fixed- Capabilities: [80] Express Root Port (Slot+), MSI 00 Kernel driver in use: pcieport 00:13.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP78S [GeForce 8200] PCI Bridge (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0 Bus: primary=00, secondary=04, subordinate=04, sec-latency=0 Capabilities: [40] Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 82f2 Capabilities: [48] Power Management version 3 Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/2 Maskable- 64bit+ Capabilities: [60] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping Enable+ Fixed- Capabilities: [80] Express Root Port (Slot+), MSI 00 Kernel driver in use: pcieport 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] HyperTransport Technology Configuration Flags: fast devsel Capabilities: [80] HyperTransport: Host or Secondary Interface 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Address Map Flags: fast devsel 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] DRAM Controller Flags: fast devsel Kernel driver in use: amd64_edac 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron] Miscellaneous Control Flags: fast devsel Capabilities: [f0] Secure device Kernel driver in use: k8temp # Output of dmidecode -q: ---------------------------- BIOS Information ---------------------------- Vendor: American Megatrends Inc. Version: 0403 Release Date: 03/18/2008 Address: 0xF0000 Runtime Size: 64 kB ROM Size: 1024 kB Characteristics: ISA is supported PCI is supported PNP is supported APM is supported BIOS is upgradeable BIOS shadowing is allowed ESCD support is available Boot from CD is supported Selectable boot is supported BIOS ROM is socketed EDD is supported 5.25"/1.2 MB floppy services are supported (int 13h) 3.5"/720 kB floppy services are supported (int 13h) 3.5"/2.88 MB floppy services are supported (int 13h) Print screen service is supported (int 5h) 8042 keyboard services are supported (int 9h) Serial services are supported (int 14h) Printer services are supported (int 17h) CGA/mono video services are supported (int 10h) ACPI is supported USB legacy is supported LS-120 boot is supported ATAPI Zip drive boot is supported BIOS boot specification is supported Targeted content distribution is supported BIOS Revision: 8.14 -------------------- More CPU -------------------- CPU Cache Information Socket Designation: L1-Cache Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 1 Operational Mode: Varies With Memory Address Location: Internal Installed Size: 256 kB Maximum Size: 256 kB Supported SRAM Types: Pipeline Burst Installed SRAM Type: Pipeline Burst Speed: Unknown Error Correction Type: Single-bit ECC System Type: Data Associativity: 4-way Set-associative CPU Cache Information Socket Designation: L2-Cache Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 2 Operational Mode: Varies With Memory Address Location: Internal Installed Size: 1024 kB Maximum Size: 1024 kB Supported SRAM Types: Pipeline Burst Installed SRAM Type: Pipeline Burst Speed: Unknown Error Correction Type: Single-bit ECC System Type: Unified Associativity: 4-way Set-associative CPU Cache Information Socket Designation: L3-Cache Configuration: Disabled, Not Socketed, Level 3 Operational Mode: Unknown Location: Internal Installed Size: 0 kB Maximum Size: 0 kB Supported SRAM Types: Unknown Installed SRAM Type: Unknown Speed: Unknown Error Correction Type: Unknown System Type: Unknown Associativity: Unknown ------------------------------------------- Memory Controller Information ------------------------------------------- Error Detecting Method: 64-bit ECC Error Correcting Capabilities: None Supported Interleave: One-way Interleave Current Interleave: One-way Interleave Maximum Memory Module Size: 8192 MB Maximum Total Memory Size: 32768 MB Supported Speeds: 70 ns 60 ns Supported Memory Types: DIMM SDRAM Memory Module Voltage: 3.3 V Associated Memory Slots: 4 0x0009 0x000A 0x000B 0x000C Enabled Error Correcting Capabilities: None Memory Module Information Socket Designation: DIMM0 Bank Connections: 0 1 Current Speed: 30 ns Type: DIMM Installed Size: 1024 MB (Double-bank Connection) Enabled Size: 1024 MB (Double-bank Connection) Error Status: OK Memory Module Information Socket Designation: DIMM1 Bank Connections: 2 3 Current Speed: 30 ns Type: DIMM Installed Size: 1024 MB (Double-bank Connection) Enabled Size: 1024 MB (Double-bank Connection) Error Status: OK Memory Module Information Socket Designation: DIMM2 Bank Connections: 4 5 Current Speed: 30 ns Type: DIMM Installed Size: 512 MB (Single-bank Connection) Enabled Size: 512 MB (Single-bank Connection) Error Status: OK Memory Module Information Socket Designation: DIMM3 Bank Connections: 6 7 Current Speed: 30 ns Type: DIMM Installed Size: 512 MB (Single-bank Connection) Enabled Size: 512 MB (Single-bank Connection) Error Status: OK Physical Memory Array Location: System Board Or Motherboard Use: System Memory Error Correction Type: None Maximum Capacity: 8 GB Number Of Devices: 4 Memory Array Mapped Address Starting Address: 0x00000000000 Ending Address: 0x000BFFFFFFF Range Size: 3 GB Partition Width: 1 Memory Device Total Width: 64 bits Data Width: 64 bits Size: 1024 MB Form Factor: DIMM Set: None Locator: DIMM0 Bank Locator: BANK0 Type: DDR2 Type Detail: Synchronous Speed: 667 MHz Manufacturer: Manufacturer0 Serial Number: SerNum0 Asset Tag: AssetTagNum0 Part Number: PartNum0 Memory Device Mapped Address Starting Address: 0x00000000000 Ending Address: 0x0003FFFFFFF Range Size: 1 GB Partition Row Position: 1 Memory Device Total Width: 64 bits Data Width: 64 bits Size: 1024 MB Form Factor: DIMM Set: None Locator: DIMM1 Bank Locator: BANK1 Type: DDR2 Type Detail: Synchronous Speed: 667 MHz Manufacturer: Manufacturer1 Serial Number: SerNum1 Asset Tag: AssetTagNum1 Part Number: PartNum1 Memory Device Mapped Address Starting Address: 0x00040000000 Ending Address: 0x0007FFFFFFF Range Size: 1 GB Partition Row Position: 1 Memory Device Total Width: 64 bits Data Width: 64 bits Size: 512 MB Form Factor: DIMM Set: None Locator: DIMM2 Bank Locator: BANK2 Type: DDR2 Type Detail: Synchronous Speed: 667 MHz Manufacturer: Manufacturer2 Serial Number: SerNum2 Asset Tag: AssetTagNum2 Part Number: PartNum2 Memory Device Mapped Address Starting Address: 0x00080000000 Ending Address: 0x0009FFFFFFF Range Size: 512 MB Partition Row Position: 1 Memory Device Total Width: 64 bits Data Width: 64 bits Size: 512 MB Form Factor: DIMM Set: None Locator: DIMM3 Bank Locator: BANK3 Type: DDR2 Type Detail: Synchronous Speed: 667 MHz Manufacturer: Manufacturer3 Serial Number: SerNum3 Asset Tag: AssetTagNum3 Part Number: PartNum3 System Boot Information Status: No errors detected From codejodler at gmx.ch Mon Jan 23 04:35:10 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:35:10 +0100 Subject: [Users] keyboard navigation In-Reply-To: <20110602050840.65354cdc@net24.it> References: <20110601204038.67ed53bd@caprica.slowicza.org> <20110601120626.6f7dd908@foolinux.dyndns.org> <20110601213157.0a53a9e9@caprica.slowicza.org> <20110601213958.264e1ff8@sleipner.datanom.net> <20110601220259.07c19b3d@caprica.slowicza.org> <20110601220537.2c117f16@sleipner.datanom.net> <20110602050840.65354cdc@net24.it> Message-ID: <20120123043510.3e6804e9@mirrors.kernel.org> (old thread, will anyone read the followup ?) Regarding to tab key = toggling focus. There is a small effect on the highlighted / marked entry in the respective newly focused widget but it is really hardly visible. And what if the highlighted message / folder is just out of the pane. With that being a possibility, i really don't know how it can be done better. Just changing the 'selected' color (towards grey, when focus is taken away) will not do it, because of that. Any ideas ? From mir at miras.org Mon Jan 23 07:22:06 2012 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:22:06 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120123013508.2129933a@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120122205030.6c4810cb@tux.DEF.witbe.net> <20120123002702.2a3ff3c1@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123010249.14e43d7b@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123011314.26802c8b@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123013508.2129933a@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120123072206.6912eeab@sleipner.datanom.net> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 01:35:08 +0100 Michael wrote: > > # Machine: x86_64 > # Kernel: Linux 2.6.39-2-amd64 (custom) > # Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid Does the above mean a custom made kernel? If so, was your 3.x custom made as well? -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From codejodler at gmx.ch Mon Jan 23 07:47:24 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:47:24 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120123072206.6912eeab@sleipner.datanom.net> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120122205030.6c4810cb@tux.DEF.witbe.net> <20120123002702.2a3ff3c1@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123010249.14e43d7b@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123011314.26802c8b@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123013508.2129933a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123072206.6912eeab@sleipner.datanom.net> Message-ID: <20120123074724.190307ab@mirrors.kernel.org> Always stock Debian, not custom. I stopped compiling custom kernels long ago :) From codejodler at gmx.ch Mon Jan 23 07:50:51 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:50:51 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120123074724.190307ab@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120122205030.6c4810cb@tux.DEF.witbe.net> <20120123002702.2a3ff3c1@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123010249.14e43d7b@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123011314.26802c8b@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123013508.2129933a@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123072206.6912eeab@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120123074724.190307ab@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120123075051.729932be@mirrors.kernel.org> Oh, sorry, i just see, indeed i forgot to remove the personal flag 'custom' ! An artefact. But this kernel is Debian packaged, for sure. Today, it's no more in the archives, though. But all 2.6 kernels i got were like this one, regarding GTK. From codejodler at gmx.ch Mon Jan 23 14:06:43 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:06:43 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> Message-ID: <20120123140643.6d326bc4@mirrors.kernel.org> I can confirm this: With kernel 3.x claws needs up to 2 seconds to show the message content, counted from the click on the message in the list. With kernel 2.6 it is immediately there. From linux at slavino.sk Mon Jan 23 14:31:37 2012 From: linux at slavino.sk (Slavko) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:31:37 +0100 Subject: [Users] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120123140643.6d326bc4@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120123140643.6d326bc4@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120123143137.26d6086c@bonifac.skk> Ahoj, Dňa Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:06:43 +0100 Michael napísal: > I can confirm this: With kernel 3.x claws needs up to 2 seconds to show > the message content, counted from the click on the message in the list. > With kernel 2.6 it is immediately there. not, i have no problem with CM GI after window appears, only while showing (unhide) and my delay is less than 1 sec. I was read your (horrible) time information in your previous mails and this is not my case. I have similar HW on my machine, only my VGA is 128bit GeForce GT 220 with 1 MB RAM. Your problem can be at another end of your aspiration. Consider this: some months ago i tried ext4 FS and my machine was very slow, setting noatime in mount options partially solved this and finally i swich back to ReiserFS for most of my partitions. Out of this ML we are mentioned the nvidia driver, which can be source of the problems too. In time when KDE4 starts in Debian, i was using standalone non-free driver and it needed some tweaking to work as expected, try check if there is not some old (perhaps outdated) settings in your home. Or, perhaps, your VGA card needs some tweaking, etc. But, IMHO, it seems that your problem is not (only) CM related problem and you will need to search help at another places too. -- Slavko http://slavino.sk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: not available URL: From codejodler at gmx.ch Mon Jan 23 14:48:50 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:48:50 +0100 Subject: [Users] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120123143137.26d6086c@bonifac.skk> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120123140643.6d326bc4@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123143137.26d6086c@bonifac.skk> Message-ID: <20120123144850.58912bec@mirrors.kernel.org> Slavko, Is is all ext3 here. (And i would not set noatime on the root filesystem either). Please note that the same time GTK is slow, QT is not slow at all. While GTK shows the difference depending on kernel version, QT is always the same. What are they doing differently ? How would a pure kernel issue, or any filesystem feature, lead to that fact ? There must be something in GTK that does not work with kernel 3.x. I just can not see any other possible interpretation. But YMMV. From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Mon Jan 23 16:09:56 2012 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:09:56 +0000 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120123140643.6d326bc4@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120123140643.6d326bc4@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120123150956.6d3208f7@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:06:43 +0100 Michael wrote: > I can confirm this: With kernel 3.x claws needs up to 2 seconds to show > the message content, counted from the click on the message in the > list. With kernel 2.6 it is immediately there. Just checked this using latest 3.8.0cvs16 on Fedora 16 with kernel 3.1.6, and the message content shows up essentially instantaneously. Are you sure you haven't got some process in the background that is using a lot of CPU? -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 23 17:37:05 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:37:05 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120123163705.2EAD785921@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2584 --- Comment #5 from flobber 2012-01-23 17:37:04 --- I had the same problem some months ago. When switching to the desktop where Claws was running, the background clears, Claws thinks for 1 to 2 seconds, then redraws. I'm using no compositor, just a simple Windowmanager (IceWM), no Gnome, no KDE. As it was _very_ annoying, I tried to figure out was causing the delay. First, during the delay, the CPU was at 100%. Then, it happened with all Gtk2 applications (and only with them). Gtk1, Qt, etc was OK. Before I could really figure out what was causing the delay (I was presuming that some cached data was discarded when the window was unmapped, maybe glyph outlines), there was an update of the graphics driver (radeon r600, maybe it was the switch from r600 to r600g on Debian Wheezie) and the problem vanished. So, check whether it happens with other Gtk2 apps, too and if that's the case, bring it to the Gtk team. Somehow they are using something, that's not always hw-accelerated and is very slow in the software-fallback. The modern graphics drivers are sometimes very strange - they can be extremely fast but may fail completely on trivial stuff (such as line widths != 0. I have a no-toolkit app using only XDrawLine and XCopyArea that redraws faster on a 15 years old PC with a 4MB PCI graphics card than on my modern dual-core r600 system!) -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 23 17:38:27 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:38:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120123163827.47D0685921@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2584 --- Comment #6 from flobber 2012-01-23 17:38:26 --- I had the same problem some months ago. When switching to the desktop where Claws was running, the background clears, Claws thinks for 1 to 2 seconds, then redraws. I'm using no compositor, just a simple Windowmanager (IceWM), no Gnome, no KDE. As it was _very_ annoying, I tried to figure out was causing the delay. First, during the delay, the CPU was at 100%. Then, it happened with all Gtk2 applications (and only with them). Gtk1, Qt, etc was OK. Before I could really figure out what was causing the delay (I was presuming that some cached data was discarded when the window was unmapped, maybe glyph outlines), there was an update of the graphics driver (radeon r600, maybe it was the switch from r600 to r600g on Debian Wheezie) and the problem vanished. So, check whether it happens with other Gtk2 apps, too and if that's the case, bring it to the Gtk team. Somehow they are using something, that's not always hw-accelerated and is very slow in the software-fallback. The modern graphics drivers are sometimes very strange - they can be extremely fast but may fail completely on trivial stuff (such as line widths != 0. I have a no-toolkit app using only XDrawLine and XCopyArea that redraws faster on a 15 years old PC with a 4MB PCI graphics card than on my modern dual-core r600 system!) -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Mon Jan 23 19:40:37 2012 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:40:37 +0000 Subject: [Users] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120123144850.58912bec@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120123140643.6d326bc4@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123143137.26d6086c@bonifac.skk> <20120123144850.58912bec@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120123184037.1ef429d8@thewildbeast> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:48:50 +0100 Michael wrote: > There must be something in GTK that does not work with kernel 3.x. That's not the case because I'm using a 3.x kernel and have no problems. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From barry at python.org Mon Jan 23 21:29:55 2012 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:29:55 -0500 Subject: [Users] ~/.claws-mail/menurc and version control Message-ID: <20120123152955.3248afdf@resist.wooz.org> Is ~/.claws-mail/menurc written out in random (or undefined) order? I ask because I have most of my $HOME configuration files under version control, including many under ~/.claws-mail. I generally just hack this file directly when I want to make new keybindings. I've noticed that I almost always get conflicts on this file though, when merging changes from other desktops. The conflicts are always simple ordering differences; there are never any substantial conflicts. They're fairly easy to resolve, but kind of a PITA, so I'm asking. :) Cheers, -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: not available URL: From codejodler at gmx.ch Mon Jan 23 21:41:37 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:41:37 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120123150956.6d3208f7@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120123140643.6d326bc4@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123150956.6d3208f7@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20120123214137.47aee360@mirrors.kernel.org> > Are you sure you haven't got some process in the background that is > using a lot of CPU? I verified with 'top:' and no, definitely not. And i checked this dozen times at once, and many many days... Anyway i use to have pretty good overview what's running, it's a minimal desktop and nearly no deamons. From codejodler at gmx.ch Mon Jan 23 21:58:10 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:58:10 +0100 Subject: [Users] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120123184037.1ef429d8@thewildbeast> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120123140643.6d326bc4@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123143137.26d6086c@bonifac.skk> <20120123144850.58912bec@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123184037.1ef429d8@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20120123215810.3159657b@mirrors.kernel.org> Paul, > That's not the case because I'm using a 3.x kernel and have no > problems. Yes, and you are not the first to tell. It's clearly only occuring under comparably rare circumstances. Well, kernel 3.x that implies how the the nvidia driver cooperates, in a chain like: GTK theme uses some feature that makes nvidia depend on something that is in the kernel, and was different pre-3.x and got screwed now. It would imply that it occurs on any GeForce7300 with nvidia 290.x but it will be hard to find someone else running exactly that. It should be mentioned that nvidia is not doing well in terms of linux - anything is proprietary and the driver is split into the kernel module and an external nvidia-glx thing, and many many small libraries. To me this is a full mess. When i decided for nvdidia in the first place, some years ago, they still had good reputation but that vanished very quickly. ---- For another comparison, i just installed a full KDE session (with plasma desktop) and there the plasma engine seems to somehow determnine the claws theme, is that possible ? Or they install a different type of GTK theme engine ? Because claws had the standard Oxygene look very similar to the KDE apps. And now i was surprised, switching workspaces -> Claws redrawing was so fast that i could not even notice any delay at all. It was even faster than the true Plasma apps. However, the very long delay when quitting the application (File -> Exit) was still there. And again, only with GTK apps, not with KDE apps (Plasma in this case, not QT) I believe this proves that on my machine, GTK does not work well with the GPU driver, and at least to me the conclusion is that i must turn to the GTK developers. It is clearly not something Claws can do anything about. From codejodler at gmx.ch Tue Jan 24 00:46:18 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:46:18 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly In-Reply-To: <20120123215810.3159657b@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120123140643.6d326bc4@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123143137.26d6086c@bonifac.skk> <20120123144850.58912bec@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123184037.1ef429d8@thewildbeast> <20120123215810.3159657b@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120124004618.6ffaec84@mirrors.kernel.org> So, i will kind of close my personal issue about GUI window redraw as far as claws is concerned. However, i believe that the original issue like reported from Slavko (slow update of message content widget) is not solved, and might be not (or only partly) related to what i reported. The delay was reported to be at workspace switching, but for me, a 1-2 second delay is also visible by by clicking into the message list, and thus switching between different messages. Such a delay is rather unusual on this box, and not exist in any other app. But it might be mitigated or enforced by my underlying GPU driver problem. So i should refrain from adding to this discussion anymore. I wonder if claws scanning the headers and doing some folder rules checks (even if there aren't any) might cause a slight delay, which could be bloated up when some GKT component or filesystem feature (?) comes into play. From codejodler at gmx.ch Tue Jan 24 00:47:26 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:47:26 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws closing slow ? Message-ID: <20120124004726.02c06734@mirrors.kernel.org> Referring to http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2012-January/001182.html but this is probably just another topic. More important to me would be to find out why claws and firefox are closing so amazing slow with kernel 3.x, and Paul might have a point, if there was any file system operations related to that closing, and the ext3/4 FS driver changed in the kernel. So i wonder, is claws doing something causing disk traffic when closing ? It might be unrelated, but i had this debug messages at closing time (link above): With kernel 3.x and slow closing: MH scan required, folder updated: /home/mi/Mail (1327275788 > 0) With kernel 2.6.x and fast closing: MH scan not required: /home/mi/Mail/queue (1327276974 <= 1327276974) Would anyone be so kind and explain what this is about and why there would be this difference ? From mailinglists at gusnan.se Tue Jan 24 01:00:23 2012 From: mailinglists at gusnan.se (Andreas =?UTF-8?B?UsO2bm5xdWlzdA==?=) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:00:23 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws closing slow ? In-Reply-To: <20120124004726.02c06734@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120124004726.02c06734@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120124010023.66e52544@debian.localdomain> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:47:26 +0100 Michael wrote: > Referring to > http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2012-January/001182.html > but this is probably just another topic. > > More important to me would be to find out why claws and firefox are > closing so amazing slow with kernel 3.x, and Paul might have a point, > if there was any file system operations related to that closing, and > the ext3/4 FS driver changed in the kernel. > > So i wonder, is claws doing something causing disk traffic when > closing ? I have seen Claws closing painfully slow lately too - and I am on 2.6.32-5 (Debian stable), so it isn't kernel-related... I don't have any debug info to help though unfortunately - I have only experienced Claws closing very slow recently, and I guessed it was one of my IMAP connections that caused it... Right at this moment it closes fast (unfortunately) - so I'll try to get back with some more info when I can reproduce it again... (I am on Claws 3.8.0cvs16, and try to follow CVS) /Andreas -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: not available URL: From albertwagner at cox.net Tue Jan 24 02:50:01 2012 From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert Wagner) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:50:01 -0600 Subject: [Users] Multiple boots sharing Claws info on common partition Message-ID: <20120123195001.28c99bcf@elder> I usually maintain several linux installations on a single system. I'm new to Claws, and therefore have little knowledge of what is contained in each file and what each file is for. Is such info documented? Can each Claws installation share mail, addresses, settings, etc. on a common data partition using links? From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Tue Jan 24 03:14:22 2012 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:14:22 -0700 Subject: [Users] Multiple boots sharing Claws info on common partition In-Reply-To: <20120123195001.28c99bcf@elder> References: <20120123195001.28c99bcf@elder> Message-ID: <20120123191422.654006b1@yendi> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:50:01 -0600 Albert Wagner wrote: > I usually maintain several linux installations on a single system. I'm > new to Claws, and therefore have little knowledge of what is contained > in each file and what each file is for. Is such info documented? Can > each Claws installation share mail, addresses, settings, etc. on a > common data partition using links? If it's all the same person and all the same data and preferences, and -- this is key -- only one instance of claws running at a time, you should be able to share ~/.claws-mail and ~/.Mail. Everything except the actual mail and some mail metadata files is in ~/.claws-mail. -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB From codejodler at gmx.ch Tue Jan 24 03:35:38 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:35:38 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly - solved for me In-Reply-To: <20120124004618.6ffaec84@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120123140643.6d326bc4@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123143137.26d6086c@bonifac.skk> <20120123144850.58912bec@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123184037.1ef429d8@thewildbeast> <20120123215810.3159657b@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120124004618.6ffaec84@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120124033538.01eb6ce1@mirrors.kernel.org> I have to say this with care, because i may be still on err and did not much testing yet. But Pauls' and Slavkos' comments made me experiment with filesystem I/O and i discovered that the 3.x kernel (from Debian) seems to enable the option 'barrier=1' per default now, not only for ext4 but also for ext3, which definitely was not the case in the past. After reading about what this all is, i decided i don't need it (except for some mission critical archives) and i added some clever speed enhancing mount options to most partitions of /etc/fstab, namely "barrier=0,data=writeback,nodelalloc". And guess what, no delays anymore, not by workspace switching, nor message display, and not even when closing windows. This is not the first thing i'm doing to speed up file systems. I'm used to apply options like noatime, nodiratime for anything but the root-fs (/), and /tmp and /var/run and /var/lock are shifted to RAM (tmpfs) since long. Then, there is a complex partitioning layout with /var and /var/cache and about anthing on some dozen separate partitions, on 4 SATA harddrives, for parallel access and also to reduce fragmenting. Some filesystems have dedicated design (like large_file) and i even considered the partitions position on the physical disk. All in all my daily system is heavily speed optimized and i am not used to delays at all. I get nervous when things don't happen within 1/3 second ;) That said, i was really totally surprised things like redrawing windows or closing applications need that much file system access. But the fact that KDE does it differently and that gsd makes it worse proves (to me) that GTK somehow is doing exactly this. The change in the FS driver defaults only made that apparent. Why on earth would redrawing a window require file system ascess ? I'm totally stunned. But it is not the first time i saw change of one factor casually modify some other factor too (for example, i re-ran update-grup to rebuild the initrd) and as i said, anything preliminary, but i just wanted to immediately share this discovery. Perhaps someone else might try to confirm. From codejodler at gmx.ch Tue Jan 24 03:47:09 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:47:09 +0100 Subject: [Users] Multiple boots sharing Claws info on common partition In-Reply-To: <20120123191422.654006b1@yendi> References: <20120123195001.28c99bcf@elder> <20120123191422.654006b1@yendi> Message-ID: <20120124034709.7acb1ff9@mirrors.kernel.org> > If it's all the same person Meaning, username and ID have to be the same. (Issue 'id' command in terminal) > Everything except the actual mail and some mail metadata files is in ~/.claws-mail. But why would one not be able to maintain the same mail folder and the same ~/.claws-mail for several linux ? Like, symlink it from the 'data' partition. And if you used (at least, roughly) the same application versions and also want the same application configurations, anyway, then why not use one /home (as a mount point) for all Linux. Well, i did not try this myself. Maybe there are obstacles. From codejodler at gmx.ch Tue Jan 24 03:50:19 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:50:19 +0100 Subject: [Users] Multiple boots sharing Claws info on common partition In-Reply-To: <20120124034709.7acb1ff9@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120123195001.28c99bcf@elder> <20120123191422.654006b1@yendi> <20120124034709.7acb1ff9@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120124035019.511d79b8@mirrors.kernel.org> Charles, Just curious, did you really make your mail folder hidden (~/.Mail) and why ? From codejodler at gmx.ch Tue Jan 24 04:01:40 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 04:01:40 +0100 Subject: [Users] addendum In-Reply-To: <20120124033538.01eb6ce1@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120123140643.6d326bc4@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123143137.26d6086c@bonifac.skk> <20120123144850.58912bec@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123184037.1ef429d8@thewildbeast> <20120123215810.3159657b@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120124004618.6ffaec84@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120124033538.01eb6ce1@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120124040140.234fbfbc@mirrors.kernel.org> btw, gnome-settings-daemon still causes significant delay in window redraw when switching workspaces. About one second, as opposed to near to nothing when it is not running. From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Tue Jan 24 04:27:09 2012 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:27:09 -0700 Subject: [Users] Multiple boots sharing Claws info on common partition In-Reply-To: <20120124035019.511d79b8@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120123195001.28c99bcf@elder> <20120123191422.654006b1@yendi> <20120124034709.7acb1ff9@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120124035019.511d79b8@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120123202709.12bdcb3d@yendi> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:50:19 +0100 Michael wrote: > Charles, > > Just curious, did you really make your mail folder hidden (~/.Mail) > and why ? No, I didn't. That was a typo when I wrote the email. Sorry. -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Tue Jan 24 04:40:51 2012 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:40:51 -0700 Subject: [Users] Multiple boots sharing Claws info on common partition In-Reply-To: <20120124034709.7acb1ff9@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120123195001.28c99bcf@elder> <20120123191422.654006b1@yendi> <20120124034709.7acb1ff9@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120123204051.2b68c61b@yendi> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:47:09 +0100 Michael wrote: > > > If it's all the same person > > Meaning, username and ID have to be the same. (Issue 'id' command in > terminal) User name, group name, UID and GID should all be the same. The user need not be member of all the same groups. (A good thing, as different disties assign users to different groups.) And that person wants all their mail and preferences across all the different installations to be the same. > > > Everything except the actual mail and some mail metadata files is > > in ~/.claws-mail. > > But why would one not be able to maintain the same mail folder and > the same ~/.claws-mail for several linux ? Like, symlink it from the > 'data' partition. Sorry, I should have said explicitly that I think one can do exactly that via symlink. I say, "I think" because I haven't tried it. The reason I am fairly sure it will work is I have several computers and use rsync to keep the two directories in sync on them. User name, group name, UID and GID are all the same. Key to it is to shut down claws while syncing and only run one instance at a time. > > And if you used (at least, roughly) the same application versions and > also want the same application configurations, anyway, then why not > use one /home (as a mount point) for all Linux. Well, i did not try > this myself. Maybe there are obstacles. I also have not tried this. I suspect some stuff will cause problems, e.g. Gnome. All your applications would have to be able to use the same configuration files regardless of version. One package upgrade that changes a file format or introduces new keywords, or some such, and you break all the installations you didn't upgrade. That is a nightmare I didn't care to get into. -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB From codejodler at gmx.ch Tue Jan 24 04:52:06 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 04:52:06 +0100 Subject: [Users] Multiple boots sharing Claws info on common partition In-Reply-To: <20120123202709.12bdcb3d@yendi> References: <20120123195001.28c99bcf@elder> <20120123191422.654006b1@yendi> <20120124034709.7acb1ff9@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120124035019.511d79b8@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123202709.12bdcb3d@yendi> Message-ID: <20120124045206.1f814564@mirrors.kernel.org> Charles, > On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:50:19 +0100 > Michael wrote: > > > Charles, > > > > Just curious, did you really make your mail folder hidden (~/.Mail) > > and why ? > > No, I didn't. That was a typo when I wrote the email. Sorry. Ah. ok. I thought maybe it was some clever security measure :) although i could not come up with the striking reason. Don't mind. From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Tue Jan 24 05:11:55 2012 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:11:55 -0700 Subject: [Users] Multiple boots sharing Claws info on common partition In-Reply-To: <20120124045206.1f814564@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120123195001.28c99bcf@elder> <20120123191422.654006b1@yendi> <20120124034709.7acb1ff9@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120124035019.511d79b8@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123202709.12bdcb3d@yendi> <20120124045206.1f814564@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120123211155.5a324981@yendi> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 04:52:06 +0100 Michael wrote: > Ah. ok. I thought maybe it was some clever security measure :) > although i could not come up with the striking reason. Don't mind. Neither could I. :-) -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 24 06:59:12 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 06:59:12 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2586] New: Trayicon plugin always show "unread messages" Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2586 Summary: Trayicon plugin always show "unread messages" Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: major Priority: P3 Component: Plugins/Trayicon AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: justaz.home at gmail.com Created an attachment (id=1066) --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1066) Screenshot I compiled two plugin - trayicon (default build-in) and "The Notification plugin". After loading Notification plugin tray icon always "UNREAD" (bright, not shaded). Unloading or removing Notification plugin does not change. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From codejodler at gmx.ch Tue Jan 24 07:09:57 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 07:09:57 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly - solved for me In-Reply-To: <20120124033538.01eb6ce1@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120123140643.6d326bc4@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123143137.26d6086c@bonifac.skk> <20120123144850.58912bec@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123184037.1ef429d8@thewildbeast> <20120123215810.3159657b@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120124004618.6ffaec84@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120124033538.01eb6ce1@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120124070957.788876a2@mirrors.kernel.org> Hmm, perhaps not exactly file system access, but how about 'sync' and/or the PCI bus got overloaded ? If you look at http://lists.claws-mail.org/pipermail/users/2012-January/001184.html you can see, both GPU and SATA / DMA controllers are on PCI Express bus 00. The main system memory should be on PCIE too. I'm not at all into mainboard architecture, but when you take into account there are several harddisks and separate partitions for /, /home, and /var (besides some more for different type of user-data) then how about GTK asking for GPU memory was blocked by pending filesystem journal commits (or whatever) which accumulated by no-barriers and data=writeback mode ? And maybe a 'sync' is done when the application gets closed ? Just one weird idea, lacking any clue. From codejodler at gmx.ch Tue Jan 24 07:18:20 2012 From: codejodler at gmx.ch (Michael) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 07:18:20 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Bug 2584] GUI redraws itself slowly - solved for me In-Reply-To: <20120124070957.788876a2@mirrors.kernel.org> References: <20120122163302.0F41285903@mx.colino.net> <20120122181138.17e70302@sleipner.datanom.net> <20120122195330.03022078@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120122201956.6d424a3d@bonifac.skk> <20120123140643.6d326bc4@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123143137.26d6086c@bonifac.skk> <20120123144850.58912bec@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123184037.1ef429d8@thewildbeast> <20120123215810.3159657b@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120124004618.6ffaec84@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120124033538.01eb6ce1@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120124070957.788876a2@mirrors.kernel.org> Message-ID: <20120124071820.337dd3a3@mirrors.kernel.org> > accumulated by no-barriers Correction: accumulated by barriers, that is (barriers=1) From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 24 08:00:00 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:00:00 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2586] Trayicon plugin always show "unread messages" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120124070000.D013885898@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2586 --- Comment #1 from Paul 2012-01-24 08:00:00 --- I don't see the standard trayicon icon in your screenshot, are you using a theme? You probably actually have unread msgs. I can't see any way in which the notification plugin would affect the trayicon plugin. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 24 08:11:47 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:11:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2586] Trayicon plugin always show "unread messages" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120124071147.CDE698590E@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2586 Jone changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID --- Comment #2 from Jone 2012-01-24 08:11:47 --- I have understood a problem. Plug-ins really we will not accept. The problem was with subscriptions to folders IMAP. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 24 08:46:27 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:46:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2355] Embedding external editor through GtkSocket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120124074627.472FB858A4@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2355 --- Comment #4 from David Schneider 2012-01-24 08:46:26 --- As discussed on IRC, I'll improve the patch to allow send/send later/save without having to manually close the editor, and investigate auto-saving of drafts (by monitoring the temporary file, if that's not already being done). After that, it sounds like the feature will be added within the next version or two. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Jan 24 10:52:46 2012 From: richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk (richard) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:52:46 +0000 Subject: [Users] processing rules Message-ID: <20120124095246.3a0c8be1@lappy.g8jvm.com> Greetings, I set a processing rule for age greater than 30 days to hide. I cant find where that rule is stored as I need to remove it. No processing rules are listed :( But its active as messages in the folder have only 30 days shown. Is there a command to remove all processing rules ? -- Best wishes / 73 Richard Bown e-mail: richard at g8jvm.com or richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk nil carborundum a illegitemis ################################################################################## Ham Call G8JVM . OS Fedora FC16 x86_64 on a Dell Insiron N5030 laptop Maidenhead QRA: IO82SP38, LAT. 52 39.720' N LONG. 2 28.171 W ( degs mins ) QRV HF + VHF Microwave 23 cms:140W,13 cms:100W,6 cms:10W & 3 cms:5W ################################################################################## From subscript at free.fr Tue Jan 24 11:02:11 2012 From: subscript at free.fr (wwp) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:02:11 +0100 Subject: [Users] processing rules In-Reply-To: <20120124095246.3a0c8be1@lappy.g8jvm.com> References: <20120124095246.3a0c8be1@lappy.g8jvm.com> Message-ID: <20120124110211.4815b878@monolith> Hello Richard, On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:52:46 +0000 richard wrote: > Greetings, > I set a processing rule for age greater than 30 days to hide. > I cant find where that rule is stored as I need to remove it. > No processing rules are listed :( > But its active as messages in the folder have only 30 days shown. Nothing in the Processing dialog you get by right-clicking the folder name? Nothing in Configuration/Pre-Processing or post-processing? > Is there a command to remove all processing rules ? No.. Regards, -- wwp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Jan 24 11:21:02 2012 From: richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk (richard) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:21:02 +0000 Subject: [Users] processing rules In-Reply-To: <20120124110211.4815b878@monolith> References: <20120124095246.3a0c8be1@lappy.g8jvm.com> <20120124110211.4815b878@monolith> Message-ID: <20120124102102.290cad74@lappy.g8jvm.com> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:02:11 +0100 wwp wrote: > Hello Richard, > > > On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:52:46 +0000 richard > wrote: > > > Greetings, > > I set a processing rule for age greater than 30 days to hide. > > I cant find where that rule is stored as I need to remove it. > > No processing rules are listed :( > > But its active as messages in the folder have only 30 days shown. > > Nothing in the Processing dialog you get by right-clicking the folder > name? Nothing in Configuration/Pre-Processing or post-processing? no, nothing > > > > Is there a command to remove all processing rules ? > > No.. > > > Regards, > OK , thats a shame, Thanks for the prompt reply. two computers both on the same imap server, both running claws mail 3.8.0. this one just shows 30 days, If I set a processing rule of age greater than 3600 days to delete, will that override the processing rule thats active but not displayed ? TIA -- Best wishes / 73 Richard Bown e-mail: richard at g8jvm.com or richard.bown at blueyonder.co.uk nil carborundum a illegitemis ################################################################################## Ham Call G8JVM . OS Fedora FC16 x86_64 on a Dell Insiron N5030 laptop Maidenhead QRA: IO82SP38, LAT. 52 39.720' N LONG. 2 28.171 W ( degs mins ) QRV HF + VHF Microwave 23 cms:140W,13 cms:100W,6 cms:10W & 3 cms:5W ################################################################################## From netuse at lavabit.com Tue Jan 24 12:35:04 2012 From: netuse at lavabit.com (Marco) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:35:04 +0100 Subject: [Users] CC mail with newsgroup and mail account Message-ID: <20120124123504.2bbb9d16@homerow> Hi, I have a gmane account for reading and writing usenet posts. I often want to send a copy of the mail directly to the person taking part in the conversation. But I cannot send emails from the gmane account. My workflow at the moment is: ∙ Compose and send usenet message using the gmane account ∙ Open the message just sent and change the account to and the address to . What I would like to do is ∙ Compose usenet message using the gmane (newsgroups) account ∙ Add recipient to CC ∙ Send the message using the gmane account and the CC mail using my mail account I don't know if that's possible. I wonder how other people solve this. Any suggestions welcome. Marco From brad at fineby.me.uk Tue Jan 24 12:25:45 2012 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:25:45 +0000 Subject: [Users] processing rules In-Reply-To: <20120124102102.290cad74@lappy.g8jvm.com> References: <20120124095246.3a0c8be1@lappy.g8jvm.com> <20120124110211.4815b878@monolith> <20120124102102.290cad74@lappy.g8jvm.com> Message-ID: <20120124112545.531bdac4@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:21:02 +0000 richard wrote: Hello richard, > If I set a processing rule of age greater than 3600 days to delete, > will that override the processing rule thats active but not displayed ? No, both will be active. So you'll not see any change in current behaviour. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" It's becoming an obsession Teenage Depression - Eddie & The Hot Rods -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: not available URL: From albertwagner at cox.net Tue Jan 24 19:08:32 2012 From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert Wagner) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:08:32 -0600 Subject: [Users] Multiple boots sharing Claws info on common partition In-Reply-To: <20120123195001.28c99bcf@elder> References: <20120123195001.28c99bcf@elder> Message-ID: <20120124120832.15c83973@elder> Thanks, guys. No problem using only one distro at a time; only one can be booted at a time. Same UID and GID. I did the same thing on Tbird with several versions at the same time, but Tbird got picky about symlinks and plugins. It worked but was kind of woogety. It was my initial reason for trying Claws. From what I have seen so far, I should have done this years ago. Tbird has gotten clumsy, bloated and slow. I am delighted with Claws. Thanks to the developers. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 24 19:16:10 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:16:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2506] eols get converted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120124181610.C8D17855CB@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2506 --- Comment #3 from mike 2012-01-24 19:16:10 --- What is yours? Claws-mail should not cause an attached file to change from sender to receiver. Steps to reproduce: 1) Type a TeX file, e.g.: gedit test.tex 2) cp test.tex text 3) Start claws-mail and compose a new email 4) Attach the files "text" and "test.tex" 5) Send the email encrypted with PGP/MIME to yourself 6) Receive email and save the attached files 7) Check the filesize of the newly saved files: ls -l text test.tex 8) Be surprised that "test.tex" is couple of bytes larger than "text" because the eols got converted -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 24 19:18:01 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:18:01 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2355] Embedding external editor through GtkSocket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120124181801.9F8EC855CB@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2355 --- Comment #5 from Troy 2012-01-24 19:18:01 --- Feel free to email me off-list if you want help testing. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 24 19:49:14 2012 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:49:14 +0000 Subject: [Users] processing rules In-Reply-To: <20120124102102.290cad74@lappy.g8jvm.com> References: <20120124095246.3a0c8be1@lappy.g8jvm.com> <20120124110211.4815b878@monolith> <20120124102102.290cad74@lappy.g8jvm.com> Message-ID: <20120124184914.31e3f9e4@thewildbeast> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:21:02 +0000 richard wrote: > no, nothing Probably, then, it's a folder processing rule. Right-click the folder and choose 'Processing', then you should see your rule(s). with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 24 20:05:16 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:05:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2506] eols get converted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120124190516.C961B855CB@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2506 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID --- Comment #4 from Paul 2012-01-24 20:05:16 --- This is correct for PGP/MIME'ed msgs. See http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3156.txt -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 24 21:13:21 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:13:21 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2587] New: kerberos ticket-based IMAP logins Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2587 Summary: kerberos ticket-based IMAP logins Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P3 Component: Other AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: aelschuring at hotmail.com >From discussion on IRC, I have understood that claws-mail currently does not support Kerberos ticket-based authentication (that is, use the user's TGT to request an imap/ service ticket). Indeed, when I try to force GSSAPI while having a valid krbtgt, claws doesn't appear to try and an fetch imap/ ticket, it just errors out and dovecot says "Aborted login (no auth attempts)". Mutt appears to work fine: it logs in and afterwards klist shows me it now has imap/ auth tokens. But even with those tokens present, claws does not use them. Filing this as wishlist bug. However, the language in Bug1679 seems to suggest that ticket-based logins used to be possible? -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 24 21:36:09 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:36:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2506] eols get converted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120124203609.B969B855CB@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2506 --- Comment #5 from mike 2012-01-24 21:36:09 --- The only reference to i saw under the linked file was concerning signed messages but i am not talking about signed messages. However i do expect it to work with signed messages, too. neither did i find anything about handling files with different name suffixes differently. i don't care what creative interpretation of this RFC you can come up with -- for endusers it only matters that sending an encrypted (TeX-)file should not alter the received file without warning. thunderbird(+enigmail) does manage that. doesn't matter if they do it by better understanding the rfcs or less caring about the rfc, their endresult is better. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From linxt at comcast.net Tue Jan 24 23:26:22 2012 From: linxt at comcast.net (Thomas Taylor) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:26:22 -0800 Subject: [Users] Multiple boots sharing Claws info on common partition In-Reply-To: <20120123204051.2b68c61b@yendi> References: <20120123195001.28c99bcf@elder> <20120123191422.654006b1@yendi> <20120124034709.7acb1ff9@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123204051.2b68c61b@yendi> Message-ID: <20120124142622.74b09652@desktop-linux-1.home> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:40:51 -0700 Charles Curley wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:47:09 +0100 > Michael wrote: > > > > > > If it's all the same person > > > > Meaning, username and ID have to be the same. (Issue 'id' command in > > terminal) > > User name, group name, UID and GID should all be the same. The user need > not be member of all the same groups. (A good thing, as different > disties assign users to different groups.) And that person wants all > their mail and preferences across all the different installations to be > the same. > > > > > > Everything except the actual mail and some mail metadata files is > > > in ~/.claws-mail. > > > > But why would one not be able to maintain the same mail folder and > > the same ~/.claws-mail for several linux ? Like, symlink it from the > > 'data' partition. > > Sorry, I should have said explicitly that I think one can do exactly > that via symlink. I say, "I think" because I haven't tried it. The > reason I am fairly sure it will work is I have several computers and use > rsync to keep the two directories in sync on them. User name, group > name, UID and GID are all the same. Key to it is to shut down claws > while syncing and only run one instance at a time. > > > > > > And if you used (at least, roughly) the same application versions and > > also want the same application configurations, anyway, then why not > > use one /home (as a mount point) for all Linux. Well, i did not try > > this myself. Maybe there are obstacles. > > I also have not tried this. I suspect some stuff will cause problems, > e.g. Gnome. All your applications would have to be able to use the same > configuration files regardless of version. One package upgrade that > changes a file format or introduces new keywords, or some such, and you > break all the installations you didn't upgrade. That is a nightmare I > didn't care to get into. > > Hi Folks; I've been using a separate partition for "common data" but not config files for several years now. My /home/user has symlinks to the separate partition for things like Documents, Music, Pictures, Mail, etc. I don't put any of the hidden config files there though due to different distros having different versions of the programs. And of course make sure the UID is the same in each distro, otherwise you wouldn't have access to the data files in all distros. Tom -- Tom Taylor - retired penguin openSUSE 11.4 x86_64 openSUSE 12.1 KDE 4.6.00, FF 4.0 KDE 4.7.2, FF 8.0 claws-mail 3.7.9 registered linux user 263467 linxt-At-comcast-DoT-net From albertwagner at cox.net Wed Jan 25 01:58:46 2012 From: albertwagner at cox.net (Albert Wagner) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:58:46 -0600 Subject: [Users] Multiple boots sharing Claws info on common partition In-Reply-To: <20120124142622.74b09652@desktop-linux-1.home> References: <20120123195001.28c99bcf@elder> <20120123191422.654006b1@yendi> <20120124034709.7acb1ff9@mirrors.kernel.org> <20120123204051.2b68c61b@yendi> <20120124142622.74b09652@desktop-linux-1.home> Message-ID: <20120124185846.71ffbd36@elder> > Hi Folks; > I've been using a separate partition for "common data" but not config > files for several years now. My /home/user has symlinks to the > separate partition for things like Documents, Music, Pictures, Mail, > etc. I don't put any of the hidden config files there though due to > different distros having different versions of the programs. And of > course make sure the UID is the same in each distro, otherwise you > wouldn't have access to the data files in all distros. > > Tom > Hi, Tom. "different distros having different versions of the programs" is exactly why I swapped from Firefox/Thunderbird to Chromium/Claws. I'll let you know how that turns out. From netuse at lavabit.com Thu Jan 26 22:32:34 2012 From: netuse at lavabit.com (Marco) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:32:34 +0100 Subject: [Users] CC mail with newsgroup and mail account References: <20120124123504.2bbb9d16@homerow> Message-ID: <20120126223234.5999b24c@homerow> On 2012-01-24 Marco wrote: > Hi, > > I have a gmane account for reading and writing usenet > posts. I often want to send a copy of the mail directly to > the person taking part in the conversation. But I cannot > send emails from the gmane account. > > My workflow at the moment is: > > ∙ Compose and send usenet message using the gmane account > ∙ Open the message just sent and change the account to > and the address to > . > > What I would like to do is > > ∙ Compose usenet message using the gmane (newsgroups) > account > ∙ Add recipient to CC > ∙ Send the message using the gmane account and the CC mail > using my mail account > > I don't know if that's possible. I wonder how other people > solve this. Any suggestions welcome. Am I the only one using gmane with claws? Marco From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 27 00:32:51 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:32:51 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2588] New: claws-mails corrupts a file that is sent as an attachment Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2588 Summary: claws-mails corrupts a file that is sent as an attachment Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: major Priority: P3 Component: Plugins/Privacy AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: mike at suremail.info Claws-mail should not cause an attached file to change from sender to receiver. Steps to reproduce: 1) Type a TeX file, e.g.: gedit test.tex 2) cp test.tex text 3) Start claws-mail and compose a new email 4) Attach the files "text" and "test.tex" 5) Send the email encrypted with PGP/MIME to yourself 6) Receive email and save the attached files 7) Check the filesize of the newly saved files: ls -l text test.tex 8) Be surprised that "test.tex" is couple of bytes larger than "text" because the eols got converted Thunderbird, for example, is more friendly to its user and does not corrupt files in this situation. So please fix this - either ignore the rfc for this or reverse the conversion on save or at very least give a scary warning message that the file will get corrupted. Obviously claws-mail can send files intact (the same file with only a different name(!) gets send correctly) and the use cannot be expected to memorize all the magic file names that cause the conversion. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From relson at osagesoftware.com Fri Jan 27 01:30:21 2012 From: relson at osagesoftware.com (David Relson) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:30:21 -0500 Subject: [Users] mouse vs keyboard Message-ID: <20120126193021.09a25829@osagesoftware.com> I updated to 3.8.0 recently and have noticed what I think is a change in behavior. When I use my mouse to click on the "Delete" icon (with tool-tip "Trash Message"), the current message is deleted without confirmation (which is fine by me). I have ctrl-D set as the hot key for Message//Delete. When I use the hot key, a "Do you really want to delete the message? Cancel. OK." window appears. My recollection is that I used to be able to hit ctrl-D multiple times (to delete multiple messages) and never had to confirm. Is this new/different behavior? Can I set the behavior back to the old way? Regards, David From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 27 07:59:06 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:59:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2588] claws-mails corrupts a file that is sent as an attachment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120127065906.CDD4685898@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2588 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |DUPLICATE --- Comment #1 from Paul 2012-01-27 07:59:06 --- *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 2506 *** -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 27 07:59:07 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:59:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2506] eols get converted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120127065907.343658590E@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2506 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mike at suremail.info --- Comment #6 from Paul 2012-01-27 07:59:06 --- *** Bug 2588 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 27 08:11:41 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 08:11:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2506] eols get converted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120127071141.B666D85711@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2506 --- Comment #7 from Colin Leroy 2012-01-27 08:11:41 --- If your text files should be treated as binary, it's enough to set their mime-type to application/octet-stream. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 27 08:42:58 2012 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:42:58 +0000 Subject: [Users] CC mail with newsgroup and mail account In-Reply-To: <20120124123504.2bbb9d16@homerow> References: <20120124123504.2bbb9d16@homerow> Message-ID: <20120127074258.757c89fd@thewildbeast> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:35:04 +0100 Marco wrote: > I have a gmane account for reading and writing usenet > posts. I often want to send a copy of the mail directly to > the person taking part in the conversation. But I cannot > send emails from the gmane account. > > My workflow at the moment is: > > ∙ Compose and send usenet message using the gmane account > ∙ Open the message just sent and change the account to > and the address to > . > > What I would like to do is > > ∙ Compose usenet message using the gmane (newsgroups) > account > ∙ Add recipient to CC > ∙ Send the message using the gmane account and the CC mail > using my mail account > > I don't know if that's possible. I wonder how other people > solve this. Any suggestions welcome. Fill in the SMTP details on your gmane account. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 27 08:56:48 2012 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:56:48 +0000 Subject: [Users] mouse vs keyboard In-Reply-To: <20120126193021.09a25829@osagesoftware.com> References: <20120126193021.09a25829@osagesoftware.com> Message-ID: <20120127075648.42bc840d@thewildbeast> On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:30:21 -0500 David Relson wrote: > Is this new/different behavior? Can I set the behavior back > to the old way? I don't recall any changes. The button is probably mapped to 'delete message' rather than 'move to trash'. Check the Toolbars/Main window option and change accordingly. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 27 08:59:13 2012 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:59:13 +0000 Subject: [Users] mouse vs keyboard In-Reply-To: <20120127075648.42bc840d@thewildbeast> References: <20120126193021.09a25829@osagesoftware.com> <20120127075648.42bc840d@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20120127075913.2acd86e1@thewildbeast> On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:56:48 +0000 Paul wrote: > I don't recall any changes. The button is probably mapped to 'delete > message' rather than 'move to trash'. Check the Toolbars/Main window > option and change accordingly. I should have added... If you don't want to confirm deletion of msgs then set the hidden option 'live_dangerously'. with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 27 09:03:10 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:03:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2583] if NetworkManager is not running claws hangs for 30 seconds at startup and shutdown In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120127080310.5118D85711@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2583 --- Comment #1 from Paul 2012-01-27 09:03:09 --- Try setting the 'use_networkmanager' hidden pref to 0 -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 27 10:05:16 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 10:05:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2257] Some email bodies not retrieved from Exchange 2007 thru IMAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120127090516.9ECB385711@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2257 --- Comment #6 from DragonK 2012-01-27 10:05:16 --- This is also happening on an Exchange 2010 server with claws-mail 3.8.0 The workaround mentioned in comment #2 doesn't seem to help in my case. I'm attaching a debug log; there are two accounts in that log (unfortunately), the problem appears for EXCHANGE-ACCOUNT. In the last part of the log I'm clicking between a message for which body displays and one for which it doesn't. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 27 10:06:33 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 10:06:33 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2257] Some email bodies not retrieved from Exchange 2007 thru IMAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120127090633.5BE4585711@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2257 --- Comment #7 from DragonK 2012-01-27 10:06:32 --- Created an attachment (id=1067) --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1067) Claws debug log -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 27 12:21:28 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:21:28 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2589] New: Crashed when viewing html mail from facebook (notification) Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2589 Summary: Crashed when viewing html mail from facebook (notification) Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: Plugins/Fancy AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: arunvragh at gmail.com Created an attachment (id=1068) --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1068) Crashed when clicked on msg from Facebook (notification of new postings) -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 27 12:22:05 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:22:05 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2589] Crashed when viewing html mail from facebook (notification) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120127112205.C2FCD858EF@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2589 Arun V Raghavan changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Platform|PC |HP -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 27 13:54:48 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:54:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2589] Crashed when viewing html mail from facebook (notification) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120127125448.D7C9D85711@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2589 --- Comment #1 from Salvatore De Paolis 2012-01-27 13:54:48 --- What about webkit version? You can find it out from the plugin description. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From netuse at lavabit.com Fri Jan 27 14:03:02 2012 From: netuse at lavabit.com (Marco) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:03:02 +0100 Subject: [Users] CC mail with newsgroup and mail account References: <20120124123504.2bbb9d16@homerow> <20120127074258.757c89fd@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20120127140302.6091f7ab@homerow> On 2012-01-27 Paul wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:35:04 +0100 > Marco wrote: > > > I have a gmane account for reading and writing usenet > > posts. I often want to send a copy of the mail directly to > > the person taking part in the conversation. But I cannot > > send emails from the gmane account. > > > > My workflow at the moment is: > > > > ∙ Compose and send usenet message using the gmane account > > ∙ Open the message just sent and change the account to > > and the address to > > . > > > > What I would like to do is > > > > ∙ Compose usenet message using the gmane (newsgroups) > > account > > ∙ Add recipient to CC > > ∙ Send the message using the gmane account and the CC mail > > using my mail account > > > > I don't know if that's possible. I wonder how other people > > solve this. Any suggestions welcome. > > Fill in the SMTP details on your gmane account. The ones in the field "Server Information"? I tried to insert the mail server from my email account, but I got an error while sending the news messages. I'm not sure how things work behind the scenes, but I think there should be two servers involved, one sending the message to the newsgroup (gmane), the other one uses a normal email account to send the CC to the recipient. Marco From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 27 14:21:29 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:21:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2590] New: Un-capitalize strings Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2590 Summary: Un-capitalize strings Product: Claws Mail Version: CVS Platform: All OS/Version: All Status: NEW Severity: trivial Priority: P3 Component: UI/Folder List AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: mail at earthworm.de Created an attachment (id=1069) --> (http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1069) Un-capitalize strings Some strings have words with capitals which they really should not. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From sigrid.carrera at googlemail.com Fri Jan 27 19:54:40 2012 From: sigrid.carrera at googlemail.com (Sigrid Carrera) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:54:40 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws 3.7.9 on Ubuntu 11.10 with gnome-shell Message-ID: <20120127195440.7e255373@sigrid-laptop> Hi, I have a very strange behaviour with Claws: I recently installed Ubuntu 11.10 on my netbook and I automatically installed my preferred mailclient: Claws in the version 3.7.9 from the Ubuntu repositories. Now I wanted to create my filter rules again, but I could create only one rule at a time. When I tried to create a second filter rule, I was only able to click on "Create Filter rule > Automatically" but I could not select the folder where those mails should go to. I also wasn't able to close the window. Only possible way to end this, was to kill claws from the terminal. So what I had to do was the following: - Open Claws - Create 1 Filter rule - Close Claws - Open Claws - Create 1 Filter rule - Close Claws ... Is this known? Is this because I'm using gnome-shell? Does anyone have a better solution? Thanks for any hints you can give. Sigrid From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Fri Jan 27 20:01:29 2012 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:01:29 +0000 Subject: [Users] Claws 3.7.9 on Ubuntu 11.10 with gnome-shell In-Reply-To: <20120127195440.7e255373@sigrid-laptop> References: <20120127195440.7e255373@sigrid-laptop> Message-ID: <20120127190129.7e0b0e15@thewildbeast> On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:54:40 +0100 Sigrid Carrera wrote: > Is this known? Is this because I'm using gnome-shell? Does anyone > have a better solution? You mean other than avoiding gnome-shell? :-) with regards Paul -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From sigrid.carrera at googlemail.com Fri Jan 27 20:54:46 2012 From: sigrid.carrera at googlemail.com (Sigrid Carrera) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:54:46 +0100 Subject: [Users] Claws 3.7.9 on Ubuntu 11.10 with gnome-shell In-Reply-To: <20120127190129.7e0b0e15@thewildbeast> References: <20120127195440.7e255373@sigrid-laptop> <20120127190129.7e0b0e15@thewildbeast> Message-ID: <20120127205446.47f79a8e@sigrid-laptop> Hi Paul, On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:01:29 +0000 Paul wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:54:40 +0100 > Sigrid Carrera wrote: > > > Is this known? Is this because I'm using gnome-shell? Does anyone > > have a better solution? > > You mean other than avoiding gnome-shell? :-) yes, you're correct. I kind of like gnome-shell, that's why I would be grateful if there is another solution. But ok, if there's no solution, that I just have to manage it in my described way. At least closing and opening Claws is enough. And usually you set up filter rules only once... ;-) Sigrid From littlergirl at gmail.com Fri Jan 27 22:10:31 2012 From: littlergirl at gmail.com (Little Girl) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:10:31 -0500 Subject: [Users] Claws 3.7.9 on Ubuntu 11.10 with gnome-shell In-Reply-To: <20120127205446.47f79a8e@sigrid-laptop> References: <20120127195440.7e255373@sigrid-laptop> <20120127190129.7e0b0e15@thewildbeast> <20120127205446.47f79a8e@sigrid-laptop> Message-ID: <4f2312c9.0aaee00a.372a.ffffb5e0@mx.google.com> Hey there, Sigrid Carrera wrote: > But ok, if there's no solution, that I just have to manage it in my > described way. At least closing and opening Claws is enough. And > usually you set up filter rules only once... ;-) Or you could edit the matcherrc file in a text editor and write all the filters at once. (: -- Little Girl There is no spoon. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 28 05:57:29 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 05:57:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2591] New: Client crashes on filters Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2591 Summary: Client crashes on filters Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.7.8 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: blocker Priority: P3 Component: Filtering AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: rdclaw at liroy.pro Hi, Not sure if this is a known bug (couldnt get search results) but my client crashes when trying to create a filter. When typing in a rule and I click "Define", it thinks for a moment and then completely crashes. Stack trace: Claws Mail version 3.7.8 GTK+ version 2.22.1 / GLib 2.28.0 Locale: nl_NL.UTF-8 (charset: UTF-8) Features: IPv6 iconv compface GnuTLS LDAP JPilot GNU/aspell libetpan libSM Operating system: Linux 2.6.37.6-0.9-desktop (x86_64) C Library: GNU libc 2.11.3 -- [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 0x7fe108110700 (LWP 23239)] 0x00007fe1126dbe6d in waitpid () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 #0 0x00007fe1126dbe6d in waitpid () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 No symbol table info available. #1 0x000000000049c79b in ?? () No symbol table info available. #2 No symbol table info available. #3 0x00007fe114a837f5 in gtk_tree_model_get_valist () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #4 0x00007fe114a83ad9 in gtk_tree_model_get () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #5 0x00000000005fc943 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #6 0x00007fe114aa4cd5 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #7 0x00007fe114aa531c in gtk_tree_view_set_cursor_on_cell () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #8 0x00007fe11491c947 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #9 0x00007fe114920978 in gtk_combo_box_set_active () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #10 0x000000000055a844 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #11 0x000000000055d174 in prefs_matcher_open () No symbol table info available. #12 0x00007fe11248ad3e in g_closure_invoke () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #13 0x00007fe11249c367 in ?? () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #14 0x00007fe1124a5ca5 in g_signal_emit_valist () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #15 0x00007fe1124a5e73 in g_signal_emit () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #16 0x00007fe1148fd595 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #17 0x00007fe11248ad3e in g_closure_invoke () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #18 0x00007fe11249bb2c in ?? () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #19 0x00007fe1124a5ca5 in g_signal_emit_valist () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #20 0x00007fe1124a5e73 in g_signal_emit () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #21 0x00007fe1148fc34d in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #22 0x00007fe1149a6278 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #23 0x00007fe11248ad3e in g_closure_invoke () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #24 0x00007fe11249c178 in ?? () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #25 0x00007fe1124a5a45 in g_signal_emit_valist () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #26 0x00007fe1124a5e73 in g_signal_emit () from /lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #27 0x00007fe114ac17bf in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #28 0x00007fe1149a4433 in gtk_propagate_event () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #29 0x00007fe1149a47e3 in gtk_main_do_event () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #30 0x00007fe11460f12c in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #31 0x00007fe111fcabd3 in g_main_context_dispatch () from /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #32 0x00007fe111fcb3b0 in ?? () from /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #33 0x00007fe111fcba35 in g_main_loop_run () from /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #34 0x00007fe1149a37e7 in gtk_main () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #35 0x00000000004fbf89 in main () No symbol table info available. Kill the program being debugged? (y or n) [answered Y; input not from terminal] I notice there are newer versions, but openSuse repo does not seem to contain it, it states this is the version optimized for openSuSe, so I figured i'd raise a bug report here before going over to a manual install... Though I kinda doubt it really is optmized, lol. Thank you -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 28 11:28:20 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:28:20 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2591] Client crashes on filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120128102821.0A879858A4@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2591 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |DUPLICATE --- Comment #1 from Paul 2012-01-28 11:28:20 --- please always verify that the bug exists in the latest version, and search existing bug reports, before reporting *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 2279 *** -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 28 11:28:21 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:28:21 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2279] whenever i click on the [Define] button on the Filtering configuration window (next to Condition field) the program crashes( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120128102821.486F9855CB@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2279 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |rdclaw at liroy.pro --- Comment #18 from Paul 2012-01-28 11:28:20 --- *** Bug 2591 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 28 14:34:07 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 14:34:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 1981] scanning Sent box again and again and again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120128133407.ABA7D858A4@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1981 Tarlika Elisabeth Schmitz changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|WORKSFORME | --- Comment #2 from Tarlika Elisabeth Schmitz 2012-01-28 14:34:07 --- I upgraded to Vlawsmail version 3.5.0 and the problem persisted. What solved the problem for me was migrating from courier-imap to dovecot-imapd. >From the day the server operated on dovecot-imapd, the sent-box was never re-scanned again. However, there is obviously a problem in the claws-mail and courier-imap constellation. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sat Jan 28 16:15:29 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:15:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 1981] scanning Sent box again and again and again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120128151529.64667858A4@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1981 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |WORKSFORME --- Comment #3 from Paul 2012-01-28 16:15:28 --- See comment #1. (3.5.0 was released over 2 and a half years ago and there have been 14 releases since then) -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From claws at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 29 09:16:06 2012 From: claws at thewildbeast.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 08:16:06 +0000 Subject: [Users] New and Updated Themes now available Message-ID: <20120129081606.746d4a29@thewildbeast> One new theme and one updated theme are now available for download from http://www.claws-mail.org/themes.php Updated: elementary Author: Simon Steinbeiß New: KDE4ish Author: Richard J.M. Hill The complete set of themes can be downloaded here: http://www.claws-mail.org/themes/claws-mail-themes-20120129.tar.gz Enjoy! -- It isn't worth a nickel to two guys like you or me, but to a collector it is worth a fortune From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 29 16:34:48 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:34:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2592] New: [GTK2][XFCE4] - Window is created below panel/taskbar Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2592 Summary: [GTK2][XFCE4] - Window is created below panel/taskbar Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Platform: PC OS/Version: FreeBSD Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: dorionpatrick at gmail.com DESCRIPTION Using XFCE 4.8, the Claws windows is created within the GTK2 framework below a panel item, equivalent to the Windows taskbar or OS X's Dock. RECREATION - Boot FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-amd64-p6; - Launch XFCE 4.8 on Xorg 7.5.1 (ports tree current versions); - Launch Claws Mail 3.8.0. RESULT The window is created below the desktop panel application and its position does not seem to be remembered between launches either by Claws Mail or by the XFCE session restore feature. RECOMMENDATION Create the Claws Mail client window in a standard manner. NOTES This bug is related to others reporting lack of window properties restoration and issues with window decorations which were claimed fixed and dated back to 2008. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 29 17:24:30 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 17:24:30 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2592] [XFCE4] - Window is created below panel/taskbar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120129162430.1B0E7858A4@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2592 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|[GTK2][XFCE4] - Window is |[XFCE4] - Window is created |created below panel/taskbar |below panel/taskbar --- Comment #1 from Paul 2012-01-29 17:24:29 --- What do you mean by "standard manner" (in your RECOMMENDATION)? How do you know it is related to the "claimed fixed" bug items (in your NOTES)? Have you noticed this behvaiour with just XFCE 4.8, or with earlier XFCE also? -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Sun Jan 29 21:31:58 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:31:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2592] [XFCE4] - Window is created below panel/taskbar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120129203158.B8874858A4@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2592 --- Comment #2 from dorionpatrick 2012-01-29 21:31:58 --- I imagine there's a standard window creation method (or a style that everyone else uses) with GTK, or a variable that is set so that the windows isn't always created on the current desktop at (0,0) regardless of previous position. I'm not entirely sure how it works and it could be some time before I figure it out. It appears related, in the very least, there were bug reports about window parameter persistence in the past. Actually I'm fairly new to XFCE and that being said, the issue hasn't occurred with any of the 30-ish GTK applications I tested on it. This leads me to believe that the problem is linked to Claws. I'm sorry I can't bring you acute technical details. -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From alb348 at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 12:10:15 2012 From: alb348 at gmail.com (alb348 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:10:15 +0100 Subject: [Users] Webmail support in Claws Mail Message-ID: <4F267A97.4050603@gmail.com> Hi could Claws Mail access webmail accounts *as webmail*? What I mean is that, in addition to using the POP3/IMAP protocols to retrieve and manage your mail locally, you would also have 'links', within Claws Mail, to those webmail accounts (possibly, with notifications for new mail); by clicking on those links, the relevant webmail account would open *as webmail* (HTML and all), without the user having to enter username and password (which were previously provided and have been stored). This could be accomplished either via HTML support provided by Claws Mail, or by opening the webmail account via an external browser (feeding the username and the password to the browser, so that the webmail account opens right away, without asking anything). This solution (already implemented in Thuderbird's Webmail add-on) is very useful if you have many accounts, and saves a lot of time. Thunderbird's implementation works great. I am proposing this as a new feature in Claws Mail. Cheers Alby From list at eworm.de Mon Jan 30 12:18:55 2012 From: list at eworm.de (Christian Hesse) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:18:55 +0100 Subject: [Users] Webmail support in Claws Mail In-Reply-To: <4F267A97.4050603@gmail.com> References: <4F267A97.4050603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120130121855.003c0daa@leda.vpn.lugor.de> alb348 at gmail.com on Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:10:15 +0100: > Hi > > could Claws Mail access webmail accounts *as webmail*? > What I mean is that, in addition to using the POP3/IMAP protocols to > retrieve and manage your mail locally, you would also have 'links', > within Claws Mail, to those webmail accounts (possibly, with > notifications for new mail); by clicking on those links, the relevant > webmail account would open *as webmail* (HTML and all), without the user > having to enter username and password (which were previously provided > and have been stored). This could be accomplished either via HTML > support provided by Claws Mail, or by opening the webmail account via an > external browser (feeding the username and the password to the browser, > so that the webmail account opens right away, without asking anything). > This solution (already implemented in Thuderbird's Webmail add-on) is > very useful if you have many accounts, and saves a lot of time. > Thunderbird's implementation works great. > I am proposing this as a new feature in Claws Mail. Does this bring any benefits? I do not think it make any sense to read *mails* in a browser instead of a *mail* client. (I do have a lot of account and CM handles them perfectly without the help of a web browser.) -- Best regards, Chris O< ascii ribbon campaign stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org From alb348 at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 12:43:43 2012 From: alb348 at gmail.com (alb348 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:43:43 +0100 Subject: [Users] Webmail support in Claws Mail In-Reply-To: <20120130121855.003c0daa@leda.vpn.lugor.de> References: <4F267A97.4050603@gmail.com> <20120130121855.003c0daa@leda.vpn.lugor.de> Message-ID: <4F26826F.80108@gmail.com> On 2012-01-30 12:18, Christian Hesse wrote: > alb348 at gmail.com on Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:10:15 +0100: >> Hi >> >> could Claws Mail access webmail accounts *as webmail*? >> What I mean is that, in addition to using the POP3/IMAP protocols to >> retrieve and manage your mail locally, you would also have 'links', >> within Claws Mail, to those webmail accounts (possibly, with >> notifications for new mail); by clicking on those links, the relevant >> webmail account would open *as webmail* (HTML and all), without the user >> having to enter username and password (which were previously provided >> and have been stored). This could be accomplished either via HTML >> support provided by Claws Mail, or by opening the webmail account via an >> external browser (feeding the username and the password to the browser, >> so that the webmail account opens right away, without asking anything). >> This solution (already implemented in Thuderbird's Webmail add-on) is >> very useful if you have many accounts, and saves a lot of time. >> Thunderbird's implementation works great. >> I am proposing this as a new feature in Claws Mail. > Does this bring any benefits? > I do not think it make any sense to read *mails* in a browser instead of a > *mail* client. > It does bring a major benefit in terms of privacy: your IP address is masked when you send an email directly from the webmail (although not all webmails provide this courtesy), whereas an email sent via SMTP *always* contains the IP address of the sender. Try sending two email from the same Google account, one via the webmail, the other via your email client. In the first case, the privacy of your IP address is protected, and there is no telling where you are physically located at the moment of sending the enmail, whereas in the second case your IP address is disclosed, so everyone can know where you are geographically located at that moment. Just think of the possible implications. I will mention only one: people will know that you are away on vacation, simply by the fact that your IP address tells you. Now, in case you are thinking "you must be really paranaoid, because people do not normally go and reverse check every IP address of each email to find the location", let me tell you something else: there are tools (a Thunderbird add-on is readily available) that do this check for you automatically, for each email, so that the the geographical information at the top of the email. You may call me paranoid, but the thought that everyone can easily know that this weeked I am here or there, and that on that date I was in that city, is a rather disturbing thought, which flatly violates any privacy expectation. Of course, NSA and similar agencies can easily find out about your whereabouts anyway. But what I was talking about is virtually anyone of your contacts (e.g. hundreds of people on the mailing list you suscribe to...) I hope this clarification makes a convincing case for the usefulness of what I proposed. If Claws Mail aims to be the best email clients (and it certainly has all the makings for it), this privacy consideration should not be just ignored. From colin at colino.net Mon Jan 30 13:10:27 2012 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:10:27 +0100 Subject: [Users] Webmail support in Claws Mail In-Reply-To: <4F26826F.80108@gmail.com> References: <4F267A97.4050603@gmail.com> <20120130121855.003c0daa@leda.vpn.lugor.de> <4F26826F.80108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120130131027.3d06ffb1@colin> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:43:43 +0100, alb348 at gmail.com wrote: Hi, > there are > tools (a Thunderbird add-on is readily available) that do this check > for you automatically, for each email, so that the the geographical > information at the top of the email. Yeah, we have such a plugin too. > You may call me paranoid, but the thought that everyone can easily > know that this weeked I am here or there, and that on that date I was > in that city, is a rather disturbing thought, which flatly violates > any privacy expectation. If your privacy expectation is that high, you'd be better off sending your emails via your own server, configured with SSL + SMTP authentication and configured to avoid logging the submitter's IP address. -- Colin From alb348 at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 13:27:33 2012 From: alb348 at gmail.com (alb348 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:27:33 +0100 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) Message-ID: <4F268CB5.5020102@gmail.com> * *>>/You may call me paranoid, but the thought that everyone can easily />>/know that this weekend I am here or there, and that on that date I was />>/in that city, is a rather disturbing thought, which flatly violates />>/any privacy expectation. / Colin wrote: >If your privacy expectation is that high, you'd be better off sending >your emails via your own server, configured with SSL + SMTP authentication >and configured to avoid logging the submitter's IP address. Sorry, Colin, but it is not really the case that my privacy expectations are "that" high. Moreover, instead of the technically advanced solution that you suggested, I would rather use the relatively simpler solution of using webmail. As I explained in my first post, such a solution is already available as a Thunderbird add-on (under the name Webmail Notifier, although it is something more than a simple notifier), and it works great. Why can't we have the same thing in Claws Mail? From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Mon Jan 30 13:32:20 2012 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:32:20 +0000 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) In-Reply-To: <4F268CB5.5020102@gmail.com> References: <4F268CB5.5020102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120130123220.311aef8c@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:27:33 +0100 alb348 at gmail.com wrote: > Why can't we have the same thing in Claws Mail? We can, but someone needs to design and code it. If none of the existing developers are in a position to do this or want to do it then it will be down to someone new (such as you for instance) deciding that they want this feature and sitting down to create such a plugin. -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From alb348 at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 18:56:58 2012 From: alb348 at gmail.com (alb348 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:56:58 +0100 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) In-Reply-To: <04d0f0bd-abd9-495b-aa64-873aaed8ae23@email.android.com> References: <4F268CB5.5020102@gmail.com> <04d0f0bd-abd9-495b-aa64-873aaed8ae23@email.android.com> Message-ID: <4F26D9EA.2030004@gmail.com> On 2012-01-30 15:54, Holger Berndt wrote: > I don't think it's correct to sell that as privacy feature anyways. It > may be that the effect you describe is currently observable, but it's > mostly a coincidental side effect that might go away any minute. Holger Holger, I think that you will have to agree that, if something does enhance privacy, then by definition it *is* a privacy feature, regardless of whether the element posing the privacy threat (in our case: the IP address given out) is coincidental or not. As things stand now, there is not only a clear and present danger, but a *certainty* that each and every email we send out via SMTP contains our geographical location. What I will grant you is that the breach of privacy was in no way caused by Claws Mail (which I never implied), being something inherent in the SMTP protocol. If CM (through a plugin) were to provide the easy links that I suggested, this would facilitate the webmail-based workaround to the privacy problem, and I don't see why this should not be counted as a pro-privacy service rendered by CM. And one that would be appreciated by many security-conscious people, I am sure. In the end, it boils down to: if we do implement the proposed feature in CM, the effect of this pro-privacy improvement may or may not last (because the protocols and the standards may change at any time). If, on the other hand, we simply let things stand as they are, without doing anything, there is the certainty that the origin of each and every email sent through CM can be geographically pinpointed by the recipient (again, through no fault on CM's part). I conclude by outlining a very realistic scenario in which the problem posed by this privacy threat is highlighted. It is just an example, but a very real one. If your employer wants to check on you, and has enough financial and technological resources to do so, he can use the services of IT experts who will be able to track you down even when you are on holiday. All they have to do is to prompt you to send an email, and this can be easily done by sending you an urgent work-related request on some matter, requiring you to reply via email; or impersonating someone on a mailing list (even if unrelated to your job) that you subscribe to; any trick will do, to get you to send an email. Now, whether it is you employer or any other people or organizations with adequate means, they can easily do link analysis of your emails, and possibly match your data with the data from other people's emails. Keep in mind that what I am talking about is not super tech CIA stuff from a spy novel, because all this can be accomplished by anyone who receives an email from you, simply by analyzing its headers. It's quite trivial too. As a practical example, say that you belong to a political party or to a group, but you don't want your employer to know about it. During the weekend, you attend a meeting of the members of that organization, in another city. If you send out even a single email from that location, your secret affiliation is as good as compromised, because your unusual IP address may raise a red flag in the security system of your employer, which unbeknown to you routinely analyzes the headers of all your emails, looking for anomalies; once their curiosity has been triggered, their the next step will be to find out why you were there; simply on holiday or something more? Don't fool yourself. Over time, your presence will easily be linked to the events that you are attending, especially when other known people coincidentally happen to be in the same place at the same time. A pattern will gradually emerge, and aquire a certain meaning. This year the conference was in San Francisco, last year it was in Chicago, and two years ago it was in Toronto. And you were exactly at those locations over those weekends. A mere coincidence? Naturally, all this may well have serious repercussions on your career and on your life. So, please, do not discount the implications of a seemingly innocuous privacy breach such as the disclosure of your IP address. From hannes at yllr.net Mon Jan 30 19:56:33 2012 From: hannes at yllr.net (Hannes =?UTF-8?B?U2Now7xsbGVy?=) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:56:33 +0100 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) In-Reply-To: <4F268CB5.5020102@gmail.com> References: <4F268CB5.5020102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120130195633.58c2208c@x61s.localdomain> alb348 at gmail.com wrote: > * > *>>/You may call me paranoid, but the thought that everyone can easily > />>/know that this weekend I am here or there, and that on that date > I was />>/in that city, is a rather disturbing thought, which flatly > violates />>/any privacy expectation. / > > Colin wrote: > >If your privacy expectation is that high, you'd be better off > >sending your emails via your own server, configured with SSL + SMTP > >authentication > >and configured to avoid logging the submitter's IP address. > > Sorry, Colin, but it is not really the case that my privacy > expectations are "that" high. > > Moreover, instead of the technically advanced solution that you > suggested, I would > rather use the relatively simpler solution of using webmail. Why don't you just tunnel to your home network. That's as simple as it gets. No need for a dedicated SMTP server etc. Hannes From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Mon Jan 30 20:31:09 2012 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:31:09 +0000 Subject: [Users] gdata plugin - complains about libgdata version on Fedora 16 Message-ID: <20120130193109.23ce9e74@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> The gdata plugin seems to want libgdata to be at version 0.9, but F16 ships libgdata-0.10.1 and so now the plugin won't build. Is this easily fixable or is the requirement important? -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From alb348 at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 20:36:56 2012 From: alb348 at gmail.com (alb348 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:36:56 +0100 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) Message-ID: <4F26F158.8030407@gmail.com> Hannes Schüller (hannes at yllr.ne) wrote: > Why don't you just tunnel to your home network. That's as simple > as it gets. No need for a dedicated SMTP server etc. It's hardly "as simple as it gets". I fail to see how this is simpler than using webmail for sending out an email. Also, you need some expertise to set up a tunnel, and such expertise is not within everyone's reach. Why to look for more complicated solutions while webmail already provides the optimal solution? From finkandreas at web.de Mon Jan 30 20:52:14 2012 From: finkandreas at web.de (Andreas Fink) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:52:14 +0100 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) In-Reply-To: <4F26F158.8030407@gmail.com> References: <4F26F158.8030407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120130205214.1b016e86@jocker-laptop> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:36:56 +0100 alb348 at gmail.com wrote: > Hannes Schüller (hannes at yllr.ne) wrote: > > > Why don't you just tunnel to your home network. That's as simple > > as it gets. No need for a dedicated SMTP server etc. > > It's hardly "as simple as it gets". I fail to see how this is simpler > than using webmail for sending out an email. > Also, you need some expertise to set up a tunnel, and such expertise is > not within > everyone's reach. > Why to look for more complicated solutions while webmail already > provides the optimal solution? Hm, I don't get the exact problem? Why does claws-mail need to be a browser? Claws-Mail does not even natively support html rendering... And besides all that, I don't think that a generic webmail login is possible. It basically comes down to the steps: 1. Fetch the webmail html site 2. Find the Username/Password fields 3. Find the button to login The first step is easy to configure, just let there be an entry for the URL. The second and third step already seem much harder in a generic way. I understand that it is possible, and probably for the biggest mail-provider there are really fast solutions, but still it will never be a full support for all email provider. Could you please explain shortly, why it would be better to open your webmail in claws-mail instead of the browser (both, firefox and chrome/chromium support password saving mechanisms, so you do not even have to type your username/password). You couldn't even enjoy the addressbook of claws-mail, since claws-mail would never know, which field in your webmail is an email-address field and which is the subject field, etc... Cheers Andreas From hannes at yllr.net Mon Jan 30 21:10:23 2012 From: hannes at yllr.net (Hannes =?UTF-8?B?U2Now7xsbGVy?=) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:10:23 +0100 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) In-Reply-To: <4F26F158.8030407@gmail.com> References: <4F26F158.8030407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120130211023.207a5d1f@x61s.localdomain> alb348 at gmail.com wrote: > Hannes Schüller (hannes at yllr.ne) wrote: > > > Why don't you just tunnel to your home network. That's as simple > > as it gets. No need for a dedicated SMTP server etc. > > It's hardly "as simple as it gets". I fail to see how this is simpler > than using webmail for sending out an email. > Also, you need some expertise to set up a tunnel, and such expertise > is not within > everyone's reach. > Why to look for more complicated solutions while webmail already > provides the optimal solution? I'd hardly call using a commercial webmail provider "optimal" with respect to privacy. Hannes From brad at fineby.me.uk Mon Jan 30 21:20:22 2012 From: brad at fineby.me.uk (Brad Rogers) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:20:22 +0000 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) In-Reply-To: <4F26F158.8030407@gmail.com> References: <4F26F158.8030407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120130202022.3fef39b2@abydos.stargate.org.uk> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:36:56 +0100 alb348 at gmail.com wrote: Hello alb348 at gmail.com, > It's hardly "as simple as it gets". I fail to see how this is simpler > than using webmail for sending out an email. You keep on about webmail. So why not use it? All you need is (fx: drum roll) a web browser. After all, that's the tool that web mail was designed for. Claws is a mail user agent, MUA for short. It patently *isn't* a web browser. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Just coz they do it in the movies, don't mean to say that it's cool Keep It Clean - The Vibrators -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alb348 at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 21:56:52 2012 From: alb348 at gmail.com (alb348 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:56:52 +0100 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) Message-ID: <4F270414.3000107@gmail.com> Andreas Fink (finkandreas at web.de) wrote:* *>Hm, I don't get the exact problem? Why does claws-mail need to be >a browser? Claws-Mail does not even natively support html rendering... Providing some browser-like functionality, to the minimum extent needed to display webmail should not be too much of a problem, I believe. >And besides all that, I don't think that a generic webmail login is possible. It basically comes down to the steps: 1. Fetch the webmail html site 2. Find the Username/Password fields 3. Find the button to login The first step is easy to configure, just let there be an entry for the URL. The second and third step already seem much harder in a generic way. I understand that it is possible, and probably for the biggest mail-provider there are really fast solutions, but still it will never be a full support for all email provider. Agreed. Exactly as you say. Nonetheless, integrating within Claws Mail the webmail support for at least the big email providers (which account for a large chunk of total email use) is a major step in the right direction. In any case only *some* webmail servers, like Google (Yahoo and Hotmail don't, for instance), obscure the IP address of the end-user, so we would not bother to provide support for *all* webmail servers. Personally, I would be satisfied with Google's webmail. >Could you please explain shortly, why it would be better to open your webmail in claws-mail instead of the browser (both, firefox and chrome/chromium support password saving mechanisms, so you do not even have to type your username/password). Because for reading, filtering and sorting your incoming emails you would still be using Claws Mail in its normal way, with all its advantages. Webmail would only come into play when you send out emails. With this arrangement, you will have the best of both worlds. If I remember correctly, some webmail providers will let you synch your local email client with emails that you sent from their webmail. So, an email sent out via webmail will be downloaded from the server and stored into your local email client, under the Sent folder, as if it had been sent out via your local email client. This way, you will have your complete archive locally available, without having your privacy compromised by the SMTP protocol. >You couldn't even enjoy the addressbook of claws-mail, since claws-mail would never know, which field in your webmail is an email-address field and which is the subject field, etc... Why could it not be done? If a plugin is able to open a webmail account and go through authentication procedures (as Thunderbird's add-on can already do), why shouldn't be able to intelligently feed data, taken from CM's addressbook into the webmail fields? One smart way of going about it could be: 1) you compose your email in Claws Mail, exactly as you would normally do 2) when you press Send, instead of using the SMTP protocol, Claws Mail opens the relavant webmail account 3) it automatically presses Compose within the webmail account and feeds the webpage with the data from the email already composed within Claws Mail 4) it sends the email out via the server's webmail Steps 2, 3 and 4 could be executed in the background. This way, the user will experience nothing different from his usual routine. A copy of the dispatched email will immediately be placed the local Sent folder (without even the need to retrieve the email from the server's Sent folder and synch your local archive). Naturally, this requires hard coding work. But I don't see why it should not be feasible. If this is implemented in Claws Mail, the privacy violation inherent in SMTP will be circumvented. With a proper implementation, the solution would be seamless, without the user having to pay any price (complexity, confusion, etc). I hope this helps. From alb348 at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 22:06:07 2012 From: alb348 at gmail.com (alb348 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:06:07 +0100 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) Message-ID: <4F27063F.6090501@gmail.com> Hannes Schüller (hannes at yllr.net) wrote: >I'd hardly call using a commercial webmail provider "optimal" with respect to privacy. Nonetheless, in my opinion this is still the best possible balance you can get between simplicity and security. Sure, if you send your data through a Google's webmail, Google (like any other provider) will read all your contents, and use them (even if they don't admit ot openly). On the other hand, leaving the things as they are now, as I explained in my earlier email, is much worse, because passing through a regular SMTP will seriously compromise your privacy. From finkandreas at web.de Mon Jan 30 22:13:47 2012 From: finkandreas at web.de (Andreas Fink) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:13:47 +0100 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) In-Reply-To: <4F270414.3000107@gmail.com> References: <4F270414.3000107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120130221347.3fd250a9@jocker-laptop> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:56:52 +0100 alb348 at gmail.com wrote: > Agreed. Exactly as you say. Nonetheless, integrating within Claws Mail > the webmail support for at least the big email providers (which account > for a large chunk of total email use) is a major step in the right > direction. In any case only *some* webmail servers, like Google (Yahoo > and Hotmail don't, for instance), obscure the IP address of the > end-user, so we would not bother to provide support for *all* webmail > servers. Personally, I would be satisfied with Google's webmail. Sorry for this: You're talking about privacy problems and are using a gmail account at the same time? Kind of contradictory for me ;) > 1) you compose your email in Claws Mail, exactly as you would normally do > 2) when you press Send, instead of using the SMTP protocol, Claws Mail > opens the relavant webmail account > 3) it automatically presses Compose within the webmail account and feeds > the webpage with the data from the email already composed within Claws Mail > 4) it sends the email out via the server's webmail > Steps 2, 3 and 4 could be executed in the background. This way, the user > will experience nothing different from his usual routine. > A copy of the dispatched email will immediately be placed the local Sent > folder (without even the need to retrieve the email from the server's > Sent folder and synch your local archive). > > Naturally, this requires hard coding work. But I don't see why it should > not be feasible. To summarize your request (and also for me, if I understood you right): Basically all you want is not using the SMTP protocol but, somehow sending the email via the web interface... This sounds like you do not even want to see the web interface, you just care about hiding your IP address. Just use Tor, if you really care that much about being tracked by your IP address. What you suggest is a hacked solution, as any change in the web-interface basically renders the plugin into a broken state, as this is not a public API... I'm not a developer of claws-mail, but I'm programming from time to time, and I know that I would never ever implement something like your request, as it is damned for being broken 90% of the time. It's like changing the source code every second/third day (at least if you support more than just gmail) Cheers Andreas From alb348 at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 22:15:02 2012 From: alb348 at gmail.com (alb348 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:15:02 +0100 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) Message-ID: <4F270856.5060702@gmail.com> Brad Rogers (brad at fineby.me.uk) wrote: >You keep on about webmail. So why not use it? All you need is (fx: drum roll) a web browser. After all, that's the tool that web mail was designed for. Claws is a mail user agent, MUA for short. It patently *isn't* a web browser. -- Ok. I have already explained this in my reply to Andreas. But I will complete the answer. What I want is simply to bypass the privacy violation inherent in the SMTP protocol. Ideally, I want to use Claws Mail for my emails, not webmail. I don't want to be using a browser, at all. Using the webmail would only be a workaround to be used for sending emails more securely. For all the rest, I would use Claws Mail as normal. If the procedure that I sketched in my reply to Andreas is found to be feasible, and implemented, the whole problem will be solved: the user would still be using Claws Mail, 100% as usual, because the dirty work (via the webmail) would be done by Claws Mail in the background, so we don't even notice. From finkandreas at web.de Mon Jan 30 22:25:42 2012 From: finkandreas at web.de (Andreas Fink) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:25:42 +0100 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) In-Reply-To: <4F270856.5060702@gmail.com> References: <4F270856.5060702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120130222542.290046a4@jocker-laptop> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:15:02 +0100 alb348 at gmail.com wrote: > Brad Rogers (brad at fineby.me.uk) wrote: > > >You keep on about webmail. So why not use it? All you need is (fx: > drum roll) a web browser. After all, that's the tool that web mail was > designed for. Claws is a mail user agent, MUA for short. It patently > *isn't* a web browser. -- > > Ok. I have already explained this in my reply to Andreas. But I will > complete the answer. > What I want is simply to bypass the privacy violation inherent in the > SMTP protocol. You're saying over and over that it is a privacy violation by the SMTP protocol? Can you state any source, that the SMTP protocol forces the MTA to put the Sender's IP into the sent email? What you are describing is just a workaround for GMail, not more not less. We're not talking about something generic (since even sending over a webinterface the MTA would be able to put your IP address into the sent email). Google is just nice enough not to put your IP address into the sent E-Mail when you're sending it over the web interface. That's what they do right now. That may change any day. It's not my decision nor is it yours. It's up to google to decide which headers will be put into the sent email. Again, if you're afraid of being tracked by your IP use Tor or a proxy or whatever else will hide your IP address in the first place. Relying on a non-documented feature that gmail is not putting your ip address into the sent mail if sent over the webinterface but will put it there if sent via smtp is just not smart and doomed for failing in the future (probably one day after the feature would have been implemented :P) Cheers Andreas From alb348 at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 22:34:03 2012 From: alb348 at gmail.com (alb348 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:34:03 +0100 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) Message-ID: <4F270CCB.5070409@gmail.com> *Andreas Fink* (finkandreas at web.de) wrote: >Sorry for this: You're talking about privacy problems and are using a gmail >account at the same time? Kind of contradictory for me ;) LOL. Yes, seriously, if I were hard pressed to choose, I would rather have Google know all about me than letting the contacts in my addressbook read my current IP address. Google, and all other servers, will know everything about you anyway, but have no special interest in you as an individual. You are just a statistics, one in hundreds of millions. By contrast, I see it as much more threatening that my employer or other people I know can so easily read my current IP address in all my emails, for the reasons I hinted to earlier. Which one would you rather choose? >To summarize your request (and also for me, if I understood you right): Basically all you want is not using the SMTP protocol but, somehow sending the email via the web interface... This sounds like you do not even want to see the web interface, you just care about hiding your IP address. That's exactly right. Not wanting to see the web interface is just for making things smoother, seamless for the user. But that is no problem in itself. >Just use Tor, if you really care that much about being tracked by your IP address. What you suggest is a hacked solution, as any change in the web-interface basically renders the plugin into a broken state, as this is not a public API... I'm not a developer of claws-mail, but I'm programming from time to time, and I know that I would never ever implement something like your request, as it is damned for being broken 90% of the time. It's like changing the source code every second/third day (at least if you support more than just gmail) You have got a point there. I'll have to consider the Tor solution, if none of you guys picks up my proposal. However, the Webmail Notifier add-on in Thunderbird does work, and when the web interface changes, it is duly updated (yes, I know, it's a pain in the neck for the maintainer, but...). "90% of the time" is a bit of an exaggeration, though, because Thunderbird's add-on (which already implements part of what I proposed) works fine most of the time. From alb348 at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 22:47:17 2012 From: alb348 at gmail.com (alb348 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:47:17 +0100 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) Message-ID: <4F270FE5.5000205@gmail.com> >You're saying over and over that it is a privacy violation by the SMTP protocol? Can you state any source, that the SMTP protocol forces the MTA to put the Sender's IP into the sent email? I did read it somewhere. Give me some time. I will try to find it. >What you are describing is just a workaround for GMail, not more not less. We're not talking about something generic (since even sending over a webinterface the MTA would be able to put your IP address into the sent email). Google is just nice enough not to put your IP address into the sent E-Mail when you're sending it over the web interface. That's what they do right now. That may change any day. It's not my decision nor is it yours. It's up to google to decide which headers will be put into the sent email. Basically, what you are saying is that coding this workaround is not worth the trouble just because Google may change the things at any time. Of course it can. Of course there are no guarantees that it will work forever. I can't argue with that. I just though that it would be nice to have this workaround available now, as long as it works, given its great usefulness. From sylpheed at 911networks.com Mon Jan 30 22:49:29 2012 From: sylpheed at 911networks.com (sylpheed at 911networks.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:49:29 -0800 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) In-Reply-To: <4F270CCB.5070409@gmail.com> References: <4F270CCB.5070409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120130134929.080584bc@from-theboss.911networks.com> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:34:03 +0100 alb348 at gmail.com wrote: >*Andreas Fink* (finkandreas at web.de) wrote: > > > >Sorry for this: You're talking about privacy problems and are > >using a gmail account at the same time? Kind of contradictory for > >me ;) > >LOL. Reality check or clarifications please: * I've checked a few headers and I don't see CM putting the IP address out? * Are you talking MTA or MUA? * The headers IPs are mail server to mail server. Are we talking Google? * What about using Google are an outgoing mail server? I have have that set at a customer. What am I missing? -- Thanks http://www.911networks.com When the network has to work From linux at slavino.sk Mon Jan 30 22:51:16 2012 From: linux at slavino.sk (Slavko) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:51:16 +0100 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) In-Reply-To: <4F270856.5060702@gmail.com> References: <4F270856.5060702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120130225116.0eb34b26@bonifac.skk> Ahoj, Dňa Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:15:02 +0100 alb348 at gmail.com napísal: > What I want is simply to bypass the privacy violation inherent in the > SMTP protocol. ...and move it to HTTP protocol and web server's log? I don't understand what is the advantage of this "privacy". It has nothing with privacy, while your IP is still logged, only your employer (and others) cannot see it in simple way, but they still can to see it. And, some people are able to send these "privacy" mails via employer's webmail :-D Identifying the self (as sender) is not privacy violation, but respectability, identifing the sender's position is not a privacy violation too, but a lot of years used system. It is obvious system in standard mail too, in the postmark, where is a sender's post city information. If you don't want to recipient can know the city of send, simply go to another city and post it from there (tunnel, as wrote someone else). If you want to protect your geo position, use anonymous mail services, or simply - don't send a email (nor mail) from there, or use postal pigeon ;-) As i wrote at start, the privacy of the webmail is not true privacy. True privacy can provide only your own service (but here is knowledge required to start and manage it). If someone other has some information about you (the webmail provider), these will never be secure at all. regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: not available URL: From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Mon Jan 30 22:51:55 2012 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:51:55 -0700 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) In-Reply-To: <4F270414.3000107@gmail.com> References: <4F270414.3000107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120130145155.012f499d@yendi> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:56:52 +0100 alb348 at gmail.com wrote: > Naturally, this requires hard coding work. But I don't see why it > should not be feasible. I'm not sure it is feasible. I'm sure a reasonably competent programmer, given a suitable library, can manipulate the major webmail vendors' web pages to perform this job. One gotcha comes in when the webmail vendors change their web pages. For some period of time, the interface will be broken, which will inconvenience users. Inconvenienced users tend to scream loudly, and tend to want the problem fixed yesterday. Are you volunteering to solve that problem every time it occurs? There is also a related distribution problem. Very few developers are in a position to roll out a new version of their code and then get distributors (Debian, Red Hat, etc.) to immediately roll the new version out to their users. This is open source software. Feel free to write it and contribute it back to the code base. I trust you will also volunteer to maintain the code, especially when the webmail vendors change their web page code. -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB From pf at pfortin.com Mon Jan 30 23:10:22 2012 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:10:22 -0500 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) In-Reply-To: <4F270856.5060702@gmail.com> References: <4F270856.5060702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120130171022.71ebe95b@pfortin.com> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:15:02 +0100 alb348 at gmail.com wrote: >Ideally, I want to use Claws Mail for my emails, not webmail. I don't >want to be using a browser, at all. Here's are some solutions I've been using for years... they keep your IP address at the same location at all times. No matter where you are -- it appears you are always at your expected location (wherever that is). You can use this solution at the same location (same box or connected over ssh) or remotely via ssh... Option 1: Linux hosting CM - with Linux client: - ssh to host (locally or remotely) with X-forwarding - start CM on host and the CM display appears on Linux client while CM itself is running on Linux host - with Windows client: - putty to host (Connection->SSH->X11[Enable X11 forwarding]) - start CM on host and the CM display appears on Windows client while CM itself is running on Linux host Option 2: Windows hosting CM - use RealVNC, UltraVNC, TeamViewer, GotoMyPC, etc. and share the screen. It's that easy and only your well-known IP ever appears in your mails. Pierre From berndth at gmx.de Mon Jan 30 23:16:40 2012 From: berndth at gmx.de (Holger Berndt) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:16:40 +0100 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) In-Reply-To: <4F270414.3000107@gmail.com> References: <4F270414.3000107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0610feeb-ad9c-4a49-a19c-37ba4fce6a8c@email.android.com> alb348 at gmail.com schrieb: >Naturally, this requires hard coding work. But I don't see why it >should >not be feasible. It doesn't seem feasible to me to pile up stacks of heuristics, spend days of coding, for little gain. As said before, this isn't a privacy feature. It currently has this behaviour as side effect for a few providers, and even they may change their behaviour any minute. Without the end user knowing. And a misleading sense of privacy is no enhancement, but the opposite. Holger From alb348 at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 23:15:04 2012 From: alb348 at gmail.com (alb348 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:15:04 +0100 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) Message-ID: <4F271668.2040901@gmail.com> >> You're saying over and over that it is a privacy violation by the SMTP >> protocol? Can you state any source, that the SMTP protocol forces the >> MTA to put the Sender's IP into the sent email? > I did read it somewhere. Give me some time. I will try to find it. I did my research. The sender's IP address *is* required by the SMTP protocol. The relevant header, which can't be omitted, is "Received:". Even if the email is routed through various servers, all the steps must be documented, so all the IP addresses through which the email passes will be cumulatively recorded in the email's headers, including the originator's IP, of course. See https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2821.txt (section 3.8.2). Failing to comply with this requirement (if you are a server) will probably cause your email to fail and to be rejected accepted by other servers. So, coming back to the main issue, this strict requirement (which was probably stipulated to combat spam) does have the undeniable side-effect of undermining a person's privacy. I see no two ways of looking at it. Please, correct me if I am wrong. From alb348 at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 23:27:22 2012 From: alb348 at gmail.com (alb348 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:27:22 +0100 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) Message-ID: <4F27194A.4000604@gmail.com> *sylpheed at 911networks.com* wrote: >Reality check or clarifications please: >* I've checked a few headers and I don't see CM putting the IP > address out? >* Are you talking MTA or MUA? >* The headers IPs are mail server to mail server. >Are we talking Google? >* What about using Google are an outgoing mail server? I have have > that set at a customer. >What am I missing? *Sylpheed, f*or some reason, I don't get the emails of this mailing list delivered to my address (probably I disabled the delivery some time ago, setting the vacation option), so I can't read your headers. Please, send me an email directly to alb348 at gmail.com, and I will tell you where you are geograghically located. This will be the reality check that you requested. ;) From pf at pfortin.com Mon Jan 30 23:31:57 2012 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:31:57 -0500 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) In-Reply-To: <20120130171022.71ebe95b@pfortin.com> References: <4F270856.5060702@gmail.com> <20120130171022.71ebe95b@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20120130173157.738cd9a6@pfortin.com> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:10:22 -0500 Pierre Fortin wrote: >On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:15:02 +0100 alb348 at gmail.com wrote: > >>Ideally, I want to use Claws Mail for my emails, not webmail. I don't >>want to be using a browser, at all. > >Here's are some solutions I've been using for years... they keep your IP >address at the same location at all times. No matter where you are -- it >appears you are always at your expected location (wherever that is). > >You can use this solution at the same location (same box or connected >over ssh) or remotely via ssh... > >Option 1: Linux hosting CM >- with Linux client: > - ssh to host (locally or remotely) with X-forwarding > - start CM on host and the CM display appears on Linux client while CM > itself is running on Linux host >- with Windows client: > - putty to host (Connection->SSH->X11[Enable X11 forwarding]) > - start CM on host and the CM display appears on Windows client while > CM itself is running on Linux host OOOOPS... forgot to mention you need to install Xming on Windows client to use this... > >Option 2: Windows hosting CM >- use RealVNC, UltraVNC, TeamViewer, GotoMyPC, etc. and share the screen. > >It's that easy and only your well-known IP ever appears in your mails. > >Pierre >_______________________________________________ >Users mailing list >Users at lists.claws-mail.org >http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > From rikona at sonic.net Tue Jan 31 05:51:59 2012 From: rikona at sonic.net (rikona) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:51:59 -0800 Subject: [Users] Privacy issue (was Webmail support in Claws Mail ) In-Reply-To: <4F270CCB.5070409@gmail.com> References: <4F270CCB.5070409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <703770970.20120130205159@sonic.net> Hello Alb348, Monday, January 30, 2012, 1:34:03 PM, Alb348 wrote: > Yes, seriously, if I were hard pressed to choose, I would rather have > Google know all about me than letting the contacts in my addressbook > read my current IP address. That is certainly not privacy... > I see it as much more threatening that my employer or other people I > know can so easily read my current IP address in all my emails, for > the reasons I hinted to earlier. > Which one would you rather choose? Certainly not Google. :-) If the IP is the only issue I'd send it via one or more of the various proxies I use. I have a variety of locations to choose from, and could use one or more of them enough times so that there would not be an 'anomaly' if I used it while I was at a desert training camp. :-). Cost is $0 to $a few/mo, and most are easy to set up. MUCH more private/secure than Google, for a variety of reasons. rikona From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 31 07:30:28 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:30:28 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2563] Claws Mail crashes when trying to view some mails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120131063028.81B1D855CB@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2563 --- Comment #11 from Dmitry Svyatogorov 2012-01-31 07:30:27 --- Now, another irregular crash orrures while I navigate through the preview list (generally, crashes just on plain-text mails). The up-to-date OpenSuse 12.1 is still on my PC (oh,no! the fixed kernel is at last released). Claws Mail version 3.7.10 GTK+ version 2.24.7 / GLib 2.30.1 Locale: ru_RU.UTF-8 (charset: UTF-8) Features: IPv6 iconv compface GnuTLS LDAP JPilot GNU/aspell libetpan libSM Operating system: Linux 3.1.0-1.2-desktop (x86_64) C Library: GNU libc 2.14.1 -- [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 0x7ff938f91700 (LWP 6308)] [New Thread 0x7ff939792700 (LWP 6307)] [New Thread 0x7ff9421ab700 (LWP 1733)] 0x00007ff954a9c8bd in waitpid () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 #0 0x00007ff954a9c8bd in waitpid () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 No symbol table info available. #1 0x000000000049f18b in ?? () No symbol table info available. #2 No symbol table info available. #3 0x000000000060c5bd in gtk_cmctree_node_get_row_data () No symbol table info available. #4 0x0000000000598597 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #5 0x00000000005a1127 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #6 0x00000000005a1323 in ?? () No symbol table info available. #7 0x00007ff953b31d6b in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #8 0x00007ff953b3058d in g_main_context_dispatch () from /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #9 0x00007ff953b30d88 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #10 0x00007ff953b312c2 in g_main_loop_run () from /usr/lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #11 0x00007ff95654eec7 in gtk_main () from /usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 No symbol table info available. #12 0x000000000044cfc9 in main () No symbol table info available. The mail where Claws has been crashed this time was (plain-ASCII): ========================================== Return-path: Received: from [91.142.80.6] (helo=sm1.miran.ru) by post.miran.ru with esmtps (envelope-from ) id 1Rs3DP-00083k-GJ for adm at miran.ru; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 06:12:59 +0400 Received: from bill.miran.ru ([91.142.80.22] helo=nob.apc.miran.ru) by sm1.miran.ru with smtp (envelope-from ) id 1Rs3DO-0003WL-UK for adm at miran.ru; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 06:12:59 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:12:52 GMT To: adm at miran.ru From: nob.apc at miran.ru Cc: Subject: UPS: Started a self-test. X-Mailer: Email Server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-CLAM: passed Message-ID: <1Rs3DP-00083k-GJ at post.miran.ru> Name : Smart-UPS 2200 Location : NOBEL Contact : MIRAN http://nob.apc.miran.ru http://172.20.0.16 Serial #: BA0902029648 Device Ser #: JS0520005128 Date: 01/31/2012 Time: 05:12:48 Code: 0x0137 Informational - UPS: Started a self-test. ========================================== -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From hannes at yllr.net Tue Jan 31 08:20:49 2012 From: hannes at yllr.net (Hannes =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sch=FCller?=) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:20:49 +0100 Subject: [Users] Webmail support in Claws Mail In-Reply-To: <4F267A97.4050603@gmail.com> References: <4F267A97.4050603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120131082049.678b95ac@yllr.net> To say something constructive, since you seem to be very keen on this (as many people have pointed out) bad idea: Can't you just use an action to achieve this? The actions feature lets you pass the message body you typed to an arbitrary script, so using some shell/Perl/Python/whatever magic and with the support of a tool like wget or curl for the HTTP communication, you should be good to go. The only stumbling block might be the authentication credentials, but if you've got these saved, you can easily extract them from the obfuscated format as well. Hannes From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 31 10:12:50 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:12:50 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2593] New: Vertical lines in message list Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2593 Summary: Vertical lines in message list Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.8.0 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P3 Component: UI/Message List AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: bz at upir.cz With the 3.8.0 version, enable_dotted_lines feature has been removed. This makes following long wide-branched threads where one is interested in a subset of the thread only (like Linux kernel development lists) more difficult. Could something like this be reintroduced? Not necessarily in the previous form but some visual connection between mails on the same level (especially when they have large subthreads, so the consecutive mails on the same level may be a screen or two off each other) would be much appreciated. (Setting severity to normal, as it is a usability regression in my use case.) -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From alb348 at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 10:26:49 2012 From: alb348 at gmail.com (alb348 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:26:49 +0100 Subject: [Users] Webmail support in Claws Mail In-Reply-To: <20120131082049.678b95ac@yllr.net> References: <4F267A97.4050603@gmail.com> <20120131082049.678b95ac@yllr.net> Message-ID: <4F27B3D9.1060702@gmail.com> On 2012-01-31 08:20, Hannes Schüller wrote: > To say something constructive, since you seem to be very keen on this > (as many people have pointed out) bad idea: > > Can't you just use an action to achieve this? The actions feature lets > you pass the message body you typed to an arbitrary script, so using > some shell/Perl/Python/whatever magic and with the support of a tool > like wget or curl for the HTTP communication, you should be good to go. > > The only stumbling block might be the authentication credentials, but > if you've got these saved, you can easily extract them from the > obfuscated format as well. > > Hannes > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users at lists.claws-mail.org > http://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users > I am sorry. I was not able to understand what you mean in your email. From alb348 at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 10:23:19 2012 From: alb348 at gmail.com (alb348 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:23:19 +0100 Subject: [Users] CM "Privacy Issue" discussion - Where am I? In-Reply-To: <20120131074702.44edaae1@leda.vpn.lugor.de> References: <20120131074702.44edaae1@leda.vpn.lugor.de> Message-ID: <4F27B307.30102@gmail.com> On 2012-01-31 07:47, Christian Hesse wrote: > Ok, here is an email, sent from Claws Mail as usual via SMTP. > Where am I? Ok, smarty, it's not clear what point you are trying to prove. Your email seems to originate from a VPN whose IP is unknown: leda.vpn.lugor.de (unknown [10.5.1.215]) so it can't be geographically pinpointed. Noted. Now, my question is: do common computer users employ advanced security tecniques (as you did) in order to ensure their privacy? They would not even be aware of the threats, let alone knowing how to deal with them . If your point was to prove that you can, in some special cases, use the SMTP protocol without disclosing your location, then yes, you can. But how would this benefit the low-tech masses? If we move to the terrain of advanced IT techniques, the discussion acquires a totally different nature. Sure, there are lots of ways to avoid having your location identified. You can use a secure tunnel, as has already been suggested. You can spoof your headers. You can hack into someone else's computer and send emails from there. You can use anonymous proxies/remailers. And so on, and on. But how many computer users do even know about the existence of these techniques? Only advanced computer users do. The gist of my previous emails was simple enough, but I will restate it more explicitly: considering that the *average* computer user, oblivious to most privacy threats and having a limited IT expertise, will simply copy and paste into his email client (Claws Mail or any other client) the address of the SMTP server provided by his ISP or by his email provider (Google, Yahoo, Hotmail, etc), it would be desirable to implement a workaround (which happens to be webmail-based) that would overcome that privacy violation. As already noted in previous emails, this would only be feasible with *some* webmail services, not with all. It would work with Google, for one. And, yes, it would require hard work coding and maintaining the workaround (updates will be required). If the criticism is "it's not worth the trouble, because of the difficulties involved", then I quit advocating this solution (hey, it was just a proposal), especially after the dismissive replies that I received so far. I just wanted to make clear that: 1. the privacy violation is real and, for most (average) users, unavoidable (with potentially serious consequences) 2. it would certainly be possible to implement a workaround (as demonstrated by the fact that a Thunderbird add-on already exists) Now I can rest my case. From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 31 11:15:30 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:15:30 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2594] New: claws-mail crashes Message-ID: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2594 Summary: claws-mail crashes Product: Claws Mail Version: 3.7.8 Platform: PC OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: major Priority: P3 Component: Other AssignedTo: users at lists.claws-mail.org ReportedBy: pierrick.pons at orange.com Hello, After several crashes of Claws-mail, I've launched "claws-mail --debug" to see what the problem should be. My system is Ubuntu Natty. Maybe you should have an idea ? Thanks a lot. Here is te debug log : ** (claws-mail:2205): WARNING **: no node vcal_folder.c:759:dumping recurring events from main event 040000008200E00074C5B7101A82E00800000000E0CA1DCA3D93CC010000000000000000100000000AB92630C30F444AAB2B1CE0AFB46CE7 vcal_folder.c:773:next time is not null vcal_folder.c:781:adding with start/end 20111115T140000:20111115T153000 vcal_folder.c:801:next time is not null vcal_folder.c:781:adding with start/end 20111122T140000:20111122T153000 vcal_folder.c:801:next time is not null vcal_folder.c:781:adding with start/end 20111129T140000:20111129T153000 vcal_folder.c:801:next time is not null vcal_folder.c:781:adding with start/end 20111206T140000:20111206T153000 vcal_folder.c:801:next time is not null vcal_folder.c:781:adding with start/end 20111213T140000:20111213T153000 vcal_folder.c:801:next time is not null vcal_folder.c:781:adding with start/end 20111220T140000:20111220T153000 vcal_folder.c:801:next time is not null vcal_folder.c:781:adding with start/end 20111227T140000:20111227T153000 vcal_folder.c:801:next time is not null vcal_folder.c:781:adding with start/end 20120103T140000:20120103T153000 vcal_folder.c:801:next time is not null vcal_folder.c:781:adding with start/end 20120110T140000:20120110T153000 vcal_folder.c:801:next time is null *** longjmp causes uninitialized stack frame ***: claws-mail terminated ======= Backtrace: ========= /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x50)[0xb6da4df0] /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(+0xe5d5a)[0xb6da4d5a] /usr/lib/libcurl-gnutls.so.4(+0x8b38)[0xb6710b38] [0xb77bf400] /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_poll+0x2b)[0xb701184b] /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0(+0x411af)[0xb70011af] /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_main_loop_run+0x17b)[0xb700192b] /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_main+0xb9)[0xb74c5c39] claws-mail(main+0x233d)[0x813e7fd] /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe7)[0xb6cd5e37] claws-mail[0x807d761] ======= Memory map: ======== 08048000-0835c000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 523536 /usr/bin/claws-mail 0835c000-0835e000 r--p 00313000 08:06 523536 /usr/bin/claws-mail 0835e000-08385000 rw-p 00315000 08:06 523536 /usr/bin/claws-mail 08385000-08399000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 08b11000-11404000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 [heap] af921000-af922000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 af922000-b0122000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 b0122000-b0123000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 b0123000-b0923000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 b129c000-b1337000 r--p 00000000 08:06 265173 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf b1337000-b1338000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 b1338000-b1b38000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 b1b38000-b1b49000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 139360 /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgioremote-volume-monitor.so b1b49000-b1b4a000 r--p 00010000 08:06 139360 /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgioremote-volume-monitor.so b1b4a000-b1b4b000 rw-p 00011000 08:06 139360 /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgioremote-volume-monitor.so b1b57000-b1be6000 r--p 00000000 08:06 265175 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf b1be6000-b1bec000 r--p 00000000 08:06 396648 /usr/share/locale-langpack/fr/LC_MESSAGES/libgnutls.mo b1bed000-b1bf5000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 b1c45000-b1c49000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 787964 /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so b1c49000-b1c4a000 r--p 00003000 08:06 787964 /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so b1c4a000-b1c4b000 rw-p 00004000 08:06 787964 /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so b1c99000-b1cec000 r--p 00000000 08:06 524747 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ubuntu-font-family/Ubuntu-B.ttf b1cec000-b1d4c000 r--p 00000000 08:06 524735 /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ubuntu-font-family/Ubuntu-RI.ttf b1d4c000-b1d6a000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 404105 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libjpeg.so.62.0.0 b1d6a000-b1d6b000 r--p 0001d000 08:06 404105 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libjpeg.so.62.0.0 b1d6b000-b1d6c000 rw-p 0001e000 08:06 404105 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libjpeg.so.62.0.0 b1d6c000-b1d9d000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 131259 /usr/lib/libcroco-0.6.so.3.0.1 b1d9d000-b1d9e000 r--p 00030000 08:06 131259 /usr/lib/libcroco-0.6.so.3.0.1 b1d9e000-b1da0000 rw-p 00031000 08:06 131259 /usr/lib/libcroco-0.6.so.3.0.1 b1da0000-b1dcf000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 131757 /usr/lib/librsvg-2.so.2.32.1 b1dcf000-b1dd0000 r--p 0002e000 08:06 131757 /usr/lib/librsvg-2.so.2.32.1 b1dd0000-b1dd1000 rw-p 0002f000 08:06 131757 /usr/lib/librsvg-2.so.2.32.1 b1de5000-b1dff000 r--s 00000000 08:06 263879 /usr/share/mime/mime.cache b1dff000-b1e0a000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 137741 /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libudev.so.0.11.1 b1e0a000-b1e0b000 r--p 0000a000 08:01 137741 /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libudev.so.0.11.1 b1e0b000-b1e0c000 rw-p 0000b000 08:01 137741 /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libudev.so.0.11.1 b1e0c000-b1e1f000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 132202 /usr/lib/libgvfscommon.so.0.0.0 b1e1f000-b1e20000 r--p 00012000 08:06 132202 /usr/lib/libgvfscommon.so.0.0.0 b1e20000-b1e21000 rw-p 00013000 08:06 132202 /usr/lib/libgvfscommon.so.0.0.0 b1e24000-b1e28000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 787962 /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-jpeg.so b1e28000-b1e29000 r--p 00003000 08:06 787962 /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-jpeg.so b1e29000-b1e2a000 rw-p 00004000 08:06 787962 /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-jpeg.so b1e2b000-b1e30000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 787958 /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-gif.so b1e30000-b1e31000 r--p 00004000 08:06 787958 /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-gif.so b1e31000-b1e32000 rw-p 00005000 08:06 787958 /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-gif.so b1e32000-b1e33000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 785771 /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-svg.so b1e33000-b1e34000 r--p 00000000 08:06 785771 /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-svg.so b1e34000-b1e35000 rw-p 00001000 08:06 785771 /usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-svg.so b1e35000-b1e58000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 139364 /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgvfsdbus.so b1e58000-b1e59000 r--p 00023000 08:06 139364 /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgvfsdbus.so b1e59000-b1e5a000 rw-p 00024000 08:06 139364 /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgvfsdbus.so b1e5a000-b243d000 r--p 00000000 08:06 262811 /usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache b243d000-b46e7000 r--p 00000000 08:06 265669 /usr/share/icons/gnome/icon-theme.cache b46e7000-b47d1000 r--p 00000000 08:06 280689 /usr/share/icons/Humanity/icon-theme.cache b47d1000-b47dc000 r--p 00000000 08:06 264548 /usr/share/icons/Humanity-Dark/icon-theme.cache b47dc000-b48ff000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 131769 /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2.7.8 b48ff000-b4903000 r--p 00123000 08:06 131769 /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2.7.8 b4903000-b4904000 rw-p 00127000 08:06 131769 /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2.7.8 b4904000-b4905000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0 b4905000-b4907000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 135157 /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libutil-2.13.so b4907000-b4908000 r--p 00001000 08:01 135157 /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libutil-2.13.so b4908000-b4909000 rw-p 00002000 08:01 135157 /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libutil-2.13.so b4909000-b4914000 r--p 00000000 08:06 264547 /usr/share/icons/ubuntu-mono-dark/icon-theme.cache b4918000-b4919000 r--p 00000000 08:06 394938 /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/gtkhtml2_viewer.mo b4919000-b4970000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 394948 /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/gtkhtml2_viewer.so b4970000-b4972000 r--p 00056000 08:06 394948 /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/gtkhtml2_viewer.so b4972000-b4974000 rw-p 00058000 08:06 394948 /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/gtkhtml2_viewer.so b4974000-b4979000 r--p 00000000 08:06 394870 /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/vcalendar.mo b4979000-b49ee000 r-xp 00000000 08:06 394890 /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/vcalendar.so b49ee000-b49ef000 r--p 00075000 08:06 394890 /usr/lib/claws-mail/plugins/vcalendar.soAbandon -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From reinhard.irmer at kabelmail.de Tue Jan 31 11:29:09 2012 From: reinhard.irmer at kabelmail.de (Reinhard Irmer) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:29:09 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Q] list 4 winport Message-ID: <004201cce003$2b8e94f0$82abbed0$@irmer@kabelmail.de> Hi, is this list the right one to discuss requests of the win32-port of Claws-Mail? -- regards Reinhard --- ein Ritter vom Nie [Monty Python] --- From pf at pfortin.com Tue Jan 31 16:10:18 2012 From: pf at pfortin.com (Pierre Fortin) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:10:18 -0500 Subject: [Users] Real privacy issues [was: Re: CM "Privacy Issue" discussion - Where am I?] In-Reply-To: <4F27B307.30102@gmail.com> References: <20120131074702.44edaae1@leda.vpn.lugor.de> <4F27B307.30102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120131101018.737e6828@pfortin.com> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:23:19 +0100 alb348 at gmail.com wrote: ['nuf of the IP-only issue... and I'm not trying to restart this thread; just read the following and be warned... BTW, my previous suggestion for reading your mail from a fixed location via ssh/putty also solves part of the following.] >They would not >even be aware of the threats, let alone knowing how to deal with them . Are you even aware that there are now workarounds being employed to record if/when you opened an email *without* resorting to Receipts? For some time now, I've been seeing emails requiring the recipient to view it in HTML mode which then triggers a response[1] to the sender -- so much for our privacy now... infusionsoft.com/infusionmail.com is notorious for this. [1] This can include: Time read Client used IP address used (up to local NAT router or proxy) Any other information that can be gathered through carefully crafted HTML code. Unless the email system is completely redesigned (good luck with that), we're subject to ever-eroding privacy... Pierre PS I have been avoiding this auto-receipt by taking CM offline before reading such a message... It's funny hearing back that they think I've not read their messages... LOL Of course, it's only a matter of time before they figure that out... From colin at colino.net Tue Jan 31 16:21:43 2012 From: colin at colino.net (Colin Leroy) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:21:43 +0100 Subject: [Users] [Q] list 4 winport In-Reply-To: <004201cce003$2b8e94f0$82abbed0$@irmer@kabelmail.de> References: <004201cce003$2b8e94f0$82abbed0$@irmer@kabelmail.de> Message-ID: <20120131162143.351ce1d2@colin> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:29:09 +0100, "Reinhard Irmer" wrote: Hi, > is this list the right one to discuss requests of the win32-port of > Claws-Mail? Yes :) -- Colin From andrej at kacian.sk Tue Jan 31 16:58:52 2012 From: andrej at kacian.sk (Andrej Kacian) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:58:52 +0100 Subject: [Users] Real privacy issues [was: Re: CM "Privacy Issue" discussion - Where am I?] In-Reply-To: <20120131101018.737e6828@pfortin.com> References: <20120131074702.44edaae1@leda.vpn.lugor.de> <4F27B307.30102@gmail.com> <20120131101018.737e6828@pfortin.com> Message-ID: <20120131165852.3659e05a@penny> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:10:18 -0500 Pierre Fortin wrote: > ['nuf of the IP-only issue... and I'm not trying to restart this thread; > just read the following and be warned... BTW, my previous suggestion for > reading your mail from a fixed location via ssh/putty also solves part of > the following.] Which thread exactly? This alb348 guy starts a new thread everytime he answers an e-mail. Frankly, it's getting annoying. -- Andrej Kacian From bdm at fenrir.org.uk Tue Jan 31 17:26:38 2012 From: bdm at fenrir.org.uk (Brian Morrison) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:26:38 +0000 Subject: [Users] Real privacy issues [was: Re: CM "Privacy Issue" discussion - Where am I?] In-Reply-To: <20120131165852.3659e05a@penny> References: <20120131074702.44edaae1@leda.vpn.lugor.de> <4F27B307.30102@gmail.com> <20120131101018.737e6828@pfortin.com> <20120131165852.3659e05a@penny> Message-ID: <20120131162638.701950f7@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:58:52 +0100 Andrej Kacian wrote: > Which thread exactly? This alb348 guy starts a new thread everytime he answers > an e-mail. Frankly, it's getting annoying. Agreed, it's almost as if he's using a mail reader that doesn't preserve the References: or In-Reply-To: headers, in fact maybe his preferred webmail client does just that. If you want things to work properly, use a proper MUA that does preserve threading. -- Brian Morrison "I am not young enough to know everything" Oscar Wilde From mir at miras.org Tue Jan 31 17:32:39 2012 From: mir at miras.org (Michael Rasmussen) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:32:39 +0100 Subject: [Users] Real privacy issues [was: Re: CM "Privacy Issue" discussion - Where am I?] In-Reply-To: <20120131162638.701950f7@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> References: <20120131074702.44edaae1@leda.vpn.lugor.de> <4F27B307.30102@gmail.com> <20120131101018.737e6828@pfortin.com> <20120131165852.3659e05a@penny> <20120131162638.701950f7@peterson.fenrir.org.uk> Message-ID: <20120131173239.52663b50@sleipner.datanom.net> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:26:38 +0000 Brian Morrison wrote: > > Agreed, it's almost as if he's using a mail reader that doesn't > preserve the References: or In-Reply-To: headers, in fact maybe his > preferred webmail client does just that. > His MUA: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 Whether the MUA is to blame or his preferred MTA is not clear. -- Hilsen/Regards Michael Rasmussen Get my public GnuPG keys: michael rasmussen cc http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD3C9A00E mir datanom net http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE501F51C mir miras org http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE3E80917 -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk Tue Jan 31 20:10:26 2012 From: noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk (noreply at thewildbeast.co.uk) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:10:26 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Users] [Bug 2594] claws-mail crashes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120131191026.A3EAA857E0@mx.colino.net> http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2594 Paul changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|major |normal --- Comment #1 from Paul 2012-01-31 20:10:26 --- try unloading the vcalendar plugin. does it still crash? -- Configure bugmail: http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug. From dan_arico at aricosystems.com Tue Jan 31 22:06:48 2012 From: dan_arico at aricosystems.com (Dan Arico) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:06:48 -0500 Subject: [Users] Test Message-ID: <20120131160648.047a119e.dan_arico@aricosystems.com> Just ignore this. -- One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them, One OS to bring them all, and in the Darkness bind them, In the land of Redmond, where the Sales Reps lie. From dan_arico at aricosystems.com Tue Jan 31 22:26:13 2012 From: dan_arico at aricosystems.com (Dan Arico) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:26:13 -0500 Subject: [Users] Moving Mail Message-ID: <20120131162613.67d166d3.dan_arico@aricosystems.com> I'm going to a conference soon where I'll need to use claws on my laptop, instead of the desktop machine I usually use. Can I simply copy my mail directory from one home directory to the other or is there a problem involved that I am unaware of? Dan Arico -- One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them, One OS to bring them all, and in the Darkness bind them, In the land of Redmond, where the Sales Reps lie. From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Tue Jan 31 22:29:26 2012 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:29:26 -0700 Subject: [Users] Test In-Reply-To: <20120131160648.047a119e.dan_arico@aricosystems.com> References: <20120131160648.047a119e.dan_arico@aricosystems.com> Message-ID: <20120131142926.507bf427@yendi> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:06:48 -0500 Dan Arico wrote: > Just ignore this. No, I refuse. -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB From info at troyvit.com Tue Jan 31 22:39:45 2012 From: info at troyvit.com (Troy Vitullo) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:39:45 -0700 Subject: [Users] Moving Mail In-Reply-To: <20120131162613.67d166d3.dan_arico@aricosystems.com> References: <20120131162613.67d166d3.dan_arico@aricosystems.com> Message-ID: <20120131143945.0ffa1ca7@hrafn> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:26:13 -0500 Dan Arico wrote: > I'm going to a conference soon where I'll need to use claws on my > laptop, instead of the desktop machine I usually use. Can I simply > copy my mail directory from one home directory to the other or is > there a problem involved that I am unaware of? > > Dan Arico Here's one thing to look out for ... it's what always gets me. When you copy your mail over preserve the modified time using the -p flag. It'll also preserve ownership so you might want to make sure the UID matches. A trip like you describe is what got me to finally make the jump to IMAP for my work email. I regret it sometimes (mainly because gmail sucks so bad) but it is easier keeping things synced. Troy From charlescurley at charlescurley.com Tue Jan 31 22:57:00 2012 From: charlescurley at charlescurley.com (Charles Curley) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:57:00 -0700 Subject: [Users] Moving Mail In-Reply-To: <20120131162613.67d166d3.dan_arico@aricosystems.com> References: <20120131162613.67d166d3.dan_arico@aricosystems.com> Message-ID: <20120131145700.0c5bb9da@yendi> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:26:13 -0500 Dan Arico wrote: > I'm going to a conference soon where I'll need to use claws on my > laptop, instead of the desktop machine I usually use. Can I simply > copy my mail directory from one home directory to the other or is > there a problem involved that I am unaware of? In addition, you can copy your setup, mail accounts, etc. by copying ~/.claws-mail. As Mr. Vitullo indicated, preserve times and ownerships. I do this routinely between my desktop and laptops with unison. The setup file for unison on the laptops is: root = /home/charles/.claws-mail root = ssh://charles at dzur//home/charles/.claws-mail times = true Similarly for ~/Mail. This is not the first time we have answered this question or a similar one. Is it becoming a FAQ? -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB